From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  1 02:05:28 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:05:28 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TTA Stag status as of May 31
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Tim Buja wrote:
> I've updated the TTA website with news and pictures about our build progress
> and "uncle jack"'s public debut on Sunday.
> http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk/
> Thanks to everyone who contributed to this gallant and successful effort to
> recover from the catastrophic failure of only one week ago.  We could not
> have done this without your help.

In a world that is overloaded with cliche, the events of the last week - starting last Sunday - and 
the stresses since then, all go to prove what really can be achieved with "absolute teamwork." I am 
truly and utterly amazed that in less than seven days, the replacements for all the damaged parts 
were located, shipped to where they were needed and then brought together into a whole.
This achievement is, by any standards, utterly staggering and a tribute to everyone who played their 
part to overcome the misfortune.
I call you guys the "Works Team" because unlike a works team, you didn't have a truck full of parts 
on your doorstep. However, you all pulled together against the most daunting odds and carried out 
work that a Works Team would be proud to be associated with.
I salute you all with admiration, gratitude and complete amazement at what you achieved in the time 
you had at your disposal.
Thank you, SO much.
"uncle jack" looks superb and I do so hope that members of the Triumph racing fraternity in the US 
and Canada take time out to see what was achieved by all of you. I'm confident as well that Jack 
Drews would have approved to see his name associated with your handiwork. There is a whole lot more 
to say about this overall restoration - but it'll have to wait until I get the opportunity of saying 
it face to face with a raft of other people.
You guys achieved the impossible and though it did take a few days longer, you performed a miracle 
too.
Well done!

John Macartney 

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jun  1 07:06:08 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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Interestingly I was just sent a link to an article from the New York Times on
professions that involve getting dirt under your fingernails.  I think it sums
up why we build our own stuff. There is a need to do something tangible and
sitting behind a computer doesn't fill that need at all. In some sick way even
the failures seem to help fill that void. It puts you back to work to get it
right.

www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24labor-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&em



Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:26 PM
To: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph; Bill Bartlett
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing
much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth.
Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Bill Bartlett"
<BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?


> Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO  [build
> my own].  Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot  on too.
> Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a  perfectionist
> it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On  the other hand about
> the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the  head because it's
> necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient.
> My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's  where
> the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it  right the
> first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and  what I expect
> of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other  year tear-down has
> worked. Each of three times now I've been able to  find concerns before
> they became problems.
> One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was
> getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a  hole
> thru the cover or worse.
> Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see
> astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.-  I'm
> cheap but DO want to get it right.
> The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or  inferior
> material I'll never know, but it was caught in time.
> On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A  friend
> of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has  been sending
> his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two  seasons now and is
> now ready to go for every four races! If you can  afford that, go for it.
> I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are  on
> the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of  patience and
> attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's  not your thing,
> don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always  have at least a bit
> more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having  said that I will do as
> best I can to avoid The Big One.
> As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the  BMO
> are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to  the
> others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 08:07:26 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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On Sat, 30 May 2009, Bill Bartlett wrote:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B

mine (so far) are home-built. I've also built 5 or 10 for other folks. 
I've def. done at least three from scratch and I've had a hand in the 
other ones...

I haven't built anything more than what the Kastner TR6 book says (yet). 
I'm looking for reliabitiy more than ultimate power.

the only prob. I've had to this point with all those motors was a broken 
rocker arm which was a rebuilt stock piece. Rather than risk that problem 
again, I switched to roller rockers about 5 years ago. def. the way to go 
if you're not constrained by rules.

These motors are easy to work on as long as you're not trying to get 2X 
the factory specs from them.

regards,
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 08:16:17 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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On Sat, 30 May 2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build
> it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build.


The latest Classic Motorsports mag has just such an article.

Check it out.

rml
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun  1 08:45:29 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas on engine building
Message-ID: <000001c9e2c7$9c5e3a00$d51aae00$@com>

Long day yesterday.  Overlooked giving credit where credit is due to Kas's
books and his e-mails to me when I was working on the engine builds.  Also
invaluable, as was the Drews help.  Sorry, Kas and thanks!

 

Tim

From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:47:13 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:47:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>
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Dick Stockton builds his own motors, but he is a retired "pro".

Bob Adams

From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 09:55:20 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:55:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
Message-ID: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>

I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
material than stock.

Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
etc.

From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:59:23 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it
> runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied
> with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in
> excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up
> the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many
> times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!
> I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am
> wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction
> material than stock.



Ted Schumacher has carbon kevlar shoes for the drums used in the TR series
cars. I would start with him.

HTH,

Irv Korey

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 10:21:42 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:21:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <541947624.1714121243873302271.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm with you Tony, If I had to pay for engine builds I probably wouldn't be
doing it.

I have learned how not to build them a couple timesB but with advice
fromB your

website, Kas, FoT, Ken G of BFEB and Fred Hodgson of Auto Wizards I'm getting
better.

My background has been in small & big block chevy's but as I found out the
hard way

there is very little that translates to our little tactor motors.

Without these resources it would take years and lots of money in blown motors

to get it right.



Jim G.

RMVR


----- Original Message -----
From: tony at tonydrews.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:26:25 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). B If
I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. B I put
together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. B Of course,
Kas's books are invaluable!

I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
there.

http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm

I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.

But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. B No knock to
them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
to make sense, I think.

- Tony Drews

Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun  1 12:21:29 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>

I recently asked the same question and got some great response.  I decided
on the Carbotech rear shoes with the 913 compound for our TR4.  Haven't
reported the results back yet because we haven't run a race since getting
them.  Next race is Blackhawk on June 20-21st in South Beloit,IL.  Go to
www.ctbrakes.com/pads/triumph.htm  they list the GT 6 rear drum shoes and
linings as CTS211 at a cost of $149 for the 913 compound.  It's a pretty
nice site.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?

I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
material than stock.

Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
etc.
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Jun  1 12:45:37 2009
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:45:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
	<000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>
Message-ID: <4A2421D1.4070307@bright.net>

Tim, Scott, et al.  Our Kevlar shoes, bonded and riveted, are $60/axle 
set (4 shoes) exchange.  Good cold stop power, no warm up needed. Drum 
and rotor friendly.  Two yeas ago our brakes were on the HP SCCA 
National Champion Spit at Topeka.  Ted




Tim Murphy wrote:
> I recently asked the same question and got some great response.  I decided
> on the Carbotech rear shoes with the 913 compound for our TR4.  Haven't
> reported the results back yet because we haven't run a race since getting
> them.  Next race is Blackhawk on June 20-21st in South Beloit,IL.  Go to
> www.ctbrakes.com/pads/triumph.htm  they list the GT 6 rear drum shoes and
> linings as CTS211 at a cost of $149 for the 913 compound.  It's a pretty
> nice site.
>
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Scott Janzen
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
>
> I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
> runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
> with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
> excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
> the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
> times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
> I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
> wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
> material than stock.
>
> Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
> vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
> etc.
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:40:03 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jun  1 13:57:55 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:57:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8D068947485F4419901C39EAAA1F5EB3@joepentiumnew>

I don't know about steel wheels but I bought some 15" Panasports From Ted S.
that have the right bolt pattern.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Nikas
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:40 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 15:15:09 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, John Nikas wrote:

> Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
> inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
> bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
> they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
> steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

Not many fit off the shelf, the bolt pattern is 4 on 3.75 or 4 on 96 mm, 
something like that.

If you want to fit "jap car" wheels to your TR7, there are vendors that 
sell adapters to go from 4 on whatever to 4 on 100mm, a common zise for 
"tuner" cars. The only drawback to this approach is the fact that most 
tuner wheels run lots of offset - BUT the adapters act like spacers and 
cancel some of the change in offset.

In other words - the adapter approach will def. work for some folks.

Whether you prefer to run spacers and that sort of thing is a personal 
preference, or so it seems.

Me - if I happened to have a TR7 or TR8, I'd either make custom hubs or 
convert what's there to 4 on 4.5" because I have about a zillion 4 on 4.5 
wheels from having owned TR6's since the 70's. :-) Oh - and it's not hard 
to get a Ford 8.8" diff to fit a TR7/8 and you can easily get 4 on 4.5" 
hubs for that setup.

> -- 
> Very truly yours,
>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306


regards,
rml
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  1 15:18:49 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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Year 2008 was an expensive one with 5 engine blows in 4 race events.
In some cases trouble started when I went away from Mr. Kastners
recommendations and trying to be more smart then him. Then disaster was
programmed.

For my part I try to be close to the Kastner books and the helping e-mails
when I build an engine and doing less listening to other people.

Chris (who has again scuffed 4 pistons before the season starts)


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Juni 2009 06:26
An: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph; Bill Bartlett
Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing
much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth.
Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too)

From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 15:28:38 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:28:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
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  Hi all, I put 7/8" rear wheel cylinders on the TR6 to replace the 3/4''
originals and got better rear braking. Got them from BPNW for a Morgan, I
think. Also run Teds rear shoes, they work fine.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
  To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:55 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?


  > I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it
  > runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied
  > with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in
  > excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up
  > the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many
  > times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!
  > I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am
  > wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction
  > material than stock.
  >
  > Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run
  > vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,
  > etc.
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 15:54:40 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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  Hi Gang, I build my own after having the machine shop check the align
bore, shave the head, etc. I grind my own valves and seats and do the
assembly work.
  Full disclosure: in a previous life I went to an automotive college and
worked for a decade or so as a mechanic. Have all the tools (and then some!)
and a big garage. And hundreds of drill bits and taps- let me know what you
need.
  Kaz is right, take your time and do it right. Clean everything thoroughly.
And get an accurate torque wrench; spend the money on a good one and it will
last for years. Same with dial indicators or mics.
  Before you even think about firing it up, build up oil pressure. I made a
shaft to turn the oil pump after the dist and drive gear are out. Drive it
with a drill motor; works great. Pull the spark plugs and turn the engine
over with a spare starter motor. Make sure you have oil everywhere.
  Then like Kaz says, there's nothing like hearing your own creation come to
life!
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: <tony at tonydrews.com>
  Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?


  > I'm with you Tony, If I had to pay for engine builds I probably wouldn't
be
  > doing it.
  >
  > I have learned how not to build them a couple timesB but with advice
  > fromB your
  >
  > website, Kas, FoT, Ken G of BFEB and Fred Hodgson of Auto Wizards I'm
getting
  > better.
  >
  > My background has been in small & big block chevy's but as I found out
the
  > hard way
  >
  > there is very little that translates to our little tactor motors.
  >
  > Without these resources it would take years and lots of money in blown
motors
  >
  > to get it right.
  >
  >
  >
  > Jim G.
  >
  > RMVR
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: tony at tonydrews.com
  > To: fot at autox.team.net
  > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:26:25 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
  > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
  >
  > I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). B If
  > I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
  > But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. B I put
  > together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
  > couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
  > to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. B Of course,
  > Kas's books are invaluable!
  >
  > I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
  > there.
  >
  > http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm
  >
  > I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.
  >
  > But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
  > aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. B No knock to
  > them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
  > to make sense, I think.
  >
  > - Tony Drews
  >
  > Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:
  >
  > > Curiosity
  > > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
  > > professionally built and prepped?
  > > Bill B
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jun  1 17:36:50 2009
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:36:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
Message-ID: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>

  _____  

From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Craig
Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.



it's time for fiat jokes.

Got any more of them?

Craig

 

 

How do you get spare parts for a Fiat? 
/ Just follow another one around.
  
 
When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat? 
/ When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
 
Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device? 
/ They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
 
What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual? 
/The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
 
How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour? 
/ Push it over a cliff.
 
A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for my
Fiat." 
/ The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade." 

How do you make a Fiat go faster? 
/Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
 
What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop? 
/ A miracle.


What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop? 
/ Science fiction.


What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop? 
/ A funny place to build a Fiat factory. 





 


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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 17:54:02 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
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Message-ID: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>

What do the letters FIAT stand for?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


>  _____
>
> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: Craig
> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>
>
>
> it's time for fiat jokes.
>
> Got any more of them?
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> / Just follow another one around.
>
>
> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>
> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>
> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>
> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> / Push it over a cliff.
>
> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
> my
> Fiat."
> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>
> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>
> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> / A miracle.
>
>
> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> / Science fiction.
>
>
> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:04:21 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3DB4E9E40ACC41E38E548CC77489DC51@Bud>

Ques...How do you make your neighbors think you have a Jaguar when you can't 
really afford one?
answ.  Pour some oil on your driveway
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


>  _____
>
> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: Craig
> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>
>
>
> it's time for fiat jokes.
>
> Got any more of them?
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> / Just follow another one around.
>
>
> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>
> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>
> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>
> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> / Push it over a cliff.
>
> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
> my
> Fiat."
> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>
> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>
> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> / A miracle.
>
>
> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> / Science fiction.
>
>
> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Mon Jun  1 18:05:54 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
Message-ID: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Turino
 
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700 "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
writes:
> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
> 
> 
> >  _____
> >
> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: Craig
> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> >
> >
> > it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> > Got any more of them?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> > / Just follow another one around.
> >
> >
> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
> >
> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
> >
> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
> >
> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> > / Push it over a cliff.
> >
> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas 
> cap for 
> > my
> > Fiat."
> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
> >
> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
> >
> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> > / A miracle.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / Science fiction.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jun  1 18:15:56 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>

No that's not it.

It is Fix It Again Tony.

BK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


> Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Turino
>
> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700 "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> writes:
>> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>>
>>
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
>> > To: Craig
>> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > it's time for fiat jokes.
>> >
>> > Got any more of them?
>> >
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
>> > / Just follow another one around.
>> >
>> >
>> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
>> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>> >
>> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
>> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>> >
>> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
>> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>> >
>> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
>> > / Push it over a cliff.
>> >
>> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas
>> cap for
>> > my
>> > Fiat."
>> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>> >
>> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
>> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>> >
>> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
>> > / A miracle.
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
>> > / Science fiction.
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
>> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From riverside at cedar-rapids.net  Mon Jun  1 18:18:20 2009
From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
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Fix It Again Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
>> To: Craig
>> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>>
>>
>>
>> it's time for fiat jokes.
>>
>> Got any more of them?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
>> / Just follow another one around.
>>
>>
>> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
>> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>>
>> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
>> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>>
>> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
>> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>>
>> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
>> / Push it over a cliff.
>>
>> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
>> my
>> Fiat."
>> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>>
>> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
>> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>>
>> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
>> / A miracle.
>>
>>
>> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
>> / Science fiction.
>>
>>
>> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
>> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:23:06 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
Message-ID: <4A2470EA.1080205@verizon.net>

I remember an old joke about a FIAT repair kit.

It was a semi full of money that followed you around everywhere.

Bob Kramer wrote:
> No that's not it.
>
> It is Fix It Again Tony.
>
> BK

From tr6nut at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:23:13 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
Message-ID: <4A2470F1.1010305@verizon.net>

I remember an old joke about a FIAT repair kit.

It was a semi full of money that followed you around everywhere.

Bob Kramer wrote:
> No that's not it.
>
> It is Fix It Again Tony.
>
> BK

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jun  1 18:23:42 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:23:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
Message-ID: <A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>

> What do the letters FIAT stand for?

Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".

Randall

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:45:08 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
Message-ID: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>

What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?

RB

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:48:51 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
Message-ID: <9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>

The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!


> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
> 
> RB
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 18:52:23 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
In-Reply-To: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906011752o5f02e6fbm5a829b963c825b88@mail.gmail.com>

My guess would be the first car to use Lucas electrics in which they went
from On Flicker Dimmer Off.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>
> RB
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(949) 375-6306

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  1 19:05:11 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
In-Reply-To: <9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
	<9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
Message-ID: <BCB6CB1A-84EA-4C98-AFEF-AB086FDD5649@earthlink.net>

Gotta' disagree - I think the first car to use Lucas headlamps was  
the Rolls Royce of 1914. It would go to figure that would have dawned  
the age of flashing lights!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, RACER BUD wrote:

> The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
> RB
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
>
>
>> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>> RB
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From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Jun  1 19:05:46 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
	<A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>

Finote
Invented
Another
Tool

On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 PM, Randall wrote:

>> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
>
> Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".
>
> Randall
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--
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 19:10:51 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
	<9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
	<BCB6CB1A-84EA-4C98-AFEF-AB086FDD5649@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <97B5243040D745A58323D64E58FF6771@Bud>

Now I'm gettin' it...the loose ground wires etc.(:>)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!


> Gotta' disagree - I think the first car to use Lucas headlamps was  
> the Rolls Royce of 1914. It would go to figure that would have dawned  
> the age of flashing lights!
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, RACER BUD wrote:
> 
>> The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
>> RB
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
>>
>>
>>> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>>> RB
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Mon Jun  1 19:19:24 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:19:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
	<A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com> 
	<E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W228B5365CE4218CCD1FA3DC84D0@phx.gbl>

Fabrica Italia Automobili Torino



No kidding.



Mike Cook

> From: andre at gt6.ca
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:05:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
> Finote
> Invented
> Another
> Tool
>
> On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> >> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> >
> > Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".
> >
> > Randall
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>
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jun  1 19:43:07 2009
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:43:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud> 
Message-ID: <BAY104-W225107BF0617C7C092A6EBDA4D0@phx.gbl>

Futile Italian Attempt @ Transportation or F%&@! Italian Automotive Tragedy

> From: budscars at comcast.net
> To: walt at hot-tr6.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
>
> > _____
> >
> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: Craig
> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> >
> >
> > it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> > Got any more of them?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> > / Just follow another one around.
> >
> >
> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
> >
> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
> >
> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
> >
> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> > / Push it over a cliff.
> >
> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for
> > my
> > Fiat."
> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
> >
> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
> >
> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> > / A miracle.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / Science fiction.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  1 20:03:30 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:03:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Sometimes
Message-ID: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>

Freshly built or not I think we could all use a bit of this sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY1YndLmbXQ

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM

From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun  1 22:39:17 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:39:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
In-Reply-To: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
References: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6D1A8A88-B294-45F9-A58C-1C4AE5D48F6C@bnj.com>

Raced Peyote at Infinion (Sears Point in Sonoma, California) this  
weekend at the Wine Country Classic. Peyote did great right up until  
the checker on Sunday's warmup when my clutch went away.  I had a  
spare clutch pack with me, and decided to do the loony in-the-paddock- 
extreme-repair and put it in, but it's a double spline type, and I  
didn't have an input shaft with me, so I couldn't index it. With about  
40 minutes left before the green flag I gave up trying to wiggle the  
transmission on, pulled the clutch off and stuck the transmission back  
on to put it back in the trailer. Too bad, I was slow on Saturday in  
the qualifying race (14th out of 40) but had the bit between my teeth  
during the warmup on Sunday and was running with the three leaders.  I  
think it would have been a fun race.

A long tow--about ten hours each way, hauling my 34' airstream--Nero.  
But it was a great weekend at the races and a fine ride back in a warm  
California haze with good music blasting. Sang pretty much all the way  
back to Portland. A little hoarse and a little sunburned.

Lots of old friends and a few new ones at the race, including Baxter  
Culver (Peyote's previous owner), Hardy Prentice, Greg Petrolati,  
David Love and many more. Made for a really great weekend. 

From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun  1 23:32:08 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:32:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
In-Reply-To: <000901c9e33d$4aa446c0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
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	<000901c9e33d$4aa446c0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <F3C9AE04-5790-4D77-B4DB-ECDE30F61A12@bnj.com>

They might. If not, the CSRG Charity Challenge is just as much fun and  
a lot more track time.

On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:47 PM, mordy wrote:

> I always wanted to do that event... but, alas -don't think they  
> would accept a tr4.    i havn't been to sears point in years.  There  
> still is a photo of the old sign leading to the turn in to the track  
> on the FOT page.  Check it out ... has it changed?
> Mordy
>
> M.N.Dunst
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> www.Headgasket.com
> Triple R Munitions, Inc.
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> 626.628.3777 fx
> GMT -8 Pacific
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
>
>
>> Raced Peyote at Infinion (Sears Point in Sonoma, California) this   
>> weekend at the Wine Country Classic. Peyote did great right up  
>> until  the checker on Sunday's warmup when my clutch went away.  I  
>> had a  spare clutch pack with me, and decided to do the loony in- 
>> the-paddock- extreme-repair and put it in, but it's a double spline  
>> type, and I  didn't have an input shaft with me, so I couldn't  
>> index it. With about  40 minutes left before the green flag I gave  
>> up trying to wiggle the  transmission on, pulled the clutch off and  
>> stuck the transmission back  on to put it back in the trailer. Too  
>> bad, I was slow on Saturday in  the qualifying race (14th out of  
>> 40) but had the bit between my teeth  during the warmup on Sunday  
>> and was running with the three leaders.  I  think it would have  
>> been a fun race.
>>
>> A long tow--about ten hours each way, hauling my 34' airstream-- 
>> Nero.  But it was a great weekend at the races and a fine ride back  
>> in a warm California haze with good music blasting. Sang pretty  
>> much all the way back to Portland. A little hoarse and a little  
>> sunburned.
>>
>> Lots of old friends and a few new ones at the race, including  
>> Baxter Culver (Peyote's previous owner), Hardy Prentice, Greg  
>> Petrolati,  David Love and many more. Made for a really great  
>> weekend. _______________________________________________
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jun  1 23:47:26 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
Message-ID: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>

Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....

From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jun  2 00:11:07 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>

The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
the middle of the night to watch it live)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:47 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox

Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue Jun  2 00:20:45 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:20:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
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For the past 2-3 years the SpeedTV team of Varsha, Matchett and Hobbs 
have done the commentary on Fox.  The days of having to put up with 
Eddie, Derek and the gang are long gone.

Now, the SpeedTV crew do acknowledge that they have to give a bit 
more basic info since they have a larger (potential) and uninformed 
audience that might be channel surfing by since it will be on Fox

With the introduction of DVR technology I haven't gotten up in the 
middle of the night to watch a race in years... :)


At 11:11 PM 6/1/2009, Joe Curry wrote:
>The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
>if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
>the middle of the night to watch it live)
>
>Joe C.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of David W. Riddle
>Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:47 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
>
>Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four
>races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 17:01:47 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:01:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
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you can also go to Diamond Wheel and they will make you up a steel  
wheel, any bolt pattern, any offset, any width for a very reasonable  
price.  Know this from my Formula Ford days when I needed some strong  
straight wheels.

On Jun 1, 2009, at 3:40 PM, John Nikas wrote:

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7  
with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that  
the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I  
think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know  
what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 07:42:57 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
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	<46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
> if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
> the middle of the night to watch it live)

Near as I can figure (and from what Varsha, Hobbs and Machett were saying 
at Monoco), the announcers are the same for the Fox broadcast and the 
Speed production. They do add some more color and comment because the 
network probably figures that Joe SixPack watches F1 in total shock owing 
to 6 second pit stops and cars that weigh less than 1/3 the NASCAR 
tanks...

:-)

But FWIW, Fox owns Speed and they're using the same announcers for the 
next 4 races.

My only comment - don't use that GenX dude with the messed up hair to 
replace Peter Windsor in the pits... that would be tragic, indeed.

> Joe C.

regards,
rml
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jun  2 09:06:46 2009
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:06:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question
Message-ID: <20090602150655.058111885B9@autox.team.net>

Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
rear?  I am not aware on one.
Thanks
Walt Hollowell
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 09:56:34 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:56:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
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Message-ID: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>

In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but these were on the rally 
cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums braked better.

Jonmac

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To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Question


> Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
> rear?  I am not aware on one.
> Thanks
> Walt Hollowell
> Abq., NM
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  2 10:18:35 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
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John,

Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?

If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question

In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
these were on the rally
cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
braked better.

Jonmac

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Question


> Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
> rear? B I am not aware on one.
> Thanks
> Walt Hollowell
> Abq., NM
>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 10:57:07 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:57:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
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Message-ID: <E2CA726AE44D480BA46676C02BCE0DD1@John>

With regard to FIA, I haven't a clue - but I'd doubt it. While TR's were
factory prepared (I think for Sebring?) the majority of competition work from
1965 thru 1973-ish was mostly with the 2000 and 2.5PI saloons on the European
and World Rallies. Have a look here
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JD-WV38kDzc/SY3g2MMtONI/AAAAAAAAC88/yeuGtO8aoGQ/XJB303H
+in+1985.jpg as it's one of the three former London Mexico City World Cup
Rally Cars of 1970. It's still around in private ownership and known as
XJB303H - its licence plate

Jonmac
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
  To: John Macartney
  Cc: fot
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


  John,

  Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?

  If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

  Jim G




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
  To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question

  In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
these were on the rally
  cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
braked better.

  Jonmac

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
  To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Question


  > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
the
  > rear?  I am not aware on one.
  > Thanks
  > Walt Hollowell
  > Abq., NM
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 10:59:32 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
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Gentlemen:

Thanks for all the help. With any luck the third LeMons race for the TR7
will allow us the chance to win outright. Now wouldn't that piss off all the
import tuner guys and Porsche snobs?

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <
Lunkercars at earthlink.net> wrote:

> John,
> If the pattern is 4 x 96mm you might try older Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable.
> Pretty sure that is what a friend put on a Fiat 1500 vintage racer. That of
> course means the Fiat wheels would work too [I think they were 15"] but
> would likely not be wide enough to be of any help. The only Japanese car I
> can think of that would have that pattern on a 15 might be a 90's Subaru
> [WRX?] - the funny looking one with the window within a window.
> Hope this might be of some help.
> Greg
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:40 PM, John Nikas wrote:
>
>  Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with
>> 15
>> inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
>> bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
>> they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
>> steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Very truly yours,
>>
>> John Nikas
>> Cape Coventry Racing
>> www.capecoventryracing.com
>> (949) 375-6306
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(949) 375-6306

From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 11:01:54 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:01:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question
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I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 (thanks
Kas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows whether a TR ran with
rear discs for SCCA that might work too.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>
> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>
> Jim G
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
> these were on the rally
> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
> braked better.
>
> Jonmac
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Question
>
>
> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
> the
> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > Thanks
> > Walt Hollowell
> > Abq., NM
> >
> > B _____
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun  2 11:50:34 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:50:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Question
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	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e2c6ca6119b6e.4a25666a@optonline.net>

I think someone is running rear discs now in a TR3.  E-prod.  

----- Original Message -----
From: John Nikas 
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: fot 

> I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 
> (thanksKas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows 
> whether a TR ran with
> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, wrote:
> 
> > John,
> >
> > Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on 
> the rear ?
> >
> > If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
> >
> > Jim G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Macartney" 
> > To: "Walter Hollowell" , "'Friends of 
> Triumph' Triumph"
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / 
> La Paz /
> > Mazatlan
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> >
> > In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on 
> the rear - but
> > these were on the rally
> > cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and 
> rear drums
> > braked better.
> >
> > Jonmac
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walter Hollowell" 
> > To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Question
> >
> >
> > > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc 
> brakes on
> > the
> > > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > > Thanks
> > > Walt Hollowell
> > > Abq., NM
> > >
> > > B _____
> > >
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Tue Jun  2 12:37:34 2009
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:37:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
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	<E2CA726AE44D480BA46676C02BCE0DD1@John>
Message-ID: <14FD1680360144C29816189AE501A4C7@PBA.INT>

Hi

As far as Im aware the Dunlop rear discs were only used by the factory on 
works Le Mans race cars, starting with the TR2, then TR3S and then  the TR4S 
'Sabrina' cars ....

Rumour has it that the assemblies were physically transferred from old cars 
to new, so that when the old cars were sold on by the Factory, which was 
their common practice, they left without a lot of the goodies on board. This 
probably because Ken Richardson had so little money to play with.

Im not sure on homologation, but if a car ran in the 24 Hour Le Mans race, 
wouldnt a similar car be able to run similar discs on the back ? ie. a TR2 
or TR3 ?

All the best

Tony


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


> With regard to FIA, I haven't a clue - but I'd doubt it. While TR's were
> factory prepared (I think for Sebring?) the majority of competition work 
> from
> 1965 thru 1973-ish was mostly with the 2000 and 2.5PI saloons on the 
> European
> and World Rallies. Have a look here
> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JD-WV38kDzc/SY3g2MMtONI/AAAAAAAAC88/yeuGtO8aoGQ/XJB303H
> +in+1985.jpg as it's one of the three former London Mexico City World Cup
> Rally Cars of 1970. It's still around in private ownership and known as
> XJB303H - its licence plate
>
> Jonmac
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>  To: John Macartney
>  Cc: fot
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
>
>  John,
>
>  Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>
>  If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>
>  Jim G
>
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
>  To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
>  In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - 
> but
> these were on the rally
>  cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
> braked better.
>
>  Jonmac
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
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>  To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
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>  Subject: [Fot] Question
>
>
>  > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
> the
>  > rear?  I am not aware on one.
>  > Thanks
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>  > Abq., NM
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun  2 13:26:10 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:26:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car rules 
SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


>I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 (thanks
> Kas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows whether a TR ran with
> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>>
>> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>>
>> Jim G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
>> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
>> <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>> Mazatlan
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>>
>> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - 
>> but
>> these were on the rally
>> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
>> braked better.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Question
>>
>>
>> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
>> the
>> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
>> > Thanks
>> > Walt Hollowell
>> > Abq., NM
>> >
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 13:54:44 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
	<40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Rocky Entriken wrote:

> IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car rules 
> SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.

I do not think that this conversion was allowed until about 1983 or so.

Prior to that, there were quite a few limits on what you were allowed to 
change. A 1972 GCR Triumph Prod car is a LOT different from a 1983 car 
was!

> --Rocky

regards,
rml
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Tue Jun  2 14:36:14 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:36:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
Message-ID: <d58.4237dc47.3756e73e@aol.com>

A lot of you guys probably know Jere. He was with Gary Hunter and I at 
Watkins Glen last Sept. He is restoring a TR4 and making it into a TR 250. He 
would like to be on the list and is joining our vintage racing team.

Tim Suddard
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and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun  2 14:52:48 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
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Roger THAT!  :-)

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; 
"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>
>> IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car 
>> rules SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.
>
> I do not think that this conversion was allowed until about 1983 or so.
>
> Prior to that, there were quite a few limits on what you were allowed to 
> change. A 1972 GCR Triumph Prod car is a LOT different from a 1983 car 
> was!
>
>> --Rocky
>
> regards,
> rml
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun  2 14:54:35 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:54:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
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References: <d58.4237dc47.3756e73e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e380d46d18018.4a25918b@optonline.net>

I drove a TR 250 in high school.  Coolest car in the student parking lot.

I second!!    Welcome Jere!


Todd Redmond
1958 TR3A


----- Original Message -----
From: GRMTim at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
To: FOT at autox.team.net, gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com

> A lot of you guys probably know Jere. He was with Gary Hunter 
> and I at 
> Watkins Glen last Sept. He is restoring a TR4 and making it into 
> a TR 250. He 
> would like to be on the list and is joining our vintage racing team.
> 
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Jun  2 15:23:48 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question
Message-ID: <20090602.152349.3816.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

>>>If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

I wouldn't jump that far and assume RMVR will accept a car converted to
disc brakes. There are circumstances under which such a car may get on
track with RMVR, but not as a general rule. RMVR allows certain
exceptions to the 1967 & 1972 SCCA GCRs, but I do not believe they extend
to replacing drum brakes with disc brakes.  
Bill 

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes:
> John,
> 
> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the 
> rear ?
> 
> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
> 
> Jim G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' 
> Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz 
> /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> 
> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the 
> rear - but
> these were on the rally
> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear 
> drums
> braked better.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Question
> 
> 
> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc 
> brakes on the
> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > Thanks
> > Walt Hollowell
> > Abq., NM
> >
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Tue Jun  2 18:38:56 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>

Hello Fot,
   I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
   Thanks,
    Dave H.


