From Group44TR7 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 07:35:06 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:35:06 EST Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event Message-ID: Good Morning Having hope for someone to put together a Group 44 Reunion for years, it is ironically taking place at a date when I am heavily conflicted with other business/sports activities, have left my racing license expire, and least comfortable with the expenses for commercially transporting the cars to and from Atlanta. If anyone knows of a West Coast base racing shop that might have room in their trailers, please let me know. Cary **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 1 08:41:38 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cary I sure hope something comes your way. It would certainly be a sight to have all the Group 44 Wedges in one place. I'll buy a poster... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Group44TR7 at aol.com Sent: March 1, 2009 9:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event Good Morning Having hope for someone to put together a Group 44 Reunion for years, it is ironically taking place at a date when I am heavily conflicted with other business/sports activities, have left my racing license expire, and least comfortable with the expenses for commercially transporting the cars to and from Atlanta. If anyone knows of a West Coast base racing shop that might have room in their trailers, please let me know. Cary **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 10:52:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:52:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Race / HP Parts Message-ID: spitfire racing stuff on San francisco bay area craigs list Racer Bud http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/1054529677.html From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 1 16:29:59 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion Message-ID: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> Bill had his son (Billy) create a web site for his TR Transmission Conversion. Lot's of pictures and details http://www.eaglegatellc.com From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 00:43:13 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713498.17759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> B I have a set of four old Carroll Shelby Minilite imitation rims that have the following dimensions on my modified TR-6 autocross car. B 15b diameter by 8.5b wide with 3.7b setback B I purchased these rims from British Frame and Engine many moons ago. B Until the end of last season I was running Hoosier 225/45ZR15 A6 auto-X tires with no rubbing.B This year I have mounted up a set of 275/35ZR15 Hoosier A6 tyres and still have no interference problems. B -Jim Prettyleaf B B --- On Fri, 2/27/09, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 To: "FOT" , "Triumph List" Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:26 PM Has anybody run a set of 15 x 8 wheels on their big TR? If so what offset worked for you? Thanks, Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 02:14:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:14:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion In-Reply-To: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> References: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: How cruel to cut off the bell housing of a TR gearbox. Why not creating a new bell housing? The casting shouldn't cost much. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von David W. Riddle Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mdrz 2009 00:30 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion Bill had his son (Billy) create a web site for his TR Transmission Conversion. Lot's of pictures and details From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 2 11:14:01 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material Message-ID: Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other interior trim pieces? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 2 11:18:00 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] head porting Message-ID: <022d01c99b63$39925a10$f2c11a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> Bill Boemler machined the large diameter at the face so that he could press in a piece of pipe whose inner dia matched the small side. Results: constant dia port at the face. He was an SCCA national driver and got tore down on occasion. an inspector saw the fix and when he questioned Bill on it, Bill said he was experiencing gasket failures there and the pipe fixed it. The inspector bit and Bill did not get gigged. art de armond From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 2 12:23:17 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material References: Message-ID: <9C8E6C79481A464DA5B5557541B26C52@Charly> Moss sells them. 644-540 $32.95 GLOVEBOX, LH Note: 1 644-550 $32.95 GLOVEBOX, RH Note: ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other > interior trim pieces? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 13:00:20 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Glove Box Door Message-ID: <151611.61098.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ........and speaking of glove boxes. Does anyone have a steel glove box door with hinges, latch, and or thumb pull for a steel dash TR4. I am using a TR4 dash in my current racecar project. Thanks Dennis DeLap From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Mar 3 16:01:17 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (RDM) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:01:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> I thought everybody might enjoy this: http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in Austin, TX Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. Robert MacKenzie '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 14:34:42 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:34:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Always the same - the TR 6 always must do a show ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von RDM Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mdrz 2009 00:01 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Hillclimb Video I thought everybody might enjoy this: http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in Austin, TX Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. Robert MacKenzie '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 2 14:39:39 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hillclimb Video Message-ID: **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:04 EST Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video To: list at mackenzie.aero MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 03/02/2009 3:01:52 PM Central Standard Time, list at mackenzie.aero writes: > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > 1908? Must be TRIUMPH bicycles. Bill (Damdinger) PS...I have one...a TRIUMPH bicycle. ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 14:58:54 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: You guys make my day with these cool movies...I watch them at 5pm in california, with a nice glass of wine...volume waaay up..and I even find myself letting out loud wooohoos! thanks for sending them! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Mar 2 15:16:56 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:16:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material References: Message-ID: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> I remade one for my street '64 Spitfire out of sheet metal. Aluminum, actually -- I forget what thickness but thick enough it holds its shape well under mild stress. Holds up better, looks nicer. Used the beat-up cardboard for a template. Did the whole thing on my workbench with a ball-peen hammer and a pair of tin snips. Bends are very basic -- a 2 x 4 worked fine as a bending press. Even folded over the front edge to avoid the possibility of a sharp edge. Attached it in the car with pop-rivets. Of course, I just wanted a useable glovebox. Wasn't doing a concours restoration. '64 Spit didn't have a door, it's just an open tray. Painted it the car color. Looked good. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other > interior trim pieces? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Mar 2 15:20:50 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:20:50 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for me ...... great stuff ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 2 15:28:19 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:28:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: That looks very much like the crazy hillclimbs we had back in the 50's. Good stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: "RDM" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 15:44:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:44:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Women in Motor Sports: Message-ID: <89DF867123A04D1CA911CC6FA853F762@Bud> here's a link for the ladies out there in FOT Land...you can add yourselves to the list Racer bud Spitfire #21 http://caradvice.askpatty.com/women_in_motor_sports/2006/05/index.html From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Mar 2 16:17:14 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What 240Z? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4Tony Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for me ...... great stuff ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Mar 2 16:20:15 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:20:15 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> The cream and black one with the puffy wheel arches and the tailslides ..... Or did you get drowned out by the TB like the TR6 driver ...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:46:21 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: Boy..I REALLY can't wait to watch the hillclimb now! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:49:06 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Message-ID: <1550212284.547571236041346141.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for the tr from Top end performance for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial interest, just thought I'd pass along a good deal. Jim G. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 18:09:39 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:09:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03939E79F38D44C3827FCAD3F0B67970@TOSHIBALAPTOP> A truly amazing video. Prior to seeing this, I thought the only hills in Texas were overpasses. :) I also like how the TR7 driver dropped top midway during his run. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:46 PM To: Don Marshall; 'TR4Tony'; 'RDM'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Boy..I REALLY can't wait to watch the hillclimb now! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Mar 2 19:08:50 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:08:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: <49AC9132.5030007@verizon.net> The Brunette or the gal with the camera! The Barracuda reminded me of my first car, a 65 Mustang with home bashed flares and a sheet metal spoiler. Oh, and the RX3! Uncorked Mazdas are why I am half deaf. Cheers, Kurt O. TR4Tony wrote: > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11860 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11870 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 19:43:15 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:43:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> References: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> Message-ID: <000001c99ba9$cdefc170$69cf4450$@net> What Tr6 I'm still working on the Brunette Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4Tony Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:20 PM To: Don Marshall; 'RDM'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video The cream and black one with the puffy wheel arches and the tailslides ..... Or did you get drowned out by the TB like the TR6 driver ...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:49:17 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:49:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Cool. That TR6 driver and I have the same driving style:) Marty > From: list at mackenzie.aero > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:01:17 -0800 > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn s!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From britbits at netzero.com Mon Mar 2 20:37:42 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:37:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz In-Reply-To: <1550212284.547571236041346141.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: If you know the ARP part number, you can order from Summit Racing even if it's not in their normal catalog. So far they've been the cheapest for ARP. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for the tr from Top end performance for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial interest, just thought I'd pass along a good deal. Jim G. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Anti-Aging Look 10 years younger in 10 minutes. Free anti-aging report. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAn9DJBXJJCXRF35Of0AdcWbknEu9EN2l0ZIUsmFsqT3amRvu21tAU/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 2 21:39:10 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BF37AA0-90EC-4898-9E48-6D013203D2E8@earthlink.net> Call ARP and see what they charge. I got my set directly from ARP for less $$ than any other supplier. I did, however, pay for tax and shipping. ~Steve On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Jim wrote: > If you know the ARP part number, you can order from Summit Racing > even if > it's not in their normal catalog. So far they've been the cheapest > for ARP. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz > > Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for > the tr > from Top end performance > > for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial > interest, just > thought I'd > > pass along a good deal. > > Jim G. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Anti-Aging > Look 10 years younger in 10 minutes. Free anti-aging report. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAn9DJBXJJCXRF35Of0AdcWbknEu9EN2l0ZIUsmFsqT3amRvu21tAU/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 00:18:37 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:18:37 EST Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Message-ID: Same here. I just call them and tell them what I need, answer a few questions and out comes the order. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 65616 **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 3 02:31:38 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:31:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft Message-ID: Amici Had reason to pull out the drive shaft of my TR6 and had forgotten have heavy the dam thing is . Has any one come up with a light weight but reliable drive shaft . I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Anyone go ideas Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 3 03:58:11 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Gearbox case Message-ID: <49AD0D43.80000@cfl.rr.com> Searching for TR gearbox case. Broken or cracked is fine as long as the bellhousing is good. thxx, Bob From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Mar 3 11:00:08 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:00:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Eco-Bra Message-ID: OK, this is only marginally Triumph-related, but it is kinda funny: http://in.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idINT29336420080514 Cheers, John From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 3 12:44:30 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:44:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a few hundred miles. Randall From bownes at seiri.com Tue Mar 3 13:19:14 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might not be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long time since I was under a Camaro. iii On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: > > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . > > Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and > differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the > frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not > designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. > > But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a > few hundred miles. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 3 13:39:04 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> The first time you need to pull the tranny and that sliding spline is not there, you will wish it was. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Randall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might > not > be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long > time since I was under a Camaro. > > iii > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: > >> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >> > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . >> >> Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and >> differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention >> the >> frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not >> designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. >> >> But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last >> a >> few hundred miles. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 13:44:23 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:44:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8CB6A57F8296BE4-12D8-A75@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Randall > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a few hundred miles. ==AM== I was thinking the same thing...but then I remembered that most Heralds had a big, heavy, SOLID propeller shaft.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 3 16:27:21 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:27:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Randall wrote: >> I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >> pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . > > Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and > differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the > frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not > designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. > > But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a > few hundred miles. No, you're spot on. You want/need u-joints or CV joints at both end of the driveshaft. Aluminum is good if you want to reduce rotatating mass which helps acceleration in 1st gear and diminishing as you move up in speed. > Randall rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 3 16:44:38 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:44:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing DeMotivational" Posters Message-ID: <20090303234530.4BA2F187671@autox.team.net> http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/physics.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/child%20seats.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/fertilize.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/specpinata.jpg From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Mar 3 18:04:33 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:04:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 3 20:37:09 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Message-ID: It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: RDM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 19:45:45 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:45:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float lids for HS6 Message-ID: <000901c99c73$57799e10$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone have a useable set of float lids they want to part with? Contact me off list. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 20:01:37 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:01:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c99c75$8bca7de0$6401a8c0@blake1> I did not catch this the first time I watched it, but that was held in what is now my neighborhood. The Dam you see at about the 3/4 mark when the camera goes off the road, is Mansfield Dam. There was a bridge built just below the Dam in the early 90s that connected North Austin to South Austin out near Lake Travis. This spurred the development of the area where this hill climb took place. I wish I could still drive like that through my neighborhood, we have some really cool roads. The one in the video looks like Brass Button. If you look at Google maps, you will see ranch road 620 that goes over Lake Austin. That is the bridge that was not in the video. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'Larry Young'; 'RDM' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: RDM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 18:55:19 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:55:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS sale Message-ID: <20090304015608.86EE9187661@autox.team.net> Pegasus ( www.pegasusautoracing.com ) has the HANS "Sport Series" in both 20 degree and 30 degree (I got a 30 degree one) with "free" sliding tethers for $645 (marked down from $710). FYI. - Tony Drews From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Mar 3 19:37:33 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Message-ID: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 20:11:54 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:11:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. - Tony Drews At 08:37 PM 3/3/2009, J.C. Hassall wrote: >Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard >composite head gasket? > >TIA > >jim > >-- >J.C. Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Mar 3 20:16:33 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Tony Drews wrote: > 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. > On the workbench? How about under torque? :) Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 20:28:39 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:28:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Message-ID: <20090304032925.1988018766E@autox.team.net> It's a used one that has been mashed already. My measurements were between 0.050 and 0.045. I don't think they spring back much after being torqued to 100+... - Tony At 09:16 PM 3/3/2009, Michael Porter wrote: >Tony Drews wrote: >>0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. > >On the workbench? How about under torque? :) > >Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 21:04:56 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Message-ID: <56EF1730196B4222838827A32DDFFCD5@DadsComputer> That wasn't me, but I did have a red TR6, with red painted wheels and a roll bar, but I didn't paint it red until around 1988. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "RDM" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? > > RDM wrote: >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 21:06:15 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:06:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: Bucky is still around. One of our local club members used to go to him for repairs on his TR8. He was a guru of sorts but had moved on to fixing more modern cars. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Larry Young'" ; "'RDM'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > To: RDM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? > > RDM wrote: >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 3 21:35:40 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:35:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000101c99c82$acdc73a0$06955ae0$@com> I measured about 0.050 on the ones I removed after taking the head off. It seems I've seen that number before, either from Uncle Jack or in one of Kas's books. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:24:04 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Hillclimbing is alive and well here in Pennsylvania, and as the Chairman of?the Pagoda ?and Duryea Hillclimbs in Reading, PA, I want to extend a personal invitation to all FOT members to come and take part in our events.? Pagoda will be?the last weekend in June, and Duryea will be the third weekend in August.? The full PHA schedule is available at www.pahillclimbs.org? We have a fair number of vintage cars at our events and we always have fun. You can find some pretty good in-car video on you tube and elsewhere on the web.? Just do a search?for "Duryea Hillclimb video" Rich Rock From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:57:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:57:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Message-ID: In a message dated 03/04/2009 10:29:49 AM Central Standard Time, rikrock at aol.com writes: > Hillclimbing is alive and well here in Pennsylvania, and as the Chairman > of?the Pagoda ?and Duryea Hillclimbs in Reading, PA, I want to extend a > personal invitation to all FOT members to come and take part in our events.? Pagoda > will be?the last weekend in June, and Duryea will be the third weekend in > August.? The full PHA schedule is available at www.pahillclimbs.org? We have a > fair number of vintage cars at our events and we always have fun. > Some of the VSCDA's earliest events involved Wisconsin hillclimbs at Lake Geneva and Janesville in the early 1980s. The ones held at Janesville were actually recreations of events held in the 1950s. In those early days of sports car racing racers from all over would stop at Janesville to run a hill climb event on their way to race at ROAD AMERICA. The Janesville event was a perfect venue and lots of fun to run. Held in a public park, they quickly became popular "free" public spectator events. Eventually VSCDA had to cease running them because crowd control became a serious issue. I can recall several runs to the top, where I was shocked to find people crossing the road I was racing up. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From VANDECARR at aol.com Wed Mar 4 10:55:48 2009 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:55:48 EST Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft Message-ID: An aluminum driveshaft is a good idea but I don't think it's a good idea to have it fixed length. If you have solid engine and diff mounts and no flexing of the frame it would work if your alignment is perfect. Otherwise you are putting lots of stress on the driveshaft and the possible binding will negate any performance increases. They situation might be different if you used CV joints not U joints. I had Inland driveshafts (www.iedls.com/driveshafts .html) make an aluminum driveshaft for my TR6 V8 conversion. They did a great job and the price was reasonable. It's a fixed length driveshaft but the T5 trans uses a splined yoke. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 4 11:06:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:06:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: 1,3mm Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mdrz 2009 03:38 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Mar 4 13:22:31 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:22:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Message-ID: <49AEE307.9040009@pobox.com> A couple of years ago, I spent a whole day trying to measure this under torque (retired engineer with too much time). I first measured the distance of piston to the deck. I then used the old idea of clay on top of the piston to determine piston to head clearance. I discovered that clay is a bit springy and found that plastigage works better. I determined 0.050" is a pretty good number, but I would put a plus or minus 0.002. This was for the standard Payen composite gasket. Larry Young Michael Porter wrote: > Tony Drews wrote: >> 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. >> > > On the workbench? How about under torque? :) > > Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. > > > Cheers. From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 4 14:12:14 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:12:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> The correct Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association?website address?is www.pahillclimb.org? Sorry for the mistake. Rich Rock From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 4 14:17:48 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:17:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR Parts for Sale Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CE616@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> The following ad has been running for the last few months in the for-sale section of the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing it along for general interest's sake. I have no more information and NFI. Scott B. For Sale: TR 4, TR 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4A's have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $3,000 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-9137. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 16:25:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:25:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 CRANK NEEDED Message-ID: <993B8829EAA64C1092C12EE3B104EF6D@Bud> Hi gang....Tr4 crank needed by Dodge Riedy ..located at Infineon raceway.... please contact Dodge at riedysracing at yahoo.com Thanks Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 20:13:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:13:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bruschetta Message-ID: Hi Susan..et al.Was the Bruschetta made in Italy?(I have lost your original FOT email) Thanks Racer Bud From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Mar 4 20:57:44 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:57:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material In-Reply-To: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> References: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> Message-ID: <8CB6B5DAC5825E0-17C8-1A47@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> These are readily available for the '80 1500 Spitfire.? Check on line with the any of the Triumph Parts Suppliers. Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Entriken To: fot at autox.team.net; George Harmuth Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Glove Box material I remade one for my street '64 Spitfire out of sheet metal. Aluminum, actually -- I forget what thickness but thick enough it holds its shape well under mild stress. Holds up better, looks nicer.? ? Used the beat-up cardboard for a template. Did the whole thing on my workbench with a ball-peen hammer and a pair of tin snips. Bends are very basic -- a 2 x 4 worked fine as a bending press. Even folded over the front edge to avoid the possibility of a sharp edge. Attached it in the car with pop-rivets.? ? Of course, I just wanted a useable glovebox. Wasn't doing a concours restoration. '64 Spit didn't have a door, it's just an open tray. Painted it the car color. Looked good.? ? --Rocky Entriken? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" ? To: ? Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:14 PM? Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material? ? > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does? > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How? > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other? > interior trim pieces?? >? > thanks? > mike? >? > G. Michael Harmuth? > Software Engineer? > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services? > _______________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? >? > http://www.fot-racing.com? >? > Fot mailing list? > Fot at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 5 09:17:37 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:17:37 EST Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Blanking Plates Available for TR3 / TR4 Message-ID: FOT List, If you dont want/need a fuel pump blanking plate, delete now. I was making a .250 thick aluminum blanking plate for the AMBRO Engine and decided to make several. If anyone wants one, throw $11 each at my PayPal account and I will send out. Or contact me. Uses stock gasket.....CNC Laser Blanked Thanks. PayPal: N197TR4 at CS.COM Joe A From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Fri Mar 6 03:17:04 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:17:04 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> Message-ID: <21A5A0C2FE3F42D58F7F4EC9C24E076D@GEOFFPC> Thanks Kas Wise comment you've changed my mind about doing away with the spline Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "robert bownes" ; "Randall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > The first time you need to pull the tranny and that sliding spline is not > there, you will wish it was. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert bownes" > To: "Randall" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > > >> Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might >> not >> be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long >> time since I was under a Camaro. >> >> iii >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >>> > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . >>> >>> Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and >>> differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention >>> the >>> frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not >>> designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. >>> >>> But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last >>> a >>> few hundred miles. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Mar 1 10:39:58 2009 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing, what else! Message-ID: <001801c99a94$ca54c440$5efe4cc0$@com> Seems to me whenever I have snow out my window I seem to think about racing! Have about 3/4 of an inch and they tell us to expect between 8 inches and a foot by tomorrow afternoon!! Well on to visions of the upcoming season. As anyone who has been on these lists for more than a year should know I am Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of Competition BeaveRun. And as you all know the BeaveRun Races came from the fevered minds of Mike Connolly & myself to see what we could do to make the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix experience possible to more racers and fans. Welcome the BeaveRun Historics! Entering our 6th year! As both a racer and an event organizer, I cut my teeth on the Schenley Park event, I think I know what you want and try to blend that to what my sponsors want. End result is the best damned road race around! Last year we played around a little with a true Trans Am (well the mid-version over and under 2.5 liters) It went over big with both drivers and spectators! This year I really want to push it! And I mean as it really was. Any VW beetles still out there? How about a NSU or Gordini? Any Alfa GTA/V's? Javelin, Corvair (V8) Or normal ones, Firebirds, Nova. Cougar, Rambler Rebel, plus the normal Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc. Hopefully by the end of the day I will have a new revised schedule up and a pretty comprehensive list of eligible cars for the Beaver Trans Am. If you do not see your car on the list but think it belongs just ask me. I expect this group to fill and given the track and the interesting mix this will be I am limiting this group to the first 25 cars entered in it. For those that have never raced big against small you do not know what you're missing. One of the finest races I have ever had in my life was against a Ford Pinto in my big Jag. What a race and what great memories. For those who think big and little cannot mix let me tell you they can! Some of the best racing SCCA ever had was in the trans am series. Look at Lemans, a bloody crosley hotshot against a Mercedes?! Most of you have also done it in any all comers race. So I want to see you out there. In this year of economic uncertainly ( is that an understatement or what) picking and choosing races is going to be important. Talk to anyone who has come to a PVGPA event and they will tell you you cannot get more bang for the buck! To see how much bang for the buck go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click on the vintage race button and then follow onto the beaver link. I should have updated schedule up very soon (just shows more track time than what is there now) Entry forms and costs are the same. Enjoy Ralph From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Mar 7 18:10:14 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Right hand drive vintage Spit project for sale Message-ID: <49B31AF6.3050503@bright.net> Greetings list. We are selling a car for customer who's father passed away. Father started the project in late 1990's and did not get it finished. A description is included with this email. Nice straight car - no flares and steel body. Good start for vintage or auto-x. Pictures available. Thanks, Ted Triumph Spitfire MkIII race car (1968/early 1969) Built from 2 cars in late 1990's Right hand drive Welded 4.1 differential 1971/72 Spitfire Mk IV 1300engine w/twin HS2 SU's Engine free and turning over -- condition unknown -- spin on filter w/oil cooler take-off Tubular pushrods -- brand unknown 4 speed -- no OD Fuel cell -- no steel case- brand unknown GT6 front brake conversion 7/8" front sway bar from Spit Mk IV 1500 Overall body is good - appears to have new rockers & possibly rear ?'s Frame is good 1.750" roll bar (probably .095" wall) with diagonal brace, 2 rear braces, 1 forward brace from center of main hoop to floor plus 2 forward braces from main hoop to bottom of A pillars Doors are gutted with no interior sheet metal -- just the outside door skin Body in primer Many boxes of small parts -- new and used including brake pads, engine bearings, etc. Stock later Spit wheels -- oval holes Available with or without engine. -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 9 10:54:31 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Message-ID: Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway. Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. > http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Mar 9 11:07:22 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve Very nice pictures, thanks for sharing. Paul >From the Great White North (Canada) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: March 9, 2009 1:55 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway. Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotts46 at q.com Mon Mar 9 11:55:09 2009 From: dotts46 at q.com (DAN OTTS) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Really great shots, especially the interpretive shots. You have an eye for the macro. Thanks for sharing them. Dan Otts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 9 15:11:51 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome. Wish the warm weather would hurry up and hit the north coast:). Who drives the #144 TR3? I have a question for you. Marty From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway.Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! 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Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at race-dogs.com Mon Mar 9 17:18:10 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event References: Message-ID: <003001c9a115$b19ad7f0$800101df@jawsxp> Great shots!! Makes me want to bring out the Silver Bullet- Oh wait Gary Shuman is trying to take over now!! Great racing in Group 3 for sure- JW John W. Spitfire #892 DP 240z CP ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway. Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve -- This message was scanned by WACS, Inc Spam Filters and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 9 23:19:05 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Looking to buy Early Spit Message-ID: I have an acquaintance who is looking for an early Spitfire that is running and ready to drive. It does not have to be a show car but a driver that can be tinkered with while driving. He wants one that is 1967 or earlier because of emissions issues where he lives. He will travel to one of the following states to purchase: Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado. If anyone has something that fits these requirements, Let me know and I will pass on your information. I have no financial interest in this transaction. Regards, Joe Curry From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 10 18:17:00 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] hauling Message-ID: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> I need to get a TR3 frame hauled from Mesa,AZ to the Orlando, FL area. Anyone coming this way or know of someone? From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 18:22:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:22:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] WAKE UP GANG Message-ID: Hi Gang..it's Racer Bud out here in Sonoma, Ca...the list has been quiet..What's new?....Races..New Triumphs acquired...for sale..wanted.... The First CSRG race is April 3-5 at Infineon(Sonoma, Ca.)..I...as per the last several years will be grabbing as much pit space as i can(Usually enough room for at least10+ racecars & 'stuff ..for My Racing Friends...Triumph et al)(THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE..Gang)...behind the Big Grandstand... WE WILL SQUEEZE YOU IN...regardless......and...If you are not racing....That's Great too......Please.... come by and help us work on our cars..Triumph..MG... Healey....Formula Jr....Formula 5000....Brabham....Le Grand....Specials etc., etc Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 10 19:01:07 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WAKE UP GANG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090311030014.2A98118765A@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Mar 10 19:48:22 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hauling In-Reply-To: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> References: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <49B72676.7080602@bright.net> Just piggybacking off Bob's request. I am headed to Sebring this Sunday with an empty trailer. If any needs something from here taken down south, please contact me. Thanks Ted Bob wrote: > I need to get a TR3 frame hauled from Mesa,AZ to the Orlando, FL area. > Anyone coming this way or know of someone? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: 03/10/09 19:51:00 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholls) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new e-mail address In-Reply-To: <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> Message-ID: <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> You (all FOTers) can edit your own settings by going to the link at the bottom of FOT emails. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Wed Mar 11 11:14:40 2009 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] delete Message-ID: <001001c9a275$3ef35ea0$22d26c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Please delete my name from your e-mail list. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 12 05:24:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:24:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: Hi everybody, question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? Cheers Chris From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 12 05:48:56 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: Alexander Racing Enterprises has wheels, way to go Joe! Seriously, I think most of us are running Panasports or Superlite 8 spoke wheel that almost look like Minilite's. Bob Kramer Texas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Hi everybody, question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 12 07:03:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:03:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/2009 6:33:43 AM Central Standard Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > Hi everybody, > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > ARE? Or is it ARW? Isn't ARE...Alexander Racing Enterprises? Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 12 07:25:24 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A39CACDB34A4E30941EE99E2453B6B3@richardiipc> ..it depends on your definition of are.. Isn't ARE...Alexander Racing Enterprises? Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 07:28:29 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: <65A18B61-F197-41A2-9EE4-BD98D3A7E62C@earthlink.net> Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but still popular for their "vintage look". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi everybody, > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > Cheers > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 12 07:29:19 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:29:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans...now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts Message-ID: FOT 'help' I need some trivia intelligence....was there a so-called Le Mans Style Valve Cover Fastner? I produced a Knurled Knob which allows quick removal of valve cover and features an "O" Ring Face Seal for positive oil sealing. They are on eBay. I got a note from a MOG owner that asked me if they were meant to be the "Le Mans Style". If it is, I did it by accident. Does any FOT Historian know of such a thing. Thanks.....Joe A > Alexander Racing Enterprises has wheels, way to go Joe! > > Seriously, I think most of us are running Panasports or Superlite 8 spoke > wheel that almost look like Minilite's. > > Bob Kramer > Texas > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 12 07:35:06 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:35:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: Like Book Titles, they cant be copyrighted. But you all knew that. I could write "Gone With The Wind" and publish it. (if I had talent) The list must be waking up out of hibernation..... :-) > > >> <<< ARE = American Racing Equipment >>> >> >> WOW! If that's so, Joe Alexander should get after these upstarts for >> copyright infringement of his protected acronym. There's probably enough of us >> now that we could successfully support him. >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 09:03:41 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:03:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans...now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB71433F6BCE8E-1208-58B@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:29 am Subject: [Fot] now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts FOT 'help' I need some trivia intelligence....was there a so-called Le Mans Style Valve Cover Fastner? ?I produced a Knurled Knob which allows quick removal of valve cover and features an "O" Ring Face Seal for positive oil sealing. They are on eBay. ==AM== Joe, for whatever it's worth, MG T-series engines had knurled, bakelite knobs to hold down the valve cover. See a picture: --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 12 16:10:20 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F? Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer writes: > Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but > > still popular for their "vintage look". > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Succeed in Your Weight Loss Goals. Easiest Protein Diet. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMfAoaHvB2rAlAVlM6obOMxiA5pyF0MD5BsZbgKIybURZ7XU6kshS/ From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 17:45:59 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F In-Reply-To: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c9a375$1435c8a0$3ca159e0$@com> Googling scca spec racer ford returned these 2 probable sources of that information http://www.flatoutracing.net/race_cars/ford.asp http://www.eliteautosport.com/rental/spec_racer.asp Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Mar 12 18:59:48 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels Message-ID: <666609.90312.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: The ARE wheels are made by American Racing Equipment (sorry Joe, no copyright infringement) and are of the four spoke style. I was lucky enough last year to acquire 9 of them in the 4 x 100mm bolt pattern, 6.0" wide. I sold off 4 of them figuring that I would never need more than 5. I've had them sitting in the shop for the last year wondering how they compared in weight to the 5.5" wide Cosmic's I had on my son's BMW 2002. This past week I had the old tires removed from the Cosmic's and was able to compare the weight of the wheels bare.?WOW... the Cosmic's feel to be significantly lighter in?weight. I figure they must have cast them out of feathers. The racing tires will be mounted on the Cosmic's and the street tires on the ARE's. 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Some of the quality is not as good as it should be since I mounted the camera to the plastic windscreen, and it's bouncing all over the place. I also use a RacePak G2X datalogger, and overlay the data on the video. My car broke at the last event, so I lent the camera to Steve Belfer, and we used a different mount, and his video came out great, although we ran out of space on the camera, and we missed his last effort at passing Paul Konkle (yellow mg). Check out the video at http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html I figure people who are still snowed in will be stoked to see some west coast racing. -Mark From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 20:31:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Videos References: <285b8a860903122007q24ad4086kd8842a485a712b4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249A1A4E602543B2B604ADE85A4C9ECD@Bud> Terrific stuff..Thanks! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Videos > Hi, > > My friend Randy Zoller (Heritage Motorsports) was nice enough to give > me a little cyberspace on his web page to post videos and pictures. I > posted some video taken with my ChaseCam. Some of the quality is not > as good as it should be since I mounted the camera to the plastic > windscreen, and it's bouncing all over the place. I also use a RacePak > G2X datalogger, and overlay the data on the video. My car broke at the > last event, so I lent the camera to Steve Belfer, and we used a > different mount, and his video came out great, although we ran out of > space on the camera, and we missed his last effort at passing Paul > Konkle (yellow mg). Check out the video at > http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html > > I figure people who are still snowed in will be stoked to see some > west coast racing. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 21:03:22 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges Message-ID: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> Hi Gang, I've got a set of curved glass gauges [amps, fuel, oil, water] that I thought were TR3. Closer inspection shows that they are "AC England". Fuel reads to 10gal/45litres, oil reads to 100lbs/7kgs, water 90-230F, amps -30 - +30. The curved glass Jaeger speedo and tach that were in the same box sure look to be TR. Any ideas what they might be from? Anybody need them? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:04:10 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:04:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SJ 1296 short blocks, stock rods, lightened rods References: Message-ID: > I have 2 1296 stock small journal blocks, sj cranks, about 20 stock > sj 1296 > rods and about 16 lightened/prepped sj 1296 rods in various > conditions, > and a few small journal timing covers to boot. > > I don't think I'll ever do up a 1296 sj engine, and I need the space > my GT6 stuff. > > If your interested, pics of the prepped rods are in my gallery, and > ill add others later. Contact me off list with any questions. I would > prefer to get rid of it as a single entire lot. > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > reading, pa > HP Spitfire 1500 #37/57 > Http://gallery.mac.com/Srcypher From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 12 21:33:48 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:33:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges In-Reply-To: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> References: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My old TR4 came with curved glass gauges... It was #4852 Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:22 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges > > Hi Gang, > I've got a set of curved glass gauges [amps, fuel, oil, water] that I > thought were TR3. Closer inspection shows that they are "AC England". > Fuel reads to 10gal/45litres, oil reads to 100lbs/7kgs, water > 90-230F, amps -30 - +30. The curved glass Jaeger speedo and tach that > were in the same box sure look to be TR. Any ideas what they might be > from? Anybody need them? > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 10:51:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:51:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would take the locker over the quaife even if the price were identical as long as you don't plan to run on the street. I would take a LSD over the locker, but you can expect a higher price. The quaife doesn't do that much for a race car. > Hi Everyone, > > I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Mar 13 11:02:56 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker if its in good shape. That's what I used and liked enough to get a second one. On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 11:07:55 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? ~Steve On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker > if its in good shape. That's what I used and > liked enough to get a second one. > > On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I >> was >> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more >> expensive. I >> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 11:19:38 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the season. I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle breaks. > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > >> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >> >> ~Steve >> From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 11:44:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:44:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com><23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net><309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> Message-ID: <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> I had the 'Ride Of My Life' a few years ago at Infineon when a stock axle broke in the esses...when that happens...You may still be a Racer...but you sure as heck..'Ain't Doin' the Drivin'..It's all about Whoa..what is going on here?... GET COMPETITION AXLES!...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and > that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If > your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the > season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > > >> >> On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> >>> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >>> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >>> >>> ~Steve >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 13 11:45:39 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:45:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Message-ID: weld it ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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URL: From markvaden at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 11:58:02 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone tried these? http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 Would the southwick still be better? -Mark On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick > conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > > ~Steve > > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > >> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker >> if its in good shape. ?That's what I used and >> liked enough to get a second one. >> >> On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was >>> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I >>> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >>> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >>> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 13 12:07:06 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:07:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Message-ID: In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, > and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much > fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not > the season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > I can't explain it, but there was some sort of FORD rear axle conversion that a guy in Florida came up with (Abacus?). I know that John Harkness bought one for his TR3A after rolling it over at GingerMan on time. John told me that it was big, heavy, and convoluting, but worked, and he didn't want to roll over again. But I agree that the Southwick conversion is the way to go (if he is still doing them). Seems to me I remember Uncle Jack saying Southwick was closing his shop and going to retire, but would do 'odds and ends' in his garage. He did good work, and seem to like doing stuff for Jack. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. 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URL: From emanteno at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 12:12:58 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <354a1780903131212j22180a04mabf0b4a86f83e445@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Has anyone tried these? > > http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 > > Would the southwick still be better? A number of years ago, FOT Chip Bond came up with the original drawings for the factory rear axles, and had them reproduced with modern metallurgy. A lot of us, including Uncle Jack, used them in conjunction with new rear hubs that were the effort of FOT Jeff Snook, who essentially did the same thing with the rear hubs that Chip had done with the axles. It was one of those axles that failed on Uncle Jack's Old Blue with Tony at the wheel, sending him on a 100 mph triple roll over wild ride that destroyed Old Blue but fortunately spared Tony. It was after that wreck that the Southwick Conversion came to be. My personal opinion is that the Southwick is better. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 13 12:20:48 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, >> and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much >> fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not >> the season. >> >> I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle >> breaks. >> > > I can't explain it, but there was some sort of FORD rear axle conversion that > a guy in Florida came up with (Abacus?). I know that John Harkness bought > one for his TR3A after rolling it over at GingerMan on time. John told me that > it was big, heavy, and convoluting, but worked, and he didn't want to roll > over again. Harrness' car had a Ford 9" installed (it still does, as far as I know... but the car hasn't run in a while) But it's a Ford 9", narrowed, with full-floater axles. If the axle breaks, the wheels stay on the car. Nice set up, if a bit of overkill. A tad heavy too. I agree with the sentiments about the Southwick - you get the vintage spirit and a measure of safety. The Ford 9" is not exactly all in the vintage spirit. But balling a TR4 is unkool, especially if you are in it! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 12:34:15 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com><23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net><309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> Message-ID: <002801c9a412$b1eb3c40$15c1b4c0$@net> ...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Boy is that an understatement It was like driving on a sandy road Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:44 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker I had the 'Ride Of My Life' a few years ago at Infineon when a stock axle broke in the esses...when that happens...You may still be a Racer...but you sure as heck..'Ain't Doin' the Drivin'..It's all about Whoa..what is going on here?... GET COMPETITION AXLES!...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and > that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If > your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the > season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > > >> >> On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> >>> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >>> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >>> >>> ~Steve >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 12:34:52 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:34:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> If only pushing around the paddock was all of it. Welding the rear end certainly makes a Southwick axle almost mandatory--lots of added stress in the axles. Also makes it hard to be fast, since you have to drive around the negative handling characteristics. I know, I know, you guys with welded diffs are going to say they are just wonderful for handling, that's why all the modern race cars use them ;) . Personally, I like to be able to get off the gas when I want to, not when the car will permit it. A locker is a close second on stress in the axles--might even surpass it when it first locks, properly set up LSD is third, quaife fourth, and open diff is easiest on the axles. As far as uprated axles go, they, plus uprated hubs, will make the axles last longer. But when they break, you still go for a ride. If your car is light enough, and you drive precisely enough, and your rear end gentle enough, and your tires slippery enough, then you might never need a southwick, but you still should crack check everything at least every other year. From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 12:44:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:44:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: on reflection, honestly I'd say if you don't have a way to retain your axles you should consider sticking with an open diff. You can drive around an open diffs limitations just as you can a welded axle's, particularly if you retain your parking brake, but even without the time honored "hand LSD" you can open your steering when the rear end starts to lose grip and get the tire back on the ground. Some folks really master this. I was pretty fair at it when I used a Quaife. In my experience a Quaife doesn't buy you much in racing. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 14:23:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Message-ID: Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britbits at netzero.com Fri Mar 13 13:53:24 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:53:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? Wheel tuck under and launch? I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser where at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. Cheers, Jim Dallas ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud ____________________________________________________________ Click to find high quality stock photos and images. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 13 15:18:28 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BEDE2043F7B48208D35039852C38536@KasPC> Just for what is worth, we found a forklift U-joint that fit and was much much stronger. You'll need to look as it was too long ago to remember. ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 13 17:41:17 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:41:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings Message-ID: <002901c9a43d$96554220$6401a8c0@blake1> FYI Pinion head bearings are difficult to find for the TR3/TR4 rear axle. My local bearing supplier was out so he called me back after talking directly to Timken. Timken no longer stocks the bearing so they quoted him $350 + 14 weeks for the cone bearing, the race was available. Moss was out of stock and were showing a mid May ETA, typical optimistic schedule. TRF had three remaining in their stock, now only 2. I almost hate to bring it up, but after spending today tracking down a bearing made of unobtainium, I started thinking about that Ford 9" my friend offered to give me the other day. Has anyone gone this route in a TR vintage race car. I know, shame on me, just curious. Greg From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 16:42:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:42:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings References: <002901c9a43d$96554220$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: I would talk to a machinist..mine is really good at finding stuff that fits.....350.00 for a cone bearing is a little tough on the blood pressure! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings > > FYI > > Pinion head bearings are difficult to find for the TR3/TR4 rear axle. > My local bearing supplier was out so he called me back after talking > directly to Timken. Timken no longer stocks the bearing so they quoted > him $350 + 14 weeks for the cone bearing, the race was available. Moss > was out of stock and were showing a mid May ETA, typical optimistic > schedule. TRF had three remaining in their stock, now only 2. > > I almost hate to bring it up, but after spending today tracking down a > bearing made of unobtainium, I started thinking about that Ford 9" my > friend offered to give me the other day. Has anyone gone this route in > a TR vintage race car. I know, shame on me, just curious. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 17:53:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:53:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090314015254.83D7D187655@autox.team.net> The car I rolled (3 times) had upgraded axles and upgraded hubs, but still of the stock design. All of the stress risers were eliminated, very good steel was used, and I could barely walk for a week and we could use most of the driveline components on the next car, but only one fender was re-used. Southwick conversion is like $800 bucks. The other option is to replace the rear axle with a cut down Ford 8" rear axle and find a u joint that will mate that to the drive shaft. That's essentially what I've got in my car now, that was done before the Southwick conversion was developed. Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony At 01:07 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: >What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > >~Steve > > > >On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > >>Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker >>if its in good shape. That's what I used and >>liked enough to get a second one. >> >>On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >>>Hi Everyone, >>> >>>I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I >>>was >>>previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more >>>expensive. I >>>have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >>>for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >>>my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Mark >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 18:02:38 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:02:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090314020143.67E54187655@autox.team.net> There is no picture on their website so I can only make an educated guess. Looks like the axle costs 200 pounds, and the hub costs 150 pounds without VAT. The fact that the hub is a separate part strongly suggests to me that this is an inferior solution to the Southwick conversion where the hub and axle are the same part. The axles used in this conversion are also used by local dirt track stock car guys. If the axle breaks (and it can handle V-8 power and bouncing off of the concrete wall), the wheel stays on the car. I don't know what the exchange rate is, but for 700 pounds for the set plus shipping, I'd think that the Southwick conversion at $800 to $850 would be the better value. And with that one I KNOW the wheels won't come off. In my case, the axle broke and the hub with the wheel still attached left the car. That's the crux of the problem with the stock type of axle even using excellent steel. I was just at Bob Southwick's place this evening, he is certainly still in business! - Tony At 01:58 PM 3/13/2009, Mark Vaden wrote: >Has anyone tried these? >http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 > >Would the southwick still be better? > >-Mark > >On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steven Belfer > wrote: > > What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick > > conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > > > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > > > >> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker > >> if its in good shape. That's what I used and > >> liked enough to get a second one. > >> > >> On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Everyone, > >>> > >>> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > >>> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > >>> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > >>> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > >>> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mark > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 18:05:23 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:05:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090314020428.7DCEB187655@autox.team.net> The car I rolled had a quaiffe, so having a gentle diff doesn't guarantee that stock design axles won't break. - Tony At 02:44 PM 3/13/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >on reflection, honestly I'd say if you don't have a way to retain your >axles you should consider sticking with an open diff. You can drive >around an open diffs limitations just as you can a welded axle's, >particularly if you retain your parking brake, but even without the >time honored "hand LSD" you can open your steering when the rear end >starts to lose grip and get the tire back on the ground. Some folks >really master this. I was pretty fair at it when I used a Quaife. In >my experience a Quaife doesn't buy you much in racing. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 18:07:33 2009 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:07:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Message-ID: <11585939.1236992853560.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, the ability to apply power and actually steer and even tighten a turn under power is amazing.? I have never blamed the locker for getting me into a "sticky wicket", but it sure has saved me more than a time or two with its ability to apply "full load" when needed.? That said, 50 year old axles are not exactly the safest thing to be using these days.? The locker will indeed put extra loads on your axles.? I would think twice if I had to run stock axles with decent tires.? I am soo glad my car is an IRS car and I have utilized Chevy stuff back there.? Thanks for the locker Kas... ????????? No longer limited in the "slip" department... ?????????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Mark Vaden To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:16 am Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Hi Everyone, I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 13 21:05:33 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:05:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheel torque In-Reply-To: <7B59CA9A9375457DA4EDA5CE75B1555F@David> References: <7B59CA9A9375457DA4EDA5CE75B1555F@David> Message-ID: If you are using the stock wheel studs, no more than 60 ft. lbs. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kettler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Wheel torque FOT: This recent thread on ARE wheels prompted a question. I have a new set of Panasports to be fitted to a street TR4A and I'm wondering what value to torque the lug nuts to? Appreciate any input. Dave Kettler _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 05:57:14 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:57:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: <32720280.31852.1237035434946.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 14 06:08:52 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:08:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A > Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the > Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow > carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body quickly. > The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and > did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 > hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all > the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going > in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I > have seen. > > A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion > axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR > hubs.... > > Dean T. > > > Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: > > >> >> Or, you could just drive slow. :) >> >> - Tony >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. ?One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 08:10:21 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:10:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> OK so why can't you use the MG design? To pricey or hard to install? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:00 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. "Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history?" The earlier MG cars, including A & early B, used a nice fully-floating axle design. The later B uses a (very robust) semi-floating axle. Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 11:55:56 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:55:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dont your cars have an engine? Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: weld it Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car around the paddock. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye lp00000005) From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Mar 14 12:03:17 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:03:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thats funny!! ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker To: BillDentin at aol.com, REK46 at aol.com, budscars at comcast.net, Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Dont your cars have an engine? > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 > An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > > In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, > REK46 at aol.com writes: > > > > > weld it > > Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car > around the > paddock. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye > lp00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 12:08:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:08:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: I even don't feel the welded diff. It handles as a normal car at speed. Only in paddock use you're hopping around sharp corners. I have no measurable understeer, instead there is neutral and oversteer behavior present. A locker would be fine, but my welded diff is doing quite well. BTW...my stock axles have done 175000 mls 'till now. >From my experience here in Europe . . broken axles seems to happen always to the same drivers...don't know why. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:35 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] detroit locker If only pushing around the paddock was all of it. Welding the rear end certainly makes a Southwick axle almost mandatory--lots of added stress in the axles. Also makes it hard to be fast, since you have to drive around the negative handling characteristics. I know, I know, you guys with welded diffs are going to say they are just wonderful for handling, that's why all the modern race cars use them ;) . Personally, I like to be able to get off the gas when I want to, not when the car will permit it. A locker is a close second on stress in the axles--might even surpass it when it first locks, properly set up LSD is third, quaife fourth, and open diff is easiest on the axles. As far as uprated axles go, they, plus uprated hubs, will make the axles last longer. But when they break, you still go for a ride. If your car is light enough, and you drive precisely enough, and your rear end gentle enough, and your tires slippery enough, then you might never need a southwick, but you still should crack check everything at least every other year. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 12:17:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:17:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> Message-ID: Seen several MG's with broken axles. Seems the same problem there. To say this....Triumphs aren't the only cars which leaving wheels on the track lanes. There are BMW, Porsches, VW Golf's and hundreds of other cars which can't stand racing stress on the axles. They replace axles after some hours of racing - that's it. I could imagine that axles don't last forever - like spark plugs. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Craig Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mdrz 2009 16:10 An: fubog1 at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. OK so why can't you use the MG design? To pricey or hard to install? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:00 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. "Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history?" The earlier MG cars, including A & early B, used a nice fully-floating axle design. The later B uses a (very robust) semi-floating axle. Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 12:21:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:21:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: Message-ID: <6A8BE8625F314926A8C19481CE008373@Bud> not this year..I'm on a low cost racing budget(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: BillDentin at aol.com ; REK46 at aol.com ; budscars at comcast.net ; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: AW: [Fot] detroit locker Don't your cars have an engine? Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: weld it Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car around the paddock. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyel p00000005) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 14 12:28:35 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:28:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> Message-ID: <03C7651F-1848-4A73-8831-D56B1AA769EE@bnj.com> You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR. On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Craig wrote: > OK so why can't you use the MG design? > To pricey or hard to install? > > Craig > > -- From smockracer at charter.net Sat Mar 14 20:29:30 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas Message-ID: I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 From jibjib at att.net Sat Mar 14 20:30:49 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotta second a west coaster. There aren't enough of us yet. Welcome John, Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Smock Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:30 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] John Nikas I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 20:36:03 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:36:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas References: Message-ID: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> capecoventryracing at gmail.com The above is John's email. He is certainly going to be a welcome member and gets my second to the group. Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smock " To: Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first From markvaden at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 05:55:55 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:55:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4F61DB1A-F151-4B93-B06D-60E2739BEDF6@gmail.com> John is a great guy, and I definitely recommend him. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:36 PM, "Gasket Works" wrote: > capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > The above is John's email. He is certainly going to be a welcome > member and > gets my second to the group. > Mordy > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Smock " > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > > >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory > raced at >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an >> asset to > our >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs >> at our > first > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Mar 15 13:12:53 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles References: Message-ID: So how have I managed to autocross and roadrace my Mk. 1 Spitfire for 44 years without ever snapping a U-joint? Inner axles, yes. Many times. Even the "big" ones on occasion. But ever since I ditched my well-worn limited slip for a welded-up rear, even that has reduced to almost zero (two in nearly 20 years). Outer axle once and then I put in performance axles and never had that problem again. But the only U-joint failure I ever had was when the car was still a road car, on a trip to New York (from Kansas) in 1966 or '67, and it basically ran out of grease and froze inside the U-joint carrier. Even then I got it to where I needed to get to (Long Island) and we fixed it there. Just lucky, I guess. :-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles > In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? > Wheel tuck under and launch? > > I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser > where > at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > ________________________________ > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles > > > Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have > a > competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the > keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition > axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded > together..and they are larger diameter > BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the > wheel > goes Bye Bye... > Racer Bud > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find high quality stock photos and images. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 15 13:23:07 2009 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <85090.29020.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have some aftermarket billet axles for spits. Dale Oesterle --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Rocky Entriken wrote: From: Rocky Entriken Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles To: britbits at netzero.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 4:12 PM So how have I managed to autocross and roadrace my Mk. 1 Spitfire for 44 years without ever snapping a U-joint? Inner axles, yes. Many times. Even the "big" ones on occasion. But ever since I ditched my well-worn limited slip for a welded-up rear, even that has reduced to almost zero (two in nearly 20 years). Outer axle once and then I put in performance axles and never had that problem again. But the only U-joint failure I ever had was when the car was still a road car, on a trip to New York (from Kansas) in 1966 or '67, and it basically ran out of grease and froze inside the U-joint carrier. Even then I got it to where I needed to get to (Long Island) and we fixed it there. Just lucky, I guess. :-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles > In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? > Wheel tuck under and launch? > > I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser where > at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > ________________________________ > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles > > > Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a > competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the > keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition > axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded > together..and they are larger diameter > BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel > goes Bye Bye... > Racer Bud > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find high quality stock photos and images. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6 L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dotts46 at q.com Sun Mar 15 18:05:29 2009 From: dotts46 at q.com (DAN OTTS) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:05:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an asset to any group or organization to which he belongs. Dan Otts > From: smockracer at charter.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first > race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 15 20:03:16 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:03:16 -1000 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well then obviously we don't want him. As one of the core FOT reprobates, I have to insist on a equal number of truly awful people for every good guy we nominate. We are woefully behind in cigar smoking, scotch drinking, sexually harassing people. this influx of kind, gentle and talented people is making me feel terribly outnumbered. I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, DAN OTTS wrote: > I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an > asset to > any group or organization to which he belongs. > > Dan Otts > >> From: smockracer at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 >> Subject: [Fot] John Nikas >> >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the >> factory raced > at >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an >> asset to > our >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs >> at our > first >> race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Sun Mar 15 20:06:03 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fear not Bill, I think between, you, me, Kas, and Susan we've got them well outgunned! On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Well then obviously we don't want him. As one of the core FOT > reprobates, I have to insist on a equal number of truly awful people > for every good guy we nominate. We are woefully behind in cigar > smoking, scotch drinking, sexually harassing people. this influx of > kind, gentle and talented people is making me feel terribly > outnumbered. I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing > much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. > > > On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, DAN OTTS wrote: > > > I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an > > asset to > > any group or organization to which he belongs. > > > > Dan Otts > > > >> From: smockracer at charter.net > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 > >> Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > >> > >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the > >> factory raced > > at > >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an > >> asset to > > our > >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs > >> at our > > first > >> race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 15 20:58:56 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine assembly webpage Message-ID: <20090316045809.EBE01187669@autox.team.net> In case you're interested... I posted the pictures from my latest TR-4 engine assembly here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_build.htm I had intended to do this last year but got down to the wire on the assembly and forgot to take the key pictures. - Tony D From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 07:17:20 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:17:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing > much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. Are ya sure Cheney would drive a Triumph? After all he's an "oil man". TRs might just be too economical. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From chasgee at aol.com Mon Mar 16 15:51:51 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:51:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903161532r2dded67cn820ec277fe05a861@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903161532r2dded67cn820ec277fe05a861@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB74A0EE0F64AE-A8C-1A6B@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> how did this happen?! No one consulted me on this, i'm sure its an oversight! Welcome aboard John! Chuck From mediehljr at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 16:59:27 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640371.80692.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Interesting. I wonder if it is the TR4 that I drove in the 63 12 hr #38 ?Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Paul Smock wrote: > From: Paul Smock > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 11:29 PM > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that > the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He > is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had > 24 TRs at our first > race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Mar 16 19:39:10 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:39:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: I desperately need one more 13 x6" 4 on 3.75" Libra for the Group 44 GT6 if anyone has one!? Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 3/12/09 7:48:58 PM, wgrosenbach at juno.com writes: > Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F? > Bill > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer > writes: > > Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but > > > > still popular for their "vintage look". > > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > > > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > > > > > Cheers > > > Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Succeed in Your Weight Loss Goals. Easiest Protein Diet. Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMfAoaHvB2rAlAVlM6obOMxiA5p > yF0MD5BsZbgKIybURZ7XU6kshS/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 20:32:09 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] panasport wheel Message-ID: <285b8a860903162032y70132871uc3137db2f5e3623c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, If anyone has 1 panasport wheel 15x7 (for a TR4) that is in suitable condition for racing for sale please contact me. Thanks in advance, Mark From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 11:56:30 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias Message-ID: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 12:00:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71BF94BA-7BE2-44F7-B49A-9F80AA4156D2@comcast.net> Curious as to what system pressures you see and what type of gauges are used for this application? On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:56 PM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 17 12:19:36 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:19:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090317191935.VSMF12344.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly > under breaking. Have you checked the rotors for thickness variation and runout? Randall From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 13:09:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:09:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have > not lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system > The gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 15:28:54 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I purchased one and it looks like the proper part. Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end-float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. Just curious. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 16:01:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:01:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351D1171-1243-4F7E-B254-40BE21ABB013@bnj.com> It will certainly work. I'd make a fixture to hold the part and grind it. Epoxying it to large wood dowel might suffice. Cut a step in the dowel so it can fit a drill press and then spin the part against so coarse paper. On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the > third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say > "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I > purchased one and it looks like the proper part. > > Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install > the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end- > float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. > > Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the > washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin > against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the > trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this > part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to > polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also > managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a > guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before > it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. > > My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to > the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but > I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer > at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. > > Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. > > Just curious. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 16:05:08 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 17 16:21:03 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <20090317232104.YPCU133.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > Is .006 enough to cause sittuation I believe so, yes. Usual limit is more like .002", measured at the same distance from the edge. IOW it doesn't matter if the edge is thinner than the center, as long as the thickness is the same at a constant radius from the hub. But if the caliper has to follow that change in thickness as the rotor turns, it will push fluid back and forth through the lines causing the pulsation you observed. Runout is less of a problem, since it just moves the pistons back and forth (assuming a dual piston caliper) or the caliper body for a single piston caliper. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 16:30:41 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:30:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by someone who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not street (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is . > 006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully > as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as > well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot > of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop > as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the > pressure flutter, but it might. > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I >> recently added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have >> not lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system >> The gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help >> rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 17:14:55 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Message-ID: I like the don't worry about it fix Wow its such a small number. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by someone who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not street (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 17 18:50:27 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:50:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Why not just get a spacer washer of the proper thickness to give you the correct endfloat? mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 18:55:50 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Why not just get a spacer washer of the proper thickness to > give you the correct endfloat? this one is the "keeper" that is next to the circlip. the spacer goes at the other end of the 3rd and 2nd bushings. I have plenty of those. All sizes too - .128, .124, .121, .118. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 17 19:58:15 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:58:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> Robert Lang wrote: > > this one is the "keeper" that is next to the circlip. > > the spacer goes at the other end of the 3rd and 2nd bushings. I have > plenty of those. All sizes too - .128, .124, .121, .118. > Uh, yes, I know. Why is it you want to adjust the end float of the 2nd/3rd gear bushes using the sectioned washer, introducing stress risers and non-parallel surfaces when the gearbox was designed to adjust this end float with precision ground washers of various thickness on the other end? What am I missing in your reasoning here? mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 20:14:31 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Robert Lang wrote: > Uh, yes, I know. Why is it you want to adjust the end float of the 2nd/3rd > gear > bushes using the sectioned washer, introducing stress risers and non-parallel > surfaces when the gearbox was designed to adjust this end float with > precision > ground washers of various thickness on the other end? What am I missing in > your reasoning here? the piece I was looking for is part number 156136 (or alternate 157054) in the TRF TR6 book. I broke the washer that was in there, so I bought a new one from Moss. The finish of the new piece was fairly rough, some sort of greyish finish. Removing the grey finish so I have a uniform shiney finish seems to have done the trick. The resulting part is (by micrometer measurement) still good (less than .001" variation measured at several places. I think I still have a precision washer. Regarding the spacer washers 129941 through 129944, given the dimensions that I had, the smallest (129941) was .003 too big! It looks like the polishing actually worked. I'll mic it to be sure the washer faces are still parallel. I did find it interesting that TRF doesn't list the 156136 or 157054 as available anymore. I think the grey "stuff" is some sort of leftover from the hardening process. But there's a LOT of it. About .005". WOW. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 22:24:20 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:24:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] History Corrected... References: <482642287.12718131235929127193.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <236541C2B6964E2A9DEB2EEE136AC806@KasPC> <001d01c99ae9$d88c4a60$1502a8c0@Belkin> <8E05017D-CBC2-44F2-A460-8ED898E4F949@parabolicapub.com> <017c01c9a0c4$f94bd320$1502a8c0@Belkin> <90D42B3C-B8F3-42F2-B4C9-1550352E39E3@parabolicapub.com> Message-ID: <005f01c9a789$cb6f58c0$1502a8c0@Belkin> The History books need to be rewritten. The 1957 Sebring results are somewhat incorrect (see below) in the #2 link. The correct version is the photographic evidence Mr. Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver in #34 1957 put together. He will be traveling to Sebring to set the record straight. See the new photos and details in link #1. I made the photos larger and it may take a bit to download. #1) http://www.fot-racing.com/historic/index.html #2) http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1957/57seb.html Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 17 22:51:00 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, don't forget to buy a new circlip for each installing. Never install a circlip twice, even not for measuring the endfloat. Use the old ring for measuring the endfloat. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Lang Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Mdrz 2009 23:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question Hi, I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I purchased one and it looks like the proper part. Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end-float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. Just curious. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 07:39:00 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:39:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination... Message-ID: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> Folks... Please allow me to nominate Bill Oker Jr. to the FOT. You will find many of his dad's triumph racing stories on our www site. There is more to be added. Bill currently races with HMSA and has been racing since at least 1961. I will put a photo of a 1961 time trial at Pomona with Bill driving a TR3 on the www site shortly. As you know his dad raced in Sebring with the factory team and Bill currently races as well. Although, his father has passed we look forward to having him join us. Mark B. Can you wave your wand and place Bill on our list once you have a second to the Nomination. Mordy Here is his email address... Oker, William R CIV ISSC SW, AIR-44540" www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 07:42:22 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:42:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <354a1780903180742t1db79238p66af41884a2756e0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Gasket Works wrote: > Folks... > > Please allow me to nominate Bill Oker Jr. to the FOT. > Second. Welcome Bill. Irv Korey From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 08:23:30 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC><3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Message-ID: <02B35BF2418F498F811A173F3C142340@RobPC> This morning the local shop agreed to turn the discs. It did take a little convincing that they were not for a street car The shop has been in the same location scence i was a kid and the man dueing the work is no spring chicken.So that and a buck fifty gets you a cup of coffee. We'll see thanks for the help and feed back rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >I like the don't worry about it fix Wow its such a small number. rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by > someone > who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not > street > (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't > worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: > > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about > 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It > will > take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but > it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have > not lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system > The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help > rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 18 09:27:53 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Message-ID: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Group My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from Summit. Nothing fits! I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea who supplied them. Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 18 09:33:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:33:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon Racing: horizonracing at msn.com On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill > vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf > just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with > a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from > left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is > not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the > forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights > and frame. > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no > more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy > have no idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 09:34:15 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <354a1780903180934r241e5a77g8ec69d27f837dee9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from > Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea > who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? I used the washer bottle from a TR6, removed the pump and vented the cap. It may be more than 6" tall however, I'm not near my car right now. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 18 09:37:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:37:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hi Glenn, This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, though. If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Group My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from Summit. Nothing fits! I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea who supplied them. Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] From pebert1 at wi.rr.com Wed Mar 18 09:49:53 2009 From: pebert1 at wi.rr.com (Paul Ebert) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias Message-ID: <138CA834161C478AA899C4B0C9944A5C@OFFICE> For what its worth in this discussion. generally speaking brake discs should have no more than .0005 to .0006 TV or thickness variation. Taper from the hub to the outer edge should vary no more than .003 and I would expect as close to zero would be appropriate for TIR or total indicated run out. Most new street cars are at .002 or less these days. You would definitely have "knock back" of the pads on a fixed caliper design braking system with .006 TV or that much run-out. I have learned this stuff after selling an on car lathe for the last 20 years. Our product will produce from .0005 to .001 run-out and .0002 TV in about 8min. Cool stuff. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 18 10:04:21 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2009 10:36:32 AM Central Standard Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > Amici... Bob Wismer arrives at SEBRING today with our Tornado TR3 Thunder Bolt. On that car we actually moved the whole coolant catch tank under the car and behind the left rear wheel. I know that sounds weird, but there's plenty of room back there, and it works for us. We just have to remember to 'check it' after sessions. Our issue was that car does over heat sometimes, and while we had plenty of room for the catch tank under the bonnet, we always seemed to end up water skiing on our own slop when it was up front...so we moved it. Now the people behind us (when and if there is somebody) get to deal with that. Lot of our stuff is weird, but no one has more fun than we do. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Mar 18 10:10:19 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:10:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer References: Message-ID: <59B30757501B497D9E29D8E35532651E@Charly> How about ebay item #200320875767 Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > In a message dated 03/18/2009 10:36:32 AM Central Standard Time, > sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > > >> This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, >> sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain >> petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to >> the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, >> though. >> > > Amici... > > Bob Wismer arrives at SEBRING today with our Tornado TR3 Thunder Bolt. On > that car we actually moved the whole coolant catch tank under the car and > behind > the left rear wheel. I know that sounds weird, but there's plenty of room > back there, and it works for us. We just have to remember to 'check it' > after > sessions. > > Our issue was that car does over heat sometimes, and while we had plenty > of > room for the catch tank under the bonnet, we always seemed to end up water > skiing on our own slop when it was up front...so we moved it. Now the > people > behind us (when and if there is somebody) get to deal with that. > > Lot of our stuff is weird, but no one has more fun than we do. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Wed Mar 18 10:14:54 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Wow, you guys go for the good stuff. I use the washer bottle trick or a spun aluminum water bottle from the sporting goods store and dump it out once a season. On 3/18/09, Barr, Scott wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > > If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up > a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the > dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank > for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton > blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical > tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left > to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more > than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward > bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no > idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 18 12:41:06 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: I'm using a windshield washer bottle I got at the parts store -- not sure what kind of car it was meant for. A Chevy I think. The parts store should have a nice variety of such things, I just chose one that fit and would mount up easily. It's square, and mounts in a wire frame that I've bolted inside the battery well. It has an outlet in the bottom I plugged with a glob of RTV. Cut a nice hole in the top for the overflow hose and it comes out of the wire frame so I can empty it when needed (using the screw-off cap at the top). The battery is relocated to a location inside the passenger compartment. This setup has worked for me for at least 20 years now. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch > tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks > don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to > right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than > 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from > the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from > Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea > who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Mar 18 13:58:50 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some clicking due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors solved the problem. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rob Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 14:10:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:10:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias References: Message-ID: Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they should not be out there. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not > going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some > clicking > due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors > solved > the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about > 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will > take > more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation > rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but > it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 18 14:49:48 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias References: Message-ID: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> Aw come on, guys. There's always that long, boring straightaway! :-) Rocket J. Squirrel (When autocrossing, my eyes are on the course, my ears are on the tach). ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Munson" ; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they > should not be out there. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Munson" > To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > >> I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not >> going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL >> >> I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some >> clicking >> due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors >> solved >> the problem. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of rob >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: Bill Babcock >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about >> 10 >> locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not >> spend >> much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will >> take >> more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause >> sittuation >> rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: rob >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> >> I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of >> pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the >> weight >> shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but >> it >> might. >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: >> >> >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently >> added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have >> not >> lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The >> gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 14:59:48 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> References: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> Message-ID: of course, on the straightaway those brake gauges should read zero; the time to look is when you are braking, just before turn in, double- clutching, etc. Sounds like you need a data logger. On Mar 18, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: Aw come on, guys. There's always that long, boring straightaway! :-) Rocket J. Squirrel (When autocrossing, my eyes are on the course, my ears are on the tach). ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Munson" ; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net >; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road > course..they should not be out there. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" > > To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > >> I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges >> you're not >> going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL >> >> I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some >> clicking >> due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the >> rotors solved >> the problem. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of rob >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: Bill Babcock >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on >> about 10 >> locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did >> not spend >> much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It >> will take >> more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause >> sittuation >> rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: rob >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> >> I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of >> pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as >> the >> weight >> shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure >> flutter, but it >> might. >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: >> >> >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I >> recently >> added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I >> have not >> lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the >> system The >> gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the >> help rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 18 15:18:19 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <49C1732B.1050402@cfl.rr.com> On the gt6 I removed the existing battery box by drilling out the spot welds. Fabricated an aluminum box with a flange to overhang onto the flat firewall shelf and drop in where the battery box used to be. Drilled the flange and the shelf. Installed rivnuts into the shelf so that the box can be removed if need be. The top of the box has two fittings. One for the valve cover and one if you want to vent the block. A small K&N filter is also installed in the lid on a third fitting. A drain petcock is in the bottom. Creates a clean unobtrusive installation. Box cost me $75 to get fabricated plus the fittings and filter. May have pictures of the installed box if anyone is interested. Bob Barr, Scott wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > > If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up > a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the > dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank > for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton > blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical > tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left > to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more > than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward > bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no > idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Wed Mar 18 15:38:48 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201c9a81a$4ee1d990$48741342@jrg> It's an issue of "where" on course. Drivers school weekend I was barely able to sneak a peek on the TWS front straight. Second weekend? I was waving to friends at the fenceline on the carousel. And watching the gauges on a regular basis. So if the car isn't a handful, it's easier to keep an eye on what's going on around you. If the car is a handful.. Maybe time for some work? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM Spitfire autocrosser '61 Morris Mini vintage racer 1275S clone -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM To: Mike Munson; 'rob'; 'Bill Babcock' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they should not be out there. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're > not going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some > clicking due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the > rotors solved the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It > will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough > to cause sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as > the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the > pressure flutter, but it might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpQZQGhd9DwOhW2BIiWNMPZub416CtUoNB5Mz5TJnCEoEJBOsY/ From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Mar 18 18:14:34 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:14:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: Sorry for the late opinion, but I could not agree more with Mike Munson. I added brake bias guages to my cars many years ago and the only time I ever look at them is in the pits or on the grid for a rain race. Make any adjustment there and that's it, no time to read them at speed. ( I have used video to record the guages during testing) After reading this thread I can't imagine a guage "fluttering", especially if there is no loss in performance. True a little run out will not help, but I don't believe that is the cause. Do you have any sort of in line proportioning valve or something? Either the gauge is bad (which I doubt) or you have some sort of bias pressure unit for the rear and you may have too much rear bias dialed in, thus the fluttering of the gauge. I like to see the front pressure up initially then have the rear follow, with about 800 PSI for the front and 400 for the rear junder max braking, too much rear will get you backwards in a hurry! Also check your balance bar and make sure its free to move as sometimes they can bind up, a little WD-40 every now and then can help. Sam > From: fasttrs at mindspring.com > To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:50 -0800 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not > going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some clicking > due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors solved > the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take > more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation > rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From bownes at seiri.com Wed Mar 18 18:38:40 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: Don't forget to check the jam nuts in the pushrods that tie the balance bar to the cylinders too. Those coming loose lead to Bad Things. Like no brakes going into Big Bend and a subsequent trip upside down.... On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Sam Halkias wrote: > > braking, too much rear will get you backwards in a hurry! Also check your > balance bar and make sure its free to move as sometimes they can bind up, a > little WD-40 every now and then can help. > > Sam From britbits at netzero.com Wed Mar 18 19:17:36 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:17:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <000f01c9a838$dfa8b3e0$50711342@jrg> Not trying to be intentially anal.. If you're seeing fluctuations on a pressure gauge, then something has to be causing the pressure differences. On a disc brake setup, normally that'd be the differences in rotor runout. If the car is handling ok, then it's something to watch in the after action videos but not lose sleep over. If the handling under braking is funky... time to clean things up in the rear brakes. Never hurts to have things perfect. But who has time/$$ to do that? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Halkias Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:15 PM To: Mike Munson; 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Sorry for the late opinion, but I could not agree more with Mike Munson. I added brake bias guages to my cars many years ago and the only time I ever look at them is in the pits or on the grid for a rain race. Make any adjustment there and that's it, no time to read them at speed. ( I have used video to record the guages during testing) After reading this thread I can't imagine a guage "fluttering", especially if there is no loss in performance. True a little run out will not help, but I don't believe that is the cause. ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9BVLRZLwHdkKpC6gpSNJIIZ0TJ2ASkqv03H0gSkozmOvvmdkAY/ From m-syork at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 20:02:15 2009 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:02:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000301c9a83f$1be63ed0$56ae1218@markv8zno7deim> I second that! Tony found a catch can that was used in a 50's-60's era sprint car at a swap meet. The can was too tall so he modified it to fit the battery box in my TR3. It's a work of art. Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM To: Glenn Franco Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon Racing: horizonracing at msn.com On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill > vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf > just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with > a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from > left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is > not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the > forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights > and frame. > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no > more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy > have no idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Wed Mar 18 20:35:17 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Head(?) freebee Message-ID: <497D9C0B-58E6-4789-B469-482BB287F7A9@mac.com> I have a TR4 head that came with a parts collection; I have absolutely no use for it, so if someone is interested its yours for pickup or the cost of shipping; it appears to be a TR4 because of the flat between 1 & 2 intake, and the intake ports do not appear to be ball milled as indicated in the below link. Has casting marks of 502137 and 7212. http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/FAQ_heads.htm Pictures below; kinda dusty/dirty, but I would assume usable; if you think not, let me know so I can throw in the scrap metal pile... http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#100833 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 18 12:46:32 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> Message-ID: <49C14F98.9060809@charter.net> Thanks for the suggestions on the catch tank location. The area behind the left rear wheel well in the boot is pretty open and sounds like it would work for coolant. Still looking for something for an oil catch. I think the oil would pool in the line if the catch tank was back in the boot. Attached are two photo's of the space I have to work with. Note there is no battery tray in the dash panel. Max height including the breather can't go beyond 7". Those reading from the list will not see the photo's. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer Bill Babcock wrote: > A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey > does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap > though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the > living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon > Racing: horizonracing at msn.com > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of racecar 006.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of racecar 007.JPG] From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 19 06:14:58 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a few questions about my street only GT6. It's a fairly recent purchase, I was a Spitfire guy before this and I'm noticing some differences in the way it handles. The car seems to get light at speed. The front end is higher than my Spits but from the pictures I've seen of other street GT6s, this seems to be normal. I thought this was done on purpose, possibly to counteract the higher weight of the engine, moving some of the weight to the back. It seems to allow too much air under the car, I like to drop the front down an inch or so by a combination of adjustable perch (Spax or Koni) shocks and shorter, stiffer springs. The current compressed spring length is 8.5 or 9", depending on if I measure from the base of the spring retainer or the insides of it. I'm running 7.5" on my street spits. I have a number of springs in different sizes I've collected over the years for the spits that are possible candidates. I'm sure this has been done before, any recommendations for spring rates or lengths? Any alternative ideas, caveats? Second question is on exhaust systems. The car has a custom exhaust, stock cast iron manifold but it splits to 1.75" dual pipes at the diff and has a pair of 12" straight pipes for the mufflers. The guy I bought it from was an old Triumph motorcycle dealer and I suspect the pipes are from a bike. I like a loud car, but this is louder than my race car and it getting annoying. I'd like to upgrade but I don't see many options. Stock, Pacesetter (Monza) or Bell dual setup seem to be the only package options. I've found a set of mufflers that have roughly the same size and diameter of the current pipes but I need to rig up a mounting system to because they weigh more than the current little pipes. I'm leaning towards the Bell sport system from SpitBits but I'd like some feedback from the collective wisdom here. I'm not trying to keep the car original but I do want to keep it period correct if possible. No coffee can mufflers like a kids Honda Civic if you know what I mean. Thanks in advance mike http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/GT6/P3150003.jpg From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 19 08:09:03 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR 3rd/4th synchro hub Message-ID: Hi, I got the box together. Thanks for the offers for parts! So here's the next question. Background - I seem to be forgetting things at an alarming rate, so I apologize if this is a question with an obvious answer... like I just sent this message to fot at auto.team.net. Yikes! ---- The big TR gearbox 3rd/4th synchro hub is assymetrical, that is to say one side has a protrusion of the inner splined section that is flush to the one face of the hub and the other side is recessed from the outer face. So it obviously goes either one way 'round or t'other. I've assembled more than 15 of these gearboxes the last one was about 6 years ago. I can't remember which way the synchro hub is supposed to go! The TR6 parts book implies that the flush end goes to the tail of the tranny and therefore the recess goes forward - but I assembled one last night with the flush end forward. And it fits and there's no binding or anything. So - what's the proper orientation? I'd pay someone to do this work except I have close to no money for the forseeable future (and I have TWO TR6's in need of loving care.) Oh, and the house. :-) On the plus side, I can assemble one of these units in about 60 minutes now. That's from parts all over the place, not neatly stacked on a bench. rml p.s. the polishing thing def. worked on the keeper washer - it came out to .003" end-float using a .121" washer. That's in spec! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 08:33:47 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:33:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR 3rd/4th synchro hub Message-ID: <1014616286.282415.1237476827594.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> /2xjhJj: Permission denied From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 19 09:14:45 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:14:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ is done Message-ID: We did get the car done and here is a cool video from Amelia Island. We have a heck of a program planned for The Mitty, April 30th-May. The dinner with Bob Tullius Thursday night still has a few tickets available. Would love to see everyone there. Thanks for all who helped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3nyC4dubc Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 09:46:43 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. Thanks, Jim G From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 09:48:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:48:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 09:49:11 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <11912873.1237481351330.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I use Willwood hi-temp brake fluid http://www.wilwood.com/Products/006-MasterCylinders/012-EXP/index.asp ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 12:46 PM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. > >Thanks, > >Jim G >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 19 09:50:58 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:50:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 09:56:08 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <10922762.1237481768532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If you search the posts you'll see that Castrol LMA changed their label to emphasize "Synthetic" but the mixture hasn't changed and it IS safe to use in the racecar. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: "Kramer, Robert" >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 12:50 PM >To: "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't >noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Bill Babcock >Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM >To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >Castrol. Seems good. >On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >> racecars. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim G >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 09:57:26 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:57:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <25368D5B-8083-4937-8FC3-CF9D4022A5FF@comcast.net> Motul RBF 600 or 660. Pegasus catalog has a nice chart on boiling points. After looking at that you won't use anything but Motul or Castrol synthetic. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 10:01:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I think it's very expensive?) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > Castrol. Seems good. > On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >> racecars. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim G >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 10:05:23 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:05:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic (take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the > label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the > same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I > think it's very expensive?) > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > >> Castrol. Seems good. >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >>> racecars. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim G >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:07:31 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I installed speed bleeders too, and one on the Clutch slave cyl. After 1 time, my wife won't help me bleed the brakes anymore. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM >To: RACER BUD >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic >(take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If >you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I >seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My >best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. >On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the >> label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the >> same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I >> think it's very expensive?) >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >> To: >> Cc: "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> >> >>> Castrol. Seems good. >>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >>>> racecars. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jim G >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> Babcock & Jenkins >>> Billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> www.bnj.com >>> >>> Editor >>> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >>> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >>> >>> Bill at kenalu.com >>> www.kenalu.com >>> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 10:32:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:32:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70AAE26B-8723-4ABB-99CA-6B36C1ABD43B@bnj.com> Fussy little buggers aren't they. Spray a little brake fluid on them, yell at them a few times, help them out of the car with a hand covered in brake dust and grease and bang, they want to quit. On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:07 AM, steve wrote: > I installed speed bleeders too, and one on the Clutch slave cyl. > After 1 time, my wife won't help me bleed the brakes anymore. > > ~Steve > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM >> To: RACER BUD >> Cc: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> >> Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic >> (take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If >> you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I >> seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My >> best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: >> >>> Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the >>> label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the >>> same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I >>> think it's very expensive?) >>> Racer Bud >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >>> To: >>> Cc: "fot" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >>> >>> >>>> Castrol. Seems good. >>>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in >>>>> the >>>>> racecars. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jim G >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Fot mailing list >>>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>>> >>>> >>>> Bill Babcock >>>> Babcock & Jenkins >>>> Billb at bnj.com >>>> 503.936.7660 >>>> www.bnj.com >>>> >>>> Editor >>>> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >>>> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >>>> >>>> Bill at kenalu.com >>>> www.kenalu.com >>>> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 10:39:37 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:39:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I use Porsche brake fluid. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Mdrz 2009 17:47 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake fluid question I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. Thanks, Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 19 10:45:37 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:45:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Greetings all, I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with Toyota. Anyone done that? Ideas/pitfalls? Thanks, Bill ____________________________________________________________ Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ From andre at gt6.ca Thu Mar 19 10:49:11 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903191049l5170dae4m72bcb8c705cc1872@mail.gmail.com> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html 1974 Toyota Corolla A. 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 11:02:20 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a better idea. A used Miata. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Rousseau >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >To: William G Rosenbach >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > >1974 Toyota Corolla > >A. > >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> Greetings all, >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with >> Toyota. >> Anyone done that? >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> Thanks, >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 19 11:07:34 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:07:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001001c9a8bd$94863b00$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > They have recently changed the label > on the LMA bottle, They won a court decision a few years back, that basically said anything from a modern refinery can be labeled as "synthetic". Randall From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 19 11:13:22 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:13:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> That fits better than I thought it might. Thanks, Bill On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau writes: > http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > > 1974 Toyota Corolla > > A. > > 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > > Greetings all, > > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire > with > > Toyota. > > Anyone done that? > > Ideas/pitfalls? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 19 11:19:37 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27335D26D2954889A0CD9E85D5660C7E@joepentiumnew> I had the BEST idea and used a Honda S2000! :) Joe C -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:02 AM To: Andre Rousseau; William G Rosenbach Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire I have a better idea. A used Miata. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Rousseau >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >To: William G Rosenbach >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > >1974 Toyota Corolla > >A. > >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> Greetings all, >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with >> Toyota. >> Anyone done that? >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> Thanks, >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4 yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Mar 19 11:21:43 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903191121k83f3ed6y69ff4f5c8beb2663@mail.gmail.com> He runs the toyo gear box as well, 4 speed, but I understand there was a 5 with that model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Cp6FNdsjw good idea of how it sounds. 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > That fits better than I thought it might. > Thanks, > Bill > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau writes: >> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> >> 1974 Toyota Corolla >> >> A. >> >> 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> > Greetings all, >> > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >> > Toyota. >> > Anyone done that? >> > Ideas/pitfalls? >> > Thanks, >> > Bill >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> > >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O > NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 11:32:50 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:32:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <6672941.1237487571061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I was being sarcastic and recommending you just drive around in a Miata! I like the idea of keeping a Triumph a Triumph. Seems to me the engine is probably the most fun part to rebuild! I did, however just see a guy with a very nice and clean bugeye sprite powered by a Mazda RX3 rotary. It was amazing how clean the install appeared and it sounded very nice at idle. When he drove away, it revved and revved! ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: William G Rosenbach >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 11:27 AM >To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >Does the Miata fit under the stock bonnet? >Bill > >On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) steve > writes: >> I have a better idea. A used Miata. >> >> ~Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Andre Rousseau >> >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >> >To: William G Rosenbach >> >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire >> > >> >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> > >> >1974 Toyota Corolla >> > >> >A. >> > >> >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >> >> Toyota. >> >> Anyone done that? >> >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> >> >> >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O >NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> >Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> >http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> >Fot mailing list >> >Fot at autox.team.net >> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Save on Digital Photography Serivces and Hardware. Click Now! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTWC3ifMjvD2TYo7fdWeshcpnKWeUW4F2V6Q7TRmDoTfRZdmO8/ From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 11:52:19 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:52:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: I did a TR3 with a Toyota 2TG motor. Not hard, worked great, but I decided to go vintage racing and that car became my NASCAR TR3 On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:45 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 12:00:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:00:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: That's what she said. Sorry, I'm having one of those mornings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQKsuogUXo On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:13 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > That fits better than I thought it might. > Thanks, > Bill > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau > writes: >> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> >> 1974 Toyota Corolla >> >> A. >> >> 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >>> Greetings all, >>> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >>> Toyota. >>> Anyone done that? >>> Ideas/pitfalls? >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >>> >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O > NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Mar 19 12:19:35 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Motol 600 ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question To: fot > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in > the racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 19 12:26:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. Which Toyota? Toyota has made precious few RWD cars in the last MORE THAN 20 YEARS. > Anyone done that? It's been done, Mark van de Carr has a 4 AGE motor (and Miata rear suspension) - it's fast. Not sure if parts are an issue as the 4AG motor is/was used in Toyota / Atlantic (and a lot of AE86 chassis drifters) > Ideas/pitfalls? See above. > Thanks, > Bill regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 12:51:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <79195E7C-DE51-49F4-BA62-C37C7059C35E@bnj.com> My first thought was ARE YOU NUTS, and then I realized that 1989 was twenty years ago. I consider cars made in 1989 to be new cars. >> >> > > Which Toyota? Toyota has made precious few RWD cars in the last MORE > THAN 20 YEARS. > >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Mar 19 13:32:32 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:32:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 15:22:29 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, like several other folks, I use Castrol LMA. Used it in CAN AM cars 39 years ago. I asked Dave at TRF about it and he also said that even though the container says synthetic, it's still the same fluid. I also change the fluid at least once a year, usually in the spring during caliper overhauls. Can't hurt. Hasn't snowed in two weeks; spring may be here. Been helping my cousin make maple syrup; hard work gathering sap, but fun. And Babcock, no comments about being a sap! Take care guys, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Mar 19 15:09:32 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that you're a sap), but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about using Porsche brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar experience with that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. DT ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: ; "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > Hi, like several other folks, I use Castrol LMA. Used it in CAN AM cars > 39 > years ago. > I asked Dave at TRF about it and he also said that even though the > container says synthetic, it's still the same fluid. > I also change the fluid at least once a year, usually in the spring > during > caliper overhauls. Can't hurt. > Hasn't snowed in two weeks; spring may be here. Been helping my cousin > make maple syrup; hard work gathering sap, but fun. And Babcock, no > comments > about being a sap! > Take care guys, Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > > > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim G > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 15:29:30 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:29:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> Message-ID: <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system by that corvette at Watkins Glen. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that > you're a sap), > but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about > using Porsche > brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar > experience with > that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. > > DT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > > To: ; "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 16:02:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "David Talbott" Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. > > I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad karma > though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system by that > corvette at Watkins Glen. > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > >> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that you're >> a sap), >> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about using >> Porsche >> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar experience >> with >> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >> >> DT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" >> > > >> To: ; "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 16:09:01 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:09:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00537200-0085-4164-A804-A7007AAB6C6F@bnj.com> And, as i recall I used it as more of an accelerator--Cameron hit me in the ass after i spun. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. > > I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad > karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system > by that corvette at Watkins Glen. > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > >> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that >> you're a sap), >> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about >> using Porsche >> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar >> experience with >> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >> >> DT From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 19 16:35:32 2009 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions References: Message-ID: Mike- I have a 70 Gt6+ that I drive as a daily driver about 9 months out of the year. (Maine winters prevent the other 3 months). After owning and driving it for 3 years now here is my .02 cents worth. Comp springs in the front will give the car the proper attitude you are looking for without sacrificing the ride quality. The lump 6 engine block in the front will dampen the higher spring rate and make the ride quite comfortable. I am unsure of the spring length and rate but the higher rate spring is readily available from most major LBC suppliers. The only challenge is when the car is lifted off the ground for service, the spring will not stay in the spring perch unless you wire tie them to the perch. If you do not wire tie them, you'll have to align the springs prior to putting any significant weight back on the suspension-not a big deal just a pain. Exhaust, if you a looking for great burble- take Nigel's (Spitbits) advice and install the Bell. I had a Monza on mine, it was loud and had a resonation that would drive you out of the car at 55 MPH. I had to wear ear plugs. The Bell takes the resonation away but still gives it a great snarl. It is loud when the throttle plates are wide open however. The fit and quality of the Bell exhaust was excellent. I am running the stock exhaust manifold. Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions >I have a few questions about my street only GT6. It's a fairly recent > purchase, I was a Spitfire guy before this and I'm noticing some > differences in the way it handles. The car seems to get light at speed. > The > front end is higher than my Spits but from the pictures I've seen of other > street GT6s, this seems to be normal. I thought this was done on purpose, > possibly to counteract the higher weight of the engine, moving some of > the > weight to the back. It seems to allow too much air under the car, I like > to > drop the front down an inch or so by a combination of adjustable perch > (Spax or Koni) shocks and shorter, stiffer springs. > > The current compressed spring length is 8.5 or 9", depending on if I > measure from the base of the spring retainer or the insides of it. I'm > running 7.5" on my street spits. I have a number of springs in different > sizes I've collected over the years for the spits that are possible > candidates. I'm sure this has been done before, any recommendations for > spring rates or lengths? Any alternative ideas, caveats? > > Second question is on exhaust systems. The car has a custom exhaust, stock > cast iron manifold but it splits to 1.75" dual pipes at the diff and has a > pair of 12" straight pipes for the mufflers. The guy I bought it from was > an old Triumph motorcycle dealer and I suspect the pipes are from a bike. > I > like a loud car, but this is louder than my race car and it getting > annoying. I'd like to upgrade but I don't see many options. Stock, > Pacesetter (Monza) or Bell dual setup seem to be the only package options. > I've found a set of mufflers that have roughly the same size and diameter > of the current pipes but I need to rig up a mounting system to because > they > weigh more than the current little pipes. I'm leaning towards the Bell > sport system from SpitBits but I'd like some feedback from the collective > wisdom here. I'm not trying to keep the car original but I do want to keep > it period correct if possible. No coffee can mufflers like a kids Honda > Civic if you know what I mean. > > Thanks in advance > > mike From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 16:54:21 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:54:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Gotta' admit my cheapo mentality ignorance here... When I built my car I thought I'd go "hi-tech" and used dot 5 synthetic for my first time ever. Quickly learned that the boiling point of synthetic is not suitable for racing. Have used regular ol' NAPA dot 4 since and have never had the soft pedal syndrome reappear. MY question is, if I'm not experiencing a soft pedal, what am I missing by not using fluid that costs nearly as much as I pay for a [used] set of race tires? Granted I don't use the brakes any harder than any other component on the poor thing but I do get them up to temp occasionally. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they > use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "David Talbott" > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > >> I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. >> >> I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad >> karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking >> system by that corvette at Watkins Glen. >> >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: >> >>> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting >>> that you're a sap), >>> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment >>> about using Porsche >>> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar >>> experience with >>> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >>> >>> DT >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" >>> >> > >>> To: ; "fot" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 17:12:45 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:12:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3FBFE1E0-5877-4D33-AEDF-F8CE1C6B7819@bnj.com> IMHO, nothing. If you were driving an extremely high performance race car the answer might be different, but if you are squeezing single pucks with a cast iron caliper I'd say if you can;t feel the difference then there isn't much. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Gotta' admit my cheapo mentality ignorance here... When I built my > car I thought I'd go "hi-tech" and used dot 5 synthetic for my first > time ever. Quickly learned that the boiling point of synthetic is > not suitable for racing. Have used regular ol' NAPA dot 4 since and > have never had the soft pedal syndrome reappear. MY question is, if > I'm not experiencing a soft pedal, what am I missing by not using > fluid that costs nearly as much as I pay for a [used] set of race > tires? Granted I don't use the brakes any harder than any other > component on the poor thing but I do get them up to temp occasionally. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they >> use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >> To: "David Talbott" >> Cc: "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Mar 19 16:28:26 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:28:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> Rocky Entriken wrote: > A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run > autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. > If the choice were between the 2T-C pushrod engine previously mentioned, and a 2T-G or GEU twincam, it should be a no-brainer. The mountings for the engines are virtually identical, as is weight, and the power output, rev range and flexibility of the twincam is much superior. If one wanted a real romper-stomper, the 3T-GTE twincam turbo would be the choice, but that might present a few more difficulties in adapting. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 18:17:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:17:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> Message-ID: <73B787F6-563B-4C2A-AC94-07742DFF7451@bnj.com> Domestic 2TGs came with nice side-draft Mikunis that look like webers. different jets and stuff, but nice carbs and the look trick. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > Rocky Entriken wrote: >> A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run >> autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. >> > > If the choice were between the 2T-C pushrod engine previously > mentioned, and a 2T-G or GEU twincam, it should be a no-brainer. > The mountings for the engines are virtually identical, as is weight, > and the power output, rev range and flexibility of the twincam is > much superior. If one wanted a real romper-stomper, the 3T-GTE > twincam turbo would be the choice, but that might present a few more > difficulties in adapting. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 07:05:26 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Message-ID: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 07:09:43 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: First bleed front, than bleed rear. No trouble with that on a bias dual system. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mdrz 2009 15:05 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Mar 20 08:01:46 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:01:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! It's possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one circuit and this would prevent full travel. "There are those who drive racing cars and then there are racing drivers" Giles Villeneuve > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > First bleed front, than bleed rear. > No trouble with that on a bias dual system. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mdrz 2009 15:05 > An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. > > I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) > > you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up > > with bubbles in the rear circuit. > > It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. > > Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? > > Jim G > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Fri Mar 20 08:29:57 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB7787DC6E7CBB-1400-2F@WEBMAIL-DY02.sysops.aol.com> It doesn't matter since both systems are separate.? I still follow the rule of bleeding the furthest cylinder/caliper first in each system though. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 7:05 am Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 10:28:04 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:28:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: brake bias Message-ID: With this brake stuff going some may like this video ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ebert" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] brake bias > Hi Rob, > If you go to the www.procutusa.com web site you can click on the box > titled > "drivers" and it will prompt you to put in your zip code. Or I do know > that > all the Firestone company stores have the technology. It should work fine > on the TR. No it's not expensive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob [mailto:19to1tr6 at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:15 PM > To: Paul Ebert > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > yes it is cool stuff is there a machine in the Boston area. Is it an > exspensive fix ? Will it work on the Tr thanks for the input This > is > great rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Ebert" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake bias > > >> For what its worth in this discussion. generally speaking brake discs >> should >> have no more than .0005 to .0006 TV or thickness variation. Taper from >> the >> hub to the outer edge should vary no more than .003 and I would expect as >> close to zero would be appropriate for TIR or total indicated run out. >> Most >> new street cars are at .002 or less these days. You would definitely >> have >> "knock back" of the pads on a fixed caliper design braking system with >> .006 >> TV or that much run-out. I have learned this stuff after selling an on >> car >> lathe for the last 20 years. Our product will produce from .0005 to .001 >> run-out and .0002 TV in about 8min. Cool stuff. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 20 11:01:04 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! > It's > possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one circuit and > this would prevent full travel. Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind last only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with the reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? Randall From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri Mar 20 12:26:50 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:26:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Riverside Legends event Message-ID: <005401c9a991$d26e3600$6cd01a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> Anybody going to this?? art de armond From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 12:34:39 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! > It's > possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one > circuit and > this would prevent full travel. Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind last only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with the reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 13:16:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:16:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little discipline. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance >> bar! >> It's >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one >> circuit and >> this would prevent full travel. > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > last > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > the > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 13:45:54 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:45:54 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination (sort of) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since Tony is an FOT member you might wonder why he didn't just let Mark know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph powertrain in it's future. On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly stated. The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to have Kas coming. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 20 13:52:53 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: This is where those little $4.99 Harbor Freight bottles with magnets work so well. I hook up all four and walk around until I get them all pumping about the same and it seems to work great. Bob in Austin. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:17 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: Randall; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little discipline. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance >> bar! >> It's >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one >> circuit and >> this would prevent full travel. > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > last > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > the > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 15:37:17 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:37:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friend recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their policy? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously > nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since > Tony is an FOT member you might wonder why he didn't just let Mark > know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. > Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer > skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette > longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the > other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. > > Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't > get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly > remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people > seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a > remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? > > Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN > officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once > had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including > John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to > active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph > powertrain in it's future. > > On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the > upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with > other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue > it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing > clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather > than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. > SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively > prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew > SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly > stated. > > The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to > have Kas coming. > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Fri Mar 20 13:14:46 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Miata Anti-dote In-Reply-To: <153547.57880.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <153547.57880.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB77AFA6065E82-17A0-1149@webmail-me17.sysops.aol.com> Amici, This article was sent to myB SCCA region's (Blue Mountain Region)B newsletter editor.B I have no experience with SCCA's version of vintage racing, but I thought it was amusing enough to pass along. Rich Rock B John discovers the Miata Anti-dote By Paul Paparella This is the story of John. Back in days when the local mechanic still knew what a carburetor looked like, John was an avid SCCA racer. After years away from the track to raise his family, John decided to get back into racing. If nothing else, it would take his mind off of his wife leaving him for that tennis pro in a red Miata. So off he went to the next SCCA regional to check out the current scene. John struck up a conversation with some racers in the paddock. bWhatbs the hot car if I want to race a production based sedan?b he asked. The response was bSpec Miata is about the most popular thing going.b Well, of course, John wasnbt too excited about that. bWhat else do you have?b he asked. bWell, you could try Showroom Stock Miata,b they answered. Not happy with the way the conversation was going, John walked over to the fence to watch the first race. As it happened, the first group out was GT. After seeing the lead cars go by, he thought this was kind of interesting. At least it was, until a couple of GT3 Miatas came by, followed closely b y a GTL Miata. That just got him thinking about how much money he lost when his former business partner skimmed from the top to buy a new Miata, then skipped town. So back to the paddock he went to look around. John was never much of an open wheel kind of guy, but he looked at those too. Of course the first one he saw was a Formula Mazda. It had one of those annoying bzoom zoomb decals, just like the one on the Miata that the kid down the street drove, with the big boom box that wakes John up at 3 AM every Sunday morning. Eventually he came upon some old timers standing around some cool old cars, like the ones John raced in the late b70bs. Turns out they were Production racers. bTell me more about Production,b John asked, bI kind of like the older cars.b bJohn, webve got to be honest with you,b one guy said, bwe love the old cars, too, but these days you need a Miata to win in E-Prod. bOr, if you donbt want to spend so much on the engine, you could run a Miata in FP.b bThose damn Miatas are everywhere,b he thought, and then remembered that the IRS agent who audited him last year drove one. By now it was afternoon, and there were just two races to go. Starting to feel discouraged, John wandered over to the false grid to see who was lining up for the next race. As he approached the grid, seeing an i nteresting mix of cars from the 1970bs up through new models, John got his hopes up. Then as he walked down the line, he saw three Miatas in ITA, and five in ITS. One of them looked a lot like the car that ran a red light and wrecked Johnbs classic Alfa last summer. B Continuing down the grid, he passed one SSB Miata, and a couple in T3. The last one he saw was the same color as the one his daughter was in when she got pregnant. bI give up b I guess SCCA just doesnbt have anything for me,b he thought.. John went to the food stand for a late lunch, and then headed for his car, not wanting to stay for the last race. As he walked towards the parking lot, he noticed crowds of people gravitating to the fences. Then he heard the rumble of the pack as it approached the starting line. As the green flag flew, he heard a roar of V-8bs like he hadnbt experienced since the heyday of Trans-Am. He turned towards the track just in time to see the leaders approach Turn 1. bWhat the hell is that Mini doing in between that Stingray Vette and the Shelby Mustang?b he thought. Then he saw a couple of BMW 2002bs, a beautiful Jaguar, three MGbs and a Corvair. bMan, these are the kind of cars I remember racing with,b he thought. After watching several laps of close racing but no bumping and rubbing, he realized these guys knew what they were doing, and were having fun doing it. He pulled out his stop watch, and saw that some of these cars were pretty darned fast, too. After the race was over, he went back to the paddock and found a bunch of the guys from the race. They were all having a great time talking and laughing with each other, but were quick to answer his questions and offer him a beer. After hanging out with the guys for over an hour, John decided that SCCA did have a place for an old school guy like him, after all. The Northeast Division Historic Racing Group was just what he was looking for. It wasnbt until he was halfway home that it hit him. He realized that, besides being a great series, HRG was the only closed wheel race all day that didnbt have single one of those damned Miatas! -------------------------------------------------- This is a fictional story. Any similarity between the cars in this story and actual Miatas is purely coincidental. However, HRG is the real thing. For more information, look up HRG on www.nescca.com or www.historicracing.org. --------------------------------------------------- NEDIV SCCA Historic Racing Group Schedule: July 3-4 at Lime Rock (with VSCCA and Jaguar Club) July 25-26 at Watkins Glen August 22-23 at NJMP Sept 19-20 at Watkins Glen Oct 17-18 at NJMP B From atr6racer at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 16:49:29 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:49:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: Here's my two cents. Both ways will work but allot depends on your pedal ratio and the stroke of your master cylinders. The best bet is to do one front and one rear at the same time. (Assuming you have a dula master system) If you have a long pedal, doing the front and rear seperately may not allow the balance bar to travel far enough to push the air out of the front or rear system. (and it can bind on some systems) On my cars I use a very short stroke pedal and I can bleed the system with a hand vaccum bleeder one caliper at a time or I can gravity bleed as all of my lines run downhill. Bottom line is, does the car stop without pumping the pedal. If it does, your doing whatever you're doing right. If you're pumping the pedal then I suggest you do something different with your system. Balance between the front and rears is critical under heavy braking, and when you get it right it's wonderful! Sam > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: Billb at bnj.com; s.janzen at comcast.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:52:53 -0500 > CC: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > This is where those little $4.99 Harbor Freight bottles with magnets work so > well. I hook up all four and walk around until I get them all pumping about > the same and it seems to work great. > > Bob in Austin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:17 PM > To: Scott Janzen > Cc: Randall; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if > you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a > little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, > rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time > ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little > discipline. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > > > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance > >> bar! > >> It's > >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one > >> circuit and > >> this would prevent full travel. > > > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > > last > > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > > the > > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > > > Randall > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 19:08:44 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:08:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not the Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what noise control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a supertrapp. I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally less restrictive than PIR. great track. On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friend > recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. > Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked > it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as > restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on > baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle > [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their > policy? > Thanks, > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 20 19:19:51 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive noise level? I've never made provisions for that... Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too loud! - Tony Drews At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not the >Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. > >The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what noise >control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >supertrapp. > >I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >less restrictive than PIR. great track. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 19:32:44 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'm louder. ~Steve On Mar 20, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 19:39:56 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0BBE5C75-347D-4F6F-AB4A-0BA63717D557@earthlink.net> Me either! Rats... no race in Seattle before the CRC? Guess I better check the calendar at least once before heading out - bound to find something fun on the way there or back. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 19:46:14 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:46:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning horn is 100db. In other words, it's not a problem. On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From fpspitfire at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 21:02:39 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, I thought PIR was a 103dB max without special deviation permit that stopped giving out.B That was one of the reasons ALMS quit going, they gave some ridiculous deal at the last race like LMP900 had 118dB, LMP675 had 110, GT1 had 105 and GT2 had 103 There is also a law on the Oregon book that states any vehicle regardless of on or off road use is required to have a spark arresting muffler on it...learned that from hill climb days. aaron #87 HP Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:46:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. B and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think B your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd B have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need B more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little B straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a B logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels B difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning B horn is 100db. In other words, it's not a problem. On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. B So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive B > noise level? B I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too B > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not B >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what B >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 21:18:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:18:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <099F4C15-3412-4F58-9041-E64F5B4CA1C0@bnj.com> Actually it's 105 by terms of the 2005 agreement unless there is a variance, and you can still get them but they require a bit of paper wading. CRC has had them--we have an excellent paper wader who can help us if we choose, I don't know if we'd get one this year. When we had one we never needed it, even with the Can Am cars. Each race organization manages the limit differently, most warn at one level and make you take action at another to ensure that 105 is never exceeded, so for example, we might warn at 98 db and require action at 103. I don't know exactly what SOVREN will choose to do but it will be something like that. Spark arrestors have certainly never been an issue at PIR. Its PORTLAND. If we had a brush fire it would be such a miracle that people from everywhere would come to watch it. Seriously folks, we're talking about Triumph motors. You might be able to hit 95 db 50 feet from the track, but you'd have to really work at it. 98 db is TEN TIMES LOUDER On Mar 20, 2009, at 6:02 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > Bill, > > I thought PIR was a 103dB max without special deviation permit that > stopped giving out. That was one of the reasons ALMS quit going, > they gave some ridiculous deal at the last race like LMP900 had > 118dB, LMP675 had 110, GT1 had 105 and GT2 had 103 > > There is also a law on the Oregon book that states any vehicle > regardless of on or off road use is required to have a spark > arresting muffler on it...learned that from hill climb days. > > aaron > #87 HP Spitfire From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 12:45:50 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use a supertrapp without the baffles and it works great, you should be under 90db uncapped jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "Triumph" , "Starke Shelby" , 'Friends at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:37:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friendB B recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. B Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked B it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as B restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on B baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle B [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their policy? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously > nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since > Tony is an FOT member you might wonder B why he didn't just let Mark > know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. > Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer > skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette > longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the > other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. > > Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't > get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly > remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people > seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a > remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? > > Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN > officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once > had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including > John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to > active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph > powertrain in it's future. > > On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the > upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with > other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue > it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing > clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather > than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. > SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively > prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew > SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly > stated. > > The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to > have Kas coming. > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 21 14:12:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Mar 21 14:39:34 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test was done during tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage made of concrete block with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and the side wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out on the track. ---------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the > responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, > and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not > before. :) > > - Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 14:49:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> Message-ID: <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a sound station that catches the sound as you race by...then...believe it or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the info and A PHOTO OF YOU RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the County Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> To: "Tony Drews" ; Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many of > the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy with > tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to roll up > expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. They were > stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test was done during > tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage made of concrete block > with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and > the side wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it > was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out on the > track. > ---------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the >> responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, >> and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not >> before. :) >> >> - Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 21 15:23:20 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:23:20 +0100 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: >From the noise on your video tapes I can't deny that your car is loud. I run a big Phoenix muffler and meet close to road legal noise. Sometimes I can't hear my own car during a race. On full speed (130 mph) I only hear wind noise. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Mdrz 2009 22:13 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 21 15:33:10 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:33:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> Message-ID: <283855BF-B0E5-4876-A22E-0AFCADEE1F80@earthlink.net> Good vantage point? Print quality? Will they let you pick your favorite? Could be a deal!! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR$ #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a > sound station that catches the sound as you race > by...then...believe it or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the > info and A PHOTO OF YOU RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the > County > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> > To: "Tony Drews" ; > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, >> many of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and >> were busy with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their >> TRs trying to roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from >> someones B-B-Q grill. They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to >> pass the test. The test was done during tech inspection held in a >> drive-through type garage made of concrete block with a concrete >> floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and the side >> wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it >> was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out >> on the track. >> ---------------------------------------------- >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >> >> >>> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for >>> all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder >>> wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it >>> quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) >>> >>> - Tony Drews >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 16:19:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> <283855BF-B0E5-4876-A22E-0AFCADEE1F80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Infineon is allowed a certain amount of days per year with no noise restrictions...i.e. Nascar..IRL....NHRA...and CSRG's Charity Challenge(last weekend of September this year) has been without decible limits.we usually have guest groups consisting of CAN-AM, TRANS-AM,HISTORIC STOCK CARS...... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > Good vantage point? Print quality? Will they let you pick your favorite? > Could be a deal!! > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR$ #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a >> sound station that catches the sound as you race by...then...believe it >> or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the info and A PHOTO OF YOU >> RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the County >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> >> To: "Tony Drews" ; >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >> >> >>> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many >>> of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy >>> with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to >>> roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. >>> They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test >>> was done during tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage >>> made of concrete block with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter >>> was between the car and the side wall about six feet away. In this >>> congested building, I felt it was a tough test to meet, but by race >>> time, all the TRs were out on the track. >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >>> >>> >>>> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all >>>> the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner >>>> TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE >>>> to, not before. :) >>>> >>>> - Tony Drews >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Sat Mar 21 18:39:32 2009 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Corrosion Cells Message-ID: <125482.56274.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Came across the following information in an old book (Rust and Rot) and thought some on the lists might find it of use........ "there are two parts to a corrosion cell, the cathode (stays intact) and the anode (corrodes). In the list of metals below, the greater the distance apart, the greater the corrosive forces..." AL is a special case due to its protective oxidation coating. Carbon Silver 18/8 Stainless Steel Monel metal Bronze Brass Nickel Tin Lead Lead/tin solder Cast iron Wrought steel Mild steel Cadmium Impure Aluminum Pure AL Zinc Magnesium alloy Magnesium (Zinc is a good in-between isolator for dis-similar metals) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 22 06:21:17 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Devin on Ebay Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Devin-Sports-Racer_W0QQitemZ180339069262QQihZ 008QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From REK46 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 07:03:44 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:03:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission - Rebuilt ( Message-ID: Click here: eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission - Rebuilt (item 220377371856 end time Mar-23-09 08:23:24 P.... ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220685763x1201394209/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecredi treport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfoote rNO62) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Mar 22 16:18:31 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:18:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] legal in vintage? Message-ID: _____ From: Sam Halkias [mailto:atr6racer at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:23 AM To: Mike Munson Subject: legal in vintage Hey Mikee, Think this air dam is legal in vintage? Big Sam _____ Internet Explorer 8 - Now Available. Faster, safer, easier. Download FREE now! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 100_3522.jpg] From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 22 18:05:34 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:05:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 22 18:11:53 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Aw, crap, I missed Sebring. Got the engine off of the stand, attached flywheel / clutch / tranny, got it in the car and got most of the wires / accessories / manifolds attached. Next weekend I should button it up and wake the neighbors. - Tony Drews At 08:05 PM 3/22/2009, Steven Belfer wrote: >Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took >place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring >on Speed? > >I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the >trunk. > >~Steve From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 18:21:16 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:21:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sorting front hubs (Spitfire GT6) Message-ID: I am now sorting the Group 44 Gt6+ and could use some advice. I used stock GT6 hubs and am using wheels I got from a Spitfire road racer (American Libra 13x6" with 3.5" of back space). The front wheels stick out pretty far (about an inch wider than the front fenders). When I got the car, it came with some aluminum front hubs that bring the wheels in about half an inch. I thought these were not original, but when I studied an old Group 44 photo, I saw the exact same hub in the picture. I had them crack checked and they came out okay. I am nervous about aluminum front hubs anyway, and when I went to mount a wheel, it rubs on the caliper, when I use these hubs. A 1/8"-1/4" spacer would solve this problem, but that defeats much of the purpose. What do you guys use? What do you think of aluminum hubs? What do you think of this size wheel and do you face the same issues? And how do you solve them? Thanks, and if anybody wants to check out the car, it is on our website and I plan on taking it to the Winter Park car show in a couple of weeks and of couse to the Mitty. And yes, I am getting calls about Portland and Monterey and am seriously thinking about making the trek if I get accepted to Monterey. And for those of you who asked about the Glen and Road America, if I don't go to Portland I could end up at one or both of those events, but I can do all of them. First, I need to get some stuff sorted before I do anything but car shows, which are not really my thing. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 18:27:00 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:27:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: Hell, I work on cars every weekend, but this weekend I worked on my kid's Spitfire and we took it to a British car breakfast event this morning and I knocked a few things off my list of about 20 things to sort on the Group 44 GT6+. Also worked on the radio on my M3. Does that count? Also started sorting parts and cleaning the shop after recently completing the GT6 restoration. Also went to Sebring, but didn't race. Did announce some on the World Challenge races. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 22 18:29:49 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lots of frame welding. Re-installed the a-arm brackets and gussets. Attached the TR6 steering rack. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, on the frame portion of the resurrection. Marty > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:05:34 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 18:37:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:37:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: My car is ready to go for the 1st CSRG race April 3-5.....Problem is...I broke my ankle(mugged by one of those @#%$&% Leprechauns on my walk home from a Saint Pats Day dinner)..I didn't even see the little sucker...THEY ARE FAST...I heard a kind of faint giggling sound...looked down....there he was.....he looked up at me....threw his head back..laughed ....said....".Lean Down Closer....I have a great joke to tell you...I think you'll get a Kick out of this"....I leaned down so that I could hear the little 'feller'....he kicked me flat in the shin .....got me hard with his Shoe Buckle.....As I was lying on the sidewalk...I saw a glimpse of he and his tiny girlfriend running away leaping and laughing...They did a little twirl..jumped up a bit..spread their little arms and hollered to me "See you Next Year Racer Bud"... Racer bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on > Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Sun Mar 22 18:52:15 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> Watched most of Sebring. Still waiting for new garage to be finished and then I can move everything off the back lawn into said garage and start doing things. Cheers, Kurt O. Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.12010 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12010 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 18:57:36 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:57:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Sun Mar 22 19:03:35 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601c9ab5b$a75ec7b0$4a741342@jrg> HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQPL9MOM4HAk/ From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:12:12 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:12:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: I guess I would take what I can get, but want to keep the car a real mellow street car (another reason I don't want to mjess with the Webers) I can find the carbs if needed, it is the linkage and manifold that are a bit tough. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoff ers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQP L9MOM4HAk/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:18:06 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:18:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: Ted tells me he doesn't have any. I have been bugging him since Carlisle last year. Nigel doesn't sell used parts (like the manifold), but is a good source for new Spitfire stuff. In a message dated 3/22/09 10:16:08 PM, rem9 at twcny.rr.com writes: > Tim, Ted Schumacher usually stocks these in rebuildable condition. Joe > Curto > would be the best source for the rebuild kits. Makes a huge difference > especially if you can put in an uprated cam. You might also check Nigel at > Spit Bits on the left coast for the carb sets. > > Best regards > > Russ Moore > 63 Spitfire #49 > 1300cc w/ twin HS-4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:58 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire > > We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need > > to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine > upgrade > story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single > Stromberg sucks. > > Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin > Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on > a > stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and > maybe > the cam at the same time. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under > $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 22 20:09:13 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:09:13 -1000 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> References: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> Message-ID: Mmmm, not so much. I did a ten mile downwind Stand Up paddle from Maliko Gultch to the Kahalui harbor in 25 knot winds and ten foot swells. Really crazy stuff, like surfing in a victory at sea movie. Yesterday I did eight miles on the south shore. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun Mar 22 20:10:20 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Watched a good portion of Sebring, repaired wheel cylinder on TR-6, Tweaked the exhaust system, weighed and finished steering on Hmod project................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque> > At 08:05 PM 3/22/2009, Steven Belfer wrote: > >Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > >place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > >on Speed? > > > >I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > >trunk. > > > >~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 20:20:43 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:20:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission -... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/2009 10:04:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: Click here: eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission - Rebuilt (item 220377371856 end time Mar-23-09 08:23:24 P.... ==AM== I suppose the lighter weight could be of some value, but I certainly hope that any rebuild was done with a Spitfire (or at least Herald 1200) gearset. Of course, those of you who spend weekends pulling stumps out of the ground with your Spitfire might find the Triumph 10's lower gear ratios useful. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From srcypher at mac.com Sun Mar 22 20:35:23 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tore down 2 GT6 long blocks to see what's salvagable and store the bits so they don't take up valuable floor space. One had been outside uncovered for years. Pistons fused to the block, rods fused to the wrist pins, lifters fused in the bores. Crank looks savagable, but I can't get it out, since the rods don't move. :( Other than the head, a total write off. Started teardown of a 3rd, but couldn't get the head off; rope trick didn't work with all the studs still in place; have to pull 'em and try again... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Mar 22 21:07:05 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:07:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> I pulled the engine and O/D trans out of my street Spitfire to investigate the cause of low oil pressure at idle. Bearings showed little wear, but the big end bearings on #4 and the rearmost main bearing had tiny little "pits" in them. What causes that? I'm not experienced enough to understand. Now that I know what size I put in 3 years ago (Standard on both mains and con rods), I'll order the HD tri-metal style from BPNW to replace them. Also mounted the 1147 race car engine on a stand so I can finally complete that rebuild on Jeff Senty's old car - darned career change put me way behind schedule. Looking forward to a couple Driver's Ed events, club track days, and some SCCA autocrossing this year. Gotta shake the car down and build some skills. Then maybe I'll be able to finally start attending a few actual vintage races next season. Have to do the autocrosses since they are being kind enough to run the Nationals in Lincoln, NE. Anyone from FOT going to attend? I know Robert MacKenzie is planning a trip up from Texas. I'm guessing Rocket J. Squirrel (Rocky E) will be there. Anyone else? If our local British car club or I can be of any help to anyone, please let me know. Oh - this doesn't really count as "work", but I bought a cheap set of 1.25" SU's on eBay for the 1147 or one of the 1296's I have to build. I'll be going for "true vintage" on the 1296 engines - so I guess that means I should use the HS2's not the HS4's. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Mar 22 21:08:18 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: <08C5EE8230A54B0089F71E6F308B5FDF@rocky> Actually I'll probably do it tomorrow. Today I watched my Jayhawks knock off Dayton and move on to the Sweet Sixteen. Cole Aldrich: Triple Double -- points/rebounds/blocks -- first official one in KU history (Wilt Chamberlain did it, but that was before such records were officially kept). Last guy to pull off that version of a triple in the NCAAs was Shaq in 1992. Just need to finish putting the car back together. First event next weekend. Got lazy a few weeks ago (actually just got tired of lying on the garage floor) and took my Spitfire to my favorite auto repair shop to have them change out the clutch plate and replace a leaky oil seal in the diff. So much easier when it's up on a lift. And then while I was there I had them rebuild a leaking brake master cylinder, spot-weld the bracket that holds the steering column, and they talked me into putting an electric fan on my radiator (and did it for me). Yeah, like most days in the garage, we had two jobs on the list and ended up doing five. Now I just have to put the gearbox cover and the removable part of the rollbar (knee bar) back in. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on > Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Mar 22 21:14:39 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c9ab6d$e2c954c0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> That's Ron Krantz selling that Aluminum Trans unit. I've been to his shop in Holly. MI. Amazing stuff in that gentleman's head and on his cars... If he says it's all in excellent condition, you can believe him. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 01:50:47 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:50:47 -0000 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: <57D276A220FF490689A83F55E29392B5@Bevan> My Triumphs are now gone to loving new homes as I couldn't drive them after my stroke. They were both too heavy and as my brain was a bit scrambled as well in the early aftermath days, working on them also wasn't possible on the grounds of my own and others safety. But getting rid of them didn't mean I didn't go without a fun car. This weekend saw me getting it out of the garage after its winter layover. We had a wash and polish, and then went for a gentle warm-up drive with the top down of about 20 miles around the lanes, admiring the blossoms in an early UK spring.. No, its not a Triumph - but the fun factor is there by the truckload. Three cyl 660cc engine, twin cam, 12 valve, turbo-charged, five speed and discs all round (with a servo) - and lots of other goodies. Daren't drive it at more than 90mph as the speedo isn't round and I'll bend the needle at 95. Suffice it to say, that even at that road speed, the car is still accelerating. Yes, its Japanese but only 25000 were made in total and only 1100 imported into the UK. Its already a classic and prices are still holding firm. I love it. Jonmac From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 23 02:10:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:10:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After I'll move the car from a wet cave that is called garage to my new house with two big and shiny garages I'll convert the car from steel to plastic panels, paint coat the panels by myself, install the side impact bars as FIA rules want me. At the weekend I did a little tuning shown in the Kastner book 1 - "staking the head" to provide a foundation for further grinding of the head surface. I bought a set of ARE "Le Mans" wheels for dry tires and dedicate the Revolution wheels for the wet tires. I need to check the rear axles for cracks, have a look on the diff and will reassemble the engine which is complete in pieces. Found that my cam is corroded now from being in an open engine block in a wet garage so my car will be the one racing with a rusty camshaft. I'll also fit a new water pump with new design propeller..... ....and hope for the best at Hockenheim race way..... Cheers Chris From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Mar 23 03:51:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500.>> They are for mine, though I doubt you could call it "fully prepped". Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: GRMTim at aol.com ; FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Mar 22 21:03:35 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQPL9MOM4HAk/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 04:19:45 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:19:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB79C06754559B-1470-2B6B@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Well ... installed a 4.11 diff with a quaife; installed a shortened, rebuilt and balanced driveshaft; took the shims out of the front engine mounts allowing the engine to move back .375" (and the drive shaft still can be disconnected and slid back to allow the trans or diff to be removed(couldn't do this before?); reinstalled the composite leaf spring with my version of a spacer between spring and diff (modified to compensate for the portly driver) and lastly filled the diff and new transmission with fluids.? Now I'm recouperating from the many times spent crawling under and out from under the car for wrenches, bolts and peeks at the Sebring race on Speed.? All in all a great 9 hours spent with my racecar. ?Today after work I'll stop at the garage again and put a couple hours in to finish up reassembly of the rear suspension.? Couple more weeks before my 1st autocross here in the North East. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed?? ? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk.? ? ~Steve? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 04:25:46 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:25:46 GMT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: <200903230525176.SM08016@[166.70.182.40]> Lets see, I charged the battery on Susan's spitfire in preperation for VIR and then spent the rest of the day running wire in our new shop building. Brad (Susan's chief mechanic) -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer colordog.1 at earthlink.net To: FOT fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed?? ? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk.? ? ~Steve? _______________________________________________? From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Mar 23 04:28:34 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Why not just put a single 32/36 Weber DGV (I think that is the model) on it, and never have to mess with it again? Terry Stetler. From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 04:40:15 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:40:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903230440w2ffd3e30le3f7984c6a11e128@mail.gmail.com> Coffee Table? A. 2009/3/22 Scott Cypher : > Tore down 2 GT6 long blocks to see what's salvagable and store the > bits so they don't take up valuable floor space. One had been > outside uncovered for years. Pistons fused to the block, rods fused > to the wrist pins, lifters fused in the bores. Crank looks > savagable, but I can't get it out, since the rods don't move. :( > Other than the head, a total write off. > > Started teardown of a 3rd, but couldn't get the head off; rope trick > didn't work with all the studs still in place; have to pull 'em and > try again... > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 04:53:22 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <200903230525176.SM08016@166.70.182.40> References: <200903230525176.SM08016@166.70.182.40> Message-ID: <4362ae390903230453i995223bl275ace666d64cb5f@mail.gmail.com> I set the grinder to a GT6 full back seat frame. Painted it up and will start on the 2nd one shortly. Can't wait to do the interior. Tested a cheap tach with my new electronic ignition system. That works so I'm doing a mech to electronic conversion on one of my old smiths. http://www.gt6.ca/09/0321/index.html And then had a really detailed chat with my better half about Vintage racing. The results were as expected. I have to wait. Its still not reasonable for me to push at this time. But, I've joined VARAC as a full member. http://www.varac.ca/ And I will do some autox and what not in the GT6. I'm back to square one I feel. Limited in space so I either sell the GT6 or "upgrade" the GT6 into a racer. Good Monday morning :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 05:07:36 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB79C7170CBB86-11C0-53B1@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> we watched Bob Wismer change carburettor floats in the Thunderbolt at Sebring... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 23 05:33:10 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:33:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Carbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim, there's a pair of H4s on eBay right now, with a manifold. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300301531532&ss pagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem= G. Michael Harmuth From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 23 06:00:26 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph work this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Busy car weekend. Saturday morning, went to a Brits of The Hudson car club tech seminar about head rebuilding and valve grinding. Went home and worked on the wife's Spitfire. Replaced the brake master cylinder. Mushroom factor kicked in, ended up replacing a front caliper and hose when I couldn't get the bleeder screw out. Repacked the front wheel bearings and replaced the tie rod ends since the front end felt loose and it was apart anyway. Ended the day with new plugs, wires, points etc. Found the carb dirty, maybe next week... Caught the last two hours of Sebring, thought the commentators audio was hard to hear, liked the in car, at night cameras.Local team, Dyson, was out early too bad. Sunday was work on the new GT6, knew it needed front end work too. Replaced the tie rod ends, steering shaft universal, rack bushings. Repacked the wheel bearings, looked at the ball joints and trunions, think I'll order a set and replace them when I change the shocks and springs. Adjusted the carbs and synched them. Ordered the new exhaust system from Rimmer Bros, 15% off until the end of the month. Took the wife out for a ride in the GT6, the work must have helped, she kept telling me stop driving it like a race car. Tonight I'll start removing parts on the Spitfire race car, getting it ready the season, starts in 6 weeks. Need to install the new engine, tranny, rebuilt diff, front calipers, clutch master and slave and header. Probably need to replumb the exhaust to hook up to the header, may take that to a shop. Haul the car to my brother's shop and get a second bar welded in the passengers side door. I don't think I'll ever learn to get this stuff done in the winter. mike From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 23 06:19:04 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use one of these . It is surprisingly quiet. I use a 2.5" pipe all the way back to the muffler. The only problem is that I can't hear the engine start on the grid 'cause of all you noisy guys. Moroso Spiral Flow Racing Mufflers Using advanced gas dynamics and sophisticated noise cancellation acoustics, Moroso engineers have developed a new series of Racing Mufflers. Specially engineered spiral baffles divide the exhaust flow into two separate paths, significantly reducing noise levels with minimal backpressure. The all-steel construction makes them durable - our efficient manufacturing process makes them affordable! http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=35054 Bob Kramer Aaustin, Texas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 23 06:42:59 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: Hi, Regarding your query about FOT folks attending the Solo Nationals, it is my current plan to be there with my F Prepared TR6. I'll be there mostly for the fun aspect of the event as my car is not very competitive on the national level although I should be able to score mid-pack or better if I don't drive with a rectal-cranial inversion. :-) Of course plans are subject to changes as the organization that I work for is about to go through a serious re-org and "right sizing". I actually gave some thought to dragging my car all the way to Portland for the shindig there and then heading to Nebraska, but that would be pretty much "insane" given the available free time. Not that I've ever been described as fully sane, of course. So, for now, it's Nationals in Nebraska and we'll work with that. Linda wants to hit some National Wildlife Refuges on the trip to/from. It's quite entertaining driving down dirt roads in NWRs with the truck and trailer. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 07:16:29 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:16:29 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning Message-ID: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 07:23:48 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:23:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning Message-ID: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 07:54:57 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0903230754y46e5b055ofe11ebe13b93365e@mail.gmail.com> Fun thread-- glad to see that I am notthe only one building and installing an engine on the weekend before first track day. Got the shirt block back just before I went off to the three day Skip Barber MX5 race driving class at Laguna Seca [wow,is that corkscrew an interesting corner -- but my major slide happened in turn six]. Got home on Monday,and left for Malaysia that afternoon. Home at 4 pm Saturday to sleep. Got the whole engine assembled yesterday except for the headers and manifold. Will complete engine install today. Chuck On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place > over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 09:04:45 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. Thanks, Ernie From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 09:49:28 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire Message-ID: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I learn and prep. If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? Toyo R888? Too aggressive? Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. Anything else I should look for? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 10:28:46 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:28:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <39423971-B297-4C42-9D36-CEB2D4A34B55@bnj.com> It's twisty, but not that bad. Pretty drive, I did it with no problem pulling Nero. On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. > Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM > To: "fot" > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route > from Richmond > KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville > (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane > highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car > on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 10:46:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: <57D276A220FF490689A83F55E29392B5@Bevan> Message-ID: <097F41664D444AE5B814C7B56083C60B@Bud> Hello John I am glad to hear you are/have recovered...Keep the spirit up!..You have lots of good friends here! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > My Triumphs are now gone to loving new homes as I couldn't drive them > after my stroke. They were both too heavy and as my brain was a bit > scrambled as well in the early aftermath days, working on them also wasn't > possible on the grounds of my own and others safety. But getting rid of > them didn't mean I didn't go without a fun car. This weekend saw me > getting it out of the garage after its winter layover. We had a wash and > polish, and then went for a gentle warm-up drive with the top down of > about 20 miles around the lanes, admiring the blossoms in an early UK > spring.. No, its not a Triumph - but the fun factor is there by the > truckload. Three cyl 660cc engine, twin cam, 12 valve, turbo-charged, five > speed and discs all round (with a servo) - and lots of other goodies. > Daren't drive it at more than 90mph as the speedo isn't round and I'll > bend the needle at 95. Suffice it to say, that even at that road speed, > the car is still accelerating. Yes, its Japanese but only 25000 were made > in total and only 1100 imported into the UK. Its already a classic and > prices are still holding firm. I love it. > > Jonmac _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 11:35:12 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brad, I'd recommend avoiding 58 if you value your life and your vehicles! I made the big mistake of following Mapquest down that route several years ago. It has over 10% grade in several sections both up and down, plus switchbacks that make you think you're in a James Bond movie. But you're not driving an Aston. In a Suburban with open trailer I was in first gear at 10 mph for hours, wondering whether I'd cook the brakes or the trans first. Coming back I think we went north on 29 to 64. (The memory of that leg isn't quite as vivid for some reason.) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 11:58:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:58:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00DB9153-8303-4FEB-9AC6-278850C4E351@bnj.com> There are some exciting stretches as I recall, but Nero did fine behind my F350 Diesel, and I thought the road was pretty cool. I was a little less pleased with it when a speeding truck that passed me in the breakdown lane kicked a tire carcass into the trailer, taking off the black water drain system. More like brown as I recall--yeah, I know, too much information. I think the big difference in experience might be the very handy "tow" function on F350 diesels. On Mar 23, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Brad, > I'd recommend avoiding 58 if you value your life and your vehicles! > I made the big mistake of following Mapquest down that route several > years ago. It has over 10% grade in several sections both up and > down, plus switchbacks that make you think you're in a James Bond > movie. But you're not driving an Aston. In a Suburban with open > trailer I was in first gear at 10 mph for hours, wondering whether > I'd cook the brakes or the trans first. > > Coming back I think we went north on 29 to 64. (The memory of that > leg isn't quite as vivid for some reason.) > > Regards, > Gary Schneider > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Brad Kahler > To: fot ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning > > Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. > Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM > To: "fot" > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route > from Richmond > KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville > (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane > highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car > on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Mar 24 12:10:35 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that some people use. Zippy Racing #69 GT6+ On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 23 12:33:11 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Where are you that it is Tuesday already? What stocks should I buy before the NYSE closes? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:11 PM To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that some people use. Zippy Racing #69 GT6+ On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 12:36:33 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0903230754y46e5b055ofe11ebe13b93365e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2102255159.140331237836993820.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The motor is still being machined so I : Fabricated & plumbed a new catch tank Installed & plumbed the oil sump Fabricated & wired a new dash panel for the lap timer Modified the header for more ground clearance Continued with fabrication ofB a carbon fiber air box. ( mold ) Drank a beer Watched Sebring...drank more beer Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Steven Belfer" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54:57 AM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: Re: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Fun thread-- glad to see that I am notthe only one building and installing an engine on the weekend before first track day. B Got the shirt block back just before I went off to the three day Skip Barber MX5 race driving class at Laguna Seca [wow,is that corkscrew an interesting corner -- but my major slide happened in turn six]. Got home on Monday,and left for Malaysia that afternoon. B Home at 4 pm Saturday to sleep. B Got the whole engine assembled yesterday except for the headers and manifold. B Will complete engine install today. Chuck On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place > over the weekend. B Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 23 13:40:51 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pit Stop without stopping Message-ID: <1D32EBB87FC1431AB24967E725D9D8BC@joepentiumnew> Check out this Shell ad. http://www.shell.com/home/content/motorsport/ferrari/fan_zone/videos/refuell ing_ad/index.html&promo=f1banner Scroll down the page and select Streamed video. Joe C. From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Mar 24 13:49:01 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a new service that over sees all our Macs, doing a great aren't they. On 3/23/09 2:33 PM, "Kramer, Robert" wrote: > Where are you that it is Tuesday already? What stocks should I buy before the > NYSE closes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of John Reed > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:11 PM > To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire > > Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit > with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that > some people use. > > Zippy Racing > > #69 GT6+ > > > On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > >> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I >> learn and prep. >> >> If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? >> >> Toyo R888? Too aggressive? >> Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. >> >> Anything else I should look for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. > > Regards, > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA > Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 > > John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com > > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly > forbidden. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Mar 23 14:51:35 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:51:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C80467.3010508@charter.net> Spent some of the weekend: Found a home for my oil recovery tank next to the radiator shroud and will be mounting my coolant recovery in the boot next to my fuel cell. Installed my Plexiglass TSI windscreen Mostly procrastinated , watched MSU basketball. Sunday I worked on my Rabbit Pickup bodywork (non British car) Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 23 16:47:31 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:47:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Interesting car on eBay! Message-ID: <20090324005931.EFF04187659@autox.team.net> >Check it out!! > >eBay item # 180339069262 > >Jim > >*********************************************************** > Visit The Desert Centre Triumph Register of America WebSite > http://www.dctra.org > for info on Subscribing/Unsubscribing and Digest and > Links to other British Car Sites >*********************************************************** From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 23 18:45:48 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <0KGZ002DNJCLJ0PF@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> At 09:16 AM 3/23/2009, Brad Kahler wrote: >We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if >anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to >I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not >sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road >like that. >Any input would be greatly appreciated. >Brad Brad, I used to drive that road fairly frequently (in my Saturn, not an RV towing a car). It is a bit twisty, so don't count on averaging 60. Go for it! jim >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 19:24:57 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:24:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down on that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) Mike Bowling Green, KY -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 19:38:27 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:38:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I went to Atlanta to visit family and friends. I Spent Saturday at RA watching Trans Am and other SCCA qualifying. It was the first race of the rebirth of the Trans Am series. It was very motivating watching the cars go down the back stretch at 190+. Unfortunately I am still waiting on my machine shop to finish my head. Mike Bowling Green, KY -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:06 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 19:44:15 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:44:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the difference in time and gas. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Husmann Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. Thanks, Ernie Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Mon Mar 23 22:04:07 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:04:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end Message-ID: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in websters for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after rebuilding the entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I realize there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties have gone to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, front lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for ease of adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i know, it's nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly appreciated. [ I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 22:41:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:41:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> Message-ID: <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> Slicks are pretty pointless without proper camber, so I'd start with that. Unless your car is well set up for slicks, in fact, they will slow you down. Proper camber depends entirely on who made them, but 2 to 4 degrees is the range, and it could be higher. You also need a rational amount of camber gain, or a suspension that is screwed down so tight it doesn't move much. Bump steer is very important with slicks because they track so hard. You need to eliminate it as much as possible. Stock TR3/4 front ends have so much it's hard to believe that anyone can race them. One way that people cope with that is, again, suspension that moves about as much as a go kart. Or you can really sort it, but that requires a lot of cut and try. I'd say step one is get all of Kas's books. Most of the good thinking on TR suspension is in there. There are some additional gems in the dark history of FOT, I'd search the archives. you'll find a lot, it's been talked to death. Only problem with being new--you'll find people won't be really excited about rehashing this. toe should probably be zero--your mileage will vary, and your comfort with low toe settings will depend on caster, which you may not have. I don't recall what model TR4 starting having some caster, but you can replace the lower trunnion bearing and the upper control arms and ball joint with ones from that model and get a couple of degrees. That type of ball joint (the one with two bolts holding it to the arms) enables some adjustability of caster through shims (though you need to be careful not to bind the trunnion) and I've seen them used for some pretty clever camber adjustment. I highly recommend this. it's particularly nice to have caster if your steering ever comes adrift. SOVREN will be fine with your car if it shows up with speedsters, which can be nearly as good as slicks with the proper setup. I've run Peyote on slicks, with a lot of tuning to get it right. Good for about a second over speedsters at PIR with me driving. Someone with more panache might do better. By comparison switching to Speedsters from Vintage TDs was good for three seconds. Peyote is a bit underpowered, it's a momentum car. I put big slicks on it at Road America in a desperation ploy to move from second to first. With the suspension properly redialed I lost more than a second (from rolling resistance I suspect). I suspect a lot of FOTers recall that race. I was scheming to beat that Jahmaniac guy (whatever his name is). Would have been better off to just drive a little harder. I didn't quite understand your slick size--are you saying you're using 9.5 inch slicks? If so, what on earth are you planning to have for horsepower? On Mar 23, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in > websters > for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after > rebuilding the > entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I > realize > there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties > have gone > to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, > front > lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for > ease of > adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your > caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i > know, it's > nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly > appreciated. [ > I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 24 04:28:56 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > I didn't quite understand your slick size--are you saying you're using > 9.5 inch slicks? If so, what on earth are you planning to have for > horsepower? This is just a guess, but the 23x9.5x15 slicks are E Prod legal and a lot of autocrossers use them (for now) in E prepared (and F prepared). But they're cantilever slicks that fit on 7" rims (which used to be required in some autocross classes and are probably still in the GCR for Prod cars). I'm using these tires on my autocrosser. Another guess: Hoosier. If so, they measure on the "tread" face to about 10" wide. They are a LOT of tire! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 24 06:03:32 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: References: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090324140254.E696718763E@autox.team.net> Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. - Tony Drews At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >difference in time and gas. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging > >While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? > >Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. > >Thanks, > >Ernie From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 24 06:20:07 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:20:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <16129953.1237900807761.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Mar 24 06:33:10 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:33:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <200903240733771.SM04044@[166.70.182.40]> That sounds to good for the likes of Ernie.......... -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Munson" Sent 3/24/2009 7:20:07 AM To: "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodgingIt is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 24 06:47:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> Message-ID: <8CB7A9E37ECAA8A-11C8-22FB@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Mark, One of our FOT has come up with a design &? the tooling to produce? fully adjustable upper A-arms. A major feature is that it can be adjusted ON the car without disassembly. Two sets have been installed and I received a set a short time ago. For further information contact??? vintage.racer at comcast.net??? or??? n197tr4 at cs.com Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pendergrass To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:04 am Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in websters for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after rebuilding the entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I realize there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties have gone to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, front lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for ease of adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i know, it's nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly appreciated. [ I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 10:47:29 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: <200903240733771.SM04044@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <717180.67758.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> You bet'ya! If I can't smell used diff lube and 114 octane fuel, I just don't sleep well. --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Brad Kahler wrote: From: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging To: "mike munson" , "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 8:33 AM That sounds to good for the likes of Ernie.......... -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Munson" Sent 3/24/2009 7:20:07 AM To: "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodgingIt is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Mar 24 11:29:40 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:29:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end Message-ID: /CFFoLV: Permission denied From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 15:59:58 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon Message-ID: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> I don't know if this video falls under the category of "guys with too much time on their hands" or ???? In any event, interesting footage of the smallest F1 car to take a lap (well almost a full lap) at Infineon Raceway. Wonder what it cost to rent the track for that lap? Gary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axolD-21JM4 From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 24 16:33:17 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:33:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! Message-ID: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> Fun. Lewis driving the biggest RC controlled F1 Car >Stay with it till the end. >McLaren dollars?? What Recession??? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 24 16:36:03 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon In-Reply-To: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: That guy drives like I do! :( Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon I don't know if this video falls under the category of "guys with too much time on their hands" or ???? In any event, interesting footage of the smallest F1 car to take a lap (well almost a full lap) at Infineon Raceway. Wonder what it cost to rent the track for that lap? Gary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axolD-21JM4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 24 16:37:57 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! In-Reply-To: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <97E8918CC3004D5B9A249ECB524D763C@joepentiumnew> In case you didn't catch it, that ad was paid for by Vodafone. With their bucks in sponsorship, anything is possible. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; members at dctra.org Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! Fun. Lewis driving the biggest RC controlled F1 Car >Stay with it till the end. >McLaren dollars?? What Recession??? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 24 16:54:26 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away Message-ID: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most people wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he was still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time with him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer at. He was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that loved to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out (some people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this area. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub y-dead-81/ -Ed- From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 24 17:04:52 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Another great passes away Message-ID: <133637.80594.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First email dropped a couple of charcters from the link -Ed- --- On Tue, 3/24/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Another great passes away To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:54 PM Listers: Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most people wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he was still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time with him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer at. He was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that loved to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out (some people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this area. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub y-dead-81/ -Ed- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 17:07:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away References: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C01BD879B794B73A940DD897AA9C9DE@Bud> that's the era of guys that put the bug in me before i even knew what a road race was Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away > Listers: > Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most > people > wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he > was > still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time > with > him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer > at. He > was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that > loved > to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out > (some > people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I > could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this > area. > > http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub > y-dead-81/ > > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 18:05:46 2009 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:05:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com><20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> I Run almost strait pipes dumping out under the right door and have never even been talked to at portland. If you think it might be an issue bring some sort of diverter to dump it to the right. sound trap is on the left down the back strait. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. > and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think > your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd > have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need > more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. > > 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little > straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a > logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels > difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning > horn is 100db. > > In other words, it's not a problem. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > >> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive >> noise level? I've never made provisions for that... >> >> Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too >> loud! >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >>> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >>> the >>> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >>> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >>> >>> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >>> noise >>> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >>> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >>> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >>> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >>> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >>> supertrapp. >>> >>> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >>> less restrictive than PIR. great track. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 24 18:25:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:25:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com><20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> Message-ID: <0D47F894-6264-452C-B19C-AF4428DFEB92@bnj.com> My straight pipe does the same thing--dumps at the ground with an angle under the car. Some people say that can make the noise bounce around, but I find it to be pretty quiet and I've never had a problem. Most times i run a muffler though because i really don't need any more hearing loss, and i don't want excessively loud noise around the grandkids. I keep muffs on them, but still... On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:05 PM, quicktr4 wrote: > I Run almost strait pipes dumping out under the right door and have > never even been talked to at portland. If you think it might be an > issue bring some sort of diverter to dump it to the right. sound > trap is on the left down the back strait. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Tony Drews" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a >> problem. >> and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think >> your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd >> have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need >> more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. >> >> 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little >> straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a >> logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels >> difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning >> horn is 100db. >> >> In other words, it's not a problem. >> >> On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >>> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive >>> noise level? I've never made provisions for that... >>> >>> Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too >>> loud! >>> >>> - Tony Drews >>> >>> At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>>> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >>>> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >>>> the >>>> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >>>> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >>>> >>>> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >>>> noise >>>> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >>>> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've >>>> run >>>> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, >>>> but I >>>> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >>>> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >>>> supertrapp. >>>> >>>> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's >>>> generally >>>> less restrictive than PIR. great track. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 24 19:58:32 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:58:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away In-Reply-To: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice man, and a FAST guy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away > Listers: > Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most > people > wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he > was > still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time > with > him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer > at. He > was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that > loved > to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out > (some > people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I > could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this > area. > > http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub > y-dead-81/ > > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 25 06:14:08 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220383904388&s spagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem= Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 12:01:02 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:01:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <379E4CE7-0E19-4ECF-AF5F-20E4D67FCEBE@bnj.com> arrgh, gone for less than 19 bucks. I'd have paid more. On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220383904388&s > spagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem= > > Paul > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 25 12:33:17 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:33:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this cardboard cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and never full of himself. From REK46 at aol.com Wed Mar 25 12:42:08 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:42:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby Message-ID: The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have a fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece took at a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign it for me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him have never been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to actually get mail or email to him without being put into a circular file before he ever saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be happy to do it...BUT..he has to know about it first...there must be a celebrity barrier up.... ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 12:49:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:49:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1940FFAE-D40B-4EE5-992C-25EFB2B2E532@bnj.com> Super nice guy, i had a few great conversations with him. Just a racer, that simple. The first was when i got to race with him in Peyote while he was driving McCaw's Carrera Pan America Ferrari. We had the same animated racer talk you have with anyone you dice with. I was on cloud nine. He signed peyote's deck lid and Diane's T shirt with Diane in it. I later bought some of his pictures of the 375 MM at monterey and he autographed them, remembering Peyote in the signature. something like "good luck Peyote #222". I could tell you exactly--the back wall of my office is a temple to Phil Hill--photos, posters, artwork all featuring him., but I'm in Maui and that's in Portland. Hard to believe he's gone. The world's a lesser place. On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real > gentleman and never full of himself. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:01:47 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:01:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780903251301p6a0af9e5k9f1f0b6ecaa9c929@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard > cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and never > full of himself. Especially since it was his face on Bobby Rahal's body. :-) Irv From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 13:09:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:09:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill References: Message-ID: <0BFAF51BBF6F480EAD385220CF8291BD@Bud> I met Phil Hill about 3 years ago at the Sonoma Plaza wine and food event during the Wine Country Classic...I saw him from a distance..Said to myself "That has got to be Phil Hill"!...I walked over to him and introduced myself, simply telling him what an honor it was to meet him...what a Great, personable guy Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill >I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard > cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and > never > full of himself. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 25 13:10:49 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:10:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: Yup, Jack wanted this cardboard cutout from a bar in Plymouth, WI and was about to liberate it, but decided to off the bartender $10 bucks for it. I think you were with us, IRV. Phil want to know where we got a cardboard cutout of him..."where did you get that!!!". So we had to tell him it was really Bobby Rahal's body. He loved it. > Especially since it was his face on Bobby Rahal's body. > > :-) > > Irv From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Mar 25 13:28:50 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby Message-ID: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Carroll will autograph almost anything if you make a donation to his charity. No, it ain't cheap! http://www.carrollshelbymerchandise.com/autograph Kurt O. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have a > fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece took at > a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign it for > me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him have never > been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to actually get mail > or email to him without being put into a circular file before he ever > saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be happy to do it...BUT..he > has to know about it first...there must be a celebrity barrier up.... > > > ************** > Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F > %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 13:40:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:40:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby In-Reply-To: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <6DAF3823-0ACD-4DFC-8B91-552D3B9CECFB@bnj.com> Actually, for a non-sponsored deal, that's a lot less than the going rate. On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:28 AM, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Carroll will autograph almost anything if you make a donation to his > charity. No, it ain't cheap! > > http://www.carrollshelbymerchandise.com/autograph > > Kurt O. > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > >> The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have >> a fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece >> took at a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign >> it for me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him >> have never been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to >> actually get mail or email to him without being put into a circular >> file before he ever saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be >> happy to do it...BUT..he has to know about it first...there must be >> a celebrity barrier up.... >> >> >> ************** >> Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F >> %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 19:22:51 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon Message-ID: <283424800.1249491238034171548.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Gary Horstkorda: Thanks for reminding me why I have not been back to a CSRG event at Infineon!! Regards,B B John James TR4 #116 B formerly TR4 #24 From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 19:47:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon References: <283424800.1249491238034171548.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <65413512C4174AD7AC8D40498CAD0397@Bud> Hello...Please explain thanks Racer Bud CSRG member ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon > Gary Horstkorda: Thanks for reminding me why I have not been back to a > CSRG > event at Infineon!! > > > > Regards,B > > > > B John James > > TR4 #116 > > B formerly TR4 > > #24 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Mar 25 20:20:45 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:20:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thanks from #65 Message-ID: <7F6EA8A1EBDA4259BEC67977F3B1967E@Pendys> I really appreciate FOT's input and want to say thank you for your responce to my tr4 front end questions. I am good to go !! Mark Pendergrass ( Pendy) tr4 #65 From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Mar 26 03:02:22 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? Message-ID: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon -Ed- From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Mar 26 04:33:30 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are no more drivers who will do it all. Sure some have the talent to, but will never have the chance because of the high degree of specialization in all classes now-a-days, and the contractural climate of today's professional motorsports. Terry Stetler. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 07:34:23 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes we will never see again. Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, fuel tanks on wheels, little or no driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I would hold in the same regard as Fangio, Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but because they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors script. Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. Jim Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! B http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 B Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon -Ed- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 08:28:50 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:28:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The great drivers feed the myths of motorsports... the stories. Statistics will always be there for those who think "stats" are what racing is about (kind of like baseball). I've always felt it was the stories... the myths that are more enduring. When Michael Schumacher retired a number of fans on another forum claimed he was the greatest driver who ever lived... maybe. It's all relative. In 50 or 100 years which will be more enduring? Will we still be telling stories about Schummi and his wins, done in a car that is essentially a rolling video game? Or will the tales told of Nuvolari and Varzi or Fangio or Clark or for that matter Hill, Balchowski, Gurney, Sachs and Shelby still inspire and awe? I think you know what my answer would be. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes we > will never see again. > > Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, fuel > tanks on wheels, little or no > > driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I would > hold in the same regard as Fangio, > > Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. > > Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but because > they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors > script. > > Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. > > Jim Gray > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America > Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his > passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! > B > http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 > B > Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, > Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock > cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children > speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every > era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated > showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but > bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... > Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon > -Ed- > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Mar 26 08:38:35 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? Message-ID: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My car is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books dateing back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i am trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original issue March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. At that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at Blackhawk, Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a Mr. Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the car #. Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which time it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt like the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland ran the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the facelift time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph Janssen in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old hot rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a phone # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no avail.Just thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has some input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Mar 26 08:46:52 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <605103baecc59f79cf6515d03c3962c4.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Hi Mark, I was crewing on Chip Bond's TR-4 at the time that Jerry Mowery raced that car. We even worked on it a little bit for him. He had Kearney's Race Service doing most of the work for him at the time, as I recall. Jerry is now (or was last year) racing a Datsun Z-car, a yellow one as I recall. I don't know if I have any photos of it, but Chip might. Go to http://www.gt-classics.com for his contact info. He can probably tell you a bit about the car during the time that Jerry had it. On Thu, March 26, 2009 11:38 am, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My > car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books > dateing > back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i > am > trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original > issue > March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. > At > that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at > Blackhawk, > Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a > Mr. > Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced > from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the > car #. > Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a > brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which > time > it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) > deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt > like > the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some > reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland > ran > the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the > facelift > time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph > Janssen > in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home > track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old > hot > rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a > phone > # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no > avail.Just > thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has > some > input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 26 08:48:02 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <20090326164728.9A9D618767A@autox.team.net> >in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home >track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old hot Portland or Phoenix? From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 10:42:25 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:42:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <8D2C3438120F4125A57F378435A60BBD@Bud> Hi Mark and all.I don't know where your car came from..but thank you for spurring my interest in finding one of my old ones..I raced 2 different TR4s on the west coast in that era..I know where one of them is, but I sure would like to find the other... The car was black with yellow wheels and racing stripes and a very high roll bar when i raced it. in the San Francisco Region...I sold it to TERRY LAWRENCE in San francisco southern peninsula area...he painted it a very pretty pale green with i think a white racing stripe..I tried into the 1980s to find him and/or the car..no luck. anybody remember Racer Bud's old Love? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? >I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My >car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books > dateing > back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i > am > trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original > issue > March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. > At > that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at > Blackhawk, > Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a > Mr. > Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced > from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the > car #. > Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a > brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which > time > it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) > deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt > like > the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some > reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland > ran > the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the > facelift > time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph > Janssen > in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home > track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old > hot > rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a > phone > # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no > avail.Just > thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has > some > input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 10:58:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> We had the heroes....and many of them came up from scratch...a big difference then was that ..There was a dream available with a goal in sight.....driving our hearts out in our Triumphs, Mgs whatever...hoping to be noticed and scooped up by a big Can-Am team ..It was a realistic dream because it did happen.....and many of the leaders that were racing then came up that way...John Cannon's life was changed when he brought his very outdated modified car to Laguna Seca and won, (or placed very high in it) in a rain race... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "James Gray" ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > The great drivers feed the myths of motorsports... the stories. Statistics > will always be there for those who think "stats" are what racing is about > (kind of like baseball). I've always felt it was the stories... the myths > that > are more enduring. When Michael Schumacher retired a number of fans on > another > forum claimed he was the greatest driver who ever lived... maybe. > > It's all relative. In 50 or 100 years which will be more enduring? Will we > still be telling stories about Schummi and his wins, done in a car that is > essentially a rolling video game? Or will the tales told of Nuvolari and > Varzi > or Fangio or Clark or for that matter Hill, Balchowski, Gurney, Sachs and > Shelby still inspire and awe? > > I think you know what my answer would be. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 >> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >> >> There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes >> we >> will never see again. >> >> Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, > fuel >> tanks on wheels, little or no >> >> driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I > would >> hold in the same regard as Fangio, >> >> Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. >> >> Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but > because >> they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors >> script. >> >> Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. >> >> Jim Gray >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "EDWARD BARNARD" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America >> Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >> >> Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his >> passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! >> B >> http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 >> B >> Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. >> Mario, >> Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, > stock >> cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our > children >> speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. > Every >> era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated >> showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you >> think, > but >> bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... >> Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon >> -Ed- >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Thu Mar 26 12:10:46 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <9559C3B6FAE64BEE8B477D8AED3CF871@Bud> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <373F220788F24251B78602C00A01EFE8@KasPC> <9559C3B6FAE64BEE8B477D8AED3CF871@Bud> Message-ID: <3866F990AC3B41D9A397A83367240155@KasPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; "James Gray" ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >I met Ronnie Bucknam's second wife(I can't remember her name..can someone >refresh me?) at a non auto related function here in Sonoma...She said that >Ronnie's Porsche was put at the back of the grid at Riverside for some >reason...He was very hot about it... still went on to win the race, and >that's when Honda hired him..She was with him throughout his F1 days...said >it was incredible! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: "RACER BUD" ; ; "James > Gray" ; > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > >> The biggest move I ever heard or saw was when Ronnie Bucknum went from >> racing an MGB in Cal Club to be the first driver for the Honda Formula >> one effort. Now that is a move. >> Lew Spencer went from Morgan driver to one of the first in Shelby's Cobra >> team. George Follmer drove everything also. Porsche 356 in Cal Club , >> Trans Am champ in the under 2 liter division then with Parnelli in the >> Mustang team and in F-1 and also the big Porsche Can-Am cars. Winner >> everywhere. Both Lew and George are still around having a good time. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RACER BUD" >> To: ; "James Gray" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:58 AM >> Subject> From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 26 12:51:39 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:51:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Twin Spitfire carbs and GT6 hubs Message-ID: Thanks for all your help. I figured out the aluminum hubs I have will work with 4" backspace wheels, which I had a pair of. I alos ordered a set of Spitfire twin SUs from Phil at Quantum. As usual, will give a full report in the magazine and at our website. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 26 14:33:58 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: Message-ID: <755E9E23FD5440A48247C608FC0E07F9@userb38463fba5> Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of the WPTA regulars may want to attend. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Brad Kahler'" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning >I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb > Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down > on > that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) > > Mike > Bowling Green, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning > > We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering > if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B > Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad From chasgee at aol.com Thu Mar 26 15:48:17 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> Message-ID: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> When this topic comes up, Joe Alexander always comes to mind. I've seen him race a TR4 and a Triumph bicycle on the same weekend. Very impressive! Chuck From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 15:52:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:52:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8166A3646C074A89A50E0BD4E7226D3B@Bud> Hey Joe..do you do road cycling?...Centuries, etc? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > When this topic comes up, Joe Alexander always comes to mind. I've seen > him race a TR4 and a Triumph bicycle on the same weekend. Very > impressive! > > Chuck From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 16:03:45 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <755E9E23FD5440A48247C608FC0E07F9@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <982108.27904.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jerry: VCDA over Easter weekend; April 10 - 12, 2009 --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: From: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning To: "Mike Munson" , "'Brad Kahler'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:33 PM Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of the WPTA regulars may want to attend. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Brad Kahler'" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning > I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb > Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down on > that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) > > Mike > Bowling Green, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning > > We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 26 16:18:14 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49CC0D36.2040103@141.com> From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 26 16:43:58 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49CC133E.5020206@141.com> /nTrVWL: Permission denied From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 16:54:44 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: Hmmmm, thanks for the heads up. I will have to forward this email to my three kids:) Marty > From: mpendy at dishmail.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:35 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? > > I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago. _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 19:43:02 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:43:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Andre ? I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them to work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. Cheers, Bob T. '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Tire So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I learn and prep. If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? Toyo R888? Too aggressive? Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. Anything else I should look for? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Mar 26 20:02:02 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:02:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: History Corrected... Message-ID: <000c01c9ae88$680ae6e0$1502a8c0@Belkin> Looks like the books will reflect what really happened at Sebring in 1957. Ken Breslauer is the historian for Sebring. See below.. Thank you Mr. Johns. www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Johns To: Mike Cook ; John Herrera ; Jeff Krupp ; Jeff Kelley ; Mordy Dunst Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Fw: History Corrected... I talked to Ken Breslauer, Editor of the Sebring Record Book and Communications Director at Sebring, and he has agreed to correct the official record book upon reprinting of the book in two years for the 60th anniversary of Sebring. I offered to make available to him all the photos and data desired to confirm the facts, but he is satisfied and we all look forward to the published record being corrected. Robert Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Gasket Works To: Casey Annis ; Robert Johns Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:24 AM Subject: History Corrected... The History books need to be rewritten. The 1957 Sebring results are somewhat incorrect (see below) in the #2 link. The correct version is the photographic evidence Mr. Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver in #34 1957 put together. He will be traveling to Sebring to set the record straight. See the new photos and details in link #1. I made the photos larger and it may take a bit to download. #1) http://www.fot-racing.com/historic/index.html #2) http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1957/57seb.html Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 04:06:53 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> You may want to check with whatevver vintage org you will be running with to see if they approve R888. looks great but may not fit SVRA, for example Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Andre > ? > I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them > to work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. > > Cheers, > Bob T. > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [Fot] Tire > > > > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Mar 27 04:44:01 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903270444h23bcbc8dhee7fd09e2b3b6a90@mail.gmail.com> The R888 is the replacement for the RA1 so I don't see why not, but I'd be inclined to ask VARAC too. A. 2009/3/27 Scott Janzen : > You may want to check with whatevver vintage org you will be running with to > see if they approve R888. looks great but may not fit SVRA, for example > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> Andre >> ? >> I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them to >> work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. >> >> Cheers, >> Bob T. >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andre Rousseau >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Tire >> >> >> >> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I >> learn and prep. >> >> If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? >> >> Toyo R888? Too aggressive? >> Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. >> >> Anything else I should look for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 27 17:29:36 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:29:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 27 18:19:50 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: <982108.27904.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F8988182157466E9C3AC0446F1045EA@userb38463fba5> Darn, not doable for me over Easter weekend. I really like VIR and want to go back there with my FOT friends. Always a fun time. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Husmann To: fot at autox.team.net ; Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning Jerry: VCDA over Easter weekend; April 10 - 12, 2009 --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: From: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning To: "Mike Munson" , "'Brad Kahler'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:33 PM Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of theWPTA regulars may want to attend.Jerry Van Vlack ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 19:00:12 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002a01c9af48$eeb73520$cc259f60$@net> What are all the switches for? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 19:04:54 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002a01c9af48$eeb73520$cc259f60$@net> Message-ID: <913C7794A9E44AE58EE5D9E2ADA65641@Bud> Those switches automatically pump out blood pressure medicine when we realize that we could have bought that car in 1988 for $1500.00 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig" To: "'steve'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > What are all the switches for? > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of steve > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:30 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 27 19:26:43 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side pipes are ugly enough. On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, steve wrote: > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Mar 27 19:52:26 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <20090327.205227.2112.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> The Cosmics look nice. . . Bill On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:43 -1000 Bill Babcock writes: > Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side > > pipes are ugly enough. > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, steve wrote: > > > Hold onto your socks! > > > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Need Basketball Tickets? Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDyW11WF2NK9C3TkeDP2Qo91xz80d4ZBbkJkTqb7PKzUALniThE0w/ From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 27 20:49:11 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Belongs to Herman Munster? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of steve Sent: March 27, 2009 8:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 05:29:41 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:29:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well done Brawn. Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after a while we will get used to it. Chris From andre at gt6.ca Sat Mar 28 05:36:56 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903280536x5fb109a6sa754b2218c2f4c22@mail.gmail.com> I still can't decide if teams are sand bagging it or not... We'll see how race strategy plays out. Did anyone see Brawn landed VIRGIN. Honda must be shaking their heads right about now. A. 2009/3/28 MadMarx : > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 28 05:39:56 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel spacing Message-ID: <49CE1A9C.9060207@cfl.rr.com> Anyone care to comment on whether a set of wheels meant for an MGA with stock offset will work on a TR3? I know lug nut spacing is okay. thxx, Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 05:44:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:44:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Herman Munster? I remember that cool show. In one episode they build a drag racer out of a casket and the exhaust pipes were taken from the organ grandfather played. They won the race I think but the parachute was lost somehow an Herman tried to slow down the car with getting towed behind on his feet. They were in flames after. Funny. You US people know best how to make good shows (in most cases) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Paul MacDonald Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 04:49 An: steve; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Belongs to Herman Munster? From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 05:48:16 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Tube bending Message-ID: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am getting ready to build a cage for my current project - 1 1/2" mild steel. Can anyone recommend a tubing bender? Type, Mfg., Source. Thanks Dennis From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 06:24:19 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots of aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and craigs list... Saying yes to spring... M From mpendy at dishmail.net Sat Mar 28 07:55:44 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 hp and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. > "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If > I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every > hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap > performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine > bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good > bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, > especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have > narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost > equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". > It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." > > > > Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use the > 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the beef and > enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots of > aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and craigs > list... > > Saying yes to spring... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 08:00:40 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine assembly web page Message-ID: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Tony, Thanks for taking the time to publish these pics. I am just about to doctor my oil pan. Noticed that you went top to bottom with the baffle for the length of the opening on one side. I understood the comp manual says it should float 3/8" (I think) from the bottom. Have you run this design? I like the idea. Also I am guessing there is no need for a baffle on the other side or across the pan for hard braking? A COTS pan (commercial off the shelf) for my mustang boxed the pickup with trap doors which is why I was curious - overkill??? On the front of the pan where second peice is welded to the primary peice, I eyeball the float off the bottom of the pan to be ~1/2"? Thanks again for the pics!!! M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 08:13:30 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:13:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 hp > and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. > > >> "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that >> wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, >> like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of >> cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get >> parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford >> rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap >> meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a >> million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw >> around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG >> rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a >> 9" or a TR." >> >> >> >> Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use >> the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the >> beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots >> of aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and >> craigs list... >> >> Saying yes to spring... >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > I wasn't sure of the specs but I wouldn't wish the mass of my Mustang's narrowed 9" on any self respecting TR. On the plus side it might move the weight distribution toward 50:50 but so would a bag of cement in the trunk. I see the 8" in Nitrous burning Mustangs north of 650hp - no-doubt with after-market upgrades. They are cheap... Cheers, M From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 08:52:26 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the larger defusers and even out the field. But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] F1 practice Well done Brawn. Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after a while we will get used to it. Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 08:59:27 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:59:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. > Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the > larger defusers and even out the field. > > But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] F1 practice > > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but > after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:10:04 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:10:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> Message-ID: <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> In this case it is all about "the spirit of the rules" instead of "the letter of the rules". Mosley made it quite clear that the intent was to limit the area of the diffusers in order to greatly decrease downforce and thus to slow the cars down. All but 3 teams worked around that intent but 3 did not and used a loophole to get a much greater amount of downforce. During all the practices leading up to the first race, it was evident that this was going to be an issue and it would not surprise me to find that The other teams have been re-engineering the diffusers in anticipation of possibility that the FIA would rule that Brawn et al were correct in their application of the new rule. The grid for this first race is indeed looking strange with the Toyotas sent back to the back of the field for rear wing infringement and Hamilton losing 5 spots (from a 15th place qualifying spot) for gearbox replacement. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:59 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. > Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the > larger defusers and even out the field. > > But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] F1 practice > > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but > after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Mar 28 09:33:03 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 106-old Racer at Brands Hatch Message-ID: The last item on the BBC news two nights ago was the story about this person who had always followed racing and who always wanted to race a car. So it was arranged and we can see from the in-car camera, this 106-old person agressively driving this sedan at 100 MPH.around Brands Hatch. SHE WILL TURN 107 NEXT MONTH ! Now you know the rest of the story. From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 28 09:35:00 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:35:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: In a message dated 03/27/2009 8:27:21 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side > pipes are ugly enough. > Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here in the fifties. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:39:19 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the regulation then what is point of printing the rules? You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the penalty for this infraction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] F1 practice > In this case it is all about "the spirit of the rules" instead of "the > letter of the rules". Mosley made it quite clear that the intent was to > limit the area of the diffusers in order to greatly decrease downforce and > thus to slow the cars down. All but 3 teams worked around that intent but > 3 > did not and used a loophole to get a much greater amount of downforce. > > During all the practices leading up to the first race, it was evident that > this was going to be an issue and it would not surprise me to find that > The > other teams have been re-engineering the diffusers in anticipation of > possibility that the FIA would rule that Brawn et al were correct in their > application of the new rule. > > The grid for this first race is indeed looking strange with the Toyotas > sent > back to the back of the field for rear wing infringement and Hamilton > losing > 5 spots (from a 15th place qualifying spot) for gearbox replacement. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > > F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have > experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track > addressing > a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board > room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by > said > technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > > >> Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser >> issue. >> Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the >> larger defusers and even out the field. >> >> But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of MadMarx >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM >> To: 'FOT' >> Subject: [Fot] F1 practice >> >> Well done Brawn. >> Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but >> after >> a while we will get used to it. >> >> Chris >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 28 09:41:45 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:41:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] F1 practice Message-ID: In a message dated 03/28/2009 9:59:54 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have > experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing > a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board > room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said > technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. > I am not sure, but I think they copied that after our USA government. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:50:53 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:50:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> Message-ID: I don't think it is a matter of enforcing the spirit if the rules as much as further defining them so that everyone is operating from the same page. I doubt any team would be opposed to using more downforce so if it is deemed that the cars using the larger diffusers are indeed legal, I am betting you will see the rest of the field with similar designs at the next race following the FIA's decision. There was some confusing information that was disseminated last year when all that wording came about and it would appear that none of the three teams that are using the larger diffusers were present when this topic was discussed in detail. So if "ignorance is bliss" applies in this case, they might get away with it when all is said and done. Regardless, it makes for some amusing and exciting scenarios as it plays out. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:39 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the regulation then what is point of printing the rules? You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the penalty for this infraction. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 10:11:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: HERMAN MUNSTER HAD A TERRIFIC LAUGH Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Herman Munster? > I remember that cool show. > In one episode they build a drag racer out of a casket and the exhaust > pipes > were taken from the organ grandfather played. > They won the race I think but the parachute was lost somehow an Herman > tried > to slow down the car with getting towed behind on his feet. They were in > flames after. > > Funny. You US people know best how to make good shows (in most cases) > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Paul MacDonald > Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 04:49 > An: steve; FOT > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Belongs to Herman Munster? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 28 10:15:57 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs Message-ID: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Fellow Diff Duffersb& As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall that Hot Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found it required about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a TR unit takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights either, but guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. All Geared up In Nor Calb& Nick From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 28 10:16:21 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs Message-ID: <8CB7DE00CC138CE-1464-2C3F@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Fellow Diff Duffersb& As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall that Hot Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found it required about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a TR unit takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights either, but guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. All Geared up In Nor Calb& Nick From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 10:21:17 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:21:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090328182030.24CC718766D@autox.team.net> I have essentially a Ford 8" rear end in my car (was done well before the Southwick conversion was developed). It fits better than a 9" would. The stock axle has a pretty small pumpkin. Not as many gear ratios available as for the 9", but the available ratios line up pretty closely with the stock Triumph ratios - 3.7, 4.11, 4.56. Much easier to replace ring and pinion than on the stock rear axle. It's still HEAVY though. Without driver in the car and with half a tank of gas my corner weights are with 5 lbs of each other, but my car's overall weight is 200 lbs heavier than Jack's car was (2150 lbs vs 1950 lbs). I think the rear axle accounts for about 100 lbs of the difference. I could replace the diff carrier with an aluminum one and save maybe 10 to 15 lbs (and lighten my wallet to boot!). Also, Detroit Lockers are plentiful for these axles. The axles used in the Southwick conversion are cut down Ford 8" axles, so that design is certainly appropriate. There's a lot of detail bits that go into installing an alternate rear axle (altered drive shaft, figuring out brake routing / bias, attachment to rear springs immediately come to mind), so I'm not sure if you save money over a Southwick conversion. You need to make sure to source one with DRUM brakes if you don't want to be bumped to the "cheatin dog" groups. - Tony At 10:13 AM 3/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Mark Pendergrass wrote: >>Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 >>hp and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" >> >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. >> >> >>>"You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that >>>wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a >>>Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. >>>Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You >>>can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen >>>complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches >>>for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote >>>and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. >>>Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost >>>equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a >>>9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." >>> >>> >>> >>>Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers >>>use the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not >>>needing the beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples >>>of TR HP. Lots of aftermarket options and you can get parts at >>>quickie marts and craigs list... >>> >>>Saying yes to spring... >>> >>>M >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >I wasn't sure of the specs but I wouldn't wish the mass of my >Mustang's narrowed 9" on any self respecting TR. On the plus side it >might move the weight distribution toward 50:50 but so would a bag >of cement in the trunk. > >I see the 8" in Nitrous burning Mustangs north of 650hp - no-doubt >with after-market upgrades. They are cheap... > >Cheers, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 28 10:22:32 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:22:32 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <55E0180F-21AD-4C60-9108-78F33C66F784@bnj.com> Diff Duffers! I like that, nice alliteration. All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. On Mar 28, 2009, at 7:15 AM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Fellow Diff Duffersb& > As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall > that Hot > Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found > it required > about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a > TR unit > takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights > either, but > guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. > > All Geared up In Nor Calb& > Nick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 28 10:25:38 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. From dave at microworks.net Sat Mar 28 10:26:19 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:26:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> Message-ID: <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> The speed may actually have more to do with the teams that started developing their 09 cars sooner are ahead of last years front running teams in the current development cycle rather then just the diffuser issue. This seems plausible if you look at the qualifying weight of the cars - now that the teams have to reveal how much fuel they have on board. Button has enough fuel to go 22 laps while Massa can only go as far as 18 laps. Kubica in the BMW will be stopping on lap 17 http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=45376 At 09:50 AM 3/28/2009, you wrote: >I don't think it is a matter of enforcing the spirit if the rules as much as >further defining them so that everyone is operating from the same page. > >I doubt any team would be opposed to using more downforce so if it is deemed >that the cars using the larger diffusers are indeed legal, I am betting you >will see the rest of the field with similar designs at the next race >following the FIA's decision. > >There was some confusing information that was disseminated last year when >all that wording came about and it would appear that none of the three teams >that are using the larger diffusers were present when this topic was >discussed in detail. So if "ignorance is bliss" applies in this case, they >might get away with it when all is said and done. > >Regardless, it makes for some amusing and exciting scenarios as it plays >out. > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:39 AM >To: Joe Curry >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > >If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the >regulation then what is point of printing the rules? > >You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers >were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which > >were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. >They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN >regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was > >possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with >each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation > >must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up >as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. > >After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then >perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the >penalty for this infraction. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 10:33:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine assembly web page In-Reply-To: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> References: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090328183215.04F2F18766D@autox.team.net> Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit lower oil level. I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. - Tony At 10:00 AM 3/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Tony, > >Thanks for taking the time to publish these pics. I am just about to >doctor my oil pan. Noticed that you went top to bottom with the >baffle for the length of the opening on one side. I understood the >comp manual says it should float 3/8" (I think) from the bottom. >Have you run this design? I like the idea. Also I am guessing there >is no need for a baffle on the other side or across the pan for hard >braking? A COTS pan (commercial off the shelf) for my mustang boxed >the pickup with trap doors which is why I was curious - overkill??? > >On the front of the pan where second peice is welded to the primary >peice, I eyeball the float off the bottom of the pan to be ~1/2"? > >Thanks again for the pics!!! > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 28 11:21:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB7DE9313DB7B7-CDC-369E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> find a guy who specializes in building stock car chassis.? these guys are wizards in tube forming and welding...usually -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap To: FOT Sent: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 7:48 am Subject: [Fot] Tube bending AMICI - I am getting ready to build a cage for my current project - 1 1/2" mild steel. Can anyone recommend a tubing bender? Type, Mfg., Source. Thanks Dennis Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From REK46 at aol.com Sat Mar 28 11:26:34 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:26:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tube bending Message-ID: where are you located? ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecred itreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3Dfebemailf ooterNO62) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 11:57:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:57:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: May well be, but the KERS issue has a lot to do with it as well. The Brawn cars are not running KERS this year and will have to do so next year. Ferrari is running the technology on both cars. Since there are a lot of issues with weight distribution when using that technology, it can cause some tradeoffs to achieving optimum results. Ferrari spent a lot of their development time on KERS while Brawn spent all their time on aerodynamic development. I wonder whether Brawn would be as fast at this time if KERS has been mandated for this season. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:26 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice The speed may actually have more to do with the teams that started developing their 09 cars sooner are ahead of last years front running teams in the current development cycle rather then just the diffuser issue. This seems plausible if you look at the qualifying weight of the cars - now that the teams have to reveal how much fuel they have on board. Button has enough fuel to go 22 laps while Massa can only go as far as 18 laps. Kubica in the BMW will be stopping on lap 17 http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=45376 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 12:00:29 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <49CE73CD.7090501@twcny.rr.com> Tony Drews wrote: > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > lower oil level. > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > - Tony > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of the hole in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left turn side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on a hard left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to picture oil moving very quickly. So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or two steps to keep it close to the pickup. The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the bottom just before the 1/" relief. At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the bottom 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to consumption or away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and on it hard? Am I overthinking this??? M From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 12:03:51 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:03:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... Message-ID: My baffling did use trap doors to keep oil around the pickup. Fill your pan to a couple inches below static level with water and walk around with it for a bit. Run it low because you'll not have normal level when running, a lot of it will be up in the engine. Rolling the pan around will give you some idea what the oil is doing on track. In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: Tony Drews wrote: > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > lower oil level. > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > - Tony > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of the hole in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left turn side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on a hard left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to picture oil moving very quickly. So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or two steps to keep it close to the pickup. The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the bottom just before the 1/" relief. At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the bottom 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to consumption or away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and on it hard? Am I overthinking this??? M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 28 12:05:14 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] An errant washer Message-ID: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> My drive-to-work, everyday car is a disreputably kept 1971 Porsche 911 T showing 329,000 miles on the odometer. The paint scheme is determined by a collection of junkyard replacements garnered by the 30+ years of utility driving. The rust is honestly earned and the myriad colors determined by natural selection. Mechanically the car is kept to reasonably high standards. Through the years the running gear has gradually been transformed into something of a sub- "S" model. Last week I spent an evening converting the air cleaners on the Weber's to a later design. This is a flat-six engine with a 3 barrel down-draft carburetor on each side. In the course of that operation a small washer fell down one of the throats of the left-hand carburetor. The throttle was closed so it didn't fall all the way through. After trying to rescue the washer with one of those magnets on a slide-shaft, I gave up. The magnet head couldn't get past the flow dividers that direct the intake swirl. There was nothing to do but pull the carburetor off and turn it upside down and shake the washer out. However whilst unclipping the throttle linkage, I accidentally opened the butterfly and, Opps, the washer dropped through the intake manifold. With the carb out of the way I could barely see the edge of the washer where it had lodged half way into the open intake valve. With the first touch of the magnet-on-a-stick inside the head, the little bugger fell into the combustion chamber! This had definitely gotten out of hand. Years ago I learned in a casino, if your luck is running sour, leave the table. So I closed the shop for the night. The next day I told my friend, Neil Estes, about my plight. His response was, "Don't worry about it, I'll get it out." In light of my anxiety, his cockiness was somewhat offensive. In any event he turned up at my shop that evening with a stainless steel wire epoxied to a small magnet out of one of those cheap little screwdrivers with a shirt pocket clip. In less than 90 seconds, at the cost of a steak dinner, he fished the errant washer out of the combustion chamber! It and the magnet now hang proudly in my shop. There's an old saw, "smart's good, luck's better." But better yet is a smart, lucky friend. Richard L. Taylor From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 12:12:08 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Very good point Joe, but with the back and forth issue of the FIA on several other points may mean that they back out of KERS also. It could happen. Interesting, and to make that point further is the crew must wait until the electronics experts discharge the car before they can work on it. How about on a quick repair in the pit lane during the race.................dum dee dum dum, or even a crash and medical team exposure to the effects. They have advocated making the minimum weight higher and that would be good for next year but better in my mind is to stop allowing the moveable boggy weight to be used. Constant weight and assigned by wheelbase dimension center point by regulation. Fixed. The smaller teams will have a hell'va time with the KERS as that will mean more people to take care of that one item. EXPENSE. Any change always incurs additional expense. You want to make racing cheaper? EASY, stop changing the rules. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 12:17:21 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:17:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Kas, I expect that KERS came about solely with the intent to make F1 appear politically correct. Since being "GREEN" is in favor around the world in these times, having some technology aimed in that direction is deemed to be a good thing in the eyes of the powers that govern F1. And it is definitely expensive so it flies in the face of the other things they are trying to accomplish. Sorta makes one say, "HMMMMM"!!! Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:12 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice Very good point Joe, but with the back and forth issue of the FIA on several other points may mean that they back out of KERS also. It could happen. Interesting, and to make that point further is the crew must wait until the electronics experts discharge the car before they can work on it. How about on a quick repair in the pit lane during the race.................dum dee dum dum, or even a crash and medical team exposure to the effects. They have advocated making the minimum weight higher and that would be good for next year but better in my mind is to stop allowing the moveable boggy weight to be used. Constant weight and assigned by wheelbase dimension center point by regulation. Fixed. The smaller teams will have a hell'va time with the KERS as that will mean more people to take care of that one item. EXPENSE. Any change always incurs additional expense. You want to make racing cheaper? EASY, stop changing the rules. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 12:17:28 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:17:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An errant washer In-Reply-To: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: Having a similar problem at the race track just before grid time I used a glob of wheel bearing grease on the screwdriver to get the devil out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: [Fot] An errant washer > My drive-to-work, everyday car is a disreputably kept 1971 Porsche 911 T > showing 329,000 miles on the odometer. The paint scheme is determined by a > collection of junkyard replacements garnered by the 30+ years of utility > driving. The rust is honestly earned and the myriad colors determined by > natural selection. > > > > Mechanically the car is kept to reasonably high standards. Through the > years > the running gear has gradually been transformed into something of a sub- > "S" > model. > > > > Last week I spent an evening converting the air cleaners on the Weber's to > a > later design. This is a flat-six engine with a 3 barrel down-draft > carburetor on each side. In the course of that operation a small washer > fell down one of the throats of the left-hand carburetor. The throttle was > closed so it didn't fall all the way through. After trying to rescue the > washer with one of those magnets on a slide-shaft, I gave up. The magnet > head couldn't get past the flow dividers that direct the intake swirl. > There > was nothing to do but pull the carburetor off and turn it upside down and > shake the washer out. > > > > However whilst unclipping the throttle linkage, I accidentally opened the > butterfly and, Opps, the washer dropped through the intake manifold. With > the carb out of the way I could barely see the edge of the washer where it > had lodged half way into the open intake valve. With the first touch of > the > magnet-on-a-stick inside the head, the little bugger fell into the > combustion chamber! This had definitely gotten out of hand. Years ago I > learned in a casino, if your luck is running sour, leave the table. So I > closed the shop for the night. > > > > The next day I told my friend, Neil Estes, about my plight. His response > was, "Don't worry about it, I'll get it out." In light of my anxiety, his > cockiness was somewhat offensive. In any event he turned up at my shop > that > evening with a stainless steel wire epoxied to a small magnet out of one > of > those cheap little screwdrivers with a shirt pocket clip. In less than 90 > seconds, at the cost of a steak dinner, he fished the errant washer out of > the combustion chamber! It and the magnet now hang proudly in my shop. > > > > There's an old saw, "smart's good, luck's better." But better yet is a > smart, lucky friend. > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 28 13:49:09 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:49:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: The whole KERS thing is a fiasco of the highest order. Would anyone really believe that an F1 car is "green"? If placating the European green political sensibilities is that important, they should just mandate diesel engines and get on with it. Or better yet, go to much smaller displacement engines and kill two birds with one stone. A 1.5 litre naturally aspirated formula would give the impression of "downsizing" for the environment, and would without doubt slow the cars down without all the aero tom-foolery we are seeing in the current formula. I miss real F1 already. Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 13:49:14 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:49:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <55E0180F-21AD-4C60-9108-78F33C66F784@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the > transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree > direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. > Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : 1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only lose 5 hp in the diff. 2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, trans, diff to full synthetic. I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The smaller Ford might not be that much worse. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 14:15:20 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here > in the fifties. Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the ends, so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust system was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 14:41:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 14:42:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: <98A7F06B65B94D70891F97D13318A35F@Bud> killing 2 birds with a stone is not green(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Joe Curry" ; "Kas Kastner" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > The whole KERS thing is a fiasco of the highest order. > > Would anyone really believe that an F1 car is "green"? > > If placating the European green political sensibilities is that important, > they should just mandate diesel engines and get on with it. > > Or better yet, go to much smaller displacement engines and kill two birds > with > one stone. A 1.5 litre naturally aspirated formula would give the > impression > of "downsizing" for the environment, and would without doubt slow the cars > down without all the aero tom-foolery we are seeing in the current > formula. > > I miss real F1 already. > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 14:42:52 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:42:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 14:49:52 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: Message-ID: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 14:52:06 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:52:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: That's how I remember it too... In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:50:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: _Gt6steve at aol.com_ (mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com) To: _budscars at comcast.net_ (mailto:budscars at comcast.net) ; _tr3driver at ca.rr.com_ (mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com) Cc: _fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _budscars at comcast.net_ (mailto:budscars at comcast.net) writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" <_tr3driver at ca.rr.com_ (mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com) > Cc: <_fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________ Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? _Make dinner for $10 or less_ (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) . **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 14:55:12 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:55:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> Message-ID: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" Lakes pipes Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat Mar 28 14:59:33 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:59:33 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: Stove pipes .... great ! where can I get em !!! ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" > > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for > decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM > To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that > lakes > was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were > like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other > cool > custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean > custom look > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > > I thought Lake was a manufacturer? > > > In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked > in > the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes > pipe"...... > How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? > Racer Bud > Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > > >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here > >> in the fifties. > > > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > > ends, > > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > > system > > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > > > Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > - > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 28 15:00:15 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <48C78FC0FFE04FD792CF68DDC7AAE79A@richardiipc> I'm with you, Randall. And the "lake" was the Bonneville Salt Lake Flats for top speed runs. The actual caps on the pipe were called Lake Plugs. I think the idea was that you drove to the Salt Lake Flats, removed the blanking plates, ran your wheels off, then capped off your lake pipes and drove home. Richard Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the ends, so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust system was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 15:06:11 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:06:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Still another opinion was in this link: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/51874 Question: What are "lake pipes" in the lyric, "And she purrs like a kitten 'till the lake pipes roar" in the song Little Deuce Coupe by The Beach Boys? Answer: Lake Pipes are (or were) an aftermarket chrome exterior exhaust system made by Lake maufacturing in the 50's and 60's. Commonly called "Side Pipes" Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM To: 'RACER BUD'; Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" Lakes pipes Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:06:53 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <6CDAF96FA92440A2953B08CD7449F62E@Bud> that will look really cool....If we can find just 1 old photo of a Triumph racing with a tall smokestack..we can all start running with them Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: "Joe Curry" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Stove pipes .... great ! where can I get em !!! ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" >> >> Lakes pipes >> Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for >> decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM >> To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that >> lakes >> was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they >> were >> like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other >> cool >> custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean >> custom look >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gt6steve at aol.com >> To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >> I thought Lake was a manufacturer? >> >> >> In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> budscars at comcast.net writes: >> lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked >> in >> the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes >> pipe"...... >> How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? >> Racer Bud >> Spitfire #21 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >> >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> >> in the fifties. >> > >> > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on >> the >> > ends, >> > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust >> > system >> > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. >> > >> > Randall >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> - >> Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:08:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Still another opinion was in this link: > > http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/51874 > > > Question: > What are "lake pipes" in the lyric, "And she purrs like a kitten 'till > the > lake pipes roar" in the song Little Deuce Coupe by The Beach Boys? > > Answer: > Lake Pipes are (or were) an aftermarket chrome exterior exhaust system > made by Lake maufacturing in the 50's and 60's. Commonly called "Side > Pipes" > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM > To: 'RACER BUD'; Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" > > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for > decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Mar 28 15:10:44 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. I vote total restoration! ----- Original Message ----- From: steve Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: FOT > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 15:12:31 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:12:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <1D2FA78DB2B9422F9463898734F094C2@joepentiumnew> Here is what Wikipedia has to say: Lake pipes Also known as side pipes, lake pipes are exhaust pipes, normally brightly chromed, which exit the front wheel arch of a car and then pass down the sill/rocker panel, finally opening sideways in front of the rear wheel. They are sometimes seen on custom cars and hot rods. Cars in series production which are equipped with sidepipes include the Dodge Viper and the Mercedes SLR McLaren, last one having sidepipes which end behind the front wheels. Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:13:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40CF29B684D54096940658F6AB851286@Bud> sounds pretty much like a straight pipe race car... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer > driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? > > Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. > > I vote total restoration! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: FOT > >> Hold onto your socks! >> >> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 15:14:11 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <5A4B1E0E06A84351A569F6A18AD0CE27@joepentiumnew> This is a family Forum! :) -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:08 PM To: Joe Curry; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:15:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:15:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> <5A4B1E0E06A84351A569F6A18AD0CE27@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: that's not what it is Joe.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > This is a family Forum! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:08 PM > To: Joe Curry; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ > Racer Bud From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat Mar 28 15:17:00 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:17:00 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer > driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? > > Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. > > I vote total restoration! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: FOT > >> Hold onto your socks! >> >> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From niteseeker at aol.com Sat Mar 28 15:20:22 2009 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <8EBFBCAF-2A60-4A1F-9295-B20473347E79@aol.com> If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had the on his race car. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 15:20:27 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090328231943.A285E187673@autox.team.net> From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:25:03 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:25:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: ; "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out ..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "steve" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer >> driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? >> >> Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. >> >> I vote total restoration! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: steve >> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> To: FOT >> >>> Hold onto your socks! >>> >>> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ~Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 15:25:55 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:25:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: And now...something completely different: I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? Is there a reason for this? Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very short compact tails. Any idea? Cheers Chris From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:26:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: this is definetely a fun and Motley Crew! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "TR4Tony" ; ; "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date > taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you > kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S > DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later > on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT > IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TR4Tony" > To: ; "steve" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out >> ..... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "steve" >> Cc: "FOT" >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >>> Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer >>> driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? >>> >>> Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. >>> >>> I vote total restoration! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: steve >>> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm >>> Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >>> To: FOT >>> >>>> Hold onto your socks! >>>> >>>> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~Steve >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 15:27:39 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:27:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: Sounds pretty close to what I was thinking! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM To: TR4Tony; alfetta95 at optonline.net; steve Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY RB From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:29:32 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:29:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: <562008E221114A6DBD16ED100472D1AB@Bud> that's probably the 'New Improved Johnson Rod RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'TR4Tony'" ; ; "'steve'" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Sounds pretty close to what I was thinking! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM > To: TR4Tony; alfetta95 at optonline.net; steve > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date > taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you > kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S > DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later > on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT > IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY > RB From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 15:33:53 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? Say it's not true! Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:37:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <57D6E400BC3C49A483B38F48C4C6691C@Bud> didn't the Chevy Nomad station wagon come stock with functional Lakes? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Lakes pipes >> Nonfunctional side pipes > > You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? > > Say it's not true! > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sat Mar 28 16:08:17 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:08:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I always thought lake pipes were capped low restriction pipes that bypassed the restrictive mufflers and were uncapped when you went out to a performance event at a dry lake, such as Murroc. Bill On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 "Randall" writes: > > Lakes pipes > > Nonfunctional side pipes > > You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? > > Say it's not true! > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Our detailing supplies really shine. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNlxJ5jyjFIbIDol4diGdQb6SS8k9zHN8RlndPCYOL8hdZemVN0IY/ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:12:45 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <3B634E2C1D3D4713966A219FDAF09C49@joepentiumnew> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was the Beach Boys who got it wrong. Jan and Dean just repeated the error. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:34 PM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? Say it's not true! Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 17:19:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:19:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LOOKING FOR VINTAGE TRIUMPH TRADE Message-ID: Hi gang..I would like to trade my 1965 Honda 305 Scrambler..calif. black plate currently registered and insured for a small vintage driver street car(pre-1976 & registered preferrred)..or a small vintage race car..I paid about 3300-3400 for the bike about 2+ years ago..very nice bike..probably needs valve guide because it smokes when first started after it has been sitting for a while..runs and looks very good...let me know if you'd like a photo Weird cars Ok with me! Racer Bud..sonoma, ca. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 18:10:41 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes In-Reply-To: <8EBFBCAF-2A60-4A1F-9295-B20473347E79@aol.com> Message-ID: <267776.29100.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but still loud. The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided restriction where you did not want it. Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result of a designed, tuned exhaust .... Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's .... All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... jm2cw Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: From: dick ross Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: "triumph club club" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had the on his race car. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 18:26:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes References: <267776.29100.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88CD87E8DE33428CAC1344B9855E25D0@Bud> were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had > lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran > them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, > but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, > pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily > opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or > 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate > type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of > them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the > result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we > mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the > 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many > show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange > had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 18:37:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! great old days Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >I always thought lake pipes were capped low restriction pipes that > bypassed the restrictive mufflers and were uncapped when you went out to > a performance event at a dry lake, such as Murroc. > Bill > > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 "Randall" > writes: >> > Lakes pipes >> > Nonfunctional side pipes >> >> You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? >> >> Say it's not true! >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Our detailing supplies really shine. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNlxJ5jyjFIbIDol4diGdQb6SS8k9zHN8RlndPCYOL8hdZemVN0IY/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 19:08:06 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <3B634E2C1D3D4713966A219FDAF09C49@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was > the Beach Boys who got it wrong. Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their "Surf City" album in 1964. Randall From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Mar 28 19:09:49 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> My first TR was a TR4A that I restored when I was 15... in 1977. (Funny to think that a 10 year old car needed a total restoration!) Long story short.... I set up that engine nearly full race.... and as a teen... I used to street race any car that I could find willing to give it a shot... Yes, I would smoke 289 Mustangs and leave them in the dust. I pretty much beat just about anything I raced. I recall racing a Corvette.... and we were neck and neck between lights and he never could pull ahead. He yelled through his window, "What the hell have you got under that hood?" I'd smile and said, "stock". (Okay, so it wasn't really stock, but it was the original motor!) They just didn't expect it from a little wire-wheeled TR! My favorite street race was with a Sunbeam Tiger. At first, I couldn't get this old guy to go for it... (LOL, that "old guy" was probably about as old as I am now!) I kept revving my motor and taunting him between lights, but he just wouldn't race. Finally, after about 3 lights... he knodded his okay... and we watched the cross-lights.... green-amber-red-GOOOOO!!!! I dropped the clutch and catapulted off the line. We were neck to neck! I chirped it into second....chirped into third... and before I knew it, bam I was in fourth.... YES... we're talking well over 100.... and I looked over... and he was right next to me... I thought I had him at a tie.... but then... I heard it.... He still had another gear.... So he pulled ahead of me, but we ran out of runway and stopped at the next light. You could see he was exhilarated. And he was also impressed that my little four-banger had matched his V8. He just beat me at the top end.. There's a lot more stories like that, but then I'd have to worry about indictments being handed down. --Justin RACER BUD wrote: > Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San > Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self > done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' > suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a > race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who > knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between > signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift > the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so > fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! > great old days > Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:10:46 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <5FF4B7BB898841D89AB0DAD17235EFFB@Bud> OK RANDALL..now you've done it...I'm switching my vinyl from Mozart to BEACH BOYS. LDC..right now Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. > > Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by > Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. > > But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" > Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their > "Surf City" album in 1964. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:13:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. > > Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by > Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. > > But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" > Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their > "Surf City" album in 1964. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 19:20:18 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> Message-ID: <549F5ADC45124F02AADB621EEAA0A29D@KasPC> Dry LAKE beds (Mojave desert) used for high speed runs and you had a neat plate you could remove and make it a straight through exhaust system. Easy to use and LOUD. When you had the money you went to Bonneville and tried the Salt flats. But up there no one cared how loud it was. (no people for twenty miles) Early 50's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >>> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >>> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. >> >> Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made >> by >> Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. >> >> But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" >> Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their >> "Surf City" album in 1964. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:36:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> <549F5ADC45124F02AADB621EEAA0A29D@KasPC> Message-ID: <31731DDC743542E4B99EF528E33A66EC@Bud> I know there's a Dry Lakes vintage speed group in Ca...I don't recall the name of it? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Dry LAKE beds (Mojave desert) used for high speed runs and you had a neat > plate you could remove and make it a straight through exhaust system. Easy > to use and LOUD. When you had the money you went to Bonneville and tried > the Salt flats. But up there no one cared how loud it was. (no people for > twenty miles) Early 50's. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >>>> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >>>> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. >>> >>> Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made >>> by >>> Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the >>> lyrics. >>> >>> But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with >>> "Jan" >>> Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their >>> "Surf City" album in 1964. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:43:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SCTA Home Page Message-ID: <90BC37010C134A1E92A4D72170E8B0D8@Bud> this is the link. to the vintage speed stuff..SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TIMING ASSOCIATION http://www.scta-bni.org/ Racer Bud P.S. ..there's a vintage Austin Healey Bonneville car being restored to RACE as I speak From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 20:12:28 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes In-Reply-To: <88CD87E8DE33428CAC1344B9855E25D0@Bud> Message-ID: <391604.3420.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> street racing??? Denver ... when I was going to school ... the pic??? I think that one was taken at Grattan some time ago .. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, "triumph club club" , "dick ross" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:26 PM were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 20:15:38 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> isnt it amazing that we all survived our own "kidhood"??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Justin Wagner wrote: From: Justin Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: "RACER BUD" Cc: fot at autox.team.net, tr3driver at ca.rr.com Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:09 PM My first TR was a TR4A that I restored when I was 15... in 1977. (Funny to think that a 10 year old car needed a total restoration!) Long story short.... I set up that engine nearly full race.... and as a teen... I used to street race any car that I could find willing to give it a shot... Yes, I would smoke 289 Mustangs and leave them in the dust. I pretty much beat just about anything I raced. I recall racing a Corvette.... and we were neck and neck between lights and he never could pull ahead. He yelled through his window, "What the hell have you got under that hood?" I'd smile and said, "stock". (Okay, so it wasn't really stock, but it was the original motor!) They just didn't expect it from a little wire-wheeled TR! My favorite street race was with a Sunbeam Tiger. At first, I couldn't get this old guy to go for it... (LOL, that "old guy" was probably about as old as I am now!) I kept revving my motor and taunting him between lights, but he just wouldn't race. Finally, after about 3 lights... he knodded his okay... and we watched the cross-lights.... green-amber-red-GOOOOO!!!! I dropped the clutch and catapulted off the line. We were neck to neck! I chirped it into second....chirped into third... and before I knew it, bam I was in fourth.... YES... we're talking well over 100.... and I looked over... and he was right next to me... I thought I had him at a tie.... but then... I heard it.... He still had another gear.... So he pulled ahead of me, but we ran out of runway and stopped at the next light. You could see he was exhilarated. And he was also impressed that my little four-banger had matched his V8. He just beat me at the top end.. There's a lot more stories like that, but then I'd have to worry about indictments being handed down. --Justin RACER BUD wrote: > Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! > great old days > Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:33:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes References: <391604.3420.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1BA8756E8F6C44B09948538E0E1582F0@Bud> Does the name RON CHISHOLM ring a bell? Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: triumph club club ; dick ross ; RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes street racing??? Denver ... when I was going to school ... the pic??? I think that one was taken at Grattan some time ago .. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, "triumph club club" , "dick ross" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:26 PM were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 20:42:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: <20090329044154.5A740187678@autox.team.net> It's rear downforce for them. Those are basically old Nascar cars from the prior spec. They are particular in inspection about how far they can have the rear spoiler stick up in the air as a larger spoiler or larger angle gives them an unfair advantage. If you look at the bodies closely, they've done some interesting things. The front of the car isn't symmetrical so they can get more front downforce. - Tony At 05:25 PM 3/28/2009, MadMarx wrote: >And now...something completely different: > >I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. >I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? >Is there a reason for this? >Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very >short compact tails. > >Any idea? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 22:13:02 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:13:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F080F74DF1347B781112B339F5E1054@joepentiumnew> Speak for yourself, Tom. I am still struggling to get my "kidhood" behind me. Joe C. BTW, were you ever able to use that head I sent to you about 10 or 12 years ago? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom strange Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:16 PM To: RACER BUD; Justin Wagner Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior isnt it amazing that we all survived our own "kidhood"??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 01:14:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:14:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A different view from Europe: As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track surfaces are too rough and bumpy in USA? Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race the other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will break after a while. In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 01:19:41 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:19:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've done my cage by myself, but did do the bending by professional. It cost me $50 to get the bended tubes and this was normal price and no discount. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 18:26 An: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tube bending We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 01:33:09 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:33:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Question: Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? Situation: Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the engine run again? Cheers Chris From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 29 01:40:28 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:40:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: <20090329094137.298B118766D@autox.team.net> Discussion on that topic on these sites. http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6460&start=0 http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131631&page=2 Great result for Jensen and the Brawn team. Also Ruben fighting back from his near stall. Can't believe how impatient Kubica was. He had Vettel easy. No need to do what he did. At 01:33 AM 3/29/2009, MadMarx wrote: >Question: > >Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? >Situation: >Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the >engine run again? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 01:44:56 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: <49ceee43.8953f10a.4dd9.ffff9c86SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> <49ceee43.8953f10a.4dd9.ffff9c86SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Right, the front is looking like deformed and wheels seems to have different camber. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 05:43 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARCA cars It's rear downforce for them. Those are basically old Nascar cars from the prior spec. They are particular in inspection about how far they can have the rear spoiler stick up in the air as a larger spoiler or larger angle gives them an unfair advantage. If you look at the bodies closely, they've done some interesting things. The front of the car isn't symmetrical so they can get more front downforce. - Tony At 05:25 PM 3/28/2009, MadMarx wrote: >And now...something completely different: > >I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. >I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? >Is there a reason for this? >Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very >short compact tails. > >Any idea? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 29 07:07:51 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CF80B7.1020600@twcny.rr.com> Steve's idea is an absolutely great idea. I mocked up a few designs and if you forget the neighbors eyeballing you as you spin in the front yard with an oil pan spilling water everywhere, you immediately see what is going on. Its amazing, how quickly the pan evacuates in "left turns" with a static baffles I tried so far. I was able to see why an extra quart works in Tony's design. Use a cardboard template covered with packing tape to keep the water out for a little while. Then use duct tape to hold it to the pan - works very well. A mapp gas torch drys the pan quickly between design changes. Thanks to those that sent pics - I'll mock them up today. Thanks again, M Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > My baffling did use trap doors to keep oil around the pickup. Fill > your pan to a couple inches below static level with water and walk > around with it for a bit. Run it low because you'll not have normal > level when running, a lot of it will be up in the engine. > > Rolling the pan around will give you some idea what the oil is doing > on track. > > In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: > > Tony Drews wrote: > > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 > if I > > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the > baffle. I > > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a > while. > > > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > > lower oil level. > > > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It > ended > > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the > pan > > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > > > - Tony > > > > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to > myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of > the hole > in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; > wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left > turn > side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on > a hard > left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to > picture oil moving very quickly. > > So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan > instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or > two > steps to keep it close to the pickup. > > The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a > couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the > "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the > bottom just before the 1/" relief. > > At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the > bottom > 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to > consumption or > away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and > on it > hard? > > Am I overthinking this??? > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 29 07:48:01 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Hmmm, sort of like an old inertia starter for aircraft. It should work as it's calculated at 80bhp, but I imagine it has rather not much torque. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice Question: Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? Situation: Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the engine run again? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 29 08:23:23 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >> All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >> transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >> direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >> Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. > > I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : > > 1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so > TRs > will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW > if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might > only > lose 5 hp in the diff. > > 2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot > Rod > also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting > engine, > trans, diff to full synthetic. > > I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. > The > smaller Ford might not be that much worse. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 29 09:21:15 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:21:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 09:46:20 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:46:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I would use GL5 oil. The diffs are very stressed during racing, GL4 might come to its limits. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:21 An: BOB KRAMER Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 29 09:50:19 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall><6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer><20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <75058451585342E3A9F0860B264A3D5A@joepentiumnew> Doesn't GL-5 have sulfites in it? If so, that could cause damage to the brass parts in the diff. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:46 AM To: 'Tony Drews'; 'BOB KRAMER' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I would use GL5 oil. The diffs are very stressed during racing, GL4 might come to its limits. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:21 An: BOB KRAMER Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 09:52:12 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:52:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >A different view from Europe: > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > surfaces > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > the > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > break after a while. > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 09:55:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:55:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Message-ID: Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 09:59:09 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:59:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the Yoko A048 is more consistent. >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder than we do? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >A different view from Europe: > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > surfaces > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > the > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > break after a while. > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 29 10:07:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:07:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0653FD948943438DADEF5F6E7AC3F6F5@joepentiumnew> I think I saw that car on a Cable TV show recently detailing how it was built. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:56 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 29 10:28:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:28:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: <48AF1E19-B74C-4C8B-B07B-EF1DE6FF3727@bnj.com> I doubt that. there's a lot of variation in tracks as far as surface goes. Sebring is one of the worst. On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: >> From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they >> are a > little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance > the > Yoko A048 is more consistent. >> From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive >> harder > than we do? > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 > An: MadMarx; 'FOT' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I > wonder if we > > run on stickier tires than you guys do? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >> A different view from Europe: >> >> As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track >> surfaces >> are too rough and bumpy in USA? >> Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring >> race >> the >> other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our >> axles will >> break after a while. >> In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in >> good >> condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 29 10:34:05 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:34:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sure would be fun being an apprentice with that guy. You could pick up a lot just by osmosis. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: March 29, 2009 12:56 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 29 10:56:21 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:56:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR Gbox cases Message-ID: Amici, I've heard the latest cases were the strongest and should be used for building an important gearboxes. Where do the CC series boxes fit into this scheme? Suitable? Secondly, dioes anyone know about converting to Stag style thrust bearings instead of thrust washers? **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 29 11:53:06 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: <20090329195222.17F9E187659@autox.team.net> I think part of the cause are the long sweeping high speed corners, especially the carousel at Road America. You are in the corner for many seconds at the limit of traction. Sebring is probably the worst from a smoothness standpoint, the corner between the back straight and the front straight is amazingly bumpy. Grattan is rough on the cars. IRP had some major bumps, although they smoothed out the left / right combination going into the hairpin. Some tracks would be FIA approved, some not, I suspect. - Tony At 11:59 AM 3/29/2009, MadMarx wrote: > >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a >little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the >Yoko A048 is more consistent. > >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder >than we do? > >Chris > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 >An: MadMarx; 'FOT' >Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > >Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we > >run on stickier tires than you guys do? >Racer Bud >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MadMarx" >To: "'FOT'" >Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > > >A different view from Europe: > > > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > > surfaces > > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > > the > > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > > break after a while. > > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Mar 29 16:57:21 2009 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:57:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR Diffs Message-ID: One of the TR Kas books gave a part number for the correct GM locker oil, and I used it for many years until they took the whale oil out of it, and I had my only two Detroit Locker failures in short order. The locker pieces need a cushion if you go all out with slicks; I highly recommend Redline shockproof, and saving your thin oil for other applications. Hardy From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: fot at autox.team.net I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 19:25:56 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <451573775.1301461238379956072.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use Redline heavy shockproof in both the gearbox and diff.B No problems with either for 6 years now (knock on wood). as for sticky tyres...it depends on what series your run and the allowance, the vintage groups probably run the same types of tyres, DOT style hoosiers, avons or yoko's.B These are all a bit less sticky and also narrowerB than the Hoosier and Good Year Bias ply slicks used by the current SCCA racers. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:59:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the Yoko A048 is more consistent. >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder than we do? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Mar 29 19:57:43 2009 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36.76.13585.82530D94@smtp03.embarq.synacor.com> Hi Hardy, I'm a big fan of the redline shockproof oils. They are especially good in dog ring transmissions. I've used them in Hewland transmissions, BMW M/C trannys and rears, and Detroit lockers; all with good results. At 07:57 PM 3/29/2009, Catpusher at aol.com wrote: >One of the TR Kas books gave a part number for the correct GM locker oil, >and I used it for many years until they took the whale oil out of >it, and I had >my only two Detroit Locker failures in short order. The locker pieces need a >cushion if you go all out with slicks; I highly recommend Redline shockproof, >and saving your thin oil for other applications. > >Hardy > >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >To: "BOB KRAMER" >Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle >with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding >is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, >unlike our transmissions. > >- Tony Drews > > >**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or >less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 29 20:22:30 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Looking for 1954 TR2 Message-ID: <49D03AF6.6000905@greenheart.com> Hello all.... I'm looking for a barn-find type long door TR2.... It should be the sort of old beater that's tired enough to bring the price to something less than $5K, but it's vital that it's a sun-belt TR.. low rust. The future of the car would be 1/2 donor for a current long door TR2 project, but a possible vintage racer for the core vehicle. So it would be a win-win. In the short term, it may yield some vital organs (misc. parts) for one car, and in the future, it would be brought back to life itself. So low price, low rust.... They're out there somewhere. I always seem to find them a few weeks after they were sold to someone else! : ) If you know of a vehicle like this, sitting around somewhere, please help me to make contact with the owner. --Justin From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Mar 30 00:29:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage Message-ID: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> In case anyone is interested, I documented the installation of my TR-4 drivetrain (which I performed over the last couple of weekends) here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_Installation.htm - Tony Drews From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 06:11:13 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. Curious, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 30 06:23:02 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs In-Reply-To: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903300623r43986d1dj3ea048c9687d353e@mail.gmail.com> Depending on the source I've heard people complaining about the cast/material on some. http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/12/crap-fest-2.html A. 2009/3/30 : > Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. > > Curious, > Bob T. > '64 Spit GT? autocrosser > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 30 06:41:38 2009 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:41:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs Message-ID: <9240880.1238420498362.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I have some great alloy hubs. They are made from 7071 billit aluminum and hard anodized. Ben using them for years with no problems. Pictures are at www.chequeredflagracing.net thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: robertten1 at aol.com >Sent: Mar 30, 2009 6:11 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs > > Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. > >Curious, >Bob T. >'64 Spit GT? autocrosser > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Mar 30 06:51:29 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:51:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage In-Reply-To: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> References: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001a01c9b13e$a18f94c0$e4aebe40$@com> I notice that you didn't remove the steering rack clamps and tip the steering rack forward to get more clearance for the oil pan. We do this and it really helps. But, we have the finned aluminum oil pan that is deeper than the stock sheet metal one. Anyone with clearance problems at the front on installation should consider this. Simple to do. Only took me about 2 or 3 installations to get smart and do it!! Sometimes you just have to stop and think a little bit. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage In case anyone is interested, I documented the installation of my TR-4 drivetrain (which I performed over the last couple of weekends) here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_Installation.ht m - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 30 09:37:33 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:37:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] TVM Intake Manifolds Needed TR4 Message-ID: List, I have an enquiry from the UK about the availability of TVM intake manifolds. Can anyone give me some information on this? Two sets are needed. Thanks, Joe A > Another question for you.......I am in need of additional Inlet manifolds, > preferably the 'TVM' made ones. Do you by chance have a souce for these > manifolds? I am looking for 2 sets, one set for my new engine and a spare set. From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Mar 30 09:57:15 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:57:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good day at track Message-ID: <20090330175616.ECFF2187666@autox.team.net> Saturday, March 28, was a test and tune day at our local roadcourse in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I took out my 1970 Triumph TR6 racecar project for the first time to run in the engine and sort things out. On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give it a solid 9. Nothing broke or overheated and no big leaks. Need a couple of small adjustments and re-think a couple of choices but all-in-all I was very happy. For family and reasons I have had to take the past two racing seasons off (one reason was having been T-boned by a semi truck in 2006 while driving my 1974 street TR6) but I am looking forward to getting back into the thick of things. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 45401 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02327.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02329.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02334.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02333.JPG] From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 30 10:02:55 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TVM Intake Manifolds Needed TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List, > > I have an enquiry from the UK about the availability of TVM intake manifolds. > Can anyone give me some information on this? Might that be "TWM"?? if so: http://www.twminduction.com/Catalogs/manifolds.html But it looks like they sold the manifolds business to Pierce Manifolds. http://piercemanifolds.com > Two sets are needed. > > Thanks, > > Joe A Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From REK46 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 11:53:07 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:53:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals Message-ID: Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62% 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 30 12:02:55 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: Check ebay items #'s 220377159534 , 400000553224 , 110369761504 , 380110315012 Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get > in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them > but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick > rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 13:36:40 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: <021501c9b177$3b92a2a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, check with Dave at TRF, he may be able to help you out. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D6 2% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 14:34:57 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: <022101c9b17f$5fcc5780$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi again, indeed Dave can help you at TRF 800 678-8764 The number for theTR3 is RFP 45, on sale for around $4.00 The TR4 number is RFP 2, around $9.00. No financial interest other than getting out info to the gang. Thanks, Bill P.S. Snow should be gone tomorrow!---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D6 2% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 19:04:18 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:04:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Quote of the day Message-ID: <000301c9b1a5$010932b0$031b9810$@racer@comcast.net> >From the current issue of MOTORSPORT magazine and the article about the Shadow CanAm cars: "Racing is a disease. If you catch it, it doesn't go away.but beer helps" Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 21:00:41 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Message-ID: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Mar 31 06:13:28 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:13:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113C855@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113C855@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CB80199DF0C53A-D34-6F4@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Mk1 - early Mk4 and GT6 Mk1 - Plus had 6 studs, pre- swing spring.? The whole spring assembly mounted to the diff.? Where as the later swing spring had only the main leaf mounted to the diff with the rest of the leaves pivoting in a housing above the main leaf.? If you look in a repair or parts manual you will see what I am describing. Thank you, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:26 am Subject: RE: [Fot] diff dimentions I don't know that I've ever seen a 6-stud diff on a Spitfire. I thought those were just the GT6 diffs. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 31 11:08:30 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Message-ID: Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 31 12:15:53 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll second. He's bound to be fast with a name like that. Mike Munson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 06:02:00 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 12:27:15 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson References: Message-ID: <72871.48036.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seconded. ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:08:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 12:28:25 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310745.12012.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With a name as great as Munson .... I'll happily second ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Tue, 3/31/09, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:08 PM Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 12:29:08 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Listers, > > A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race > project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. > > BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net > > In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his > vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. This is probably not needed, as the nomination is from the Grand Poobah - but SECOND. Welcome, Barry! > Regards, > > Joe A Regards, rml p.s. any relation to our own Mike Munson? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 14:24:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:24:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the nuts need? Any suggestions? THX Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 15:03:46 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the > nuts need? > Any suggestions? If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. My wheels were bored to 3" and I use spacers that do not have a locating lug - and the lugnuts used to work loose as described above. > THX > > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 15:12:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > >> After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the >> nuts need? >> Any suggestions? > > If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. > > If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you > drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. Clarification - once you re-torque, things seem to be okay 'till you take the wheels off again. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 15:21:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:21:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bolting is the same as with the Revolution wheels. I never had any trouble with the Revos. After the first practice I might found a little retightening but not much turn. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 00:13 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > >> After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the >> nuts need? >> Any suggestions? > > If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. > > If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you > drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. Clarification - once you re-torque, things seem to be okay 'till you take the wheels off again. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 15:23:28 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ken Gillanders where are you Message-ID: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Has anyone heard from Ken at BFE ? I put in a parts order over a week ago with no response and his phone goes to voicemail ever since. I hope he's OK, we spoke around the 20th and he didn't mention going out of town. He was expecting an order and I'm sure he would have mentioned something. Jim G From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:42:53 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:42:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ken Gillanders where are you In-Reply-To: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I spoke with him this morning, and placed an order. He is definitely around! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2009, at 3:23 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone heard from Ken at BFE ? I put in a parts order over a > week ago with no response > > and his phone goes to voicemail ever since. I hope he's OK, we spoke > around the 20th and he didn't mention > > going out of town. He was expecting an order and I'm sure he would > have mentioned something. > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Tue Mar 31 16:23:29 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For just a second there I thought someone (else) had considered running a Triumph in the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/ Some friends and I are putting together a team, but, alas, it is not to be TR based. We are, however, considering the construction of a LeMons UnliMited Prototype that might have some TR bits in it for the '10 Lemons racing season. iii 2009/3/31 MadMarx : > After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the > nuts need? > Any suggestions? > > THX > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 31 16:53:37 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen a TR7 listed.. http://jalopnik.com/5125155/24-hours-of-lemons-arse-freeze+a+palooza- ber-gallery-british-steel I probably have enough parts to do a franken-spit (spit with a ford 302), akin to the franken-miata, although I don't think I could make it as "franken"... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:23 PM, robert bownes wrote: For just a second there I thought someone (else) had considered running a Triumph in the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/ Some friends and I are putting together a team, but, alas, it is not to be TR based. We are, however, considering the construction of a LeMons UnliMited Prototype that might have some TR bits in it for the '10 Lemons racing season. iii From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 20:34:04 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch master Message-ID: Hello folks can anyone tell me the bore size on a stock tr-6 clutch master thanks rob From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 20:41:58 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:41:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 31 20:42:02 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch master In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090401034201.TFGL17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Hello folks can anyone tell me the bore size on a stock tr-6 > clutch master Early .75", later .70" Randall From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 31 20:54:34 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:54:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> What am I, chopped liver?? :) I second both Mac and Rick.? Both are great guys and fine additions to our (un)group. John, do you have their email addresses? Chuck Gee Spitfirte Racer -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:41 pm Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Mar 31 21:58:11 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:58:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> I think this is an April fools Hooliganism. I wasn't asked to extend a second but, hey my oil isn't warmed enough yet..... By the way... last three events.... I did ok ... Same engine. ... I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans #1 piston or rod. They sort broke off the before the front straight. The two large holes in the side of the block visually confirm the tachometer. Should put it on u tube. Is this nomination deal like a ponzy scheme? I nominate one who then begets three others... \ I suppose these guys are ok in my book albeit on the appendix section. m www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:58:49 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312158t2e0385f0tc931b640c9853a6f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Chuck: Chopped liver? No, you're more like chopped steak, about the size of a Porterhouse I think. Mac's address is alecmacarthur at verizon.net Rick's is shearicko at aol.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > > What am I, chopped liver? :) > > I second both Mac and Rick. Both are great guys and fine additions to our > (un)group. > > John, do you have their email addresses? > > Chuck Gee > Spitfirte Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:41 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racingwww.capecoventryracing.com > > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:02:39 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:02:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312202r565461bdm412f05b0d6c3488b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Dr. Dunst: There is an appendix for those members not otherwise deemed fully qualified? And although your reliability has improved (notwithstanding Aaron's ventilated block) the key is that you *might *blow up at any time not that you actually do. It's a little like watching a Farah Fawcett interview, you never know when the train will derail and start an attendant tire fire. And by the way, I thought that for every new member you get a coupon good for 10% off at Moss or the Roadster Factory. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Gasket Works wrote: > I think this is an April fools Hooliganism. > > I wasn't asked to extend a second but, hey my oil isn't warmed enough > yet..... > > By the way... last three events.... I did ok ... Same engine. ... I did > break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans > #1 > piston or rod. They sort broke off the before the front straight. The two > large holes in the side of the block visually confirm the tachometer. > Should put it on u tube. > > Is this nomination deal like a ponzy scheme? I nominate one who then > begets > three others... > \ > I suppose these guys are ok in my book albeit on the appendix section. > > m > > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Nikas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:41 PM > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable > but > > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph > TR4 > > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot > be > > all bad. > > > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not > life) > > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the > Hall > > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should > be > > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a > la > > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a > fine > > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the > 24 > > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while > still > > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > > addition. > > > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > > Smock) second these? > > > > -- > > Very truly yours, > > > > John Nikas > > Cape Coventry Racing > > www.capecoventryracing.com > > (949) 375-6306 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From Group44TR7 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 07:35:06 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:35:06 EST Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event Message-ID: Good Morning Having hope for someone to put together a Group 44 Reunion for years, it is ironically taking place at a date when I am heavily conflicted with other business/sports activities, have left my racing license expire, and least comfortable with the expenses for commercially transporting the cars to and from Atlanta. If anyone knows of a West Coast base racing shop that might have room in their trailers, please let me know. Cary **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 1 08:41:38 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cary I sure hope something comes your way. It would certainly be a sight to have all the Group 44 Wedges in one place. I'll buy a poster... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Group44TR7 at aol.com Sent: March 1, 2009 9:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event Good Morning Having hope for someone to put together a Group 44 Reunion for years, it is ironically taking place at a date when I am heavily conflicted with other business/sports activities, have left my racing license expire, and least comfortable with the expenses for commercially transporting the cars to and from Atlanta. If anyone knows of a West Coast base racing shop that might have room in their trailers, please let me know. Cary **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 10:52:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:52:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Race / HP Parts Message-ID: spitfire racing stuff on San francisco bay area craigs list Racer Bud http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/1054529677.html From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 1 16:29:59 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion Message-ID: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> Bill had his son (Billy) create a web site for his TR Transmission Conversion. Lot's of pictures and details http://www.eaglegatellc.com From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 00:43:13 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713498.17759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> B I have a set of four old Carroll Shelby Minilite imitation rims that have the following dimensions on my modified TR-6 autocross car. B 15b diameter by 8.5b wide with 3.7b setback B I purchased these rims from British Frame and Engine many moons ago. B Until the end of last season I was running Hoosier 225/45ZR15 A6 auto-X tires with no rubbing.B This year I have mounted up a set of 275/35ZR15 Hoosier A6 tyres and still have no interference problems. B -Jim Prettyleaf B B --- On Fri, 2/27/09, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 To: "FOT" , "Triumph List" Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:26 PM Has anybody run a set of 15 x 8 wheels on their big TR? If so what offset worked for you? Thanks, Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 02:14:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:14:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion In-Reply-To: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> References: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: How cruel to cut off the bell housing of a TR gearbox. Why not creating a new bell housing? The casting shouldn't cost much. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von David W. Riddle Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mdrz 2009 00:30 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion Bill had his son (Billy) create a web site for his TR Transmission Conversion. Lot's of pictures and details From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 2 11:14:01 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material Message-ID: Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other interior trim pieces? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 2 11:18:00 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] head porting Message-ID: <022d01c99b63$39925a10$f2c11a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> Bill Boemler machined the large diameter at the face so that he could press in a piece of pipe whose inner dia matched the small side. Results: constant dia port at the face. He was an SCCA national driver and got tore down on occasion. an inspector saw the fix and when he questioned Bill on it, Bill said he was experiencing gasket failures there and the pipe fixed it. The inspector bit and Bill did not get gigged. art de armond From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 2 12:23:17 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material References: Message-ID: <9C8E6C79481A464DA5B5557541B26C52@Charly> Moss sells them. 644-540 $32.95 GLOVEBOX, LH Note: 1 644-550 $32.95 GLOVEBOX, RH Note: ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other > interior trim pieces? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 13:00:20 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Glove Box Door Message-ID: <151611.61098.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ........and speaking of glove boxes. Does anyone have a steel glove box door with hinges, latch, and or thumb pull for a steel dash TR4. I am using a TR4 dash in my current racecar project. Thanks Dennis DeLap From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Mar 3 16:01:17 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (RDM) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:01:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> I thought everybody might enjoy this: http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in Austin, TX Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. Robert MacKenzie '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 14:34:42 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:34:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Always the same - the TR 6 always must do a show ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von RDM Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mdrz 2009 00:01 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Hillclimb Video I thought everybody might enjoy this: http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in Austin, TX Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. Robert MacKenzie '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 2 14:39:39 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hillclimb Video Message-ID: **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:04 EST Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video To: list at mackenzie.aero MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 03/02/2009 3:01:52 PM Central Standard Time, list at mackenzie.aero writes: > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > 1908? Must be TRIUMPH bicycles. Bill (Damdinger) PS...I have one...a TRIUMPH bicycle. ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 14:58:54 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: You guys make my day with these cool movies...I watch them at 5pm in california, with a nice glass of wine...volume waaay up..and I even find myself letting out loud wooohoos! thanks for sending them! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Mar 2 15:16:56 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:16:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material References: Message-ID: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> I remade one for my street '64 Spitfire out of sheet metal. Aluminum, actually -- I forget what thickness but thick enough it holds its shape well under mild stress. Holds up better, looks nicer. Used the beat-up cardboard for a template. Did the whole thing on my workbench with a ball-peen hammer and a pair of tin snips. Bends are very basic -- a 2 x 4 worked fine as a bending press. Even folded over the front edge to avoid the possibility of a sharp edge. Attached it in the car with pop-rivets. Of course, I just wanted a useable glovebox. Wasn't doing a concours restoration. '64 Spit didn't have a door, it's just an open tray. Painted it the car color. Looked good. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other > interior trim pieces? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Mar 2 15:20:50 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:20:50 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for me ...... great stuff ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 2 15:28:19 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:28:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: That looks very much like the crazy hillclimbs we had back in the 50's. Good stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: "RDM" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 15:44:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:44:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Women in Motor Sports: Message-ID: <89DF867123A04D1CA911CC6FA853F762@Bud> here's a link for the ladies out there in FOT Land...you can add yourselves to the list Racer bud Spitfire #21 http://caradvice.askpatty.com/women_in_motor_sports/2006/05/index.html From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Mar 2 16:17:14 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What 240Z? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4Tony Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for me ...... great stuff ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Mar 2 16:20:15 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:20:15 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> The cream and black one with the puffy wheel arches and the tailslides ..... Or did you get drowned out by the TB like the TR6 driver ...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:46:21 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: Boy..I REALLY can't wait to watch the hillclimb now! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:49:06 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Message-ID: <1550212284.547571236041346141.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for the tr from Top end performance for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial interest, just thought I'd pass along a good deal. Jim G. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 18:09:39 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:09:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03939E79F38D44C3827FCAD3F0B67970@TOSHIBALAPTOP> A truly amazing video. Prior to seeing this, I thought the only hills in Texas were overpasses. :) I also like how the TR7 driver dropped top midway during his run. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:46 PM To: Don Marshall; 'TR4Tony'; 'RDM'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Boy..I REALLY can't wait to watch the hillclimb now! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Mar 2 19:08:50 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:08:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: <49AC9132.5030007@verizon.net> The Brunette or the gal with the camera! The Barracuda reminded me of my first car, a 65 Mustang with home bashed flares and a sheet metal spoiler. Oh, and the RX3! Uncorked Mazdas are why I am half deaf. Cheers, Kurt O. TR4Tony wrote: > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11860 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11870 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 19:43:15 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:43:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> References: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> Message-ID: <000001c99ba9$cdefc170$69cf4450$@net> What Tr6 I'm still working on the Brunette Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4Tony Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:20 PM To: Don Marshall; 'RDM'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video The cream and black one with the puffy wheel arches and the tailslides ..... Or did you get drowned out by the TB like the TR6 driver ...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:49:17 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:49:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Cool. That TR6 driver and I have the same driving style:) Marty > From: list at mackenzie.aero > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:01:17 -0800 > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn s!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From britbits at netzero.com Mon Mar 2 20:37:42 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:37:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz In-Reply-To: <1550212284.547571236041346141.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: If you know the ARP part number, you can order from Summit Racing even if it's not in their normal catalog. So far they've been the cheapest for ARP. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for the tr from Top end performance for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial interest, just thought I'd pass along a good deal. Jim G. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Anti-Aging Look 10 years younger in 10 minutes. Free anti-aging report. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAn9DJBXJJCXRF35Of0AdcWbknEu9EN2l0ZIUsmFsqT3amRvu21tAU/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 2 21:39:10 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BF37AA0-90EC-4898-9E48-6D013203D2E8@earthlink.net> Call ARP and see what they charge. I got my set directly from ARP for less $$ than any other supplier. I did, however, pay for tax and shipping. ~Steve On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Jim wrote: > If you know the ARP part number, you can order from Summit Racing > even if > it's not in their normal catalog. So far they've been the cheapest > for ARP. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz > > Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for > the tr > from Top end performance > > for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial > interest, just > thought I'd > > pass along a good deal. > > Jim G. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Anti-Aging > Look 10 years younger in 10 minutes. Free anti-aging report. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAn9DJBXJJCXRF35Of0AdcWbknEu9EN2l0ZIUsmFsqT3amRvu21tAU/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 00:18:37 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:18:37 EST Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Message-ID: Same here. I just call them and tell them what I need, answer a few questions and out comes the order. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 65616 **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 3 02:31:38 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:31:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft Message-ID: Amici Had reason to pull out the drive shaft of my TR6 and had forgotten have heavy the dam thing is . Has any one come up with a light weight but reliable drive shaft . I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Anyone go ideas Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 3 03:58:11 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Gearbox case Message-ID: <49AD0D43.80000@cfl.rr.com> Searching for TR gearbox case. Broken or cracked is fine as long as the bellhousing is good. thxx, Bob From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Mar 3 11:00:08 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:00:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Eco-Bra Message-ID: OK, this is only marginally Triumph-related, but it is kinda funny: http://in.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idINT29336420080514 Cheers, John From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 3 12:44:30 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:44:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a few hundred miles. Randall From bownes at seiri.com Tue Mar 3 13:19:14 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might not be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long time since I was under a Camaro. iii On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: > > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . > > Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and > differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the > frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not > designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. > > But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a > few hundred miles. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 3 13:39:04 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> The first time you need to pull the tranny and that sliding spline is not there, you will wish it was. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Randall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might > not > be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long > time since I was under a Camaro. > > iii > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: > >> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >> > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . >> >> Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and >> differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention >> the >> frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not >> designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. >> >> But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last >> a >> few hundred miles. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 13:44:23 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:44:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8CB6A57F8296BE4-12D8-A75@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Randall > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a few hundred miles. ==AM== I was thinking the same thing...but then I remembered that most Heralds had a big, heavy, SOLID propeller shaft.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 3 16:27:21 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:27:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Randall wrote: >> I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >> pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . > > Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and > differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the > frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not > designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. > > But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a > few hundred miles. No, you're spot on. You want/need u-joints or CV joints at both end of the driveshaft. Aluminum is good if you want to reduce rotatating mass which helps acceleration in 1st gear and diminishing as you move up in speed. > Randall rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 3 16:44:38 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:44:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing DeMotivational" Posters Message-ID: <20090303234530.4BA2F187671@autox.team.net> http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/physics.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/child%20seats.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/fertilize.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/specpinata.jpg From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Mar 3 18:04:33 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:04:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 3 20:37:09 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Message-ID: It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: RDM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 19:45:45 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:45:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float lids for HS6 Message-ID: <000901c99c73$57799e10$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone have a useable set of float lids they want to part with? Contact me off list. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 20:01:37 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:01:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c99c75$8bca7de0$6401a8c0@blake1> I did not catch this the first time I watched it, but that was held in what is now my neighborhood. The Dam you see at about the 3/4 mark when the camera goes off the road, is Mansfield Dam. There was a bridge built just below the Dam in the early 90s that connected North Austin to South Austin out near Lake Travis. This spurred the development of the area where this hill climb took place. I wish I could still drive like that through my neighborhood, we have some really cool roads. The one in the video looks like Brass Button. If you look at Google maps, you will see ranch road 620 that goes over Lake Austin. That is the bridge that was not in the video. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'Larry Young'; 'RDM' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: RDM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 18:55:19 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:55:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS sale Message-ID: <20090304015608.86EE9187661@autox.team.net> Pegasus ( www.pegasusautoracing.com ) has the HANS "Sport Series" in both 20 degree and 30 degree (I got a 30 degree one) with "free" sliding tethers for $645 (marked down from $710). FYI. - Tony Drews From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Mar 3 19:37:33 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Message-ID: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 20:11:54 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:11:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. - Tony Drews At 08:37 PM 3/3/2009, J.C. Hassall wrote: >Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard >composite head gasket? > >TIA > >jim > >-- >J.C. Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Mar 3 20:16:33 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Tony Drews wrote: > 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. > On the workbench? How about under torque? :) Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 20:28:39 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:28:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Message-ID: <20090304032925.1988018766E@autox.team.net> It's a used one that has been mashed already. My measurements were between 0.050 and 0.045. I don't think they spring back much after being torqued to 100+... - Tony At 09:16 PM 3/3/2009, Michael Porter wrote: >Tony Drews wrote: >>0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. > >On the workbench? How about under torque? :) > >Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 21:04:56 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Message-ID: <56EF1730196B4222838827A32DDFFCD5@DadsComputer> That wasn't me, but I did have a red TR6, with red painted wheels and a roll bar, but I didn't paint it red until around 1988. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "RDM" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? > > RDM wrote: >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 21:06:15 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:06:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: Bucky is still around. One of our local club members used to go to him for repairs on his TR8. He was a guru of sorts but had moved on to fixing more modern cars. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Larry Young'" ; "'RDM'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > To: RDM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? > > RDM wrote: >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 3 21:35:40 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:35:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000101c99c82$acdc73a0$06955ae0$@com> I measured about 0.050 on the ones I removed after taking the head off. It seems I've seen that number before, either from Uncle Jack or in one of Kas's books. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:24:04 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Hillclimbing is alive and well here in Pennsylvania, and as the Chairman of?the Pagoda ?and Duryea Hillclimbs in Reading, PA, I want to extend a personal invitation to all FOT members to come and take part in our events.? Pagoda will be?the last weekend in June, and Duryea will be the third weekend in August.? The full PHA schedule is available at www.pahillclimbs.org? We have a fair number of vintage cars at our events and we always have fun. You can find some pretty good in-car video on you tube and elsewhere on the web.? Just do a search?for "Duryea Hillclimb video" Rich Rock From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:57:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:57:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Message-ID: In a message dated 03/04/2009 10:29:49 AM Central Standard Time, rikrock at aol.com writes: > Hillclimbing is alive and well here in Pennsylvania, and as the Chairman > of?the Pagoda ?and Duryea Hillclimbs in Reading, PA, I want to extend a > personal invitation to all FOT members to come and take part in our events.? Pagoda > will be?the last weekend in June, and Duryea will be the third weekend in > August.? The full PHA schedule is available at www.pahillclimbs.org? We have a > fair number of vintage cars at our events and we always have fun. > Some of the VSCDA's earliest events involved Wisconsin hillclimbs at Lake Geneva and Janesville in the early 1980s. The ones held at Janesville were actually recreations of events held in the 1950s. In those early days of sports car racing racers from all over would stop at Janesville to run a hill climb event on their way to race at ROAD AMERICA. The Janesville event was a perfect venue and lots of fun to run. Held in a public park, they quickly became popular "free" public spectator events. Eventually VSCDA had to cease running them because crowd control became a serious issue. I can recall several runs to the top, where I was shocked to find people crossing the road I was racing up. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From VANDECARR at aol.com Wed Mar 4 10:55:48 2009 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:55:48 EST Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft Message-ID: An aluminum driveshaft is a good idea but I don't think it's a good idea to have it fixed length. If you have solid engine and diff mounts and no flexing of the frame it would work if your alignment is perfect. Otherwise you are putting lots of stress on the driveshaft and the possible binding will negate any performance increases. They situation might be different if you used CV joints not U joints. I had Inland driveshafts (www.iedls.com/driveshafts .html) make an aluminum driveshaft for my TR6 V8 conversion. They did a great job and the price was reasonable. It's a fixed length driveshaft but the T5 trans uses a splined yoke. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 4 11:06:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:06:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: 1,3mm Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mdrz 2009 03:38 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Mar 4 13:22:31 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:22:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Message-ID: <49AEE307.9040009@pobox.com> A couple of years ago, I spent a whole day trying to measure this under torque (retired engineer with too much time). I first measured the distance of piston to the deck. I then used the old idea of clay on top of the piston to determine piston to head clearance. I discovered that clay is a bit springy and found that plastigage works better. I determined 0.050" is a pretty good number, but I would put a plus or minus 0.002. This was for the standard Payen composite gasket. Larry Young Michael Porter wrote: > Tony Drews wrote: >> 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. >> > > On the workbench? How about under torque? :) > > Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. > > > Cheers. From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 4 14:12:14 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:12:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> The correct Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association?website address?is www.pahillclimb.org? Sorry for the mistake. Rich Rock From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 4 14:17:48 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:17:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR Parts for Sale Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CE616@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> The following ad has been running for the last few months in the for-sale section of the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing it along for general interest's sake. I have no more information and NFI. Scott B. For Sale: TR 4, TR 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4A's have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $3,000 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-9137. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 16:25:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:25:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 CRANK NEEDED Message-ID: <993B8829EAA64C1092C12EE3B104EF6D@Bud> Hi gang....Tr4 crank needed by Dodge Riedy ..located at Infineon raceway.... please contact Dodge at riedysracing at yahoo.com Thanks Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 20:13:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:13:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bruschetta Message-ID: Hi Susan..et al.Was the Bruschetta made in Italy?(I have lost your original FOT email) Thanks Racer Bud From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Mar 4 20:57:44 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:57:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material In-Reply-To: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> References: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> Message-ID: <8CB6B5DAC5825E0-17C8-1A47@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> These are readily available for the '80 1500 Spitfire.? Check on line with the any of the Triumph Parts Suppliers. Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Entriken To: fot at autox.team.net; George Harmuth Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Glove Box material I remade one for my street '64 Spitfire out of sheet metal. Aluminum, actually -- I forget what thickness but thick enough it holds its shape well under mild stress. Holds up better, looks nicer.? ? Used the beat-up cardboard for a template. Did the whole thing on my workbench with a ball-peen hammer and a pair of tin snips. Bends are very basic -- a 2 x 4 worked fine as a bending press. Even folded over the front edge to avoid the possibility of a sharp edge. Attached it in the car with pop-rivets.? ? Of course, I just wanted a useable glovebox. Wasn't doing a concours restoration. '64 Spit didn't have a door, it's just an open tray. Painted it the car color. Looked good.? ? --Rocky Entriken? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" ? To: ? Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:14 PM? Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material? ? > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does? > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How? > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other? > interior trim pieces?? >? > thanks? > mike? >? > G. Michael Harmuth? > Software Engineer? > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services? > _______________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? >? > http://www.fot-racing.com? >? > Fot mailing list? > Fot at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 5 09:17:37 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:17:37 EST Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Blanking Plates Available for TR3 / TR4 Message-ID: FOT List, If you dont want/need a fuel pump blanking plate, delete now. I was making a .250 thick aluminum blanking plate for the AMBRO Engine and decided to make several. If anyone wants one, throw $11 each at my PayPal account and I will send out. Or contact me. Uses stock gasket.....CNC Laser Blanked Thanks. PayPal: N197TR4 at CS.COM Joe A From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Fri Mar 6 03:17:04 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:17:04 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> Message-ID: <21A5A0C2FE3F42D58F7F4EC9C24E076D@GEOFFPC> Thanks Kas Wise comment you've changed my mind about doing away with the spline Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "robert bownes" ; "Randall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > The first time you need to pull the tranny and that sliding spline is not > there, you will wish it was. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert bownes" > To: "Randall" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > > >> Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might >> not >> be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long >> time since I was under a Camaro. >> >> iii >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >>> > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . >>> >>> Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and >>> differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention >>> the >>> frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not >>> designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. >>> >>> But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last >>> a >>> few hundred miles. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Mar 1 10:39:58 2009 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing, what else! Message-ID: <001801c99a94$ca54c440$5efe4cc0$@com> Seems to me whenever I have snow out my window I seem to think about racing! Have about 3/4 of an inch and they tell us to expect between 8 inches and a foot by tomorrow afternoon!! Well on to visions of the upcoming season. As anyone who has been on these lists for more than a year should know I am Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of Competition BeaveRun. And as you all know the BeaveRun Races came from the fevered minds of Mike Connolly & myself to see what we could do to make the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix experience possible to more racers and fans. Welcome the BeaveRun Historics! Entering our 6th year! As both a racer and an event organizer, I cut my teeth on the Schenley Park event, I think I know what you want and try to blend that to what my sponsors want. End result is the best damned road race around! Last year we played around a little with a true Trans Am (well the mid-version over and under 2.5 liters) It went over big with both drivers and spectators! This year I really want to push it! And I mean as it really was. Any VW beetles still out there? How about a NSU or Gordini? Any Alfa GTA/V's? Javelin, Corvair (V8) Or normal ones, Firebirds, Nova. Cougar, Rambler Rebel, plus the normal Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc. Hopefully by the end of the day I will have a new revised schedule up and a pretty comprehensive list of eligible cars for the Beaver Trans Am. If you do not see your car on the list but think it belongs just ask me. I expect this group to fill and given the track and the interesting mix this will be I am limiting this group to the first 25 cars entered in it. For those that have never raced big against small you do not know what you're missing. One of the finest races I have ever had in my life was against a Ford Pinto in my big Jag. What a race and what great memories. For those who think big and little cannot mix let me tell you they can! Some of the best racing SCCA ever had was in the trans am series. Look at Lemans, a bloody crosley hotshot against a Mercedes?! Most of you have also done it in any all comers race. So I want to see you out there. In this year of economic uncertainly ( is that an understatement or what) picking and choosing races is going to be important. Talk to anyone who has come to a PVGPA event and they will tell you you cannot get more bang for the buck! To see how much bang for the buck go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click on the vintage race button and then follow onto the beaver link. I should have updated schedule up very soon (just shows more track time than what is there now) Entry forms and costs are the same. Enjoy Ralph From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Mar 7 18:10:14 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Right hand drive vintage Spit project for sale Message-ID: <49B31AF6.3050503@bright.net> Greetings list. We are selling a car for customer who's father passed away. Father started the project in late 1990's and did not get it finished. A description is included with this email. Nice straight car - no flares and steel body. Good start for vintage or auto-x. Pictures available. Thanks, Ted Triumph Spitfire MkIII race car (1968/early 1969) Built from 2 cars in late 1990's Right hand drive Welded 4.1 differential 1971/72 Spitfire Mk IV 1300engine w/twin HS2 SU's Engine free and turning over -- condition unknown -- spin on filter w/oil cooler take-off Tubular pushrods -- brand unknown 4 speed -- no OD Fuel cell -- no steel case- brand unknown GT6 front brake conversion 7/8" front sway bar from Spit Mk IV 1500 Overall body is good - appears to have new rockers & possibly rear ?'s Frame is good 1.750" roll bar (probably .095" wall) with diagonal brace, 2 rear braces, 1 forward brace from center of main hoop to floor plus 2 forward braces from main hoop to bottom of A pillars Doors are gutted with no interior sheet metal -- just the outside door skin Body in primer Many boxes of small parts -- new and used including brake pads, engine bearings, etc. Stock later Spit wheels -- oval holes Available with or without engine. -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. 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Paul >From the Great White North (Canada) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: March 9, 2009 1:55 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway. Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotts46 at q.com Mon Mar 9 12:55:09 2009 From: dotts46 at q.com (DAN OTTS) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Really great shots, especially the interpretive shots. You have an eye for the macro. Thanks for sharing them. Dan Otts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 9 16:11:51 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome. Wish the warm weather would hurry up and hit the north coast:). Who drives the #144 TR3? I have a question for you. Marty From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway.Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! 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Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at race-dogs.com Mon Mar 9 18:18:10 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event References: Message-ID: <003001c9a115$b19ad7f0$800101df@jawsxp> Great shots!! Makes me want to bring out the Silver Bullet- Oh wait Gary Shuman is trying to take over now!! Great racing in Group 3 for sure- JW John W. 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Regards, Joe Curry From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 10 19:17:00 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] hauling Message-ID: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> I need to get a TR3 frame hauled from Mesa,AZ to the Orlando, FL area. Anyone coming this way or know of someone? From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 19:22:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:22:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] WAKE UP GANG Message-ID: Hi Gang..it's Racer Bud out here in Sonoma, Ca...the list has been quiet..What's new?....Races..New Triumphs acquired...for sale..wanted.... The First CSRG race is April 3-5 at Infineon(Sonoma, Ca.)..I...as per the last several years will be grabbing as much pit space as i can(Usually enough room for at least10+ racecars & 'stuff ..for My Racing Friends...Triumph et al)(THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE..Gang)...behind the Big Grandstand... WE WILL SQUEEZE YOU IN...regardless......and...If you are not racing....That's Great too......Please.... come by and help us work on our cars..Triumph..MG... Healey....Formula Jr....Formula 5000....Brabham....Le Grand....Specials etc., etc Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 10 20:01:07 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WAKE UP GANG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090311030014.2A98118765A@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Mar 10 20:48:22 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hauling In-Reply-To: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> References: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <49B72676.7080602@bright.net> Just piggybacking off Bob's request. I am headed to Sebring this Sunday with an empty trailer. If any needs something from here taken down south, please contact me. Thanks Ted Bob wrote: > I need to get a TR3 frame hauled from Mesa,AZ to the Orlando, FL area. > Anyone coming this way or know of someone? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: 03/10/09 19:51:00 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholls) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new e-mail address In-Reply-To: <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> Message-ID: <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> You (all FOTers) can edit your own settings by going to the link at the bottom of FOT emails. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Wed Mar 11 12:14:40 2009 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] delete Message-ID: <001001c9a275$3ef35ea0$22d26c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Please delete my name from your e-mail list. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 12 06:24:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:24:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: Hi everybody, question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? Cheers Chris From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 12 06:48:56 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: Alexander Racing Enterprises has wheels, way to go Joe! Seriously, I think most of us are running Panasports or Superlite 8 spoke wheel that almost look like Minilite's. Bob Kramer Texas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Hi everybody, question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 12 08:03:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:03:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/2009 6:33:43 AM Central Standard Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > Hi everybody, > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > ARE? Or is it ARW? Isn't ARE...Alexander Racing Enterprises? Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 12 08:25:24 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A39CACDB34A4E30941EE99E2453B6B3@richardiipc> ..it depends on your definition of are.. Isn't ARE...Alexander Racing Enterprises? Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 08:28:29 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: <65A18B61-F197-41A2-9EE4-BD98D3A7E62C@earthlink.net> Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but still popular for their "vintage look". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi everybody, > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > Cheers > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 12 08:29:19 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:29:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans...now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts Message-ID: FOT 'help' I need some trivia intelligence....was there a so-called Le Mans Style Valve Cover Fastner? I produced a Knurled Knob which allows quick removal of valve cover and features an "O" Ring Face Seal for positive oil sealing. They are on eBay. I got a note from a MOG owner that asked me if they were meant to be the "Le Mans Style". If it is, I did it by accident. Does any FOT Historian know of such a thing. Thanks.....Joe A > Alexander Racing Enterprises has wheels, way to go Joe! > > Seriously, I think most of us are running Panasports or Superlite 8 spoke > wheel that almost look like Minilite's. > > Bob Kramer > Texas > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 12 08:35:06 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:35:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: Like Book Titles, they cant be copyrighted. But you all knew that. I could write "Gone With The Wind" and publish it. (if I had talent) The list must be waking up out of hibernation..... :-) > > >> <<< ARE = American Racing Equipment >>> >> >> WOW! If that's so, Joe Alexander should get after these upstarts for >> copyright infringement of his protected acronym. There's probably enough of us >> now that we could successfully support him. >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 10:03:41 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:03:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans...now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB71433F6BCE8E-1208-58B@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:29 am Subject: [Fot] now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts FOT 'help' I need some trivia intelligence....was there a so-called Le Mans Style Valve Cover Fastner? ?I produced a Knurled Knob which allows quick removal of valve cover and features an "O" Ring Face Seal for positive oil sealing. They are on eBay. ==AM== Joe, for whatever it's worth, MG T-series engines had knurled, bakelite knobs to hold down the valve cover. See a picture: --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 12 17:10:20 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F? Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer writes: > Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but > > still popular for their "vintage look". > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Succeed in Your Weight Loss Goals. Easiest Protein Diet. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMfAoaHvB2rAlAVlM6obOMxiA5pyF0MD5BsZbgKIybURZ7XU6kshS/ From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 18:45:59 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F In-Reply-To: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c9a375$1435c8a0$3ca159e0$@com> Googling scca spec racer ford returned these 2 probable sources of that information http://www.flatoutracing.net/race_cars/ford.asp http://www.eliteautosport.com/rental/spec_racer.asp Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Mar 12 19:59:48 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels Message-ID: <666609.90312.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: The ARE wheels are made by American Racing Equipment (sorry Joe, no copyright infringement) and are of the four spoke style. I was lucky enough last year to acquire 9 of them in the 4 x 100mm bolt pattern, 6.0" wide. I sold off 4 of them figuring that I would never need more than 5. I've had them sitting in the shop for the last year wondering how they compared in weight to the 5.5" wide Cosmic's I had on my son's BMW 2002. This past week I had the old tires removed from the Cosmic's and was able to compare the weight of the wheels bare.?WOW... the Cosmic's feel to be significantly lighter in?weight. I figure they must have cast them out of feathers. The racing tires will be mounted on the Cosmic's and the street tires on the ARE's. 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Some of the quality is not as good as it should be since I mounted the camera to the plastic windscreen, and it's bouncing all over the place. I also use a RacePak G2X datalogger, and overlay the data on the video. My car broke at the last event, so I lent the camera to Steve Belfer, and we used a different mount, and his video came out great, although we ran out of space on the camera, and we missed his last effort at passing Paul Konkle (yellow mg). Check out the video at http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html I figure people who are still snowed in will be stoked to see some west coast racing. -Mark From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 21:31:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Videos References: <285b8a860903122007q24ad4086kd8842a485a712b4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249A1A4E602543B2B604ADE85A4C9ECD@Bud> Terrific stuff..Thanks! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Videos > Hi, > > My friend Randy Zoller (Heritage Motorsports) was nice enough to give > me a little cyberspace on his web page to post videos and pictures. I > posted some video taken with my ChaseCam. Some of the quality is not > as good as it should be since I mounted the camera to the plastic > windscreen, and it's bouncing all over the place. I also use a RacePak > G2X datalogger, and overlay the data on the video. My car broke at the > last event, so I lent the camera to Steve Belfer, and we used a > different mount, and his video came out great, although we ran out of > space on the camera, and we missed his last effort at passing Paul > Konkle (yellow mg). Check out the video at > http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html > > I figure people who are still snowed in will be stoked to see some > west coast racing. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 22:03:22 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges Message-ID: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> Hi Gang, I've got a set of curved glass gauges [amps, fuel, oil, water] that I thought were TR3. Closer inspection shows that they are "AC England". Fuel reads to 10gal/45litres, oil reads to 100lbs/7kgs, water 90-230F, amps -30 - +30. The curved glass Jaeger speedo and tach that were in the same box sure look to be TR. Any ideas what they might be from? Anybody need them? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:04:10 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:04:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SJ 1296 short blocks, stock rods, lightened rods References: Message-ID: > I have 2 1296 stock small journal blocks, sj cranks, about 20 stock > sj 1296 > rods and about 16 lightened/prepped sj 1296 rods in various > conditions, > and a few small journal timing covers to boot. > > I don't think I'll ever do up a 1296 sj engine, and I need the space > my GT6 stuff. > > If your interested, pics of the prepped rods are in my gallery, and > ill add others later. Contact me off list with any questions. I would > prefer to get rid of it as a single entire lot. > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > reading, pa > HP Spitfire 1500 #37/57 > Http://gallery.mac.com/Srcypher From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:33:48 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:33:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges In-Reply-To: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> References: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My old TR4 came with curved glass gauges... It was #4852 Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:22 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges > > Hi Gang, > I've got a set of curved glass gauges [amps, fuel, oil, water] that I > thought were TR3. Closer inspection shows that they are "AC England". > Fuel reads to 10gal/45litres, oil reads to 100lbs/7kgs, water > 90-230F, amps -30 - +30. The curved glass Jaeger speedo and tach that > were in the same box sure look to be TR. Any ideas what they might be > from? Anybody need them? > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 11:51:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:51:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would take the locker over the quaife even if the price were identical as long as you don't plan to run on the street. I would take a LSD over the locker, but you can expect a higher price. The quaife doesn't do that much for a race car. > Hi Everyone, > > I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Mar 13 12:02:56 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker if its in good shape. That's what I used and liked enough to get a second one. On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 12:07:55 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? ~Steve On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker > if its in good shape. That's what I used and > liked enough to get a second one. > > On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I >> was >> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more >> expensive. I >> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 12:19:38 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the season. I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle breaks. > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > >> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >> >> ~Steve >> From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 12:44:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:44:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com><23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net><309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> Message-ID: <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> I had the 'Ride Of My Life' a few years ago at Infineon when a stock axle broke in the esses...when that happens...You may still be a Racer...but you sure as heck..'Ain't Doin' the Drivin'..It's all about Whoa..what is going on here?... GET COMPETITION AXLES!...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and > that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If > your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the > season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > > >> >> On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> >>> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >>> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >>> >>> ~Steve >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 13 12:45:39 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:45:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Message-ID: weld it ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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URL: From markvaden at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 12:58:02 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone tried these? http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 Would the southwick still be better? -Mark On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick > conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > > ~Steve > > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > >> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker >> if its in good shape. ?That's what I used and >> liked enough to get a second one. >> >> On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was >>> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I >>> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >>> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >>> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 13 13:07:06 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:07:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Message-ID: In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, > and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much > fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not > the season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > I can't explain it, but there was some sort of FORD rear axle conversion that a guy in Florida came up with (Abacus?). I know that John Harkness bought one for his TR3A after rolling it over at GingerMan on time. John told me that it was big, heavy, and convoluting, but worked, and he didn't want to roll over again. But I agree that the Southwick conversion is the way to go (if he is still doing them). Seems to me I remember Uncle Jack saying Southwick was closing his shop and going to retire, but would do 'odds and ends' in his garage. He did good work, and seem to like doing stuff for Jack. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. 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URL: From emanteno at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 13:12:58 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <354a1780903131212j22180a04mabf0b4a86f83e445@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Has anyone tried these? > > http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 > > Would the southwick still be better? A number of years ago, FOT Chip Bond came up with the original drawings for the factory rear axles, and had them reproduced with modern metallurgy. A lot of us, including Uncle Jack, used them in conjunction with new rear hubs that were the effort of FOT Jeff Snook, who essentially did the same thing with the rear hubs that Chip had done with the axles. It was one of those axles that failed on Uncle Jack's Old Blue with Tony at the wheel, sending him on a 100 mph triple roll over wild ride that destroyed Old Blue but fortunately spared Tony. It was after that wreck that the Southwick Conversion came to be. My personal opinion is that the Southwick is better. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 13 13:20:48 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, >> and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much >> fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not >> the season. >> >> I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle >> breaks. >> > > I can't explain it, but there was some sort of FORD rear axle conversion that > a guy in Florida came up with (Abacus?). I know that John Harkness bought > one for his TR3A after rolling it over at GingerMan on time. John told me that > it was big, heavy, and convoluting, but worked, and he didn't want to roll > over again. Harrness' car had a Ford 9" installed (it still does, as far as I know... but the car hasn't run in a while) But it's a Ford 9", narrowed, with full-floater axles. If the axle breaks, the wheels stay on the car. Nice set up, if a bit of overkill. A tad heavy too. I agree with the sentiments about the Southwick - you get the vintage spirit and a measure of safety. The Ford 9" is not exactly all in the vintage spirit. But balling a TR4 is unkool, especially if you are in it! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 13:34:15 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com><23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net><309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> Message-ID: <002801c9a412$b1eb3c40$15c1b4c0$@net> ...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Boy is that an understatement It was like driving on a sandy road Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:44 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker I had the 'Ride Of My Life' a few years ago at Infineon when a stock axle broke in the esses...when that happens...You may still be a Racer...but you sure as heck..'Ain't Doin' the Drivin'..It's all about Whoa..what is going on here?... GET COMPETITION AXLES!...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and > that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If > your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the > season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > > >> >> On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> >>> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >>> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >>> >>> ~Steve >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 13:34:52 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:34:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> If only pushing around the paddock was all of it. Welding the rear end certainly makes a Southwick axle almost mandatory--lots of added stress in the axles. Also makes it hard to be fast, since you have to drive around the negative handling characteristics. I know, I know, you guys with welded diffs are going to say they are just wonderful for handling, that's why all the modern race cars use them ;) . Personally, I like to be able to get off the gas when I want to, not when the car will permit it. A locker is a close second on stress in the axles--might even surpass it when it first locks, properly set up LSD is third, quaife fourth, and open diff is easiest on the axles. As far as uprated axles go, they, plus uprated hubs, will make the axles last longer. But when they break, you still go for a ride. If your car is light enough, and you drive precisely enough, and your rear end gentle enough, and your tires slippery enough, then you might never need a southwick, but you still should crack check everything at least every other year. From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 13:44:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:44:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: on reflection, honestly I'd say if you don't have a way to retain your axles you should consider sticking with an open diff. You can drive around an open diffs limitations just as you can a welded axle's, particularly if you retain your parking brake, but even without the time honored "hand LSD" you can open your steering when the rear end starts to lose grip and get the tire back on the ground. Some folks really master this. I was pretty fair at it when I used a Quaife. In my experience a Quaife doesn't buy you much in racing. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 15:23:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Message-ID: Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britbits at netzero.com Fri Mar 13 14:53:24 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:53:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? Wheel tuck under and launch? I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser where at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. Cheers, Jim Dallas ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud ____________________________________________________________ Click to find high quality stock photos and images. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 13 16:18:28 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BEDE2043F7B48208D35039852C38536@KasPC> Just for what is worth, we found a forklift U-joint that fit and was much much stronger. You'll need to look as it was too long ago to remember. ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 13 18:41:17 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:41:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings Message-ID: <002901c9a43d$96554220$6401a8c0@blake1> FYI Pinion head bearings are difficult to find for the TR3/TR4 rear axle. My local bearing supplier was out so he called me back after talking directly to Timken. Timken no longer stocks the bearing so they quoted him $350 + 14 weeks for the cone bearing, the race was available. Moss was out of stock and were showing a mid May ETA, typical optimistic schedule. TRF had three remaining in their stock, now only 2. I almost hate to bring it up, but after spending today tracking down a bearing made of unobtainium, I started thinking about that Ford 9" my friend offered to give me the other day. Has anyone gone this route in a TR vintage race car. I know, shame on me, just curious. Greg From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 17:42:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:42:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings References: <002901c9a43d$96554220$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: I would talk to a machinist..mine is really good at finding stuff that fits.....350.00 for a cone bearing is a little tough on the blood pressure! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings > > FYI > > Pinion head bearings are difficult to find for the TR3/TR4 rear axle. > My local bearing supplier was out so he called me back after talking > directly to Timken. Timken no longer stocks the bearing so they quoted > him $350 + 14 weeks for the cone bearing, the race was available. Moss > was out of stock and were showing a mid May ETA, typical optimistic > schedule. TRF had three remaining in their stock, now only 2. > > I almost hate to bring it up, but after spending today tracking down a > bearing made of unobtainium, I started thinking about that Ford 9" my > friend offered to give me the other day. Has anyone gone this route in > a TR vintage race car. I know, shame on me, just curious. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 18:53:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:53:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090314015254.83D7D187655@autox.team.net> The car I rolled (3 times) had upgraded axles and upgraded hubs, but still of the stock design. All of the stress risers were eliminated, very good steel was used, and I could barely walk for a week and we could use most of the driveline components on the next car, but only one fender was re-used. Southwick conversion is like $800 bucks. The other option is to replace the rear axle with a cut down Ford 8" rear axle and find a u joint that will mate that to the drive shaft. That's essentially what I've got in my car now, that was done before the Southwick conversion was developed. Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony At 01:07 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: >What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > >~Steve > > > >On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > >>Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker >>if its in good shape. That's what I used and >>liked enough to get a second one. >> >>On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >>>Hi Everyone, >>> >>>I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I >>>was >>>previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more >>>expensive. I >>>have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >>>for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >>>my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Mark >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 19:02:38 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:02:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090314020143.67E54187655@autox.team.net> There is no picture on their website so I can only make an educated guess. Looks like the axle costs 200 pounds, and the hub costs 150 pounds without VAT. The fact that the hub is a separate part strongly suggests to me that this is an inferior solution to the Southwick conversion where the hub and axle are the same part. The axles used in this conversion are also used by local dirt track stock car guys. If the axle breaks (and it can handle V-8 power and bouncing off of the concrete wall), the wheel stays on the car. I don't know what the exchange rate is, but for 700 pounds for the set plus shipping, I'd think that the Southwick conversion at $800 to $850 would be the better value. And with that one I KNOW the wheels won't come off. In my case, the axle broke and the hub with the wheel still attached left the car. That's the crux of the problem with the stock type of axle even using excellent steel. I was just at Bob Southwick's place this evening, he is certainly still in business! - Tony At 01:58 PM 3/13/2009, Mark Vaden wrote: >Has anyone tried these? >http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 > >Would the southwick still be better? > >-Mark > >On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steven Belfer > wrote: > > What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick > > conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > > > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > > > >> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker > >> if its in good shape. That's what I used and > >> liked enough to get a second one. > >> > >> On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Everyone, > >>> > >>> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > >>> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > >>> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > >>> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > >>> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mark > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 19:05:23 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:05:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090314020428.7DCEB187655@autox.team.net> The car I rolled had a quaiffe, so having a gentle diff doesn't guarantee that stock design axles won't break. - Tony At 02:44 PM 3/13/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >on reflection, honestly I'd say if you don't have a way to retain your >axles you should consider sticking with an open diff. You can drive >around an open diffs limitations just as you can a welded axle's, >particularly if you retain your parking brake, but even without the >time honored "hand LSD" you can open your steering when the rear end >starts to lose grip and get the tire back on the ground. Some folks >really master this. I was pretty fair at it when I used a Quaife. In >my experience a Quaife doesn't buy you much in racing. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 19:07:33 2009 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:07:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Message-ID: <11585939.1236992853560.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, the ability to apply power and actually steer and even tighten a turn under power is amazing.? I have never blamed the locker for getting me into a "sticky wicket", but it sure has saved me more than a time or two with its ability to apply "full load" when needed.? That said, 50 year old axles are not exactly the safest thing to be using these days.? The locker will indeed put extra loads on your axles.? I would think twice if I had to run stock axles with decent tires.? I am soo glad my car is an IRS car and I have utilized Chevy stuff back there.? Thanks for the locker Kas... ????????? No longer limited in the "slip" department... ?????????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Mark Vaden To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:16 am Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Hi Everyone, I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 13 22:05:33 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:05:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheel torque In-Reply-To: <7B59CA9A9375457DA4EDA5CE75B1555F@David> References: <7B59CA9A9375457DA4EDA5CE75B1555F@David> Message-ID: If you are using the stock wheel studs, no more than 60 ft. lbs. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kettler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Wheel torque FOT: This recent thread on ARE wheels prompted a question. I have a new set of Panasports to be fitted to a street TR4A and I'm wondering what value to torque the lug nuts to? Appreciate any input. Dave Kettler _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 06:57:14 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:57:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: <32720280.31852.1237035434946.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 14 07:08:52 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:08:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A > Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the > Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow > carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body quickly. > The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and > did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 > hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all > the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going > in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I > have seen. > > A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion > axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR > hubs.... > > Dean T. > > > Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: > > >> >> Or, you could just drive slow. :) >> >> - Tony >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. ?One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 09:10:21 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:10:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> OK so why can't you use the MG design? To pricey or hard to install? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:00 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. "Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history?" The earlier MG cars, including A & early B, used a nice fully-floating axle design. The later B uses a (very robust) semi-floating axle. Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 12:55:56 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:55:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dont your cars have an engine? Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: weld it Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car around the paddock. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye lp00000005) From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Mar 14 13:03:17 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:03:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thats funny!! ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker To: BillDentin at aol.com, REK46 at aol.com, budscars at comcast.net, Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Dont your cars have an engine? > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 > An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > > In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, > REK46 at aol.com writes: > > > > > weld it > > Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car > around the > paddock. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye > lp00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 13:08:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:08:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: I even don't feel the welded diff. It handles as a normal car at speed. Only in paddock use you're hopping around sharp corners. I have no measurable understeer, instead there is neutral and oversteer behavior present. A locker would be fine, but my welded diff is doing quite well. BTW...my stock axles have done 175000 mls 'till now. >From my experience here in Europe . . broken axles seems to happen always to the same drivers...don't know why. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:35 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] detroit locker If only pushing around the paddock was all of it. Welding the rear end certainly makes a Southwick axle almost mandatory--lots of added stress in the axles. Also makes it hard to be fast, since you have to drive around the negative handling characteristics. I know, I know, you guys with welded diffs are going to say they are just wonderful for handling, that's why all the modern race cars use them ;) . Personally, I like to be able to get off the gas when I want to, not when the car will permit it. A locker is a close second on stress in the axles--might even surpass it when it first locks, properly set up LSD is third, quaife fourth, and open diff is easiest on the axles. As far as uprated axles go, they, plus uprated hubs, will make the axles last longer. But when they break, you still go for a ride. If your car is light enough, and you drive precisely enough, and your rear end gentle enough, and your tires slippery enough, then you might never need a southwick, but you still should crack check everything at least every other year. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 13:17:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:17:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> Message-ID: Seen several MG's with broken axles. Seems the same problem there. To say this....Triumphs aren't the only cars which leaving wheels on the track lanes. There are BMW, Porsches, VW Golf's and hundreds of other cars which can't stand racing stress on the axles. They replace axles after some hours of racing - that's it. I could imagine that axles don't last forever - like spark plugs. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Craig Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mdrz 2009 16:10 An: fubog1 at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. OK so why can't you use the MG design? To pricey or hard to install? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:00 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. "Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history?" The earlier MG cars, including A & early B, used a nice fully-floating axle design. The later B uses a (very robust) semi-floating axle. Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 13:21:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:21:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: Message-ID: <6A8BE8625F314926A8C19481CE008373@Bud> not this year..I'm on a low cost racing budget(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: BillDentin at aol.com ; REK46 at aol.com ; budscars at comcast.net ; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: AW: [Fot] detroit locker Don't your cars have an engine? Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: weld it Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car around the paddock. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyel p00000005) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 14 13:28:35 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:28:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> Message-ID: <03C7651F-1848-4A73-8831-D56B1AA769EE@bnj.com> You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR. On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Craig wrote: > OK so why can't you use the MG design? > To pricey or hard to install? > > Craig > > -- From smockracer at charter.net Sat Mar 14 21:29:30 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas Message-ID: I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 From jibjib at att.net Sat Mar 14 21:30:49 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotta second a west coaster. There aren't enough of us yet. Welcome John, Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Smock Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:30 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] John Nikas I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 21:36:03 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:36:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas References: Message-ID: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> capecoventryracing at gmail.com The above is John's email. He is certainly going to be a welcome member and gets my second to the group. Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smock " To: Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first From markvaden at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:55:55 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:55:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4F61DB1A-F151-4B93-B06D-60E2739BEDF6@gmail.com> John is a great guy, and I definitely recommend him. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:36 PM, "Gasket Works" wrote: > capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > The above is John's email. He is certainly going to be a welcome > member and > gets my second to the group. > Mordy > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Smock " > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > > >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory > raced at >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an >> asset to > our >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs >> at our > first > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Mar 15 14:12:53 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles References: Message-ID: So how have I managed to autocross and roadrace my Mk. 1 Spitfire for 44 years without ever snapping a U-joint? Inner axles, yes. Many times. Even the "big" ones on occasion. But ever since I ditched my well-worn limited slip for a welded-up rear, even that has reduced to almost zero (two in nearly 20 years). Outer axle once and then I put in performance axles and never had that problem again. But the only U-joint failure I ever had was when the car was still a road car, on a trip to New York (from Kansas) in 1966 or '67, and it basically ran out of grease and froze inside the U-joint carrier. Even then I got it to where I needed to get to (Long Island) and we fixed it there. Just lucky, I guess. :-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles > In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? > Wheel tuck under and launch? > > I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser > where > at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > ________________________________ > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles > > > Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have > a > competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the > keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition > axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded > together..and they are larger diameter > BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the > wheel > goes Bye Bye... > Racer Bud > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find high quality stock photos and images. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 15 14:23:07 2009 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <85090.29020.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have some aftermarket billet axles for spits. Dale Oesterle --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Rocky Entriken wrote: From: Rocky Entriken Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles To: britbits at netzero.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 4:12 PM So how have I managed to autocross and roadrace my Mk. 1 Spitfire for 44 years without ever snapping a U-joint? Inner axles, yes. Many times. Even the "big" ones on occasion. But ever since I ditched my well-worn limited slip for a welded-up rear, even that has reduced to almost zero (two in nearly 20 years). Outer axle once and then I put in performance axles and never had that problem again. But the only U-joint failure I ever had was when the car was still a road car, on a trip to New York (from Kansas) in 1966 or '67, and it basically ran out of grease and froze inside the U-joint carrier. Even then I got it to where I needed to get to (Long Island) and we fixed it there. Just lucky, I guess. :-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles > In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? > Wheel tuck under and launch? > > I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser where > at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > ________________________________ > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles > > > Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a > competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the > keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition > axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded > together..and they are larger diameter > BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel > goes Bye Bye... > Racer Bud > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find high quality stock photos and images. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6 L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dotts46 at q.com Sun Mar 15 19:05:29 2009 From: dotts46 at q.com (DAN OTTS) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:05:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an asset to any group or organization to which he belongs. Dan Otts > From: smockracer at charter.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first > race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 15 21:03:16 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:03:16 -1000 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well then obviously we don't want him. As one of the core FOT reprobates, I have to insist on a equal number of truly awful people for every good guy we nominate. We are woefully behind in cigar smoking, scotch drinking, sexually harassing people. this influx of kind, gentle and talented people is making me feel terribly outnumbered. I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, DAN OTTS wrote: > I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an > asset to > any group or organization to which he belongs. > > Dan Otts > >> From: smockracer at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 >> Subject: [Fot] John Nikas >> >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the >> factory raced > at >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an >> asset to > our >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs >> at our > first >> race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Sun Mar 15 21:06:03 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fear not Bill, I think between, you, me, Kas, and Susan we've got them well outgunned! On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Well then obviously we don't want him. As one of the core FOT > reprobates, I have to insist on a equal number of truly awful people > for every good guy we nominate. We are woefully behind in cigar > smoking, scotch drinking, sexually harassing people. this influx of > kind, gentle and talented people is making me feel terribly > outnumbered. I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing > much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. > > > On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, DAN OTTS wrote: > > > I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an > > asset to > > any group or organization to which he belongs. > > > > Dan Otts > > > >> From: smockracer at charter.net > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 > >> Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > >> > >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the > >> factory raced > > at > >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an > >> asset to > > our > >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs > >> at our > > first > >> race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 15 21:58:56 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine assembly webpage Message-ID: <20090316045809.EBE01187669@autox.team.net> In case you're interested... I posted the pictures from my latest TR-4 engine assembly here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_build.htm I had intended to do this last year but got down to the wire on the assembly and forgot to take the key pictures. - Tony D From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 08:17:20 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:17:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing > much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. Are ya sure Cheney would drive a Triumph? After all he's an "oil man". TRs might just be too economical. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From chasgee at aol.com Mon Mar 16 16:51:51 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:51:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903161532r2dded67cn820ec277fe05a861@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903161532r2dded67cn820ec277fe05a861@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB74A0EE0F64AE-A8C-1A6B@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> how did this happen?! No one consulted me on this, i'm sure its an oversight! Welcome aboard John! Chuck From mediehljr at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 17:59:27 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640371.80692.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Interesting. I wonder if it is the TR4 that I drove in the 63 12 hr #38 ?Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Paul Smock wrote: > From: Paul Smock > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 11:29 PM > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that > the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He > is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had > 24 TRs at our first > race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Mar 16 20:39:10 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:39:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: I desperately need one more 13 x6" 4 on 3.75" Libra for the Group 44 GT6 if anyone has one!? Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 3/12/09 7:48:58 PM, wgrosenbach at juno.com writes: > Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F? > Bill > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer > writes: > > Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but > > > > still popular for their "vintage look". > > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > > > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > > > > > Cheers > > > Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Succeed in Your Weight Loss Goals. Easiest Protein Diet. Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMfAoaHvB2rAlAVlM6obOMxiA5p > yF0MD5BsZbgKIybURZ7XU6kshS/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 21:32:09 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] panasport wheel Message-ID: <285b8a860903162032y70132871uc3137db2f5e3623c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, If anyone has 1 panasport wheel 15x7 (for a TR4) that is in suitable condition for racing for sale please contact me. Thanks in advance, Mark From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 12:56:30 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias Message-ID: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 13:00:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71BF94BA-7BE2-44F7-B49A-9F80AA4156D2@comcast.net> Curious as to what system pressures you see and what type of gauges are used for this application? On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:56 PM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 17 13:19:36 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:19:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090317191935.VSMF12344.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly > under breaking. Have you checked the rotors for thickness variation and runout? Randall From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 14:09:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:09:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have > not lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system > The gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 16:28:54 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I purchased one and it looks like the proper part. Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end-float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. Just curious. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 17:01:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:01:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351D1171-1243-4F7E-B254-40BE21ABB013@bnj.com> It will certainly work. I'd make a fixture to hold the part and grind it. Epoxying it to large wood dowel might suffice. Cut a step in the dowel so it can fit a drill press and then spin the part against so coarse paper. On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the > third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say > "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I > purchased one and it looks like the proper part. > > Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install > the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end- > float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. > > Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the > washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin > against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the > trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this > part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to > polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also > managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a > guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before > it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. > > My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to > the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but > I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer > at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. > > Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. > > Just curious. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 17:05:08 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 17 17:21:03 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <20090317232104.YPCU133.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > Is .006 enough to cause sittuation I believe so, yes. Usual limit is more like .002", measured at the same distance from the edge. IOW it doesn't matter if the edge is thinner than the center, as long as the thickness is the same at a constant radius from the hub. But if the caliper has to follow that change in thickness as the rotor turns, it will push fluid back and forth through the lines causing the pulsation you observed. Runout is less of a problem, since it just moves the pistons back and forth (assuming a dual piston caliper) or the caliper body for a single piston caliper. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 17:30:41 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:30:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by someone who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not street (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is . > 006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully > as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as > well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot > of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop > as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the > pressure flutter, but it might. > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I >> recently added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have >> not lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system >> The gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help >> rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 18:14:55 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Message-ID: I like the don't worry about it fix Wow its such a small number. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by someone who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not street (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 17 19:50:27 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:50:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Why not just get a spacer washer of the proper thickness to give you the correct endfloat? mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 19:55:50 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Why not just get a spacer washer of the proper thickness to > give you the correct endfloat? this one is the "keeper" that is next to the circlip. the spacer goes at the other end of the 3rd and 2nd bushings. I have plenty of those. All sizes too - .128, .124, .121, .118. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 17 20:58:15 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:58:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> Robert Lang wrote: > > this one is the "keeper" that is next to the circlip. > > the spacer goes at the other end of the 3rd and 2nd bushings. I have > plenty of those. All sizes too - .128, .124, .121, .118. > Uh, yes, I know. Why is it you want to adjust the end float of the 2nd/3rd gear bushes using the sectioned washer, introducing stress risers and non-parallel surfaces when the gearbox was designed to adjust this end float with precision ground washers of various thickness on the other end? What am I missing in your reasoning here? mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 21:14:31 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Robert Lang wrote: > Uh, yes, I know. Why is it you want to adjust the end float of the 2nd/3rd > gear > bushes using the sectioned washer, introducing stress risers and non-parallel > surfaces when the gearbox was designed to adjust this end float with > precision > ground washers of various thickness on the other end? What am I missing in > your reasoning here? the piece I was looking for is part number 156136 (or alternate 157054) in the TRF TR6 book. I broke the washer that was in there, so I bought a new one from Moss. The finish of the new piece was fairly rough, some sort of greyish finish. Removing the grey finish so I have a uniform shiney finish seems to have done the trick. The resulting part is (by micrometer measurement) still good (less than .001" variation measured at several places. I think I still have a precision washer. Regarding the spacer washers 129941 through 129944, given the dimensions that I had, the smallest (129941) was .003 too big! It looks like the polishing actually worked. I'll mic it to be sure the washer faces are still parallel. I did find it interesting that TRF doesn't list the 156136 or 157054 as available anymore. I think the grey "stuff" is some sort of leftover from the hardening process. But there's a LOT of it. About .005". WOW. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 23:24:20 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:24:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] History Corrected... References: <482642287.12718131235929127193.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <236541C2B6964E2A9DEB2EEE136AC806@KasPC> <001d01c99ae9$d88c4a60$1502a8c0@Belkin> <8E05017D-CBC2-44F2-A460-8ED898E4F949@parabolicapub.com> <017c01c9a0c4$f94bd320$1502a8c0@Belkin> <90D42B3C-B8F3-42F2-B4C9-1550352E39E3@parabolicapub.com> Message-ID: <005f01c9a789$cb6f58c0$1502a8c0@Belkin> The History books need to be rewritten. The 1957 Sebring results are somewhat incorrect (see below) in the #2 link. The correct version is the photographic evidence Mr. Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver in #34 1957 put together. He will be traveling to Sebring to set the record straight. See the new photos and details in link #1. I made the photos larger and it may take a bit to download. #1) http://www.fot-racing.com/historic/index.html #2) http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1957/57seb.html Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 17 23:51:00 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, don't forget to buy a new circlip for each installing. Never install a circlip twice, even not for measuring the endfloat. Use the old ring for measuring the endfloat. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Lang Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Mdrz 2009 23:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question Hi, I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I purchased one and it looks like the proper part. Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end-float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. Just curious. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 08:39:00 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:39:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination... Message-ID: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> Folks... Please allow me to nominate Bill Oker Jr. to the FOT. You will find many of his dad's triumph racing stories on our www site. There is more to be added. Bill currently races with HMSA and has been racing since at least 1961. I will put a photo of a 1961 time trial at Pomona with Bill driving a TR3 on the www site shortly. As you know his dad raced in Sebring with the factory team and Bill currently races as well. Although, his father has passed we look forward to having him join us. Mark B. Can you wave your wand and place Bill on our list once you have a second to the Nomination. Mordy Here is his email address... Oker, William R CIV ISSC SW, AIR-44540" www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:42:22 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:42:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <354a1780903180742t1db79238p66af41884a2756e0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Gasket Works wrote: > Folks... > > Please allow me to nominate Bill Oker Jr. to the FOT. > Second. Welcome Bill. Irv Korey From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 09:23:30 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC><3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Message-ID: <02B35BF2418F498F811A173F3C142340@RobPC> This morning the local shop agreed to turn the discs. It did take a little convincing that they were not for a street car The shop has been in the same location scence i was a kid and the man dueing the work is no spring chicken.So that and a buck fifty gets you a cup of coffee. We'll see thanks for the help and feed back rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >I like the don't worry about it fix Wow its such a small number. rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by > someone > who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not > street > (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't > worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: > > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about > 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It > will > take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but > it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have > not lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system > The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help > rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 18 10:27:53 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Message-ID: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Group My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from Summit. Nothing fits! I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea who supplied them. Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 18 10:33:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:33:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon Racing: horizonracing at msn.com On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill > vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf > just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with > a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from > left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is > not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the > forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights > and frame. > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no > more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy > have no idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:34:15 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <354a1780903180934r241e5a77g8ec69d27f837dee9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from > Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea > who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? I used the washer bottle from a TR6, removed the pump and vented the cap. It may be more than 6" tall however, I'm not near my car right now. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 18 10:37:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:37:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hi Glenn, This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, though. If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Group My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from Summit. Nothing fits! I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea who supplied them. Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] From pebert1 at wi.rr.com Wed Mar 18 10:49:53 2009 From: pebert1 at wi.rr.com (Paul Ebert) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias Message-ID: <138CA834161C478AA899C4B0C9944A5C@OFFICE> For what its worth in this discussion. generally speaking brake discs should have no more than .0005 to .0006 TV or thickness variation. Taper from the hub to the outer edge should vary no more than .003 and I would expect as close to zero would be appropriate for TIR or total indicated run out. Most new street cars are at .002 or less these days. You would definitely have "knock back" of the pads on a fixed caliper design braking system with .006 TV or that much run-out. I have learned this stuff after selling an on car lathe for the last 20 years. Our product will produce from .0005 to .001 run-out and .0002 TV in about 8min. Cool stuff. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 18 11:04:21 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2009 10:36:32 AM Central Standard Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > Amici... Bob Wismer arrives at SEBRING today with our Tornado TR3 Thunder Bolt. On that car we actually moved the whole coolant catch tank under the car and behind the left rear wheel. I know that sounds weird, but there's plenty of room back there, and it works for us. We just have to remember to 'check it' after sessions. Our issue was that car does over heat sometimes, and while we had plenty of room for the catch tank under the bonnet, we always seemed to end up water skiing on our own slop when it was up front...so we moved it. Now the people behind us (when and if there is somebody) get to deal with that. Lot of our stuff is weird, but no one has more fun than we do. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Mar 18 11:10:19 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:10:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer References: Message-ID: <59B30757501B497D9E29D8E35532651E@Charly> How about ebay item #200320875767 Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > In a message dated 03/18/2009 10:36:32 AM Central Standard Time, > sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > > >> This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, >> sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain >> petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to >> the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, >> though. >> > > Amici... > > Bob Wismer arrives at SEBRING today with our Tornado TR3 Thunder Bolt. On > that car we actually moved the whole coolant catch tank under the car and > behind > the left rear wheel. I know that sounds weird, but there's plenty of room > back there, and it works for us. We just have to remember to 'check it' > after > sessions. > > Our issue was that car does over heat sometimes, and while we had plenty > of > room for the catch tank under the bonnet, we always seemed to end up water > skiing on our own slop when it was up front...so we moved it. Now the > people > behind us (when and if there is somebody) get to deal with that. > > Lot of our stuff is weird, but no one has more fun than we do. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Wed Mar 18 11:14:54 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Wow, you guys go for the good stuff. I use the washer bottle trick or a spun aluminum water bottle from the sporting goods store and dump it out once a season. On 3/18/09, Barr, Scott wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > > If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up > a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the > dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank > for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton > blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical > tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left > to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more > than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward > bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no > idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 18 13:41:06 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: I'm using a windshield washer bottle I got at the parts store -- not sure what kind of car it was meant for. A Chevy I think. The parts store should have a nice variety of such things, I just chose one that fit and would mount up easily. It's square, and mounts in a wire frame that I've bolted inside the battery well. It has an outlet in the bottom I plugged with a glob of RTV. Cut a nice hole in the top for the overflow hose and it comes out of the wire frame so I can empty it when needed (using the screw-off cap at the top). The battery is relocated to a location inside the passenger compartment. This setup has worked for me for at least 20 years now. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch > tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks > don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to > right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than > 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from > the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from > Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea > who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Mar 18 14:58:50 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some clicking due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors solved the problem. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rob Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 15:10:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:10:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias References: Message-ID: Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they should not be out there. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not > going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some > clicking > due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors > solved > the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about > 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will > take > more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation > rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but > it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 18 15:49:48 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias References: Message-ID: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> Aw come on, guys. There's always that long, boring straightaway! :-) Rocket J. Squirrel (When autocrossing, my eyes are on the course, my ears are on the tach). ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Munson" ; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they > should not be out there. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Munson" > To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > >> I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not >> going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL >> >> I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some >> clicking >> due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors >> solved >> the problem. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of rob >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: Bill Babcock >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about >> 10 >> locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not >> spend >> much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will >> take >> more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause >> sittuation >> rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: rob >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> >> I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of >> pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the >> weight >> shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but >> it >> might. >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: >> >> >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently >> added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have >> not >> lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The >> gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 15:59:48 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> References: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> Message-ID: of course, on the straightaway those brake gauges should read zero; the time to look is when you are braking, just before turn in, double- clutching, etc. Sounds like you need a data logger. On Mar 18, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: Aw come on, guys. There's always that long, boring straightaway! :-) Rocket J. Squirrel (When autocrossing, my eyes are on the course, my ears are on the tach). ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Munson" ; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net >; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road > course..they should not be out there. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" > > To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > >> I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges >> you're not >> going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL >> >> I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some >> clicking >> due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the >> rotors solved >> the problem. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of rob >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: Bill Babcock >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on >> about 10 >> locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did >> not spend >> much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It >> will take >> more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause >> sittuation >> rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: rob >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> >> I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of >> pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as >> the >> weight >> shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure >> flutter, but it >> might. >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: >> >> >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I >> recently >> added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I >> have not >> lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the >> system The >> gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the >> help rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 18 16:18:19 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <49C1732B.1050402@cfl.rr.com> On the gt6 I removed the existing battery box by drilling out the spot welds. Fabricated an aluminum box with a flange to overhang onto the flat firewall shelf and drop in where the battery box used to be. Drilled the flange and the shelf. Installed rivnuts into the shelf so that the box can be removed if need be. The top of the box has two fittings. One for the valve cover and one if you want to vent the block. A small K&N filter is also installed in the lid on a third fitting. A drain petcock is in the bottom. Creates a clean unobtrusive installation. Box cost me $75 to get fabricated plus the fittings and filter. May have pictures of the installed box if anyone is interested. Bob Barr, Scott wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > > If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up > a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the > dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank > for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton > blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical > tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left > to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more > than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward > bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no > idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Wed Mar 18 16:38:48 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201c9a81a$4ee1d990$48741342@jrg> It's an issue of "where" on course. Drivers school weekend I was barely able to sneak a peek on the TWS front straight. Second weekend? I was waving to friends at the fenceline on the carousel. And watching the gauges on a regular basis. So if the car isn't a handful, it's easier to keep an eye on what's going on around you. If the car is a handful.. Maybe time for some work? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM Spitfire autocrosser '61 Morris Mini vintage racer 1275S clone -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM To: Mike Munson; 'rob'; 'Bill Babcock' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they should not be out there. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're > not going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some > clicking due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the > rotors solved the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It > will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough > to cause sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as > the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the > pressure flutter, but it might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpQZQGhd9DwOhW2BIiWNMPZub416CtUoNB5Mz5TJnCEoEJBOsY/ From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:14:34 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:14:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: Sorry for the late opinion, but I could not agree more with Mike Munson. I added brake bias guages to my cars many years ago and the only time I ever look at them is in the pits or on the grid for a rain race. Make any adjustment there and that's it, no time to read them at speed. ( I have used video to record the guages during testing) After reading this thread I can't imagine a guage "fluttering", especially if there is no loss in performance. True a little run out will not help, but I don't believe that is the cause. Do you have any sort of in line proportioning valve or something? Either the gauge is bad (which I doubt) or you have some sort of bias pressure unit for the rear and you may have too much rear bias dialed in, thus the fluttering of the gauge. I like to see the front pressure up initially then have the rear follow, with about 800 PSI for the front and 400 for the rear junder max braking, too much rear will get you backwards in a hurry! Also check your balance bar and make sure its free to move as sometimes they can bind up, a little WD-40 every now and then can help. Sam > From: fasttrs at mindspring.com > To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:50 -0800 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not > going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some clicking > due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors solved > the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take > more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation > rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From bownes at seiri.com Wed Mar 18 19:38:40 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: Don't forget to check the jam nuts in the pushrods that tie the balance bar to the cylinders too. Those coming loose lead to Bad Things. Like no brakes going into Big Bend and a subsequent trip upside down.... On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Sam Halkias wrote: > > braking, too much rear will get you backwards in a hurry! Also check your > balance bar and make sure its free to move as sometimes they can bind up, a > little WD-40 every now and then can help. > > Sam From britbits at netzero.com Wed Mar 18 20:17:36 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:17:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <000f01c9a838$dfa8b3e0$50711342@jrg> Not trying to be intentially anal.. If you're seeing fluctuations on a pressure gauge, then something has to be causing the pressure differences. On a disc brake setup, normally that'd be the differences in rotor runout. If the car is handling ok, then it's something to watch in the after action videos but not lose sleep over. If the handling under braking is funky... time to clean things up in the rear brakes. Never hurts to have things perfect. But who has time/$$ to do that? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Halkias Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:15 PM To: Mike Munson; 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Sorry for the late opinion, but I could not agree more with Mike Munson. I added brake bias guages to my cars many years ago and the only time I ever look at them is in the pits or on the grid for a rain race. Make any adjustment there and that's it, no time to read them at speed. ( I have used video to record the guages during testing) After reading this thread I can't imagine a guage "fluttering", especially if there is no loss in performance. True a little run out will not help, but I don't believe that is the cause. ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9BVLRZLwHdkKpC6gpSNJIIZ0TJ2ASkqv03H0gSkozmOvvmdkAY/ From m-syork at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 21:02:15 2009 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:02:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000301c9a83f$1be63ed0$56ae1218@markv8zno7deim> I second that! Tony found a catch can that was used in a 50's-60's era sprint car at a swap meet. The can was too tall so he modified it to fit the battery box in my TR3. It's a work of art. Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM To: Glenn Franco Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon Racing: horizonracing at msn.com On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill > vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf > just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with > a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from > left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is > not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the > forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights > and frame. > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no > more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy > have no idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Wed Mar 18 21:35:17 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Head(?) freebee Message-ID: <497D9C0B-58E6-4789-B469-482BB287F7A9@mac.com> I have a TR4 head that came with a parts collection; I have absolutely no use for it, so if someone is interested its yours for pickup or the cost of shipping; it appears to be a TR4 because of the flat between 1 & 2 intake, and the intake ports do not appear to be ball milled as indicated in the below link. Has casting marks of 502137 and 7212. http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/FAQ_heads.htm Pictures below; kinda dusty/dirty, but I would assume usable; if you think not, let me know so I can throw in the scrap metal pile... http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#100833 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 18 13:46:32 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> Message-ID: <49C14F98.9060809@charter.net> Thanks for the suggestions on the catch tank location. The area behind the left rear wheel well in the boot is pretty open and sounds like it would work for coolant. Still looking for something for an oil catch. I think the oil would pool in the line if the catch tank was back in the boot. Attached are two photo's of the space I have to work with. Note there is no battery tray in the dash panel. Max height including the breather can't go beyond 7". Those reading from the list will not see the photo's. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer Bill Babcock wrote: > A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey > does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap > though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the > living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon > Racing: horizonracing at msn.com > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of racecar 006.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of racecar 007.JPG] From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 19 07:14:58 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a few questions about my street only GT6. It's a fairly recent purchase, I was a Spitfire guy before this and I'm noticing some differences in the way it handles. The car seems to get light at speed. The front end is higher than my Spits but from the pictures I've seen of other street GT6s, this seems to be normal. I thought this was done on purpose, possibly to counteract the higher weight of the engine, moving some of the weight to the back. It seems to allow too much air under the car, I like to drop the front down an inch or so by a combination of adjustable perch (Spax or Koni) shocks and shorter, stiffer springs. The current compressed spring length is 8.5 or 9", depending on if I measure from the base of the spring retainer or the insides of it. I'm running 7.5" on my street spits. I have a number of springs in different sizes I've collected over the years for the spits that are possible candidates. I'm sure this has been done before, any recommendations for spring rates or lengths? Any alternative ideas, caveats? Second question is on exhaust systems. The car has a custom exhaust, stock cast iron manifold but it splits to 1.75" dual pipes at the diff and has a pair of 12" straight pipes for the mufflers. The guy I bought it from was an old Triumph motorcycle dealer and I suspect the pipes are from a bike. I like a loud car, but this is louder than my race car and it getting annoying. I'd like to upgrade but I don't see many options. Stock, Pacesetter (Monza) or Bell dual setup seem to be the only package options. I've found a set of mufflers that have roughly the same size and diameter of the current pipes but I need to rig up a mounting system to because they weigh more than the current little pipes. I'm leaning towards the Bell sport system from SpitBits but I'd like some feedback from the collective wisdom here. I'm not trying to keep the car original but I do want to keep it period correct if possible. No coffee can mufflers like a kids Honda Civic if you know what I mean. Thanks in advance mike http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/GT6/P3150003.jpg From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 19 09:09:03 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR 3rd/4th synchro hub Message-ID: Hi, I got the box together. Thanks for the offers for parts! So here's the next question. Background - I seem to be forgetting things at an alarming rate, so I apologize if this is a question with an obvious answer... like I just sent this message to fot at auto.team.net. Yikes! ---- The big TR gearbox 3rd/4th synchro hub is assymetrical, that is to say one side has a protrusion of the inner splined section that is flush to the one face of the hub and the other side is recessed from the outer face. So it obviously goes either one way 'round or t'other. I've assembled more than 15 of these gearboxes the last one was about 6 years ago. I can't remember which way the synchro hub is supposed to go! The TR6 parts book implies that the flush end goes to the tail of the tranny and therefore the recess goes forward - but I assembled one last night with the flush end forward. And it fits and there's no binding or anything. So - what's the proper orientation? I'd pay someone to do this work except I have close to no money for the forseeable future (and I have TWO TR6's in need of loving care.) Oh, and the house. :-) On the plus side, I can assemble one of these units in about 60 minutes now. That's from parts all over the place, not neatly stacked on a bench. rml p.s. the polishing thing def. worked on the keeper washer - it came out to .003" end-float using a .121" washer. That's in spec! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 09:33:47 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:33:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR 3rd/4th synchro hub Message-ID: <1014616286.282415.1237476827594.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> /2xjhJj: Permission denied From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 19 10:14:45 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:14:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ is done Message-ID: We did get the car done and here is a cool video from Amelia Island. We have a heck of a program planned for The Mitty, April 30th-May. The dinner with Bob Tullius Thursday night still has a few tickets available. Would love to see everyone there. Thanks for all who helped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3nyC4dubc Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 10:46:43 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. Thanks, Jim G From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 10:48:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:48:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:49:11 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <11912873.1237481351330.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I use Willwood hi-temp brake fluid http://www.wilwood.com/Products/006-MasterCylinders/012-EXP/index.asp ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 12:46 PM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. > >Thanks, > >Jim G >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 19 10:50:58 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:50:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:56:08 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <10922762.1237481768532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If you search the posts you'll see that Castrol LMA changed their label to emphasize "Synthetic" but the mixture hasn't changed and it IS safe to use in the racecar. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: "Kramer, Robert" >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 12:50 PM >To: "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't >noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Bill Babcock >Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM >To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >Castrol. Seems good. >On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >> racecars. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim G >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 10:57:26 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:57:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <25368D5B-8083-4937-8FC3-CF9D4022A5FF@comcast.net> Motul RBF 600 or 660. Pegasus catalog has a nice chart on boiling points. After looking at that you won't use anything but Motul or Castrol synthetic. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 11:01:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I think it's very expensive?) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > Castrol. Seems good. > On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >> racecars. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim G >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 11:05:23 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:05:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic (take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the > label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the > same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I > think it's very expensive?) > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > >> Castrol. Seems good. >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >>> racecars. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim G >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 11:07:31 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I installed speed bleeders too, and one on the Clutch slave cyl. After 1 time, my wife won't help me bleed the brakes anymore. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM >To: RACER BUD >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic >(take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If >you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I >seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My >best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. >On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the >> label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the >> same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I >> think it's very expensive?) >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >> To: >> Cc: "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> >> >>> Castrol. Seems good. >>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >>>> racecars. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jim G >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> Babcock & Jenkins >>> Billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> www.bnj.com >>> >>> Editor >>> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >>> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >>> >>> Bill at kenalu.com >>> www.kenalu.com >>> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 11:32:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:32:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70AAE26B-8723-4ABB-99CA-6B36C1ABD43B@bnj.com> Fussy little buggers aren't they. Spray a little brake fluid on them, yell at them a few times, help them out of the car with a hand covered in brake dust and grease and bang, they want to quit. On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:07 AM, steve wrote: > I installed speed bleeders too, and one on the Clutch slave cyl. > After 1 time, my wife won't help me bleed the brakes anymore. > > ~Steve > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM >> To: RACER BUD >> Cc: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> >> Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic >> (take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If >> you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I >> seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My >> best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: >> >>> Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the >>> label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the >>> same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I >>> think it's very expensive?) >>> Racer Bud >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >>> To: >>> Cc: "fot" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >>> >>> >>>> Castrol. Seems good. >>>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in >>>>> the >>>>> racecars. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jim G >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Fot mailing list >>>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>>> >>>> >>>> Bill Babcock >>>> Babcock & Jenkins >>>> Billb at bnj.com >>>> 503.936.7660 >>>> www.bnj.com >>>> >>>> Editor >>>> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >>>> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >>>> >>>> Bill at kenalu.com >>>> www.kenalu.com >>>> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 11:39:37 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:39:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I use Porsche brake fluid. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Mdrz 2009 17:47 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake fluid question I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. Thanks, Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 19 11:45:37 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:45:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Greetings all, I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with Toyota. Anyone done that? Ideas/pitfalls? Thanks, Bill ____________________________________________________________ Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ From andre at gt6.ca Thu Mar 19 11:49:11 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903191049l5170dae4m72bcb8c705cc1872@mail.gmail.com> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html 1974 Toyota Corolla A. 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 12:02:20 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a better idea. A used Miata. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Rousseau >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >To: William G Rosenbach >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > >1974 Toyota Corolla > >A. > >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> Greetings all, >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with >> Toyota. >> Anyone done that? >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> Thanks, >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 19 12:07:34 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:07:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001001c9a8bd$94863b00$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > They have recently changed the label > on the LMA bottle, They won a court decision a few years back, that basically said anything from a modern refinery can be labeled as "synthetic". Randall From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 19 12:13:22 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:13:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> That fits better than I thought it might. Thanks, Bill On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau writes: > http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > > 1974 Toyota Corolla > > A. > > 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > > Greetings all, > > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire > with > > Toyota. > > Anyone done that? > > Ideas/pitfalls? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 19 12:19:37 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27335D26D2954889A0CD9E85D5660C7E@joepentiumnew> I had the BEST idea and used a Honda S2000! :) Joe C -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:02 AM To: Andre Rousseau; William G Rosenbach Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire I have a better idea. A used Miata. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Rousseau >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >To: William G Rosenbach >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > >1974 Toyota Corolla > >A. > >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> Greetings all, >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with >> Toyota. >> Anyone done that? >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> Thanks, >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4 yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Mar 19 12:21:43 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903191121k83f3ed6y69ff4f5c8beb2663@mail.gmail.com> He runs the toyo gear box as well, 4 speed, but I understand there was a 5 with that model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Cp6FNdsjw good idea of how it sounds. 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > That fits better than I thought it might. > Thanks, > Bill > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau writes: >> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> >> 1974 Toyota Corolla >> >> A. >> >> 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> > Greetings all, >> > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >> > Toyota. >> > Anyone done that? >> > Ideas/pitfalls? >> > Thanks, >> > Bill >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> > >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O > NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 12:32:50 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:32:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <6672941.1237487571061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I was being sarcastic and recommending you just drive around in a Miata! I like the idea of keeping a Triumph a Triumph. Seems to me the engine is probably the most fun part to rebuild! I did, however just see a guy with a very nice and clean bugeye sprite powered by a Mazda RX3 rotary. It was amazing how clean the install appeared and it sounded very nice at idle. When he drove away, it revved and revved! ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: William G Rosenbach >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 11:27 AM >To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >Does the Miata fit under the stock bonnet? >Bill > >On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) steve > writes: >> I have a better idea. A used Miata. >> >> ~Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Andre Rousseau >> >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >> >To: William G Rosenbach >> >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire >> > >> >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> > >> >1974 Toyota Corolla >> > >> >A. >> > >> >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >> >> Toyota. >> >> Anyone done that? >> >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> >> >> >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O >NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> >Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> >http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> >Fot mailing list >> >Fot at autox.team.net >> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Save on Digital Photography Serivces and Hardware. Click Now! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTWC3ifMjvD2TYo7fdWeshcpnKWeUW4F2V6Q7TRmDoTfRZdmO8/ From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 12:52:19 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:52:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: I did a TR3 with a Toyota 2TG motor. Not hard, worked great, but I decided to go vintage racing and that car became my NASCAR TR3 On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:45 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 13:00:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:00:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: That's what she said. Sorry, I'm having one of those mornings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQKsuogUXo On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:13 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > That fits better than I thought it might. > Thanks, > Bill > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau > writes: >> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> >> 1974 Toyota Corolla >> >> A. >> >> 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >>> Greetings all, >>> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >>> Toyota. >>> Anyone done that? >>> Ideas/pitfalls? >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >>> >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O > NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Mar 19 13:19:35 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Motol 600 ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question To: fot > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in > the racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 19 13:26:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. Which Toyota? Toyota has made precious few RWD cars in the last MORE THAN 20 YEARS. > Anyone done that? It's been done, Mark van de Carr has a 4 AGE motor (and Miata rear suspension) - it's fast. Not sure if parts are an issue as the 4AG motor is/was used in Toyota / Atlantic (and a lot of AE86 chassis drifters) > Ideas/pitfalls? See above. > Thanks, > Bill regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 13:51:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <79195E7C-DE51-49F4-BA62-C37C7059C35E@bnj.com> My first thought was ARE YOU NUTS, and then I realized that 1989 was twenty years ago. I consider cars made in 1989 to be new cars. >> >> > > Which Toyota? Toyota has made precious few RWD cars in the last MORE > THAN 20 YEARS. > >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Mar 19 14:32:32 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:32:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 16:22:29 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, like several other folks, I use Castrol LMA. Used it in CAN AM cars 39 years ago. I asked Dave at TRF about it and he also said that even though the container says synthetic, it's still the same fluid. I also change the fluid at least once a year, usually in the spring during caliper overhauls. Can't hurt. Hasn't snowed in two weeks; spring may be here. Been helping my cousin make maple syrup; hard work gathering sap, but fun. And Babcock, no comments about being a sap! Take care guys, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Mar 19 16:09:32 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that you're a sap), but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about using Porsche brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar experience with that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. DT ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: ; "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > Hi, like several other folks, I use Castrol LMA. Used it in CAN AM cars > 39 > years ago. > I asked Dave at TRF about it and he also said that even though the > container says synthetic, it's still the same fluid. > I also change the fluid at least once a year, usually in the spring > during > caliper overhauls. Can't hurt. > Hasn't snowed in two weeks; spring may be here. Been helping my cousin > make maple syrup; hard work gathering sap, but fun. And Babcock, no > comments > about being a sap! > Take care guys, Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > > > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim G > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 16:29:30 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:29:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> Message-ID: <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system by that corvette at Watkins Glen. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that > you're a sap), > but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about > using Porsche > brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar > experience with > that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. > > DT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > > To: ; "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 17:02:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "David Talbott" Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. > > I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad karma > though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system by that > corvette at Watkins Glen. > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > >> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that you're >> a sap), >> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about using >> Porsche >> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar experience >> with >> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >> >> DT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" >> > > >> To: ; "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 17:09:01 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:09:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00537200-0085-4164-A804-A7007AAB6C6F@bnj.com> And, as i recall I used it as more of an accelerator--Cameron hit me in the ass after i spun. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. > > I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad > karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system > by that corvette at Watkins Glen. > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > >> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that >> you're a sap), >> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about >> using Porsche >> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar >> experience with >> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >> >> DT From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 19 17:35:32 2009 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions References: Message-ID: Mike- I have a 70 Gt6+ that I drive as a daily driver about 9 months out of the year. (Maine winters prevent the other 3 months). After owning and driving it for 3 years now here is my .02 cents worth. Comp springs in the front will give the car the proper attitude you are looking for without sacrificing the ride quality. The lump 6 engine block in the front will dampen the higher spring rate and make the ride quite comfortable. I am unsure of the spring length and rate but the higher rate spring is readily available from most major LBC suppliers. The only challenge is when the car is lifted off the ground for service, the spring will not stay in the spring perch unless you wire tie them to the perch. If you do not wire tie them, you'll have to align the springs prior to putting any significant weight back on the suspension-not a big deal just a pain. Exhaust, if you a looking for great burble- take Nigel's (Spitbits) advice and install the Bell. I had a Monza on mine, it was loud and had a resonation that would drive you out of the car at 55 MPH. I had to wear ear plugs. The Bell takes the resonation away but still gives it a great snarl. It is loud when the throttle plates are wide open however. The fit and quality of the Bell exhaust was excellent. I am running the stock exhaust manifold. Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions >I have a few questions about my street only GT6. It's a fairly recent > purchase, I was a Spitfire guy before this and I'm noticing some > differences in the way it handles. The car seems to get light at speed. > The > front end is higher than my Spits but from the pictures I've seen of other > street GT6s, this seems to be normal. I thought this was done on purpose, > possibly to counteract the higher weight of the engine, moving some of > the > weight to the back. It seems to allow too much air under the car, I like > to > drop the front down an inch or so by a combination of adjustable perch > (Spax or Koni) shocks and shorter, stiffer springs. > > The current compressed spring length is 8.5 or 9", depending on if I > measure from the base of the spring retainer or the insides of it. I'm > running 7.5" on my street spits. I have a number of springs in different > sizes I've collected over the years for the spits that are possible > candidates. I'm sure this has been done before, any recommendations for > spring rates or lengths? Any alternative ideas, caveats? > > Second question is on exhaust systems. The car has a custom exhaust, stock > cast iron manifold but it splits to 1.75" dual pipes at the diff and has a > pair of 12" straight pipes for the mufflers. The guy I bought it from was > an old Triumph motorcycle dealer and I suspect the pipes are from a bike. > I > like a loud car, but this is louder than my race car and it getting > annoying. I'd like to upgrade but I don't see many options. Stock, > Pacesetter (Monza) or Bell dual setup seem to be the only package options. > I've found a set of mufflers that have roughly the same size and diameter > of the current pipes but I need to rig up a mounting system to because > they > weigh more than the current little pipes. I'm leaning towards the Bell > sport system from SpitBits but I'd like some feedback from the collective > wisdom here. I'm not trying to keep the car original but I do want to keep > it period correct if possible. No coffee can mufflers like a kids Honda > Civic if you know what I mean. > > Thanks in advance > > mike From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 17:54:21 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:54:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Gotta' admit my cheapo mentality ignorance here... When I built my car I thought I'd go "hi-tech" and used dot 5 synthetic for my first time ever. Quickly learned that the boiling point of synthetic is not suitable for racing. Have used regular ol' NAPA dot 4 since and have never had the soft pedal syndrome reappear. MY question is, if I'm not experiencing a soft pedal, what am I missing by not using fluid that costs nearly as much as I pay for a [used] set of race tires? Granted I don't use the brakes any harder than any other component on the poor thing but I do get them up to temp occasionally. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they > use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "David Talbott" > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > >> I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. >> >> I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad >> karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking >> system by that corvette at Watkins Glen. >> >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: >> >>> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting >>> that you're a sap), >>> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment >>> about using Porsche >>> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar >>> experience with >>> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >>> >>> DT >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" >>> >> > >>> To: ; "fot" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 18:12:45 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:12:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3FBFE1E0-5877-4D33-AEDF-F8CE1C6B7819@bnj.com> IMHO, nothing. If you were driving an extremely high performance race car the answer might be different, but if you are squeezing single pucks with a cast iron caliper I'd say if you can;t feel the difference then there isn't much. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Gotta' admit my cheapo mentality ignorance here... When I built my > car I thought I'd go "hi-tech" and used dot 5 synthetic for my first > time ever. Quickly learned that the boiling point of synthetic is > not suitable for racing. Have used regular ol' NAPA dot 4 since and > have never had the soft pedal syndrome reappear. MY question is, if > I'm not experiencing a soft pedal, what am I missing by not using > fluid that costs nearly as much as I pay for a [used] set of race > tires? Granted I don't use the brakes any harder than any other > component on the poor thing but I do get them up to temp occasionally. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they >> use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >> To: "David Talbott" >> Cc: "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Mar 19 17:28:26 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:28:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> Rocky Entriken wrote: > A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run > autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. > If the choice were between the 2T-C pushrod engine previously mentioned, and a 2T-G or GEU twincam, it should be a no-brainer. The mountings for the engines are virtually identical, as is weight, and the power output, rev range and flexibility of the twincam is much superior. If one wanted a real romper-stomper, the 3T-GTE twincam turbo would be the choice, but that might present a few more difficulties in adapting. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 19:17:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:17:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> Message-ID: <73B787F6-563B-4C2A-AC94-07742DFF7451@bnj.com> Domestic 2TGs came with nice side-draft Mikunis that look like webers. different jets and stuff, but nice carbs and the look trick. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > Rocky Entriken wrote: >> A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run >> autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. >> > > If the choice were between the 2T-C pushrod engine previously > mentioned, and a 2T-G or GEU twincam, it should be a no-brainer. > The mountings for the engines are virtually identical, as is weight, > and the power output, rev range and flexibility of the twincam is > much superior. If one wanted a real romper-stomper, the 3T-GTE > twincam turbo would be the choice, but that might present a few more > difficulties in adapting. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 08:05:26 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Message-ID: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 08:09:43 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: First bleed front, than bleed rear. No trouble with that on a bias dual system. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mdrz 2009 15:05 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Mar 20 09:01:46 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:01:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! It's possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one circuit and this would prevent full travel. "There are those who drive racing cars and then there are racing drivers" Giles Villeneuve > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > First bleed front, than bleed rear. > No trouble with that on a bias dual system. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mdrz 2009 15:05 > An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. > > I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) > > you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up > > with bubbles in the rear circuit. > > It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. > > Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? > > Jim G > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Fri Mar 20 09:29:57 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB7787DC6E7CBB-1400-2F@WEBMAIL-DY02.sysops.aol.com> It doesn't matter since both systems are separate.? I still follow the rule of bleeding the furthest cylinder/caliper first in each system though. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 7:05 am Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 11:28:04 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:28:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: brake bias Message-ID: With this brake stuff going some may like this video ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ebert" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] brake bias > Hi Rob, > If you go to the www.procutusa.com web site you can click on the box > titled > "drivers" and it will prompt you to put in your zip code. Or I do know > that > all the Firestone company stores have the technology. It should work fine > on the TR. No it's not expensive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob [mailto:19to1tr6 at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:15 PM > To: Paul Ebert > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > yes it is cool stuff is there a machine in the Boston area. Is it an > exspensive fix ? Will it work on the Tr thanks for the input This > is > great rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Ebert" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake bias > > >> For what its worth in this discussion. generally speaking brake discs >> should >> have no more than .0005 to .0006 TV or thickness variation. Taper from >> the >> hub to the outer edge should vary no more than .003 and I would expect as >> close to zero would be appropriate for TIR or total indicated run out. >> Most >> new street cars are at .002 or less these days. You would definitely >> have >> "knock back" of the pads on a fixed caliper design braking system with >> .006 >> TV or that much run-out. I have learned this stuff after selling an on >> car >> lathe for the last 20 years. Our product will produce from .0005 to .001 >> run-out and .0002 TV in about 8min. Cool stuff. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 20 12:01:04 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! > It's > possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one circuit and > this would prevent full travel. Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind last only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with the reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? Randall From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri Mar 20 13:26:50 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:26:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Riverside Legends event Message-ID: <005401c9a991$d26e3600$6cd01a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> Anybody going to this?? art de armond From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 13:34:39 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! > It's > possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one > circuit and > this would prevent full travel. Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind last only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with the reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 14:16:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:16:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little discipline. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance >> bar! >> It's >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one >> circuit and >> this would prevent full travel. > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > last > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > the > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 14:45:54 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:45:54 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination (sort of) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since Tony is an FOT member you might wonder why he didn't just let Mark know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph powertrain in it's future. On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly stated. The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to have Kas coming. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 20 14:52:53 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: This is where those little $4.99 Harbor Freight bottles with magnets work so well. I hook up all four and walk around until I get them all pumping about the same and it seems to work great. Bob in Austin. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:17 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: Randall; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little discipline. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance >> bar! >> It's >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one >> circuit and >> this would prevent full travel. > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > last > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > the > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 16:37:17 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:37:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friend recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their policy? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously > nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since > Tony is an FOT member you might wonder why he didn't just let Mark > know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. > Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer > skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette > longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the > other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. > > Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't > get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly > remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people > seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a > remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? > > Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN > officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once > had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including > John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to > active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph > powertrain in it's future. > > On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the > upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with > other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue > it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing > clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather > than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. > SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively > prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew > SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly > stated. > > The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to > have Kas coming. > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Fri Mar 20 14:14:46 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Miata Anti-dote In-Reply-To: <153547.57880.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <153547.57880.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB77AFA6065E82-17A0-1149@webmail-me17.sysops.aol.com> Amici, This article was sent to myB SCCA region's (Blue Mountain Region)B newsletter editor.B I have no experience with SCCA's version of vintage racing, but I thought it was amusing enough to pass along. Rich Rock B John discovers the Miata Anti-dote By Paul Paparella This is the story of John. Back in days when the local mechanic still knew what a carburetor looked like, John was an avid SCCA racer. After years away from the track to raise his family, John decided to get back into racing. If nothing else, it would take his mind off of his wife leaving him for that tennis pro in a red Miata. So off he went to the next SCCA regional to check out the current scene. John struck up a conversation with some racers in the paddock. bWhatbs the hot car if I want to race a production based sedan?b he asked. The response was bSpec Miata is about the most popular thing going.b Well, of course, John wasnbt too excited about that. bWhat else do you have?b he asked. bWell, you could try Showroom Stock Miata,b they answered. Not happy with the way the conversation was going, John walked over to the fence to watch the first race. As it happened, the first group out was GT. After seeing the lead cars go by, he thought this was kind of interesting. At least it was, until a couple of GT3 Miatas came by, followed closely b y a GTL Miata. That just got him thinking about how much money he lost when his former business partner skimmed from the top to buy a new Miata, then skipped town. So back to the paddock he went to look around. John was never much of an open wheel kind of guy, but he looked at those too. Of course the first one he saw was a Formula Mazda. It had one of those annoying bzoom zoomb decals, just like the one on the Miata that the kid down the street drove, with the big boom box that wakes John up at 3 AM every Sunday morning. Eventually he came upon some old timers standing around some cool old cars, like the ones John raced in the late b70bs. Turns out they were Production racers. bTell me more about Production,b John asked, bI kind of like the older cars.b bJohn, webve got to be honest with you,b one guy said, bwe love the old cars, too, but these days you need a Miata to win in E-Prod. bOr, if you donbt want to spend so much on the engine, you could run a Miata in FP.b bThose damn Miatas are everywhere,b he thought, and then remembered that the IRS agent who audited him last year drove one. By now it was afternoon, and there were just two races to go. Starting to feel discouraged, John wandered over to the false grid to see who was lining up for the next race. As he approached the grid, seeing an i nteresting mix of cars from the 1970bs up through new models, John got his hopes up. Then as he walked down the line, he saw three Miatas in ITA, and five in ITS. One of them looked a lot like the car that ran a red light and wrecked Johnbs classic Alfa last summer. B Continuing down the grid, he passed one SSB Miata, and a couple in T3. The last one he saw was the same color as the one his daughter was in when she got pregnant. bI give up b I guess SCCA just doesnbt have anything for me,b he thought.. John went to the food stand for a late lunch, and then headed for his car, not wanting to stay for the last race. As he walked towards the parking lot, he noticed crowds of people gravitating to the fences. Then he heard the rumble of the pack as it approached the starting line. As the green flag flew, he heard a roar of V-8bs like he hadnbt experienced since the heyday of Trans-Am. He turned towards the track just in time to see the leaders approach Turn 1. bWhat the hell is that Mini doing in between that Stingray Vette and the Shelby Mustang?b he thought. Then he saw a couple of BMW 2002bs, a beautiful Jaguar, three MGbs and a Corvair. bMan, these are the kind of cars I remember racing with,b he thought. After watching several laps of close racing but no bumping and rubbing, he realized these guys knew what they were doing, and were having fun doing it. He pulled out his stop watch, and saw that some of these cars were pretty darned fast, too. After the race was over, he went back to the paddock and found a bunch of the guys from the race. They were all having a great time talking and laughing with each other, but were quick to answer his questions and offer him a beer. After hanging out with the guys for over an hour, John decided that SCCA did have a place for an old school guy like him, after all. The Northeast Division Historic Racing Group was just what he was looking for. It wasnbt until he was halfway home that it hit him. He realized that, besides being a great series, HRG was the only closed wheel race all day that didnbt have single one of those damned Miatas! -------------------------------------------------- This is a fictional story. Any similarity between the cars in this story and actual Miatas is purely coincidental. However, HRG is the real thing. For more information, look up HRG on www.nescca.com or www.historicracing.org. --------------------------------------------------- NEDIV SCCA Historic Racing Group Schedule: July 3-4 at Lime Rock (with VSCCA and Jaguar Club) July 25-26 at Watkins Glen August 22-23 at NJMP Sept 19-20 at Watkins Glen Oct 17-18 at NJMP B From atr6racer at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:49:29 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:49:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: Here's my two cents. Both ways will work but allot depends on your pedal ratio and the stroke of your master cylinders. The best bet is to do one front and one rear at the same time. (Assuming you have a dula master system) If you have a long pedal, doing the front and rear seperately may not allow the balance bar to travel far enough to push the air out of the front or rear system. (and it can bind on some systems) On my cars I use a very short stroke pedal and I can bleed the system with a hand vaccum bleeder one caliper at a time or I can gravity bleed as all of my lines run downhill. Bottom line is, does the car stop without pumping the pedal. If it does, your doing whatever you're doing right. If you're pumping the pedal then I suggest you do something different with your system. Balance between the front and rears is critical under heavy braking, and when you get it right it's wonderful! Sam > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: Billb at bnj.com; s.janzen at comcast.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:52:53 -0500 > CC: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > This is where those little $4.99 Harbor Freight bottles with magnets work so > well. I hook up all four and walk around until I get them all pumping about > the same and it seems to work great. > > Bob in Austin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:17 PM > To: Scott Janzen > Cc: Randall; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if > you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a > little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, > rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time > ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little > discipline. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > > > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance > >> bar! > >> It's > >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one > >> circuit and > >> this would prevent full travel. > > > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > > last > > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > > the > > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > > > Randall > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 20:08:44 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:08:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not the Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what noise control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a supertrapp. I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally less restrictive than PIR. great track. On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friend > recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. > Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked > it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as > restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on > baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle > [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their > policy? > Thanks, > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 20 20:19:51 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive noise level? I've never made provisions for that... Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too loud! - Tony Drews At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not the >Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. > >The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what noise >control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >supertrapp. > >I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >less restrictive than PIR. great track. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 20:32:44 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'm louder. ~Steve On Mar 20, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 20:39:56 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0BBE5C75-347D-4F6F-AB4A-0BA63717D557@earthlink.net> Me either! Rats... no race in Seattle before the CRC? Guess I better check the calendar at least once before heading out - bound to find something fun on the way there or back. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 20:46:14 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:46:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning horn is 100db. In other words, it's not a problem. On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From fpspitfire at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 22:02:39 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, I thought PIR was a 103dB max without special deviation permit that stopped giving out.B That was one of the reasons ALMS quit going, they gave some ridiculous deal at the last race like LMP900 had 118dB, LMP675 had 110, GT1 had 105 and GT2 had 103 There is also a law on the Oregon book that states any vehicle regardless of on or off road use is required to have a spark arresting muffler on it...learned that from hill climb days. aaron #87 HP Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:46:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. B and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think B your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd B have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need B more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little B straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a B logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels B difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning B horn is 100db. In other words, it's not a problem. On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. B So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive B > noise level? B I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too B > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not B >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what B >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 22:18:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:18:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <099F4C15-3412-4F58-9041-E64F5B4CA1C0@bnj.com> Actually it's 105 by terms of the 2005 agreement unless there is a variance, and you can still get them but they require a bit of paper wading. CRC has had them--we have an excellent paper wader who can help us if we choose, I don't know if we'd get one this year. When we had one we never needed it, even with the Can Am cars. Each race organization manages the limit differently, most warn at one level and make you take action at another to ensure that 105 is never exceeded, so for example, we might warn at 98 db and require action at 103. I don't know exactly what SOVREN will choose to do but it will be something like that. Spark arrestors have certainly never been an issue at PIR. Its PORTLAND. If we had a brush fire it would be such a miracle that people from everywhere would come to watch it. Seriously folks, we're talking about Triumph motors. You might be able to hit 95 db 50 feet from the track, but you'd have to really work at it. 98 db is TEN TIMES LOUDER On Mar 20, 2009, at 6:02 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > Bill, > > I thought PIR was a 103dB max without special deviation permit that > stopped giving out. That was one of the reasons ALMS quit going, > they gave some ridiculous deal at the last race like LMP900 had > 118dB, LMP675 had 110, GT1 had 105 and GT2 had 103 > > There is also a law on the Oregon book that states any vehicle > regardless of on or off road use is required to have a spark > arresting muffler on it...learned that from hill climb days. > > aaron > #87 HP Spitfire From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 13:45:50 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use a supertrapp without the baffles and it works great, you should be under 90db uncapped jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "Triumph" , "Starke Shelby" , 'Friends at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:37:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friendB B recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. B Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked B it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as B restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on B baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle B [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their policy? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously > nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since > Tony is an FOT member you might wonder B why he didn't just let Mark > know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. > Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer > skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette > longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the > other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. > > Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't > get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly > remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people > seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a > remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? > > Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN > officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once > had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including > John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to > active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph > powertrain in it's future. > > On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the > upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with > other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue > it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing > clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather > than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. > SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively > prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew > SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly > stated. > > The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to > have Kas coming. > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 21 15:12:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Mar 21 15:39:34 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test was done during tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage made of concrete block with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and the side wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out on the track. ---------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the > responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, > and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not > before. :) > > - Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 15:49:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> Message-ID: <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a sound station that catches the sound as you race by...then...believe it or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the info and A PHOTO OF YOU RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the County Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> To: "Tony Drews" ; Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many of > the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy with > tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to roll up > expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. They were > stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test was done during > tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage made of concrete block > with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and > the side wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it > was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out on the > track. > ---------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the >> responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, >> and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not >> before. :) >> >> - Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 21 16:23:20 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:23:20 +0100 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: >From the noise on your video tapes I can't deny that your car is loud. I run a big Phoenix muffler and meet close to road legal noise. Sometimes I can't hear my own car during a race. On full speed (130 mph) I only hear wind noise. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Mdrz 2009 22:13 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 21 16:33:10 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:33:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> Message-ID: <283855BF-B0E5-4876-A22E-0AFCADEE1F80@earthlink.net> Good vantage point? Print quality? Will they let you pick your favorite? Could be a deal!! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR$ #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a > sound station that catches the sound as you race > by...then...believe it or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the > info and A PHOTO OF YOU RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the > County > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> > To: "Tony Drews" ; > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, >> many of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and >> were busy with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their >> TRs trying to roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from >> someones B-B-Q grill. They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to >> pass the test. The test was done during tech inspection held in a >> drive-through type garage made of concrete block with a concrete >> floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and the side >> wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it >> was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out >> on the track. >> ---------------------------------------------- >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >> >> >>> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for >>> all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder >>> wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it >>> quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) >>> >>> - Tony Drews >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 17:19:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> <283855BF-B0E5-4876-A22E-0AFCADEE1F80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Infineon is allowed a certain amount of days per year with no noise restrictions...i.e. Nascar..IRL....NHRA...and CSRG's Charity Challenge(last weekend of September this year) has been without decible limits.we usually have guest groups consisting of CAN-AM, TRANS-AM,HISTORIC STOCK CARS...... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > Good vantage point? Print quality? Will they let you pick your favorite? > Could be a deal!! > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR$ #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a >> sound station that catches the sound as you race by...then...believe it >> or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the info and A PHOTO OF YOU >> RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the County >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> >> To: "Tony Drews" ; >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >> >> >>> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many >>> of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy >>> with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to >>> roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. >>> They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test >>> was done during tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage >>> made of concrete block with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter >>> was between the car and the side wall about six feet away. In this >>> congested building, I felt it was a tough test to meet, but by race >>> time, all the TRs were out on the track. >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >>> >>> >>>> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all >>>> the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner >>>> TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE >>>> to, not before. :) >>>> >>>> - Tony Drews >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Sat Mar 21 19:39:32 2009 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Corrosion Cells Message-ID: <125482.56274.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Came across the following information in an old book (Rust and Rot) and thought some on the lists might find it of use........ 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Message-ID: Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 22 19:11:53 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Aw, crap, I missed Sebring. Got the engine off of the stand, attached flywheel / clutch / tranny, got it in the car and got most of the wires / accessories / manifolds attached. Next weekend I should button it up and wake the neighbors. - Tony Drews At 08:05 PM 3/22/2009, Steven Belfer wrote: >Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took >place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring >on Speed? > >I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the >trunk. > >~Steve From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:21:16 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:21:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sorting front hubs (Spitfire GT6) Message-ID: I am now sorting the Group 44 Gt6+ and could use some advice. I used stock GT6 hubs and am using wheels I got from a Spitfire road racer (American Libra 13x6" with 3.5" of back space). The front wheels stick out pretty far (about an inch wider than the front fenders). When I got the car, it came with some aluminum front hubs that bring the wheels in about half an inch. I thought these were not original, but when I studied an old Group 44 photo, I saw the exact same hub in the picture. I had them crack checked and they came out okay. I am nervous about aluminum front hubs anyway, and when I went to mount a wheel, it rubs on the caliper, when I use these hubs. A 1/8"-1/4" spacer would solve this problem, but that defeats much of the purpose. What do you guys use? What do you think of aluminum hubs? What do you think of this size wheel and do you face the same issues? And how do you solve them? Thanks, and if anybody wants to check out the car, it is on our website and I plan on taking it to the Winter Park car show in a couple of weeks and of couse to the Mitty. And yes, I am getting calls about Portland and Monterey and am seriously thinking about making the trek if I get accepted to Monterey. And for those of you who asked about the Glen and Road America, if I don't go to Portland I could end up at one or both of those events, but I can do all of them. First, I need to get some stuff sorted before I do anything but car shows, which are not really my thing. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:27:00 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:27:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: Hell, I work on cars every weekend, but this weekend I worked on my kid's Spitfire and we took it to a British car breakfast event this morning and I knocked a few things off my list of about 20 things to sort on the Group 44 GT6+. Also worked on the radio on my M3. Does that count? Also started sorting parts and cleaning the shop after recently completing the GT6 restoration. Also went to Sebring, but didn't race. Did announce some on the World Challenge races. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 22 19:29:49 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lots of frame welding. Re-installed the a-arm brackets and gussets. Attached the TR6 steering rack. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, on the frame portion of the resurrection. Marty > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:05:34 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 19:37:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:37:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: My car is ready to go for the 1st CSRG race April 3-5.....Problem is...I broke my ankle(mugged by one of those @#%$&% Leprechauns on my walk home from a Saint Pats Day dinner)..I didn't even see the little sucker...THEY ARE FAST...I heard a kind of faint giggling sound...looked down....there he was.....he looked up at me....threw his head back..laughed ....said....".Lean Down Closer....I have a great joke to tell you...I think you'll get a Kick out of this"....I leaned down so that I could hear the little 'feller'....he kicked me flat in the shin .....got me hard with his Shoe Buckle.....As I was lying on the sidewalk...I saw a glimpse of he and his tiny girlfriend running away leaping and laughing...They did a little twirl..jumped up a bit..spread their little arms and hollered to me "See you Next Year Racer Bud"... Racer bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on > Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Sun Mar 22 19:52:15 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> Watched most of Sebring. Still waiting for new garage to be finished and then I can move everything off the back lawn into said garage and start doing things. Cheers, Kurt O. Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.12010 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12010 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:57:36 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:57:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Sun Mar 22 20:03:35 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601c9ab5b$a75ec7b0$4a741342@jrg> HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQPL9MOM4HAk/ From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 20:12:12 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:12:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: I guess I would take what I can get, but want to keep the car a real mellow street car (another reason I don't want to mjess with the Webers) I can find the carbs if needed, it is the linkage and manifold that are a bit tough. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoff ers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQP L9MOM4HAk/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 20:18:06 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:18:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: Ted tells me he doesn't have any. I have been bugging him since Carlisle last year. Nigel doesn't sell used parts (like the manifold), but is a good source for new Spitfire stuff. In a message dated 3/22/09 10:16:08 PM, rem9 at twcny.rr.com writes: > Tim, Ted Schumacher usually stocks these in rebuildable condition. Joe > Curto > would be the best source for the rebuild kits. Makes a huge difference > especially if you can put in an uprated cam. You might also check Nigel at > Spit Bits on the left coast for the carb sets. > > Best regards > > Russ Moore > 63 Spitfire #49 > 1300cc w/ twin HS-4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:58 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire > > We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need > > to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine > upgrade > story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single > Stromberg sucks. > > Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin > Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on > a > stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and > maybe > the cam at the same time. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under > $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 22 21:09:13 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:09:13 -1000 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> References: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> Message-ID: Mmmm, not so much. I did a ten mile downwind Stand Up paddle from Maliko Gultch to the Kahalui harbor in 25 knot winds and ten foot swells. Really crazy stuff, like surfing in a victory at sea movie. Yesterday I did eight miles on the south shore. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun Mar 22 21:10:20 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Watched a good portion of Sebring, repaired wheel cylinder on TR-6, Tweaked the exhaust system, weighed and finished steering on Hmod project................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque> > At 08:05 PM 3/22/2009, Steven Belfer wrote: > >Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > >place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > >on Speed? > > > >I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > >trunk. > > > >~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 21:20:43 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:20:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission -... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/2009 10:04:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: Click here: eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission - Rebuilt (item 220377371856 end time Mar-23-09 08:23:24 P.... ==AM== I suppose the lighter weight could be of some value, but I certainly hope that any rebuild was done with a Spitfire (or at least Herald 1200) gearset. Of course, those of you who spend weekends pulling stumps out of the ground with your Spitfire might find the Triumph 10's lower gear ratios useful. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From srcypher at mac.com Sun Mar 22 21:35:23 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tore down 2 GT6 long blocks to see what's salvagable and store the bits so they don't take up valuable floor space. One had been outside uncovered for years. Pistons fused to the block, rods fused to the wrist pins, lifters fused in the bores. Crank looks savagable, but I can't get it out, since the rods don't move. :( Other than the head, a total write off. Started teardown of a 3rd, but couldn't get the head off; rope trick didn't work with all the studs still in place; have to pull 'em and try again... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Mar 22 22:07:05 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:07:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> I pulled the engine and O/D trans out of my street Spitfire to investigate the cause of low oil pressure at idle. Bearings showed little wear, but the big end bearings on #4 and the rearmost main bearing had tiny little "pits" in them. What causes that? I'm not experienced enough to understand. Now that I know what size I put in 3 years ago (Standard on both mains and con rods), I'll order the HD tri-metal style from BPNW to replace them. Also mounted the 1147 race car engine on a stand so I can finally complete that rebuild on Jeff Senty's old car - darned career change put me way behind schedule. Looking forward to a couple Driver's Ed events, club track days, and some SCCA autocrossing this year. Gotta shake the car down and build some skills. Then maybe I'll be able to finally start attending a few actual vintage races next season. Have to do the autocrosses since they are being kind enough to run the Nationals in Lincoln, NE. Anyone from FOT going to attend? I know Robert MacKenzie is planning a trip up from Texas. I'm guessing Rocket J. Squirrel (Rocky E) will be there. Anyone else? If our local British car club or I can be of any help to anyone, please let me know. Oh - this doesn't really count as "work", but I bought a cheap set of 1.25" SU's on eBay for the 1147 or one of the 1296's I have to build. I'll be going for "true vintage" on the 1296 engines - so I guess that means I should use the HS2's not the HS4's. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Mar 22 22:08:18 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: <08C5EE8230A54B0089F71E6F308B5FDF@rocky> Actually I'll probably do it tomorrow. Today I watched my Jayhawks knock off Dayton and move on to the Sweet Sixteen. Cole Aldrich: Triple Double -- points/rebounds/blocks -- first official one in KU history (Wilt Chamberlain did it, but that was before such records were officially kept). Last guy to pull off that version of a triple in the NCAAs was Shaq in 1992. Just need to finish putting the car back together. First event next weekend. Got lazy a few weeks ago (actually just got tired of lying on the garage floor) and took my Spitfire to my favorite auto repair shop to have them change out the clutch plate and replace a leaky oil seal in the diff. So much easier when it's up on a lift. And then while I was there I had them rebuild a leaking brake master cylinder, spot-weld the bracket that holds the steering column, and they talked me into putting an electric fan on my radiator (and did it for me). Yeah, like most days in the garage, we had two jobs on the list and ended up doing five. Now I just have to put the gearbox cover and the removable part of the rollbar (knee bar) back in. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on > Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Mar 22 22:14:39 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c9ab6d$e2c954c0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> That's Ron Krantz selling that Aluminum Trans unit. I've been to his shop in Holly. MI. Amazing stuff in that gentleman's head and on his cars... If he says it's all in excellent condition, you can believe him. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 02:50:47 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:50:47 -0000 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: <57D276A220FF490689A83F55E29392B5@Bevan> My Triumphs are now gone to loving new homes as I couldn't drive them after my stroke. They were both too heavy and as my brain was a bit scrambled as well in the early aftermath days, working on them also wasn't possible on the grounds of my own and others safety. But getting rid of them didn't mean I didn't go without a fun car. This weekend saw me getting it out of the garage after its winter layover. We had a wash and polish, and then went for a gentle warm-up drive with the top down of about 20 miles around the lanes, admiring the blossoms in an early UK spring.. No, its not a Triumph - but the fun factor is there by the truckload. Three cyl 660cc engine, twin cam, 12 valve, turbo-charged, five speed and discs all round (with a servo) - and lots of other goodies. Daren't drive it at more than 90mph as the speedo isn't round and I'll bend the needle at 95. Suffice it to say, that even at that road speed, the car is still accelerating. Yes, its Japanese but only 25000 were made in total and only 1100 imported into the UK. Its already a classic and prices are still holding firm. I love it. Jonmac From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 23 03:10:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:10:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After I'll move the car from a wet cave that is called garage to my new house with two big and shiny garages I'll convert the car from steel to plastic panels, paint coat the panels by myself, install the side impact bars as FIA rules want me. At the weekend I did a little tuning shown in the Kastner book 1 - "staking the head" to provide a foundation for further grinding of the head surface. I bought a set of ARE "Le Mans" wheels for dry tires and dedicate the Revolution wheels for the wet tires. I need to check the rear axles for cracks, have a look on the diff and will reassemble the engine which is complete in pieces. Found that my cam is corroded now from being in an open engine block in a wet garage so my car will be the one racing with a rusty camshaft. I'll also fit a new water pump with new design propeller..... ....and hope for the best at Hockenheim race way..... Cheers Chris From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Mar 23 04:51:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500.>> They are for mine, though I doubt you could call it "fully prepped". Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: GRMTim at aol.com ; FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Mar 22 21:03:35 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQPL9MOM4HAk/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 05:19:45 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:19:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB79C06754559B-1470-2B6B@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Well ... installed a 4.11 diff with a quaife; installed a shortened, rebuilt and balanced driveshaft; took the shims out of the front engine mounts allowing the engine to move back .375" (and the drive shaft still can be disconnected and slid back to allow the trans or diff to be removed(couldn't do this before?); reinstalled the composite leaf spring with my version of a spacer between spring and diff (modified to compensate for the portly driver) and lastly filled the diff and new transmission with fluids.? Now I'm recouperating from the many times spent crawling under and out from under the car for wrenches, bolts and peeks at the Sebring race on Speed.? All in all a great 9 hours spent with my racecar. ?Today after work I'll stop at the garage again and put a couple hours in to finish up reassembly of the rear suspension.? Couple more weeks before my 1st autocross here in the North East. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed?? ? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk.? ? ~Steve? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 05:25:46 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:25:46 GMT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: <200903230525176.SM08016@[166.70.182.40]> Lets see, I charged the battery on Susan's spitfire in preperation for VIR and then spent the rest of the day running wire in our new shop building. Brad (Susan's chief mechanic) -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer colordog.1 at earthlink.net To: FOT fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed?? ? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk.? ? ~Steve? _______________________________________________? From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Mar 23 05:28:34 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Why not just put a single 32/36 Weber DGV (I think that is the model) on it, and never have to mess with it again? Terry Stetler. From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 05:40:15 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:40:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903230440w2ffd3e30le3f7984c6a11e128@mail.gmail.com> Coffee Table? A. 2009/3/22 Scott Cypher : > Tore down 2 GT6 long blocks to see what's salvagable and store the > bits so they don't take up valuable floor space. One had been > outside uncovered for years. Pistons fused to the block, rods fused > to the wrist pins, lifters fused in the bores. Crank looks > savagable, but I can't get it out, since the rods don't move. :( > Other than the head, a total write off. > > Started teardown of a 3rd, but couldn't get the head off; rope trick > didn't work with all the studs still in place; have to pull 'em and > try again... > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 05:53:22 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <200903230525176.SM08016@166.70.182.40> References: <200903230525176.SM08016@166.70.182.40> Message-ID: <4362ae390903230453i995223bl275ace666d64cb5f@mail.gmail.com> I set the grinder to a GT6 full back seat frame. Painted it up and will start on the 2nd one shortly. Can't wait to do the interior. Tested a cheap tach with my new electronic ignition system. That works so I'm doing a mech to electronic conversion on one of my old smiths. http://www.gt6.ca/09/0321/index.html And then had a really detailed chat with my better half about Vintage racing. The results were as expected. I have to wait. Its still not reasonable for me to push at this time. But, I've joined VARAC as a full member. http://www.varac.ca/ And I will do some autox and what not in the GT6. I'm back to square one I feel. Limited in space so I either sell the GT6 or "upgrade" the GT6 into a racer. Good Monday morning :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 06:07:36 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB79C7170CBB86-11C0-53B1@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> we watched Bob Wismer change carburettor floats in the Thunderbolt at Sebring... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 23 06:33:10 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:33:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Carbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim, there's a pair of H4s on eBay right now, with a manifold. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300301531532&ss pagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem= G. Michael Harmuth From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 23 07:00:26 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph work this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Busy car weekend. Saturday morning, went to a Brits of The Hudson car club tech seminar about head rebuilding and valve grinding. Went home and worked on the wife's Spitfire. Replaced the brake master cylinder. Mushroom factor kicked in, ended up replacing a front caliper and hose when I couldn't get the bleeder screw out. Repacked the front wheel bearings and replaced the tie rod ends since the front end felt loose and it was apart anyway. Ended the day with new plugs, wires, points etc. Found the carb dirty, maybe next week... Caught the last two hours of Sebring, thought the commentators audio was hard to hear, liked the in car, at night cameras.Local team, Dyson, was out early too bad. Sunday was work on the new GT6, knew it needed front end work too. Replaced the tie rod ends, steering shaft universal, rack bushings. Repacked the wheel bearings, looked at the ball joints and trunions, think I'll order a set and replace them when I change the shocks and springs. Adjusted the carbs and synched them. Ordered the new exhaust system from Rimmer Bros, 15% off until the end of the month. Took the wife out for a ride in the GT6, the work must have helped, she kept telling me stop driving it like a race car. Tonight I'll start removing parts on the Spitfire race car, getting it ready the season, starts in 6 weeks. Need to install the new engine, tranny, rebuilt diff, front calipers, clutch master and slave and header. Probably need to replumb the exhaust to hook up to the header, may take that to a shop. Haul the car to my brother's shop and get a second bar welded in the passengers side door. I don't think I'll ever learn to get this stuff done in the winter. mike From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 23 07:19:04 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use one of these . It is surprisingly quiet. I use a 2.5" pipe all the way back to the muffler. The only problem is that I can't hear the engine start on the grid 'cause of all you noisy guys. Moroso Spiral Flow Racing Mufflers Using advanced gas dynamics and sophisticated noise cancellation acoustics, Moroso engineers have developed a new series of Racing Mufflers. Specially engineered spiral baffles divide the exhaust flow into two separate paths, significantly reducing noise levels with minimal backpressure. The all-steel construction makes them durable - our efficient manufacturing process makes them affordable! http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=35054 Bob Kramer Aaustin, Texas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 23 07:42:59 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: Hi, Regarding your query about FOT folks attending the Solo Nationals, it is my current plan to be there with my F Prepared TR6. I'll be there mostly for the fun aspect of the event as my car is not very competitive on the national level although I should be able to score mid-pack or better if I don't drive with a rectal-cranial inversion. :-) Of course plans are subject to changes as the organization that I work for is about to go through a serious re-org and "right sizing". I actually gave some thought to dragging my car all the way to Portland for the shindig there and then heading to Nebraska, but that would be pretty much "insane" given the available free time. Not that I've ever been described as fully sane, of course. So, for now, it's Nationals in Nebraska and we'll work with that. Linda wants to hit some National Wildlife Refuges on the trip to/from. It's quite entertaining driving down dirt roads in NWRs with the truck and trailer. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 08:16:29 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:16:29 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning Message-ID: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 08:23:48 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:23:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning Message-ID: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:54:57 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0903230754y46e5b055ofe11ebe13b93365e@mail.gmail.com> Fun thread-- glad to see that I am notthe only one building and installing an engine on the weekend before first track day. Got the shirt block back just before I went off to the three day Skip Barber MX5 race driving class at Laguna Seca [wow,is that corkscrew an interesting corner -- but my major slide happened in turn six]. Got home on Monday,and left for Malaysia that afternoon. Home at 4 pm Saturday to sleep. Got the whole engine assembled yesterday except for the headers and manifold. Will complete engine install today. Chuck On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place > over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 10:04:45 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. Thanks, Ernie From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 10:49:28 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire Message-ID: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I learn and prep. If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? Toyo R888? Too aggressive? Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. Anything else I should look for? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 11:28:46 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:28:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <39423971-B297-4C42-9D36-CEB2D4A34B55@bnj.com> It's twisty, but not that bad. Pretty drive, I did it with no problem pulling Nero. On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. > Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM > To: "fot" > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route > from Richmond > KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville > (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane > highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car > on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 11:46:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: <57D276A220FF490689A83F55E29392B5@Bevan> Message-ID: <097F41664D444AE5B814C7B56083C60B@Bud> Hello John I am glad to hear you are/have recovered...Keep the spirit up!..You have lots of good friends here! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > My Triumphs are now gone to loving new homes as I couldn't drive them > after my stroke. They were both too heavy and as my brain was a bit > scrambled as well in the early aftermath days, working on them also wasn't > possible on the grounds of my own and others safety. But getting rid of > them didn't mean I didn't go without a fun car. This weekend saw me > getting it out of the garage after its winter layover. We had a wash and > polish, and then went for a gentle warm-up drive with the top down of > about 20 miles around the lanes, admiring the blossoms in an early UK > spring.. No, its not a Triumph - but the fun factor is there by the > truckload. Three cyl 660cc engine, twin cam, 12 valve, turbo-charged, five > speed and discs all round (with a servo) - and lots of other goodies. > Daren't drive it at more than 90mph as the speedo isn't round and I'll > bend the needle at 95. Suffice it to say, that even at that road speed, > the car is still accelerating. Yes, its Japanese but only 25000 were made > in total and only 1100 imported into the UK. Its already a classic and > prices are still holding firm. I love it. > > Jonmac _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 12:35:12 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brad, I'd recommend avoiding 58 if you value your life and your vehicles! I made the big mistake of following Mapquest down that route several years ago. It has over 10% grade in several sections both up and down, plus switchbacks that make you think you're in a James Bond movie. But you're not driving an Aston. In a Suburban with open trailer I was in first gear at 10 mph for hours, wondering whether I'd cook the brakes or the trans first. Coming back I think we went north on 29 to 64. (The memory of that leg isn't quite as vivid for some reason.) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 12:58:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:58:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00DB9153-8303-4FEB-9AC6-278850C4E351@bnj.com> There are some exciting stretches as I recall, but Nero did fine behind my F350 Diesel, and I thought the road was pretty cool. I was a little less pleased with it when a speeding truck that passed me in the breakdown lane kicked a tire carcass into the trailer, taking off the black water drain system. More like brown as I recall--yeah, I know, too much information. I think the big difference in experience might be the very handy "tow" function on F350 diesels. On Mar 23, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Brad, > I'd recommend avoiding 58 if you value your life and your vehicles! > I made the big mistake of following Mapquest down that route several > years ago. It has over 10% grade in several sections both up and > down, plus switchbacks that make you think you're in a James Bond > movie. But you're not driving an Aston. In a Suburban with open > trailer I was in first gear at 10 mph for hours, wondering whether > I'd cook the brakes or the trans first. > > Coming back I think we went north on 29 to 64. (The memory of that > leg isn't quite as vivid for some reason.) > > Regards, > Gary Schneider > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Brad Kahler > To: fot ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning > > Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. > Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM > To: "fot" > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route > from Richmond > KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville > (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane > highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car > on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Mar 24 13:10:35 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that some people use. Zippy Racing #69 GT6+ On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 23 13:33:11 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Where are you that it is Tuesday already? What stocks should I buy before the NYSE closes? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:11 PM To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that some people use. Zippy Racing #69 GT6+ On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 13:36:33 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0903230754y46e5b055ofe11ebe13b93365e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2102255159.140331237836993820.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The motor is still being machined so I : Fabricated & plumbed a new catch tank Installed & plumbed the oil sump Fabricated & wired a new dash panel for the lap timer Modified the header for more ground clearance Continued with fabrication ofB a carbon fiber air box. ( mold ) Drank a beer Watched Sebring...drank more beer Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Steven Belfer" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54:57 AM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: Re: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Fun thread-- glad to see that I am notthe only one building and installing an engine on the weekend before first track day. B Got the shirt block back just before I went off to the three day Skip Barber MX5 race driving class at Laguna Seca [wow,is that corkscrew an interesting corner -- but my major slide happened in turn six]. Got home on Monday,and left for Malaysia that afternoon. B Home at 4 pm Saturday to sleep. B Got the whole engine assembled yesterday except for the headers and manifold. B Will complete engine install today. Chuck On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place > over the weekend. B Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 23 14:40:51 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pit Stop without stopping Message-ID: <1D32EBB87FC1431AB24967E725D9D8BC@joepentiumnew> Check out this Shell ad. http://www.shell.com/home/content/motorsport/ferrari/fan_zone/videos/refuell ing_ad/index.html&promo=f1banner Scroll down the page and select Streamed video. Joe C. From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Mar 24 14:49:01 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a new service that over sees all our Macs, doing a great aren't they. On 3/23/09 2:33 PM, "Kramer, Robert" wrote: > Where are you that it is Tuesday already? What stocks should I buy before the > NYSE closes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of John Reed > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:11 PM > To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire > > Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit > with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that > some people use. > > Zippy Racing > > #69 GT6+ > > > On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > >> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I >> learn and prep. >> >> If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? >> >> Toyo R888? Too aggressive? >> Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. >> >> Anything else I should look for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. > > Regards, > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA > Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 > > John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com > > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly > forbidden. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Mar 23 15:51:35 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:51:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C80467.3010508@charter.net> Spent some of the weekend: Found a home for my oil recovery tank next to the radiator shroud and will be mounting my coolant recovery in the boot next to my fuel cell. Installed my Plexiglass TSI windscreen Mostly procrastinated , watched MSU basketball. Sunday I worked on my Rabbit Pickup bodywork (non British car) Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 23 17:47:31 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:47:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Interesting car on eBay! Message-ID: <20090324005931.EFF04187659@autox.team.net> >Check it out!! > >eBay item # 180339069262 > >Jim > >*********************************************************** > Visit The Desert Centre Triumph Register of America WebSite > http://www.dctra.org > for info on Subscribing/Unsubscribing and Digest and > Links to other British Car Sites >*********************************************************** From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 23 19:45:48 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <0KGZ002DNJCLJ0PF@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> At 09:16 AM 3/23/2009, Brad Kahler wrote: >We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if >anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to >I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not >sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road >like that. >Any input would be greatly appreciated. >Brad Brad, I used to drive that road fairly frequently (in my Saturn, not an RV towing a car). It is a bit twisty, so don't count on averaging 60. Go for it! jim >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 20:24:57 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:24:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down on that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) Mike Bowling Green, KY -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 20:38:27 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:38:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I went to Atlanta to visit family and friends. I Spent Saturday at RA watching Trans Am and other SCCA qualifying. It was the first race of the rebirth of the Trans Am series. It was very motivating watching the cars go down the back stretch at 190+. Unfortunately I am still waiting on my machine shop to finish my head. Mike Bowling Green, KY -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:06 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 20:44:15 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:44:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the difference in time and gas. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Husmann Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. Thanks, Ernie Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Mon Mar 23 23:04:07 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:04:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end Message-ID: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in websters for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after rebuilding the entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I realize there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties have gone to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, front lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for ease of adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i know, it's nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly appreciated. [ I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 23:41:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:41:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> Message-ID: <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> Slicks are pretty pointless without proper camber, so I'd start with that. Unless your car is well set up for slicks, in fact, they will slow you down. Proper camber depends entirely on who made them, but 2 to 4 degrees is the range, and it could be higher. You also need a rational amount of camber gain, or a suspension that is screwed down so tight it doesn't move much. Bump steer is very important with slicks because they track so hard. You need to eliminate it as much as possible. Stock TR3/4 front ends have so much it's hard to believe that anyone can race them. One way that people cope with that is, again, suspension that moves about as much as a go kart. Or you can really sort it, but that requires a lot of cut and try. I'd say step one is get all of Kas's books. Most of the good thinking on TR suspension is in there. There are some additional gems in the dark history of FOT, I'd search the archives. you'll find a lot, it's been talked to death. Only problem with being new--you'll find people won't be really excited about rehashing this. toe should probably be zero--your mileage will vary, and your comfort with low toe settings will depend on caster, which you may not have. I don't recall what model TR4 starting having some caster, but you can replace the lower trunnion bearing and the upper control arms and ball joint with ones from that model and get a couple of degrees. That type of ball joint (the one with two bolts holding it to the arms) enables some adjustability of caster through shims (though you need to be careful not to bind the trunnion) and I've seen them used for some pretty clever camber adjustment. I highly recommend this. it's particularly nice to have caster if your steering ever comes adrift. SOVREN will be fine with your car if it shows up with speedsters, which can be nearly as good as slicks with the proper setup. I've run Peyote on slicks, with a lot of tuning to get it right. Good for about a second over speedsters at PIR with me driving. Someone with more panache might do better. By comparison switching to Speedsters from Vintage TDs was good for three seconds. Peyote is a bit underpowered, it's a momentum car. I put big slicks on it at Road America in a desperation ploy to move from second to first. With the suspension properly redialed I lost more than a second (from rolling resistance I suspect). I suspect a lot of FOTers recall that race. I was scheming to beat that Jahmaniac guy (whatever his name is). Would have been better off to just drive a little harder. I didn't quite understand your slick size--are you saying you're using 9.5 inch slicks? If so, what on earth are you planning to have for horsepower? On Mar 23, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in > websters > for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after > rebuilding the > entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I > realize > there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties > have gone > to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, > front > lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for > ease of > adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your > caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i > know, it's > nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly > appreciated. [ > I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 24 05:28:56 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > I didn't quite understand your slick size--are you saying you're using > 9.5 inch slicks? If so, what on earth are you planning to have for > horsepower? This is just a guess, but the 23x9.5x15 slicks are E Prod legal and a lot of autocrossers use them (for now) in E prepared (and F prepared). But they're cantilever slicks that fit on 7" rims (which used to be required in some autocross classes and are probably still in the GCR for Prod cars). I'm using these tires on my autocrosser. Another guess: Hoosier. If so, they measure on the "tread" face to about 10" wide. They are a LOT of tire! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 24 07:03:32 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: References: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090324140254.E696718763E@autox.team.net> Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. - Tony Drews At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >difference in time and gas. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging > >While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? > >Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. > >Thanks, > >Ernie From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 24 07:20:07 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:20:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <16129953.1237900807761.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Mar 24 07:33:10 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:33:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <200903240733771.SM04044@[166.70.182.40]> That sounds to good for the likes of Ernie.......... -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Munson" Sent 3/24/2009 7:20:07 AM To: "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodgingIt is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 24 07:47:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> Message-ID: <8CB7A9E37ECAA8A-11C8-22FB@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Mark, One of our FOT has come up with a design &? the tooling to produce? fully adjustable upper A-arms. A major feature is that it can be adjusted ON the car without disassembly. Two sets have been installed and I received a set a short time ago. For further information contact??? vintage.racer at comcast.net??? or??? n197tr4 at cs.com Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pendergrass To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:04 am Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in websters for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after rebuilding the entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I realize there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties have gone to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, front lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for ease of adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i know, it's nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly appreciated. [ I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 11:47:29 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: <200903240733771.SM04044@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <717180.67758.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> You bet'ya! If I can't smell used diff lube and 114 octane fuel, I just don't sleep well. --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Brad Kahler wrote: From: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging To: "mike munson" , "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 8:33 AM That sounds to good for the likes of Ernie.......... -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Munson" Sent 3/24/2009 7:20:07 AM To: "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodgingIt is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Mar 24 12:29:40 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:29:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end Message-ID: /CFFoLV: Permission denied From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 16:59:58 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon Message-ID: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> I don't know if this video falls under the category of "guys with too much time on their hands" or ???? In any event, interesting footage of the smallest F1 car to take a lap (well almost a full lap) at Infineon Raceway. Wonder what it cost to rent the track for that lap? Gary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axolD-21JM4 From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 24 17:33:17 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:33:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! Message-ID: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> Fun. Lewis driving the biggest RC controlled F1 Car >Stay with it till the end. >McLaren dollars?? What Recession??? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 24 17:36:03 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon In-Reply-To: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: That guy drives like I do! :( Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon I don't know if this video falls under the category of "guys with too much time on their hands" or ???? In any event, interesting footage of the smallest F1 car to take a lap (well almost a full lap) at Infineon Raceway. Wonder what it cost to rent the track for that lap? Gary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axolD-21JM4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 24 17:37:57 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! In-Reply-To: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <97E8918CC3004D5B9A249ECB524D763C@joepentiumnew> In case you didn't catch it, that ad was paid for by Vodafone. With their bucks in sponsorship, anything is possible. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; members at dctra.org Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! Fun. Lewis driving the biggest RC controlled F1 Car >Stay with it till the end. >McLaren dollars?? What Recession??? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 24 17:54:26 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away Message-ID: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most people wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he was still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time with him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer at. He was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that loved to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out (some people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this area. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub y-dead-81/ -Ed- From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 24 18:04:52 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Another great passes away Message-ID: <133637.80594.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First email dropped a couple of charcters from the link -Ed- --- On Tue, 3/24/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Another great passes away To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:54 PM Listers: Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most people wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he was still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time with him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer at. He was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that loved to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out (some people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this area. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub y-dead-81/ -Ed- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 18:07:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away References: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C01BD879B794B73A940DD897AA9C9DE@Bud> that's the era of guys that put the bug in me before i even knew what a road race was Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away > Listers: > Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most > people > wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he > was > still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time > with > him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer > at. He > was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that > loved > to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out > (some > people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I > could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this > area. > > http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub > y-dead-81/ > > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 19:05:46 2009 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:05:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com><20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> I Run almost strait pipes dumping out under the right door and have never even been talked to at portland. If you think it might be an issue bring some sort of diverter to dump it to the right. sound trap is on the left down the back strait. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. > and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think > your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd > have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need > more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. > > 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little > straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a > logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels > difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning > horn is 100db. > > In other words, it's not a problem. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > >> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive >> noise level? I've never made provisions for that... >> >> Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too >> loud! >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >>> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >>> the >>> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >>> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >>> >>> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >>> noise >>> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >>> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >>> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >>> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >>> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >>> supertrapp. >>> >>> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >>> less restrictive than PIR. great track. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 24 19:25:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:25:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com><20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> Message-ID: <0D47F894-6264-452C-B19C-AF4428DFEB92@bnj.com> My straight pipe does the same thing--dumps at the ground with an angle under the car. Some people say that can make the noise bounce around, but I find it to be pretty quiet and I've never had a problem. Most times i run a muffler though because i really don't need any more hearing loss, and i don't want excessively loud noise around the grandkids. I keep muffs on them, but still... On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:05 PM, quicktr4 wrote: > I Run almost strait pipes dumping out under the right door and have > never even been talked to at portland. If you think it might be an > issue bring some sort of diverter to dump it to the right. sound > trap is on the left down the back strait. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Tony Drews" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a >> problem. >> and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think >> your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd >> have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need >> more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. >> >> 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little >> straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a >> logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels >> difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning >> horn is 100db. >> >> In other words, it's not a problem. >> >> On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >>> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive >>> noise level? I've never made provisions for that... >>> >>> Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too >>> loud! >>> >>> - Tony Drews >>> >>> At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>>> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >>>> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >>>> the >>>> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >>>> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >>>> >>>> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >>>> noise >>>> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >>>> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've >>>> run >>>> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, >>>> but I >>>> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >>>> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >>>> supertrapp. >>>> >>>> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's >>>> generally >>>> less restrictive than PIR. great track. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 24 20:58:32 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:58:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away In-Reply-To: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice man, and a FAST guy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away > Listers: > Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most > people > wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he > was > still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time > with > him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer > at. He > was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that > loved > to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out > (some > people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I > could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this > area. > > http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub > y-dead-81/ > > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 25 07:14:08 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220383904388&s spagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem= Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 13:01:02 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:01:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <379E4CE7-0E19-4ECF-AF5F-20E4D67FCEBE@bnj.com> arrgh, gone for less than 19 bucks. I'd have paid more. On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220383904388&s > spagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem= > > Paul > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 25 13:33:17 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:33:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this cardboard cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and never full of himself. From REK46 at aol.com Wed Mar 25 13:42:08 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:42:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby Message-ID: The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have a fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece took at a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign it for me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him have never been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to actually get mail or email to him without being put into a circular file before he ever saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be happy to do it...BUT..he has to know about it first...there must be a celebrity barrier up.... ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 13:49:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:49:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1940FFAE-D40B-4EE5-992C-25EFB2B2E532@bnj.com> Super nice guy, i had a few great conversations with him. Just a racer, that simple. The first was when i got to race with him in Peyote while he was driving McCaw's Carrera Pan America Ferrari. We had the same animated racer talk you have with anyone you dice with. I was on cloud nine. He signed peyote's deck lid and Diane's T shirt with Diane in it. I later bought some of his pictures of the 375 MM at monterey and he autographed them, remembering Peyote in the signature. something like "good luck Peyote #222". I could tell you exactly--the back wall of my office is a temple to Phil Hill--photos, posters, artwork all featuring him., but I'm in Maui and that's in Portland. Hard to believe he's gone. The world's a lesser place. On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real > gentleman and never full of himself. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 14:01:47 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:01:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780903251301p6a0af9e5k9f1f0b6ecaa9c929@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard > cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and never > full of himself. Especially since it was his face on Bobby Rahal's body. :-) Irv From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 14:09:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:09:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill References: Message-ID: <0BFAF51BBF6F480EAD385220CF8291BD@Bud> I met Phil Hill about 3 years ago at the Sonoma Plaza wine and food event during the Wine Country Classic...I saw him from a distance..Said to myself "That has got to be Phil Hill"!...I walked over to him and introduced myself, simply telling him what an honor it was to meet him...what a Great, personable guy Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill >I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard > cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and > never > full of himself. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 25 14:10:49 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:10:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: Yup, Jack wanted this cardboard cutout from a bar in Plymouth, WI and was about to liberate it, but decided to off the bartender $10 bucks for it. I think you were with us, IRV. Phil want to know where we got a cardboard cutout of him..."where did you get that!!!". So we had to tell him it was really Bobby Rahal's body. He loved it. > Especially since it was his face on Bobby Rahal's body. > > :-) > > Irv From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Mar 25 14:28:50 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby Message-ID: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Carroll will autograph almost anything if you make a donation to his charity. No, it ain't cheap! http://www.carrollshelbymerchandise.com/autograph Kurt O. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have a > fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece took at > a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign it for > me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him have never > been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to actually get mail > or email to him without being put into a circular file before he ever > saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be happy to do it...BUT..he > has to know about it first...there must be a celebrity barrier up.... > > > ************** > Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F > %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 14:40:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:40:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby In-Reply-To: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <6DAF3823-0ACD-4DFC-8B91-552D3B9CECFB@bnj.com> Actually, for a non-sponsored deal, that's a lot less than the going rate. On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:28 AM, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Carroll will autograph almost anything if you make a donation to his > charity. No, it ain't cheap! > > http://www.carrollshelbymerchandise.com/autograph > > Kurt O. > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > >> The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have >> a fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece >> took at a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign >> it for me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him >> have never been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to >> actually get mail or email to him without being put into a circular >> file before he ever saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be >> happy to do it...BUT..he has to know about it first...there must be >> a celebrity barrier up.... >> >> >> ************** >> Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F >> %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:22:51 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon Message-ID: <283424800.1249491238034171548.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Gary Horstkorda: Thanks for reminding me why I have not been back to a CSRG event at Infineon!! Regards,B B John James TR4 #116 B formerly TR4 #24 From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:47:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon References: <283424800.1249491238034171548.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <65413512C4174AD7AC8D40498CAD0397@Bud> Hello...Please explain thanks Racer Bud CSRG member ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon > Gary Horstkorda: Thanks for reminding me why I have not been back to a > CSRG > event at Infineon!! > > > > Regards,B > > > > B John James > > TR4 #116 > > B formerly TR4 > > #24 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Mar 25 21:20:45 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:20:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thanks from #65 Message-ID: <7F6EA8A1EBDA4259BEC67977F3B1967E@Pendys> I really appreciate FOT's input and want to say thank you for your responce to my tr4 front end questions. I am good to go !! Mark Pendergrass ( Pendy) tr4 #65 From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Mar 26 04:02:22 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? Message-ID: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon -Ed- From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Mar 26 05:33:30 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are no more drivers who will do it all. Sure some have the talent to, but will never have the chance because of the high degree of specialization in all classes now-a-days, and the contractural climate of today's professional motorsports. Terry Stetler. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 08:34:23 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes we will never see again. Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, fuel tanks on wheels, little or no driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I would hold in the same regard as Fangio, Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but because they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors script. Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. Jim Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! B http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 B Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon -Ed- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 09:28:50 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:28:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The great drivers feed the myths of motorsports... the stories. Statistics will always be there for those who think "stats" are what racing is about (kind of like baseball). I've always felt it was the stories... the myths that are more enduring. When Michael Schumacher retired a number of fans on another forum claimed he was the greatest driver who ever lived... maybe. It's all relative. In 50 or 100 years which will be more enduring? Will we still be telling stories about Schummi and his wins, done in a car that is essentially a rolling video game? Or will the tales told of Nuvolari and Varzi or Fangio or Clark or for that matter Hill, Balchowski, Gurney, Sachs and Shelby still inspire and awe? I think you know what my answer would be. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes we > will never see again. > > Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, fuel > tanks on wheels, little or no > > driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I would > hold in the same regard as Fangio, > > Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. > > Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but because > they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors > script. > > Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. > > Jim Gray > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America > Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his > passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! > B > http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 > B > Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, > Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock > cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children > speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every > era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated > showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but > bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... > Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon > -Ed- > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Mar 26 09:38:35 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? Message-ID: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My car is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books dateing back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i am trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original issue March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. At that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at Blackhawk, Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a Mr. Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the car #. Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which time it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt like the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland ran the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the facelift time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph Janssen in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old hot rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a phone # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no avail.Just thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has some input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Mar 26 09:46:52 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <605103baecc59f79cf6515d03c3962c4.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Hi Mark, I was crewing on Chip Bond's TR-4 at the time that Jerry Mowery raced that car. We even worked on it a little bit for him. He had Kearney's Race Service doing most of the work for him at the time, as I recall. Jerry is now (or was last year) racing a Datsun Z-car, a yellow one as I recall. I don't know if I have any photos of it, but Chip might. Go to http://www.gt-classics.com for his contact info. He can probably tell you a bit about the car during the time that Jerry had it. On Thu, March 26, 2009 11:38 am, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My > car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books > dateing > back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i > am > trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original > issue > March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. > At > that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at > Blackhawk, > Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a > Mr. > Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced > from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the > car #. > Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a > brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which > time > it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) > deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt > like > the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some > reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland > ran > the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the > facelift > time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph > Janssen > in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home > track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old > hot > rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a > phone > # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no > avail.Just > thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has > some > input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 26 09:48:02 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <20090326164728.9A9D618767A@autox.team.net> >in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home >track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old hot Portland or Phoenix? From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 11:42:25 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:42:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <8D2C3438120F4125A57F378435A60BBD@Bud> Hi Mark and all.I don't know where your car came from..but thank you for spurring my interest in finding one of my old ones..I raced 2 different TR4s on the west coast in that era..I know where one of them is, but I sure would like to find the other... The car was black with yellow wheels and racing stripes and a very high roll bar when i raced it. in the San Francisco Region...I sold it to TERRY LAWRENCE in San francisco southern peninsula area...he painted it a very pretty pale green with i think a white racing stripe..I tried into the 1980s to find him and/or the car..no luck. anybody remember Racer Bud's old Love? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? >I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My >car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books > dateing > back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i > am > trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original > issue > March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. > At > that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at > Blackhawk, > Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a > Mr. > Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced > from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the > car #. > Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a > brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which > time > it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) > deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt > like > the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some > reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland > ran > the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the > facelift > time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph > Janssen > in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home > track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old > hot > rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a > phone > # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no > avail.Just > thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has > some > input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 11:58:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> We had the heroes....and many of them came up from scratch...a big difference then was that ..There was a dream available with a goal in sight.....driving our hearts out in our Triumphs, Mgs whatever...hoping to be noticed and scooped up by a big Can-Am team ..It was a realistic dream because it did happen.....and many of the leaders that were racing then came up that way...John Cannon's life was changed when he brought his very outdated modified car to Laguna Seca and won, (or placed very high in it) in a rain race... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "James Gray" ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > The great drivers feed the myths of motorsports... the stories. Statistics > will always be there for those who think "stats" are what racing is about > (kind of like baseball). I've always felt it was the stories... the myths > that > are more enduring. When Michael Schumacher retired a number of fans on > another > forum claimed he was the greatest driver who ever lived... maybe. > > It's all relative. In 50 or 100 years which will be more enduring? Will we > still be telling stories about Schummi and his wins, done in a car that is > essentially a rolling video game? Or will the tales told of Nuvolari and > Varzi > or Fangio or Clark or for that matter Hill, Balchowski, Gurney, Sachs and > Shelby still inspire and awe? > > I think you know what my answer would be. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 >> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >> >> There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes >> we >> will never see again. >> >> Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, > fuel >> tanks on wheels, little or no >> >> driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I > would >> hold in the same regard as Fangio, >> >> Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. >> >> Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but > because >> they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors >> script. >> >> Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. >> >> Jim Gray >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "EDWARD BARNARD" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America >> Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >> >> Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his >> passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! >> B >> http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 >> B >> Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. >> Mario, >> Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, > stock >> cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our > children >> speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. > Every >> era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated >> showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you >> think, > but >> bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... >> Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon >> -Ed- >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Thu Mar 26 13:10:46 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <9559C3B6FAE64BEE8B477D8AED3CF871@Bud> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <373F220788F24251B78602C00A01EFE8@KasPC> <9559C3B6FAE64BEE8B477D8AED3CF871@Bud> Message-ID: <3866F990AC3B41D9A397A83367240155@KasPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; "James Gray" ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >I met Ronnie Bucknam's second wife(I can't remember her name..can someone >refresh me?) at a non auto related function here in Sonoma...She said that >Ronnie's Porsche was put at the back of the grid at Riverside for some >reason...He was very hot about it... still went on to win the race, and >that's when Honda hired him..She was with him throughout his F1 days...said >it was incredible! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: "RACER BUD" ; ; "James > Gray" ; > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > >> The biggest move I ever heard or saw was when Ronnie Bucknum went from >> racing an MGB in Cal Club to be the first driver for the Honda Formula >> one effort. Now that is a move. >> Lew Spencer went from Morgan driver to one of the first in Shelby's Cobra >> team. George Follmer drove everything also. Porsche 356 in Cal Club , >> Trans Am champ in the under 2 liter division then with Parnelli in the >> Mustang team and in F-1 and also the big Porsche Can-Am cars. Winner >> everywhere. Both Lew and George are still around having a good time. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RACER BUD" >> To: ; "James Gray" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:58 AM >> Subject> From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 26 13:51:39 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:51:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Twin Spitfire carbs and GT6 hubs Message-ID: Thanks for all your help. I figured out the aluminum hubs I have will work with 4" backspace wheels, which I had a pair of. I alos ordered a set of Spitfire twin SUs from Phil at Quantum. As usual, will give a full report in the magazine and at our website. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 26 15:33:58 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: Message-ID: <755E9E23FD5440A48247C608FC0E07F9@userb38463fba5> Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of the WPTA regulars may want to attend. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Brad Kahler'" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning >I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb > Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down > on > that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) > > Mike > Bowling Green, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning > > We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering > if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B > Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad From chasgee at aol.com Thu Mar 26 16:48:17 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> Message-ID: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> When this topic comes up, Joe Alexander always comes to mind. I've seen him race a TR4 and a Triumph bicycle on the same weekend. Very impressive! Chuck From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 16:52:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:52:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8166A3646C074A89A50E0BD4E7226D3B@Bud> Hey Joe..do you do road cycling?...Centuries, etc? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > When this topic comes up, Joe Alexander always comes to mind. I've seen > him race a TR4 and a Triumph bicycle on the same weekend. Very > impressive! > > Chuck From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 17:03:45 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <755E9E23FD5440A48247C608FC0E07F9@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <982108.27904.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jerry: VCDA over Easter weekend; April 10 - 12, 2009 --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: From: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning To: "Mike Munson" , "'Brad Kahler'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:33 PM Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of the WPTA regulars may want to attend. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Brad Kahler'" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning > I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb > Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down on > that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) > > Mike > Bowling Green, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning > > We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 26 17:18:14 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49CC0D36.2040103@141.com> From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 26 17:43:58 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49CC133E.5020206@141.com> /nTrVWL: Permission denied From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 17:54:44 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: Hmmmm, thanks for the heads up. I will have to forward this email to my three kids:) Marty > From: mpendy at dishmail.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:35 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? > > I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago. _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 20:43:02 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:43:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Andre ? I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them to work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. Cheers, Bob T. '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Tire So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I learn and prep. If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? Toyo R888? Too aggressive? Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. Anything else I should look for? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Mar 26 21:02:02 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:02:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: History Corrected... Message-ID: <000c01c9ae88$680ae6e0$1502a8c0@Belkin> Looks like the books will reflect what really happened at Sebring in 1957. Ken Breslauer is the historian for Sebring. See below.. Thank you Mr. Johns. www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Johns To: Mike Cook ; John Herrera ; Jeff Krupp ; Jeff Kelley ; Mordy Dunst Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Fw: History Corrected... I talked to Ken Breslauer, Editor of the Sebring Record Book and Communications Director at Sebring, and he has agreed to correct the official record book upon reprinting of the book in two years for the 60th anniversary of Sebring. I offered to make available to him all the photos and data desired to confirm the facts, but he is satisfied and we all look forward to the published record being corrected. Robert Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Gasket Works To: Casey Annis ; Robert Johns Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:24 AM Subject: History Corrected... The History books need to be rewritten. The 1957 Sebring results are somewhat incorrect (see below) in the #2 link. The correct version is the photographic evidence Mr. Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver in #34 1957 put together. He will be traveling to Sebring to set the record straight. See the new photos and details in link #1. I made the photos larger and it may take a bit to download. #1) http://www.fot-racing.com/historic/index.html #2) http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1957/57seb.html Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 05:06:53 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> You may want to check with whatevver vintage org you will be running with to see if they approve R888. looks great but may not fit SVRA, for example Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Andre > ? > I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them > to work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. > > Cheers, > Bob T. > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [Fot] Tire > > > > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Mar 27 05:44:01 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903270444h23bcbc8dhee7fd09e2b3b6a90@mail.gmail.com> The R888 is the replacement for the RA1 so I don't see why not, but I'd be inclined to ask VARAC too. A. 2009/3/27 Scott Janzen : > You may want to check with whatevver vintage org you will be running with to > see if they approve R888. looks great but may not fit SVRA, for example > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> Andre >> ? >> I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them to >> work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. >> >> Cheers, >> Bob T. >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andre Rousseau >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Tire >> >> >> >> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I >> learn and prep. >> >> If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? >> >> Toyo R888? Too aggressive? >> Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. >> >> Anything else I should look for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 27 18:29:36 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:29:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 27 19:19:50 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: <982108.27904.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F8988182157466E9C3AC0446F1045EA@userb38463fba5> Darn, not doable for me over Easter weekend. I really like VIR and want to go back there with my FOT friends. Always a fun time. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Husmann To: fot at autox.team.net ; Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning Jerry: VCDA over Easter weekend; April 10 - 12, 2009 --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: From: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning To: "Mike Munson" , "'Brad Kahler'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:33 PM Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of theWPTA regulars may want to attend.Jerry Van Vlack ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 20:00:12 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002a01c9af48$eeb73520$cc259f60$@net> What are all the switches for? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 20:04:54 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002a01c9af48$eeb73520$cc259f60$@net> Message-ID: <913C7794A9E44AE58EE5D9E2ADA65641@Bud> Those switches automatically pump out blood pressure medicine when we realize that we could have bought that car in 1988 for $1500.00 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig" To: "'steve'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > What are all the switches for? > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of steve > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:30 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 27 20:26:43 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side pipes are ugly enough. On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, steve wrote: > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Mar 27 20:52:26 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <20090327.205227.2112.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> The Cosmics look nice. . . Bill On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:43 -1000 Bill Babcock writes: > Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side > > pipes are ugly enough. > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, steve wrote: > > > Hold onto your socks! > > > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Need Basketball Tickets? Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDyW11WF2NK9C3TkeDP2Qo91xz80d4ZBbkJkTqb7PKzUALniThE0w/ From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 27 21:49:11 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Belongs to Herman Munster? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of steve Sent: March 27, 2009 8:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 06:29:41 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:29:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well done Brawn. Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after a while we will get used to it. Chris From andre at gt6.ca Sat Mar 28 06:36:56 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903280536x5fb109a6sa754b2218c2f4c22@mail.gmail.com> I still can't decide if teams are sand bagging it or not... We'll see how race strategy plays out. Did anyone see Brawn landed VIRGIN. Honda must be shaking their heads right about now. A. 2009/3/28 MadMarx : > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 28 06:39:56 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel spacing Message-ID: <49CE1A9C.9060207@cfl.rr.com> Anyone care to comment on whether a set of wheels meant for an MGA with stock offset will work on a TR3? I know lug nut spacing is okay. thxx, Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 06:44:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:44:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Herman Munster? I remember that cool show. In one episode they build a drag racer out of a casket and the exhaust pipes were taken from the organ grandfather played. They won the race I think but the parachute was lost somehow an Herman tried to slow down the car with getting towed behind on his feet. They were in flames after. Funny. You US people know best how to make good shows (in most cases) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Paul MacDonald Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 04:49 An: steve; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Belongs to Herman Munster? From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 06:48:16 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Tube bending Message-ID: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am getting ready to build a cage for my current project - 1 1/2" mild steel. Can anyone recommend a tubing bender? Type, Mfg., Source. Thanks Dennis From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 07:24:19 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots of aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and craigs list... Saying yes to spring... M From mpendy at dishmail.net Sat Mar 28 08:55:44 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 hp and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. > "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If > I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every > hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap > performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine > bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good > bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, > especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have > narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost > equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". > It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." > > > > Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use the > 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the beef and > enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots of > aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and craigs > list... > > Saying yes to spring... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 09:00:40 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine assembly web page Message-ID: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Tony, Thanks for taking the time to publish these pics. I am just about to doctor my oil pan. Noticed that you went top to bottom with the baffle for the length of the opening on one side. I understood the comp manual says it should float 3/8" (I think) from the bottom. Have you run this design? I like the idea. Also I am guessing there is no need for a baffle on the other side or across the pan for hard braking? A COTS pan (commercial off the shelf) for my mustang boxed the pickup with trap doors which is why I was curious - overkill??? On the front of the pan where second peice is welded to the primary peice, I eyeball the float off the bottom of the pan to be ~1/2"? Thanks again for the pics!!! M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 09:13:30 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:13:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 hp > and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. > > >> "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that >> wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, >> like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of >> cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get >> parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford >> rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap >> meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a >> million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw >> around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG >> rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a >> 9" or a TR." >> >> >> >> Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use >> the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the >> beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots >> of aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and >> craigs list... >> >> Saying yes to spring... >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > I wasn't sure of the specs but I wouldn't wish the mass of my Mustang's narrowed 9" on any self respecting TR. On the plus side it might move the weight distribution toward 50:50 but so would a bag of cement in the trunk. I see the 8" in Nitrous burning Mustangs north of 650hp - no-doubt with after-market upgrades. They are cheap... Cheers, M From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:52:26 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the larger defusers and even out the field. But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] F1 practice Well done Brawn. Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after a while we will get used to it. Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:59:27 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:59:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. > Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the > larger defusers and even out the field. > > But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] F1 practice > > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but > after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 10:10:04 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:10:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> Message-ID: <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> In this case it is all about "the spirit of the rules" instead of "the letter of the rules". Mosley made it quite clear that the intent was to limit the area of the diffusers in order to greatly decrease downforce and thus to slow the cars down. All but 3 teams worked around that intent but 3 did not and used a loophole to get a much greater amount of downforce. During all the practices leading up to the first race, it was evident that this was going to be an issue and it would not surprise me to find that The other teams have been re-engineering the diffusers in anticipation of possibility that the FIA would rule that Brawn et al were correct in their application of the new rule. The grid for this first race is indeed looking strange with the Toyotas sent back to the back of the field for rear wing infringement and Hamilton losing 5 spots (from a 15th place qualifying spot) for gearbox replacement. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:59 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. > Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the > larger defusers and even out the field. > > But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] F1 practice > > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but > after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Mar 28 10:33:03 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 106-old Racer at Brands Hatch Message-ID: The last item on the BBC news two nights ago was the story about this person who had always followed racing and who always wanted to race a car. So it was arranged and we can see from the in-car camera, this 106-old person agressively driving this sedan at 100 MPH.around Brands Hatch. SHE WILL TURN 107 NEXT MONTH ! Now you know the rest of the story. From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 28 10:35:00 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:35:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: In a message dated 03/27/2009 8:27:21 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side > pipes are ugly enough. > Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here in the fifties. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 10:39:19 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the regulation then what is point of printing the rules? You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the penalty for this infraction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] F1 practice > In this case it is all about "the spirit of the rules" instead of "the > letter of the rules". Mosley made it quite clear that the intent was to > limit the area of the diffusers in order to greatly decrease downforce and > thus to slow the cars down. All but 3 teams worked around that intent but > 3 > did not and used a loophole to get a much greater amount of downforce. > > During all the practices leading up to the first race, it was evident that > this was going to be an issue and it would not surprise me to find that > The > other teams have been re-engineering the diffusers in anticipation of > possibility that the FIA would rule that Brawn et al were correct in their > application of the new rule. > > The grid for this first race is indeed looking strange with the Toyotas > sent > back to the back of the field for rear wing infringement and Hamilton > losing > 5 spots (from a 15th place qualifying spot) for gearbox replacement. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > > F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have > experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track > addressing > a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board > room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by > said > technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > > >> Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser >> issue. >> Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the >> larger defusers and even out the field. >> >> But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of MadMarx >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM >> To: 'FOT' >> Subject: [Fot] F1 practice >> >> Well done Brawn. >> Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but >> after >> a while we will get used to it. >> >> Chris >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 28 10:41:45 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:41:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] F1 practice Message-ID: In a message dated 03/28/2009 9:59:54 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have > experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing > a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board > room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said > technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. > I am not sure, but I think they copied that after our USA government. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 10:50:53 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:50:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> Message-ID: I don't think it is a matter of enforcing the spirit if the rules as much as further defining them so that everyone is operating from the same page. I doubt any team would be opposed to using more downforce so if it is deemed that the cars using the larger diffusers are indeed legal, I am betting you will see the rest of the field with similar designs at the next race following the FIA's decision. There was some confusing information that was disseminated last year when all that wording came about and it would appear that none of the three teams that are using the larger diffusers were present when this topic was discussed in detail. So if "ignorance is bliss" applies in this case, they might get away with it when all is said and done. Regardless, it makes for some amusing and exciting scenarios as it plays out. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:39 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the regulation then what is point of printing the rules? You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the penalty for this infraction. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 11:11:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: HERMAN MUNSTER HAD A TERRIFIC LAUGH Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Herman Munster? > I remember that cool show. > In one episode they build a drag racer out of a casket and the exhaust > pipes > were taken from the organ grandfather played. > They won the race I think but the parachute was lost somehow an Herman > tried > to slow down the car with getting towed behind on his feet. They were in > flames after. > > Funny. You US people know best how to make good shows (in most cases) > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Paul MacDonald > Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 04:49 > An: steve; FOT > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Belongs to Herman Munster? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 28 11:15:57 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs Message-ID: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Fellow Diff Duffersb& As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall that Hot Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found it required about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a TR unit takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights either, but guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. All Geared up In Nor Calb& Nick From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 28 11:16:21 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs Message-ID: <8CB7DE00CC138CE-1464-2C3F@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Fellow Diff Duffersb& As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall that Hot Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found it required about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a TR unit takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights either, but guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. All Geared up In Nor Calb& Nick From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 11:21:17 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:21:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090328182030.24CC718766D@autox.team.net> I have essentially a Ford 8" rear end in my car (was done well before the Southwick conversion was developed). It fits better than a 9" would. The stock axle has a pretty small pumpkin. Not as many gear ratios available as for the 9", but the available ratios line up pretty closely with the stock Triumph ratios - 3.7, 4.11, 4.56. Much easier to replace ring and pinion than on the stock rear axle. It's still HEAVY though. Without driver in the car and with half a tank of gas my corner weights are with 5 lbs of each other, but my car's overall weight is 200 lbs heavier than Jack's car was (2150 lbs vs 1950 lbs). I think the rear axle accounts for about 100 lbs of the difference. I could replace the diff carrier with an aluminum one and save maybe 10 to 15 lbs (and lighten my wallet to boot!). Also, Detroit Lockers are plentiful for these axles. The axles used in the Southwick conversion are cut down Ford 8" axles, so that design is certainly appropriate. There's a lot of detail bits that go into installing an alternate rear axle (altered drive shaft, figuring out brake routing / bias, attachment to rear springs immediately come to mind), so I'm not sure if you save money over a Southwick conversion. You need to make sure to source one with DRUM brakes if you don't want to be bumped to the "cheatin dog" groups. - Tony At 10:13 AM 3/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Mark Pendergrass wrote: >>Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 >>hp and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" >> >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. >> >> >>>"You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that >>>wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a >>>Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. >>>Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You >>>can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen >>>complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches >>>for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote >>>and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. >>>Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost >>>equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a >>>9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." >>> >>> >>> >>>Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers >>>use the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not >>>needing the beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples >>>of TR HP. Lots of aftermarket options and you can get parts at >>>quickie marts and craigs list... >>> >>>Saying yes to spring... >>> >>>M >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >I wasn't sure of the specs but I wouldn't wish the mass of my >Mustang's narrowed 9" on any self respecting TR. On the plus side it >might move the weight distribution toward 50:50 but so would a bag >of cement in the trunk. > >I see the 8" in Nitrous burning Mustangs north of 650hp - no-doubt >with after-market upgrades. They are cheap... > >Cheers, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 28 11:22:32 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:22:32 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <55E0180F-21AD-4C60-9108-78F33C66F784@bnj.com> Diff Duffers! I like that, nice alliteration. All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. On Mar 28, 2009, at 7:15 AM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Fellow Diff Duffersb& > As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall > that Hot > Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found > it required > about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a > TR unit > takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights > either, but > guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. > > All Geared up In Nor Calb& > Nick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 28 11:25:38 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. From dave at microworks.net Sat Mar 28 11:26:19 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:26:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> Message-ID: <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> The speed may actually have more to do with the teams that started developing their 09 cars sooner are ahead of last years front running teams in the current development cycle rather then just the diffuser issue. This seems plausible if you look at the qualifying weight of the cars - now that the teams have to reveal how much fuel they have on board. Button has enough fuel to go 22 laps while Massa can only go as far as 18 laps. Kubica in the BMW will be stopping on lap 17 http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=45376 At 09:50 AM 3/28/2009, you wrote: >I don't think it is a matter of enforcing the spirit if the rules as much as >further defining them so that everyone is operating from the same page. > >I doubt any team would be opposed to using more downforce so if it is deemed >that the cars using the larger diffusers are indeed legal, I am betting you >will see the rest of the field with similar designs at the next race >following the FIA's decision. > >There was some confusing information that was disseminated last year when >all that wording came about and it would appear that none of the three teams >that are using the larger diffusers were present when this topic was >discussed in detail. So if "ignorance is bliss" applies in this case, they >might get away with it when all is said and done. > >Regardless, it makes for some amusing and exciting scenarios as it plays >out. > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:39 AM >To: Joe Curry >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > >If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the >regulation then what is point of printing the rules? > >You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers >were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which > >were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. >They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN >regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was > >possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with >each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation > >must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up >as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. > >After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then >perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the >penalty for this infraction. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 11:33:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine assembly web page In-Reply-To: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> References: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090328183215.04F2F18766D@autox.team.net> Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit lower oil level. I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. - Tony At 10:00 AM 3/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Tony, > >Thanks for taking the time to publish these pics. I am just about to >doctor my oil pan. Noticed that you went top to bottom with the >baffle for the length of the opening on one side. I understood the >comp manual says it should float 3/8" (I think) from the bottom. >Have you run this design? I like the idea. Also I am guessing there >is no need for a baffle on the other side or across the pan for hard >braking? A COTS pan (commercial off the shelf) for my mustang boxed >the pickup with trap doors which is why I was curious - overkill??? > >On the front of the pan where second peice is welded to the primary >peice, I eyeball the float off the bottom of the pan to be ~1/2"? > >Thanks again for the pics!!! > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 28 12:21:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB7DE9313DB7B7-CDC-369E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> find a guy who specializes in building stock car chassis.? these guys are wizards in tube forming and welding...usually -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap To: FOT Sent: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 7:48 am Subject: [Fot] Tube bending AMICI - I am getting ready to build a cage for my current project - 1 1/2" mild steel. Can anyone recommend a tubing bender? Type, Mfg., Source. Thanks Dennis Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From REK46 at aol.com Sat Mar 28 12:26:34 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:26:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tube bending Message-ID: where are you located? ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecred itreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3Dfebemailf ooterNO62) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 12:57:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:57:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: May well be, but the KERS issue has a lot to do with it as well. The Brawn cars are not running KERS this year and will have to do so next year. Ferrari is running the technology on both cars. Since there are a lot of issues with weight distribution when using that technology, it can cause some tradeoffs to achieving optimum results. Ferrari spent a lot of their development time on KERS while Brawn spent all their time on aerodynamic development. I wonder whether Brawn would be as fast at this time if KERS has been mandated for this season. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:26 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice The speed may actually have more to do with the teams that started developing their 09 cars sooner are ahead of last years front running teams in the current development cycle rather then just the diffuser issue. This seems plausible if you look at the qualifying weight of the cars - now that the teams have to reveal how much fuel they have on board. Button has enough fuel to go 22 laps while Massa can only go as far as 18 laps. Kubica in the BMW will be stopping on lap 17 http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=45376 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 13:00:29 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <49CE73CD.7090501@twcny.rr.com> Tony Drews wrote: > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > lower oil level. > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > - Tony > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of the hole in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left turn side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on a hard left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to picture oil moving very quickly. So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or two steps to keep it close to the pickup. The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the bottom just before the 1/" relief. At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the bottom 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to consumption or away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and on it hard? Am I overthinking this??? M From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 13:03:51 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:03:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... Message-ID: My baffling did use trap doors to keep oil around the pickup. Fill your pan to a couple inches below static level with water and walk around with it for a bit. Run it low because you'll not have normal level when running, a lot of it will be up in the engine. Rolling the pan around will give you some idea what the oil is doing on track. In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: Tony Drews wrote: > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > lower oil level. > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > - Tony > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of the hole in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left turn side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on a hard left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to picture oil moving very quickly. So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or two steps to keep it close to the pickup. The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the bottom just before the 1/" relief. At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the bottom 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to consumption or away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and on it hard? Am I overthinking this??? M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 28 13:05:14 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] An errant washer Message-ID: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> My drive-to-work, everyday car is a disreputably kept 1971 Porsche 911 T showing 329,000 miles on the odometer. The paint scheme is determined by a collection of junkyard replacements garnered by the 30+ years of utility driving. The rust is honestly earned and the myriad colors determined by natural selection. Mechanically the car is kept to reasonably high standards. Through the years the running gear has gradually been transformed into something of a sub- "S" model. Last week I spent an evening converting the air cleaners on the Weber's to a later design. This is a flat-six engine with a 3 barrel down-draft carburetor on each side. In the course of that operation a small washer fell down one of the throats of the left-hand carburetor. The throttle was closed so it didn't fall all the way through. After trying to rescue the washer with one of those magnets on a slide-shaft, I gave up. The magnet head couldn't get past the flow dividers that direct the intake swirl. There was nothing to do but pull the carburetor off and turn it upside down and shake the washer out. However whilst unclipping the throttle linkage, I accidentally opened the butterfly and, Opps, the washer dropped through the intake manifold. With the carb out of the way I could barely see the edge of the washer where it had lodged half way into the open intake valve. With the first touch of the magnet-on-a-stick inside the head, the little bugger fell into the combustion chamber! This had definitely gotten out of hand. Years ago I learned in a casino, if your luck is running sour, leave the table. So I closed the shop for the night. The next day I told my friend, Neil Estes, about my plight. His response was, "Don't worry about it, I'll get it out." In light of my anxiety, his cockiness was somewhat offensive. In any event he turned up at my shop that evening with a stainless steel wire epoxied to a small magnet out of one of those cheap little screwdrivers with a shirt pocket clip. In less than 90 seconds, at the cost of a steak dinner, he fished the errant washer out of the combustion chamber! It and the magnet now hang proudly in my shop. There's an old saw, "smart's good, luck's better." But better yet is a smart, lucky friend. Richard L. Taylor From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 13:12:08 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Very good point Joe, but with the back and forth issue of the FIA on several other points may mean that they back out of KERS also. It could happen. Interesting, and to make that point further is the crew must wait until the electronics experts discharge the car before they can work on it. How about on a quick repair in the pit lane during the race.................dum dee dum dum, or even a crash and medical team exposure to the effects. They have advocated making the minimum weight higher and that would be good for next year but better in my mind is to stop allowing the moveable boggy weight to be used. Constant weight and assigned by wheelbase dimension center point by regulation. Fixed. The smaller teams will have a hell'va time with the KERS as that will mean more people to take care of that one item. EXPENSE. Any change always incurs additional expense. You want to make racing cheaper? EASY, stop changing the rules. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 13:17:21 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:17:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Kas, I expect that KERS came about solely with the intent to make F1 appear politically correct. Since being "GREEN" is in favor around the world in these times, having some technology aimed in that direction is deemed to be a good thing in the eyes of the powers that govern F1. And it is definitely expensive so it flies in the face of the other things they are trying to accomplish. Sorta makes one say, "HMMMMM"!!! Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:12 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice Very good point Joe, but with the back and forth issue of the FIA on several other points may mean that they back out of KERS also. It could happen. Interesting, and to make that point further is the crew must wait until the electronics experts discharge the car before they can work on it. How about on a quick repair in the pit lane during the race.................dum dee dum dum, or even a crash and medical team exposure to the effects. They have advocated making the minimum weight higher and that would be good for next year but better in my mind is to stop allowing the moveable boggy weight to be used. Constant weight and assigned by wheelbase dimension center point by regulation. Fixed. The smaller teams will have a hell'va time with the KERS as that will mean more people to take care of that one item. EXPENSE. Any change always incurs additional expense. You want to make racing cheaper? EASY, stop changing the rules. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 13:17:28 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:17:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An errant washer In-Reply-To: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: Having a similar problem at the race track just before grid time I used a glob of wheel bearing grease on the screwdriver to get the devil out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: [Fot] An errant washer > My drive-to-work, everyday car is a disreputably kept 1971 Porsche 911 T > showing 329,000 miles on the odometer. The paint scheme is determined by a > collection of junkyard replacements garnered by the 30+ years of utility > driving. The rust is honestly earned and the myriad colors determined by > natural selection. > > > > Mechanically the car is kept to reasonably high standards. Through the > years > the running gear has gradually been transformed into something of a sub- > "S" > model. > > > > Last week I spent an evening converting the air cleaners on the Weber's to > a > later design. This is a flat-six engine with a 3 barrel down-draft > carburetor on each side. In the course of that operation a small washer > fell down one of the throats of the left-hand carburetor. The throttle was > closed so it didn't fall all the way through. After trying to rescue the > washer with one of those magnets on a slide-shaft, I gave up. The magnet > head couldn't get past the flow dividers that direct the intake swirl. > There > was nothing to do but pull the carburetor off and turn it upside down and > shake the washer out. > > > > However whilst unclipping the throttle linkage, I accidentally opened the > butterfly and, Opps, the washer dropped through the intake manifold. With > the carb out of the way I could barely see the edge of the washer where it > had lodged half way into the open intake valve. With the first touch of > the > magnet-on-a-stick inside the head, the little bugger fell into the > combustion chamber! This had definitely gotten out of hand. Years ago I > learned in a casino, if your luck is running sour, leave the table. So I > closed the shop for the night. > > > > The next day I told my friend, Neil Estes, about my plight. His response > was, "Don't worry about it, I'll get it out." In light of my anxiety, his > cockiness was somewhat offensive. In any event he turned up at my shop > that > evening with a stainless steel wire epoxied to a small magnet out of one > of > those cheap little screwdrivers with a shirt pocket clip. In less than 90 > seconds, at the cost of a steak dinner, he fished the errant washer out of > the combustion chamber! It and the magnet now hang proudly in my shop. > > > > There's an old saw, "smart's good, luck's better." But better yet is a > smart, lucky friend. > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 28 14:49:09 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:49:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: The whole KERS thing is a fiasco of the highest order. Would anyone really believe that an F1 car is "green"? If placating the European green political sensibilities is that important, they should just mandate diesel engines and get on with it. Or better yet, go to much smaller displacement engines and kill two birds with one stone. A 1.5 litre naturally aspirated formula would give the impression of "downsizing" for the environment, and would without doubt slow the cars down without all the aero tom-foolery we are seeing in the current formula. I miss real F1 already. Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 14:49:14 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:49:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <55E0180F-21AD-4C60-9108-78F33C66F784@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the > transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree > direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. > Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : 1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only lose 5 hp in the diff. 2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, trans, diff to full synthetic. I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The smaller Ford might not be that much worse. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 15:15:20 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here > in the fifties. Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the ends, so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust system was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:41:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:42:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: <98A7F06B65B94D70891F97D13318A35F@Bud> killing 2 birds with a stone is not green(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Joe Curry" ; "Kas Kastner" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > The whole KERS thing is a fiasco of the highest order. > > Would anyone really believe that an F1 car is "green"? > > If placating the European green political sensibilities is that important, > they should just mandate diesel engines and get on with it. > > Or better yet, go to much smaller displacement engines and kill two birds > with > one stone. A 1.5 litre naturally aspirated formula would give the > impression > of "downsizing" for the environment, and would without doubt slow the cars > down without all the aero tom-foolery we are seeing in the current > formula. > > I miss real F1 already. > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 15:42:52 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:42:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:49:52 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: Message-ID: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 15:52:06 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:52:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: That's how I remember it too... In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:50:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: _Gt6steve at aol.com_ (mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com) To: _budscars at comcast.net_ (mailto:budscars at comcast.net) ; _tr3driver at ca.rr.com_ (mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com) Cc: _fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _budscars at comcast.net_ (mailto:budscars at comcast.net) writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" <_tr3driver at ca.rr.com_ (mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com) > Cc: <_fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________ Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? _Make dinner for $10 or less_ (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) . **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 15:55:12 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:55:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> Message-ID: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" Lakes pipes Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat Mar 28 15:59:33 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:59:33 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: Stove pipes .... great ! where can I get em !!! ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" > > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for > decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM > To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that > lakes > was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were > like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other > cool > custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean > custom look > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > > I thought Lake was a manufacturer? > > > In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked > in > the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes > pipe"...... > How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? > Racer Bud > Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > > >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here > >> in the fifties. > > > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > > ends, > > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > > system > > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > > > Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > - > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 28 16:00:15 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <48C78FC0FFE04FD792CF68DDC7AAE79A@richardiipc> I'm with you, Randall. And the "lake" was the Bonneville Salt Lake Flats for top speed runs. The actual caps on the pipe were called Lake Plugs. I think the idea was that you drove to the Salt Lake Flats, removed the blanking plates, ran your wheels off, then capped off your lake pipes and drove home. Richard Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the ends, so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust system was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:06:11 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:06:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Still another opinion was in this link: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/51874 Question: What are "lake pipes" in the lyric, "And she purrs like a kitten 'till the lake pipes roar" in the song Little Deuce Coupe by The Beach Boys? Answer: Lake Pipes are (or were) an aftermarket chrome exterior exhaust system made by Lake maufacturing in the 50's and 60's. Commonly called "Side Pipes" Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM To: 'RACER BUD'; Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" Lakes pipes Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:06:53 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <6CDAF96FA92440A2953B08CD7449F62E@Bud> that will look really cool....If we can find just 1 old photo of a Triumph racing with a tall smokestack..we can all start running with them Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: "Joe Curry" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Stove pipes .... great ! where can I get em !!! ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" >> >> Lakes pipes >> Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for >> decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM >> To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that >> lakes >> was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they >> were >> like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other >> cool >> custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean >> custom look >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gt6steve at aol.com >> To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >> I thought Lake was a manufacturer? >> >> >> In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> budscars at comcast.net writes: >> lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked >> in >> the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes >> pipe"...... >> How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? >> Racer Bud >> Spitfire #21 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >> >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> >> in the fifties. >> > >> > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on >> the >> > ends, >> > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust >> > system >> > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. >> > >> > Randall >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> - >> Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:08:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Still another opinion was in this link: > > http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/51874 > > > Question: > What are "lake pipes" in the lyric, "And she purrs like a kitten 'till > the > lake pipes roar" in the song Little Deuce Coupe by The Beach Boys? > > Answer: > Lake Pipes are (or were) an aftermarket chrome exterior exhaust system > made by Lake maufacturing in the 50's and 60's. Commonly called "Side > Pipes" > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM > To: 'RACER BUD'; Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" > > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for > decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Mar 28 16:10:44 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. I vote total restoration! ----- Original Message ----- From: steve Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: FOT > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:12:31 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:12:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <1D2FA78DB2B9422F9463898734F094C2@joepentiumnew> Here is what Wikipedia has to say: Lake pipes Also known as side pipes, lake pipes are exhaust pipes, normally brightly chromed, which exit the front wheel arch of a car and then pass down the sill/rocker panel, finally opening sideways in front of the rear wheel. They are sometimes seen on custom cars and hot rods. Cars in series production which are equipped with sidepipes include the Dodge Viper and the Mercedes SLR McLaren, last one having sidepipes which end behind the front wheels. Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:13:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40CF29B684D54096940658F6AB851286@Bud> sounds pretty much like a straight pipe race car... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer > driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? > > Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. > > I vote total restoration! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: FOT > >> Hold onto your socks! >> >> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:14:11 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <5A4B1E0E06A84351A569F6A18AD0CE27@joepentiumnew> This is a family Forum! :) -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:08 PM To: Joe Curry; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:15:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:15:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> <5A4B1E0E06A84351A569F6A18AD0CE27@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: that's not what it is Joe.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > This is a family Forum! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:08 PM > To: Joe Curry; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ > Racer Bud From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat Mar 28 16:17:00 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:17:00 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer > driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? > > Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. > > I vote total restoration! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: FOT > >> Hold onto your socks! >> >> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From niteseeker at aol.com Sat Mar 28 16:20:22 2009 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <8EBFBCAF-2A60-4A1F-9295-B20473347E79@aol.com> If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had the on his race car. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 16:20:27 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090328231943.A285E187673@autox.team.net> From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:25:03 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:25:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: ; "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out ..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "steve" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer >> driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? >> >> Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. >> >> I vote total restoration! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: steve >> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> To: FOT >> >>> Hold onto your socks! >>> >>> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ~Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 16:25:55 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:25:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: And now...something completely different: I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? Is there a reason for this? Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very short compact tails. Any idea? Cheers Chris From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:26:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: this is definetely a fun and Motley Crew! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "TR4Tony" ; ; "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date > taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you > kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S > DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later > on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT > IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TR4Tony" > To: ; "steve" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out >> ..... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "steve" >> Cc: "FOT" >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >>> Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer >>> driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? >>> >>> Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. >>> >>> I vote total restoration! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: steve >>> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm >>> Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >>> To: FOT >>> >>>> Hold onto your socks! >>>> >>>> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~Steve >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:27:39 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:27:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: Sounds pretty close to what I was thinking! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM To: TR4Tony; alfetta95 at optonline.net; steve Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY RB From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:29:32 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:29:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: <562008E221114A6DBD16ED100472D1AB@Bud> that's probably the 'New Improved Johnson Rod RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'TR4Tony'" ; ; "'steve'" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Sounds pretty close to what I was thinking! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM > To: TR4Tony; alfetta95 at optonline.net; steve > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date > taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you > kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S > DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later > on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT > IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY > RB From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 16:33:53 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? Say it's not true! Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:37:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <57D6E400BC3C49A483B38F48C4C6691C@Bud> didn't the Chevy Nomad station wagon come stock with functional Lakes? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Lakes pipes >> Nonfunctional side pipes > > You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? > > Say it's not true! > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sat Mar 28 17:08:17 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:08:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I always thought lake pipes were capped low restriction pipes that bypassed the restrictive mufflers and were uncapped when you went out to a performance event at a dry lake, such as Murroc. Bill On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 "Randall" writes: > > Lakes pipes > > Nonfunctional side pipes > > You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? > > Say it's not true! > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Our detailing supplies really shine. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNlxJ5jyjFIbIDol4diGdQb6SS8k9zHN8RlndPCYOL8hdZemVN0IY/ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 17:12:45 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <3B634E2C1D3D4713966A219FDAF09C49@joepentiumnew> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was the Beach Boys who got it wrong. Jan and Dean just repeated the error. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:34 PM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? Say it's not true! Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 18:19:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:19:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LOOKING FOR VINTAGE TRIUMPH TRADE Message-ID: Hi gang..I would like to trade my 1965 Honda 305 Scrambler..calif. black plate currently registered and insured for a small vintage driver street car(pre-1976 & registered preferrred)..or a small vintage race car..I paid about 3300-3400 for the bike about 2+ years ago..very nice bike..probably needs valve guide because it smokes when first started after it has been sitting for a while..runs and looks very good...let me know if you'd like a photo Weird cars Ok with me! Racer Bud..sonoma, ca. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 19:10:41 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes In-Reply-To: <8EBFBCAF-2A60-4A1F-9295-B20473347E79@aol.com> Message-ID: <267776.29100.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but still loud. The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided restriction where you did not want it. Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result of a designed, tuned exhaust .... Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's .... All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... jm2cw Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: From: dick ross Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: "triumph club club" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had the on his race car. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:26:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes References: <267776.29100.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88CD87E8DE33428CAC1344B9855E25D0@Bud> were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had > lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran > them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, > but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, > pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily > opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or > 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate > type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of > them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the > result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we > mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the > 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many > show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange > had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:37:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! great old days Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >I always thought lake pipes were capped low restriction pipes that > bypassed the restrictive mufflers and were uncapped when you went out to > a performance event at a dry lake, such as Murroc. > Bill > > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 "Randall" > writes: >> > Lakes pipes >> > Nonfunctional side pipes >> >> You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? >> >> Say it's not true! >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Our detailing supplies really shine. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNlxJ5jyjFIbIDol4diGdQb6SS8k9zHN8RlndPCYOL8hdZemVN0IY/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 20:08:06 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <3B634E2C1D3D4713966A219FDAF09C49@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was > the Beach Boys who got it wrong. Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their "Surf City" album in 1964. Randall From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Mar 28 20:09:49 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> My first TR was a TR4A that I restored when I was 15... in 1977. (Funny to think that a 10 year old car needed a total restoration!) Long story short.... I set up that engine nearly full race.... and as a teen... I used to street race any car that I could find willing to give it a shot... Yes, I would smoke 289 Mustangs and leave them in the dust. I pretty much beat just about anything I raced. I recall racing a Corvette.... and we were neck and neck between lights and he never could pull ahead. He yelled through his window, "What the hell have you got under that hood?" I'd smile and said, "stock". (Okay, so it wasn't really stock, but it was the original motor!) They just didn't expect it from a little wire-wheeled TR! My favorite street race was with a Sunbeam Tiger. At first, I couldn't get this old guy to go for it... (LOL, that "old guy" was probably about as old as I am now!) I kept revving my motor and taunting him between lights, but he just wouldn't race. Finally, after about 3 lights... he knodded his okay... and we watched the cross-lights.... green-amber-red-GOOOOO!!!! I dropped the clutch and catapulted off the line. We were neck to neck! I chirped it into second....chirped into third... and before I knew it, bam I was in fourth.... YES... we're talking well over 100.... and I looked over... and he was right next to me... I thought I had him at a tie.... but then... I heard it.... He still had another gear.... So he pulled ahead of me, but we ran out of runway and stopped at the next light. You could see he was exhilarated. And he was also impressed that my little four-banger had matched his V8. He just beat me at the top end.. There's a lot more stories like that, but then I'd have to worry about indictments being handed down. --Justin RACER BUD wrote: > Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San > Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self > done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' > suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a > race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who > knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between > signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift > the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so > fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! > great old days > Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:10:46 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <5FF4B7BB898841D89AB0DAD17235EFFB@Bud> OK RANDALL..now you've done it...I'm switching my vinyl from Mozart to BEACH BOYS. LDC..right now Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. > > Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by > Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. > > But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" > Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their > "Surf City" album in 1964. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:13:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. > > Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by > Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. > > But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" > Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their > "Surf City" album in 1964. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 20:20:18 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> Message-ID: <549F5ADC45124F02AADB621EEAA0A29D@KasPC> Dry LAKE beds (Mojave desert) used for high speed runs and you had a neat plate you could remove and make it a straight through exhaust system. Easy to use and LOUD. When you had the money you went to Bonneville and tried the Salt flats. But up there no one cared how loud it was. (no people for twenty miles) Early 50's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >>> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >>> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. >> >> Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made >> by >> Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. >> >> But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" >> Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their >> "Surf City" album in 1964. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:36:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> <549F5ADC45124F02AADB621EEAA0A29D@KasPC> Message-ID: <31731DDC743542E4B99EF528E33A66EC@Bud> I know there's a Dry Lakes vintage speed group in Ca...I don't recall the name of it? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Dry LAKE beds (Mojave desert) used for high speed runs and you had a neat > plate you could remove and make it a straight through exhaust system. Easy > to use and LOUD. When you had the money you went to Bonneville and tried > the Salt flats. But up there no one cared how loud it was. (no people for > twenty miles) Early 50's. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >>>> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >>>> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. >>> >>> Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made >>> by >>> Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the >>> lyrics. >>> >>> But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with >>> "Jan" >>> Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their >>> "Surf City" album in 1964. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:43:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SCTA Home Page Message-ID: <90BC37010C134A1E92A4D72170E8B0D8@Bud> this is the link. to the vintage speed stuff..SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TIMING ASSOCIATION http://www.scta-bni.org/ Racer Bud P.S. ..there's a vintage Austin Healey Bonneville car being restored to RACE as I speak From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 21:12:28 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes In-Reply-To: <88CD87E8DE33428CAC1344B9855E25D0@Bud> Message-ID: <391604.3420.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> street racing??? Denver ... when I was going to school ... the pic??? I think that one was taken at Grattan some time ago .. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, "triumph club club" , "dick ross" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:26 PM were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 21:15:38 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> isnt it amazing that we all survived our own "kidhood"??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Justin Wagner wrote: From: Justin Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: "RACER BUD" Cc: fot at autox.team.net, tr3driver at ca.rr.com Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:09 PM My first TR was a TR4A that I restored when I was 15... in 1977. (Funny to think that a 10 year old car needed a total restoration!) Long story short.... I set up that engine nearly full race.... and as a teen... I used to street race any car that I could find willing to give it a shot... Yes, I would smoke 289 Mustangs and leave them in the dust. I pretty much beat just about anything I raced. I recall racing a Corvette.... and we were neck and neck between lights and he never could pull ahead. He yelled through his window, "What the hell have you got under that hood?" I'd smile and said, "stock". (Okay, so it wasn't really stock, but it was the original motor!) They just didn't expect it from a little wire-wheeled TR! My favorite street race was with a Sunbeam Tiger. At first, I couldn't get this old guy to go for it... (LOL, that "old guy" was probably about as old as I am now!) I kept revving my motor and taunting him between lights, but he just wouldn't race. Finally, after about 3 lights... he knodded his okay... and we watched the cross-lights.... green-amber-red-GOOOOO!!!! I dropped the clutch and catapulted off the line. We were neck to neck! I chirped it into second....chirped into third... and before I knew it, bam I was in fourth.... YES... we're talking well over 100.... and I looked over... and he was right next to me... I thought I had him at a tie.... but then... I heard it.... He still had another gear.... So he pulled ahead of me, but we ran out of runway and stopped at the next light. You could see he was exhilarated. And he was also impressed that my little four-banger had matched his V8. He just beat me at the top end.. There's a lot more stories like that, but then I'd have to worry about indictments being handed down. --Justin RACER BUD wrote: > Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! > great old days > Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 21:33:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes References: <391604.3420.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1BA8756E8F6C44B09948538E0E1582F0@Bud> Does the name RON CHISHOLM ring a bell? Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: triumph club club ; dick ross ; RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes street racing??? Denver ... when I was going to school ... the pic??? I think that one was taken at Grattan some time ago .. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, "triumph club club" , "dick ross" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:26 PM were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 21:42:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: <20090329044154.5A740187678@autox.team.net> It's rear downforce for them. Those are basically old Nascar cars from the prior spec. They are particular in inspection about how far they can have the rear spoiler stick up in the air as a larger spoiler or larger angle gives them an unfair advantage. If you look at the bodies closely, they've done some interesting things. The front of the car isn't symmetrical so they can get more front downforce. - Tony At 05:25 PM 3/28/2009, MadMarx wrote: >And now...something completely different: > >I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. >I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? >Is there a reason for this? >Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very >short compact tails. > >Any idea? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 23:13:02 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:13:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F080F74DF1347B781112B339F5E1054@joepentiumnew> Speak for yourself, Tom. I am still struggling to get my "kidhood" behind me. Joe C. BTW, were you ever able to use that head I sent to you about 10 or 12 years ago? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom strange Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:16 PM To: RACER BUD; Justin Wagner Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior isnt it amazing that we all survived our own "kidhood"??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:14:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:14:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A different view from Europe: As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track surfaces are too rough and bumpy in USA? Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race the other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will break after a while. In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:19:41 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:19:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've done my cage by myself, but did do the bending by professional. It cost me $50 to get the bended tubes and this was normal price and no discount. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 18:26 An: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tube bending We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:33:09 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:33:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Question: Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? Situation: Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the engine run again? Cheers Chris From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 29 02:40:28 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:40:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: <20090329094137.298B118766D@autox.team.net> Discussion on that topic on these sites. http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6460&start=0 http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131631&page=2 Great result for Jensen and the Brawn team. Also Ruben fighting back from his near stall. Can't believe how impatient Kubica was. He had Vettel easy. No need to do what he did. At 01:33 AM 3/29/2009, MadMarx wrote: >Question: > >Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? >Situation: >Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the >engine run again? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:44:56 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: <49ceee43.8953f10a.4dd9.ffff9c86SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> <49ceee43.8953f10a.4dd9.ffff9c86SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Right, the front is looking like deformed and wheels seems to have different camber. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 05:43 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARCA cars It's rear downforce for them. Those are basically old Nascar cars from the prior spec. They are particular in inspection about how far they can have the rear spoiler stick up in the air as a larger spoiler or larger angle gives them an unfair advantage. If you look at the bodies closely, they've done some interesting things. The front of the car isn't symmetrical so they can get more front downforce. - Tony At 05:25 PM 3/28/2009, MadMarx wrote: >And now...something completely different: > >I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. >I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? >Is there a reason for this? >Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very >short compact tails. > >Any idea? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 29 08:07:51 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CF80B7.1020600@twcny.rr.com> Steve's idea is an absolutely great idea. I mocked up a few designs and if you forget the neighbors eyeballing you as you spin in the front yard with an oil pan spilling water everywhere, you immediately see what is going on. Its amazing, how quickly the pan evacuates in "left turns" with a static baffles I tried so far. I was able to see why an extra quart works in Tony's design. Use a cardboard template covered with packing tape to keep the water out for a little while. Then use duct tape to hold it to the pan - works very well. A mapp gas torch drys the pan quickly between design changes. Thanks to those that sent pics - I'll mock them up today. Thanks again, M Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > My baffling did use trap doors to keep oil around the pickup. Fill > your pan to a couple inches below static level with water and walk > around with it for a bit. Run it low because you'll not have normal > level when running, a lot of it will be up in the engine. > > Rolling the pan around will give you some idea what the oil is doing > on track. > > In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: > > Tony Drews wrote: > > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 > if I > > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the > baffle. I > > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a > while. > > > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > > lower oil level. > > > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It > ended > > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the > pan > > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > > > - Tony > > > > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to > myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of > the hole > in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; > wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left > turn > side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on > a hard > left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to > picture oil moving very quickly. > > So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan > instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or > two > steps to keep it close to the pickup. > > The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a > couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the > "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the > bottom just before the 1/" relief. > > At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the > bottom > 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to > consumption or > away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and > on it > hard? > > Am I overthinking this??? > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 29 08:48:01 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Hmmm, sort of like an old inertia starter for aircraft. It should work as it's calculated at 80bhp, but I imagine it has rather not much torque. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice Question: Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? Situation: Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the engine run again? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 29 09:23:23 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >> All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >> transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >> direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >> Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. > > I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : > > 1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so > TRs > will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW > if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might > only > lose 5 hp in the diff. > > 2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot > Rod > also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting > engine, > trans, diff to full synthetic. > > I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. > The > smaller Ford might not be that much worse. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 29 10:21:15 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:21:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 10:46:20 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:46:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I would use GL5 oil. The diffs are very stressed during racing, GL4 might come to its limits. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:21 An: BOB KRAMER Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 29 10:50:19 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall><6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer><20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <75058451585342E3A9F0860B264A3D5A@joepentiumnew> Doesn't GL-5 have sulfites in it? If so, that could cause damage to the brass parts in the diff. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:46 AM To: 'Tony Drews'; 'BOB KRAMER' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I would use GL5 oil. The diffs are very stressed during racing, GL4 might come to its limits. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:21 An: BOB KRAMER Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 10:52:12 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:52:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >A different view from Europe: > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > surfaces > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > the > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > break after a while. > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 10:55:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:55:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Message-ID: Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 10:59:09 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:59:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the Yoko A048 is more consistent. >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder than we do? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >A different view from Europe: > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > surfaces > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > the > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > break after a while. > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 29 11:07:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:07:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0653FD948943438DADEF5F6E7AC3F6F5@joepentiumnew> I think I saw that car on a Cable TV show recently detailing how it was built. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:56 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 29 11:28:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:28:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: <48AF1E19-B74C-4C8B-B07B-EF1DE6FF3727@bnj.com> I doubt that. there's a lot of variation in tracks as far as surface goes. Sebring is one of the worst. On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: >> From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they >> are a > little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance > the > Yoko A048 is more consistent. >> From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive >> harder > than we do? > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 > An: MadMarx; 'FOT' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I > wonder if we > > run on stickier tires than you guys do? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >> A different view from Europe: >> >> As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track >> surfaces >> are too rough and bumpy in USA? >> Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring >> race >> the >> other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our >> axles will >> break after a while. >> In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in >> good >> condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 29 11:34:05 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:34:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sure would be fun being an apprentice with that guy. You could pick up a lot just by osmosis. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: March 29, 2009 12:56 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 29 11:56:21 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:56:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR Gbox cases Message-ID: Amici, I've heard the latest cases were the strongest and should be used for building an important gearboxes. Where do the CC series boxes fit into this scheme? Suitable? Secondly, dioes anyone know about converting to Stag style thrust bearings instead of thrust washers? **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 29 12:53:06 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: <20090329195222.17F9E187659@autox.team.net> I think part of the cause are the long sweeping high speed corners, especially the carousel at Road America. You are in the corner for many seconds at the limit of traction. Sebring is probably the worst from a smoothness standpoint, the corner between the back straight and the front straight is amazingly bumpy. Grattan is rough on the cars. IRP had some major bumps, although they smoothed out the left / right combination going into the hairpin. Some tracks would be FIA approved, some not, I suspect. - Tony At 11:59 AM 3/29/2009, MadMarx wrote: > >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a >little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the >Yoko A048 is more consistent. > >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder >than we do? > >Chris > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 >An: MadMarx; 'FOT' >Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > >Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we > >run on stickier tires than you guys do? >Racer Bud >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MadMarx" >To: "'FOT'" >Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > > >A different view from Europe: > > > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > > surfaces > > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > > the > > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > > break after a while. > > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Mar 29 17:57:21 2009 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:57:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR Diffs Message-ID: One of the TR Kas books gave a part number for the correct GM locker oil, and I used it for many years until they took the whale oil out of it, and I had my only two Detroit Locker failures in short order. The locker pieces need a cushion if you go all out with slicks; I highly recommend Redline shockproof, and saving your thin oil for other applications. Hardy From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: fot at autox.team.net I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 20:25:56 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <451573775.1301461238379956072.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use Redline heavy shockproof in both the gearbox and diff.B No problems with either for 6 years now (knock on wood). as for sticky tyres...it depends on what series your run and the allowance, the vintage groups probably run the same types of tyres, DOT style hoosiers, avons or yoko's.B These are all a bit less sticky and also narrowerB than the Hoosier and Good Year Bias ply slicks used by the current SCCA racers. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:59:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the Yoko A048 is more consistent. >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder than we do? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Mar 29 20:57:43 2009 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36.76.13585.82530D94@smtp03.embarq.synacor.com> Hi Hardy, I'm a big fan of the redline shockproof oils. They are especially good in dog ring transmissions. I've used them in Hewland transmissions, BMW M/C trannys and rears, and Detroit lockers; all with good results. At 07:57 PM 3/29/2009, Catpusher at aol.com wrote: >One of the TR Kas books gave a part number for the correct GM locker oil, >and I used it for many years until they took the whale oil out of >it, and I had >my only two Detroit Locker failures in short order. The locker pieces need a >cushion if you go all out with slicks; I highly recommend Redline shockproof, >and saving your thin oil for other applications. > >Hardy > >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >To: "BOB KRAMER" >Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle >with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding >is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, >unlike our transmissions. > >- Tony Drews > > >**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or >less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 29 21:22:30 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Looking for 1954 TR2 Message-ID: <49D03AF6.6000905@greenheart.com> Hello all.... I'm looking for a barn-find type long door TR2.... It should be the sort of old beater that's tired enough to bring the price to something less than $5K, but it's vital that it's a sun-belt TR.. low rust. The future of the car would be 1/2 donor for a current long door TR2 project, but a possible vintage racer for the core vehicle. So it would be a win-win. In the short term, it may yield some vital organs (misc. parts) for one car, and in the future, it would be brought back to life itself. So low price, low rust.... They're out there somewhere. I always seem to find them a few weeks after they were sold to someone else! : ) If you know of a vehicle like this, sitting around somewhere, please help me to make contact with the owner. --Justin From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Mar 30 01:29:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage Message-ID: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> In case anyone is interested, I documented the installation of my TR-4 drivetrain (which I performed over the last couple of weekends) here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_Installation.htm - Tony Drews From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 07:11:13 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. Curious, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 30 07:23:02 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs In-Reply-To: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903300623r43986d1dj3ea048c9687d353e@mail.gmail.com> Depending on the source I've heard people complaining about the cast/material on some. http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/12/crap-fest-2.html A. 2009/3/30 : > Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. > > Curious, > Bob T. > '64 Spit GT? autocrosser > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 30 07:41:38 2009 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:41:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs Message-ID: <9240880.1238420498362.