From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Fri May 1 08:45:14 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Dinner Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A41B3F05@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Tim Suddart, Just a word of thanks for making the group 44 dinner happen. I sat beside Fred Gambel for dinner and had the most interesting chat re group 44, British Leyland (Fred was the Competition Director), Good year tire Co, the Cobra Racing efforts, Camoradi racing, tracks and characters from around the world. Wow - it was like talking to history! A truly memorable occasion. Good luck with the GT6 this weekend Hope to see you on the track Bill Bartlett (from the Mitty) Lotus 7 on track GT6 still in the home shop :) PS: I am giving my wife the Trophy Bob Tullius auctioned last evening for her Birthday tomorrow - I am sure she is going to love it! Ha PPS: if you make the Group 44 presentation available on DVD or the net I would like to put my hand up for a copy. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 1 11:55:29 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:55:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Final update on gearbox woes and understanding spouses In-Reply-To: <8523AB0383C140359BFDC368B635A772@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <576F5977FA084E21A17EFD4A0FB39311@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Once again, thanks to all for your help. Got all the bits back and will install soon. Turns out that the driveshaft was slightly out of balance and one of the driveshaft flanges was bent slightly. Keeping our fingers crossed - next test is a regional/national on Mothers Day weekend. I thank god my wife races also and understands these things we've got to do. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering [mailto:norlinengineering at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:57 PM To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Gearbox woes Thanks to all that responded. The driveshaft is at the specialists being gone through and rebalanced. I'm having a Spitfire housing bored out to accept the larger GT6 bearing. I'm also working on the design and fabrication of an external support bracket that will hopefully reduce some of the load on the casting. I am a bit concerned that I may be approaching a natural frequency on the driveshaft. The driveshaft specialist measured the length and diameter and said by his "rule of thumb" table, it should be good for 8500 rpm. However an engineer buddy of mine ran some numbers out and he thinks there may be a problem starting at around 7450 rpm. Even though I shift at 6800, I do hit close to 7500 in 4th gear when we run Portland without the chicane. What kind of maximum rpm are you Spitfire drivers taking the stock driveshaft to in 4th gear? Also, has anyone made up a custom shaft to help resolve this problem? Thanks Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of norlinengineering at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:30 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 1 20:08:22 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:08:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] A Kastner forum Message-ID: Hey Guys. I thought I'd spread an apparent secret to all of the Triumph faithful. DID you know that our guru Kas Kastner has a forum where he's endevouring to support the cause?? I have to suspect you don't cuz I NEVER see any of the FOT posting there. Has to be an oversight. So here's a link to bring the faithful to the source...http://kaskastnersforum.yuku.com/directory If the link doesn't work just do a Google for Kas Kastner Steve **************Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! 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I thought I'd spread an apparent secret to all of the Triumph faithful. DID you know that our guru Kas Kastner has a forum where he's endevouring to support the cause?? I have to suspect you don't cuz I NEVER see any of the FOT posting there. Has to be an oversight. So here's a link to bring the faithful to the source...http://kaskastnersforum.yuku.com/directory If the link doesn't work just do a Google for Kas Kastner Steve **************Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=htt p ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 2 17:31:11 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:31:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 5 12:18:21 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:18:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! Message-ID: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue May 5 11:14:39 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT denim shirts - 3 left from Watkins Glen Message-ID: <4A0073FF.3000103@bright.net> List, we have 3 unclaimed denim shirts left. These are XXL The proceeds from these last 3 are going to Mark Bradakis to help fund the team.net mailing list. These are a good quality, button down collar long sleeve denim shirt. If you know anyone who would be a candidate, please let me know. Shirt price is $35 ea plus postage. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From andre at gt6.ca Tue May 5 12:18:01 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> References: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Message-ID: <4362ae390905051118u749a238br1ed5fd7562baa576@mail.gmail.com> Nice... Very stable looking. A. 2009/5/2 : > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From KENMUN at aol.com Tue May 5 12:18:17 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:18:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires Message-ID: anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 wheels. thanks, ken m. **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) From Billb at bnj.com Tue May 5 12:44:45 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:44:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup, they're great. You need to dial a little camber in for them. They're sort of a half-way radial. 1.5 to 2 degrees works well. They also like a little more air than vintage TDs. On May 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote: > anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 > wheels. thanks, ken m. > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near > you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 5 14:17:29 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:17:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 5 14:23:28 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Message-ID: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 5 14:43:23 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:43:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: References: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <001e01c9cdc2$2584f5f0$708ee1d0$@com> COOL! The car got flames! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Munson Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:17 An: 'Mark J Bradakis'; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Arrgh! I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 5 15:49:18 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:49:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdc2$2584f5f0$708ee1d0$@com> Message-ID: Yeah, and I just came in from painting the wheels the same color as the roll cage. I will post some pictures as soon as the paint dries. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:43 PM To: 'Mike Munson'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: AW: [Fot] Arrgh! COOL! The car got flames! Chris Betreff: Re: [Fot] Arrgh! I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 5 14:54:34 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: Tim, You ask a very good question and I'd like to hear the responses. The websites list the 205 and 185 as the same diameter, with just the tread width difference. I have no problems at all with clearance but am I giving myself a little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? I run a TR4A IRS and the outsides of the tires have an easy life. I do get to flip them if I do it in time, but I am running on the inside half of the tire most of the time. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 5 15:39:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:39:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: <002301c9cdc9$f8f89110$eae9b330$@com> Hi, I use 205/60-15 on my 4. The fenders only have contact when I'm going through the Fuchsroehre at the Nurburging - a hard compression. But the tires have only light contact marks from this. I run -1.7 degree camber and thin 10mm spacers on the revolution wheels. On this photo you can see how the wheels are working at a corner: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/gallery/52/full/14723.jpg Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Kramer, Robert Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:55 An: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Tim, You ask a very good question and I'd like to hear the responses. The websites list the 205 and 185 as the same diameter, with just the tread width difference. I have no problems at all with clearance but am I giving myself a little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? I run a TR4A IRS and the outsides of the tires have an easy life. I do get to flip them if I do it in time, but I am running on the inside half of the tire most of the time. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Tue May 5 16:11:23 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A00B98B.5080803@pobox.com> Yes, we love them. KENMUN at aol.com wrote: > anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 > wheels. thanks, ken m. > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:19:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr Message-ID: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 5 16:21:34 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 2009, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Tim, [stuff deleted] > little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me > on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? The wider tire should allow you to get better turn-in and better corner speeds. That should translate to higher corner exit speeds and therefor higher speeds at the end of the straight. But then again, I'm not an engineer. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 16:22:05 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr In-Reply-To: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> References: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: <20090505222319.67F35187663@autox.team.net> Actually he is Jim Bauder of DCTRA (Desert Centre - Triumph Register of America). His newly restored TR250 is the default "theme" on our club's website. http://www.dctra.org :) At 03:19 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote: >thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH >EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend >Racer Bud >http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ >_______________________________________________ From john at race-dogs.com Tue May 5 16:29:20 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:29:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr References: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: <000301c9cdd0$ef1ce630$800101df@jawsxp> Nice Pics! What a weekend of great racing! We'll get them next year in the Challenge!! JW John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr > thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH > EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend > Racer Bud > http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=587CB27DF4.4381E From don at dcphotos.com Tue May 5 16:29:34 2009 From: don at dcphotos.com (Don Couch) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Message-ID: <848F759F-8D14-4CAB-B465-78D0F4B31CC5@dcphotos.com> Somebody posted one of my runs in my street Spitfire from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the fastest of the day in class. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx7ww7KcFxw From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:55:57 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 Message-ID: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> When the Speedsters first came out, I purchased a set of 185's for my TR4 #116. I noticed a decent improvement over the vintage TD's. I was concerned about hitting the fenders with 205's, but at Tony Garmey's suggestion, we went with a set of 205's and there have been no problems with clearance-front or back. Lap times did go down, but I cannot recall the magnitude of the drop. I did keep the 185's and borrowed Tony's grooving iron and converted the 185's to rain tires for the Pacific NW's climate. Have not had a chance to use them yet. My latest set of Speedster 205's are pretty well worn out (the speedsters do seem to wear quickly), so I ordered a set of Yokahama Advan 048's from Tire Rack. They did have 205/60 R 15's in stock. Will report after the SOVREN Spring Sprints, mid May,B on how the Yok's perform. John James #116 From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue May 5 17:07:14 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? Message-ID: The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly flat. If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also reground through the same source, do not rock when put to the same test. Can't us these because they were run with a different cam. Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue May 5 18:20:47 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr In-Reply-To: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: Great pictures thanks for posting them. Any idea who owns the Huffaker TR8 in the pictures, and should they be part of this list? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: May 5, 2009 6:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 5 18:58:28 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less troublesome to fit. If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that they have more grip... :) Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. - Tony At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with >spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on >some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like >they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have >more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct >rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. > > > >Tim & Ryan Murphy > >1961 TR4 #317 > > > >P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted >the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and >the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for >the Sport model. Very pleased. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 20:03:04 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:03:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? Message-ID: <20090506020357.916F0187645@autox.team.net> Mobile 1 has a new challenge to find out http://www.willyoubethe1.com/ From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 5 20:15:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:15:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? References: <20090506020357.916F0187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <21EA296C275D4ADB984BA9746907325D@Bud> Thanks David!..It is Fantastic...Young....Shootin' For the Stars Wonderful Stuff Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? > Mobile 1 has a new challenge to find out > > http://www.willyoubethe1.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 20:43:03 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Classified Ads on the site Message-ID: <20090506024408.A0315187644@autox.team.net> The following classifieds have been added to the DCTRA site... >TR-250 CC343LO Project Car 98% complete plus spares solid Az/CA car >Calif title Yellow (now primer)and Tan---72 spoke wires thousands of >dollars in new parts, rebuilt 0 hour engine, driveline, and >transmission (overdrive included not installed ) with a truck load >of spares, realistic offer would like to sell it in club-- Randy 602-377-8559 > >TR-5 Lucas Mechanical fuel injection complete with pump injectors >and hardware. 750.00 Randy 602-377-8559 > >TR3- Transmission condition unknown free to enthusiast 602-377-8559 > >68 GT6 engine complete all asscessories original from wreck >$100.00 Randy 602-377-8559 From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 6 00:12:39 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status Message-ID: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 6 01:05:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 In-Reply-To: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You will love the Yokos! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von jcjcarrera at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 00:56 An: fot at autoX.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 When the Speedsters first came out, I purchased a set of 185's for my TR4 #116. I noticed a decent improvement over the vintage TD's. I was concerned about hitting the fenders with 205's, but at Tony Garmey's suggestion, we went with a set of 205's and there have been no problems with clearance-front or back. Lap times did go down, but I cannot recall the magnitude of the drop. I did keep the 185's and borrowed Tony's grooving iron and converted the 185's to rain tires for the Pacific NW's climate. Have not had a chance to use them yet. My latest set of Speedster 205's are pretty well worn out (the speedsters do seem to wear quickly), so I ordered a set of Yokahama Advan 048's from Tire Rack. They did have 205/60 R 15's in stock. Will report after the SOVREN Spring Sprints, mid May,B on how the Yok's perform. John James #116 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 6 04:12:30 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 03:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status In-Reply-To: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> References: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <143443.18439.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think they spell Unix: Eunuchs ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 2:12:39 AM Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Wed May 6 07:51:31 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 6:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: <20090506095131.BIB38.2199542.root@mp16> > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 6:32:08 -0700 > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Group 44 and the Mitty > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys and great parts. > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more Group 44! > > All the best guys AND gals! > > Bobby Whitehead > CVAR GP2 / 53 Yellow / GT6+ From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 6 08:15:06 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: List Bobby Whitehead is right. This was an exceptional once in a lifetime experience. There was enormous support from the British Car Community and a lot of entertainment. My son, Mark, flew in from Minneapolis and we hung out with all of the best Triumph people. I also got a goodnight kiss from Susan, but under the watchful eye of Brad. Special thanks to Tim Suddard & Crew for all of the planning and execution. Additionally, en route, Mike Munson gave Steve Benford and I, a personal tour of the Corvette Assembly facilities and tickets to the newly redone Corvette Museum. We stayed through to the last race on Sunday... Now playing catchup and preparing for another trip starting May 15th.....F-1 at Monaco....another once in a lifetime experience made possible by the best of the Triumph community, from offshore. We also missed a few people we expected to see at The Mitty. Next time. Regards, Joe A > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung > out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and > Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys > and great parts. > > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake > for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands > of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. > Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and > I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a > TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda > been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from > Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the > Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius > at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members > at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. > Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last > place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, > I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from > Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been > 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. > Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more > Group 44! > > > > All the best guys AND gals! > > > > Bobby Whitehead From GRMTim at aol.com Wed May 6 09:28:19 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:28:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the fun begins all over again on April 3oth next year. We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our highest priority. We have it fixed now. I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will most likely drag it to Portland as well. In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep me busy for a few months. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221827510x1201399090/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) From billbab at gmail.com Wed May 6 10:04:10 2009 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441280C1-A4C9-445D-AB9F-A0945564F0DD@bnj.com> Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much work that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last time we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the All Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to break it to her. Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderful time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a great event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren't racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there's the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won't be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey this year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the fun > begins > all over again on April 3oth next year. > > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our > highest priority. We have it fixed now. > > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will most > likely drag > it to Portland as well. > > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep me > busy > for a few months. > > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From smockracer at charter.net Wed May 6 10:20:33 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Frank Daley has a new address DALEY1029 at roadrunner.com and would like tobe back on the FOT list. Thanks Paul Smock #190 From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 6 14:03:52 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> More tire, more grip, better acceleration, better cornering and even more important, BETTER BRAKING. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Tim Murphy" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters >I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance >isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and >while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel >offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that >the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less >troublesome to fit. > > If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that > they have more grip... :) > > Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. > > - Tony > > At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >>What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >>The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with >>spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on >>some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look >>like >>they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >>noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have >>more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct >>rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. >> >> >> >>Tim & Ryan Murphy >> >>1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> >>P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >>South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he >>mounted >>the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and >>the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for >>the Sport model. Very pleased. >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Wed May 6 14:35:49 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:35:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> Message-ID: <4362ae390905061335w52cb9bdfw4f921f21a1890231@mail.gmail.com> Don't you mean more BREAKING :) hehe. A. 2009/5/6 Kas Kastner : > More tire, more grip, better acceleration, better cornering and even more > important, BETTER BRAKING. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Tim Murphy" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters > > >> I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance >> isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and >> while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel >> offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that >> the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less >> troublesome to fit. >> >> If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that >> they have more grip... :) >> >> Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. >> >> - Tony >> >> At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >>> >>> What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >>> The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels >>> with >>> spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed >>> on >>> some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look >>> like >>> they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >>> noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may >>> have >>> more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the >>> correct >>> rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim & Ryan Murphy >>> >>> 1961 TR4 #317 >>> >>> >>> >>> P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >>> South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he >>> mounted >>> the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts >>> and >>> the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card >>> for >>> the Sport model. Very pleased. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 6 15:09:18 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A01FC7E.4080702@pobox.com> Oh, you may start something here. We've argued about this in the past (see for example thread - www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00206.html). What is dead flat? Most lifters have a very slight crown. Usually, 50 to 100 inch radius of curvature, which is about 0.001 to 0.002 in across the lifter. The reason for this is to insure that the lifter does not contact the side edge of the cam. e.g. due to misalignment or cock of the lifter in the bore. Some people might call this dead flat. Most camshaft lobes are also tapered. The reason for this is to promote rotation of the lifter. The lobe taper must be matched to the offset of the lifter bores relative to the cam lobes. Here is a picture of the usual arrangement - http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/LifterGeom.gif If your lobes are not tapered, you should be able to run flat lifters as long as your alignment is dead nuts (love that machinist lingo). I would run lifters with a slight crown. And now we should be hearing from Bill Babcock and Chris Marx. Larry Young Scott Janzen wrote: > The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, > tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly > flat. If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost > imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. > The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also > reground through the same source, do not rock when put to the same > test. Can't us these because they were run with a different cam. > Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently > reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be > dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 17:05:59 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: <20090506095131.BIB38.2199542.root@mp16> Message-ID: Bobby, Sorry I didn't get to meet you and Gary. I was right there hanging with the 6pack guys but I didn't let them influence me. (I was the one standing around with a bottle of water in his hand laughing at their antics). The Tribute and Toast we had to Uncle Jack was touching and fun. The single Malt was a little strong to me so I choked on it. Shaun Tarleton is the sticker guy in Atlanta. Do you need his contact info? I can make a call and get his number. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys and great parts. > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more Group 44! > > All the best guys AND gals! > > Bobby Whitehead > CVAR GP2 / 53 Yellow / GT6+ From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 17:24:40 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status In-Reply-To: <143443.18439.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They should be Eunuchs so they don't contribute to the gene pool. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:13 AM To: Mark J Bradakis; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Team.Net status I think they spell Unix: Eunuchs From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed May 6 17:06:00 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? References: <4A01FC7E.4080702@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2F9714AE4FED4470932AE8EEBDBC89AE@LatitudeD530> I think of it as Dead Nuts On or "DNO, Daddy-O" as some have been known to mutter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Scott Janzen" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? > Oh, you may start something here. We've argued about this in the past (see > for example thread - > www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00206.html). > > What is dead flat? Most lifters have a very slight crown. Usually, 50 to > 100 inch radius of curvature, which is about 0.001 to 0.002 in across the > lifter. The reason for this is to insure that the lifter does not contact > the side edge of the cam. e.g. due to misalignment or cock of the lifter > in the bore. Some people might call this dead flat. > > Most camshaft lobes are also tapered. The reason for this is to promote > rotation of the lifter. The lobe taper must be matched to the offset of > the lifter bores relative to the cam lobes. > > Here is a picture of the usual arrangement - > http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/LifterGeom.gif > > If your lobes are not tapered, you should be able to run flat lifters as > long as your alignment is dead nuts (love that machinist lingo). I would > run lifters with a slight crown. > > And now we should be hearing from Bill Babcock and Chris Marx. > > Larry Young > > > Scott Janzen wrote: >> The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, >> tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly flat. >> If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost >> imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. >> The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also reground >> through the same source, do not rock when put to the same test. Can't >> us these because they were run with a different cam. >> Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently >> reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be >> dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 6 17:10:20 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gingerman school and race last weekend Message-ID: <000c01c9ce9f$d46572b0$7d305810$@com> This was a VSCDA event. I did the school on Friday and the race weekend Saturday & Sunday with our TR4. Ryan crewed for me. We ran 12 sessions total, 6 on Friday, 4 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday including the 15 lap feature race. The car ran flawlessly. The only thing Ryan had to do, in addition to checking things over between sessions, was add about a = quart of oil and gas. We were the only Triumph there. I had a good school and by the 6th session, a short race for the students, I finally got the hang of it. I had some good racing with the AH Sprites. There were 2 Sprites in the school and 5 in our group for Saturday and Sunday. When my tires had good grip I could keep with the Sprites in the twisty part and get them on the straights. Had some really good racing with a 1972 BMW 2002 on Sunday. We passed and re-passed each other about 3 times. I think we upheld the honor of the Triumph Marque. I had a lot of trouble with turn 3; had 4 off there 3 times in the weekend. One time I got into the sand trap and stopped about 10 feet from the tire wall. Had to be towed out. Very grateful for the sand! And, its a lot easier to clean out of the car than the kitty litter. Cold and some rain on Friday for the school. We had rain and a wet track for our practice starts. Just about everybody either went off or spun. I kept it on the track with a couple of slides that I was able to catch and one small tank slapper that I caught. Good experience. Saturday and Sunday were great weather, sunny, cool and some breeze. All in all, a fantastic weekend. In Saturdays timed practice I was within a second of Ryans best time from last year so I figured I was in the ball park. In the race Sunday, my best time and Ryans best time at Gingerman were within 1/10th of each other, 1:51.5 or so. Were thinking thats about what the car can do with the shaved street tires (Yokohama AVS ES100 in 195/60R15) weve been running to get some seat time and do the schools. Were ready for some race tires now, hence the question about the Speedsters in an earlier post. Tim Murphy From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 19:52:48 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:52:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Shauns email and tel# Message-ID: Shawns contact info. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 _____ From: Ashford Little [mailto:70tr6 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: Shauns email and tel# Shawn Tarleton shawn74tr6 at hotmail.com 404-457-9022 You ma brothah by another motha Ashford Little 70tr6 at comcast.net On May 6, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Mike Munson wrote: Can ya help a brotha out? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 19:57:17 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:57:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: <20090506204552.XGI30.2239735.root@mp13> Message-ID: Yeah ... 6 cylinders on top fuel alcohol! Yeah ... the 6pack guys were hittin' on all 6 cylinders... Bobby ----> Shaun Tarleton is the sticker guy in Atlanta. Do you need his contact info? > I can make a call and get his number. > Mike > http://www.triumphowners.com/135 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed May 6 20:58:14 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Message-ID: <001101c9cebf$ae4b0fc0$6401a8c0@blake1> I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed May 6 21:28:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross References: <001101c9cebf$ae4b0fc0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu May 7 10:12:28 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Photo Message-ID: A good while ago, some FoTer posted a link to a photograph of a purple (I'm color-blind, so it might be blue) squaretail Spitfire #44 in the paddock at Summit Point. It was taken in the 70s. Two men are posing with it and I think one is Ferstenau (sp?). I don't remember where the photo was posted. Can anyone tell me: Where is this photo posted? Is this the same #44 purple Squaretail Spitfire that was at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point this past weekend? Any more info about this car. Curious, John H. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 7 10:51:34 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes Message-ID: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu May 7 11:59:21 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:59:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes Message-ID: I am running the TSI Kevlar shoes. They are glued & braded. Very pleased with them. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 7 14:26:30 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes In-Reply-To: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> References: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> Message-ID: I suppose I'm not a help, I run Lucas brake shoes. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tim Murphy Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Betreff: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Thu May 7 14:47:15 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:47:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: Thanks, we will see what happens for a west coast swing. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 5/6/09 12:04:33 PM, billbab at gmail.com writes: > Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much workB > that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last timeB > we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the AllB > Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to breakB > it to her. > > Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderfulB > time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a greatB > event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren'tB > racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there'sB > the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won'tB > be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. > > I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey thisB > year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. > > > On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the funB > > begins > > all over again on April 3oth next year. > > > > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our > > highest priority. We have it fixed now. > > > > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will mostB > > likely drag > > it to Portland as well. > > > > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep meB > > busy > > for a few months. > > > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > ************** Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu May 7 14:47:24 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes References: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> Message-ID: <030f01c9cf55$06fd1970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I have Teds kevlar rear lining on the TR6; they seem fine. I also went with 7/8 diameter rear cylinders for more rear braking. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes > What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace > the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or > Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. > > > > Tim & Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 7 15:13:35 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:13:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty References: Message-ID: <98C8F77AFA504FDFB110279791048AE5@Bud> Infineon would be a great venue..and would give people a chance to Enjoy our Sonoma/Napa wine country, as well as San Francisco. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty > Thanks, we will see what happens for a west coast swing. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > In a message dated 5/6/09 12:04:33 PM, billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much workB >> that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last timeB >> we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the AllB >> Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to breakB >> it to her. >> >> Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderfulB >> time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a greatB >> event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren'tB >> racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there'sB >> the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won'tB >> be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. >> >> I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey thisB >> year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. >> >> >> On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: >> >> > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the funB >> > begins >> > all over again on April 3oth next year. >> > >> > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our >> > highest priority. We have it fixed now. >> > >> > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will mostB >> > likely drag >> > it to Portland as well. >> > >> > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep meB >> > busy >> > for a few months. >> > >> > >> > Tim Suddard >> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports >> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines >> > www.classicmotorsports.net >> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com >> > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ************** > Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at > $449! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 7 20:37:52 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c9cf85$fd1b13e0$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks Bolb! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:29 PM To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 7 20:37:59 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c9cf86$005186c0$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks Bolb! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:29 PM To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Thu May 7 20:18:09 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kramers... you mean Kramer spawned? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090507221809.WDGZW.2299442.root@mp07> Bob ... the pleasure of you watching you son, even though it was only one day at TWS was delightlful! Watching you flutter around over YOUR car as you prepared your son to go the driving school in it ...... priceless! Only should reason that you should have a son that could naturally drive as good as his old man.... See ya'll at Eagles Canyon ???? Bobby Glenn Whitehead Jr GP2 CVAR #53 Yellow GT6+ From igofaster at charter.net Thu May 7 20:58:36 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Impressions of Group 44 and Bob Tullius In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090507225836.H7FJR.2301892.root@mp07> I felt compelled to write about my impressions of the Mitty this year in Atlanta. My friend Gary Fuqua suggested we go last year at one of the CVAR events. We shortly considered bringing our race cars, but the Mitty is a big event and we felt for first timers we should not be drivers, only spectators. That's not to say Fuqua didn't drive his 1979 MGB 1600 miles from Bransom to Atlanta and back. Only a minor stop at the airport so he could pick me up, pop the hood, re-attach the leads on the thermostat and Nascar Tape my suitcase to the luggage rack and drive 58 miles in Atlanta traffic to our Holiday Inn... sweeet... Thursday night, all the Group 44 cars were lined up by the event arena for the Grassroots 25th evening. We were to witness the story telling of Bob Tillius and his history from him and his dignitaries. Group 44, 40th Anniversary weekend. I was impassioned by Bob and his overall complacency he had with the cars. He raced them all and raced them well. To me, it seemed they were merely tools he used to get where he really wanted to be, flying. We as fellow enthusiasts adore and love our cars for the heritage these cars represent. We're emotionally involved with our cars because of the legacy of a driver and owner like Bob Tullius who was less in love with the cars, but more determined to use them as tools to get where he really wanted to be... flying. It is because of his determination and hard nosed work ethic, that he made these cars do what he wanted them to do. On several cases, particularly with the Group 44 GT6 which I was around for several hours, he commented , these weren't really good cars to race. They had their weaknesses, especially with on the tail of the XKE V12, the XKS, and the GTP car... THEY were vastly improved cars over the Triumphs. But, he made the Triumphs work for him, and that is what is truly special for us as enthusiasts. Bob Tullius created our passion for Triumphs way before most of us knew what Triumphs really were. Isn't that what is great though? If it weren't the likes of Tullius, and others obviously, making these cars do what they really weren't designed to do, and being successful at it... isn't that where some of our true love has come from for the Triumphs? Even though we may not have known it all along, it's a great story, and it only intensifies my love for the cars. Triumph .... seems kind of prophetical doesn't it? Bobby Whitehead CVAR Triumph GT6+ From igofaster at charter.net Fri May 8 11:08:13 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner and Triumph In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090508130813.YHU9S.2357224.root@mp16> My little late night essay was not in the spirit of taking any credit away from anybody. We as FoT guys and gals know the direct input Kas had with Triumph, as mentioned in my diatribe. I'm sure Kas however had a much kinder approach than Bob Tullius... Nobody ever said his was an ass to work for but the underlying tone was all of his crew had to tolerate him, as he was... ahem... determined to win. I, as a novice, didn't really know the history of Bob Tullius before we went to Atlanta last week. Kas, however, I've known of for 20 years, and his involvement with FoT is stellar. I believe Kas loves the cars if I were guessing... Tullius...not so much. We're going racing next weekend... Bob Kramer says we've got 5 Triumphs at Eagles Canyon.. I'm gonna have Barbra drive up her TR6 if Becca doesn't birth my first grandchild that weekend... that'll be SIX Triumphs in the paddock at Eagles Canyon. Be good to yourself, Bobby Whitehead From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri May 8 12:52:48 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:52:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Message-ID: From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 15:15:55 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VICTORY at the Jefferson 500! In-Reply-To: <989896773.7941191241817203357.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1421181467.7942341241817355890.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Fellow FoTrs, Triumph at Summit Point!B With excellent technical support and sage advice from fellow FOTrs Dr. John Herrera, Craig Wensley and Russ Moore, our 1963 Triumph Spitfire #393 won the LOLA CUP in the VRG Jefferson 500, sponsored byB Brian Redman, this past weekend at Summit Point, placing 1st overall inB Sunday's rain-soakedB feature!B B After a full day test session on the previous Thursday chasing chassis alignment, we went out for the first session of qualifying Friday, mounted the rains in anticipation ofB wet conditionsB only to find a quickly-drying track (where's the rain when you want it?)B so were quite happy in qualifying 3rd out of 37 on now-chunked-up rains.B Friday's second qualifying session saw us sitting on the grid at the 5 minute signal on dry tires when itB proceeded to pour bucketsB (where's the sun when you want it?).B The Friday morning session times held accordingly and I started the Saturday (dry) race 3rd, where I battled with traffic for 15 laps to finish a close 3rd behind a very quick Lotus 11 driven by Baxter Phillips, first,B andB the two-time SCCA National Championship-winning 948 Bugeye Sprite, driven by the Champion himself, Ray Stone, second.B No questions arose about what tires to choose Sunday - it literally poured all day.B Now starting second due to the Lotus' withdrawl due to the monsoon conditions, the Sprite and I had a blast!B B Ray held me off into turn 1 at the start and pulled out about 100 yardsB while I acclimated to the rivers on the track, visibility through the spray, the tiresB (finally wet tires on a wet track, what a concept!) and fog on my visor (biggest challenge of all) - and had an absolute ball!B It took several laps to to feel confident enough to press for the lead rather than settle for second - soB on lap 8 of 10, I dove to the inside of turn 1 at the end of Summit's long front straight - Ray moved to the right ensuring I would have to sail through a lake to take the corner, which I was able to do - and we exited door-handle to door-handle and continued that way through turn 2 into Wagonbend - the very fast left-handerB and I had the speed and line to take that corner, with the correct approach line far right, and then was able then to pull out a 4 second gap to the checker, recording the fastest race lap by 4.5 seconds!!!!B B The Hoosier rains were utterly fantastic in the drenching conditions allowing veryB close racing with an experienced, professional competitor, which made the day completely satisfying.B First overall win for the team, the car ran superbly, thanks to John, Craig and Russ, and best of all it was the very first crew experience for my 20 year-old daughter Leah, who now knows exactly the color of the bug which has been biting Dad all these years!B We also have the in-car ChaseCam video to re-live, and it is superb!B I give the weekend a ten out of ten!!!B Bring on the rain!!!! Steve Groh #393 '63 SpitfireB B From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 15:42:14 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Message-ID: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B Anyone know why this would happen???? Steve Groh From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 8 15:49:00 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Message-ID: In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: > Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B > > Anyone know why this would happen???? > > LUCAS Key Board. Bill (Damdinger) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=May5509AvgfooterNO115) From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 8 15:49:57 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You aren't by any chance using a MAC, are you? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sgroh1 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:42 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B Anyone know why this would happen???? Steve Groh Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 16:04:34 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net > writes: > > >> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >> 500.B >> Anyone know why this would happen???? >> > > > LUCAS Key Board. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May5509AvgfooterNO115 > ) From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 8 16:52:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:52:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> References: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> I-Phone is made by Apple and that might explain it. I don't have any familiarity with the product but I'd guess that they use the same sort of UNIX type of text system as their computers do, so it is definitely a possibility. If you can send the messages in plain text (as opposed to HTML or other format) that may resolve the issue. I have seen this anomaly in several messages that have come across the team.net server in the past few months. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Groh Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net > writes: > > >> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >> 500.B >> Anyone know why this would happen???? >> > > > LUCAS Key Board. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May550 9AvgfooterNO115 > ) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 8 17:02:58 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blue Spitfire Message-ID: <0EFEAA1D0585426292DBF5E7C7EF3867@hp532n> Somebody was looking for this link and I just ran across it...... http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/triumph/1187755735/1187755735pp.htm From Billb at bnj.com Fri May 8 18:49:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> References: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I've seen this in a few of my messages recently--ones not sent from my iPhone but from my mac. No idea what it is. On May 8, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I-Phone is made by Apple and that might explain it. I don't have any > familiarity with the product but I'd guess that they use the same > sort of > UNIX type of text system as their computers do, so it is definitely a > possibility. If you can send the messages in plain text (as opposed > to HTML > or other format) that may resolve the issue. > > I have seen this anomaly in several messages that have come across the > team.net server in the past few months. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Steven Groh > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:05 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > > That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > sgroh1 at comcast.net >> writes: >> >> >>> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >>> 500.B >>> Anyone know why this would happen???? >>> >> >> >> LUCAS Key Board. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> >> >> ************** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May550 > 9AvgfooterNO115 >> ) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 20:43:33 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? References: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: No, MS Word 2007 - the iPhone is fine..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; "'fot'" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > You aren't by any chance using a MAC, are you? > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sgroh1 at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:42 PM > To: fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > > Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B > Anyone know why this would happen???? > > > > Steve Groh > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 10:18:50 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 9:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My photos of Group 44 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509121850.T4SKM.2404534.root@mp20> I've posted my Group 44 photos on photo bucket.... http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv286/1970TriumphGT6/ let me know your favorite! yes , that's me and Bob Tullius by the Triumph GT6 Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 18:23:32 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:23:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] lanocharacing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509202332.WH0AO.2389775.root@mp12> This guys TR8 was in the hotel parking lot at the Mitty.... hold on fella's !!! http://www.lanocharacing.com/ Bobby Whitehead From dave at microworks.net Sat May 9 19:50:18 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Had to share... Message-ID: <20090510015114.01D5018789B@autox.team.net> http://www.davesdroppings.com/?p=442 Should make me fast in the racecar not having to carry around that extra 40 lbs. From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 20:42:40 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead From GRMTim at aol.com Sun May 10 07:25:01 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:25:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Message-ID: Well, I am here. I think Dennis Day is here. Carey is here. Russell Tullius is here and his dad still has a GTP car. I don't think Bill Warner or Henry Wilkinson are here. They account for three of the cars. JK Jackson has a TR6. I think he lurks. Tom Jackson has the Midget. Andrew Moore and Bob Boller have Jags. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 5/9/09 10:43:14 PM, igofaster at charter.net writes: > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=May51009AvgfooterNO62) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun May 10 08:06:49 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> Message-ID: How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? Paul http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun May 10 08:09:14 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guess I didn't read far enough "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a Trimuph TR4A." Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? Paul http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun May 10 11:56:34 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:56:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob's first championship was ith the TR4, then in EP, in 1962. Second was EP in '63. Then DP championship in '64. Mike Cook > From: macdonaldp at rogers.com > To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 > CC: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > Guess I didn't read far enough > > "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. > He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production > class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a > Trimuph TR4A." > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM > To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? > > Paul > > http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun May 10 17:04:25 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] For sale: uncle jack's 1971 street TR-6 Message-ID: <20090510230444.1AAB7187642@autox.team.net> As part of handling my late father's estate, we are selling his lovingly cared for 1971 Triumph TR-6. Information here: http://www.tonydrews.com/UncleJackTR6/Uncle_Jack_TR6.htm Thanks, Tony Drews From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun May 10 18:09:38 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> References: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> Message-ID: <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> Bobby, I've owned 2 plus one of the Lee Mueller "west coast" cars. Ted Bobby Whitehead wrote: > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 10 18:23:10 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Message-ID: I can attest to Teds Spitfire...I was at his first drivers school then ,with my Mini....Rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon May 11 00:58:50 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 02:58:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Titanium Valve Spring Caps for TR6 Message-ID: Does anyone have any recommendations for a supplier of Titanium Valve Spring Caps for the TR6? Thank You all. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon May 11 15:54:53 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:54:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mark Joslyn Message-ID: I just received word that Mark Joslyn passed away on Saturday after a long Illness. Mark was something of a fixture in the the Triumph community. He was one of the original organizers of the Champaign British Car Festival in Champaigne Illinois. His passion for the marque (particularly Triumph Vitesses) and for life will be missed. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 12 08:32:55 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dolomite Sprint Distributor cap wanted Message-ID: Any one out there have one of these they would like to part with? I need the one for the Sprint which is different than the TR7 model in that the leads screw into the side rather than plug into the top. The TR7 style fits but I'm having difficulty making the leads clear the intake manifold. ......................Cheers Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 12 11:54:18 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> References: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> Message-ID: <70DB7930-5440-4C4C-8478-173CB6BCFAD1@earthlink.net> I've got the TR3 with group 44 history, When the TR4's became competitive, Furstenau sold the Group 44 TR3. Not sure who bought it but My dad, Mike Belfer bought it from that guy. It was raced in the midwest for many seasons until it was flipped at Blackhawk farms with my uncle behind the wheel. A big lumpy tree root near turn 4 was in the grass just off the pavement and and a small "off" put this root in the path of the front wheel. The car was wrecked and my uncle suffered a broken arm. The group 44 tr3 was then taken apart, and a new frame was purchased from Triumph, I guess they had a frame in the warehouse in NY that was sold just as any other part number. (It was the last one.) My current racecar, built up somewhere between '69 and '71, used this frame, and whatever parts survived from the Group 44 TR3. Various body panels, susp pieces, engine parts were used. The car has been raced ever since. I was only a kid at the time (Born in 1968) I was always told that this was the Group 44 TR3 but my dad took great pride in the Group 44 connection and stretched the truth just a little ; ) The car was fast and always ran at the front of the pack. It was also super reliable and we always spent time hanging around having fun at the track and I can not recall ever pulling the head or doing engine work at the track. ~Steve Belfer From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 11 11:35:37 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:35:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, around 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season figured it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was still on the shaft and tightened it up. Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there either. We decided to put it back together. Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out when the flywheel was loose and banging around. My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three problems? Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other suggestions? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit race car 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars 70 GT6 From markvaden at gmail.com Tue May 12 14:26:40 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza Message-ID: <285b8a860905121326m5ac13537ib70d812c4d5b0d42@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Here is the first 10 minutes of the Group 1 qualifying race from British Extravaganza event a couple of weekends ago. This race had nearly 60 cars, so it was really crowded. I was working on various car issues, so I did not notice a camera cable was a little loose, so there is some interference during the video, but it still came out ok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU8fWTspWOE Enjoy, Mark From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 12 15:04:35 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Questions Message-ID: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> Are we blocked out ? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 11 16:02:18 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Not quite Triumph material - 24 hours of Lemons in Stafford, CT. Message-ID: Ok, so there is zero triumph material in this other than the car is in the same garage as my TR6 and GT6...And if we have enough fun, we're going to race a GT6 next race. Mostly for the folks in the Northeast, but anyone else who happens to have interest, 'sponsorship' connections, publicity connections, or just plain wants to laugh at us... My insane college/post college companions and myself are putting together an effort ( heretofore known as the Knights Who Say Ni-ssan) to race in this year's 24 hours of LeMons event being held in Stafford Springs Ct. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/events/neweng09/ We have one goal. Finish. We strive not to be beaten by our own equipment. Especialy not our own equipment weilded by our team mates or spouses. My wife has been eyeing the 6' steel pry bar a lot of late however... Anything beyond that is considered gravy. The team consists of one seasoned SCCA club racer, two seasoned autocrossers, and two car nuts. We're looking for folks to help round out the team. We need all the groupies and hangers on we can gather of course, but a few folks with mechanical ability as well might prove to be of some help. Given that our sixth driver flaked out over the weekend, siting a desire to spend time with his family or some other such nonsense, we are particularly looking for some chump, er, qualified individual who would be interested in the position of driver #6. Someone who can contribute some modicum of driving ability, experience or at least interest, the deep seated desire to actually finish 15 hours of racing with 5 other sweaty, overweight, bleary eyed whack jobs and the financial wherewithal to help contribute to getting the untested steel steed, a tired old Nissan 200SX, out onto the track in the next 8 weeks. Oh, and a decent knowledge of Monty Python helps. A bonus if you can recite the entire Spam skit. To yourself. Silently. Every time. Team meetings are usually Saturdays (from about 10 - 5) at my house in Sunny Troy NY where we are in the process of making said car ready to go. Get hold of me if you're interested in any role, even as a hanger on. Or if you know someone who can send us SX200 parts, T shirts, or empty SPAM cans to patch up the rust holes. We're even willing to take on a few 'real' sponsors. The challenge before us... http://gallery.bithose.com/main.php?g2_itemId=20160 Thanks! Bob From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon May 11 11:58:56 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <4A086760.6040204@bright.net> Last call for parts to Import Carlisle. Hello list. Sorry to bug you but if anyone needs something brought to Import Carlisle, we need to know. Loading on Tuesday. Leaving very early Thursday morning and arriving Carlisle late afternoon. Our space numbers are E64 and E65. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 12 16:29:43 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] JE Pistons Message-ID: <611046243.7287601242167383935.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Will the FoT member interested in my three ( 3 ) "like new" JE pistons please contact me off-line. Thanks jcjcarrera at comcast.net From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 12 16:35:05 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Message-ID: <151270747.7289851242167705994.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Getting ready to paint the engine compartment and trunk of my street 67 4A, "new white" color. The paint supplier said it would be helpful if we knew the name of the manufacturer of the original paint. Any ideas out there in FoT land as to where I might look up this info? Thanks, John James #116 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue May 12 18:06:31 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc Message-ID: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Question for the group  what is the diameter of a stock TR4 clutch disc? Reason I ask is I just ordered a new Borg & Beck (I thought) clutch disc from The Roadster Factory which arrived today. It looked larger than the disc I just had in the car and when I measured the diameter it was 5/8 wider. The extra width will not allow it to marry up to the pressure plate I have been using. The TRF clutch disc measures 9 1/8 in diameter and the friction material is 1 1/2  wide. I compared the pressure plate and clutch disc to what I had just removed from the car with two older sets I had on the shelf, one Borg & Beck set and on LUK set. Both of these sets are the same size as the set I recently removed from my TR4. All these clutch discs measure 8 = in diameter with the friction material 1 < wide. I checked the TRF catalog and based on their listing, I ordered the correct part (116638) number and that number is on the box the new disc came in. In addition, the TRF disc is too wide to use with my new Joe Alexander lightweight flywheel but all the other clutch discs fit perfectly. So something is amiss which I will clarify with TRF tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have any info that will help determine what it is TRF sent me? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon May 11 10:23:55 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:23:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> Don't forget the ford in the 12 hour or was it a 6 hour Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Bob's first championship was ith the TR4, then in EP, in 1962. Second was EP in '63. Then DP championship in '64. Mike Cook > From: macdonaldp at rogers.com > To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 > CC: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > Guess I didn't read far enough > > "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. > He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production > class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a > Trimuph TR4A." > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM > To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? > > Paul > > http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 12 19:35:28 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:35:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Universal truths Message-ID: <4A0A23E0.1060907@bradakis.com> I love computers. I never told a lie in my life. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 12 20:43:33 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Message-ID: <6e8f7c7d$10f6f4eb$7aaf2371$@com> John, in the Moss catalog next to the TR4 frame section they show paint codes and explain some on older paints. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Getting ready to paint the engine compartment and trunk of my street 67 4A, "new white" color. The paint supplier said it would be helpful if we knew the name of the manufacturer of the original paint. Any ideas out there in FoT land as to where I might look up this info? Thanks, John James #116 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 12 20:59:33 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Questions References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> Message-ID: <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> Bradakis put a note up a few days ago, something about changing ISPs and the team.net lists would be intermittent for a short bit. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Questions > Are we blocked out ? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:08:14 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> References: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> Message-ID: <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 12 21:11:48 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> Message-ID: <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. Sorry to hit the list with this but...... Bob Kramer Austin, TX From malaboge at aol.com Tue May 12 22:00:09 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc In-Reply-To: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Gary- Sounds like you got a TR3 clutch disc....its 1/2" wider than the TR4 at 9" versus 8.5" for the TR4...I assume it fits the splines? Often oversized on the friction myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 5:06 pm Subject: [Fot] clutch disc Hello: Question for the group  what is the diameter of a stock TR4 clutch disc? Reason I ask is I just ordered a new Borg & Beck (I thought) clutch disc from The Roadster Factory which arrived today. It looked larger than the disc I just had in the car and when I measured the diameter it was 5/8 wider. The extra width will not allow it to marry up to the pressure plate I have been using. The TRF clutch disc measures 9 1/8 in diameter and the friction material is 1 1/2  wide. I compared the pressure plate and clutch disc to what I had just removed from the car with two older sets I had on the shelf, one Borg & Beck set and on LUK set. Both of these sets are the same size as the set I recently removed from my TR4. All these clutch discs measure 8 = in diameter with the friction material 1 < wide. I checked the TRF catalog and based on their listing, I ordered the correct part (116638) number and that number is on the box the new disc came in. In addition, the TRF disc is too wide to use with my new Joe Alexander lightweight flywheel but all the other clutch discs fit perfectly. So something is amiss which I will clarify with TRF tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have any info that will help determine what it is TRF sent me? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue May 12 22:46:09 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:46:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> Message-ID: <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they realized I really would!! On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of > my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins > Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it > was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of > times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to > straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. > > Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they > were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the > later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the > dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. > > Sorry to hit the list with this but...... > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 13 00:28:13 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never would torque up a flywheel without loctite. I use the standard bolts that came from Triumph with the car, torque them up to the amount the company wants me and never had any problem. As the flywheel bolts are short they are not stretch bolts. If you use grease on the threads then use also a securing ring or tabs to prevent the bolts from rotating. I don't know what happened first. I can imagine two cases: 1. harmonic damper came loose and made the flywheel wobbling what has stretched the flywheel bolts 2. the flywheel bolts came loose and this vibration had loosen the harmonic damper However make certain to prevent the bolts from coming loose. Just tighten them is not enough from my opinion. The distributor rotor might have been killed from the vibration that occurred and has for sure saved the engine. The dumm thing is that your crank might be exhausted and might break in short future. Should be replaced. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von George Harmuth Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 19:36 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, around 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season figured it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was still on the shaft and tightened it up. Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there either. We decided to put it back together. Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out when the flywheel was loose and banging around. My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three problems? Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other suggestions? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit race car 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars 70 GT6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bfeken at copper.net Wed May 13 02:07:31 2009 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] close ratio gearsets Message-ID: <005301c9d3a1$de2ff4d0$905bfb48@keng> For those that requested them, The close ratio gearsets for Tr3-Tr6 are beginning to arrive, Ken British frame & Engine 626-443-0939 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 13 05:53:57 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:53:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT/now KASTNER'S SEBRING TR4s In-Reply-To: <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBA1D8A176F03A-1198-20F3@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> it appears that we have two Sebring TR4s identified. i forgot to ask Tullius about the third one. still an open question. thanks?? joe a? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: Craig Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net; igofaster at charter.net Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 13 06:15:54 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: ....and in the big scheme of things I'm OK with it. I could never repay all the FOT value that I have received over the years. If somebody is getting good use of it then it is in a good place. I have a ratty old TR4 racecar that I am going to put right for my son to drive and I don't want to buy another one if that one is coming back. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:46 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they realized I really would!! On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of > my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins > Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it > was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of > times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to > straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. > > Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they > were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the > later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the > dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. > > Sorry to hit the list with this but...... > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 13 06:56:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:56:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc In-Reply-To: <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> References: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: The smaller disc started with the 4A; the TR4 used the same larger plate as the TR3. Randall with a 4A clutch in a 3A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 13 08:03:05 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:03:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC><8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky><3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: <12FD7CE8DF0E4199A4D509FDE69EB512@Charly> Bill, Front brake rotors came from me a couple of years ago at the Historics in Kent. Don't know about the rest though. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor >I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never >saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made >spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks >that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some >other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they >realized I really would!! > > > On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of my >> spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins Glen, but >> my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it was there or >> another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of times now. This >> time I forgot all about it until I decided to straighten out my supplies >> boxes and found the empty box. >> >> Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they were >> wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the later type >> Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the dark I know, but >> before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. >> >> Sorry to hit the list with this but...... >> >> Bob Kramer >> Austin, TX _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at gte.net Wed May 13 08:24:58 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza References: <285b8a860905121326m5ac13537ib70d812c4d5b0d42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201c9d3d6$98d27040$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Mark: Great job.... you have amazing talent -not just your driving but, the knowledge to develop make the program that incorporates the gps and g force indicator. I want that setup. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza > Hi, > > Here is the first 10 minutes of the Group 1 qualifying race from > British Extravaganza event a couple of weekends ago. This race had > nearly 60 cars, so it was really crowded. I was working on various car > issues, so I did not notice a camera cable was a little loose, so > there is some interference during the video, but it still came out ok. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU8fWTspWOE > > > Enjoy, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed May 13 16:59:45 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:59:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F71FEA90F5B4CD78931619AE47C83E5@GEOFFPC> Check that the crank is not broken through the rear main if its not it most probable will in future . Have it crack tested and checked for straightness. The motor will run OK with a diagonal break through rear main ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:35 AM Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? >I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the > season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my > spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage > and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I > was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, > around > 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still > turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the > distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No > sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season > figured > it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a > rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 > inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, > must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was > still on the shaft and tightened it up. > > Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and > found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled > the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel > and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the > flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I > didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but > the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the > front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't > broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there > either. > We decided to put it back together. > > Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger > tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the > crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We > couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the > weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out > when the flywheel was loose and banging around. > > My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty > rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the > flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three > problems? > > Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite > doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use > a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to > Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other > suggestions? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > 63 Spit race car > 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars > 70 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 13 18:22:26 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 13 18:38:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: Message-ID: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> I've broken 1 1296 small crank..that was after about 60+ hours on the engine..racing vintage..shifting at 6500 with occasional 7000..it broke in front of the rear main... my present crank is nitrited, and has about 20 hours on it Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Wed May 13 18:44:11 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Message-ID: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Any old timers out there? Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed May 13 19:38:20 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:38:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> References: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> Message-ID: When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP champ) from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the crank. Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the rod as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. Mike Cook > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > > I've broken 1 1296 small crank..that was after about 60+ hours on the > engine..racing vintage..shifting at 6500 with occasional 7000..it broke in > front of the rear main... > my present crank is nitrited, and has about 20 hours on it > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norlin Engineering" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > > > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > > engine this past weekend. > > > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > > or > > shot peened. > > > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > > which > > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > > I > > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > > but > > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > > crankshafts? > > > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > > National when the crank failed. > > > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 13 19:48:25 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Morgan Plates in Aluminum- TR Powered Message-ID: FOT< Last winter some Morgan guys approached me about making alloy engine plates for their TR powered MOGS. We made them and shipped them off by February. I have a few left if you know any folks out there that would want one. Greg Solow can also supply them. I likely will not produce them again, although the engineering and processing is documented, so that it would be easy to do, if enough are wanted. Thanks, Joe A From Herald948 at aol.com Wed May 13 20:56:50 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/2009 9:07:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cwn74 at aol.com writes: My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! ==AM== Way cool, Clark! Almost makes me want another Corvair (had one briefly, eons ago). Sound wasn't very good; I don't know if that was the film or my cheap speakers. But the announcer sounded to me like the immortal Fred Foy (also announcer for Dick Cavett and the Lone Ranger radio show)!? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi) From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed May 13 22:19:15 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:19:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT - Audi Message-ID: Good Evening A number of years ago, the Audi was on display at one of "museums" on the Las Vegas strip. It was for sale at the time - several hundred thousand if I recall correctly. It perhaps it has moved on to new ownership since then. CP In a message dated 5/12/2009 8:27:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, adams910 at gmail.com writes: Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu May 14 04:55:51 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 03:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: "Norlin Engineering" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering wrote: From: Norlin Engineering Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu May 14 05:47:05 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:47:05 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler Message-ID: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> FOT Any of you guys running diff oil coolers on independant rear end Triumphs. If so can you let me have some details on the set up eg inlet and outlet points , type of pump used and size of cooler and where mounted etc . Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From horizonracing at msn.com Thu May 14 07:41:02 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:41:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> References: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: Geoff, Although not Triumph, I've done this to a Lister chevy and a Devin SS. Both De Dion tube cars with inboard brakes. The factory lister cars ran this set up in the 50's using a modified double SU pump (jag) and drivers were asked not to turn them on until lap 2-3. I'm using a modern elect. pump designed for heavy oil with a 6-8 row -8 cooler. I also put in a coarse screen filter before the pump inlet. Return oil is aimed at the crown wheel as close to the pinion as possible. The elect. oil pump is wiried into the fuel pump. cheers Tony > From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:47:05 +1000 > Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler > > FOT > Any of you guys running diff oil coolers on independant rear end Triumphs. If > so can you let me have some details on the set up eg inlet and outlet points , > type of pump used and size of cooler and where mounted etc . > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 14 09:01:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:01:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My 1147 never broke a crank even after wrapping a rod around it. But it did rather religiously eat rod bearing #3. See aforementioned U shaped rod. Bob On 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > To: "Norlin Engineering" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for > Susan > break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances > were > that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location > of > the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. > If > memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the > mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it > happened > Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering > wrote: > > From: Norlin Engineering > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Thu May 14 13:22:16 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Message-ID: <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> WHOA!? Track looks very early, ruff, compared to how it looks today.? Still the question -? how many Corvairs did GM use to make that film?? And, can you believe the off-road sequences, how many had to be towed and the scenes had to be re-shot? They are unusual cool cars, there were 3 Corvairs at the Jaguar autocross I participated last month.? Everyone cheered them all on and all the drivers had big smiles when they crossed the finish line. Drive on, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 8:44 pm Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Any old timers out there? Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Thu May 14 14:27:06 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A0C7E9A.1090100@dfn.com> robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > WHOA!? Track looks very early, ruff, compared to how it looks today.? Still the question -? how many Corvairs did GM use to make that film?? And, can you believe the off-road sequences, how many had to be towed and the scenes had to be re-shot? > > I thought the musical accompaniment was, uh, very symphonic. :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From REK46 at aol.com Thu May 14 16:02:10 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:02:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: who did the crank work on the 1296? ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Thu May 14 16:20:12 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:20:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your fingers crossed? I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the Cooper S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP champ) from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the crank. Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the rod as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. Mike Cook ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ From adams910 at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:44:15 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <673993c50905141544t3817b41ra0cebc92f183f682@mail.gmail.com> I asked Dick Stockton this question before. On the TR4's they were getting 3-4 races on connecting rods and 8-9 races on the crankshafts before they were thrown in the scrap pile. Bob Adams From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 16:48:19 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <614E65F8689349C5A4B6CF4088DBB564@Bud> in 1969 we could nitrite, balance, shot peen.....we could not add metal.....camshaft also...we could do any grind as long as we did not add metal Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What > was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? > Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your > fingers crossed? > > I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka > high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. > > The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the > Cooper > S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM > To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP > champ) > from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the > crank. > > > > Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." > > > > The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the > rod > as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. > > > > Mike Cook > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu May 14 16:54:49 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 DefinitionSub Cat. 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as such. It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is permitted provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as the original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA Rulebook........rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 17:03:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: Message-ID: Woohooo..thank you Rick!....I acually remembered that stuff! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and > Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 > DefinitionSub Cat. > 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to > lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and > drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as > such. > It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless > authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) > heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is > permitted > provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as > the > original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA > Rulebook........rick > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do > in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 14 18:08:04 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:08:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <11B83247C6814B31B7672473599A95FD@KasPC> You could do anything that you wanted to the crank except, add material. No welding, or whatever except balancing. Read the meaning of balancing in the dictionary, it means to " make even". Does not say to take away or add, just make even. It is interesting in this rule as with the TR-6 I had to move the harmonic trouble spot to a higher location in revs so I added a bunch of weight to the crank and even added brass plates to the sides of throws to get the harmonic in a position that was outside of the area in which I would use the engine. Worked like a charm and, as I was balancing, it was allowed. You gotta read the rules. Used nitriding as a tool most of the time, made a 50% strength improvement in the TR-6, TR-250 crank.. The difference between the Spitfire big bearing crank and the small bearing crank is the oil passages. The big bearing is not good. I had a terrible time with it and finally plugged the stock hole and cross drilled, this fixed it and redrilled the main feed to the throw. I've written about this in my books as most already know. The same with 1500, same problem, oil passages wrong for high revs and racing. Okay on the stockers though. This all happened as they were trying ( and did) commonize parts in the engines across the model line. Bad move for racers. Sometimes I was very popular at the factory and sometimes not, when I hollered and yelled about the 1296 MK 4 crank I was not popular (I was correct) but not popular. Then they did the same thing on the 1500, different folks to deal with at that time, not the same old Triumph good guys who had been shipped out to rescue engineering in the M.G. plant in Birmingham. Mergers do not always do a good thing for the customer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What > was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? > Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your > fingers crossed? > > I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka > high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. > > The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the > Cooper > S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM > To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP > champ) > from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the > crank. > > > > Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." > > > > The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the > rod > as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. > > > > Mike Cook > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 14 18:23:08 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] High Plains Vintage opener! Message-ID: Hey guys, http://www.9news.com/sports/article.aspx?storyid=115728&catid=295 Kevin From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 14 18:56:15 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:56:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee Message-ID: FOT, Rising up from ashes with an eight year restoration, Zach's TR4 is being prepared for entry into the Targa Tasmania Rally. No brainer for someone to 2nd the nomination Mr. Zach McAfee of Oz. Here ye, here ye, here ye... Joe Alexander From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 19:03:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee References: Message-ID: A 2nd here by Racer Bud! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee > FOT, > > Rising up from ashes with an eight year restoration, Zach's TR4 is being > prepared for entry into the Targa Tasmania Rally. > > No brainer for someone to 2nd the nomination Mr. Zach McAfee of Oz. > > Here ye, here ye, here ye... > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlcooknj at msn.com Thu May 14 19:37:38 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:37:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Message-ID: I was at Lime Rock in 1959 for the Britih Automobile Manufacturers Association Test Days and that's what it looked like. The only thing paved was the track. Mike > From: cwn74 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:11 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock > > Any old timers out there? > > Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? > > > > My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! > > It should generate some questions for John Fitch! > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 14 20:05:29 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] in search of 15 x 7 panasport Message-ID: I know it's a stretch but what the heck. I bent one of my panasport racing wheels in my wreck last year. Anybody have one stashed in a corner left over from a previous project? It's a 15 x 7 with 4 x 4-1/2 bolt pattern. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ Mobile1_052009 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 14 21:52:54 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains Message-ID: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages from the oil gallery to the mains? If so, what size is optimal? Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? If pressure in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the valve gear. Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? Thanks, Greg From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 14 22:21:24 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4A0CEDC4.1000903@bradakis.com> Kramer, Robert wrote: > I could never repay all the FOT value that I have received over the years. Amen to that! mjb. PS: Services seem to be back to normal after the ISP switch earlier this week. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri May 15 06:29:37 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c9d558$d002e9e0$7008bda0$@net> Bud....I bet you don't remember what you had for dinner last night Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:04 PM To: REK46 at aol.com; britbits at netzero.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Woohooo..thank you Rick!....I acually remembered that stuff! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and > Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 > DefinitionSub Cat. > 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to > lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and > drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as > such. > It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless > authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) > heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is > permitted > provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as > the > original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA > Rulebook........rick > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do > in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlc ntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 15 06:30:42 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:30:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Message-ID: Here is a car that I have been following for a while. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9200 Looks like it is ready to run soon. Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 15 06:32:40 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to mention that there are three pages of the discussions, so don't miss the latest. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: May 15, 2009 8:31 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Here is a car that I have been following for a while. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9200 Looks like it is ready to run soon. Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 20:02:24 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I'd like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumphs to FoT. Pat autocrosses a Spitfire and a GT6. He has also shipped his cars to the UK on occasion to run the RBRR. He and his wife have a total of 5 Triumphs including a Stag. Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri May 15 20:21:43 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second for sure. Pat puts on one heck of an autocross. Welcome Pat. Marty > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:24 -0700 > From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > To: fot at autox.team.net; pat at patbarber.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Amici, > > I'd like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumphs to FoT. Pat autocrosses a Spitfire > and a GT6. He has also shipped his cars to the UK on occasion to run the RBRR. > > He and his wife have a total of 5 Triumphs including a Stag. > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage1_052009 From REK46 at aol.com Sat May 16 08:31:07 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:31:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 16 08:40:41 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:40:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D57@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Sounds good to me! Second! Scott B. (Across the lake in Wisconsin) ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Sat May 16 09:31:07 2009 Subject: [Fot] Nomination I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gp89 at charter.net Sat May 16 09:16:10 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 8:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090516111610.E910N.2799967.root@mp06> Another beer drinking Spit racer? Absolutely! Jeff Senty ---- REK46 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT > list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his > trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA > for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever > seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin > bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the > list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. > Find free things to do in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat May 16 11:19:21 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam In-Reply-To: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C594@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Speaking of broken cranks, I just had a cam break in my just rebuilt 109E in a Lotus 7. (1498cc 4 banger, push rod, modest cam etc....) Won the race but lost the engine. I have heard of lots of cranks letting go due to lots of reasons but not a cam. What are the likely reasons and does this happen more then I know. Bill B Lotus 7 GT6 Etc... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: "Norlin Engineering" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering wrote: From: Norlin Engineering Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 16 12:33:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C594@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <96F7118CF5004E5F91DC80157158BEF6@Bud> Hi bill....i just asked my friend/machinist about it...The ford cam is a cast cam...which if traumatized previously could cause it to break... another reason could be mis-alignment of a cam bearing Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bartlett" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam > Speaking of broken cranks, I just had a cam break in my just rebuilt 109E > in a > Lotus 7. (1498cc 4 banger, push rod, modest cam etc....) Won the race but > lost > the engine. > I have heard of lots of cranks letting go due to lots of reasons but not a > cam. What are the likely reasons and does this happen more then I know. > Bill B > Lotus 7 > GT6 > Etc... > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > To: "Norlin Engineering" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for > Susan > break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances > were > that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The > location > of > the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. > If > memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before > the > mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it > happened > Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering > wrote: > > From: Norlin Engineering > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Sat May 16 17:59:30 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:59:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. Message-ID: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically DEAD!!!!!!! Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from Michigan to Car lisle. unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. Also some into from Ted Schumacher. The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 16 18:05:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. References: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> Message-ID: maybe it's just the economy? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. >I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. > I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically > DEAD!!!!!!! > > Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from > Michigan to Car lisle. > > > unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. > Also some into from Ted Schumacher. > > The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. > > Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. > > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 16 20:14:36 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336620.63593.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Sat May 16 21:17:11 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> Message-ID: <001001c9d69e$083eccc0$60771342@jrg> Bud, Glenn is right, Carlisle has probably gone beyond the point of no return on LBC deals. 25 years ago you'd see box trucks loaded with NOS Lucas lenses, Smith's gauges, etc etc etc. Mostly from east coast dealerships and auto parts stores that'd recently closed. That supply of parts is long gone. Blame time... And maybe ebay too. At the same time, most of the people going to Carlisle are looking for the ultimate deal. A friend who's been a vendor since the mid-80s doesn't take any good parts anymore as people will try to offer $25 for an o/d gearbox. So mostly it's the junk he can't sell at the better swap meets/shows. Still regret passing up the aluminum flywheel with clutch setup (all new) for a Spitfire 1147. Only $25, but the seller couldn't tell me if it'd fit my newly acquired 1500 (it wouldn't). As my friend pointed out.. Would have made a neat wall hanging. ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:05 PM To: Glenn Franco; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. maybe it's just the economy? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. >I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. > I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically > DEAD!!!!!!! > > Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from > Michigan to Car lisle. > > > unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. > Also some into from Ted Schumacher. > > The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. > > Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. > > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWIQW3GZgkW2r9JUjYeq22BVCA3XcW7GMWuEoiMsnW352gY7cETrK/ From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun May 17 07:32:09 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:32:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts Message-ID: <4A1011D9.40705@cfl.rr.com> All, For a TR4A-TR6 I am in need of locating a left side vertical link and upper and lower control arms for both sides. Any help or leads is much appreciated. thxx, Bob 57 TR3 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun May 17 07:57:01 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts References: <4A1011D9.40705@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <054d01c9d6f7$5aa886f0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Bob, I probably have what you need; all my parts are at my farm south of Erie. I'm headed there today and can check. Give me a day or two. I'm very busy and to be honest, procrastinate sometimes. (Ted, the camshaft is coming!) Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts > All, > > For a TR4A-TR6 I am in need of locating a left side vertical link and > upper and lower control arms for both sides. Any help or leads is much > appreciated. > > thxx, > Bob > 57 TR3 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun May 17 11:08:09 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <336620.63593.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657264166.2502721242580089166.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll be 5th in line...but that what happens when you only check your email once every 2 days! Ron makes some excellent stuff spitfires.B Don't forget his gearbox and loads of other crap. Beer...what's beer! aaron Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:14:36 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... B Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick B Kristoff From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 12:00:17 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:00:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Now Aaron...how can you say that about beer !...Ron and I were at Topeka too,or was that an Aaron Johnson imposter we saw?....Rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002 ) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 13:57:05 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <657264166.2502721242580089166.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <312071.85410.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Beer...what's beer! Beer n. 1) enjoyable beverage. enjoyed the most in the company of friends ... of dark color and taste. Heavy. Many varieties exist, but the best are made in Englank, Germany, Holland, and Russia. Some good ones include American companies such as Grays in Janesville Wi. 2) also availabe in distasteful varieties such as ***light, ***amber, and ***fruit flavored ... similar to drinking coolaid or eating lik-m-aid .. (remember that stuff???).. Any other questions Aaron??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: From: fpspitfire at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:08 PM #yiv875530184 p {margin:0;} I'll be 5th in line...but that what happens when you only check your email once every 2 days! Ron makes some excellent stuff spitfires. Don't forget his gearbox and loads of other crap. Beer...what's beer! aaron Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:14:36 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 13:59:32 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:59:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000 002) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 14:54:35 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <913742.65842.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: REK46 at aol.com the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch OOOKay... I've now met someone just as sick as I am ... :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:59 PM the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 15:06:21 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:06:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 17 15:30:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: I was a guest judge last night at a Cooking Competition here in Sonoma, Ca at a culinary academy..Each chef had 30 minutes to prepare a meal using some of each ingredient from a previously sealed package. Maybe something like this could be done with items like beer, Likm ade, etc...and who knows what else?....and on the sidelines...at a Bar...would be the playing of the Bar Game 5-9-13...that's the dice game where...the guy who rolls the 5th ace names the drink(it can be anything)..the 9th ace drinks the drink..the 15th ace pays for the drink. Racer Bud....still living my life 'backwards' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh > Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some > judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will > do ! > > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:01:33 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <441056.97042.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're on!!!!! I'll have a judge suggestion by tomorrow ... I think we should each pick a manager/mentor/advisor in this also ... (Just to help us each do our best ;>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 4:06 PM Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:07:59 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <107588.57718.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Assuming that there well may be others semi-qualified to compete, this will have to officially come down to a final winner at a FOT event sometime in the future ????? We know we are all somewhat sick (we race triumphs dont we???) so we should be able to get a qualified field of contestants.... could be fun :>)))))) We will assume (for this group) that there are absolutely NO rules ))))). Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: REK46 at aol.com, tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 4:30 PM I was a guest judge last night at a Cooking Competition here in Sonoma, Ca at a culinary academy..Each chef had 30 minutes to prepare a meal using some of each ingredient from a previously sealed package. Maybe something like this could be done with items like beer, Likm ade, etc...and who knows what else?....and on the sidelines...at a Bar...would be the playing of the Bar Game 5-9-13...that's the dice game where...the guy who rolls the 5th ace names the drink(it can be anything)..the 9th ace drinks the drink..the 15th ace pays for the drink. Racer Bud....still living my life 'backwards' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh > Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some > judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! > > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Sun May 17 18:21:25 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:21:25 +1000 Subject: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> has anyone found a concentric clutch cylinder/bearing other than the Tilton ones?? I have custom made an alloy flywheel with twin plate Tilton clutch, but I'm now struggling to find a suitable cylinder and bearing.The local Tilton agents want a fortune for a specially imported one. Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun May 17 18:53:16 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:53:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 In-Reply-To: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> References: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C5DA@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Taylor Racing sells a few a good one I use is the Saab 300 annular slave cylinder. Bill Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry and Cindy Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 has anyone found a concentric clutch cylinder/bearing other than the Tilton ones?? I have custom made an alloy flywheel with twin plate Tilton clutch, but I'm now struggling to find a suitable cylinder and bearing.The local Tilton agents want a fortune for a specially imported one. Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Sun May 17 21:40:28 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Message-ID: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ From tlizzard at msn.com Mon May 18 05:25:27 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: In short, it is less expensive to race a Spridget, and there are more "donor" cars out there to support an effort. The Sprite engine is more reliable as a race engine too. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4 UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon May 18 06:39:31 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <1005835510.9410781242649143253.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2116253279.9415701242650371342.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Terry, I thought this was the FOT page.B I can't disagree on the number of donor cars if you add midgets plus sprites. However, when it comes to engines it is still how much reliability you want.B As Hp goes up reliability goes down regardless of what you start with.B Look at the Limited Prep Spits in H Production in SCCA.B Preparation is the key, there is not a single part in my Spit engines that I do not at least massage to get reliability.B Suyspension:B the Spit front suspension is hard to beat, the spridget has lever shocks or you pay to convert to what a Spit has as stock.B Rear Suspension:B Solid rear axle vs Swing axle.B If you think a solid axle is better, put in a super stiff rear spring in your Spit.B Don't forget that you can have that spring made to give any rear camber you want.B Can you do that with a midget rear axle ?B Personally, I prefer letting the suspension do its work and I have a rear suspension that completely eliminates the jacking forces plus the roll center does not move side to side in a corner.B Bottom line is there are fewer Spits to start with but they have the advantage in suspension and are equal in the cost of building a race engine and reliabilty is whatever you want.B And don't forget tranys. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:25:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In short, it is less expensive to race a Spridget, and there are more "donor" cars out there to support an effort. The Sprite engine is more reliable as a race engine too. Terry Stetler. B B ----- Original Message ----- B B From: Jim B B To: fot at autox.team.net B B Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:40 PM B B Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? B B Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage B B Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and B B one burning question popped into mind: B B What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage B B racing? B B In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" B B class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed B B over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and B B encouraged others to build more. B Those cars have bounced between FP and B B Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and B B willingness to be honest. B So that may skew the numbers a tad. B B This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And B B only 1 Spitfire in FP. B In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different B B Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more B B than one Spitfire running at a time. B B On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front B B suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and B B token TVRs that show up from time to time. B B Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? B B Cheers, B B Jim B B Dallas B B ____________________________________________________________ B B You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. B B http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WS y4 UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ B B _______________________________________________ B B Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html B B http://www.fot-racing.com B B Fot mailing list B B Fot at autox.team.net B B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon May 18 07:43:53 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? References: <1005835510.9410781242649143253.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2116253279.9415701242650371342.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: As a CVAR racer I can tell you there is a simple answer to Jim's question, and he touched on it. There is tremendous peer support within the Sprite/Midget racing community and it started with the Spec Sprite program that Roger Williams started. We used to have nearly a dozen Spec Sprites but many have graduated and decided to up the spec and speed to FP. Some of these guys are spending big bucks on engine and suspension to the point that a couple of them are as fast as my TR4A, and I'm keeping up with some of our C Prod 911 and 914-6 Porsches. We lost Susan to a move but we've got a couple of Spitfires now in Joe Hovey and Bill Collins. Joe is solid but Bill is early on the learning curve. What we need in CVAR is a leader for the Spitfire squadron. Jim could come in with his Spitfire and take on that role. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 AM To: Terry Stetler Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Terry, I thought this was the FOT page.B I can't disagree on the number of donor cars if you add midgets plus sprites. However, when it comes to engines it is still how much reliability you want.B As Hp goes up reliability goes down regardless of what you start with.B Look at the Limited Prep Spits in H Production in SCCA.B Preparation is the key, there is not a single part in my Spit engines that I do not at least massage to get reliability.B Suyspension:B the Spit front suspension is hard to beat, the spridget has lever shocks or you pay to convert to what a Spit has as stock.B Rear Suspension:B Solid rear axle vs Swing axle.B If you think a solid axle is better, put in a super stiff rear spring in your Spit.B Don't forget that you can have that spring made to give any rear camber you want.B Can you do that with a midget rear axle ?B Personally, I prefer letting the suspension do its work and I have a rear suspension that completely eliminates the jacking forces plus the roll center does not move side to side in a corner.B Bottom line is there are fewer Spits to start with but they have the advantage in suspension and are equal in the cost of building a race engine and reliabilty is whatever you want.B And don't forget tranys. Ron Krantz ReK Racing From cofrog at q.com Mon May 18 08:06:05 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:06:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] In Need Message-ID: Ran the inagural RMVR race at the new High Plains Raceway here in Colorado. Awesome challenging fast track. You folks from east and west of us should consider towing out this way to try it out. Unfortunately I ruined a half used Hoosier 205-60-15 Speedster and am left with three reasonably good ones. I am checking to see if anyone has a good used one they would like to sell. Thanks, Dan Forgey From robertten1 at aol.com Mon May 18 08:17:16 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:17:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBA5DA7B1EBA0F-1604-22BC@WEBMAIL-MY26.sysops.aol.com> Gary, No sure if you solved your problem or if you found a Solid State Stabilizer yet but, note they are availble from British Parts Northwest at what seems to be a reasonable cost. Best of luck, Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: 'Gary Horstkorta' ; Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ammeter Question Try the voltage regulator mounted on the back of the speedometer. I have never had the problem but there has been a lot of discussion about this on the 6pack list. I think some others have come up with a solid state version of this regulator. There maybe some on Ebay. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon May 18 08:33:36 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:33:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740122320C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Are there more of us Spitfires racing here in the northern latitudes? There are quite a few Spitfires around here - not as many as there are Spridgets, but still a good number of us. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0W Sy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 18 08:54:09 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:54:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains In-Reply-To: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090518145438.9EC5C187651@autox.team.net> One of the uncle jack tricks was to slightly drill out the center main oil passage. Don't have a diameter, though. Since it feeds two rods instead of one it seemed like the thing to do. This is mentioned in item four of the "Block" section of the engine building tips here: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm - Tony At 10:52 PM 5/14/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages >from the oil gallery to the mains? If so, what size is optimal? >Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., >is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? If pressure >in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil >would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross >sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear >would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant >and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the >valve gear. > >Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? > >Thanks, > >Greg >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 18 09:36:53 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:36:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: We're lacking Spit's here in the PNW as well. Back in the 70's there were a dozen or more Spitfires actively racing SCCA and only a couple of Spridgets. Currently in our SCCA vintage group. I am the only Spitfire running against at least a half dozen Spridgets. Only a couple of those have a true racing heritage, the rest are converted street cars. At Sovern's CRC last year there was one other Spitfire, again a car with great cred's. I think the reason for the difference is how easy it is to convert a street Spridget to racing. You can get virtually everthing you need from Moss Motors. Spitfire race parts such as rear axles, race springs, shocks, etc are available if you know where to look, but the main suppliers just carry street performance parts, not race parts. That being said, I agree that the Spitfire makes a far better race car than the Spridget for all the reasons stated earlier. For one thing, we can keep all the wheels on the ground. On the flip side, I think the Spridget makes a better street car. What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4U CG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon May 18 09:59:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <769ABE2E-47A9-417A-90EA-A98334676CA6@bnj.com> Peyote was amazing this weekend. Not only did it look great, it ran great. Had an absolute blast racing Cameron Healy in the Pooper, Tony Garmey in his Corvette and John Goodman in his Devin SS. We had a fine turnout of Triumph racers, all of whom did great. A full writeup later. I started the weekend off a bit slow, doing 1:42's and lolling around in sixth place. Flatspotted a new tire in the second lap of the test and tune day, and the flat spot got worse until there was cord showing. Swapped to an old set of Speedsters and started from the back, which gave me the impetus I needed to get the lead out and drive. Did a 1:39:4something catching up and trying to make my way to the front, but with the Corvette and Devin sliding around and screaming like banshees passing felt like trying to run through a spinning revolving door. Finished 4th with fastest lap time in race 3, third behind Cameron and Goodman in race 4. Ccouldn't quite get around Cameraon but with all the pushing and shoving we all got well down into the 39's. sure was some interesting passes on the lapped cars. I expected to have a posse of FV drivers with torches and ropes in out pits afterwards, but they seemed okay with it. Scared the crap out of me. Peyote is gorgeous. Weird to say that. Completely authentic, but perfect. Garmey pulled off a miracle. I had a lot of people say "I knew he was good, but I didn't know he was THAT good." Cameron and I had a classic Pooper-Peyote battle. Inches apart and flat out. Total trust. It was awesome. I still haven't quit grinning. From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 18 10:34:48 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740122320C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8DF0263298314B109A8604AF30E51969@Bud> I'm the only spitfire racing with CSRG in Nor calif... Racer Bud spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? > Are there more of us Spitfires racing here in the northern latitudes? > There are quite a few Spitfires around here - not as many as there are > Spridgets, but still a good number of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? > > Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians > Vintage > Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) > and > one burning question popped into mind: > > What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in > vintage > racing? > > In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec > Sprite" > class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely > warmed > over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and > encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and > Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and > willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. > > This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. > And > only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different > Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed > more > than one Spitfire running at a time. > > On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based > front > suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, > and > token TVRs that show up from time to time. > > Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0W > Sy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 18 10:46:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links Message-ID: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Just got finished unloading from last weekend at Road America, running with SVRA. Weather was a bit on the cool side, Sunday was gorgeous. Car is running great, ran a 2:52 in the first session, couldn't equal that until the final race. Had fun in the qualifying sessions, but had a frustrating qualifying race Sat afternoon. Kept getting held up in the twisty bits and then passed on the straights. Dropped from 6th to 10th. Was run off the track by a TVR between the kink and the carousel on the last lap - had a run on him but had to cool my jets. Sunday we were gridded by finishing order Saturday, so I was prepared for more frustration. However, I had an excellent race - ended up moving back up to 7th. Held off the TVR with some minor blocking (hey, what comes around goes around), passed Jeff Johnk in his fast yellow healey, but a Morgan flew by. Had some great dicing with 356's, came out all grins although a bit oil covered from the silver one... Got down to a low 2:51 in the race. Car is running as well as ever, and my Larry cam lets me turn those time while shifting at 6 grand. I think the track's grip has gone down some from a couple years ago where I had the magical race that got me into the 49's. Maybe the Toyos I was running then had a bit more grip than the current Speedsters too... Light turnout for this event, hope that's not a portend of things to come. Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here (fewer titles this time, Chris): http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 Photos from the event here: http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 There are several shots of Bill Dentinger getting awarded a giant bottle of wine for his yeoman's service as treasurer of VSDCA. Bob Wismer's car ran flawlessly all weekend, Bill had an odd problem where his car wouldn't move that kept him out of Sunday's race, but then he was later able to drive it to the trailer. The only other Triumph was John Frederici, he had tranny problems and didn't make the Sunday race. - Tony Drews From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon May 18 11:23:05 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains In-Reply-To: <20090518145438.9EC5C187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1655070322.9545641242667385424.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You are correct if there are casting flaws causing a restriction to the oil flow in the block.B The real problem is in the crankshaft and oil hole size out to the rods. Ron K ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews " To: "Greg & Alison Blake" , fot @ autox .team.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:54:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ Fot ] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains One of the uncle jack tricks was to slightly drill out the center main oil passage. B Don't have a diameter, though. B Since it feeds two rods instead of one it seemed like the thing to do. B This is mentioned in item four of the "Block" section of the engine building tips here: http :// www . tonydrews .com/ uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips . htm - Tony At 10:52 PM 5/14/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages >from the oil gallery to the mains? B If so, what size is optimal? >Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., >is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? B If pressure >in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil >would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross >sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear >would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant >and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the >valve gear. > >Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? > >Thanks, > >Greg > _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html > > http :// www . fot -racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot @ autox .team.net > http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html http :// www . fot -racing.com Fot mailing list Fot @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon May 18 12:06:28 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:06:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0905181106r32c60790pfb00af7808aaf628@mail.gmail.com> Here on the West Coast, Triumphs outnumber every other marque with Spitfires well represented. In VARA (FP), we have no fewer than three to five (equal to the number of Spridgets) while in the larger DP class we have almost 9 regular TR4's plus another couple of big Spits. Twice this year we have had more than 17 Triumphs with 23 at Fontana. Typically, Triumphs (or at least Triumph drivers) will sweep the majority of classes in which they are entered. Part of this credit should go to Kas who continually inspires us to get out there and race, and the rest should go to the drivers who take their old Triumphs and compete against (and beat) their German, Italian and Japanese competition even with outdated technology, heavier cars and longer tracks (which often put us at a disadvantage against the 2002s and 510s. Just a brief thought as to how things are out here. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Jim wrote: > Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage > Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and > one burning question popped into mind: > > What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage > racing? > > In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" > class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed > over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and > encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and > Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and > willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. > > This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. > And > only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different > Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed > more > than one Spitfire running at a time. > > On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front > suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and > token TVRs that show up from time to time. > > Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 18 12:47:29 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:47:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links Message-ID: Amici... Ah yes, we suspect my problem trying to pull out of our paddock (slight up hill on 'spring grass') was that the clutch froze to the flywheel, at least I could no longer get it into any gear. With five minutes to race time, I figured my goose was cooked, and I got back into street clothes. Then there was an incident in the Race Group ahead of us, and our race was a good half hour late. I should have fooled around with the issue, as eventually it went away. Turning everything off, letting it cool down, and starting over seemed to be a fix. At least we were running under our own power when we went to load it in the trailer. We'll take a harder look at it in the shop. As it turned out, I got to watch the race from corner five, and can verify the fun Tony was describing. Tony was collecting Porsches all week end, and done us all proud. Must also mention John Fridirici in his TR3A, who was all alone for most of the race, but as such it was easy to see what a smooth driver John is. He looked really good coming through FIVE and up the hill to SIX. John also ran the Enduro on Friday night, and clocked about 140 miles in that race. The fast MORGAN that passed Tony started well behind him. That's Pat Starr, from Minnesota. He is in his 70s, and driving the same old MORGAN he's been driving since the early 1960s. He is a GREAT driver and used to own the Peyote. Like Bill Babcock, Starr embarrassed a lot of people with the Peyote in vintage racing. About the bottle of wine. It is 14 1/2 liters, and nearly as tall as Shirley. My wife and I have reached a point in life where we enjoy splitting a bottle of wine a couple of nights a week. I think we're going to need seat belts for this one. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322941x1201367178/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=Mayfooter51809NO115) From srcypher at mac.com Mon May 18 15:07:18 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> To some extent, I expect consolidation. I had a collection of 3 log books, one of which I gave away the book and the chassis off to a guy wanting to do vintage 1500. I know he's no where near race ready. The other chassis & book is in storage for some future project. The PO of my current car had consolidated from at least 3 other spit racers; or so I was told, and misplaced log books..... Thanks -Scott Cypher ----------------- On May 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim From britbits at netzero.com Mon May 18 15:39:44 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> References: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> Message-ID: <008b01c9d801$4d425710$77711342@jrg> Scott, That makes sense for cars with some history. As to Spitfire vs Spridget availablility... Originally they sold roughly in the same quantities. The Spitfire has 2 distinct body styles and the Spridgets have 2 distinct body styles (Bugeye/early and later). The 1500 engine isn't legal for vintage groups that use the '72 cutoff. So most people look at squaretail Spitfires and say "naaaah". Whereas most MG people look at 1500 Midgets and say "they're trash, make a race car out of them". I'm directly responsible for one of the Spec Sprites in CVAR as I'd collected the parts for such a car and "loaned" them to someone wanting to build up a cheap racecar. About the same time my home owners association started objecting to the junk yard building up in the backyard. It'd be interesting to see what the comparison is between original production of 1296 small bearing Spitfires vs 1275 Spridgets. On a side note, it is possible to convert a Mini FWD 1275 block for a Spridget, vastly increasing the basic block supply. Not cranks, just blocks. CVAR will accept a squaretail Spitfire shell, as long as it's not fitted with a 1500. The problem is that there's a limited supply of Mk3 engines. Anyone successfully running a big bearing 1296? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Cypher Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:07 PM To: Norlin Engineering Cc: fot at autox.team.net; britbits at netzero.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? To some extent, I expect consolidation. I had a collection of 3 log books, one of which I gave away the book and the chassis off to a guy wanting to do vintage 1500. I know he's no where near race ready. The other chassis & book is in storage for some future project. The PO of my current car had consolidated from at least 3 other spit racers; or so I was told, and misplaced log books..... Thanks -Scott Cypher ----------------- On May 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJWY8Y8LHP5ykX6h0YEWMmmnwrnRxH3A7YDS8Ln1eAe5pxoQjcM/ From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 18 17:18:08 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673993c50905181618s2f160de5y44cbcc890c8286b2@mail.gmail.com> Great video! Looks like a good move by the starter to throw the green flag when they did or that could have been ugly. When the pole sitting car is a Porsche 356 (and it usually is), it's a safe bet that they will be hard on the gas as soon as the pace car gets out of the way. -Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 19 00:06:30 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:06:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Don't get me wrong Tony, I love your videos and I can hardly await the video to start. A long "credit" trailer does tease me a lot ;-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 18:46 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links ........... Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here (fewer titles this time, Chris): ............. - Tony Drews From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 07:49:46 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Message-ID: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 19 08:16:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:16:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Funny, I run lots of toe in. The only thing with the toe out is that the full load is always on the smaller outside roller bearing and that it might wear out quicker from this. Brake: I would suppose that your rotors and pads went too hot or wasn't braked in properly. As you have a dual brake circuit maybe yours was set too much to the front? I would measure the flatness of the rotors and if the rotors are okay, install new pads and have a go again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2009 15:50 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 08:36:13 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <8CBA6A1BA803976-720-2AF3@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Glen, The suspension checked out fine, nothing out of the ordinary and yes I run the stock calipers. The bias is set to 60 -B 65% front. The soft pedal was determined to be the front circuit but using a half dozen different methods to bleed dual circuit brakes I couldn't get the slack out of the front master.B Last thursday I bledB the brakes and I had a great pedal. It engaged both circuits right from the top of the strokeB but got progressively worse after test & tune on friday. No fluid is leaking anywhere but lost almost 50% of my effective pedal travel. I also cleared the lines of all my old fluid and put in new ( castrol)B last week. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:03:32 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? you may have 2 separate issues, brake & suspension. Could something in the suspension be causing excess bump-steer? Possibly too much front brake bias, ie overworking fronts? I assume you have Girling 16 calipers? HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, 19 May 2009 9:49 am Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue May 19 08:43:12 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire vs Spridget Message-ID: <35382.31004.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob Kramer is correct on many points. I was discussing this Saturday night at the track with some folks who are close to the people in the Spec Sprite/FP Spridget group. Roger was the real catalyst for the Spec group, having them built by his high school auto shop at the cost of materials, and still has some cars for rent if they are needed. But those are "really" spec cars and turn lap times equal to FV cars and run with them. The disconcerting thing is the FP Spridgets that EASILY beat MGB's and who's lap times beat Bob's. They would be slapping Bob around if he ran in the same group, and they run with Joe Hovey, and Bobby Whitehead, neither of whom can see them much after the start of the race. The problem is that "vintage spirit" thing again. These cars are high dollar Spridget impersonators. They are running specially modified Mikuni's on engines that are massaged like Colby steaks. Bobby Whitehead ran into problems with his Toyo gearbox because it was a Toyo box. The trannies these guys run are Spridget cases running Hewland gears. They have a stack of gearsets that effectively give them c/r gears at a fraction of the cost for TR guys. They keep a gearbox for each track and can chose their gearing. There was a "local" guy building these $40,000 Spridgets for these gotta win guys. He sold them on the idea that they had to have these to win. He has since moved on to some NASCAR clone group, and is selling these guys on that idea now. Perhaps the numbers of these Super Sprites will decrease soon. Couple this with advantages that Spridgets have over Spit's and it makes a hard car to beat. While Spit drivers have to pay high dollars for decent trannies and axles the don't break, and are discussing broken cranks, these guys have cheap gearsets, $450 rear axles that are bulletproof, and 5 main cranks that don't flop around like a crank in a Viagra commercial. None of what they do breaks any current CVAR rule...carbs are "free" except the number of barrels, and gearbox has to have original case with the gears "free". Yes...the Spit guys have world class front suspension, bigger cockpits, easier engine access, etc, it's hard to beat the win at any cost mindset. Just my take on it - Ed - From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 08:56:18 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <4A12C620.4020505@dfn.com> Message-ID: <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Micheal, I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get the brakes to bleed and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of fresh fluid through over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & right calipers.B jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:45:52 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. Hmm. Could be. 5/8" toe-out is whole helluva lot.B My guess is that it put a lot of lateral force on the wheels, hubs and rotors which was causing the pads to continuously scrub the rotors, thus making a lot of unanticipated heat, which is also the likely cause of the brake pedal going soft--if there's more heat than can be normally dissipated, it's going to go into the pads and calipers and get transmitted to the fluid.B The fact that you got a good pedal and a proper bleed later, when the system was cold, seems to confirm that. I understand that the course also has a number of elevation changes, and the additional downhill braking might have made the problem even worse. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 09:15:26 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryvi lle.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4A12C620.4020505@dfn.com> <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090519151604.2B5D8187645@autox.team.net> Sounds like the calipers didn't back off properly and overheated the pads. Jack had that issue with the stock calipers, and had heat crazing on the pad and rotor. I have a really hard time understanding how the alignment would have caused that. It would cause tire wear for sure. - Tony Drews At 09:56 AM 5/19/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Micheal, > >I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get >the brakes to bleed > >and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of >fresh fluid through > >over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > >All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & >right calipers.B > >jg From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 09:34:37 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:34:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <12A545BE-43D1-4B1D-B6CB-DA0C883238BB@bnj.com> Sounds like your spindles might not be adjusted properly, or you didn't get the brakes bedded. On May 19, 2009, at 7:36 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > The suspension checked out fine, nothing out of the ordinary and yes > I run the > stock calipers. > > The bias is set to 60 -B 65% front. The soft pedal was determined to > be the > front circuit > > but using a half dozen different methods to bleed dual circuit > brakes I > couldn't get > > the slack out of the front master.B Last thursday I bledB the brakes > and I had > a great pedal. > > It engaged both circuits right from the top of the strokeB but got > progressively worse after > > test & tune on friday. No fluid is leaking anywhere but lost almost > 50% of my > effective > > pedal travel. I also cleared the lines of all my old fluid and put > in new ( > castrol)B last week. > > > > jg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fubog1 at aol.com > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:03:32 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / > Mazatlan > Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > you may have 2 separate issues, brake & suspension. > Could something in the suspension be causing excess bump-steer? > Possibly too much front brake bias, ie overworking fronts? I assume > you > have Girling 16 calipers? > HTH > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot > Sent: Tue, 19 May 2009 9:49 am > Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings FoT, > > > > B > > This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains > Raceway. > > Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out > as > pristine > > front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy > braking, then > > my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with > no > luck. > > During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn > on the > > inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard > 1/8b > toe > > out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my > last > engine change. > > I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle > Jackbs > spindles, > > 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front > & rear > brake circuits. > > Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load > was put > on the rotors? > > Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no > abnormal wear > issues. > > The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four > pads. > > Has anyone else ever had this experience? > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Jim Gray > > RMVR # 102 > > > > PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come > out and > race with us > > you won't regret it. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 09:51:48 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> Message-ID: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Michael, The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them prior to this past weekend. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: Micheal, I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get the brakes to bleed and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of fresh fluid through over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & right calipers.B Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused some damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new masters, did you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 deg. F.B If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the fluid goes way down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. Something to consider, anyway. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:21:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It's always possible to get a bubble somewhere that just won't let go. Motorcycle brakes are infamous for this because of the small system volume, and we had very complex methods for bleeding. One of the reasons I like speed bleeders so much. You can pump fluid through so fast that there's a much lower likelihood of a trapped bubble. But if you want to do it right, bleed from the top down, bleeding at every connection under strong pedal pressure. It's messy, but it works. You almost always gets some farting from the bubbles of the upper connections. I wouldn't discount the bedding issue either. On higher performance race cars it becomes really obvious when brake pads haven't been properly bedded--they go away very quickly and/or develop hot spots that make the material fail, usually crazing and hardening the surface but in extreme cases making the pad crumble. Follow the manufacturers recommended process exactly, and afterwards pull your pads and look for high spots. You need to transfer material from the pad to the rotor and you need the pad to be flat on the rotor face. High spots are hot spots. I see people all the time with pads that are obviously not working. But I rarely say anything because no one wants to hear that they need to toss them and do the bedding right. You CAN sometimes reuse a pad that''s been tapered or has hot spots. I use a method I copped from Kas--a cupped grinding wheel in a drill press with a dead flat surface (an old piece of inconel plate from a nuke plant that I've hauled around for thirty years) to slide the pad on. Grind till it's flat. Wear a respirator. Then rebedd it. If your manufacturer doesn't give a recco, here's the standard approach: Get on the track, accelerate to a good speed, press the brake gently and slow to nearly a stop. drive a little more without using the brakes and let things cool a bit, get going fast and then brake HARD to nearly a stop. Cool again, brake hard to nearly a stop. Repeat about five times, cooling in between. Return to the pits, pull the pads and look at them. If you have high spots (isolated, shiny spots with no wear around them) your pads aren't flat or your calipers aren't pressing evenly. If they got really hot then your seals aren't drawing the pads away from the rotor or you have too much residual pressure. Don't assume you don't have residual pressure. The weird little Triumph brake line junction is a residual pressure device, and many master cylinders come with a residual pressure device installed. The calipers are supposed to withdraw the pads from the rotors with the elastic stickiness of the seal lips. Worn or hard seals, corroded pistons, or bowed calipers compromise this. Girling calipers suck, by the way. For as heavy as they are, they don't have a lot of rigidity. A Wilwood ultralight is ten times better, give you brakes that can stop on a dime and give you nine cents change, but we can't use them. Sure are nice though. On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Michael, > > > > The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them > prior to this > past weekend. > > jg From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:23:36 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7B2FF1AF-362F-4930-AB9C-1670478381E3@bnj.com> Incidentally, no way that alignment caused the problem unless your spindles are set up improperly. Even then it would just knock back your pads and give you more brake pedal travel. On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Michael, > > > > The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them > prior to this > past weekend. > > jg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Porter" > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / > Mazatlan > Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Micheal, > > I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still > can't get > the brakes to bleed > > and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two > quarts of > fresh fluid through > > over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > > All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to > the left & > right calipers.B > Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No > matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused > some > damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new > masters, did > you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master > cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 > deg. F.B > If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the > fluid goes way > down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. > > > Something to consider, anyway. > > > > Cheers. > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:27:19 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BTW In-Reply-To: References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Did I mention that Peyote really rocked this weekend? I mean really...rocked. What a car. When I close my eyes I can still see turn two sliding by with Cameron sawing away on the Pooper with his inside front wheel ten inches in the air trying to stay in front. From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 11:57:39 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BTW In-Reply-To: References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7615FE56-0C5C-4E5D-B036-972C59A68E62@bnj.com> It really DOES look a little too nice, but Peyote has a way of gathering patina quickly. There's already lots of rock bumps in the fenders. The nose got kind of peppered too--Cameron gave me a gravel shower in Big Indy. On May 19, 2009, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > You were looking pretty good from where I was standing, Bill... The > only commentary came from one of my colleges who missed the lumps > and bumps... thought the car looked "too nice"... `Guess there's no > pleasing everyone. > > Greg > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > From: billb at bnj.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:19 -0700 > > Subject: [Fot] BTW > > > > Did I mention that Peyote really rocked this weekend? I mean > > really...rocked. > > > > What a car. > > > > When I close my eyes I can still see turn two sliding by with > Cameron > > sawing away on the Pooper with his inside front wheel ten inches in > > the air trying to stay in front. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 19 12:55:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw: News Triumph TR6 Message-ID: If someone can help Rob, please contact Rob Squire at rssquire at aol.com Thanks Racer Bud..spitfire#21 I need a little help from the group. Recently a friend of mine lost his son and now is trying to value his '74 TR6. It's a clean car with about 100K, good interior, new top, master cyl, batt and batt box. It runs very well, doesn't use oil, is straight and tidy. ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=MayExcfoo ter51609NO62) From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 19:18:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090520011827.97F3D187645@autox.team.net> I was wrong - John Frederici DID finish Sunday's race, his problem was the tranny popping out of 3rd. He held it in gear as necessary. (Been there, done that!) - Tony At 11:46 AM 5/18/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >Just got finished unloading from last weekend at Road America, >running with SVRA. Weather was a bit on the cool side, Sunday was >gorgeous. Car is running great, ran a 2:52 in the first session, >couldn't equal that until the final race. Had fun in the qualifying >sessions, but had a frustrating qualifying race Sat afternoon. Kept >getting held up in the twisty bits and then passed on the >straights. Dropped from 6th to 10th. Was run off the track by a >TVR between the kink and the carousel on the last lap - had a run on >him but had to cool my jets. > >Sunday we were gridded by finishing order Saturday, so I was >prepared for more frustration. However, I had an excellent race - >ended up moving back up to 7th. Held off the TVR with some minor >blocking (hey, what comes around goes around), passed Jeff Johnk in >his fast yellow healey, but a Morgan flew by. Had some great dicing >with 356's, came out all grins although a bit oil covered from the >silver one... Got down to a low 2:51 in the race. Car is running >as well as ever, and my Larry cam lets me turn those time while >shifting at 6 grand. I think the track's grip has gone down some >from a couple years ago where I had the magical race that got me >into the 49's. Maybe the Toyos I was running then had a bit more >grip than the current Speedsters too... > >Light turnout for this event, hope that's not a portend of things to come. > >Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here >(fewer titles this time, Chris): >http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 >Photos from the event here: >http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 >There are several shots of Bill Dentinger getting awarded a giant >bottle of wine for his yeoman's service as treasurer of VSDCA. > >Bob Wismer's car ran flawlessly all weekend, Bill had an odd problem >where his car wouldn't move that kept him out of Sunday's race, but >then he was later able to drive it to the trailer. The only other >Triumph was John Frederici, he had tranny problems and didn't make >the Sunday race. > >- Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 19:24:48 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Just because the calipers are rebuilt doesn't mean they retract the pad slightly like they need to. Jack's were newly assembled, newly rebuilt using new pieces, and they didn't retract properly so got too hot and faded. If you have a lining that doesn't fade, it will just get really hot and boil the brake fluid giving you a long pedal. However, I THINK that the pedal gets better when things cool down. - Tony Drews At 10:51 AM 5/19/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Michael, > > > >The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them prior to this >past weekend. > >jg > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Porter" >To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / >Mazatlan >Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > >toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > > > > >Micheal, > >I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get >the brakes to bleed > >and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of >fresh fluid through > >over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > >All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & >right calipers.B >Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No >matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused some >damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new masters, did >you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master >cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 deg. F.B >If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the fluid goes way >down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. > > >Something to consider, anyway. > > > >Cheers. >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Tue May 19 19:56:07 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:56:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com><2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The pedal may get a bit better, but it's all relative. I've lost brake cooling from things like an abraded duct hose and you can almost quantify the temperature rise by the greater volume of burnt, bubbly fluid that comes out of the effected corner when you're bleeding with a clear hose. The toastier it has been, the more pumps it takes to clear things up. The bubbles (and the long pedal) will be worse with lower temp fluids or fluid that has been in the system for very long and taken up moisture. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Cc: "fot" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > Just because the calipers are rebuilt doesn't mean they retract the pad > slightly like they need to. Jack's were newly assembled, newly rebuilt > using new pieces, and they didn't retract properly so got too hot and > faded. If you have a lining that doesn't fade, it will just get really > hot and boil the brake fluid giving you a long pedal. However, I THINK > that the pedal gets better when things cool down. > > - Tony Drews From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed May 20 08:12:51 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels Message-ID: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 20 08:15:20 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3 - 6 close ratio gear sets. Message-ID: <4A141078.3080604@bright.net> Several list members had inquired about these sets. They are now available. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 08:36:14 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: <31462FDE-05EA-46BF-A4D4-BE056CF531CC@bnj.com> I measure them with a little pressure, and then put the head on and snug it down to something like full torque, pull it off and then measure again. The gasket and the seating surfaces may not be perfect. It's a good idea to see if stuff moved. It's not a dead horse given the nature of the head gaskets we have available. On May 20, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority > of you on > this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim > for when > setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner > clearance. Do > you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight > pressure or no > pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for > Rose Cup in > June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 20 09:10:02 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> One thing I did when putting in new sleeves last summer was to get a 12 inch extension bit for a 1/4 inch drill and mount a wire brush on the end to get down to the sleeve seat and wire brush it to get it really clean. Then wiped it clean with lacquer thinner. Didn't have appreciable difference measuring with sleeves clamped in place and just setting in place. Did have a heck of a time to get a good measurement. Tried flat, ground bar across sleeve and measuring with feeler gauge between bar and top of block, depth micrometer from sleeve to top of block and lastly, sweeping a dial indicator from top of sleeve to top of block with base of indicator on best part of block I could find. Still had about 0.004 on manifold side of block and about 0.006 on distributor side of block after averaging (sort or) all the readings. This was with the stock figure 8 gaskets that came with the sleeves from Ken Gilanders at BFE. After a lot of discussion with Jack Drews, put it together that way with a Payen head gasket and have had no problem in two race weekends and one school day (6 sessions). We're running about 11.1 to 1 compression. FWIW Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Pendergrass Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:13 AM To: friends of triumph Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed May 20 09:36:58 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:36:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels Message-ID: From cofrog at q.com Wed May 20 09:36:46 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] My Final Shot Message-ID: I ruined a 205-60-15 Hoosier Speedster last weekend. The other three are about half worn. I went fishing (without bait) earlier this week to the list hunting for a good used tire to replace the trashed one. I have used all the suggestions I received to find one without success and am trying this final time to see if I can score a good used speedster. Or does anyone need three of these (LOL). Thanks, Dan Forgey From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 09:54:30 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Final Shot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where are you located Dan? I might have one kicking around. On May 20, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Dan Forgey wrote: > I ruined a 205-60-15 Hoosier Speedster last weekend. The other > three are > about half worn. I went fishing (without bait) earlier this week > to the list > hunting for a good used tire to replace the trashed one. > > > > I have used all the suggestions I received to find one without > success and am > trying this final time to see if I can score a good used speedster. > Or does > anyone need three of these (LOL). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan Forgey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 20 10:28:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query Message-ID: Hi, I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never overheated and boiled over. At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the crank and it turned freely... So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 feet by yourself). Last night, the starter button worked okay. Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when hot but otherwise works okay? I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 10:38:17 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Wed May 20 10:47:12 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 20 10:54:43 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen a problem with that solution. The stranded wire I've seen is made of fine braided wires and with the sharp angle the wire makes the fine wires break eventually losing the connection. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:47 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 20 11:11:43 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> Message-ID: <7A27F85BBD29416A9775B629BB7E04EE@jdnet.deere.com> > Still had about 0.004 on manifold side of block and > about 0.006 on distributor side of block after averaging (sort or) all the > readings. IMO, some of the cylinder blocks are simply cut wrong. My street 3A has a block from a 56 TR3 that is even worse than that; about .001" on one side and .004" to .005" on the other. I went through a BUNCH of headgaskets before thinking to check both sides! Decking the block didn't appear to be a viable option, since the pistons were already kissing the head with a shim steel head gasket. So I added some copper wire to a stock head gasket to put extra pressure on the liner tops. Never had another head gasket leak, even with the high compression head. -- Randall From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Wed May 20 13:44:25 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1893671017.10495471242848665714.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bob, I make a loop in the wire to keep from making that sharp bend.B The length has to be long enough that the solder does not penetrate the length of the stranded wire - if it does then you just added more solid wire.B Check that the stranded wire is still flexible after soldering and all is good.B Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kramer" To: rkrantz77 at comcast.net, "Bill Babcock" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:54:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Fot] Starter Query I've seen a problem with that solution. The stranded wire I've seen is made of fine braided wires and with the sharp angle the wire makes the fine wires break eventually losing the connection. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:47 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 20 13:59:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:59:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: I slip in the sleeves by hand, no tools required. Then I install the head give about 80 percent of the toque on the head nuts. After that I measure the protrusion. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Pendergrass Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2009 16:13 An: friends of triumph Betreff: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 17:18:38 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:18:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That's the guy. Bob, I suspect your starter would be fine for another nine years if you did this little fix. On May 20, 2009, at 9:47 AM, rkrantz77 at comcast.net wrote: > The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the > solenoid area of the starter. I put in a short length of stranded > 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. > Ron Krantz > ReK Racing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Robert Lang" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query > > Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is > separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm > not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better > off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to > repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- > wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed May 20 22:24:09 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu May 21 05:07:27 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement References: Message-ID: <065601c9da04$54369f40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I think Uncle Jack was working on a conversion setup to use Miata seats, or something along those lines. Give Tony a shout and ask. Good luck, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement > Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat > replacement. > Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. > > Kev > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 21 05:36:55 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 06:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <320074380.284865.1242905815312.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 21 06:06:20 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <1220071862.286008.1242907580303.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> /MiJGbp: Permission denied From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 21 06:37:25 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401291C5F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> You could just buy Uncle Jack's TR6 with the Miata seats. ;-) Nice car! Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:24 PM To: RACER BUD; FOT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu May 21 07:00:31 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:00:31 GMT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 21 07:04:12 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090521130538.1C581187667@autox.team.net> I have a few TR-6 / Miata seat bracket kits left. If this is really for a TR-4 as indicated in the subject line, apparently the holes in the floor on a TR-4 are in a different place than the TR-6 and the kit doesn't work nearly as well - the seats end up too far outboard. Regardless, the Miata seats are decent and look pretty fitting in a TR-4 or a TR-6, so that's a possibility. - Tony Drews At 11:24 PM 5/20/2009, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: >Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat >replacement. >Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. > >Kev >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Thu May 21 07:22:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> Have any of you guys done, any research on the Alpine Seat from the UK. It looks like a good one. I'd like to know more about it. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu May 21 07:40:56 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:40:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> Message-ID: I did a Google search and found info about the Alpine Seat on this webpage but I also found some interesting Haynes manuals that they have for sale. Have a look. http://www.holden.co.uk/ Woman Haynes Manual By Dr. Ian Banks. The practical step-by-step guide to women's health, for men. Written to demistify medical jargon on topics from anaemia to weight loss, breast cancer to thrush, and all points in between, with the woman's point of view properly expressed. 152 pages with 24 in colour Sex Haynes Manual By Dr. Ian Banks. Written in a robust and realistic style this book deals with all possible health and recreational aspects of this popular pastime. Hints and tips, fault finding charts and illustrations in typical Haynes style. 152 pages, 24 in colour. Suitable for 16 years of age and older HGV Man Haynes Manual By Dr Ian Banks. Obesity is threatening to become the biggest single threat to the nation's health. This Haynes Manual offers down-to-earth advice to men on how to achieve and then maintain a healthy weight. The style is as robust and realistic as usual, with his personal experience of shedding 3 stone in 2004 turned to good account. For each copy sold, 50p will be donated to the Men's Health Forum. Hardback, 160 pages, 64 in colour Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'Joe Boruch'; klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Have any of you guys done, any research on the Alpine Seat from the UK. It looks like a good one. I'd like to know more about it. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu May 21 08:44:44 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: > Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati > did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not > look like anything special was done to install them. Gadfry! I've slept since then! I bought the seat frames from Mark Pelham and had to have them completely reupholstered. They were the early TR6 seats with the folding head rests. I really don't remember having any problems... except as mentioned, they did have me sitting higher in the car... high enough to need a smaller steering wheel so I could get under it. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 21 08:59:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:59:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090521145901358.MLAQ15274@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > Sex Haynes Manual I picked up a copy of that one, just as a joke. IMO that's about all it's good for. Randall From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 21 09:02:17 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 seat subject Message-ID: Thanks for all the helpful input & information! Kevin From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu May 21 19:15:51 2009 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01c9da7a$d961cb60$8c256220$@net> I have Pontiac Fiero seats in my TR3. I would not recommend them for a '3 but with the extra couple of inches of width available in a 4 or 6 and they should work fine. Ken Gano -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:24 PM To: RACER BUD; FOT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev From britbits at netzero.com Thu May 21 21:44:43 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question Message-ID: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a wheel at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of the wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" studs in the rear. Just curious about the rest of y'all. Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL849okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 21 21:59:56 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:59:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question In-Reply-To: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> References: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Message-ID: After loosing a wheel in West Bend at Lime Rock ( a very fast right hander with no run off) in my first serious outing and doing a very lovely pirouette about the left rear brake drum, I replaced all the studs on my Spit with some modified lug studs from a Chevy. I put out an offer to make them for other folks at the time and sold off a few sets. I still have the tooling for making them in fact. Saw it just last weekend when cleaning up around the lathe. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Jim wrote: > Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. > > On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" > wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? > > Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? > > And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? > > As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a > wheel > at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of > the > wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of > course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind > when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" > studs in the rear. > > Just curious about the rest of y'all. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL849okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 22 10:38:23 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question In-Reply-To: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Message-ID: I'm running 1/2 inch studs. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a wheel at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of the wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" studs in the rear. Just curious about the rest of y'all. Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL84 9okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri May 22 17:04:59 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solow's oil cooler adapter Message-ID: <000001c9db31$bc09a940$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone know which two fittings to use to make the oil cooler lines for Greg's adapter? I think it is one 90 and one 120 but I lost the notes I had taken while talking to him. Thanks, Greg From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 24 09:01:23 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 19:22:50 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR4 Racer on Ebay Message-ID: <525047.12007.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is anyone out there familiar with a red vintage racer prepared TR4 recently offered on Ebay? The car is currently based in Huntingdon Beach, CA. Thanks RB From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 25 20:40:12 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> Message-ID: <001601c9ddab$4c3d4640$e4b7d2c0$@com> Recently toured a restoration shop here in Wisconsin that has a 3-D scanner and a "printer" that creates a model of the part scanned. From that they can CNC mill the part. Have no idea of the cost. Probably not cheap but also not terribly expensive based on how quick they can do it. Pretty impressive! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:01 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Mon May 25 20:50:12 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (list at mackenzie.aero) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 02:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle Message-ID: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can help me out. For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early 2008. When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be used to adjust track as required. Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual tapered shaft with keyway. Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline My question are: Has anybody else seen this set-up? Who made this? Where are the shafts from? Any help will be appreciated. Robert MacKenzie Austin, TX From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon May 25 23:48:54 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:48:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of early "competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've had in my Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years ago) have always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the hub from outside to inside. Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange that connects outer axle to inner axle. Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle >I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can > help me out. > > For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 > (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of > the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some > point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I > bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early > 2008. > > When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and > re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear > suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling > the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and > putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I > don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive > shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch > my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 > inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be > used to adjust track as required. > > Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I > discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting > off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s > another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] > > I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and > was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual > tapered shaft with keyway. > > Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline > > My question are: > > Has anybody else seen this set-up? > Who made this? > Where are the shafts from? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Robert MacKenzie > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 26 12:21:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:21:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: <4375E49F8AD8434C9428790442C2D19B@Bud> looks like you have a competition axle setup ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle >I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can > help me out. > > For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 > (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of > the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some > point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I > bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early > 2008. > > When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and > re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear > suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling > the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and > putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I > don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive > shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch > my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 > inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be > used to adjust track as required. > > Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I > discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting > off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s > another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] > > I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and > was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual > tapered shaft with keyway. > > Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline > > My question are: > > Has anybody else seen this set-up? > Who made this? > Where are the shafts from? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Robert MacKenzie > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 26 12:46:53 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From d.hesse at charter.net Tue May 26 13:53:35 2009 From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 hours from Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: ============= Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue May 26 15:02:59 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> References: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> Message-ID: VSCDA race at Elkhart Lake September 11-13 On May 26, 2009, at 2:53 PM, wrote: > How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 > hours from > Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. > > > ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: > > ============= > Hi everyone! > > We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late > summer and > fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that > familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What > are > the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we > make one > or two more events this year (still too much else going on this > year!), > which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat > time, best > vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? > > We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, > but I > just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and > December. I > think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make > sure. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Jerry Barr jerrybarr at charter.net From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 26 16:33:57 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:33:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: I don't know how slow your tow vehicle is but you should be able to get to the Bluegrass track within a day. http://www.drivebluegrass.com/news/calendar.html September 25-27. is that close enough? BTW, How's your Donkey? Mike (stuck in Kentuck) http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:27:55 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <673993c50905261627i7e158804ufc323d8d667bfee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <673993c50905261627i7e158804ufc323d8d667bfee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673993c50905261627h4b55c32g69b86830e9ed6bef@mail.gmail.com> SVRA is at NJMP Oct. 1-4, it can probably be done in a day from Kentucky. It should be a really good Spitfire track. -Bob On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > SVRA is at NJMP Oct. 1-4, it can probably be done in a day from Kentucky. > It should be a really good Spitfire track. > > Bob > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> I don't know how slow your tow vehicle is but you should be able to get to >> the Bluegrass track within a day. >> http://www.drivebluegrass.com/news/calendar.html >> September 25-27. is that close enough? >> BTW, How's your Donkey? >> >> Mike (stuck in Kentuck) >> http://www.triumphowners.com/135 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:47 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and >> fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that >> familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are >> the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one >> or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), >> which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best >> vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? >> >> We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I >> just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I >> think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. >> >> Thanks for any assistance! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> >> Susan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 17:48:08 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy Message-ID: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. Unfortunately he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was referencing and have you had good experiences with his work? Best, Mark From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 26 18:09:05 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:48 PM 5/26/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in >California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. >Unfortunately he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was >referencing and have you had good experiences with his work? > >Best, > >Mark Yup, Rocker Arm Specialists. They did a great job on my lifters, ISTR $2.50 each. Dirt cheap. jim >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 18:33:56 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A1C8A74.2050500@twcny.rr.com> From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 18:34:35 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A1C8A9B.5080806@twcny.rr.com> Gotta love that - thanks! M From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 26 18:36:29 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:36:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <23123397.1243384589257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here is a cool website and useful link to find out about all the race-tracks your area (and more). http://www.trackpedia.com ~Steve From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 26 18:49:54 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:49:54 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Message-ID: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main caps. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Cc: Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to install. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ From britbits at netzero.com Tue May 26 19:33:05 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> Message-ID: <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> Zippo Vintage Gran Prix at Watkins Glen ( http://www.theglen.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/US-Vintage-Grand-Prix.aspx ) September 11-13 Friday afternoon car show and race reenactment on original course (imagine big blocks punching onto main street ;) Then the action moves to the race track, with good infield camping. 8am wake up call by run groups. Everything from 998 Minis to the high dollar stuff will show up for the weekend. Some FOT'ers don't like all the armco. I'm sure there are a few who don't mind. Got to see Kas and crew there in the early 90s. Look for the firewood sellers along the road to the track. It will be in the 50s (or colder) in the morning. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of d.hesse at charter.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfiresuz at 141.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 hours from Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: ============= Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in surveys! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYROFvuyMzDljZg4FU3tNlL7r tUfwUwFMAWaQycca4jYDDTWWflM44/ From fogbro1 at comcast.net Tue May 26 20:07:34 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:07:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> Mark, He means Rocker Arm Specialist, Anderson, CA. You can find 'em with a Google search. I have not used them for lifter work. I've used Integral Cams, http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had a problem. His prices for a hardness check and a regrind have skyrocketed though. Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy > Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in > California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. Unfortunately > he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was referencing and have > you had good experiences with his work? > > Best, > > Mark From billb at bnj.com Tue May 26 20:35:12 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:35:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> Message-ID: <437FE0E6-BA2C-41C3-92D6-88E361533D75@bnj.com> Absolutely. I love the Glen, even if Peyote got belted there. Went back last year and had just as much fun. Great show and great racing. I could be wrong, but it seems like Watkins Glen is a bit further than a days drive to Kentucky. The VIR Gold Cup is a very cool event. Kind of a ho-hum track but the facilities are topnotch. I guess I shouldn't call it ho-hum, but there's some long straights and Peyote's not much for those, though it might be different with my new 3.5 rear end. Sure is nice not running out of revs. And first gear is now a usable gear. I've now got a useful four speed, though the ratios are a bit wide with the rear end multiplier. On May 26, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Jim wrote: > Zippo Vintage Gran Prix at Watkins Glen ( > http://www.theglen.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/US-Vintage-Grand-Prix.aspx > ) > > September 11-13 > > Friday afternoon car show and race reenactment on original course > (imagine > big blocks punching onto main street ;) > Then the action moves to the race track, with good infield camping. > 8am > wake up call by run groups. > > Everything from 998 Minis to the high dollar stuff will show up for > the > weekend. > > Some FOT'ers don't like all the armco. I'm sure there are a few who > don't > mind. Got to see Kas and crew there in the early 90s. > > Look for the firewood sellers along the road to the track. It will > be in > the 50s (or colder) in the morning. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of d.hesse at charter.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfiresuz at 141.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? > > How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 > hours from > Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. > > > ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: > > ============= > Hi everyone! > > We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late > summer and > fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that > familiar > with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the > must-do > events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two > more > events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which > would be > the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage > presence, coolest track, etc.)? > > We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, > but I > just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and > December. I > think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make > sure. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in > surveys! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYROFvuyMzDljZg4FU3tNlL7r > tUfwUwFMAWaQycca4jYDDTWWflM44/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 26 22:00:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... - Tony Drews At 07:49 PM 5/26/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: >I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's >to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England >that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not >need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main >caps. Joe(B) > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: "Bob Kramer" >To: Undisclosed-recipients:; >Cc: >Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps >Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > >In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 >block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front >and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My >machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We >talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all >around. Has anyone done this? > >Bob Kramer >Austin, TX >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Tue May 26 22:31:32 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:00:40 -0500 > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but it > doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews > > At 07:49 PM 5/26/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: > >I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > >to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > >that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > >need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > >caps. Joe(B) > > > >---------- Original Message ---------- > >From: "Bob Kramer" > >To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > >Cc: > >Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > >Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > > >In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > >block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > >and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > >machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > >talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > >around. Has anyone done this? > > > >Bob Kramer > >Austin, TX > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 26 22:37:02 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:37:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From billb at bnj.com Tue May 26 23:12:51 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 26 23:16:02 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:16:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> To my knowledge, under racing setup, folks have had trouble getting head gaskets to seal with them. They don't need as much (or any?) milling to achieve higher compression ratios, but they have the reputation of warping and then causing head gasket failure. - Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 5/26/2009, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: >Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 26 23:57:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock form, revs to 9000 RPM and all from 1997 cc. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:13 PM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 27 00:19:44 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:19:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Ask Jon Ellison (UK) He was racing a white TR4 supposed to be at 220 hp and now is doing with a TR6. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6734978036873641557&hl=en Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony and Annie Garmey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 06:32 An: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed May 27 00:23:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: <3B5926EE884742EFAF37EE6716FFD22B@rocky> Oops -- typo on Duane's e-mail -- correct is dbailey_wmi at yahoo.com His business is West Michigan Imports --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle > Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of > early "competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've > had in my Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years > ago) have always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the > hub from outside to inside. > > Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange > that connects outer axle to inner axle. > > Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend > Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar > business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). > dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774. > > --Rocky Entriken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM > Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle > > >>I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can >> help me out. >> >> For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 >> (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of >> the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some >> point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I >> bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early >> 2008. >> >> When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and >> re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear >> suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling >> the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and >> putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I >> don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive >> shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch >> my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 >> inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be >> used to adjust track as required. >> >> Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I >> discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting >> off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s >> another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] >> >> I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and >> was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual >> tapered shaft with keyway. >> >> Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline >> >> My question are: >> >> Has anybody else seen this set-up? >> Who made this? >> Where are the shafts from? >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> Austin, TX >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 27 00:28:13 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If you use an aluminum head you have to go with stretch bolts. Does mean the bolt has 0.8 x 1/2" diameter outside the threaded areas. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 07:16 An: Tony and Annie Garmey; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps To my knowledge, under racing setup, folks have had trouble getting head gaskets to seal with them. They don't need as much (or any?) milling to achieve higher compression ratios, but they have the reputation of warping and then causing head gasket failure. - Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 5/26/2009, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: >Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 27 01:50:22 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090527075022391.IWXA11639@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> > The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock > form, Also, if I'm not mistaken, a cross-flow head, 4 valves per cylinder, dual overhead camshafts, and nearly hemispherical combustion chambers. Randall From billb at bnj.com Wed May 27 02:41:30 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:41:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> Counter rotating DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder VTEC intake and exhaust, mega-trick heads, direct ignition and multi-point fuel injection, carbon fiber reinforced liners. And ladder-type bearing supports. A lot more going on there than bearing count. On May 26, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock form, > revs to > 9000 RPM and all from 1997 cc. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:13 PM > To: Tony Drews > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. > Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do > something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can > already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a > lot better flow. > > A good flowing head, now that's interesting. From gwizracing at cfu.net Wed May 27 05:40:44 2009 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking at a 1972 Tr6 this afternoon. Message-ID: <4A1D26BC.2090301@cfu.net> I am going to look at a TR6 this afternoon. It was recently on e-bay, but did not meet it's reserve. I was wondering if current TR6 owners from the FOT could give me a heads up on what to look for as typical problem areas! I've had a TR4 in the past but have no experience with a TR6. Thanks, Gary Wiezorek Former Red VSCDA TR4 #96 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 05:53:30 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > Counter rotating DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder VTEC intake and exhaust, > mega-trick heads, direct ignition and multi-point fuel injection, carbon > fiber reinforced liners. And ladder-type bearing supports. A lot more going > on there than bearing count. And, I might add - that motor is pretty well maxed out. I know a few years ago a few autocrossers were trying to work on the motor to run in SCCA Street Prepared class and they had very little luck getting more power using class-legal mods. I didn't follow the thread after about two years ago, but we don't see too many Honda powered mod cars at the national level. Kool motor, but Honda took the fun out of building for "some" of us. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 05:58:40 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float Message-ID: Hi, I'm doing my "last" nut/bolt check before running my car for the first time this season and I noticed that I have a bit of bearing play in my rear axles which are the Gp44 / Wingett corvair conversion. I know squat about the hubs, but is there a way to set the end-float? I'll probably run the car, but I need to convince tech that the setup is really "okay" before they give me an annual tech sticker. Any pointers would be appreciated. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 27 06:14:35 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: Not 8K? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:13 AM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed May 27 07:22:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:22:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> Not much point. No ponies up there. On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Not 8K? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 27 08:19:02 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:19:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> This wouldn't be that difficult to do. We already have cranks available with the extra bearing surfaces. Just bolt or weld in a couple of extra webs. Believe it or not, this was a common era modification to Model T motors. Larry Young Tony Drews wrote: > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. > > - Tony Drews From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 27 08:27:21 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4A1D4DC9.8040405@pobox.com> Rimco (rimcovw.com) does lifter reconditioning and are located in Santa Ana, CA. I spoke to Steve at Integral last week about their lifter resurfacing. He told me that more than half the cost (time) is in the micropolishing they do. Is this worth the extra cost? Larry Young Ed Woods wrote: > Mark, > > I've used Integral Cams, http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had > a problem. His prices for a hardness check and a regrind have > skyrocketed though. > > Ed Woods From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed May 27 09:04:51 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Limerock's Fall Vintage festival is fun. Labor day weekend, repaved track, nice turn out of cars. Do this event and head to the Glen for the next weekend, spend the week between at the Finger Lakes wineries. June 15th is the cutoff date for entries. Contact info Jeanette Veitenheimer Vintage Festival Lime Rock Park Vintagefestival at limerock.com There is nothing like the perfect late-summer afternoons that the Northwest corner of Connecticut produced, and with a breath-taking collection of cars that take to the track, there is no better way to spend Labor Day weekend. Fans discover the glamour, glory and style of historic and vintage sports cars as they claim focus of the event both on track, in the open paddock and during the prestigious Sunday in the Park Automotive Extravaganza. Sunday in the Park has evolved from what was essentially considered a local car show 27 years ago into a Car Show and Concours extravaganza devoted to automotive beauty, history and diversity. The Park will be engulfed with interesting vintage and historic sports cars, classics, customs and hot rods, woodies, trucks, racing cars, and motorcycles. There will also be marque car club groupings including Morgan, celebrating their 100th anniversary, Porsche, BMW, Corvette and Aston Martin. This is a must see event, and if you would like to show your car, please e-mail vintagefestival at limerock.com for more information. Mike Harmuth From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 09:18:12 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 2009, George Harmuth wrote: > Limerock's Fall Vintage festival is fun. Labor day weekend, repaved track, > nice turn out of cars. Do this event and head to the Glen for the next > weekend, spend the week between at the Finger Lakes wineries. Do they really let plebian cars like Triumphs play that at the Lime Rock Vintage Festival??? This is a serious question. I thought the answer was no, but I could be wrong. > June 15th is the cutoff date for entries. > Contact info > > Jeanette Veitenheimer > Vintage Festival > Lime Rock Park > Vintagefestival at limerock.com regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 27 09:51:27 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> Message-ID: Ken Gilanders has mentioned that they are running into the 8's. I get power up to about 7400 with the BFE 24 and at those rpms I have to watch my downshifts. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:23 AM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: Tony Drews; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Not much point. No ponies up there. On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Not 8K? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed May 27 10:12:30 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:12:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> Wow - thanks for all the responses about good events! There were lots to choose from. Based on our schedule and vacation time, it looks like we will shoot for the following: Sept. 11-13 VSCDA Elkhart Lake event - Road America Sept. 25-27 HSR event - Bluegrass Motorsports Park (can't pass up a race event on my birthday weekend less than two hours from home!) Dec. 11-13 VDCA event - Roebling Road Raceway I have a question about eligibility in to HSR -- we'll see how that goes. We hope to see lots of FOTers at those events! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 10:39:42 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> References: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <277972.83640.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is also Vintage au Grattan at Grattan, MI August 14-16. It is also a VSCDA event. ________________________________ From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Wow - thanks for all the responses about good events! There were lots to choose from. Based on our schedule and vacation time, it looks like we will shoot for the following: Sept. 11-13 VSCDA Elkhart Lake event - Road America Sept. 25-27 HSR event - Bluegrass Motorsports Park (can't pass up a race event on my birthday weekend less than two hours from home!) Dec. 11-13 VDCA event - Roebling Road Raceway I have a question about eligibility in to HSR -- we'll see how that goes. We hope to see lots of FOTers at those events! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gwizracing at cfu.net Wed May 27 10:56:11 2009 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks (Looking at a TR6 today) Message-ID: <4A1D70AB.3000106@cfu.net> I appreciate all the responses and good tips sent to me regarding the TR6. Thanks, Gary Wiezorek Old TR4 #96 From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 27 12:36:13 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:36:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> Message-ID: More bearings, more friction as Bill stated, and you will lose power and not gain much in the reliability area. To what point? If you want to spend some time on that engine, work on the weak point of the engine, the head and the ports. But, even without more bearings and valves etc it still makes nice engine power for something that was invented about the time of Caesar. I worked on this for a while but could not see an possible way that I would ever get the investment back or even close. Mordy Duns has worked out a way to give you less power and two more bearings I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Tony Drews" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > This wouldn't be that difficult to do. We already have cranks available > with the extra bearing surfaces. Just bolt or weld in a couple of extra > webs. Believe it or not, this was a common era modification to Model T > motors. > Larry Young > > Tony Drews wrote: >> If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's >> something to aspire too. >> - Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 27 17:28:27 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I never considered end float. I just get them close. I would say that if you notice it loose on the ground (the way they check them at a solo) you could tighten them one flat. Just don't get them too tight. I have only had problems from them being too tight. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float Hi, I'm doing my "last" nut/bolt check before running my car for the first time this season and I noticed that I have a bit of bearing play in my rear axles which are the Gp44 / Wingett corvair conversion. I know squat about the hubs, but is there a way to set the end-float? I'll probably run the car, but I need to convince tech that the setup is really "okay" before they give me an annual tech sticker. Any pointers would be appreciated. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.41/2136 - Release Date: 05/26/09 20:20:00 From adams910 at gmail.com Wed May 27 18:37:35 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <673993c50905271725x78183e06g5ec268bb94aece58@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> <673993c50905271725x78183e06g5ec268bb94aece58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673993c50905271737x79c41dedm2f5ffe0a0b25ad05@mail.gmail.com> > Some of the top MGB guys are claiming 7800-8000rpm from both the 3 main and > the 5 main bearing motors. These motors are putting out 185-200bhp (dyno > dependent) on twin 1 3/4 SU's. > > Bob A From rblake36 at yahoo.com Thu May 28 10:36:07 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (rblake36 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Flu Message-ID: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My son Greg recently completed his TR3 vintage racer and began qualification for his compettion license. I have been infected by this highly contagious virus. Recently found a vintage race prepared TR4 on ebay (link below) and would appreciate input from the FOT community about this vehicle. Thanks R Blake http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW X:IT&item=150346074606 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 28 10:52:43 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:52:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Flu In-Reply-To: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car has something nice behind the oil sump. Something that catches oil? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von rblake36 at yahoo.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 18:36 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] TR4 Flu My son Greg recently completed his TR3 vintage racer and began qualification for his compettion license. I have been infected by this highly contagious virus. Recently found a vintage race prepared TR4 on ebay (link below) and would appreciate input from the FOT community about this vehicle. Thanks R Blake http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MED W X:IT&item=150346074606 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 28 14:56:35 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Motorhead 101 - End of the road for University Motors MG Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Feibusch To: Rick Fiebusch Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Motorhead 101 - End of the road for University Motors MG submitted by MG owner Don Scott of Calistoga, CA...... End of the road Date: May 28, 2009 4:03 PM http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/ Sad, Best, Rick From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 28 17:55:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 4 New trunk monkeys! Message-ID: this is REALLY FUNNY..and a Triumph ..of sorts! ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig To: Craig Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: 4 New trunk monkeys! Caution if viewing at work - laughter is a dead giveaway you're goofing off. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv] From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 28 20:04:23 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? Message-ID: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. tia jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 28 08:56:16 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps/engineering secrets References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> Message-ID: <006101c9dfa4$74d77e40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Kas: You are giving away secrets of a wannabe engineer. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC Triple R Munitions, Inc. 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Larry Young" ; "Tony Drews" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > . Mordy Dunst has worked out a way to give you less power and two more > bearings I believe. From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 29 11:35:20 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> 71 g J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per > Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got > some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like > they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not > look or feel like they've been lightened. > > tia > > jim > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Fri May 29 18:42:42 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] DCTRA Newsletter Message-ID: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> I just published the new issue of the DCTRA Newletter last night. I'm sure the FOT will enjoy the photo on page 14 ;) http://www.dctra.org/News/Jun2009.pdf From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri May 29 18:51:14 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] DCTRA Newsletter In-Reply-To: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> References: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Couple small dents and a bent bumper but still a nice looking car. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 29, 2009, at 6:42 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I just published the new issue of the DCTRA Newletter last night. > > I'm sure the FOT will enjoy the photo on page 14 ;) > > http://www.dctra.org/News/Jun2009.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat May 30 06:46:04 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat May 30 12:58:38 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bartlett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ X4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Sat May 30 11:59:58 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:59:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Is it really quiet? Message-ID: <8CBAF6794C1EADF-F9C-230C@webmail-mh38.sysops.aol.com> Is it really this quiet or have I been banned :) ? From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat May 30 12:13:03 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:13:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: Hey, Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? I get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust he was innocent as well. If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go after it. Anybody know what it is? Steve, who's not sending the stuff... **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 12:24:13 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (MSCC News) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: It took me several years racing to figure out I needed professional help. Building race engines I mean. I built a lot of street engines that lasted forever but proved I couldn't keep a high-CR race engine screwed together. Head gasket issues mostly, both TRs and Minis. There's the old saw about experience being the best teacher because it's the most expensive. The pros deserve whatever I pay them. Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bartlett" To: "Chuck Arnold" ; "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 30 12:39:33 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Build my own but mine are just autox engines. Marty > From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com > To: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:38 -0500 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I > built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second > build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. > > An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build > it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. > > Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Bartlett > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Chuck Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along > with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the > TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not > look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum > sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of > the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch > wrote: > > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for > TR3/4's > > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in > England > > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they > should > not > > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with > main > > caps. Joe(B) > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: "Bob Kramer" > > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > > Cc: > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue > a TR4 > > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the > front > > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear > cap. > My > > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. > We > > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps > all > > around. Has anyone done this? > > > > Bob Kramer > > Austin, TX > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and > easy to > > install. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ > X4u6t > > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From kaskas at cox.net Sat May 30 13:31:18 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:31:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> Every pro builder out there started as a do-it-yourselfer. Detail is the problem with most. Patience and detail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Bill Bartlett'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? >I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I > built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second > build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. > > An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build > it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. > > Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Bartlett > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Chuck Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along > with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the > TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not > look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum > sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of > the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch > wrote: >> I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for > TR3/4's >> to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in > England >> that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they > should > not >> need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with > main >> caps. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: Undisclosed-recipients:; >> Cc: >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 >> >> In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue > a TR4 >> block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the > front >> and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear > cap. > My >> machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. > We >> talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps > all >> around. Has anyone done this? >> >> Bob Kramer >> Austin, TX >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and > easy to >> install. >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ > X4u6t >> UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 30 13:55:32 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? References: Message-ID: <8A1E2469A6CB4C339923443B0366AF8D@rocky> I've gotten spam "from" myself! I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well tell from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > Hey, > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > I > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > he was > innocent as well. > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > MaystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat May 30 13:38:35 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:38:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >71 g Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. >J.C. Hassall wrote: >>Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per >>Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just >>got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel >>like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and >>definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. >> >>tia >> >>jim >> >>-- >>J.C. Hassall >>Blacksburg VA >>'63 TR4 in autox preparation >>96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat May 30 14:11:27 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:11:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: So you're saying it's an internal thing? Odd that. Nonetheless, I'm relieved to hear that. I wouldn't want you all to think I'm touting Cealis or somesuch;-)) In a message dated 5/30/2009 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: I've gotten spam "from" myself! I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well tell from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > Hey, > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > I > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > he was > innocent as well. > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > MaystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From dave at microworks.net Sat May 30 14:26:07 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090530202646.C1B8818B1A8@autox.team.net> No. It is not an "internal" thing - meaning that you are sending to yourself. Rather as I indicated in that email to you off-list two hours ago... ------------------- As a Web/email host provider what we generally see this being is one of two probable causes. 1. Someone that you know (of who has your email address in their Outlook address book) is infected and the rouge piece of software is reading the Outlook address book to sends it's crap out. It will send to all the addresses that it finds and will pretend to be sending from those same addresses. or 2. Someone is sending out that mail pretending to be you. If you want forward one to me and I'll see if the message headers can give a clue as to which probably sources you are seeing. ------------------- At 01:11 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >So you're saying it's an internal thing? Odd that. Nonetheless, I'm >relieved to hear that. I wouldn't want you all to think I'm >touting Cealis or >somesuch;-)) > > >In a message dated 5/30/2009 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >rocky at spitfire4.com writes: > >I've gotten spam "from" myself! > >I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as >pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. > >Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted >addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an >attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a >message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again >because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not >good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well >tell >from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my >inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. > >--Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM >Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > > > > Hey, > > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > > I > > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > > he was > > innocent as well. > > > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > > easy > > steps! > > >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > > MaystepsfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > >**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >MaystepsfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat May 30 14:59:28 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090530205929728.GJSC15569@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 15:17:33 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: <124568.58414.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True, and Good advice .... My problem with the blocking is that I am now corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, so I cannot conveniently block those addresses ... oh well :>((( ... I just dont open attachments unless there is a note along with them from the sender, and it makes some sense to me. I have also written back and asked if something was sent by the person I know... usually it is (always in my case), but it never hurts to check. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:59 PM > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 15:20:54 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: <985525.32891.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. The advice below is true, and Good advice .... My problem with the blocking is that I am now corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, so I cannot conveniently block those addresses ... The harder part is leaning the russian language and keyboard ... anyone here want to help me with learning russian????? oh well :>((( ... I just dont open attachments unless there is a note along with them from the sender, and it makes some sense to me. I have also written back and asked if something was sent by the person I know... usually it is (always in my case), but it never hurts to check. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:59 PM > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 30 16:02:17 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? References: <20090530205929728.GJSC15569@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <5FD5756BA9054EA8AAFB3BF0CAF68306@rocky> This has screwed me up in the past, when my ISP was transmitting through his own domain name, another of his clients was (purportedly) sending spam, so since my messages were in the same IP address range they were getting blocked. This practice doesn't block one address, but dozens at a time including the innocent. People I was legitimately corresponding with -- many of them business communications -- could not receive me and in some cases could not send to me. My ISP fixed it by starting to relay his clients through AT&T which was big enough nobody puts up a spam blocker on *that* IP address range. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? but the only consistently effective method I have found is to > determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all > traffic from that range of IP addresses. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 30 18:57:07 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:57:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A21D5E3.9040708@bradakis.com> This topic reminds me that I've been meaning to write up some stuff about how Team.Net works, the reasons for various things and such. Maybe if I don't spend all night watching Iron Chef episodes on Youtube I can make some progress on it. But right now I have some ribs on the grill for tonight's dinner, and some pizza dough to make later for tomorrow's dinner. mjb. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 30 22:12:08 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter hardness. My new lifters weigh in at 68g My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and successful race motor weighed 52g. ~STEVE On May 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >> 71 g > > Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. > > >> J.C. Hassall wrote: >>> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some >>> per Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I >>> just got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which >>> feel like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and >>> definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. >>> >>> tia >>> >>> jim >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. Hassall >>> Blacksburg VA >>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>> 96% finished, 90% to go >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 30 22:39:46 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <2FA2612B-7235-4998-93D1-F6AA8AE989E1@earthlink.net> I've been working on a TR3-4 engine this weekend, I've been chipping away at the build for a long time. I take 3 steps forward, then 1 step back but I'm making progress. This is my spare motor and I thought it would be cool to have it all ready to go in the garage so when the time comes, I just pop it in. Unfortunately, It doesn't have all the same trick parts as my current motor so when I do put it in, I can count on less power as it contains a milder cam. Also P to W clearance is about maxed out. The thing is, I still plan on improving my lap times because I'm still learning the car and the tracks. This spare motor has a simple tray that gets sandwiched between the sump and a couple of sump gaskets and permatex black. I was torquing all the sump bolts down evenly until one decided to break off in the block. Now, I get to take the sump off again and attempt to extract the stupid broken bolt. Of course I don't like flipping the fresh engine over on the stand and creating tiny pieces of metal that can easily fall in and stick to the assembly lube on the crank. I made a piece of cardboard that fits over the bottom of the block that I can tape down to keep out any fragments of the bolt. I can't believe it broke, I was really tightening everything up carefully and it went from tight to rubber real fast. I bought an 11" degree wheel from Summit and it really helps with accuracy when the wheel is big and easy to read. It's fun assembling the engine but I don't expect it to be fun extracting a broken bolt from the block. ~Steve From cwn74 at aol.com Sun May 31 08:07:04 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR In-Reply-To: <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <012601c9e1f9$139d6c00$3ad84400$@com> I only see one Triumph at the SVRA event June 5-7 at VIR I thought there would be many! I'll be there (crewing for a MGTD though!). Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sun May 31 09:15:31 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:15:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR Message-ID: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> /LT1iXc: Permission denied From cwn74 at aol.com Sun May 31 09:33:45 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR In-Reply-To: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> References: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <012e01c9e205$2fd91700$8f8b4500$@com> My quick scan of the entry list was obviously too quick! Hi Dean! It will be great to see you again (since VTR in Richmond), this time racing! Ibll be with #928 MGTD (my college buddy driving), this is a big MG event (and Morgan). Search Frank Filangeri on youtube for some incar at Watkins Glen and NHMS. Ibm amazed at how fast those clunky-looking cars go! Should be a fun weekend (except the tow from/to Long Island)! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun May 31 10:18:49 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:18:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZS carbs running rich Message-ID: <000401c9e20b$7ba81360$b1191718@computer> My fairly recently rebuilt ZS carbs on my '74 TR6 are running rich (tailpipe has black soot). There is a gas smell in the engine compartment too. The gas smell seems to be coming from one of the carbs. Does this sound like the float level is too high in this carb? There are no outright gas leaks. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 31 10:37:45 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZS carbs running rich In-Reply-To: <000401c9e20b$7ba81360$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20090531163745043.RRNV24124@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> > My fairly recently rebuilt ZS carbs on my '74 TR6 are running > rich (tailpipe has black soot). There is a gas smell in the > engine compartment too. The gas smell seems to be coming > from one of the carbs. Does this sound like the float level > is too high in this carb? Sounds to me more like the float valve is not sealing completely. Could be crud in the valve, defective valve, broken gasket where they screw in, fuel pressure too high, etc. But check the level too. Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 31 11:49:07 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:49:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> Message-ID: <4A22C313.108@pobox.com> I agree completely. That is why I build my own engines, transmissions, rear ends, ......... Kas Kastner wrote: > Every pro builder out there started as a do-it-yourselfer. Detail is > the problem with most. Patience and detail. From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun May 31 11:51:13 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com><0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2C9A2CB4804B42D8A1DEBD129EEB1AF5@ComputerPC> I installed a new set of BP Northwest lifters with an Isky TR555 regrind in June 2007. #6 lifter and cam lobe are ruined and #3 was on the way. I am done with new lifters! I am having old lifters reground this time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? >I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new >engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their >hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance >with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter >hardness. > > My new lifters weigh in at 68g > My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g > My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and > successful race motor weighed 52g. > > ~STEVE > > > On May 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > >> At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >>> 71 g >> >> Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. >> >> >>> J.C. Hassall wrote: >>>> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per >>>> Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got >>>> some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like >>>> they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not >>>> look or feel like they've been lightened. >>>> >>>> tia >>>> >>>> jim >>>> >>>> -- >>>> J.C. Hassall >>>> Blacksburg VA >>>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>>> 96% finished, 90% to go >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 31 12:03:47 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> Early last year uncle jack did a lot of research on lifter hardness (check the archives). He found the BPNW lifters consistently tested about 57 Rc. The only problem with them is that someone in India or Pakistan, or wherever they are made decided to put a rather large chamfer on the edge. This cuts down the effect diameter by about 0.040. If your cam requires a full sized lifter, don't use them without removing the chamfer. Larry Steven Belfer wrote: > I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my > new engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states > their hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking > a chance with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on > lifter hardness. > > My new lifters weigh in at 68g > My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g > My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and > successful race motor weighed 52g. > > ~STEVE From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun May 31 13:30:20 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com><0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3B2FD8A5FB844BA49326A79CE8C2FD6F@ComputerPC> I asked the guy at BPNW (the son) when I bought my lifters from him - how many do you test? He said they buy them in batches of 1000 and test 3. I bought them anyway because of good reports from listers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Steven Belfer" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? > Early last year uncle jack did a lot of research on lifter hardness (check > the archives). He found the BPNW lifters consistently tested about 57 Rc. > The only problem with them is that someone in India or Pakistan, or > wherever they are made decided to put a rather large chamfer on the edge. > This cuts down the effect diameter by about 0.040. If your cam requires a > full sized lifter, don't use them without removing the chamfer. > Larry > > Steven Belfer wrote: >> I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new >> engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their >> hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance >> with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter >> hardness. >> >> My new lifters weigh in at 68g >> My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g >> My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and >> successful race motor weighed 52g. >> >> ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun May 31 17:26:25 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:26:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). If I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby. But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. I put together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. Of course, Kas's books are invaluable! I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too. But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. No knock to them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff to make sense, I think. - Tony Drews Quoting Bill Bartlett : > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun May 31 17:46:11 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> I've rebuilt our engine, first doing the head, summer of 2006, after the original was found to be cracked, then the bottom end, winter of 2007, when I found the bearings needed replacing and the crank ground, and then the sleeves and pistons when we overheated and cracked two of the liners, summer of 2008. I have been accused of being a perfectionist, but in the case of engines I think this a good thing. Being a graduate engineer, I also have a very keen sense of attention to detail. I've always gotten the right gauges to measure and check things and have 3 Snap-On torque wrenches which I use to torque just about everything (which sometimes drives my partner, son Ryan, a little crazy). I've also made quite a few special tools to do the job right using the lathe and milling machine I have. (I did control engineering in the machine tool industry for over 40 years, you learn quite a bit on how to use the machine tools when you have to design and develop the controls to make them work.) Without the help I got from Jack and Tony Drews I'm sure I would have had problems but the engine runs strong and we have 2 schools and 3 races on it so far. Still running strong. Have learned a lot in the process. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bartlett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6 t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun May 31 20:39:56 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> HI Gang - thanks Tony Here are the updated tabular results from both the MG and Triumph gang. Please keep in mind this is purely curiosity. I actually have my engines professionally built and am thankful for the results. Particularly on the A. A friend of mine started doing his engines and as so many said: It adds to the enjoyment for him, and saves on the pocket book if you have the time and inclination. So here goes: MGVR Racer Built 4 Pro Built 3 FOT Racer Built 13 Pro Built 3 Partial assembly or some times 2 I think the MGVR gang were hard at it in the garages this weekend getting ready for the Gold Cup. I am still at it - just taking a break before I button the A back up. So perhaps we will get some more responses a bit latter. Good luck to every one this season Bill Bartlett MGA Coupe 348 GT6 # unknown (Hopeful Fall Launch) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). If I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby. But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. I put together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. Of course, Kas's books are invaluable! I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too. But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. No knock to them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff to make sense, I think. - Tony Drews Quoting Bill Bartlett : > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun May 31 21:14:54 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:14:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> Message-ID: <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO [build my own]. Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot on too. Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a perfectionist it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On the other hand about the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the head because it's necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient. My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's where the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it right the first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and what I expect of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other year tear-down has worked. Each of three times now I've been able to find concerns before they became problems. One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a hole thru the cover or worse. Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.- I'm cheap but DO want to get it right. The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or inferior material I'll never know, but it was caught in time. On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A friend of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has been sending his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two seasons now and is now ready to go for every four races! If you can afford that, go for it. I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are on the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of patience and attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's not your thing, don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always have at least a bit more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having said that I will do as best I can to avoid The Big One. As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the BMO are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to the others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From kaskas at cox.net Sun May 31 22:26:23 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <036084C1825F400AA6E090017523BD13@KasPC> For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth. Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" ; "Bill Bartlett" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO [build > my own]. Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot on too. > Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a perfectionist > it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On the other hand about > the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the head because it's > necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient. > My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's where > the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it right the > first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and what I expect > of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other year tear-down has > worked. Each of three times now I've been able to find concerns before > they became problems. > One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was > getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a hole > thru the cover or worse. > Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see > astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.- I'm > cheap but DO want to get it right. > The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or inferior > material I'll never know, but it was caught in time. > On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A friend > of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has been sending > his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two seasons now and is > now ready to go for every four races! If you can afford that, go for it. > I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are on > the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of patience and > attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's not your thing, > don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always have at least a bit > more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having said that I will do as > best I can to avoid The Big One. > As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the BMO > are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to the > others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun May 31 22:59:38 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Its the end of the world as we know it Message-ID: <65f1eaba0905312159k38e78644v70b7ec5d0375ae7c@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Just a note from out here on the West Coast that you might want to stock up on water and dry food since the seventh sign of the apocalypse has just reared its ugly head. Last weekend we competed in our second 24 Hours of LeMons held at Reno-Fernley Raceway in our TR7. Despite having been purchased for $500 and with little (or no) work done to the car, it succeeded in finishing (again) the entire race with little difficulty. We finished 36th out of some 170 cars (we would have been in the top 20 but for a couple of crappy pit stops) and competed against several 944s, Mazda RX-7s, Miatas, BMWs and Alfas. The little Brit Shitbox just refused to die and was able to actually pass some much faster cars due to selective passing (tight corners with a downhill portion following) and strong doses of driver courage. A lot of vintage racers compete in Lemons, but do so in modern machinery (BMW, Honda, etc.). It felt good to do it in a Triumph. Some of you may recall that we led last year's race up until the middle of the second day so we are pleased with our performance to date. The old girl will race again in the California Lemons race in August with Chuck Gee, John Frymark, Alan Mizutani and Mike Bruner at the wheel. I encourage all of you to take a crack at a Lemons race near you since the spectacle is beyond your wildest imagination and its something to see some 200 cars on the track at the same time. Sleep well tonight knowing that the car that killed Triumph managed to atone (in part) for its dismal history and competed on equal footing against more modern and faster machinery. -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 31 23:39:49 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: <5FD5756BA9054EA8AAFB3BF0CAF68306@rocky> Message-ID: <20090601053948269.GXOI24335@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> > This has screwed me up in the past, when my ISP was > transmitting through his own domain name, another of his > clients was (purportedly) sending spam, so since my messages > were in the same IP address range they were getting blocked. Well, I left out some details. Basically, any responsible ISP should be willing to take action against their customers who are spammers. But some ISPs are "spam havens" and will not take action. If they had an abuse address registered, I usually reported the spam the first time, and only blocked them for a second offense. Also, since they were my filters (as opposed to my ISP), I could collect the spam and occasionally sift through it for possibly important messages. But I'll agree that no system is perfect. Randall From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Fri May 1 08:45:14 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Dinner Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A41B3F05@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Tim Suddart, Just a word of thanks for making the group 44 dinner happen. I sat beside Fred Gambel for dinner and had the most interesting chat re group 44, British Leyland (Fred was the Competition Director), Good year tire Co, the Cobra Racing efforts, Camoradi racing, tracks and characters from around the world. Wow - it was like talking to history! A truly memorable occasion. Good luck with the GT6 this weekend Hope to see you on the track Bill Bartlett (from the Mitty) Lotus 7 on track GT6 still in the home shop :) PS: I am giving my wife the Trophy Bob Tullius auctioned last evening for her Birthday tomorrow - I am sure she is going to love it! Ha PPS: if you make the Group 44 presentation available on DVD or the net I would like to put my hand up for a copy. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 1 11:55:29 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:55:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Final update on gearbox woes and understanding spouses In-Reply-To: <8523AB0383C140359BFDC368B635A772@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <576F5977FA084E21A17EFD4A0FB39311@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Once again, thanks to all for your help. Got all the bits back and will install soon. Turns out that the driveshaft was slightly out of balance and one of the driveshaft flanges was bent slightly. Keeping our fingers crossed - next test is a regional/national on Mothers Day weekend. I thank god my wife races also and understands these things we've got to do. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering [mailto:norlinengineering at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:57 PM To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Gearbox woes Thanks to all that responded. The driveshaft is at the specialists being gone through and rebalanced. I'm having a Spitfire housing bored out to accept the larger GT6 bearing. I'm also working on the design and fabrication of an external support bracket that will hopefully reduce some of the load on the casting. I am a bit concerned that I may be approaching a natural frequency on the driveshaft. The driveshaft specialist measured the length and diameter and said by his "rule of thumb" table, it should be good for 8500 rpm. However an engineer buddy of mine ran some numbers out and he thinks there may be a problem starting at around 7450 rpm. Even though I shift at 6800, I do hit close to 7500 in 4th gear when we run Portland without the chicane. What kind of maximum rpm are you Spitfire drivers taking the stock driveshaft to in 4th gear? Also, has anyone made up a custom shaft to help resolve this problem? Thanks Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of norlinengineering at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:30 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 1 20:08:22 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:08:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] A Kastner forum Message-ID: Hey Guys. I thought I'd spread an apparent secret to all of the Triumph faithful. DID you know that our guru Kas Kastner has a forum where he's endevouring to support the cause?? I have to suspect you don't cuz I NEVER see any of the FOT posting there. Has to be an oversight. So here's a link to bring the faithful to the source...http://kaskastnersforum.yuku.com/directory If the link doesn't work just do a Google for Kas Kastner Steve **************Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! 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I thought I'd spread an apparent secret to all of the Triumph faithful. DID you know that our guru Kas Kastner has a forum where he's endevouring to support the cause?? I have to suspect you don't cuz I NEVER see any of the FOT posting there. Has to be an oversight. So here's a link to bring the faithful to the source...http://kaskastnersforum.yuku.com/directory If the link doesn't work just do a Google for Kas Kastner Steve **************Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=htt p ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 2 17:31:11 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:31:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 5 12:18:21 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:18:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! Message-ID: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue May 5 11:14:39 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT denim shirts - 3 left from Watkins Glen Message-ID: <4A0073FF.3000103@bright.net> List, we have 3 unclaimed denim shirts left. These are XXL The proceeds from these last 3 are going to Mark Bradakis to help fund the team.net mailing list. These are a good quality, button down collar long sleeve denim shirt. If you know anyone who would be a candidate, please let me know. Shirt price is $35 ea plus postage. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From andre at gt6.ca Tue May 5 12:18:01 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> References: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Message-ID: <4362ae390905051118u749a238br1ed5fd7562baa576@mail.gmail.com> Nice... Very stable looking. A. 2009/5/2 : > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From KENMUN at aol.com Tue May 5 12:18:17 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:18:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires Message-ID: anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 wheels. thanks, ken m. **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) From Billb at bnj.com Tue May 5 12:44:45 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:44:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup, they're great. You need to dial a little camber in for them. They're sort of a half-way radial. 1.5 to 2 degrees works well. They also like a little more air than vintage TDs. On May 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote: > anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 > wheels. thanks, ken m. > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near > you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 5 14:17:29 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:17:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 5 14:23:28 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Message-ID: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 5 14:43:23 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:43:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: References: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <001e01c9cdc2$2584f5f0$708ee1d0$@com> COOL! The car got flames! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Munson Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:17 An: 'Mark J Bradakis'; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Arrgh! I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 5 15:49:18 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:49:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdc2$2584f5f0$708ee1d0$@com> Message-ID: Yeah, and I just came in from painting the wheels the same color as the roll cage. I will post some pictures as soon as the paint dries. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:43 PM To: 'Mike Munson'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: AW: [Fot] Arrgh! COOL! The car got flames! Chris Betreff: Re: [Fot] Arrgh! I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 5 14:54:34 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: Tim, You ask a very good question and I'd like to hear the responses. The websites list the 205 and 185 as the same diameter, with just the tread width difference. I have no problems at all with clearance but am I giving myself a little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? I run a TR4A IRS and the outsides of the tires have an easy life. I do get to flip them if I do it in time, but I am running on the inside half of the tire most of the time. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 5 15:39:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:39:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: <002301c9cdc9$f8f89110$eae9b330$@com> Hi, I use 205/60-15 on my 4. The fenders only have contact when I'm going through the Fuchsroehre at the Nurburging - a hard compression. But the tires have only light contact marks from this. I run -1.7 degree camber and thin 10mm spacers on the revolution wheels. On this photo you can see how the wheels are working at a corner: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/gallery/52/full/14723.jpg Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Kramer, Robert Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:55 An: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Tim, You ask a very good question and I'd like to hear the responses. The websites list the 205 and 185 as the same diameter, with just the tread width difference. I have no problems at all with clearance but am I giving myself a little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? I run a TR4A IRS and the outsides of the tires have an easy life. I do get to flip them if I do it in time, but I am running on the inside half of the tire most of the time. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Tue May 5 16:11:23 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A00B98B.5080803@pobox.com> Yes, we love them. KENMUN at aol.com wrote: > anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 > wheels. thanks, ken m. > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:19:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr Message-ID: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 5 16:21:34 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 2009, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Tim, [stuff deleted] > little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me > on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? The wider tire should allow you to get better turn-in and better corner speeds. That should translate to higher corner exit speeds and therefor higher speeds at the end of the straight. But then again, I'm not an engineer. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 16:22:05 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr In-Reply-To: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> References: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: <20090505222319.67F35187663@autox.team.net> Actually he is Jim Bauder of DCTRA (Desert Centre - Triumph Register of America). His newly restored TR250 is the default "theme" on our club's website. http://www.dctra.org :) At 03:19 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote: >thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH >EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend >Racer Bud >http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ >_______________________________________________ From john at race-dogs.com Tue May 5 16:29:20 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:29:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr References: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: <000301c9cdd0$ef1ce630$800101df@jawsxp> Nice Pics! What a weekend of great racing! We'll get them next year in the Challenge!! JW John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr > thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH > EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend > Racer Bud > http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=587CB27DF4.4381E From don at dcphotos.com Tue May 5 16:29:34 2009 From: don at dcphotos.com (Don Couch) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Message-ID: <848F759F-8D14-4CAB-B465-78D0F4B31CC5@dcphotos.com> Somebody posted one of my runs in my street Spitfire from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the fastest of the day in class. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx7ww7KcFxw From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:55:57 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 Message-ID: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> When the Speedsters first came out, I purchased a set of 185's for my TR4 #116. I noticed a decent improvement over the vintage TD's. I was concerned about hitting the fenders with 205's, but at Tony Garmey's suggestion, we went with a set of 205's and there have been no problems with clearance-front or back. Lap times did go down, but I cannot recall the magnitude of the drop. I did keep the 185's and borrowed Tony's grooving iron and converted the 185's to rain tires for the Pacific NW's climate. Have not had a chance to use them yet. My latest set of Speedster 205's are pretty well worn out (the speedsters do seem to wear quickly), so I ordered a set of Yokahama Advan 048's from Tire Rack. They did have 205/60 R 15's in stock. Will report after the SOVREN Spring Sprints, mid May,B on how the Yok's perform. John James #116 From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue May 5 17:07:14 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? Message-ID: The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly flat. If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also reground through the same source, do not rock when put to the same test. Can't us these because they were run with a different cam. Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue May 5 18:20:47 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr In-Reply-To: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: Great pictures thanks for posting them. Any idea who owns the Huffaker TR8 in the pictures, and should they be part of this list? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: May 5, 2009 6:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 5 18:58:28 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less troublesome to fit. If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that they have more grip... :) Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. - Tony At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with >spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on >some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like >they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have >more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct >rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. > > > >Tim & Ryan Murphy > >1961 TR4 #317 > > > >P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted >the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and >the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for >the Sport model. Very pleased. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 20:03:04 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:03:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? Message-ID: <20090506020357.916F0187645@autox.team.net> Mobile 1 has a new challenge to find out http://www.willyoubethe1.com/ From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 5 20:15:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:15:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? References: <20090506020357.916F0187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <21EA296C275D4ADB984BA9746907325D@Bud> Thanks David!..It is Fantastic...Young....Shootin' For the Stars Wonderful Stuff Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? > Mobile 1 has a new challenge to find out > > http://www.willyoubethe1.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 20:43:03 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Classified Ads on the site Message-ID: <20090506024408.A0315187644@autox.team.net> The following classifieds have been added to the DCTRA site... >TR-250 CC343LO Project Car 98% complete plus spares solid Az/CA car >Calif title Yellow (now primer)and Tan---72 spoke wires thousands of >dollars in new parts, rebuilt 0 hour engine, driveline, and >transmission (overdrive included not installed ) with a truck load >of spares, realistic offer would like to sell it in club-- Randy 602-377-8559 > >TR-5 Lucas Mechanical fuel injection complete with pump injectors >and hardware. 750.00 Randy 602-377-8559 > >TR3- Transmission condition unknown free to enthusiast 602-377-8559 > >68 GT6 engine complete all asscessories original from wreck >$100.00 Randy 602-377-8559 From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 6 00:12:39 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status Message-ID: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 6 01:05:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 In-Reply-To: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You will love the Yokos! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von jcjcarrera at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 00:56 An: fot at autoX.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 When the Speedsters first came out, I purchased a set of 185's for my TR4 #116. I noticed a decent improvement over the vintage TD's. I was concerned about hitting the fenders with 205's, but at Tony Garmey's suggestion, we went with a set of 205's and there have been no problems with clearance-front or back. Lap times did go down, but I cannot recall the magnitude of the drop. I did keep the 185's and borrowed Tony's grooving iron and converted the 185's to rain tires for the Pacific NW's climate. Have not had a chance to use them yet. My latest set of Speedster 205's are pretty well worn out (the speedsters do seem to wear quickly), so I ordered a set of Yokahama Advan 048's from Tire Rack. They did have 205/60 R 15's in stock. Will report after the SOVREN Spring Sprints, mid May,B on how the Yok's perform. John James #116 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 6 04:12:30 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 03:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status In-Reply-To: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> References: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <143443.18439.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think they spell Unix: Eunuchs ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 2:12:39 AM Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Wed May 6 07:51:31 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 6:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: <20090506095131.BIB38.2199542.root@mp16> > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 6:32:08 -0700 > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Group 44 and the Mitty > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys and great parts. > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more Group 44! > > All the best guys AND gals! > > Bobby Whitehead > CVAR GP2 / 53 Yellow / GT6+ From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 6 08:15:06 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: List Bobby Whitehead is right. This was an exceptional once in a lifetime experience. There was enormous support from the British Car Community and a lot of entertainment. My son, Mark, flew in from Minneapolis and we hung out with all of the best Triumph people. I also got a goodnight kiss from Susan, but under the watchful eye of Brad. Special thanks to Tim Suddard & Crew for all of the planning and execution. Additionally, en route, Mike Munson gave Steve Benford and I, a personal tour of the Corvette Assembly facilities and tickets to the newly redone Corvette Museum. We stayed through to the last race on Sunday... Now playing catchup and preparing for another trip starting May 15th.....F-1 at Monaco....another once in a lifetime experience made possible by the best of the Triumph community, from offshore. We also missed a few people we expected to see at The Mitty. Next time. Regards, Joe A > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung > out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and > Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys > and great parts. > > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake > for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands > of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. > Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and > I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a > TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda > been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from > Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the > Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius > at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members > at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. > Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last > place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, > I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from > Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been > 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. > Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more > Group 44! > > > > All the best guys AND gals! > > > > Bobby Whitehead From GRMTim at aol.com Wed May 6 09:28:19 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:28:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the fun begins all over again on April 3oth next year. We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our highest priority. We have it fixed now. I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will most likely drag it to Portland as well. In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep me busy for a few months. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221827510x1201399090/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) From billbab at gmail.com Wed May 6 10:04:10 2009 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441280C1-A4C9-445D-AB9F-A0945564F0DD@bnj.com> Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much work that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last time we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the All Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to break it to her. Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderful time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a great event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren't racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there's the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won't be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey this year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the fun > begins > all over again on April 3oth next year. > > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our > highest priority. We have it fixed now. > > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will most > likely drag > it to Portland as well. > > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep me > busy > for a few months. > > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From smockracer at charter.net Wed May 6 10:20:33 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Frank Daley has a new address DALEY1029 at roadrunner.com and would like tobe back on the FOT list. Thanks Paul Smock #190 From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 6 14:03:52 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> More tire, more grip, better acceleration, better cornering and even more important, BETTER BRAKING. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Tim Murphy" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters >I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance >isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and >while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel >offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that >the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less >troublesome to fit. > > If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that > they have more grip... :) > > Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. > > - Tony > > At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >>What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >>The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with >>spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on >>some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look >>like >>they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >>noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have >>more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct >>rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. >> >> >> >>Tim & Ryan Murphy >> >>1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> >>P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >>South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he >>mounted >>the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and >>the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for >>the Sport model. Very pleased. >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Wed May 6 14:35:49 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:35:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> Message-ID: <4362ae390905061335w52cb9bdfw4f921f21a1890231@mail.gmail.com> Don't you mean more BREAKING :) hehe. A. 2009/5/6 Kas Kastner : > More tire, more grip, better acceleration, better cornering and even more > important, BETTER BRAKING. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Tim Murphy" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters > > >> I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance >> isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and >> while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel >> offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that >> the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less >> troublesome to fit. >> >> If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that >> they have more grip... :) >> >> Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. >> >> - Tony >> >> At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >>> >>> What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >>> The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels >>> with >>> spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed >>> on >>> some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look >>> like >>> they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >>> noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may >>> have >>> more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the >>> correct >>> rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim & Ryan Murphy >>> >>> 1961 TR4 #317 >>> >>> >>> >>> P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >>> South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he >>> mounted >>> the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts >>> and >>> the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card >>> for >>> the Sport model. Very pleased. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 6 15:09:18 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A01FC7E.4080702@pobox.com> Oh, you may start something here. We've argued about this in the past (see for example thread - www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00206.html). What is dead flat? Most lifters have a very slight crown. Usually, 50 to 100 inch radius of curvature, which is about 0.001 to 0.002 in across the lifter. The reason for this is to insure that the lifter does not contact the side edge of the cam. e.g. due to misalignment or cock of the lifter in the bore. Some people might call this dead flat. Most camshaft lobes are also tapered. The reason for this is to promote rotation of the lifter. The lobe taper must be matched to the offset of the lifter bores relative to the cam lobes. Here is a picture of the usual arrangement - http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/LifterGeom.gif If your lobes are not tapered, you should be able to run flat lifters as long as your alignment is dead nuts (love that machinist lingo). I would run lifters with a slight crown. And now we should be hearing from Bill Babcock and Chris Marx. Larry Young Scott Janzen wrote: > The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, > tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly > flat. If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost > imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. > The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also > reground through the same source, do not rock when put to the same > test. Can't us these because they were run with a different cam. > Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently > reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be > dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 17:05:59 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: <20090506095131.BIB38.2199542.root@mp16> Message-ID: Bobby, Sorry I didn't get to meet you and Gary. I was right there hanging with the 6pack guys but I didn't let them influence me. (I was the one standing around with a bottle of water in his hand laughing at their antics). The Tribute and Toast we had to Uncle Jack was touching and fun. The single Malt was a little strong to me so I choked on it. Shaun Tarleton is the sticker guy in Atlanta. Do you need his contact info? I can make a call and get his number. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys and great parts. > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more Group 44! > > All the best guys AND gals! > > Bobby Whitehead > CVAR GP2 / 53 Yellow / GT6+ From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 17:24:40 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status In-Reply-To: <143443.18439.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They should be Eunuchs so they don't contribute to the gene pool. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:13 AM To: Mark J Bradakis; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Team.Net status I think they spell Unix: Eunuchs From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed May 6 17:06:00 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? References: <4A01FC7E.4080702@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2F9714AE4FED4470932AE8EEBDBC89AE@LatitudeD530> I think of it as Dead Nuts On or "DNO, Daddy-O" as some have been known to mutter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Scott Janzen" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? > Oh, you may start something here. We've argued about this in the past (see > for example thread - > www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00206.html). > > What is dead flat? Most lifters have a very slight crown. Usually, 50 to > 100 inch radius of curvature, which is about 0.001 to 0.002 in across the > lifter. The reason for this is to insure that the lifter does not contact > the side edge of the cam. e.g. due to misalignment or cock of the lifter > in the bore. Some people might call this dead flat. > > Most camshaft lobes are also tapered. The reason for this is to promote > rotation of the lifter. The lobe taper must be matched to the offset of > the lifter bores relative to the cam lobes. > > Here is a picture of the usual arrangement - > http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/LifterGeom.gif > > If your lobes are not tapered, you should be able to run flat lifters as > long as your alignment is dead nuts (love that machinist lingo). I would > run lifters with a slight crown. > > And now we should be hearing from Bill Babcock and Chris Marx. > > Larry Young > > > Scott Janzen wrote: >> The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, >> tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly flat. >> If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost >> imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. >> The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also reground >> through the same source, do not rock when put to the same test. Can't >> us these because they were run with a different cam. >> Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently >> reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be >> dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 6 17:10:20 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gingerman school and race last weekend Message-ID: <000c01c9ce9f$d46572b0$7d305810$@com> This was a VSCDA event. I did the school on Friday and the race weekend Saturday & Sunday with our TR4. Ryan crewed for me. We ran 12 sessions total, 6 on Friday, 4 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday including the 15 lap feature race. The car ran flawlessly. The only thing Ryan had to do, in addition to checking things over between sessions, was add about a = quart of oil and gas. We were the only Triumph there. I had a good school and by the 6th session, a short race for the students, I finally got the hang of it. I had some good racing with the AH Sprites. There were 2 Sprites in the school and 5 in our group for Saturday and Sunday. When my tires had good grip I could keep with the Sprites in the twisty part and get them on the straights. Had some really good racing with a 1972 BMW 2002 on Sunday. We passed and re-passed each other about 3 times. I think we upheld the honor of the Triumph Marque. I had a lot of trouble with turn 3; had 4 off there 3 times in the weekend. One time I got into the sand trap and stopped about 10 feet from the tire wall. Had to be towed out. Very grateful for the sand! And, its a lot easier to clean out of the car than the kitty litter. Cold and some rain on Friday for the school. We had rain and a wet track for our practice starts. Just about everybody either went off or spun. I kept it on the track with a couple of slides that I was able to catch and one small tank slapper that I caught. Good experience. Saturday and Sunday were great weather, sunny, cool and some breeze. All in all, a fantastic weekend. In Saturdays timed practice I was within a second of Ryans best time from last year so I figured I was in the ball park. In the race Sunday, my best time and Ryans best time at Gingerman were within 1/10th of each other, 1:51.5 or so. Were thinking thats about what the car can do with the shaved street tires (Yokohama AVS ES100 in 195/60R15) weve been running to get some seat time and do the schools. Were ready for some race tires now, hence the question about the Speedsters in an earlier post. Tim Murphy From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 19:52:48 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:52:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Shauns email and tel# Message-ID: Shawns contact info. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 _____ From: Ashford Little [mailto:70tr6 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: Shauns email and tel# Shawn Tarleton shawn74tr6 at hotmail.com 404-457-9022 You ma brothah by another motha Ashford Little 70tr6 at comcast.net On May 6, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Mike Munson wrote: Can ya help a brotha out? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 19:57:17 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:57:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: <20090506204552.XGI30.2239735.root@mp13> Message-ID: Yeah ... 6 cylinders on top fuel alcohol! Yeah ... the 6pack guys were hittin' on all 6 cylinders... Bobby ----> Shaun Tarleton is the sticker guy in Atlanta. Do you need his contact info? > I can make a call and get his number. > Mike > http://www.triumphowners.com/135 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed May 6 20:58:14 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Message-ID: <001101c9cebf$ae4b0fc0$6401a8c0@blake1> I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed May 6 21:28:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross References: <001101c9cebf$ae4b0fc0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu May 7 10:12:28 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Photo Message-ID: A good while ago, some FoTer posted a link to a photograph of a purple (I'm color-blind, so it might be blue) squaretail Spitfire #44 in the paddock at Summit Point. It was taken in the 70s. Two men are posing with it and I think one is Ferstenau (sp?). I don't remember where the photo was posted. Can anyone tell me: Where is this photo posted? Is this the same #44 purple Squaretail Spitfire that was at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point this past weekend? Any more info about this car. Curious, John H. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 7 10:51:34 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes Message-ID: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu May 7 11:59:21 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:59:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes Message-ID: I am running the TSI Kevlar shoes. They are glued & braded. Very pleased with them. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 7 14:26:30 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes In-Reply-To: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> References: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> Message-ID: I suppose I'm not a help, I run Lucas brake shoes. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tim Murphy Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Betreff: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Thu May 7 14:47:15 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:47:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: Thanks, we will see what happens for a west coast swing. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 5/6/09 12:04:33 PM, billbab at gmail.com writes: > Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much workB > that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last timeB > we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the AllB > Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to breakB > it to her. > > Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderfulB > time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a greatB > event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren'tB > racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there'sB > the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won'tB > be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. > > I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey thisB > year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. > > > On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the funB > > begins > > all over again on April 3oth next year. > > > > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our > > highest priority. We have it fixed now. > > > > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will mostB > > likely drag > > it to Portland as well. > > > > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep meB > > busy > > for a few months. > > > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > ************** Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu May 7 14:47:24 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes References: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> Message-ID: <030f01c9cf55$06fd1970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I have Teds kevlar rear lining on the TR6; they seem fine. I also went with 7/8 diameter rear cylinders for more rear braking. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes > What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace > the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or > Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. > > > > Tim & Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 7 15:13:35 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:13:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty References: Message-ID: <98C8F77AFA504FDFB110279791048AE5@Bud> Infineon would be a great venue..and would give people a chance to Enjoy our Sonoma/Napa wine country, as well as San Francisco. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty > Thanks, we will see what happens for a west coast swing. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > In a message dated 5/6/09 12:04:33 PM, billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much workB >> that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last timeB >> we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the AllB >> Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to breakB >> it to her. >> >> Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderfulB >> time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a greatB >> event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren'tB >> racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there'sB >> the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won'tB >> be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. >> >> I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey thisB >> year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. >> >> >> On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: >> >> > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the funB >> > begins >> > all over again on April 3oth next year. >> > >> > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our >> > highest priority. We have it fixed now. >> > >> > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will mostB >> > likely drag >> > it to Portland as well. >> > >> > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep meB >> > busy >> > for a few months. >> > >> > >> > Tim Suddard >> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports >> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines >> > www.classicmotorsports.net >> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com >> > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ************** > Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at > $449! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 7 20:37:52 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c9cf85$fd1b13e0$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks Bolb! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:29 PM To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 7 20:37:59 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c9cf86$005186c0$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks Bolb! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:29 PM To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Thu May 7 20:18:09 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kramers... you mean Kramer spawned? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090507221809.WDGZW.2299442.root@mp07> Bob ... the pleasure of you watching you son, even though it was only one day at TWS was delightlful! Watching you flutter around over YOUR car as you prepared your son to go the driving school in it ...... priceless! Only should reason that you should have a son that could naturally drive as good as his old man.... See ya'll at Eagles Canyon ???? Bobby Glenn Whitehead Jr GP2 CVAR #53 Yellow GT6+ From igofaster at charter.net Thu May 7 20:58:36 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Impressions of Group 44 and Bob Tullius In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090507225836.H7FJR.2301892.root@mp07> I felt compelled to write about my impressions of the Mitty this year in Atlanta. My friend Gary Fuqua suggested we go last year at one of the CVAR events. We shortly considered bringing our race cars, but the Mitty is a big event and we felt for first timers we should not be drivers, only spectators. That's not to say Fuqua didn't drive his 1979 MGB 1600 miles from Bransom to Atlanta and back. Only a minor stop at the airport so he could pick me up, pop the hood, re-attach the leads on the thermostat and Nascar Tape my suitcase to the luggage rack and drive 58 miles in Atlanta traffic to our Holiday Inn... sweeet... Thursday night, all the Group 44 cars were lined up by the event arena for the Grassroots 25th evening. We were to witness the story telling of Bob Tillius and his history from him and his dignitaries. Group 44, 40th Anniversary weekend. I was impassioned by Bob and his overall complacency he had with the cars. He raced them all and raced them well. To me, it seemed they were merely tools he used to get where he really wanted to be, flying. We as fellow enthusiasts adore and love our cars for the heritage these cars represent. We're emotionally involved with our cars because of the legacy of a driver and owner like Bob Tullius who was less in love with the cars, but more determined to use them as tools to get where he really wanted to be... flying. It is because of his determination and hard nosed work ethic, that he made these cars do what he wanted them to do. On several cases, particularly with the Group 44 GT6 which I was around for several hours, he commented , these weren't really good cars to race. They had their weaknesses, especially with on the tail of the XKE V12, the XKS, and the GTP car... THEY were vastly improved cars over the Triumphs. But, he made the Triumphs work for him, and that is what is truly special for us as enthusiasts. Bob Tullius created our passion for Triumphs way before most of us knew what Triumphs really were. Isn't that what is great though? If it weren't the likes of Tullius, and others obviously, making these cars do what they really weren't designed to do, and being successful at it... isn't that where some of our true love has come from for the Triumphs? Even though we may not have known it all along, it's a great story, and it only intensifies my love for the cars. Triumph .... seems kind of prophetical doesn't it? Bobby Whitehead CVAR Triumph GT6+ From igofaster at charter.net Fri May 8 11:08:13 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner and Triumph In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090508130813.YHU9S.2357224.root@mp16> My little late night essay was not in the spirit of taking any credit away from anybody. We as FoT guys and gals know the direct input Kas had with Triumph, as mentioned in my diatribe. I'm sure Kas however had a much kinder approach than Bob Tullius... Nobody ever said his was an ass to work for but the underlying tone was all of his crew had to tolerate him, as he was... ahem... determined to win. I, as a novice, didn't really know the history of Bob Tullius before we went to Atlanta last week. Kas, however, I've known of for 20 years, and his involvement with FoT is stellar. I believe Kas loves the cars if I were guessing... Tullius...not so much. We're going racing next weekend... Bob Kramer says we've got 5 Triumphs at Eagles Canyon.. I'm gonna have Barbra drive up her TR6 if Becca doesn't birth my first grandchild that weekend... that'll be SIX Triumphs in the paddock at Eagles Canyon. Be good to yourself, Bobby Whitehead From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri May 8 12:52:48 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:52:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Message-ID: From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 15:15:55 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VICTORY at the Jefferson 500! In-Reply-To: <989896773.7941191241817203357.