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun  2 20:23:34 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Mosport info/video needed
Message-ID: <20090603022407.2C5741888A7@autox.team.net>


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  2 20:35:31 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <262D7C6F-96CE-4F29-BE8C-3A6D24760B2F@bnj.com>

Not sure about the lowering part, but the caster is nice. The lower
control arms are flat, can't see how flipping them would lower the
car.  Are you assuming some problem with using shorter springs?

If you don't already have Kas' books, it's a good time to get them.


On Jun 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:

> Hello Fot,
>   I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing.
> Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control
> arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about
> an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this
> also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of
> set up?
>   Thanks,
>    Dave H.
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun  2 20:58:12 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
Message-ID: <20090603025840.4BC6C1885C7@autox.team.net>

Let's try this as UNFORMATTED text.  Posting for Russ who seems to be 
having issues posting to the FOT.  Maybe the same formatting problem 
I had?   Anyway, Russ's request is below.

Thanks, Tony Drews

From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:21 PM
To: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Subject: Mosport



I have coerced a fellow Spitfire jockey to head north and experience 
Mosport (aye!) with us later this month. Do any of you have lap 
footage from some of the previous years up there? Or a copy of the 
handout Johnny Greenwood passes out some times?

Thanks



Russ Moore

Spitfire 49

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun  3 05:15:55 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Drive... Bob Style
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906030710410.10768@isis.mit.edu>

Hey,

Check out this vid that I just posted:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlml3WErfQ

I could have been a bit smoother, but all-in-all I was very satisfied 
getting the old horse out again...

The comment about the drift was that my mechanic somehow left an 8" drift 
in the engine compartment that liberated itself on the first or second 
offset. The guy that returned it was less than pleased with the episode.

Doh!

c ya,
rml
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Wed Jun  3 05:20:50 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for a
MGVR'r but jist is there;

MGVR
	Racer Built	7
	Pro Built	5
FOT
	Racer Built 19
	Pro Built	3
	Partial assembly or some times	2

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bill Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:40 PM
To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

HI Gang - thanks Tony
Here are the updated tabular results from both the MG and Triumph gang.
Please
keep in mind this is purely curiosity. I actually have my engines
professionally built and am thankful for the results. Particularly on the A.
A friend of mine started doing his engines and as so many said: It adds to
the
enjoyment for him, and saves on the pocket book if you have the time and
inclination.
So here goes:

MGVR
	Racer Built	4
	Pro Built	3
FOT
	Racer Built 	13
	Pro Built	3
	Partial assembly or some times	2

I think the MGVR gang were hard at it in the garages this weekend getting
ready for  the Gold Cup. I am still at it - just taking a break before I
button the A back up.  So perhaps we will get some more responses a bit
latter.

Good luck to every one this season

Bill Bartlett
MGA Coupe 348
GT6 # unknown (Hopeful Fall Launch)


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:26 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad).  If
I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too.  I put
together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
to help out others who are trying to do it themselves.  Of course,
Kas's books are invaluable!

I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
there.

http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm

I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.

But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions.  No knock to
them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
to make sense, I think.

- Tony Drews

Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 06:41:58 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.

I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)

I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
all.

I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...

Scott

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Wed Jun  3 07:29:15 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:29:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
	<e2c6ca6119b6e.4a25666a@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <B960EA67A0B7496DA80C2176D8688E47@Pendys>

Am presently running rear disc's on the 'ol hot rod TR, Car mainly runs with 
SCCA  VP Class and E Prod. I agree that the '70s and '80s GCR would raise an 
eyebrow or two on this subject, but to date, nobody has ever questioned the 
car. Mark Pendy #65 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


>I think someone is running rear discs now in a TR3.  E-prod.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Nikas
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> Cc: fot
>
>> I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6
>> (thanksKas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows
>> whether a TR ran with
>> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, wrote:
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on
>> the rear ?
>> >
>> > If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>> >
>> > Jim G
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Macartney"
>> > To: "Walter Hollowell" , "'Friends of
>> Triumph' Triumph"
>> >
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua /
>> La Paz /
>> > Mazatlan
>> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>> >
>> > In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on
>> the rear - but
>> > these were on the rally
>> > cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and
>> rear drums
>> > braked better.
>> >
>> > Jonmac
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Walter Hollowell"
>> > To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'"
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>> > Subject: [Fot] Question
>> >
>> >
>> > > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc
>> brakes on
>> > the
>> > > rear? B I am not aware on one.
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Walt Hollowell
>> > > Abq., NM
>> > >
>> > > B _____
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 07:31:47 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:31:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>

Dave,
 
FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front end.  It does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",  

Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, body off chassis etc.

Hope it works!
Todd Redmond
Triumph TR3

----- Original Message -----
From: Dlhogye at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Fot at autox.team.net

> Hello Fot,
> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for 
> racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower 
> control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front 
> about an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does 
> anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the 
> front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, 
> this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type 
> of set up?
> Thanks,
> Dave H.
> 
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  3 08:03:36 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:03:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603140405.CF5D4188879@autox.team.net>

Your assessment is correct.  The lower seal and the little button in 
the middle are what hold all of the cooling system pressure.  The 2nd 
thing to look at is how deep the well that the rad cap fits into 
is.  Older british cars seem to have a deeper well than is common 
now, causing the lower part of the radiator cap to not seal against 
anything causing zero pressure in the cooling system.  Someone 
(probably Moss or TRF) sells the caps with the longer actuating 
mechanism.  I've seen that problem on 2 or 3 different cars with 
inexplicable cooling problems.  The first one took a LONG time to 
diagnose, but after I was aware of that potential issue the others I 
was LOOKING for that problem.

If you have a rad cap with an overflow in the header tank, you could 
plug up the overflow from the radiator.  I think you should have only 
one pressure relief / overflow in the cooling system.

- Tony

At 07:41 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
>tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
>track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
>tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
>run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.
>
>I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
>reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)
>
>I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
>seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
>that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
>appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
>the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
>into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
>all.
>
>I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
>place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...
>
>Scott
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Jun  3 08:11:54 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:11:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tony Drews
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A55C672@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Tony,

As a "get by" at the track fix you can cut an inner tube and add 2 more
lower seals to a standard cap and it will hold enough pressure for most
cars. Don't ask how I know this!! PITA to get that second layer over the
button too! Have fun!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 08:24:01 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:24:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've replaced the cap with a new one, with all the parts in place.  It
still runs water out of the overflow tube, so I think we may have
another issue.

I measured the distance from the top sealing seat to the lower sealing
seat - approx. 0.750" -  and the distance on the new cap from the upper
seal to the lower seal - approx. 0.800".  That difference (0.050")
doesn't seem like enough of a difference to me.

Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
pressure?

Scott B.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Radiator Caps

Your assessment is correct.  The lower seal and the little button in
the middle are what hold all of the cooling system pressure.  The 2nd
thing to look at is how deep the well that the rad cap fits into
is.  Older british cars seem to have a deeper well than is common
now, causing the lower part of the radiator cap to not seal against
anything causing zero pressure in the cooling system.  Someone
(probably Moss or TRF) sells the caps with the longer actuating
mechanism.  I've seen that problem on 2 or 3 different cars with
inexplicable cooling problems.  The first one took a LONG time to
diagnose, but after I was aware of that potential issue the others I
was LOOKING for that problem.

If you have a rad cap with an overflow in the header tank, you could
plug up the overflow from the radiator.  I think you should have only
one pressure relief / overflow in the cooling system.

- Tony

At 07:41 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
>tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
>track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
>tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
>run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.
>
>I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
>reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)
>
>I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
>seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
>that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
>appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
>the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
>into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
>all.
>
>I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
>place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...
>
>Scott
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 08:39:47 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
Message-ID: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because 
we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2

From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 08:44:11 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions 
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts 
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.  
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2 
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this 
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.  
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them 
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo 
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they 
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of 
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 08:52:31 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< Is it because we are smarter than they are? >>

To make that conclusion, we'd need to also compare data on the
percentage of DNFs.  Then we'll really know who's smarter.  :-)

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:40 AM
To: Bill Bartlett
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because

we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r
for a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun  3 08:52:25 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:52:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
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I think you would have a tough time reading a whole lot into a scientific
study like this.  I amnot sure which group I fall into as sometimes I'm
rebuilding an engine for my Triumph and other times my MG and other times my
Renault powered car.  Ask how many Porsche guys rebuild their own engines.
This would be more interesting...............................Cheers Henry
Morrison

> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:39:47 -0500
> From: cartravel at pobox.com
> To: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> So, why the difference? Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%. Is it because
> we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
> > Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
a
> > MGVR'r but jist is there;
> >
> > MGVR
> > Racer Built 7
> > Pro Built 5
> > FOT
> > Racer Built 19
> > Pro Built 3
> > Partial assembly or some times 2
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  3 09:00:54 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
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Nope, it's because we have a very awake works team lead named Kas who is
inducing ideas to our minds which automatically leads to fine home made
engines.

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 16:40
An: Bill Bartlett
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun  3 09:01:34 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
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	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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Cheaper?

On Jun 3, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it  
> because we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an  
>> FOT'r for a
>> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>>
>> MGVR
>> 	Racer Built	7
>> 	Pro Built	5
>> FOT
>> 	Racer Built 19
>> 	Pro Built	3
>> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  3 09:16:56 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603151728.7D9C3188A98@autox.team.net>

The working cap on my TR-4 has between 40 and 50 thou of height 
difference between the cap measurement and the radiator "well" 
measurement.  The cap measures 0.780 to 0.790 and the radiator measures 0.740".

- Tony

At 09:24 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've replaced the cap with a new one, with all the parts in place.  It
>still runs water out of the overflow tube, so I think we may have
>another issue.
>
>I measured the distance from the top sealing seat to the lower sealing
>seat - approx. 0.750" -  and the distance on the new cap from the upper
>seal to the lower seal - approx. 0.800".  That difference (0.050")
>doesn't seem like enough of a difference to me.
>
>Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
>pressure?
>
>Scott B.

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  3 09:26:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>

Not to worry, that will work just fine.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: <Dlhogye at aol.com>
Cc: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question


> Dave,
>
> FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front end.  It 
> does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book that I think 
> is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
>
> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, body 
> off chassis etc.
>
> Hope it works!
> Todd Redmond
> Triumph TR3
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>
>> Hello Fot,
>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
>> racing. Is it
>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
>> control arms.
>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
>> about an inch.
>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
>> anyone know
>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
>> front. I
>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
>> this also
>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
>> of set up?
>> Thanks,
>> Dave H.
>>
>>
>> **************
>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 09:57:38 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:57:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
Message-ID: <e3c1952d1eb65.4a269d72@optonline.net>

<<Not to worry, that will work just fine.>>  Now thats a confidence builder!!

Thanks Kas!!

Todd Redmond


----- Original Message -----
From: Kas Kastner 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:26 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com
Cc: Fot at autox.team.net

> Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> 
> 
> > Dave,
> >
> > FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front end. It 
> > does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in a book 
> that I think 
> > is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >
> > Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely 
> apart, body 
> > off chassis etc.
> >
> > Hope it works!
> > Todd Redmond
> > Triumph TR3
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> > Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> > To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >
> >> Hello Fot,
> >> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >> racing. Is it
> >> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >> control arms.
> >> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >> about an inch.
> >> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >> anyone know
> >> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >> front. I
> >> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >> this also
> >> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >> of set up?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave H.
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
> >> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
> >> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>
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> >> Fot at autox.team.net
> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 10:02:59 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com> <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6607F7@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Graham Davies here in Austin came up with the idea to shorten the a-arms in
this simple fashion (He had also shortened the upper a-arms for me when I
owned your car). It is the easiest way to address camber and looks pretty
stock to most everybody. I flipped the lower a-arms and got rid of the spring
spacers altogether with 550 lb Triumphtune front springs and the car was about
as low as it could get.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an
inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone
know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 10:06:01 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:06:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to 
> hold the pressure?

What I did was to remove the plug where the heater valve used to be, and
temporarily put in a pipe tee with a Schrader valve on one leg and a hose
barb on the other.  To the hose barb I connected my vacuum test gauge (which
also reads pressure to 10 psi).  Pressurize the system with an air hose
through the Schrader valve, then watch what the gauge does (and where the
air/water comes out).

I agree, .050" doesn't sound like enough (but measuring the cap that
accurately may be a problem).  Note that any radiator shop can replace that
3/4" reach filler neck with a modern one (1/2"?), giving you a whole range
of standard caps to choose from.

I don't recommend what I was doing for the test above : modifying a Stant
Lev-R-Vent cap to work with the longer reach neck.  It worked, but I
invested way too much time especially considering that the radiator shop
only charged me $20 to replace the neck (in conjunction with some other
work).

Randall

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun  3 10:36:11 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906031235300.11086@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we 
> are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 10:46:02 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
TR3. You can lower the car by inverting the lower A arms, or cutting the
aluminum spacer if you are using it (as Larry did similarly). This gives you
much needed camber by using the TR6 trunnions and the TR6 upper A arms give
you positive caster that you can adjust if you use XJ6 upper ball joints. They
are narrower than the "6" uppers and adjust the caster using small shims ahead
of or behind the ball joint. This is how I built Randy Williams car, and just
did the mod on a street TR3 this past weekend. I should of snapped some
photos. Perhaps my son did.
Thanks - Ed - 

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com> wrote:


From: Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>, "Fot at autox.team.net"
<Fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:02 AM


Graham Davies here in Austin came up with the idea to shorten the a-arms in
this simple fashion (He had also shortened the upper a-arms for me when I
owned your car). It is the easiest way to address camber and looks pretty
stock to most everybody. I flipped the lower a-arms and got rid of the spring
spacers altogether with 550 lb Triumphtune front springs and the car was
about
as low as it could get.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an
inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone
know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 10:48:58 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:48:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>

Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it.  I'll have to look for a copy of 
that book.  I thought I had them all. Who published it?

Kas Kastner wrote:
> Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
> To: <Dlhogye at aol.com>
> Cc: <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
>
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front 
>> end.  It does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book 
>> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
>>
>> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, 
>> body off chassis etc.
>>
>> Hope it works!
>> Todd Redmond
>> Triumph TR3
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>> Hello Fot,
>>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
>>> racing. Is it
>>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
>>> control arms.
>>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
>>> about an inch.
>>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
>>> anyone know
>>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
>>> front. I
>>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
>>> this also
>>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
>>> of set up?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dave H.
>>>
>>>
>>> **************
>>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
>>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
>>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
>>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
>>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 10:54:12 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
Message-ID: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the road
resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump wheelbarrows
of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say that
the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
much lower.
Have I opened a can of worms now?
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:


From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we
are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 11:15:54 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B5437CE6261042E4AAEA6954C59590B0@jdnet.deere.com>

> Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
> TR3.

Correct, but don't forget the vertical link.  If you keep the TR6 caliper
bracket, I believe you'll also need the later (smaller) rotor & caliper.

-- Randall 

From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 11:21:11 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>

It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.  
Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

Randall wrote:
>> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to 
>> hold the pressure?
>>     
>
> What I did was to remove the plug where the heater valve used to be, and
> temporarily put in a pipe tee with a Schrader valve on one leg and a hose
> barb on the other.  To the hose barb I connected my vacuum test gauge (which
> also reads pressure to 10 psi).  Pressurize the system with an air hose
> through the Schrader valve, then watch what the gauge does (and where the
> air/water comes out).

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 11:26:35 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I think there are a lot of Prather engines out there in MG's. We don't have
such a ready source or we might have more pro-built motors in our ranks. Then
there is the data that we all share. It started back in the day with Kas, his
comp prep manuals and continues with him and all of us today.  WE should be
very proud, and the MG guys can eat those worms.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:54 AM
To: Larry Young; Robert Lang
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the
road
resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump wheelbarrows
of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say
that
the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
much lower.
Have I opened a can of worms now?
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:


From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we
are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 11:47:50 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
	<4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>

> It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.
> Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

True, if you can reliably detect when it opens.  In my case it was leaking
even below 'opening' pressure.  I wasn't sure if the problem was the cap or
elsewhere, hence the static test (which showed that both an old cap and a
new one failed to hold even the rated 4 psi).

-- Randall 

From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 11:54:08 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:54:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC> <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <e4feeb031e650.4a26b8c0@optonline.net>

I'll check when I get home.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Young 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Kas Kastner 
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com, Fot at autox.team.net

> Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it. I'll have to look for a 
> copy of 
> that book. I thought I had them all. Who published it?
> 
> Kas Kastner wrote:
> > Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front 
> >> end. It does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in 
> a book 
> >> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >>
> >> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine 
> completely apart, 
> >> body off chassis etc.
> >>
> >> Hope it works!
> >> Todd Redmond
> >> Triumph TR3
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >>> Hello Fot,
> >>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >>> racing. Is it
> >>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >>> control arms.
> >>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >>> about an inch.
> >>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >>> anyone know
> >>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >>> front. I
> >>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >>> this also
> >>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >>> of set up?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dave H.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
> >>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
> >>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
> >>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>>
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 12:09:47 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:09:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906031109y537170e3g921ad286b02298ca@mail.gmail.com>

I think you guys like Robert and Christian have hit on the real reason for
the disparity. The Triumph competition department was really based here with
Kas and rather than hoarding information he spread the word and still does.
The Abingdon boys never had the information that we have (as well as a
living resource like Kas) to take advantage of. That (and the fact) we're
probably much more competent than anyone that drives an MG.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>wrote:

> I think there are a lot of Prather engines out there in MG's. We don't have
> such a ready source or we might have more pro-built motors in our ranks.
> Then
> there is the data that we all share. It started back in the day with Kas,
> his
> comp prep manuals and continues with him and all of us today.  WE should be
> very proud, and the MG guys can eat those worms.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of EDWARD BARNARD
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: Larry Young; Robert Lang
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
> cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the
> road
> resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump
> wheelbarrows
> of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say
> that
> the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
> much lower.
> Have I opened a can of worms now?
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
> To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:
>
> > So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
> we
> are smarter than they are?
>
> No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.
>
> :-)
>
> rml
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang              NER/SCCA                 |  This space for rent
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>


-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 12:29:44 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <314995.30936.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Incorrect. For the purest's. the TR3 caliper is a direct bolt on to the TR6
caliper bracket. The TR3 caliper, rotor and hub can be retained. To do the mod
one needs the TR6 upper A arms, vertical link, trunnion, and upper ball joint.
You can use all the urethane bushes from a "6", even on the lower-inner A
arms. One thing that must been retained from the "3" is the steering arm. The
hole for the tierod end is a different diameter. Luckily, they bolt right up.
The arms are of different heights (and lengths) which helps when you are
trying to adjust bump steer, but if using the TR6 steering arm you need a
tierod with a larger diameter pin. I think, but am not 100% sure my memory
serves me correctly, a Stag tierod will work.
Thanks - Ed -

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 12:15 PM


> Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
> TR3.

Correct, but don't forget the vertical link.  If you keep the TR6 caliper
bracket, I believe you'll also need the later (smaller) rotor & caliper.

-- Randall
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 12:57:10 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
	<4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
	<584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B660B22@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I have one of those radiator system pump testers with a gauge and it comes
with an attachment to test caps.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Randall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:48 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Radiator Caps

> It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.
> Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

True, if you can reliably detect when it opens.  In my case it was leaking
even below 'opening' pressure.  I wasn't sure if the problem was the cap or
elsewhere, hence the static test (which showed that both an old cap and a
new one failed to hold even the rated 4 psi).

-- Randall
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun  3 15:50:55 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <16B3922F67904165B7F38B68D7931834@rocky>

> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
> pressure?
>
> Scott B.
>
>
I used to have a 7 lb cap on my G Prod (then) Spitfire with the Mk. 1 header 
tank atop the carbs.

Because it kept blowing water into the overflow bottle I went to a 15 lb. 
cap. Worked fine until I began blowing leaks in the header tank. Went back 
to the 7 lb. cap.

Later went to a Volkswagen aluminum radiator and got rid of the Mk. 1 
system.

--Rocky 

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun  3 17:48:45 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:48:45 +1000
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
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Message-ID: <95331398F61A4563B523828E7C883115@GEOFFPC>

FOT
I started building race engines in early 1970 when I decided to race a GT6 
here in Australia . I got hold of Kas book , contacted his organisation and 
imported from him all the race  parts he supplied or developed . Car went 
like a rocket ( scared the shit out of me the first time I drove it at 
Warick Farm) the motor was very reliable though the powertrain had trouble 
handling the power, i kept breaking gearboxes and axles.
Those of us who race Triumphs are all indebted to Kas for the development 
work he did and to the fact he was so willing to share this knowledge and 
provide race proven gear to all. I'm sure I would not have had the enjoyment 
from racing a Triumph without this initiative. Thanks Kas,  your influence 
extends well beyond the borders of America.
I now race a TR6 PI and while the developments have gone well beyond what 
Kas was doing the foundations are there
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer down under



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II


> Nope, it's because we have a very awake works team lead named Kas who is
> inducing ideas to our minds which automatically leads to fine home made
> engines.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Larry Young
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 16:40
> An: Bill Bartlett
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
> we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
> a
>> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>>
>> MGVR
>> Racer Built 7
>> Pro Built 5
>> FOT
>> Racer Built 19
>> Pro Built 3
>> Partial assembly or some times 2
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jun  3 19:15:24 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:15:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KKO004SXWTZ3NA2@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:38 PM 6/2/2009, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
>Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
>possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
>It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
>Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
>if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
>can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
>lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.

Dave, FWIW, I flipped the lower control arms on my TR4, which lowered 
the car about an inch.  I ran across this in a book called "How to 
Improve the TR2-TR4". I know, the title is heresy, but it had some good poop.

jim


--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 

From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 19:55:08 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] need 1x23 no good input shaft fro alignment tool
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906031855s43bfa03dnfe0c509be7409c45@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have a no good 23x1 [spit?] input shaft or clutch alignment
tool they would part with?  Tired of my method of installing my dual
disk Quarter Master clutch pack [I put the pack on the tranny shaft,
install the tranny, then align and tighten the clutch bolts to the
flywheel using a2"  hole I drilled in the bottom of the case.

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 20:50:30 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC> <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <e380ec98225b7.4a273676@optonline.net>

To All;
 
The book I mentioned is called "How to improve Triumph TR2-4A. by Roger Williams.  Its was distributed by Speed Pro Series.  Pretty good stuff in there.

Todd


----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Young 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Kas Kastner 
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com, Fot at autox.team.net

> Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it. I'll have to look for a 
> copy of 
> that book. I thought I had them all. Who published it?
> 
> Kas Kastner wrote:
> > Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front 
> >> end. It does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in 
> a book 
> >> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >>
> >> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine 
> completely apart, 
> >> body off chassis etc.
> >>
> >> Hope it works!
> >> Todd Redmond
> >> Triumph TR3
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >>> Hello Fot,
> >>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >>> racing. Is it
> >>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >>> control arms.
> >>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >>> about an inch.
> >>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >>> anyone know
> >>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >>> front. I
> >>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >>> this also
> >>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >>> of set up?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dave H.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
> >>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
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From elkhorn at core.com  Thu Jun  4 04:07:01 2009
From: elkhorn at core.com (elkhorn at core.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot]  Corvair Hub End-Float]
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 09:30:58 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
Message-ID: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>

Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 with
stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
Thanks     rob

From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun  4 10:10:50 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>

It will still work of course, and the balance bar will be closer to  
the middle, but it's easier to carry spares for one size.
I'd go with the 3/4 because it gives a lot of brake feel.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, rob wrote:

> Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel  
> masters
> would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a  
> 3/4 bore
> for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for  
> a TR6 with
> stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood  
> caliper.
> Thanks     rob
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 10:25:43 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:25:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <838257099.385251244132743660.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Rob,

With a balance bar and two different diameters things might get a bit
confusing as far as balance.

It may work fine I just don't have that experience.

I just put on a pair of 3/4 wilwood masters to reduce pedal travel. In doing
so the pedal effort goes up.

According to Carrol SmithB a stiff pedal / high effort is better so that's
what I did.

I used 3/4 bores front & rear to keep the bias simple ( in my mind anyway )



jim g


From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:30:58 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] brakes

Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar B and duel masters
would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
for the rear B  also can anyone B sujest the correct size masters for a TR6
with
stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
Thanks B  B  rob
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  4 10:36:44 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:36:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
	<FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAO9C74Pwl49KlQLhDUbCWogBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I'm going with 5/8" masters, otherwise I wouldn't be able to brake my car
properly. My muscles aren't strong enough.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2009 18:11
An: rob
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] brakes

It will still work of course, and the balance bar will be closer to
the middle, but it's easier to carry spares for one size.
I'd go with the 3/4 because it gives a lot of brake feel.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, rob wrote:

> Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel
> masters
> would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a
> 3/4 bore
> for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for
> a TR6 with
> stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood
> caliper.
> Thanks     rob
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Thu Jun  4 15:55:49 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:55:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension follow up
Message-ID: <bcb.501a1ede.37599ce5@aol.com>

FoT
   Thanks for the response to my TR suspension questions. After more
fiddling with the lower arms, I've found that flipping the TR3 arms does not
change the position or raise the location of the upright. It only lowers the
spring pan which therefore lowers the front of the car. I'm still not sure if
the TR6 trunnion can be adapted to the TR3 arms. I'm going to get my hands on
a pair tomorrow. I should be able to find out then.
   Thanks again,
    Dave H.


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From goodparts at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 18:16:54 2009
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:16:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>

Quite a few factors contribute to determining the master cylinder size 
needed.  Weight balance of the car and other factors determine the 
amount of braking desired in the front vs. rear.  Rotor size, pad 
material and caliper piston area determine the PSI of hydraulic pressure 
required to cause the desired braking in each circuit.  Master cylinder 
piston area determines the amount of mechanical force required on the 
piston to produce the desired hydraulic pressure.  And of course 
mechanical leverage determines the amount of force needed on the pedal 
to produce the required mechanical force on the master cylinder piston. 

Depending on the equipment used, the required pressure can be quite 
different in the front and rear circuits. Large rotors and calipers with 
four big pistons in the rear will not require much pressure to do alot 
of braking.  If this is used with stock calipers in the front, alot more 
hydraulic pressure will be required in the front than the rear.  A 
larger rear master cylinder will be required to keep the balance bar 
reasonably centered.  With a single piston master cylinder, the front 
and rear circuits must be designed to produce the desired braking force 
with the same hydraulic pressure.  Doing the same with a dual master 
cylinder will allow the use of two identical cylinders.  Wilwood offers 
most of their calipers with a wide range of piston sizes to help in 
balancing the system.  However, if you need to change the hydraulic 
ratio of an existing system I am sure one master cylinder costs less 
than two calipers.

Increasing the hydraulic advantage by reducing the master cylinder 
piston area or increasing the caliper piston area or increasing the 
mechanical advantage will decrease the force required on the pedal.  
Going too far can make the pedal feel spongy.  I once worked on a 550 
Spyder replica that had "spongy" brakes.  There was no problem locking 
up the brakes but it felt like there was air in the system.  I finally 
gave up trying to bleed non existent air from the system and figured out 
that there was so much mechanical and hydraulic leverage that the 
calipers were over powered and flexing with little pedal effort.  I 
reduced the mechanical leverage in the pedal by a large percentage and 
fixed the problem.  Still plenty of braking without too much pedal 
effort and now a nice firm pedal.  A larger master cylinder would have 
done the same thing.  Of course if you go too far in that direction you 
will not be able to stomp hard enough on the firm pedal to stop the car.

Richard Good
Good Parts

rob wrote:

>Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
>would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
>for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 with
>stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
>Thanks     rob
>_______________________________________________

From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 08:00:57 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:00:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup    2010
Message-ID: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 08:55:56 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:55:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c9e5ed$bb764530$3262cf90$@net>

Hey JR when is summit point new track going to open?
Did Kastner ever race on that track? (Marlboro)
If so that would be a great places to have it 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:01 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2010
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 09:11:44 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
Message-ID: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>

It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...

Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:

- Tony

Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:

It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.

look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/

I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I 
could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I 
ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.

From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 09:36:33 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:36:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>

So how does Joe Alexander drop off the FOT list?

On Jun 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Tony Drews wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as  
> I could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I  
> ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other  
> lists.
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jun  5 09:37:13 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:37:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
Message-ID: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>

FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
Mark Pendy #65 tr4

From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 09:59:22 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a bit biased, but NJMP would be the perfect venue for the Kastner Cup.
The track is owned by the same people who own VIR, so expect the same level
of professionalism when you arrive. Both tracks (Lightning and
Thunderbolt) don't award one type of car over another, so the four cylinder
cars should have a good chance of running with the six cylinder cars and
would produce some fantastic racing. SVRA and VRG both have events
there. The track is super easy to get to from all directions (~40 minutes
from Philadelphia). It's also twenty minutes away from the former Vineland
Speedway which was a roval similar to Marlboro.

As neat as Summit Point is, the track is in rough shape, even after the
repave last year and the Jefferson circuit is too small for "real" racing.

Bob Adams


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I could
> find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I ddint want
> folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 10:10:05 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:10:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm down for that, Topeka is only 530 miles, 2 or 3 hour drive for the
Fleetwood bullet train.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 9:11:44 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup B  B 2010

It LOOKED like it was plain text! B Apparently not...

Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:

- Tony

Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:

It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.

look at: B  B http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/

I am not on the FOT B list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I
could find on my address book/ B  The word will be getting out so I
ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
Fot mailing list
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 10:27:13 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
In-Reply-To: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906050927x131f031fj9e483f5668c31c25@mail.gmail.com>

Try Joe Gibbs break in oil.  I got mine from HRP [Hoerr Racing
Products]  --on the web.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Mark Pendergrass<mpendy at dishmail.net> wrote:
> FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
> leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
> Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
> Mark Pendy #65 tr4
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 11:29:29 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A BRIEF TRIUMPH HISTORY
Message-ID: <EC402CA198134F1996FB28BAA347241F@Bud>

Triumph(GB).... A motorcycle manufacturer since 1903, Triumph moved into car
production in 1923. It developed a semi-sporting image, before going out of
business in 1939. The marque was resurrected by Standard in 1945, building
sports cars until 1981, and saloons until 1984...From... Guinness Book Of Car
Facts And Feats.
Racer Bud

From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 11:39:08 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50906051039l19d037frc06658adc7b2a42a@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, didn't see the link. Maybe 2012?

Bob

From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 12:29:36 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c9e60b$94c97830$be5c6890$@net>

Bob That's what I'm talking about; it WILL be Marlboro it''''''s Summit
points new track
Not the Jefferson< Also the Jefferson is not the main track 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010

I'm a bit biased, but NJMP would be the perfect venue for the Kastner Cup.
The track is owned by the same people who own VIR, so expect the same level
of professionalism when you arrive. Both tracks (Lightning and
Thunderbolt) don't award one type of car over another, so the four cylinder
cars should have a good chance of running with the six cylinder cars and
would produce some fantastic racing. SVRA and VRG both have events
there. The track is super easy to get to from all directions (~40 minutes
from Philadelphia). It's also twenty minutes away from the former Vineland
Speedway which was a roval similar to Marlboro.