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I have some great alloy hubs. They are made from 7071 billit aluminum and hard anodized. Ben using them for years with no problems. Pictures are at www.chequeredflagracing.net thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: robertten1 at aol.com >Sent: Mar 30, 2009 6:11 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs > > Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. > >Curious, >Bob T. >'64 Spit GT? autocrosser > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Mar 30 07:51:29 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:51:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage In-Reply-To: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> References: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001a01c9b13e$a18f94c0$e4aebe40$@com> I notice that you didn't remove the steering rack clamps and tip the steering rack forward to get more clearance for the oil pan. We do this and it really helps. But, we have the finned aluminum oil pan that is deeper than the stock sheet metal one. Anyone with clearance problems at the front on installation should consider this. Simple to do. Only took me about 2 or 3 installations to get smart and do it!! Sometimes you just have to stop and think a little bit. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage In case anyone is interested, I documented the installation of my TR-4 drivetrain (which I performed over the last couple of weekends) here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_Installation.ht m - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 30 10:37:33 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:37:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] TVM Intake Manifolds Needed TR4 Message-ID: List, I have an enquiry from the UK about the availability of TVM intake manifolds. Can anyone give me some information on this? Two sets are needed. Thanks, Joe A > Another question for you.......I am in need of additional Inlet manifolds, > preferably the 'TVM' made ones. Do you by chance have a souce for these > manifolds? I am looking for 2 sets, one set for my new engine and a spare set. From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Mar 30 10:57:15 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:57:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good day at track Message-ID: <20090330175616.ECFF2187666@autox.team.net> Saturday, March 28, was a test and tune day at our local roadcourse in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I took out my 1970 Triumph TR6 racecar project for the first time to run in the engine and sort things out. On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give it a solid 9. Nothing broke or overheated and no big leaks. Need a couple of small adjustments and re-think a couple of choices but all-in-all I was very happy. For family and reasons I have had to take the past two racing seasons off (one reason was having been T-boned by a semi truck in 2006 while driving my 1974 street TR6) but I am looking forward to getting back into the thick of things. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 45401 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02327.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02329.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02334.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02333.JPG] From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 30 11:02:55 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TVM Intake Manifolds Needed TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List, > > I have an enquiry from the UK about the availability of TVM intake manifolds. > Can anyone give me some information on this? Might that be "TWM"?? if so: http://www.twminduction.com/Catalogs/manifolds.html But it looks like they sold the manifolds business to Pierce Manifolds. http://piercemanifolds.com > Two sets are needed. > > Thanks, > > Joe A Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From REK46 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 12:53:07 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:53:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals Message-ID: Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62% 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 30 13:02:55 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: Check ebay items #'s 220377159534 , 400000553224 , 110369761504 , 380110315012 Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get > in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them > but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick > rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 14:36:40 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: <021501c9b177$3b92a2a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, check with Dave at TRF, he may be able to help you out. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D6 2% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 15:34:57 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: <022101c9b17f$5fcc5780$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi again, indeed Dave can help you at TRF 800 678-8764 The number for theTR3 is RFP 45, on sale for around $4.00 The TR4 number is RFP 2, around $9.00. No financial interest other than getting out info to the gang. Thanks, Bill P.S. Snow should be gone tomorrow!---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D6 2% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 20:04:18 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:04:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Quote of the day Message-ID: <000301c9b1a5$010932b0$031b9810$@racer@comcast.net> >From the current issue of MOTORSPORT magazine and the article about the Shadow CanAm cars: "Racing is a disease. If you catch it, it doesn't go away.but beer helps" Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 22:00:41 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Message-ID: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Mar 31 07:13:28 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:13:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113C855@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113C855@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CB80199DF0C53A-D34-6F4@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Mk1 - early Mk4 and GT6 Mk1 - Plus had 6 studs, pre- swing spring.? The whole spring assembly mounted to the diff.? Where as the later swing spring had only the main leaf mounted to the diff with the rest of the leaves pivoting in a housing above the main leaf.? If you look in a repair or parts manual you will see what I am describing. Thank you, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:26 am Subject: RE: [Fot] diff dimentions I don't know that I've ever seen a 6-stud diff on a Spitfire. I thought those were just the GT6 diffs. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 31 12:08:30 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Message-ID: Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 31 13:15:53 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll second. He's bound to be fast with a name like that. Mike Munson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 06:02:00 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 13:27:15 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson References: Message-ID: <72871.48036.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seconded. ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:08:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 13:28:25 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310745.12012.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With a name as great as Munson .... I'll happily second ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Tue, 3/31/09, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:08 PM Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 13:29:08 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Listers, > > A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race > project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. > > BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net > > In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his > vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. This is probably not needed, as the nomination is from the Grand Poobah - but SECOND. Welcome, Barry! > Regards, > > Joe A Regards, rml p.s. any relation to our own Mike Munson? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 15:24:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:24:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the nuts need? Any suggestions? THX Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 16:03:46 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the > nuts need? > Any suggestions? If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. My wheels were bored to 3" and I use spacers that do not have a locating lug - and the lugnuts used to work loose as described above. > THX > > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 16:12:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > >> After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the >> nuts need? >> Any suggestions? > > If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. > > If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you > drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. Clarification - once you re-torque, things seem to be okay 'till you take the wheels off again. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 16:21:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:21:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bolting is the same as with the Revolution wheels. I never had any trouble with the Revos. After the first practice I might found a little retightening but not much turn. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 00:13 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > >> After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the >> nuts need? >> Any suggestions? > > If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. > > If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you > drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. Clarification - once you re-torque, things seem to be okay 'till you take the wheels off again. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 16:23:28 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ken Gillanders where are you Message-ID: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Has anyone heard from Ken at BFE ? I put in a parts order over a week ago with no response and his phone goes to voicemail ever since. I hope he's OK, we spoke around the 20th and he didn't mention going out of town. He was expecting an order and I'm sure he would have mentioned something. Jim G From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 16:42:53 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:42:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ken Gillanders where are you In-Reply-To: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I spoke with him this morning, and placed an order. He is definitely around! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2009, at 3:23 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone heard from Ken at BFE ? I put in a parts order over a > week ago with no response > > and his phone goes to voicemail ever since. I hope he's OK, we spoke > around the 20th and he didn't mention > > going out of town. He was expecting an order and I'm sure he would > have mentioned something. > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Tue Mar 31 17:23:29 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For just a second there I thought someone (else) had considered running a Triumph in the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/ Some friends and I are putting together a team, but, alas, it is not to be TR based. We are, however, considering the construction of a LeMons UnliMited Prototype that might have some TR bits in it for the '10 Lemons racing season. iii 2009/3/31 MadMarx : > After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the > nuts need? > Any suggestions? > > THX > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 31 17:53:37 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen a TR7 listed.. http://jalopnik.com/5125155/24-hours-of-lemons-arse-freeze+a+palooza- ber-gallery-british-steel I probably have enough parts to do a franken-spit (spit with a ford 302), akin to the franken-miata, although I don't think I could make it as "franken"... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:23 PM, robert bownes wrote: For just a second there I thought someone (else) had considered running a Triumph in the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/ Some friends and I are putting together a team, but, alas, it is not to be TR based. We are, however, considering the construction of a LeMons UnliMited Prototype that might have some TR bits in it for the '10 Lemons racing season. iii From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 21:34:04 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch master Message-ID: Hello folks can anyone tell me the bore size on a stock tr-6 clutch master thanks rob From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:41:58 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:41:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 31 21:42:02 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch master In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090401034201.TFGL17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Hello folks can anyone tell me the bore size on a stock tr-6 > clutch master Early .75", later .70" Randall From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 31 21:54:34 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:54:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> What am I, chopped liver?? :) I second both Mac and Rick.? Both are great guys and fine additions to our (un)group. John, do you have their email addresses? Chuck Gee Spitfirte Racer -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:41 pm Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Mar 31 22:58:11 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:58:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> I think this is an April fools Hooliganism. I wasn't asked to extend a second but, hey my oil isn't warmed enough yet..... By the way... last three events.... I did ok ... Same engine. ... I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans #1 piston or rod. They sort broke off the before the front straight. The two large holes in the side of the block visually confirm the tachometer. Should put it on u tube. Is this nomination deal like a ponzy scheme? I nominate one who then begets three others... \ I suppose these guys are ok in my book albeit on the appendix section. m www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:58:49 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312158t2e0385f0tc931b640c9853a6f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Chuck: Chopped liver? No, you're more like chopped steak, about the size of a Porterhouse I think. Mac's address is alecmacarthur at verizon.net Rick's is shearicko at aol.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > > What am I, chopped liver? :) > > I second both Mac and Rick. Both are great guys and fine additions to our > (un)group. > > John, do you have their email addresses? > > Chuck Gee > Spitfirte Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:41 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racingwww.capecoventryracing.com > > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:02:39 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:02:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312202r565461bdm412f05b0d6c3488b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Dr. Dunst: There is an appendix for those members not otherwise deemed fully qualified? And although your reliability has improved (notwithstanding Aaron's ventilated block) the key is that you *might *blow up at any time not that you actually do. It's a little like watching a Farah Fawcett interview, you never know when the train will derail and start an attendant tire fire. And by the way, I thought that for every new member you get a coupon good for 10% off at Moss or the Roadster Factory. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Gasket Works wrote: > I think this is an April fools Hooliganism. > > I wasn't asked to extend a second but, hey my oil isn't warmed enough > yet..... > > By the way... last three events.... I did ok ... Same engine. ... I did > break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans > #1 > piston or rod. They sort broke off the before the front straight. The two > large holes in the side of the block visually confirm the tachometer. > Should put it on u tube. > > Is this nomination deal like a ponzy scheme? I nominate one who then > begets > three others... > \ > I suppose these guys are ok in my book albeit on the appendix section. > > m > > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Nikas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:41 PM > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable > but > > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph > TR4 > > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot > be > > all bad. > > > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not > life) > > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the > Hall > > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should > be > > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a > la > > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a > fine > > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the > 24 > > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while > still > > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > > addition. > > > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > > Smock) second these? > > > > -- > > Very truly yours, > > > > John Nikas > > Cape Coventry Racing > > www.capecoventryracing.com > > (949) 375-6306 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From Group44TR7 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 07:35:06 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:35:06 EST Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event Message-ID: Good Morning Having hope for someone to put together a Group 44 Reunion for years, it is ironically taking place at a date when I am heavily conflicted with other business/sports activities, have left my racing license expire, and least comfortable with the expenses for commercially transporting the cars to and from Atlanta. If anyone knows of a West Coast base racing shop that might have room in their trailers, please let me know. Cary **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 1 08:41:38 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:41:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Cary I sure hope something comes your way. It would certainly be a sight to have all the Group 44 Wedges in one place. I'll buy a poster... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Group44TR7 at aol.com Sent: March 1, 2009 9:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Looking for Transport Options to Mitty Event Good Morning Having hope for someone to put together a Group 44 Reunion for years, it is ironically taking place at a date when I am heavily conflicted with other business/sports activities, have left my racing license expire, and least comfortable with the expenses for commercially transporting the cars to and from Atlanta. If anyone knows of a West Coast base racing shop that might have room in their trailers, please let me know. Cary **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 1 10:52:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:52:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Race / HP Parts Message-ID: spitfire racing stuff on San francisco bay area craigs list Racer Bud http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/1054529677.html From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 1 16:29:59 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion Message-ID: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> Bill had his son (Billy) create a web site for his TR Transmission Conversion. Lot's of pictures and details http://www.eaglegatellc.com From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 00:43:13 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713498.17759.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> B I have a set of four old Carroll Shelby Minilite imitation rims that have the following dimensions on my modified TR-6 autocross car. B 15b diameter by 8.5b wide with 3.7b setback B I purchased these rims from British Frame and Engine many moons ago. B Until the end of last season I was running Hoosier 225/45ZR15 A6 auto-X tires with no rubbing.B This year I have mounted up a set of 275/35ZR15 Hoosier A6 tyres and still have no interference problems. B -Jim Prettyleaf B B --- On Fri, 2/27/09, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 To: "FOT" , "Triumph List" Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:26 PM Has anybody run a set of 15 x 8 wheels on their big TR? If so what offset worked for you? Thanks, Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 02:14:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:14:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion In-Reply-To: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> References: <20090301233137.6A4EE18765F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: How cruel to cut off the bell housing of a TR gearbox. Why not creating a new bell housing? The casting shouldn't cost much. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von David W. Riddle Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mdrz 2009 00:30 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Bill Close's Tranny Conversion Bill had his son (Billy) create a web site for his TR Transmission Conversion. Lot's of pictures and details From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 2 11:14:01 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material Message-ID: Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other interior trim pieces? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth Software Engineer Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 2 11:18:00 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] head porting Message-ID: <022d01c99b63$39925a10$f2c11a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> Bill Boemler machined the large diameter at the face so that he could press in a piece of pipe whose inner dia matched the small side. Results: constant dia port at the face. He was an SCCA national driver and got tore down on occasion. an inspector saw the fix and when he questioned Bill on it, Bill said he was experiencing gasket failures there and the pipe fixed it. The inspector bit and Bill did not get gigged. art de armond From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 2 12:23:17 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:23:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material References: Message-ID: <9C8E6C79481A464DA5B5557541B26C52@Charly> Moss sells them. 644-540 $32.95 GLOVEBOX, LH Note: 1 644-550 $32.95 GLOVEBOX, RH Note: ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other > interior trim pieces? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 2 13:00:20 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Glove Box Door Message-ID: <151611.61098.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ........and speaking of glove boxes. Does anyone have a steel glove box door with hinges, latch, and or thumb pull for a steel dash TR4. I am using a TR4 dash in my current racecar project. Thanks Dennis DeLap From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Mar 3 16:01:17 2009 From: list at mackenzie.aero (RDM) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:01:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> I thought everybody might enjoy this: http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in Austin, TX Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. Robert MacKenzie '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 14:34:42 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:34:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Always the same - the TR 6 always must do a show ;-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von RDM Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mdrz 2009 00:01 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Hillclimb Video I thought everybody might enjoy this: http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in Austin, TX Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. Robert MacKenzie '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 2 14:39:39 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hillclimb Video Message-ID: **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:39:04 EST Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video To: list at mackenzie.aero MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 03/02/2009 3:01:52 PM Central Standard Time, list at mackenzie.aero writes: > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > 1908? Must be TRIUMPH bicycles. Bill (Damdinger) PS...I have one...a TRIUMPH bicycle. ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 14:58:54 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:58:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: You guys make my day with these cool movies...I watch them at 5pm in california, with a nice glass of wine...volume waaay up..and I even find myself letting out loud wooohoos! thanks for sending them! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Mar 2 15:16:56 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:16:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material References: Message-ID: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> I remade one for my street '64 Spitfire out of sheet metal. Aluminum, actually -- I forget what thickness but thick enough it holds its shape well under mild stress. Holds up better, looks nicer. Used the beat-up cardboard for a template. Did the whole thing on my workbench with a ball-peen hammer and a pair of tin snips. Bends are very basic -- a 2 x 4 worked fine as a bending press. Even folded over the front edge to avoid the possibility of a sharp edge. Attached it in the car with pop-rivets. Of course, I just wanted a useable glovebox. Wasn't doing a concours restoration. '64 Spit didn't have a door, it's just an open tray. Painted it the car color. Looked good. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other > interior trim pieces? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > Software Engineer > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Mar 2 15:20:50 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:20:50 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for me ...... great stuff ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 2 15:28:19 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:28:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: That looks very much like the crazy hillclimbs we had back in the 50's. Good stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: "RDM" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 15:44:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:44:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Women in Motor Sports: Message-ID: <89DF867123A04D1CA911CC6FA853F762@Bud> here's a link for the ladies out there in FOT Land...you can add yourselves to the list Racer bud Spitfire #21 http://caradvice.askpatty.com/women_in_motor_sports/2006/05/index.html From ofbracing at nefcom.net Mon Mar 2 16:17:14 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What 240Z? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4Tony Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z for me ...... great stuff ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video >I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Mar 2 16:20:15 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 23:20:15 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> The cream and black one with the puffy wheel arches and the tailslides ..... Or did you get drowned out by the TB like the TR6 driver ...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:46:21 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:46:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: Boy..I REALLY can't wait to watch the hillclimb now! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 17:49:06 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Message-ID: <1550212284.547571236041346141.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for the tr from Top end performance for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial interest, just thought I'd pass along a good deal. Jim G. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 18:09:39 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:09:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03939E79F38D44C3827FCAD3F0B67970@TOSHIBALAPTOP> A truly amazing video. Prior to seeing this, I thought the only hills in Texas were overpasses. :) I also like how the TR7 driver dropped top midway during his run. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:46 PM To: Don Marshall; 'TR4Tony'; 'RDM'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Boy..I REALLY can't wait to watch the hillclimb now! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Mar 2 19:08:50 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:08:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: <49AC9132.5030007@verizon.net> The Brunette or the gal with the camera! The Barracuda reminded me of my first car, a 65 Mustang with home bashed flares and a sheet metal spoiler. Oh, and the RX3! Uncorked Mazdas are why I am half deaf. Cheers, Kurt O. TR4Tony wrote: > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11860 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11870 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Mar 2 19:43:15 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:43:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> References: <95646A776E8D41C288CD85FE01980BB2@PBA.INT> Message-ID: <000001c99ba9$cdefc170$69cf4450$@net> What Tr6 I'm still working on the Brunette Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TR4Tony Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:20 PM To: Don Marshall; 'RDM'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video The cream and black one with the puffy wheel arches and the tailslides ..... Or did you get drowned out by the TB like the TR6 driver ...... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Marshall" To: "'TR4Tony'" ; "'RDM'" ; Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > What 240Z? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of TR4Tony > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:21 PM > To: RDM; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Well gentlemen Im afraid it was between the tall Brunette and the 240Z > for > me ...... great stuff ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RDM" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > >>I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 2 19:49:17 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:49:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: Cool. That TR6 driver and I have the same driving style:) Marty > From: list at mackenzie.aero > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:01:17 -0800 > Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn s!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 From britbits at netzero.com Mon Mar 2 20:37:42 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:37:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz In-Reply-To: <1550212284.547571236041346141.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: If you know the ARP part number, you can order from Summit Racing even if it's not in their normal catalog. So far they've been the cheapest for ARP. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM To: fot Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for the tr from Top end performance for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial interest, just thought I'd pass along a good deal. Jim G. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Anti-Aging Look 10 years younger in 10 minutes. Free anti-aging report. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAn9DJBXJJCXRF35Of0AdcWbknEu9EN2l0ZIUsmFsqT3amRvu21tAU/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 2 21:39:10 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BF37AA0-90EC-4898-9E48-6D013203D2E8@earthlink.net> Call ARP and see what they charge. I got my set directly from ARP for less $$ than any other supplier. I did, however, pay for tax and shipping. ~Steve On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Jim wrote: > If you know the ARP part number, you can order from Summit Racing > even if > it's not in their normal catalog. So far they've been the cheapest > for ARP. > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:49 PM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz > > Just FYI I picked up a set of ARP head studs & 12 point nutsB for > the tr > from Top end performance > > for 108.00 and they are very nice parts. I have no financial > interest, just > thought I'd > > pass along a good deal. > > Jim G. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Anti-Aging > Look 10 years younger in 10 minutes. Free anti-aging report. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Dh4GRsAn9DJBXJJCXRF35Of0AdcWbknEu9EN2l0ZIUsmFsqT3amRvu21tAU/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 00:18:37 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:18:37 EST Subject: [Fot] great deal on head studz Message-ID: Same here. I just call them and tell them what I need, answer a few questions and out comes the order. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 65616 **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 3 02:31:38 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:31:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft Message-ID: Amici Had reason to pull out the drive shaft of my TR6 and had forgotten have heavy the dam thing is . Has any one come up with a light weight but reliable drive shaft . I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Anyone go ideas Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 3 03:58:11 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Gearbox case Message-ID: <49AD0D43.80000@cfl.rr.com> Searching for TR gearbox case. Broken or cracked is fine as long as the bellhousing is good. thxx, Bob From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Mar 3 11:00:08 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:00:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Eco-Bra Message-ID: OK, this is only marginally Triumph-related, but it is kinda funny: http://in.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idINT29336420080514 Cheers, John From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 3 12:44:30 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:44:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a few hundred miles. Randall From bownes at seiri.com Tue Mar 3 13:19:14 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might not be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long time since I was under a Camaro. iii On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: > > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . > > Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and > differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the > frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not > designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. > > But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a > few hundred miles. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 3 13:39:04 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> The first time you need to pull the tranny and that sliding spline is not there, you will wish it was. ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Randall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might > not > be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long > time since I was under a Camaro. > > iii > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: > >> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >> > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . >> >> Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and >> differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention >> the >> frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not >> designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. >> >> But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last >> a >> few hundred miles. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Tue Mar 3 13:44:23 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:44:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <8CB6A57F8296BE4-12D8-A75@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Randall > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a few hundred miles. ==AM== I was thinking the same thing...but then I remembered that most Heralds had a big, heavy, SOLID propeller shaft.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 3 16:27:21 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:27:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Randall wrote: >> I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >> pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . > > Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and > differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention the > frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not > designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. > > But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last a > few hundred miles. No, you're spot on. You want/need u-joints or CV joints at both end of the driveshaft. Aluminum is good if you want to reduce rotatating mass which helps acceleration in 1st gear and diminishing as you move up in speed. > Randall rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 3 16:44:38 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:44:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing DeMotivational" Posters Message-ID: <20090303234530.4BA2F187671@autox.team.net> http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/physics.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/child%20seats.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/fertilize.jpg http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/downloads/specpinata.jpg From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Mar 3 18:04:33 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:04:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> Message-ID: <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 3 20:37:09 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Message-ID: It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: RDM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 19:45:45 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:45:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Float lids for HS6 Message-ID: <000901c99c73$57799e10$6401a8c0@blake1> Does anyone have a useable set of float lids they want to part with? Contact me off list. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 20:01:37 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:01:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c99c75$8bca7de0$6401a8c0@blake1> I did not catch this the first time I watched it, but that was held in what is now my neighborhood. The Dam you see at about the 3/4 mark when the camera goes off the road, is Mansfield Dam. There was a bridge built just below the Dam in the early 90s that connected North Austin to South Austin out near Lake Travis. This spurred the development of the area where this hill climb took place. I wish I could still drive like that through my neighborhood, we have some really cool roads. The one in the video looks like Brass Button. If you look at Google maps, you will see ranch road 620 that goes over Lake Austin. That is the bridge that was not in the video. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:37 PM To: 'Larry Young'; 'RDM' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: RDM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? RDM wrote: > I thought everybody might enjoy this: > > http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv > > This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in > Austin, TX > > Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. > > Robert MacKenzie > '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 18:55:19 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:55:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS sale Message-ID: <20090304015608.86EE9187661@autox.team.net> Pegasus ( www.pegasusautoracing.com ) has the HANS "Sport Series" in both 20 degree and 30 degree (I got a 30 degree one) with "free" sliding tethers for $645 (marked down from $710). FYI. - Tony Drews From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Mar 3 19:37:33 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:37:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Message-ID: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 20:11:54 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:11:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. - Tony Drews At 08:37 PM 3/3/2009, J.C. Hassall wrote: >Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard >composite head gasket? > >TIA > >jim > >-- >J.C. Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Mar 3 20:16:33 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Tony Drews wrote: > 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. > On the workbench? How about under torque? :) Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 3 20:28:39 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:28:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Message-ID: <20090304032925.1988018766E@autox.team.net> It's a used one that has been mashed already. My measurements were between 0.050 and 0.045. I don't think they spring back much after being torqued to 100+... - Tony At 09:16 PM 3/3/2009, Michael Porter wrote: >Tony Drews wrote: >>0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. > >On the workbench? How about under torque? :) > >Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 21:04:56 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: <001901c99c53$f66877f0$e33967d0$@aero> <49ADD3A1.2020105@pobox.com> Message-ID: <56EF1730196B4222838827A32DDFFCD5@DadsComputer> That wasn't me, but I did have a red TR6, with red painted wheels and a roll bar, but I didn't paint it red until around 1988. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Young" To: "RDM" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? > > RDM wrote: >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 3 21:06:15 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:06:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video References: Message-ID: Bucky is still around. One of our local club members used to go to him for repairs on his TR8. He was a guru of sorts but had moved on to fixing more modern cars. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Larry Young'" ; "'RDM'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > It sounded like his name was Bucky Henderson. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Larry Young > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:05 PM > To: RDM > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hillclimb Video > > Was Kramer driving the TR6? Bob where were you in 1980? Were you there? > > RDM wrote: >> I thought everybody might enjoy this: >> >> http://sth2.com/video/1980-hillclimb.wmv >> >> This is video of a hillclimb run in 1908 by Spokes Sports Car Club in >> Austin, TX >> >> Some good Triumph action about 1/2 way in. >> >> Robert MacKenzie >> '62 Mk1 Spitfire - (SCCA GP Solo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Mar 3 21:35:40 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:35:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000101c99c82$acdc73a0$06955ae0$@com> I measured about 0.050 on the ones I removed after taking the head off. It seems I've seen that number before, either from Uncle Jack or in one of Kas's books. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:38 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:24:04 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:24:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Hillclimbing is alive and well here in Pennsylvania, and as the Chairman of?the Pagoda ?and Duryea Hillclimbs in Reading, PA, I want to extend a personal invitation to all FOT members to come and take part in our events.? Pagoda will be?the last weekend in June, and Duryea will be the third weekend in August.? The full PHA schedule is available at www.pahillclimbs.org? We have a fair number of vintage cars at our events and we always have fun. You can find some pretty good in-car video on you tube and elsewhere on the web.? Just do a search?for "Duryea Hillclimb video" Rich Rock From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 4 09:57:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:57:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video Message-ID: In a message dated 03/04/2009 10:29:49 AM Central Standard Time, rikrock at aol.com writes: > Hillclimbing is alive and well here in Pennsylvania, and as the Chairman > of?the Pagoda ?and Duryea Hillclimbs in Reading, PA, I want to extend a > personal invitation to all FOT members to come and take part in our events.? Pagoda > will be?the last weekend in June, and Duryea will be the third weekend in > August.? The full PHA schedule is available at www.pahillclimbs.org? We have a > fair number of vintage cars at our events and we always have fun. > Some of the VSCDA's earliest events involved Wisconsin hillclimbs at Lake Geneva and Janesville in the early 1980s. The ones held at Janesville were actually recreations of events held in the 1950s. In those early days of sports car racing racers from all over would stop at Janesville to run a hill climb event on their way to race at ROAD AMERICA. The Janesville event was a perfect venue and lots of fun to run. Held in a public park, they quickly became popular "free" public spectator events. Eventually VSCDA had to cease running them because crowd control became a serious issue. I can recall several runs to the top, where I was shocked to find people crossing the road I was racing up. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From VANDECARR at aol.com Wed Mar 4 10:55:48 2009 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:55:48 EST Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft Message-ID: An aluminum driveshaft is a good idea but I don't think it's a good idea to have it fixed length. If you have solid engine and diff mounts and no flexing of the frame it would work if your alignment is perfect. Otherwise you are putting lots of stress on the driveshaft and the possible binding will negate any performance increases. They situation might be different if you used CV joints not U joints. I had Inland driveshafts (www.iedls.com/driveshafts .html) make an aluminum driveshaft for my TR6 V8 conversion. They did a great job and the price was reasonable. It's a fixed length driveshaft but the T5 trans uses a splined yoke. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Mar 4 11:06:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:06:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: 1,3mm Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Mdrz 2009 03:38 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? Does anyone have the compressed thickness of the -4's standard composite head gasket? TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Mar 4 13:22:31 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:22:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 standard composite HD thickness? In-Reply-To: <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> References: <0KFY002IUN6V82A7@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <20090304031238.98F87187661@autox.team.net> <49ADF291.7070100@dfn.com> Message-ID: <49AEE307.9040009@pobox.com> A couple of years ago, I spent a whole day trying to measure this under torque (retired engineer with too much time). I first measured the distance of piston to the deck. I then used the old idea of clay on top of the piston to determine piston to head clearance. I discovered that clay is a bit springy and found that plastigage works better. I determined 0.050" is a pretty good number, but I would put a plus or minus 0.002. This was for the standard Payen composite gasket. Larry Young Michael Porter wrote: > Tony Drews wrote: >> 0.045" judging by the one on my workbench. >> > > On the workbench? How about under torque? :) > > Seems to me it would be a bit less with pressure applied. > > > Cheers. From rikrock at aol.com Wed Mar 4 14:12:14 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:12:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimb Video In-Reply-To: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> The correct Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association?website address?is www.pahillclimb.org? Sorry for the mistake. Rich Rock From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 4 14:17:48 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:17:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR Parts for Sale Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CE616@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> The following ad has been running for the last few months in the for-sale section of the Madison Sports Car Club newsletter. Just passing it along for general interest's sake. I have no more information and NFI. Scott B. For Sale: TR 4, TR 4A, TR 6 Parts cars and HI CUBE Chevy van full of cores, spares, extra fenders, hoods, and other body parts to fill a stake truck. There are enough good tubs still bolted on frames plus bolt on fenders to likely build 3 good rollers. Trasmissions and drive trains still in frames. Engines are rusted and must be rebuilt. TR4 and 4A's have replaceable sleeves available thru Roadster Factory and other sources. Interiors, tops, wiring, electrics are also available. Some starters, generator cores may work. No titles or keys came with cars. Titles are available for vintage vehicles and cost about $200,00 each. I have address and info. $3,000 or best offer. There are no guarantees, but this may be a great project for a person or family who would like to pass on automotive skills while having young people under positive family influence. Stored 7 miles off I-39, between La Salle and Bloomington, Illinois. Call Dave Empke at (309) 292-9137. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 16:25:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:25:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 CRANK NEEDED Message-ID: <993B8829EAA64C1092C12EE3B104EF6D@Bud> Hi gang....Tr4 crank needed by Dodge Riedy ..located at Infineon raceway.... please contact Dodge at riedysracing at yahoo.com Thanks Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 4 20:13:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:13:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bruschetta Message-ID: Hi Susan..et al.Was the Bruschetta made in Italy?(I have lost your original FOT email) Thanks Racer Bud From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Mar 4 20:57:44 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:57:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material In-Reply-To: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> References: <524C516A180E44E5AE9E93ADFB05BA2F@rocky> Message-ID: <8CB6B5DAC5825E0-17C8-1A47@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> These are readily available for the '80 1500 Spitfire.? Check on line with the any of the Triumph Parts Suppliers. Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Entriken To: fot at autox.team.net; George Harmuth Sent: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Glove Box material I remade one for my street '64 Spitfire out of sheet metal. Aluminum, actually -- I forget what thickness but thick enough it holds its shape well under mild stress. Holds up better, looks nicer.? ? Used the beat-up cardboard for a template. Did the whole thing on my workbench with a ball-peen hammer and a pair of tin snips. Bends are very basic -- a 2 x 4 worked fine as a bending press. Even folded over the front edge to avoid the possibility of a sharp edge. Attached it in the car with pop-rivets.? ? Of course, I just wanted a useable glovebox. Wasn't doing a concours restoration. '64 Spit didn't have a door, it's just an open tray. Painted it the car color. Looked good.? ? --Rocky Entriken? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" ? To: ? Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:14 PM? Subject: [Fot] Glove Box material? ? > Hello, my wife wants to rebuild the glove box her on a 80 Spitfire. Does? > anyone have a source or spec for the cardboard / fiberboard material? How? > about the material behind the vinyl used to make the door and other? > interior trim pieces?? >? > thanks? > mike? >? > G. Michael Harmuth? > Software Engineer? > Automated Material Handling Equipment Engineering Services? > _______________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? >? > http://www.fot-racing.com? >? > Fot mailing list? > Fot at autox.team.net? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 5 09:17:37 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:17:37 EST Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Blanking Plates Available for TR3 / TR4 Message-ID: FOT List, If you dont want/need a fuel pump blanking plate, delete now. I was making a .250 thick aluminum blanking plate for the AMBRO Engine and decided to make several. If anyone wants one, throw $11 each at my PayPal account and I will send out. Or contact me. Uses stock gasket.....CNC Laser Blanked Thanks. PayPal: N197TR4 at CS.COM Joe A From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Fri Mar 6 03:17:04 2009 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:17:04 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> References: <0c2d01c99c38$78c667a0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <8FCDAACB28D54B9BA41D7DFB6C188452@KasPC> Message-ID: <21A5A0C2FE3F42D58F7F4EC9C24E076D@GEOFFPC> Thanks Kas Wise comment you've changed my mind about doing away with the spline Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "robert bownes" ; "Randall" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > The first time you need to pull the tranny and that sliding spline is not > there, you will wish it was. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert bownes" > To: "Randall" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Drive Shaft > > >> Well, if you did it with just a short sliding spline on one end it might >> not >> be so hard. Some of the amurican cars do that iirc. But it's been a long >> time since I was under a Camaro. >> >> iii >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Randall wrote: >> >>> > I'm thinking of making up a fixed lenth shaft without the sliding >>> > pline. With the diff fixed i see no reason to have the spline . >>> >>> Just my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me that the transmission and >>> differential both move on their mounts enough to matter, not to mention >>> the >>> frame itself flexing. Transmitting all that force to ball bearings not >>> designed for side loading seems like a bad idea to me. >>> >>> But YMMV and all that. Might be OK for a race car that only has to last >>> a >>> few hundred miles. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Mar 1 10:39:58 2009 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing, what else! Message-ID: <001801c99a94$ca54c440$5efe4cc0$@com> Seems to me whenever I have snow out my window I seem to think about racing! Have about 3/4 of an inch and they tell us to expect between 8 inches and a foot by tomorrow afternoon!! Well on to visions of the upcoming season. As anyone who has been on these lists for more than a year should know I am Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of Competition BeaveRun. And as you all know the BeaveRun Races came from the fevered minds of Mike Connolly & myself to see what we could do to make the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix experience possible to more racers and fans. Welcome the BeaveRun Historics! Entering our 6th year! As both a racer and an event organizer, I cut my teeth on the Schenley Park event, I think I know what you want and try to blend that to what my sponsors want. End result is the best damned road race around! Last year we played around a little with a true Trans Am (well the mid-version over and under 2.5 liters) It went over big with both drivers and spectators! This year I really want to push it! And I mean as it really was. Any VW beetles still out there? How about a NSU or Gordini? Any Alfa GTA/V's? Javelin, Corvair (V8) Or normal ones, Firebirds, Nova. Cougar, Rambler Rebel, plus the normal Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc. Hopefully by the end of the day I will have a new revised schedule up and a pretty comprehensive list of eligible cars for the Beaver Trans Am. If you do not see your car on the list but think it belongs just ask me. I expect this group to fill and given the track and the interesting mix this will be I am limiting this group to the first 25 cars entered in it. For those that have never raced big against small you do not know what you're missing. One of the finest races I have ever had in my life was against a Ford Pinto in my big Jag. What a race and what great memories. For those who think big and little cannot mix let me tell you they can! Some of the best racing SCCA ever had was in the trans am series. Look at Lemans, a bloody crosley hotshot against a Mercedes?! Most of you have also done it in any all comers race. So I want to see you out there. In this year of economic uncertainly ( is that an understatement or what) picking and choosing races is going to be important. Talk to anyone who has come to a PVGPA event and they will tell you you cannot get more bang for the buck! To see how much bang for the buck go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click on the vintage race button and then follow onto the beaver link. I should have updated schedule up very soon (just shows more track time than what is there now) Entry forms and costs are the same. Enjoy Ralph From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Mar 7 18:10:14 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Right hand drive vintage Spit project for sale Message-ID: <49B31AF6.3050503@bright.net> Greetings list. We are selling a car for customer who's father passed away. Father started the project in late 1990's and did not get it finished. A description is included with this email. Nice straight car - no flares and steel body. Good start for vintage or auto-x. Pictures available. Thanks, Ted Triumph Spitfire MkIII race car (1968/early 1969) Built from 2 cars in late 1990's Right hand drive Welded 4.1 differential 1971/72 Spitfire Mk IV 1300engine w/twin HS2 SU's Engine free and turning over -- condition unknown -- spin on filter w/oil cooler take-off Tubular pushrods -- brand unknown 4 speed -- no OD Fuel cell -- no steel case- brand unknown GT6 front brake conversion 7/8" front sway bar from Spit Mk IV 1500 Overall body is good - appears to have new rockers & possibly rear ?'s Frame is good 1.750" roll bar (probably .095" wall) with diagonal brace, 2 rear braces, 1 forward brace from center of main hoop to floor plus 2 forward braces from main hoop to bottom of A pillars Doors are gutted with no interior sheet metal -- just the outside door skin Body in primer Many boxes of small parts -- new and used including brake pads, engine bearings, etc. Stock later Spit wheels -- oval holes Available with or without engine. -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. 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Paul >From the Great White North (Canada) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: March 9, 2009 1:55 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway. Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dotts46 at q.com Mon Mar 9 12:55:09 2009 From: dotts46 at q.com (DAN OTTS) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:55:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Really great shots, especially the interpretive shots. You have an eye for the macro. Thanks for sharing them. Dan Otts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 9 16:11:51 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome. Wish the warm weather would hurry up and hit the north coast:). Who drives the #144 TR3? I have a question for you. Marty From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event Friends, Here is a link to a web-site with excellent photos from the "Route 66 Classic" last weekend at auto club speedway.Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! 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Apologies in advance to those who live in the frozen tundra. http://ruggels.com/Site/Photos_Auto/Pages/VARA.html ~Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at race-dogs.com Mon Mar 9 18:18:10 2009 From: john at race-dogs.com (John W) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures from VARA event References: Message-ID: <003001c9a115$b19ad7f0$800101df@jawsxp> Great shots!! Makes me want to bring out the Silver Bullet- Oh wait Gary Shuman is trying to take over now!! Great racing in Group 3 for sure- JW John W. 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Regards, Joe Curry From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Mar 10 19:17:00 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] hauling Message-ID: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> I need to get a TR3 frame hauled from Mesa,AZ to the Orlando, FL area. Anyone coming this way or know of someone? From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 10 19:22:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:22:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] WAKE UP GANG Message-ID: Hi Gang..it's Racer Bud out here in Sonoma, Ca...the list has been quiet..What's new?....Races..New Triumphs acquired...for sale..wanted.... The First CSRG race is April 3-5 at Infineon(Sonoma, Ca.)..I...as per the last several years will be grabbing as much pit space as i can(Usually enough room for at least10+ racecars & 'stuff ..for My Racing Friends...Triumph et al)(THE OLD GUYS STILL DUMB ENOUGH TO RACE CHALLENGE..Gang)...behind the Big Grandstand... WE WILL SQUEEZE YOU IN...regardless......and...If you are not racing....That's Great too......Please.... come by and help us work on our cars..Triumph..MG... Healey....Formula Jr....Formula 5000....Brabham....Le Grand....Specials etc., etc Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 10 20:01:07 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WAKE UP GANG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090311030014.2A98118765A@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue Mar 10 20:48:22 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] hauling In-Reply-To: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> References: <49B7110C.9000909@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <49B72676.7080602@bright.net> Just piggybacking off Bob's request. I am headed to Sebring this Sunday with an empty trailer. If any needs something from here taken down south, please contact me. Thanks Ted Bob wrote: > I need to get a TR3 frame hauled from Mesa,AZ to the Orlando, FL area. > Anyone coming this way or know of someone? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: 03/10/09 19:51:00 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholls) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new e-mail address In-Reply-To: <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> Message-ID: <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> You (all FOTers) can edit your own settings by going to the link at the bottom of FOT emails. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Wed Mar 11 12:14:40 2009 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] delete Message-ID: <001001c9a275$3ef35ea0$22d26c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> Please delete my name from your e-mail list. thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 12 06:24:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:24:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: Hi everybody, question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? Cheers Chris From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 12 06:48:56 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: Alexander Racing Enterprises has wheels, way to go Joe! Seriously, I think most of us are running Panasports or Superlite 8 spoke wheel that almost look like Minilite's. Bob Kramer Texas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Hi everybody, question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Mar 12 08:03:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:03:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/2009 6:33:43 AM Central Standard Time, tr4racing at googlemail.com writes: > Hi everybody, > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > ARE? Or is it ARW? Isn't ARE...Alexander Racing Enterprises? Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 12 08:25:24 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A39CACDB34A4E30941EE99E2453B6B3@richardiipc> ..it depends on your definition of are.. Isn't ARE...Alexander Racing Enterprises? Bill Dentinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 08:28:29 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans In-Reply-To: References: <8CB6AFCC50DD59D-16D4-15C@MBLK-M14.sysops.aol.com> <8CB6B25069259D4-1348-1428@WEBMAIL-DZ22.sysops.aol.com> <002001c9a23d$2e80fd80$8b82f880$@net> <005301c9a24b$97c31040$c74930c0$@com> Message-ID: <65A18B61-F197-41A2-9EE4-BD98D3A7E62C@earthlink.net> Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but still popular for their "vintage look". Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi everybody, > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > Cheers > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 12 08:29:19 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:29:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans...now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts Message-ID: FOT 'help' I need some trivia intelligence....was there a so-called Le Mans Style Valve Cover Fastner? I produced a Knurled Knob which allows quick removal of valve cover and features an "O" Ring Face Seal for positive oil sealing. They are on eBay. I got a note from a MOG owner that asked me if they were meant to be the "Le Mans Style". If it is, I did it by accident. Does any FOT Historian know of such a thing. Thanks.....Joe A > Alexander Racing Enterprises has wheels, way to go Joe! > > Seriously, I think most of us are running Panasports or Superlite 8 spoke > wheel that almost look like Minilite's. > > Bob Kramer > Texas > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 12 08:35:06 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:35:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: Like Book Titles, they cant be copyrighted. But you all knew that. I could write "Gone With The Wind" and publish it. (if I had talent) The list must be waking up out of hibernation..... :-) > > >> <<< ARE = American Racing Equipment >>> >> >> WOW! If that's so, Joe Alexander should get after these upstarts for >> copyright infringement of his protected acronym. There's probably enough of us >> now that we could successfully support him. >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 10:03:41 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:03:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans...now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB71433F6BCE8E-1208-58B@FWM-D31.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:29 am Subject: [Fot] now Le Mans style Valve Cover Nuts FOT 'help' I need some trivia intelligence....was there a so-called Le Mans Style Valve Cover Fastner? ?I produced a Knurled Knob which allows quick removal of valve cover and features an "O" Ring Face Seal for positive oil sealing. They are on eBay. ==AM== Joe, for whatever it's worth, MG T-series engines had knurled, bakelite knobs to hold down the valve cover. See a picture: --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 12 17:10:20 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F? Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer writes: > Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but > > still popular for their "vintage look". > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi everybody, > > > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Succeed in Your Weight Loss Goals. Easiest Protein Diet. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMfAoaHvB2rAlAVlM6obOMxiA5pyF0MD5BsZbgKIybURZ7XU6kshS/ From cwn74 at aol.com Thu Mar 12 18:45:59 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F In-Reply-To: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090312.171020.3428.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c9a375$1435c8a0$3ca159e0$@com> Googling scca spec racer ford returned these 2 probable sources of that information http://www.flatoutracing.net/race_cars/ford.asp http://www.eliteautosport.com/rental/spec_racer.asp Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Mar 12 19:59:48 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels Message-ID: <666609.90312.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: The ARE wheels are made by American Racing Equipment (sorry Joe, no copyright infringement) and are of the four spoke style. I was lucky enough last year to acquire 9 of them in the 4 x 100mm bolt pattern, 6.0" wide. I sold off 4 of them figuring that I would never need more than 5. I've had them sitting in the shop for the last year wondering how they compared in weight to the 5.5" wide Cosmic's I had on my son's BMW 2002. This past week I had the old tires removed from the Cosmic's and was able to compare the weight of the wheels bare.?WOW... the Cosmic's feel to be significantly lighter in?weight. I figure they must have cast them out of feathers. The racing tires will be mounted on the Cosmic's and the street tires on the ARE's. 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Some of the quality is not as good as it should be since I mounted the camera to the plastic windscreen, and it's bouncing all over the place. I also use a RacePak G2X datalogger, and overlay the data on the video. My car broke at the last event, so I lent the camera to Steve Belfer, and we used a different mount, and his video came out great, although we ran out of space on the camera, and we missed his last effort at passing Paul Konkle (yellow mg). Check out the video at http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html I figure people who are still snowed in will be stoked to see some west coast racing. -Mark From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 12 21:31:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Videos References: <285b8a860903122007q24ad4086kd8842a485a712b4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <249A1A4E602543B2B604ADE85A4C9ECD@Bud> Terrific stuff..Thanks! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Vaden" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Videos > Hi, > > My friend Randy Zoller (Heritage Motorsports) was nice enough to give > me a little cyberspace on his web page to post videos and pictures. I > posted some video taken with my ChaseCam. Some of the quality is not > as good as it should be since I mounted the camera to the plastic > windscreen, and it's bouncing all over the place. I also use a RacePak > G2X datalogger, and overlay the data on the video. My car broke at the > last event, so I lent the camera to Steve Belfer, and we used a > different mount, and his video came out great, although we ran out of > space on the camera, and we missed his last effort at passing Paul > Konkle (yellow mg). Check out the video at > http://www.britishheritagemotorsports.com/tri_hard_racing_files/racing_videos.html > > I figure people who are still snowed in will be stoked to see some > west coast racing. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 22:03:22 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges Message-ID: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> Hi Gang, I've got a set of curved glass gauges [amps, fuel, oil, water] that I thought were TR3. Closer inspection shows that they are "AC England". Fuel reads to 10gal/45litres, oil reads to 100lbs/7kgs, water 90-230F, amps -30 - +30. The curved glass Jaeger speedo and tach that were in the same box sure look to be TR. Any ideas what they might be from? Anybody need them? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:04:10 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:04:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SJ 1296 short blocks, stock rods, lightened rods References: Message-ID: > I have 2 1296 stock small journal blocks, sj cranks, about 20 stock > sj 1296 > rods and about 16 lightened/prepped sj 1296 rods in various > conditions, > and a few small journal timing covers to boot. > > I don't think I'll ever do up a 1296 sj engine, and I need the space > my GT6 stuff. > > If your interested, pics of the prepped rods are in my gallery, and > ill add others later. Contact me off list with any questions. I would > prefer to get rid of it as a single entire lot. > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > reading, pa > HP Spitfire 1500 #37/57 > Http://gallery.mac.com/Srcypher From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 12 22:33:48 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:33:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges In-Reply-To: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> References: <7E0C6CB1-71BA-4B3E-8DEE-92F0916B56AA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My old TR4 came with curved glass gauges... It was #4852 Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:22 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] Guessing at gauges > > Hi Gang, > I've got a set of curved glass gauges [amps, fuel, oil, water] that I > thought were TR3. Closer inspection shows that they are "AC England". > Fuel reads to 10gal/45litres, oil reads to 100lbs/7kgs, water > 90-230F, amps -30 - +30. The curved glass Jaeger speedo and tach that > were in the same box sure look to be TR. Any ideas what they might be > from? Anybody need them? > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 11:51:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:51:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would take the locker over the quaife even if the price were identical as long as you don't plan to run on the street. I would take a LSD over the locker, but you can expect a higher price. The quaife doesn't do that much for a race car. > Hi Everyone, > > I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Mar 13 12:02:56 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker if its in good shape. That's what I used and liked enough to get a second one. On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 12:07:55 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? ~Steve On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker > if its in good shape. That's what I used and > liked enough to get a second one. > > On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I >> was >> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more >> expensive. I >> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 12:19:38 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:19:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the season. I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle breaks. > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > >> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >> >> ~Steve >> From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 12:44:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:44:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com><23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net><309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> Message-ID: <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> I had the 'Ride Of My Life' a few years ago at Infineon when a stock axle broke in the esses...when that happens...You may still be a Racer...but you sure as heck..'Ain't Doin' the Drivin'..It's all about Whoa..what is going on here?... GET COMPETITION AXLES!...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and > that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If > your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the > season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > > >> >> On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> >>> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >>> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >>> >>> ~Steve >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 13 12:45:39 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:45:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Message-ID: weld it ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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URL: From markvaden at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 12:58:02 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone tried these? http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 Would the southwick still be better? -Mark On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick > conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > > ~Steve > > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > >> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker >> if its in good shape. ?That's what I used and >> liked enough to get a second one. >> >> On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was >>> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I >>> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >>> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >>> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 13 13:07:06 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:07:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Message-ID: In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, > and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much > fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not > the season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > I can't explain it, but there was some sort of FORD rear axle conversion that a guy in Florida came up with (Abacus?). I know that John Harkness bought one for his TR3A after rolling it over at GingerMan on time. John told me that it was big, heavy, and convoluting, but worked, and he didn't want to roll over again. But I agree that the Southwick conversion is the way to go (if he is still doing them). Seems to me I remember Uncle Jack saying Southwick was closing his shop and going to retire, but would do 'odds and ends' in his garage. He did good work, and seem to like doing stuff for Jack. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. 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URL: From emanteno at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 13:12:58 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <354a1780903131212j22180a04mabf0b4a86f83e445@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Has anyone tried these? > > http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 > > Would the southwick still be better? A number of years ago, FOT Chip Bond came up with the original drawings for the factory rear axles, and had them reproduced with modern metallurgy. A lot of us, including Uncle Jack, used them in conjunction with new rear hubs that were the effort of FOT Jeff Snook, who essentially did the same thing with the rear hubs that Chip had done with the axles. It was one of those axles that failed on Uncle Jack's Old Blue with Tony at the wheel, sending him on a 100 mph triple roll over wild ride that destroyed Old Blue but fortunately spared Tony. It was after that wreck that the Southwick Conversion came to be. My personal opinion is that the Southwick is better. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Mar 13 13:20:48 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:20:31 PM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, >> and that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much >> fun. If your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not >> the season. >> >> I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle >> breaks. >> > > I can't explain it, but there was some sort of FORD rear axle conversion that > a guy in Florida came up with (Abacus?). I know that John Harkness bought > one for his TR3A after rolling it over at GingerMan on time. John told me that > it was big, heavy, and convoluting, but worked, and he didn't want to roll > over again. Harrness' car had a Ford 9" installed (it still does, as far as I know... but the car hasn't run in a while) But it's a Ford 9", narrowed, with full-floater axles. If the axle breaks, the wheels stay on the car. Nice set up, if a bit of overkill. A tad heavy too. I agree with the sentiments about the Southwick - you get the vintage spirit and a measure of safety. The Ford 9" is not exactly all in the vintage spirit. But balling a TR4 is unkool, especially if you are in it! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 13:34:15 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com><23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net><309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <378080D3-1A11-4A50-A896-7DDF69288DDD@bnj.com> <68A1A39924634A2F900D60C7DDE5D9CE@Bud> Message-ID: <002801c9a412$b1eb3c40$15c1b4c0$@net> ...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Boy is that an understatement It was like driving on a sandy road Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:44 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker I had the 'Ride Of My Life' a few years ago at Infineon when a stock axle broke in the esses...when that happens...You may still be a Racer...but you sure as heck..'Ain't Doin' the Drivin'..It's all about Whoa..what is going on here?... GET COMPETITION AXLES!...remember..in the old days the tires didn't stick like they do now.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > You just eliminated the option I'd take. You can get stronger axles, and > that might suffice, but rolling a race car just isn't that much fun. If > your axle breaks you really only want the race to be over, not the > season. > > I don't know of any other option that retains the wheel if the axle > breaks. > > >> >> On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: >> >>> What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >>> Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? >>> >>> ~Steve >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 13:34:52 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:34:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> If only pushing around the paddock was all of it. Welding the rear end certainly makes a Southwick axle almost mandatory--lots of added stress in the axles. Also makes it hard to be fast, since you have to drive around the negative handling characteristics. I know, I know, you guys with welded diffs are going to say they are just wonderful for handling, that's why all the modern race cars use them ;) . Personally, I like to be able to get off the gas when I want to, not when the car will permit it. A locker is a close second on stress in the axles--might even surpass it when it first locks, properly set up LSD is third, quaife fourth, and open diff is easiest on the axles. As far as uprated axles go, they, plus uprated hubs, will make the axles last longer. But when they break, you still go for a ride. If your car is light enough, and you drive precisely enough, and your rear end gentle enough, and your tires slippery enough, then you might never need a southwick, but you still should crack check everything at least every other year. From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 13 13:44:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:44:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: on reflection, honestly I'd say if you don't have a way to retain your axles you should consider sticking with an open diff. You can drive around an open diffs limitations just as you can a welded axle's, particularly if you retain your parking brake, but even without the time honored "hand LSD" you can open your steering when the rear end starts to lose grip and get the tire back on the ground. Some folks really master this. I was pretty fair at it when I used a Quaife. In my experience a Quaife doesn't buy you much in racing. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 15:23:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Message-ID: Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britbits at netzero.com Fri Mar 13 14:53:24 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:53:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? Wheel tuck under and launch? I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser where at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. Cheers, Jim Dallas ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud ____________________________________________________________ Click to find high quality stock photos and images. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ From kaskas at cox.net Fri Mar 13 16:18:28 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BEDE2043F7B48208D35039852C38536@KasPC> Just for what is worth, we found a forklift U-joint that fit and was much much stronger. You'll need to look as it was too long ago to remember. ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded together..and they are larger diameter BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel goes Bye Bye... Racer Bud ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 13 18:41:17 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:41:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings Message-ID: <002901c9a43d$96554220$6401a8c0@blake1> FYI Pinion head bearings are difficult to find for the TR3/TR4 rear axle. My local bearing supplier was out so he called me back after talking directly to Timken. Timken no longer stocks the bearing so they quoted him $350 + 14 weeks for the cone bearing, the race was available. Moss was out of stock and were showing a mid May ETA, typical optimistic schedule. TRF had three remaining in their stock, now only 2. I almost hate to bring it up, but after spending today tracking down a bearing made of unobtainium, I started thinking about that Ford 9" my friend offered to give me the other day. Has anyone gone this route in a TR vintage race car. I know, shame on me, just curious. Greg From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 13 17:42:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:42:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings References: <002901c9a43d$96554220$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: I would talk to a machinist..mine is really good at finding stuff that fits.....350.00 for a cone bearing is a little tough on the blood pressure! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: TR3 axle bearings > > FYI > > Pinion head bearings are difficult to find for the TR3/TR4 rear axle. > My local bearing supplier was out so he called me back after talking > directly to Timken. Timken no longer stocks the bearing so they quoted > him $350 + 14 weeks for the cone bearing, the race was available. Moss > was out of stock and were showing a mid May ETA, typical optimistic > schedule. TRF had three remaining in their stock, now only 2. > > I almost hate to bring it up, but after spending today tracking down a > bearing made of unobtainium, I started thinking about that Ford 9" my > friend offered to give me the other day. Has anyone gone this route in > a TR vintage race car. I know, shame on me, just curious. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 18:53:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:53:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20090314015254.83D7D187655@autox.team.net> The car I rolled (3 times) had upgraded axles and upgraded hubs, but still of the stock design. All of the stress risers were eliminated, very good steel was used, and I could barely walk for a week and we could use most of the driveline components on the next car, but only one fender was re-used. Southwick conversion is like $800 bucks. The other option is to replace the rear axle with a cut down Ford 8" rear axle and find a u joint that will mate that to the drive shaft. That's essentially what I've got in my car now, that was done before the Southwick conversion was developed. Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony At 01:07 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote: >What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the >Southwick conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > >~Steve > > > >On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > >>Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker >>if its in good shape. That's what I used and >>liked enough to get a second one. >> >>On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: >>>Hi Everyone, >>> >>>I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I >>>was >>>previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more >>>expensive. I >>>have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money >>>for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade >>>my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Mark >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 19:02:38 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:02:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <285b8a860903131016l29448f2ft132c94e12a621b5c@mail.gmail.com> <23e66570e27b9e41e2e8c418e273707e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> <309C2EE8-43C0-4D96-9486-E7A4EBA97474@earthlink.net> <285b8a860903131158w7f20527bi795e64ddb4425ab1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090314020143.67E54187655@autox.team.net> There is no picture on their website so I can only make an educated guess. Looks like the axle costs 200 pounds, and the hub costs 150 pounds without VAT. The fact that the hub is a separate part strongly suggests to me that this is an inferior solution to the Southwick conversion where the hub and axle are the same part. The axles used in this conversion are also used by local dirt track stock car guys. If the axle breaks (and it can handle V-8 power and bouncing off of the concrete wall), the wheel stays on the car. I don't know what the exchange rate is, but for 700 pounds for the set plus shipping, I'd think that the Southwick conversion at $800 to $850 would be the better value. And with that one I KNOW the wheels won't come off. In my case, the axle broke and the hub with the wheel still attached left the car. That's the crux of the problem with the stock type of axle even using excellent steel. I was just at Bob Southwick's place this evening, he is certainly still in business! - Tony At 01:58 PM 3/13/2009, Mark Vaden wrote: >Has anyone tried these? >http://www.revingtontr.com/shop/product_display.asp?mscssid=W2SC13BTLUWS9P365VM4G4M2L4K12GFE&CarType=TR4A&ProductID=RTR1347 > >Would the southwick still be better? > >-Mark > >On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steven Belfer > wrote: > > What do you guys recommend for upgraded rear axles other than the Southwick > > conversion for the solid axle TR3/4? > > > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:02 AM, rjl6n at cstone.net wrote: > > > >> Personally, I would prefer the Detroit locker > >> if its in good shape. That's what I used and > >> liked enough to get a second one. > >> > >> On Fri, March 13, 2009 1:16 pm, Mark Vaden wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Everyone, > >>> > >>> I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was > >>> previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I > >>> have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money > >>> for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade > >>> my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Mark > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 13 19:05:23 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:05:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090314020428.7DCEB187655@autox.team.net> The car I rolled had a quaiffe, so having a gentle diff doesn't guarantee that stock design axles won't break. - Tony At 02:44 PM 3/13/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >on reflection, honestly I'd say if you don't have a way to retain your >axles you should consider sticking with an open diff. You can drive >around an open diffs limitations just as you can a welded axle's, >particularly if you retain your parking brake, but even without the >time honored "hand LSD" you can open your steering when the rear end >starts to lose grip and get the tire back on the ground. Some folks >really master this. I was pretty fair at it when I used a Quaife. In >my experience a Quaife doesn't buy you much in racing. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 19:07:33 2009 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:07:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles Message-ID: <11585939.1236992853560.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, the ability to apply power and actually steer and even tighten a turn under power is amazing.? I have never blamed the locker for getting me into a "sticky wicket", but it sure has saved me more than a time or two with its ability to apply "full load" when needed.? That said, 50 year old axles are not exactly the safest thing to be using these days.? The locker will indeed put extra loads on your axles.? I would think twice if I had to run stock axles with decent tires.? I am soo glad my car is an IRS car and I have utilized Chevy stuff back there.? Thanks for the locker Kas... ????????? No longer limited in the "slip" department... ?????????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Mark Vaden To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:16 am Subject: [Fot] detroit locker Hi Everyone, I have been offered a detroit locker for a TR4 at a great price. I was previously considering a quaife unit, but it is much more expensive. I have been running an open diff until now. Is it worth the extra money for the quaife? I am running a solid axle TR4, and I plan to upgrade my halfshafts at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 13 22:05:33 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:05:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Wheel torque In-Reply-To: <7B59CA9A9375457DA4EDA5CE75B1555F@David> References: <7B59CA9A9375457DA4EDA5CE75B1555F@David> Message-ID: If you are using the stock wheel studs, no more than 60 ft. lbs. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kettler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [Fot] Wheel torque FOT: This recent thread on ARE wheels prompted a question. I have a new set of Panasports to be fitted to a street TR4A and I'm wondering what value to torque the lug nuts to? Appreciate any input. Dave Kettler _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 06:57:14 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:57:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: <32720280.31852.1237035434946.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Mar 14 07:08:52 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:08:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A > Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the > Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow > carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body quickly. > The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and > did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 > hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all > the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going > in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I > have seen. > > A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion > axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR > hubs.... > > Dean T. > > > Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: > > >> >> Or, you could just drive slow. :) >> >> - Tony >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. ?One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 09:10:21 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:10:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> OK so why can't you use the MG design? To pricey or hard to install? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:00 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. "Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history?" The earlier MG cars, including A & early B, used a nice fully-floating axle design. The later B uses a (very robust) semi-floating axle. Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 12:55:56 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:55:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dont your cars have an engine? Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: weld it Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car around the paddock. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye lp00000005) From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Mar 14 13:03:17 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:03:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thats funny!! ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] detroit locker To: BillDentin at aol.com, REK46 at aol.com, budscars at comcast.net, Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Dont your cars have an engine? > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 > An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker > > In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, > REK46 at aol.com writes: > > > > > weld it > > Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car > around the > paddock. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye > lp00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 13:08:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:08:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker In-Reply-To: <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> References: <9AFD126F-67BD-489F-AD83-D4F1EA6875AE@bnj.com> <3FCB673E-D1A7-481A-9910-45D298BFBD49@bnj.com> Message-ID: I even don't feel the welded diff. It handles as a normal car at speed. Only in paddock use you're hopping around sharp corners. I have no measurable understeer, instead there is neutral and oversteer behavior present. A locker would be fine, but my welded diff is doing quite well. BTW...my stock axles have done 175000 mls 'till now. >From my experience here in Europe . . broken axles seems to happen always to the same drivers...don't know why. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bill Babcock Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:35 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] detroit locker If only pushing around the paddock was all of it. Welding the rear end certainly makes a Southwick axle almost mandatory--lots of added stress in the axles. Also makes it hard to be fast, since you have to drive around the negative handling characteristics. I know, I know, you guys with welded diffs are going to say they are just wonderful for handling, that's why all the modern race cars use them ;) . Personally, I like to be able to get off the gas when I want to, not when the car will permit it. A locker is a close second on stress in the axles--might even surpass it when it first locks, properly set up LSD is third, quaife fourth, and open diff is easiest on the axles. As far as uprated axles go, they, plus uprated hubs, will make the axles last longer. But when they break, you still go for a ride. If your car is light enough, and you drive precisely enough, and your rear end gentle enough, and your tires slippery enough, then you might never need a southwick, but you still should crack check everything at least every other year. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 14 13:17:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:17:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> Message-ID: Seen several MG's with broken axles. Seems the same problem there. To say this....Triumphs aren't the only cars which leaving wheels on the track lanes. There are BMW, Porsches, VW Golf's and hundreds of other cars which can't stand racing stress on the axles. They replace axles after some hours of racing - that's it. I could imagine that axles don't last forever - like spark plugs. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Craig Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Mdrz 2009 16:10 An: fubog1 at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. OK so why can't you use the MG design? To pricey or hard to install? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fubog1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:00 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. "Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history?" The earlier MG cars, including A & early B, used a nice fully-floating axle design. The later B uses a (very robust) semi-floating axle. Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 9:08 am Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. List, I have mentioned this before but I took a TR3/4 Hub into our Axle Engineering folks at John Deere for a thorough examination. One of the outcomes was that "it is designed to break".....this might have been a bit facetious, but the fact is that it works well to have the hub break before the axle. The stress risers are located in the hub in such a way that breaks in a conical shape and traps the hub and wheel on the car. If you look, the cutting tool comes to sharp corners with no attempt at a radius. In search of the weakest link, the axle is next. My vote remains with Southwick. Just curious, but has anyone looked at MGB axles? What is their history? Joe A Driving slow is not the answer either. I broke the left rear axle on the Warwick in turn 6 at Roebling Road. I was lucky in that turn 6 is a slow carasoul and when the axle broke the wheel exited out the fiberglass body20quickly. The brake backing plate just bulldozed the Georgia sand out of the way and did not dig in enough to cause it to roll over. The Warwick uses the same TR3 hub and tapered axle even though it is a De Dion axle. The same as the TR3 all the way to the same key way with stake point to prevent the key from going in too far. This is right where it broke. The same place as any TR3 & TR4 I have seen. A year later and the Warwick is back together but with a redisigned De Dion axle with hubs from a 280ZX. Sorry but I am not racing with any more TR hubs.... Dean T. Mar 13, 2009 08:53:55 PM, tony at tonydrews.com wrote: Or, you could just drive slow. :) - Tony_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 13:21:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:21:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] detroit locker References: Message-ID: <6A8BE8625F314926A8C19481CE008373@Bud> not this year..I'm on a low cost racing budget(:>) RB ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: BillDentin at aol.com ; REK46 at aol.com ; budscars at comcast.net ; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: AW: [Fot] detroit locker Don't your cars have an engine? Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von BillDentin at aol.com Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Mdrz 2009 20:08 An: REK46 at aol.com; budscars at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] detroit locker In a message dated 03/13/2009 12:46:34 PM Central Standard Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: weld it Right, but don't be offended when I don't help you push your car around the paddock. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyel p00000005) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 14 13:28:35 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:28:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> References: <8CB72C4549CA6E0-C20-242A@WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com> <004001c9a4b6$fecfe390$fc6faab0$@net> Message-ID: <03C7651F-1848-4A73-8831-D56B1AA769EE@bnj.com> You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR. On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:10 AM, Craig wrote: > OK so why can't you use the MG design? > To pricey or hard to install? > > Craig > > -- From smockracer at charter.net Sat Mar 14 21:29:30 2009 From: smockracer at charter.net (Paul Smock ) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas Message-ID: I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 From jibjib at att.net Sat Mar 14 21:30:49 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gotta second a west coaster. There aren't enough of us yet. Welcome John, Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Smock Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:30 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] John Nikas I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Mar 14 21:36:03 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:36:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas References: Message-ID: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> capecoventryracing at gmail.com The above is John's email. He is certainly going to be a welcome member and gets my second to the group. Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smock " To: Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first From markvaden at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:55:55 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:55:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002401c9a51f$2b919460$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <4F61DB1A-F151-4B93-B06D-60E2739BEDF6@gmail.com> John is a great guy, and I definitely recommend him. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:36 PM, "Gasket Works" wrote: > capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > The above is John's email. He is certainly going to be a welcome > member and > gets my second to the group. > Mordy > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Smock " > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:29 PM > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > > >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory > raced at >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an >> asset to > our >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs >> at our > first > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Mar 15 14:12:53 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:12:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles References: Message-ID: So how have I managed to autocross and roadrace my Mk. 1 Spitfire for 44 years without ever snapping a U-joint? Inner axles, yes. Many times. Even the "big" ones on occasion. But ever since I ditched my well-worn limited slip for a welded-up rear, even that has reduced to almost zero (two in nearly 20 years). Outer axle once and then I put in performance axles and never had that problem again. But the only U-joint failure I ever had was when the car was still a road car, on a trip to New York (from Kansas) in 1966 or '67, and it basically ran out of grease and froze inside the U-joint carrier. Even then I got it to where I needed to get to (Long Island) and we fixed it there. Just lucky, I guess. :-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles > In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? > Wheel tuck under and launch? > > I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser > where > at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > ________________________________ > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles > > > Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have > a > competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the > keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition > axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded > together..and they are larger diameter > BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the > wheel > goes Bye Bye... > Racer Bud > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find high quality stock photos and images. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 15 14:23:07 2009 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <85090.29020.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have some aftermarket billet axles for spits. Dale Oesterle --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Rocky Entriken wrote: From: Rocky Entriken Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles To: britbits at netzero.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 4:12 PM So how have I managed to autocross and roadrace my Mk. 1 Spitfire for 44 years without ever snapping a U-joint? Inner axles, yes. Many times. Even the "big" ones on occasion. But ever since I ditched my well-worn limited slip for a welded-up rear, even that has reduced to almost zero (two in nearly 20 years). Outer axle once and then I put in performance axles and never had that problem again. But the only U-joint failure I ever had was when the car was still a road car, on a trip to New York (from Kansas) in 1966 or '67, and it basically ran out of grease and froze inside the U-joint carrier. Even then I got it to where I needed to get to (Long Island) and we fixed it there. Just lucky, I guess. :-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] spitfire axles > In a related topic, what happens when you snap an axle u-joint at speed? > Wheel tuck under and launch? > > I've been lucky that the two u-joints I've snapped in the autocrosser where > at launch so I was able to get it stopped without further drama. > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas > > > ________________________________ > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:24 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] spitfire axles > > > Maybe some of the newer guys/gals don't know why it's so important to have a > competition axle setup on a Spitfire or GT6...The weak point is where the > keyway is in the hub..that's where the stock axle breaks...the competition > axles..or at least the ones i know about have the hub and axle welded > together..and they are larger diameter > BECAUSE..since there is no axle housing......when the axle breaks..the wheel > goes Bye Bye... > Racer Bud > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to find high quality stock photos and images. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bolRR8HcwtXPYY9eznaP6 L6sMkMIvnjvoFEmAEZlcsAmIVcnGA/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dotts46 at q.com Sun Mar 15 19:05:29 2009 From: dotts46 at q.com (DAN OTTS) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:05:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an asset to any group or organization to which he belongs. Dan Otts > From: smockracer at charter.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs at our first > race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 15 21:03:16 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:03:16 -1000 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well then obviously we don't want him. As one of the core FOT reprobates, I have to insist on a equal number of truly awful people for every good guy we nominate. We are woefully behind in cigar smoking, scotch drinking, sexually harassing people. this influx of kind, gentle and talented people is making me feel terribly outnumbered. I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, DAN OTTS wrote: > I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an > asset to > any group or organization to which he belongs. > > Dan Otts > >> From: smockracer at charter.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 >> Subject: [Fot] John Nikas >> >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the >> factory raced > at >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an >> asset to > our >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs >> at our > first >> race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Sun Mar 15 21:06:03 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fear not Bill, I think between, you, me, Kas, and Susan we've got them well outgunned! On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Well then obviously we don't want him. As one of the core FOT > reprobates, I have to insist on a equal number of truly awful people > for every good guy we nominate. We are woefully behind in cigar > smoking, scotch drinking, sexually harassing people. this influx of > kind, gentle and talented people is making me feel terribly > outnumbered. I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing > much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. > > > On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:05 PM, DAN OTTS wrote: > > > I too endorse John's nomination. He's a quality guy who will be an > > asset to > > any group or organization to which he belongs. > > > > Dan Otts > > > >> From: smockracer at charter.net > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:29:30 -0700 > >> Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > >> > >> I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that the > >> factory raced > > at > >> Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He is an > >> asset to > > our > >> TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had 24 TRs > >> at our > > first > >> race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 15 21:58:56 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:58:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine assembly webpage Message-ID: <20090316045809.EBE01187669@autox.team.net> In case you're interested... I posted the pictures from my latest TR-4 engine assembly here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_build.htm I had intended to do this last year but got down to the wire on the assembly and forgot to take the key pictures. - Tony D From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 08:17:20 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:17:20 +0000 Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I may have to nominate Dick Cheny. I hear he's not doing > much lately, might as well drive a Triumph. Are ya sure Cheney would drive a Triumph? After all he's an "oil man". TRs might just be too economical. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From chasgee at aol.com Mon Mar 16 16:51:51 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:51:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903161532r2dded67cn820ec277fe05a861@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903161532r2dded67cn820ec277fe05a861@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB74A0EE0F64AE-A8C-1A6B@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> how did this happen?! No one consulted me on this, i'm sure its an oversight! Welcome aboard John! Chuck From mediehljr at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 17:59:27 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] John Nikas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640371.80692.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Interesting. I wonder if it is the TR4 that I drove in the 63 12 hr #38 ?Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Paul Smock wrote: > From: Paul Smock > Subject: [Fot] John Nikas > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 11:29 PM > I nominate John Nikas to the FOT list. He owns a TR4 that > the factory raced at > Sebring in 1963 and John runs with us on the WEST COAST.He > is an asset to our > TRIUMPH community. His father raced TRs in the 60s. We had > 24 TRs at our first > race this year at California Speedway. Paul Smock #190 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Mar 16 20:39:10 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:39:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] ARE wheels - type Le Mans Message-ID: I desperately need one more 13 x6" 4 on 3.75" Libra for the Group 44 GT6 if anyone has one!? Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 3/12/09 7:48:58 PM, wgrosenbach at juno.com writes: > Who makes the Libre looking wheels on SCCA's Sports Renault-SR/F? > Bill > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:28:29 -0600 Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer > writes: > > Might they be Libre made by American Racing? No longer available but > > > > still popular for their "vintage look". > > > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:24 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > question: What should a set of used ARE wheels type Le Mans cost. > > > Are they available in USA or all used on FOT race cars? > > > > > > Cheers > > > Chris > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Succeed in Your Weight Loss Goals. Easiest Protein Diet. Click Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMfAoaHvB2rAlAVlM6obOMxiA5p > yF0MD5BsZbgKIybURZ7XU6kshS/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 21:32:09 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] panasport wheel Message-ID: <285b8a860903162032y70132871uc3137db2f5e3623c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, If anyone has 1 panasport wheel 15x7 (for a TR4) that is in suitable condition for racing for sale please contact me. Thanks in advance, Mark From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 12:56:30 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:56:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias Message-ID: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 13:00:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71BF94BA-7BE2-44F7-B49A-9F80AA4156D2@comcast.net> Curious as to what system pressures you see and what type of gauges are used for this application? On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:56 PM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 17 13:19:36 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:19:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090317191935.VSMF12344.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly > under breaking. Have you checked the rotors for thickness variation and runout? Randall From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 14:09:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:09:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have > not lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system > The gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 16:28:54 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I purchased one and it looks like the proper part. Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end-float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. Just curious. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 17:01:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:01:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351D1171-1243-4F7E-B254-40BE21ABB013@bnj.com> It will certainly work. I'd make a fixture to hold the part and grind it. Epoxying it to large wood dowel might suffice. Cut a step in the dowel so it can fit a drill press and then spin the part against so coarse paper. On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the > third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say > "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I > purchased one and it looks like the proper part. > > Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install > the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end- > float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. > > Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the > washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin > against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the > trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this > part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to > polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also > managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a > guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before > it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. > > My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to > the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but > I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer > at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. > > Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. > > Just curious. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 17:05:08 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 17 17:21:03 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <20090317232104.YPCU133.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > Is .006 enough to cause sittuation I believe so, yes. Usual limit is more like .002", measured at the same distance from the edge. IOW it doesn't matter if the edge is thinner than the center, as long as the thickness is the same at a constant radius from the hub. But if the caliper has to follow that change in thickness as the rotor turns, it will push fluid back and forth through the lines causing the pulsation you observed. Runout is less of a problem, since it just moves the pistons back and forth (assuming a dual piston caliper) or the caliper body for a single piston caliper. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 17 17:30:41 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:30:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by someone who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not street (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is . > 006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully > as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as > well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot > of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop > as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the > pressure flutter, but it might. > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I >> recently added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have >> not lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system >> The gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help >> rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 18:14:55 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> <3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Message-ID: I like the don't worry about it fix Wow its such a small number. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by someone who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not street (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 17 19:50:27 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:50:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Why not just get a spacer washer of the proper thickness to give you the correct endfloat? mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 19:55:50 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Why not just get a spacer washer of the proper thickness to > give you the correct endfloat? this one is the "keeper" that is next to the circlip. the spacer goes at the other end of the 3rd and 2nd bushings. I have plenty of those. All sizes too - .128, .124, .121, .118. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 17 20:58:15 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:58:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> Robert Lang wrote: > > this one is the "keeper" that is next to the circlip. > > the spacer goes at the other end of the 3rd and 2nd bushings. I have > plenty of those. All sizes too - .128, .124, .121, .118. > Uh, yes, I know. Why is it you want to adjust the end float of the 2nd/3rd gear bushes using the sectioned washer, introducing stress risers and non-parallel surfaces when the gearbox was designed to adjust this end float with precision ground washers of various thickness on the other end? What am I missing in your reasoning here? mjb. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 17 21:14:31 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> References: <49C05363.3010900@bradakis.com> <49C06347.4000809@bradakis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Robert Lang wrote: > Uh, yes, I know. Why is it you want to adjust the end float of the 2nd/3rd > gear > bushes using the sectioned washer, introducing stress risers and non-parallel > surfaces when the gearbox was designed to adjust this end float with > precision > ground washers of various thickness on the other end? What am I missing in > your reasoning here? the piece I was looking for is part number 156136 (or alternate 157054) in the TRF TR6 book. I broke the washer that was in there, so I bought a new one from Moss. The finish of the new piece was fairly rough, some sort of greyish finish. Removing the grey finish so I have a uniform shiney finish seems to have done the trick. The resulting part is (by micrometer measurement) still good (less than .001" variation measured at several places. I think I still have a precision washer. Regarding the spacer washers 129941 through 129944, given the dimensions that I had, the smallest (129941) was .003 too big! It looks like the polishing actually worked. I'll mic it to be sure the washer faces are still parallel. I did find it interesting that TRF doesn't list the 156136 or 157054 as available anymore. I think the grey "stuff" is some sort of leftover from the hardening process. But there's a LOT of it. About .005". WOW. > mjb. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Mar 17 23:24:20 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:24:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] History Corrected... References: <482642287.12718131235929127193.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <236541C2B6964E2A9DEB2EEE136AC806@KasPC> <001d01c99ae9$d88c4a60$1502a8c0@Belkin> <8E05017D-CBC2-44F2-A460-8ED898E4F949@parabolicapub.com> <017c01c9a0c4$f94bd320$1502a8c0@Belkin> <90D42B3C-B8F3-42F2-B4C9-1550352E39E3@parabolicapub.com> Message-ID: <005f01c9a789$cb6f58c0$1502a8c0@Belkin> The History books need to be rewritten. The 1957 Sebring results are somewhat incorrect (see below) in the #2 link. The correct version is the photographic evidence Mr. Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver in #34 1957 put together. He will be traveling to Sebring to set the record straight. See the new photos and details in link #1. I made the photos larger and it may take a bit to download. #1) http://www.fot-racing.com/historic/index.html #2) http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1957/57seb.html Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 17 23:51:00 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, don't forget to buy a new circlip for each installing. Never install a circlip twice, even not for measuring the endfloat. Use the old ring for measuring the endfloat. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Lang Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Mdrz 2009 23:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Stupid Tranny Question Hi, I broke the washer that goes between the circlip from hell and the third gear bushing on my TR6 gearbox. Don't ask. Suffice to say "stupid". At any rate, the folks at Moss had new ones in stock. So I purchased one and it looks like the proper part. Unfortunately, the part is about .010 too thick and I cannot install the circlip from hell to hold things together. I'm talking .000 end-float between the 2nd/3rd bushings and the circlip will not seat. Undaunted, I decided to see if I can "fix" the fitment, as the washer (this is the one with the flutes cut in so it does not spin against the circlip) had a rough grey-ish finish and all the trannies I've ever taken apart have a smooth shiny finish to this part. Using some cutting oil and some emery paper, I've managed to polish off about .005" from the part to this point. I've also managed to consume about an hour polishing and I still have a guestimate that another .005" needs to come off the part before it'll install and give me .003" min. end-float. My question to the group: does this seem like a proper approach to the problem? I suppose I could pull parts from another tranny, but I've got only one spare and I'll need to address the broken washer at some point anyway, so I'd like to make do with what I have in hand. Note: this is a $50 part (new), not a $10 spacer washer. Just curious. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Wed Mar 18 08:39:00 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:39:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination... Message-ID: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> Folks... Please allow me to nominate Bill Oker Jr. to the FOT. You will find many of his dad's triumph racing stories on our www site. There is more to be added. Bill currently races with HMSA and has been racing since at least 1961. I will put a photo of a 1961 time trial at Pomona with Bill driving a TR3 on the www site shortly. As you know his dad raced in Sebring with the factory team and Bill currently races as well. Although, his father has passed we look forward to having him join us. Mark B. Can you wave your wand and place Bill on our list once you have a second to the Nomination. Mordy Here is his email address... Oker, William R CIV ISSC SW, AIR-44540" www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 08:42:22 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:42:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002401c9a7d7$47ad0b60$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <354a1780903180742t1db79238p66af41884a2756e0@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Gasket Works wrote: > Folks... > > Please allow me to nominate Bill Oker Jr. to the FOT. > Second. Welcome Bill. Irv Korey From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 09:23:30 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC><3D05C12A-1402-4FAE-B712-3C304192AAE8@bnj.com> Message-ID: <02B35BF2418F498F811A173F3C142340@RobPC> This morning the local shop agreed to turn the discs. It did take a little convincing that they were not for a street car The shop has been in the same location scence i was a kid and the man dueing the work is no spring chicken.So that and a buck fifty gets you a cup of coffee. We'll see thanks for the help and feed back rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >I like the don't worry about it fix Wow its such a small number. rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > Probably. That's actually quite a bit. I'd have the disks turned by > someone > who knows what they are doing and understands that racing disks are not > street > (otherwise they'd probably say the disks are too skinny to turn). Or don't > worry about it. Consider it kind of a poor man's ABS > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, rob wrote: > > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about > 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It > will > take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but > it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I > recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have > not lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system > The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help > rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 18 10:27:53 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Message-ID: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Group My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from Summit. Nothing fits! I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea who supplied them. Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 18 10:33:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:33:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon Racing: horizonracing at msn.com On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill > vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf > just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with > a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from > left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is > not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the > forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights > and frame. > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no > more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy > have no idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:34:15 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <354a1780903180934r241e5a77g8ec69d27f837dee9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from > Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea > who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? I used the washer bottle from a TR6, removed the pump and vented the cap. It may be more than 6" tall however, I'm not near my car right now. Irv Korey From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Mar 18 10:37:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:37:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hi Glenn, This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, though. If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Group My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from Summit. Nothing fits! I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea who supplied them. Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? Thanks in advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] From pebert1 at wi.rr.com Wed Mar 18 10:49:53 2009 From: pebert1 at wi.rr.com (Paul Ebert) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias Message-ID: <138CA834161C478AA899C4B0C9944A5C@OFFICE> For what its worth in this discussion. generally speaking brake discs should have no more than .0005 to .0006 TV or thickness variation. Taper from the hub to the outer edge should vary no more than .003 and I would expect as close to zero would be appropriate for TIR or total indicated run out. Most new street cars are at .002 or less these days. You would definitely have "knock back" of the pads on a fixed caliper design braking system with .006 TV or that much run-out. I have learned this stuff after selling an on car lathe for the last 20 years. Our product will produce from .0005 to .001 run-out and .0002 TV in about 8min. Cool stuff. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Mar 18 11:04:21 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:04:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer Message-ID: In a message dated 03/18/2009 10:36:32 AM Central Standard Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > Amici... Bob Wismer arrives at SEBRING today with our Tornado TR3 Thunder Bolt. On that car we actually moved the whole coolant catch tank under the car and behind the left rear wheel. I know that sounds weird, but there's plenty of room back there, and it works for us. We just have to remember to 'check it' after sessions. Our issue was that car does over heat sometimes, and while we had plenty of room for the catch tank under the bonnet, we always seemed to end up water skiing on our own slop when it was up front...so we moved it. Now the people behind us (when and if there is somebody) get to deal with that. Lot of our stuff is weird, but no one has more fun than we do. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Mar 18 11:10:19 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:10:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer References: Message-ID: <59B30757501B497D9E29D8E35532651E@Charly> How about ebay item #200320875767 Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > In a message dated 03/18/2009 10:36:32 AM Central Standard Time, > sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > > >> This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, >> sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain >> petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to >> the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, >> though. >> > > Amici... > > Bob Wismer arrives at SEBRING today with our Tornado TR3 Thunder Bolt. On > that car we actually moved the whole coolant catch tank under the car and > behind > the left rear wheel. I know that sounds weird, but there's plenty of room > back there, and it works for us. We just have to remember to 'check it' > after > sessions. > > Our issue was that car does over heat sometimes, and while we had plenty > of > room for the catch tank under the bonnet, we always seemed to end up water > skiing on our own slop when it was up front...so we moved it. Now the > people > behind us (when and if there is somebody) get to deal with that. > > Lot of our stuff is weird, but no one has more fun than we do. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Wed Mar 18 11:14:54 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:14:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Wow, you guys go for the good stuff. I use the washer bottle trick or a spun aluminum water bottle from the sporting goods store and dump it out once a season. On 3/18/09, Barr, Scott wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > > If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up > a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the > dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank > for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton > blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical > tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left > to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more > than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward > bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no > idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 18 13:41:06 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> Message-ID: I'm using a windshield washer bottle I got at the parts store -- not sure what kind of car it was meant for. A Chevy I think. The parts store should have a nice variety of such things, I just chose one that fit and would mount up easily. It's square, and mounts in a wire frame that I've bolted inside the battery well. It has an outlet in the bottom I plugged with a glob of RTV. Cut a nice hole in the top for the overflow hose and it comes out of the wire frame so I can empty it when needed (using the screw-off cap at the top). The battery is relocated to a location inside the passenger compartment. This setup has worked for me for at least 20 years now. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a catch > tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical tanks > don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left to > right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more than > 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward bracing from > the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit from > Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no idea > who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Mar 18 14:58:50 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some clicking due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors solved the problem. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rob Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause sittuation rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: rob Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it might. On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently added bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not lost performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The gauge for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 15:10:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:10:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake bias References: Message-ID: Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they should not be out there. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not > going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some > clicking > due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors > solved > the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about > 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will > take > more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation > rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but > it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Mar 18 15:49:48 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias References: Message-ID: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> Aw come on, guys. There's always that long, boring straightaway! :-) Rocket J. Squirrel (When autocrossing, my eyes are on the course, my ears are on the tach). ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Munson" ; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they > should not be out there. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Munson" > To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > >> I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not >> going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL >> >> I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some >> clicking >> due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors >> solved >> the problem. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of rob >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: Bill Babcock >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about >> 10 >> locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not >> spend >> much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will >> take >> more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause >> sittuation >> rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: rob >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> >> I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of >> pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the >> weight >> shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but >> it >> might. >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: >> >> >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently >> added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have >> not >> lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The >> gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 15:59:48 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> References: <171F3828EE85424B870F010826EF0478@rocky> Message-ID: of course, on the straightaway those brake gauges should read zero; the time to look is when you are braking, just before turn in, double- clutching, etc. Sounds like you need a data logger. On Mar 18, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: Aw come on, guys. There's always that long, boring straightaway! :-) Rocket J. Squirrel (When autocrossing, my eyes are on the course, my ears are on the tach). ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Mike Munson" ; "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net >; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road > course..they should not be out there. > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" > > To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > >> I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges >> you're not >> going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL >> >> I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some >> clicking >> due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the >> rotors solved >> the problem. >> >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of rob >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: Bill Babcock >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on >> about 10 >> locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did >> not spend >> much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It >> will take >> more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause >> sittuation >> rob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> To: rob >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias >> >> >> I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of >> pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as >> the >> weight >> shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure >> flutter, but it >> might. >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: >> >> >> I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I >> recently >> added >> bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I >> have not >> lost >> performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the >> system The >> gauge >> for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the >> help rob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 18 16:18:19 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74010CF017@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <49C1732B.1050402@cfl.rr.com> On the gt6 I removed the existing battery box by drilling out the spot welds. Fabricated an aluminum box with a flange to overhang onto the flat firewall shelf and drop in where the battery box used to be. Drilled the flange and the shelf. Installed rivnuts into the shelf so that the box can be removed if need be. The top of the box has two fittings. One for the valve cover and one if you want to vent the block. A small K&N filter is also installed in the lid on a third fitting. A drain petcock is in the bottom. Creates a clean unobtrusive installation. Box cost me $75 to get fabricated plus the fittings and filter. May have pictures of the installed box if anyone is interested. Bob Barr, Scott wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > This Canton part fits in my battery box - barely (see attached pic, > sorry the rest of you won't get it). I have to operate the drain > petcock on the bottom with a screwdriver and the top is quite close to > the underside of the bonnet, but it fits and looks nice. Spendy, > though. > > If I were to do it again, I'd go to my welder and just have him make up > a canister for me, letting him know what it's for and what the > dimensions should be. I had him make up a water overflow/expansion tank > for the part of the scuttle just to the driver's side of the Canton > blow-by tank. It looks great and cost $45. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer > > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill vertical > tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf just > above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with a > horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from left > to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is not more > than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the forward > bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights and frame. > > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no more > vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy have no > idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > > Thanks in advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Racer > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Blackhawk April 10 011.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From britbits at netzero.com Wed Mar 18 16:38:48 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201c9a81a$4ee1d990$48741342@jrg> It's an issue of "where" on course. Drivers school weekend I was barely able to sneak a peek on the TWS front straight. Second weekend? I was waving to friends at the fenceline on the carousel. And watching the gauges on a regular basis. So if the car isn't a handful, it's easier to keep an eye on what's going on around you. If the car is a handful.. Maybe time for some work? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 DM Spitfire autocrosser '61 Morris Mini vintage racer 1275S clone -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:10 PM To: Mike Munson; 'rob'; 'Bill Babcock' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Whoa!...if someone is not able to check gauges on a road course..they should not be out there. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; "'Bill Babcock'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're > not going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some > clicking due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the > rotors solved the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on > about 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not > spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It > will take more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough > to cause sittuation rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as > the weight shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the > pressure flutter, but it might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bpQZQGhd9DwOhW2BIiWNMPZub416CtUoNB5Mz5TJnCEoEJBOsY/ From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Mar 18 19:14:34 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:14:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: Sorry for the late opinion, but I could not agree more with Mike Munson. I added brake bias guages to my cars many years ago and the only time I ever look at them is in the pits or on the grid for a rain race. Make any adjustment there and that's it, no time to read them at speed. ( I have used video to record the guages during testing) After reading this thread I can't imagine a guage "fluttering", especially if there is no loss in performance. True a little run out will not help, but I don't believe that is the cause. Do you have any sort of in line proportioning valve or something? Either the gauge is bad (which I doubt) or you have some sort of bias pressure unit for the rear and you may have too much rear bias dialed in, thus the fluttering of the gauge. I like to see the front pressure up initially then have the rear follow, with about 800 PSI for the front and 400 for the rear junder max braking, too much rear will get you backwards in a hurry! Also check your balance bar and make sure its free to move as sometimes they can bind up, a little WD-40 every now and then can help. Sam > From: fasttrs at mindspring.com > To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; Billb at bnj.com > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:58:50 -0800 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > I've been told "if you have enough time to look at your gauges you're not > going fast enough or braking late enough". LOL > > I have never noticed any feedback from my pedal but have heard some clicking > due to run out on a car with mufflers. A light turning of the rotors solved > the problem. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of rob > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > On Randalls sujestion i did a quick check on the disc thickness on about 10 > locations Many are the same and the most variation is .006 I did not spend > much time on this and will do it more carefully as time allows It will take > more time to do the run out check as well. Is .006 enough to cause > sittuation > rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: rob > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > > I'd see how true your rear disks are, a little wobble causes a lot of > pressure variation. Rear wheels are also prone to a lot more hop as the > weight > shifts forward. Hard to see how that would make the pressure flutter, but it > might. > > > On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:56 AM, rob wrote: > > > I have Mike Munson's rear disc brake convertion on my tr-6. I recently > added > bias gauges. The rear gauge flutters rapaidly under breaking.I have not > lost > performance and i am pretty certain there is no air in the system The > gauge > for the front remains steady under breaking thanks for the help rob > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From bownes at seiri.com Wed Mar 18 19:38:40 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: Don't forget to check the jam nuts in the pushrods that tie the balance bar to the cylinders too. Those coming loose lead to Bad Things. Like no brakes going into Big Bend and a subsequent trip upside down.... On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Sam Halkias wrote: > > braking, too much rear will get you backwards in a hurry! Also check your > balance bar and make sure its free to move as sometimes they can bind up, a > little WD-40 every now and then can help. > > Sam From britbits at netzero.com Wed Mar 18 20:17:36 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:17:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake bias In-Reply-To: References: <6516BCE67CA84F2ABEEFB40E7C2A0C38@RobPC> Message-ID: <000f01c9a838$dfa8b3e0$50711342@jrg> Not trying to be intentially anal.. If you're seeing fluctuations on a pressure gauge, then something has to be causing the pressure differences. On a disc brake setup, normally that'd be the differences in rotor runout. If the car is handling ok, then it's something to watch in the after action videos but not lose sleep over. If the handling under braking is funky... time to clean things up in the rear brakes. Never hurts to have things perfect. But who has time/$$ to do that? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Halkias Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:15 PM To: Mike Munson; 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; billb at bnj.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias Sorry for the late opinion, but I could not agree more with Mike Munson. I added brake bias guages to my cars many years ago and the only time I ever look at them is in the pits or on the grid for a rain race. Make any adjustment there and that's it, no time to read them at speed. ( I have used video to record the guages during testing) After reading this thread I can't imagine a guage "fluttering", especially if there is no loss in performance. True a little run out will not help, but I don't believe that is the cause. ____________________________________________________________ You will believe your eyes! Click here for great whale watching packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYXA9BVLRZLwHdkKpC6gpSNJIIZ0TJ2ASkqv03H0gSkozmOvvmdkAY/ From m-syork at comcast.net Wed Mar 18 21:02:15 2009 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:02:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000301c9a83f$1be63ed0$56ae1218@markv8zno7deim> I second that! Tony found a catch can that was used in a 50's-60's era sprint car at a swap meet. The can was too tall so he modified it to fit the battery box in my TR3. It's a work of art. Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM To: Glenn Franco Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon Racing: horizonracing at msn.com On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > Group > > My Spitfire (72) has limited open space under the bonnet to mount a > catch tank for my oil blow by. The standard run of the mill > vertical tanks don't package (not enough room). > I'm looking for a more horizontal unit that will sit on the shelf > just above the firewall/dash panel. My panel has been replaced with > a horizontal and vertical sheet of aluminum and is continuous from > left to right of vehicle. The space between the shelf and bonnet is > not more than 7". Left and right of the engine is crowed due to the > forward bracing from the roll cage to the front suspension uprights > and frame. > I have searched the usual sources online and ordered a vertical unit > from Summit. Nothing fits! > I'm looking for a rectangular or round low profile round tank no > more vertical than 6". I've seen some examples that would fit buy > have no idea who supplied them. > > Any ideas or do I have to have to make one? > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Wed Mar 18 21:35:17 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Head(?) freebee Message-ID: <497D9C0B-58E6-4789-B469-482BB287F7A9@mac.com> I have a TR4 head that came with a parts collection; I have absolutely no use for it, so if someone is interested its yours for pickup or the cost of shipping; it appears to be a TR4 because of the flat between 1 & 2 intake, and the intake ports do not appear to be ball milled as indicated in the below link. Has casting marks of 502137 and 7212. http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/FAQ_heads.htm Pictures below; kinda dusty/dirty, but I would assume usable; if you think not, let me know so I can throw in the scrap metal pile... http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#100833 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 18 13:46:32 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Catch Tank for a Spitfire Racer In-Reply-To: <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> References: <49C12109.6030504@charter.net> <7C93A9BE-32BB-4D83-89E0-1D207C8B2347@bnj.com> Message-ID: <49C14F98.9060809@charter.net> Thanks for the suggestions on the catch tank location. The area behind the left rear wheel well in the boot is pretty open and sounds like it would work for coolant. Still looking for something for an oil catch. I think the oil would pool in the line if the catch tank was back in the boot. Attached are two photo's of the space I have to work with. Note there is no battery tray in the dash panel. Max height including the breather can't go beyond 7". Those reading from the list will not see the photo's. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Racer Bill Babcock wrote: > A lot of that kind of stuff gets hand built. Tony Garmey > does beautiful pieces to solve problems like that. It's not cheap > though, but you'll wind up with a catch tank that you can put in the > living room to stare at during the off season. Tony runs Horizon > Racing: horizonracing at msn.com > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Glenn Franco wrote: > >> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of racecar 006.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of racecar 007.JPG] From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Mar 19 07:14:58 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:14:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a few questions about my street only GT6. It's a fairly recent purchase, I was a Spitfire guy before this and I'm noticing some differences in the way it handles. The car seems to get light at speed. The front end is higher than my Spits but from the pictures I've seen of other street GT6s, this seems to be normal. I thought this was done on purpose, possibly to counteract the higher weight of the engine, moving some of the weight to the back. It seems to allow too much air under the car, I like to drop the front down an inch or so by a combination of adjustable perch (Spax or Koni) shocks and shorter, stiffer springs. The current compressed spring length is 8.5 or 9", depending on if I measure from the base of the spring retainer or the insides of it. I'm running 7.5" on my street spits. I have a number of springs in different sizes I've collected over the years for the spits that are possible candidates. I'm sure this has been done before, any recommendations for spring rates or lengths? Any alternative ideas, caveats? Second question is on exhaust systems. The car has a custom exhaust, stock cast iron manifold but it splits to 1.75" dual pipes at the diff and has a pair of 12" straight pipes for the mufflers. The guy I bought it from was an old Triumph motorcycle dealer and I suspect the pipes are from a bike. I like a loud car, but this is louder than my race car and it getting annoying. I'd like to upgrade but I don't see many options. Stock, Pacesetter (Monza) or Bell dual setup seem to be the only package options. I've found a set of mufflers that have roughly the same size and diameter of the current pipes but I need to rig up a mounting system to because they weigh more than the current little pipes. I'm leaning towards the Bell sport system from SpitBits but I'd like some feedback from the collective wisdom here. I'm not trying to keep the car original but I do want to keep it period correct if possible. No coffee can mufflers like a kids Honda Civic if you know what I mean. Thanks in advance mike http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/harmug/GT6/P3150003.jpg From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 19 09:09:03 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR 3rd/4th synchro hub Message-ID: Hi, I got the box together. Thanks for the offers for parts! So here's the next question. Background - I seem to be forgetting things at an alarming rate, so I apologize if this is a question with an obvious answer... like I just sent this message to fot at auto.team.net. Yikes! ---- The big TR gearbox 3rd/4th synchro hub is assymetrical, that is to say one side has a protrusion of the inner splined section that is flush to the one face of the hub and the other side is recessed from the outer face. So it obviously goes either one way 'round or t'other. I've assembled more than 15 of these gearboxes the last one was about 6 years ago. I can't remember which way the synchro hub is supposed to go! The TR6 parts book implies that the flush end goes to the tail of the tranny and therefore the recess goes forward - but I assembled one last night with the flush end forward. And it fits and there's no binding or anything. So - what's the proper orientation? I'd pay someone to do this work except I have close to no money for the forseeable future (and I have TWO TR6's in need of loving care.) Oh, and the house. :-) On the plus side, I can assemble one of these units in about 60 minutes now. That's from parts all over the place, not neatly stacked on a bench. rml p.s. the polishing thing def. worked on the keeper washer - it came out to .003" end-float using a .121" washer. That's in spec! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 09:33:47 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:33:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Big TR 3rd/4th synchro hub Message-ID: <1014616286.282415.1237476827594.JavaMail.root@vms229.mailsrvcs.net> /2xjhJj: Permission denied From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 19 10:14:45 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:14:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ is done Message-ID: We did get the car done and here is a cool video from Amelia Island. We have a heck of a program planned for The Mitty, April 30th-May. The dinner with Bob Tullius Thursday night still has a few tickets available. Would love to see everyone there. Thanks for all who helped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI3nyC4dubc Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 10:46:43 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. Thanks, Jim G From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 10:48:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:48:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:49:11 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <11912873.1237481351330.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I use Willwood hi-temp brake fluid http://www.wilwood.com/Products/006-MasterCylinders/012-EXP/index.asp ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 12:46 PM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. > >Thanks, > >Jim G >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Mar 19 10:50:58 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:50:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 10:56:08 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <10922762.1237481768532.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If you search the posts you'll see that Castrol LMA changed their label to emphasize "Synthetic" but the mixture hasn't changed and it IS safe to use in the racecar. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: "Kramer, Robert" >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 12:50 PM >To: "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't >noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Bill Babcock >Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM >To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >Castrol. Seems good. >On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >> racecars. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim G >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 10:57:26 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:57:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <25368D5B-8083-4937-8FC3-CF9D4022A5FF@comcast.net> Motul RBF 600 or 660. Pegasus catalog has a nice chart on boiling points. After looking at that you won't use anything but Motul or Castrol synthetic. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: I have been using Wilwood Hi-Temp0 570 Racing Brake Fluid and I haven't noticed a difference from using the good old Castrol LMA. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:48 AM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question Castrol. Seems good. On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 11:01:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I think it's very expensive?) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > Castrol. Seems good. > On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >> racecars. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim G >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 11:05:23 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:05:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic (take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the > label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the > same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I > think it's very expensive?) > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > >> Castrol. Seems good. >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >>> racecars. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim G >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 11:07:31 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question Message-ID: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I installed speed bleeders too, and one on the Clutch slave cyl. After 1 time, my wife won't help me bleed the brakes anymore. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM >To: RACER BUD >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > >Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic >(take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If >you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I >seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My >best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. >On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the >> label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the >> same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I >> think it's very expensive?) >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >> To: >> Cc: "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> >> >>> Castrol. Seems good. >>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the >>>> racecars. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jim G >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>> >>> Bill Babcock >>> Babcock & Jenkins >>> Billb at bnj.com >>> 503.936.7660 >>> www.bnj.com >>> >>> Editor >>> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >>> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >>> >>> Bill at kenalu.com >>> www.kenalu.com >>> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 11:32:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:32:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3968185.1237482451409.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <70AAE26B-8723-4ABB-99CA-6B36C1ABD43B@bnj.com> Fussy little buggers aren't they. Spray a little brake fluid on them, yell at them a few times, help them out of the car with a hand covered in brake dust and grease and bang, they want to quit. On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:07 AM, steve wrote: > I installed speed bleeders too, and one on the Clutch slave cyl. > After 1 time, my wife won't help me bleed the brakes anymore. > > ~Steve > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Babcock >> Sent: Mar 19, 2009 1:05 PM >> To: RACER BUD >> Cc: fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> >> Motul ain't cheap either. I think all brake fluids are hygroscopic >> (take up water from the air) and that affects their boiling point. If >> you use a cheaper fluid like Castol you can change it frequently. I >> seem to wind up doing that anyway--I seem to bleed brakes a lot. My >> best investment has bee Speed Bleeders--love the little buggers. >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, RACER BUD wrote: >> >>> Castrol seems to be the old standby...They have recently changed the >>> label on the LMA bottle, but the product is supposed to be the >>> same...Huffaker uses MOTUS(sp)....ATE is a well thought of brand..(I >>> think it's very expensive?) >>> Racer Bud >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >>> To: >>> Cc: "fot" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >>> >>> >>>> Castrol. Seems good. >>>> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:46 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in >>>>> the >>>>> racecars. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jim G >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Fot mailing list >>>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>>> >>>> >>>> Bill Babcock >>>> Babcock & Jenkins >>>> Billb at bnj.com >>>> 503.936.7660 >>>> www.bnj.com >>>> >>>> Editor >>>> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >>>> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >>>> >>>> Bill at kenalu.com >>>> www.kenalu.com >>>> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Mar 19 11:39:37 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:39:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I use Porsche brake fluid. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Mdrz 2009 17:47 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake fluid question I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. Thanks, Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 19 11:45:37 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:45:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Greetings all, I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with Toyota. Anyone done that? Ideas/pitfalls? Thanks, Bill ____________________________________________________________ Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ From andre at gt6.ca Thu Mar 19 11:49:11 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903191049l5170dae4m72bcb8c705cc1872@mail.gmail.com> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html 1974 Toyota Corolla A. 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 12:02:20 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have a better idea. A used Miata. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Rousseau >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >To: William G Rosenbach >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > >1974 Toyota Corolla > >A. > >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> Greetings all, >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with >> Toyota. >> Anyone done that? >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> Thanks, >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 19 12:07:34 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:07:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001001c9a8bd$94863b00$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > They have recently changed the label > on the LMA bottle, They won a court decision a few years back, that basically said anything from a modern refinery can be labeled as "synthetic". Randall From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 19 12:13:22 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:13:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> That fits better than I thought it might. Thanks, Bill On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau writes: > http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > > 1974 Toyota Corolla > > A. > > 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > > Greetings all, > > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire > with > > Toyota. > > Anyone done that? > > Ideas/pitfalls? > > Thanks, > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 19 12:19:37 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1905172.1237485740369.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27335D26D2954889A0CD9E85D5660C7E@joepentiumnew> I had the BEST idea and used a Honda S2000! :) Joe C -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:02 AM To: Andre Rousseau; William G Rosenbach Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire I have a better idea. A used Miata. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Rousseau >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >To: William G Rosenbach >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html > >1974 Toyota Corolla > >A. > >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> Greetings all, >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with >> Toyota. >> Anyone done that? >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> Thanks, >> Bill >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4 yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > >-- >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >Ottawa, ON, Canada >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Mar 19 12:21:43 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903191121k83f3ed6y69ff4f5c8beb2663@mail.gmail.com> He runs the toyo gear box as well, 4 speed, but I understand there was a 5 with that model. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Cp6FNdsjw good idea of how it sounds. 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : > That fits better than I thought it might. > Thanks, > Bill > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau writes: >> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> >> 1974 Toyota Corolla >> >> A. >> >> 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> > Greetings all, >> > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >> > Toyota. >> > Anyone done that? >> > Ideas/pitfalls? >> > Thanks, >> > Bill >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> > >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O > NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 12:32:50 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:32:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire Message-ID: <6672941.1237487571061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I was being sarcastic and recommending you just drive around in a Miata! I like the idea of keeping a Triumph a Triumph. Seems to me the engine is probably the most fun part to rebuild! I did, however just see a guy with a very nice and clean bugeye sprite powered by a Mazda RX3 rotary. It was amazing how clean the install appeared and it sounded very nice at idle. When he drove away, it revved and revved! ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: William G Rosenbach >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 11:27 AM >To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > >Does the Miata fit under the stock bonnet? >Bill > >On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) steve > writes: >> I have a better idea. A used Miata. >> >> ~Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Andre Rousseau >> >Sent: Mar 19, 2009 10:49 AM >> >To: William G Rosenbach >> >Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire >> > >> >http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> > >> >1974 Toyota Corolla >> > >> >A. >> > >> >2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >> >> Toyota. >> >> Anyone done that? >> >> Ideas/pitfalls? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >> >> >> >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O >NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> >'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> >Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> >http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> >Fot mailing list >> >Fot at autox.team.net >> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> >> > >____________________________________________________________ >Save on Digital Photography Serivces and Hardware. Click Now! >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTWC3ifMjvD2TYo7fdWeshcpnKWeUW4F2V6Q7TRmDoTfRZdmO8/ From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 12:52:19 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:52:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: I did a TR3 with a Toyota 2TG motor. Not hard, worked great, but I decided to go vintage racing and that car became my NASCAR TR3 On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:45 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 13:00:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:00:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.121323.1008.7.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: That's what she said. Sorry, I'm having one of those mornings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQKsuogUXo On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:13 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > That fits better than I thought it might. > Thanks, > Bill > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Andre Rousseau > writes: >> http://www.gt6.ca/registry/spit-bob/index.html >> >> 1974 Toyota Corolla >> >> A. >> >> 2009/3/19 William G Rosenbach : >>> Greetings all, >>> I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire >> with >>> Toyota. >>> Anyone done that? >>> Ideas/pitfalls? >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. >>> >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9O > NA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Mar 19 13:19:35 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:19:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Motol 600 ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question To: fot > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in > the racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Mar 19 13:26:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, William G Rosenbach wrote: > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. Which Toyota? Toyota has made precious few RWD cars in the last MORE THAN 20 YEARS. > Anyone done that? It's been done, Mark van de Carr has a 4 AGE motor (and Miata rear suspension) - it's fast. Not sure if parts are an issue as the 4AG motor is/was used in Toyota / Atlantic (and a lot of AE86 chassis drifters) > Ideas/pitfalls? See above. > Thanks, > Bill regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 13:51:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:51:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <79195E7C-DE51-49F4-BA62-C37C7059C35E@bnj.com> My first thought was ARE YOU NUTS, and then I realized that 1989 was twenty years ago. I consider cars made in 1989 to be new cars. >> >> > > Which Toyota? Toyota has made precious few RWD cars in the last MORE > THAN 20 YEARS. > >> Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Mar 19 14:32:32 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:32:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire > Greetings all, > I'm watching a neighbor considering re powering a late Spitfire with > Toyota. > Anyone done that? > Ideas/pitfalls? > Thanks, > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Free Information on the Best Online Banking. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFDsBuHUTiAhlh8mWMp6E9ONA4yWlt60mzRoQqDv8BsJSZxWAsiHm/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 19 16:22:29 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, like several other folks, I use Castrol LMA. Used it in CAN AM cars 39 years ago. I asked Dave at TRF about it and he also said that even though the container says synthetic, it's still the same fluid. I also change the fluid at least once a year, usually in the spring during caliper overhauls. Can't hurt. Hasn't snowed in two weeks; spring may be here. Been helping my cousin make maple syrup; hard work gathering sap, but fun. And Babcock, no comments about being a sap! Take care guys, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the racecars. > > Thanks, > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Mar 19 16:09:32 2009 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that you're a sap), but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about using Porsche brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar experience with that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. DT ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: ; "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > Hi, like several other folks, I use Castrol LMA. Used it in CAN AM cars > 39 > years ago. > I asked Dave at TRF about it and he also said that even though the > container says synthetic, it's still the same fluid. > I also change the fluid at least once a year, usually in the spring > during > caliper overhauls. Can't hurt. > Hasn't snowed in two weeks; spring may be here. Been helping my cousin > make maple syrup; hard work gathering sap, but fun. And Babcock, no > comments > about being a sap! > Take care guys, Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:46 AM > Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > > > I was just curious to see what brake fluid people are running in the > racecars. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim G > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 16:29:30 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:29:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> Message-ID: <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system by that corvette at Watkins Glen. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that > you're a sap), > but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about > using Porsche > brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar > experience with > that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. > > DT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > > To: ; "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 19 17:02:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "David Talbott" Cc: "fot" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. > > I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad karma > though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system by that > corvette at Watkins Glen. > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > >> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that you're >> a sap), >> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about using >> Porsche >> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar experience >> with >> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >> >> DT >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" >> > > >> To: ; "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 17:09:01 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:09:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00537200-0085-4164-A804-A7007AAB6C6F@bnj.com> And, as i recall I used it as more of an accelerator--Cameron hit me in the ass after i spun. On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. > > I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad > karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking system > by that corvette at Watkins Glen. > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: > >> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting that >> you're a sap), >> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment about >> using Porsche >> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar >> experience with >> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >> >> DT From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 19 17:35:32 2009 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions References: Message-ID: Mike- I have a 70 Gt6+ that I drive as a daily driver about 9 months out of the year. (Maine winters prevent the other 3 months). After owning and driving it for 3 years now here is my .02 cents worth. Comp springs in the front will give the car the proper attitude you are looking for without sacrificing the ride quality. The lump 6 engine block in the front will dampen the higher spring rate and make the ride quite comfortable. I am unsure of the spring length and rate but the higher rate spring is readily available from most major LBC suppliers. The only challenge is when the car is lifted off the ground for service, the spring will not stay in the spring perch unless you wire tie them to the perch. If you do not wire tie them, you'll have to align the springs prior to putting any significant weight back on the suspension-not a big deal just a pain. Exhaust, if you a looking for great burble- take Nigel's (Spitbits) advice and install the Bell. I had a Monza on mine, it was loud and had a resonation that would drive you out of the car at 55 MPH. I had to wear ear plugs. The Bell takes the resonation away but still gives it a great snarl. It is loud when the throttle plates are wide open however. The fit and quality of the Bell exhaust was excellent. I am running the stock exhaust manifold. Hutch ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 questions >I have a few questions about my street only GT6. It's a fairly recent > purchase, I was a Spitfire guy before this and I'm noticing some > differences in the way it handles. The car seems to get light at speed. > The > front end is higher than my Spits but from the pictures I've seen of other > street GT6s, this seems to be normal. I thought this was done on purpose, > possibly to counteract the higher weight of the engine, moving some of > the > weight to the back. It seems to allow too much air under the car, I like > to > drop the front down an inch or so by a combination of adjustable perch > (Spax or Koni) shocks and shorter, stiffer springs. > > The current compressed spring length is 8.5 or 9", depending on if I > measure from the base of the spring retainer or the insides of it. I'm > running 7.5" on my street spits. I have a number of springs in different > sizes I've collected over the years for the spits that are possible > candidates. I'm sure this has been done before, any recommendations for > spring rates or lengths? Any alternative ideas, caveats? > > Second question is on exhaust systems. The car has a custom exhaust, stock > cast iron manifold but it splits to 1.75" dual pipes at the diff and has a > pair of 12" straight pipes for the mufflers. The guy I bought it from was > an old Triumph motorcycle dealer and I suspect the pipes are from a bike. > I > like a loud car, but this is louder than my race car and it getting > annoying. I'd like to upgrade but I don't see many options. Stock, > Pacesetter (Monza) or Bell dual setup seem to be the only package options. > I've found a set of mufflers that have roughly the same size and diameter > of the current pipes but I need to rig up a mounting system to because > they > weigh more than the current little pipes. I'm leaning towards the Bell > sport system from SpitBits but I'd like some feedback from the collective > wisdom here. I'm not trying to keep the car original but I do want to keep > it period correct if possible. No coffee can mufflers like a kids Honda > Civic if you know what I mean. > > Thanks in advance > > mike From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Mar 19 17:54:21 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:54:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Gotta' admit my cheapo mentality ignorance here... When I built my car I thought I'd go "hi-tech" and used dot 5 synthetic for my first time ever. Quickly learned that the boiling point of synthetic is not suitable for racing. Have used regular ol' NAPA dot 4 since and have never had the soft pedal syndrome reappear. MY question is, if I'm not experiencing a soft pedal, what am I missing by not using fluid that costs nearly as much as I pay for a [used] set of race tires? Granted I don't use the brakes any harder than any other component on the poor thing but I do get them up to temp occasionally. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they > use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "David Talbott" > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question > > >> I was tempted to say something about the Porsche fluid. >> >> I do find that the little buggers make excellent apex cones. Bad >> karma though, as evidenced by Peyote being used as a braking >> system by that corvette at Watkins Glen. >> >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:09 PM, David Talbott wrote: >> >>> Not that Babcock would ever do such a thing (like suggesting >>> that you're a sap), >>> but he did come to mind earlier today when I read a comment >>> about using Porsche >>> brake fluid. I think I remember Babcock having some similar >>> experience with >>> that sort of deal - using a Porsche for braking purposes, that is. >>> >>> DT >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" >>> >> > >>> To: ; "fot" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 18:12:45 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:12:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid question In-Reply-To: References: <1829107815.5022051237481203163.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><011f01c9a8e1$312b7790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae><9E2E1327204C42A390A9D57C5325A188@LatitudeD530> <2457B6A6-4EF8-4394-B469-526E811211B7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3FBFE1E0-5877-4D33-AEDF-F8CE1C6B7819@bnj.com> IMHO, nothing. If you were driving an extremely high performance race car the answer might be different, but if you are squeezing single pucks with a cast iron caliper I'd say if you can;t feel the difference then there isn't much. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Gotta' admit my cheapo mentality ignorance here... When I built my > car I thought I'd go "hi-tech" and used dot 5 synthetic for my first > time ever. Quickly learned that the boiling point of synthetic is > not suitable for racing. Have used regular ol' NAPA dot 4 since and > have never had the soft pedal syndrome reappear. MY question is, if > I'm not experiencing a soft pedal, what am I missing by not using > fluid that costs nearly as much as I pay for a [used] set of race > tires? Granted I don't use the brakes any harder than any other > component on the poor thing but I do get them up to temp occasionally. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:02 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> I just got an email from Andy Greer..with the Gainsco Team.. they >> use AP Racing PRF in the #99 DP car...Andy says its expensive >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" >> To: "David Talbott" >> Cc: "fot" >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake fluid question From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Mar 19 17:28:26 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:28:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> Rocky Entriken wrote: > A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run > autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. > If the choice were between the 2T-C pushrod engine previously mentioned, and a 2T-G or GEU twincam, it should be a no-brainer. The mountings for the engines are virtually identical, as is weight, and the power output, rev range and flexibility of the twincam is much superior. If one wanted a real romper-stomper, the 3T-GTE twincam turbo would be the choice, but that might present a few more difficulties in adapting. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 19 19:17:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:17:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Re powering late Spitfire In-Reply-To: <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> References: <20090319.114538.1008.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <49C2D51A.80406@dfn.com> Message-ID: <73B787F6-563B-4C2A-AC94-07742DFF7451@bnj.com> Domestic 2TGs came with nice side-draft Mikunis that look like webers. different jets and stuff, but nice carbs and the look trick. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Michael Porter wrote: > Rocky Entriken wrote: >> A friend of mine put a Toyota twincam into his Spitfire to run >> autocross in E Modified. It went 1-2 at the Solo Nationals in 1999. >> > > If the choice were between the 2T-C pushrod engine previously > mentioned, and a 2T-G or GEU twincam, it should be a no-brainer. > The mountings for the engines are virtually identical, as is weight, > and the power output, rev range and flexibility of the twincam is > much superior. If one wanted a real romper-stomper, the 3T-GTE > twincam turbo would be the choice, but that might present a few more > difficulties in adapting. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 08:05:26 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Message-ID: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 08:09:43 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: First bleed front, than bleed rear. No trouble with that on a bias dual system. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mdrz 2009 15:05 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Mar 20 09:01:46 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:01:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! It's possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one circuit and this would prevent full travel. "There are those who drive racing cars and then there are racing drivers" Giles Villeneuve > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:43 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > First bleed front, than bleed rear. > No trouble with that on a bias dual system. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Mdrz 2009 15:05 > An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. > > I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) > > you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up > > with bubbles in the rear circuit. > > It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. > > Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? > > Jim G > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Fri Mar 20 09:29:57 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB7787DC6E7CBB-1400-2F@WEBMAIL-DY02.sysops.aol.com> It doesn't matter since both systems are separate.? I still follow the rule of bleeding the furthest cylinder/caliper first in each system though. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: fot Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 7:05 am Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Thanks all for the fluid advice, looks like castrol for me. I read recently that with dual circuit brakes ( i have the tilton setup) you need to bleed the front and the rear at the same time or you end up with bubbles in the rear circuit. It sounds like the speed bleeders are the ticket. Any thoughts on bleeding dual circuits ? Jim G Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 11:28:04 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:28:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: brake bias Message-ID: With this brake stuff going some may like this video ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ebert" To: "'rob'" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] brake bias > Hi Rob, > If you go to the www.procutusa.com web site you can click on the box > titled > "drivers" and it will prompt you to put in your zip code. Or I do know > that > all the Firestone company stores have the technology. It should work fine > on the TR. No it's not expensive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: rob [mailto:19to1tr6 at comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:15 PM > To: Paul Ebert > Subject: Re: [Fot] brake bias > > yes it is cool stuff is there a machine in the Boston area. Is it an > exspensive fix ? Will it work on the Tr thanks for the input This > is > great rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Ebert" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:49 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake bias > > >> For what its worth in this discussion. generally speaking brake discs >> should >> have no more than .0005 to .0006 TV or thickness variation. Taper from >> the >> hub to the outer edge should vary no more than .003 and I would expect as >> close to zero would be appropriate for TIR or total indicated run out. >> Most >> new street cars are at .002 or less these days. You would definitely >> have >> "knock back" of the pads on a fixed caliper design braking system with >> .006 >> TV or that much run-out. I have learned this stuff after selling an on >> car >> lathe for the last 20 years. Our product will produce from .0005 to .001 >> run-out and .0002 TV in about 8min. Cool stuff. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 20 12:01:04 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! > It's > possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one circuit and > this would prevent full travel. Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind last only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with the reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? Randall From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Fri Mar 20 13:26:50 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:26:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Riverside Legends event Message-ID: <005401c9a991$d26e3600$6cd01a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> Anybody going to this?? art de armond From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 13:34:39 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance bar! > It's > possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one > circuit and > this would prevent full travel. Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind last only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with the reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 14:16:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:16:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little discipline. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance >> bar! >> It's >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one >> circuit and >> this would prevent full travel. > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > last > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > the > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 14:45:54 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:45:54 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination (sort of) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since Tony is an FOT member you might wonder why he didn't just let Mark know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph powertrain in it's future. On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly stated. The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to have Kas coming. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 20 14:52:53 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: This is where those little $4.99 Harbor Freight bottles with magnets work so well. I hook up all four and walk around until I get them all pumping about the same and it seems to work great. Bob in Austin. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:17 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: Randall; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little discipline. On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance >> bar! >> It's >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one >> circuit and >> this would prevent full travel. > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > last > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > the > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 16:37:17 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:37:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friend recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their policy? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously > nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since > Tony is an FOT member you might wonder why he didn't just let Mark > know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. > Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer > skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette > longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the > other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. > > Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't > get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly > remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people > seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a > remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? > > Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN > officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once > had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including > John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to > active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph > powertrain in it's future. > > On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the > upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with > other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue > it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing > clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather > than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. > SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively > prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew > SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly > stated. > > The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to > have Kas coming. > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Fri Mar 20 14:14:46 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Miata Anti-dote In-Reply-To: <153547.57880.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <153547.57880.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB77AFA6065E82-17A0-1149@webmail-me17.sysops.aol.com> Amici, This article was sent to myB SCCA region's (Blue Mountain Region)B newsletter editor.B I have no experience with SCCA's version of vintage racing, but I thought it was amusing enough to pass along. Rich Rock B John discovers the Miata Anti-dote By Paul Paparella This is the story of John. Back in days when the local mechanic still knew what a carburetor looked like, John was an avid SCCA racer. After years away from the track to raise his family, John decided to get back into racing. If nothing else, it would take his mind off of his wife leaving him for that tennis pro in a red Miata. So off he went to the next SCCA regional to check out the current scene. John struck up a conversation with some racers in the paddock. bWhatbs the hot car if I want to race a production based sedan?b he asked. The response was bSpec Miata is about the most popular thing going.b Well, of course, John wasnbt too excited about that. bWhat else do you have?b he asked. bWell, you could try Showroom Stock Miata,b they answered. Not happy with the way the conversation was going, John walked over to the fence to watch the first race. As it happened, the first group out was GT. After seeing the lead cars go by, he thought this was kind of interesting. At least it was, until a couple of GT3 Miatas came by, followed closely b y a GTL Miata. That just got him thinking about how much money he lost when his former business partner skimmed from the top to buy a new Miata, then skipped town. So back to the paddock he went to look around. John was never much of an open wheel kind of guy, but he looked at those too. Of course the first one he saw was a Formula Mazda. It had one of those annoying bzoom zoomb decals, just like the one on the Miata that the kid down the street drove, with the big boom box that wakes John up at 3 AM every Sunday morning. Eventually he came upon some old timers standing around some cool old cars, like the ones John raced in the late b70bs. Turns out they were Production racers. bTell me more about Production,b John asked, bI kind of like the older cars.b bJohn, webve got to be honest with you,b one guy said, bwe love the old cars, too, but these days you need a Miata to win in E-Prod. bOr, if you donbt want to spend so much on the engine, you could run a Miata in FP.b bThose damn Miatas are everywhere,b he thought, and then remembered that the IRS agent who audited him last year drove one. By now it was afternoon, and there were just two races to go. Starting to feel discouraged, John wandered over to the false grid to see who was lining up for the next race. As he approached the grid, seeing an i nteresting mix of cars from the 1970bs up through new models, John got his hopes up. Then as he walked down the line, he saw three Miatas in ITA, and five in ITS. One of them looked a lot like the car that ran a red light and wrecked Johnbs classic Alfa last summer. B Continuing down the grid, he passed one SSB Miata, and a couple in T3. The last one he saw was the same color as the one his daughter was in when she got pregnant. bI give up b I guess SCCA just doesnbt have anything for me,b he thought.. John went to the food stand for a late lunch, and then headed for his car, not wanting to stay for the last race. As he walked towards the parking lot, he noticed crowds of people gravitating to the fences. Then he heard the rumble of the pack as it approached the starting line. As the green flag flew, he heard a roar of V-8bs like he hadnbt experienced since the heyday of Trans-Am. He turned towards the track just in time to see the leaders approach Turn 1. bWhat the hell is that Mini doing in between that Stingray Vette and the Shelby Mustang?b he thought. Then he saw a couple of BMW 2002bs, a beautiful Jaguar, three MGbs and a Corvair. bMan, these are the kind of cars I remember racing with,b he thought. After watching several laps of close racing but no bumping and rubbing, he realized these guys knew what they were doing, and were having fun doing it. He pulled out his stop watch, and saw that some of these cars were pretty darned fast, too. After the race was over, he went back to the paddock and found a bunch of the guys from the race. They were all having a great time talking and laughing with each other, but were quick to answer his questions and offer him a beer. After hanging out with the guys for over an hour, John decided that SCCA did have a place for an old school guy like him, after all. The Northeast Division Historic Racing Group was just what he was looking for. It wasnbt until he was halfway home that it hit him. He realized that, besides being a great series, HRG was the only closed wheel race all day that didnbt have single one of those damned Miatas! -------------------------------------------------- This is a fictional story. Any similarity between the cars in this story and actual Miatas is purely coincidental. However, HRG is the real thing. For more information, look up HRG on www.nescca.com or www.historicracing.org. --------------------------------------------------- NEDIV SCCA Historic Racing Group Schedule: July 3-4 at Lime Rock (with VSCCA and Jaguar Club) July 25-26 at Watkins Glen August 22-23 at NJMP Sept 19-20 at Watkins Glen Oct 17-18 at NJMP B From atr6racer at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:49:29 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:49:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders In-Reply-To: References: <1936254659.5264431237557926736.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <014e01c9a985$d68eff50$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <09EB76A9-7498-418D-A325-7AB7816BC961@comcast.net> <7A948238-262B-45B6-BA60-E80B20D063E2@bnj.com> Message-ID: Here's my two cents. Both ways will work but allot depends on your pedal ratio and the stroke of your master cylinders. The best bet is to do one front and one rear at the same time. (Assuming you have a dula master system) If you have a long pedal, doing the front and rear seperately may not allow the balance bar to travel far enough to push the air out of the front or rear system. (and it can bind on some systems) On my cars I use a very short stroke pedal and I can bleed the system with a hand vaccum bleeder one caliper at a time or I can gravity bleed as all of my lines run downhill. Bottom line is, does the car stop without pumping the pedal. If it does, your doing whatever you're doing right. If you're pumping the pedal then I suggest you do something different with your system. Balance between the front and rears is critical under heavy braking, and when you get it right it's wonderful! Sam > From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com > To: Billb at bnj.com; s.janzen at comcast.net > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:52:53 -0500 > CC: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > This is where those little $4.99 Harbor Freight bottles with magnets work so > well. I hook up all four and walk around until I get them all pumping about > the same and it seems to work great. > > Bob in Austin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:17 PM > To: Scott Janzen > Cc: Randall; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fluid, dual circuits and speed bleeders > > Usually you need to do whatever circuit you did first over again if > you do them separately. I do anyway, I find I almost always get a > little more pedal if I follow the old shampoo bottle method--lather, > rinse, repeat. Those of us who sometimes write code have a tough time > ending that infinite loop, but you just need to apply a little > discipline. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > my experience is that I can the circuits separately w/o trouble, > > though certainly don't get as much travel before it binds. > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: > > > >> You have to bleed the fronts/rears together if you have a balance > >> bar! > >> It's > >> possable to get a bind in the balance bar if only bleeding one > >> circuit and > >> this would prevent full travel. > > > > Pardon my ignorance (don't have a balance bar), but wouldn't the bind > > last > > only until the pedal was released? And it be possible to bleed with > > the > > reduced stroke caused by the bar binding? > > > > Randall > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 20:08:44 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:08:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not the Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what noise control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a supertrapp. I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally less restrictive than PIR. great track. On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friend > recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. > Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked > it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as > restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on > baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle > [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their > policy? > Thanks, > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 20 20:19:51 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:19:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive noise level? I've never made provisions for that... Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too loud! - Tony Drews At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not the >Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. > >The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what noise >control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >supertrapp. > >I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >less restrictive than PIR. great track. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 20:32:44 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I'm louder. ~Steve On Mar 20, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Mar 20 20:39:56 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0BBE5C75-347D-4F6F-AB4A-0BA63717D557@earthlink.net> Me either! Rats... no race in Seattle before the CRC? Guess I better check the calendar at least once before heading out - bound to find something fun on the way there or back. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 20:46:14 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:46:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com> <20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning horn is 100db. In other words, it's not a problem. On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive > noise level? I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From fpspitfire at comcast.net Fri Mar 20 22:02:39 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, I thought PIR was a 103dB max without special deviation permit that stopped giving out.B That was one of the reasons ALMS quit going, they gave some ridiculous deal at the last race like LMP900 had 118dB, LMP675 had 110, GT1 had 105 and GT2 had 103 There is also a law on the Oregon book that states any vehicle regardless of on or off road use is required to have a spark arresting muffler on it...learned that from hill climb days. aaron #87 HP Spitfire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:46:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. B and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think B your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd B have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need B more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little B straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a B logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels B difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning B horn is 100db. In other words, it's not a problem. On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Hmm. B So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive B > noise level? B I've never made provisions for that... > > Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too B > loud! > > - Tony Drews > > At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not B >> the >> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >> >> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what B >> noise >> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >> supertrapp. >> >> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >> less restrictive than PIR. great track. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 20 22:18:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:18:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1004738225.5180841237608159168.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <099F4C15-3412-4F58-9041-E64F5B4CA1C0@bnj.com> Actually it's 105 by terms of the 2005 agreement unless there is a variance, and you can still get them but they require a bit of paper wading. CRC has had them--we have an excellent paper wader who can help us if we choose, I don't know if we'd get one this year. When we had one we never needed it, even with the Can Am cars. Each race organization manages the limit differently, most warn at one level and make you take action at another to ensure that 105 is never exceeded, so for example, we might warn at 98 db and require action at 103. I don't know exactly what SOVREN will choose to do but it will be something like that. Spark arrestors have certainly never been an issue at PIR. Its PORTLAND. If we had a brush fire it would be such a miracle that people from everywhere would come to watch it. Seriously folks, we're talking about Triumph motors. You might be able to hit 95 db 50 feet from the track, but you'd have to really work at it. 98 db is TEN TIMES LOUDER On Mar 20, 2009, at 6:02 PM, fpspitfire at comcast.net wrote: > Bill, > > I thought PIR was a 103dB max without special deviation permit that > stopped giving out. That was one of the reasons ALMS quit going, > they gave some ridiculous deal at the last race like LMP900 had > 118dB, LMP675 had 110, GT1 had 105 and GT2 had 103 > > There is also a law on the Oregon book that states any vehicle > regardless of on or off road use is required to have a spark > arresting muffler on it...learned that from hill climb days. > > aaron > #87 HP Spitfire From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 13:45:50 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use a supertrapp without the baffles and it works great, you should be under 90db uncapped jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: "Triumph" , "Starke Shelby" , 'Friends at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:37:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise How about noise restrictions in Portland? A SCCA racer/friendB B recently told me about about the noise restrictions at Laguna Seca. B Said that to get a SuperTrapp [like mine] to conform [90db?]] choked B it about to death. Went on to say that Portland is not nearly as B restrictive. What db do we have to conform to? Any thoughts on B baffled SuperTrapp vs. glass pack [+?] etc. Hope to do Seattle B [Pacific but always SIR to me] the weekend before - what's their policy? Thanks, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Tony Garmey sent me an email saying Starke Shelby has been previously > nominated and seconded, but somehow didn't get onto the list. Since > Tony is an FOT member you might wonder B why he didn't just let Mark > know. I know the answer to that. Picture a old-style balance scale. > Mechanical skills and fabrication excellence on one pan, computer > skills on the other. Now put a TR3 motor or perhaps a Corvette > longblock on the mechanic pan, and well, absolutely nothing on the > other. There you have it. It's a matter of balance. > > Mark, could you please add Starke to the list. Or if somehow he didn't > get nominated and seconded, consider this a nomination. But i dimly > remember John James nominating him as well as numerous people > seconding. For me to remember anything even dimly it must have been a > remarkable event. Perhaps there were fireworks? > > Starke has been a vintage racer for many years, is active in SOVREN > officialdom, and in his prior role as competition chairman never once > had me frog-marched out of the paddock. He owns two TR4s, including > John James' severely crinkled race car which he plans to return to > active duty. He also has a real Devin body which has a Triumph > powertrain in it's future. > > On another topic, Starke and I had a nice conversation about the > upcoming FOT focus event at the CRC. He has had conversations with > other SOVREN officialdom and verified that SOVREN intends to continue > it's practice of counseling competitors from other vintage racing > clubs about their departure from SOVREN car preparation rules rather > than prohibiting them from running. So in other words, you can run. > SOVREN will group cars by potential so people with conservatively > prepared cars will be scored against their proper competitors. I knew > SOVREN would take this approach but it's nice to have that clearly > stated. > > The club is EXTREMELY supportive of the FOT event, and thrilled to > have Kas coming. > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 21 15:12:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery ville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Mar 21 15:39:34 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test was done during tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage made of concrete block with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and the side wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out on the track. ---------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the > responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, > and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not > before. :) > > - Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 15:49:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> Message-ID: <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a sound station that catches the sound as you race by...then...believe it or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the info and A PHOTO OF YOU RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the County Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> To: "Tony Drews" ; Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many of > the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy with > tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to roll up > expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. They were > stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test was done during > tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage made of concrete block > with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and > the side wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it > was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out on the > track. > ---------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the >> responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, >> and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not >> before. :) >> >> - Tony Drews >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 21 16:23:20 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:23:20 +0100 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: >From the noise on your video tapes I can't deny that your car is loud. I run a big Phoenix muffler and meet close to road legal noise. Sometimes I can't hear my own car during a race. On full speed (130 mph) I only hear wind noise. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Mdrz 2009 22:13 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Mar 21 16:33:10 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:33:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> Message-ID: <283855BF-B0E5-4876-A22E-0AFCADEE1F80@earthlink.net> Good vantage point? Print quality? Will they let you pick your favorite? Could be a deal!! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR$ #314 Albuquerque NM On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a > sound station that catches the sound as you race > by...then...believe it or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the > info and A PHOTO OF YOU RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the > County > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> > To: "Tony Drews" ; > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, >> many of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and >> were busy with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their >> TRs trying to roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from >> someones B-B-Q grill. They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to >> pass the test. The test was done during tech inspection held in a >> drive-through type garage made of concrete block with a concrete >> floor and the sound-level meter was between the car and the side >> wall about six feet away. In this congested building, I felt it >> was a tough test to meet, but by race time, all the TRs were out >> on the track. >> ---------------------------------------------- >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >> >> >>> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for >>> all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder >>> wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it >>> quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) >>> >>> - Tony Drews >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 21 17:19:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> <41EA91E17AD34DCE87021276C9C72AA6@Elliott> <7CFE1DC59842423183BE9BF65C419B75@Bud> <283855BF-B0E5-4876-A22E-0AFCADEE1F80@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Infineon is allowed a certain amount of days per year with no noise restrictions...i.e. Nascar..IRL....NHRA...and CSRG's Charity Challenge(last weekend of September this year) has been without decible limits.we usually have guest groups consisting of CAN-AM, TRANS-AM,HISTORIC STOCK CARS...... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > Good vantage point? Print quality? Will they let you pick your favorite? > Could be a deal!! > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR$ #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Mar 21, 2009, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> The way it works here ..at Infineon(Sonoma county, ca.)..there is a >> sound station that catches the sound as you race by...then...believe it >> or not...if your car exceeds the limits..the info and A PHOTO OF YOU >> RACING YOUR CAR is automaticaly sent to the County >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Elliott" <58tr3a at videotron.ca> >> To: "Tony Drews" ; >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >> >> >>> When I attended the TR races at Cadwell Park in England in 1998, many >>> of the TR guys had failed the sound level test at 95 dBA and were busy >>> with tin-snips and cutters under the rear end of their TRs trying to >>> roll up expanded mesh steel they had stolen from someones B-B-Q grill. >>> They were stuffing this up the tail-pipe to pass the test. The test >>> was done during tech inspection held in a drive-through type garage >>> made of concrete block with a concrete floor and the sound-level meter >>> was between the car and the side wall about six feet away. In this >>> congested building, I felt it was a tough test to meet, but by race >>> time, all the TRs were out on the track. >>> ---------------------------------------------- >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 5:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise >>> >>> >>>> I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all >>>> the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner >>>> TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE >>>> to, not before. :) >>>> >>>> - Tony Drews >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Sat Mar 21 19:39:32 2009 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Corrosion Cells Message-ID: <125482.56274.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Came across the following information in an old book (Rust and Rot) and thought some on the lists might find it of use........ 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Message-ID: Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 22 19:11:53 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Aw, crap, I missed Sebring. Got the engine off of the stand, attached flywheel / clutch / tranny, got it in the car and got most of the wires / accessories / manifolds attached. Next weekend I should button it up and wake the neighbors. - Tony Drews At 08:05 PM 3/22/2009, Steven Belfer wrote: >Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took >place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring >on Speed? > >I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the >trunk. > >~Steve From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:21:16 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:21:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sorting front hubs (Spitfire GT6) Message-ID: I am now sorting the Group 44 Gt6+ and could use some advice. I used stock GT6 hubs and am using wheels I got from a Spitfire road racer (American Libra 13x6" with 3.5" of back space). The front wheels stick out pretty far (about an inch wider than the front fenders). When I got the car, it came with some aluminum front hubs that bring the wheels in about half an inch. I thought these were not original, but when I studied an old Group 44 photo, I saw the exact same hub in the picture. I had them crack checked and they came out okay. I am nervous about aluminum front hubs anyway, and when I went to mount a wheel, it rubs on the caliper, when I use these hubs. A 1/8"-1/4" spacer would solve this problem, but that defeats much of the purpose. What do you guys use? What do you think of aluminum hubs? What do you think of this size wheel and do you face the same issues? And how do you solve them? Thanks, and if anybody wants to check out the car, it is on our website and I plan on taking it to the Winter Park car show in a couple of weeks and of couse to the Mitty. And yes, I am getting calls about Portland and Monterey and am seriously thinking about making the trek if I get accepted to Monterey. And for those of you who asked about the Glen and Road America, if I don't go to Portland I could end up at one or both of those events, but I can do all of them. First, I need to get some stuff sorted before I do anything but car shows, which are not really my thing. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:27:00 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:27:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: Hell, I work on cars every weekend, but this weekend I worked on my kid's Spitfire and we took it to a British car breakfast event this morning and I knocked a few things off my list of about 20 things to sort on the Group 44 GT6+. Also worked on the radio on my M3. Does that count? Also started sorting parts and cleaning the shop after recently completing the GT6 restoration. Also went to Sebring, but didn't race. Did announce some on the World Challenge races. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Mar 22 19:29:49 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:29:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lots of frame welding. Re-installed the a-arm brackets and gussets. Attached the TR6 steering rack. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, on the frame portion of the resurrection. Marty > From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:05:34 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 22 19:37:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:37:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: My car is ready to go for the 1st CSRG race April 3-5.....Problem is...I broke my ankle(mugged by one of those @#%$&% Leprechauns on my walk home from a Saint Pats Day dinner)..I didn't even see the little sucker...THEY ARE FAST...I heard a kind of faint giggling sound...looked down....there he was.....he looked up at me....threw his head back..laughed ....said....".Lean Down Closer....I have a great joke to tell you...I think you'll get a Kick out of this"....I leaned down so that I could hear the little 'feller'....he kicked me flat in the shin .....got me hard with his Shoe Buckle.....As I was lying on the sidewalk...I saw a glimpse of he and his tiny girlfriend running away leaping and laughing...They did a little twirl..jumped up a bit..spread their little arms and hollered to me "See you Next Year Racer Bud"... Racer bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on > Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Sun Mar 22 19:52:15 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> Watched most of Sebring. Still waiting for new garage to be finished and then I can move everything off the back lawn into said garage and start doing things. Cheers, Kurt O. Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.12010 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12010 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 19:57:36 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:57:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Sun Mar 22 20:03:35 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:03:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601c9ab5b$a75ec7b0$4a741342@jrg> HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQPL9MOM4HAk/ From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 20:12:12 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:12:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: I guess I would take what I can get, but want to keep the car a real mellow street car (another reason I don't want to mjess with the Webers) I can find the carbs if needed, it is the linkage and manifold that are a bit tough. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoff ers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQP L9MOM4HAk/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Mar 22 20:18:06 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:18:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: Ted tells me he doesn't have any. I have been bugging him since Carlisle last year. Nigel doesn't sell used parts (like the manifold), but is a good source for new Spitfire stuff. In a message dated 3/22/09 10:16:08 PM, rem9 at twcny.rr.com writes: > Tim, Ted Schumacher usually stocks these in rebuildable condition. Joe > Curto > would be the best source for the rebuild kits. Makes a huge difference > especially if you can put in an uprated cam. You might also check Nigel at > Spit Bits on the left coast for the carb sets. > > Best regards > > Russ Moore > 63 Spitfire #49 > 1300cc w/ twin HS-4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:58 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire > > We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need > > to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine > upgrade > story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single > Stromberg sucks. > > Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin > Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on > a > stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and > maybe > the cam at the same time. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under > $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 22 21:09:13 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:09:13 -1000 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> References: <49C6EB4F.1020500@verizon.net> Message-ID: Mmmm, not so much. I did a ten mile downwind Stand Up paddle from Maliko Gultch to the Kahalui harbor in 25 knot winds and ten foot swells. Really crazy stuff, like surfing in a victory at sea movie. Yesterday I did eight miles on the south shore. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun Mar 22 21:10:20 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:10:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Watched a good portion of Sebring, repaired wheel cylinder on TR-6, Tweaked the exhaust system, weighed and finished steering on Hmod project................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque> > At 08:05 PM 3/22/2009, Steven Belfer wrote: > >Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > >place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > >on Speed? > > > >I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > >trunk. > > > >~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Herald948 at aol.com Sun Mar 22 21:20:43 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:20:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission -... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/2009 10:04:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, REK46 at aol.com writes: Click here: eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire Transmission - Rebuilt (item 220377371856 end time Mar-23-09 08:23:24 P.... ==AM== I suppose the lighter weight could be of some value, but I certainly hope that any rebuild was done with a Spitfire (or at least Herald 1200) gearset. Of course, those of you who spend weekends pulling stumps out of the ground with your Spitfire might find the Triumph 10's lower gear ratios useful. ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From srcypher at mac.com Sun Mar 22 21:35:23 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tore down 2 GT6 long blocks to see what's salvagable and store the bits so they don't take up valuable floor space. One had been outside uncovered for years. Pistons fused to the block, rods fused to the wrist pins, lifters fused in the bores. Crank looks savagable, but I can't get it out, since the rods don't move. :( Other than the head, a total write off. Started teardown of a 3rd, but couldn't get the head off; rope trick didn't work with all the studs still in place; have to pull 'em and try again... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Mar 22 22:07:05 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:07:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> I pulled the engine and O/D trans out of my street Spitfire to investigate the cause of low oil pressure at idle. Bearings showed little wear, but the big end bearings on #4 and the rearmost main bearing had tiny little "pits" in them. What causes that? I'm not experienced enough to understand. Now that I know what size I put in 3 years ago (Standard on both mains and con rods), I'll order the HD tri-metal style from BPNW to replace them. Also mounted the 1147 race car engine on a stand so I can finally complete that rebuild on Jeff Senty's old car - darned career change put me way behind schedule. Looking forward to a couple Driver's Ed events, club track days, and some SCCA autocrossing this year. Gotta shake the car down and build some skills. Then maybe I'll be able to finally start attending a few actual vintage races next season. Have to do the autocrosses since they are being kind enough to run the Nationals in Lincoln, NE. Anyone from FOT going to attend? I know Robert MacKenzie is planning a trip up from Texas. I'm guessing Rocket J. Squirrel (Rocky E) will be there. Anyone else? If our local British car club or I can be of any help to anyone, please let me know. Oh - this doesn't really count as "work", but I bought a cheap set of 1.25" SU's on eBay for the 1147 or one of the 1296's I have to build. I'll be going for "true vintage" on the 1296 engines - so I guess that means I should use the HS2's not the HS4's. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Mar 22 22:08:18 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: <08C5EE8230A54B0089F71E6F308B5FDF@rocky> Actually I'll probably do it tomorrow. Today I watched my Jayhawks knock off Dayton and move on to the Sweet Sixteen. Cole Aldrich: Triple Double -- points/rebounds/blocks -- first official one in KU history (Wilt Chamberlain did it, but that was before such records were officially kept). Last guy to pull off that version of a triple in the NCAAs was Shaq in 1992. Just need to finish putting the car back together. First event next weekend. Got lazy a few weeks ago (actually just got tired of lying on the garage floor) and took my Spitfire to my favorite auto repair shop to have them change out the clutch plate and replace a leaky oil seal in the diff. So much easier when it's up on a lift. And then while I was there I had them rebuild a leaking brake master cylinder, spot-weld the bracket that holds the steering column, and they talked me into putting an electric fan on my radiator (and did it for me). Yeah, like most days in the garage, we had two jobs on the list and ended up doing five. Now I just have to put the gearbox cover and the removable part of the rollbar (knee bar) back in. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on > Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Mar 22 22:14:39 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Check out eBay Motors: All Aluminum Triumph Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c9ab6d$e2c954c0$0a02a8c0@Guinan> That's Ron Krantz selling that Aluminum Trans unit. I've been to his shop in Holly. MI. Amazing stuff in that gentleman's head and on his cars... If he says it's all in excellent condition, you can believe him. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 02:50:47 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:50:47 -0000 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: Message-ID: <57D276A220FF490689A83F55E29392B5@Bevan> My Triumphs are now gone to loving new homes as I couldn't drive them after my stroke. They were both too heavy and as my brain was a bit scrambled as well in the early aftermath days, working on them also wasn't possible on the grounds of my own and others safety. But getting rid of them didn't mean I didn't go without a fun car. This weekend saw me getting it out of the garage after its winter layover. We had a wash and polish, and then went for a gentle warm-up drive with the top down of about 20 miles around the lanes, admiring the blossoms in an early UK spring.. No, its not a Triumph - but the fun factor is there by the truckload. Three cyl 660cc engine, twin cam, 12 valve, turbo-charged, five speed and discs all round (with a servo) - and lots of other goodies. Daren't drive it at more than 90mph as the speedo isn't round and I'll bend the needle at 95. Suffice it to say, that even at that road speed, the car is still accelerating. Yes, its Japanese but only 25000 were made in total and only 1100 imported into the UK. Its already a classic and prices are still holding firm. I love it. Jonmac From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Mar 23 03:10:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:10:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After I'll move the car from a wet cave that is called garage to my new house with two big and shiny garages I'll convert the car from steel to plastic panels, paint coat the panels by myself, install the side impact bars as FIA rules want me. At the weekend I did a little tuning shown in the Kastner book 1 - "staking the head" to provide a foundation for further grinding of the head surface. I bought a set of ARE "Le Mans" wheels for dry tires and dedicate the Revolution wheels for the wet tires. I need to check the rear axles for cracks, have a look on the diff and will reassemble the engine which is complete in pieces. Found that my cam is corroded now from being in an open engine block in a wet garage so my car will be the one racing with a rusty camshaft. I'll also fit a new water pump with new design propeller..... ....and hope for the best at Hockenheim race way..... Cheers Chris From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Mar 23 04:51:13 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500.>> They are for mine, though I doubt you could call it "fully prepped". Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: GRMTim at aol.com ; FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Sun Mar 22 21:03:35 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire HS2 or HS4? Some on this list will testify that the HS2 is more than enough even for a fully prepped 1500. Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:58 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire We took about a 100 mile trip in my son's 1973 Spitfire today. I really need to find a twin SU manifold with carbs and linkage and do a nice engine upgrade story on this car. Such a nice little car, but gutless and that single Stromberg sucks. Anyone have one of these setups they want to sell or trade? I have a twin Weber setup but feel this is a little much for a low buck how to article on a stock Spitfire engine. I would obviously improve exhaust and ignition and maybe the cam at the same time. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYR2bmWqgLCO647NUOJ7fgqTVSnRoA5i46UhWiL5RsNQPL9MOM4HAk/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 05:19:45 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:19:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB79C06754559B-1470-2B6B@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Well ... installed a 4.11 diff with a quaife; installed a shortened, rebuilt and balanced driveshaft; took the shims out of the front engine mounts allowing the engine to move back .375" (and the drive shaft still can be disconnected and slid back to allow the trans or diff to be removed(couldn't do this before?); reinstalled the composite leaf spring with my version of a spacer between spring and diff (modified to compensate for the portly driver) and lastly filled the diff and new transmission with fluids.? Now I'm recouperating from the many times spent crawling under and out from under the car for wrenches, bolts and peeks at the Sebring race on Speed.? All in all a great 9 hours spent with my racecar. ?Today after work I'll stop at the garage again and put a couple hours in to finish up reassembly of the rear suspension.? Couple more weeks before my 1st autocross here in the North East. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed?? ? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk.? ? ~Steve? _______________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? http://www.fot-racing.com? ? Fot mailing list? Fot at autox.team.net? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot? ? From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 05:25:46 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:25:46 GMT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Message-ID: <200903230525176.SM08016@[166.70.182.40]> Lets see, I charged the battery on Susan's spitfire in preperation for VIR and then spent the rest of the day running wire in our new shop building. Brad (Susan's chief mechanic) -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer colordog.1 at earthlink.net To: FOT fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed?? ? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk.? ? ~Steve? _______________________________________________? From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Mar 23 05:28:34 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dual SU manifold for 1500 Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3CE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Why not just put a single 32/36 Weber DGV (I think that is the model) on it, and never have to mess with it again? Terry Stetler. From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 05:40:15 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:40:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: <20090323021116.864A7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903230440w2ffd3e30le3f7984c6a11e128@mail.gmail.com> Coffee Table? A. 2009/3/22 Scott Cypher : > Tore down 2 GT6 long blocks to see what's salvagable and store the > bits so they don't take up valuable floor space. One had been > outside uncovered for years. Pistons fused to the block, rods fused > to the wrist pins, lifters fused in the bores. Crank looks > savagable, but I can't get it out, since the rods don't move. :( > Other than the head, a total write off. > > Started teardown of a 3rd, but couldn't get the head off; rope trick > didn't work with all the studs still in place; have to pull 'em and > try again... > > Thanks > > -Scott Cypher > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery > > 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar > 1971 TR6 TBD > 1976 TR7 Street > 1968 GT6 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 05:53:22 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <200903230525176.SM08016@166.70.182.40> References: <200903230525176.SM08016@166.70.182.40> Message-ID: <4362ae390903230453i995223bl275ace666d64cb5f@mail.gmail.com> I set the grinder to a GT6 full back seat frame. Painted it up and will start on the 2nd one shortly. Can't wait to do the interior. Tested a cheap tach with my new electronic ignition system. That works so I'm doing a mech to electronic conversion on one of my old smiths. http://www.gt6.ca/09/0321/index.html And then had a really detailed chat with my better half about Vintage racing. The results were as expected. I have to wait. Its still not reasonable for me to push at this time. But, I've joined VARAC as a full member. http://www.varac.ca/ And I will do some autox and what not in the GT6. I'm back to square one I feel. Limited in space so I either sell the GT6 or "upgrade" the GT6 into a racer. Good Monday morning :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Mar 23 06:07:36 2009 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB79C7170CBB86-11C0-53B1@Webmail-mg02.sim.aol.com> we watched Bob Wismer change carburettor floats in the Thunderbolt at Sebring... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer To: FOT Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 9:05 pm Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 23 06:33:10 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:33:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SU Carbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim, there's a pair of H4s on eBay right now, with a manifold. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300301531532&ss pagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem= G. Michael Harmuth From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Mar 23 07:00:26 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph work this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Busy car weekend. Saturday morning, went to a Brits of The Hudson car club tech seminar about head rebuilding and valve grinding. Went home and worked on the wife's Spitfire. Replaced the brake master cylinder. Mushroom factor kicked in, ended up replacing a front caliper and hose when I couldn't get the bleeder screw out. Repacked the front wheel bearings and replaced the tie rod ends since the front end felt loose and it was apart anyway. Ended the day with new plugs, wires, points etc. Found the carb dirty, maybe next week... Caught the last two hours of Sebring, thought the commentators audio was hard to hear, liked the in car, at night cameras.Local team, Dyson, was out early too bad. Sunday was work on the new GT6, knew it needed front end work too. Replaced the tie rod ends, steering shaft universal, rack bushings. Repacked the wheel bearings, looked at the ball joints and trunions, think I'll order a set and replace them when I change the shocks and springs. Adjusted the carbs and synched them. Ordered the new exhaust system from Rimmer Bros, 15% off until the end of the month. Took the wife out for a ride in the GT6, the work must have helped, she kept telling me stop driving it like a race car. Tonight I'll start removing parts on the Spitfire race car, getting it ready the season, starts in 6 weeks. Need to install the new engine, tranny, rebuilt diff, front calipers, clutch master and slave and header. Probably need to replumb the exhaust to hook up to the header, may take that to a shop. Haul the car to my brother's shop and get a second bar welded in the passengers side door. I don't think I'll ever learn to get this stuff done in the winter. mike From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 23 07:19:04 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:19:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net> <1833232951.5556401237664750825.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20090321221201.3581F187669@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use one of these . It is surprisingly quiet. I use a 2.5" pipe all the way back to the muffler. The only problem is that I can't hear the engine start on the grid 'cause of all you noisy guys. Moroso Spiral Flow Racing Mufflers Using advanced gas dynamics and sophisticated noise cancellation acoustics, Moroso engineers have developed a new series of Racing Mufflers. Specially engineered spiral baffles divide the exhaust flow into two separate paths, significantly reducing noise levels with minimal backpressure. The all-steel construction makes them durable - our efficient manufacturing process makes them affordable! http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=35054 Bob Kramer Aaustin, Texas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise I'll have no problem with the 105 db limit, I'm sure. Thanks for all the responses / encouragement. My car is one of the louder wet liner TR's, and I kinda like it that way. I'll make it quieter when I HAVE to, not before. :) - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 23 07:42:59 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <001101c9ab6c$d4594e50$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: Hi, Regarding your query about FOT folks attending the Solo Nationals, it is my current plan to be there with my F Prepared TR6. I'll be there mostly for the fun aspect of the event as my car is not very competitive on the national level although I should be able to score mid-pack or better if I don't drive with a rectal-cranial inversion. :-) Of course plans are subject to changes as the organization that I work for is about to go through a serious re-org and "right sizing". I actually gave some thought to dragging my car all the way to Portland for the shindig there and then heading to Nebraska, but that would be pretty much "insane" given the available free time. Not that I've ever been described as fully sane, of course. So, for now, it's Nationals in Nebraska and we'll work with that. Linda wants to hit some National Wildlife Refuges on the trip to/from. It's quite entertaining driving down dirt roads in NWRs with the truck and trailer. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 08:16:29 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:16:29 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning Message-ID: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 23 08:23:48 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:23:48 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning Message-ID: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:54:57 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0903230754y46e5b055ofe11ebe13b93365e@mail.gmail.com> Fun thread-- glad to see that I am notthe only one building and installing an engine on the weekend before first track day. Got the shirt block back just before I went off to the three day Skip Barber MX5 race driving class at Laguna Seca [wow,is that corkscrew an interesting corner -- but my major slide happened in turn six]. Got home on Monday,and left for Malaysia that afternoon. Home at 4 pm Saturday to sleep. Got the whole engine assembled yesterday except for the headers and manifold. Will complete engine install today. Chuck On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place > over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 10:04:45 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. Thanks, Ernie From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 23 10:49:28 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire Message-ID: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I learn and prep. If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? Toyo R888? Too aggressive? Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. Anything else I should look for? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 11:28:46 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:28:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <39423971-B297-4C42-9D36-CEB2D4A34B55@bnj.com> It's twisty, but not that bad. Pretty drive, I did it with no problem pulling Nero. On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. > Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM > To: "fot" > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route > from Richmond > KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville > (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane > highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car > on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 11:46:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? References: <57D276A220FF490689A83F55E29392B5@Bevan> Message-ID: <097F41664D444AE5B814C7B56083C60B@Bud> Hello John I am glad to hear you are/have recovered...Keep the spirit up!..You have lots of good friends here! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? > My Triumphs are now gone to loving new homes as I couldn't drive them > after my stroke. They were both too heavy and as my brain was a bit > scrambled as well in the early aftermath days, working on them also wasn't > possible on the grounds of my own and others safety. But getting rid of > them didn't mean I didn't go without a fun car. This weekend saw me > getting it out of the garage after its winter layover. We had a wash and > polish, and then went for a gentle warm-up drive with the top down of > about 20 miles around the lanes, admiring the blossoms in an early UK > spring.. No, its not a Triumph - but the fun factor is there by the > truckload. Three cyl 660cc engine, twin cam, 12 valve, turbo-charged, five > speed and discs all round (with a servo) - and lots of other goodies. > Daren't drive it at more than 90mph as the speedo isn't round and I'll > bend the needle at 95. Suffice it to say, that even at that road speed, > the car is still accelerating. Yes, its Japanese but only 25000 were made > in total and only 1100 imported into the UK. Its already a classic and > prices are still holding firm. I love it. > > Jonmac _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 12:35:12 2009 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brad, I'd recommend avoiding 58 if you value your life and your vehicles! I made the big mistake of following Mapquest down that route several years ago. It has over 10% grade in several sections both up and down, plus switchbacks that make you think you're in a James Bond movie. But you're not driving an Aston. In a Suburban with open trailer I was in first gear at 10 mph for hours, wondering whether I'd cook the brakes or the trans first. Coming back I think we went north on 29 to 64. (The memory of that leg isn't quite as vivid for some reason.) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: fot ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Brad Kahler" Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM To: "fot" Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 12:58:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:58:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200903230823648.SM07376@[166.70.182.40]> <904494.60776.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00DB9153-8303-4FEB-9AC6-278850C4E351@bnj.com> There are some exciting stretches as I recall, but Nero did fine behind my F350 Diesel, and I thought the road was pretty cool. I was a little less pleased with it when a speeding truck that passed me in the breakdown lane kicked a tire carcass into the trailer, taking off the black water drain system. More like brown as I recall--yeah, I know, too much information. I think the big difference in experience might be the very handy "tow" function on F350 diesels. On Mar 23, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Gary Schneider wrote: > Brad, > I'd recommend avoiding 58 if you value your life and your vehicles! > I made the big mistake of following Mapquest down that route several > years ago. It has over 10% grade in several sections both up and > down, plus switchbacks that make you think you're in a James Bond > movie. But you're not driving an Aston. In a Suburban with open > trailer I was in first gear at 10 mph for hours, wondering whether > I'd cook the brakes or the trans first. > > Coming back I think we went north on 29 to 64. (The memory of that > leg isn't quite as vivid for some reason.) > > Regards, > Gary Schneider > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Brad Kahler > To: fot ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:23:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning > > Not sure how the 58B got there but it should have read highway 58. > Brad > -----Original Message----- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Sent 3/23/2009 8:16:29 AM > To: "fot" > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planningWe're planning our travel route > from Richmond > KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville > (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane > highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car > on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Mar 24 13:10:35 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that some people use. Zippy Racing #69 GT6+ On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Mar 23 13:33:11 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Where are you that it is Tuesday already? What stocks should I buy before the NYSE closes? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:11 PM To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that some people use. Zippy Racing #69 GT6+ On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Mar 23 13:36:33 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0903230754y46e5b055ofe11ebe13b93365e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2102255159.140331237836993820.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The motor is still being machined so I : Fabricated & plumbed a new catch tank Installed & plumbed the oil sump Fabricated & wired a new dash panel for the lap timer Modified the header for more ground clearance Continued with fabrication ofB a carbon fiber air box. ( mold ) Drank a beer Watched Sebring...drank more beer Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Steven Belfer" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54:57 AM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: Re: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Fun thread-- glad to see that I am notthe only one building and installing an engine on the weekend before first track day. B Got the shirt block back just before I went off to the three day Skip Barber MX5 race driving class at Laguna Seca [wow,is that corkscrew an interesting corner -- but my major slide happened in turn six]. Got home on Monday,and left for Malaysia that afternoon. B Home at 4 pm Saturday to sleep. B Got the whole engine assembled yesterday except for the headers and manifold. B Will complete engine install today. Chuck On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place > over the weekend. B Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 23 14:40:51 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pit Stop without stopping Message-ID: <1D32EBB87FC1431AB24967E725D9D8BC@joepentiumnew> Check out this Shell ad. http://www.shell.com/home/content/motorsport/ferrari/fan_zone/videos/refuell ing_ad/index.html&promo=f1banner Scroll down the page and select Streamed video. Joe C. From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Mar 24 14:49:01 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a new service that over sees all our Macs, doing a great aren't they. On 3/23/09 2:33 PM, "Kramer, Robert" wrote: > Where are you that it is Tuesday already? What stocks should I buy before the > NYSE closes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of John Reed > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:11 PM > To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire > > Not sure of which brand for autox, but I do know that 185/60-13 will fit > with no problems. Plus they are the fast tire as opposed to the 205s that > some people use. > > Zippy Racing > > #69 GT6+ > > > On 3/23/09 11:49 AM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > >> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I >> learn and prep. >> >> If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? >> >> Toyo R888? Too aggressive? >> Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. >> >> Anything else I should look for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. > > Regards, > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA > Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 > > John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com > > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly > forbidden. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From gaf3 at charter.net Mon Mar 23 15:51:35 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:51:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C80467.3010508@charter.net> Spent some of the weekend: Found a home for my oil recovery tank next to the radiator shroud and will be mounting my coolant recovery in the boot next to my fuel cell. Installed my Plexiglass TSI windscreen Mostly procrastinated , watched MSU basketball. Sunday I worked on my Rabbit Pickup bodywork (non British car) Glenn Franco 72 Spit racer Steven Belfer wrote: > Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took > place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring > on Speed? > > I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the > trunk. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 23 17:47:31 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:47:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] Interesting car on eBay! Message-ID: <20090324005931.EFF04187659@autox.team.net> >Check it out!! > >eBay item # 180339069262 > >Jim > >*********************************************************** > Visit The Desert Centre Triumph Register of America WebSite > http://www.dctra.org > for info on Subscribing/Unsubscribing and Digest and > Links to other British Car Sites >*********************************************************** From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 23 19:45:48 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> References: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <0KGZ002DNJCLJ0PF@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> At 09:16 AM 3/23/2009, Brad Kahler wrote: >We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if >anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to >I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not >sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road >like that. >Any input would be greatly appreciated. >Brad Brad, I used to drive that road fairly frequently (in my Saturn, not an RV towing a car). It is a bit twisty, so don't count on averaging 60. Go for it! jim >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 20:24:57 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:24:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <200903230816680.SM07444@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down on that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) Mike Bowling Green, KY -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a road like that. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 20:38:27 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:38:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I went to Atlanta to visit family and friends. I Spent Saturday at RA watching Trans Am and other SCCA qualifying. It was the first race of the rebirth of the Trans Am series. It was very motivating watching the cars go down the back stretch at 190+. Unfortunately I am still waiting on my machine shop to finish my head. Mike Bowling Green, KY -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:06 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] who worked on their cars this weekend and what did you do? Just curious what type of pre-race setup, mods, and maintenance took place over the weekend. Or did you just watch the 12 hours of Sebring on Speed? I switched from a carter to a holley red fuel pump relocated to the trunk. ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Mar 23 20:44:15 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:44:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the difference in time and gas. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Husmann Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. Thanks, Ernie Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Mon Mar 23 23:04:07 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:04:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end Message-ID: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in websters for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after rebuilding the entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I realize there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties have gone to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, front lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for ease of adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i know, it's nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly appreciated. [ I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 From Billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 23 23:41:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:41:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> Message-ID: <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> Slicks are pretty pointless without proper camber, so I'd start with that. Unless your car is well set up for slicks, in fact, they will slow you down. Proper camber depends entirely on who made them, but 2 to 4 degrees is the range, and it could be higher. You also need a rational amount of camber gain, or a suspension that is screwed down so tight it doesn't move much. Bump steer is very important with slicks because they track so hard. You need to eliminate it as much as possible. Stock TR3/4 front ends have so much it's hard to believe that anyone can race them. One way that people cope with that is, again, suspension that moves about as much as a go kart. Or you can really sort it, but that requires a lot of cut and try. I'd say step one is get all of Kas's books. Most of the good thinking on TR suspension is in there. There are some additional gems in the dark history of FOT, I'd search the archives. you'll find a lot, it's been talked to death. Only problem with being new--you'll find people won't be really excited about rehashing this. toe should probably be zero--your mileage will vary, and your comfort with low toe settings will depend on caster, which you may not have. I don't recall what model TR4 starting having some caster, but you can replace the lower trunnion bearing and the upper control arms and ball joint with ones from that model and get a couple of degrees. That type of ball joint (the one with two bolts holding it to the arms) enables some adjustability of caster through shims (though you need to be careful not to bind the trunnion) and I've seen them used for some pretty clever camber adjustment. I highly recommend this. it's particularly nice to have caster if your steering ever comes adrift. SOVREN will be fine with your car if it shows up with speedsters, which can be nearly as good as slicks with the proper setup. I've run Peyote on slicks, with a lot of tuning to get it right. Good for about a second over speedsters at PIR with me driving. Someone with more panache might do better. By comparison switching to Speedsters from Vintage TDs was good for three seconds. Peyote is a bit underpowered, it's a momentum car. I put big slicks on it at Road America in a desperation ploy to move from second to first. With the suspension properly redialed I lost more than a second (from rolling resistance I suspect). I suspect a lot of FOTers recall that race. I was scheming to beat that Jahmaniac guy (whatever his name is). Would have been better off to just drive a little harder. I didn't quite understand your slick size--are you saying you're using 9.5 inch slicks? If so, what on earth are you planning to have for horsepower? On Mar 23, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in > websters > for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after > rebuilding the > entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I > realize > there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties > have gone > to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, > front > lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for > ease of > adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your > caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i > know, it's > nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly > appreciated. [ > I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 24 05:28:56 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> <1A834DB7-501F-4A97-AE3D-4CBA7672BA7A@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > I didn't quite understand your slick size--are you saying you're using > 9.5 inch slicks? If so, what on earth are you planning to have for > horsepower? This is just a guess, but the 23x9.5x15 slicks are E Prod legal and a lot of autocrossers use them (for now) in E prepared (and F prepared). But they're cantilever slicks that fit on 7" rims (which used to be required in some autocross classes and are probably still in the GCR for Prod cars). I'm using these tires on my autocrosser. Another guess: Hoosier. If so, they measure on the "tread" face to about 10" wide. They are a LOT of tire! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Mar 24 07:03:32 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: References: <197153.42980.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090324140254.E696718763E@autox.team.net> Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. - Tony Drews At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >difference in time and gas. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging > >While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? > >Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. > >Thanks, > >Ernie From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 24 07:20:07 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:20:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <16129953.1237900807761.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Mar 24 07:33:10 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:33:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging Message-ID: <200903240733771.SM04044@[166.70.182.40]> That sounds to good for the likes of Ernie.......... -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Munson" Sent 3/24/2009 7:20:07 AM To: "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodgingIt is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 24 07:47:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] tr4 front end In-Reply-To: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> References: <4AE049F6B6EC484E95BC8B80BD33C89A@Pendys> Message-ID: <8CB7A9E37ECAA8A-11C8-22FB@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Mark, One of our FOT has come up with a design &? the tooling to produce? fully adjustable upper A-arms. A major feature is that it can be adjusted ON the car without disassembly. Two sets have been installed and I received a set a short time ago. For further information contact??? vintage.racer at comcast.net??? or??? n197tr4 at cs.com Joe A -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pendergrass To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:04 am Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end FOT members, new to the group of TR enthusiast. [ yes i did peek in websters for spelling] .I have a 62-63 tr4 vintage racer which after rebuilding the entire front-end i am trying to set the proper alignment specs. I realize there is not alot to do as far as camber angle, but previous parties have gone to great lengths to adjust camber ie; slightly bent vertical links, front lower wishbones etc; I thought about changeing to a later year for ease of adjusting , maybe later. What are you racers out there setting your caster,camber,toe ? The car is shod with 23-9.5-15 slicks. Yeh, i know, it's nothing that Sovern cares to see!!! Any input would be greatly appreciated. [ I peeked there to] Mark Pendergrass (Pendy) #65 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 11:47:29 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging In-Reply-To: <200903240733771.SM04044@[166.70.182.40]> Message-ID: <717180.67758.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> You bet'ya! If I can't smell used diff lube and 114 octane fuel, I just don't sleep well. --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Brad Kahler wrote: From: Brad Kahler Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging To: "mike munson" , "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 8:33 AM That sounds to good for the likes of Ernie.......... -----Original Message----- From: "Mike Munson" Sent 3/24/2009 7:20:07 AM To: "Tony Drews" , "'FOT'" Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodgingIt is also a great place to watch the races from the front deck while sipping on your favorite beverage. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews >Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:03 AM >To: 'FOT' >Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR lodging > >Now THAT looks like a winner! I'm calling to reserve a room today. > >- Tony Drews > >At 09:44 PM 3/23/2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>The VIR lodge. It's pricier than the Danville hotels but worth the >>difference in time and gas. >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of Ernest Husmann >>Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:05 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] VIR lodging >> >>While I have plans to camp at VIR I'm also thinking of reserving a room in >>case the weather is less than pleasant. Any suggestions? >> >>Snow over the weekend will make you think like this. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Ernie >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Mar 24 12:29:40 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:29:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fw: tr4 front end Message-ID: /CFFoLV: Permission denied From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 16:59:58 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:59:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon Message-ID: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> I don't know if this video falls under the category of "guys with too much time on their hands" or ???? In any event, interesting footage of the smallest F1 car to take a lap (well almost a full lap) at Infineon Raceway. Wonder what it cost to rent the track for that lap? Gary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axolD-21JM4 From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 24 17:33:17 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:33:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! Message-ID: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> Fun. Lewis driving the biggest RC controlled F1 Car >Stay with it till the end. >McLaren dollars?? What Recession??? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 24 17:36:03 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon In-Reply-To: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> References: <005201c9acd4$41a1b250$c4e516f0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: That guy drives like I do! :( Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Horstkorta Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] F1 in-car video at Infineon I don't know if this video falls under the category of "guys with too much time on their hands" or ???? In any event, interesting footage of the smallest F1 car to take a lap (well almost a full lap) at Infineon Raceway. Wonder what it cost to rent the track for that lap? Gary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axolD-21JM4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 24 17:37:57 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! In-Reply-To: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090325003336.ABAE9187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <97E8918CC3004D5B9A249ECB524D763C@joepentiumnew> In case you didn't catch it, that ad was paid for by Vodafone. With their bucks in sponsorship, anything is possible. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:33 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; members at dctra.org Subject: [Fot] Why I Think Lewis Hamilton is the COOLEST World Champion...EVER!!! Fun. Lewis driving the biggest RC controlled F1 Car >Stay with it till the end. >McLaren dollars?? What Recession??? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 24 17:54:26 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away Message-ID: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most people wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he was still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time with him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer at. He was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that loved to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out (some people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this area. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub y-dead-81/ -Ed- From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 24 18:04:52 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Another great passes away Message-ID: <133637.80594.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First email dropped a couple of charcters from the link -Ed- --- On Tue, 3/24/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Another great passes away To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 6:54 PM Listers: Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most people wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he was still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time with him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer at. He was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that loved to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out (some people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this area. http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub y-dead-81/ -Ed- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 18:07:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away References: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C01BD879B794B73A940DD897AA9C9DE@Bud> that's the era of guys that put the bug in me before i even knew what a road race was Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away > Listers: > Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most > people > wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he > was > still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time > with > him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer > at. He > was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that > loved > to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out > (some > people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I > could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this > area. > > http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub > y-dead-81/ > > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Tue Mar 24 19:05:46 2009 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:05:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com><20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> I Run almost strait pipes dumping out under the right door and have never even been talked to at portland. If you think it might be an issue bring some sort of diverter to dump it to the right. sound trap is on the left down the back strait. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Tony Drews" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a problem. > and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think > your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd > have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need > more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. > > 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little > straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a > logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels > difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning > horn is 100db. > > In other words, it's not a problem. > > On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > >> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive >> noise level? I've never made provisions for that... >> >> Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too >> loud! >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >>> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >>> the >>> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >>> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >>> >>> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >>> noise >>> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >>> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've run >>> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, but I >>> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >>> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >>> supertrapp. >>> >>> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's generally >>> less restrictive than PIR. great track. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 24 19:25:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:25:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC and noise In-Reply-To: <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> References: <0FD5EAAF-0AE1-4BFA-AA83-E4812A28C7DC@earthlink.net><749A76EB-DBFA-4497-B873-5F1375FBB0B9@bnj.com><20090321031900.1257D187655@autox.team.net> <8202CB22-E101-411F-B5E2-195AB91203FE@bnj.com> <3D2A9937CC27491A88CF830B4CD2A7B0@quickfure2vk6w> Message-ID: <0D47F894-6264-452C-B19C-AF4428DFEB92@bnj.com> My straight pipe does the same thing--dumps at the ground with an angle under the car. Some people say that can make the noise bounce around, but I find it to be pretty quiet and I've never had a problem. Most times i run a muffler though because i really don't need any more hearing loss, and i don't want excessively loud noise around the grandkids. I keep muffs on them, but still... On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:05 PM, quicktr4 wrote: > I Run almost strait pipes dumping out under the right door and have > never even been talked to at portland. If you think it might be an > issue bring some sort of diverter to dump it to the right. sound > trap is on the left down the back strait. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "Tony Drews" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] CRC and noise > > >> As i said, I've run a straight pipe on Peyote and never had a >> problem. >> and we run Can Am cars at this event without problems. If you think >> your Triumph is louder than a Lola T70 or a Porsche 917 then you'd >> have something to worry about. In the very unlikely event you'd need >> more muffling we can always wire on something that will work. >> >> 105 db is pretty loud, Laguna Seca has a 92 db limit--my little >> straight-through muffler lets me meet that limit. Decibels are a >> logrithmic scale, so 3 db is roughly ten times louder. 13 decibels >> difference is more than ten thousand times louder. a train warning >> horn is 100db. >> >> In other words, it's not a problem. >> >> On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >>> Hmm. So the Columbia River Classic at PIR has a semi-restrictive >>> noise level? I've never made provisions for that... >>> >>> Would suck to tow for 3 days and not be able to run because I'm too >>> loud! >>> >>> - Tony Drews >>> >>> At 09:08 PM 3/20/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>>> I assume you are talking about the Portland Historic Races and the >>>> Pacific Northwest Historics which are July 3-5 and July 11-12, not >>>> the >>>> Columbia River Classic which is Sept 5-7 since there is no race at >>>> Pacific Raceway the week before the CRC. >>>> >>>> The Portland Historic races are an HMSA event, I don't know what >>>> noise >>>> control level they'll be working with. You have to get a special >>>> variance to exceed 105 db. A supertrapp is generally plenty. I've >>>> run >>>> Peyote with an open exhaust at PIR and not exceeded the limit, >>>> but I >>>> was just trying that out to see what worse case was. I run a light >>>> muffler and never have a problem--nothing as restrictive as a >>>> supertrapp. >>>> >>>> I don't know what the limit at Pacifc Raceways is, but it's >>>> generally >>>> less restrictive than PIR. great track. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 24 20:58:32 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:58:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away In-Reply-To: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45570.32957.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice man, and a FAST guy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Another great passes away > Listers: > Found out today that Lloyd Ruby passed away last night. Although most > people > wouldn't put him in their top three or top five drivers of all time, he > was > still one of the great open wheelers. I had the pleasure of spending time > with > him last year when he came to a show that I was showing my midget racer > at. He > was a very down to earth country boy type person. An old time Texan that > loved > to tell you his stories, if you took the time for the words to come out > (some > people call it a drawl). I consider myself lucky to have met him while I > could. He was one of the three great open wheelers we have/had in this > area. > > http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2009/mar/24/local-racing-legend-lloyd-rub > y-dead-81/ > > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 25 07:14:08 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220383904388&s spagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem= Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 13:01:02 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:01:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <379E4CE7-0E19-4ECF-AF5F-20E4D67FCEBE@bnj.com> arrgh, gone for less than 19 bucks. I'd have paid more. On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220383904388&s > spagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem= > > Paul > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 25 13:33:17 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:33:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this cardboard cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and never full of himself. From REK46 at aol.com Wed Mar 25 13:42:08 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:42:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby Message-ID: The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have a fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece took at a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign it for me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him have never been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to actually get mail or email to him without being put into a circular file before he ever saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be happy to do it...BUT..he has to know about it first...there must be a celebrity barrier up.... ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 13:49:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:49:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1940FFAE-D40B-4EE5-992C-25EFB2B2E532@bnj.com> Super nice guy, i had a few great conversations with him. Just a racer, that simple. The first was when i got to race with him in Peyote while he was driving McCaw's Carrera Pan America Ferrari. We had the same animated racer talk you have with anyone you dice with. I was on cloud nine. He signed peyote's deck lid and Diane's T shirt with Diane in it. I later bought some of his pictures of the 375 MM at monterey and he autographed them, remembering Peyote in the signature. something like "good luck Peyote #222". I could tell you exactly--the back wall of my office is a temple to Phil Hill--photos, posters, artwork all featuring him., but I'm in Maui and that's in Portland. Hard to believe he's gone. The world's a lesser place. On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real > gentleman and never full of himself. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 14:01:47 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:01:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780903251301p6a0af9e5k9f1f0b6ecaa9c929@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard > cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and never > full of himself. Especially since it was his face on Bobby Rahal's body. :-) Irv From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 14:09:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:09:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill References: Message-ID: <0BFAF51BBF6F480EAD385220CF8291BD@Bud> I met Phil Hill about 3 years ago at the Sonoma Plaza wine and food event during the Wine Country Classic...I saw him from a distance..Said to myself "That has got to be Phil Hill"!...I walked over to him and introduced myself, simply telling him what an honor it was to meet him...what a Great, personable guy Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill >I had Phil Hill sign a full sized cutout with his face on it. > > It belonged to Uncle Jack. I dont where it is now. Maybe Tony knows. > > Mr. Hill was highly entertained by Mark School and me carrying this > cardboard > cutout up to him to sign. He always seemed like a real gentleman and > never > full of himself. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 25 14:10:49 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:10:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR2 & Phil Hill Message-ID: Yup, Jack wanted this cardboard cutout from a bar in Plymouth, WI and was about to liberate it, but decided to off the bartender $10 bucks for it. I think you were with us, IRV. Phil want to know where we got a cardboard cutout of him..."where did you get that!!!". So we had to tell him it was really Bobby Rahal's body. He loved it. > Especially since it was his face on Bobby Rahal's body. > > :-) > > Irv From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Mar 25 14:28:50 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:28:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby Message-ID: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Carroll will autograph almost anything if you make a donation to his charity. No, it ain't cheap! http://www.carrollshelbymerchandise.com/autograph Kurt O. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have a > fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece took at > a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign it for > me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him have never > been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to actually get mail > or email to him without being put into a circular file before he ever > saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be happy to do it...BUT..he > has to know about it first...there must be a celebrity barrier up.... > > > ************** > Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F > %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 25 14:40:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:40:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] phil hill/carroll shelby In-Reply-To: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <1221075018.28933771238012930405.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <6DAF3823-0ACD-4DFC-8B91-552D3B9CECFB@bnj.com> Actually, for a non-sponsored deal, that's a lot less than the going rate. On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:28 AM, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Carroll will autograph almost anything if you make a donation to his > charity. No, it ain't cheap! > > http://www.carrollshelbymerchandise.com/autograph > > Kurt O. > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:42 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote: > >> The Phil Hill thread reminded me of something left undone....I have >> a fantastic pic of me and Carroll Shelby together that his niece >> took at a F-1 race in the pits.....I've always wanted him to sign >> it for me....and all attempts to get a contact that could ask him >> have never been answered....Does anyone have an 'in' or way to >> actually get mail or email to him without being put into a circular >> file before he ever saw it...I'm sure he would remember it,and be >> happy to do it...BUT..he has to know about it first...there must be >> a celebrity barrier up.... >> >> >> ************** >> Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=http:%2F >> %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:22:51 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon Message-ID: <283424800.1249491238034171548.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Gary Horstkorda: Thanks for reminding me why I have not been back to a CSRG event at Infineon!! Regards,B B John James TR4 #116 B formerly TR4 #24 From budscars at comcast.net Wed Mar 25 20:47:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon References: <283424800.1249491238034171548.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <65413512C4174AD7AC8D40498CAD0397@Bud> Hello...Please explain thanks Racer Bud CSRG member ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [Fot] F1 at Infineon > Gary Horstkorda: Thanks for reminding me why I have not been back to a > CSRG > event at Infineon!! > > > > Regards,B > > > > B John James > > TR4 #116 > > B formerly TR4 > > #24 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Mar 25 21:20:45 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:20:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Thanks from #65 Message-ID: <7F6EA8A1EBDA4259BEC67977F3B1967E@Pendys> I really appreciate FOT's input and want to say thank you for your responce to my tr4 front end questions. I am good to go !! Mark Pendergrass ( Pendy) tr4 #65 From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Mar 26 04:02:22 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? Message-ID: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon -Ed- From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Mar 26 05:33:30 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are no more drivers who will do it all. Sure some have the talent to, but will never have the chance because of the high degree of specialization in all classes now-a-days, and the contractural climate of today's professional motorsports. Terry Stetler. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 08:34:23 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes we will never see again. Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, fuel tanks on wheels, little or no driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I would hold in the same regard as Fangio, Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but because they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors script. Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. Jim Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! B http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 B Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon -Ed- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 09:28:50 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:28:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: The great drivers feed the myths of motorsports... the stories. Statistics will always be there for those who think "stats" are what racing is about (kind of like baseball). I've always felt it was the stories... the myths that are more enduring. When Michael Schumacher retired a number of fans on another forum claimed he was the greatest driver who ever lived... maybe. It's all relative. In 50 or 100 years which will be more enduring? Will we still be telling stories about Schummi and his wins, done in a car that is essentially a rolling video game? Or will the tales told of Nuvolari and Varzi or Fangio or Clark or for that matter Hill, Balchowski, Gurney, Sachs and Shelby still inspire and awe? I think you know what my answer would be. Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes we > will never see again. > > Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, fuel > tanks on wheels, little or no > > driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I would > hold in the same regard as Fangio, > > Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. > > Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but because > they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors > script. > > Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. > > Jim Gray > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America > Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his > passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! > B > http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 > B > Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. Mario, > Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, stock > cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our children > speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. Every > era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated > showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you think, but > bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... > Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon > -Ed- > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mpendy at dishmail.net Thu Mar 26 09:38:35 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? Message-ID: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My car is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books dateing back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i am trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original issue March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. At that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at Blackhawk, Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a Mr. Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the car #. Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which time it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt like the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland ran the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the facelift time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph Janssen in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old hot rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a phone # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no avail.Just thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has some input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Mar 26 09:46:52 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <605103baecc59f79cf6515d03c3962c4.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Hi Mark, I was crewing on Chip Bond's TR-4 at the time that Jerry Mowery raced that car. We even worked on it a little bit for him. He had Kearney's Race Service doing most of the work for him at the time, as I recall. Jerry is now (or was last year) racing a Datsun Z-car, a yellow one as I recall. I don't know if I have any photos of it, but Chip might. Go to http://www.gt-classics.com for his contact info. He can probably tell you a bit about the car during the time that Jerry had it. On Thu, March 26, 2009 11:38 am, Mark Pendergrass wrote: > I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My > car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books > dateing > back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i > am > trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original > issue > March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. > At > that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at > Blackhawk, > Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a > Mr. > Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced > from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the > car #. > Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a > brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which > time > it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) > deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt > like > the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some > reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland > ran > the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the > facelift > time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph > Janssen > in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home > track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old > hot > rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a > phone > # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no > avail.Just > thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has > some > input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 26 09:48:02 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <20090326164728.9A9D618767A@autox.team.net> >in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home >track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old hot Portland or Phoenix? From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 11:42:25 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:42:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: <8D2C3438120F4125A57F378435A60BBD@Bud> Hi Mark and all.I don't know where your car came from..but thank you for spurring my interest in finding one of my old ones..I raced 2 different TR4s on the west coast in that era..I know where one of them is, but I sure would like to find the other... The car was black with yellow wheels and racing stripes and a very high roll bar when i raced it. in the San Francisco Region...I sold it to TERRY LAWRENCE in San francisco southern peninsula area...he painted it a very pretty pale green with i think a white racing stripe..I tried into the 1980s to find him and/or the car..no luck. anybody remember Racer Bud's old Love? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pendergrass" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? >I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My >car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago.(needless to say i luuv my kids.) The car came with scca log books > dateing > back 1972. Up until i aquired the car it,spent it's life back east. So i > am > trying to trac down some history. I'll try and make it short. Original > issue > March 17 1972.Raced by a Mr. Thomas Myers from March ' 72 to Sept. 1978. > At > that time the car was white in color and ran #2 D prod.He ran at > Blackhawk, > Aspen,Chicago, Indy, Limerock. Log Book transferred in March of 1995 to a > Mr. > Jerry Mowery, I believe he is/ was a Lt. Col. in the armed forces.He raced > from Mar. 1996 to Sept 1999, primarily at Summit Point. Not sure on the > car #. > Car was still white in color, polished slotted mags, large air dam with a > brit. flag logo. ran E prod. Another log transfer in Sept. 98. at which > time > it appears the car got a major facelift ie; fiberglass panels,hood(bonnet) > deck lid, fenders, quarters,doors.(remember when i said Mr. Shelby did'nt > like > the slicks?) Now you know the rest of the story!! Any way, I have some > reference that around Sept. 2001 a Mr. John Breland or a Richard Breland > ran > the car in the Atlanta Region area.Car # changed to #65 at around the > facelift > time, plus blue stripes were added. Car was aquired from a Mr. Ralph > Janssen > in Atlanta Georgia and brought out to the west coast to it's new home.Home > track is PIR. Do any of the long time racers out there remember this old > hot > rod? Ever been on the track with her? I am pretty certain i had found a > phone > # for Mr. Lowery and did try and contact him,left a message to no > avail.Just > thought i would throw this out their, please let me know if anyone has > some > input, really am curious. Thanks Mark Pendergrass > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 11:58:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> We had the heroes....and many of them came up from scratch...a big difference then was that ..There was a dream available with a goal in sight.....driving our hearts out in our Triumphs, Mgs whatever...hoping to be noticed and scooped up by a big Can-Am team ..It was a realistic dream because it did happen.....and many of the leaders that were racing then came up that way...John Cannon's life was changed when he brought his very outdated modified car to Laguna Seca and won, (or placed very high in it) in a rain race... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "James Gray" ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > The great drivers feed the myths of motorsports... the stories. Statistics > will always be there for those who think "stats" are what racing is about > (kind of like baseball). I've always felt it was the stories... the myths > that > are more enduring. When Michael Schumacher retired a number of fans on > another > forum claimed he was the greatest driver who ever lived... maybe. > > It's all relative. In 50 or 100 years which will be more enduring? Will we > still be telling stories about Schummi and his wins, done in a car that is > essentially a rolling video game? Or will the tales told of Nuvolari and > Varzi > or Fangio or Clark or for that matter Hill, Balchowski, Gurney, Sachs and > Shelby still inspire and awe? > > I think you know what my answer would be. > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:34:23 +0000 >> From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >> >> There are no comparisons, those men had guts and personality the llikes >> we >> will never see again. >> >> Some of theB cars they drove were dangerous just sitting around the pit, > fuel >> tanks on wheels, little or no >> >> driver protection....guts ! There is not a single contemporary driver I > would >> hold in the same regard as Fangio, >> >> Foyt, Unser, Gurney, Hill, Andretti, Jones, et.al. >> >> Be glad we were here to witness drivers that drove not for money but > because >> they loved driving and spoke from the heart and not from their sponsors >> script. >> >> Sorry for the rant, just my .02 worth. >> >> Jim Gray >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "EDWARD BARNARD" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:02:22 AM GMT -06:00 Central America >> Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >> >> Listers: Here is another great write up on Lloyd Ruby, written before his >> passing on Monday. Wow, what a versatile driver! >> B >> http://www.racingnation.com/story.asp?aid=1298 >> B >> Reading this brought something to mind. Our generation has had A.J. >> Mario, >> Parnelli, Dan G., Mark D. All extremely versatile drivers; sporty cars, > stock >> cars, roadsters, rear engined, F1, off road, endurance. Who will our > children >> speak about, from current running drivers, as the versatile guys/gals. > Every >> era has had it's controversial drivers/owners/teams, with associated >> showmanship, but who will be remembered as great? Meant to make you >> think, > but >> bound to start an argument at the bar. I'm willing to start... >> Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon >> -Ed- >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Thu Mar 26 13:10:46 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <9559C3B6FAE64BEE8B477D8AED3CF871@Bud> References: <274965.46679.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1434987051.33381238078063244.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <373F220788F24251B78602C00A01EFE8@KasPC> <9559C3B6FAE64BEE8B477D8AED3CF871@Bud> Message-ID: <3866F990AC3B41D9A397A83367240155@KasPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; "James Gray" ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? >I met Ronnie Bucknam's second wife(I can't remember her name..can someone >refresh me?) at a non auto related function here in Sonoma...She said that >Ronnie's Porsche was put at the back of the grid at Riverside for some >reason...He was very hot about it... still went on to win the race, and >that's when Honda hired him..She was with him throughout his F1 days...said >it was incredible! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: "RACER BUD" ; ; "James > Gray" ; > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > > >> The biggest move I ever heard or saw was when Ronnie Bucknum went from >> racing an MGB in Cal Club to be the first driver for the Honda Formula >> one effort. Now that is a move. >> Lew Spencer went from Morgan driver to one of the first in Shelby's Cobra >> team. George Follmer drove everything also. Porsche 356 in Cal Club , >> Trans Am champ in the under 2 liter division then with Parnelli in the >> Mustang team and in F-1 and also the big Porsche Can-Am cars. Winner >> everywhere. Both Lew and George are still around having a good time. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RACER BUD" >> To: ; "James Gray" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:58 AM >> Subject> From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 26 13:51:39 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:51:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] Twin Spitfire carbs and GT6 hubs Message-ID: Thanks for all your help. I figured out the aluminum hubs I have will work with 4" backspace wheels, which I had a pair of. I alos ordered a set of Spitfire twin SUs from Phil at Quantum. As usual, will give a full report in the magazine and at our website. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 26 15:33:58 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: Message-ID: <755E9E23FD5440A48247C608FC0E07F9@userb38463fba5> Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of the WPTA regulars may want to attend. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Brad Kahler'" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning >I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb > Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down > on > that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) > > Mike > Bowling Green, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning > > We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering > if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B > Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad From chasgee at aol.com Thu Mar 26 16:48:17 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> Message-ID: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> When this topic comes up, Joe Alexander always comes to mind. I've seen him race a TR4 and a Triumph bicycle on the same weekend. Very impressive! Chuck From budscars at comcast.net Thu Mar 26 16:52:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:52:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8166A3646C074A89A50E0BD4E7226D3B@Bud> Hey Joe..do you do road cycling?...Centuries, etc? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? > When this topic comes up, Joe Alexander always comes to mind. I've seen > him race a TR4 and a Triumph bicycle on the same weekend. Very > impressive! > > Chuck From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 17:03:45 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning In-Reply-To: <755E9E23FD5440A48247C608FC0E07F9@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <982108.27904.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jerry: VCDA over Easter weekend; April 10 - 12, 2009 --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: From: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning To: "Mike Munson" , "'Brad Kahler'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:33 PM Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of the WPTA regulars may want to attend. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Munson" To: "'Brad Kahler'" ; Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning > I always go the southern route. 40E. I never liked the name of hwy 58(Jeb > Stuart hwy). I don't want to think of what could happen if you broke down on > that road in the mountains. (Insert banjo music) > > Mike > Bowling Green, KY > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Brad Kahler > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:16 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning > > We're planning our travel route from Richmond KY to VIR and I'm wondering if > anyone has been on highway 58B between Danville and Hillsville (close to > I-77)B in VA.B It appears to be somewhat of a twistyB 2-lane highway.B Not > sure if I would enjoy driving our 31' motorhome pulling the race car on a > road > like that. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 26 17:18:14 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49CC0D36.2040103@141.com> From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Mar 26 17:43:58 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Greatest Drivers? In-Reply-To: <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> References: <73852649AFDE428AA7D5B4D201AAA33A@Bud> <8CB7C7C16A08359-145C-230D@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49CC133E.5020206@141.com> /nTrVWL: Permission denied From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 17:54:44 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? In-Reply-To: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> References: <6C6D8E0FCC9E4ECDA6AF029F545149CD@Pendys> Message-ID: Hmmmm, thanks for the heads up. I will have to forward this email to my three kids:) Marty > From: mpendy at dishmail.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:38:35 -0700 > Subject: [Fot] Back in time anyone? > > I am feeling a bit more comfortable with the FOT family, so here i go. My car > is a 63 tr4 that was given to me as a gift by my three kids about 4 yrs > ago. _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail.. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Mar 26 20:43:02 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:43:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Andre ? I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them to work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. Cheers, Bob T. '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Andre Rousseau To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Tire So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I learn and prep. If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? Toyo R888? Too aggressive? Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. Anything else I should look for? Thanks. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Mar 26 21:02:02 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:02:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: History Corrected... Message-ID: <000c01c9ae88$680ae6e0$1502a8c0@Belkin> Looks like the books will reflect what really happened at Sebring in 1957. Ken Breslauer is the historian for Sebring. See below.. Thank you Mr. Johns. www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Johns To: Mike Cook ; John Herrera ; Jeff Krupp ; Jeff Kelley ; Mordy Dunst Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Fw: History Corrected... I talked to Ken Breslauer, Editor of the Sebring Record Book and Communications Director at Sebring, and he has agreed to correct the official record book upon reprinting of the book in two years for the 60th anniversary of Sebring. I offered to make available to him all the photos and data desired to confirm the facts, but he is satisfied and we all look forward to the published record being corrected. Robert Johns ----- Original Message ----- From: Gasket Works To: Casey Annis ; Robert Johns Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:24 AM Subject: History Corrected... The History books need to be rewritten. The 1957 Sebring results are somewhat incorrect (see below) in the #2 link. The correct version is the photographic evidence Mr. Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver in #34 1957 put together. He will be traveling to Sebring to set the record straight. See the new photos and details in link #1. I made the photos larger and it may take a bit to download. #1) http://www.fot-racing.com/historic/index.html #2) http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1957/57seb.html Mordy www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 05:06:53 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> You may want to check with whatevver vintage org you will be running with to see if they approve R888. looks great but may not fit SVRA, for example Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Andre > ? > I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them > to work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. > > Cheers, > Bob T. > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Rousseau > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm > Subject: [Fot] Tire > > > > So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I > learn and prep. > > If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? > > Toyo R888? Too aggressive? > Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. > > Anything else I should look for? > > Thanks. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Mar 27 05:44:01 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 07:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire In-Reply-To: <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> References: <4362ae390903230949vbd8f73bicc55d8cad9b734c@mail.gmail.com> <8CB7C9CE22B6B29-BB8-D33@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> <984D23CC-671F-4F29-A2B4-889A7907C9A5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903270444h23bcbc8dhee7fd09e2b3b6a90@mail.gmail.com> The R888 is the replacement for the RA1 so I don't see why not, but I'd be inclined to ask VARAC too. A. 2009/3/27 Scott Janzen : > You may want to check with whatevver vintage org you will be running with to > see if they approve R888. looks great but may not fit SVRA, for example > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> Andre >> ? >> I am running the R888 for auto-x as a rain tire but have found them to >> work very well as a dry tire.? Good investment. >> >> Cheers, >> Bob T. >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andre Rousseau >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Tire >> >> >> >> So, GT6 will see some action this year. Autox and some lapping as I >> learn and prep. >> >> If I were to go hunting for a good 13" what do you all suggest? >> >> Toyo R888? Too aggressive? >> Hoosier Street TD tires A70-13 or 185/60-13. >> >> Anything else I should look for? >> >> Thanks. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 27 18:29:36 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:29:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 27 19:19:50 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VIR route planning References: <982108.27904.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F8988182157466E9C3AC0446F1045EA@userb38463fba5> Darn, not doable for me over Easter weekend. I really like VIR and want to go back there with my FOT friends. Always a fun time. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Husmann To: fot at autox.team.net ; Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning Jerry: VCDA over Easter weekend; April 10 - 12, 2009 --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: From: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: Re: [Fot] VIR route planning To: "Mike Munson" , "'Brad Kahler'" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 4:33 PM Folks, I am curious, which VIR race weekend are we talking about? Some of theWPTA regulars may want to attend.Jerry Van Vlack ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 20:00:12 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002a01c9af48$eeb73520$cc259f60$@net> What are all the switches for? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Mar 27 20:04:54 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002a01c9af48$eeb73520$cc259f60$@net> Message-ID: <913C7794A9E44AE58EE5D9E2ADA65641@Bud> Those switches automatically pump out blood pressure medicine when we realize that we could have bought that car in 1988 for $1500.00 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig" To: "'steve'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > What are all the switches for? > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of steve > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:30 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 27 20:26:43 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side pipes are ugly enough. On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, steve wrote: > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Mar 27 20:52:26 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <20090327.205227.2112.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> The Cosmics look nice. . . Bill On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:26:43 -1000 Bill Babcock writes: > Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side > > pipes are ugly enough. > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:29 PM, steve wrote: > > > Hold onto your socks! > > > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Need Basketball Tickets? Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDyW11WF2NK9C3TkeDP2Qo91xz80d4ZBbkJkTqb7PKzUALniThE0w/ From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 27 21:49:11 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Belongs to Herman Munster? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of steve Sent: March 27, 2009 8:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Hold onto your socks! EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 ~Steve Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 06:29:41 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:29:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well done Brawn. Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after a while we will get used to it. Chris From andre at gt6.ca Sat Mar 28 06:36:56 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390903280536x5fb109a6sa754b2218c2f4c22@mail.gmail.com> I still can't decide if teams are sand bagging it or not... We'll see how race strategy plays out. Did anyone see Brawn landed VIRGIN. Honda must be shaking their heads right about now. A. 2009/3/28 MadMarx : > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Mar 28 06:39:56 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] wheel spacing Message-ID: <49CE1A9C.9060207@cfl.rr.com> Anyone care to comment on whether a set of wheels meant for an MGA with stock offset will work on a TR3? I know lug nut spacing is okay. thxx, Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 06:44:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:44:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Herman Munster? I remember that cool show. In one episode they build a drag racer out of a casket and the exhaust pipes were taken from the organ grandfather played. They won the race I think but the parachute was lost somehow an Herman tried to slow down the car with getting towed behind on his feet. They were in flames after. Funny. You US people know best how to make good shows (in most cases) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Paul MacDonald Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 04:49 An: steve; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Belongs to Herman Munster? From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 06:48:16 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Tube bending Message-ID: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - I am getting ready to build a cage for my current project - 1 1/2" mild steel. Can anyone recommend a tubing bender? Type, Mfg., Source. Thanks Dennis From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 07:24:19 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:24:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. Message-ID: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots of aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and craigs list... Saying yes to spring... M From mpendy at dishmail.net Sat Mar 28 08:55:44 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 hp and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. > "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that wonderful. If > I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, like every > hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of cheap > performance parts available both new and used. You can get parts for nine > bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford rear ends with good > bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, > especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have > narrowed them. Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost > equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". > It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." > > > > Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use the > 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the beef and > enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots of > aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and craigs > list... > > Saying yes to spring... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 09:00:40 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine assembly web page Message-ID: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Tony, Thanks for taking the time to publish these pics. I am just about to doctor my oil pan. Noticed that you went top to bottom with the baffle for the length of the opening on one side. I understood the comp manual says it should float 3/8" (I think) from the bottom. Have you run this design? I like the idea. Also I am guessing there is no need for a baffle on the other side or across the pan for hard braking? A COTS pan (commercial off the shelf) for my mustang boxed the pickup with trap doors which is why I was curious - overkill??? On the front of the pan where second peice is welded to the primary peice, I eyeball the float off the bottom of the pan to be ~1/2"? Thanks again for the pics!!! M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 09:13:30 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:13:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> Mark Pendergrass wrote: > Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 hp > and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. > > >> "You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that >> wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a Ford, >> like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. Lots of >> cheap performance parts available both new and used. You can get >> parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen complete 9" ford >> rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches for $300 at swap >> meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote and Ambro. There's a >> million machinists that have narrowed them. Why would you screw >> around with a brit unit that is almost equally fragile. I bet the MG >> rear end weighs almost as much as a 9". It's cast iron, just like a >> 9" or a TR." >> >> >> >> Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers use >> the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not needing the >> beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples of TR HP. Lots >> of aftermarket options and you can get parts at quickie marts and >> craigs list... >> >> Saying yes to spring... >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > I wasn't sure of the specs but I wouldn't wish the mass of my Mustang's narrowed 9" on any self respecting TR. On the plus side it might move the weight distribution toward 50:50 but so would a bag of cement in the trunk. I see the 8" in Nitrous burning Mustangs north of 650hp - no-doubt with after-market upgrades. They are cheap... Cheers, M From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:52:26 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the larger defusers and even out the field. But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: [Fot] F1 practice Well done Brawn. Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but after a while we will get used to it. Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 09:59:27 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:59:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. > Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the > larger defusers and even out the field. > > But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] F1 practice > > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but > after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 10:10:04 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:10:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> Message-ID: <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> In this case it is all about "the spirit of the rules" instead of "the letter of the rules". Mosley made it quite clear that the intent was to limit the area of the diffusers in order to greatly decrease downforce and thus to slow the cars down. All but 3 teams worked around that intent but 3 did not and used a loophole to get a much greater amount of downforce. During all the practices leading up to the first race, it was evident that this was going to be an issue and it would not surprise me to find that The other teams have been re-engineering the diffusers in anticipation of possibility that the FIA would rule that Brawn et al were correct in their application of the new rule. The grid for this first race is indeed looking strange with the Toyotas sent back to the back of the field for rear wing infringement and Hamilton losing 5 spots (from a 15th place qualifying spot) for gearbox replacement. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:59 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser issue. > Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the > larger defusers and even out the field. > > But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] F1 practice > > Well done Brawn. > Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but > after > a while we will get used to it. > > Chris > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Mar 28 10:33:03 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 106-old Racer at Brands Hatch Message-ID: The last item on the BBC news two nights ago was the story about this person who had always followed racing and who always wanted to race a car. So it was arranged and we can see from the in-car camera, this 106-old person agressively driving this sedan at 100 MPH.around Brands Hatch. SHE WILL TURN 107 NEXT MONTH ! Now you know the rest of the story. From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 28 10:35:00 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:35:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: In a message dated 03/27/2009 8:27:21 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Yoicks. Somebody lived way too close to the mexican border. The side > pipes are ugly enough. > Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here in the fifties. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 10:39:19 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the regulation then what is point of printing the rules? You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the penalty for this infraction. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] F1 practice > In this case it is all about "the spirit of the rules" instead of "the > letter of the rules". Mosley made it quite clear that the intent was to > limit the area of the diffusers in order to greatly decrease downforce and > thus to slow the cars down. All but 3 teams worked around that intent but > 3 > did not and used a loophole to get a much greater amount of downforce. > > During all the practices leading up to the first race, it was evident that > this was going to be an issue and it would not surprise me to find that > The > other teams have been re-engineering the diffusers in anticipation of > possibility that the FIA would rule that Brawn et al were correct in their > application of the new rule. > > The grid for this first race is indeed looking strange with the Toyotas > sent > back to the back of the field for rear wing infringement and Hamilton > losing > 5 spots (from a 15th place qualifying spot) for gearbox replacement. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:59 AM > To: Joe Curry > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > > F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have > experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track > addressing > a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board > room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by > said > technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'FOT'" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > > >> Lets wait until the FIA gets to have their say-so about the defuser >> issue. >> Either they will be ruled illegal or everyone else will be running the >> larger defusers and even out the field. >> >> But even so, it is great to see a private team doing so well. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of MadMarx >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM >> To: 'FOT' >> Subject: [Fot] F1 practice >> >> Well done Brawn. >> Good to have a new front runner team. The cars look a little weird but >> after >> a while we will get used to it. >> >> Chris >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Mar 28 10:41:45 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:41:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] F1 practice Message-ID: In a message dated 03/28/2009 9:59:54 AM Central Standard Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > F-1 is weird, and the FIA. Isn't it just a bit strange that you have > experienced technical advisers and scrutineers at the race track addressing > a race car design issue, but then the problem must be decided in a board > room by folks in neck ties, months after the decision had been made by said > technical advisors and scrutineers on the spot. > I am not sure, but I think they copied that after our USA government. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 10:50:53 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:50:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> Message-ID: I don't think it is a matter of enforcing the spirit if the rules as much as further defining them so that everyone is operating from the same page. I doubt any team would be opposed to using more downforce so if it is deemed that the cars using the larger diffusers are indeed legal, I am betting you will see the rest of the field with similar designs at the next race following the FIA's decision. There was some confusing information that was disseminated last year when all that wording came about and it would appear that none of the three teams that are using the larger diffusers were present when this topic was discussed in detail. So if "ignorance is bliss" applies in this case, they might get away with it when all is said and done. Regardless, it makes for some amusing and exciting scenarios as it plays out. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:39 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the regulation then what is point of printing the rules? You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the penalty for this infraction. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 11:11:31 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: HERMAN MUNSTER HAD A TERRIFIC LAUGH Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Herman Munster? > I remember that cool show. > In one episode they build a drag racer out of a casket and the exhaust > pipes > were taken from the organ grandfather played. > They won the race I think but the parachute was lost somehow an Herman > tried > to slow down the car with getting towed behind on his feet. They were in > flames after. > > Funny. You US people know best how to make good shows (in most cases) > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Paul MacDonald > Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 04:49 > An: steve; FOT > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Belongs to Herman Munster? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 28 11:15:57 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs Message-ID: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Fellow Diff Duffersb& As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall that Hot Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found it required about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a TR unit takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights either, but guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. All Geared up In Nor Calb& Nick From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 28 11:16:21 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs Message-ID: <8CB7DE00CC138CE-1464-2C3F@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Fellow Diff Duffersb& As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall that Hot Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found it required about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a TR unit takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights either, but guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. All Geared up In Nor Calb& Nick From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 11:21:17 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:21:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. In-Reply-To: <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> References: <49CE2503.7020804@twcny.rr.com> <49CE3E9A.2060602@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090328182030.24CC718766D@autox.team.net> I have essentially a Ford 8" rear end in my car (was done well before the Southwick conversion was developed). It fits better than a 9" would. The stock axle has a pretty small pumpkin. Not as many gear ratios available as for the 9", but the available ratios line up pretty closely with the stock Triumph ratios - 3.7, 4.11, 4.56. Much easier to replace ring and pinion than on the stock rear axle. It's still HEAVY though. Without driver in the car and with half a tank of gas my corner weights are with 5 lbs of each other, but my car's overall weight is 200 lbs heavier than Jack's car was (2150 lbs vs 1950 lbs). I think the rear axle accounts for about 100 lbs of the difference. I could replace the diff carrier with an aluminum one and save maybe 10 to 15 lbs (and lighten my wallet to boot!). Also, Detroit Lockers are plentiful for these axles. The axles used in the Southwick conversion are cut down Ford 8" axles, so that design is certainly appropriate. There's a lot of detail bits that go into installing an alternate rear axle (altered drive shaft, figuring out brake routing / bias, attachment to rear springs immediately come to mind), so I'm not sure if you save money over a Southwick conversion. You need to make sure to source one with DRUM brakes if you don't want to be bumped to the "cheatin dog" groups. - Tony At 10:13 AM 3/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Mark Pendergrass wrote: >>Mark; Your right-on about the ford 8in. these will take up to 400 >>hp and save a guy alot of weight. Mark Pendergrass >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" >> >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:24 AM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] was Detroit Locker now TR axle breaking. >> >> >>>"You can indeed use an MGB design, though it's not all that >>>wonderful. If I were going to use a non-TR setup it would be a >>>Ford, like every hotrodder and low bucks racer in the world uses. >>>Lots of cheap performance parts available both new and used. You >>>can get parts for nine bolt ford posi's at Napa. I've seen >>>complete 9" ford rear ends with good bearings and posi clutches >>>for $300 at swap meets. Been very tempted, especially for Peyote >>>and Ambro. There's a million machinists that have narrowed them. >>>Why would you screw around with a brit unit that is almost >>>equally fragile. I bet the MG rear end weighs almost as much as a >>>9". It's cast iron, just like a 9" or a TR." >>> >>> >>> >>>Might want to investigate the plentiful Ford 8". A lot of racers >>>use the 8" for very healthy small block drag -race fords not >>>needing the beef and enjoying the lighter weight. Easily multiples >>>of TR HP. Lots of aftermarket options and you can get parts at >>>quickie marts and craigs list... >>> >>>Saying yes to spring... >>> >>>M >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >I wasn't sure of the specs but I wouldn't wish the mass of my >Mustang's narrowed 9" on any self respecting TR. On the plus side it >might move the weight distribution toward 50:50 but so would a bag >of cement in the trunk. > >I see the 8" in Nitrous burning Mustangs north of 650hp - no-doubt >with after-market upgrades. They are cheap... > >Cheers, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 28 11:22:32 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:22:32 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <55E0180F-21AD-4C60-9108-78F33C66F784@bnj.com> Diff Duffers! I like that, nice alliteration. All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. On Mar 28, 2009, at 7:15 AM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Fellow Diff Duffersb& > As popular as the Ford 9 inch rear is with the hot rodders, I recall > that Hot > Rod magazine (or some such notable tome) tested a 9 inch and found > it required > about twenty five (25) HP to keep movin back there. No idea what a > TR unit > takes, but Ibm guessin it will be less! I donbt have weights > either, but > guess that the Ford unit is just a bmiteb heftier there too. > > All Geared up In Nor Calb& > Nick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 28 11:25:38 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. From dave at microworks.net Sat Mar 28 11:26:19 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:26:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> Message-ID: <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> The speed may actually have more to do with the teams that started developing their 09 cars sooner are ahead of last years front running teams in the current development cycle rather then just the diffuser issue. This seems plausible if you look at the qualifying weight of the cars - now that the teams have to reveal how much fuel they have on board. Button has enough fuel to go 22 laps while Massa can only go as far as 18 laps. Kubica in the BMW will be stopping on lap 17 http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=45376 At 09:50 AM 3/28/2009, you wrote: >I don't think it is a matter of enforcing the spirit if the rules as much as >further defining them so that everyone is operating from the same page. > >I doubt any team would be opposed to using more downforce so if it is deemed >that the cars using the larger diffusers are indeed legal, I am betting you >will see the rest of the field with similar designs at the next race >following the FIA's decision. > >There was some confusing information that was disseminated last year when >all that wording came about and it would appear that none of the three teams >that are using the larger diffusers were present when this topic was >discussed in detail. So if "ignorance is bliss" applies in this case, they >might get away with it when all is said and done. > >Regardless, it makes for some amusing and exciting scenarios as it plays >out. > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:39 AM >To: Joe Curry >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > >If you are going to enforce "spirit of the rules" and not the letter of the >regulation then what is point of printing the rules? > >You cannot enforce spirit of anything. Those having the different diffusers >were not present for the meetings for establishment of the regulations which > >were written. That is written, not just talked about nor spirit related. >They, the three teams, on their own, in their inspection of the WRITTEN >regulations determined that a certain manner of modification to the area was > >possible. When three independent companies who are not in commerce with >each other, develop this same point of the regulations, then the regulation > >must be open to that interpretation. Others should just follow and shut up >as they missed the opening. Write a more precise regulation next year. > >After you have been proven guilty of an infraction of the regulations, then >perhaps spirit can be brought into the conversation when determining the >penalty for this infraction. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 11:33:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] engine assembly web page In-Reply-To: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> References: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090328183215.04F2F18766D@autox.team.net> Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit lower oil level. I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. - Tony At 10:00 AM 3/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Tony, > >Thanks for taking the time to publish these pics. I am just about to >doctor my oil pan. Noticed that you went top to bottom with the >baffle for the length of the opening on one side. I understood the >comp manual says it should float 3/8" (I think) from the bottom. >Have you run this design? I like the idea. Also I am guessing there >is no need for a baffle on the other side or across the pan for hard >braking? A COTS pan (commercial off the shelf) for my mustang boxed >the pickup with trap doors which is why I was curious - overkill??? > >On the front of the pan where second peice is welded to the primary >peice, I eyeball the float off the bottom of the pan to be ~1/2"? > >Thanks again for the pics!!! > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 28 12:21:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB7DE9313DB7B7-CDC-369E@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> find a guy who specializes in building stock car chassis.? these guys are wizards in tube forming and welding...usually -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap To: FOT Sent: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 7:48 am Subject: [Fot] Tube bending AMICI - I am getting ready to build a cage for my current project - 1 1/2" mild steel. Can anyone recommend a tubing bender? Type, Mfg., Source. Thanks Dennis Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com From REK46 at aol.com Sat Mar 28 12:26:34 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:26:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tube bending Message-ID: where are you located? ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecred itreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3Dfebemailf ooterNO62) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 12:57:40 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:57:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: May well be, but the KERS issue has a lot to do with it as well. The Brawn cars are not running KERS this year and will have to do so next year. Ferrari is running the technology on both cars. Since there are a lot of issues with weight distribution when using that technology, it can cause some tradeoffs to achieving optimum results. Ferrari spent a lot of their development time on KERS while Brawn spent all their time on aerodynamic development. I wonder whether Brawn would be as fast at this time if KERS has been mandated for this season. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:26 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice The speed may actually have more to do with the teams that started developing their 09 cars sooner are ahead of last years front running teams in the current development cycle rather then just the diffuser issue. This seems plausible if you look at the qualifying weight of the cars - now that the teams have to reveal how much fuel they have on board. Button has enough fuel to go 22 laps while Massa can only go as far as 18 laps. Kubica in the BMW will be stopping on lap 17 http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=45376 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Mar 28 13:00:29 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: <49CE3B98.7070406@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <49CE73CD.7090501@twcny.rr.com> Tony Drews wrote: > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > lower oil level. > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > - Tony > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of the hole in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left turn side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on a hard left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to picture oil moving very quickly. So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or two steps to keep it close to the pickup. The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the bottom just before the 1/" relief. At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the bottom 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to consumption or away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and on it hard? Am I overthinking this??? M From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 13:03:51 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:03:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... Message-ID: My baffling did use trap doors to keep oil around the pickup. Fill your pan to a couple inches below static level with water and walk around with it for a bit. Run it low because you'll not have normal level when running, a lot of it will be up in the engine. Rolling the pan around will give you some idea what the oil is doing on track. In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: Tony Drews wrote: > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 if I > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the baffle. I > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a while. > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > lower oil level. > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It ended > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the pan > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > - Tony > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of the hole in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left turn side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on a hard left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to picture oil moving very quickly. So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or two steps to keep it close to the pickup. The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the bottom just before the 1/" relief. At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the bottom 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to consumption or away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and on it hard? Am I overthinking this??? M Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 28 13:05:14 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] An errant washer Message-ID: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> My drive-to-work, everyday car is a disreputably kept 1971 Porsche 911 T showing 329,000 miles on the odometer. The paint scheme is determined by a collection of junkyard replacements garnered by the 30+ years of utility driving. The rust is honestly earned and the myriad colors determined by natural selection. Mechanically the car is kept to reasonably high standards. Through the years the running gear has gradually been transformed into something of a sub- "S" model. Last week I spent an evening converting the air cleaners on the Weber's to a later design. This is a flat-six engine with a 3 barrel down-draft carburetor on each side. In the course of that operation a small washer fell down one of the throats of the left-hand carburetor. The throttle was closed so it didn't fall all the way through. After trying to rescue the washer with one of those magnets on a slide-shaft, I gave up. The magnet head couldn't get past the flow dividers that direct the intake swirl. There was nothing to do but pull the carburetor off and turn it upside down and shake the washer out. However whilst unclipping the throttle linkage, I accidentally opened the butterfly and, Opps, the washer dropped through the intake manifold. With the carb out of the way I could barely see the edge of the washer where it had lodged half way into the open intake valve. With the first touch of the magnet-on-a-stick inside the head, the little bugger fell into the combustion chamber! This had definitely gotten out of hand. Years ago I learned in a casino, if your luck is running sour, leave the table. So I closed the shop for the night. The next day I told my friend, Neil Estes, about my plight. His response was, "Don't worry about it, I'll get it out." In light of my anxiety, his cockiness was somewhat offensive. In any event he turned up at my shop that evening with a stainless steel wire epoxied to a small magnet out of one of those cheap little screwdrivers with a shirt pocket clip. In less than 90 seconds, at the cost of a steak dinner, he fished the errant washer out of the combustion chamber! It and the magnet now hang proudly in my shop. There's an old saw, "smart's good, luck's better." But better yet is a smart, lucky friend. Richard L. Taylor From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 13:12:08 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Very good point Joe, but with the back and forth issue of the FIA on several other points may mean that they back out of KERS also. It could happen. Interesting, and to make that point further is the crew must wait until the electronics experts discharge the car before they can work on it. How about on a quick repair in the pit lane during the race.................dum dee dum dum, or even a crash and medical team exposure to the effects. They have advocated making the minimum weight higher and that would be good for next year but better in my mind is to stop allowing the moveable boggy weight to be used. Constant weight and assigned by wheelbase dimension center point by regulation. Fixed. The smaller teams will have a hell'va time with the KERS as that will mean more people to take care of that one item. EXPENSE. Any change always incurs additional expense. You want to make racing cheaper? EASY, stop changing the rules. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 13:17:21 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:17:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Kas, I expect that KERS came about solely with the intent to make F1 appear politically correct. Since being "GREEN" is in favor around the world in these times, having some technology aimed in that direction is deemed to be a good thing in the eyes of the powers that govern F1. And it is definitely expensive so it flies in the face of the other things they are trying to accomplish. Sorta makes one say, "HMMMMM"!!! Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:12 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice Very good point Joe, but with the back and forth issue of the FIA on several other points may mean that they back out of KERS also. It could happen. Interesting, and to make that point further is the crew must wait until the electronics experts discharge the car before they can work on it. How about on a quick repair in the pit lane during the race.................dum dee dum dum, or even a crash and medical team exposure to the effects. They have advocated making the minimum weight higher and that would be good for next year but better in my mind is to stop allowing the moveable boggy weight to be used. Constant weight and assigned by wheelbase dimension center point by regulation. Fixed. The smaller teams will have a hell'va time with the KERS as that will mean more people to take care of that one item. EXPENSE. Any change always incurs additional expense. You want to make racing cheaper? EASY, stop changing the rules. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 13:17:28 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:17:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An errant washer In-Reply-To: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: Having a similar problem at the race track just before grid time I used a glob of wheel bearing grease on the screwdriver to get the devil out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: [Fot] An errant washer > My drive-to-work, everyday car is a disreputably kept 1971 Porsche 911 T > showing 329,000 miles on the odometer. The paint scheme is determined by a > collection of junkyard replacements garnered by the 30+ years of utility > driving. The rust is honestly earned and the myriad colors determined by > natural selection. > > > > Mechanically the car is kept to reasonably high standards. Through the > years > the running gear has gradually been transformed into something of a sub- > "S" > model. > > > > Last week I spent an evening converting the air cleaners on the Weber's to > a > later design. This is a flat-six engine with a 3 barrel down-draft > carburetor on each side. In the course of that operation a small washer > fell down one of the throats of the left-hand carburetor. The throttle was > closed so it didn't fall all the way through. After trying to rescue the > washer with one of those magnets on a slide-shaft, I gave up. The magnet > head couldn't get past the flow dividers that direct the intake swirl. > There > was nothing to do but pull the carburetor off and turn it upside down and > shake the washer out. > > > > However whilst unclipping the throttle linkage, I accidentally opened the > butterfly and, Opps, the washer dropped through the intake manifold. With > the carb out of the way I could barely see the edge of the washer where it > had lodged half way into the open intake valve. With the first touch of > the > magnet-on-a-stick inside the head, the little bugger fell into the > combustion chamber! This had definitely gotten out of hand. Years ago I > learned in a casino, if your luck is running sour, leave the table. So I > closed the shop for the night. > > > > The next day I told my friend, Neil Estes, about my plight. His response > was, "Don't worry about it, I'll get it out." In light of my anxiety, his > cockiness was somewhat offensive. In any event he turned up at my shop > that > evening with a stainless steel wire epoxied to a small magnet out of one > of > those cheap little screwdrivers with a shirt pocket clip. In less than 90 > seconds, at the cost of a steak dinner, he fished the errant washer out of > the combustion chamber! It and the magnet now hang proudly in my shop. > > > > There's an old saw, "smart's good, luck's better." But better yet is a > smart, lucky friend. > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 28 14:49:09 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:49:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: The whole KERS thing is a fiasco of the highest order. Would anyone really believe that an F1 car is "green"? If placating the European green political sensibilities is that important, they should just mandate diesel engines and get on with it. Or better yet, go to much smaller displacement engines and kill two birds with one stone. A 1.5 litre naturally aspirated formula would give the impression of "downsizing" for the environment, and would without doubt slow the cars down without all the aero tom-foolery we are seeing in the current formula. I miss real F1 already. Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 14:49:14 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:49:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <55E0180F-21AD-4C60-9108-78F33C66F784@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the > transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree > direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. > Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : 1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only lose 5 hp in the diff. 2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, trans, diff to full synthetic. I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The smaller Ford might not be that much worse. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 15:15:20 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here > in the fifties. Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the ends, so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust system was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:41:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:42:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: <98A7F06B65B94D70891F97D13318A35F@Bud> killing 2 birds with a stone is not green(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Joe Curry" ; "Kas Kastner" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice > The whole KERS thing is a fiasco of the highest order. > > Would anyone really believe that an F1 car is "green"? > > If placating the European green political sensibilities is that important, > they should just mandate diesel engines and get on with it. > > Or better yet, go to much smaller displacement engines and kill two birds > with > one stone. A 1.5 litre naturally aspirated formula would give the > impression > of "downsizing" for the environment, and would without doubt slow the cars > down without all the aero tom-foolery we are seeing in the current > formula. > > I miss real F1 already. > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 15:42:52 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:42:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 15:49:52 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: Message-ID: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Mar 28 15:52:06 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:52:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: That's how I remember it too... In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:50:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: _Gt6steve at aol.com_ (mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com) To: _budscars at comcast.net_ (mailto:budscars at comcast.net) ; _tr3driver at ca.rr.com_ (mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com) Cc: _fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _budscars at comcast.net_ (mailto:budscars at comcast.net) writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" <_tr3driver at ca.rr.com_ (mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com) > Cc: <_fot at autox.team.net_ (mailto:fot at autox.team.net) > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________ Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? _Make dinner for $10 or less_ (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) . **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 15:55:12 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:55:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> Message-ID: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" Lakes pipes Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that lakes was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other cool custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean custom look Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I thought Lake was a manufacturer? In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked in the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes pipe"...... How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> in the fifties. > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > ends, > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > system > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat Mar 28 15:59:33 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:59:33 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: Stove pipes .... great ! where can I get em !!! ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" > > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for > decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM > To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that > lakes > was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they were > like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other > cool > custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean > custom look > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gt6steve at aol.com > To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > > I thought Lake was a manufacturer? > > > In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked > in > the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes > pipe"...... > How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? > Racer Bud > Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > > >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here > >> in the fifties. > > > > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the > > ends, > > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust > > system > > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. > > > > Randall > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > - > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 28 16:00:15 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:00:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090328211519.UQAT532.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <48C78FC0FFE04FD792CF68DDC7AAE79A@richardiipc> I'm with you, Randall. And the "lake" was the Bonneville Salt Lake Flats for top speed runs. The actual caps on the pipe were called Lake Plugs. I think the idea was that you drove to the Salt Lake Flats, removed the blanking plates, ran your wheels off, then capped off your lake pipes and drove home. Richard Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on the ends, so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust system was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:06:11 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:06:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Still another opinion was in this link: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/51874 Question: What are "lake pipes" in the lyric, "And she purrs like a kitten 'till the lake pipes roar" in the song Little Deuce Coupe by The Beach Boys? Answer: Lake Pipes are (or were) an aftermarket chrome exterior exhaust system made by Lake maufacturing in the 50's and 60's. Commonly called "Side Pipes" Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM To: 'RACER BUD'; Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" Lakes pipes Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:06:53 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <6CDAF96FA92440A2953B08CD7449F62E@Bud> that will look really cool....If we can find just 1 old photo of a Triumph racing with a tall smokestack..we can all start running with them Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: "Joe Curry" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Stove pipes .... great ! where can I get em !!! ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Curry" > To: "'RACER BUD'" ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" >> >> Lakes pipes >> Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for >> decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:50 PM >> To: Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> I think it's Lakes(with the s)....we called them lakes...I believe that >> lakes >> was a manufacturer..and the plate on the end said lake or lakes..they >> were >> like a 'cut out exhaust'..By the way OLD GUYS RULE(:>)...there were other >> cool >> custom items for the TR3..like the VISTA GRILL..all tubular..realy clean >> custom look >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gt6steve at aol.com >> To: budscars at comcast.net ; tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >> I thought Lake was a manufacturer? >> >> >> In a message dated 3/28/2009 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> budscars at comcast.net writes: >> lakes pipes..i remember those....Hot date on a saturday night...parked >> in >> the hills..."don't open the door, you may get burned by the lakes >> pipe"...... >> How about the 'Johnson Rod'...anyone remember those? >> Racer Bud >> Spitfire #21 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >> >> Do they still call those 'Lake Pipes'? They did around here >> >> in the fifties. >> > >> > Hmm, I thought "lake pipes" were the ones with blanking plates on >> the >> > ends, >> > so they could be blocked off for normal driving. The normal exhaust >> > system >> > was left connected so you were legal until you got to the lake. >> > >> > Randall >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> - >> Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:08:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Still another opinion was in this link: > > http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/51874 > > > Question: > What are "lake pipes" in the lyric, "And she purrs like a kitten 'till > the > lake pipes roar" in the song Little Deuce Coupe by The Beach Boys? > > Answer: > Lake Pipes are (or were) an aftermarket chrome exterior exhaust system > made by Lake maufacturing in the 50's and 60's. Commonly called "Side > Pipes" > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Curry > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:55 PM > To: 'RACER BUD'; Gt6steve at aol.com; tr3driver at ca.rr.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > This from the "Dictionary of Automorive Terms" > > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes attached along the lower sides of a vehicle for > decorative purposes only. Also called lake pipes or lakers > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Mar 28 16:10:44 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:10:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. I vote total restoration! ----- Original Message ----- From: steve Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: FOT > Hold onto your socks! > > EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 > > > > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:12:31 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:12:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud> <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <1D2FA78DB2B9422F9463898734F094C2@joepentiumnew> Here is what Wikipedia has to say: Lake pipes Also known as side pipes, lake pipes are exhaust pipes, normally brightly chromed, which exit the front wheel arch of a car and then pass down the sill/rocker panel, finally opening sideways in front of the rear wheel. They are sometimes seen on custom cars and hot rods. Cars in series production which are equipped with sidepipes include the Dodge Viper and the Mercedes SLR McLaren, last one having sidepipes which end behind the front wheels. Joe C. From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:13:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <40CF29B684D54096940658F6AB851286@Bud> sounds pretty much like a straight pipe race car... RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer > driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? > > Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. > > I vote total restoration! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: FOT > >> Hold onto your socks! >> >> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:14:11 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:14:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <5A4B1E0E06A84351A569F6A18AD0CE27@joepentiumnew> This is a family Forum! :) -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:08 PM To: Joe Curry; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:15:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:15:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <4544BB7E23C54C5682712FD21EA5393C@Bud><7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <813CE33DB4CB4A6CB8419528AA59319E@joepentiumnew> <5A4B1E0E06A84351A569F6A18AD0CE27@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: that's not what it is Joe.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > This is a family Forum! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:08 PM > To: Joe Curry; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > I've received no answers to the Johnson Rod question..do you guys give up/ > Racer Bud From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat Mar 28 16:17:00 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:17:00 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer > driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? > > Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. > > I vote total restoration! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: FOT > >> Hold onto your socks! >> >> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From niteseeker at aol.com Sat Mar 28 16:20:22 2009 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <8EBFBCAF-2A60-4A1F-9295-B20473347E79@aol.com> If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had the on his race car. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 16:20:27 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090328231943.A285E187673@autox.team.net> From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:25:03 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:25:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "TR4Tony" To: ; "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out ..... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "steve" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer >> driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? >> >> Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. >> >> I vote total restoration! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: steve >> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> To: FOT >> >>> Hold onto your socks! >>> >>> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ~Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Mar 28 16:25:55 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:25:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: And now...something completely different: I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? Is there a reason for this? Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very short compact tails. Any idea? Cheers Chris From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:26:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: this is definetely a fun and Motley Crew! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "TR4Tony" ; ; "steve" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date > taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you > kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S > DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later > on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT > IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TR4Tony" > To: ; "steve" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Cosmic alloys ...... super mega rare in 15inch ....... Thats far out >> ..... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "steve" >> Cc: "FOT" >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >>> Ok. I'm no expert, BUT wouldn't that car sound more like a bronx cheer >>> driving past you than a tuned sports car with side pipes? >>> >>> Quilted trunk liner. . . . nice. >>> >>> I vote total restoration! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: steve >>> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:29 pm >>> Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >>> To: FOT >>> >>>> Hold onto your socks! >>>> >>>> EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270364841820 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~Steve >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 16:27:39 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:27:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: Sounds pretty close to what I was thinking! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM To: TR4Tony; alfetta95 at optonline.net; steve Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY RB From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:29:32 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:29:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2AB4A5DCBBB84CEBAF8392C4B0411ED7@Bud> Message-ID: <562008E221114A6DBD16ED100472D1AB@Bud> that's probably the 'New Improved Johnson Rod RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'TR4Tony'" ; ; "'steve'" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Sounds pretty close to what I was thinking! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:25 PM > To: TR4Tony; alfetta95 at optonline.net; steve > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > Ok..here it is.. .a JOHNSON ROD was an imaginary car part...When on a date > taking a nice evening drive through the countryside....the engine dies(you > kill it on purpose).....Then you say to your girlfriend "OH NO..MY CAR'S > DROPPED A JOHNSON ROD...there you are parked in a scenic spot...later > on..you pop open the hood...bang a wrench around a bit...and say...GOT > IT...GLAD WE DIDN'T LOSE IT COMPLETELY > RB From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 16:33:53 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? Say it's not true! Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 16:37:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <57D6E400BC3C49A483B38F48C4C6691C@Bud> didn't the Chevy Nomad station wagon come stock with functional Lakes? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Lakes pipes >> Nonfunctional side pipes > > You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? > > Say it's not true! > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Sat Mar 28 17:08:17 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:08:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior Message-ID: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I always thought lake pipes were capped low restriction pipes that bypassed the restrictive mufflers and were uncapped when you went out to a performance event at a dry lake, such as Murroc. Bill On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 "Randall" writes: > > Lakes pipes > > Nonfunctional side pipes > > You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? > > Say it's not true! > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ Our detailing supplies really shine. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNlxJ5jyjFIbIDol4diGdQb6SS8k9zHN8RlndPCYOL8hdZemVN0IY/ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 17:12:45 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <7134C5A392CD4CC2B637DE042F8510DF@joepentiumnew> <20090328223353.KZCN9582.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <3B634E2C1D3D4713966A219FDAF09C49@joepentiumnew> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was the Beach Boys who got it wrong. Jan and Dean just repeated the error. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:34 PM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Lakes pipes > Nonfunctional side pipes You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? Say it's not true! Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 18:19:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:19:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LOOKING FOR VINTAGE TRIUMPH TRADE Message-ID: Hi gang..I would like to trade my 1965 Honda 305 Scrambler..calif. black plate currently registered and insured for a small vintage driver street car(pre-1976 & registered preferrred)..or a small vintage race car..I paid about 3300-3400 for the bike about 2+ years ago..very nice bike..probably needs valve guide because it smokes when first started after it has been sitting for a while..runs and looks very good...let me know if you'd like a photo Weird cars Ok with me! Racer Bud..sonoma, ca. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 19:10:41 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes In-Reply-To: <8EBFBCAF-2A60-4A1F-9295-B20473347E79@aol.com> Message-ID: <267776.29100.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but still loud. The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided restriction where you did not want it. Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result of a designed, tuned exhaust .... Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's .... All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... jm2cw Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: From: dick ross Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: "triumph club club" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had the on his race car. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:26:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes References: <267776.29100.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <88CD87E8DE33428CAC1344B9855E25D0@Bud> were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had > lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran > them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, > but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, > pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily > opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or > 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate > type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of > them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the > result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we > mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the > 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many > show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange > had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 19:37:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! great old days Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >I always thought lake pipes were capped low restriction pipes that > bypassed the restrictive mufflers and were uncapped when you went out to > a performance event at a dry lake, such as Murroc. > Bill > > On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:33:53 -0700 "Randall" > writes: >> > Lakes pipes >> > Nonfunctional side pipes >> >> You mean Jan & Dean got it wrong? Lake pipes never "roar"? >> >> Say it's not true! >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Our detailing supplies really shine. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNlxJ5jyjFIbIDol4diGdQb6SS8k9zHN8RlndPCYOL8hdZemVN0IY/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 28 20:08:06 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <3B634E2C1D3D4713966A219FDAF09C49@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was > the Beach Boys who got it wrong. Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their "Surf City" album in 1964. Randall From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Mar 28 20:09:49 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: References: <20090328.170818.3740.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> My first TR was a TR4A that I restored when I was 15... in 1977. (Funny to think that a 10 year old car needed a total restoration!) Long story short.... I set up that engine nearly full race.... and as a teen... I used to street race any car that I could find willing to give it a shot... Yes, I would smoke 289 Mustangs and leave them in the dust. I pretty much beat just about anything I raced. I recall racing a Corvette.... and we were neck and neck between lights and he never could pull ahead. He yelled through his window, "What the hell have you got under that hood?" I'd smile and said, "stock". (Okay, so it wasn't really stock, but it was the original motor!) They just didn't expect it from a little wire-wheeled TR! My favorite street race was with a Sunbeam Tiger. At first, I couldn't get this old guy to go for it... (LOL, that "old guy" was probably about as old as I am now!) I kept revving my motor and taunting him between lights, but he just wouldn't race. Finally, after about 3 lights... he knodded his okay... and we watched the cross-lights.... green-amber-red-GOOOOO!!!! I dropped the clutch and catapulted off the line. We were neck to neck! I chirped it into second....chirped into third... and before I knew it, bam I was in fourth.... YES... we're talking well over 100.... and I looked over... and he was right next to me... I thought I had him at a tie.... but then... I heard it.... He still had another gear.... So he pulled ahead of me, but we ran out of runway and stopped at the next light. You could see he was exhilarated. And he was also impressed that my little four-banger had matched his V8. He just beat me at the top end.. There's a lot more stories like that, but then I'd have to worry about indictments being handed down. --Justin RACER BUD wrote: > Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San > Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self > done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' > suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a > race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who > knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between > signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift > the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so > fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! > great old days > Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:10:46 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <5FF4B7BB898841D89AB0DAD17235EFFB@Bud> OK RANDALL..now you've done it...I'm switching my vinyl from Mozart to BEACH BOYS. LDC..right now Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. > > Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by > Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. > > But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" > Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their > "Surf City" album in 1964. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:13:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. > > Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made by > Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. > > But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" > Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their > "Surf City" album in 1964. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 28 20:20:18 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> Message-ID: <549F5ADC45124F02AADB621EEAA0A29D@KasPC> Dry LAKE beds (Mojave desert) used for high speed runs and you had a neat plate you could remove and make it a straight through exhaust system. Easy to use and LOUD. When you had the money you went to Bonneville and tried the Salt flats. But up there no one cared how loud it was. (no people for twenty miles) Early 50's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! > RB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >>> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >>> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. >> >> Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made >> by >> Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the lyrics. >> >> But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with "Jan" >> Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their >> "Surf City" album in 1964. >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:36:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior References: <20090329020806.PBKV17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> <47EC150B0A4645BDBD7A607CF08C8CF0@Bud> <549F5ADC45124F02AADB621EEAA0A29D@KasPC> Message-ID: <31731DDC743542E4B99EF528E33A66EC@Bud> I know there's a Dry Lakes vintage speed group in Ca...I don't recall the name of it? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > Dry LAKE beds (Mojave desert) used for high speed runs and you had a neat > plate you could remove and make it a straight through exhaust system. Easy > to use and LOUD. When you had the money you went to Bonneville and tried > the Salt flats. But up there no one cared how loud it was. (no people for > twenty miles) Early 50's. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Randall" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > > >> Ok BABY...I'm listening right now to Little Duece coupe! Woohoo! >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior >> >> >>>> Actually, (if you believe what that definition said) it was >>>> the Beach Boys who got it wrong. >>> >>> Well, technically I suppose you could say the original mistake was made >>> by >>> Roger Christian (a local DJ according to Wikipedia) who wrote the >>> lyrics. >>> >>> But Brian Wilson (who wrote the music) frequently collaborated with >>> "Jan" >>> Berry of Jan & Dean; and I prefer the version that J&D released on their >>> "Surf City" album in 1964. >>> >>> Randall >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 20:43:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SCTA Home Page Message-ID: <90BC37010C134A1E92A4D72170E8B0D8@Bud> this is the link. to the vintage speed stuff..SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TIMING ASSOCIATION http://www.scta-bni.org/ Racer Bud P.S. ..there's a vintage Austin Healey Bonneville car being restored to RACE as I speak From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 21:12:28 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes In-Reply-To: <88CD87E8DE33428CAC1344B9855E25D0@Bud> Message-ID: <391604.3420.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> street racing??? Denver ... when I was going to school ... the pic??? I think that one was taken at Grattan some time ago .. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, "triumph club club" , "dick ross" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:26 PM were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 28 21:15:38 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> isnt it amazing that we all survived our own "kidhood"??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Justin Wagner wrote: From: Justin Wagner Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior To: "RACER BUD" Cc: fot at autox.team.net, tr3driver at ca.rr.com Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:09 PM My first TR was a TR4A that I restored when I was 15... in 1977. (Funny to think that a 10 year old car needed a total restoration!) Long story short.... I set up that engine nearly full race.... and as a teen... I used to street race any car that I could find willing to give it a shot... Yes, I would smoke 289 Mustangs and leave them in the dust. I pretty much beat just about anything I raced. I recall racing a Corvette.... and we were neck and neck between lights and he never could pull ahead. He yelled through his window, "What the hell have you got under that hood?" I'd smile and said, "stock". (Okay, so it wasn't really stock, but it was the original motor!) They just didn't expect it from a little wire-wheeled TR! My favorite street race was with a Sunbeam Tiger. At first, I couldn't get this old guy to go for it... (LOL, that "old guy" was probably about as old as I am now!) I kept revving my motor and taunting him between lights, but he just wouldn't race. Finally, after about 3 lights... he knodded his okay... and we watched the cross-lights.... green-amber-red-GOOOOO!!!! I dropped the clutch and catapulted off the line. We were neck to neck! I chirped it into second....chirped into third... and before I knew it, bam I was in fourth.... YES... we're talking well over 100.... and I looked over... and he was right next to me... I thought I had him at a tie.... but then... I heard it.... He still had another gear.... So he pulled ahead of me, but we ran out of runway and stopped at the next light. You could see he was exhilarated. And he was also impressed that my little four-banger had matched his V8. He just beat me at the top end.. There's a lot more stories like that, but then I'd have to worry about indictments being handed down. --Justin RACER BUD wrote: > Street racing..now it's coming back...1966...I had a 1962 TR4...San Francisco Bay Area...East Bay...the car was stock except for a self done valve grind and de-arched leaf springs(ala Steve Froines' suggestion as 'The first thing to do to a TR4 to begin making it a race car)...Late nights in the city of Oakland....coming home from who knows what party ...I could blow off 289 Mustangs between signals..probably up to about 50+ mph...there were/are 2 ways to shift the old Tr4s with the stock box...pause in between gears..OR shift so fast that it just blasted right in..WHAM, WHAM, WHAM!! > great old days > Racer Bud Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 21:33:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes References: <391604.3420.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1BA8756E8F6C44B09948538E0E1582F0@Bud> Does the name RON CHISHOLM ring a bell? Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: triumph club club ; dick ross ; RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes street racing??? Denver ... when I was going to school ... the pic??? I think that one was taken at Grattan some time ago .. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Sat, 3/28/09, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes To: tstrange at sbcglobal.net, "triumph club club" , "dick ross" Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:26 PM were was that Tom? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom strange" To: "triumph club club" ; "dick ross" Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Interior now lakes pipes > Okay, > Since I got drug into this ... street racing in the 60's some cars had lakes > pipes, most functional, and most of them hot rods. T-bucket types ran them as > exhaust, open and mufflers installed inside them to keep the cops at bay, but > still loud. > The ones of us that ran $100 a gear 1/4 mile runs on the back roads, pretty > much did not want to draw that much attention so we simply had easily opened > (& illegal) cutouts behind the front wheels that could be opened with 3 or 4 > small bolts. The cutouts sold with a remote control and a throttle plate type > setup, were not desirable, as they were not dependable and provided > restriction where you did not want it. > > Now for my car ... not Lakes pipes ... for one, there is only one of them > ... when I get a V8 in a spit, you will see 2 of them ... Its fully > functional and the end pipe required by regs to exit exhaust behind the > driver. It points exhaust down and away from sound meters, and is the result > of a designed, tuned exhaust .... > Lakes pipes rarely ever fell into the tuned exhaust catagory, as we mostly > just wanted to look and sound good with the cars we ran them on in the 60's > .... > > All that said, they were "cool" on the right cars .... non-functional and > "stupid" on the wrong cars .... and very "Bid Daddy Roth ish" on many show > cars that didnt have to go anywhere ... > > jm2cw > > > Bottom line ... I dont consider my exhaust to be a Lakes pipe .. :>) > > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, dick ross wrote: > > From: dick ross > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior > To: "triumph club club" > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:20 PM > > If you go to the FOT site and look at Spitfires you will see Tom Strange had > the > on his race car. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 28 21:42:40 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> Message-ID: <20090329044154.5A740187678@autox.team.net> It's rear downforce for them. Those are basically old Nascar cars from the prior spec. They are particular in inspection about how far they can have the rear spoiler stick up in the air as a larger spoiler or larger angle gives them an unfair advantage. If you look at the bodies closely, they've done some interesting things. The front of the car isn't symmetrical so they can get more front downforce. - Tony At 05:25 PM 3/28/2009, MadMarx wrote: >And now...something completely different: > >I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. >I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? >Is there a reason for this? >Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very >short compact tails. > >Any idea? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sat Mar 28 23:13:02 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:13:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior In-Reply-To: <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49CED86D.6020200@greenheart.com> <441966.27535.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F080F74DF1347B781112B339F5E1054@joepentiumnew> Speak for yourself, Tom. I am still struggling to get my "kidhood" behind me. Joe C. BTW, were you ever able to use that head I sent to you about 10 or 12 years ago? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom strange Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:16 PM To: RACER BUD; Justin Wagner Cc: tr3driver at ca.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice TR3 Interior isnt it amazing that we all survived our own "kidhood"??? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:14:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:14:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A different view from Europe: As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track surfaces are too rough and bumpy in USA? Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race the other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will break after a while. In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:19:41 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:19:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Tube bending In-Reply-To: <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> References: <615095.2010.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49CE5D92.1040309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I've done my cage by myself, but did do the bending by professional. It cost me $50 to get the bended tubes and this was normal price and no discount. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis Gesendet: Samstag, 28. Mdrz 2009 18:26 An: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tube bending We've had this discussion before, I recall. Go to http://www.team.net/archive and search for 'tubing bender' I was thinking of buying one last year, I'll see if I can find the notes I made about it. mjb. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:33:09 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:33:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Question: Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? Situation: Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the engine run again? Cheers Chris From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 29 02:40:28 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:40:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew> <6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC> <99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew> <36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC> <20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net> <206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: <20090329094137.298B118766D@autox.team.net> Discussion on that topic on these sites. http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6460&start=0 http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131631&page=2 Great result for Jensen and the Brawn team. Also Ruben fighting back from his near stall. Can't believe how impatient Kubica was. He had Vettel easy. No need to do what he did. At 01:33 AM 3/29/2009, MadMarx wrote: >Question: > >Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? >Situation: >Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the >engine run again? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 02:44:56 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARCA cars In-Reply-To: <49ceee43.8953f10a.4dd9.ffff9c86SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <2DBC1549383C4AC392CC44CE171E1F90@richardiipc> <49ceee43.8953f10a.4dd9.ffff9c86SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Right, the front is looking like deformed and wheels seems to have different camber. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 05:43 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARCA cars It's rear downforce for them. Those are basically old Nascar cars from the prior spec. They are particular in inspection about how far they can have the rear spoiler stick up in the air as a larger spoiler or larger angle gives them an unfair advantage. If you look at the bodies closely, they've done some interesting things. The front of the car isn't symmetrical so they can get more front downforce. - Tony At 05:25 PM 3/28/2009, MadMarx wrote: >And now...something completely different: > >I watched on Speed Channel the Arca cars. >I am wondering about why these cars have a high tail? >Is there a reason for this? >Never saw this before on race cars. Most touring cars in Europe have very >short compact tails. > >Any idea? > >Cheers >Chris >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 29 08:07:51 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:07:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil pan baffle design - help me think this through... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CF80B7.1020600@twcny.rr.com> Steve's idea is an absolutely great idea. I mocked up a few designs and if you forget the neighbors eyeballing you as you spin in the front yard with an oil pan spilling water everywhere, you immediately see what is going on. Its amazing, how quickly the pan evacuates in "left turns" with a static baffles I tried so far. I was able to see why an extra quart works in Tony's design. Use a cardboard template covered with packing tape to keep the water out for a little while. Then use duct tape to hold it to the pan - works very well. A mapp gas torch drys the pan quickly between design changes. Thanks to those that sent pics - I'll mock them up today. Thanks again, M Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > My baffling did use trap doors to keep oil around the pickup. Fill > your pan to a couple inches below static level with water and walk > around with it for a bit. Run it low because you'll not have normal > level when running, a lot of it will be up in the engine. > > Rolling the pan around will give you some idea what the oil is doing > on track. > > In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > markconsultation at twcny.rr.com writes: > > Tony Drews wrote: > > Mark, I've run this design for a few years (probably at least 5 > if I > > think about it) and don't have starvation issues due to the > baffle. I > > do still see oil pressure drop in the left hand corners if the > > engine's oil level is too low. Adding a quart fixes that for a > while. > > > > It's possible that a more elaborate design would let me run a bit > > lower oil level. > > > > I don't remember the exact gap, but 1/2" sounds about right. It > ended > > up this way because the car already had a portion of the baffle in > > there - we just added the piece that takes it full length of the > pan > > (and has the gap to the bottom). That's the 2nd piece you mention. > > > > - Tony > > > > > So I'm out there playing with cardboard and my oil pan and I says to > myself - If I put this baffle at an angle following the line of > the hole > in the top of the oil plan like Tony and the TR Comp manual did; > wouldn't it want to funnel the oil "down hill" (assuming hard left > turn > side forces) backwards away from the pickup to the 1/2" relief on > a hard > left corner? Thats a good ramp and with a 1/2 to 1g force its easy to > picture oil moving very quickly. > > So - would it be better to run the baffle parallel to the oil pan > instead of parallel to the pickup? I considered doing it in one or > two > steps to keep it close to the pickup. > > The second idea would be to construct it the way Tony did but put a > couple of 1/4 to 1/2 inch vertical baffles on the face to inhibit the > "down hill" flow back where the screen necks down a bit and at the > bottom just before the 1/" relief. > > At the end of the baffle where the welded on tab floats above the > bottom > 1/2", do you think oil is moving toward the pickup due to > consumption or > away from it due to side forces assuming you are past the apex and > on it > hard? > > Am I overthinking this??? > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less > . From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Mar 29 08:48:01 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] F1 practice In-Reply-To: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> References: <8868910.1238200176668.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><016961BC2FEC47E2920DC51AC6C94E96@joepentiumnew><6769E9A217344A14B37C06EA44BFD7C0@KasPC><99CE6DB0660F4BB5925B28ACE4D6A434@joepentiumnew><36DFD3F8EEA44CEF9BEEEE976E2B61BB@KasPC><20090328182554.744DF18767F@autox.team.net><206C976DA4AF45059148C180A0270CD2@KasPC> Message-ID: Hmmm, sort of like an old inertia starter for aircraft. It should work as it's calculated at 80bhp, but I imagine it has rather not much torque. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] F1 practice Question: Is Kers usable as a starter to the engine? Situation: Left the track, engine off - is Kers capable to move the car and make the engine run again? Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Mar 29 09:23:23 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >> All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >> transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >> direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >> Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. > > I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : > > 1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so > TRs > will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW > if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might > only > lose 5 hp in the diff. > > 2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot > Rod > also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting > engine, > trans, diff to full synthetic. > > I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. > The > smaller Ford might not be that much worse. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 29 10:21:15 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:21:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 10:46:20 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:46:20 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> <6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer> <20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I would use GL5 oil. The diffs are very stressed during racing, GL4 might come to its limits. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:21 An: BOB KRAMER Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 29 10:50:19 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <20090328204914.ENOH5830.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall><6E6510BC90D14F31804D5CE8A4F78A34@DadsComputer><20090329172030.BBAB918767A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <75058451585342E3A9F0860B264A3D5A@joepentiumnew> Doesn't GL-5 have sulfites in it? If so, that could cause damage to the brass parts in the diff. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:46 AM To: 'Tony Drews'; 'BOB KRAMER' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I would use GL5 oil. The diffs are very stressed during racing, GL4 might come to its limits. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:21 An: BOB KRAMER Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews At 10:23 AM 3/29/2009, BOB KRAMER wrote: >Does anyone know what synthetic lubricants work well in a TR Detroit >Locker? I've been using GL4 rather than take any chances. > >Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >>>All differentials take a lot of power. More even than the >>>transmission. Spiral gears (long tooth contact) 90 degree >>>direction conversion, planetary or LSD. It all sucks power. >>>Absent a significant design difference they'll be roughly the same. >> >>I agree. Two things possibly worth noting : >> >>1) the power wasted is roughly proportional to the power transmitted, so TRs >>will presumably lose a lot less absolute power than Hot Rod measured. IOW >>if they measured 25 hp lost behind a 500 hp V8; a TR with 100 hp might only >>lose 5 hp in the diff. >> >>2) A higher performance lubricant may help save some of that power. Hot Rod >>also found something like 7% more power at the wheels by converting engine, >>trans, diff to full synthetic. >> >>I don't have weights either, but the TR3-4 unit seems darn heavy to me. The >>smaller Ford might not be that much worse. >> >>Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 10:52:12 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:52:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >A different view from Europe: > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > surfaces > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > the > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > break after a while. > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 10:55:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:55:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Message-ID: Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Mar 29 10:59:09 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:59:09 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the Yoko A048 is more consistent. >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder than we do? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >A different view from Europe: > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > surfaces > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > the > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > break after a while. > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Sun Mar 29 11:07:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:07:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0653FD948943438DADEF5F6E7AC3F6F5@joepentiumnew> I think I saw that car on a Cable TV show recently detailing how it was built. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:56 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 29 11:28:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:28:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: <48AF1E19-B74C-4C8B-B07B-EF1DE6FF3727@bnj.com> I doubt that. there's a lot of variation in tracks as far as surface goes. Sebring is one of the worst. On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:59 AM, MadMarx wrote: >> From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they >> are a > little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance > the > Yoko A048 is more consistent. >> From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive >> harder > than we do? > > Chris > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 > An: MadMarx; 'FOT' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I > wonder if we > > run on stickier tires than you guys do? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > >> A different view from Europe: >> >> As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track >> surfaces >> are too rough and bumpy in USA? >> Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring >> race >> the >> other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our >> axles will >> break after a while. >> In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in >> good >> condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Mar 29 11:34:05 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:34:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sure would be fun being an apprentice with that guy. You could pick up a lot just by osmosis. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: March 29, 2009 12:56 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Fw: Silver Torpedo TR6 Check out this Triumph Gang..click the link Racer Bud http://www.flickr.com/photos/toadalfa/sets/72157615977126107/ It is an impressive handcrafted car I saw at the 2007 British Car meet in Palo Alto. Some of you may remember this one. Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 29 11:56:21 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:56:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR Gbox cases Message-ID: Amici, I've heard the latest cases were the strongest and should be used for building an important gearboxes. Where do the CC series boxes fit into this scheme? Suitable? Secondly, dioes anyone know about converting to Stag style thrust bearings instead of thrust washers? **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 29 12:53:06 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: <8CB7DDFFE377BEB-1464-2C3D@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> <6233C7EBCB154C1EB592D749B282ACC6@Bud> Message-ID: <20090329195222.17F9E187659@autox.team.net> I think part of the cause are the long sweeping high speed corners, especially the carousel at Road America. You are in the corner for many seconds at the limit of traction. Sebring is probably the worst from a smoothness standpoint, the corner between the back straight and the front straight is amazingly bumpy. Grattan is rough on the cars. IRP had some major bumps, although they smoothed out the left / right combination going into the hairpin. Some tracks would be FIA approved, some not, I suspect. - Tony At 11:59 AM 3/29/2009, MadMarx wrote: > >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a >little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the >Yoko A048 is more consistent. > >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder >than we do? > >Chris > > >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 >An: MadMarx; 'FOT' >Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > >Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we > >run on stickier tires than you guys do? >Racer Bud >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MadMarx" >To: "'FOT'" >Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs > > > >A different view from Europe: > > > > As we don't have much axles breakage here maybe some of your track > > surfaces > > are too rough and bumpy in USA? > > Maybe this is stressing the axles too much. When I saw the Sebring race > > the > > other day, how the cars are jumping around, I could imagine our axles will > > break after a while. > > In Europe most of the tracks have a smooth surface and are kept in good > > condition otherwise the FIA won't allow racing on. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Mar 29 17:57:21 2009 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:57:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR Diffs Message-ID: One of the TR Kas books gave a part number for the correct GM locker oil, and I used it for many years until they took the whale oil out of it, and I had my only two Detroit Locker failures in short order. The locker pieces need a cushion if you go all out with slicks; I highly recommend Redline shockproof, and saving your thin oil for other applications. Hardy From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: fot at autox.team.net I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, unlike our transmissions. - Tony Drews **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sun Mar 29 20:25:56 2009 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR Diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <451573775.1301461238379956072.JavaMail.root@sz0072a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I use Redline heavy shockproof in both the gearbox and diff.B No problems with either for 6 years now (knock on wood). as for sticky tyres...it depends on what series your run and the allowance, the vintage groups probably run the same types of tyres, DOT style hoosiers, avons or yoko's.B These are all a bit less sticky and also narrowerB than the Hoosier and Good Year Bias ply slicks used by the current SCCA racers. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 Southern Illinois Region SCCA ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:59:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >From what we did with testing the Hoosiers Speedster are that they are a little more sticky for a few laps but over the whole racing distance the Yoko A048 is more consistent. >From this point there isn't much difference. Maybe you guys drive harder than we do? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 2009 18:52 An: MadMarx; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs Sebring is an old airport course..notorious for being bumpy...I wonder if we run on stickier tires than you guys do? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Mar 29 20:57:43 2009 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Re: TR Diffs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36.76.13585.82530D94@smtp03.embarq.synacor.com> Hi Hardy, I'm a big fan of the redline shockproof oils. They are especially good in dog ring transmissions. I've used them in Hewland transmissions, BMW M/C trannys and rears, and Detroit lockers; all with good results. At 07:57 PM 3/29/2009, Catpusher at aol.com wrote: >One of the TR Kas books gave a part number for the correct GM locker oil, >and I used it for many years until they took the whale oil out of >it, and I had >my only two Detroit Locker failures in short order. The locker pieces need a >cushion if you go all out with slicks; I highly recommend Redline shockproof, >and saving your thin oil for other applications. > >Hardy > >From: Tony Drews >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR Diffs >To: "BOB KRAMER" >Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >I use Redline gear lube (75w90, I think) in my non-triumph rear axle >with a detroit locker. It hasn't caused problems. My understanding >is that the lockers aren't very particular about the type of oil, >unlike our transmissions. > >- Tony Drews > > >**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or >less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 29 21:22:30 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:22:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Looking for 1954 TR2 Message-ID: <49D03AF6.6000905@greenheart.com> Hello all.... I'm looking for a barn-find type long door TR2.... It should be the sort of old beater that's tired enough to bring the price to something less than $5K, but it's vital that it's a sun-belt TR.. low rust. The future of the car would be 1/2 donor for a current long door TR2 project, but a possible vintage racer for the core vehicle. So it would be a win-win. In the short term, it may yield some vital organs (misc. parts) for one car, and in the future, it would be brought back to life itself. So low price, low rust.... They're out there somewhere. I always seem to find them a few weeks after they were sold to someone else! : ) If you know of a vehicle like this, sitting around somewhere, please help me to make contact with the owner. --Justin From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Mar 30 01:29:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage Message-ID: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> In case anyone is interested, I documented the installation of my TR-4 drivetrain (which I performed over the last couple of weekends) here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_Installation.htm - Tony Drews From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 07:11:13 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. Curious, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Mon Mar 30 07:23:02 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs In-Reply-To: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB7F5023151F46-A7C-3AF@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390903300623r43986d1dj3ea048c9687d353e@mail.gmail.com> Depending on the source I've heard people complaining about the cast/material on some. http://crazyspitfire.blogspot.com/2008/12/crap-fest-2.html A. 2009/3/30 : > Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. > > Curious, > Bob T. > '64 Spit GT? autocrosser > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 30 07:41:38 2009 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:41:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs Message-ID: <9240880.1238420498362.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I have some great alloy hubs. They are made from 7071 billit aluminum and hard anodized. Ben using them for years with no problems. Pictures are at www.chequeredflagracing.net thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: robertten1 at aol.com >Sent: Mar 30, 2009 6:11 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ frt. hubs > > Speaking of alloy/aluminum front hubs, any pros and/or cons on the use of these?? Want to hear from the Spit & GT6 racers on this. > >Curious, >Bob T. >'64 Spit GT? autocrosser > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Mar 30 07:51:29 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:51:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage In-Reply-To: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> References: <20090330082820.7D6F1187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001a01c9b13e$a18f94c0$e4aebe40$@com> I notice that you didn't remove the steering rack clamps and tip the steering rack forward to get more clearance for the oil pan. We do this and it really helps. But, we have the finned aluminum oil pan that is deeper than the stock sheet metal one. Anyone with clearance problems at the front on installation should consider this. Simple to do. Only took me about 2 or 3 installations to get smart and do it!! Sometimes you just have to stop and think a little bit. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Engine installation webpage In case anyone is interested, I documented the installation of my TR-4 drivetrain (which I performed over the last couple of weekends) here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/2008-9_Rebuild-Engine_Installation.ht m - Tony Drews Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 30 10:37:33 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:37:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] TVM Intake Manifolds Needed TR4 Message-ID: List, I have an enquiry from the UK about the availability of TVM intake manifolds. Can anyone give me some information on this? Two sets are needed. Thanks, Joe A > Another question for you.......I am in need of additional Inlet manifolds, > preferably the 'TVM' made ones. Do you by chance have a souce for these > manifolds? I am looking for 2 sets, one set for my new engine and a spare set. From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Mar 30 10:57:15 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:57:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Good day at track Message-ID: <20090330175616.ECFF2187666@autox.team.net> Saturday, March 28, was a test and tune day at our local roadcourse in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I took out my 1970 Triumph TR6 racecar project for the first time to run in the engine and sort things out. On a scale of 1 to 10 I would give it a solid 9. Nothing broke or overheated and no big leaks. Need a couple of small adjustments and re-think a couple of choices but all-in-all I was very happy. For family and reasons I have had to take the past two racing seasons off (one reason was having been T-boned by a semi truck in 2006 while driving my 1974 street TR6) but I am looking forward to getting back into the thick of things. Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 45401 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02327.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02329.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02334.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02333.JPG] From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Mar 30 11:02:55 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TVM Intake Manifolds Needed TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > List, > > I have an enquiry from the UK about the availability of TVM intake manifolds. > Can anyone give me some information on this? Might that be "TWM"?? if so: http://www.twminduction.com/Catalogs/manifolds.html But it looks like they sold the manifolds business to Pierce Manifolds. http://piercemanifolds.com > Two sets are needed. > > Thanks, > > Joe A Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From REK46 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 12:53:07 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:53:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals Message-ID: Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:% 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62% 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 30 13:02:55 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: Check ebay items #'s 220377159534 , 400000553224 , 110369761504 , 380110315012 Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get > in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them > but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick > rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 14:36:40 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: <021501c9b177$3b92a2a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, check with Dave at TRF, he may be able to help you out. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D6 2% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Mar 30 15:34:57 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals References: Message-ID: <022101c9b17f$5fcc5780$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi again, indeed Dave can help you at TRF 800 678-8764 The number for theTR3 is RFP 45, on sale for around $4.00 The TR4 number is RFP 2, around $9.00. No financial interest other than getting out info to the gang. Thanks, Bill P.S. Snow should be gone tomorrow!---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: [Fot] TR comp prep manuals > Does anyone have any spare copies of the original BL Comp Prep manuals for > the TR-3/4( blue)...and the TR-4 (black), that they might sell, please get in > touch with me off line. I already checked with Kas and he is out of them but > said to see if any FOT guys might have a spare one.....Rick rek46 at aol.com > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:% > 2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D6 2% > 26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Mar 30 20:04:18 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:04:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Quote of the day Message-ID: <000301c9b1a5$010932b0$031b9810$@racer@comcast.net> >From the current issue of MOTORSPORT magazine and the article about the Shadow CanAm cars: "Racing is a disease. If you catch it, it doesn't go away.but beer helps" Gary 62 TR4 69 TR6 From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Mar 30 22:00:41 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Message-ID: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Mar 31 07:13:28 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:13:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113C855@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <8CB7FCC64F318D3-4E4-1176@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740113C855@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CB80199DF0C53A-D34-6F4@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Mk1 - early Mk4 and GT6 Mk1 - Plus had 6 studs, pre- swing spring.? The whole spring assembly mounted to the diff.? Where as the later swing spring had only the main leaf mounted to the diff with the rest of the leaves pivoting in a housing above the main leaf.? If you look in a repair or parts manual you will see what I am describing. Thank you, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:26 am Subject: RE: [Fot] diff dimentions I don't know that I've ever seen a 6-stud diff on a Spitfire. I thought those were just the GT6 diffs. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robertten1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] diff dimentions Amici - Looking for the bolt pattern dimensions?on the early Spitfire rear diff for mounting the transverse leaf spring to the top of the diff.? I have the 4 bolt dimensions on the late diff?but, I?need the 6 bolt dimensions.? We are working on some aluminum spacers for a couple Spit/GT6 friends. Thanks, Bob T. '64 Spit GT? autocrosser Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Mar 31 12:08:30 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Message-ID: Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Mar 31 13:15:53 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll second. He's bound to be fast with a name like that. Mike Munson -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 06:02:00 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 13:27:15 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson References: Message-ID: <72871.48036.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seconded. ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:08:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 13:28:25 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310745.12012.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With a name as great as Munson .... I'll happily second ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Tue, 3/31/09, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: munsonsb at telus.net Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:08 PM Listers, A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. Regards, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 13:29:08 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Canadian TR3 Nomination Barry Munson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Listers, > > A couple of us have been working with Barry Munson on his TR3 vintage race > project. It is time that we nominate him for inclusion. > > BARRY MUNSON munsonsb at telus.net > > In a few days Barry will introduce himself and state some objectives for his > vintage racing. You guys may respond to him with some support as you wish. This is probably not needed, as the nomination is from the Grand Poobah - but SECOND. Welcome, Barry! > Regards, > > Joe A Regards, rml p.s. any relation to our own Mike Munson? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 15:24:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:24:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the nuts need? Any suggestions? THX Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 16:03:46 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the > nuts need? > Any suggestions? If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. My wheels were bored to 3" and I use spacers that do not have a locating lug - and the lugnuts used to work loose as described above. > THX > > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Mar 31 16:12:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > >> After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the >> nuts need? >> Any suggestions? > > If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. > > If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you > drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. Clarification - once you re-torque, things seem to be okay 'till you take the wheels off again. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Mar 31 16:21:58 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 00:21:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bolting is the same as with the Revolution wheels. I never had any trouble with the Revos. After the first practice I might found a little retightening but not much turn. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 00:13 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, MadMarx wrote: > >> After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the >> nuts need? >> Any suggestions? > > If you have the wheels hub centric, then 65 ft/lb should be adequate. > > If your wheels are not hub centric, then you can set to 65 but after you > drive half a mile or so, re-torque to 65 or 70 as they will work loose. Clarification - once you re-torque, things seem to be okay 'till you take the wheels off again. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 16:23:28 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ken Gillanders where are you Message-ID: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Has anyone heard from Ken at BFE ? I put in a parts order over a week ago with no response and his phone goes to voicemail ever since. I hope he's OK, we spoke around the 20th and he didn't mention going out of town. He was expecting an order and I'm sure he would have mentioned something. Jim G From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 16:42:53 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:42:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ken Gillanders where are you In-Reply-To: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1369775676.1439841238538208098.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I spoke with him this morning, and placed an order. He is definitely around! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2009, at 3:23 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone heard from Ken at BFE ? I put in a parts order over a > week ago with no response > > and his phone goes to voicemail ever since. I hope he's OK, we spoke > around the 20th and he didn't mention > > going out of town. He was expecting an order and I'm sure he would > have mentioned something. > > Jim G > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Tue Mar 31 17:23:29 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For just a second there I thought someone (else) had considered running a Triumph in the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/ Some friends and I are putting together a team, but, alas, it is not to be TR based. We are, however, considering the construction of a LeMons UnliMited Prototype that might have some TR bits in it for the '10 Lemons racing season. iii 2009/3/31 MadMarx : > After I got 5 wheels for my TR 4 I now would like to know what torque the > nuts need? > Any suggestions? > > THX > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From srcypher at mac.com Tue Mar 31 17:53:37 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen a TR7 listed.. http://jalopnik.com/5125155/24-hours-of-lemons-arse-freeze+a+palooza- ber-gallery-british-steel I probably have enough parts to do a franken-spit (spit with a ford 302), akin to the franken-miata, although I don't think I could make it as "franken"... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Mar 31, 2009, at 7:23 PM, robert bownes wrote: For just a second there I thought someone (else) had considered running a Triumph in the 24 hours of LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/ Some friends and I are putting together a team, but, alas, it is not to be TR based. We are, however, considering the construction of a LeMons UnliMited Prototype that might have some TR bits in it for the '10 Lemons racing season. iii From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 21:34:04 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] clutch master Message-ID: Hello folks can anyone tell me the bore size on a stock tr-6 clutch master thanks rob From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 21:41:58 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:41:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 31 21:42:02 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] clutch master In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090401034201.TFGL17102.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Hello folks can anyone tell me the bore size on a stock tr-6 > clutch master Early .75", later .70" Randall From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 31 21:54:34 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:54:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> What am I, chopped liver?? :) I second both Mac and Rick.? Both are great guys and fine additions to our (un)group. John, do you have their email addresses? Chuck Gee Spitfirte Racer -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: Fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:41 pm Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News Gentlemen: Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be all bad. Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine addition. Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and Smock) second these? -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Mar 31 22:58:11 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:58:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> I think this is an April fools Hooliganism. I wasn't asked to extend a second but, hey my oil isn't warmed enough yet..... By the way... last three events.... I did ok ... Same engine. ... I did break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans #1 piston or rod. They sort broke off the before the front straight. The two large holes in the side of the block visually confirm the tachometer. Should put it on u tube. Is this nomination deal like a ponzy scheme? I nominate one who then begets three others... \ I suppose these guys are ok in my book albeit on the appendix section. m www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nikas" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racing > www.capecoventryracing.com > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:58:49 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <8CB8094B4804F69-66C-3793@webmail-mh31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312158t2e0385f0tc931b640c9853a6f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Chuck: Chopped liver? No, you're more like chopped steak, about the size of a Porterhouse I think. Mac's address is alecmacarthur at verizon.net Rick's is shearicko at aol.com On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > > What am I, chopped liver? :) > > I second both Mac and Rick. Both are great guys and fine additions to our > (un)group. > > John, do you have their email addresses? > > Chuck Gee > Spitfirte Racer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > To: Fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 8:41 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > > Gentlemen: > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable but > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph TR4 > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot be > all bad. > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not life) > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the Hall > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should be > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a la > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a fine > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the 24 > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while still > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > addition. > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > Smock) second these? > > -- > Very truly yours, > > John Nikas > Cape Coventry Racingwww.capecoventryracing.com > > (949) 375-6306 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > * > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306 From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 23:02:39 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:02:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News In-Reply-To: <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <65f1eaba0903312041q53ded148t8c45f45e2b2ef118@mail.gmail.com> <004601c9b286$75a85e20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0903312202r565461bdm412f05b0d6c3488b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Dr. Dunst: There is an appendix for those members not otherwise deemed fully qualified? And although your reliability has improved (notwithstanding Aaron's ventilated block) the key is that you *might *blow up at any time not that you actually do. It's a little like watching a Farah Fawcett interview, you never know when the train will derail and start an attendant tire fire. And by the way, I thought that for every new member you get a coupon good for 10% off at Moss or the Roadster Factory. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Gasket Works wrote: > I think this is an April fools Hooliganism. > > I wasn't asked to extend a second but, hey my oil isn't warmed enough > yet..... > > By the way... last three events.... I did ok ... Same engine. ... I did > break my sons engine in the TR6. Interesting though...it still runs sans > #1 > piston or rod. They sort broke off the before the front straight. The two > large holes in the side of the block visually confirm the tachometer. > Should put it on u tube. > > Is this nomination deal like a ponzy scheme? I nominate one who then > begets > three others... > \ > I suppose these guys are ok in my book albeit on the appendix section. > > m > > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Nikas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:41 PM > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nominations and TV Show News > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > Item 1: There is a TV show on the HD Theater Channel (I have Cox Cable > but > > believe that it is on most cable systems) called Classic Car Club on this > > Thursday at 1130 hours. The program description states that the Triumph > TR4 > > will be featured. I have not seen the show but anything with a TR cannot > be > > all bad. > > > > Item 2: Although I am grateful at my recent nomination and entrance into > > this fine community I am somewhat chagrined that my partner (car not > life) > > was not nominated at the same time. Like Laurel without Hardy or the > Hall > > of Fame induction of Bobby Doerr before Joe Gordon, Alec MacArthur should > be > > here too. Mac is a homicide detective (albeit a very poor one who > > classifies most deaths as a suicide rather than properly identify them a > la > > Columbo or Quincy) who drives a street TR3A (restored by his Uncle) and > > races with me in a TR4 and Spitfire, Although he has recently displayed > > Dunst like reliability (three disabled engines in seven races) he is a > fine > > man, good friend, and will make a fine addition. > > > > Item 3: Rick Shea is somewhat aloof and distant but has displayed > > extraordinary success (winning his class last year) in a rented Triumph > > Spitfire. He competed with Alan Mizutani, Mac and myself last year in the > 24 > > Hours of LeMons in a TR7 and manages to get by on a fixed income while > still > > trying to race. He is close with Val, Jerry Davis and Alan Mizutani and > > although not as good a guy as any of them will nonetheless be a fine > > addition. > > > > Would any one of the following (Messrs. Otts, Vaden, Ascencio, Davis and > > Smock) second these? > > > > -- > > Very truly yours, > > > > John Nikas > > Cape Coventry Racing > > www.capecoventryracing.com > > (949) 375-6306 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- Very truly yours, John Nikas Cape Coventry Racing www.capecoventryracing.com (949) 375-6306