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1421181467.7942341241817355890.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Fellow FoTrs, Triumph at Summit Point!B With excellent technical support and sage advice from fellow FOTrs Dr. John Herrera, Craig Wensley and Russ Moore, our 1963 Triumph Spitfire #393 won the LOLA CUP in the VRG Jefferson 500, sponsored byB Brian Redman, this past weekend at Summit Point, placing 1st overall inB Sunday's rain-soakedB feature!B B After a full day test session on the previous Thursday chasing chassis alignment, we went out for the first session of qualifying Friday, mounted the rains in anticipation ofB wet conditionsB only to find a quickly-drying track (where's the rain when you want it?)B so were quite happy in qualifying 3rd out of 37 on now-chunked-up rains.B Friday's second qualifying session saw us sitting on the grid at the 5 minute signal on dry tires when itB proceeded to pour bucketsB (where's the sun when you want it?).B The Friday morning session times held accordingly and I started the Saturday (dry) race 3rd, where I battled with traffic for 15 laps to finish a close 3rd behind a very quick Lotus 11 driven by Baxter Phillips, first,B andB the two-time SCCA National Championship-winning 948 Bugeye Sprite, driven by the Champion himself, Ray Stone, second.B No questions arose about what tires to choose Sunday - it literally poured all day.B Now starting second due to the Lotus' withdrawl due to the monsoon conditions, the Sprite and I had a blast!B B Ray held me off into turn 1 at the start and pulled out about 100 yardsB while I acclimated to the rivers on the track, visibility through the spray, the tiresB (finally wet tires on a wet track, what a concept!) and fog on my visor (biggest challenge of all) - and had an absolute ball!B It took several laps to to feel confident enough to press for the lead rather than settle for second - soB on lap 8 of 10, I dove to the inside of turn 1 at the end of Summit's long front straight - Ray moved to the right ensuring I would have to sail through a lake to take the corner, which I was able to do - and we exited door-handle to door-handle and continued that way through turn 2 into Wagonbend - the very fast left-handerB and I had the speed and line to take that corner, with the correct approach line far right, and then was able then to pull out a 4 second gap to the checker, recording the fastest race lap by 4.5 seconds!!!!B B The Hoosier rains were utterly fantastic in the drenching conditions allowing veryB close racing with an experienced, professional competitor, which made the day completely satisfying.B First overall win for the team, the car ran superbly, thanks to John, Craig and Russ, and best of all it was the very first crew experience for my 20 year-old daughter Leah, who now knows exactly the color of the bug which has been biting Dad all these years!B We also have the in-car ChaseCam video to re-live, and it is superb!B I give the weekend a ten out of ten!!!B Bring on the rain!!!! Steve Groh #393 '63 SpitfireB B From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 15:42:14 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Message-ID: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B Anyone know why this would happen???? Steve Groh From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 8 15:49:00 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Message-ID: In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: > Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B > > Anyone know why this would happen???? > > LUCAS Key Board. Bill (Damdinger) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=May5509AvgfooterNO115) From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 8 15:49:57 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You aren't by any chance using a MAC, are you? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sgroh1 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:42 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B Anyone know why this would happen???? Steve Groh Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 16:04:34 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net > writes: > > >> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >> 500.B >> Anyone know why this would happen???? >> > > > LUCAS Key Board. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May5509AvgfooterNO115 > ) From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 8 16:52:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:52:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> References: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> I-Phone is made by Apple and that might explain it. I don't have any familiarity with the product but I'd guess that they use the same sort of UNIX type of text system as their computers do, so it is definitely a possibility. If you can send the messages in plain text (as opposed to HTML or other format) that may resolve the issue. I have seen this anomaly in several messages that have come across the team.net server in the past few months. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Groh Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net > writes: > > >> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >> 500.B >> Anyone know why this would happen???? >> > > > LUCAS Key Board. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May550 9AvgfooterNO115 > ) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 8 17:02:58 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blue Spitfire Message-ID: <0EFEAA1D0585426292DBF5E7C7EF3867@hp532n> Somebody was looking for this link and I just ran across it...... http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/triumph/1187755735/1187755735pp.htm From Billb at bnj.com Fri May 8 18:49:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> References: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I've seen this in a few of my messages recently--ones not sent from my iPhone but from my mac. No idea what it is. On May 8, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I-Phone is made by Apple and that might explain it. I don't have any > familiarity with the product but I'd guess that they use the same > sort of > UNIX type of text system as their computers do, so it is definitely a > possibility. If you can send the messages in plain text (as opposed > to HTML > or other format) that may resolve the issue. > > I have seen this anomaly in several messages that have come across the > team.net server in the past few months. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Steven Groh > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:05 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > > That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > sgroh1 at comcast.net >> writes: >> >> >>> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >>> 500.B >>> Anyone know why this would happen???? >>> >> >> >> LUCAS Key Board. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> >> >> ************** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May550 > 9AvgfooterNO115 >> ) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 20:43:33 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? References: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: No, MS Word 2007 - the iPhone is fine..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; "'fot'" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > You aren't by any chance using a MAC, are you? > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sgroh1 at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:42 PM > To: fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > > Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B > Anyone know why this would happen???? > > > > Steve Groh > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 10:18:50 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 9:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My photos of Group 44 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509121850.T4SKM.2404534.root@mp20> I've posted my Group 44 photos on photo bucket.... http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv286/1970TriumphGT6/ let me know your favorite! yes , that's me and Bob Tullius by the Triumph GT6 Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 18:23:32 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:23:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] lanocharacing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509202332.WH0AO.2389775.root@mp12> This guys TR8 was in the hotel parking lot at the Mitty.... hold on fella's !!! http://www.lanocharacing.com/ Bobby Whitehead From dave at microworks.net Sat May 9 19:50:18 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Had to share... Message-ID: <20090510015114.01D5018789B@autox.team.net> http://www.davesdroppings.com/?p=442 Should make me fast in the racecar not having to carry around that extra 40 lbs. From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 20:42:40 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead From GRMTim at aol.com Sun May 10 07:25:01 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:25:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Message-ID: Well, I am here. I think Dennis Day is here. Carey is here. Russell Tullius is here and his dad still has a GTP car. I don't think Bill Warner or Henry Wilkinson are here. They account for three of the cars. JK Jackson has a TR6. I think he lurks. Tom Jackson has the Midget. Andrew Moore and Bob Boller have Jags. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 5/9/09 10:43:14 PM, igofaster at charter.net writes: > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=May51009AvgfooterNO62) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun May 10 08:06:49 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> Message-ID: How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? Paul http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun May 10 08:09:14 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guess I didn't read far enough "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a Trimuph TR4A." Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? Paul http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun May 10 11:56:34 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:56:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob's first championship was ith the TR4, then in EP, in 1962. Second was EP in '63. Then DP championship in '64. Mike Cook > From: macdonaldp at rogers.com > To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 > CC: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > Guess I didn't read far enough > > "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. > He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production > class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a > Trimuph TR4A." > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM > To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? > > Paul > > http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun May 10 17:04:25 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] For sale: uncle jack's 1971 street TR-6 Message-ID: <20090510230444.1AAB7187642@autox.team.net> As part of handling my late father's estate, we are selling his lovingly cared for 1971 Triumph TR-6. Information here: http://www.tonydrews.com/UncleJackTR6/Uncle_Jack_TR6.htm Thanks, Tony Drews From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun May 10 18:09:38 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> References: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> Message-ID: <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> Bobby, I've owned 2 plus one of the Lee Mueller "west coast" cars. Ted Bobby Whitehead wrote: > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 10 18:23:10 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Message-ID: I can attest to Teds Spitfire...I was at his first drivers school then ,with my Mini....Rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon May 11 00:58:50 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 02:58:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Titanium Valve Spring Caps for TR6 Message-ID: Does anyone have any recommendations for a supplier of Titanium Valve Spring Caps for the TR6? Thank You all. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon May 11 15:54:53 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:54:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mark Joslyn Message-ID: I just received word that Mark Joslyn passed away on Saturday after a long Illness. Mark was something of a fixture in the the Triumph community. He was one of the original organizers of the Champaign British Car Festival in Champaigne Illinois. His passion for the marque (particularly Triumph Vitesses) and for life will be missed. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 12 08:32:55 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dolomite Sprint Distributor cap wanted Message-ID: Any one out there have one of these they would like to part with? I need the one for the Sprint which is different than the TR7 model in that the leads screw into the side rather than plug into the top. The TR7 style fits but I'm having difficulty making the leads clear the intake manifold. ......................Cheers Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 12 11:54:18 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> References: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> Message-ID: <70DB7930-5440-4C4C-8478-173CB6BCFAD1@earthlink.net> I've got the TR3 with group 44 history, When the TR4's became competitive, Furstenau sold the Group 44 TR3. Not sure who bought it but My dad, Mike Belfer bought it from that guy. It was raced in the midwest for many seasons until it was flipped at Blackhawk farms with my uncle behind the wheel. A big lumpy tree root near turn 4 was in the grass just off the pavement and and a small "off" put this root in the path of the front wheel. The car was wrecked and my uncle suffered a broken arm. The group 44 tr3 was then taken apart, and a new frame was purchased from Triumph, I guess they had a frame in the warehouse in NY that was sold just as any other part number. (It was the last one.) My current racecar, built up somewhere between '69 and '71, used this frame, and whatever parts survived from the Group 44 TR3. Various body panels, susp pieces, engine parts were used. The car has been raced ever since. I was only a kid at the time (Born in 1968) I was always told that this was the Group 44 TR3 but my dad took great pride in the Group 44 connection and stretched the truth just a little ; ) The car was fast and always ran at the front of the pack. It was also super reliable and we always spent time hanging around having fun at the track and I can not recall ever pulling the head or doing engine work at the track. ~Steve Belfer From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 11 11:35:37 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:35:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, around 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season figured it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was still on the shaft and tightened it up. Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there either. We decided to put it back together. Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out when the flywheel was loose and banging around. My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three problems? Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other suggestions? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit race car 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars 70 GT6 From markvaden at gmail.com Tue May 12 14:26:40 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza Message-ID: <285b8a860905121326m5ac13537ib70d812c4d5b0d42@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Here is the first 10 minutes of the Group 1 qualifying race from British Extravaganza event a couple of weekends ago. This race had nearly 60 cars, so it was really crowded. I was working on various car issues, so I did not notice a camera cable was a little loose, so there is some interference during the video, but it still came out ok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU8fWTspWOE Enjoy, Mark From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 12 15:04:35 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Questions Message-ID: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> Are we blocked out ? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 11 16:02:18 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Not quite Triumph material - 24 hours of Lemons in Stafford, CT. Message-ID: Ok, so there is zero triumph material in this other than the car is in the same garage as my TR6 and GT6...And if we have enough fun, we're going to race a GT6 next race. Mostly for the folks in the Northeast, but anyone else who happens to have interest, 'sponsorship' connections, publicity connections, or just plain wants to laugh at us... My insane college/post college companions and myself are putting together an effort ( heretofore known as the Knights Who Say Ni-ssan) to race in this year's 24 hours of LeMons event being held in Stafford Springs Ct. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/events/neweng09/ We have one goal. Finish. We strive not to be beaten by our own equipment. Especialy not our own equipment weilded by our team mates or spouses. My wife has been eyeing the 6' steel pry bar a lot of late however... Anything beyond that is considered gravy. The team consists of one seasoned SCCA club racer, two seasoned autocrossers, and two car nuts. We're looking for folks to help round out the team. We need all the groupies and hangers on we can gather of course, but a few folks with mechanical ability as well might prove to be of some help. Given that our sixth driver flaked out over the weekend, siting a desire to spend time with his family or some other such nonsense, we are particularly looking for some chump, er, qualified individual who would be interested in the position of driver #6. Someone who can contribute some modicum of driving ability, experience or at least interest, the deep seated desire to actually finish 15 hours of racing with 5 other sweaty, overweight, bleary eyed whack jobs and the financial wherewithal to help contribute to getting the untested steel steed, a tired old Nissan 200SX, out onto the track in the next 8 weeks. Oh, and a decent knowledge of Monty Python helps. A bonus if you can recite the entire Spam skit. To yourself. Silently. Every time. Team meetings are usually Saturdays (from about 10 - 5) at my house in Sunny Troy NY where we are in the process of making said car ready to go. Get hold of me if you're interested in any role, even as a hanger on. Or if you know someone who can send us SX200 parts, T shirts, or empty SPAM cans to patch up the rust holes. We're even willing to take on a few 'real' sponsors. The challenge before us... http://gallery.bithose.com/main.php?g2_itemId=20160 Thanks! Bob From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon May 11 11:58:56 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <4A086760.6040204@bright.net> Last call for parts to Import Carlisle. Hello list. Sorry to bug you but if anyone needs something brought to Import Carlisle, we need to know. Loading on Tuesday. Leaving very early Thursday morning and arriving Carlisle late afternoon. Our space numbers are E64 and E65. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 12 16:29:43 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] JE Pistons Message-ID: <611046243.7287601242167383935.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Will the FoT member interested in my three ( 3 ) "like new" JE pistons please contact me off-line. Thanks jcjcarrera at comcast.net From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 12 16:35:05 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Message-ID: <151270747.7289851242167705994.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Getting ready to paint the engine compartment and trunk of my street 67 4A, "new white" color. The paint supplier said it would be helpful if we knew the name of the manufacturer of the original paint. Any ideas out there in FoT land as to where I might look up this info? Thanks, John James #116 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue May 12 18:06:31 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc Message-ID: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Question for the group  what is the diameter of a stock TR4 clutch disc? Reason I ask is I just ordered a new Borg & Beck (I thought) clutch disc from The Roadster Factory which arrived today. It looked larger than the disc I just had in the car and when I measured the diameter it was 5/8 wider. The extra width will not allow it to marry up to the pressure plate I have been using. The TRF clutch disc measures 9 1/8 in diameter and the friction material is 1 1/2  wide. I compared the pressure plate and clutch disc to what I had just removed from the car with two older sets I had on the shelf, one Borg & Beck set and on LUK set. Both of these sets are the same size as the set I recently removed from my TR4. All these clutch discs measure 8 = in diameter with the friction material 1 < wide. I checked the TRF catalog and based on their listing, I ordered the correct part (116638) number and that number is on the box the new disc came in. In addition, the TRF disc is too wide to use with my new Joe Alexander lightweight flywheel but all the other clutch discs fit perfectly. So something is amiss which I will clarify with TRF tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have any info that will help determine what it is TRF sent me? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon May 11 10:23:55 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:23:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> Don't forget the ford in the 12 hour or was it a 6 hour Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Bob's first championship was ith the TR4, then in EP, in 1962. Second was EP in '63. Then DP championship in '64. Mike Cook > From: macdonaldp at rogers.com > To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 > CC: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > Guess I didn't read far enough > > "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. > He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production > class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a > Trimuph TR4A." > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM > To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? > > Paul > > http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 12 19:35:28 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:35:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Universal truths Message-ID: <4A0A23E0.1060907@bradakis.com> I love computers. I never told a lie in my life. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 12 20:43:33 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Message-ID: <6e8f7c7d$10f6f4eb$7aaf2371$@com> John, in the Moss catalog next to the TR4 frame section they show paint codes and explain some on older paints. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Getting ready to paint the engine compartment and trunk of my street 67 4A, "new white" color. The paint supplier said it would be helpful if we knew the name of the manufacturer of the original paint. Any ideas out there in FoT land as to where I might look up this info? Thanks, John James #116 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 12 20:59:33 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Questions References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> Message-ID: <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> Bradakis put a note up a few days ago, something about changing ISPs and the team.net lists would be intermittent for a short bit. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Questions > Are we blocked out ? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:08:14 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> References: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> Message-ID: <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 12 21:11:48 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> Message-ID: <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. Sorry to hit the list with this but...... Bob Kramer Austin, TX From malaboge at aol.com Tue May 12 22:00:09 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc In-Reply-To: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Gary- Sounds like you got a TR3 clutch disc....its 1/2" wider than the TR4 at 9" versus 8.5" for the TR4...I assume it fits the splines? Often oversized on the friction myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 5:06 pm Subject: [Fot] clutch disc Hello: Question for the group  what is the diameter of a stock TR4 clutch disc? Reason I ask is I just ordered a new Borg & Beck (I thought) clutch disc from The Roadster Factory which arrived today. It looked larger than the disc I just had in the car and when I measured the diameter it was 5/8 wider. The extra width will not allow it to marry up to the pressure plate I have been using. The TRF clutch disc measures 9 1/8 in diameter and the friction material is 1 1/2  wide. I compared the pressure plate and clutch disc to what I had just removed from the car with two older sets I had on the shelf, one Borg & Beck set and on LUK set. Both of these sets are the same size as the set I recently removed from my TR4. All these clutch discs measure 8 = in diameter with the friction material 1 < wide. I checked the TRF catalog and based on their listing, I ordered the correct part (116638) number and that number is on the box the new disc came in. In addition, the TRF disc is too wide to use with my new Joe Alexander lightweight flywheel but all the other clutch discs fit perfectly. So something is amiss which I will clarify with TRF tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have any info that will help determine what it is TRF sent me? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue May 12 22:46:09 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:46:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> Message-ID: <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they realized I really would!! On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of > my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins > Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it > was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of > times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to > straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. > > Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they > were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the > later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the > dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. > > Sorry to hit the list with this but...... > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 13 00:28:13 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never would torque up a flywheel without loctite. I use the standard bolts that came from Triumph with the car, torque them up to the amount the company wants me and never had any problem. As the flywheel bolts are short they are not stretch bolts. If you use grease on the threads then use also a securing ring or tabs to prevent the bolts from rotating. I don't know what happened first. I can imagine two cases: 1. harmonic damper came loose and made the flywheel wobbling what has stretched the flywheel bolts 2. the flywheel bolts came loose and this vibration had loosen the harmonic damper However make certain to prevent the bolts from coming loose. Just tighten them is not enough from my opinion. The distributor rotor might have been killed from the vibration that occurred and has for sure saved the engine. The dumm thing is that your crank might be exhausted and might break in short future. Should be replaced. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von George Harmuth Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 19:36 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, around 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season figured it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was still on the shaft and tightened it up. Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there either. We decided to put it back together. Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out when the flywheel was loose and banging around. My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three problems? Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other suggestions? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit race car 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars 70 GT6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bfeken at copper.net Wed May 13 02:07:31 2009 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] close ratio gearsets Message-ID: <005301c9d3a1$de2ff4d0$905bfb48@keng> For those that requested them, The close ratio gearsets for Tr3-Tr6 are beginning to arrive, Ken British frame & Engine 626-443-0939 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 13 05:53:57 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:53:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT/now KASTNER'S SEBRING TR4s In-Reply-To: <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBA1D8A176F03A-1198-20F3@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> it appears that we have two Sebring TR4s identified. i forgot to ask Tullius about the third one. still an open question. thanks?? joe a? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: Craig Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net; igofaster at charter.net Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 13 06:15:54 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: ....and in the big scheme of things I'm OK with it. I could never repay all the FOT value that I have received over the years. If somebody is getting good use of it then it is in a good place. I have a ratty old TR4 racecar that I am going to put right for my son to drive and I don't want to buy another one if that one is coming back. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:46 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they realized I really would!! On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of > my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins > Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it > was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of > times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to > straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. > > Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they > were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the > later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the > dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. > > Sorry to hit the list with this but...... > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 13 06:56:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:56:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc In-Reply-To: <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> References: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: The smaller disc started with the 4A; the TR4 used the same larger plate as the TR3. Randall with a 4A clutch in a 3A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 13 08:03:05 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:03:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC><8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky><3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: <12FD7CE8DF0E4199A4D509FDE69EB512@Charly> Bill, Front brake rotors came from me a couple of years ago at the Historics in Kent. Don't know about the rest though. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor >I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never >saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made >spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks >that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some >other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they >realized I really would!! > > > On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of my >> spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins Glen, but >> my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it was there or >> another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of times now. This >> time I forgot all about it until I decided to straighten out my supplies >> boxes and found the empty box. >> >> Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they were >> wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the later type >> Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the dark I know, but >> before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. >> >> Sorry to hit the list with this but...... >> >> Bob Kramer >> Austin, TX _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at gte.net Wed May 13 08:24:58 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza References: <285b8a860905121326m5ac13537ib70d812c4d5b0d42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201c9d3d6$98d27040$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Mark: Great job.... you have amazing talent -not just your driving but, the knowledge to develop make the program that incorporates the gps and g force indicator. I want that setup. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza > Hi, > > Here is the first 10 minutes of the Group 1 qualifying race from > British Extravaganza event a couple of weekends ago. This race had > nearly 60 cars, so it was really crowded. I was working on various car > issues, so I did not notice a camera cable was a little loose, so > there is some interference during the video, but it still came out ok. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU8fWTspWOE > > > Enjoy, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed May 13 16:59:45 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:59:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F71FEA90F5B4CD78931619AE47C83E5@GEOFFPC> Check that the crank is not broken through the rear main if its not it most probable will in future . Have it crack tested and checked for straightness. The motor will run OK with a diagonal break through rear main ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:35 AM Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? >I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the > season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my > spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage > and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I > was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, > around > 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still > turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the > distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No > sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season > figured > it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a > rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 > inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, > must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was > still on the shaft and tightened it up. > > Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and > found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled > the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel > and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the > flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I > didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but > the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the > front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't > broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there > either. > We decided to put it back together. > > Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger > tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the > crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We > couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the > weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out > when the flywheel was loose and banging around. > > My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty > rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the > flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three > problems? > > Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite > doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use > a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to > Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other > suggestions? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > 63 Spit race car > 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars > 70 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 13 18:22:26 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 13 18:38:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: Message-ID: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> I've broken 1 1296 small crank..that was after about 60+ hours on the engine..racing vintage..shifting at 6500 with occasional 7000..it broke in front of the rear main... my present crank is nitrited, and has about 20 hours on it Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Wed May 13 18:44:11 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Message-ID: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Any old timers out there? Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed May 13 19:38:20 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:38:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> References: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> Message-ID: When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP champ) from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the crank. Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the rod as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. Mike Cook > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > > I've broken 1 1296 small crank..that was after about 60+ hours on the > engine..racing vintage..shifting at 6500 with occasional 7000..it broke in > front of the rear main... > my present crank is nitrited, and has about 20 hours on it > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norlin Engineering" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > > > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > > engine this past weekend. > > > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > > or > > shot peened. > > > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > > which > > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > > I > > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > > but > > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > > crankshafts? > > > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > > National when the crank failed. > > > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 13 19:48:25 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Morgan Plates in Aluminum- TR Powered Message-ID: FOT< Last winter some Morgan guys approached me about making alloy engine plates for their TR powered MOGS. We made them and shipped them off by February. I have a few left if you know any folks out there that would want one. Greg Solow can also supply them. I likely will not produce them again, although the engineering and processing is documented, so that it would be easy to do, if enough are wanted. Thanks, Joe A From Herald948 at aol.com Wed May 13 20:56:50 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/2009 9:07:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cwn74 at aol.com writes: My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! ==AM== Way cool, Clark! Almost makes me want another Corvair (had one briefly, eons ago). Sound wasn't very good; I don't know if that was the film or my cheap speakers. But the announcer sounded to me like the immortal Fred Foy (also announcer for Dick Cavett and the Lone Ranger radio show)!? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu May 14 04:55:51 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 03:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: "Norlin Engineering" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering wrote: From: Norlin Engineering Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu May 14 05:47:05 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:47:05 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler Message-ID: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> FOT Any of you guys running diff oil coolers on independant rear end Triumphs. If so can you let me have some details on the set up eg inlet and outlet points , type of pump used and size of cooler and where mounted etc . Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From horizonracing at msn.com Thu May 14 07:41:02 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:41:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> References: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: Geoff, Although not Triumph, I've done this to a Lister chevy and a Devin SS. Both De Dion tube cars with inboard brakes. The factory lister cars ran this set up in the 50's using a modified double SU pump (jag) and drivers were asked not to turn them on until lap 2-3. I'm using a modern elect. pump designed for heavy oil with a 6-8 row -8 cooler. I also put in a coarse screen filter before the pump inlet. Return oil is aimed at the crown wheel as close to the pinion as possible. The elect. oil pump is wiried into the fuel pump. cheers Tony > From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:47:05 +1000 > Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler > > FOT > Any of you guys running diff oil coolers on independant rear end Triumphs. If > so can you let me have some details on the set up eg inlet and outlet points , > type of pump used and size of cooler and where mounted etc . > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 14 09:01:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:01:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My 1147 never broke a crank even after wrapping a rod around it. But it did rather religiously eat rod bearing #3. See aforementioned U shaped rod. Bob On 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > To: "Norlin Engineering" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for > Susan > break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances > were > that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location > of > the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. > If > memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the > mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it > happened > Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering > wrote: > > From: Norlin Engineering > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Thu May 14 13:22:16 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Message-ID: <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> WHOA!? Track looks very early, ruff, compared to how it looks today.? Still the question -? how many Corvairs did GM use to make that film?? And, can you believe the off-road sequences, how many had to be towed and the scenes had to be re-shot? They are unusual cool cars, there were 3 Corvairs at the Jaguar autocross I participated last month.? Everyone cheered them all on and all the drivers had big smiles when they crossed the finish line. Drive on, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 8:44 pm Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Any old timers out there? Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Thu May 14 14:27:06 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A0C7E9A.1090100@dfn.com> robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > WHOA!? Track looks very early, ruff, compared to how it looks today.? Still the question -? how many Corvairs did GM use to make that film?? And, can you believe the off-road sequences, how many had to be towed and the scenes had to be re-shot? > > I thought the musical accompaniment was, uh, very symphonic. :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From REK46 at aol.com Thu May 14 16:02:10 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:02:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: who did the crank work on the 1296? ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Thu May 14 16:20:12 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:20:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your fingers crossed? I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the Cooper S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP champ) from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the crank. Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the rod as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. Mike Cook ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ From adams910 at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:44:15 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <673993c50905141544t3817b41ra0cebc92f183f682@mail.gmail.com> I asked Dick Stockton this question before. On the TR4's they were getting 3-4 races on connecting rods and 8-9 races on the crankshafts before they were thrown in the scrap pile. Bob Adams From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 16:48:19 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <614E65F8689349C5A4B6CF4088DBB564@Bud> in 1969 we could nitrite, balance, shot peen.....we could not add metal.....camshaft also...we could do any grind as long as we did not add metal Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What > was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? > Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your > fingers crossed? > > I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka > high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. > > The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the > Cooper > S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM > To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP > champ) > from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the > crank. > > > > Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." > > > > The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the > rod > as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. > > > > Mike Cook > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu May 14 16:54:49 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 DefinitionSub Cat. 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as such. It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is permitted provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as the original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA Rulebook........rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 17:03:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: Message-ID: Woohooo..thank you Rick!....I acually remembered that stuff! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and > Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 > DefinitionSub Cat. > 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to > lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and > drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as > such. > It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless > authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) > heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is > permitted > provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as > the > original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA > Rulebook........rick > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do > in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 14 18:08:04 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:08:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <11B83247C6814B31B7672473599A95FD@KasPC> You could do anything that you wanted to the crank except, add material. No welding, or whatever except balancing. Read the meaning of balancing in the dictionary, it means to " make even". Does not say to take away or add, just make even. It is interesting in this rule as with the TR-6 I had to move the harmonic trouble spot to a higher location in revs so I added a bunch of weight to the crank and even added brass plates to the sides of throws to get the harmonic in a position that was outside of the area in which I would use the engine. Worked like a charm and, as I was balancing, it was allowed. You gotta read the rules. Used nitriding as a tool most of the time, made a 50% strength improvement in the TR-6, TR-250 crank.. The difference between the Spitfire big bearing crank and the small bearing crank is the oil passages. The big bearing is not good. I had a terrible time with it and finally plugged the stock hole and cross drilled, this fixed it and redrilled the main feed to the throw. I've written about this in my books as most already know. The same with 1500, same problem, oil passages wrong for high revs and racing. Okay on the stockers though. This all happened as they were trying ( and did) commonize parts in the engines across the model line. Bad move for racers. Sometimes I was very popular at the factory and sometimes not, when I hollered and yelled about the 1296 MK 4 crank I was not popular (I was correct) but not popular. Then they did the same thing on the 1500, different folks to deal with at that time, not the same old Triumph good guys who had been shipped out to rescue engineering in the M.G. plant in Birmingham. Mergers do not always do a good thing for the customer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What > was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? > Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your > fingers crossed? > > I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka > high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. > > The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the > Cooper > S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM > To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP > champ) > from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the > crank. > > > > Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." > > > > The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the > rod > as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. > > > > Mike Cook > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 14 18:23:08 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] High Plains Vintage opener! Message-ID: Hey guys, http://www.9news.com/sports/article.aspx?storyid=115728&catid=295 Kevin From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 14 18:56:15 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:56:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee Message-ID: FOT, Rising up from ashes with an eight year restoration, Zach's TR4 is being prepared for entry into the Targa Tasmania Rally. No brainer for someone to 2nd the nomination Mr. Zach McAfee of Oz. Here ye, here ye, here ye... Joe Alexander From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 19:03:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee References: Message-ID: A 2nd here by Racer Bud! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee > FOT, > > Rising up from ashes with an eight year restoration, Zach's TR4 is being > prepared for entry into the Targa Tasmania Rally. > > No brainer for someone to 2nd the nomination Mr. Zach McAfee of Oz. > > Here ye, here ye, here ye... > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlcooknj at msn.com Thu May 14 19:37:38 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:37:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Message-ID: I was at Lime Rock in 1959 for the Britih Automobile Manufacturers Association Test Days and that's what it looked like. The only thing paved was the track. Mike > From: cwn74 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:11 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock > > Any old timers out there? > > Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? > > > > My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! > > It should generate some questions for John Fitch! > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 14 20:05:29 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] in search of 15 x 7 panasport Message-ID: I know it's a stretch but what the heck. I bent one of my panasport racing wheels in my wreck last year. Anybody have one stashed in a corner left over from a previous project? It's a 15 x 7 with 4 x 4-1/2 bolt pattern. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ Mobile1_052009 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 14 21:52:54 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains Message-ID: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages from the oil gallery to the mains? If so, what size is optimal? Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? If pressure in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the valve gear. Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? Thanks, Greg From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 14 22:21:24 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4A0CEDC4.1000903@bradakis.com> Kramer, Robert wrote: > I could never repay all the FOT value that I have received over the years. Amen to that! mjb. PS: Services seem to be back to normal after the ISP switch earlier this week. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri May 15 06:29:37 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c9d558$d002e9e0$7008bda0$@net> Bud....I bet you don't remember what you had for dinner last night Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:04 PM To: REK46 at aol.com; britbits at netzero.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Woohooo..thank you Rick!....I acually remembered that stuff! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and > Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 > DefinitionSub Cat. > 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to > lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and > drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as > such. > It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless > authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) > heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is > permitted > provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as > the > original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA > Rulebook........rick > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do > in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlc ntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 15 06:30:42 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:30:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Message-ID: Here is a car that I have been following for a while. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9200 Looks like it is ready to run soon. Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 15 06:32:40 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to mention that there are three pages of the discussions, so don't miss the latest. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: May 15, 2009 8:31 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Here is a car that I have been following for a while. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9200 Looks like it is ready to run soon. Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 20:02:24 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I'd like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumphs to FoT. Pat autocrosses a Spitfire and a GT6. He has also shipped his cars to the UK on occasion to run the RBRR. He and his wife have a total of 5 Triumphs including a Stag. Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri May 15 20:21:43 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second for sure. Pat puts on one heck of an autocross. Welcome Pat. Marty > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:24 -0700 > From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > To: fot at autox.team.net; pat at patbarber.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Amici, > > I'd like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumphs to FoT. Pat autocrosses a Spitfire > and a GT6. He has also shipped his cars to the UK on occasion to run the RBRR. > > He and his wife have a total of 5 Triumphs including a Stag. > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage1_052009 From REK46 at aol.com Sat May 16 08:31:07 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:31:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 16 08:40:41 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:40:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D57@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Sounds good to me! Second! Scott B. (Across the lake in Wisconsin) ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Sat May 16 09:31:07 2009 Subject: [Fot] Nomination I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gp89 at charter.net Sat May 16 09:16:10 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 8:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090516111610.E910N.2799967.root@mp06> Another beer drinking Spit racer? Absolutely! Jeff Senty ---- REK46 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT > list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his > trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA > for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever > seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin > bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the > list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. > Find free things to do in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat May 16 11:19:21 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam In-Reply-To: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C594@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Speaking of broken cranks, I just had a cam break in my just rebuilt 109E in a Lotus 7. (1498cc 4 banger, push rod, modest cam etc....) Won the race but lost the engine. I have heard of lots of cranks letting go due to lots of reasons but not a cam. What are the likely reasons and does this happen more then I know. Bill B Lotus 7 GT6 Etc... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: "Norlin Engineering" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering wrote: From: Norlin Engineering Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 16 12:33:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C594@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <96F7118CF5004E5F91DC80157158BEF6@Bud> Hi bill....i just asked my friend/machinist about it...The ford cam is a cast cam...which if traumatized previously could cause it to break... another reason could be mis-alignment of a cam bearing Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bartlett" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam > Speaking of broken cranks, I just had a cam break in my just rebuilt 109E > in a > Lotus 7. (1498cc 4 banger, push rod, modest cam etc....) Won the race but > lost > the engine. > I have heard of lots of cranks letting go due to lots of reasons but not a > cam. What are the likely reasons and does this happen more then I know. > Bill B > Lotus 7 > GT6 > Etc... > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > To: "Norlin Engineering" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for > Susan > break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances > were > that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The > location > of > the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. > If > memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before > the > mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it > happened > Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering > wrote: > > From: Norlin Engineering > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Sat May 16 17:59:30 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:59:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. Message-ID: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically DEAD!!!!!!! Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from Michigan to Car lisle. unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. Also some into from Ted Schumacher. The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 16 18:05:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. References: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> Message-ID: maybe it's just the economy? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. >I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. > I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically > DEAD!!!!!!! > > Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from > Michigan to Car lisle. > > > unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. > Also some into from Ted Schumacher. > > The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. > > Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. > > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 16 20:14:36 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336620.63593.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Sat May 16 21:17:11 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> Message-ID: <001001c9d69e$083eccc0$60771342@jrg> Bud, Glenn is right, Carlisle has probably gone beyond the point of no return on LBC deals. 25 years ago you'd see box trucks loaded with NOS Lucas lenses, Smith's gauges, etc etc etc. Mostly from east coast dealerships and auto parts stores that'd recently closed. That supply of parts is long gone. Blame time... And maybe ebay too. At the same time, most of the people going to Carlisle are looking for the ultimate deal. A friend who's been a vendor since the mid-80s doesn't take any good parts anymore as people will try to offer $25 for an o/d gearbox. So mostly it's the junk he can't sell at the better swap meets/shows. Still regret passing up the aluminum flywheel with clutch setup (all new) for a Spitfire 1147. Only $25, but the seller couldn't tell me if it'd fit my newly acquired 1500 (it wouldn't). As my friend pointed out.. Would have made a neat wall hanging. ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:05 PM To: Glenn Franco; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. maybe it's just the economy? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. >I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. > I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically > DEAD!!!!!!! > > Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from > Michigan to Car lisle. > > > unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. > Also some into from Ted Schumacher. > > The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. > > Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. > > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWIQW3GZgkW2r9JUjYeq22BVCA3XcW7GMWuEoiMsnW352gY7cETrK/ From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun May 17 07:32:09 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:32:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts Message-ID: <4A1011D9.40705@cfl.rr.com> All, For a TR4A-TR6 I am in need of locating a left side vertical link and upper and lower control arms for both sides. Any help or leads is much appreciated. thxx, Bob 57 TR3 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun May 17 07:57:01 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts References: <4A1011D9.40705@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <054d01c9d6f7$5aa886f0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Bob, I probably have what you need; all my parts are at my farm south of Erie. I'm headed there today and can check. Give me a day or two. I'm very busy and to be honest, procrastinate sometimes. (Ted, the camshaft is coming!) Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts > All, > > For a TR4A-TR6 I am in need of locating a left side vertical link and > upper and lower control arms for both sides. Any help or leads is much > appreciated. > > thxx, > Bob > 57 TR3 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun May 17 11:08:09 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <336620.63593.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657264166.2502721242580089166.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll be 5th in line...but that what happens when you only check your email once every 2 days! Ron makes some excellent stuff spitfires.B Don't forget his gearbox and loads of other crap. Beer...what's beer! aaron Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:14:36 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... B Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick B Kristoff From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 12:00:17 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:00:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Now Aaron...how can you say that about beer !...Ron and I were at Topeka too,or was that an Aaron Johnson imposter we saw?....Rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002 ) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 13:57:05 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <657264166.2502721242580089166.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <312071.85410.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Beer...what's beer! Beer n. 1) enjoyable beverage. enjoyed the most in the company of friends ... of dark color and taste. Heavy. Many varieties exist, but the best are made in Englank, Germany, Holland, and Russia. Some good ones include American companies such as Grays in Janesville Wi. 2) also availabe in distasteful varieties such as ***light, ***amber, and ***fruit flavored ... similar to drinking coolaid or eating lik-m-aid .. (remember that stuff???).. Any other questions Aaron??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: From: fpspitfire at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:08 PM #yiv875530184 p {margin:0;} I'll be 5th in line...but that what happens when you only check your email once every 2 days! Ron makes some excellent stuff spitfires. Don't forget his gearbox and loads of other crap. Beer...what's beer! aaron Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:14:36 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 13:59:32 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:59:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000 002) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 14:54:35 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <913742.65842.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: REK46 at aol.com the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch OOOKay... I've now met someone just as sick as I am ... :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:59 PM the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 15:06:21 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:06:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 17 15:30:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: I was a guest judge last night at a Cooking Competition here in Sonoma, Ca at a culinary academy..Each chef had 30 minutes to prepare a meal using some of each ingredient from a previously sealed package. Maybe something like this could be done with items like beer, Likm ade, etc...and who knows what else?....and on the sidelines...at a Bar...would be the playing of the Bar Game 5-9-13...that's the dice game where...the guy who rolls the 5th ace names the drink(it can be anything)..the 9th ace drinks the drink..the 15th ace pays for the drink. Racer Bud....still living my life 'backwards' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh > Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some > judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will > do ! > > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:01:33 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <441056.97042.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're on!!!!! I'll have a judge suggestion by tomorrow ... I think we should each pick a manager/mentor/advisor in this also ... (Just to help us each do our best ;>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 4:06 PM Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:07:59 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <107588.57718.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Assuming that there well may be others semi-qualified to compete, this will have to officially come down to a final winner at a FOT event sometime in the future ????? We know we are all somewhat sick (we race triumphs dont we???) so we should be able to get a qualified field of contestants.... could be fun :>)))))) We will assume (for this group) that there are absolutely NO rules ))))). Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: REK46 at aol.com, tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 4:30 PM I was a guest judge last night at a Cooking Competition here in Sonoma, Ca at a culinary academy..Each chef had 30 minutes to prepare a meal using some of each ingredient from a previously sealed package. Maybe something like this could be done with items like beer, Likm ade, etc...and who knows what else?....and on the sidelines...at a Bar...would be the playing of the Bar Game 5-9-13...that's the dice game where...the guy who rolls the 5th ace names the drink(it can be anything)..the 9th ace drinks the drink..the 15th ace pays for the drink. Racer Bud....still living my life 'backwards' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh > Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some > judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! > > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Sun May 17 18:21:25 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:21:25 +1000 Subject: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> has anyone found a concentric clutch cylinder/bearing other than the Tilton ones?? I have custom made an alloy flywheel with twin plate Tilton clutch, but I'm now struggling to find a suitable cylinder and bearing.The local Tilton agents want a fortune for a specially imported one. Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun May 17 18:53:16 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:53:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 In-Reply-To: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> References: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C5DA@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Taylor Racing sells a few a good one I use is the Saab 300 annular slave cylinder. Bill Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry and Cindy Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 has anyone found a concentric clutch cylinder/bearing other than the Tilton ones?? I have custom made an alloy flywheel with twin plate Tilton clutch, but I'm now struggling to find a suitable cylinder and bearing.The local Tilton agents want a fortune for a specially imported one. Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Sun May 17 21:40:28 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Message-ID: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ From tlizzard at msn.com Mon May 18 05:25:27 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: In short, it is less expensive to race a Spridget, and there are more "donor" cars out there to support an effort. The Sprite engine is more reliable as a race engine too. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4 UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon May 18 06:39:31 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <1005835510.9410781242649143253.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2116253279.9415701242650371342.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Terry, I thought this was the FOT page.B I can't disagree on the number of donor cars if you add midgets plus sprites. However, when it comes to engines it is still how much reliability you want.B As Hp goes up reliability goes down regardless of what you start with.B Look at the Limited Prep Spits in H Production in SCCA.B Preparation is the key, there is not a single part in my Spit engines that I do not at least massage to get reliability.B Suyspension:B the Spit front suspension is hard to beat, the spridget has lever shocks or you pay to convert to what a Spit has as stock.B Rear Suspension:B Solid rear axle vs Swing axle.B If you think a solid axle is better, put in a super stiff rear spring in your Spit.B Don't forget that you can have that spring made to give any rear camber you want.B Can you do that with a midget rear axle ?B Personally, I prefer letting the suspension do its work and I have a rear suspension that completely eliminates the jacking forces plus the roll center does not move side to side in a corner.B Bottom line is there are fewer Spits to start with but they have the advantage in suspension and are equal in the cost of building a race engine and reliabilty is whatever you want.B And don't forget tranys. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:25:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In short, it is less expensive to race a Spridget, and there are more "donor" cars out there to support an effort. The Sprite engine is more reliable as a race engine too. Terry Stetler. B B ----- Original Message ----- B B From: Jim B B To: fot at autox.team.net B B Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:40 PM B B Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? B B Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage B B Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and B B one burning question popped into mind: B B What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage B B racing? B B In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" B B class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed B B over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and B B encouraged others to build more. B Those cars have bounced between FP and B B Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and B B willingness to be honest. B So that may skew the numbers a tad. B B This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And B B only 1 Spitfire in FP. B In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different B B Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more B B than one Spitfire running at a time. B B On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front B B suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and B B token TVRs that show up from time to time. B B Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? B B Cheers, B B Jim B B Dallas B B ____________________________________________________________ B B You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. B B http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WS y4 UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ B B _______________________________________________ B B Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html B B http://www.fot-racing.com B B Fot mailing list B B Fot at autox.team.net B B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon May 18 07:43:53 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? References: <1005835510.9410781242649143253.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2116253279.9415701242650371342.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: As a CVAR racer I can tell you there is a simple answer to Jim's question, and he touched on it. There is tremendous peer support within the Sprite/Midget racing community and it started with the Spec Sprite program that Roger Williams started. We used to have nearly a dozen Spec Sprites but many have graduated and decided to up the spec and speed to FP. Some of these guys are spending big bucks on engine and suspension to the point that a couple of them are as fast as my TR4A, and I'm keeping up with some of our C Prod 911 and 914-6 Porsches. We lost Susan to a move but we've got a couple of Spitfires now in Joe Hovey and Bill Collins. Joe is solid but Bill is early on the learning curve. What we need in CVAR is a leader for the Spitfire squadron. Jim could come in with his Spitfire and take on that role. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 AM To: Terry Stetler Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Terry, I thought this was the FOT page.B I can't disagree on the number of donor cars if you add midgets plus sprites. However, when it comes to engines it is still how much reliability you want.B As Hp goes up reliability goes down regardless of what you start with.B Look at the Limited Prep Spits in H Production in SCCA.B Preparation is the key, there is not a single part in my Spit engines that I do not at least massage to get reliability.B Suyspension:B the Spit front suspension is hard to beat, the spridget has lever shocks or you pay to convert to what a Spit has as stock.B Rear Suspension:B Solid rear axle vs Swing axle.B If you think a solid axle is better, put in a super stiff rear spring in your Spit.B Don't forget that you can have that spring made to give any rear camber you want.B Can you do that with a midget rear axle ?B Personally, I prefer letting the suspension do its work and I have a rear suspension that completely eliminates the jacking forces plus the roll center does not move side to side in a corner.B Bottom line is there are fewer Spits to start with but they have the advantage in suspension and are equal in the cost of building a race engine and reliabilty is whatever you want.B And don't forget tranys. Ron Krantz ReK Racing From cofrog at q.com Mon May 18 08:06:05 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:06:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] In Need Message-ID: Ran the inagural RMVR race at the new High Plains Raceway here in Colorado. Awesome challenging fast track. You folks from east and west of us should consider towing out this way to try it out. Unfortunately I ruined a half used Hoosier 205-60-15 Speedster and am left with three reasonably good ones. I am checking to see if anyone has a good used one they would like to sell. Thanks, Dan Forgey From robertten1 at aol.com Mon May 18 08:17:16 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:17:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBA5DA7B1EBA0F-1604-22BC@WEBMAIL-MY26.sysops.aol.com> Gary, No sure if you solved your problem or if you found a Solid State Stabilizer yet but, note they are availble from British Parts Northwest at what seems to be a reasonable cost. Best of luck, Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: 'Gary Horstkorta' ; Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ammeter Question Try the voltage regulator mounted on the back of the speedometer. I have never had the problem but there has been a lot of discussion about this on the 6pack list. I think some others have come up with a solid state version of this regulator. There maybe some on Ebay. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon May 18 08:33:36 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:33:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740122320C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Are there more of us Spitfires racing here in the northern latitudes? There are quite a few Spitfires around here - not as many as there are Spridgets, but still a good number of us. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0W Sy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 18 08:54:09 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:54:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains In-Reply-To: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090518145438.9EC5C187651@autox.team.net> One of the uncle jack tricks was to slightly drill out the center main oil passage. Don't have a diameter, though. Since it feeds two rods instead of one it seemed like the thing to do. This is mentioned in item four of the "Block" section of the engine building tips here: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm - Tony At 10:52 PM 5/14/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages >from the oil gallery to the mains? If so, what size is optimal? >Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., >is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? If pressure >in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil >would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross >sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear >would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant >and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the >valve gear. > >Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? > >Thanks, > >Greg >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 18 09:36:53 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:36:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: We're lacking Spit's here in the PNW as well. Back in the 70's there were a dozen or more Spitfires actively racing SCCA and only a couple of Spridgets. Currently in our SCCA vintage group. I am the only Spitfire running against at least a half dozen Spridgets. Only a couple of those have a true racing heritage, the rest are converted street cars. At Sovern's CRC last year there was one other Spitfire, again a car with great cred's. I think the reason for the difference is how easy it is to convert a street Spridget to racing. You can get virtually everthing you need from Moss Motors. Spitfire race parts such as rear axles, race springs, shocks, etc are available if you know where to look, but the main suppliers just carry street performance parts, not race parts. That being said, I agree that the Spitfire makes a far better race car than the Spridget for all the reasons stated earlier. For one thing, we can keep all the wheels on the ground. On the flip side, I think the Spridget makes a better street car. What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4U CG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon May 18 09:59:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <769ABE2E-47A9-417A-90EA-A98334676CA6@bnj.com> Peyote was amazing this weekend. Not only did it look great, it ran great. Had an absolute blast racing Cameron Healy in the Pooper, Tony Garmey in his Corvette and John Goodman in his Devin SS. We had a fine turnout of Triumph racers, all of whom did great. A full writeup later. I started the weekend off a bit slow, doing 1:42's and lolling around in sixth place. Flatspotted a new tire in the second lap of the test and tune day, and the flat spot got worse until there was cord showing. Swapped to an old set of Speedsters and started from the back, which gave me the impetus I needed to get the lead out and drive. Did a 1:39:4something catching up and trying to make my way to the front, but with the Corvette and Devin sliding around and screaming like banshees passing felt like trying to run through a spinning revolving door. Finished 4th with fastest lap time in race 3, third behind Cameron and Goodman in race 4. Ccouldn't quite get around Cameraon but with all the pushing and shoving we all got well down into the 39's. sure was some interesting passes on the lapped cars. I expected to have a posse of FV drivers with torches and ropes in out pits afterwards, but they seemed okay with it. Scared the crap out of me. Peyote is gorgeous. Weird to say that. Completely authentic, but perfect. Garmey pulled off a miracle. I had a lot of people say "I knew he was good, but I didn't know he was THAT good." Cameron and I had a classic Pooper-Peyote battle. Inches apart and flat out. Total trust. It was awesome. I still haven't quit grinning. From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 18 10:34:48 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740122320C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8DF0263298314B109A8604AF30E51969@Bud> I'm the only spitfire racing with CSRG in Nor calif... Racer Bud spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? > Are there more of us Spitfires racing here in the northern latitudes? > There are quite a few Spitfires around here - not as many as there are > Spridgets, but still a good number of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? > > Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians > Vintage > Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) > and > one burning question popped into mind: > > What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in > vintage > racing? > > In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec > Sprite" > class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely > warmed > over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and > encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and > Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and > willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. > > This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. > And > only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different > Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed > more > than one Spitfire running at a time. > > On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based > front > suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, > and > token TVRs that show up from time to time. > > Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0W > Sy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 18 10:46:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links Message-ID: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Just got finished unloading from last weekend at Road America, running with SVRA. Weather was a bit on the cool side, Sunday was gorgeous. Car is running great, ran a 2:52 in the first session, couldn't equal that until the final race. Had fun in the qualifying sessions, but had a frustrating qualifying race Sat afternoon. Kept getting held up in the twisty bits and then passed on the straights. Dropped from 6th to 10th. Was run off the track by a TVR between the kink and the carousel on the last lap - had a run on him but had to cool my jets. Sunday we were gridded by finishing order Saturday, so I was prepared for more frustration. However, I had an excellent race - ended up moving back up to 7th. Held off the TVR with some minor blocking (hey, what comes around goes around), passed Jeff Johnk in his fast yellow healey, but a Morgan flew by. Had some great dicing with 356's, came out all grins although a bit oil covered from the silver one... Got down to a low 2:51 in the race. Car is running as well as ever, and my Larry cam lets me turn those time while shifting at 6 grand. I think the track's grip has gone down some from a couple years ago where I had the magical race that got me into the 49's. Maybe the Toyos I was running then had a bit more grip than the current Speedsters too... Light turnout for this event, hope that's not a portend of things to come. Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here (fewer titles this time, Chris): http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 Photos from the event here: http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 There are several shots of Bill Dentinger getting awarded a giant bottle of wine for his yeoman's service as treasurer of VSDCA. Bob Wismer's car ran flawlessly all weekend, Bill had an odd problem where his car wouldn't move that kept him out of Sunday's race, but then he was later able to drive it to the trailer. The only other Triumph was John Frederici, he had tranny problems and didn't make the Sunday race. - Tony Drews From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon May 18 11:23:05 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains In-Reply-To: <20090518145438.9EC5C187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1655070322.9545641242667385424.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You are correct if there are casting flaws causing a restriction to the oil flow in the block.B The real problem is in the crankshaft and oil hole size out to the rods. Ron K ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews " To: "Greg & Alison Blake" , fot @ autox .team.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:54:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ Fot ] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains One of the uncle jack tricks was to slightly drill out the center main oil passage. B Don't have a diameter, though. B Since it feeds two rods instead of one it seemed like the thing to do. B This is mentioned in item four of the "Block" section of the engine building tips here: http :// www . tonydrews .com/ uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips . htm - Tony At 10:52 PM 5/14/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages >from the oil gallery to the mains? B If so, what size is optimal? >Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., >is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? B If pressure >in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil >would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross >sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear >would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant >and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the >valve gear. > >Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? > >Thanks, > >Greg > _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html > > http :// www . fot -racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot @ autox .team.net > http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html http :// www . fot -racing.com Fot mailing list Fot @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon May 18 12:06:28 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:06:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0905181106r32c60790pfb00af7808aaf628@mail.gmail.com> Here on the West Coast, Triumphs outnumber every other marque with Spitfires well represented. In VARA (FP), we have no fewer than three to five (equal to the number of Spridgets) while in the larger DP class we have almost 9 regular TR4's plus another couple of big Spits. Twice this year we have had more than 17 Triumphs with 23 at Fontana. Typically, Triumphs (or at least Triumph drivers) will sweep the majority of classes in which they are entered. Part of this credit should go to Kas who continually inspires us to get out there and race, and the rest should go to the drivers who take their old Triumphs and compete against (and beat) their German, Italian and Japanese competition even with outdated technology, heavier cars and longer tracks (which often put us at a disadvantage against the 2002s and 510s. Just a brief thought as to how things are out here. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Jim wrote: > Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage > Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and > one burning question popped into mind: > > What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage > racing? > > In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" > class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed > over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and > encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and > Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and > willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. > > This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. > And > only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different > Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed > more > than one Spitfire running at a time. > > On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front > suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and > token TVRs that show up from time to time. > > Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 18 12:47:29 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:47:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links Message-ID: Amici... Ah yes, we suspect my problem trying to pull out of our paddock (slight up hill on 'spring grass') was that the clutch froze to the flywheel, at least I could no longer get it into any gear. With five minutes to race time, I figured my goose was cooked, and I got back into street clothes. Then there was an incident in the Race Group ahead of us, and our race was a good half hour late. I should have fooled around with the issue, as eventually it went away. Turning everything off, letting it cool down, and starting over seemed to be a fix. At least we were running under our own power when we went to load it in the trailer. We'll take a harder look at it in the shop. As it turned out, I got to watch the race from corner five, and can verify the fun Tony was describing. Tony was collecting Porsches all week end, and done us all proud. Must also mention John Fridirici in his TR3A, who was all alone for most of the race, but as such it was easy to see what a smooth driver John is. He looked really good coming through FIVE and up the hill to SIX. John also ran the Enduro on Friday night, and clocked about 140 miles in that race. The fast MORGAN that passed Tony started well behind him. That's Pat Starr, from Minnesota. He is in his 70s, and driving the same old MORGAN he's been driving since the early 1960s. He is a GREAT driver and used to own the Peyote. Like Bill Babcock, Starr embarrassed a lot of people with the Peyote in vintage racing. About the bottle of wine. It is 14 1/2 liters, and nearly as tall as Shirley. My wife and I have reached a point in life where we enjoy splitting a bottle of wine a couple of nights a week. I think we're going to need seat belts for this one. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322941x1201367178/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=Mayfooter51809NO115) From srcypher at mac.com Mon May 18 15:07:18 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> To some extent, I expect consolidation. I had a collection of 3 log books, one of which I gave away the book and the chassis off to a guy wanting to do vintage 1500. I know he's no where near race ready. The other chassis & book is in storage for some future project. The PO of my current car had consolidated from at least 3 other spit racers; or so I was told, and misplaced log books..... Thanks -Scott Cypher ----------------- On May 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim From britbits at netzero.com Mon May 18 15:39:44 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> References: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> Message-ID: <008b01c9d801$4d425710$77711342@jrg> Scott, That makes sense for cars with some history. As to Spitfire vs Spridget availablility... Originally they sold roughly in the same quantities. The Spitfire has 2 distinct body styles and the Spridgets have 2 distinct body styles (Bugeye/early and later). The 1500 engine isn't legal for vintage groups that use the '72 cutoff. So most people look at squaretail Spitfires and say "naaaah". Whereas most MG people look at 1500 Midgets and say "they're trash, make a race car out of them". I'm directly responsible for one of the Spec Sprites in CVAR as I'd collected the parts for such a car and "loaned" them to someone wanting to build up a cheap racecar. About the same time my home owners association started objecting to the junk yard building up in the backyard. It'd be interesting to see what the comparison is between original production of 1296 small bearing Spitfires vs 1275 Spridgets. On a side note, it is possible to convert a Mini FWD 1275 block for a Spridget, vastly increasing the basic block supply. Not cranks, just blocks. CVAR will accept a squaretail Spitfire shell, as long as it's not fitted with a 1500. The problem is that there's a limited supply of Mk3 engines. Anyone successfully running a big bearing 1296? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Cypher Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:07 PM To: Norlin Engineering Cc: fot at autox.team.net; britbits at netzero.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? To some extent, I expect consolidation. I had a collection of 3 log books, one of which I gave away the book and the chassis off to a guy wanting to do vintage 1500. I know he's no where near race ready. The other chassis & book is in storage for some future project. The PO of my current car had consolidated from at least 3 other spit racers; or so I was told, and misplaced log books..... Thanks -Scott Cypher ----------------- On May 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJWY8Y8LHP5ykX6h0YEWMmmnwrnRxH3A7YDS8Ln1eAe5pxoQjcM/ From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 18 17:18:08 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673993c50905181618s2f160de5y44cbcc890c8286b2@mail.gmail.com> Great video! Looks like a good move by the starter to throw the green flag when they did or that could have been ugly. When the pole sitting car is a Porsche 356 (and it usually is), it's a safe bet that they will be hard on the gas as soon as the pace car gets out of the way. -Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 19 00:06:30 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:06:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Don't get me wrong Tony, I love your videos and I can hardly await the video to start. A long "credit" trailer does tease me a lot ;-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 18:46 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links ........... Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here (fewer titles this time, Chris): ............. - Tony Drews From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 07:49:46 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Message-ID: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 19 08:16:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:16:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Funny, I run lots of toe in. The only thing with the toe out is that the full load is always on the smaller outside roller bearing and that it might wear out quicker from this. Brake: I would suppose that your rotors and pads went too hot or wasn't braked in properly. As you have a dual brake circuit maybe yours was set too much to the front? I would measure the flatness of the rotors and if the rotors are okay, install new pads and have a go again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2009 15:50 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 08:36:13 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <8CBA6A1BA803976-720-2AF3@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Glen, The suspension checked out fine, nothing out of the ordinary and yes I run the stock calipers. The bias is set to 60 -B 65% front. The soft pedal was determined to be the front circuit but using a half dozen different methods to bleed dual circuit brakes I couldn't get the slack out of the front master.B Last thursday I bledB the brakes and I had a great pedal. It engaged both circuits right from the top of the strokeB but got progressively worse after test & tune on friday. No fluid is leaking anywhere but lost almost 50% of my effective pedal travel. I also cleared the lines of all my old fluid and put in new ( castrol)B last week. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:03:32 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? you may have 2 separate issues, brake & suspension. Could something in the suspension be causing excess bump-steer? Possibly too much front brake bias, ie overworking fronts? I assume you have Girling 16 calipers? HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, 19 May 2009 9:49 am Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue May 19 08:43:12 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire vs Spridget Message-ID: <35382.31004.