As neat as Summit Point is, the track is in rough shape, even after the
repave last year and the Jefferson circuit is too small for "real" racing.

Bob Adams


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I
could
> find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I ddint want
> folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Fot mailing list
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 13:03:09 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
proper ZDDP content?

Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover all
the bases)

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jun  5 13:30:04 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?

If you want to split hairs, you really want API SG. The reduction started 
then.

But oil that has the SL rating has been sitting "for a while" (like 10 
years) and the additives package is most likely not as effective as new 
oil would be, e.g. it's not fresh.

> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover all
> the bases)

rml
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 13:34:06 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292795@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Wow, can it really be 10 years since I bought that oil?  I'd swear I
bought it maybe 3 or 4 years ago, if that long...  Cripes, am I that old
already??

Scott
PS, I bought some fresh stuff when I stopped at the parts place to pick
up the header wrap to keep the new exhaust pipe from setting the trans
blanket on fire...   Will add the Redline ZDDP additive to it and go
racin'.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:30 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] SL-rated oil

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?

If you want to split hairs, you really want API SG. The reduction
started
then.

But oil that has the SL rating has been sitting "for a while" (like 10
years) and the additives package is most likely not as effective as new
oil would be, e.g. it's not fresh.

> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover
all
> the bases)

rml
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 13:47:37 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <461D6E10-4FB0-4EFC-8D11-A0FB916F3139@bnj.com>

Drop it in and have at it.

FWIW, here's my first startup procedure:

Put a big fan that some contractor left at your house in front of the  
radiator. Hook up the timing light. Set a flat screwdriver for the  
idle screw and wrenches for adjusting the timing where I can reach  
them. Tape cardboard over the oil cooler.

Smear a lot of moly on the cam and lifter faces, set the valves about . 
010 looser than spec,  before the initial run, dump in some cheap oil  
and some ZDDP, pump everything up to working pressure with a drill to  
drive the oil pump. Push the accusump piston to the bottom, fill the  
accusump with oil, put on the valve (closed) and pressurize it to 60  
pounds. Put the dizzy back in, open the accusump and start the motor  
when oil pressure start to drop. Once the engine starts I set the idle  
to 2000 RPM, and set the timing. I watch everything, ready to shut  
down if I need to. Let the water temp come up to normal, and if  
possible, let the engine run until oil temperature comes up to normal  
temperature. For me that's water at 190, oil over 200.

Let everything stabilize at 2000. Blip the throttle a few times to be  
sure everything sounds right. Check fuel pressure, oil pressure and  
look for leaks.

Shut down, dump the oil and look for metal or other nasties, pull the  
oil filter and cut it open, look for crap. open the accusump, let  
everything drain for half an hour or more.

If you're really feeling anal, do a leakdown of each cylinder and pull  
the head to look at the cam and lifters.

Refill with a zillion bucks worth of your favorite racing oil.

Race.

On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?
>
> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover  
> all
> the bases)
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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 14:04:36 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
Message-ID: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>

What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 14:49:46 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Why?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??

From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Jun  5 14:49:55 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>

A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.

www.sovren.org for entries etc.



FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.



Cheers

Tony Garmey





> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
name of winmail.dat]
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 14:59:41 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <37DD5B6BE3084FABB01375C4D9575616@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

It's all on Sovren's web site:

http://www.sovren.org/

Make sure to check out the car registration form in addition to the entry
form.



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of jim hearn
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:05 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?


What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?

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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Jun  5 15:22:08 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
	<BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Where should we stay, i.e. is there a place that the FoT will be gathering?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tony and Annie Garmey
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:50 PM
To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] What is needed to compete?

A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.

www.sovren.org for entries etc.



FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.



Cheers

Tony Garmey





> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
name of winmail.dat]
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun  5 15:43:59 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:43:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Why?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3FAD5AF775074D37842A97A8DCCD3A5D@jdnet.deere.com>

> Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
> prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??

Murphy was an optimist !!

-- Randall 

From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jun  5 15:49:24 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:49:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Why?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <D75CE867-F4ED-4918-9E97-CBF3EA711AF3@earthlink.net>

Somehow related to how a few drops of brake fluid will prove superior  
to the most expensive stripper - unless you actually try to use brake  
fluid AS a paint stripper in which case it won't work at all.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
> prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 16:02:45 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
	<BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <D1C18D60-BC64-4587-A7FC-6B83954D6750@bnj.com>

Kas is staying at the Red Lion close to the track, I need to hustle my  
butt over there and negotiate a rate.



On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:

> Where should we stay, i.e. is there a place that the FoT will be  
> gathering?
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On Behalf
> Of Tony and Annie Garmey
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:50 PM
> To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.
>
> www.sovren.org for entries etc.
>
>
>
> FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony Garmey
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
>> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>>
>> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race  
>> in the
>> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef  
>> which had a
> name of winmail.dat]
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Fri Jun  5 17:51:49 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>

I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had.  I bought a
new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
and I was able to shift gears.

I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
back together and watched the operation,  the arm was moving forward. In
case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
no good.

Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
with him on what he saw or did.

Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.

thanks
mike

63 Spitfire race car
70 GT6
71 Spitfire
72 Spitfire
79 Spitfire
80 Spitfire

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Jun  5 19:41:34 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:41:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
In-Reply-To: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
Message-ID: <0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>Mark Pendy #65

Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said 
failing that, Valvoline Racing Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) 
or Penzoil.  My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but Gibb's 
website says the oil should be pre-heated to 160 for full 
effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear it now: "Far up the grill, boys, 
we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a source for the Brad Penn 
juice, will look for it if you need their number in VA.

jim

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J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 

From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 19:46:27 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20090606014722.83749187672@autox.team.net>

I'm guessing he unsubscribed while on Holiday at the Monaco Grand Prix.

- Tony

At 10:36 AM 6/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote:
>So how does Joe Alexander drop off the FOT list?
>
>On Jun 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>>It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>>
>>Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>>
>>It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>>
>>look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>>
>>I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as
>>I could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I
>>ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other
>>lists.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 20:06:22 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@
	us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20090606020646.46724187672@autox.team.net>

You didn't put the clutch disk in backwards, did you?  It acts really 
strange if you do.  I triple check when assembling because it's a 
very easy mistake to make.

- Tony

At 06:51 PM 6/5/2009, George Harmuth wrote:
>I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
>the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
>since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
>the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
>worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
>1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
>way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had.  I bought a
>new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
>up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
>clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
>the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
>We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
>off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
>gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
>wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
>was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
>and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
>and I was able to shift gears.
>
>I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
>arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
>the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
>back together and watched the operation,  the arm was moving forward. In
>case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
>bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
>notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
>no good.
>
>Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
>old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
>engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
>cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
>raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
>there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
>never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
>I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
>with him on what he saw or did.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
>the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
>cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
>but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.
>
>thanks
>mike
>
>63 Spitfire race car
>70 GT6
>71 Spitfire
>72 Spitfire
>79 Spitfire
>80 Spitfire
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 20:30:07 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:30:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] You gotta see this TR3
In-Reply-To: <EC9BC172E5BD4DBA9EB6687EBADAB67C@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <1992336834.259531244062938978.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><AA35527ECB7B485196B7A22F6A92B1A3@DCS78M81><f82ece97132e3.4a28a525@optonline.net><DB6FC21A581C471DA86499B50E45289D@CarlPC>
	<26FB156B1D634E9AB7537103A4D09AA5@PetePC>
	<EC9BC172E5BD4DBA9EB6687EBADAB67C@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c9e64e$b534e530$1f9eaf90$@net>

I bet there's some Purists' flipping out now.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [TR] You gotta see this TR3

Oh NO!

I must've lived too long in Hoosierland ... I kinda like it!

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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  5 20:31:09 2009
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BAY125-W5B0EBEC07650F0299076FDA490@phx.gbl>

Mike,  On the Spit engines and the TR6/GT6 when the thrust washers wear out
they fall into the oil pan.  Check and make sure that you don't have too much
crank end play.  The pedal travel that you need to disengage the clutch is
used up in moving the crank ahead in the block.   Lorne
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:51:49 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
>
> I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
> the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
> since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
> the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
> worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
> 1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
> way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had. I bought a
> new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
> up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
> clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
> the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
> We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
> off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
> gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
> wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
> was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
> and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
> and I was able to shift gears.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
> arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
> the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
> back together and watched the operation, the arm was moving forward. In
> case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
> bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
> notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
> no good.
>
> Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
> old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
> engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
> cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
> raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
> there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
> never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
> I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
> with him on what he saw or did.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
> the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
> cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
> but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.
>
> thanks
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire race car
> 70 GT6
> 71 Spitfire
> 72 Spitfire
> 79 Spitfire
> 80 Spitfire
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From mrtommmmm at netscape.net  Fri Jun  5 22:08:48 2009
From: mrtommmmm at netscape.net (mrtommmmm at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hi guys, am i still on the fot mailist?
Message-ID: <8CBB473A06119D3-FC0-21CE@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com>

havent seen anything in over a week? 
thx ....t.a. moser

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun  6 07:18:40 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
	<0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <D15887A26F14453CA4D86928ED82EA53@hp532n>

I think that there is a ton of information out there now which is out of 
date. VR1 20w50 off the shelf at Auto Zone has ZDDP again and has for a 
while, but if we search the Internet we can find all sorts of tales about it 
not having it. We all found out too late that they took it out and now that 
it is back all we can read is that it doesn't have it. I think the same may 
be true for Castrol 20w50 and possibly others. Since cars we buy these days, 
the ones that get hurt by ZDDP,  all seem to be running 5w or 10w30 the 
marketers realized that there was no reason to sell 20w50 except for us guys 
so they are putting it back in because we were all sourcing other brands. I 
used VR1 successfully for years and now I'm back to it, with Crane Cam lube 
for break ins. That's my guess anyway.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil


> At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a 
>>person
>>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>>Mark Pendy #65
>
> Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said failing 
> that, Valvoline Racing Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) or Penzoil. 
> My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but Gibb's website says the oil 
> should be pre-heated to 160 for full effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear it 
> now: "Far up the grill, boys, we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a 
> source for the Brad Penn juice, will look for it if you need their number 
> in VA.
>
> jim
>
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> --
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> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 08:24:23 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:24:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys><0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<D15887A26F14453CA4D86928ED82EA53@hp532n>
Message-ID: <A399BC388AF54F798E9829D4F2658DE4@John>

Are Comma oils sold in the US?
Comma Classic 20W/50 is the same spec as in the late 60's/70's but with certain useful enhancers of 
modern technology oils - but also with generous dollops of ZDDP as well.

Jonmac

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "J.C. 
Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil


>I think that there is a ton of information out there now which is out of date. VR1 20w50 off the 
>shelf at Auto Zone has ZDDP again and has for a while, but if we search the Internet we can find 
>all sorts of tales about it not having it. We all found out too late that they took it out and now 
>that it is back all we can read is that it doesn't have it. I think the same may be true for 
>Castrol 20w50 and possibly others. Since cars we buy these days, the ones that get hurt by ZDDP, 
>all seem to be running 5w or 10w30 the marketers realized that there was no reason to sell 20w50 
>except for us guys so they are putting it back in because we were all sourcing other brands. I used 
>VR1 successfully for years and now I'm back to it, with Crane Cam lube for break ins. That's my 
>guess anyway.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
> To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil
>
>
>> At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
>>>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>>>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>>>Mark Pendy #65
>>
>> Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said failing that, Valvoline Racing 
>> Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) or Penzoil. My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but 
>> Gibb's website says the oil should be pre-heated to 160 for full effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear 
>> it now: "Far up the grill, boys, we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a source for the Brad 
>> Penn juice, will look for it if you need their number in VA.
>>
>> jim
>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>
>> --
>> J.C. Hassall
>> Blacksburg VA
>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
>> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Jun  6 09:10:36 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:10:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: trans-blanket
Message-ID: <43CDC286941C4CC5BDD0062CC682AEA2@Pendys>

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Pendergrass
To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: trans-blanket


Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your
e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but no
stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. Any
ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send to your
e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil question!!

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Jun  6 20:43:26 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their "universal" blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two mounting tabs to bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole bellhousing and it's wide enough to cover the front half of the trans as well.

There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the trans, but who knows.

It wasn't that expensive, either.

Scott B.


________________________________

From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net> 
To: Barr, Scott 
Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
Subject: Fw: trans-blanket 


 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>  
To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>  
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: trans-blanket

Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil question!!

From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jun  6 21:38:04 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <90A9F792-309F-4A86-AD15-45B163D8D475@bnj.com>

I've decided I prefer a metal plate to a ballistic blanket. I don't  
have any passenger legs to protect, and the zone for ballistic  
protection seems limited enough to make a steel plate a practical  
solution. There is always the possibility of bouncing stuff off the  
pavement, but I think that's a modest risk.

On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their  
> "universal" blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two  
> mounting tabs to bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole  
> bellhousing and it's wide enough to cover the front half of the  
> trans as well.
>
> There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the  
> trans, but who knows.
>
> It wasn't that expensive, either.
>
> Scott B.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: Barr, Scott
> Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
> Subject: Fw: trans-blanket
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: trans-blanket
>
> Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on  
> your e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and  
> or jegs but no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy,  
> you gotta luv it. Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65  
> tr4  PS. could not send to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for  
> the info. on my break-in oil question!!
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sat Jun  6 23:44:14 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:44:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <003701c9e732$fe35ce90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

I had taken a transmission to Diest Safety several years ago and had these 
SFI rated ballistic blankets made up.  these are about 1/2 inch layered 
balistic nylon.  They fit perfectly as they are cut to fit our 
transmissions.Tr3/4/6.  They have a reflective aluminized side where the 
header pipe is.  Several tabs up front and bolts to the transmission bell, 
wraps around and ties together on bottom with double d rings and straps. 
They use the same stuff on Dragsters and seems to work for their needs.
Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
Triple R Munitions, Inc.
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx
GMT -8 Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] trans-blanket


> We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their "universal" 
> blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two mounting tabs to 
> bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole bellhousing and it's wide 
> enough to cover the front half of the trans as well.
>
> There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the trans, 
> but who knows.
>
> It wasn't that expensive, either.
>
> Scott B.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: Barr, Scott
> Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
> Subject: Fw: trans-blanket
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: trans-blanket
>
> Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your 
> e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but 
> no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. 
> Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send 
> to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil 
> question!!
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Jun  7 08:53:18 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 07:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
Message-ID: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>

FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a couple
of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift on
intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as it
would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off by
5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some input.
Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun  7 09:47:32 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>

Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the 
closing event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between 
opening and closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you 
really want the centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the 
opening on time but the closing is two degrees late, I move the 
opening one degree earlier so I split the difference.  Then it opens 
one degree early, closes one degree late and the centerline should be 
where I want it to be.

- Tony Drews

At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
>Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a couple
>of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift on
>intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as it
>would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off by
>5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some input.
>Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Jun  7 09:58:49 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:58:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<4a2be120.180bca0a.5677.ffffb958SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E6C794E822E547A2AF256C5564762015@Pendys>

Tony and JC. THANKS, I am headed out to the shop!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] timing issues


> Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the closing 
> event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between opening and 
> closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you really want the 
> centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the opening on time but 
> the closing is two degrees late, I move the opening one degree earlier so 
> I split the difference.  Then it opens one degree early, closes one degree 
> late and the centerline should be where I want it to be.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
>>Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a 
>>couple
>>of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift 
>>on
>>intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as 
>>it
>>would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off 
>>by
>>5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some 
>>input.
>>Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>>_______________________________________________
>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jun  7 10:08:55 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:08:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
Message-ID: <CF90BA35-A349-43FA-82D7-9DF2726AC685@bnj.com>

All depends, Mark. If you have an adjustable sprocket (and it sounds  
like you do or you probably wouldn't be worrying about this) then what  
you really want to do is set the cam close to erson specs and then  
scribe a line on the sprocket to indicate that setting. Once you have  
the engine done and running in the car you may eventually stick it on  
a dyno. If you do that, cam advance is one of the most important  
things to play with.

The little change you see with the tensioner doesn't matter.  Remember  
that when the engine is running the cam chain will always be tight on  
the leading side (opposite the tensioner). You're seeing the cam chain  
pulled back by the tensioner, that's more like where the cam will be  
when the engine is running, only moreso. But the cam will work well  
over a range of settings. If you fiddle with it on the dyno you'll be  
seeing changes with settings more like 10 degrees advanced or  
retarded. In my experience a degree or so has no detectable effect.

Finally, realize that absent an adjustable sprocket the closest you  
can come to cam builder's specs is probably three degrees or so, and  
only that with a lot of sprocket flopping.


On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Mark Pendergrass wrote:

> FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I  
> have a
> Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After  
> a couple
> of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50  
> thou. lift on
> intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on  
> it as it
> would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting  
> off by
> 5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need  
> some input.
> Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jun  7 14:16:39 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:16:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>

I may be in the minority here, but I don't use the 0.050 numbers when I 
set up a cam.  I set it strictly using intake lobe centerline, which is 
what Tony is suggesting. The reason for this is that you can measure the 
centerline more accurately.  Rather than just measuring at 0.050 on each 
side, I suggest you measure the open and closing angles at lifts of 
0.200, 0.250 and 0.300 or something similar.  This will give 6 numbers 
that when averaged will give a very accurate centerline number.  
Probably overkill when you can only get within + or - 2 degrees, but you 
will know what you've got.  And yes, always turn the crank in the 
direction the motor turns, so you have tension on the chain.
Larry Young

Tony Drews wrote:
> Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the 
> closing event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between 
> opening and closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you really 
> want the centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the opening 
> on time but the closing is two degrees late, I move the opening one 
> degree earlier so I split the difference.  Then it opens one degree 
> early, closes one degree late and the centerline should be where I 
> want it to be.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>> FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I 
>> have a
>> Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After 
>> a couple
>> of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. 
>> lift on
>> intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on 
>> it as it
>> would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting 
>> off by
>> 5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need 
>> some input.
>> Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jun  7 16:18:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
	<4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <44CA6EC9-85A9-4A20-A77C-28E9800BF7E3@bnj.com>

I agree, I always use centerlines. If for no other reason than it's  
easier.  I always degree the cam anyway to see what I've got. I go the  
extra mile and do it for each cylinder so I can detect any grinding  
errors. I once sent a cam back for a substantial error on the #4  
cylinder.

Doesn't take that long, especially if I have the wife reading the dial  
indicator as I advance the motor.  I also always use an adjustable  
sprocket so I can tweak the advance. Of course having done that I  
haven't stuck a motor on the dyno in years, so it's a waste of money.

On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> I may be in the minority here, but I don't use the 0.050 numbers  
> when I set up a cam.  I set it strictly using intake lobe  
> centerline, which is what Tony is suggesting. The reason for this is  
> that you can measure the centerline more accurately.  Rather than  
> just measuring at 0.050 on each side, I suggest you measure the open  
> and closing angles at lifts of 0.200, 0.250 and 0.300 or something  
> similar.  This will give 6 numbers that when averaged will give a  
> very accurate centerline number.  Probably overkill when you can  
> only get within + or - 2 degrees, but you will know what you've  
> got.  And yes, always turn the crank in the direction the motor  
> turns, so you have tension on the chain.
> Larry Young

From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Jun  7 16:36:19 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:36:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] billet Crankshaft
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
	<4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c9e7c0$60e383b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Please forgive me for bombing this list this way...  but, this piece is for 
TR racers and is unique.

I have a brand new spare billet TR3/4 Crower crank.  This is the one with 
with the "dummy mains".  Picture of these is on the front of the FOT www 
site.  This is the same one I had made for a group on this list some time 
previously.  I was going to use it for a second race car for my son but, 
decided to get him a TR6 racer instead.  It has standard TR 3/4 mains and 
rods.  The rear real is not the scroll but o ring type seal commonly 
available.

If interested... let me know off- line



Mordy


M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
Triple R Munitions, Inc.
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx
GMT -8 Pacific

From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Jun  7 17:10:57 2009
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy
In-Reply-To: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer>
References: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <4A2C4901.6000504@twcny.rr.com>

Mark,

He means Rocker Arm Specialist, Anderson, CA. You can find 'em with a Google 
search. I have not used them for lifter work. I've used Integral Cams, 
http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had a problem. His prices for a 
hardness check and a regrind have skyrocketed though.

Ed Woods

I called Rocker Arm specialists and they still charge $2.50 each - such a deal. I wish I hadn't thrown all those old lifters away, I would love to send two sets just to have a spare set on the shelf.

Best,

M

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jun  7 20:56:52 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks
Message-ID: <000001c9e7e4$c69345f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Anyone got a good trick for remove the spring lock type retainers?  I
can come up with several ways to remove them that would end up making
them useless but I would like to save them if I can.  In case I do
destroy them, I have a new set.  These are on Wiseco pistons.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Jun  8 07:34:19 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:34:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem solved
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6296.1244294322.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF95950C30.D47A7D01-ON852575CF.004604B4-852575CF.004A8C3A@us.ibm.com>

Thanks for all the suggestions, as soon as I read about the disk being in
backwards I had a Homer Simpson DOH moment. Pulled the tranny Saturday
morning, found the disk in backwards. While I had it out I checked for some
of the other suggested conditions that could have caused the first one to
exhibit the abnormal wear but everything looked / measured OK. I put things
back together and went for a nice, uneventful ride Saturday night. Now that
it's fixed, my son has stolen it from me again, I guess it's time to put
the 1500 back on the road.

thanks
mike h

From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Jun  8 13:14:59 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle
In-Reply-To: <FEE21617140C4623B590ADE55B953406@rocky>
References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com>
	<FEE21617140C4623B590ADE55B953406@rocky>
Message-ID: <8CBB6848D0C91A3-5E4-83F@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com>

 Bob,

The splined competition Spitfire axles are available from the UK.? A little time on the internet you should come across them.? Can't remember the place I saw them but start with the Triumph Sports Six Club there and check their links.?? 

Good luck ,
Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: list at mackenzie.aero; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: list at mackenzie.aero
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 1:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle









Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of early 
"competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've had in my 
Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years ago) have 
always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the hub from 
outside to inside.?
?

Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange that 
connects outer axle to inner axle.?
?

Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend 
Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar 
business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). 
dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774.?
?

--Rocky Entriken?
?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <list at mackenzie.aero>?

To: <fot at autox.team.net>?

Cc: <list at mackenzie.aero>?

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM?

Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle?
?


>I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can?

> help me out.?

>?

> For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4?

> (FC921) that I autocross.  Although I don?t have the full history of?

> the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some?

> point before being campaigned as an  autocross car into the 80s.  I?

> bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early?

> 2008.?

>?

> When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and?

> re-installed them.  One of the first projects was addressing the rear?

> suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff.  I recall pulling?

> the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and?

> putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I?

> don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive?

> shafts were anything out of the ordinary.  One feature that did catch?

> my eye is that the wheel studs.  They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5?

> inches long.  I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be?

> used to adjust track as required.?

>?

> Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I?

> discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear.  [I ended up dusting?

> off my street 1500 and having a great day  of racing but that?s?

> another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ]?

>?

> I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and?

> was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual?

> tapered shaft with keyway.?

>?

> Photo:  http://tinyurl.com/spitspline?

>?

> My question are:?

>?

> Has anybody else seen this set-up??

> Who made this??

> Where are the shafts from??

>?

> Any help will be appreciated.?

>?

> Robert MacKenzie?

> Austin, TX?

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From billsohl at optonline.net  Mon Jun  8 18:47:32 2009
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:47:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <EE8BDAD9F1A54E27B37D29335454A6A0@SohlPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:47 AM
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox


> Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
> races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
> _______________________________________________

Actually around here (Cablevision Territory) I have Speed Channel in HD 
also.

Cheers,
Bill Sohl

From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 06:02:26 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:02:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e7e4$c69345f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <1059757870.2183361244548946670.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I assume you are talking about "spiral lock rings".B  I use a dentist pick to
install and remove them without damage.

ron K.

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 10:56:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks

Anyone got a good trick for remove the spring lock type retainers? B I
can come up with several ways to remove them that would end up making
them useless but I would like to save them if I can. B In case I do
destroy them, I have a new set. B These are on Wiseco pistons.
B 
Thanks,
B 
Greg
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 11:11:31 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:11:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
	<4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6C1DE522C4944013913AC097AE11753C@RobPC>

Thanks to everyone  for the input   It looks like i will need a test day to 
get these brakes set up the right way.
  The rear at pressent have to much pad area ,it looks like they will need a 
less grippy pad . and increase to a 7/8 bore on the rear master.  thanks 
rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
To: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] brakes


> Quite a few factors contribute to determining the master cylinder size 
> needed.  Weight balance of the car and other factors determine the amount 
> of braking desired in the front vs. rear.  Rotor size, pad material and 
> caliper piston area determine the PSI of hydraulic pressure required to 
> cause the desired braking in each circuit.  Master cylinder piston area 
> determines the amount of mechanical force required on the piston to 
> produce the desired hydraulic pressure.  And of course mechanical leverage 
> determines the amount of force needed on the pedal to produce the required 
> mechanical force on the master cylinder piston.
> Depending on the equipment used, the required pressure can be quite 
> different in the front and rear circuits. Large rotors and calipers with 
> four big pistons in the rear will not require much pressure to do alot of 
> braking.  If this is used with stock calipers in the front, alot more 
> hydraulic pressure will be required in the front than the rear.  A larger 
> rear master cylinder will be required to keep the balance bar reasonably 
> centered.  With a single piston master cylinder, the front and rear 
> circuits must be designed to produce the desired braking force with the 
> same hydraulic pressure.  Doing the same with a dual master cylinder will 
> allow the use of two identical cylinders.  Wilwood offers most of their 
> calipers with a wide range of piston sizes to help in balancing the 
> system.  However, if you need to change the hydraulic ratio of an existing 
> system I am sure one master cylinder costs less than two calipers.
>
> Increasing the hydraulic advantage by reducing the master cylinder piston 
> area or increasing the caliper piston area or increasing the mechanical 
> advantage will decrease the force required on the pedal.  Going too far 
> can make the pedal feel spongy.  I once worked on a 550 Spyder replica 
> that had "spongy" brakes.  There was no problem locking up the brakes but 
> it felt like there was air in the system.  I finally gave up trying to 
> bleed non existent air from the system and figured out that there was so 
> much mechanical and hydraulic leverage that the calipers were over powered 
> and flexing with little pedal effort.  I reduced the mechanical leverage 
> in the pedal by a large percentage and fixed the problem.  Still plenty of 
> braking without too much pedal effort and now a nice firm pedal.  A larger 
> master cylinder would have done the same thing.  Of course if you go too 
> far in that direction you will not be able to stomp hard enough on the 
> firm pedal to stop the car.
>
> Richard Good
> Good Parts
>
> rob wrote:
>
>>Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
>>would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 
>>bore
>>for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 
>>with
>>stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
>>Thanks     rob
>>_______________________________________________

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  9 13:00:37 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over the
microphone area?

Scott

From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  9 13:07:32 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:07:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the  
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS  
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over  
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  9 13:12:13 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:12:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929C6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

So far, I'm not terribly impressed, but then I only paid about $99 for
it, so I can't really complain.  I've been thinking about using it as a
rearward-facing camera, with something a little better looking out
front.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 13:30:13 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <1269940870.1614491244575567625.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1898633200.1615841244575813841.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Scott,

I read some reviews on that camera and there were some complaints about wind
noise

even with the microphone taped over. There seems to be wind leakage around the
...lens ?

There are a lot of unhappy customers.
Just today I'm ordering the go-pro camera from ebay with the wide angle lens
for a rearward view.

They can be had for 138.00 .



jim g





----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 1:12:13 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

So far, I'm not terribly impressed, but then I only paid about $99 for
it, so I can't really complain. B I've been thinking about using it as a
rearward-facing camera, with something a little better looking out
front.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise? B Can one simply tape a piece of foam over
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 14:18:02 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:18:02 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to windnoise? Planning on 
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the windshield. Reason: anticipate 
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope?

Jonmac 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 10 00:38:20 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:38:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
In-Reply-To: <3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAGi+YUAjCcFNnZFJVwWlklUBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I use a Panasonic SD cam mounted behind the seats. My bracket has a little
windshield and I tape over the micro and the result is okay. The windshield
in front of the micro is the important factor to reduce wind noise.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von John Macartney
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 22:18
An: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to
windnoise? Planning on
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the
windshield. Reason: anticipate
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope?

Jonmac
_______________________________________________

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jun 10 09:19:19 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage racer - any one know him?
Message-ID: <380-220096310151919576@M2W034.mail2web.com>

Hi gang!

Some HQ folks from the government program I work for came down for a big
meeting yesterday, and we ended up all going to dinner. During dinner, I
found out one of the guy's fathers raced a TR-3 (and several other cars)
back in the day! My HQ guy grew up crewing for his dad and learned how to
drive on an Alfa Romeo Berlina (extremely small world, as I almost learned
to drive on my dad's Berlina, but ended up learning on a neighbor's Vega
and my grandmother's Skylark).

Unfortunately, he did not remember his dad's numbers, but his name was
Harold Richmond and they raced with SCCA and in the north-eastern and
central areas -- he made mention of some course I had never heard of in
Canada. He said they also did hillclimbs.

Anyone remember or know of a Harold Richmond (he passed away in 1975)?

Thanks,
Susan     :)



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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 10 09:35:39 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:35:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
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Message-ID: <78160561.1837791244648139583.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have the same wind noise problem. I have added some foam rubber around the mic 

for this weekend. If that doesn't work I'm going to try a velcro-on leather cover 

over the entire camera. My camera doesn't have a port for an external mic. 

For those who do have the port, a remote mic with foam and positioned out 

of the wind will cure it. Might get some intersting sound from the trunk. 



Jim G. 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:38:20 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam 

I use a Panasonic SD cam mounted behind the seats. My bracket has a little 
windshield and I tape over the micro and the result is okay. The windshield 
in front of the micro is the important factor to reduce wind noise. 

Cheers 
Chris 

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im 
Auftrag von John Macartney 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 22:18 
An: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net 
Betreff: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam 

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to 
windnoise? Planning on 
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the 
windshield. Reason: anticipate 
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope? 

Jonmac 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun 10 12:47:28 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:47:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
Message-ID: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>

Hello Gang, Thanks for all the help everyone has given me in getting the TR7
Dolly Sprint car going.  Tomorrow she leaves on the Glenwood Spring Rally and
still has a long list of issues.  The most pressing is she will not pass our
local emissions test.  At high revs, I've leaned it out to where she does
fine.  At idle the HC goes way up.  The car has SU carbs of a type I'm not
real familiar with I guess they are HIF? with the float bowls on the bottoms
where the adjusting nuts would normally be.  The car cruises OK but off the
line stutters and stumbles.  It has a stock distributor with the Allison
ignition.  I seem to be albe to set the timing fine at about 12 degrees at
idle.  At 8 degrees it really stinks.  Any ideas?



Cheers, Henry Morrison TR6 and 7 to Denver tomorrow...................

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 10 13:12:00 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <353266.27256.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Last month I nominated Pat Barber to membership in this esteemed
group.
It was seconded by Marty Sukey.

I gave the wrong address for him. It
should have been pat at patrickbarber.com.

Mark, please add him to the group.
Thanks,

Doug
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun 10 15:55:18 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> At idle the HC goes way up.  

High HC indicates misfiring (possibly only partially).  Might be due to
mixture too lean, but I would suspect ignition problems first.  Make sure
the Allison module is getting a full 12v, and that the coil is getting the
voltage it expects.  IOW, if the coil requires a ballast resistor, the
Allison should get power from before the resistor.

FWIW, on one of my Stags with an Allison, the shutter assembly didn't fit
over the point cam properly, and had been broken and glued.  The break was
spread open, meaning that the timing was different for each cylinder.  Also,
when I fitted a Crane (which is very similar to the Allison) to my TR3, I
had a terrible time getting the phasing just right.  Eventually figured out
that the rotor had a "counterweight" cast into it that was thumping the
pickup on every revolution.

In both cases, the engine never did seem to run quite as well with the
optical pickup, as with points.

Randall

From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 10 16:33:21 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>

I have just heard that Carl Swanson, my long time friend and driver in the
glory days of Triumph in the USA and National Champion in 1966 has died of
cancer.

Carl was a fantastic driver in his Morgan and then my GT-6 & TR-6. He did  the
prototype and tuning driving for the Competition Department in the GT-6 cars
and then campaigned the GT-6 in the S.C.C.A events.

Carl also drove the Kastner Brophy Racing TR-6 and was a hard competitor and
fun guy. We will miss Carl Swanson, good man.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]

From gaf3 at charter.net  Wed Jun 10 16:41:32 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A30369C.50205@charter.net>

dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:
> Hello Gang, Thanks for all the help everyone has given me in getting the TR7
> Dolly Sprint car going.  Tomorrow she leaves on the Glenwood Spring Rally and
> still has a long list of issues.  The most pressing is she will not pass our
> local emissions test.  At high revs, I've leaned it out to where she does
> fine.  At idle the HC goes way up.  The car has SU carbs of a type I'm not
> real familiar with I guess they are HIF? with the float bowls on the bottoms
> where the adjusting nuts would normally be.  The car cruises OK but off the
> line stutters and stumbles.  It has a stock distributor with the Allison
> ignition.  I seem to be albe to set the timing fine at about 12 degrees at
> idle.  At 8 degrees it really stinks.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison TR6 and 7 to Denver tomorrow...................
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
>
>
>   
When you lean out the mixture, believe it or not HC goes up. When you 
enrich the mixture your CO will climb.
Maybe you already know this. I'm not sure but doesn't the HIF's have 
mixture screws for idle?

Glenn Franco
72 Spit race car

From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Jun 10 17:17:52 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 New Oil Sender Line.
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS47C34A02F2B0C0D54D2B7C3450@phx.gbl>

Grettings folks.

I decided to change out the flex line for my OP gauge because it was starting
to seep some.  I have replaced this thing a couple times before in the 28 odd
years I have been driving the car, so I looked for another solution.  I gave
Ted Schumacher a call and he sent me a complete "aeroquip" type braided
stainless line that goes from the fitting near the fuel pump all the way to
the instrument.

Install was straightforward, with the proviso that you put some TFE paste on
the threads of the gauge itself where the hose adapter connects. I also had to
use different clamps than the stock steel pipe on the firewall, but a trip to
the hardware yielded some nice plastic wire loom clips that work great.

This won't be for someone entering judged shows, but if you are like me, and I
suspect most of you are, and you drive your TR3 this makes for a nice, good
looking in a racer kind of way, fix.  It also simplifies the install as it
elminates one connection in the circuit.  And simple is better, yes?

Price is reasonable too.

Thanks for a good product Ted.



Terry Stetler.

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 10 17:42:44 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 New Oil Sender Line.
Message-ID: <514041.92029.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I too put one of Ted's OP gauge lines in my TR4 earlier this Spring.
Very nice - I should be good for the next 50 years.

Dennis


>
> I decided to change out the flex line for my OP gauge
> because it was starting
> to seep some.  I have replaced this thing a couple
> times before in the 28 odd
> years I have been driving the car, so I looked for another
> solution.  I gave
> Ted Schumacher a call and he sent me a complete "aeroquip"
> type braided
> stainless line that goes from the fitting near the fuel
> pump all the way to
> the instrument.
>
> Install was straightforward, with the proviso that you put
> some TFE paste on
> the threads of the gauge itself where the hose adapter
> connects. I also had to
> use different clamps than the stock steel pipe on the
> firewall, but a trip to
> the hardware yielded some nice plastic wire loom clips that
> work great.
>
> This won't be for someone entering judged shows, but if you
> are like me, and I
> suspect most of you are, and you drive your TR3 this makes
> for a nice, good
> looking in a racer kind of way, fix.  It also
> simplifies the install as it
> elminates one connection in the circuit.  And simple
> is better, yes?
>
> Price is reasonable too.
>
> Thanks for a good product Ted.
>
>
>
> Terry Stetler.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Jun 11 06:03:34 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:03:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>
References: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
	<20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W106B8DB9A584E21A09C18A90420@phx.gbl>

Thanks, I'll check out all that.  I have noticed that the voltage at the coil
is low, like 7.5 volts.  when the battery gets low, as the charging system is
giving me fits, the car seems to run worse.  I'll take my computer and give
the list the blow by blow.  I'll also take a look at the fuel
pressure...............Cheers Henry

> From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:55:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
>
> > At idle the HC goes way up.
>
> High HC indicates misfiring (possibly only partially). Might be due to
> mixture too lean, but I would suspect ignition problems first. Make sure
> the Allison module is getting a full 12v, and that the coil is getting the
> voltage it expects. IOW, if the coil requires a ballast resistor, the
> Allison should get power from before the resistor.
>
> FWIW, on one of my Stags with an Allison, the shutter assembly didn't fit
> over the point cam properly, and had been broken and glued. The break was
> spread open, meaning that the timing was different for each cylinder. Also,
> when I fitted a Crane (which is very similar to the Allison) to my TR3, I
> had a terrible time getting the phasing just right. Eventually figured out
> that the rotor had a "counterweight" cast into it that was thumping the
> pickup on every revolution.
>
> In both cases, the engine never did seem to run quite as well with the
> optical pickup, as with points.
>
> Randall
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun 11 06:32:22 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:32:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
Ambro.

Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.

His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com

Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?

Scott B.

From emanteno at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 06:33:44 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>

I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.

;-)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> Ambro.
>
> Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
> His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>
> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 07:27:32 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:27:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>

Thanks Irv and Scott.

I am surprised that it requires a high powered Wisconsin Lawyer and a 
Captain of Industry to get this done. But whatever it takes. I miss the list.

Gary Fuqua is also experiencing 30+ days of List Withdrawal.

Thanks,

Joe


> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee 
> buying dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
> 
> ;-)

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Jun 11 07:30:13 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:30:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040D9F916B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Mark Van Lake is back on the list. Maybe you are next in line?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:28 AM
To: emanteno at gmail.com; sbarr at mccarty-law.com
Cc: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

Thanks Irv and Scott.

I am surprised that it requires a high powered Wisconsin Lawyer and a
Captain of Industry to get this done. But whatever it takes. I miss the list.

Gary Fuqua is also experiencing 30+ days of List Withdrawal.

Thanks,

Joe


> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee
> buying dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>
> ;-)
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 11 07:40:14 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:40:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090611134054.B289B187670@autox.team.net>

I think Joe's problem is that his ISP is essentially AOL.  It appears 
that AOL has taken a dislike to autox.team.net in all forms.  I 
suggested that Joe use an alternate e-mail address that is less 
likely to be blocked.  He does have an alternate address that could 
be used.  Otherwise, I've set up g-mail addresses for that kind of 
thing.  For a while, I had a rule that forwarded all FOT e-mail to an 
alternate address for Christian Marx when HIS ISP blocked stuff.  I 
could do that if necessary.  You'd only get FOT e-mails while my 
e-mail program is running, though.

- Tony Drews

At 07:32 AM 6/11/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>Ambro.
>
>Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
>list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
>His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>
>Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
>Scott B.

From list at mackenzie.aero  Thu Jun 11 08:54:17 2009
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1147 Distributor
Message-ID: <000601c9eaa4$7ee060e0$7ca122a0$@aero>

Does anybody have a decent 1147 distributor they can part with?

From wredinger at oppd.com  Thu Jun 11 09:44:18 2009
From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31AA6ED09FA@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>

Hold him hostage for some of his Monaco F1 Photo's and stories!

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey
Sent: Thursday,
June 11, 2009 7:34 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com;
fot at autox.team.net; Mark J Bradakis
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

I will
second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
dinner
for me last week as he passed through Chicago.

;-)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009
at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> There's a guy here
in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> list.  He's been a
Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> of you.  He's messing
with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> Ambro.
>
> Name of Joe
Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> list now.
Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
> His e-mail address is
N197TR4 at cs.com
>
> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
>
Scott B.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 11 10:19:40 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:19:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>

FWIW I stopped receiving all the list emails a year or so ago. Went round and
round with my ISP for a couple of months. They kept on saying it wasn't
them:). . I ended up creating a hotmail account and sent all my list emails to
the hotmail address and everything has worked fine since then. Well at least
all my email stuff has worked fine......



Marty


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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 10:21:20 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 80mpg   no lbc
Message-ID: <97D9358F41054BD69DEC1DB31AD4A291@RobPC>

Langford Preformance Engineering (www.ipengines.com)   has installed a  self
lubricating minny turbine (www.capstoneturbine) into a seven passenger Ford
minny van with no overall wght. increase.   pretty coool    rob

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 10:28:07 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:28:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] List issues
Message-ID: <d53.4ddfd4fb.37628a97@cs.com>

I am going to try another email address as Tony D suggests.  I have an 
address on my website that is set up to go to my AOL/CS email account.



> FWIW I stopped receiving all the list emails a year or so ago. Went round 
> and round with my ISP for a couple of months. They kept on saying it 
> wasn't them:). . I ended up creating a hotmail account and sent all my list 
> emails to the hotmail address and everything has worked fine since then. Well 
> at least all my email stuff has worked fine......
>  
> Marty

From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Thu Jun 11 10:53:39 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:53:39 EDT
Subject: [Fot] enroll
Message-ID: <d5e.4f029536.37629093@aol.com>

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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 11 14:08:35 2009
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:08:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>

I dunno... should we let just anybody in?

I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
wine fanatics...

This could get out of hand y'know.

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon



That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...







> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
> From: emanteno at gmail.com
> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>
> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>
> ;-)
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>
> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> > list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> > of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> > Ambro.
> >
> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> > list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
> >
> > His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
> >
> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
> >
> > Scott B.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Thu Jun 11 14:09:38 2009
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C656CEB2.2FE0%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Hey!!!!


On 6/11/09 3:08 PM, "greenman62 at hotmail.com" <greenman62 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I dunno... should we let just anybody in?
> 
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
> wine fanatics...
> 
> This could get out of hand y'know.
> 
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon
> 
> 
> 
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
>> From: emanteno at gmail.com
>> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
>> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>> 
>> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
>> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>>> list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>>> of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>>> Ambro.
>>> 
>>> Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
>>> list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>>> 
>>> His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>>> 
>>> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>>> 
>>> Scott B.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
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>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 14:12:12 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:12:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A56CA314A723430DBC9A267FCC7D03D1@Bud>

Wine Fanatics!.....Wine Fanatics!.....5pm...every evening here in Sonoma, 
Ca....IT'S THE LAW!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
To: <emanteno at gmail.com>; <sbarr at mccarty-law.com>
Cc: "Joe alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
<mjb at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination


>I dunno... should we let just anybody in?
>
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
> wine fanatics...
>
> This could get out of hand y'know.
>
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon
>
>
>
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
>> From: emanteno at gmail.com
>> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
>> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>>
>> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee 
>> buying
>> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>> > list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>> > of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>> > Ambro.
>> >
>> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the 
>> > FOT
>> > list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>> >
>> > His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>> >
>> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>> >
>> > Scott B.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> >
>> > http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >
>> > Fot mailing list
>> > Fot at autox.team.net
>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 18:35:52 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CBB90CDFDD1811-15C0-136E@webmail-dx15.sysops.aol.com>

does your message mean I am back on....or what?

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com
To: emanteno at gmail.com; sbarr at mccarty-law.com
Cc: Joe alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 3:08 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination


I dunno... should we let just anybody in? 

I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and wine fanatics... 

This could get out of hand y'know.

Greg Petrolati?? Lafayette, Oregon 

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 





> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
> From: emanteno at gmail.com
> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
> 
> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> > list. He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> > of you. He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> > Ambro.
> >
> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> > list now. Anybody with a second? He's wacky, but one of us.
> >
> > His e-mail address is N197TR4 at cs.com
> >
> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
> >
> > Scott B.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 16:31:02 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:31:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
In-Reply-To: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>
References: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>
Message-ID: <B4F66BCD-4386-4DFA-8EC1-301EEFB818A9@comcast.net>

His legacy lives on, though.  Running my GT-6 in a Pennsylvania  
hillclimb this weekend.  I can only wish that my work would leave  
behind something that helps other people have so much fun!  The  
knowledge you guys developed and passed along is unquestionably part  
of my old SCCA car that started competing at least as early as 1971 on  
the West Coast - no logbooks existed before that.

On Jun 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

I have just heard that Carl Swanson, my long time friend and driver in  
the
glory days of Triumph in the USA and National Champion in 1966 has  
died of
cancer.

Carl was a fantastic driver in his Morgan and then my GT-6 & TR-6. He  
did  the
prototype and tuning driving for the Competition Department in the  
GT-6 cars
and then campaigned the GT-6 in the S.C.C.A events.

Carl also drove the Kastner Brophy Racing TR-6 and was a hard  
competitor and
fun guy. We will miss Carl Swanson, good man.

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name of Kas Kastner.vcf]
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 21:17:16 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] testing
Message-ID: <8CBB9236C21E0B7-13F4-1ADC@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jun 11 21:46:20 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
	<BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>

Many people knowingly and willing waste their money on AOL.

May God have mercy on their souls.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jun 11 22:03:58 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:03:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
	<BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
	<4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4A31D3AE.2040808@bradakis.com>

By the way, a LOT of the list issues like non-member, oversized posts,
AOL stupidity and such would be non-existent in a forum based situation,
like http://www.team.net/forums

mjb.

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun 12 07:17:46 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire front bumper, for squaretail
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292BFB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Does anybody have a front bumper for a squaretail Spitfire they'd like
to sell?

Scott

From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jun 12 07:32:51 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
Message-ID: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>

With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the 
camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I 
say with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to 
get too large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, 
so (I hope) the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and 
some of their pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't 
like the choices available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've 
developed two cams, the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see 
Testimonials) and a newly developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 
cam requires a full sized lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford 
lifter.   I would like to do a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a 
street cam with about 275 degrees and 0.330 lift  All of my cams are 
quick opening/closing and high lift compared to others with a similar 
duration. All I need is four firm orders to justify cutting a master.  I 
plan to get into TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.  I've now got a Cam 
Doctor, so I will soon be able to accurately measure camshaft profiles 
as a service. If you're interested in any of this contact me off list.
Larry Young

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jun 12 07:57:52 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906120942330.2710@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I read my old-fashioned mail in batches, usually when the stack on the 
chair gets knocked over by one of the cats...

At ay rate, I unfolded the 2009 Mid Ohio events brochure and there's a 
really nice picture of what appears to be Bill Tobin's TR6 cresting what 
appears to be the top of the hill in the esses.

The picture is for the promo for the Vintage event at the end of June.

Kool!

rml
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 08:10:50 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
In-Reply-To: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
References: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906120710n6e08ea79vb26b9dde6b3c8b7e@mail.gmail.com>

Larry,
Thanks for that great web site.  I have learned more cam theory in 20
minutes than I knew through a life of experience!  Looking forward to
you designing a high performance [i.e.race] cam for the TR6.
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Larry Young<cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
> With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the
> camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I say
> with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to get too
> large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, so (I hope)
> the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and some of their
> pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't like the choices
> available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've developed two cams,
> the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see Testimonials) and a newly
> developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 cam requires a full sized
> lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford lifter.   I would like to do
> a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a street cam with about 275 degrees
and
> 0.330 lift  All of my cams are quick opening/closing and high lift compared
> to others with a similar duration. All I need is four firm orders to
justify
> cutting a master.  I plan to get into TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.
>  I've now got a Cam Doctor, so I will soon be able to accurately measure
> camshaft profiles as a service. If you're interested in any of this contact
> me off list.
> Larry Young
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri Jun 12 08:40:07 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
References: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c9eb6b$aea02a50$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

It maybe commercial but, oh so nice.  Would love to have this on the FOT 
site as a link.


Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
GMT -8 Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement


> With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the 
> camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I 
> say with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to get 
> too large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, so (I 
> hope) the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and some of 
> their pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't like the 
> choices available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've developed 
> two cams, the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see Testimonials) 
> and a newly developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 cam requires a 
> full sized lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford lifter.   I 
> would like to do a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a street cam with 
> about 275 degrees and 0.330 lift  All of my cams are quick opening/closing 
> and high lift compared to others with a similar duration. All I need is 
> four firm orders to justify cutting a master.  I plan to get into 
> TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.  I've now got a Cam Doctor, so I will 
> soon be able to accurately measure camshaft profiles as a service. If 
> you're interested in any of this contact me off list.
> Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 12 09:34:58 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:34:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906120942330.2710@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <01d401c9eb73$588494a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all, yes, that's me in the photo. I hadn't gotten my copy in the mail,
but Sam Halkius e-mailed me about it; On the cover of the Rolling Stone is
how he phrased it. Thanks Sam.
  I'll be at MO, but without the car. A lot of trial and tribulations this
year.
  I am signed up for BeaveRun in mid-July though. I encourage anyone else to
do that event. Fun track, nice people, and for a good cause. Part of PVGP.
  See you at the races, Bill.----- Original Message -----
  From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure


  > Hi,
  >
  > I read my old-fashioned mail in batches, usually when the stack on the
  > chair gets knocked over by one of the cats...
  >
  > At ay rate, I unfolded the 2009 Mid Ohio events brochure and there's a
  > really nice picture of what appears to be Bill Tobin's TR6 cresting what
  > appears to be the top of the hill in the esses.
  >
  > The picture is for the promo for the Vintage event at the end of June.
  >
  > Kool!
  >
  > rml


> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
  > Bob Lang              NER/SCCA                 |  This space for rent
  > Solo Chair 2008       TR6 40 F Prepared        |  Triumph!
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 12 09:50:07 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:50:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <d0f.4d310cb1.3763d32f@cs.com>

But I miss racer Bud.....

Looking forward to Portland, BTW. No tow likely for this one and may use 
airline, but plan to be there.  Joe A


> I dunno... should we let just anybody in? 
> 
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and 
> wine fanatics... 
> 
> This could get out of hand y'know.
> 
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon 
> 
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Jun 12 18:13:21 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
Message-ID: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>

I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.

Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!

But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped with
a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis asked
me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth the
asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
those spares.

(And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)

--Rocky Entriken

PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
to get on when a new member is approved.

From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jun 12 18:21:42 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <C0BBF7AD-12AD-44B5-AA56-8F06BB0B27B4@charter.net>

Second for two more Spitfire Drivers. Welcome!!
On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote:

> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this  
> list.
>
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of  
> Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them  
> to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers  
> in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class  
> to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out  
> and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already  
> equipped with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on  
> this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When  
> Dennis asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was  
> worth the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built  
> from
> those spares.
>
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten  
> them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is  
> for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Jun 12 18:37:14 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:37:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330906121737n19d454bew7b6d0fb4fad4129e@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded! Anybody who can beat Rocky in a Spit is ok by me!
:)


On 6/12/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
>
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped
> with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis
> asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth
> the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
> those spares.
>
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 12 18:49:29 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:49:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
	<d9f7bd330906121737n19d454bew7b6d0fb4fad4129e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBB5643A3B024DE4B8D0FE17B83D18F3@Bud>

A Hearty Welcome from Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in...Nor Cal!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; ".Triumph List" 
<fot at autox.team.net>; "Smith, Dennis/Nancy" <smnck at kansas.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy


> Seconded! Anybody who can beat Rocky in a Spit is ok by me!
> :)
>
>
> On 6/12/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
>>
>> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina 
>> Region
>> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
>> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
>> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to 
>> remain
>> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>>
>> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
>> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped
>> with
>> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this 
>> list.
>> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis
>> asked
>> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was 
>> worth
>> the
>> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
>> those spares.
>>
>> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them 
>> yet
>> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>>
>> --Rocky Entriken
>>
>> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for 
>> them
>> to get on when a new member is approved.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 12 18:57:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HSR WEST RACE AT INFINEON
Message-ID: <05F7D757A4514845AD412069C36F8355@Bud>

Hi Gang....for the 1st time, HSR West is hosting a vintage race at
Infineon(Sears Point)..... the last weekend of August...
HSR WEST SUMMER RACES..this is a very famous track, and is still in the same
configuration as it was in 1968, when it opened(only a few minor changes to a
couple of turns,barely noticeable, and some hill cutting for spectator
visability, and runoff added in a few places.)......
Racer bud..Sonoma, Ca...

From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Jun 13 06:04:50 2009
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 5:04:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <20090613080450.8PYF7.184167.root@mp05>

I second Dennis and Nancy! I was going to nominate them after they picked up all that stuff that was my stuff and now it's all their stuff.
 They both looked like a couple of kids in a candy store trying to figure out how to get all the candy in their pockets. They got a great car. 
 Welcome to the list guys!
Jeff Senty
---- Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote: 
> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
> 
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
> 
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
> those spares.
> 
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
> 
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 13 06:47:24 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:47:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VELOCITY STACKS KVS-175  SS Mesh/Custom Filters
Message-ID: <cf6.57258b4c.3764f9dc@cs.com>

List:

Important Commercial Information..................

I received the first 4 pair of custom filters for the KVS-175. I am 
shipping three pair on Monday.

The silicon mold tooling is done and more SS material has been ordered for 
future production.

These filters conform to the shape of the bell and are secured with a 
molded silicon lip. If you feel you need filters, these make sense.

When I was at Road Atlanta I talked to Lee Holman (Holman & Moody). Holman 
is using his own custom version of these on his engines for the continuation 
of build 
GT-40s. (This was a voluntary conversation on his part as he saw a sample I 
had in my hand and recognized the construction) He feels that this filter 
will handle the fine sand of Florida.

On approval & returnable if you dont want them. Finally, we have some dyno 
results pending from an independent third party, with and without the 
filters, but those tests have been delayed.

I have one pair available now, and will have more produced to a list of 
advance orders.

$65/pr. including shipping.  

Note: If you did not get the Kastner designed Velocity Stacks initially, 
because of the availability of filters, I have a few work in process. (It will 
take awhile to finish them because I am in a bit of time crunch with 
pending race and AMBRO build)

Thanks!

Joe (A)

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 13 08:05:43 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heat Wrap - Non Triumph
Message-ID: <AMEPLGDBBNPBELGKPOHEKEEACFAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Amici,

I have a friend with a Corvair Spyder (turbocharged)
with a heat problem. The portion of the exhaust feeding
the turbo runs hot and he would like to put some heat
wrap on it. Any suggestions? Would the typical header
wrap work in this environment? Or is there something
better?

Thanks,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 14 00:31:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:31:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List stuff again
Message-ID: <4A34994D.5090004@bradakis.com>

I believe that the issues with AOL and other such entities regarding 
blocking
email from Team.Net has been resolved, and effected addresses should be back
in current status.

What fun.  Only a few dozen more lists and who knows how many hundreds
of addresses to process.  Not exactly how I wanted to spend my weekend.
So it goes.

In case you are wondering, the problem was with reverse DNS.  Basically
every computer has a name and an address.  If you give a name to a domain
name server, you get back an address.  That is required for a computer to
work on the network.  What ISN'T required is giving an address and getting
back a name.  In practice, though, most everyone has it set up.  So the AOL
mail server sees a message from autox.team.net, address x.x and does a
reverse lookup on x.x and gets x.x.frobble.in-blah.  That is not 
autox.team.net
so it assumes the message is spam and chucks it into the bit bucket.  In 
truth
there is more to it than that, the name to number matching is not 1 to 1.
aol.com is a LOT more than just one computer at one address.  And even
the team.net server also takes care of other domains like 
britishmotorclub.org
and baileysautomotive.com and utahlotusmuseum.com and such.  But that
is beyond the scope of this message, I'm sure many folks have already given
up reading this far.

It was working fine for years, but when I switched ISPs last month and got
a new IP address, the new ISP did not properly set up the reverse lookup.
Should be fixed now.

mjb.

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Jun 14 12:35:50 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:35:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
Message-ID: <BLU126-DS1F7AB4F097A18B037EA70B7410@phx.gbl>

As promised by the Speed Channel, the new digital/Hi-Def format rendered
spectacular results. I was up till mid-night 'flat screened' & managed to wake
up in time for the podium ceremonies this morning. Have to say, it got the
juices flowing for my first race for 09'  next month @ High Plains.
Expecting reports from the 3 TR4 amigos (Grey, Hodgson & Roelofs down @
Pueblo, CO. this weekend.

Kevin

From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 14 13:39:56 2009
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
Message-ID: <78653.55321.qm@web80701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great to see real race cars and real racing on SPEED.  I thought the coverage
was great.

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com> wrote:


From: KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com>
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 1:35 PM


As promised by the Speed Channel, the new digital/Hi-Def format rendered
spectacular results. I was up till mid-night 'flat screened' & managed to
wake
up in time for the podium ceremonies this morning. Have to say, it got the
juices flowing for my first race for 09'  next month @ High Plains.
Expecting reports from the 3 TR4 amigos (Grey, Hodgson & Roelofs down @
Pueblo, CO. this weekend.

Kevin
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jun 14 20:22:22 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trans on Craiglist
Message-ID: <4A35B05E.4070002@greenheart.com>

I have no interest here, but I ran into this advertisement today.  If 
this trans was rebuilt by Herman Van Den Akker as the advertisement 
says, you can be sure it was done right.  So if anyone is looking for a 
trans, this might be a good buy.    --Justin



http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1220354961.html

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Jun 14 21:19:20 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:19:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Lenghty notes on FOT Email
In-Reply-To: <20061215042250.03EB55E93BF@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>

Hi Mark

Cary Perket Group44TR7 at aol.com wanted me to relay a message to you that he
is not getting the Fot emails for a while now and would like see if you can
somehow get him back on the distribution.

Thanks

Paul MacDonald 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 15 09:30:43 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Firing up
In-Reply-To: <20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>
References: <20061215042250.03EB55E93BF@autox.team.net>
	<20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAANDHBSDrMz5LpNl6sEjldlwBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

This video is two month old and I'm not sure if I published it before.

It is not very interesting and maybe boring too but all went fine and that's
the main thing of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JyWluuaOU

Cheers
Chris

From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Jun 15 15:30:41 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:30:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a small crank 1300 Block!!!
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A55D002@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Well the jury is probably in and I need a 1300 small crank block to get
my 1972 Spit back on the track!!!

Anyone got one available?? Call me at 866-455-7788 8-5 CST or
615-347-0260 whenever you have time.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jun 15 21:43:16 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
Message-ID: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Amici,

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?

As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for Oregon
Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!  

We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!

Jim Norlin

From mpendy at dishmail.net  Mon Jun 15 22:06:31 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>

I will second also for Mike M. and second for a great Rose Cup weekend !!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report


> Amici,
>
> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>
> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for 
> Oregon
> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>
> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>
> Jim Norlin
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 16 00:49:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:49:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
In-Reply-To: <7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
Message-ID: <2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>

I had a great time. SCCA races are not the same kind of social thing  
that pure vintage races are, but there's a lot of fine folks that I  
haven't seen for a while, it was really good to catch up. I should add  
a few more SCCA and ICSSC events to my calendar.

Peyote did just fine. A great number of people were entranced with  
either Peyote or Nero or both. I had a pretty steady stream of curious  
visitors. Peyote looks very different, As I've said before, it's  
almost pretty now, but at the same time it's very true to it's  
origins. Surprising to see how much difference having straight metal  
and a fine hand at fitting everything really makes. Tony Garmey did an  
amazing job.

She also rocked on the track. Set a new personal lap record for  
Portland--1:29:784. That is picking them up and puttin' them down my  
friends. I have no problem remembering when I thought I'd never see  
1:31. We had a split start with open wheel cars going off first, and  
in the field of 30-odd non-open wheel cars I finished third overall on  
Sunday, and second in VP2. Lots of pretty darned good cars and fine  
drivers. I think folks were a little shocked at what a giant killer  
this goofy little car is.  And that's with very old tires and an  
engine that's done a stupendous number of events--basically three very  
busy years without a rebuild.

Arnie Loyning took first in his lotus elan, which was absolutely  
stunningly fast, turning 1:27: something and setting a new track VP2  
record. Arnie's a hell of a good driver but the car was amazing. 1200  
pounds and 180+ horsepower. Behind him was Dick Albrecht in his very  
nice Shelby 350 mustang. I was filling Dick's mirrors in every turn  
and I almost got past him a couple of times, but he finally got a  
little track between us and I couldn't regain it.  I had a fine battle  
with Don Madsdens Lotus S7, Mike Smith's GT350, and Norm Daniels  
Camaro, as well as an assortment of Datsun 240Zs, a pretty wicked  
Dodge Charger, a Sunbeam Tiger and some Alpha Romeos.

I really thought Peyote gaining 30 pounds would take a toll in lap  
times, but it didn't. I had a throttle cable pop off during Saturday's  
race, but other than that it was flawless all weekend.


On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote:

> I will second also for Mike M. and second for a great Rose Cup  
> weekend !!!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net 
> >
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
>
>
>> Amici,
>>
>> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.   
>> Mike
>> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here  
>> in
>> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the  
>> intent
>> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on  
>> Labor Day
>> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I  
>> bet he
>> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>>
>> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held  
>> up the
>> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal  
>> for Oregon
>> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars  
>> entered with
>> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>>
>> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 16 04:17:17 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
In-Reply-To: <2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
	<2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <189799.52153.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How could Peyote even think about filling any mirrors? It ain't that big. ;)
________________________________
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Mark
Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:49:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination and
brief race report

I had a great time. SCCA races are not the same kind of
social thing that pure vintage races are, but there's a lot of fine folks that
I haven't seen for a while, it was really good to catch up. I should add a few
more SCCA and ICSSC events to my calendar.

Peyote did just fine. A great
number of people were entranced with either Peyote or Nero or both. I had a
pretty steady stream of curious visitors. Peyote looks very different, As I've
said before, it's almost pretty now, but at the same time it's very true to
it's origins. Surprising to see how much difference having straight metal and
a fine hand at fitting everything really makes. Tony Garmey did an amazing
job.

She also rocked on the track. Set a new personal lap record for
Portland--1:29:784. That is picking them up and puttin' them down my friends.
I have no problem remembering when I thought I'd never see 1:31. We had a
split start with open wheel cars going off first, and in the field of 30-odd
non-open wheel cars I finished third overall on Sunday, and second in VP2.
Lots of pretty darned good cars and fine drivers. I think folks were a little
shocked at what a giant killer this goofy little car is.  And that's with very
old tires and an engine that's done a stupendous number of events--basically
three very busy years without a rebuild.