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob Kramer is correct on many points. I was discussing this Saturday night at the track with some folks who are close to the people in the Spec Sprite/FP Spridget group. Roger was the real catalyst for the Spec group, having them built by his high school auto shop at the cost of materials, and still has some cars for rent if they are needed. But those are "really" spec cars and turn lap times equal to FV cars and run with them. The disconcerting thing is the FP Spridgets that EASILY beat MGB's and who's lap times beat Bob's. They would be slapping Bob around if he ran in the same group, and they run with Joe Hovey, and Bobby Whitehead, neither of whom can see them much after the start of the race. The problem is that "vintage spirit" thing again. These cars are high dollar Spridget impersonators. They are running specially modified Mikuni's on engines that are massaged like Colby steaks. Bobby Whitehead ran into problems with his Toyo gearbox because it was a Toyo box. The trannies these guys run are Spridget cases running Hewland gears. They have a stack of gearsets that effectively give them c/r gears at a fraction of the cost for TR guys. They keep a gearbox for each track and can chose their gearing. There was a "local" guy building these $40,000 Spridgets for these gotta win guys. He sold them on the idea that they had to have these to win. He has since moved on to some NASCAR clone group, and is selling these guys on that idea now. Perhaps the numbers of these Super Sprites will decrease soon. Couple this with advantages that Spridgets have over Spit's and it makes a hard car to beat. While Spit drivers have to pay high dollars for decent trannies and axles the don't break, and are discussing broken cranks, these guys have cheap gearsets, $450 rear axles that are bulletproof, and 5 main cranks that don't flop around like a crank in a Viagra commercial. None of what they do breaks any current CVAR rule...carbs are "free" except the number of barrels, and gearbox has to have original case with the gears "free". Yes...the Spit guys have world class front suspension, bigger cockpits, easier engine access, etc, it's hard to beat the win at any cost mindset. Just my take on it - Ed - From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 08:56:18 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <4A12C620.4020505@dfn.com> Message-ID: <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Micheal, I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get the brakes to bleed and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of fresh fluid through over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & right calipers.B jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:45:52 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. Hmm. Could be. 5/8" toe-out is whole helluva lot.B My guess is that it put a lot of lateral force on the wheels, hubs and rotors which was causing the pads to continuously scrub the rotors, thus making a lot of unanticipated heat, which is also the likely cause of the brake pedal going soft--if there's more heat than can be normally dissipated, it's going to go into the pads and calipers and get transmitted to the fluid.B The fact that you got a good pedal and a proper bleed later, when the system was cold, seems to confirm that. I understand that the course also has a number of elevation changes, and the additional downhill braking might have made the problem even worse. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 09:15:26 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryvi lle.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4A12C620.4020505@dfn.com> <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090519151604.2B5D8187645@autox.team.net> Sounds like the calipers didn't back off properly and overheated the pads. Jack had that issue with the stock calipers, and had heat crazing on the pad and rotor. I have a really hard time understanding how the alignment would have caused that. It would cause tire wear for sure. - Tony Drews At 09:56 AM 5/19/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Micheal, > >I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get >the brakes to bleed > >and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of >fresh fluid through > >over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > >All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & >right calipers.B > >jg From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 09:34:37 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:34:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <12A545BE-43D1-4B1D-B6CB-DA0C883238BB@bnj.com> Sounds like your spindles might not be adjusted properly, or you didn't get the brakes bedded. On May 19, 2009, at 7:36 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > The suspension checked out fine, nothing out of the ordinary and yes > I run the > stock calipers. > > The bias is set to 60 -B 65% front. The soft pedal was determined to > be the > front circuit > > but using a half dozen different methods to bleed dual circuit > brakes I > couldn't get > > the slack out of the front master.B Last thursday I bledB the brakes > and I had > a great pedal. > > It engaged both circuits right from the top of the strokeB but got > progressively worse after > > test & tune on friday. No fluid is leaking anywhere but lost almost > 50% of my > effective > > pedal travel. I also cleared the lines of all my old fluid and put > in new ( > castrol)B last week. > > > > jg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fubog1 at aol.com > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:03:32 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / > Mazatlan > Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > you may have 2 separate issues, brake & suspension. > Could something in the suspension be causing excess bump-steer? > Possibly too much front brake bias, ie overworking fronts? I assume > you > have Girling 16 calipers? > HTH > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot > Sent: Tue, 19 May 2009 9:49 am > Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings FoT, > > > > B > > This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains > Raceway. > > Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out > as > pristine > > front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy > braking, then > > my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with > no > luck. > > During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn > on the > > inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard > 1/8b > toe > > out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my > last > engine change. > > I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle > Jackbs > spindles, > > 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front > & rear > brake circuits. > > Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load > was put > on the rotors? > > Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no > abnormal wear > issues. > > The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four > pads. > > Has anyone else ever had this experience? > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Jim Gray > > RMVR # 102 > > > > PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come > out and > race with us > > you won't regret it. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 09:51:48 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> Message-ID: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Michael, The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them prior to this past weekend. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: Micheal, I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get the brakes to bleed and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of fresh fluid through over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & right calipers.B Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused some damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new masters, did you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 deg. F.B If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the fluid goes way down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. Something to consider, anyway. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:21:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It's always possible to get a bubble somewhere that just won't let go. Motorcycle brakes are infamous for this because of the small system volume, and we had very complex methods for bleeding. One of the reasons I like speed bleeders so much. You can pump fluid through so fast that there's a much lower likelihood of a trapped bubble. But if you want to do it right, bleed from the top down, bleeding at every connection under strong pedal pressure. It's messy, but it works. You almost always gets some farting from the bubbles of the upper connections. I wouldn't discount the bedding issue either. On higher performance race cars it becomes really obvious when brake pads haven't been properly bedded--they go away very quickly and/or develop hot spots that make the material fail, usually crazing and hardening the surface but in extreme cases making the pad crumble. Follow the manufacturers recommended process exactly, and afterwards pull your pads and look for high spots. You need to transfer material from the pad to the rotor and you need the pad to be flat on the rotor face. High spots are hot spots. I see people all the time with pads that are obviously not working. But I rarely say anything because no one wants to hear that they need to toss them and do the bedding right. You CAN sometimes reuse a pad that''s been tapered or has hot spots. I use a method I copped from Kas--a cupped grinding wheel in a drill press with a dead flat surface (an old piece of inconel plate from a nuke plant that I've hauled around for thirty years) to slide the pad on. Grind till it's flat. Wear a respirator. Then rebedd it. If your manufacturer doesn't give a recco, here's the standard approach: Get on the track, accelerate to a good speed, press the brake gently and slow to nearly a stop. drive a little more without using the brakes and let things cool a bit, get going fast and then brake HARD to nearly a stop. Cool again, brake hard to nearly a stop. Repeat about five times, cooling in between. Return to the pits, pull the pads and look at them. If you have high spots (isolated, shiny spots with no wear around them) your pads aren't flat or your calipers aren't pressing evenly. If they got really hot then your seals aren't drawing the pads away from the rotor or you have too much residual pressure. Don't assume you don't have residual pressure. The weird little Triumph brake line junction is a residual pressure device, and many master cylinders come with a residual pressure device installed. The calipers are supposed to withdraw the pads from the rotors with the elastic stickiness of the seal lips. Worn or hard seals, corroded pistons, or bowed calipers compromise this. Girling calipers suck, by the way. For as heavy as they are, they don't have a lot of rigidity. A Wilwood ultralight is ten times better, give you brakes that can stop on a dime and give you nine cents change, but we can't use them. Sure are nice though. On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Michael, > > > > The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them > prior to this > past weekend. > > jg From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:23:36 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7B2FF1AF-362F-4930-AB9C-1670478381E3@bnj.com> Incidentally, no way that alignment caused the problem unless your spindles are set up improperly. Even then it would just knock back your pads and give you more brake pedal travel. On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Michael, > > > > The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them > prior to this > past weekend. > > jg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Porter" > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / > Mazatlan > Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Micheal, > > I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still > can't get > the brakes to bleed > > and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two > quarts of > fresh fluid through > > over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > > All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to > the left & > right calipers.B > Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No > matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused > some > damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new > masters, did > you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master > cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 > deg. F.B > If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the > fluid goes way > down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. > > > Something to consider, anyway. > > > > Cheers. > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:27:19 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BTW In-Reply-To: References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Did I mention that Peyote really rocked this weekend? I mean really...rocked. What a car. When I close my eyes I can still see turn two sliding by with Cameron sawing away on the Pooper with his inside front wheel ten inches in the air trying to stay in front. From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 11:57:39 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BTW In-Reply-To: References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7615FE56-0C5C-4E5D-B036-972C59A68E62@bnj.com> It really DOES look a little too nice, but Peyote has a way of gathering patina quickly. There's already lots of rock bumps in the fenders. The nose got kind of peppered too--Cameron gave me a gravel shower in Big Indy. On May 19, 2009, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > You were looking pretty good from where I was standing, Bill... The > only commentary came from one of my colleges who missed the lumps > and bumps... thought the car looked "too nice"... `Guess there's no > pleasing everyone. > > Greg > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > From: billb at bnj.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:19 -0700 > > Subject: [Fot] BTW > > > > Did I mention that Peyote really rocked this weekend? I mean > > really...rocked. > > > > What a car. > > > > When I close my eyes I can still see turn two sliding by with > Cameron > > sawing away on the Pooper with his inside front wheel ten inches in > > the air trying to stay in front. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 19 12:55:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw: News Triumph TR6 Message-ID: If someone can help Rob, please contact Rob Squire at rssquire at aol.com Thanks Racer Bud..spitfire#21 I need a little help from the group. Recently a friend of mine lost his son and now is trying to value his '74 TR6. It's a clean car with about 100K, good interior, new top, master cyl, batt and batt box. It runs very well, doesn't use oil, is straight and tidy. ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=MayExcfoo ter51609NO62) From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 19:18:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090520011827.97F3D187645@autox.team.net> I was wrong - John Frederici DID finish Sunday's race, his problem was the tranny popping out of 3rd. He held it in gear as necessary. (Been there, done that!) - Tony At 11:46 AM 5/18/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >Just got finished unloading from last weekend at Road America, >running with SVRA. Weather was a bit on the cool side, Sunday was >gorgeous. Car is running great, ran a 2:52 in the first session, >couldn't equal that until the final race. Had fun in the qualifying >sessions, but had a frustrating qualifying race Sat afternoon. Kept >getting held up in the twisty bits and then passed on the >straights. Dropped from 6th to 10th. Was run off the track by a >TVR between the kink and the carousel on the last lap - had a run on >him but had to cool my jets. > >Sunday we were gridded by finishing order Saturday, so I was >prepared for more frustration. However, I had an excellent race - >ended up moving back up to 7th. Held off the TVR with some minor >blocking (hey, what comes around goes around), passed Jeff Johnk in >his fast yellow healey, but a Morgan flew by. Had some great dicing >with 356's, came out all grins although a bit oil covered from the >silver one... Got down to a low 2:51 in the race. Car is running >as well as ever, and my Larry cam lets me turn those time while >shifting at 6 grand. I think the track's grip has gone down some >from a couple years ago where I had the magical race that got me >into the 49's. Maybe the Toyos I was running then had a bit more >grip than the current Speedsters too... > >Light turnout for this event, hope that's not a portend of things to come. > >Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here >(fewer titles this time, Chris): >http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 >Photos from the event here: >http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 >There are several shots of Bill Dentinger getting awarded a giant >bottle of wine for his yeoman's service as treasurer of VSDCA. > >Bob Wismer's car ran flawlessly all weekend, Bill had an odd problem >where his car wouldn't move that kept him out of Sunday's race, but >then he was later able to drive it to the trailer. The only other >Triumph was John Frederici, he had tranny problems and didn't make >the Sunday race. > >- Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 19:24:48 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Just because the calipers are rebuilt doesn't mean they retract the pad slightly like they need to. Jack's were newly assembled, newly rebuilt using new pieces, and they didn't retract properly so got too hot and faded. If you have a lining that doesn't fade, it will just get really hot and boil the brake fluid giving you a long pedal. However, I THINK that the pedal gets better when things cool down. - Tony Drews At 10:51 AM 5/19/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Michael, > > > >The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them prior to this >past weekend. > >jg > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Porter" >To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / >Mazatlan >Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > >toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > > > > >Micheal, > >I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get >the brakes to bleed > >and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of >fresh fluid through > >over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > >All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & >right calipers.B >Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No >matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused some >damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new masters, did >you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master >cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 deg. F.B >If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the fluid goes way >down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. > > >Something to consider, anyway. > > > >Cheers. >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Tue May 19 19:56:07 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:56:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com><2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The pedal may get a bit better, but it's all relative. I've lost brake cooling from things like an abraded duct hose and you can almost quantify the temperature rise by the greater volume of burnt, bubbly fluid that comes out of the effected corner when you're bleeding with a clear hose. The toastier it has been, the more pumps it takes to clear things up. The bubbles (and the long pedal) will be worse with lower temp fluids or fluid that has been in the system for very long and taken up moisture. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Cc: "fot" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > Just because the calipers are rebuilt doesn't mean they retract the pad > slightly like they need to. Jack's were newly assembled, newly rebuilt > using new pieces, and they didn't retract properly so got too hot and > faded. If you have a lining that doesn't fade, it will just get really > hot and boil the brake fluid giving you a long pedal. However, I THINK > that the pedal gets better when things cool down. > > - Tony Drews From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed May 20 08:12:51 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels Message-ID: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 20 08:15:20 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3 - 6 close ratio gear sets. Message-ID: <4A141078.3080604@bright.net> Several list members had inquired about these sets. They are now available. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 08:36:14 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: <31462FDE-05EA-46BF-A4D4-BE056CF531CC@bnj.com> I measure them with a little pressure, and then put the head on and snug it down to something like full torque, pull it off and then measure again. The gasket and the seating surfaces may not be perfect. It's a good idea to see if stuff moved. It's not a dead horse given the nature of the head gaskets we have available. On May 20, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority > of you on > this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim > for when > setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner > clearance. Do > you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight > pressure or no > pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for > Rose Cup in > June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 20 09:10:02 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> One thing I did when putting in new sleeves last summer was to get a 12 inch extension bit for a 1/4 inch drill and mount a wire brush on the end to get down to the sleeve seat and wire brush it to get it really clean. Then wiped it clean with lacquer thinner. Didn't have appreciable difference measuring with sleeves clamped in place and just setting in place. Did have a heck of a time to get a good measurement. Tried flat, ground bar across sleeve and measuring with feeler gauge between bar and top of block, depth micrometer from sleeve to top of block and lastly, sweeping a dial indicator from top of sleeve to top of block with base of indicator on best part of block I could find. Still had about 0.004 on manifold side of block and about 0.006 on distributor side of block after averaging (sort or) all the readings. This was with the stock figure 8 gaskets that came with the sleeves from Ken Gilanders at BFE. After a lot of discussion with Jack Drews, put it together that way with a Payen head gasket and have had no problem in two race weekends and one school day (6 sessions). We're running about 11.1 to 1 compression. FWIW Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Pendergrass Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:13 AM To: friends of triumph Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed May 20 09:36:58 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:36:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels Message-ID: From cofrog at q.com Wed May 20 09:36:46 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] My Final Shot Message-ID: I ruined a 205-60-15 Hoosier Speedster last weekend. The other three are about half worn. I went fishing (without bait) earlier this week to the list hunting for a good used tire to replace the trashed one. I have used all the suggestions I received to find one without success and am trying this final time to see if I can score a good used speedster. Or does anyone need three of these (LOL). Thanks, Dan Forgey From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 09:54:30 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Final Shot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where are you located Dan? I might have one kicking around. On May 20, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Dan Forgey wrote: > I ruined a 205-60-15 Hoosier Speedster last weekend. The other > three are > about half worn. I went fishing (without bait) earlier this week > to the list > hunting for a good used tire to replace the trashed one. > > > > I have used all the suggestions I received to find one without > success and am > trying this final time to see if I can score a good used speedster. > Or does > anyone need three of these (LOL). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan Forgey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 20 10:28:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query Message-ID: Hi, I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never overheated and boiled over. At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the crank and it turned freely... So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 feet by yourself). Last night, the starter button worked okay. Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when hot but otherwise works okay? I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 10:38:17 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Wed May 20 10:47:12 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 20 10:54:43 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen a problem with that solution. The stranded wire I've seen is made of fine braided wires and with the sharp angle the wire makes the fine wires break eventually losing the connection. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:47 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 20 11:11:43 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> Message-ID: <7A27F85BBD29416A9775B629BB7E04EE@jdnet.deere.com> > Still had about 0.004 on manifold side of block and > about 0.006 on distributor side of block after averaging (sort or) all the > readings. IMO, some of the cylinder blocks are simply cut wrong. My street 3A has a block from a 56 TR3 that is even worse than that; about .001" on one side and .004" to .005" on the other. I went through a BUNCH of headgaskets before thinking to check both sides! Decking the block didn't appear to be a viable option, since the pistons were already kissing the head with a shim steel head gasket. So I added some copper wire to a stock head gasket to put extra pressure on the liner tops. Never had another head gasket leak, even with the high compression head. -- Randall From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Wed May 20 13:44:25 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1893671017.10495471242848665714.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bob, I make a loop in the wire to keep from making that sharp bend.B The length has to be long enough that the solder does not penetrate the length of the stranded wire - if it does then you just added more solid wire.B Check that the stranded wire is still flexible after soldering and all is good.B Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kramer" To: rkrantz77 at comcast.net, "Bill Babcock" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:54:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Fot] Starter Query I've seen a problem with that solution. The stranded wire I've seen is made of fine braided wires and with the sharp angle the wire makes the fine wires break eventually losing the connection. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:47 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 20 13:59:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:59:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: I slip in the sleeves by hand, no tools required. Then I install the head give about 80 percent of the toque on the head nuts. After that I measure the protrusion. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Pendergrass Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2009 16:13 An: friends of triumph Betreff: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 17:18:38 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:18:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That's the guy. Bob, I suspect your starter would be fine for another nine years if you did this little fix. On May 20, 2009, at 9:47 AM, rkrantz77 at comcast.net wrote: > The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the > solenoid area of the starter. I put in a short length of stranded > 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. > Ron Krantz > ReK Racing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Robert Lang" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query > > Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is > separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm > not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better > off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to > repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- > wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed May 20 22:24:09 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu May 21 05:07:27 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement References: Message-ID: <065601c9da04$54369f40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I think Uncle Jack was working on a conversion setup to use Miata seats, or something along those lines. Give Tony a shout and ask. Good luck, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement > Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat > replacement. > Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. > > Kev > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 21 05:36:55 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 06:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <320074380.284865.1242905815312.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 21 06:06:20 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <1220071862.286008.1242907580303.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> /MiJGbp: Permission denied From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 21 06:37:25 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401291C5F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> You could just buy Uncle Jack's TR6 with the Miata seats. ;-) Nice car! Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:24 PM To: RACER BUD; FOT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu May 21 07:00:31 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:00:31 GMT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 21 07:04:12 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090521130538.1C581187667@autox.team.net> I have a few TR-6 / Miata seat bracket kits left. If this is really for a TR-4 as indicated in the subject line, apparently the holes in the floor on a TR-4 are in a different place than the TR-6 and the kit doesn't work nearly as well - the seats end up too far outboard. Regardless, the Miata seats are decent and look pretty fitting in a TR-4 or a TR-6, so that's a possibility. - Tony Drews At 11:24 PM 5/20/2009, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: >Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat >replacement. >Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. > >Kev >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Thu May 21 07:22:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> Have any of you guys done, any research on the Alpine Seat from the UK. It looks like a good one. I'd like to know more about it. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu May 21 07:40:56 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:40:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> Message-ID: I did a Google search and found info about the Alpine Seat on this webpage but I also found some interesting Haynes manuals that they have for sale. Have a look. http://www.holden.co.uk/ Woman Haynes Manual By Dr. Ian Banks. The practical step-by-step guide to women's health, for men. Written to demistify medical jargon on topics from anaemia to weight loss, breast cancer to thrush, and all points in between, with the woman's point of view properly expressed. 152 pages with 24 in colour Sex Haynes Manual By Dr. Ian Banks. Written in a robust and realistic style this book deals with all possible health and recreational aspects of this popular pastime. Hints and tips, fault finding charts and illustrations in typical Haynes style. 152 pages, 24 in colour. Suitable for 16 years of age and older HGV Man Haynes Manual By Dr Ian Banks. Obesity is threatening to become the biggest single threat to the nation's health. This Haynes Manual offers down-to-earth advice to men on how to achieve and then maintain a healthy weight. The style is as robust and realistic as usual, with his personal experience of shedding 3 stone in 2004 turned to good account. For each copy sold, 50p will be donated to the Men's Health Forum. Hardback, 160 pages, 64 in colour Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'Joe Boruch'; klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Have any of you guys done, any research on the Alpine Seat from the UK. It looks like a good one. I'd like to know more about it. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu May 21 08:44:44 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: > Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati > did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not > look like anything special was done to install them. Gadfry! I've slept since then! I bought the seat frames from Mark Pelham and had to have them completely reupholstered. They were the early TR6 seats with the folding head rests. I really don't remember having any problems... except as mentioned, they did have me sitting higher in the car... high enough to need a smaller steering wheel so I could get under it. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 21 08:59:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:59:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090521145901358.MLAQ15274@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > Sex Haynes Manual I picked up a copy of that one, just as a joke. IMO that's about all it's good for. Randall From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 21 09:02:17 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 seat subject Message-ID: Thanks for all the helpful input & information! Kevin From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu May 21 19:15:51 2009 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01c9da7a$d961cb60$8c256220$@net> I have Pontiac Fiero seats in my TR3. I would not recommend them for a '3 but with the extra couple of inches of width available in a 4 or 6 and they should work fine. Ken Gano -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:24 PM To: RACER BUD; FOT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev From britbits at netzero.com Thu May 21 21:44:43 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question Message-ID: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a wheel at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of the wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" studs in the rear. Just curious about the rest of y'all. Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL849okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 21 21:59:56 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:59:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question In-Reply-To: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> References: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Message-ID: After loosing a wheel in West Bend at Lime Rock ( a very fast right hander with no run off) in my first serious outing and doing a very lovely pirouette about the left rear brake drum, I replaced all the studs on my Spit with some modified lug studs from a Chevy. I put out an offer to make them for other folks at the time and sold off a few sets. I still have the tooling for making them in fact. Saw it just last weekend when cleaning up around the lathe. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Jim wrote: > Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. > > On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" > wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? > > Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? > > And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? > > As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a > wheel > at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of > the > wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of > course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind > when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" > studs in the rear. > > Just curious about the rest of y'all. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL849okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 22 10:38:23 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question In-Reply-To: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Message-ID: I'm running 1/2 inch studs. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a wheel at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of the wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" studs in the rear. Just curious about the rest of y'all. Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL84 9okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri May 22 17:04:59 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solow's oil cooler adapter Message-ID: <000001c9db31$bc09a940$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone know which two fittings to use to make the oil cooler lines for Greg's adapter? I think it is one 90 and one 120 but I lost the notes I had taken while talking to him. Thanks, Greg From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 24 09:01:23 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 19:22:50 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR4 Racer on Ebay Message-ID: <525047.12007.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is anyone out there familiar with a red vintage racer prepared TR4 recently offered on Ebay? The car is currently based in Huntingdon Beach, CA. Thanks RB From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 25 20:40:12 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> Message-ID: <001601c9ddab$4c3d4640$e4b7d2c0$@com> Recently toured a restoration shop here in Wisconsin that has a 3-D scanner and a "printer" that creates a model of the part scanned. From that they can CNC mill the part. Have no idea of the cost. Probably not cheap but also not terribly expensive based on how quick they can do it. Pretty impressive! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:01 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Mon May 25 20:50:12 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (list at mackenzie.aero) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 02:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle Message-ID: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can help me out. For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early 2008. When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be used to adjust track as required. Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual tapered shaft with keyway. Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline My question are: Has anybody else seen this set-up? Who made this? Where are the shafts from? Any help will be appreciated. Robert MacKenzie Austin, TX From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon May 25 23:48:54 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:48:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of early "competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've had in my Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years ago) have always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the hub from outside to inside. Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange that connects outer axle to inner axle. Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle >I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can > help me out. > > For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 > (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of > the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some > point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I > bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early > 2008. > > When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and > re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear > suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling > the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and > putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I > don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive > shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch > my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 > inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be > used to adjust track as required. > > Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I > discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting > off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s > another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] > > I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and > was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual > tapered shaft with keyway. > > Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline > > My question are: > > Has anybody else seen this set-up? > Who made this? > Where are the shafts from? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Robert MacKenzie > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 26 12:21:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:21:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: <4375E49F8AD8434C9428790442C2D19B@Bud> looks like you have a competition axle setup ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle >I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can > help me out. > > For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 > (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of > the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some > point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I > bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early > 2008. > > When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and > re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear > suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling > the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and > putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I > don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive > shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch > my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 > inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be > used to adjust track as required. > > Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I > discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting > off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s > another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] > > I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and > was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual > tapered shaft with keyway. > > Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline > > My question are: > > Has anybody else seen this set-up? > Who made this? > Where are the shafts from? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Robert MacKenzie > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 26 12:46:53 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From d.hesse at charter.net Tue May 26 13:53:35 2009 From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 hours from Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: ============= Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue May 26 15:02:59 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> References: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> Message-ID: VSCDA race at Elkhart Lake September 11-13 On May 26, 2009, at 2:53 PM, wrote: > How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 > hours from > Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. > > > ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: > > ============= > Hi everyone! > > We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late > summer and > fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that > familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What > are > the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we > make one > or two more events this year (still too much else going on this > year!), > which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat > time, best > vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? > > We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, > but I > just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and > December. I > think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make > sure. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Jerry Barr jerrybarr at charter.net From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 26 16:33:57 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:33:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: I don't know how slow your tow vehicle is but you should be able to get to the Bluegrass track within a day. http://www.drivebluegrass.com/news/calendar.html September 25-27. is that close enough? BTW, How's your Donkey? Mike (stuck in Kentuck) http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:27:55 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <673993c50905261627i7e158804ufc323d8d667bfee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <673993c50905261627i7e158804ufc323d8d667bfee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673993c50905261627h4b55c32g69b86830e9ed6bef@mail.gmail.com> SVRA is at NJMP Oct. 1-4, it can probably be done in a day from Kentucky. It should be a really good Spitfire track. -Bob On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > SVRA is at NJMP Oct. 1-4, it can probably be done in a day from Kentucky. > It should be a really good Spitfire track. > > Bob > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> I don't know how slow your tow vehicle is but you should be able to get to >> the Bluegrass track within a day. >> http://www.drivebluegrass.com/news/calendar.html >> September 25-27. is that close enough? >> BTW, How's your Donkey? >> >> Mike (stuck in Kentuck) >> http://www.triumphowners.com/135 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:47 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and >> fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that >> familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are >> the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one >> or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), >> which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best >> vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? >> >> We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I >> just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I >> think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. >> >> Thanks for any assistance! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> >> Susan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 17:48:08 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy Message-ID: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. Unfortunately he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was referencing and have you had good experiences with his work? Best, Mark From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 26 18:09:05 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:48 PM 5/26/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in >California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. >Unfortunately he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was >referencing and have you had good experiences with his work? > >Best, > >Mark Yup, Rocker Arm Specialists. They did a great job on my lifters, ISTR $2.50 each. Dirt cheap. jim >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 18:33:56 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A1C8A74.2050500@twcny.rr.com> From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 18:34:35 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A1C8A9B.5080806@twcny.rr.com> Gotta love that - thanks! M From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 26 18:36:29 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:36:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <23123397.1243384589257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here is a cool website and useful link to find out about all the race-tracks your area (and more). http://www.trackpedia.com ~Steve From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 26 18:49:54 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:49:54 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Message-ID: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main caps. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Cc: Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to install. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ From britbits at netzero.com Tue May 26 19:33:05 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> Message-ID: <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> Zippo Vintage Gran Prix at Watkins Glen ( http://www.theglen.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/US-Vintage-Grand-Prix.aspx ) September 11-13 Friday afternoon car show and race reenactment on original course (imagine big blocks punching onto main street ;) Then the action moves to the race track, with good infield camping. 8am wake up call by run groups. Everything from 998 Minis to the high dollar stuff will show up for the weekend. Some FOT'ers don't like all the armco. I'm sure there are a few who don't mind. Got to see Kas and crew there in the early 90s. Look for the firewood sellers along the road to the track. It will be in the 50s (or colder) in the morning. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of d.hesse at charter.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfiresuz at 141.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 hours from Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: ============= Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in surveys! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYROFvuyMzDljZg4FU3tNlL7r tUfwUwFMAWaQycca4jYDDTWWflM44/ From fogbro1 at comcast.net Tue May 26 20:07:34 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:07:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> Mark, He means Rocker Arm Specialist, Anderson, CA. You can find 'em with a Google search. I have not used them for lifter work. I've used Integral Cams, http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had a problem. His prices for a hardness check and a regrind have skyrocketed though. Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy > Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in > California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. Unfortunately > he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was referencing and have > you had good experiences with his work? > > Best, > > Mark From billb at bnj.com Tue May 26 20:35:12 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:35:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> Message-ID: <437FE0E6-BA2C-41C3-92D6-88E361533D75@bnj.com> Absolutely. I love the Glen, even if Peyote got belted there. Went back last year and had just as much fun. Great show and great racing. I could be wrong, but it seems like Watkins Glen is a bit further than a days drive to Kentucky. The VIR Gold Cup is a very cool event. Kind of a ho-hum track but the facilities are topnotch. I guess I shouldn't call it ho-hum, but there's some long straights and Peyote's not much for those, though it might be different with my new 3.5 rear end. Sure is nice not running out of revs. And first gear is now a usable gear. I've now got a useful four speed, though the ratios are a bit wide with the rear end multiplier. On May 26, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Jim wrote: > Zippo Vintage Gran Prix at Watkins Glen ( > http://www.theglen.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/US-Vintage-Grand-Prix.aspx > ) > > September 11-13 > > Friday afternoon car show and race reenactment on original course > (imagine > big blocks punching onto main street ;) > Then the action moves to the race track, with good infield camping. > 8am > wake up call by run groups. > > Everything from 998 Minis to the high dollar stuff will show up for > the > weekend. > > Some FOT'ers don't like all the armco. I'm sure there are a few who > don't > mind. Got to see Kas and crew there in the early 90s. > > Look for the firewood sellers along the road to the track. It will > be in > the 50s (or colder) in the morning. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of d.hesse at charter.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfiresuz at 141.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? > > How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 > hours from > Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. > > > ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: > > ============= > Hi everyone! > > We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late > summer and > fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that > familiar > with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the > must-do > events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two > more > events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which > would be > the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage > presence, coolest track, etc.)? > > We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, > but I > just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and > December. I > think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make > sure. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in > surveys! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYROFvuyMzDljZg4FU3tNlL7r > tUfwUwFMAWaQycca4jYDDTWWflM44/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 26 22:00:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... - Tony Drews At 07:49 PM 5/26/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: >I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's >to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England >that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not >need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main >caps. Joe(B) > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: "Bob Kramer" >To: Undisclosed-recipients:; >Cc: >Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps >Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > >In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 >block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front >and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My >machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We >talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all >around. Has anyone done this? > >Bob Kramer >Austin, TX >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Tue May 26 22:31:32 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:00:40 -0500 > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but it > doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews > > At 07:49 PM 5/26/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: > >I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > >to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > >that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > >need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > >caps. Joe(B) > > > >---------- Original Message ---------- > >From: "Bob Kramer" > >To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > >Cc: > >Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > >Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > > >In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > >block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > >and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > >machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > >talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > >around. Has anyone done this? > > > >Bob Kramer > >Austin, TX > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 26 22:37:02 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:37:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From billb at bnj.com Tue May 26 23:12:51 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 26 23:16:02 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:16:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> To my knowledge, under racing setup, folks have had trouble getting head gaskets to seal with them. They don't need as much (or any?) milling to achieve higher compression ratios, but they have the reputation of warping and then causing head gasket failure. - Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 5/26/2009, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: >Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 26 23:57:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock form, revs to 9000 RPM and all from 1997 cc. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:13 PM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 27 00:19:44 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:19:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Ask Jon Ellison (UK) He was racing a white TR4 supposed to be at 220 hp and now is doing with a TR6. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6734978036873641557&hl=en Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony and Annie Garmey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 06:32 An: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed May 27 00:23:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: <3B5926EE884742EFAF37EE6716FFD22B@rocky> Oops -- typo on Duane's e-mail -- correct is dbailey_wmi at yahoo.com His business is West Michigan Imports --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle > Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of > early "competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've > had in my Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years > ago) have always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the > hub from outside to inside. > > Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange > that connects outer axle to inner axle. > > Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend > Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar > business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). > dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774. > > --Rocky Entriken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM > Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle > > >>I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can >> help me out. >> >> For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 >> (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of >> the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some >> point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I >> bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early >> 2008. >> >> When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and >> re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear >> suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling >> the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and >> putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I >> don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive >> shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch >> my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 >> inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be >> used to adjust track as required. >> >> Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I >> discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting >> off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s >> another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] >> >> I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and >> was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual >> tapered shaft with keyway. >> >> Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline >> >> My question are: >> >> Has anybody else seen this set-up? >> Who made this? >> Where are the shafts from? >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> Austin, TX >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 27 00:28:13 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If you use an aluminum head you have to go with stretch bolts. Does mean the bolt has 0.8 x 1/2" diameter outside the threaded areas. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 07:16 An: Tony and Annie Garmey; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps To my knowledge, under racing setup, folks have had trouble getting head gaskets to seal with them. They don't need as much (or any?) milling to achieve higher compression ratios, but they have the reputation of warping and then causing head gasket failure. - Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 5/26/2009, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: >Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 27 01:50:22 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090527075022391.IWXA11639@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> > The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock > form, Also, if I'm not mistaken, a cross-flow head, 4 valves per cylinder, dual overhead camshafts, and nearly hemispherical combustion chambers. Randall From billb at bnj.com Wed May 27 02:41:30 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:41:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> Counter rotating DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder VTEC intake and exhaust, mega-trick heads, direct ignition and multi-point fuel injection, carbon fiber reinforced liners. And ladder-type bearing supports. A lot more going on there than bearing count. On May 26, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock form, > revs to > 9000 RPM and all from 1997 cc. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:13 PM > To: Tony Drews > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. > Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do > something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can > already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a > lot better flow. > > A good flowing head, now that's interesting. From gwizracing at cfu.net Wed May 27 05:40:44 2009 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking at a 1972 Tr6 this afternoon. Message-ID: <4A1D26BC.2090301@cfu.net> I am going to look at a TR6 this afternoon. It was recently on e-bay, but did not meet it's reserve. I was wondering if current TR6 owners from the FOT could give me a heads up on what to look for as typical problem areas! I've had a TR4 in the past but have no experience with a TR6. Thanks, Gary Wiezorek Former Red VSCDA TR4 #96 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 05:53:30 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > Counter rotating DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder VTEC intake and exhaust, > mega-trick heads, direct ignition and multi-point fuel injection, carbon > fiber reinforced liners. And ladder-type bearing supports. A lot more going > on there than bearing count. And, I might add - that motor is pretty well maxed out. I know a few years ago a few autocrossers were trying to work on the motor to run in SCCA Street Prepared class and they had very little luck getting more power using class-legal mods. I didn't follow the thread after about two years ago, but we don't see too many Honda powered mod cars at the national level. Kool motor, but Honda took the fun out of building for "some" of us. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 05:58:40 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float Message-ID: Hi, I'm doing my "last" nut/bolt check before running my car for the first time this season and I noticed that I have a bit of bearing play in my rear axles which are the Gp44 / Wingett corvair conversion. I know squat about the hubs, but is there a way to set the end-float? I'll probably run the car, but I need to convince tech that the setup is really "okay" before they give me an annual tech sticker. Any pointers would be appreciated. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 27 06:14:35 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: Not 8K? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:13 AM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed May 27 07:22:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:22:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> Not much point. No ponies up there. On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Not 8K? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 27 08:19:02 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:19:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> This wouldn't be that difficult to do. We already have cranks available with the extra bearing surfaces. Just bolt or weld in a couple of extra webs. Believe it or not, this was a common era modification to Model T motors. Larry Young Tony Drews wrote: > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. > > - Tony Drews From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 27 08:27:21 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4A1D4DC9.8040405@pobox.com> Rimco (rimcovw.com) does lifter reconditioning and are located in Santa Ana, CA. I spoke to Steve at Integral last week about their lifter resurfacing. He told me that more than half the cost (time) is in the micropolishing they do. Is this worth the extra cost? Larry Young Ed Woods wrote: > Mark, > > I've used Integral Cams, http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had > a problem. His prices for a hardness check and a regrind have > skyrocketed though. > > Ed Woods From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed May 27 09:04:51 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Limerock's Fall Vintage festival is fun. Labor day weekend, repaved track, nice turn out of cars. Do this event and head to the Glen for the next weekend, spend the week between at the Finger Lakes wineries. June 15th is the cutoff date for entries. Contact info Jeanette Veitenheimer Vintage Festival Lime Rock Park Vintagefestival at limerock.com There is nothing like the perfect late-summer afternoons that the Northwest corner of Connecticut produced, and with a breath-taking collection of cars that take to the track, there is no better way to spend Labor Day weekend. Fans discover the glamour, glory and style of historic and vintage sports cars as they claim focus of the event both on track, in the open paddock and during the prestigious Sunday in the Park Automotive Extravaganza. Sunday in the Park has evolved from what was essentially considered a local car show 27 years ago into a Car Show and Concours extravaganza devoted to automotive beauty, history and diversity. The Park will be engulfed with interesting vintage and historic sports cars, classics, customs and hot rods, woodies, trucks, racing cars, and motorcycles. There will also be marque car club groupings including Morgan, celebrating their 100th anniversary, Porsche, BMW, Corvette and Aston Martin. This is a must see event, and if you would like to show your car, please e-mail vintagefestival at limerock.com for more information. Mike Harmuth From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 09:18:12 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 2009, George Harmuth wrote: > Limerock's Fall Vintage festival is fun. Labor day weekend, repaved track, > nice turn out of cars. Do this event and head to the Glen for the next > weekend, spend the week between at the Finger Lakes wineries. Do they really let plebian cars like Triumphs play that at the Lime Rock Vintage Festival??? This is a serious question. I thought the answer was no, but I could be wrong. > June 15th is the cutoff date for entries. > Contact info > > Jeanette Veitenheimer > Vintage Festival > Lime Rock Park > Vintagefestival at limerock.com regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 27 09:51:27 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> Message-ID: Ken Gilanders has mentioned that they are running into the 8's. I get power up to about 7400 with the BFE 24 and at those rpms I have to watch my downshifts. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:23 AM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: Tony Drews; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Not much point. No ponies up there. On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Not 8K? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed May 27 10:12:30 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:12:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> Wow - thanks for all the responses about good events! There were lots to choose from. Based on our schedule and vacation time, it looks like we will shoot for the following: Sept. 11-13 VSCDA Elkhart Lake event - Road America Sept. 25-27 HSR event - Bluegrass Motorsports Park (can't pass up a race event on my birthday weekend less than two hours from home!) Dec. 11-13 VDCA event - Roebling Road Raceway I have a question about eligibility in to HSR -- we'll see how that goes. We hope to see lots of FOTers at those events! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 10:39:42 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> References: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <277972.83640.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is also Vintage au Grattan at Grattan, MI August 14-16. It is also a VSCDA event. ________________________________ From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Wow - thanks for all the responses about good events! There were lots to choose from. Based on our schedule and vacation time, it looks like we will shoot for the following: Sept. 11-13 VSCDA Elkhart Lake event - Road America Sept. 25-27 HSR event - Bluegrass Motorsports Park (can't pass up a race event on my birthday weekend less than two hours from home!) Dec. 11-13 VDCA event - Roebling Road Raceway I have a question about eligibility in to HSR -- we'll see how that goes. We hope to see lots of FOTers at those events! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gwizracing at cfu.net Wed May 27 10:56:11 2009 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks (Looking at a TR6 today) Message-ID: <4A1D70AB.3000106@cfu.net> I appreciate all the responses and good tips sent to me regarding the TR6. Thanks, Gary Wiezorek Old TR4 #96 From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 27 12:36:13 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:36:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> Message-ID: More bearings, more friction as Bill stated, and you will lose power and not gain much in the reliability area. To what point? If you want to spend some time on that engine, work on the weak point of the engine, the head and the ports. But, even without more bearings and valves etc it still makes nice engine power for something that was invented about the time of Caesar. I worked on this for a while but could not see an possible way that I would ever get the investment back or even close. Mordy Duns has worked out a way to give you less power and two more bearings I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Tony Drews" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > This wouldn't be that difficult to do. We already have cranks available > with the extra bearing surfaces. Just bolt or weld in a couple of extra > webs. Believe it or not, this was a common era modification to Model T > motors. > Larry Young > > Tony Drews wrote: >> If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's >> something to aspire too. >> - Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 27 17:28:27 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I never considered end float. I just get them close. I would say that if you notice it loose on the ground (the way they check them at a solo) you could tighten them one flat. Just don't get them too tight. I have only had problems from them being too tight. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float Hi, I'm doing my "last" nut/bolt check before running my car for the first time this season and I noticed that I have a bit of bearing play in my rear axles which are the Gp44 / Wingett corvair conversion. I know squat about the hubs, but is there a way to set the end-float? I'll probably run the car, but I need to convince tech that the setup is really "okay" before they give me an annual tech sticker. Any pointers would be appreciated. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.41/2136 - Release Date: 05/26/09 20:20:00 From adams910 at gmail.com Wed May 27 18:37:35 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <673993c50905271725x78183e06g5ec268bb94aece58@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> <673993c50905271725x78183e06g5ec268bb94aece58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673993c50905271737x79c41dedm2f5ffe0a0b25ad05@mail.gmail.com> > Some of the top MGB guys are claiming 7800-8000rpm from both the 3 main and > the 5 main bearing motors. These motors are putting out 185-200bhp (dyno > dependent) on twin 1 3/4 SU's. > > Bob A From rblake36 at yahoo.com Thu May 28 10:36:07 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (rblake36 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Flu Message-ID: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My son Greg recently completed his TR3 vintage racer and began qualification for his compettion license. I have been infected by this highly contagious virus. Recently found a vintage race prepared TR4 on ebay (link below) and would appreciate input from the FOT community about this vehicle. Thanks R Blake http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW X:IT&item=150346074606 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 28 10:52:43 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:52:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Flu In-Reply-To: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car has something nice behind the oil sump. Something that catches oil? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von rblake36 at yahoo.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 18:36 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] TR4 Flu My son Greg recently completed his TR3 vintage racer and began qualification for his compettion license. I have been infected by this highly contagious virus. Recently found a vintage race prepared TR4 on ebay (link below) and would appreciate input from the FOT community about this vehicle. Thanks R Blake http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MED W X:IT&item=150346074606 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 28 14:56:35 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Motorhead 101 - End of the road for University Motors MG Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Feibusch To: Rick Fiebusch Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Motorhead 101 - End of the road for University Motors MG submitted by MG owner Don Scott of Calistoga, CA...... End of the road Date: May 28, 2009 4:03 PM http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/ Sad, Best, Rick From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 28 17:55:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 4 New trunk monkeys! Message-ID: this is REALLY FUNNY..and a Triumph ..of sorts! ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig To: Craig Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: 4 New trunk monkeys! Caution if viewing at work - laughter is a dead giveaway you're goofing off. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv] From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 28 20:04:23 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? Message-ID: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. tia jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 28 08:56:16 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps/engineering secrets References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> Message-ID: <006101c9dfa4$74d77e40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Kas: You are giving away secrets of a wannabe engineer. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC Triple R Munitions, Inc. 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Larry Young" ; "Tony Drews" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > . Mordy Dunst has worked out a way to give you less power and two more > bearings I believe. From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 29 11:35:20 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> 71 g J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per > Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got > some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like > they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not > look or feel like they've been lightened. > > tia > > jim > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Fri May 29 18:42:42 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] DCTRA Newsletter Message-ID: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> I just published the new issue of the DCTRA Newletter last night. I'm sure the FOT will enjoy the photo on page 14 ;) http://www.dctra.org/News/Jun2009.pdf From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri May 29 18:51:14 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] DCTRA Newsletter In-Reply-To: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> References: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Couple small dents and a bent bumper but still a nice looking car. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 29, 2009, at 6:42 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I just published the new issue of the DCTRA Newletter last night. > > I'm sure the FOT will enjoy the photo on page 14 ;) > > http://www.dctra.org/News/Jun2009.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat May 30 06:46:04 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat May 30 12:58:38 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bartlett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ X4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Sat May 30 11:59:58 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:59:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Is it really quiet? Message-ID: <8CBAF6794C1EADF-F9C-230C@webmail-mh38.sysops.aol.com> Is it really this quiet or have I been banned :) ? From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat May 30 12:13:03 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:13:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: Hey, Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? I get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust he was innocent as well. If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go after it. Anybody know what it is? Steve, who's not sending the stuff... **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 12:24:13 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (MSCC News) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: It took me several years racing to figure out I needed professional help. Building race engines I mean. I built a lot of street engines that lasted forever but proved I couldn't keep a high-CR race engine screwed together. Head gasket issues mostly, both TRs and Minis. There's the old saw about experience being the best teacher because it's the most expensive. The pros deserve whatever I pay them. Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bartlett" To: "Chuck Arnold" ; "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 30 12:39:33 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Build my own but mine are just autox engines. Marty > From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com > To: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:38 -0500 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I > built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second > build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. > > An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build > it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. > > Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Bartlett > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Chuck Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along > with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the > TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not > look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum > sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of > the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch > wrote: > > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for > TR3/4's > > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in > England > > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they > should > not > > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with > main > > caps. Joe(B) > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: "Bob Kramer" > > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > > Cc: > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue > a TR4 > > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the > front > > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear > cap. > My > > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. > We > > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps > all > > around. Has anyone done this? > > > > Bob Kramer > > Austin, TX > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and > easy to > > install. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ > X4u6t > > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From kaskas at cox.net Sat May 30 13:31:18 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:31:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> Every pro builder out there started as a do-it-yourselfer. Detail is the problem with most. Patience and detail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Bill Bartlett'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? >I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I > built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second > build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. > > An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build > it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. > > Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Bartlett > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Chuck Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along > with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the > TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not > look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum > sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of > the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch > wrote: >> I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for > TR3/4's >> to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in > England >> that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they > should > not >> need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with > main >> caps. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: Undisclosed-recipients:; >> Cc: >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 >> >> In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue > a TR4 >> block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the > front >> and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear > cap. > My >> machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. > We >> talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps > all >> around. Has anyone done this? >> >> Bob Kramer >> Austin, TX >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and > easy to >> install. >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ > X4u6t >> UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 30 13:55:32 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? References: Message-ID: <8A1E2469A6CB4C339923443B0366AF8D@rocky> I've gotten spam "from" myself! I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well tell from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > Hey, > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > I > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > he was > innocent as well. > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > MaystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat May 30 13:38:35 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:38:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >71 g Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. >J.C. Hassall wrote: >>Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per >>Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just >>got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel >>like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and >>definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. >> >>tia >> >>jim >> >>-- >>J.C. Hassall >>Blacksburg VA >>'63 TR4 in autox preparation >>96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat May 30 14:11:27 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:11:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: So you're saying it's an internal thing? Odd that. Nonetheless, I'm relieved to hear that. I wouldn't want you all to think I'm touting Cealis or somesuch;-)) In a message dated 5/30/2009 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: I've gotten spam "from" myself! I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well tell from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > Hey, > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > I > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > he was > innocent as well. > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > MaystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From dave at microworks.net Sat May 30 14:26:07 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090530202646.C1B8818B1A8@autox.team.net> No. It is not an "internal" thing - meaning that you are sending to yourself. Rather as I indicated in that email to you off-list two hours ago... ------------------- As a Web/email host provider what we generally see this being is one of two probable causes. 1. Someone that you know (of who has your email address in their Outlook address book) is infected and the rouge piece of software is reading the Outlook address book to sends it's crap out. It will send to all the addresses that it finds and will pretend to be sending from those same addresses. or 2. Someone is sending out that mail pretending to be you. If you want forward one to me and I'll see if the message headers can give a clue as to which probably sources you are seeing. ------------------- At 01:11 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >So you're saying it's an internal thing? Odd that. Nonetheless, I'm >relieved to hear that. I wouldn't want you all to think I'm >touting Cealis or >somesuch;-)) > > >In a message dated 5/30/2009 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >rocky at spitfire4.com writes: > >I've gotten spam "from" myself! > >I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as >pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. > >Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted >addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an >attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a >message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again >because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not >good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well >tell >from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my >inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. > >--Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM >Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > > > > Hey, > > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > > I > > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > > he was > > innocent as well. > > > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > > easy > > steps! > > >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > > MaystepsfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > >**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >MaystepsfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat May 30 14:59:28 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090530205929728.GJSC15569@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 15:17:33 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: <124568.58414.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True, and Good advice .... My problem with the blocking is that I am now corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, so I cannot conveniently block those addresses ... oh well :>((( ... I just dont open attachments unless there is a note along with them from the sender, and it makes some sense to me. I have also written back and asked if something was sent by the person I know... usually it is (always in my case), but it never hurts to check. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:59 PM > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 15:20:54 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: <985525.32891.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. The advice below is true, and Good advice .... My problem with the blocking is that I am now corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, so I cannot conveniently block those addresses ... The harder part is leaning the russian language and keyboard ... anyone here want to help me with learning russian????? oh well :>((( ... I just dont open attachments unless there is a note along with them from the sender, and it makes some sense to me. I have also written back and asked if something was sent by the person I know... usually it is (always in my case), but it never hurts to check. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:59 PM > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 30 16:02:17 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? References: <20090530205929728.GJSC15569@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <5FD5756BA9054EA8AAFB3BF0CAF68306@rocky> This has screwed me up in the past, when my ISP was transmitting through his own domain name, another of his clients was (purportedly) sending spam, so since my messages were in the same IP address range they were getting blocked. This practice doesn't block one address, but dozens at a time including the innocent. People I was legitimately corresponding with -- many of them business communications -- could not receive me and in some cases could not send to me. My ISP fixed it by starting to relay his clients through AT&T which was big enough nobody puts up a spam blocker on *that* IP address range. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? but the only consistently effective method I have found is to > determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all > traffic from that range of IP addresses. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 30 18:57:07 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:57:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A21D5E3.9040708@bradakis.com> This topic reminds me that I've been meaning to write up some stuff about how Team.Net works, the reasons for various things and such. Maybe if I don't spend all night watching Iron Chef episodes on Youtube I can make some progress on it. But right now I have some ribs on the grill for tonight's dinner, and some pizza dough to make later for tomorrow's dinner. mjb. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 30 22:12:08 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter hardness. My new lifters weigh in at 68g My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and successful race motor weighed 52g. ~STEVE On May 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >> 71 g > > Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. > > >> J.C. Hassall wrote: >>> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some >>> per Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I >>> just got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which >>> feel like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and >>> definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. >>> >>> tia >>> >>> jim >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. Hassall >>> Blacksburg VA >>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>> 96% finished, 90% to go >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 30 22:39:46 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <2FA2612B-7235-4998-93D1-F6AA8AE989E1@earthlink.net> I've been working on a TR3-4 engine this weekend, I've been chipping away at the build for a long time. I take 3 steps forward, then 1 step back but I'm making progress. This is my spare motor and I thought it would be cool to have it all ready to go in the garage so when the time comes, I just pop it in. Unfortunately, It doesn't have all the same trick parts as my current motor so when I do put it in, I can count on less power as it contains a milder cam. Also P to W clearance is about maxed out. The thing is, I still plan on improving my lap times because I'm still learning the car and the tracks. This spare motor has a simple tray that gets sandwiched between the sump and a couple of sump gaskets and permatex black. I was torquing all the sump bolts down evenly until one decided to break off in the block. Now, I get to take the sump off again and attempt to extract the stupid broken bolt. Of course I don't like flipping the fresh engine over on the stand and creating tiny pieces of metal that can easily fall in and stick to the assembly lube on the crank. I made a piece of cardboard that fits over the bottom of the block that I can tape down to keep out any fragments of the bolt. I can't believe it broke, I was really tightening everything up carefully and it went from tight to rubber real fast. I bought an 11" degree wheel from Summit and it really helps with accuracy when the wheel is big and easy to read. It's fun assembling the engine but I don't expect it to be fun extracting a broken bolt from the block. ~Steve From cwn74 at aol.com Sun May 31 08:07:04 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR In-Reply-To: <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <012601c9e1f9$139d6c00$3ad84400$@com> I only see one Triumph at the SVRA event June 5-7 at VIR I thought there would be many! I'll be there (crewing for a MGTD though!). Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sun May 31 09:15:31 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:15:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR Message-ID: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> /LT1iXc: Permission denied From cwn74 at aol.com Sun May 31 09:33:45 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR In-Reply-To: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> References: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <012e01c9e205$2fd91700$8f8b4500$@com> My quick scan of the entry list was obviously too quick! Hi Dean! It will be great to see you again (since VTR in Richmond), this time racing! Ibll be with #928 MGTD (my college buddy driving), this is a big MG event (and Morgan). Search Frank Filangeri on youtube for some incar at Watkins Glen and NHMS. Ibm amazed at how fast those clunky-looking cars go! Should be a fun weekend (except the tow from/to Long Island)! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun May 31 10:18:49 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:18:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZS carbs running rich Message-ID: <000401c9e20b$7ba81360$b1191718@computer> My fairly recently rebuilt ZS carbs on my '74 TR6 are running rich (tailpipe has black soot). There is a gas smell in the engine compartment too. The gas smell seems to be coming from one of the carbs. Does this sound like the float level is too high in this carb? There are no outright gas leaks. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 31 10:37:45 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZS carbs running rich In-Reply-To: <000401c9e20b$7ba81360$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20090531163745043.RRNV24124@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> > My fairly recently rebuilt ZS carbs on my '74 TR6 are running > rich (tailpipe has black soot). There is a gas smell in the > engine compartment too. The gas smell seems to be coming > from one of the carbs. Does this sound like the float level > is too high in this carb? Sounds to me more like the float valve is not sealing completely. Could be crud in the valve, defective valve, broken gasket where they screw in, fuel pressure too high, etc. But check the level too. Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 31 11:49:07 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:49:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> Message-ID: <4A22C313.108@pobox.com> I agree completely. That is why I build my own engines, transmissions, rear ends, ......... Kas Kastner wrote: > Every pro builder out there started as a do-it-yourselfer. Detail is > the problem with most. Patience and detail. From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun May 31 11:51:13 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com><0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2C9A2CB4804B42D8A1DEBD129EEB1AF5@ComputerPC> I installed a new set of BP Northwest lifters with an Isky TR555 regrind in June 2007. #6 lifter and cam lobe are ruined and #3 was on the way. I am done with new lifters! I am having old lifters reground this time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? >I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new >engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their >hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance >with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter >hardness. > > My new lifters weigh in at 68g > My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g > My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and > successful race motor weighed 52g. > > ~STEVE > > > On May 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > >> At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >>> 71 g >> >> Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. >> >> >>> J.C. Hassall wrote: >>>> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per >>>> Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got >>>> some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like >>>> they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not >>>> look or feel like they've been lightened. >>>> >>>> tia >>>> >>>> jim >>>> >>>> -- >>>> J.C. Hassall >>>> Blacksburg VA >>>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>>> 96% finished, 90% to go >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 31 12:03:47 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> Early last year uncle jack did a lot of research on lifter hardness (check the archives). He found the BPNW lifters consistently tested about 57 Rc. The only problem with them is that someone in India or Pakistan, or wherever they are made decided to put a rather large chamfer on the edge. This cuts down the effect diameter by about 0.040. If your cam requires a full sized lifter, don't use them without removing the chamfer. Larry Steven Belfer wrote: > I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my > new engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states > their hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking > a chance with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on > lifter hardness. > > My new lifters weigh in at 68g > My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g > My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and > successful race motor weighed 52g. > > ~STEVE From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun May 31 13:30:20 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com><0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3B2FD8A5FB844BA49326A79CE8C2FD6F@ComputerPC> I asked the guy at BPNW (the son) when I bought my lifters from him - how many do you test? He said they buy them in batches of 1000 and test 3. I bought them anyway because of good reports from listers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Steven Belfer" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? > Early last year uncle jack did a lot of research on lifter hardness (check > the archives). He found the BPNW lifters consistently tested about 57 Rc. > The only problem with them is that someone in India or Pakistan, or > wherever they are made decided to put a rather large chamfer on the edge. > This cuts down the effect diameter by about 0.040. If your cam requires a > full sized lifter, don't use them without removing the chamfer. > Larry > > Steven Belfer wrote: >> I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new >> engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their >> hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance >> with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter >> hardness. >> >> My new lifters weigh in at 68g >> My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g >> My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and >> successful race motor weighed 52g. >> >> ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun May 31 17:26:25 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:26:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). If I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby. But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. I put together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. Of course, Kas's books are invaluable! I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too. But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. No knock to them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff to make sense, I think. - Tony Drews Quoting Bill Bartlett : > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun May 31 17:46:11 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> I've rebuilt our engine, first doing the head, summer of 2006, after the original was found to be cracked, then the bottom end, winter of 2007, when I found the bearings needed replacing and the crank ground, and then the sleeves and pistons when we overheated and cracked two of the liners, summer of 2008. I have been accused of being a perfectionist, but in the case of engines I think this a good thing. Being a graduate engineer, I also have a very keen sense of attention to detail. I've always gotten the right gauges to measure and check things and have 3 Snap-On torque wrenches which I use to torque just about everything (which sometimes drives my partner, son Ryan, a little crazy). I've also made quite a few special tools to do the job right using the lathe and milling machine I have. (I did control engineering in the machine tool industry for over 40 years, you learn quite a bit on how to use the machine tools when you have to design and develop the controls to make them work.) Without the help I got from Jack and Tony Drews I'm sure I would have had problems but the engine runs strong and we have 2 schools and 3 races on it so far. Still running strong. Have learned a lot in the process. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bartlett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6 t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun May 31 20:39:56 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> HI Gang - thanks Tony Here are the updated tabular results from both the MG and Triumph gang. Please keep in mind this is purely curiosity. I actually have my engines professionally built and am thankful for the results. Particularly on the A. A friend of mine started doing his engines and as so many said: It adds to the enjoyment for him, and saves on the pocket book if you have the time and inclination. So here goes: MGVR Racer Built 4 Pro Built 3 FOT Racer Built 13 Pro Built 3 Partial assembly or some times 2 I think the MGVR gang were hard at it in the garages this weekend getting ready for the Gold Cup. I am still at it - just taking a break before I button the A back up. So perhaps we will get some more responses a bit latter. Good luck to every one this season Bill Bartlett MGA Coupe 348 GT6 # unknown (Hopeful Fall Launch) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). If I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby. But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. I put together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. Of course, Kas's books are invaluable! I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too. But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. No knock to them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff to make sense, I think. - Tony Drews Quoting Bill Bartlett : > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun May 31 21:14:54 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:14:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> Message-ID: <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO [build my own]. Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot on too. Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a perfectionist it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On the other hand about the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the head because it's necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient. My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's where the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it right the first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and what I expect of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other year tear-down has worked. Each of three times now I've been able to find concerns before they became problems. One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a hole thru the cover or worse. Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.- I'm cheap but DO want to get it right. The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or inferior material I'll never know, but it was caught in time. On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A friend of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has been sending his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two seasons now and is now ready to go for every four races! If you can afford that, go for it. I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are on the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of patience and attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's not your thing, don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always have at least a bit more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having said that I will do as best I can to avoid The Big One. As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the BMO are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to the others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From kaskas at cox.net Sun May 31 22:26:23 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <036084C1825F400AA6E090017523BD13@KasPC> For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth. Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" ; "Bill Bartlett" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO [build > my own]. Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot on too. > Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a perfectionist > it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On the other hand about > the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the head because it's > necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient. > My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's where > the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it right the > first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and what I expect > of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other year tear-down has > worked. Each of three times now I've been able to find concerns before > they became problems. > One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was > getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a hole > thru the cover or worse. > Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see > astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.- I'm > cheap but DO want to get it right. > The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or inferior > material I'll never know, but it was caught in time. > On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A friend > of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has been sending > his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two seasons now and is > now ready to go for every four races! If you can afford that, go for it. > I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are on > the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of patience and > attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's not your thing, > don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always have at least a bit > more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having said that I will do as > best I can to avoid The Big One. > As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the BMO > are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to the > others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun May 31 22:59:38 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Its the end of the world as we know it Message-ID: <65f1eaba0905312159k38e78644v70b7ec5d0375ae7c@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Just a note from out here on the West Coast that you might want to stock up on water and dry food since the seventh sign of the apocalypse has just reared its ugly head. Last weekend we competed in our second 24 Hours of LeMons held at Reno-Fernley Raceway in our TR7. Despite having been purchased for $500 and with little (or no) work done to the car, it succeeded in finishing (again) the entire race with little difficulty. We finished 36th out of some 170 cars (we would have been in the top 20 but for a couple of crappy pit stops) and competed against several 944s, Mazda RX-7s, Miatas, BMWs and Alfas. The little Brit Shitbox just refused to die and was able to actually pass some much faster cars due to selective passing (tight corners with a downhill portion following) and strong doses of driver courage. A lot of vintage racers compete in Lemons, but do so in modern machinery (BMW, Honda, etc.). It felt good to do it in a Triumph. Some of you may recall that we led last year's race up until the middle of the second day so we are pleased with our performance to date. The old girl will race again in the California Lemons race in August with Chuck Gee, John Frymark, Alan Mizutani and Mike Bruner at the wheel. I encourage all of you to take a crack at a Lemons race near you since the spectacle is beyond your wildest imagination and its something to see some 200 cars on the track at the same time. Sleep well tonight knowing that the car that killed Triumph managed to atone (in part) for its dismal history and competed on equal footing against more modern and faster machinery. -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 31 23:39:49 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: <5FD5756BA9054EA8AAFB3BF0CAF68306@rocky> Message-ID: <20090601053948269.GXOI24335@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> > This has screwed me up in the past, when my ISP was > transmitting through his own domain name, another of his > clients was (purportedly) sending spam, so since my messages > were in the same IP address range they were getting blocked. Well, I left out some details. Basically, any responsible ISP should be willing to take action against their customers who are spammers. But some ISPs are "spam havens" and will not take action. If they had an abuse address registered, I usually reported the spam the first time, and only blocked them for a second offense. Also, since they were my filters (as opposed to my ISP), I could collect the spam and occasionally sift through it for possibly important messages. But I'll agree that no system is perfect. Randall From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Fri May 1 08:45:14 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Dinner Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A41B3F05@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Tim Suddart, Just a word of thanks for making the group 44 dinner happen. I sat beside Fred Gambel for dinner and had the most interesting chat re group 44, British Leyland (Fred was the Competition Director), Good year tire Co, the Cobra Racing efforts, Camoradi racing, tracks and characters from around the world. Wow - it was like talking to history! A truly memorable occasion. Good luck with the GT6 this weekend Hope to see you on the track Bill Bartlett (from the Mitty) Lotus 7 on track GT6 still in the home shop :) PS: I am giving my wife the Trophy Bob Tullius auctioned last evening for her Birthday tomorrow - I am sure she is going to love it! Ha PPS: if you make the Group 44 presentation available on DVD or the net I would like to put my hand up for a copy. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 1 11:55:29 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:55:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Final update on gearbox woes and understanding spouses In-Reply-To: <8523AB0383C140359BFDC368B635A772@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <576F5977FA084E21A17EFD4A0FB39311@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Once again, thanks to all for your help. Got all the bits back and will install soon. Turns out that the driveshaft was slightly out of balance and one of the driveshaft flanges was bent slightly. Keeping our fingers crossed - next test is a regional/national on Mothers Day weekend. I thank god my wife races also and understands these things we've got to do. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering [mailto:norlinengineering at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:57 PM To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; Fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Gearbox woes Thanks to all that responded. The driveshaft is at the specialists being gone through and rebalanced. I'm having a Spitfire housing bored out to accept the larger GT6 bearing. I'm also working on the design and fabrication of an external support bracket that will hopefully reduce some of the load on the casting. I am a bit concerned that I may be approaching a natural frequency on the driveshaft. The driveshaft specialist measured the length and diameter and said by his "rule of thumb" table, it should be good for 8500 rpm. However an engineer buddy of mine ran some numbers out and he thinks there may be a problem starting at around 7450 rpm. Even though I shift at 6800, I do hit close to 7500 in 4th gear when we run Portland without the chicane. What kind of maximum rpm are you Spitfire drivers taking the stock driveshaft to in 4th gear? Also, has anyone made up a custom shaft to help resolve this problem? Thanks Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of norlinengineering at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:30 AM To: Fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gearbox woes Well, my "woohoo" was premature.B We broke a tailshaft housing on the GT6 gearbox in our Spitfire.B This happened last year as well.B In the past, I remember tracing this to the nut on the output shaft working loose, but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case here.B I will get the driveshaft rebalanced when I replace the housing.B Has anyone else had this problem and can you recommend a permanent fix?B Has anyone tried to strengthen these housings or add an intermediate mount or?? Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri May 1 20:08:22 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:08:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] A Kastner forum Message-ID: Hey Guys. I thought I'd spread an apparent secret to all of the Triumph faithful. DID you know that our guru Kas Kastner has a forum where he's endevouring to support the cause?? I have to suspect you don't cuz I NEVER see any of the FOT posting there. Has to be an oversight. So here's a link to bring the faithful to the source...http://kaskastnersforum.yuku.com/directory If the link doesn't work just do a Google for Kas Kastner Steve **************Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=http ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) From cofrog at q.com Sat May 2 09:42:45 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 15:42:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Wheels Message-ID: Does anyone have a set of four 15x6 rims that are appropriate to use as spares on a TR4 race car that they would like to sell? Thanks, Dan Forgey From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 2 12:48:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:48:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] A Kastner forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I drop in there from time to time. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve at aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2009 04:08 An: FOT at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] A Kastner forum Hey Guys. I thought I'd spread an apparent secret to all of the Triumph faithful. DID you know that our guru Kas Kastner has a forum where he's endevouring to support the cause?? I have to suspect you don't cuz I NEVER see any of the FOT posting there. Has to be an oversight. So here's a link to bring the faithful to the source...http://kaskastnersforum.yuku.com/directory If the link doesn't work just do a Google for Kas Kastner Steve **************Join ChristianMingle.com. FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221673648x1201419171/aol?redir=htt p ://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html%3Fcat%3Dadbuy%26 src%3Dplatforma%26adid%3Dfooter:050109%26newurl%3Dreg_path.html) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 2 17:31:11 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:31:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 5 12:18:21 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 12:18:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! Message-ID: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue May 5 11:14:39 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT denim shirts - 3 left from Watkins Glen Message-ID: <4A0073FF.3000103@bright.net> List, we have 3 unclaimed denim shirts left. These are XXL The proceeds from these last 3 are going to Mark Bradakis to help fund the team.net mailing list. These are a good quality, button down collar long sleeve denim shirt. If you know anyone who would be a candidate, please let me know. Shirt price is $35 ea plus postage. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From andre at gt6.ca Tue May 5 12:18:01 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> References: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Message-ID: <4362ae390905051118u749a238br1ed5fd7562baa576@mail.gmail.com> Nice... Very stable looking. A. 2009/5/2 : > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From KENMUN at aol.com Tue May 5 12:18:17 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:18:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires Message-ID: anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 wheels. thanks, ken m. **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) From Billb at bnj.com Tue May 5 12:44:45 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:44:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup, they're great. You need to dial a little camber in for them. They're sort of a half-way radial. 1.5 to 2 degrees works well. They also like a little more air than vintage TDs. On May 5, 2009, at 11:18 AM, KENMUN at aol.com wrote: > anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 > wheels. thanks, ken m. > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near > you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 5 14:17:29 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:17:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 5 14:23:28 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Message-ID: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 5 14:43:23 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:43:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: References: <4A0082ED.9030608@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <001e01c9cdc2$2584f5f0$708ee1d0$@com> COOL! The car got flames! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Munson Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:17 An: 'Mark J Bradakis'; 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Arrgh! I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 5 15:49:18 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:49:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdc2$2584f5f0$708ee1d0$@com> Message-ID: Yeah, and I just came in from painting the wheels the same color as the roll cage. I will post some pictures as soon as the paint dries. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:43 PM To: 'Mike Munson'; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: AW: [Fot] Arrgh! COOL! The car got flames! Chris Betreff: Re: [Fot] Arrgh! I thought something was up. Thanks for your efforts Mark. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Subject: [Fot] Arrgh! I really dislike Qwest technical "support" More later. mjb. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue May 5 14:54:34 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: Tim, You ask a very good question and I'd like to hear the responses. The websites list the 205 and 185 as the same diameter, with just the tread width difference. I have no problems at all with clearance but am I giving myself a little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? I run a TR4A IRS and the outsides of the tires have an easy life. I do get to flip them if I do it in time, but I am running on the inside half of the tire most of the time. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 5 15:39:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:39:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: <002301c9cdc9$f8f89110$eae9b330$@com> Hi, I use 205/60-15 on my 4. The fenders only have contact when I'm going through the Fuchsroehre at the Nurburging - a hard compression. But the tires have only light contact marks from this. I run -1.7 degree camber and thin 10mm spacers on the revolution wheels. On this photo you can see how the wheels are working at a corner: http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/gallery/52/full/14723.jpg Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Kramer, Robert Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:55 An: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Tim, You ask a very good question and I'd like to hear the responses. The websites list the 205 and 185 as the same diameter, with just the tread width difference. I have no problems at all with clearance but am I giving myself a little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? I run a TR4A IRS and the outsides of the tires have an easy life. I do get to flip them if I do it in time, but I am running on the inside half of the tire most of the time. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. Tim & Ryan Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for the Sport model. Very pleased. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Tue May 5 16:11:23 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tr 3 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A00B98B.5080803@pobox.com> Yes, we love them. KENMUN at aol.com wrote: > anybody running hoosier speedsters 205/60-15 on a tr 3? i'm using tr 6 > wheels. thanks, ken m. > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:19:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr Message-ID: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 5 16:21:34 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 2009, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Tim, [stuff deleted] > little more rolling resistance than I would with the 185's? Would that help me > on long straigths and not hurt me in the turns? The wider tire should allow you to get better turn-in and better corner speeds. That should translate to higher corner exit speeds and therefor higher speeds at the end of the straight. But then again, I'm not an engineer. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 16:22:05 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr In-Reply-To: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> References: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: <20090505222319.67F35187663@autox.team.net> Actually he is Jim Bauder of DCTRA (Desert Centre - Triumph Register of America). His newly restored TR250 is the default "theme" on our club's website. http://www.dctra.org :) At 03:19 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote: >thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH >EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend >Racer Bud >http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ >_______________________________________________ From john at race-dogs.com Tue May 5 16:29:20 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:29:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr References: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: <000301c9cdd0$ef1ce630$800101df@jawsxp> Nice Pics! What a weekend of great racing! We'll get them next year in the Challenge!! JW John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr > thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH > EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend > Racer Bud > http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > This message was scanned WACS, Inc. Spam Filters is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://mx.race-dogs.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=587CB27DF4.4381E From don at dcphotos.com Tue May 5 16:29:34 2009 From: don at dcphotos.com (Don Couch) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Message-ID: <848F759F-8D14-4CAB-B465-78D0F4B31CC5@dcphotos.com> Somebody posted one of my runs in my street Spitfire from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the fastest of the day in class. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx7ww7KcFxw From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 5 16:55:57 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 Message-ID: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> When the Speedsters first came out, I purchased a set of 185's for my TR4 #116. I noticed a decent improvement over the vintage TD's. I was concerned about hitting the fenders with 205's, but at Tony Garmey's suggestion, we went with a set of 205's and there have been no problems with clearance-front or back. Lap times did go down, but I cannot recall the magnitude of the drop. I did keep the 185's and borrowed Tony's grooving iron and converted the 185's to rain tires for the Pacific NW's climate. Have not had a chance to use them yet. My latest set of Speedster 205's are pretty well worn out (the speedsters do seem to wear quickly), so I ordered a set of Yokahama Advan 048's from Tire Rack. They did have 205/60 R 15's in stock. Will report after the SOVREN Spring Sprints, mid May,B on how the Yok's perform. John James #116 From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue May 5 17:07:14 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? Message-ID: The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly flat. If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also reground through the same source, do not rock when put to the same test. Can't us these because they were run with a different cam. Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue May 5 18:20:47 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr In-Reply-To: <80A0ED3117234795832261E2A31A3B84@Bud> Message-ID: Great pictures thanks for posting them. Any idea who owns the Huffaker TR8 in the pictures, and should they be part of this list? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: May 5, 2009 6:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow Raceway, CA - 2009 - a set on Flickr thanks to JIM BAUDER of TRIUMPH TRAVELERS for these photos of The BRITISH EXTRAVAGANZA at Buttonwillow this past weekend Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/sets/72157617578136451/detail/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 5 18:58:28 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:58:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> Message-ID: <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less troublesome to fit. If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that they have more grip... :) Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. - Tony At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with >spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on >some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look like >they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have >more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct >rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. > > > >Tim & Ryan Murphy > >1961 TR4 #317 > > > >P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he mounted >the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and >the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for >the Sport model. Very pleased. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 20:03:04 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:03:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? Message-ID: <20090506020357.916F0187645@autox.team.net> Mobile 1 has a new challenge to find out http://www.willyoubethe1.com/ From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 5 20:15:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:15:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? References: <20090506020357.916F0187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <21EA296C275D4ADB984BA9746907325D@Bud> Thanks David!..It is Fantastic...Young....Shootin' For the Stars Wonderful Stuff Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Are you faster then Lewis? > Mobile 1 has a new challenge to find out > > http://www.willyoubethe1.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue May 5 20:43:03 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Classified Ads on the site Message-ID: <20090506024408.A0315187644@autox.team.net> The following classifieds have been added to the DCTRA site... >TR-250 CC343LO Project Car 98% complete plus spares solid Az/CA car >Calif title Yellow (now primer)and Tan---72 spoke wires thousands of >dollars in new parts, rebuilt 0 hour engine, driveline, and >transmission (overdrive included not installed ) with a truck load >of spares, realistic offer would like to sell it in club-- Randy 602-377-8559 > >TR-5 Lucas Mechanical fuel injection complete with pump injectors >and hardware. 750.00 Randy 602-377-8559 > >TR3- Transmission condition unknown free to enthusiast 602-377-8559 > >68 GT6 engine complete all asscessories original from wreck >$100.00 Randy 602-377-8559 From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 6 00:12:39 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status Message-ID: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 6 01:05:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 In-Reply-To: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <158139434.4822651241564157715.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You will love the Yokos! Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von jcjcarrera at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 00:56 An: fot at autoX.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Speedsters 185 vs.205 When the Speedsters first came out, I purchased a set of 185's for my TR4 #116. I noticed a decent improvement over the vintage TD's. I was concerned about hitting the fenders with 205's, but at Tony Garmey's suggestion, we went with a set of 205's and there have been no problems with clearance-front or back. Lap times did go down, but I cannot recall the magnitude of the drop. I did keep the 185's and borrowed Tony's grooving iron and converted the 185's to rain tires for the Pacific NW's climate. Have not had a chance to use them yet. My latest set of Speedster 205's are pretty well worn out (the speedsters do seem to wear quickly), so I ordered a set of Yokahama Advan 048's from Tire Rack. They did have 205/60 R 15's in stock. Will report after the SOVREN Spring Sprints, mid May,B on how the Yok's perform. John James #116 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 6 04:12:30 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 03:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status In-Reply-To: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> References: <20090506061239.397C12E08E@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <143443.18439.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think they spell Unix: Eunuchs ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 2:12:39 AM Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such. And it ain't over yet. It should all be fine by next week, though. The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with several other domains and network related services is Qwest. Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access. They have been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one of my servers. It has happened before. The first time I actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of several days and found out the nature of the "malicious activity." Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe' link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming Team.Net emails as spam. Once I finally managed to penetrate deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed. It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining piece of human debris from the appropriate list. This time I've had enough. It is so frustrating to have to go through their entire little debugging script *every time* I talk to a new person about it: Them: What operating system are you running? Me: Unix, FreeBSD 6.2 Them: No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98? Me: Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2. I am NOT running Windows, just like I told all the other ... You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic appliance would not understand the details of that conversation, they have no need to. But tech support people working for a major company like Qwest? How do people that incompetent get through the first job interview? Do they have anyone on their staff who can even *spell* Unix?? At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my network access soon. As I said, I've had enough. On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission, located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service. The changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable for a few days. IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take a day or two or so to percolate through the network. So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should all settle down by early next week. Thank you for your patience. mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Wed May 6 07:51:31 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 6:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: <20090506095131.BIB38.2199542.root@mp16> > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 6:32:08 -0700 > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Group 44 and the Mitty > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys and great parts. > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more Group 44! > > All the best guys AND gals! > > Bobby Whitehead > CVAR GP2 / 53 Yellow / GT6+ From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 6 08:15:06 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: List Bobby Whitehead is right. This was an exceptional once in a lifetime experience. There was enormous support from the British Car Community and a lot of entertainment. My son, Mark, flew in from Minneapolis and we hung out with all of the best Triumph people. I also got a goodnight kiss from Susan, but under the watchful eye of Brad. Special thanks to Tim Suddard & Crew for all of the planning and execution. Additionally, en route, Mike Munson gave Steve Benford and I, a personal tour of the Corvette Assembly facilities and tickets to the newly redone Corvette Museum. We stayed through to the last race on Sunday... Now playing catchup and preparing for another trip starting May 15th.....F-1 at Monaco....another once in a lifetime experience made possible by the best of the Triumph community, from offshore. We also missed a few people we expected to see at The Mitty. Next time. Regards, Joe A > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung > out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and > Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys > and great parts. > > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake > for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands > of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. > Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and > I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a > TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda > been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from > Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the > Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius > at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members > at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. > Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last > place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, > I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from > Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been > 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. > Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more > Group 44! > > > > All the best guys AND gals! > > > > Bobby Whitehead From GRMTim at aol.com Wed May 6 09:28:19 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:28:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the fun begins all over again on April 3oth next year. We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our highest priority. We have it fixed now. I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will most likely drag it to Portland as well. In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep me busy for a few months. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221827510x1201399090/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) From billbab at gmail.com Wed May 6 10:04:10 2009 From: billbab at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:04:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <441280C1-A4C9-445D-AB9F-A0945564F0DD@bnj.com> Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much work that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last time we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the All Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to break it to her. Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderful time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a great event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren't racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there's the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won't be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey this year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the fun > begins > all over again on April 3oth next year. > > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our > highest priority. We have it fixed now. > > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will most > likely drag > it to Portland as well. > > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep me > busy > for a few months. > > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From smockracer at charter.net Wed May 6 10:20:33 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Frank Daley has a new address DALEY1029 at roadrunner.com and would like tobe back on the FOT list. Thanks Paul Smock #190 From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 6 14:03:52 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> More tire, more grip, better acceleration, better cornering and even more important, BETTER BRAKING. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Tim Murphy" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters >I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance >isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and >while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel >offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that >the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less >troublesome to fit. > > If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that > they have more grip... :) > > Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. > > - Tony > > At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >>What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >>The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels with >>spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed on >>some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look >>like >>they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >>noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may have >>more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the correct >>rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. >> >> >> >>Tim & Ryan Murphy >> >>1961 TR4 #317 >> >> >> >>P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >>South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he >>mounted >>the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts and >>the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card for >>the Sport model. Very pleased. >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Wed May 6 14:35:49 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:35:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters In-Reply-To: <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> References: <001e01c9cdbf$5a45eef0$0ed1ccd0$@com> <20090506005851.A70CC187658@autox.team.net> <72A0ACA08BC44B6FB73DA001DFB79C73@KasPC> Message-ID: <4362ae390905061335w52cb9bdfw4f921f21a1890231@mail.gmail.com> Don't you mean more BREAKING :) hehe. A. 2009/5/6 Kas Kastner : > More tire, more grip, better acceleration, better cornering and even more > important, BETTER BRAKING. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Tim Murphy" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters > > >> I run 205's on 6" wheels, and Jack ran that size too. On my car clearance >> isn't a problem as I have mild flares. Jack ran with stock fenders and >> while it was a net fit, there wasn't a problem with fender rub. The wheel >> offset is going to be critical for that, I would think. I'm not sure that >> the 205 gives more grip than the 185, and the 185 sure would be less >> troublesome to fit. >> >> If you pass me in the carousel at Road America on 185's I'll concede that >> they have more grip... :) >> >> Glad to hear you got a HANS, too. >> >> - Tony >> >> At 03:23 PM 5/5/2009, Tim Murphy wrote: >>> >>> What size Speedsters are those of you with TR4's and 6 inch rims running? >>> The 185/60R15's or the 205/60R15's? We have Revolution 6 inch wheels >>> with >>> spacers and the car is lowered about 2 inches I'd guess. We've noticed >>> on >>> some other TR4's with the wider Speedsters (205/60R15's) that they look >>> like >>> they hit the outer fender lip on a hard bump when cornering. Also have >>> noted on the Hoosier website that the narrower tire (185/60R15's) may >>> have >>> more grip on a 6 inch rim than the 205's, as the 6 inch rim is the >>> correct >>> rim for the 185's. Appreciate any input. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim & Ryan Murphy >>> >>> 1961 TR4 #317 >>> >>> >>> >>> P.S. We got a HANS device from a vendor who came around at Gingerman in >>> South Haven, MI last weekend. Got fitted properly in the car and he >>> mounted >>> the posts right at the track. Got the latest "quick disconnect" posts >>> and >>> the sliding tethers at a good price, $695 plus 3% to use a credit card >>> for >>> the Sport model. Very pleased. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 6 15:09:18 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A01FC7E.4080702@pobox.com> Oh, you may start something here. We've argued about this in the past (see for example thread - www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00206.html). What is dead flat? Most lifters have a very slight crown. Usually, 50 to 100 inch radius of curvature, which is about 0.001 to 0.002 in across the lifter. The reason for this is to insure that the lifter does not contact the side edge of the cam. e.g. due to misalignment or cock of the lifter in the bore. Some people might call this dead flat. Most camshaft lobes are also tapered. The reason for this is to promote rotation of the lifter. The lobe taper must be matched to the offset of the lifter bores relative to the cam lobes. Here is a picture of the usual arrangement - http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/LifterGeom.gif If your lobes are not tapered, you should be able to run flat lifters as long as your alignment is dead nuts (love that machinist lingo). I would run lifters with a slight crown. And now we should be hearing from Bill Babcock and Chris Marx. Larry Young Scott Janzen wrote: > The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, > tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly > flat. If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost > imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. > The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also > reground through the same source, do not rock when put to the same > test. Can't us these because they were run with a different cam. > Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently > reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be > dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 17:05:59 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:05:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: <20090506095131.BIB38.2199542.root@mp16> Message-ID: Bobby, Sorry I didn't get to meet you and Gary. I was right there hanging with the 6pack guys but I didn't let them influence me. (I was the one standing around with a bottle of water in his hand laughing at their antics). The Tribute and Toast we had to Uncle Jack was touching and fun. The single Malt was a little strong to me so I choked on it. Shaun Tarleton is the sticker guy in Atlanta. Do you need his contact info? I can make a call and get his number. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > > Hey Guys! Made it home from the Mitty last night. Gary Fuqua and I hung out with ALL the right people! I was fortunate to meet Joe Alexander and Ted Schumacker. I bought parts for Barbara's TR6 from both guys. Swell guys and great parts. > It was an honor to be with Grassroots Motorsports as the cut the cake for the 25th birthday celebration. Nice to finally meet and shake the hands of several other FoT'er's... the SIXPACK guys need help and rehabilitation.. Toad (or TOD) brought back some memories with his TR2000 Saloon, Barb and I had one with the wonderful BOGWARNER automatic transmission... right??? > I cannot place my lousy hands on business cards from a Tall Guy with a TR6 who makes the racing stripes for our hoods like Group 44 style... coulda been the beer, but if ya'll know him, let me know... > > The greatest thrill for me was meeting Bob Tullius and his crew from Group 44... Seeing the XKE V12 and hearing Lanky fire that thing up in the Group 44 tent was nirvana!!! Seeing the Group 44 make laps with Bob Tullius at the wheel of the Jagyewarr was historical. > Tim Suddard had the worst luck with the GT6 as one of his staff members at the wheel apparently fowled the plugs waiting to run with the Group 44. Seeing that little GT6 plug around the track on two cylinders (in last place) was very dear to my experiences, sorry Tim but the GT6 looked fabulous, I know you guys went through heck just getting it there! > I came back with a ton of photos and several autographed items from Group 44. Not knowing their history in detail before and having now been 'school'd I can say what an honor it was to have a few photo op's with Mr. Tullius in front of Tim's GT6. > Happy to be home... may take the summer to dress my GT6 a little more Group 44! > > All the best guys AND gals! > > Bobby Whitehead > CVAR GP2 / 53 Yellow / GT6+ From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 17:24:40 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:24:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Team.Net status In-Reply-To: <143443.18439.qm@web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They should be Eunuchs so they don't contribute to the gene pool. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:13 AM To: Mark J Bradakis; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Team.Net status I think they spell Unix: Eunuchs From dtalbott at archrepro.com Wed May 6 17:06:00 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? References: <4A01FC7E.4080702@pobox.com> Message-ID: <2F9714AE4FED4470932AE8EEBDBC89AE@LatitudeD530> I think of it as Dead Nuts On or "DNO, Daddy-O" as some have been known to mutter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Scott Janzen" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Are cam followers truly "flat" for TR6/GT6? > Oh, you may start something here. We've argued about this in the past (see > for example thread - > www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2008-03/msg00206.html). > > What is dead flat? Most lifters have a very slight crown. Usually, 50 to > 100 inch radius of curvature, which is about 0.001 to 0.002 in across the > lifter. The reason for this is to insure that the lifter does not contact > the side edge of the cam. e.g. due to misalignment or cock of the lifter > in the bore. Some people might call this dead flat. > > Most camshaft lobes are also tapered. The reason for this is to promote > rotation of the lifter. The lobe taper must be matched to the offset of > the lifter bores relative to the cam lobes. > > Here is a picture of the usual arrangement - > http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/LifterGeom.gif > > If your lobes are not tapered, you should be able to run flat lifters as > long as your alignment is dead nuts (love that machinist lingo). I would > run lifters with a slight crown. > > And now we should be hearing from Bill Babcock and Chris Marx. > > Larry Young > > > Scott Janzen wrote: >> The lifters I am about to put into a GT6 engine to go with a new cam, >> tested, ground and polished by a well known source, are not truly flat. >> If I put any two face to face, I can rock them slightly, almost >> imperceptibly, so they seem to be ground with a radius. >> The set I have from another engine, used one short season, also reground >> through the same source, do not rock when put to the same test. Can't >> us these because they were run with a different cam. >> Do I need to find another set of lifters to replace the recently >> reground ones with the radius? The cam source tells me they should be >> dead flat, and that the lobes on the cam have no taper. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 6 17:10:20 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gingerman school and race last weekend Message-ID: <000c01c9ce9f$d46572b0$7d305810$@com> This was a VSCDA event. I did the school on Friday and the race weekend Saturday & Sunday with our TR4. Ryan crewed for me. We ran 12 sessions total, 6 on Friday, 4 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday including the 15 lap feature race. The car ran flawlessly. The only thing Ryan had to do, in addition to checking things over between sessions, was add about a = quart of oil and gas. We were the only Triumph there. I had a good school and by the 6th session, a short race for the students, I finally got the hang of it. I had some good racing with the AH Sprites. There were 2 Sprites in the school and 5 in our group for Saturday and Sunday. When my tires had good grip I could keep with the Sprites in the twisty part and get them on the straights. Had some really good racing with a 1972 BMW 2002 on Sunday. We passed and re-passed each other about 3 times. I think we upheld the honor of the Triumph Marque. I had a lot of trouble with turn 3; had 4 off there 3 times in the weekend. One time I got into the sand trap and stopped about 10 feet from the tire wall. Had to be towed out. Very grateful for the sand! And, its a lot easier to clean out of the car than the kitty litter. Cold and some rain on Friday for the school. We had rain and a wet track for our practice starts. Just about everybody either went off or spun. I kept it on the track with a couple of slides that I was able to catch and one small tank slapper that I caught. Good experience. Saturday and Sunday were great weather, sunny, cool and some breeze. All in all, a fantastic weekend. In Saturdays timed practice I was within a second of Ryans best time from last year so I figured I was in the ball park. In the race Sunday, my best time and Ryans best time at Gingerman were within 1/10th of each other, 1:51.5 or so. Were thinking thats about what the car can do with the shaved street tires (Yokohama AVS ES100 in 195/60R15) weve been running to get some seat time and do the schools. Were ready for some race tires now, hence the question about the Speedsters in an earlier post. Tim Murphy From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 19:52:48 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:52:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Shauns email and tel# Message-ID: Shawns contact info. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 _____ From: Ashford Little [mailto:70tr6 at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:35 PM To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: Shauns email and tel# Shawn Tarleton shawn74tr6 at hotmail.com 404-457-9022 You ma brothah by another motha Ashford Little 70tr6 at comcast.net On May 6, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Mike Munson wrote: Can ya help a brotha out? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/06/09 17:58:00 From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 6 19:57:17 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:57:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty In-Reply-To: <20090506204552.XGI30.2239735.root@mp13> Message-ID: Yeah ... 6 cylinders on top fuel alcohol! Yeah ... the 6pack guys were hittin' on all 6 cylinders... Bobby ----> Shaun Tarleton is the sticker guy in Atlanta. Do you need his contact info? > I can make a call and get his number. > Mike > http://www.triumphowners.com/135 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed May 6 20:58:14 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:58:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: <20090502233111.8ZSA5.323782.root@hrndva-web24-z01> Message-ID: <001101c9cebf$ae4b0fc0$6401a8c0@blake1> I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed May 6 21:28:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross References: <001101c9cebf$ae4b0fc0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu May 7 10:12:28 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Photo Message-ID: A good while ago, some FoTer posted a link to a photograph of a purple (I'm color-blind, so it might be blue) squaretail Spitfire #44 in the paddock at Summit Point. It was taken in the 70s. Two men are posing with it and I think one is Ferstenau (sp?). I don't remember where the photo was posted. Can anyone tell me: Where is this photo posted? Is this the same #44 purple Squaretail Spitfire that was at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point this past weekend? Any more info about this car. Curious, John H. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 7 10:51:34 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:51:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes Message-ID: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu May 7 11:59:21 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:59:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes Message-ID: I am running the TSI Kevlar shoes. They are glued & braded. Very pleased with them. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 7 14:26:30 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:26:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes In-Reply-To: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> References: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> Message-ID: I suppose I'm not a help, I run Lucas brake shoes. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tim Murphy Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2009 18:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Betreff: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. Tim & Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Thu May 7 14:47:15 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:47:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty Message-ID: Thanks, we will see what happens for a west coast swing. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 5/6/09 12:04:33 PM, billbab at gmail.com writes: > Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much workB > that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last timeB > we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the AllB > Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to breakB > it to her. > > Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderfulB > time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a greatB > event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren'tB > racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there'sB > the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won'tB > be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. > > I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey thisB > year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. > > > On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the funB > > begins > > all over again on April 3oth next year. > > > > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our > > highest priority. We have it fixed now. > > > > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will mostB > > likely drag > > it to Portland as well. > > > > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep meB > > busy > > for a few months. > > > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > ************** Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu May 7 14:47:24 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes References: <000001c9cf34$154a4e10$3fdeea30$@com> Message-ID: <030f01c9cf55$06fd1970$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I have Teds kevlar rear lining on the TR6; they seem fine. I also went with 7/8 diameter rear cylinders for more rear braking. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 rear brake shoes > What are you running for rear brake shoes on the TR4? We need to replace > the linings or shoes on our TR4. Stock shoes from Moss or BPNW? Kevlar or > Full Metallic from TSImports? Others? Thanks. > > > > Tim & Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 7 15:13:35 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:13:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty References: Message-ID: <98C8F77AFA504FDFB110279791048AE5@Bud> Infineon would be a great venue..and would give people a chance to Enjoy our Sonoma/Napa wine country, as well as San Francisco. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 and the Mitty > Thanks, we will see what happens for a west coast swing. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > In a message dated 5/6/09 12:04:33 PM, billbab at gmail.com writes: > > >> Congratulations Tim, sounds like a great event. I know how much workB >> that is. I'm going to try to make it next year. I think the last timeB >> we towed to Atlanta was 2005. I'm loosely planning to reprise the AllB >> Aluminum Tour for 2010, but don't tell Diane. I need a year to breakB >> it to her. >> >> Hope to see your car in Portland. The end of summer is a wonderfulB >> time to be in the Pacific Northwest, and the CRC is such a greatB >> event. An absurd amount of track time, and a lot to do when you aren'tB >> racing. We're working on a good autocross event as well, and there'sB >> the All British Field Meet too, and Peyote's birthday party. It won'tB >> be as elaborate as the show you put on at the Mitty, but great fun. >> >> I think Peyote has a pretty good chance of getting into Monterey thisB >> year. Used to be pretty much automatic, but I kind of screwed that up. >> >> >> On May 6, 2009, at 8:28 AM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: >> >> > Thanks for all who participated. What a great weekend and the funB >> > begins >> > all over again on April 3oth next year. >> > >> > We had so much organizational stuff to deal with the GT6 was not our >> > highest priority. We have it fixed now. >> > >> > I have entered the GT6 for Monterey, and if accepted will mostB >> > likely drag >> > it to Portland as well. >> > >> > In the meantime, have started a TR6 for my dad, which should keep meB >> > busy >> > for a few months. >> > >> > >> > Tim Suddard >> > Publisher; Classic Motorsports >> > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines >> > www.classicmotorsports.net >> > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com >> > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ************** > Big savings on Dellbs most popular laptops. Now starting at > $449! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222382499x1201454962/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663472%3B36502367%3Bg) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 7 20:37:52 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c9cf85$fd1b13e0$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks Bolb! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:29 PM To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 7 20:37:59 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c9cf86$005186c0$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks Bolb! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:29 PM To: Greg & Alison Blake; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross Greg took my car out on the autocross for a couple of runs after I switched back to taller street tires so my son could take the car to run a rallye. He proceeded to make the most of what he had, and on his second run he pivoted around the turnaround cone better than I thought it could be done. I watched in amazement as he got witin a couple of seconds of my sticky tires times the first time he ever drove the car. What fun. Bolb Kramer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross >I wish that someone would have posted the runs I did in that same car > with the street tires. Lots of steering input=lots of fun. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:31 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] VTR SC Regional Autocross > > Somebody posted one of my runs in my street TR6 from the VTR South > Central Regional autocross last weekend. It was the 2nd fastest of the > day. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROO0IlCKe4&feature=quicklist > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Thu May 7 20:18:09 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kramers... you mean Kramer spawned? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090507221809.WDGZW.2299442.root@mp07> Bob ... the pleasure of you watching you son, even though it was only one day at TWS was delightlful! Watching you flutter around over YOUR car as you prepared your son to go the driving school in it ...... priceless! Only should reason that you should have a son that could naturally drive as good as his old man.... See ya'll at Eagles Canyon ???? Bobby Glenn Whitehead Jr GP2 CVAR #53 Yellow GT6+ From igofaster at charter.net Thu May 7 20:58:36 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Impressions of Group 44 and Bob Tullius In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090507225836.H7FJR.2301892.root@mp07> I felt compelled to write about my impressions of the Mitty this year in Atlanta. My friend Gary Fuqua suggested we go last year at one of the CVAR events. We shortly considered bringing our race cars, but the Mitty is a big event and we felt for first timers we should not be drivers, only spectators. That's not to say Fuqua didn't drive his 1979 MGB 1600 miles from Bransom to Atlanta and back. Only a minor stop at the airport so he could pick me up, pop the hood, re-attach the leads on the thermostat and Nascar Tape my suitcase to the luggage rack and drive 58 miles in Atlanta traffic to our Holiday Inn... sweeet... Thursday night, all the Group 44 cars were lined up by the event arena for the Grassroots 25th evening. We were to witness the story telling of Bob Tillius and his history from him and his dignitaries. Group 44, 40th Anniversary weekend. I was impassioned by Bob and his overall complacency he had with the cars. He raced them all and raced them well. To me, it seemed they were merely tools he used to get where he really wanted to be, flying. We as fellow enthusiasts adore and love our cars for the heritage these cars represent. We're emotionally involved with our cars because of the legacy of a driver and owner like Bob Tullius who was less in love with the cars, but more determined to use them as tools to get where he really wanted to be... flying. It is because of his determination and hard nosed work ethic, that he made these cars do what he wanted them to do. On several cases, particularly with the Group 44 GT6 which I was around for several hours, he commented , these weren't really good cars to race. They had their weaknesses, especially with on the tail of the XKE V12, the XKS, and the GTP car... THEY were vastly improved cars over the Triumphs. But, he made the Triumphs work for him, and that is what is truly special for us as enthusiasts. Bob Tullius created our passion for Triumphs way before most of us knew what Triumphs really were. Isn't that what is great though? If it weren't the likes of Tullius, and others obviously, making these cars do what they really weren't designed to do, and being successful at it... isn't that where some of our true love has come from for the Triumphs? Even though we may not have known it all along, it's a great story, and it only intensifies my love for the cars. Triumph .... seems kind of prophetical doesn't it? Bobby Whitehead CVAR Triumph GT6+ From igofaster at charter.net Fri May 8 11:08:13 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner and Triumph In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090508130813.YHU9S.2357224.root@mp16> My little late night essay was not in the spirit of taking any credit away from anybody. We as FoT guys and gals know the direct input Kas had with Triumph, as mentioned in my diatribe. I'm sure Kas however had a much kinder approach than Bob Tullius... Nobody ever said his was an ass to work for but the underlying tone was all of his crew had to tolerate him, as he was... ahem... determined to win. I, as a novice, didn't really know the history of Bob Tullius before we went to Atlanta last week. Kas, however, I've known of for 20 years, and his involvement with FoT is stellar. I believe Kas loves the cars if I were guessing... Tullius...not so much. We're going racing next weekend... Bob Kramer says we've got 5 Triumphs at Eagles Canyon.. I'm gonna have Barbra drive up her TR6 if Becca doesn't birth my first grandchild that weekend... that'll be SIX Triumphs in the paddock at Eagles Canyon. Be good to yourself, Bobby Whitehead From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri May 8 12:52:48 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:52:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 tire & rim size for Speedsters Message-ID: From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 15:15:55 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VICTORY at the Jefferson 500! In-Reply-To: <989896773.7941191241817203357.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1421181467.7942341241817355890.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Fellow FoTrs, Triumph at Summit Point!B With excellent technical support and sage advice from fellow FOTrs Dr. John Herrera, Craig Wensley and Russ Moore, our 1963 Triumph Spitfire #393 won the LOLA CUP in the VRG Jefferson 500, sponsored byB Brian Redman, this past weekend at Summit Point, placing 1st overall inB Sunday's rain-soakedB feature!B B After a full day test session on the previous Thursday chasing chassis alignment, we went out for the first session of qualifying Friday, mounted the rains in anticipation ofB wet conditionsB only to find a quickly-drying track (where's the rain when you want it?)B so were quite happy in qualifying 3rd out of 37 on now-chunked-up rains.B Friday's second qualifying session saw us sitting on the grid at the 5 minute signal on dry tires when itB proceeded to pour bucketsB (where's the sun when you want it?).B The Friday morning session times held accordingly and I started the Saturday (dry) race 3rd, where I battled with traffic for 15 laps to finish a close 3rd behind a very quick Lotus 11 driven by Baxter Phillips, first,B andB the two-time SCCA National Championship-winning 948 Bugeye Sprite, driven by the Champion himself, Ray Stone, second.B No questions arose about what tires to choose Sunday - it literally poured all day.B Now starting second due to the Lotus' withdrawl due to the monsoon conditions, the Sprite and I had a blast!B B Ray held me off into turn 1 at the start and pulled out about 100 yardsB while I acclimated to the rivers on the track, visibility through the spray, the tiresB (finally wet tires on a wet track, what a concept!) and fog on my visor (biggest challenge of all) - and had an absolute ball!B It took several laps to to feel confident enough to press for the lead rather than settle for second - soB on lap 8 of 10, I dove to the inside of turn 1 at the end of Summit's long front straight - Ray moved to the right ensuring I would have to sail through a lake to take the corner, which I was able to do - and we exited door-handle to door-handle and continued that way through turn 2 into Wagonbend - the very fast left-handerB and I had the speed and line to take that corner, with the correct approach line far right, and then was able then to pull out a 4 second gap to the checker, recording the fastest race lap by 4.5 seconds!!!!B B The Hoosier rains were utterly fantastic in the drenching conditions allowing veryB close racing with an experienced, professional competitor, which made the day completely satisfying.B First overall win for the team, the car ran superbly, thanks to John, Craig and Russ, and best of all it was the very first crew experience for my 20 year-old daughter Leah, who now knows exactly the color of the bug which has been biting Dad all these years!B We also have the in-car ChaseCam video to re-live, and it is superb!B I give the weekend a ten out of ten!!!B Bring on the rain!!!! Steve Groh #393 '63 SpitfireB B From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 15:42:14 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Message-ID: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B Anyone know why this would happen???? Steve Groh From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 8 15:49:00 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Message-ID: In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: > Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B > > Anyone know why this would happen???? > > LUCAS Key Board. Bill (Damdinger) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=May5509AvgfooterNO115) From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 8 15:49:57 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You aren't by any chance using a MAC, are you? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sgroh1 at comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:42 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B Anyone know why this would happen???? Steve Groh Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 16:04:34 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net > writes: > > >> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >> 500.B >> Anyone know why this would happen???? >> > > > LUCAS Key Board. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May5509AvgfooterNO115 > ) From spitlist at cox.net Fri May 8 16:52:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:52:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> References: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> I-Phone is made by Apple and that might explain it. I don't have any familiarity with the product but I'd guess that they use the same sort of UNIX type of text system as their computers do, so it is definitely a possibility. If you can send the messages in plain text (as opposed to HTML or other format) that may resolve the issue. I have seen this anomaly in several messages that have come across the team.net server in the past few months. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Groh Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net > writes: > > >> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >> 500.B >> Anyone know why this would happen???? >> > > > LUCAS Key Board. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May550 9AvgfooterNO115 > ) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 8 17:02:58 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blue Spitfire Message-ID: <0EFEAA1D0585426292DBF5E7C7EF3867@hp532n> Somebody was looking for this link and I just ran across it...... http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/triumph/1187755735/1187755735pp.htm From Billb at bnj.com Fri May 8 18:49:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:49:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? In-Reply-To: <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> References: <4DE3EEF7-AA44-4353-89EE-C7D5329C1F31@comcast.net> <2070FD3A40694446AFAC54DCDD5F9004@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I've seen this in a few of my messages recently--ones not sent from my iPhone but from my mac. No idea what it is. On May 8, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > I-Phone is made by Apple and that might explain it. I don't have any > familiarity with the product but I'd guess that they use the same > sort of > UNIX type of text system as their computers do, so it is definitely a > possibility. If you can send the messages in plain text (as opposed > to HTML > or other format) that may resolve the issue. > > I have seen this anomaly in several messages that have come across the > team.net server in the past few months. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Steven Groh > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:05 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > > That would explain it! Thought it might be Word 2007..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2009, at 5:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 05/08/2009 4:45:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > sgroh1 at comcast.net >> writes: >> >> >>> Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson >>> 500.B >>> Anyone know why this would happen???? >>> >> >> >> LUCAS Key Board. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> >> >> >> ************** >> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >> > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd=May550 > 9AvgfooterNO115 >> ) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 8 20:43:33 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? References: <420057771.7951681241818934321.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: No, MS Word 2007 - the iPhone is fine..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; "'fot'" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > You aren't by any chance using a MAC, are you? > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sgroh1 at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:42 PM > To: fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jeffeerson 500 What's with the text? > > Sorry listers about all the BBBBBssss in my message re:B Jefferson 500.B > Anyone know why this would happen???? > > > > Steve Groh > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 10:18:50 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 9:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My photos of Group 44 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509121850.T4SKM.2404534.root@mp20> I've posted my Group 44 photos on photo bucket.... http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv286/1970TriumphGT6/ let me know your favorite! yes , that's me and Bob Tullius by the Triumph GT6 Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 18:23:32 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 17:23:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] lanocharacing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509202332.WH0AO.2389775.root@mp12> This guys TR8 was in the hotel parking lot at the Mitty.... hold on fella's !!! http://www.lanocharacing.com/ Bobby Whitehead From dave at microworks.net Sat May 9 19:50:18 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Had to share... Message-ID: <20090510015114.01D5018789B@autox.team.net> http://www.davesdroppings.com/?p=442 Should make me fast in the racecar not having to carry around that extra 40 lbs. From igofaster at charter.net Sat May 9 20:42:40 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead From GRMTim at aol.com Sun May 10 07:25:01 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:25:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Message-ID: Well, I am here. I think Dennis Day is here. Carey is here. Russell Tullius is here and his dad still has a GTP car. I don't think Bill Warner or Henry Wilkinson are here. They account for three of the cars. JK Jackson has a TR6. I think he lurks. Tom Jackson has the Midget. Andrew Moore and Bob Boller have Jags. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 5/9/09 10:43:14 PM, igofaster at charter.net writes: > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=May51009AvgfooterNO62) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun May 10 08:06:49 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> Message-ID: How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? Paul http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun May 10 08:09:14 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guess I didn't read far enough "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a Trimuph TR4A." Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? Paul http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT OK... my silly question.... How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? How do we get the rest of them on here? Bobby Whitehead Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun May 10 11:56:34 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:56:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob's first championship was ith the TR4, then in EP, in 1962. Second was EP in '63. Then DP championship in '64. Mike Cook > From: macdonaldp at rogers.com > To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 > CC: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > Guess I didn't read far enough > > "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. > He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production > class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a > Trimuph TR4A." > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM > To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? > > Paul > > http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun May 10 17:04:25 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] For sale: uncle jack's 1971 street TR-6 Message-ID: <20090510230444.1AAB7187642@autox.team.net> As part of handling my late father's estate, we are selling his lovingly cared for 1971 Triumph TR-6. Information here: http://www.tonydrews.com/UncleJackTR6/Uncle_Jack_TR6.htm Thanks, Tony Drews From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun May 10 18:09:38 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> References: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> Message-ID: <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> Bobby, I've owned 2 plus one of the Lee Mueller "west coast" cars. Ted Bobby Whitehead wrote: > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.320 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date: 05/10/09 07:02:00 From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 10 18:23:10 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:23:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Message-ID: I can attest to Teds Spitfire...I was at his first drivers school then ,with my Mini....Rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon May 11 00:58:50 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 02:58:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] Titanium Valve Spring Caps for TR6 Message-ID: Does anyone have any recommendations for a supplier of Titanium Valve Spring Caps for the TR6? Thank You all. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon May 11 15:54:53 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:54:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mark Joslyn Message-ID: I just received word that Mark Joslyn passed away on Saturday after a long Illness. Mark was something of a fixture in the the Triumph community. He was one of the original organizers of the Champaign British Car Festival in Champaigne Illinois. His passion for the marque (particularly Triumph Vitesses) and for life will be missed. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 12 08:32:55 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dolomite Sprint Distributor cap wanted Message-ID: Any one out there have one of these they would like to part with? I need the one for the Sprint which is different than the TR7 model in that the leads screw into the side rather than plug into the top. The TR7 style fits but I'm having difficulty making the leads clear the intake manifold. ......................Cheers Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 12 11:54:18 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> References: <20090509224240.L7QLE.2394512.root@mp12> <4A076CC2.8000609@bright.net> Message-ID: <70DB7930-5440-4C4C-8478-173CB6BCFAD1@earthlink.net> I've got the TR3 with group 44 history, When the TR4's became competitive, Furstenau sold the Group 44 TR3. Not sure who bought it but My dad, Mike Belfer bought it from that guy. It was raced in the midwest for many seasons until it was flipped at Blackhawk farms with my uncle behind the wheel. A big lumpy tree root near turn 4 was in the grass just off the pavement and and a small "off" put this root in the path of the front wheel. The car was wrecked and my uncle suffered a broken arm. The group 44 tr3 was then taken apart, and a new frame was purchased from Triumph, I guess they had a frame in the warehouse in NY that was sold just as any other part number. (It was the last one.) My current racecar, built up somewhere between '69 and '71, used this frame, and whatever parts survived from the Group 44 TR3. Various body panels, susp pieces, engine parts were used. The car has been raced ever since. I was only a kid at the time (Born in 1968) I was always told that this was the Group 44 TR3 but my dad took great pride in the Group 44 connection and stretched the truth just a little ; ) The car was fast and always ran at the front of the pack. It was also super reliable and we always spent time hanging around having fun at the track and I can not recall ever pulling the head or doing engine work at the track. ~Steve Belfer From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 11 11:35:37 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:35:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, around 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season figured it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was still on the shaft and tightened it up. Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there either. We decided to put it back together. Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out when the flywheel was loose and banging around. My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three problems? Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other suggestions? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit race car 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars 70 GT6 From markvaden at gmail.com Tue May 12 14:26:40 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza Message-ID: <285b8a860905121326m5ac13537ib70d812c4d5b0d42@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Here is the first 10 minutes of the Group 1 qualifying race from British Extravaganza event a couple of weekends ago. This race had nearly 60 cars, so it was really crowded. I was working on various car issues, so I did not notice a camera cable was a little loose, so there is some interference during the video, but it still came out ok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU8fWTspWOE Enjoy, Mark From kaskas at cox.net Tue May 12 15:04:35 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Questions Message-ID: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> Are we blocked out ? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 11 16:02:18 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Not quite Triumph material - 24 hours of Lemons in Stafford, CT. Message-ID: Ok, so there is zero triumph material in this other than the car is in the same garage as my TR6 and GT6...And if we have enough fun, we're going to race a GT6 next race. Mostly for the folks in the Northeast, but anyone else who happens to have interest, 'sponsorship' connections, publicity connections, or just plain wants to laugh at us... My insane college/post college companions and myself are putting together an effort ( heretofore known as the Knights Who Say Ni-ssan) to race in this year's 24 hours of LeMons event being held in Stafford Springs Ct. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/events/neweng09/ We have one goal. Finish. We strive not to be beaten by our own equipment. Especialy not our own equipment weilded by our team mates or spouses. My wife has been eyeing the 6' steel pry bar a lot of late however... Anything beyond that is considered gravy. The team consists of one seasoned SCCA club racer, two seasoned autocrossers, and two car nuts. We're looking for folks to help round out the team. We need all the groupies and hangers on we can gather of course, but a few folks with mechanical ability as well might prove to be of some help. Given that our sixth driver flaked out over the weekend, siting a desire to spend time with his family or some other such nonsense, we are particularly looking for some chump, er, qualified individual who would be interested in the position of driver #6. Someone who can contribute some modicum of driving ability, experience or at least interest, the deep seated desire to actually finish 15 hours of racing with 5 other sweaty, overweight, bleary eyed whack jobs and the financial wherewithal to help contribute to getting the untested steel steed, a tired old Nissan 200SX, out onto the track in the next 8 weeks. Oh, and a decent knowledge of Monty Python helps. A bonus if you can recite the entire Spam skit. To yourself. Silently. Every time. Team meetings are usually Saturdays (from about 10 - 5) at my house in Sunny Troy NY where we are in the process of making said car ready to go. Get hold of me if you're interested in any role, even as a hanger on. Or if you know someone who can send us SX200 parts, T shirts, or empty SPAM cans to patch up the rust holes. We're even willing to take on a few 'real' sponsors. The challenge before us... http://gallery.bithose.com/main.php?g2_itemId=20160 Thanks! Bob From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon May 11 11:58:56 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <4A086760.6040204@bright.net> Last call for parts to Import Carlisle. Hello list. Sorry to bug you but if anyone needs something brought to Import Carlisle, we need to know. Loading on Tuesday. Leaving very early Thursday morning and arriving Carlisle late afternoon. Our space numbers are E64 and E65. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 12 16:29:43 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] JE Pistons Message-ID: <611046243.7287601242167383935.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Will the FoT member interested in my three ( 3 ) "like new" JE pistons please contact me off-line. Thanks jcjcarrera at comcast.net From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Tue May 12 16:35:05 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Message-ID: <151270747.7289851242167705994.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Getting ready to paint the engine compartment and trunk of my street 67 4A, "new white" color. The paint supplier said it would be helpful if we knew the name of the manufacturer of the original paint. Any ideas out there in FoT land as to where I might look up this info? Thanks, John James #116 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue May 12 18:06:31 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc Message-ID: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: Question for the group  what is the diameter of a stock TR4 clutch disc? Reason I ask is I just ordered a new Borg & Beck (I thought) clutch disc from The Roadster Factory which arrived today. It looked larger than the disc I just had in the car and when I measured the diameter it was 5/8 wider. The extra width will not allow it to marry up to the pressure plate I have been using. The TRF clutch disc measures 9 1/8 in diameter and the friction material is 1 1/2  wide. I compared the pressure plate and clutch disc to what I had just removed from the car with two older sets I had on the shelf, one Borg & Beck set and on LUK set. Both of these sets are the same size as the set I recently removed from my TR4. All these clutch discs measure 8 = in diameter with the friction material 1 < wide. I checked the TRF catalog and based on their listing, I ordered the correct part (116638) number and that number is on the box the new disc came in. In addition, the TRF disc is too wide to use with my new Joe Alexander lightweight flywheel but all the other clutch discs fit perfectly. So something is amiss which I will clarify with TRF tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have any info that will help determine what it is TRF sent me? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon May 11 10:23:55 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:23:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> Don't forget the ford in the 12 hour or was it a 6 hour Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: macdonaldp at rogers.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Bob's first championship was ith the TR4, then in EP, in 1962. Second was EP in '63. Then DP championship in '64. Mike Cook > From: macdonaldp at rogers.com > To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:09:14 -0400 > CC: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > Guess I didn't read far enough > > "Prior to racing Darts in the 1966-67 seasons, Bob Tullius raced Triumphs. > He earned the National Champion title in 1964 in the SCCA D Production > class. During the 66 season, in addition to his Dart, he campaigned a > Trimuph TR4A." > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] > Sent: May 10, 2009 10:07 AM > To: Bobby Whitehead; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > How about the Dodge Dart? Was it the first Group 44 car? > > Paul > > http://www.autohobbydigest.com/66ta.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead > Sent: May 9, 2009 10:43 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT > > > OK... my silly question.... > > How many Group 44 car owners are on FoT? > > How do we get the rest of them on here? > > Bobby Whitehead > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 12 19:35:28 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:35:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Universal truths Message-ID: <4A0A23E0.1060907@bradakis.com> I love computers. I never told a lie in my life. mjb. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 12 20:43:33 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:43:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Message-ID: <6e8f7c7d$10f6f4eb$7aaf2371$@com> John, in the Moss catalog next to the TR4 frame section they show paint codes and explain some on older paints. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:17 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Paint matching Getting ready to paint the engine compartment and trunk of my street 67 4A, "new white" color. The paint supplier said it would be helpful if we knew the name of the manufacturer of the original paint. Any ideas out there in FoT land as to where I might look up this info? Thanks, John James #116 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 12 20:59:33 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Questions References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> Message-ID: <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> Bradakis put a note up a few days ago, something about changing ISPs and the team.net lists would be intermittent for a short bit. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [Fot] Questions > Are we blocked out ? > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:08:14 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT In-Reply-To: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> References: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> Message-ID: <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue May 12 21:11:48 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> Message-ID: <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. Sorry to hit the list with this but...... Bob Kramer Austin, TX From malaboge at aol.com Tue May 12 22:00:09 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc In-Reply-To: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Gary- Sounds like you got a TR3 clutch disc....its 1/2" wider than the TR4 at 9" versus 8.5" for the TR4...I assume it fits the splines? Often oversized on the friction myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 5:06 pm Subject: [Fot] clutch disc Hello: Question for the group  what is the diameter of a stock TR4 clutch disc? Reason I ask is I just ordered a new Borg & Beck (I thought) clutch disc from The Roadster Factory which arrived today. It looked larger than the disc I just had in the car and when I measured the diameter it was 5/8 wider. The extra width will not allow it to marry up to the pressure plate I have been using. The TRF clutch disc measures 9 1/8 in diameter and the friction material is 1 1/2  wide. I compared the pressure plate and clutch disc to what I had just removed from the car with two older sets I had on the shelf, one Borg & Beck set and on LUK set. Both of these sets are the same size as the set I recently removed from my TR4. All these clutch discs measure 8 = in diameter with the friction material 1 < wide. I checked the TRF catalog and based on their listing, I ordered the correct part (116638) number and that number is on the box the new disc came in. In addition, the TRF disc is too wide to use with my new Joe Alexander lightweight flywheel but all the other clutch discs fit perfectly. So something is amiss which I will clarify with TRF tomorrow. In the meantime, does anyone have any info that will help determine what it is TRF sent me? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue May 12 22:46:09 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:46:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> Message-ID: <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they realized I really would!! On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of > my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins > Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it > was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of > times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to > straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. > > Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they > were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the > later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the > dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. > > Sorry to hit the list with this but...... > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 13 00:28:13 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never would torque up a flywheel without loctite. I use the standard bolts that came from Triumph with the car, torque them up to the amount the company wants me and never had any problem. As the flywheel bolts are short they are not stretch bolts. If you use grease on the threads then use also a securing ring or tabs to prevent the bolts from rotating. I don't know what happened first. I can imagine two cases: 1. harmonic damper came loose and made the flywheel wobbling what has stretched the flywheel bolts 2. the flywheel bolts came loose and this vibration had loosen the harmonic damper However make certain to prevent the bolts from coming loose. Just tighten them is not enough from my opinion. The distributor rotor might have been killed from the vibration that occurred and has for sure saved the engine. The dumm thing is that your crank might be exhausted and might break in short future. Should be replaced. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von George Harmuth Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2009 19:36 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, around 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season figured it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was still on the shaft and tightened it up. Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there either. We decided to put it back together. Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out when the flywheel was loose and banging around. My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three problems? Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other suggestions? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit race car 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars 70 GT6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bfeken at copper.net Wed May 13 02:07:31 2009 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] close ratio gearsets Message-ID: <005301c9d3a1$de2ff4d0$905bfb48@keng> For those that requested them, The close ratio gearsets for Tr3-Tr6 are beginning to arrive, Ken British frame & Engine 626-443-0939 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 13 05:53:57 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:53:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT/now KASTNER'S SEBRING TR4s In-Reply-To: <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> References: <000801c9d254$e1626e60$a4274b20$@net> <673993c50905122008j485bfab1q37518a072841d034@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBA1D8A176F03A-1198-20F3@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> it appears that we have two Sebring TR4s identified. i forgot to ask Tullius about the third one. still an open question. thanks?? joe a? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Adams To: Craig Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net; igofaster at charter.net Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 owners on FoT Most people seem to forget that it was Group 44 that won the 1988 Trans Am Championship with that awesome Audi-200 Quattro. The Group's TR4A was wrecked at the Hershey Hillclimb sometime in the later 60's/70. Bob Adams Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 13 06:15:54 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: ....and in the big scheme of things I'm OK with it. I could never repay all the FOT value that I have received over the years. If somebody is getting good use of it then it is in a good place. I have a ratty old TR4 racecar that I am going to put right for my son to drive and I don't want to buy another one if that one is coming back. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:46 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they realized I really would!! On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of > my spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins > Glen, but my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it > was there or another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of > times now. This time I forgot all about it until I decided to > straighten out my supplies boxes and found the empty box. > > Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they > were wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the > later type Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the > dark I know, but before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. > > Sorry to hit the list with this but...... > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 13 06:56:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:56:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch disc In-Reply-To: <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> References: <000301c9d35e$ac06c080$04144180$@racer@comcast.net> <8CBA19671884109-AC8-923@Webmail-mg11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: The smaller disc started with the 4A; the TR4 used the same larger plate as the TR3. Randall with a 4A clutch in a 3A From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 13 08:03:05 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:03:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC><8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky><3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: <12FD7CE8DF0E4199A4D509FDE69EB512@Charly> Bill, Front brake rotors came from me a couple of years ago at the Historics in Kent. Don't know about the rest though. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor >I know how you feel. I lent out a full rocker assembly somewhere and never >saw them again. Hand lightened and matched rockers, genuine ho- made >spacers (made by hos?), etc. etc.. I guess that makes up for the disks >that are on Peyote that I don't remember the source of. Probably some >other bits too. I hope when people said "forget about it" to me that they >realized I really would!! > > > On May 12, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> This may be a pointless exercise but I have completely lost track of my >> spare TR4 race distributor. I believe I lent it out at Watkins Glen, but >> my memory isn't strong enough to remember for sure if it was there or >> another race weekend. I have lent it out a couple of times now. This >> time I forgot all about it until I decided to straighten out my supplies >> boxes and found the empty box. >> >> Anyway, if per chance somebody out there has a distributor and they were >> wondering where it came from I it is possibly mine. It is the later type >> Lucas modified to fit wet liner Triumphs. A shot in the dark I know, but >> before I buy another one it is worth mentioning. >> >> Sorry to hit the list with this but...... >> >> Bob Kramer >> Austin, TX _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at gte.net Wed May 13 08:24:58 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza References: <285b8a860905121326m5ac13537ib70d812c4d5b0d42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007201c9d3d6$98d27040$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Mark: Great job.... you have amazing talent -not just your driving but, the knowledge to develop make the program that incorporates the gps and g force indicator. I want that setup. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Video from VARA British Extravaganza > Hi, > > Here is the first 10 minutes of the Group 1 qualifying race from > British Extravaganza event a couple of weekends ago. This race had > nearly 60 cars, so it was really crowded. I was working on various car > issues, so I did not notice a camera cable was a little loose, so > there is some interference during the video, but it still came out ok. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU8fWTspWOE > > > Enjoy, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Wed May 13 16:59:45 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:59:45 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F71FEA90F5B4CD78931619AE47C83E5@GEOFFPC> Check that the crank is not broken through the rear main if its not it most probable will in future . Have it crack tested and checked for straightness. The motor will run OK with a diagonal break through rear main ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:35 AM Subject: [Fot] Any connection between these problems? >I have a question for the massed knowledge here. I had my first race of the > season last weekend at Pocono. I was running a new engine, 1296, in my > spitfire. The engine had about 45 minutes of run time on it, in the garage > and up the driveway, nothing at load. 1/2 way around the first lap, when I > was going into 4th gear, short shifting while I broke in the motor, > around > 7000 RPM, the motor cut out. I coasted to a stop, the engine would still > turn over but not run. Towed back to the pits, found the rotor in the > distributor, Delco-Remy, had split in half and fallen off the shaft. No > sign of any contact inside the distributor, new part for the season > figured > it was defective. Replaced the rotor and the engine fired up. Heard a > rattle somewhere, noticed the harmonic balancer moving in and out a 1/4 > inch. Shut it down and saw the nut was missing. Located it under the car, > must have just fallen off. Put it back on, checking to assure the key was > still on the shaft and tightened it up. > > Fired it up again and the rattle was still there. Pulled the starter and > found play in the flywheel, would move back and forth 1/4 inch. We pulled > the tranny and found the flywheel bolts had loosened up. Pulled the wheel > and clutch off, cleaned and checked everything, all looks OK. Grabbed the > flywheel flange and it felt tight, no noticeable play in the shaft. I > didn't have a run out gauge at the track so I can't put a number on it but > the front and back of the crankshaft seemed to be tight. When I turned the > front, the back turned the same amount so I'm assuming the crank isn't > broken.Looked at the valve train, nothing out of the ordinary there > either. > We decided to put it back together. > > Cleaned up the parts, put fresh lube on the bolts (ARP) put them in finger > tight and the first bolt that had a wrench on it snapped off inside the > crank before the torque wrench went a 1/4 turn past finger tight. We > couldn't get the broken bolt out at the track so we packed it in for the > weekend. I'm assuming that the bolt broke because it had been stressed out > when the flywheel was loose and banging around. > > My questions, are these separate, independent problems? Did the faulty > rotor save me from major damage due to sloppy assembly work with the > flywheel and crank nuts or can you think of a common cause for all three > problems? > > Does anyone use tab washers for their racing engine flywheels? Loctite > doesn't seem practical since I don't dry assembly the flywheel bolt, I use > a lube and torque them 3 times as recommended by ARP. Should I go back to > Grade 8 hardware and drill holes so I can wire them together? Any other > suggestions? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > 63 Spit race car > 70,72,79,80 Spitfire Road cars > 70 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed May 13 18:22:26 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin From budscars at comcast.net Wed May 13 18:38:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: Message-ID: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> I've broken 1 1296 small crank..that was after about 60+ hours on the engine..racing vintage..shifting at 6500 with occasional 7000..it broke in front of the rear main... my present crank is nitrited, and has about 20 hours on it Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Wed May 13 18:44:11 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Message-ID: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Any old timers out there? Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed May 13 19:38:20 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:38:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> References: <233F68B3DEBC453180C5929D9A051859@Bud> Message-ID: When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP champ) from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the crank. Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the rod as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. Mike Cook > From: budscars at comcast.net > To: norlinengineering at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > > I've broken 1 1296 small crank..that was after about 60+ hours on the > engine..racing vintage..shifting at 6500 with occasional 7000..it broke in > front of the rear main... > my present crank is nitrited, and has about 20 hours on it > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norlin Engineering" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > > > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > > engine this past weekend. > > > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > > or > > shot peened. > > > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > > which > > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > > I > > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > > but > > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > > crankshafts? > > > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > > National when the crank failed. > > > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 13 19:48:25 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:48:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Morgan Plates in Aluminum- TR Powered Message-ID: FOT< Last winter some Morgan guys approached me about making alloy engine plates for their TR powered MOGS. We made them and shipped them off by February. I have a few left if you know any folks out there that would want one. Greg Solow can also supply them. I likely will not produce them again, although the engineering and processing is documented, so that it would be easy to do, if enough are wanted. Thanks, Joe A From Herald948 at aol.com Wed May 13 20:56:50 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:56:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/2009 9:07:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cwn74 at aol.com writes: My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! ==AM== Way cool, Clark! Almost makes me want another Corvair (had one briefly, eons ago). Sound wasn't very good; I don't know if that was the film or my cheap speakers. But the announcer sounded to me like the immortal Fred Foy (also announcer for Dick Cavett and the Lone Ranger radio show)!? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu May 14 04:55:51 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 03:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: "Norlin Engineering" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering wrote: From: Norlin Engineering Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu May 14 05:47:05 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:47:05 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler Message-ID: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> FOT Any of you guys running diff oil coolers on independant rear end Triumphs. If so can you let me have some details on the set up eg inlet and outlet points , type of pump used and size of cooler and where mounted etc . Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From horizonracing at msn.com Thu May 14 07:41:02 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:41:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler In-Reply-To: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> References: <9BCEE6E2046B40728D129FB3A289B54A@GEOFFPC> Message-ID: Geoff, Although not Triumph, I've done this to a Lister chevy and a Devin SS. Both De Dion tube cars with inboard brakes. The factory lister cars ran this set up in the 50's using a modified double SU pump (jag) and drivers were asked not to turn them on until lap 2-3. I'm using a modern elect. pump designed for heavy oil with a 6-8 row -8 cooler. I also put in a coarse screen filter before the pump inlet. Return oil is aimed at the crown wheel as close to the pinion as possible. The elect. oil pump is wiried into the fuel pump. cheers Tony > From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:47:05 +1000 > Subject: [Fot] Diff Oil Cooler > > FOT > Any of you guys running diff oil coolers on independant rear end Triumphs. If > so can you let me have some details on the set up eg inlet and outlet points , > type of pump used and size of cooler and where mounted etc . > Geoff Byrne > TR6 Racer Down Under > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 14 09:01:22 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:01:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My 1147 never broke a crank even after wrapping a rod around it. But it did rather religiously eat rod bearing #3. See aforementioned U shaped rod. Bob On 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > To: "Norlin Engineering" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for > Susan > break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances > were > that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location > of > the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. > If > memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the > mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it > happened > Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering > wrote: > > From: Norlin Engineering > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Thu May 14 13:22:16 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Message-ID: <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> WHOA!? Track looks very early, ruff, compared to how it looks today.? Still the question -? how many Corvairs did GM use to make that film?? And, can you believe the off-road sequences, how many had to be towed and the scenes had to be re-shot? They are unusual cool cars, there were 3 Corvairs at the Jaguar autocross I participated last month.? Everyone cheered them all on and all the drivers had big smiles when they crossed the finish line. Drive on, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 8:44 pm Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock Any old timers out there? Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! It should generate some questions for John Fitch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Thu May 14 14:27:06 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:27:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> <8CBA2E06CFB8C6F-104C-1C6A@webmail-dh34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A0C7E9A.1090100@dfn.com> robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > WHOA!? Track looks very early, ruff, compared to how it looks today.? Still the question -? how many Corvairs did GM use to make that film?? And, can you believe the off-road sequences, how many had to be towed and the scenes had to be re-shot? > > I thought the musical accompaniment was, uh, very symphonic. :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From REK46 at aol.com Thu May 14 16:02:10 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:02:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: who did the crank work on the 1296? ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Thu May 14 16:20:12 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:20:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your fingers crossed? I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the Cooper S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP champ) from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the crank. Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the rod as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. Mike Cook ____________________________________________________________ Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ From adams910 at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:44:15 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <673993c50905141544t3817b41ra0cebc92f183f682@mail.gmail.com> I asked Dick Stockton this question before. On the TR4's they were getting 3-4 races on connecting rods and 8-9 races on the crankshafts before they were thrown in the scrap pile. Bob Adams From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 16:48:19 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <614E65F8689349C5A4B6CF4088DBB564@Bud> in 1969 we could nitrite, balance, shot peen.....we could not add metal.....camshaft also...we could do any grind as long as we did not add metal Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What > was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? > Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your > fingers crossed? > > I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka > high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. > > The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the > Cooper > S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM > To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP > champ) > from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the > crank. > > > > Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." > > > > The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the > rod > as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. > > > > Mike Cook > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Thu May 14 16:54:49 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:54:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Message-ID: For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 DefinitionSub Cat. 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as such. It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is permitted provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as the original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA Rulebook........rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 17:03:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? References: Message-ID: Woohooo..thank you Rick!....I acually remembered that stuff! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and > Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 > DefinitionSub Cat. > 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to > lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and > drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as > such. > It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless > authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) > heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is > permitted > provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as > the > original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA > Rulebook........rick > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do > in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 14 18:08:04 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:08:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> References: <000301c9d4e2$279e6840$39721342@jrg> Message-ID: <11B83247C6814B31B7672473599A95FD@KasPC> You could do anything that you wanted to the crank except, add material. No welding, or whatever except balancing. Read the meaning of balancing in the dictionary, it means to " make even". Does not say to take away or add, just make even. It is interesting in this rule as with the TR-6 I had to move the harmonic trouble spot to a higher location in revs so I added a bunch of weight to the crank and even added brass plates to the sides of throws to get the harmonic in a position that was outside of the area in which I would use the engine. Worked like a charm and, as I was balancing, it was allowed. You gotta read the rules. Used nitriding as a tool most of the time, made a 50% strength improvement in the TR-6, TR-250 crank.. The difference between the Spitfire big bearing crank and the small bearing crank is the oil passages. The big bearing is not good. I had a terrible time with it and finally plugged the stock hole and cross drilled, this fixed it and redrilled the main feed to the throw. I've written about this in my books as most already know. The same with 1500, same problem, oil passages wrong for high revs and racing. Okay on the stockers though. This all happened as they were trying ( and did) commonize parts in the engines across the model line. Bad move for racers. Sometimes I was very popular at the factory and sometimes not, when I hollered and yelled about the 1296 MK 4 crank I was not popular (I was correct) but not popular. Then they did the same thing on the 1500, different folks to deal with at that time, not the same old Triumph good guys who had been shipped out to rescue engineering in the M.G. plant in Birmingham. Mergers do not always do a good thing for the customer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > That raises an interesting question.. Back when the cars were new.. What > was "allowed" (wink wink) for crank prep? Different alloys? > Nitriding/Tuftriding? Or just balance the factory piece and keep your > fingers crossed? > > I'd always heard the small bearing crank was better for taking abuse (aka > high revs) than the later big bearing 1296 and 1500 cranks. > > The only LBC crank I'd ever heard described as "bullet proof" is the > Cooper > S crank, EN40B steel and nitrided from the factory. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of michael cook > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 PM > To: budscars at comcast.net; norlinengineering at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > When I purchased the Triumph competition Dept. Spitfire Mk 3 (1969 FP > champ) > from Kas, he said "DON'T go more than six races without replacing the > crank. > > > > Being budget-minded, I went six races and decided "Just one more." > > > > The crank broke at #3 in practice for the seventh race. I still have the > rod > as a paperweight - it has a nice hump bend in the middle. > > > > Mike Cook > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now to find great remedies for hangovers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYX6cR18UXFJEkUUGqCTC67TGbCEepqoWdPvSn8auUrtjfCrkfaWRq/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 14 18:23:08 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] High Plains Vintage opener! Message-ID: Hey guys, http://www.9news.com/sports/article.aspx?storyid=115728&catid=295 Kevin From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu May 14 18:56:15 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:56:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee Message-ID: FOT, Rising up from ashes with an eight year restoration, Zach's TR4 is being prepared for entry into the Targa Tasmania Rally. No brainer for someone to 2nd the nomination Mr. Zach McAfee of Oz. Here ye, here ye, here ye... Joe Alexander From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 14 19:03:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee References: Message-ID: A 2nd here by Racer Bud! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tasmanian Devil - A Nomination for Zach Mcafee > FOT, > > Rising up from ashes with an eight year restoration, Zach's TR4 is being > prepared for entry into the Targa Tasmania Rally. > > No brainer for someone to 2nd the nomination Mr. Zach McAfee of Oz. > > Here ye, here ye, here ye... > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlcooknj at msn.com Thu May 14 19:37:38 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:37:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock In-Reply-To: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> References: <002c01c9d42d$19240e60$4b6c2b20$@com> Message-ID: I was at Lime Rock in 1959 for the Britih Automobile Manufacturers Association Test Days and that's what it looked like. The only thing paved was the track. Mike > From: cwn74 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:44:11 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] 1960 Corvair ad - Lime Rock > > Any old timers out there? > > Wondering what Lime Rock looked like in 1960? > > > > My friend Trevor found this video on YouTube, watch it, you won't regret it! > > It should generate some questions for John Fitch! > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7jtf9YJEh0&NR > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 14 20:05:29 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] in search of 15 x 7 panasport Message-ID: I know it's a stretch but what the heck. I bent one of my panasport racing wheels in my wreck last year. Anybody have one stashed in a corner left over from a previous project? It's a 15 x 7 with 4 x 4-1/2 bolt pattern. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_ Mobile1_052009 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Thu May 14 21:52:54 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains Message-ID: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages from the oil gallery to the mains? If so, what size is optimal? Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? If pressure in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the valve gear. Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? Thanks, Greg From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 14 22:21:24 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:21:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lucas/Alden distributor In-Reply-To: References: <047F2365AA0340CE9F94C557827B4130@KasPC> <8B65DCFC13E84F30A517BCB513F12E3E@rocky> <3D79528975A94C7D97DE8A6B44C851B5@hp532n> <682185DB-1CF7-48BE-BD3A-F4F8D8EA7E00@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4A0CEDC4.1000903@bradakis.com> Kramer, Robert wrote: > I could never repay all the FOT value that I have received over the years. Amen to that! mjb. PS: Services seem to be back to normal after the ISP switch earlier this week. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri May 15 06:29:37 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c9d558$d002e9e0$7008bda0$@net> Bud....I bet you don't remember what you had for dinner last night Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:04 PM To: REK46 at aol.com; britbits at netzero.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? Woohooo..thank you Rick!....I acually remembered that stuff! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > For the record, my 1972 GCR says the following regarding "Engine and > Drivetrain"...."Appendix A,section 2.Production Category..2.1 > DefinitionSub Cat. > 2.2 Authorized Modifications...Sub Par. D. 4...Quote " It is permitted to > lighten,balance,or modify in shape by tooling components of the engine and > drive-train, provided it is always possible to identify them positively as > such. > It is not permitted to add any material or mechanical extension unless > authorized in these rules.........Mechanical (i.e., shot or glass peening) > heat,chemical (including plating) treatment of these components is > permitted > provided it is always possible to identify the components positively as > the > original equipment "...This ai all from the 1972 GCR/PCS SCCA > Rulebook........rick > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do > in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlc ntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 15 06:30:42 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:30:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Message-ID: Here is a car that I have been following for a while. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9200 Looks like it is ready to run soon. Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri May 15 06:32:40 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgot to mention that there are three pages of the discussions, so don't miss the latest. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: May 15, 2009 8:31 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Here is a car that I have been following for a while. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9200 Looks like it is ready to run soon. Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 20:02:24 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I'd like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumphs to FoT. Pat autocrosses a Spitfire and a GT6. He has also shipped his cars to the UK on occasion to run the RBRR. He and his wife have a total of 5 Triumphs including a Stag. Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri May 15 20:21:43 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <840029.16515.qm@web80802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second for sure. Pat puts on one heck of an autocross. Welcome Pat. Marty > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:02:24 -0700 > From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > To: fot at autox.team.net; pat at patbarber.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Amici, > > I'd like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumphs to FoT. Pat autocrosses a Spitfire > and a GT6. He has also shipped his cars to the UK on occasion to run the RBRR. > > He and his wife have a total of 5 Triumphs including a Stag. > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial _Storage1_052009 From REK46 at aol.com Sat May 16 08:31:07 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:31:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 16 08:40:41 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:40:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D57@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Sounds good to me! Second! Scott B. (Across the lake in Wisconsin) ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Sat May 16 09:31:07 2009 Subject: [Fot] Nomination I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gp89 at charter.net Sat May 16 09:16:10 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 8:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090516111610.E910N.2799967.root@mp06> Another beer drinking Spit racer? Absolutely! Jeff Senty ---- REK46 at aol.com wrote: > I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT > list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his > trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA > for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever > seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin > bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the > list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. > Find free things to do in the U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat May 16 11:19:21 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:19:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam In-Reply-To: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C594@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Speaking of broken cranks, I just had a cam break in my just rebuilt 109E in a Lotus 7. (1498cc 4 banger, push rod, modest cam etc....) Won the race but lost the engine. I have heard of lots of cranks letting go due to lots of reasons but not a cam. What are the likely reasons and does this happen more then I know. Bill B Lotus 7 GT6 Etc... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: "Norlin Engineering" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering wrote: From: Norlin Engineering Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 engine this past weekend. This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided or shot peened. The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal which is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if I had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that didn't show up on the magnaflux test. I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, but now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 crankshafts? The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the National when the crank failed. "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 16 12:33:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam References: <231888.83043.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C594@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <96F7118CF5004E5F91DC80157158BEF6@Bud> Hi bill....i just asked my friend/machinist about it...The ford cam is a cast cam...which if traumatized previously could cause it to break... another reason could be mis-alignment of a cam bearing Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bartlett" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cam > Speaking of broken cranks, I just had a cam break in my just rebuilt 109E > in a > Lotus 7. (1498cc 4 banger, push rod, modest cam etc....) Won the race but > lost > the engine. > I have heard of lots of cranks letting go due to lots of reasons but not a > cam. What are the likely reasons and does this happen more then I know. > Bill B > Lotus 7 > GT6 > Etc... > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:56 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these > problems? > To: "Norlin Engineering" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM > > > > > > > > Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for > Susan > break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances > were > that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The > location > of > the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. > If > memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before > the > mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it > happened > Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad? > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Norlin Engineering > wrote: > > From: Norlin Engineering > Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these problems? > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:22 PM > > Interesting to read this thread as I suffered a broken crank on my 1296 > engine this past weekend. > > This is a small crank engine, prepared to SCCA limited prep rules for HP. > Shift point is 6800-7000 and max revs are about 7500, so the engine is > really not stressed that much. The crank was balanced, but not nitrided > or > shot peened. > > The crank broke between the #1 con rod journal and the #1 main journal > which > is totally weird. It's hard to tell looking at the two halves since they > beat on each other for a few seconds before I could kill the motor, but if > I > had to guess, there was a fairly large internal flaw in the forging that > didn't show up on the magnaflux test. > > I've been lead to believe that these cranks are virtually bullet proof, > but > now I'm not so sure. How many others have suffered broken 1300 > crankshafts? > > The real bummer in this (besides the cost) is that I was leading HP in the > National when the crank failed. > > "Helping to restore the economy thru racing" - Jim Norlin > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Sat May 16 17:59:30 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:59:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. Message-ID: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically DEAD!!!!!!! Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from Michigan to Car lisle. unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. Also some into from Ted Schumacher. The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. From budscars at comcast.net Sat May 16 18:05:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. References: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> Message-ID: maybe it's just the economy? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. >I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. > I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically > DEAD!!!!!!! > > Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from > Michigan to Car lisle. > > > unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. > Also some into from Ted Schumacher. > > The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. > > Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. > > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 16 20:14:36 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <336620.63593.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Sat May 16 21:17:11 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0F5362.6090808@charter.net> Message-ID: <001001c9d69e$083eccc0$60771342@jrg> Bud, Glenn is right, Carlisle has probably gone beyond the point of no return on LBC deals. 25 years ago you'd see box trucks loaded with NOS Lucas lenses, Smith's gauges, etc etc etc. Mostly from east coast dealerships and auto parts stores that'd recently closed. That supply of parts is long gone. Blame time... And maybe ebay too. At the same time, most of the people going to Carlisle are looking for the ultimate deal. A friend who's been a vendor since the mid-80s doesn't take any good parts anymore as people will try to offer $25 for an o/d gearbox. So mostly it's the junk he can't sell at the better swap meets/shows. Still regret passing up the aluminum flywheel with clutch setup (all new) for a Spitfire 1147. Only $25, but the seller couldn't tell me if it'd fit my newly acquired 1500 (it wouldn't). As my friend pointed out.. Would have made a neat wall hanging. ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:05 PM To: Glenn Franco; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. maybe it's just the economy? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Carlisle R.IP. >I have been a loyal Carlisle follower for the last 20 years. > I can honestly say the Import and kit car Nationonals are offically > DEAD!!!!!!! > > Sorry but this is the last time I will ever make the the trip from > Michigan to Car lisle. > > > unfortunately the best I could find was some micro brew from Carlisle. > Also some into from Ted Schumacher. > > The show is less than 1/3 of it's original and may is RIP. > > Your can all thank EBAY" for this revelation. > > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer and many TR's but never on Ebay. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWIQW3GZgkW2r9JUjYeq22BVCA3XcW7GMWuEoiMsnW352gY7cETrK/ From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun May 17 07:32:09 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:32:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts Message-ID: <4A1011D9.40705@cfl.rr.com> All, For a TR4A-TR6 I am in need of locating a left side vertical link and upper and lower control arms for both sides. Any help or leads is much appreciated. thxx, Bob 57 TR3 From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun May 17 07:57:01 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts References: <4A1011D9.40705@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <054d01c9d6f7$5aa886f0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Bob, I probably have what you need; all my parts are at my farm south of Erie. I'm headed there today and can check. Give me a day or two. I'm very busy and to be honest, procrastinate sometimes. (Ted, the camshaft is coming!) Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: [Fot] Need front suspension parts > All, > > For a TR4A-TR6 I am in need of locating a left side vertical link and > upper and lower control arms for both sides. Any help or leads is much > appreciated. > > thxx, > Bob > 57 TR3 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun May 17 11:08:09 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <336620.63593.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <657264166.2502721242580089166.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll be 5th in line...but that what happens when you only check your email once every 2 days! Ron makes some excellent stuff spitfires.B Don't forget his gearbox and loads of other crap. Beer...what's beer! aaron Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:14:36 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... B Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick B Kristoff From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 12:00:17 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:00:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Now Aaron...how can you say that about beer !...Ron and I were at Topeka too,or was that an Aaron Johnson imposter we saw?....Rick ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002 ) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 13:57:05 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <657264166.2502721242580089166.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <312071.85410.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Beer...what's beer! Beer n. 1) enjoyable beverage. enjoyed the most in the company of friends ... of dark color and taste. Heavy. Many varieties exist, but the best are made in Englank, Germany, Holland, and Russia. Some good ones include American companies such as Grays in Janesville Wi. 2) also availabe in distasteful varieties such as ***light, ***amber, and ***fruit flavored ... similar to drinking coolaid or eating lik-m-aid .. (remember that stuff???).. Any other questions Aaron??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: From: fpspitfire at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:08 PM #yiv875530184 p {margin:0;} I'll be 5th in line...but that what happens when you only check your email once every 2 days! Ron makes some excellent stuff spitfires. Don't forget his gearbox and loads of other crap. Beer...what's beer! aaron Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: fot at autox.team.net, REK46 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:14:36 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona) Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I must be at least 4th in line here .... but a 4th it is ... I can use all the help I can get when it comes to suspension ;>) ... Welcome Ron!!!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/16/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 AM I'd like to nominate Ron Krantz of Michigan (not far from me ), for FOT list member...I'm pretty sure a lot of you have worked with Ron or used his trannys or race parts. He has two full race Spits, and has been running SCCA for way too long...He has the best engineered suspension for a Spit, ever seen,designed and built by himself..He's also a great guy and good beer drinkin bud...I'm sure he can bring a ton of good experience and ideas to the list,for Spits, etc...Rick Kristoff From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 13:59:32 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:59:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000 002) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 14:54:35 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <913742.65842.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: REK46 at aol.com the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch OOOKay... I've now met someone just as sick as I am ... :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 2:59 PM the ultimate gourmet....' Beer AND Lik-M-Aid ' ....brunch ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) From REK46 at aol.com Sun May 17 15:06:21 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:06:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Sun May 17 15:30:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: I was a guest judge last night at a Cooking Competition here in Sonoma, Ca at a culinary academy..Each chef had 30 minutes to prepare a meal using some of each ingredient from a previously sealed package. Maybe something like this could be done with items like beer, Likm ade, etc...and who knows what else?....and on the sidelines...at a Bar...would be the playing of the Bar Game 5-9-13...that's the dice game where...the guy who rolls the 5th ace names the drink(it can be anything)..the 9th ace drinks the drink..the 15th ace pays for the drink. Racer Bud....still living my life 'backwards' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh > Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some > judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will > do ! > > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:01:33 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <441056.97042.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're on!!!!! I'll have a judge suggestion by tomorrow ... I think we should each pick a manager/mentor/advisor in this also ... (Just to help us each do our best ;>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, REK46 at aol.com wrote: From: REK46 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net, rkrantz77 at comcast.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 4:06 PM Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! ************** Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:07:59 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <107588.57718.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Assuming that there well may be others semi-qualified to compete, this will have to officially come down to a final winner at a FOT event sometime in the future ????? We know we are all somewhat sick (we race triumphs dont we???) so we should be able to get a qualified field of contestants.... could be fun :>)))))) We will assume (for this group) that there are absolutely NO rules ))))). Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sun, 5/17/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination To: REK46 at aol.com, tstrange at sbcglobal.net, fpspitfire at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 4:30 PM I was a guest judge last night at a Cooking Competition here in Sonoma, Ca at a culinary academy..Each chef had 30 minutes to prepare a meal using some of each ingredient from a previously sealed package. Maybe something like this could be done with items like beer, Likm ade, etc...and who knows what else?....and on the sidelines...at a Bar...would be the playing of the Bar Game 5-9-13...that's the dice game where...the guy who rolls the 5th ace names the drink(it can be anything)..the 9th ace drinks the drink..the 15th ace pays for the drink. Racer Bud....still living my life 'backwards' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Maybe sicker....we need a contest to verify....I'll pick up some fresh > Lik-M Aid tomorrow...beer is already in the garage fridge...just need some > judges....hmmmm, are the Swisher Sweeties available ? Amy and Mandy will do ! > > > > ************** > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the > U.S. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcn tustrav00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Sun May 17 18:21:25 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:21:25 +1000 Subject: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> has anyone found a concentric clutch cylinder/bearing other than the Tilton ones?? I have custom made an alloy flywheel with twin plate Tilton clutch, but I'm now struggling to find a suitable cylinder and bearing.The local Tilton agents want a fortune for a specially imported one. Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun May 17 18:53:16 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:53:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 In-Reply-To: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> References: <20090518002124.ERKT20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@rat01> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987A448C5DA@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Taylor Racing sells a few a good one I use is the Saab 300 annular slave cylinder. Bill Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry and Cindy Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] concentric clutch TR6 has anyone found a concentric clutch cylinder/bearing other than the Tilton ones?? I have custom made an alloy flywheel with twin plate Tilton clutch, but I'm now struggling to find a suitable cylinder and bearing.The local Tilton agents want a fortune for a specially imported one. Thanks Terry O'Beirne Australia Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Sun May 17 21:40:28 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Message-ID: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ From tlizzard at msn.com Mon May 18 05:25:27 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: In short, it is less expensive to race a Spridget, and there are more "donor" cars out there to support an effort. The Sprite engine is more reliable as a race engine too. Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4 UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon May 18 06:39:31 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <1005835510.9410781242649143253.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2116253279.9415701242650371342.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Terry, I thought this was the FOT page.B I can't disagree on the number of donor cars if you add midgets plus sprites. However, when it comes to engines it is still how much reliability you want.B As Hp goes up reliability goes down regardless of what you start with.B Look at the Limited Prep Spits in H Production in SCCA.B Preparation is the key, there is not a single part in my Spit engines that I do not at least massage to get reliability.B Suyspension:B the Spit front suspension is hard to beat, the spridget has lever shocks or you pay to convert to what a Spit has as stock.B Rear Suspension:B Solid rear axle vs Swing axle.B If you think a solid axle is better, put in a super stiff rear spring in your Spit.B Don't forget that you can have that spring made to give any rear camber you want.B Can you do that with a midget rear axle ?B Personally, I prefer letting the suspension do its work and I have a rear suspension that completely eliminates the jacking forces plus the roll center does not move side to side in a corner.B Bottom line is there are fewer Spits to start with but they have the advantage in suspension and are equal in the cost of building a race engine and reliabilty is whatever you want.B And don't forget tranys. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:25:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In short, it is less expensive to race a Spridget, and there are more "donor" cars out there to support an effort. The Sprite engine is more reliable as a race engine too. Terry Stetler. B B ----- Original Message ----- B B From: Jim B B To: fot at autox.team.net B B Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:40 PM B B Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? B B Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage B B Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and B B one burning question popped into mind: B B What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage B B racing? B B In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" B B class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed B B over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and B B encouraged others to build more. B Those cars have bounced between FP and B B Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and B B willingness to be honest. B So that may skew the numbers a tad. B B This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And B B only 1 Spitfire in FP. B In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different B B Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more B B than one Spitfire running at a time. B B On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front B B suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and B B token TVRs that show up from time to time. B B Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? B B Cheers, B B Jim B B Dallas B B ____________________________________________________________ B B You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. B B http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WS y4 UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ B B _______________________________________________ B B Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html B B http://www.fot-racing.com B B Fot mailing list B B Fot at autox.team.net B B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon May 18 07:43:53 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? References: <1005835510.9410781242649143253.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2116253279.9415701242650371342.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: As a CVAR racer I can tell you there is a simple answer to Jim's question, and he touched on it. There is tremendous peer support within the Sprite/Midget racing community and it started with the Spec Sprite program that Roger Williams started. We used to have nearly a dozen Spec Sprites but many have graduated and decided to up the spec and speed to FP. Some of these guys are spending big bucks on engine and suspension to the point that a couple of them are as fast as my TR4A, and I'm keeping up with some of our C Prod 911 and 914-6 Porsches. We lost Susan to a move but we've got a couple of Spitfires now in Joe Hovey and Bill Collins. Joe is solid but Bill is early on the learning curve. What we need in CVAR is a leader for the Spitfire squadron. Jim could come in with his Spitfire and take on that role. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:40 AM To: Terry Stetler Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Terry, I thought this was the FOT page.B I can't disagree on the number of donor cars if you add midgets plus sprites. However, when it comes to engines it is still how much reliability you want.B As Hp goes up reliability goes down regardless of what you start with.B Look at the Limited Prep Spits in H Production in SCCA.B Preparation is the key, there is not a single part in my Spit engines that I do not at least massage to get reliability.B Suyspension:B the Spit front suspension is hard to beat, the spridget has lever shocks or you pay to convert to what a Spit has as stock.B Rear Suspension:B Solid rear axle vs Swing axle.B If you think a solid axle is better, put in a super stiff rear spring in your Spit.B Don't forget that you can have that spring made to give any rear camber you want.B Can you do that with a midget rear axle ?B Personally, I prefer letting the suspension do its work and I have a rear suspension that completely eliminates the jacking forces plus the roll center does not move side to side in a corner.B Bottom line is there are fewer Spits to start with but they have the advantage in suspension and are equal in the cost of building a race engine and reliabilty is whatever you want.B And don't forget tranys. Ron Krantz ReK Racing From cofrog at q.com Mon May 18 08:06:05 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:06:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] In Need Message-ID: Ran the inagural RMVR race at the new High Plains Raceway here in Colorado. Awesome challenging fast track. You folks from east and west of us should consider towing out this way to try it out. Unfortunately I ruined a half used Hoosier 205-60-15 Speedster and am left with three reasonably good ones. I am checking to see if anyone has a good used one they would like to sell. Thanks, Dan Forgey From robertten1 at aol.com Mon May 18 08:17:16 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:17:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ammeter Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBA5DA7B1EBA0F-1604-22BC@WEBMAIL-MY26.sysops.aol.com> Gary, No sure if you solved your problem or if you found a Solid State Stabilizer yet but, note they are availble from British Parts Northwest at what seems to be a reasonable cost. Best of luck, Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: 'Gary Horstkorta' ; Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ammeter Question Try the voltage regulator mounted on the back of the speedometer. I have never had the problem but there has been a lot of discussion about this on the 6pack list. I think some others have come up with a solid state version of this regulator. There maybe some on Ebay. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/135 Hello: While driving my street TR6 today for the first time in a week or so, I noticed the ammeter was "pegged" on the positive side. The gauge remained in the same state with the engine and ignition off. The meter operated normally last time I drove the car and I've not performed any work on the car lately. Electrical troubleshooting is not my strong suit so does anyone have an idea what would cause this condition? Thanks. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon May 18 08:33:36 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:33:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740122320C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Are there more of us Spitfires racing here in the northern latitudes? There are quite a few Spitfires around here - not as many as there are Spridgets, but still a good number of us. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0W Sy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 18 08:54:09 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:54:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains In-Reply-To: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9d510$a1259e80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090518145438.9EC5C187651@autox.team.net> One of the uncle jack tricks was to slightly drill out the center main oil passage. Don't have a diameter, though. Since it feeds two rods instead of one it seemed like the thing to do. This is mentioned in item four of the "Block" section of the engine building tips here: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm - Tony At 10:52 PM 5/14/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages >from the oil gallery to the mains? If so, what size is optimal? >Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., >is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? If pressure >in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil >would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross >sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear >would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant >and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the >valve gear. > >Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? > >Thanks, > >Greg >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 18 09:36:53 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:36:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: We're lacking Spit's here in the PNW as well. Back in the 70's there were a dozen or more Spitfires actively racing SCCA and only a couple of Spridgets. Currently in our SCCA vintage group. I am the only Spitfire running against at least a half dozen Spridgets. Only a couple of those have a true racing heritage, the rest are converted street cars. At Sovern's CRC last year there was one other Spitfire, again a car with great cred's. I think the reason for the difference is how easy it is to convert a street Spridget to racing. You can get virtually everthing you need from Moss Motors. Spitfire race parts such as rear axles, race springs, shocks, etc are available if you know where to look, but the main suppliers just carry street performance parts, not race parts. That being said, I agree that the Spitfire makes a far better race car than the Spridget for all the reasons stated earlier. For one thing, we can keep all the wheels on the ground. On the flip side, I think the Spridget makes a better street car. What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and one burning question popped into mind: What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage racing? In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. And only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed more than one Spitfire running at a time. On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and token TVRs that show up from time to time. Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4U CG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon May 18 09:59:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pretty Peyote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <769ABE2E-47A9-417A-90EA-A98334676CA6@bnj.com> Peyote was amazing this weekend. Not only did it look great, it ran great. Had an absolute blast racing Cameron Healy in the Pooper, Tony Garmey in his Corvette and John Goodman in his Devin SS. We had a fine turnout of Triumph racers, all of whom did great. A full writeup later. I started the weekend off a bit slow, doing 1:42's and lolling around in sixth place. Flatspotted a new tire in the second lap of the test and tune day, and the flat spot got worse until there was cord showing. Swapped to an old set of Speedsters and started from the back, which gave me the impetus I needed to get the lead out and drive. Did a 1:39:4something catching up and trying to make my way to the front, but with the Corvette and Devin sliding around and screaming like banshees passing felt like trying to run through a spinning revolving door. Finished 4th with fastest lap time in race 3, third behind Cameron and Goodman in race 4. Ccouldn't quite get around Cameraon but with all the pushing and shoving we all got well down into the 39's. sure was some interesting passes on the lapped cars. I expected to have a posse of FV drivers with torches and ropes in out pits afterwards, but they seemed okay with it. Scared the crap out of me. Peyote is gorgeous. Weird to say that. Completely authentic, but perfect. Garmey pulled off a miracle. I had a lot of people say "I knew he was good, but I didn't know he was THAT good." Cameron and I had a classic Pooper-Peyote battle. Inches apart and flat out. Total trust. It was awesome. I still haven't quit grinning. From budscars at comcast.net Mon May 18 10:34:48 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740122320C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8DF0263298314B109A8604AF30E51969@Bud> I'm the only spitfire racing with CSRG in Nor calif... Racer Bud spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? > Are there more of us Spitfires racing here in the northern latitudes? > There are quite a few Spitfires around here - not as many as there are > Spridgets, but still a good number of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? > > Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians > Vintage > Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) > and > one burning question popped into mind: > > What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in > vintage > racing? > > In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec > Sprite" > class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely > warmed > over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and > encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and > Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and > willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. > > This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. > And > only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different > Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed > more > than one Spitfire running at a time. > > On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based > front > suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, > and > token TVRs that show up from time to time. > > Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0W > Sy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 18 10:46:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links Message-ID: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Just got finished unloading from last weekend at Road America, running with SVRA. Weather was a bit on the cool side, Sunday was gorgeous. Car is running great, ran a 2:52 in the first session, couldn't equal that until the final race. Had fun in the qualifying sessions, but had a frustrating qualifying race Sat afternoon. Kept getting held up in the twisty bits and then passed on the straights. Dropped from 6th to 10th. Was run off the track by a TVR between the kink and the carousel on the last lap - had a run on him but had to cool my jets. Sunday we were gridded by finishing order Saturday, so I was prepared for more frustration. However, I had an excellent race - ended up moving back up to 7th. Held off the TVR with some minor blocking (hey, what comes around goes around), passed Jeff Johnk in his fast yellow healey, but a Morgan flew by. Had some great dicing with 356's, came out all grins although a bit oil covered from the silver one... Got down to a low 2:51 in the race. Car is running as well as ever, and my Larry cam lets me turn those time while shifting at 6 grand. I think the track's grip has gone down some from a couple years ago where I had the magical race that got me into the 49's. Maybe the Toyos I was running then had a bit more grip than the current Speedsters too... Light turnout for this event, hope that's not a portend of things to come. Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here (fewer titles this time, Chris): http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 Photos from the event here: http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 There are several shots of Bill Dentinger getting awarded a giant bottle of wine for his yeoman's service as treasurer of VSDCA. Bob Wismer's car ran flawlessly all weekend, Bill had an odd problem where his car wouldn't move that kept him out of Sunday's race, but then he was later able to drive it to the trailer. The only other Triumph was John Frederici, he had tranny problems and didn't make the Sunday race. - Tony Drews From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Mon May 18 11:23:05 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains In-Reply-To: <20090518145438.9EC5C187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1655070322.9545641242667385424.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> You are correct if there are casting flaws causing a restriction to the oil flow in the block.B The real problem is in the crankshaft and oil hole size out to the rods. Ron K ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews " To: "Greg & Alison Blake" , fot @ autox .team.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:54:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ Fot ] Drilling oil passages from main gallery to mains One of the uncle jack tricks was to slightly drill out the center main oil passage. B Don't have a diameter, though. B Since it feeds two rods instead of one it seemed like the thing to do. B This is mentioned in item four of the "Block" section of the engine building tips here: http :// www . tonydrews .com/ uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips . htm - Tony At 10:52 PM 5/14/2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: >In a TR3/4 block, is there an advantage to drill out the oil passages >from the oil gallery to the mains? B If so, what size is optimal? >Neglecting (a lot of things) oil surges and viscosity break down etc., >is the oil pressure in the system constant for a given RPM? B If pressure >in the system is constant, when I open up these supply holes more oil >would flow to the main and follow on to the rods due to a greater cross >sectional area for the same pressure and oil supply to the valve gear >would be unaffected because the pressure in the oil gallery is constant >and I have not changed the cross sectional area for the passage to the >valve gear. > >Do I have this correct, or am I all oily? > >Thanks, > >Greg > _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html > > http :// www . fot -racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot @ autox .team.net > http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html http :// www . fot -racing.com Fot mailing list Fot @ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo / fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon May 18 12:06:28 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:06:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> References: <000c01c9d76a$6492d760$65711342@jrg> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0905181106r32c60790pfb00af7808aaf628@mail.gmail.com> Here on the West Coast, Triumphs outnumber every other marque with Spitfires well represented. In VARA (FP), we have no fewer than three to five (equal to the number of Spridgets) while in the larger DP class we have almost 9 regular TR4's plus another couple of big Spits. Twice this year we have had more than 17 Triumphs with 23 at Fontana. Typically, Triumphs (or at least Triumph drivers) will sweep the majority of classes in which they are entered. Part of this credit should go to Kas who continually inspires us to get out there and race, and the rest should go to the drivers who take their old Triumphs and compete against (and beat) their German, Italian and Japanese competition even with outdated technology, heavier cars and longer tracks (which often put us at a disadvantage against the 2002s and 510s. Just a brief thought as to how things are out here. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Jim wrote: > Just got back from a weekend of vintage racing with the Corinthians Vintage > Auto Racing group as the new track near Dallas (Eagle Canyon Raceway) and > one burning question popped into mind: > > What's the ratio of Spitfires vs Austin Healey Sprite/MG Midgets in vintage > racing? > > In CVAR there's a gent named Roger Williams that originated a "Spec Sprite" > class in CVAR, (basically a post 1970 Spriget bodyshell with barely warmed > over 1275 and a $35 Firestone spec tire) and directly built a bunch and > encouraged others to build more. Those cars have bounced between FP and > Spec Sprite over the last 10 years depending upon owner's budget and > willingness to be honest. So that may skew the numbers a tad. > > This weekend there were roughly 12 Spridgets (8 FP and 4 Spec Sprite).. > And > only 1 Spitfire in FP. In 15 years I've only ever seen 4 different > Spitfires (3 round tail and 1 squaretail "Mk IV" ;) and never witnessed > more > than one Spitfire running at a time. > > On the flip side, if I counted cars using Spitfire (ok, Herald) based front > suspensions the ratio gets turned over, when you condider the Loti, FF, and > token TVRs that show up from time to time. > > Back to the subject line, is it purely the rear swing axle/diff issue? > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYdji8ZmaG8U47V3nt0WSy4UCG76YLRPxxkwNGrvgdrrfLKZ02uuXG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 18 12:47:29 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:47:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links Message-ID: Amici... Ah yes, we suspect my problem trying to pull out of our paddock (slight up hill on 'spring grass') was that the clutch froze to the flywheel, at least I could no longer get it into any gear. With five minutes to race time, I figured my goose was cooked, and I got back into street clothes. Then there was an incident in the Race Group ahead of us, and our race was a good half hour late. I should have fooled around with the issue, as eventually it went away. Turning everything off, letting it cool down, and starting over seemed to be a fix. At least we were running under our own power when we went to load it in the trailer. We'll take a harder look at it in the shop. As it turned out, I got to watch the race from corner five, and can verify the fun Tony was describing. Tony was collecting Porsches all week end, and done us all proud. Must also mention John Fridirici in his TR3A, who was all alone for most of the race, but as such it was easy to see what a smooth driver John is. He looked really good coming through FIVE and up the hill to SIX. John also ran the Enduro on Friday night, and clocked about 140 miles in that race. The fast MORGAN that passed Tony started well behind him. That's Pat Starr, from Minnesota. He is in his 70s, and driving the same old MORGAN he's been driving since the early 1960s. He is a GREAT driver and used to own the Peyote. Like Bill Babcock, Starr embarrassed a lot of people with the Peyote in vintage racing. About the bottle of wine. It is 14 1/2 liters, and nearly as tall as Shirley. My wife and I have reached a point in life where we enjoy splitting a bottle of wine a couple of nights a week. I think we're going to need seat belts for this one. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322941x1201367178/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=Mayfooter51809NO115) From srcypher at mac.com Mon May 18 15:07:18 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> To some extent, I expect consolidation. I had a collection of 3 log books, one of which I gave away the book and the chassis off to a guy wanting to do vintage 1500. I know he's no where near race ready. The other chassis & book is in storage for some future project. The PO of my current car had consolidated from at least 3 other spit racers; or so I was told, and misplaced log books..... Thanks -Scott Cypher ----------------- On May 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim From britbits at netzero.com Mon May 18 15:39:44 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? In-Reply-To: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> References: <42893099-D8E9-4291-96EC-508075DF3B94@mac.com> Message-ID: <008b01c9d801$4d425710$77711342@jrg> Scott, That makes sense for cars with some history. As to Spitfire vs Spridget availablility... Originally they sold roughly in the same quantities. The Spitfire has 2 distinct body styles and the Spridgets have 2 distinct body styles (Bugeye/early and later). The 1500 engine isn't legal for vintage groups that use the '72 cutoff. So most people look at squaretail Spitfires and say "naaaah". Whereas most MG people look at 1500 Midgets and say "they're trash, make a race car out of them". I'm directly responsible for one of the Spec Sprites in CVAR as I'd collected the parts for such a car and "loaned" them to someone wanting to build up a cheap racecar. About the same time my home owners association started objecting to the junk yard building up in the backyard. It'd be interesting to see what the comparison is between original production of 1296 small bearing Spitfires vs 1275 Spridgets. On a side note, it is possible to convert a Mini FWD 1275 block for a Spridget, vastly increasing the basic block supply. Not cranks, just blocks. CVAR will accept a squaretail Spitfire shell, as long as it's not fitted with a 1500. The problem is that there's a limited supply of Mk3 engines. Anyone successfully running a big bearing 1296? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Cypher Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:07 PM To: Norlin Engineering Cc: fot at autox.team.net; britbits at netzero.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Why the dearth of Spitfire vintage racers? To some extent, I expect consolidation. I had a collection of 3 log books, one of which I gave away the book and the chassis off to a guy wanting to do vintage 1500. I know he's no where near race ready. The other chassis & book is in storage for some future project. The PO of my current car had consolidated from at least 3 other spit racers; or so I was told, and misplaced log books..... Thanks -Scott Cypher ----------------- On May 18, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Norlin Engineering wrote: What I can't understand is where all the old race prep'd Spit's are. Jim Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss. Click here for information on starting your own business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRRJWY8Y8LHP5ykX6h0YEWMmmnwrnRxH3A7YDS8Ln1eAe5pxoQjcM/ From adams910 at gmail.com Mon May 18 17:18:08 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:18:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673993c50905181618s2f160de5y44cbcc890c8286b2@mail.gmail.com> Great video! Looks like a good move by the starter to throw the green flag when they did or that could have been ugly. When the pole sitting car is a Porsche 356 (and it usually is), it's a safe bet that they will be hard on the gas as soon as the pace car gets out of the way. -Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 19 00:06:30 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:06:30 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Don't get me wrong Tony, I love your videos and I can hardly await the video to start. A long "credit" trailer does tease me a lot ;-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 18:46 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links ........... Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here (fewer titles this time, Chris): ............. - Tony Drews From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 07:49:46 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Message-ID: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 19 08:16:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:16:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1547169454.7231911242740986361.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Funny, I run lots of toe in. The only thing with the toe out is that the full load is always on the smaller outside roller bearing and that it might wear out quicker from this. Brake: I would suppose that your rotors and pads went too hot or wasn't braked in properly. As you have a dual brake circuit maybe yours was set too much to the front? I would measure the flatness of the rotors and if the rotors are okay, install new pads and have a go again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2009 15:50 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 08:36:13 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <8CBA6A1BA803976-720-2AF3@WEBMAIL-DZ19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Glen, The suspension checked out fine, nothing out of the ordinary and yes I run the stock calipers. The bias is set to 60 -B 65% front. The soft pedal was determined to be the front circuit but using a half dozen different methods to bleed dual circuit brakes I couldn't get the slack out of the front master.B Last thursday I bledB the brakes and I had a great pedal. It engaged both circuits right from the top of the strokeB but got progressively worse after test & tune on friday. No fluid is leaking anywhere but lost almost 50% of my effective pedal travel. I also cleared the lines of all my old fluid and put in new ( castrol)B last week. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: fubog1 at aol.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:03:32 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? you may have 2 separate issues, brake & suspension. Could something in the suspension be causing excess bump-steer? Possibly too much front brake bias, ie overworking fronts? I assume you have Girling 16 calipers? HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Tue, 19 May 2009 9:49 am Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle Jackbs spindles, 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front & rear brake circuits. Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load was put on the rotors? Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no abnormal wear issues. The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four pads. Has anyone else ever had this experience? Any advice would be appreciated. Jim Gray RMVR # 102 PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come out and race with us you won't regret it. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue May 19 08:43:12 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire vs Spridget Message-ID: <35382.31004.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob Kramer is correct on many points. I was discussing this Saturday night at the track with some folks who are close to the people in the Spec Sprite/FP Spridget group. Roger was the real catalyst for the Spec group, having them built by his high school auto shop at the cost of materials, and still has some cars for rent if they are needed. But those are "really" spec cars and turn lap times equal to FV cars and run with them. The disconcerting thing is the FP Spridgets that EASILY beat MGB's and who's lap times beat Bob's. They would be slapping Bob around if he ran in the same group, and they run with Joe Hovey, and Bobby Whitehead, neither of whom can see them much after the start of the race. The problem is that "vintage spirit" thing again. These cars are high dollar Spridget impersonators. They are running specially modified Mikuni's on engines that are massaged like Colby steaks. Bobby Whitehead ran into problems with his Toyo gearbox because it was a Toyo box. The trannies these guys run are Spridget cases running Hewland gears. They have a stack of gearsets that effectively give them c/r gears at a fraction of the cost for TR guys. They keep a gearbox for each track and can chose their gearing. There was a "local" guy building these $40,000 Spridgets for these gotta win guys. He sold them on the idea that they had to have these to win. He has since moved on to some NASCAR clone group, and is selling these guys on that idea now. Perhaps the numbers of these Super Sprites will decrease soon. Couple this with advantages that Spridgets have over Spit's and it makes a hard car to beat. While Spit drivers have to pay high dollars for decent trannies and axles the don't break, and are discussing broken cranks, these guys have cheap gearsets, $450 rear axles that are bulletproof, and 5 main cranks that don't flop around like a crank in a Viagra commercial. None of what they do breaks any current CVAR rule...carbs are "free" except the number of barrels, and gearbox has to have original case with the gears "free". Yes...the Spit guys have world class front suspension, bigger cockpits, easier engine access, etc, it's hard to beat the win at any cost mindset. Just my take on it - Ed - From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 08:56:18 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <4A12C620.4020505@dfn.com> Message-ID: <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Micheal, I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get the brakes to bleed and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of fresh fluid through over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & right calipers.B jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:45:52 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: Greetings FoT, B This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains Raceway. Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out as pristine front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy braking, then my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with no luck. During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn on the inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard 1/8b toe out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my last engine change. Hmm. Could be. 5/8" toe-out is whole helluva lot.B My guess is that it put a lot of lateral force on the wheels, hubs and rotors which was causing the pads to continuously scrub the rotors, thus making a lot of unanticipated heat, which is also the likely cause of the brake pedal going soft--if there's more heat than can be normally dissipated, it's going to go into the pads and calipers and get transmitted to the fluid.B The fact that you got a good pedal and a proper bleed later, when the system was cold, seems to confirm that. I understand that the course also has a number of elevation changes, and the additional downhill braking might have made the problem even worse. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 09:15:26 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryvi lle.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4A12C620.4020505@dfn.com> <17339917.7253921242744978433.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090519151604.2B5D8187645@autox.team.net> Sounds like the calipers didn't back off properly and overheated the pads. Jack had that issue with the stock calipers, and had heat crazing on the pad and rotor. I have a really hard time understanding how the alignment would have caused that. It would cause tire wear for sure. - Tony Drews At 09:56 AM 5/19/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Micheal, > >I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get >the brakes to bleed > >and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of >fresh fluid through > >over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > >All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & >right calipers.B > >jg From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 09:34:37 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:34:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1280602066.7245851242743773553.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <12A545BE-43D1-4B1D-B6CB-DA0C883238BB@bnj.com> Sounds like your spindles might not be adjusted properly, or you didn't get the brakes bedded. On May 19, 2009, at 7:36 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Glen, > > The suspension checked out fine, nothing out of the ordinary and yes > I run the > stock calipers. > > The bias is set to 60 -B 65% front. The soft pedal was determined to > be the > front circuit > > but using a half dozen different methods to bleed dual circuit > brakes I > couldn't get > > the slack out of the front master.B Last thursday I bledB the brakes > and I had > a great pedal. > > It engaged both circuits right from the top of the strokeB but got > progressively worse after > > test & tune on friday. No fluid is leaking anywhere but lost almost > 50% of my > effective > > pedal travel. I also cleared the lines of all my old fluid and put > in new ( > castrol)B last week. > > > > jg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fubog1 at aol.com > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:03:32 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / > Mazatlan > Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > you may have 2 separate issues, brake & suspension. > Could something in the suspension be causing excess bump-steer? > Possibly too much front brake bias, ie overworking fronts? I assume > you > have Girling 16 calipers? > HTH > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot > Sent: Tue, 19 May 2009 9:49 am > Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings FoT, > > > > B > > This past weekend the RMVR had itbs inaugural race at High Plains > Raceway. > > Over the course of three days I absolutely thrashed what started out > as > pristine > > front rotors. Day one I noticed the car was skittish under heavy > braking, then > > my brake pedal got soft. Several attempts to bleed them were made with > no > luck. > > During one of those attempts I notice my front tires were heavily worn > on the > > inside edge. I checked my front alignment and I went from my standard > 1/8b > toe > > out to 5/8b toe out. I must have upset the steering rack during my > last > engine change. > > I use a dual circuit tilton pedal, Porterfield vintage pads and Uncle > Jackbs > spindles, > > 2.5 degrees negative camber and two Spit clutch masters for both front > & rear > brake circuits. > > Is it possible that with the alignment so far out, an eccentric load > was put > on the rotors? > > Ibve run three races on these pads including an enduro with no > abnormal wear > issues. > > The pads nowB show signs of spider web cracking through out all four > pads. > > Has anyone else ever had this experience? > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Jim Gray > > RMVR # 102 > > > > PS This new track is fantastic, if any of you get the chance to come > out and > race with us > > you won't regret it. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue May 19 09:51:48 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> Message-ID: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Michael, The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them prior to this past weekend. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Porter" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: Micheal, I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get the brakes to bleed and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of fresh fluid through over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & right calipers.B Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused some damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new masters, did you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 deg. F.B If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the fluid goes way down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. Something to consider, anyway. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:21:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It's always possible to get a bubble somewhere that just won't let go. Motorcycle brakes are infamous for this because of the small system volume, and we had very complex methods for bleeding. One of the reasons I like speed bleeders so much. You can pump fluid through so fast that there's a much lower likelihood of a trapped bubble. But if you want to do it right, bleed from the top down, bleeding at every connection under strong pedal pressure. It's messy, but it works. You almost always gets some farting from the bubbles of the upper connections. I wouldn't discount the bedding issue either. On higher performance race cars it becomes really obvious when brake pads haven't been properly bedded--they go away very quickly and/or develop hot spots that make the material fail, usually crazing and hardening the surface but in extreme cases making the pad crumble. Follow the manufacturers recommended process exactly, and afterwards pull your pads and look for high spots. You need to transfer material from the pad to the rotor and you need the pad to be flat on the rotor face. High spots are hot spots. I see people all the time with pads that are obviously not working. But I rarely say anything because no one wants to hear that they need to toss them and do the bedding right. You CAN sometimes reuse a pad that''s been tapered or has hot spots. I use a method I copped from Kas--a cupped grinding wheel in a drill press with a dead flat surface (an old piece of inconel plate from a nuke plant that I've hauled around for thirty years) to slide the pad on. Grind till it's flat. Wear a respirator. Then rebedd it. If your manufacturer doesn't give a recco, here's the standard approach: Get on the track, accelerate to a good speed, press the brake gently and slow to nearly a stop. drive a little more without using the brakes and let things cool a bit, get going fast and then brake HARD to nearly a stop. Cool again, brake hard to nearly a stop. Repeat about five times, cooling in between. Return to the pits, pull the pads and look at them. If you have high spots (isolated, shiny spots with no wear around them) your pads aren't flat or your calipers aren't pressing evenly. If they got really hot then your seals aren't drawing the pads away from the rotor or you have too much residual pressure. Don't assume you don't have residual pressure. The weird little Triumph brake line junction is a residual pressure device, and many master cylinders come with a residual pressure device installed. The calipers are supposed to withdraw the pads from the rotors with the elastic stickiness of the seal lips. Worn or hard seals, corroded pistons, or bowed calipers compromise this. Girling calipers suck, by the way. For as heavy as they are, they don't have a lot of rigidity. A Wilwood ultralight is ten times better, give you brakes that can stop on a dime and give you nine cents change, but we can't use them. Sure are nice though. On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Michael, > > > > The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them > prior to this > past weekend. > > jg From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:23:36 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7B2FF1AF-362F-4930-AB9C-1670478381E3@bnj.com> Incidentally, no way that alignment caused the problem unless your spindles are set up improperly. Even then it would just knock back your pads and give you more brake pedal travel. On May 19, 2009, at 8:51 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Michael, > > > > The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them > prior to this > past weekend. > > jg > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Porter" > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / > Mazatlan > Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > > toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Micheal, > > I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still > can't get > the brakes to bleed > > and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two > quarts of > fresh fluid through > > over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > > All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to > the left & > right calipers.B > Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No > matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused > some > damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new > masters, did > you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master > cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 > deg. F.B > If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the > fluid goes way > down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. > > > Something to consider, anyway. > > > > Cheers. > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 10:27:19 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BTW In-Reply-To: References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Did I mention that Peyote really rocked this weekend? I mean really...rocked. What a car. When I close my eyes I can still see turn two sliding by with Cameron sawing away on the Pooper with his inside front wheel ten inches in the air trying to stay in front. From billb at bnj.com Tue May 19 11:57:39 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BTW In-Reply-To: References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7615FE56-0C5C-4E5D-B036-972C59A68E62@bnj.com> It really DOES look a little too nice, but Peyote has a way of gathering patina quickly. There's already lots of rock bumps in the fenders. The nose got kind of peppered too--Cameron gave me a gravel shower in Big Indy. On May 19, 2009, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > You were looking pretty good from where I was standing, Bill... The > only commentary came from one of my colleges who missed the lumps > and bumps... thought the car looked "too nice"... `Guess there's no > pleasing everyone. > > Greg > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > From: billb at bnj.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:19 -0700 > > Subject: [Fot] BTW > > > > Did I mention that Peyote really rocked this weekend? I mean > > really...rocked. > > > > What a car. > > > > When I close my eyes I can still see turn two sliding by with > Cameron > > sawing away on the Pooper with his inside front wheel ten inches in > > the air trying to stay in front. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 19 12:55:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fw: News Triumph TR6 Message-ID: If someone can help Rob, please contact Rob Squire at rssquire at aol.com Thanks Racer Bud..spitfire#21 I need a little help from the group. Recently a friend of mine lost his son and now is trying to value his '74 TR6. It's a clean car with about 100K, good interior, new top, master cyl, batt and batt box. It runs very well, doesn't use oil, is straight and tidy. ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=MayExcfoo ter51609NO62) From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 19:18:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Road America brief report and video / pic links In-Reply-To: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> References: <20090518164635.27BF4187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090520011827.97F3D187645@autox.team.net> I was wrong - John Frederici DID finish Sunday's race, his problem was the tranny popping out of 3rd. He held it in gear as necessary. (Been there, done that!) - Tony At 11:46 AM 5/18/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >Just got finished unloading from last weekend at Road America, >running with SVRA. Weather was a bit on the cool side, Sunday was >gorgeous. Car is running great, ran a 2:52 in the first session, >couldn't equal that until the final race. Had fun in the qualifying >sessions, but had a frustrating qualifying race Sat afternoon. Kept >getting held up in the twisty bits and then passed on the >straights. Dropped from 6th to 10th. Was run off the track by a >TVR between the kink and the carousel on the last lap - had a run on >him but had to cool my jets. > >Sunday we were gridded by finishing order Saturday, so I was >prepared for more frustration. However, I had an excellent race - >ended up moving back up to 7th. Held off the TVR with some minor >blocking (hey, what comes around goes around), passed Jeff Johnk in >his fast yellow healey, but a Morgan flew by. Had some great dicing >with 356's, came out all grins although a bit oil covered from the >silver one... Got down to a low 2:51 in the race. Car is running >as well as ever, and my Larry cam lets me turn those time while >shifting at 6 grand. I think the track's grip has gone down some >from a couple years ago where I had the magical race that got me >into the 49's. Maybe the Toyos I was running then had a bit more >grip than the current Speedsters too... > >Light turnout for this event, hope that's not a portend of things to come. > >Anyway, I posted the ~ 25 minute minorly edited video to Picasa here >(fewer titles this time, Chris): >http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 >Photos from the event here: >http://picasaweb.google.com/tony.drews.88/RoadAmericaMay2009?feat=email#5337192401664799986 >There are several shots of Bill Dentinger getting awarded a giant >bottle of wine for his yeoman's service as treasurer of VSDCA. > >Bob Wismer's car ran flawlessly all weekend, Bill had an odd problem >where his car wouldn't move that kept him out of Sunday's race, but >then he was later able to drive it to the trailer. The only other >Triumph was John Frederici, he had tranny problems and didn't make >the Sunday race. > >- Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 19 19:24:48 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? In-Reply-To: <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Just because the calipers are rebuilt doesn't mean they retract the pad slightly like they need to. Jack's were newly assembled, newly rebuilt using new pieces, and they didn't retract properly so got too hot and faded. If you have a lining that doesn't fade, it will just get really hot and boil the brake fluid giving you a long pedal. However, I THINK that the pedal gets better when things cool down. - Tony Drews At 10:51 AM 5/19/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >Michael, > > > >The masters and calipers are rebuilt with only two races on them prior to this >past weekend. > >jg > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Porter" >To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:30:37 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / >Mazatlan >Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > >toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > > > > >Micheal, > >I suspect the alignment caused the rotor & pad damage but I still can't get >the brakes to bleed > >and get the pedal back where it wants to be. I pushed almost two quarts of >fresh fluid through > >over the weekend. I'm going to get new Wilwood masters to start with. > >All I haveB in the front circuit is the line splitter that runs to the left & >right calipers.B >Must have misread--thought you said you got a good pedal later.B No >matter--if the system was really, really hot, that could have caused some >damage to the rubbers in the system.B Before you invest in new masters, did >you install new caliper piston seals and new rubbers in the master >cylinders?B Most nitrile rubbers can handle temps up to about 500 deg. F.B >If you boiled the fluid really good, the heat transfer into the fluid goes way >down, and the calipers would get really, really hot. > > >Something to consider, anyway. > > > >Cheers. >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Tue May 19 19:56:07 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:56:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com><2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The pedal may get a bit better, but it's all relative. I've lost brake cooling from things like an abraded duct hose and you can almost quantify the temperature rise by the greater volume of burnt, bubbly fluid that comes out of the effected corner when you're bleeding with a clear hose. The toastier it has been, the more pumps it takes to clear things up. The bubbles (and the long pedal) will be worse with lower temp fluids or fluid that has been in the system for very long and taken up moisture. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Cc: "fot" Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Alighnment killed my TR4 rotors? > Just because the calipers are rebuilt doesn't mean they retract the pad > slightly like they need to. Jack's were newly assembled, newly rebuilt > using new pieces, and they didn't retract properly so got too hot and > faded. If you have a lining that doesn't fade, it will just get really > hot and boil the brake fluid giving you a long pedal. However, I THINK > that the pedal gets better when things cool down. > > - Tony Drews From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed May 20 08:12:51 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels Message-ID: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 20 08:15:20 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3 - 6 close ratio gear sets. Message-ID: <4A141078.3080604@bright.net> Several list members had inquired about these sets. They are now available. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 08:36:14 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: <31462FDE-05EA-46BF-A4D4-BE056CF531CC@bnj.com> I measure them with a little pressure, and then put the head on and snug it down to something like full torque, pull it off and then measure again. The gasket and the seating surfaces may not be perfect. It's a good idea to see if stuff moved. It's not a dead horse given the nature of the head gaskets we have available. On May 20, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority > of you on > this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim > for when > setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner > clearance. Do > you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight > pressure or no > pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for > Rose Cup in > June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 20 09:10:02 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> One thing I did when putting in new sleeves last summer was to get a 12 inch extension bit for a 1/4 inch drill and mount a wire brush on the end to get down to the sleeve seat and wire brush it to get it really clean. Then wiped it clean with lacquer thinner. Didn't have appreciable difference measuring with sleeves clamped in place and just setting in place. Did have a heck of a time to get a good measurement. Tried flat, ground bar across sleeve and measuring with feeler gauge between bar and top of block, depth micrometer from sleeve to top of block and lastly, sweeping a dial indicator from top of sleeve to top of block with base of indicator on best part of block I could find. Still had about 0.004 on manifold side of block and about 0.006 on distributor side of block after averaging (sort or) all the readings. This was with the stock figure 8 gaskets that came with the sleeves from Ken Gilanders at BFE. After a lot of discussion with Jack Drews, put it together that way with a Payen head gasket and have had no problem in two race weekends and one school day (6 sessions). We're running about 11.1 to 1 compression. FWIW Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark Pendergrass Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:13 AM To: friends of triumph Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed May 20 09:36:58 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:36:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels Message-ID: From cofrog at q.com Wed May 20 09:36:46 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] My Final Shot Message-ID: I ruined a 205-60-15 Hoosier Speedster last weekend. The other three are about half worn. I went fishing (without bait) earlier this week to the list hunting for a good used tire to replace the trashed one. I have used all the suggestions I received to find one without success and am trying this final time to see if I can score a good used speedster. Or does anyone need three of these (LOL). Thanks, Dan Forgey From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 09:54:30 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Final Shot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where are you located Dan? I might have one kicking around. On May 20, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Dan Forgey wrote: > I ruined a 205-60-15 Hoosier Speedster last weekend. The other > three are > about half worn. I went fishing (without bait) earlier this week > to the list > hunting for a good used tire to replace the trashed one. > > > > I have used all the suggestions I received to find one without > success and am > trying this final time to see if I can score a good used speedster. > Or does > anyone need three of these (LOL). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan Forgey > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 20 10:28:23 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query Message-ID: Hi, I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never overheated and boiled over. At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the crank and it turned freely... So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 feet by yourself). Last night, the starter button worked okay. Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when hot but otherwise works okay? I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 10:38:17 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Wed May 20 10:47:12 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 20 10:54:43 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2153B976-638C-4430-A904-054C89CEF24F@bnj.com> <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen a problem with that solution. The stranded wire I've seen is made of fine braided wires and with the sharp angle the wire makes the fine wires break eventually losing the connection. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:47 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 20 11:11:43 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> <000001c9d95d$0eba8320$2c2f8960$@com> Message-ID: <7A27F85BBD29416A9775B629BB7E04EE@jdnet.deere.com> > Still had about 0.004 on manifold side of block and > about 0.006 on distributor side of block after averaging (sort or) all the > readings. IMO, some of the cylinder blocks are simply cut wrong. My street 3A has a block from a 56 TR3 that is even worse than that; about .001" on one side and .004" to .005" on the other. I went through a BUNCH of headgaskets before thinking to check both sides! Decking the block didn't appear to be a viable option, since the pistons were already kissing the head with a shim steel head gasket. So I added some copper wire to a stock head gasket to put extra pressure on the liner tops. Never had another head gasket leak, even with the high compression head. -- Randall From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Wed May 20 13:44:25 2009 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1893671017.10495471242848665714.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bob, I make a loop in the wire to keep from making that sharp bend.B The length has to be long enough that the solder does not penetrate the length of the stranded wire - if it does then you just added more solid wire.B Check that the stranded wire is still flexible after soldering and all is good.B Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kramer" To: rkrantz77 at comcast.net, "Bill Babcock" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:54:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [Fot] Starter Query I've seen a problem with that solution. The stranded wire I've seen is made of fine braided wires and with the sharp angle the wire makes the fine wires break eventually losing the connection. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rkrantz77 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:47 AM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the solenoid area of the starter.B B I put in a short length of stranded 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. Ron Krantz ReK Racing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is B separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm B not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better B off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to B repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. On May 20, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I have a hi-torque starter on my TR6. Last SAT, I ran the cam in. B > The motor got a bit hot owing to the electric fan being wired B > backwards and there was a bit of air in the system, but it never B > overheated and boiled over. > > At any rate, after I ran the cam in, I shut the car off for about 10 B > min. I then went to restart so I could drive the car back into the B > garage and the starter did NOTHING when I punched the button. B > Concerned that maybe the motor had locked up, I put a wrench on the B > crank and it turned freely... > > So, I wound up pushing the car back in the garage (it's amazing how B > hard it is to push 1975 pounds up-hill about 3 - 4 inches over 35 B > feet by yourself). > > Last night, the starter button worked okay. > > Assuming nothing else, has anyone seen a problem with the hi-torque B > starters (this one is 9 years old) where the unit does nothing when B > hot but otherwise works okay? > > I know this seems pretty basic, but I figured I'd ask. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B B B B B B B NER/SCCA B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 B B B B B B TR6 40 F Prepared B B B B B B B | B Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 B B B FAX: 617-258-9535 B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 20 13:59:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:59:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels In-Reply-To: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> References: <45AC3B6C7B614A8293B1C1CAE77DA799@Pendys> Message-ID: I slip in the sleeves by hand, no tools required. Then I install the head give about 80 percent of the toque on the head nuts. After that I measure the protrusion. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Pendergrass Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2009 16:13 An: friends of triumph Betreff: [Fot] setting sleeves/barrels FoTrs; I realize i am probably beating a dead horse to the majority of you on this subject, but what is the proper seating pressure one should aim for when setting the sleeves into the block to measure the deck to liner clearance. Do you let the sleeves set naturally on the figure 8s with slight pressure or no pressure or ???......Thank You in advance. Trying desperately for Rose Cup in June. Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) tr4 #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed May 20 17:18:38 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:18:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Starter Query In-Reply-To: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That's the guy. Bob, I suspect your starter would be fine for another nine years if you did this little fix. On May 20, 2009, at 9:47 AM, rkrantz77 at comcast.net wrote: > The problem is the solid wire from the windings out into the > solenoid area of the starter. I put in a short length of stranded > 16 gauge wire in the starters I sell to eliminate this problem. > Ron Krantz > ReK Racing > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Robert Lang" > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:38:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter Query > > Yup. Had the same problem. One of the wires has come adrift and is > separating when the motor is hot. Probably the stator wire, but I'm > not sure. You can take it apart and solder it, but you might be better > off sending it back to whoever made it for repair. If you do decide to > repair it yourself, use a high silver content solder and a good high- > wattage soldering gun. The softer 60/40 solder won't stand up as well. From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed May 20 22:24:09 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu May 21 05:07:27 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement References: Message-ID: <065601c9da04$54369f40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I think Uncle Jack was working on a conversion setup to use Miata seats, or something along those lines. Give Tony a shout and ask. Good luck, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement > Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat > replacement. > Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. > > Kev > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 21 05:36:55 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 06:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <320074380.284865.1242905815312.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu May 21 06:06:20 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:06:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <1220071862.286008.1242907580303.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> /MiJGbp: Permission denied From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 21 06:37:25 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401291C5F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> You could just buy Uncle Jack's TR6 with the Miata seats. ;-) Nice car! Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:24 PM To: RACER BUD; FOT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu May 21 07:00:31 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:00:31 GMT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Message-ID: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 21 07:04:12 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090521130538.1C581187667@autox.team.net> I have a few TR-6 / Miata seat bracket kits left. If this is really for a TR-4 as indicated in the subject line, apparently the holes in the floor on a TR-4 are in a different place than the TR-6 and the kit doesn't work nearly as well - the seats end up too far outboard. Regardless, the Miata seats are decent and look pretty fitting in a TR-4 or a TR-6, so that's a possibility. - Tony Drews At 11:24 PM 5/20/2009, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: >Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat >replacement. >Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. > >Kev >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Thu May 21 07:22:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> Have any of you guys done, any research on the Alpine Seat from the UK. It looks like a good one. I'd like to know more about it. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu May 21 07:40:56 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 08:40:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> <000c01c9da17$41bc9230$c535b690$@net> Message-ID: I did a Google search and found info about the Alpine Seat on this webpage but I also found some interesting Haynes manuals that they have for sale. Have a look. http://www.holden.co.uk/ Woman Haynes Manual By Dr. Ian Banks. The practical step-by-step guide to women's health, for men. 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Hardback, 160 pages, 64 in colour Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'Joe Boruch'; klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Have any of you guys done, any research on the Alpine Seat from the UK. It looks like a good one. I'd like to know more about it. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Boruch Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: klynch_6 at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not look like anything special was done to install them. Not sure how tall you are, but you will loose some leg room, since the TR6 seats are thicker and wider. I have considered putting TR4 seats back in since I am 6'3" and can use all the leg room I can get. Any one have a decent set? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "RACER BUD" , "FOT" Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:24:09 -0600 Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Start a Web Site! Hosting for only $3.95/mo. Free setup! http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1231/?u=http://www.freeservers.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu May 21 08:44:44 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20090521.090031.12596.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: > Kevin, I have TR6 seats in my TR4, but I did not install them. Greg Petrolati > did, so he could maybe provide details. From what I have seen it does not > look like anything special was done to install them. Gadfry! I've slept since then! I bought the seat frames from Mark Pelham and had to have them completely reupholstered. They were the early TR6 seats with the folding head rests. I really don't remember having any problems... except as mentioned, they did have me sitting higher in the car... high enough to need a smaller steering wheel so I could get under it. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 21 08:59:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:59:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090521145901358.MLAQ15274@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > Sex Haynes Manual I picked up a copy of that one, just as a joke. IMO that's about all it's good for. Randall From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 21 09:02:17 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 seat subject Message-ID: Thanks for all the helpful input & information! Kevin From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu May 21 19:15:51 2009 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01c9da7a$d961cb60$8c256220$@net> I have Pontiac Fiero seats in my TR3. I would not recommend them for a '3 but with the extra couple of inches of width available in a 4 or 6 and they should work fine. Ken Gano -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:24 PM To: RACER BUD; FOT Subject: [Fot] TRr4 seat replacement Given age & back problems , I'd like views & possibilities of a 69 TR6 seat replacement. Have a great Mem. weekend to you all. Kev From britbits at netzero.com Thu May 21 21:44:43 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question Message-ID: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a wheel at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of the wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" studs in the rear. Just curious about the rest of y'all. Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL849okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 21 21:59:56 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:59:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question In-Reply-To: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> References: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Message-ID: After loosing a wheel in West Bend at Lime Rock ( a very fast right hander with no run off) in my first serious outing and doing a very lovely pirouette about the left rear brake drum, I replaced all the studs on my Spit with some modified lug studs from a Chevy. I put out an offer to make them for other folks at the time and sold off a few sets. I still have the tooling for making them in fact. Saw it just last weekend when cleaning up around the lathe. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Jim wrote: > Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. > > On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" > wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? > > Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? > > And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? > > As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a > wheel > at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of > the > wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of > course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind > when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" > studs in the rear. > > Just curious about the rest of y'all. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL849okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 22 10:38:23 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question In-Reply-To: <006501c9da8f$b232ec30$705d3542@jrg> Message-ID: I'm running 1/2 inch studs. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Another Spitfire question Things got quiet.. Thought I'd toss another grapefruit. On the factory road cars the Spitfire and GT6 were blessed with the 3/8" wheelstuds. Did the race cars also use them? Was it not an issue with the non-sticky tires in the 60s and 70s? And.. What are the Spitfire racers using these days? As a conversation point, I got to watch my (future) autocrosser shed a wheel at an autocross 2 years before I bought it. The PO had replaced some of the wheel studs.. But kept using old factory lugnuts. The one I picked off of course that day was stripped out and rusted inside. I kept that in mind when he offered me the car in 1997. First thing I did was swap to 7/16" studs in the rear. Just curious about the rest of y'all. Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare prices and features on point of sale systems. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYRPTnC3O6pR5XD3SKOyLL84 9okwpgaVts8KuN0qyglL5RpmwEI56Q/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri May 22 17:04:59 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 18:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Solow's oil cooler adapter Message-ID: <000001c9db31$bc09a940$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone know which two fittings to use to make the oil cooler lines for Greg's adapter? I think it is one 90 and one 120 but I lost the notes I had taken while talking to him. Thanks, Greg From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 24 09:01:23 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 19:22:50 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR4 Racer on Ebay Message-ID: <525047.12007.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Is anyone out there familiar with a red vintage racer prepared TR4 recently offered on Ebay? The car is currently based in Huntingdon Beach, CA. Thanks RB From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 25 20:40:12 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> References: <558825482.10416191242838032069.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9F90692F952F4286BCC04F5DF28962F0@hp532n> Message-ID: <001601c9ddab$4c3d4640$e4b7d2c0$@com> Recently toured a restoration shop here in Wisconsin that has a 3-D scanner and a "printer" that creates a model of the part scanned. From that they can CNC mill the part. Have no idea of the cost. Probably not cheap but also not terribly expensive based on how quick they can do it. Pretty impressive! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:01 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From list at mackenzie.aero Mon May 25 20:50:12 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (list at mackenzie.aero) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 02:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle Message-ID: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can help me out. For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early 2008. When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be used to adjust track as required. Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual tapered shaft with keyway. Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline My question are: Has anybody else seen this set-up? Who made this? Where are the shafts from? Any help will be appreciated. Robert MacKenzie Austin, TX From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon May 25 23:48:54 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 00:48:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of early "competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've had in my Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years ago) have always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the hub from outside to inside. Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange that connects outer axle to inner axle. Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle >I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can > help me out. > > For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 > (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of > the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some > point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I > bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early > 2008. > > When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and > re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear > suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling > the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and > putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I > don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive > shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch > my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 > inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be > used to adjust track as required. > > Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I > discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting > off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s > another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] > > I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and > was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual > tapered shaft with keyway. > > Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline > > My question are: > > Has anybody else seen this set-up? > Who made this? > Where are the shafts from? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Robert MacKenzie > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue May 26 12:21:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:21:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: <4375E49F8AD8434C9428790442C2D19B@Bud> looks like you have a competition axle setup ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle >I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can > help me out. > > For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 > (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of > the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some > point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I > bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early > 2008. > > When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and > re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear > suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling > the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and > putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I > don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive > shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch > my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 > inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be > used to adjust track as required. > > Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I > discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting > off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s > another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] > > I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and > was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual > tapered shaft with keyway. > > Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline > > My question are: > > Has anybody else seen this set-up? > Who made this? > Where are the shafts from? > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Robert MacKenzie > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue May 26 12:46:53 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From d.hesse at charter.net Tue May 26 13:53:35 2009 From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 hours from Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: ============= Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerrybarr at charter.net Tue May 26 15:02:59 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> References: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> Message-ID: VSCDA race at Elkhart Lake September 11-13 On May 26, 2009, at 2:53 PM, wrote: > How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 > hours from > Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. > > > ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: > > ============= > Hi everyone! > > We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late > summer and > fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that > familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What > are > the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we > make one > or two more events this year (still too much else going on this > year!), > which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat > time, best > vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? > > We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, > but I > just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and > December. I > think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make > sure. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Jerry Barr jerrybarr at charter.net From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue May 26 16:33:57 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:33:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: I don't know how slow your tow vehicle is but you should be able to get to the Bluegrass track within a day. http://www.drivebluegrass.com/news/calendar.html September 25-27. is that close enough? BTW, How's your Donkey? Mike (stuck in Kentuck) http://www.triumphowners.com/135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) From adams910 at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:27:55 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <673993c50905261627i7e158804ufc323d8d667bfee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <673993c50905261627i7e158804ufc323d8d667bfee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673993c50905261627h4b55c32g69b86830e9ed6bef@mail.gmail.com> SVRA is at NJMP Oct. 1-4, it can probably be done in a day from Kentucky. It should be a really good Spitfire track. -Bob On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > SVRA is at NJMP Oct. 1-4, it can probably be done in a day from Kentucky. > It should be a really good Spitfire track. > > Bob > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> I don't know how slow your tow vehicle is but you should be able to get to >> the Bluegrass track within a day. >> http://www.drivebluegrass.com/news/calendar.html >> September 25-27. is that close enough? >> BTW, How's your Donkey? >> >> Mike (stuck in Kentuck) >> http://www.triumphowners.com/135 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:47 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and >> fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that >> familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are >> the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one >> or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), >> which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best >> vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? >> >> We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I >> just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I >> think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. >> >> Thanks for any assistance! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> >> Susan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 17:48:08 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy Message-ID: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. Unfortunately he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was referencing and have you had good experiences with his work? Best, Mark From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue May 26 18:09:05 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> At 07:48 PM 5/26/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in >California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. >Unfortunately he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was >referencing and have you had good experiences with his work? > >Best, > >Mark Yup, Rocker Arm Specialists. They did a great job on my lifters, ISTR $2.50 each. Dirt cheap. jim >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 18:33:56 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A1C8A74.2050500@twcny.rr.com> From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue May 26 18:34:35 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKA004FZ0FGQGY2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A1C8A9B.5080806@twcny.rr.com> Gotta love that - thanks! M From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue May 26 18:36:29 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:36:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <23123397.1243384589257.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here is a cool website and useful link to find out about all the race-tracks your area (and more). http://www.trackpedia.com ~Steve From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 26 18:49:54 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:49:54 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Message-ID: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main caps. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Cc: Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all around. Has anyone done this? Bob Kramer Austin, TX Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to install. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ From britbits at netzero.com Tue May 26 19:33:05 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> Message-ID: <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> Zippo Vintage Gran Prix at Watkins Glen ( http://www.theglen.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/US-Vintage-Grand-Prix.aspx ) September 11-13 Friday afternoon car show and race reenactment on original course (imagine big blocks punching onto main street ;) Then the action moves to the race track, with good infield camping. 8am wake up call by run groups. Everything from 998 Minis to the high dollar stuff will show up for the weekend. Some FOT'ers don't like all the armco. I'm sure there are a few who don't mind. Got to see Kas and crew there in the early 90s. Look for the firewood sellers along the road to the track. It will be in the 50s (or colder) in the morning. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of d.hesse at charter.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfiresuz at 141.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 hours from Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: ============= Hi everyone! We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late summer and fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that familiar with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the must-do events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two more events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which would be the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage presence, coolest track, etc.)? We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, but I just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and December. I think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make sure. Thanks for any assistance! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in surveys! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYROFvuyMzDljZg4FU3tNlL7r tUfwUwFMAWaQycca4jYDDTWWflM44/ From fogbro1 at comcast.net Tue May 26 20:07:34 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:07:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> Mark, He means Rocker Arm Specialist, Anderson, CA. You can find 'em with a Google search. I have not used them for lifter work. I've used Integral Cams, http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had a problem. His prices for a hardness check and a regrind have skyrocketed though. Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy > Rod Isky... told me of someone who correctly regrinds lifters in > California (Santa Ana?) which he suggests over new lifters. Unfortunately > he did not have details handy. Anyone know who he was referencing and have > you had good experiences with his work? > > Best, > > Mark From billb at bnj.com Tue May 26 20:35:12 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:35:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> References: <380-220095226184653852@M2W006.mail2web.com> <20090526155335.YZ2C3.246692.root@mp05> <000e01c9de6b$215f4b10$3a513542@jrg> Message-ID: <437FE0E6-BA2C-41C3-92D6-88E361533D75@bnj.com> Absolutely. I love the Glen, even if Peyote got belted there. Went back last year and had just as much fun. Great show and great racing. I could be wrong, but it seems like Watkins Glen is a bit further than a days drive to Kentucky. The VIR Gold Cup is a very cool event. Kind of a ho-hum track but the facilities are topnotch. I guess I shouldn't call it ho-hum, but there's some long straights and Peyote's not much for those, though it might be different with my new 3.5 rear end. Sure is nice not running out of revs. And first gear is now a usable gear. I've now got a useful four speed, though the ratios are a bit wide with the rear end multiplier. On May 26, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Jim wrote: > Zippo Vintage Gran Prix at Watkins Glen ( > http://www.theglen.com/Tickets-Events/Events/2009/US-Vintage-Grand-Prix.aspx > ) > > September 11-13 > > Friday afternoon car show and race reenactment on original course > (imagine > big blocks punching onto main street ;) > Then the action moves to the race track, with good infield camping. > 8am > wake up call by run groups. > > Everything from 998 Minis to the high dollar stuff will show up for > the > weekend. > > Some FOT'ers don't like all the armco. I'm sure there are a few who > don't > mind. Got to see Kas and crew there in the early 90s. > > Look for the firewood sellers along the road to the track. It will > be in > the 50s (or colder) in the morning. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of d.hesse at charter.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:54 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net; spitfiresuz at 141.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? > > How about the SVRA race at Road America in Sept. It's about 8-9 > hours from > Louisville. It's a beautiful track to race in the Fall. > > > ---- "spitfiresuz at 141.com" wrote: > > ============= > Hi everyone! > > We are trying to get the race schedule figured out for the late > summer and > fall since we are now in a new location (Kentucky) and are not that > familiar > with racing organizations and race events around here. What are the > must-do > events within about a day's drive of Kentucky? If we make one or two > more > events this year (still too much else going on this year!), which > would be > the best ones (most FOT in attendance, most seat time, best vintage > presence, coolest track, etc.)? > > We were told the VDCA Savannah event is a very good one to attend, > but I > just saw there were two listed on the VDCA site: September and > December. I > think the reference was to the December event, but wanted to make > sure. > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > Microsoft. > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Let your voice be heard! Click here and get paid to participate in > surveys! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYROFvuyMzDljZg4FU3tNlL7r > tUfwUwFMAWaQycca4jYDDTWWflM44/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 26 22:00:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... - Tony Drews At 07:49 PM 5/26/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: >I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's >to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England >that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not >need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main >caps. Joe(B) > >---------- Original Message ---------- >From: "Bob Kramer" >To: Undisclosed-recipients:; >Cc: >Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps >Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > >In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 >block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front >and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My >machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We >talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all >around. Has anyone done this? > >Bob Kramer >Austin, TX >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Tue May 26 22:31:32 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? > Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:00:40 -0500 > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but it > doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews > > At 07:49 PM 5/26/2009, Joe Boruch wrote: > >I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > >to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > >that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > >need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > >caps. Joe(B) > > > >---------- Original Message ---------- > >From: "Bob Kramer" > >To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > >Cc: > >Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > >Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > > >In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > >block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > >and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > >machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > >talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > >around. Has anyone done this? > > > >Bob Kramer > >Austin, TX > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 26 22:37:02 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:37:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From billb at bnj.com Tue May 26 23:12:51 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:12:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 26 23:16:02 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:16:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> To my knowledge, under racing setup, folks have had trouble getting head gaskets to seal with them. They don't need as much (or any?) milling to achieve higher compression ratios, but they have the reputation of warping and then causing head gasket failure. - Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 5/26/2009, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: >Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 26 23:57:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock form, revs to 9000 RPM and all from 1997 cc. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:13 PM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 27 00:19:44 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:19:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Ask Jon Ellison (UK) He was racing a white TR4 supposed to be at 220 hp and now is doing with a TR6. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6734978036873641557&hl=en Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony and Annie Garmey Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 06:32 An: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed May 27 00:23:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:23:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com> Message-ID: <3B5926EE884742EFAF37EE6716FFD22B@rocky> Oops -- typo on Duane's e-mail -- correct is dbailey_wmi at yahoo.com His business is West Michigan Imports --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle > Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of > early "competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've > had in my Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years > ago) have always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the > hub from outside to inside. > > Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange > that connects outer axle to inner axle. > > Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend > Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar > business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). > dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774. > > --Rocky Entriken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM > Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle > > >>I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can >> help me out. >> >> For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4 >> (FC921) that I autocross. Although I don?t have the full history of >> the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some >> point before being campaigned as an autocross car into the 80s. I >> bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early >> 2008. >> >> When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and >> re-installed them. One of the first projects was addressing the rear >> suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff. I recall pulling >> the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and >> putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I >> don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive >> shafts were anything out of the ordinary. One feature that did catch >> my eye is that the wheel studs. They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5 >> inches long. I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be >> used to adjust track as required. >> >> Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I >> discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear. [I ended up dusting >> off my street 1500 and having a great day of racing but that?s >> another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ] >> >> I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and >> was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual >> tapered shaft with keyway. >> >> Photo: http://tinyurl.com/spitspline >> >> My question are: >> >> Has anybody else seen this set-up? >> Who made this? >> Where are the shafts from? >> >> Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> Austin, TX >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 27 00:28:13 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <20090527051630.CC73B187882@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If you use an aluminum head you have to go with stretch bolts. Does mean the bolt has 0.8 x 1/2" diameter outside the threaded areas. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2009 07:16 An: Tony and Annie Garmey; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps To my knowledge, under racing setup, folks have had trouble getting head gaskets to seal with them. They don't need as much (or any?) milling to achieve higher compression ratios, but they have the reputation of warping and then causing head gasket failure. - Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 5/26/2009, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: >Anybody "played" with the alloy TR heads? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed May 27 01:50:22 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090527075022391.IWXA11639@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com> > The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock > form, Also, if I'm not mistaken, a cross-flow head, 4 valves per cylinder, dual overhead camshafts, and nearly hemispherical combustion chambers. Randall From billb at bnj.com Wed May 27 02:41:30 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:41:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> Counter rotating DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder VTEC intake and exhaust, mega-trick heads, direct ignition and multi-point fuel injection, carbon fiber reinforced liners. And ladder-type bearing supports. A lot more going on there than bearing count. On May 26, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The Honda S2000 engine has 5 mains, delivers 240 hp in stock form, > revs to > 9000 RPM and all from 1997 cc. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:13 PM > To: Tony Drews > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. > Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do > something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can > already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a > lot better flow. > > A good flowing head, now that's interesting. From gwizracing at cfu.net Wed May 27 05:40:44 2009 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking at a 1972 Tr6 this afternoon. Message-ID: <4A1D26BC.2090301@cfu.net> I am going to look at a TR6 this afternoon. It was recently on e-bay, but did not meet it's reserve. I was wondering if current TR6 owners from the FOT could give me a heads up on what to look for as typical problem areas! I've had a TR4 in the past but have no experience with a TR6. Thanks, Gary Wiezorek Former Red VSCDA TR4 #96 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 05:53:30 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> <0A29CE1F-DBC7-4CE4-B477-FDB3CED34766@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > Counter rotating DOHC, 4 valve per cylinder VTEC intake and exhaust, > mega-trick heads, direct ignition and multi-point fuel injection, carbon > fiber reinforced liners. And ladder-type bearing supports. A lot more going > on there than bearing count. And, I might add - that motor is pretty well maxed out. I know a few years ago a few autocrossers were trying to work on the motor to run in SCCA Street Prepared class and they had very little luck getting more power using class-legal mods. I didn't follow the thread after about two years ago, but we don't see too many Honda powered mod cars at the national level. Kool motor, but Honda took the fun out of building for "some" of us. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 05:58:40 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float Message-ID: Hi, I'm doing my "last" nut/bolt check before running my car for the first time this season and I noticed that I have a bit of bearing play in my rear axles which are the Gp44 / Wingett corvair conversion. I know squat about the hubs, but is there a way to set the end-float? I'll probably run the car, but I need to convince tech that the setup is really "okay" before they give me an annual tech sticker. Any pointers would be appreciated. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 27 06:14:35 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: Not 8K? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:13 AM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Five main engines have a lot more friction than three mains do. Probably wouldn't make more horsepower unless you were able to do something magical as a result, which I doubt. With a good crank we can already reach 7K. I doubt you see anything happen above that without a lot better flow. A good flowing head, now that's interesting. On May 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We've taken to "strapping" the center main. Not sure it helps but > it doesn't cost much to do. Have the top (bottom?) of the main cap > machined off flat with the bolt seating surface, then buy longer ARP > cap bolts and a Ford 400 front main strap. Drill out the holes in > the strap to fit the bolts and bob's your uncle. > > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. That and good flowing cross flow heads and > we'd have some POWER baby! Saw a MGA with an alumimum cross flow > head at Road America a week or so ago. He was faster than me... > > - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed May 27 07:22:33 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:22:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> Not much point. No ponies up there. On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Not 8K? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 27 08:19:02 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:19:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> This wouldn't be that difficult to do. We already have cranks available with the extra bearing surfaces. Just bolt or weld in a couple of extra webs. Believe it or not, this was a common era modification to Model T motors. Larry Young Tony Drews wrote: > If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's > something to aspire too. > > - Tony Drews From cartravel at pobox.com Wed May 27 08:27:21 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy In-Reply-To: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> References: <4A1C7FB8.3060300@twcny.rr.com> <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer> Message-ID: <4A1D4DC9.8040405@pobox.com> Rimco (rimcovw.com) does lifter reconditioning and are located in Santa Ana, CA. I spoke to Steve at Integral last week about their lifter resurfacing. He told me that more than half the cost (time) is in the micropolishing they do. Is this worth the extra cost? Larry Young Ed Woods wrote: > Mark, > > I've used Integral Cams, http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had > a problem. His prices for a hardness check and a regrind have > skyrocketed though. > > Ed Woods From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed May 27 09:04:51 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Limerock's Fall Vintage festival is fun. Labor day weekend, repaved track, nice turn out of cars. Do this event and head to the Glen for the next weekend, spend the week between at the Finger Lakes wineries. June 15th is the cutoff date for entries. Contact info Jeanette Veitenheimer Vintage Festival Lime Rock Park Vintagefestival at limerock.com There is nothing like the perfect late-summer afternoons that the Northwest corner of Connecticut produced, and with a breath-taking collection of cars that take to the track, there is no better way to spend Labor Day weekend. Fans discover the glamour, glory and style of historic and vintage sports cars as they claim focus of the event both on track, in the open paddock and during the prestigious Sunday in the Park Automotive Extravaganza. Sunday in the Park has evolved from what was essentially considered a local car show 27 years ago into a Car Show and Concours extravaganza devoted to automotive beauty, history and diversity. The Park will be engulfed with interesting vintage and historic sports cars, classics, customs and hot rods, woodies, trucks, racing cars, and motorcycles. There will also be marque car club groupings including Morgan, celebrating their 100th anniversary, Porsche, BMW, Corvette and Aston Martin. This is a must see event, and if you would like to show your car, please e-mail vintagefestival at limerock.com for more information. Mike Harmuth From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 27 09:18:12 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 2009, George Harmuth wrote: > Limerock's Fall Vintage festival is fun. Labor day weekend, repaved track, > nice turn out of cars. Do this event and head to the Glen for the next > weekend, spend the week between at the Finger Lakes wineries. Do they really let plebian cars like Triumphs play that at the Lime Rock Vintage Festival??? This is a serious question. I thought the answer was no, but I could be wrong. > June 15th is the cutoff date for entries. > Contact info > > Jeanette Veitenheimer > Vintage Festival > Lime Rock Park > Vintagefestival at limerock.com regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed May 27 09:51:27 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <2D3A2EAC-4874-4FE2-AB64-EB8C0964324E@bnj.com> <4AB0A315-C300-4D63-BCB1-3B27DE0A3BC5@bnj.com> Message-ID: Ken Gilanders has mentioned that they are running into the 8's. I get power up to about 7400 with the BFE 24 and at those rpms I have to watch my downshifts. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:23 AM To: Kramer, Robert Cc: Tony Drews; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Not much point. No ponies up there. On May 27, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > Not 8K? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed May 27 10:12:30 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:12:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Message-ID: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> Wow - thanks for all the responses about good events! There were lots to choose from. Based on our schedule and vacation time, it looks like we will shoot for the following: Sept. 11-13 VSCDA Elkhart Lake event - Road America Sept. 25-27 HSR event - Bluegrass Motorsports Park (can't pass up a race event on my birthday weekend less than two hours from home!) Dec. 11-13 VDCA event - Roebling Road Raceway I have a question about eligibility in to HSR -- we'll see how that goes. We hope to see lots of FOTers at those events! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 10:39:42 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? In-Reply-To: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> References: <380-220095327161230810@M2W014.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <277972.83640.qm@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is also Vintage au Grattan at Grattan, MI August 14-16. It is also a VSCDA event. ________________________________ From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Must-do events this late summer/fall? Wow - thanks for all the responses about good events! There were lots to choose from. Based on our schedule and vacation time, it looks like we will shoot for the following: Sept. 11-13 VSCDA Elkhart Lake event - Road America Sept. 25-27 HSR event - Bluegrass Motorsports Park (can't pass up a race event on my birthday weekend less than two hours from home!) Dec. 11-13 VDCA event - Roebling Road Raceway I have a question about eligibility in to HSR -- we'll see how that goes. We hope to see lots of FOTers at those events! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gwizracing at cfu.net Wed May 27 10:56:11 2009 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks (Looking at a TR6 today) Message-ID: <4A1D70AB.3000106@cfu.net> I appreciate all the responses and good tips sent to me regarding the TR6. Thanks, Gary Wiezorek Old TR4 #96 From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 27 12:36:13 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:36:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> Message-ID: More bearings, more friction as Bill stated, and you will lose power and not gain much in the reliability area. To what point? If you want to spend some time on that engine, work on the weak point of the engine, the head and the ports. But, even without more bearings and valves etc it still makes nice engine power for something that was invented about the time of Caesar. I worked on this for a while but could not see an possible way that I would ever get the investment back or even close. Mordy Duns has worked out a way to give you less power and two more bearings I believe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Tony Drews" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > This wouldn't be that difficult to do. We already have cranks available > with the extra bearing surfaces. Just bolt or weld in a couple of extra > webs. Believe it or not, this was a common era modification to Model T > motors. > Larry Young > > Tony Drews wrote: >> If we could figure out how to make it a 5 main motor, now THERE's >> something to aspire too. >> - Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed May 27 17:28:27 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:28:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I never considered end float. I just get them close. I would say that if you notice it loose on the ground (the way they check them at a solo) you could tighten them one flat. Just don't get them too tight. I have only had problems from them being too tight. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Corvair Hub End-Float Hi, I'm doing my "last" nut/bolt check before running my car for the first time this season and I noticed that I have a bit of bearing play in my rear axles which are the Gp44 / Wingett corvair conversion. I know squat about the hubs, but is there a way to set the end-float? I'll probably run the car, but I need to convince tech that the setup is really "okay" before they give me an annual tech sticker. Any pointers would be appreciated. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.41/2136 - Release Date: 05/26/09 20:20:00 From adams910 at gmail.com Wed May 27 18:37:35 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps In-Reply-To: <673993c50905271725x78183e06g5ec268bb94aece58@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> <673993c50905271725x78183e06g5ec268bb94aece58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <673993c50905271737x79c41dedm2f5ffe0a0b25ad05@mail.gmail.com> > Some of the top MGB guys are claiming 7800-8000rpm from both the 3 main and > the 5 main bearing motors. These motors are putting out 185-200bhp (dyno > dependent) on twin 1 3/4 SU's. > > Bob A From rblake36 at yahoo.com Thu May 28 10:36:07 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (rblake36 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Flu Message-ID: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My son Greg recently completed his TR3 vintage racer and began qualification for his compettion license. I have been infected by this highly contagious virus. Recently found a vintage race prepared TR4 on ebay (link below) and would appreciate input from the FOT community about this vehicle. Thanks R Blake http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW X:IT&item=150346074606 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 28 10:52:43 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:52:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Flu In-Reply-To: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <142717.18649.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car has something nice behind the oil sump. Something that catches oil? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von rblake36 at yahoo.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 18:36 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] TR4 Flu My son Greg recently completed his TR3 vintage racer and began qualification for his compettion license. I have been infected by this highly contagious virus. Recently found a vintage race prepared TR4 on ebay (link below) and would appreciate input from the FOT community about this vehicle. Thanks R Blake http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MED W X:IT&item=150346074606 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu May 28 14:56:35 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Motorhead 101 - End of the road for University Motors MG Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Feibusch To: Rick Fiebusch Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Motorhead 101 - End of the road for University Motors MG submitted by MG owner Don Scott of Calistoga, CA...... End of the road Date: May 28, 2009 4:03 PM http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/ Sad, Best, Rick From budscars at comcast.net Thu May 28 17:55:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 4 New trunk monkeys! Message-ID: this is REALLY FUNNY..and a Triumph ..of sorts! ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig To: Craig Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: 4 New trunk monkeys! Caution if viewing at work - laughter is a dead giveaway you're goofing off. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv] From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 28 20:04:23 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? Message-ID: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. tia jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 28 08:56:16 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 07:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps/engineering secrets References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><20090527040113.AB6AB187E24@autox.team.net> <4A1D4BD6.3050505@pobox.com> Message-ID: <006101c9dfa4$74d77e40$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91> Kas: You are giving away secrets of a wannabe engineer. Mordy M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC Triple R Munitions, Inc. 626.358.1616 ph 626.628.3777 fx GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Larry Young" ; "Tony Drews" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > . Mordy Dunst has worked out a way to give you less power and two more > bearings I believe. From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 29 11:35:20 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> 71 g J.C. Hassall wrote: > Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per > Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got > some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like > they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not > look or feel like they've been lightened. > > tia > > jim > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Fri May 29 18:42:42 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] DCTRA Newsletter Message-ID: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> I just published the new issue of the DCTRA Newletter last night. I'm sure the FOT will enjoy the photo on page 14 ;) http://www.dctra.org/News/Jun2009.pdf From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri May 29 18:51:14 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] DCTRA Newsletter In-Reply-To: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> References: <20090530004315.D866B18A763@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Couple small dents and a bent bumper but still a nice looking car. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 29, 2009, at 6:42 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I just published the new issue of the DCTRA Newletter last night. > > I'm sure the FOT will enjoy the photo on page 14 ;) > > http://www.dctra.org/News/Jun2009.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sat May 30 06:46:04 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sat May 30 12:58:38 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bartlett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ X4u6t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Sat May 30 11:59:58 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:59:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Is it really quiet? Message-ID: <8CBAF6794C1EADF-F9C-230C@webmail-mh38.sysops.aol.com> Is it really this quiet or have I been banned :) ? From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat May 30 12:13:03 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:13:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: Hey, Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? I get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust he was innocent as well. If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go after it. Anybody know what it is? Steve, who's not sending the stuff... **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 12:24:13 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (MSCC News) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: It took me several years racing to figure out I needed professional help. Building race engines I mean. I built a lot of street engines that lasted forever but proved I couldn't keep a high-CR race engine screwed together. Head gasket issues mostly, both TRs and Minis. There's the old saw about experience being the best teacher because it's the most expensive. The pros deserve whatever I pay them. Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bartlett" To: "Chuck Arnold" ; "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 30 12:39:33 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Build my own but mine are just autox engines. Marty > From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com > To: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:58:38 -0500 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I > built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second > build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. > > An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build > it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. > > Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Bartlett > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Chuck Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along > with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the > TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not > look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum > sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of > the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch > wrote: > > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for > TR3/4's > > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in > England > > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they > should > not > > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with > main > > caps. Joe(B) > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: "Bob Kramer" > > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > > Cc: > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue > a TR4 > > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the > front > > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear > cap. > My > > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. > We > > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps > all > > around. Has anyone done this? > > > > Bob Kramer > > Austin, TX > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and > easy to > > install. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ > X4u6t > > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From kaskas at cox.net Sat May 30 13:31:18 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:31:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> Every pro builder out there started as a do-it-yourselfer. Detail is the problem with most. Patience and detail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: "'Bill Bartlett'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? >I build my own, although it might be a false economy in my case. I > built the first one in February and I am in the middle of my second > build now. I hope to get more than one race out of this one. > > An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build > it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build. > > Not that I would every shop it out, I enjoy it too much. > > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Bartlett > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM > To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Chuck Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM > To: Joe Boruch > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > > Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along > with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the > TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not > look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum > sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of > the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch > wrote: >> I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for > TR3/4's >> to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in > England >> that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they > should > not >> need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with > main >> caps. Joe(B) >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Bob Kramer" >> To: Undisclosed-recipients:; >> Cc: >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 >> >> In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue > a TR4 >> block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the > front >> and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear > cap. > My >> machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. > We >> talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps > all >> around. Has anyone done this? >> >> Bob Kramer >> Austin, TX >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and > easy to >> install. >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQ > X4u6t >> UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 30 13:55:32 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? References: Message-ID: <8A1E2469A6CB4C339923443B0366AF8D@rocky> I've gotten spam "from" myself! I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well tell from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > Hey, > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > I > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > he was > innocent as well. > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > MaystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat May 30 13:38:35 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:38:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> Message-ID: <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >71 g Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. >J.C. Hassall wrote: >>Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per >>Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just >>got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel >>like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and >>definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. >> >>tia >> >>jim >> >>-- >>J.C. Hassall >>Blacksburg VA >>'63 TR4 in autox preparation >>96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat May 30 14:11:27 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 16:11:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: So you're saying it's an internal thing? Odd that. Nonetheless, I'm relieved to hear that. I wouldn't want you all to think I'm touting Cealis or somesuch;-)) In a message dated 5/30/2009 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: I've gotten spam "from" myself! I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well tell from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > Hey, > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > I > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > he was > innocent as well. > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > MaystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= MaystepsfooterNO62) From dave at microworks.net Sat May 30 14:26:07 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090530202646.C1B8818B1A8@autox.team.net> No. It is not an "internal" thing - meaning that you are sending to yourself. Rather as I indicated in that email to you off-list two hours ago... ------------------- As a Web/email host provider what we generally see this being is one of two probable causes. 1. Someone that you know (of who has your email address in their Outlook address book) is infected and the rouge piece of software is reading the Outlook address book to sends it's crap out. It will send to all the addresses that it finds and will pretend to be sending from those same addresses. or 2. Someone is sending out that mail pretending to be you. If you want forward one to me and I'll see if the message headers can give a clue as to which probably sources you are seeing. ------------------- At 01:11 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >So you're saying it's an internal thing? Odd that. Nonetheless, I'm >relieved to hear that. I wouldn't want you all to think I'm >touting Cealis or >somesuch;-)) > > >In a message dated 5/30/2009 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >rocky at spitfire4.com writes: > >I've gotten spam "from" myself! > >I also get them from addresses that forward to me (such as >pointskeeper at midiv.org) from which it is impossible for me to send. > >Your address is being spoofed. This is why the old line about "trusted >addresses that you know" is no longer valid. As a result I never open an >attachment to a message that has no text. I have, on occasion, sent a >message back saying "did you send me an attachment? if so send it again >because it was deleted here" while explaining why bald attachments are not >good things to send. I organize my inbox by subject and can pretty well >tell >from any message's subject whether it's real or spam. As I'm scanning my >inbox, the cursor hovers over the Delete icon. > >--Rocky > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:13 PM >Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? > > > > Hey, > > Do you guys occasionally get weird spams with my address as the sender? > > I > > get them and am fairly sure I didn't send them. There was a racer in > > NorCal a while back that would occasionally send a weird spam. I trust > > he was > > innocent as well. > > > > If this is a virus it's a fairly subtle one, not enough nuisance to go > > after it. Anybody know what it is? > > > > Steve, who's not sending the stuff... > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > > easy > > steps! > > >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > > MaystepsfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > >**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy >steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= >MaystepsfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat May 30 14:59:28 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090530205929728.GJSC15569@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 15:17:33 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: <124568.58414.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> True, and Good advice .... My problem with the blocking is that I am now corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, so I cannot conveniently block those addresses ... oh well :>((( ... I just dont open attachments unless there is a note along with them from the sender, and it makes some sense to me. I have also written back and asked if something was sent by the person I know... usually it is (always in my case), but it never hurts to check. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:59 PM > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat May 30 15:20:54 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? Message-ID: <985525.32891.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. The advice below is true, and Good advice .... My problem with the blocking is that I am now corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, so I cannot conveniently block those addresses ... The harder part is leaning the russian language and keyboard ... anyone here want to help me with learning russian????? oh well :>((( ... I just dont open attachments unless there is a note along with them from the sender, and it makes some sense to me. I have also written back and asked if something was sent by the person I know... usually it is (always in my case), but it never hurts to check. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 3:59 PM > Anybody know what it is? Just to echo what others have said; it's most likely some other machine sending spam with your return address. There is effective nothing in the email system that ensures that the "return" address means anything at all once the message has left the first mail server; and many mail servers do not check either. That other machine may or may not be infected with a virus, but there is little you can do about it sending the spam. There are ways to block receiving it; but the only consistently effective method I have found is to determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all traffic from that range of IP addresses. I used to see messages with my return address; but not since I started blocking most of Russia, Turkistan, etc. What I do still see occasionally is 'bounce' messages, meaning that the receiving address does not exist and a message was sent to it with my return address. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 30 16:02:17 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? References: <20090530205929728.GJSC15569@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <5FD5756BA9054EA8AAFB3BF0CAF68306@rocky> This has screwed me up in the past, when my ISP was transmitting through his own domain name, another of his clients was (purportedly) sending spam, so since my messages were in the same IP address range they were getting blocked. This practice doesn't block one address, but dozens at a time including the innocent. People I was legitimately corresponding with -- many of them business communications -- could not receive me and in some cases could not send to me. My ISP fixed it by starting to relay his clients through AT&T which was big enough nobody puts up a spam blocker on *that* IP address range. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weird spam messages? but the only consistently effective method I have found is to > determine what range of IP addresses the spammer is using, and block all > traffic from that range of IP addresses. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 30 18:57:07 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:57:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A21D5E3.9040708@bradakis.com> This topic reminds me that I've been meaning to write up some stuff about how Team.Net works, the reasons for various things and such. Maybe if I don't spend all night watching Iron Chef episodes on Youtube I can make some progress on it. But right now I have some ribs on the grill for tonight's dinner, and some pizza dough to make later for tomorrow's dinner. mjb. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 30 22:12:08 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter hardness. My new lifters weigh in at 68g My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and successful race motor weighed 52g. ~STEVE On May 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >> 71 g > > Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. > > >> J.C. Hassall wrote: >>> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some >>> per Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I >>> just got some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which >>> feel like they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and >>> definitely do not look or feel like they've been lightened. >>> >>> tia >>> >>> jim >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. Hassall >>> Blacksburg VA >>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>> 96% finished, 90% to go >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat May 30 22:39:46 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <2FA2612B-7235-4998-93D1-F6AA8AE989E1@earthlink.net> I've been working on a TR3-4 engine this weekend, I've been chipping away at the build for a long time. I take 3 steps forward, then 1 step back but I'm making progress. This is my spare motor and I thought it would be cool to have it all ready to go in the garage so when the time comes, I just pop it in. Unfortunately, It doesn't have all the same trick parts as my current motor so when I do put it in, I can count on less power as it contains a milder cam. Also P to W clearance is about maxed out. The thing is, I still plan on improving my lap times because I'm still learning the car and the tracks. This spare motor has a simple tray that gets sandwiched between the sump and a couple of sump gaskets and permatex black. I was torquing all the sump bolts down evenly until one decided to break off in the block. Now, I get to take the sump off again and attempt to extract the stupid broken bolt. Of course I don't like flipping the fresh engine over on the stand and creating tiny pieces of metal that can easily fall in and stick to the assembly lube on the crank. I made a piece of cardboard that fits over the bottom of the block that I can tape down to keep out any fragments of the bolt. I can't believe it broke, I was really tightening everything up carefully and it went from tight to rubber real fast. I bought an 11" degree wheel from Summit and it really helps with accuracy when the wheel is big and easy to read. It's fun assembling the engine but I don't expect it to be fun extracting a broken bolt from the block. ~Steve From cwn74 at aol.com Sun May 31 08:07:04 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR In-Reply-To: <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> References: <4A12D09D.8040407@dfn.com> <2080080297.7271831242748308876.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090520012953.48C1B187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <012601c9e1f9$139d6c00$3ad84400$@com> I only see one Triumph at the SVRA event June 5-7 at VIR I thought there would be many! I'll be there (crewing for a MGTD though!). Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sun May 31 09:15:31 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:15:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR Message-ID: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> /LT1iXc: Permission denied From cwn74 at aol.com Sun May 31 09:33:45 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA at VIR In-Reply-To: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> References: <707061538.1197684.1243782931581.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <012e01c9e205$2fd91700$8f8b4500$@com> My quick scan of the entry list was obviously too quick! Hi Dean! It will be great to see you again (since VTR in Richmond), this time racing! Ibll be with #928 MGTD (my college buddy driving), this is a big MG event (and Morgan). Search Frank Filangeri on youtube for some incar at Watkins Glen and NHMS. Ibm amazed at how fast those clunky-looking cars go! Should be a fun weekend (except the tow from/to Long Island)! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun May 31 10:18:49 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:18:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZS carbs running rich Message-ID: <000401c9e20b$7ba81360$b1191718@computer> My fairly recently rebuilt ZS carbs on my '74 TR6 are running rich (tailpipe has black soot). There is a gas smell in the engine compartment too. The gas smell seems to be coming from one of the carbs. Does this sound like the float level is too high in this carb? There are no outright gas leaks. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 31 10:37:45 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ZS carbs running rich In-Reply-To: <000401c9e20b$7ba81360$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <20090531163745043.RRNV24124@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> > My fairly recently rebuilt ZS carbs on my '74 TR6 are running > rich (tailpipe has black soot). There is a gas smell in the > engine compartment too. The gas smell seems to be coming > from one of the carbs. Does this sound like the float level > is too high in this carb? Sounds to me more like the float valve is not sealing completely. Could be crud in the valve, defective valve, broken gasket where they screw in, fuel pressure too high, etc. But check the level too. Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 31 11:49:07 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:49:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1> <13F8C183504B4A2DB961D2FA2A2C225A@KasPC> Message-ID: <4A22C313.108@pobox.com> I agree completely. That is why I build my own engines, transmissions, rear ends, ......... Kas Kastner wrote: > Every pro builder out there started as a do-it-yourselfer. Detail is > the problem with most. Patience and detail. From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun May 31 11:51:13 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com><0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2C9A2CB4804B42D8A1DEBD129EEB1AF5@ComputerPC> I installed a new set of BP Northwest lifters with an Isky TR555 regrind in June 2007. #6 lifter and cam lobe are ruined and #3 was on the way. I am done with new lifters! I am having old lifters reground this time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? >I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new >engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their >hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance >with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter >hardness. > > My new lifters weigh in at 68g > My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g > My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and > successful race motor weighed 52g. > > ~STEVE > > > On May 30, 2009, at 12:38 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > >> At 01:35 PM 5/29/2009, Larry Young wrote: >>> 71 g >> >> Tnx Larry. So I guess these were "lightened". Hmmph. >> >> >>> J.C. Hassall wrote: >>>> Anybody know the weight of a stock TR4 lifter? I modified some per >>>> Kas' instructions, which brought the weight down to 54.3g. I just got >>>> some "lightened" ones with the drain hole from BPNW which feel like >>>> they're made from DU; they tip the scales at 69g and definitely do not >>>> look or feel like they've been lightened. >>>> >>>> tia >>>> >>>> jim >>>> >>>> -- >>>> J.C. Hassall >>>> Blacksburg VA >>>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>>> 96% finished, 90% to go >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 31 12:03:47 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com> <0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> Early last year uncle jack did a lot of research on lifter hardness (check the archives). He found the BPNW lifters consistently tested about 57 Rc. The only problem with them is that someone in India or Pakistan, or wherever they are made decided to put a rather large chamfer on the edge. This cuts down the effect diameter by about 0.040. If your cam requires a full sized lifter, don't use them without removing the chamfer. Larry Steven Belfer wrote: > I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my > new engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states > their hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking > a chance with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on > lifter hardness. > > My new lifters weigh in at 68g > My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g > My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and > successful race motor weighed 52g. > > ~STEVE From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun May 31 13:30:20 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? In-Reply-To: <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> References: <0KKD00CKUV3G53K1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><4A201CD8.5010502@pobox.com><0KKH00BTM2KMCAK1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <4A22C683.2070807@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3B2FD8A5FB844BA49326A79CE8C2FD6F@ComputerPC> I asked the guy at BPNW (the son) when I bought my lifters from him - how many do you test? He said they buy them in batches of 1000 and test 3. I bought them anyway because of good reports from listers. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "Steven Belfer" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 stock lifter weight? > Early last year uncle jack did a lot of research on lifter hardness (check > the archives). He found the BPNW lifters consistently tested about 57 Rc. > The only problem with them is that someone in India or Pakistan, or > wherever they are made decided to put a rather large chamfer on the edge. > This cuts down the effect diameter by about 0.040. If your cam requires a > full sized lifter, don't use them without removing the chamfer. > Larry > > Steven Belfer wrote: >> I too have a new set of BP Northwest lifters that are going into my new >> engine build. We shall see what happens. Their website states their >> hardness specs and since this is a mild race engine, I'm taking a chance >> with them. Obviously, there are tons of searchable posts on lifter >> hardness. >> >> My new lifters weigh in at 68g >> My stock lifter that handled 20 races weighed 72g >> My race-prepped stock lifter that came out of another well used and >> successful race motor weighed 52g. >> >> ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun May 31 17:26:25 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:26:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). If I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby. But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. I put together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. Of course, Kas's books are invaluable! I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too. But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. No knock to them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff to make sense, I think. - Tony Drews Quoting Bill Bartlett : > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun May 31 17:46:11 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> I've rebuilt our engine, first doing the head, summer of 2006, after the original was found to be cracked, then the bottom end, winter of 2007, when I found the bearings needed replacing and the crank ground, and then the sleeves and pistons when we overheated and cracked two of the liners, summer of 2008. I have been accused of being a perfectionist, but in the case of engines I think this a good thing. Being a graduate engineer, I also have a very keen sense of attention to detail. I've always gotten the right gauges to measure and check things and have 3 Snap-On torque wrenches which I use to torque just about everything (which sometimes drives my partner, son Ryan, a little crazy). I've also made quite a few special tools to do the job right using the lathe and milling machine I have. (I did control engineering in the machine tool industry for over 40 years, you learn quite a bit on how to use the machine tools when you have to design and develop the controls to make them work.) Without the help I got from Jack and Tony Drews I'm sure I would have had problems but the engine runs strong and we have 2 schools and 3 races on it so far. Still running strong. Have learned a lot in the process. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bartlett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 7:46 AM To: Chuck Arnold; Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Curiosity Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them professionally built and prepped? Bill B -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:37 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps Daryll at Racetorations in England makes a set of bearing caps,along with a new front sealing piece and a steel rearbearing carrier for the TR6. Probably has the same kinda stuff for the TR4,I just did not look. I bought the TR6 stuff along with hismuch stiffer aluminum sump. Those items,plus the ATI fluid damper should help cure some of the 6's crankshaft woes [I hope]. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I have heard rumors of racers making reinforced center main caps for TR3/4's > to reduce flex. I think I saw a car advertised a few years ago in England > that purported to have one. The others are beefy enough that they should not > need reinforcement. I too have a block or two that did not come with main > caps. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Bob Kramer" > To: Undisclosed-recipients:; > Cc: > Subject: [Fot] TR4 main bearing caps > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:01:23 -0500 > > In my never ending quest to never toss anything I am trying to rescue a TR4 > block that I got without main bearing caps. I have spare caps for the front > and center caps that are close enough for line honing but not a rear cap. My > machinist suggested that I could get a cap modeled and CNC'd to fit. We > talked about whether there would be anything gained from billet caps all > around. Has anyone done this? > > Bob Kramer > Austin, TX > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ____________________________________________________________ > Garage overflowing? Click for steel buildings that are durable and easy to > install. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxXsqaGxM7YwvW8PoSsQX4u6 t > UoeUpsdtM9nOvqmP5Pg546fygCTBG/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Sun May 31 20:39:56 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> HI Gang - thanks Tony Here are the updated tabular results from both the MG and Triumph gang. Please keep in mind this is purely curiosity. I actually have my engines professionally built and am thankful for the results. Particularly on the A. A friend of mine started doing his engines and as so many said: It adds to the enjoyment for him, and saves on the pocket book if you have the time and inclination. So here goes: MGVR Racer Built 4 Pro Built 3 FOT Racer Built 13 Pro Built 3 Partial assembly or some times 2 I think the MGVR gang were hard at it in the garages this weekend getting ready for the Gold Cup. I am still at it - just taking a break before I button the A back up. So perhaps we will get some more responses a bit latter. Good luck to every one this season Bill Bartlett MGA Coupe 348 GT6 # unknown (Hopeful Fall Launch) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:26 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). If I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby. But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. I put together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. Of course, Kas's books are invaluable! I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too. But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. No knock to them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff to make sense, I think. - Tony Drews Quoting Bill Bartlett : > Curiosity > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them > professionally built and prepped? > Bill B Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sun May 31 21:14:54 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:14:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com> <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> <001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> Message-ID: <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO [build my own]. Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot on too. Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a perfectionist it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On the other hand about the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the head because it's necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient. My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's where the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it right the first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and what I expect of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other year tear-down has worked. Each of three times now I've been able to find concerns before they became problems. One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a hole thru the cover or worse. Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.- I'm cheap but DO want to get it right. The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or inferior material I'll never know, but it was caught in time. On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A friend of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has been sending his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two seasons now and is now ready to go for every four races! If you can afford that, go for it. I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are on the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of patience and attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's not your thing, don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always have at least a bit more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having said that I will do as best I can to avoid The Big One. As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the BMO are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to the others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From kaskas at cox.net Sun May 31 22:26:23 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? In-Reply-To: <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com> <343A17B1-F652-4257-92DB-6A2B887A8D4E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <036084C1825F400AA6E090017523BD13@KasPC> For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth. Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" ; "Bill Bartlett" Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? > Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO [build > my own]. Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot on too. > Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a perfectionist > it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On the other hand about > the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the head because it's > necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient. > My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's where > the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it right the > first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and what I expect > of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other year tear-down has > worked. Each of three times now I've been able to find concerns before > they became problems. > One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was > getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a hole > thru the cover or worse. > Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see > astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.- I'm > cheap but DO want to get it right. > The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or inferior > material I'll never know, but it was caught in time. > On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A friend > of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has been sending > his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two seasons now and is > now ready to go for every four races! If you can afford that, go for it. > I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are on > the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of patience and > attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's not your thing, > don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always have at least a bit > more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having said that I will do as > best I can to avoid The Big One. > As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the BMO > are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to the > others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sun May 31 22:59:38 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Its the end of the world as we know it Message-ID: <65f1eaba0905312159k38e78644v70b7ec5d0375ae7c@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Just a note from out here on the West Coast that you might want to stock up on water and dry food since the seventh sign of the apocalypse has just reared its ugly head. Last weekend we competed in our second 24 Hours of LeMons held at Reno-Fernley Raceway in our TR7. Despite having been purchased for $500 and with little (or no) work done to the car, it succeeded in finishing (again) the entire race with little difficulty. We finished 36th out of some 170 cars (we would have been in the top 20 but for a couple of crappy pit stops) and competed against several 944s, Mazda RX-7s, Miatas, BMWs and Alfas. The little Brit Shitbox just refused to die and was able to actually pass some much faster cars due to selective passing (tight corners with a downhill portion following) and strong doses of driver courage. A lot of vintage racers compete in Lemons, but do so in modern machinery (BMW, Honda, etc.). It felt good to do it in a Triumph. Some of you may recall that we led last year's race up until the middle of the second day so we are pleased with our performance to date. The old girl will race again in the California Lemons race in August with Chuck Gee, John Frymark, Alan Mizutani and Mike Bruner at the wheel. I encourage all of you to take a crack at a Lemons race near you since the spectacle is beyond your wildest imagination and its something to see some 200 cars on the track at the same time. Sleep well tonight knowing that the car that killed Triumph managed to atone (in part) for its dismal history and competed on equal footing against more modern and faster machinery. -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 31 23:39:49 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weird spam messages? In-Reply-To: <5FD5756BA9054EA8AAFB3BF0CAF68306@rocky> Message-ID: <20090601053948269.GXOI24335@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> > This has screwed me up in the past, when my ISP was > transmitting through his own domain name, another of his > clients was (purportedly) sending spam, so since my messages > were in the same IP address range they were getting blocked. Well, I left out some details. Basically, any responsible ISP should be willing to take action against their customers who are spammers. But some ISPs are "spam havens" and will not take action. If they had an abuse address registered, I usually reported the spam the first time, and only blocked them for a second offense. Also, since they were my filters (as opposed to my ISP), I could collect the spam and occasionally sift through it for possibly important messages. But I'll agree that no system is perfect. Randall