Arnie Loyning took first in his
lotus elan, which was absolutely stunningly fast, turning 1:27: something and
setting a new track VP2 record. Arnie's a hell of a good driver but the car
was amazing. 1200 pounds and 180+ horsepower. Behind him was Dick Albrecht in
his very nice Shelby 350 mustang. I was filling Dick's mirrors in every turn
and I almost got past him a couple of times, but he finally got a little track
between us and I couldn't regain it.  I had a fine battle with Don Madsdens
Lotus S7, Mike Smith's GT350, and Norm Daniels Camaro, as well as an
assortment of Datsun 240Zs, a pretty wicked Dodge Charger, a Sunbeam Tiger and
some Alpha Romeos.

I really thought Peyote gaining 30 pounds would take a
toll in lap times, but it didn't. I had a throttle cable pop off during
Saturday's race, but other than that it was flawless all weekend.

From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Jun 16 05:36:01 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <B7A6D468DE23461AB4E205A0A9C313F6@userb38463fba5>

I'll second that for certain.
Mark is a son-in law of a friend here in Hudson, OH. That car has some 
significant provenance having been raced almost all of it's life. 
Significant Mid-West / Chicago history. It was restored at one time by Bill 
Lynn of VTR fame and another Chicago man but I don't remember his name. I 
had a history of the car at one time and lost it in a hard disc crash. I may 
still have it on another computer. If not Mike may have it or I can get it 
from his father-in-law. The father-in-law has 1 of 2 TR2's that I'm aware of 
painted in the original Geranium (pink) color. Nice car too.
His father, Leo Mehl was Goodyear's Racing Tire Director for many years and 
I believe he was also involved in IRL stuff for awhile. So the car as well 
as the owners have a rich racing history.
It will make a nice race car.
I need to find that history too. May have some surprise in there.

JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report


> Amici,
>
> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>
> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for 
> Oregon
> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>
> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>
> Jim Norlin
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>


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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Tue Jun 16 10:46:06 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] oil cooler
Message-ID: <C1044494D4424608AB9FBDE49BEDAE8B@Dell5100Laptop>

Guys. I have to buy a new oil cooler for my TR4 (11:1 CR, max 6500 rpm)
and am wondering what size others are using successfully.  Thanks, Don

From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun 16 15:07:13 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:07:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Paging Jack Woerhle - SVRA
Message-ID: <e465d78329744.4a380981@optonline.net>

Jack,  please contact me off list.  

Thanks
Todd Redmond
alfetta95 at optonline.net

From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 18:49:30 2009
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:49:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <798194804.4673731245199770675.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Who says miracles don't happen!! I just received an acceptance letter for this
year's Monterey Historics! Ole 65 TR4 #116 has made it to the big time! If
anyone plans on attending Monterey week, please look me up. I'll be going down
with Tony Garmey and John Long, who drives a 58 Devinn SS. Please look us up
in the paddock!



Regards,





JohnB 

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 19:21:44 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <FD5F87257D234ADEBCC973AEBC21CE34@Bud>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <jcjcarrera at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics


> WOOHOOO!    Congratulations John!.....I love the Historics...and...as  a 
> race fan since 1953....and a Race Driver since 1968....I am glad to see 
> some more representation of How It 'REALLY' Was.....
> By the way..I'm still looking for one of my old Tr4 racecars....where did 
> yours come from?
> Racer Bud..
> Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jcjcarrera at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics
>
>
>> Who says miracles don't happen!! I just received an acceptance letter for 
>> this
>> year's Monterey Historics! Ole 65 TR4 #116 has made it to the big time! 
>> If
>> anyone plans on attending Monterey week, please look me up. I'll be going 
>> down
>> with Tony Garmey and John Long, who drives a 58 Devinn SS. Please look us 
>> up
>> in the paddock!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JohnB
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Tue Jun 16 22:09:49 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:09:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil cooler
References: <C1044494D4424608AB9FBDE49BEDAE8B@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <FE045058B3824EB5A6C15AE9BF032555@Pendys>

Don; My TR4 came with a 19 row cooler mounted directly at the left side 
headlight opening, it measured 10 in. wide by 5.5 in tall. It got hammerd by 
a 1/4 nut on track, ( still looking for that car by the way) It was from 
Earls Performance Plumbing . part # 41900. Then i installed a Mocal part 
#OC1163-8 cooler, it was a 16 row that measured 6 in. wide by 5 in tall, it 
did'nt last the three day Rose Cup weekend and developed an internal leak on 
track which made me very popular that day.Sunday morn. I installed a Setrab 
part #50-619-7612 , 19 row measuring 10.in wide by 5.5 in tall. The 
difference in oil temp was about 20 degrees between the larger ones verses 
the smaller one. 190degrees vrs.210. Temp. over the 3 day weekend was in the 
70s and air was pretty thick so gauge accordingly.The Mocal unit needed 
special adapta-fittings to utilize 10an fittings so be ware, they interfered 
with my hood a little bit.These measurements given are the actual cooling 
area, allow for bracketry. Bigger units cost app.165.00 smaller unit 135.00. 
These figures seemed the same for a 13.5 cr. and a 11.0 cr. engine running 
up to 7200 rpm and 6800rpm. Hope this info. helps. Mark Pendy tr4 #65
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Marshall" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>
To: "FOT" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] oil cooler


> Guys. I have to buy a new oil cooler for my TR4 (11:1 CR, max 6500 rpm)
> and am wondering what size others are using successfully.  Thanks, Don
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Jun 17 11:45:48 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:45:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 17 11:54:08 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:54:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1D5ADEB81EF4D6A87D1C8B4C81C7F8D@joepentiumnew>

There is a place in Tyler Texas called Ssnake-Oyl Products that specializes
in seatbelt restoration.

www.ssnake-oyl.com

I ran across one of the owners a couple of years ago at the Barrett Jackson
Auction in Scottsdale.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 17 12:24:51 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had mine done last year at Crow in California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
They did a great job - very reasonable.

Dennis


 I know at least one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 12:23:38 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:23:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>

Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores parachute
harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 12:36:49 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:36:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E487CF6B-DC8D-4B4C-808C-630538CF5529@comcast.net>

You might try the manufacturer itself - I recall that Pyrotect will  
redo the ones I got from them.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

I had mine done last year at Crow in California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
They did a great job - very reasonable.

Dennis


I know at least one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 12:56:06 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>

Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to  
throw them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:

> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I  
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 12:59:28 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
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	<001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
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But will it be FIA date stamped?

On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote:

> Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores  
> parachute
> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of robert bownes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
>
> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I  
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 13:01:26 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:01:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
	<EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>
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I meant FIM of course.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> But will it be FIA date stamped?
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote:
>
>> Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores  
>> parachute
>> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of robert bownes
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
>>
>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
>> company was
>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was.  
>> I have 3
>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
>> mess.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Jun 17 13:38:00 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390906171238t76a6c45ci14cb9afe3488fe06@mail.gmail.com>

I know G-Force does their belts, but when I checked into it it was
only a little cheaper then all out replacements due to shipping costs.

A.

2009/6/17 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
> Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to throw
> them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have
>> 3
>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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'77 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada
FIAT (Fast In A Turn)

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 17 13:50:03 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <289185.16326.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes and Yes - SFI tags
and the belts are half what I paid for the original Simpsons.
I am telling you - they are first rate.
It took them about a week to do the work.

Dennis
 
> For future referance, was there a significant cost
> savings over purchasing new belts?
>  
> Were the restored belts labeled with SFI or FIM tags?
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I had mine done last year at Crow in
> California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
> They did a great job - very reasonable.
>
> Dennis

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun 17 14:28:40 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com><F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
	<4362ae390906171238t76a6c45ci14cb9afe3488fe06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A141E4CACFE84AB2BBD475C2D64B9295@rocky>

I discovered basically the same thing when I looked into getting my Simpson 
belts re-webbed.

Was easier just to buy a new set. But then, I offered my out-of-date belts 
for sale to autocrossers (who have no date requirement). Sold them for more 
than the difference between reweb and new, but it was still a cheap price to 
the solo guys.

'Nother trick. Last year I shared my car a few times in solo events with a 
skinny guy. Rather than readjust the lap belts back and forth each time, I 
just put my old laps in next to the new ones, connected to the same eyebolt 
and we each had our own set already adjusted to our individual needs 
(shoulder straps readjust every time anyway).

--Rocky


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing


>I know G-Force does their belts, but when I checked into it it was
> only a little cheaper then all out replacements due to shipping costs.
>
> A.
>
> 2009/6/17 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>> Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to 
>> throw
>> them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company 
>>> was
>>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I 
>>> have
>>> 3
>>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bob

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 15:37:56 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:37:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAHBCRXhsw2pBunqFivAv2xkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I give my old harnesses to young drivers who tune their cars.
They are always thankful about and I got writ of it.

Cheers
Chris (who bought new a new belt and are valid for another 5 years)

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Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2009 20:56
An: robert bownes
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to
throw them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:

> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Thu Jun 18 02:00:14 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Justin Wagner:  Friends in the U.K.
Message-ID: <4A39F40E.5080103@greenheart.com>

I'm dialling in some plans to go the U.K. between the 19th and the 
26th.  I'm planning to attend at least one day at TR Register's 
International Weekend, being held at the Three Counties Showground, 
Malvern, 24-26 July.  (Yes, I plan to bring  some silicone valve cover 
gaskets.)   I may has a stop in Coventry.  I'm will be spending some 
time in London.  

I welcome any recommendations such as hotels, events, pubs, etc.

My schedule will likely get tight quickly, but I want to make the best 
of my time while there.

--Justin Wagner
jmwagnersales.com

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Thu Jun 18 06:51:38 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these
 problems?
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906180551v6937fb4fg1baacb874d512313@mail.gmail.com>

Ed:  Just noticed that you had asked a question!

I believe you're correct about it dropping out of OD as Susan was
coming out of one of the corners and yes the car was running very well
at the time.

We now have a new billet crank to put in her next engine so between
the billet rods she is currently running and the new billet crank I'm
hoping the bottom end will be bullet proof.  We'll see.....!

Brad



On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:55 AM, EDWARD

- Hide quoted text -
BARNARD<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these
> problems?
> To: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM
>
> Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan
> break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were
> that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of
> the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If
> memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the
> mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened
> Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad?

From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 07:38:58 2009
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <191197.50873.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ed Diehl


--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing
> To: "'robert bownes'" <bownes at seiri.com>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:23 PM
> Check your local private aviation
> airport for someone who restores parachute
> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of robert bownes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
> 
> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least
> one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
> 
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> Bob
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 18 20:18:37 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:18:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
Message-ID: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT 

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040 under. 

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but I think 

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods. 

Any advice for the conversion ? 



Again, thankfull for your advice, 



Jim G. 

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 18 22:12:41 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:12:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
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Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 18 22:59:13 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:59:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
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Message-ID: <2011235376.4049001245387553388.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IB  welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 19 07:21:20 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:21:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <891433.69228.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <393759269.4077441245417680551.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's a tr4



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:30:33 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing


Jim: Are we talking a TR2-4 motor, Spit motor, or TR6 motor?
Thanks - Ed

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
wrote:



From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:59 PM


Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IBB  welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




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From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com >
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net , "fot" < fot at autox.team.net >
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 19 07:57:29 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:57:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040ECFB4BE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <308614840.4086241245419849988.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob,

I'm running the same plumbing arrangement. I built an over ride to the
electric valve that controls the sump

so I can manually control the oil sump when I want to. It's really odd that #
3 was the only cylinder affected.

Whatever it was took out the piston too, maybe the liner as well.



I may try my spare crank this time. I just wonder if there is something in the
crank oil passages that

just won't flush out.



jg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kramer" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:40:03 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Do you have the accusump plumbing routed properly? Could the pressure be
bumping up against the pump flow, an inline check valve or a remote filter? I
have it plumbed to dump into the center of the oil galley. I drilled out the
plug to take an AN8 or AN10/pipe thread adapter. Between that and normal oil
passageway problems it should be fine. I've been running wet liners since 1996
and haven't struggled with oiling issues.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:21 AM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

It's a tr4



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:30:33 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing


Jim: Are we talking a TR2-4 motor, Spit motor, or TR6 motor?
Thanks - Ed

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From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:59 PM


Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IBB B welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com >
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net , "fot" < fot at autox.team.net >
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


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Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Jun 19 13:44:32 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:44:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
Message-ID: <4A3BEAA0.5040501@cfl.rr.com>

For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?

thxx,
Bob

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 19 15:25:51 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:25:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
Message-ID: <15211366.1245446751311.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875 

Total Rotate Recip 
664 / 480 / 184



-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>
>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>
>thxx,
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From dtalbott at archrepro.com  Fri Jun 19 17:17:54 2009
From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
References: <15211366.1245446751311.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3EC80C5B1E8C4D87A2ECDB95CD9E0078@LatitudeD530>

Make sure you know which generation of Carrillo's, as I believe they have 
produced at least two styles for the tractor motors.  I have an older set 
that is:

Total:                719
Rotating:           523
Reciprocating:   196

DT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods


>4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875
>
> Total Rotate Recip
> 664 / 480 / 184
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>>
>>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>>
>>thxx,
>>Bob
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Fri Jun 19 21:05:51 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:05:51 EDT
Subject: [Fot] List check
Message-ID: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>

Hey folks,
   This is a call out to see if I've been missing anything. I haven't 
recieved any mail from the list in a while and I did recieve a forwarded message 
the other day. I hope all is well. I'm making steady progress on my TR3 
racecar and have begun the reassembly from a complete tear down. 
   Regards from Santa Cruz,
    Dave H.


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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jun 19 21:26:58 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] List check
In-Reply-To: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>
References: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <37610804B71F4763B3FAC79A53C0182B@joepentiumnew>

Dave,
You have missed a very large discussion about how it appears to be only the
AOL users who are not getting email.

My suggestion is to setup a free hotmail account and re-register to receive
your list mail there.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dlhogye at aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:06 PM
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Hey folks,
   This is a call out to see if I've been missing anything. I haven't 
recieved any mail from the list in a while and I did recieve a forwarded
message 
the other day. I hope all is well. I'm making steady progress on my TR3 
racecar and have begun the reassembly from a complete tear down. 
   Regards from Santa Cruz,
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 21 06:45:46 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:45:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
In-Reply-To: <3EC80C5B1E8C4D87A2ECDB95CD9E0078@LatitudeD530>
Message-ID: <1573598104.4255681245588346009.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FWIW, my experience with carillo is not very good.B  I would offer Pauter Rods
as an alternative to carillo (I have no connection to Pauter).B  Carillo
admitted to me that they weigh total and big end and then subtract and report
small end weight of rods.B  If anyone is interested contact me off line.

Ron K.

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Talbott" <dtalbott at archrepro.com>
To: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>, "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>, "Friends
of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:17:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods

Make sure you know which generation of Carrillo's, as I believe they have
produced at least two styles for the tractor motors. B I have an older set
that is:

Total: B  B  B  B  B  B  B  B 719
Rotating: B  B  B  B  B  523
Reciprocating: B  196

DT

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods


>4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875
>
> Total Rotate Recip
> 664 / 480 / 184
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>>
>>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>>
>>thxx,
>>Bob
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jun 22 07:22:15 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT - diesel tractor over heating issues
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I know this is supposed to be about Triumph race cars but I need
help.  The obligatory Triumph content is if I have to work on this
tractor I won't be able to work on Susan's race motor.

While mowing with our small Ford 1700 tractor yesterday it all of a
sudden coughed, emitted a large amount of black sooty exhaust and
died.  Upon inspection it was found that it was low on coolant.
Refilled the radiator and started it up.  It ran for a little while
and then did the same thing.  Upon even closer inspection we found
that the temp gauge was registering "cold" yet there was little or no
coolant in the radiator.  It would seem that the temperature sensor
apparently reads ok when its not immersed in coolant.  The gauge is
working because after we filled it and ran it the temperature gauge
registered ok.

So I refilled the radiator again, left the cap off and cranked the
engine over.  As it was cranking there obvious bubbles coming from the
radiator filler opening in time with the cranking of the engine.  To
me this would be a strong indication that the problem is either a
blown head gasket or a cracked head.  Unless someone can point me in a
different direction it appears my next step is to pull the head to
check things out.   Oh yeah, didn't notice any coolant in the oil
either.

Any thoughts?!

Thanks,

Brad

From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jun 22 10:32:33 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT - diesel tractor over heating issues
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906220932t2edc825cm5a846bf157532249@mail.gmail.com>

Well as I pretty much expected the concensus seems to be the head
gasket or head.  Weather and time permitting I'll be pulling the head
tonight to get a better idea of what happened.  I did stop by the
local New Holland dealer and picked up a new head gasket.  Total for
just the head gasket was $121.  As the parts counter guy told me,
treat it with care, its made of gold........

Thanks for all the replies.

Brad

From smnck at kansas.net  Mon Jun 22 13:30:48 2009
From: smnck at kansas.net (smnck)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001401c9f36f$f2b24aa0$d816dfe0$@net>

Our email address is HYPERLINK "mailto:smnck at kansas.net"smnck at kansas.net.
We were nominated by Rocky Entriken.

 

Thanks!

 

Dennis & Nancy Smith 

Concordia, KS

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 22 15:08:42 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Video from Hockenheim race
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAJNephpyu0BOsOBZcRgvgBkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I'm not sure if this link does work but there is a chance:

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5350257132069819330

This is from the last weekend. New engine, lighter body.

A massive driving error did cause some fun on my side.

Cheers
Chris

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jun 22 18:35:50 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
Message-ID: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
"57 TR3 on the way back to the track"

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jun 22 19:02:28 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hauling 2 TR4's cross country
References: <798194804.4673731245199770675.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <29F2A41EE595492E8CF7A64E97E70167@hp532n>

Does anyone have any experience with what size trailer is the minimum that 
would work for hauling 2 TR4's cross country? I have a 2500HD Sierra so I'm 
hoping I can figure out and borrow an appropriate trailer.

Bob Kramer 

From Dlhogye at aol.com  Mon Jun 22 19:40:13 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:40:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] new email address for a FoT
Message-ID: <cf6.58036435.37718c7d@aol.com>

Ok, I'm changing my email address from aol to comcast for my FoT list 
contact. I hope that I don't miss anything else. The new address is 
dlhogye at comcast.net.

   Thanks,
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 07:24:24 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:24:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
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Message-ID: <45382720.4903111245763464582.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Now if that wasn't perfect timing.

Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:35:50 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] TR rods

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping B for new rods. B I came
across B Ireland B Racing on B the B west coast. Primarily supplying
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun 23 09:00:56 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>

Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
That's a price we can afford!!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] TR rods

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
the car back together for at least 18 months.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 23 09:30:07 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
References: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com> <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906231129460.27879@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Tim Murphy wrote:

> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
> That's a price we can afford!!

http://www.bmw2002.com/

> Tim

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jun 23 09:52:08 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
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---- Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote: 
> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
> That's a price we can afford!!
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] TR rods
> 
> All,
> 
> NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
> across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
> performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
> says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
> and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
> 578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
> same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
> the car back together for at least 18 months.
> 
> Bob
> "57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 23 12:56:30 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>

Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to many 
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines at 
the moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near Grand 
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar) for 
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region, 
involved in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car Club 
at the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group of 
my friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began 
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so 
little -- and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him handily. 
Then we graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual 
friend who lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become 
this Spitfire guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the parking 
lots of KU those many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since then 
he's become my engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when I 
need help.

--Rocky Entriken 

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 23 13:03:03 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
In-Reply-To: <1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
	<1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304891@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Second!

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:57 PM
To: .Triumph List
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey

Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to
many
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines
at
the moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near
Grand
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar)
for
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region,
involved in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car
Club
at the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group
of
my friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so
little -- and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him
handily.
Then we graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual
friend who lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become

this Spitfire guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the
parking
lots of KU those many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since
then
he's become my engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when
I
need help.

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 23 13:04:12 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
Message-ID: <665117.25756.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Second; we can always use more Spit racers.
 
Welcome Duane.
 
Ernie

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:



Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to many
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines at the
moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near Grand
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar) for
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region, involved
in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car Club at
the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group of my
friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so little --
and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him handily. Then we
graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual friend who
lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become this Spitfire
guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the parking lots of KU those
many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since then he's become my
engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when I need help.

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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 23:42:44 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
Message-ID: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>

I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
Jim

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]

From dave at microworks.net  Wed Jun 24 00:21:21 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <20090624062351.5565C18A452@autox.team.net>

If your just looking to run the car "fast" have you considered 
running in a NASA DE group to augment the actual races.  Would still 
give you plenty of seat time so that your not "too" rusty when you do 
go out for an actual race.

At 10:42 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
>I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
>originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
>races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
>apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
>two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
>with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
>I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
>warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
>vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>Jim
>
>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef 
>which had a name of winmail.dat]
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 07:33:43 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <000101c9f47a$26a49ec0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <49340101.5198791245850423462.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 24 07:42:02 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <7DEE0F92-C319-46F3-AB5E-BBE6BE6C4806@bnj.com>

Most vintage organizations do licensing, and it's not expensive. For  
that matter SCCA has an inexpensive vintage license that works  
everywhere.  SCCA vintage grids would definately include your car, as  
would all the northern cal races I can think of except Monterey and  
perhaps wine country.

On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:42 PM, jim hearn wrote:

> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that  
> was
> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local  
> vintage
> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing  
> license but
> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense  
> for one or
> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in  
> vintage races
> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that  
> currently.
> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete  
> enough to
> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that  
> sort of
> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any  
> ideas.
> Jim
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef  
> which had a name of winmail.dat]
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:17:03 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304907@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's not drilled yet but it will be this time. Any idea what size to drill it
out to ?



jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:49:00 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Is the oil passage to the center main enlarged? B It's got to feed two
rods, whereas the end mains feed only one.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post
from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a
TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:19:56 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:19:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <000601c9f4d6$90962ef0$b1c28cd0$@com>
Message-ID: <942739365.5210561245853196252.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Tim,

They don't list them on the website. I called the owner, ( Jeff ) directly and
told him what I needed.



Jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:17:52 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,
B B B B B B B B Would you please send me the part number of the Ireland
Engineering
H-beam rods for the TR4 if you have it? B I'm interested in upgrading from
our stock, balanced rods. B At that price I can afford it. B Can't afford the
Carrillo rods.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun 24 08:24:31 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:24:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery
	ville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304907@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090624142507.A1755187C13@autox.team.net>

I took mine up 1/16" from whatever diameter is was to start with.

Jack's note on this is: "Be careful not to drill too deep, and 
remember that when the holes intersect, the drill will catch and try 
to break your wrist."

- Tony Drews

At 09:17 AM 6/24/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
>It's not drilled yet but it will be this time. Any idea what size to drill it
>out to ?
>
>
>
>jim g
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:49:00 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>Mazatlan
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Is the oil passage to the center main enlarged? B It's got to feed two
>rods, whereas the end mains feed only one.
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
>To: Greg & Alison Blake
>Cc: fot
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Greg,
>
>I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post
>from
>Ireland Engineering.
>
>They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.
>
>I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
>contaminant in an oil passage.
>
>
>
>
>
>jim g
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
>To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>Mazatlan
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Jim,
>
>Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a
>TR3
>motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
>complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
>up the rod as you suggest.
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
>To: fot
>Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Greetings FoT
>
>I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
>under.
>
>It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
>but I think
>
>it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.
>
>Any advice for the conversion ?
>
>
>
>Again, thankfull for your advice,
>
>
>
>Jim G.
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Jun 24 08:46:19 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
References: <20090623155208.IPYLV.191455.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>
Message-ID: <005801c9f4da$8953ace0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Speak to Jeff  (Jeff Ireland).  He is a VARA Board Member and a long time 
racer.  His shop is perhaps 1 mile from mine.  I know he has been selling 
Rods for various applications but, really don't know their pedigree.  But, 
has had them for several years now...



Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
GMT -8 Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "'Friends of Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <rpm724 at att.net>; <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR rods


> www.bmw2002.com
>
>
>
> ---- Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:
>> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
>> That's a price we can afford!!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Bob
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
>> To: Friends of Triumph
>> Subject: [Fot] TR rods
>>
>> All,
>>
>> NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came
>> across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying
>> performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He
>> says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers
>> and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of
>> 578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the
>> same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have
>> the car back together for at least 18 months.
>>
>> Bob
>> "57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:53:27 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:53:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <1156618541.5367791245854501007.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1269491887.5373361245855207409.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Jim,

Has Kas given any input on this?B  The problem with tractor motors is the 3
main bearing design.B  The center main has to supply oil to the #2 and #3 rod
bearings.B  On Spitfire engines I open up the Center main holes to the rods
and the entrance hole to allow more oil flow out to the rods.B  RPM and main
bearing diameterB areB two of the major factors that influence oil flow
(centrifical force).B  Rod bearing diametral and side clearance are the major
factors controling oil retention/flow at the rod journals.B  I would suspect
excess side clearance as a root cause of your failure if #2 bearing was not
showing signs of bearing distress.

Ron K

ReK Racing

----- Original Message -----
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:33:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.

jim g

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 13:07:33 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
Message-ID: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Has anyone else had problems with FoT mail ? Mark Eden hasn't recieved any in a week. 

From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 13:32:19 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] test email
Message-ID: <357A972FC5A6411486F33E55B187420A@Bud>

TEST

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 14:42:11 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:42:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <4D3469F27EA74C4E9DB4B918951CBEA3@Bud>
Message-ID: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Is the problem with AOL users ? 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> 
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:33:14 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail 

i just sent a test email to FOT...it came thru to me fine 
Racer Bud 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> 
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "E, Mark" <EDENMA at aol.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:07 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail 


> Has anyone else had problems with FoT mail ? Mark Eden hasn't recieved any 
> in a week. 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com 
> 
> Fot mailing list 
> Fot at autox.team.net 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot 

From rjl6n at cstone.net  Wed Jun 24 14:56:30 2009
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.c
	omcast.net>
References: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

On Wed, June 24, 2009 4:42 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> Is the problem with AOL users ?

Yup, Mark E.  seems to have an AOL address.
Same problem that's been going around.

Just say no....
John

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 24 15:03:24 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <1AB67602B8ED449A90F19154EC9B2ED0@joepentiumnew>

One would think that AOL Users would finally get another Email service after
all the continuous problems that have surrounded AOL through the years.  

You can keep AOL and switch to one of the free EMAIL services (like Hotmail)
for the List activities.

Seems simple enough.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rjl6n at cstone.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:57 PM
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail

On Wed, June 24, 2009 4:42 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> Is the problem with AOL users ?

Yup, Mark E.  seems to have an AOL address.
Same problem that's been going around.

Just say no....
John
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 24 15:19:26 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:19:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Video from Hockenheim race
In-Reply-To: <1BE11C8293A94027B27E43C995059D88@KasPC>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAJNephpyu0BOsOBZcRgvgBkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
	<1BE11C8293A94027B27E43C995059D88@KasPC>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAALHYKKXKY05HuVvy+EWDIPEBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Photos:

http://www.triumph-competition.de/fotos/aktuell/30

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 20:23:47 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 figure 8 gaskets
Message-ID: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>

Standard steel figure 8s are 15 thou thick.
I got some copper ones from Dave at TRF that I would like to use but they are
19 thou.
Are they thicker because they will crush?
Without the figure 8s my liners are all depressed 11 thou so I don't have any
measurement issues.
Bruce

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 24 21:27:12 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4A42EE90.6000903@bradakis.com>

There may be a few folks on this list that know I've been providing
Team.Net services in one form or another for over 20 years.  At one
point I actually did the math, as they say.  AOL people were something
like a mere 5.6% of the total subscribers, but they were generating
about 29% of the total number of error messages I had to waste my
time processing.

Some things never change.

mjb.

From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 24 21:52:56 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 figure 8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>
References: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <14977AC9-8CEF-4BDC-A810-7EE4424ACAA0@bnj.com>

No the copper will not compress. It can deform more easily to  
accommodate a burr or other irregularity, but it won't compress at all.
On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Stutzman wrote:

> Standard steel figure 8s are 15 thou thick.
> I got some copper ones from Dave at TRF that I would like to use but  
> they are
> 19 thou.
> Are they thicker because they will crush?
> Without the figure 8s my liners are all depressed 11 thou so I don't  
> have any
> measurement issues.
> Bruce
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From britbits at netzero.com  Wed Jun 24 21:53:20 2009
From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <4A42EE90.6000903@bradakis.com>
References: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4A42EE90.6000903@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <021f01c9f548$8f938530$23731342@jrg>

What do you expect from America Off Line?


Cheers,

Jim
Dallas 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:27 PM
To: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail

There may be a few folks on this list that know I've been providing Team.Net
services in one form or another for over 20 years.  At one point I actually
did the math, as they say.  AOL people were something like a mere 5.6% of
the total subscribers, but they were generating about 29% of the total
number of error messages I had to waste my time processing.

Some things never change.

mjb.
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jun 25 08:58:14 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

 

Just my thoughts,

 

Tim

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jun 25 09:36:28 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:36:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Bernie does not like it if someone else makes money on a Grand Prix. He
is like Daffy Duck, It's mine, ALL MINE! 
There was almost no one at the Phoenix, USGPs in 89 -91, and no one
seemed to care, other than the city. I'm sure they wanted more people. It
is broadcast to the world, that's where the money is, anyway.
Throwing aside your history and heritage by doing away with Silverstone
is inexcusable.
Bill
 
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:14 -0500 "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
writes:
> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should 
> take the
> hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, 
> Silverstone had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for 
> the race
> and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off 
> the
> schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the 
> North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North 
> Americans don't
> take kindly to extortion.
> 
>  
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> 
>  
> 
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 09:45:44 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:45:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
Message-ID: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B 

Just my thoughts,

B 

Tim
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 09:57:46 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251155070.5333@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, William G Rosenbach wrote:

> Bernie does not like it if someone else makes money on a Grand Prix. He
> is like Daffy Duck, It's mine, ALL MINE!

No argument.

Plus he's short. Can you say Napoleon?

> There was almost no one at the Phoenix, USGPs in 89 -91, and no one
> seemed to care, other than the city. I'm sure they wanted more people. It
> is broadcast to the world, that's where the money is, anyway.

I went to Phoenix in 90 and 91. I thought it was awesome. There was nobody 
there, and you could get fairly good track access for qualifying on FRI.

The races were actually pretty good too. I was sad to see that race go, I 
would have gone again and again. Oh well.

> Throwing aside your history and heritage by doing away with Silverstone
> is inexcusable.

Totally agreed.

> Bill

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 25 09:58:49 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:58:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
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I suppose the reason for no race at Silverstone is, that the track won't like
any more F1 races.
Same at Hockenheim. They are on the schedule for 2010 and said - NO. Too
expensive to host a F1 race.
Each F1 on a German track does cost the track 6.000.000 b,. More than these
track companies can afford and the little racers like me has to pay for.
I don't like to pay the F1 racers to have their fun with my entry fee.

So from my part, I don't care about "no F1 races in Germany" in short future.
I'm more keen on sports car races anyway.

Cheers
Chris

-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag
von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 17:46
An: Tim Murphy
Cc: fot
Betreff: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B

Just my thoughts,

B

Tim
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:00:20 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:00:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>

FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money for 
charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
Racer Bud..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
> Bernie's
>
> bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a 
> race
>
> in the UK or North America.
>
> Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in 
> Turkey
>
> or Spain than the UK or North America ?
>
> No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.
>
> I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get 
> to
> replace
>
> the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?
>
> Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship
>
> Bernie & Max just need to run away together.
>
>
>
> jim g.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take 
> the
> hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone 
> had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the 
> race
> and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
> schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans 
> don't
> take kindly to extortion.
>
> B
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> B
>
> Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 25 10:04:35 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:04:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
	<2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D4A6B259B2B543B49685C9B1F228153F@joepentiumnew>

Oh, there will definitely be a Formula 1 race in Britain next year.  The
Donnington Park facility is being renovated per Bernie's specifications for
that purpose.

The hitch in the plan is that it is way behind schedule leaving many to
speculate that it won't be ready in time.  So Silverstone might be hosting
just one more F1 race.

The UK is just too big of a money maker for Bernie to leave it out of the
schedule.  Silverstone is owned by the British Driver's club so Bernie can't
get his grubby fists around as much of the proceeds as he would like.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:46 AM
To: Tim Murphy
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in
Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone
had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the
race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B 

Just my thoughts,

B 

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:05:16 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:05:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
Message-ID: <A22C0969DD94419CB6312EFB28461C7B@Bud>

Remember what F1 did to the fans at Indy?.....the tire B.S. a few years 
ago...No 'legal tires' available, so instead of making an emergency rule 
change for the fans......The people who traveled thousands of miles to see a 
race got to see 5 or 6 cars touring around...It was disgusting...
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should take the
> hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone 
> had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for the 
> race
> and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off the
> schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans 
> don't
> take kindly to extortion.
>
>
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
>
>
> Tim
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:10:52 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:

> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money for 
> charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...

Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.

They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
"clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.

Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.

Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?

That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
club track.

Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.

> Racer Bud..

Have a nice day!
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:12:35 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:

> Remember what F1 did to the fans at Indy?.....the tire B.S. a few years 
> ago...No 'legal tires' available, so instead of making an emergency rule 
> change for the fans......The people who traveled thousands of miles to see a 
> race got to see 5 or 6 cars touring around...It was disgusting...

So was the US fans tossing beer at the track. Which, I might ad is a 
common occurrance at NASCAR events.

It goes both ways and was embarrasing at many levels.

> Racer Bud

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:35:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
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Message-ID: <CF9C7F90F12A45A0ABCC67D14A40C148@Bud>

Robert Lang..It appears that you are ADDING to my text, rather than 
commenting on/responding to it...i'm sure that is inadvertent, but it sends 
a misrepresentation of my message...
thanks
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "fot" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:
>
>> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
>> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
>> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
>
> Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.
>
> They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.
>
> Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.
>
> Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?
>
> That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> club track.
>
> Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.
>
>> Racer Bud..
>
> Have a nice day!
> rml
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:45:40 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] f1...Nascar Helps Us Race
Message-ID: <E6DDBB35A03645D582B6F9367BCACB53@Bud>

Another comment about NASCAR......and Road courses.....In northern Ca......we
would not have Infineon(Sears Point) if it were not for NASCAR..The track
struggled for years and years until  Bruton. Bmith bought it and invested many
millions in it to make it desirable to NASCAR..With NASCAR as a foundation,
the track can continue to operate...hosting.... SCCA....CSRG...HSR WEST(begins
this year)...GeneralRacing.....NASA.....NHRA...RUSSELL RACING.....PORSCHE
CLUB....BMW CLUB....KARTING......BICYCLE RACING....and countless other
groups....
Racer Bud

From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Jun 25 11:05:19 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:05:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Message-ID: <BAY116-DS14C58EEBA10484BAFE30EC3340@phx.gbl>

If I read the story correctly there will still be spending caps, which none of
the top teams want, and there will be technology sharing.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

F1 has now taken a big step down the slippery slope of spec racing.  Joy, more
IRL cars.  And about as exciting as a FF race.

The heart and soul of Formula One is technical innovation.  It's not giving
your secrets to the other guy to "even the playing field".

The constructors should have stuck to their guns.

Terry Stetler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com<mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com>>
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B

Just my thoughts,

B

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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 25 11:36:55 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:36:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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	<BAY116-DS14C58EEBA10484BAFE30EC3340@phx.gbl>
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Terry,
There is no budget cap.  The agreement is that the teams have 2 years to get
their spending down to the levels that were in effect in the early 1990's.
That said, It is not clear if the figures will be adjusted for inflation or
the actual Dollars that were spent.  If it is actual dollars, the spending
will definitely be severely restricted.

The win for the teams is that they have a set of rules that applies to all
teams and is for the most part stationary.  So they will not have to scrap
the current car and start all over for the next season's rule set.  This
will allow them to fix the deficiencies of the previous year rather than
start with a clean sheet of paper.  That in itself will save a lot of
development time and money.

True, they didn't get everything they wanted but that is the way
negotiations go.  You strive for a Win-Win situation and each party has to
drop some of its demands in order to reach consensus.

I for one am pleased that the sanctity (if not the sanity) of F1 remains in
place.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Terry Stetler
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:05 AM
To: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

If I read the story correctly there will still be spending caps, which none
of
the top teams want, and there will be technology sharing.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

F1 has now taken a big step down the slippery slope of spec racing.  Joy,
more
IRL cars.  And about as exciting as a FF race.

The heart and soul of Formula One is technical innovation.  It's not giving
your secrets to the other guy to "even the playing field".

The constructors should have stuck to their guns.

Terry Stetler

From sm1ski at dslextreme.com  Thu Jun 25 12:03:53 2009
From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>

add the story of Pikes Peak International Raceway to the mix of tracks (with 
road courses) that were shunted aside because of NASCAR manipulations.

mike kowalski
FP spit
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:
>
>> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
>> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
>> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
>
> Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.
>
> They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.
>
> Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.
>
> Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?
>
> That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> club track.
>
> Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.
>
>> Racer Bud..
>
> Have a nice day!
> rml
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From westerneagleracing at att.net  Thu Jun 25 13:57:34 2009
From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:57:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
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Mike,
PPIR has a new owner and is running club events.
Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from "michael a kowalski" <sm1ski at dslextreme.com>: -------------- 


> add the story of Pikes Peak International Raceway to the mix of tracks (with 
> road courses) that were shunted aside because of NASCAR manipulations. 
> 
> mike kowalski 
> FP spit 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Lang" 
> To: "RACER BUD" 
> Cc: "fot" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:10 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first 
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote: 
> > 
> >> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
> >> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
> >> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans... 
> > 
> > Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money. 
> > 
> > They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> > "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon. 
> > 
> > Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> > they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> > point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> > of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> > concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> > clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> > other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> > but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> > parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> > they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> > country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E. 
> > 
> > Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> > employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"? 
> > 
> > That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> > with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> > club track. 
> > 
> > Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> > good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> > lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham. 
> > 
> >> Racer Bud.. 
> > 
> > Have a nice day! 
> > rml 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 16:46:13 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
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Message-ID: <226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>

Hi Gang.....Out here in High Priced California.....We lose small tracks on a 
regular basis because of property values...We were about to lose stockton 99 
and Petaluma Speedway to development when the real estate market crashed and 
they were spared....
In an area like this, WE NEED NASCAR MONEY to make race tracks 
feasible...NASCAR is not just about the sprint Cup...It's about the grass 
roots oval tracks...I've been a road racer for 41 years...I've loved oval 
track the whole time too, and to me, it's sure more fun to watch...Racing is 
Racing..it's about 'Balls To The Wall' Stuff....Nascar has a huge fan 
base....they are obviously doing things correctly.
 One type of racing is not any better than another...we have our favorites, 
that's all....
Racer Bud..........

From adams910 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 20:08:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:08:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Nascar saved Watkins Glen.

Bob

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 25 20:20:22 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.co
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Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of all 
of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.

I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and 
European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and 
dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.

I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look 
down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.  It's 
ALL racing.

I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing series.

- Tony Drews

From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 20:23:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: NASCAR AT INFINEON
Message-ID: <F6B180A1AF7C48DEBA1EA4BD4E80183C@Bud>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: NASCAR AT INFINEON


Here we are Gang.....JIMMY 'THE MARS MAN 'HARRIS....RACER
BUD...and....SHANNON..'UNLIMITED SPIRIT SCHMIDT', Havn' an obviously
...Woooohooo..FUN Time at NASCAR...GO BABY GO!
Racer Bu7d
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs106.snc1/5054_1081775650003_13
94673455_30212169_1178344_n.jpg

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jun 25 21:16:12 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:16:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako><062520091957.16306.4A43D6AE000B218800003FB222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net><226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud><673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>

I've always held the opinion that any race with two (or more) cars in close 
competition with each other is a good race, whether it lasts 24 hours or 4 
seconds.

To drive, I'll choose road racing. And autocross.

To watch, I'll choose ... what's on?

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of all of 
> them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and 
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and dirt). 
> Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look down 
> their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.  It's ALL 
> racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing 
> series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________

From Dlhogye at aol.com  Thu Jun 25 22:00:15 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:00:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hello Listers
Message-ID: <c5f.55ca1408.3775a1cf@aol.com>

   Hello Listers, 'said in a very sad voice.'
   I've been trying without satisfactory results to rectify the problem I'm 
having with receiving list email through aol. I've started a new address 
with comcast for my list email only for now. But I may have foiled my first 
attempt at the subscription process. I'm not sure what I may have done. 
Perhaps I should be sending this message through my comcast address, but I haven't 
recieved any list mail with that address either, so I don't think I'm 
hooked up yet. I'm bummed that I've been missing out on FoT communications. I 
hope that I get it worked out soon. I miss you guys, sniff.

   Dave H.


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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 25 23:41:29 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:41:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
	<F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
	<062520091957.16306.4A43D6AE000B218800003FB222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net>
	<226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>
	<673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <555BF064-2CDB-4D0F-B514-FF956463F3A9@bnj.com>

Amen, tony.

As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any  
insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and  
NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In  
business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting  
someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping  
someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all  
anyone has time or focus for.

For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some  
stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.


On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of  
> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and  
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and  
> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing  
> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.   
> It's ALL racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"  
> racing series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jun 26 06:01:50 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:01:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako><062520091957.16306.4A43D6AE000B218800003FB222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net><226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud><673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net> 
	<7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W10851E42AE92BF63D0ED190350@phx.gbl>

Not all racing is created equal.  To love all racing is to ignore all the
politics of it.  I've always hated the IRL because of how the situation with
CART (which I liked)went down and their desire to eliminate all the road
courses.  I'm apparently not alone because lots of die hard Indy 500 fans
decided to mow their lawns instead of watch the race when the IRL took over.



My son Connor and I drove our Elva Courier at the local Porsche club autocross
this last weekend.  He's the third generation of Morrison's to drive it.  That
was fun.......................Cheers Henry

> From: rocky at spitfire4.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:16:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> I've always held the opinion that any race with two (or more) cars in close
> competition with each other is a good race, whether it lasts 24 hours or 4
> seconds.
>
> To drive, I'll choose road racing. And autocross.
>
> To watch, I'll choose ... what's on?
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
>
> > Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series. There are fans of all of
> > them on this forum. They all have their good and bad points.
> >
> > I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan. I also like IRL, Aussie and
> > European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and dirt).
> > Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
> >
> > I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look down
> > their nose at others who like a different kind of racing. It's ALL
> > racing.
> >
> > I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing
> > series.
> >
> > - Tony Drews
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun 26 06:29:37 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.>>

Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.



----- Original Message -----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Amen, tony.

As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any  
insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and  
NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In  
business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting  
someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping  
someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all  
anyone has time or focus for.

For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some  
stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.


On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of  
> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and  
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and  
> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing  
> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.   
> It's ALL racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"  
> racing series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 26 06:48:11 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:48:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <338658.82554.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I'll be plugged into Vs. and the offical website for updates.  Very
interesting route this year.

--- On Fri, 6/26/09, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:



<<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes
fast.>>

Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jun 26 07:00:42 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:00:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] The Glenwood report
Message-ID: <BLU116-W12569C0506BA45196C6B5090350@phx.gbl>

I know many of you have been waiting with baited breath to find out how the
TR6 and TR7 Dolly Sprint faired at this year's Glenwood Springs Rally.  The
Dolly Sprint left town without passing the emissions test and getting a
license plate so I went to my big stack of plates, picked out one from Belgium
and we headed out.  Immediately I noticed that the just rebuilt alternator was
not putting out so by Santa Fe the battery was dead.  Additionally the car was
running on two, three or four cylinders depending on the mood of the gods of
conductivity.  We limped along this way all the way to Denver with the
alternator occasionally working and various brackets breaking and loosing
bolts along the way.  A couple of overpriced glasses of wine at dinner even
had the Bride talking to me again.



Friday morning, in an act of desperation, I went to Sportscar Craftsmen in
Denver 45 minutes before the Rally for a tune up.  They have a really cool
shop if you're ever in Denver check it out.  They replaced some wires,
brackets and tightened up the license plate that was starting to fall off, and
got the car briefly back on four cylinders so away we went.  We did not win
the rallye.  My Bride and #1 son ran the TR6 down on fuel to where the crap
still left in the gas tank shut the car down 'til I could get there and
perform a little mouth to tank resusitation.  The TR6 didn't win the rally
either.



Somewhere along the next two days I figured out the coil wire ran about two
inches where it contacted the fire wall andmust have been shorting because a
tie wrap to a nearby radiator hose made the car run on four cylinders except
when climbing the steepest hills.



#2 son and Bride decided the pool was going to be more fun than the tour so #1
son and I ran the tour in the TR6. I think we only missed one question but
still we didn't place in the tour. I guess we should have worked a little
harder on the extra credit questions on BMC color schemes and differences in
badge engineering.



I thought after last year, when there was one car in the "Triumphs Other"
category, that our 50-50 paint job on the TR7 would be good enough for a
prize.  Not to be.  It must have been year of the wedge cause there was
another really nice 7, 8 and the most beautiful late model Spitfire on the
planet (who restores one of those?).



The trip home was fairly uneventful even though the charging system in the 7
had completely shut down.

We just played musical batteries with the TR6 that was performing brilliantly
even with near zero oil pressure at idle.  The TR7 would last about 5 hours on
a battery so we only had to switch twice on the journey back to Albuquerque.



The trip also included a pretty good tour of the French Restauraunts of
Central Colorado, whose expense began to rival the parts and repair bills of
the Leyland cars.  If you ever frequent Hesperus, Colorado, do not miss the
Kennebec Cafe.  Tres bien.



Back in Albuquerque, Cylinder #1 on the 7 had completely gone Winchester so I
switched out the new style distributor cap with a new original style cap and
the car ran perfectly, after 1500 miles of not so perfect performance.



My Bride would like to add at this point how much she enjoyed the feel and
performance of Leyland's new IRS rear suspension on the TR6 and the way only
two people were required to quickly and easily roll up the windows.  She
became entranced by the streamlined beauty offered by Triumph's TR7 and amazed
by how simply jumper cables could be deployed to escape from any convenience
store predicament.



Cheers,  Henry, Chris, Connor and Jake Morrison.  Cedar Crest, New Mexico

From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jun 26 09:38:32 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <F696496E-76BE-4396-AA6D-3797985225C5@charter.net>

Sailboat racing too.
On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> <<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it  
> goes fast.>>
>
> Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are  
> nuts.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Amen, tony.
>
> As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any
> insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and
> NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In
> business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting
> someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping
> someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all
> anyone has time or focus for.
>
> For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some
> stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of
>> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>>
>> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and
>> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and
>> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>>
>> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing
>> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.
>> It's ALL racing.
>>
>> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"
>> racing series.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 10:16:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:16:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <60E53062994C47CEBE3412954B3B4B94@Bud>

The cycling is wild stuff..downhill especially....2 tiny patches of 
adhesion...feet cleated to the pedals....and then there's the pace 
line....5-6" apart doing 25 mph...in a pack...the bikes in the center can 
get a 20% advantage
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <billb at bnj.com>; <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> <<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes 
> fast.>>
>
> Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Amen, tony.
>
> As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any
> insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and
> NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In
> business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting
> someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping
> someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all
> anyone has time or focus for.
>
> For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some
> stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of
>> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>>
>> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and
>> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and
>> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>>
>> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing
>> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.
>> It's ALL racing.
>>
>> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"
>> racing series.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 26 11:44:57 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <OFFE936BFE.1E5A9713-ON852575E1.004F58A6-852575E1.004FB022@dcx.dcx>
References: <OFFE936BFE.1E5A9713-ON852575E1.004F58A6-852575E1.004FB022@dcx.dcx>
Message-ID: <001b01c9f685$d2884900$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi

I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.

deweerdm at rogers.com


Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
[mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] 
Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul MacDonald
Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph


Paul

Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
Mike late in April/09 see below.

I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.

Thanks,Peter


Peter Bulkowski

----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----
                                                                           
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 Hi Peter                                                                   
 It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the         
 festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to   
 Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an  
 existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's 
 house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you   
 can sign me up??                                                           
 Thanks                                                                     
 Cheers Mike                                                                

From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jun 26 11:47:46 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
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Second.  Welcome Mike!

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul MacDonald 
Date: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
To: Fot 
Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca, deweerdm at rogers.com

> Hi
> 
> I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a 
> friend of Peter
> Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is 
> signed up for
> the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.
> 
> deweerdm at rogers.com
> 
> 
> Paul MacDonald
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
> [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] 
> Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: Paul MacDonald
> Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
> Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, 
> i meet
> Mike late in April/09 see below.
> 
> I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.
> 
> Thanks,Peter
> 
> 
> Peter Bulkowski
> 
> ----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 
> 10:26 AM -----
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> It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at 
> the 
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> me up to 
> Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if 
> added by an 
> existing member, and I remember talking about this site with 
> you at Dino's 
> house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works 
> and if you 
> can sign me up?? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Cheers Mike 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 12:06:26 2009
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Yea! I'm back on the FoT list
Message-ID: <724140752.109681246039586515.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I've finally made it back on the list.B 


I've hiked through a desert and found the Oasis.
B 
Thanks,
B Dave H.

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 26 12:57:55 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] VARA Vs HSR West
Message-ID: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I live in the Los Angeles area.  Out here there are two vintage organizations, VARA (the one I belong to), and HSR West.
I've compared the rule-books and web-sites, rules seem similar.  Have any of you run in both groups and if so, are there big differences between the two?
I am pleased with VARA overall and like their take on safety, no contact, competition, and car prep.

What do some of you think about these groups?

~Steve

From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Jun 26 17:38:45 2009
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:38:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
Message-ID: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>

I met Mike  at Mosport last weekend, good guy just gatting started. He will
benefit from our help. I second as well. Actually I was supposed to nominate
him earlier this week...


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca <peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca>;
deweerdm at rogers.com <deweerdm at rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph

Hi

I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.

deweerdm at rogers.com


Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
[mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca]
Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul MacDonald
Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph


Paul

Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
Mike late in April/09 see below.

I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.

Thanks,Peter


Peter Bulkowski

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 Hi Peter
 It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the
 festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to
 Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an
 existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's
 house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you
 can sign me up??
 Thanks
 Cheers Mike
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From andre at gt6.ca  Fri Jun 26 17:56:15 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <4362ae390906261656i6d6fb174vfab30f919f6a88fd@mail.gmail.com>

He introduced himself at Mosport as well.

Nice guy. I look forward to running against in the future. :)

A.

2009/6/26 Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>:
> I met Mike  at Mosport last weekend, good guy just gatting started. He will
> benefit from our help. I second as well. Actually I was supposed to
nominate
> him earlier this week...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 PM
> To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca <peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca>;
> deweerdm at rogers.com <deweerdm at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
>
> Hi
>
> I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
> Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
> the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.
>
> deweerdm at rogers.com
>
>
> Paul MacDonald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
> [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca]
> Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: Paul MacDonald
> Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
> Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph
>
>
> Paul
>
> Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
> Mike late in April/09 see below.
>
> I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.
>
> Thanks,Peter
>
>
> Peter Bulkowski
>
> ----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----
>
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>  Hi Peter
>  It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the
>  festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to
>  Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an
>  existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's
>  house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you
>  can sign me up??
>  Thanks
>  Cheers Mike
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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--
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada

From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 26 22:02:56 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car
Message-ID: <000001c9f6dc$27a543b0$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Read the latest.

 

Paul

 

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508
<http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&hl> &hl=

From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 23:11:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car
References: <000001c9f6dc$27a543b0$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <294B0391757F45D2BDFEBC364B1898E7@Bud>

Absolutely Beautiful!..thanks Paul..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul MacDonald" <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: "Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car


> Read the latest.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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> http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508
> <http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&hl> &hl=
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Sat Jun 27 07:50:14 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:50:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA Vs HSR West
In-Reply-To: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CE59AD2-AB1D-4C00-B755-4BBFF83B9FD2@gmail.com>

Hi steve,

I run with both groups and both organizations are great. Vara has a  
lot more triumphs. I have never seen another TR at an HSR event. Maybe  
at this next one there will be more since vara has no event in June.  
You end up running with really fast cars in Hsr. In
one race there was a race I was going against a race built center  
seated lotus exige (who lapped me
so many times I lost track), and also a 400 hp chevy powered Devin who  
I would pass every corner only to have him roar by me in the straight.  
I finally beat him, but it was tough! If you are thinking of an hsr  
event I would do Phoenix, because that track is awesome. I am thinking  
about Phoenix in November.
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:57 AM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I live in the Los Angeles area.  Out here there are two vintage  
> organizations, VARA (the one I belong to), and HSR West.
> I've compared the rule-books and web-sites, rules seem similar.   
> Have any of you run in both groups and if so, are there big  
> differences between the two?
> I am pleased with VARA overall and like their take on safety, no  
> contact, competition, and car prep.
>
> What do some of you think about these groups?
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun 27 18:49:23 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 0:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4
In-Reply-To: <294B0391757F45D2BDFEBC364B1898E7@Bud>
Message-ID: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>

I just picked up a TR4 race car formerly raced by Dennis Shea in SVRA. It is a lighter blue and formerly raced with Gulf Oil stickers and paint scheme. The car went through the hands of Sheldon Peterson and Michael Warburton. All of these guys were from Western New York although Denny moved to North Carolina with the car in the 90's. He passed away tragicallty after a motorcycle accident in February reportedly caused by a drunk driver. My son is going to be racing this car and I am going to be trying to find out its history. The story is that it was a race car from new. Does anyone know of these guys or this car?

Bob Kramer
There's always room for One More Triumph

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sat Jun 27 22:02:18 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4
In-Reply-To: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>
References: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>
Message-ID: <8A63FBB4FE8248DA9946F9F84C035031@ComputerPC>

I often pitted with Denny in the late 80s when I had a TR4 vintage racer. 
His home track was Watkins; he lived close by.
He went fast in his TR4 - his biggest problem was that his feet were so big 
he would hit two pedals at the same time.
He was a delightful guy.  A friend was always with him who did a lot of the 
wrenching.  I can't remember his name - he drove a TVR. Denny's wife would 
know him.
One year at Watkins I burned a hole in #4 piston. Denny drove home and 
brought back a bucket of used pistons.  While a friend scraped the aluminum 
off the liner, I dug thru the bucket and chose the only piston that had all 
3 rings.  I tried to take rings off pistons but they were so brittle they 
kept breaking.  Never mind the size of the piston; it wasn't too big so I 
put it in.  Finished 6th on Sunday.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4


>I just picked up a TR4 race car formerly raced by Dennis Shea in SVRA. It 
>is a lighter blue and formerly raced with Gulf Oil stickers and paint 
>scheme. The car went through the hands of Sheldon Peterson and Michael 
>Warburton. All of these guys were from Western New York although Denny 
>moved to North Carolina with the car in the 90's. He passed away 
>tragicallty after a motorcycle accident in February reportedly caused by a 
>drunk driver. My son is going to be racing this car and I am going to be 
>trying to find out its history. The story is that it was a race car from 
>new. Does anyone know of these guys or this car?
>
> Bob Kramer
> There's always room for One More Triumph
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 28 08:52:42 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT artwork
Message-ID: <277627.73209.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Group:

If anyone has the art work for the FOT coat of arms in a PDF or other form, if you would send me a copy I could really use it for the 2010 Kastner Cup shirt I'm working on.

Thanks,

Ernie

From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Jun 28 13:27:06 2009
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:27:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1246212001.20093.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>

Did not see if this went out....


Any ideas about some other improved way to open the hood on my TR6....

I bought the new crappy one from Moss Motors, of course, the 3 cents 5/16" bolt they charge 85 cents for wasn't with it...  "Hello parts dept..."

If I knew what a POS it was I would have already been working on a better idea...

Bobby Whitehead

igofaster at charter.net

From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Jun 28 13:35:52 2009
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:35:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] hood release for TR6
Message-ID: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>

OK FoT... TR6 hood release ...   I bought the new POS from Moss Motors from Tiawan... of course they don't include the 3 cent 5/16th bolt to HOLD the cable...had to get on the phone and ORDER the bolt, (85 cents for a 3 cent bolt).
Of course, it's all cheap stuff anyway, well, the bolt stipped out and even under some pressure on the hood release cable, slipped....

so...

is there something hotrod aftermarket that will work????


should be driven right now ... except I can't close the hood....

Bobby Whitehead

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 28 13:44:14 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:44:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>
References: <mailman.3.1246212001.20093.fot@autox.team.net>
	<20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <20090628194417.95176187A67@autox.team.net>

You can kinda see the arrangement on Uncle Jack's TR-6 (now Randy 
Williams' TR-6) here: 
http://www.tonydrews.com/UncleJackTR6/2009_0509UncleJackTR60043.JPG

A lever is bolted to the right hand side of the release with a fairly 
large diameter solid wire (hidden in the photo) running straight 
down, through the bottom of the battery box area into the passenger 
compartment.  When you pull down on the wire, it pulls down on the 
lever which pushes the release mechanism toward the rear of the car 
releasing the hood.

Tony Drews


At 02:27 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
>Did not see if this went out....
>
>
>Any ideas about some other improved way to open the hood on my TR6....
>
>I bought the new crappy one from Moss Motors, of course, the 3 cents 
>5/16" bolt they charge 85 cents for wasn't with it...  "Hello parts dept..."
>
>If I knew what a POS it was I would have already been working on a 
>better idea...
>
>Bobby Whitehead
>
>igofaster at charter.net
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>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jun 28 20:01:54 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kramer's new TR4 is on the VIR History page.
References: <20090628175219.9WJOU.382766.root@hrndva-web12-z01>
Message-ID: <8AD5A7CC0459490EB04EECD3ADEB3AE9@hp532n>

I'm home with the new car and I've done a little research trying to find out 
the history. I found a picture of the car on the VIRHistory.com page, and it 
was raced by a Robert Johnson at VIR in July 26-27, 1969. It appears to have 
a Valvoline ARRC Particiapnt sticker on the side but his name doesn't show 
up on the lists I can find. Maybe he had just purchased it?

I have the SCCA logbook for an Ott Jenson starting in 1972. It then went 
from Sheldon Peterson,  to Micheal Warburt and John Forrester before Dennis 
Shea restored it in the early 80's. I have Dennis' SVRA logbooks.

Any help appreciated.

Bob Kramer

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 28 20:12:52 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:12:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk race last weekend (video link too)
Message-ID: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>

Last weekend I went racing at Blackhawk Farms Raceway in Beloit, 
Wisconsin with VSCDA.  Was pretty hot and humid, otherwise, the 
storms only affected the Friday Morning practice sessions.  We had 
several Triumphs there: me in my TR-4, Joe Alexander and his sons and 
grandkids - he's got his TR-4 back together, Tim and Ryan Murphy with 
their TR-4, Dennis and Joan Delap with their Surrey top TR-4, Scott 
and Jerry Barr with Scott's Spitfire, and Bob Wismer in his TR-4.

We had two races - a 12 lap race on Saturday as well as a 12 lap race 
on Sunday.  There was also a handicap race on Sunday which I ended up missing.

In Saturday's race, I started 6th and finished 3rd.  Didn't pass 
anyone in anger on the track, but was hounded from behind by Ron 
Suave in his 1275 bugeye.  I had an odd problem with the brakes 
causing me to have to pump several times going into the corners.  I 
thought it was worse after a left hand turn so figured I had a wheel 
bearing going out.  Bob Wismer had spares, so figured I'd take care 
of it Sunday morning.

Sunday morning, I backed into a car in the hotel parking lot - was 
irritated that I locked something in my room and was distracted, 
apparently.  So, that delayed my arrival at the track, ultimately 
causing me to miss the Handicap race.  I wasn't that upset - as hot 
as it was I would have baked in the car for quite a while before they 
let me on the track for the Handicap race anyway.  My brake problem 
turned out to be boiling brake fluid - a flush with new Castrol LMA 
and all was well.  In Sunday's race, I started 5th and finished 
4th.  Ron broke down, so I ended up running alone for most of the 
race.  I did have the camera going so put together a 10 minute video 
for those of you that like that kind of thing.

It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNeL8bxrPQ

Drove the car back on the trailer, successful weekend!

Cheers, Tony Drews

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 06:58:26 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 29 07:07:44 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
In-Reply-To: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>
References: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W52B0CC22234AC0D16B12FBA300@phx.gbl>

Second of my first second.



Marty

> From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:26 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
>
> Amici,
>
> Somehow, the original nomination got lost.
>
> I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
> has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
> and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
> Stag as well.
>
> His email is pat at patrickbarber.com
>
> Seconds anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
> --
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 07:08:29 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:08:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <001f01c9f8ba$b30f4e20$192dea60$@net>

Please ignore the cc address in the original email, somehow I had the wrong
address in my address book. The correct address is below.

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Jun 29 07:23:02 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>
References: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <4A48C036.8000307@charter.net>

There are good photo's on this site

(http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/emergency_hood_release.htm)

I have had one of these on my 71 TR6 for a number or years and it has 
come in handy since I was locked out originally.

Glenn Franco
72 Spit race car and too many TR's

Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> OK FoT... TR6 hood release ...   I bought the new POS from Moss Motors from Tiawan... of course they don't include the 3 cent 5/16th bolt to HOLD the cable...had to get on the phone and ORDER the bolt, (85 cents for a 3 cent bolt).
> Of course, it's all cheap stuff anyway, well, the bolt stipped out and even under some pressure on the hood release cable, slipped....
>
> so...
>
> is there something hotrod aftermarket that will work????
>
>
> should be driven right now ... except I can't close the hood....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Mon Jun 29 08:21:59 2009
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 7:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk race last weekend (video link too)
In-Reply-To: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090629102159.CIPKF.1005137.root@mp07>

Tony,

Overall it sounds like a good weekend.  I talked with Ron on Wed and he's in need of an engine rebuild.  His problem is the bearing on the #1 con rod.  So I pointed him to a good engine guy as he's not happy with the one that rebuilt it this last time.

Have a good day.

Dave Hesse

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 

=============
Last weekend I went racing at Blackhawk Farms Raceway in Beloit, 
Wisconsin with VSCDA.  Was pretty hot and humid, otherwise, the 
storms only affected the Friday Morning practice sessions.  We had 
several Triumphs there: me in my TR-4, Joe Alexander and his sons and 
grandkids - he's got his TR-4 back together, Tim and Ryan Murphy with 
their TR-4, Dennis and Joan Delap with their Surrey top TR-4, Scott 
and Jerry Barr with Scott's Spitfire, and Bob Wismer in his TR-4.

We had two races - a 12 lap race on Saturday as well as a 12 lap race 
on Sunday.  There was also a handicap race on Sunday which I ended up missing.

In Saturday's race, I started 6th and finished 3rd.  Didn't pass 
anyone in anger on the track, but was hounded from behind by Ron 
Suave in his 1275 bugeye.  I had an odd problem with the brakes 
causing me to have to pump several times going into the corners.  I 
thought it was worse after a left hand turn so figured I had a wheel 
bearing going out.  Bob Wismer had spares, so figured I'd take care 
of it Sunday morning.

Sunday morning, I backed into a car in the hotel parking lot - was 
irritated that I locked something in my room and was distracted, 
apparently.  So, that delayed my arrival at the track, ultimately 
causing me to miss the Handicap race.  I wasn't that upset - as hot 
as it was I would have baked in the car for quite a while before they 
let me on the track for the Handicap race anyway.  My brake problem 
turned out to be boiling brake fluid - a flush with new Castrol LMA 
and all was well.  In Sunday's race, I started 5th and finished 
4th.  Ron broke down, so I ended up running alone for most of the 
race.  I did have the camera going so put together a 10 minute video 
for those of you that like that kind of thing.

It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNeL8bxrPQ

Drove the car back on the trailer, successful weekend!

Cheers, Tony Drews
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 08:22:09 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <803957.81987.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Second, Third, Forth, whatever it takes .... 
  Anyone who has done this much with a spit is crazy enough to be one of us
...
 
Welcome Pat to our group ...  please introduce yourself .. looking forward to
meeting you.


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
To: "Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:08 AM


Please ignore the cc address in the original email, somehow I had the wrong
address in my address book. The correct address is below.

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 10:01:00 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC Test And Tune Invitation
In-Reply-To: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
References: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D51914D4-A8B5-4FC0-B740-23BCA521075D@bnj.com>

I had a nice email from Mark Pendergrass who is the track steward for  
the Northwest Shelby Club inviting any FOT members who are coming to  
the Columbia River Classic to stay an extra day for a test and tune day:


"SAAC NW ( shelby club) is going to hold a drivers training day on  
sept. 8 (the day after the CRC). For insurance reasons we call it a  
training day. We have 4 run groups, novice thru advanced. It appears  
that a few FoTrs will be out here to enjoy PIR for the ABFM/CRC and  
we'd like to invite the FoT family to stay an extra day and get more  
seat time and or a test and tune day. The cost is 160.00 pre- 
registered up to 2wks prior or 175.00 after that. We have scca turn  
workers and all the other required items you would find on track.

Thanks Mark Pendergrass #65 tr4"

That's a very reasonable price for track time that you can use any way  
you choose.  Of course the CRC is already a lot of track time, but it  
will be primarily actual racing. If you need some development time for  
you car this will be particularly valuable because PIR is an extremely  
good testing track. The way the hot pits work is ideal for trying  
suspension tweaks and testing tire temperatures. Please contact Mark  
directly if you are interested in this-I've included his email address.

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 11:30:16 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT coat of arms thanks
Message-ID: <433350.46061.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the FOT Coat of Arms
artwork.  I have received several copies, of both the old and new.
 
Thanks again.
 
Ernie

From GRMTim at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 15:07:35 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:07:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ accepted at Monterey
Message-ID: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>

Well,

I did enter the Group 44 GT6+ into the Monterey Historics and it was 
accepted. Now begins the arduous task of figuring out logistics of getting it 
there, crewing, spares and then deciding if Portland is also realistic.

Several of you contacted me about this when I was trying to decide whether 
or not to enter the car and acutally swayed me with promises of help on the 
west coast. How many of you are still out there, as I am looking for ideas 
and some help? I also had one FOT member say he had some more Lbra wheels, 
which I willl need if I am to run this thing.

Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



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where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)

From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 15:58:01 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:58:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ accepted at Monterey
In-Reply-To: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>
References: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>
Message-ID: <487E677F-97F9-4B8F-AEE4-B46B3020CB4D@bnj.com>

Oops, too long, resending:

Congratulations. I don't know if you done the Monterey Historics
before. Not a huge amount of track time, but it's great fun. Several
things to make sure you attend:

The driver's party--I've heard of people actually giving this a pass.
Crazy!! Not like any driver's party you've ever attended before.
Spectacular food. And don't skip the award ceremony on Sunday either.
Great fun.

The
Quail--http://www.quaillodge.com/events/index.cfm?eventId=EV_2009020411145569
2491
   Kind of Toity but spectacular.  It's sold out already but if you
have any buddies at Bonhams they might front you a pass.

Nightime auctions in town--Bring a cigar and a flask.

Here's a basic schedule

Saturday, 8 Aug 2009
Monterey Pre-Historic Races

Sunday, 9 Aug 2009
Monterey Pre-Historic Races

Monday, 10 Aug 2009
No Listing

Tuesday, 11 Aug 2009
Automobilla Monterey
Carmel-by-the-Sea Concours on the Avenue. This year, one day only!
(Porsche, Ferrari and all Marques)

Wednesday, 12 Aug 2009
Automobilia Monterey
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
McCall Motorworks Revial 2009

Thursday, 13 Aug 2009
Pebble Beach Tour dIligance
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale

Friday, 14 Aug 2009
Monterey Historic Races -- featuring Porsche
Pacific Grove Concours Auto Rally
Pelican Wine Tour and Canyon Run (Porsche cars)
The Quail, A Motorsports Gathering - SOLD OUT!
Bonhams & Butterfields Auction
Concorso Italiano
la Dolce Vita Concours dIligance (a new event)
RM Auction
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto

Saturday, 15 Aug 2009
Monterey Historic Races-featuring Porsche
Gooding & Company Auction
RM Auction
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto


Sunday, 16 Aug 2009
Pebble Beach Concours dIligance
Gooding & Company Auction
Monterey Historic Races -- featuring Porsche
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto


Peyote was accepted too, but I just had to withdraw. My brother is
putting on a charity event in Boston the same weekend (30 miles of
paddling stand up paddle boards across Cape Cod Bay), and has just
gone through brain surgery. I feel I have to support him this year, so
I had to pull out.

I'm not happy. I love the historics. Some racers dislike the limited
track time, but there's so much to do for car guys that you find
yourself spinning in indecision.

Incidentally, if you don't have a place to stay already book, prepare
yourself for pain. You can stay in the paddock but hotels, the
campgrounds at Laguna and every cheap motel six up and down the coast
has doubled or tripled their rate and are probably already booked
solid. If you need a place shoot me an email, I might be able to help
but it will take some research.

I can certainly still offer other help though, especially if you need
a place to store the car before the CRC, or anything else like that.
What do you need?

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 19:04:08 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
Message-ID: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI
For those who have done it.
What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
I'd like to do that event before it's all over.

Thanks for any insight
Dennis 

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 19:17:43 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:17:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
References: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3201EA990F7E45C2BEEDAC8CFDFBB255@Bud>

Hi Dennis...I have not raced in it...I often go as pit crew for 
friends....The whole Scenario is Magnificent..It's a mind blower.......My 
favorite part is the 'Welcome Banquet'.....It's hard to describe....How 
about...a P-51 surprise Fly Over while we're socialing and wine 
tasting?(maybe 6 years ago).
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?


> AMICI
> For those who have done it.
> What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
> I'd like to do that event before it's all over.
>
> Thanks for any insight
> Dennis
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 20:03:18 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
In-Reply-To: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A9EB9D7C-0EDE-4224-B08D-6E402D45F4CC@bnj.com>

I assume you're talking about YOUR personal trip on the Merry Go  
Round. I expect the Historics will go for a long while.

What it takes first of all is asking to be invited. Write a letter to  
General Racing and tell them about your car. It's really the car that  
gets invited, not the driver, though you have to let them know (and  
they have to approve) of any driver change. There are people who try  
to buy their way into Monterey by paying for a seat in a car that has  
been accepted.  Doesn't work, generally.

People go to Monterey and walk through the paddock to see race cars,  
cool cars and exotics. Your car has either be really nice, or really  
real. Patina is welcome. Contrary to popular belief they will take  
many different cars, and certainly production cars with a race  
history. The more history you can detail the better.

But they tend to take more true race cars than anything else. In  
theory it's a little easier to get in when your marque is featured, in  
practice while they took 150 porsches this year who knows how many  
Porsche entries they got. My friend Cameron got his 906 and 906  
accepted but not his Pooper. I don't expect to see Triumph as the  
featured Marque any time soon, though they sure surprised me with the  
"specials" choice a few years ago.

It helps to have a car that has a long history at the Historics.  
Peyote has been there many times and is well known. It also helps to  
participate in HMSA events and less saturated General Racing events.  
Wine Country, Limerock, etc. Then they know you and your car.

Other than that it's just a crapshoot. I've heard absurd numbers for  
how many entries they get.

On Jun 29, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

>
> AMICI
> For those who have done it.
> What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
> I'd like to do that event before it's all over.
>
> Thanks for any insight
> Dennis

From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Mon Jun 29 21:48:44 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <4A498B1C.1040500@cyberspeedway.net>

    HSR West will find a place for you. Also, our local Arizona SCCA 
Vintage run group uses one of our SCCA stewards but most of the rest of 
their requirements are decided among themselves. They generaally accept 
other sanctioning bodies licenses. SCCA Vintage requires current driver 
safety gear. The cars can have roll hoops or cages. Right now we only 
run a Closed wheel group mostly LBCs and one or two Datsuns.
Greg Lund

jim hearn wrote:
> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> Jim
> 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 22:45:28 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:45:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
	<4A498B1C.1040500@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <4A025214CF2547B0AEE1698436A9990B@Bud>

Hi Jim...HSR west Race at Infineon..1st time ever...last weekend in 
august...
Racer bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "greg" <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
To: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1 at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California


>    HSR West will find a place for you. Also, our local Arizona SCCA 
> Vintage run group uses one of our SCCA stewards but most of the rest of 
> their requirements are decided among themselves. They generaally accept 
> other sanctioning bodies licenses. SCCA Vintage requires current driver 
> safety gear. The cars can have roll hoops or cages. Right now we only run 
> a Closed wheel group mostly LBCs and one or two Datsuns.
> Greg Lund
>
> jim hearn wrote:
>> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
>> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local 
>> vintage
>> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license 
>> but
>> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one 
>> or
>> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage 
>> races
>> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that 
>> currently.
>> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough 
>> to
>> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort 
>> of
>> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>> Jim
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had 
>> a name of winmail.dat]
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun 30 08:26:16 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Warning: No LBC content
Message-ID: <20090630142619.775A0187CB4@autox.team.net>

I normally don't pass these things around, but thought you guys might 
get a kick out of this.  It's a 6-1/2 minute show on VW's 
"transparent factory" in Dresden.  Very cool.
http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-factory.htm

- Tony Drews

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 30 19:13:34 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ANOTHER REASON THAT NASCAR TRIUMPHS
Message-ID: <3EF71500511349B99907B0058BD2A220@Bud>

Hi Friends....I just got off the phone talkin' to my Mom....She's 88 years
old....We lost  Dad about 9 months ago at 91.. My Dad, Charlie was a true 'Car
Guy'....So.. Mom Knows about the love for this stuff......
I suggested to Mom that she tune in to the NASCAR race last weekend....The
first message she left me was that she was havn' an Incredible time watchin'
the 'Pre Race Stuff'.....The next morning she called to tell me about the rain
situation..and about Joey Lugano(sp) winning....Yesterday she informed me of
the Jeremy Mayfield steroid updates....Now she's excited as heck, waiting for
the Cocal Cola 400 at Daytona on saturday.......She calls me with 'ALL THE HOT
NASCAR NEWS'......
She's now a member of my internet... Racing Newsletter Gang(she doesn't have a
computer yet, but she's still a 'Gang Member' ),,Her Gang name(by her own
request) is NATALIE VROOOM-VROOOM DELAUER.......
This is terrific stuff....NASCAR makes auto racing available to the
Mainstream....
Thank You NASCAR!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21

From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 16:15:53 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:15:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [VRG NewsGroup] VRG New Jersey Historics Sept 18-20
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Put this on your calenders.
SVRA will also be on Thunderbolt (hopefully sans chicane) the first weekend
of October.

Bob

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From: Mark Palmer <mgvrmark at hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] VRG New Jersey Historics Sept 18-20
To: VRG Newsgroup <vrg_newsgroup at yahoogroups.com>




 Folks,

Since Billy Mays has sadly passed away, it looks like I will have to pitch
our New Jersey event myself.  No problem, I learned everything I know from
Ralph Steinberg (rumor has it, so did Billy!)

The *ENTRY FORM IS OUT *-- see the latest VRG Newsletter, which went to all
VRG members a couple days ago.  The entry form is also posted on the VRG web
site, click here for a direct link to the form:

http://www.vrgonline.org/EVENTS/NJMP/NJMP09_Entry_V1.pdf

or if that doesn't work, go to www.vrgonline.org click on "events" then
"Thunderbolt Historics" then "entry form".  (P.S. we changed the name this
year to "New Jersey Historics" to more accurately reflect the track).

*We really need your support *for this event.  NJMP is an expensive track to
rent, and last year we had the pleasure of hosting the MG Vintage Racers,
who brought about 50 entries.  We need to attract more entries this year to
take the place of all those MG's.

So why should you enter?  It's close to home for many of us; an interesting
new track; we're the only vintage club with an event on the Lightning
Circuit, which is faster and more flowing than Thunderbolt; lots of track
time; reasonable entry fee; a great Saturday night barbecue at the Air
Museum again this year; and I'm working on a few other surprises (stay
tuned).

Also, if you haven't made your hotel reservations already I strongly suggest
that you take advantage of the special VRG room rates at the following
hotels.  These are the two nicest hotels in the area, and the rates are
excellent (most places are charging $150/night for that weekend!)

*Wingate by Wyndham*, Vineland, 856-690-9900, $105/night, ask for the
"Vintage Racer Group" rate.

*Country Inn by Carlson*, Millville, 856-825-3100, $90/night includes
breakfast, ask for the "Vintage Racer Group" rate.

I know there are many great events to choose from in the fall, and I hope
you'll consider supporting VRG by entering our New Jersey event (and our
Watkins Glen event in October) -- these are both major undertakings for VRG
and we truly appreciate your support!

Mark Palmer

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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  1 02:05:28 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:05:28 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TTA Stag status as of May 31
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Tim Buja wrote:
> I've updated the TTA website with news and pictures about our build progress
> and "uncle jack"'s public debut on Sunday.
> http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk/
> Thanks to everyone who contributed to this gallant and successful effort to
> recover from the catastrophic failure of only one week ago.  We could not
> have done this without your help.

In a world that is overloaded with cliche, the events of the last week - starting last Sunday - and 
the stresses since then, all go to prove what really can be achieved with "absolute teamwork." I am 
truly and utterly amazed that in less than seven days, the replacements for all the damaged parts 
were located, shipped to where they were needed and then brought together into a whole.
This achievement is, by any standards, utterly staggering and a tribute to everyone who played their 
part to overcome the misfortune.
I call you guys the "Works Team" because unlike a works team, you didn't have a truck full of parts 
on your doorstep. However, you all pulled together against the most daunting odds and carried out 
work that a Works Team would be proud to be associated with.
I salute you all with admiration, gratitude and complete amazement at what you achieved in the time 
you had at your disposal.
Thank you, SO much.
"uncle jack" looks superb and I do so hope that members of the Triumph racing fraternity in the US 
and Canada take time out to see what was achieved by all of you. I'm confident as well that Jack 
Drews would have approved to see his name associated with your handiwork. There is a whole lot more 
to say about this overall restoration - but it'll have to wait until I get the opportunity of saying 
it face to face with a raft of other people.
You guys achieved the impossible and though it did take a few days longer, you performed a miracle 
too.
Well done!

John Macartney 


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jun  1 07:06:08 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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Interestingly I was just sent a link to an article from the New York Times on
professions that involve getting dirt under your fingernails.  I think it sums
up why we build our own stuff. There is a need to do something tangible and
sitting behind a computer doesn't fill that need at all. In some sick way even
the failures seem to help fill that void. It puts you back to work to get it
right.

www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24labor-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&em



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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:26 PM
To: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph; Bill Bartlett
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing
much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth.
Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Bill Bartlett"
<BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?


> Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO  [build
> my own].  Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot  on too.
> Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a  perfectionist
> it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On  the other hand about
> the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the  head because it's
> necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient.
> My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's  where
> the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it  right the
> first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and  what I expect
> of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other  year tear-down has
> worked. Each of three times now I've been able to  find concerns before
> they became problems.
> One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was
> getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a  hole
> thru the cover or worse.
> Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see
> astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.-  I'm
> cheap but DO want to get it right.
> The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or  inferior
> material I'll never know, but it was caught in time.
> On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A  friend
> of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has  been sending
> his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two  seasons now and is
> now ready to go for every four races! If you can  afford that, go for it.
> I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are  on
> the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of  patience and
> attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's  not your thing,
> don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always  have at least a bit
> more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having  said that I will do as
> best I can to avoid The Big One.
> As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the  BMO
> are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to  the
> others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 08:07:26 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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On Sat, 30 May 2009, Bill Bartlett wrote:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B

mine (so far) are home-built. I've also built 5 or 10 for other folks. 
I've def. done at least three from scratch and I've had a hand in the 
other ones...

I haven't built anything more than what the Kastner TR6 book says (yet). 
I'm looking for reliabitiy more than ultimate power.

the only prob. I've had to this point with all those motors was a broken 
rocker arm which was a rebuilt stock piece. Rather than risk that problem 
again, I switched to roller rockers about 5 years ago. def. the way to go 
if you're not constrained by rules.

These motors are easy to work on as long as you're not trying to get 2X 
the factory specs from them.

regards,
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 08:16:17 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 30 May 2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build
> it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build.


The latest Classic Motorsports mag has just such an article.

Check it out.

rml
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun  1 08:45:29 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas on engine building
Message-ID: <000001c9e2c7$9c5e3a00$d51aae00$@com>

Long day yesterday.  Overlooked giving credit where credit is due to Kas's
books and his e-mails to me when I was working on the engine builds.  Also
invaluable, as was the Drews help.  Sorry, Kas and thanks!

 

Tim


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:47:13 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:47:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>
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Dick Stockton builds his own motors, but he is a retired "pro".

Bob Adams


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 09:55:20 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:55:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
Message-ID: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>

I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
material than stock.

Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
etc.


From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:59:23 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <354a1780906010859q7bb4de29ya20535677dd3c5c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it
> runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied
> with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in
> excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up
> the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many
> times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!
> I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am
> wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction
> material than stock.



Ted Schumacher has carbon kevlar shoes for the drums used in the TR series
cars. I would start with him.

HTH,

Irv Korey


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 10:21:42 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:21:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <541947624.1714121243873302271.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm with you Tony, If I had to pay for engine builds I probably wouldn't be
doing it.

I have learned how not to build them a couple timesB but with advice
fromB your

website, Kas, FoT, Ken G of BFEB and Fred Hodgson of Auto Wizards I'm getting
better.

My background has been in small & big block chevy's but as I found out the
hard way

there is very little that translates to our little tactor motors.

Without these resources it would take years and lots of money in blown motors

to get it right.



Jim G.

RMVR


----- Original Message -----
From: tony at tonydrews.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:26:25 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). B If
I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. B I put
together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. B Of course,
Kas's books are invaluable!

I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
there.

http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm

I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.

But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. B No knock to
them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
to make sense, I think.

- Tony Drews

Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun  1 12:21:29 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>

I recently asked the same question and got some great response.  I decided
on the Carbotech rear shoes with the 913 compound for our TR4.  Haven't
reported the results back yet because we haven't run a race since getting
them.  Next race is Blackhawk on June 20-21st in South Beloit,IL.  Go to
www.ctbrakes.com/pads/triumph.htm  they list the GT 6 rear drum shoes and
linings as CTS211 at a cost of $149 for the 913 compound.  It's a pretty
nice site.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?

I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
material than stock.

Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
etc.
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Jun  1 12:45:37 2009
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:45:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
	<000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>
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Tim, Scott, et al.  Our Kevlar shoes, bonded and riveted, are $60/axle 
set (4 shoes) exchange.  Good cold stop power, no warm up needed. Drum 
and rotor friendly.  Two yeas ago our brakes were on the HP SCCA 
National Champion Spit at Topeka.  Ted




Tim Murphy wrote:
> I recently asked the same question and got some great response.  I decided
> on the Carbotech rear shoes with the 913 compound for our TR4.  Haven't
> reported the results back yet because we haven't run a race since getting
> them.  Next race is Blackhawk on June 20-21st in South Beloit,IL.  Go to
> www.ctbrakes.com/pads/triumph.htm  they list the GT 6 rear drum shoes and
> linings as CTS211 at a cost of $149 for the 913 compound.  It's a pretty
> nice site.
>
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Scott Janzen
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
>
> I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
> runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
> with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
> excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
> the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
> times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
> I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
> wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
> material than stock.
>
> Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
> vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
> etc.
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:40:03 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jun  1 13:57:55 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:57:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D068947485F4419901C39EAAA1F5EB3@joepentiumnew>

I don't know about steel wheels but I bought some 15" Panasports From Ted S.
that have the right bolt pattern.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Nikas
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:40 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 15:15:09 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011639580.6134@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, John Nikas wrote:

> Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
> inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
> bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
> they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
> steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

Not many fit off the shelf, the bolt pattern is 4 on 3.75 or 4 on 96 mm, 
something like that.

If you want to fit "jap car" wheels to your TR7, there are vendors that 
sell adapters to go from 4 on whatever to 4 on 100mm, a common zise for 
"tuner" cars. The only drawback to this approach is the fact that most 
tuner wheels run lots of offset - BUT the adapters act like spacers and 
cancel some of the change in offset.

In other words - the adapter approach will def. work for some folks.

Whether you prefer to run spacers and that sort of thing is a personal 
preference, or so it seems.

Me - if I happened to have a TR7 or TR8, I'd either make custom hubs or 
convert what's there to 4 on 4.5" because I have about a zillion 4 on 4.5 
wheels from having owned TR6's since the 70's. :-) Oh - and it's not hard 
to get a Ford 8.8" diff to fit a TR7/8 and you can easily get 4 on 4.5" 
hubs for that setup.

> -- 
> Very truly yours,
>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306


regards,
rml
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  1 15:18:49 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <036084C1825F400AA6E090017523BD13@KasPC>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com>
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Year 2008 was an expensive one with 5 engine blows in 4 race events.
In some cases trouble started when I went away from Mr. Kastners
recommendations and trying to be more smart then him. Then disaster was
programmed.

For my part I try to be close to the Kastner books and the helping e-mails
when I build an engine and doing less listening to other people.

Chris (who has again scuffed 4 pistons before the season starts)


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Juni 2009 06:26
An: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph; Bill Bartlett
Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing
much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth.
Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too)


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 15:28:38 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:28:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <080a01c9e2ff$eea2e300$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all, I put 7/8" rear wheel cylinders on the TR6 to replace the 3/4''
originals and got better rear braking. Got them from BPNW for a Morgan, I
think. Also run Teds rear shoes, they work fine.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
  To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:55 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?


  > I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it
  > runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied
  > with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in
  > excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up
  > the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many
  > times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!
  > I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am
  > wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction
  > material than stock.
  >
  > Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run
  > vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,
  > etc.
  > _______________________________________________
  > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
  >
  > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 15:54:40 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
References: <541947624.1714121243873302271.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <082801c9e303$90f74120$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi Gang, I build my own after having the machine shop check the align
bore, shave the head, etc. I grind my own valves and seats and do the
assembly work.
  Full disclosure: in a previous life I went to an automotive college and
worked for a decade or so as a mechanic. Have all the tools (and then some!)
and a big garage. And hundreds of drill bits and taps- let me know what you
need.
  Kaz is right, take your time and do it right. Clean everything thoroughly.
And get an accurate torque wrench; spend the money on a good one and it will
last for years. Same with dial indicators or mics.
  Before you even think about firing it up, build up oil pressure. I made a
shaft to turn the oil pump after the dist and drive gear are out. Drive it
with a drill motor; works great. Pull the spark plugs and turn the engine
over with a spare starter motor. Make sure you have oil everywhere.
  Then like Kaz says, there's nothing like hearing your own creation come to
life!
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: <tony at tonydrews.com>
  Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?


  > I'm with you Tony, If I had to pay for engine builds I probably wouldn't
be
  > doing it.
  >
  > I have learned how not to build them a couple timesB but with advice
  > fromB your
  >
  > website, Kas, FoT, Ken G of BFEB and Fred Hodgson of Auto Wizards I'm
getting
  > better.
  >
  > My background has been in small & big block chevy's but as I found out
the
  > hard way
  >
  > there is very little that translates to our little tactor motors.
  >
  > Without these resources it would take years and lots of money in blown
motors
  >
  > to get it right.
  >
  >
  >
  > Jim G.
  >
  > RMVR
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: tony at tonydrews.com
  > To: fot at autox.team.net
  > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:26:25 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
  > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
  >
  > I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). B If
  > I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
  > But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. B I put
  > together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
  > couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
  > to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. B Of course,
  > Kas's books are invaluable!
  >
  > I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
  > there.
  >
  > http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm
  >
  > I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.
  >
  > But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
  > aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. B No knock to
  > them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
  > to make sense, I think.
  >
  > - Tony Drews
  >
  > Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:
  >
  > > Curiosity
  > > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
  > > professionally built and prepped?
  > > Bill B
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jun  1 17:36:50 2009
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:36:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
Message-ID: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>

  _____  

From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Craig
Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.



it's time for fiat jokes.

Got any more of them?

Craig

 

 

How do you get spare parts for a Fiat? 
/ Just follow another one around.
  
 
When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat? 
/ When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
 
Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device? 
/ They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
 
What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual? 
/The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
 
How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour? 
/ Push it over a cliff.
 
A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for my
Fiat." 
/ The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade." 

How do you make a Fiat go faster? 
/Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
 
What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop? 
/ A miracle.


What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop? 
/ Science fiction.


What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop? 
/ A funny place to build a Fiat factory. 





 


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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 17:54:02 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>

What do the letters FIAT stand for?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


>  _____
>
> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: Craig
> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>
>
>
> it's time for fiat jokes.
>
> Got any more of them?
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> / Just follow another one around.
>
>
> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>
> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>
> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>
> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> / Push it over a cliff.
>
> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
> my
> Fiat."
> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>
> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>
> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> / A miracle.
>
>
> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> / Science fiction.
>
>
> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:04:21 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3DB4E9E40ACC41E38E548CC77489DC51@Bud>

Ques...How do you make your neighbors think you have a Jaguar when you can't 
really afford one?
answ.  Pour some oil on your driveway
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


>  _____
>
> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: Craig
> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>
>
>
> it's time for fiat jokes.
>
> Got any more of them?
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> / Just follow another one around.
>
>
> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>
> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>
> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>
> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> / Push it over a cliff.
>
> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
> my
> Fiat."
> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>
> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>
> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> / A miracle.
>
>
> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> / Science fiction.
>
>
> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Mon Jun  1 18:05:54 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
Message-ID: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Turino
 
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700 "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
writes:
> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
> 
> 
> >  _____
> >
> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: Craig
> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> >
> >
> > it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> > Got any more of them?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> > / Just follow another one around.
> >
> >
> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
> >
> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
> >
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> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
> >
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> > / A miracle.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / Science fiction.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jun  1 18:15:56 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>

No that's not it.

It is Fix It Again Tony.

BK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


> Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Turino
>
> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700 "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> writes:
>> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>>
>>
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
>> > To: Craig
>> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > it's time for fiat jokes.
>> >
>> > Got any more of them?
>> >
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
>> > / Just follow another one around.
>> >
>> >
>> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
>> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>> >
>> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
>> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>> >
>> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
>> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>> >
>> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
>> > / Push it over a cliff.
>> >
>> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas
>> cap for
>> > my
>> > Fiat."
>> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>> >
>> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
>> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>> >
>> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
>> > / A miracle.
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
>> > / Science fiction.
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
>> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>> >
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From riverside at cedar-rapids.net  Mon Jun  1 18:18:20 2009
From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
Message-ID: <016601c9e317$a2d6aa20$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

Fix It Again Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
>> To: Craig
>> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>>
>>
>>
>> it's time for fiat jokes.
>>
>> Got any more of them?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
>> / Just follow another one around.
>>
>>
>> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
>> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>>
>> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
>> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>>
>> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
>> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>>
>> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
>> / Push it over a cliff.
>>
>> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
>> my
>> Fiat."
>> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>>
>> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
>> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>>
>> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
>> / A miracle.
>>
>>
>> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
>> / Science fiction.
>>
>>
>> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
>> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:23:06 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
Message-ID: <4A2470EA.1080205@verizon.net>

I remember an old joke about a FIAT repair kit.

It was a semi full of money that followed you around everywhere.

Bob Kramer wrote:
> No that's not it.
>
> It is Fix It Again Tony.
>
> BK


From tr6nut at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:23:13 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
Message-ID: <4A2470F1.1010305@verizon.net>

I remember an old joke about a FIAT repair kit.

It was a semi full of money that followed you around everywhere.

Bob Kramer wrote:
> No that's not it.
>
> It is Fix It Again Tony.
>
> BK


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jun  1 18:23:42 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:23:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
Message-ID: <A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>

> What do the letters FIAT stand for?

Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".

Randall


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:45:08 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
Message-ID: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>

What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?

RB


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:48:51 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
Message-ID: <9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>

The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!


> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
> 
> RB
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 18:52:23 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
In-Reply-To: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906011752o5f02e6fbm5a829b963c825b88@mail.gmail.com>

My guess would be the first car to use Lucas electrics in which they went
from On Flicker Dimmer Off.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>
> RB
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  1 19:05:11 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
In-Reply-To: <9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
	<9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
Message-ID: <BCB6CB1A-84EA-4C98-AFEF-AB086FDD5649@earthlink.net>

Gotta' disagree - I think the first car to use Lucas headlamps was  
the Rolls Royce of 1914. It would go to figure that would have dawned  
the age of flashing lights!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, RACER BUD wrote:

> The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
> RB
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
>
>
>> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>> RB
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From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Jun  1 19:05:46 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
	<A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>

Finote
Invented
Another
Tool

On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 PM, Randall wrote:

>> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
>
> Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".
>
> Randall
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'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 19:10:51 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
	<9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
	<BCB6CB1A-84EA-4C98-AFEF-AB086FDD5649@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <97B5243040D745A58323D64E58FF6771@Bud>

Now I'm gettin' it...the loose ground wires etc.(:>)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!


> Gotta' disagree - I think the first car to use Lucas headlamps was  
> the Rolls Royce of 1914. It would go to figure that would have dawned  
> the age of flashing lights!
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, RACER BUD wrote:
> 
>> The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
>> RB
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
>>
>>
>>> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>>> RB
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Mon Jun  1 19:19:24 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:19:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
	<A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com> 
	<E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W228B5365CE4218CCD1FA3DC84D0@phx.gbl>

Fabrica Italia Automobili Torino



No kidding.



Mike Cook

> From: andre at gt6.ca
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:05:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
> Finote
> Invented
> Another
> Tool
>
> On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> >> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> >
> > Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".
> >
> > Randall
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>
> --
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> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jun  1 19:43:07 2009
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:43:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud> 
Message-ID: <BAY104-W225107BF0617C7C092A6EBDA4D0@phx.gbl>

Futile Italian Attempt @ Transportation or F%&@! Italian Automotive Tragedy

> From: budscars at comcast.net
> To: walt at hot-tr6.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
>
> > _____
> >
> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: Craig
> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> >
> >
> > it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> > Got any more of them?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> > / Just follow another one around.
> >
> >
> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
> >
> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
> >
> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
> >
> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> > / Push it over a cliff.
> >
> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for
> > my
> > Fiat."
> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
> >
> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  1 20:03:30 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:03:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Sometimes
Message-ID: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>

Freshly built or not I think we could all use a bit of this sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY1YndLmbXQ

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun  1 22:39:17 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:39:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
In-Reply-To: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
References: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6D1A8A88-B294-45F9-A58C-1C4AE5D48F6C@bnj.com>

Raced Peyote at Infinion (Sears Point in Sonoma, California) this  
weekend at the Wine Country Classic. Peyote did great right up until  
the checker on Sunday's warmup when my clutch went away.  I had a  
spare clutch pack with me, and decided to do the loony in-the-paddock- 
extreme-repair and put it in, but it's a double spline type, and I  
didn't have an input shaft with me, so I couldn't index it. With about  
40 minutes left before the green flag I gave up trying to wiggle the  
transmission on, pulled the clutch off and stuck the transmission back  
on to put it back in the trailer. Too bad, I was slow on Saturday in  
the qualifying race (14th out of 40) but had the bit between my teeth  
during the warmup on Sunday and was running with the three leaders.  I  
think it would have been a fun race.

A long tow--about ten hours each way, hauling my 34' airstream--Nero.  
But it was a great weekend at the races and a fine ride back in a warm  
California haze with good music blasting. Sang pretty much all the way  
back to Portland. A little hoarse and a little sunburned.

Lots of old friends and a few new ones at the race, including Baxter  
Culver (Peyote's previous owner), Hardy Prentice, Greg Petrolati,  
David Love and many more. Made for a really great weekend. 


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun  1 23:32:08 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:32:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
In-Reply-To: <000901c9e33d$4aa446c0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
	<6D1A8A88-B294-45F9-A58C-1C4AE5D48F6C@bnj.com>
	<000901c9e33d$4aa446c0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <F3C9AE04-5790-4D77-B4DB-ECDE30F61A12@bnj.com>

They might. If not, the CSRG Charity Challenge is just as much fun and  
a lot more track time.

On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:47 PM, mordy wrote:

> I always wanted to do that event... but, alas -don't think they  
> would accept a tr4.    i havn't been to sears point in years.  There  
> still is a photo of the old sign leading to the turn in to the track  
> on the FOT page.  Check it out ... has it changed?
> Mordy
>
> M.N.Dunst
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
> www.Headgasket.com
> Triple R Munitions, Inc.
> 626.358.1616 ph
> 626.628.3777 fx
> GMT -8 Pacific
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
>
>
>> Raced Peyote at Infinion (Sears Point in Sonoma, California) this   
>> weekend at the Wine Country Classic. Peyote did great right up  
>> until  the checker on Sunday's warmup when my clutch went away.  I  
>> had a  spare clutch pack with me, and decided to do the loony in- 
>> the-paddock- extreme-repair and put it in, but it's a double spline  
>> type, and I  didn't have an input shaft with me, so I couldn't  
>> index it. With about  40 minutes left before the green flag I gave  
>> up trying to wiggle the  transmission on, pulled the clutch off and  
>> stuck the transmission back  on to put it back in the trailer. Too  
>> bad, I was slow on Saturday in  the qualifying race (14th out of  
>> 40) but had the bit between my teeth  during the warmup on Sunday  
>> and was running with the three leaders.  I  think it would have  
>> been a fun race.
>>
>> A long tow--about ten hours each way, hauling my 34' airstream-- 
>> Nero.  But it was a great weekend at the races and a fine ride back  
>> in a warm California haze with good music blasting. Sang pretty  
>> much all the way back to Portland. A little hoarse and a little  
>> sunburned.
>>
>> Lots of old friends and a few new ones at the race, including  
>> Baxter Culver (Peyote's previous owner), Hardy Prentice, Greg  
>> Petrolati,  David Love and many more. Made for a really great  
>> weekend. _______________________________________________
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jun  1 23:47:26 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
Message-ID: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>

Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jun  2 00:11:07 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>

The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
the middle of the night to watch it live)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:47 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox

Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue Jun  2 00:20:45 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:20:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
	<46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <20090602062145.E838218852C@autox.team.net>

For the past 2-3 years the SpeedTV team of Varsha, Matchett and Hobbs 
have done the commentary on Fox.  The days of having to put up with 
Eddie, Derek and the gang are long gone.

Now, the SpeedTV crew do acknowledge that they have to give a bit 
more basic info since they have a larger (potential) and uninformed 
audience that might be channel surfing by since it will be on Fox

With the introduction of DVR technology I haven't gotten up in the 
middle of the night to watch a race in years... :)


At 11:11 PM 6/1/2009, Joe Curry wrote:
>The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
>if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
>the middle of the night to watch it live)
>
>Joe C.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of David W. Riddle
>Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:47 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
>
>Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four
>races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 17:01:47 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:01:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C206573C-A94D-4017-88A6-AC523B6D5C1F@comcast.net>

you can also go to Diamond Wheel and they will make you up a steel  
wheel, any bolt pattern, any offset, any width for a very reasonable  
price.  Know this from my Formula Ford days when I needed some strong  
straight wheels.

On Jun 1, 2009, at 3:40 PM, John Nikas wrote:

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7  
with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that  
the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I  
think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know  
what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 07:42:57 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
	<46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906020937000.8437@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
> if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
> the middle of the night to watch it live)

Near as I can figure (and from what Varsha, Hobbs and Machett were saying 
at Monoco), the announcers are the same for the Fox broadcast and the 
Speed production. They do add some more color and comment because the 
network probably figures that Joe SixPack watches F1 in total shock owing 
to 6 second pit stops and cars that weigh less than 1/3 the NASCAR 
tanks...

:-)

But FWIW, Fox owns Speed and they're using the same announcers for the 
next 4 races.

My only comment - don't use that GenX dude with the messed up hair to 
replace Peter Windsor in the pits... that would be tragic, indeed.

> Joe C.

regards,
rml
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jun  2 09:06:46 2009
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:06:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question
Message-ID: <20090602150655.058111885B9@autox.team.net>

Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
rear?  I am not aware on one.
Thanks
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 09:56:34 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:56:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <20090602150655.058111885B9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>

In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but these were on the rally 
cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums braked better.

Jonmac

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Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Question


> Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
> rear?  I am not aware on one.
> Thanks
> Walt Hollowell
> Abq., NM
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  2 10:18:35 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
Message-ID: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

John,

Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?

If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question

In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
these were on the rally
cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
braked better.

Jonmac

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Question


> Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
> rear? B I am not aware on one.
> Thanks
> Walt Hollowell
> Abq., NM
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 10:57:07 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:57:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E2CA726AE44D480BA46676C02BCE0DD1@John>

With regard to FIA, I haven't a clue - but I'd doubt it. While TR's were
factory prepared (I think for Sebring?) the majority of competition work from
1965 thru 1973-ish was mostly with the 2000 and 2.5PI saloons on the European
and World Rallies. Have a look here
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JD-WV38kDzc/SY3g2MMtONI/AAAAAAAAC88/yeuGtO8aoGQ/XJB303H
+in+1985.jpg as it's one of the three former London Mexico City World Cup
Rally Cars of 1970. It's still around in private ownership and known as
XJB303H - its licence plate

Jonmac
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
  To: John Macartney
  Cc: fot
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


  John,

  Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?

  If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

  Jim G




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
  To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question

  In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
these were on the rally
  cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
braked better.

  Jonmac

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
  To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Question


  > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
the
  > rear?  I am not aware on one.
  > Thanks
  > Walt Hollowell
  > Abq., NM
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 10:59:32 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <5DB0EAA7-DDFC-4213-9ED4-8F0C51F61D70@earthlink.net>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DB0EAA7-DDFC-4213-9ED4-8F0C51F61D70@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906020959g4d2a5e61x5b8dd257b3244e86@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen:

Thanks for all the help. With any luck the third LeMons race for the TR7
will allow us the chance to win outright. Now wouldn't that piss off all the
import tuner guys and Porsche snobs?

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <
Lunkercars at earthlink.net> wrote:

> John,
> If the pattern is 4 x 96mm you might try older Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable.
> Pretty sure that is what a friend put on a Fiat 1500 vintage racer. That of
> course means the Fiat wheels would work too [I think they were 15"] but
> would likely not be wide enough to be of any help. The only Japanese car I
> can think of that would have that pattern on a 15 might be a 90's Subaru
> [WRX?] - the funny looking one with the window within a window.
> Hope this might be of some help.
> Greg
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:40 PM, John Nikas wrote:
>
>  Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with
>> 15
>> inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
>> bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
>> they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
>> steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Very truly yours,
>>
>> John Nikas
>> Cape Coventry Racing
>> www.capecoventryracing.com
>> (949) 375-6306
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 11:01:54 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:01:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
	<231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>

I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 (thanks
Kas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows whether a TR ran with
rear discs for SCCA that might work too.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>
> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>
> Jim G
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
> these were on the rally
> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
> braked better.
>
> Jonmac
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Question
>
>
> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
> the
> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > Thanks
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun  2 11:50:34 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:50:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
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I think someone is running rear discs now in a TR3.  E-prod.  

----- Original Message -----
From: John Nikas 
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: fot 

> I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 
> (thanksKas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows 
> whether a TR ran with
> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, wrote:
> 
> > John,
> >
> > Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on 
> the rear ?
> >
> > If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
> >
> > Jim G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Macartney" 
> > To: "Walter Hollowell" , "'Friends of 
> Triumph' Triumph"
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / 
> La Paz /
> > Mazatlan
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> >
> > In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on 
> the rear - but
> > these were on the rally
> > cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and 
> rear drums
> > braked better.
> >
> > Jonmac
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walter Hollowell" 
> > To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Question
> >
> >
> > > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc 
> brakes on
> > the
> > > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > > Thanks
> > > Walt Hollowell
> > > Abq., NM
> > >
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Tue Jun  2 12:37:34 2009
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:37:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<E2CA726AE44D480BA46676C02BCE0DD1@John>
Message-ID: <14FD1680360144C29816189AE501A4C7@PBA.INT>

Hi

As far as Im aware the Dunlop rear discs were only used by the factory on 
works Le Mans race cars, starting with the TR2, then TR3S and then  the TR4S 
'Sabrina' cars ....

Rumour has it that the assemblies were physically transferred from old cars 
to new, so that when the old cars were sold on by the Factory, which was 
their common practice, they left without a lot of the goodies on board. This 
probably because Ken Richardson had so little money to play with.

Im not sure on homologation, but if a car ran in the 24 Hour Le Mans race, 
wouldnt a similar car be able to run similar discs on the back ? ie. a TR2 
or TR3 ?

All the best

Tony


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


> With regard to FIA, I haven't a clue - but I'd doubt it. While TR's were
> factory prepared (I think for Sebring?) the majority of competition work 
> from
> 1965 thru 1973-ish was mostly with the 2000 and 2.5PI saloons on the 
> European
> and World Rallies. Have a look here
> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JD-WV38kDzc/SY3g2MMtONI/AAAAAAAAC88/yeuGtO8aoGQ/XJB303H
> +in+1985.jpg as it's one of the three former London Mexico City World Cup
> Rally Cars of 1970. It's still around in private ownership and known as
> XJB303H - its licence plate
>
> Jonmac
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>  To: John Macartney
>  Cc: fot
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
>
>  John,
>
>  Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>
>  If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>
>  Jim G
>
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
>  To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
>  In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - 
> but
> these were on the rally
>  cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
> braked better.
>
>  Jonmac
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>  To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Question
>
>
>  > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
> the
>  > rear?  I am not aware on one.
>  > Thanks
>  > Walt Hollowell
>  > Abq., NM
>  >
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun  2 13:26:10 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:26:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>

IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car rules 
SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


>I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 (thanks
> Kas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows whether a TR ran with
> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>>
>> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>>
>> Jim G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
>> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
>> <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>> Mazatlan
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>>
>> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - 
>> but
>> these were on the rally
>> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
>> braked better.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Question
>>
>>
>> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
>> the
>> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
>> > Thanks
>> > Walt Hollowell
>> > Abq., NM
>> >
>> > B _____
>> >
>> > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <
>> http://www.spamfighter.com/len>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 13:54:44 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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	<40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Rocky Entriken wrote:

> IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car rules 
> SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.

I do not think that this conversion was allowed until about 1983 or so.

Prior to that, there were quite a few limits on what you were allowed to 
change. A 1972 GCR Triumph Prod car is a LOT different from a 1983 car 
was!

> --Rocky

regards,
rml
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Tue Jun  2 14:36:14 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:36:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
Message-ID: <d58.4237dc47.3756e73e@aol.com>

A lot of you guys probably know Jere. He was with Gary Hunter and I at 
Watkins Glen last Sept. He is restoring a TR4 and making it into a TR 250. He 
would like to be on the list and is joining our vintage racing team.

Tim Suddard
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun  2 14:52:48 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
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Roger THAT!  :-)

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; 
"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>
>> IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car 
>> rules SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.
>
> I do not think that this conversion was allowed until about 1983 or so.
>
> Prior to that, there were quite a few limits on what you were allowed to 
> change. A 1972 GCR Triumph Prod car is a LOT different from a 1983 car 
> was!
>
>> --Rocky
>
> regards,
> rml
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun  2 14:54:35 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:54:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
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References: <d58.4237dc47.3756e73e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e380d46d18018.4a25918b@optonline.net>

I drove a TR 250 in high school.  Coolest car in the student parking lot.

I second!!    Welcome Jere!


Todd Redmond
1958 TR3A


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From: GRMTim at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
To: FOT at autox.team.net, gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com

> A lot of you guys probably know Jere. He was with Gary Hunter 
> and I at 
> Watkins Glen last Sept. He is restoring a TR4 and making it into 
> a TR 250. He 
> would like to be on the list and is joining our vintage racing team.
> 
> Tim Suddard
> Publisher; Classic Motorsports
> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
> www.classicmotorsports.net
> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Jun  2 15:23:48 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question
Message-ID: <20090602.152349.3816.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

>>>If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

I wouldn't jump that far and assume RMVR will accept a car converted to
disc brakes. There are circumstances under which such a car may get on
track with RMVR, but not as a general rule. RMVR allows certain
exceptions to the 1967 & 1972 SCCA GCRs, but I do not believe they extend
to replacing drum brakes with disc brakes.  
Bill 

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes:
> John,
> 
> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the 
> rear ?
> 
> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
> 
> Jim G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' 
> Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz 
> /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> 
> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the 
> rear - but
> these were on the rally
> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear 
> drums
> braked better.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Question
> 
> 
> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc 
> brakes on the
> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > Thanks
> > Walt Hollowell
> > Abq., NM
> >
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Tue Jun  2 18:38:56 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>

Hello Fot,
   I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
   Thanks,
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From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Mosport info/video needed
Message-ID: <20090603022407.2C5741888A7@autox.team.net>



From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  2 20:35:31 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
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Not sure about the lowering part, but the caster is nice. The lower
control arms are flat, can't see how flipping them would lower the
car.  Are you assuming some problem with using shorter springs?

If you don't already have Kas' books, it's a good time to get them.


On Jun 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:

> Hello Fot,
>   I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing.
> Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control
> arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about
> an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this
> also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of
> set up?
>   Thanks,
>    Dave H.
>
>
> **************
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun  2 20:58:12 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
Message-ID: <20090603025840.4BC6C1885C7@autox.team.net>

Let's try this as UNFORMATTED text.  Posting for Russ who seems to be 
having issues posting to the FOT.  Maybe the same formatting problem 
I had?   Anyway, Russ's request is below.

Thanks, Tony Drews

From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:21 PM
To: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Subject: Mosport



I have coerced a fellow Spitfire jockey to head north and experience 
Mosport (aye!) with us later this month. Do any of you have lap 
footage from some of the previous years up there? Or a copy of the 
handout Johnny Greenwood passes out some times?

Thanks



Russ Moore

Spitfire 49


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun  3 05:15:55 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Drive... Bob Style
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906030710410.10768@isis.mit.edu>

Hey,

Check out this vid that I just posted:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlml3WErfQ

I could have been a bit smoother, but all-in-all I was very satisfied 
getting the old horse out again...

The comment about the drift was that my mechanic somehow left an 8" drift 
in the engine compartment that liberated itself on the first or second 
offset. The guy that returned it was less than pleased with the episode.

Doh!

c ya,
rml
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Wed Jun  3 05:20:50 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
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Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for a
MGVR'r but jist is there;

MGVR
	Racer Built	7
	Pro Built	5
FOT
	Racer Built 19
	Pro Built	3
	Partial assembly or some times	2

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bill Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:40 PM
To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

HI Gang - thanks Tony
Here are the updated tabular results from both the MG and Triumph gang.
Please
keep in mind this is purely curiosity. I actually have my engines
professionally built and am thankful for the results. Particularly on the A.
A friend of mine started doing his engines and as so many said: It adds to
the
enjoyment for him, and saves on the pocket book if you have the time and
inclination.
So here goes:

MGVR
	Racer Built	4
	Pro Built	3
FOT
	Racer Built 	13
	Pro Built	3
	Partial assembly or some times	2

I think the MGVR gang were hard at it in the garages this weekend getting
ready for  the Gold Cup. I am still at it - just taking a break before I
button the A back up.  So perhaps we will get some more responses a bit
latter.

Good luck to every one this season

Bill Bartlett
MGA Coupe 348
GT6 # unknown (Hopeful Fall Launch)


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:26 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad).  If
I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too.  I put
together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
to help out others who are trying to do it themselves.  Of course,
Kas's books are invaluable!

I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
there.

http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm

I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.

But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions.  No knock to
them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
to make sense, I think.

- Tony Drews

Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 06:41:58 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.

I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)

I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
all.

I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...

Scott


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Wed Jun  3 07:29:15 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:29:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
	<e2c6ca6119b6e.4a25666a@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <B960EA67A0B7496DA80C2176D8688E47@Pendys>

Am presently running rear disc's on the 'ol hot rod TR, Car mainly runs with 
SCCA  VP Class and E Prod. I agree that the '70s and '80s GCR would raise an 
eyebrow or two on this subject, but to date, nobody has ever questioned the 
car. Mark Pendy #65 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


>I think someone is running rear discs now in a TR3.  E-prod.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Nikas
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> Cc: fot
>
>> I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6
>> (thanksKas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows
>> whether a TR ran with
>> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, wrote:
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on
>> the rear ?
>> >
>> > If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>> >
>> > Jim G
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Macartney"
>> > To: "Walter Hollowell" , "'Friends of
>> Triumph' Triumph"
>> >
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua /
>> La Paz /
>> > Mazatlan
>> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>> >
>> > In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on
>> the rear - but
>> > these were on the rally
>> > cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and
>> rear drums
>> > braked better.
>> >
>> > Jonmac
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Walter Hollowell"
>> > To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'"
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>> > Subject: [Fot] Question
>> >
>> >
>> > > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc
>> brakes on
>> > the
>> > > rear? B I am not aware on one.
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Walt Hollowell
>> > > Abq., NM
>> > >
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 07:31:47 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:31:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>

Dave,
 
FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front end.  It does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",  

Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, body off chassis etc.

Hope it works!
Todd Redmond
Triumph TR3

----- Original Message -----
From: Dlhogye at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Fot at autox.team.net

> Hello Fot,
> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for 
> racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower 
> control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front 
> about an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does 
> anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the 
> front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, 
> this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type 
> of set up?
> Thanks,
> Dave H.
> 
> 
> **************
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  3 08:03:36 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:03:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603140405.CF5D4188879@autox.team.net>

Your assessment is correct.  The lower seal and the little button in 
the middle are what hold all of the cooling system pressure.  The 2nd 
thing to look at is how deep the well that the rad cap fits into 
is.  Older british cars seem to have a deeper well than is common 
now, causing the lower part of the radiator cap to not seal against 
anything causing zero pressure in the cooling system.  Someone 
(probably Moss or TRF) sells the caps with the longer actuating 
mechanism.  I've seen that problem on 2 or 3 different cars with 
inexplicable cooling problems.  The first one took a LONG time to 
diagnose, but after I was aware of that potential issue the others I 
was LOOKING for that problem.

If you have a rad cap with an overflow in the header tank, you could 
plug up the overflow from the radiator.  I think you should have only 
one pressure relief / overflow in the cooling system.

- Tony

At 07:41 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
>tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
>track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
>tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
>run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.
>
>I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
>reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)
>
>I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
>seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
>that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
>appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
>the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
>into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
>all.
>
>I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
>place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...
>
>Scott
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Jun  3 08:11:54 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:11:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tony Drews
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A55C672@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Tony,

As a "get by" at the track fix you can cut an inner tube and add 2 more
lower seals to a standard cap and it will hold enough pressure for most
cars. Don't ask how I know this!! PITA to get that second layer over the
button too! Have fun!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 08:24:01 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:24:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've replaced the cap with a new one, with all the parts in place.  It
still runs water out of the overflow tube, so I think we may have
another issue.

I measured the distance from the top sealing seat to the lower sealing
seat - approx. 0.750" -  and the distance on the new cap from the upper
seal to the lower seal - approx. 0.800".  That difference (0.050")
doesn't seem like enough of a difference to me.

Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
pressure?

Scott B.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Radiator Caps

Your assessment is correct.  The lower seal and the little button in
the middle are what hold all of the cooling system pressure.  The 2nd
thing to look at is how deep the well that the rad cap fits into
is.  Older british cars seem to have a deeper well than is common
now, causing the lower part of the radiator cap to not seal against
anything causing zero pressure in the cooling system.  Someone
(probably Moss or TRF) sells the caps with the longer actuating
mechanism.  I've seen that problem on 2 or 3 different cars with
inexplicable cooling problems.  The first one took a LONG time to
diagnose, but after I was aware of that potential issue the others I
was LOOKING for that problem.

If you have a rad cap with an overflow in the header tank, you could
plug up the overflow from the radiator.  I think you should have only
one pressure relief / overflow in the cooling system.

- Tony

At 07:41 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
>tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
>track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
>tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
>run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.
>
>I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
>reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)
>
>I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
>seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
>that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
>appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
>the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
>into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
>all.
>
>I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
>place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...
>
>Scott
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>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 08:39:47 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
Message-ID: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because 
we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 08:44:11 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions 
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts 
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.  
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2 
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this 
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.  
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them 
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo 
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they 
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of 
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 08:52:31 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
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<< Is it because we are smarter than they are? >>

To make that conclusion, we'd need to also compare data on the
percentage of DNFs.  Then we'll really know who's smarter.  :-)

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:40 AM
To: Bill Bartlett
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because

we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r
for a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun  3 08:52:25 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:52:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <BLU127-W956014232B09A03447AD7904A0@phx.gbl>

I think you would have a tough time reading a whole lot into a scientific
study like this.  I amnot sure which group I fall into as sometimes I'm
rebuilding an engine for my Triumph and other times my MG and other times my
Renault powered car.  Ask how many Porsche guys rebuild their own engines.
This would be more interesting...............................Cheers Henry
Morrison

> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:39:47 -0500
> From: cartravel at pobox.com
> To: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> So, why the difference? Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%. Is it because
> we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
> > Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
a
> > MGVR'r but jist is there;
> >
> > MGVR
> > Racer Built 7
> > Pro Built 5
> > FOT
> > Racer Built 19
> > Pro Built 3
> > Partial assembly or some times 2
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  3 09:00:54 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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Nope, it's because we have a very awake works team lead named Kas who is
inducing ideas to our minds which automatically leads to fine home made
engines.

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 16:40
An: Bill Bartlett
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
Fot mailing list
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun  3 09:01:34 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <401DF8ED-52E1-4E97-AD07-6B171E07C934@bnj.com>

Cheaper?

On Jun 3, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it  
> because we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an  
>> FOT'r for a
>> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>>
>> MGVR
>> 	Racer Built	7
>> 	Pro Built	5
>> FOT
>> 	Racer Built 19
>> 	Pro Built	3
>> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
> _______________________________________________
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  3 09:16:56 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603151728.7D9C3188A98@autox.team.net>

The working cap on my TR-4 has between 40 and 50 thou of height 
difference between the cap measurement and the radiator "well" 
measurement.  The cap measures 0.780 to 0.790 and the radiator measures 0.740".

- Tony

At 09:24 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've replaced the cap with a new one, with all the parts in place.  It
>still runs water out of the overflow tube, so I think we may have
>another issue.
>
>I measured the distance from the top sealing seat to the lower sealing
>seat - approx. 0.750" -  and the distance on the new cap from the upper
>seal to the lower seal - approx. 0.800".  That difference (0.050")
>doesn't seem like enough of a difference to me.
>
>Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
>pressure?
>
>Scott B.


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  3 09:26:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>

Not to worry, that will work just fine.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: <Dlhogye at aol.com>
Cc: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question


> Dave,
>
> FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front end.  It 
> does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book that I think 
> is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
>
> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, body 
> off chassis etc.
>
> Hope it works!
> Todd Redmond
> Triumph TR3
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>
>> Hello Fot,
>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
>> racing. Is it
>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
>> control arms.
>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
>> about an inch.
>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
>> anyone know
>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
>> front. I
>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
>> this also
>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
>> of set up?
>> Thanks,
>> Dave H.
>>
>>
>> **************
>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 09:57:38 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:57:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
Message-ID: <e3c1952d1eb65.4a269d72@optonline.net>

<<Not to worry, that will work just fine.>>  Now thats a confidence builder!!

Thanks Kas!!

Todd Redmond


----- Original Message -----
From: Kas Kastner 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:26 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com
Cc: Fot at autox.team.net

> Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> 
> 
> > Dave,
> >
> > FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front end. It 
> > does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in a book 
> that I think 
> > is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >
> > Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely 
> apart, body 
> > off chassis etc.
> >
> > Hope it works!
> > Todd Redmond
> > Triumph TR3
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> > Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> > To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >
> >> Hello Fot,
> >> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >> racing. Is it
> >> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >> control arms.
> >> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >> about an inch.
> >> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >> anyone know
> >> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >> front. I
> >> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >> this also
> >> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >> of set up?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave H.
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
> >> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
> >> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>
> >> Fot mailing list
> >> Fot at autox.team.net
> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
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> >
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 10:02:59 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com> <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6607F7@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Graham Davies here in Austin came up with the idea to shorten the a-arms in
this simple fashion (He had also shortened the upper a-arms for me when I
owned your car). It is the easiest way to address camber and looks pretty
stock to most everybody. I flipped the lower a-arms and got rid of the spring
spacers altogether with 550 lb Triumphtune front springs and the car was about
as low as it could get.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an
inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone
know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 10:06:01 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:06:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to 
> hold the pressure?

What I did was to remove the plug where the heater valve used to be, and
temporarily put in a pipe tee with a Schrader valve on one leg and a hose
barb on the other.  To the hose barb I connected my vacuum test gauge (which
also reads pressure to 10 psi).  Pressurize the system with an air hose
through the Schrader valve, then watch what the gauge does (and where the
air/water comes out).

I agree, .050" doesn't sound like enough (but measuring the cap that
accurately may be a problem).  Note that any radiator shop can replace that
3/4" reach filler neck with a modern one (1/2"?), giving you a whole range
of standard caps to choose from.

I don't recommend what I was doing for the test above : modifying a Stant
Lev-R-Vent cap to work with the longer reach neck.  It worked, but I
invested way too much time especially considering that the radiator shop
only charged me $20 to replace the neck (in conjunction with some other
work).

Randall


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun  3 10:36:11 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906031235300.11086@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we 
> are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 10:46:02 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
TR3. You can lower the car by inverting the lower A arms, or cutting the
aluminum spacer if you are using it (as Larry did similarly). This gives you
much needed camber by using the TR6 trunnions and the TR6 upper A arms give
you positive caster that you can adjust if you use XJ6 upper ball joints. They
are narrower than the "6" uppers and adjust the caster using small shims ahead
of or behind the ball joint. This is how I built Randy Williams car, and just
did the mod on a street TR3 this past weekend. I should of snapped some
photos. Perhaps my son did.
Thanks - Ed - 

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com> wrote:


From: Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>, "Fot at autox.team.net"
<Fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:02 AM


Graham Davies here in Austin came up with the idea to shorten the a-arms in
this simple fashion (He had also shortened the upper a-arms for me when I
owned your car). It is the easiest way to address camber and looks pretty
stock to most everybody. I flipped the lower a-arms and got rid of the spring
spacers altogether with 550 lb Triumphtune front springs and the car was
about
as low as it could get.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an
inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone
know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 10:48:58 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:48:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>

Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it.  I'll have to look for a copy of 
that book.  I thought I had them all. Who published it?

Kas Kastner wrote:
> Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
> To: <Dlhogye at aol.com>
> Cc: <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
>
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front 
>> end.  It does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book 
>> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
>>
>> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, 
>> body off chassis etc.
>>
>> Hope it works!
>> Todd Redmond
>> Triumph TR3
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>> Hello Fot,
>>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
>>> racing. Is it
>>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
>>> control arms.
>>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
>>> about an inch.
>>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
>>> anyone know
>>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
>>> front. I
>>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
>>> this also
>>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
>>> of set up?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dave H.
>>>
>>>
>>> **************
>>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
>>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
>>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
>>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
>>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 10:54:12 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
Message-ID: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the road
resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump wheelbarrows
of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say that
the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
much lower.
Have I opened a can of worms now?
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:


From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we
are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 11:15:54 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B5437CE6261042E4AAEA6954C59590B0@jdnet.deere.com>

> Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
> TR3.

Correct, but don't forget the vertical link.  If you keep the TR6 caliper
bracket, I believe you'll also need the later (smaller) rotor & caliper.

-- Randall 


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 11:21:11 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>

It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.  
Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

Randall wrote:
>> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to 
>> hold the pressure?
>>     
>
> What I did was to remove the plug where the heater valve used to be, and
> temporarily put in a pipe tee with a Schrader valve on one leg and a hose
> barb on the other.  To the hose barb I connected my vacuum test gauge (which
> also reads pressure to 10 psi).  Pressurize the system with an air hose
> through the Schrader valve, then watch what the gauge does (and where the
> air/water comes out).


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 11:26:35 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I think there are a lot of Prather engines out there in MG's. We don't have
such a ready source or we might have more pro-built motors in our ranks. Then
there is the data that we all share. It started back in the day with Kas, his
comp prep manuals and continues with him and all of us today.  WE should be
very proud, and the MG guys can eat those worms.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:54 AM
To: Larry Young; Robert Lang
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the
road
resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump wheelbarrows
of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say
that
the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
much lower.
Have I opened a can of worms now?
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:


From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we
are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 11:47:50 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
	<4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>

> It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.
> Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

True, if you can reliably detect when it opens.  In my case it was leaking
even below 'opening' pressure.  I wasn't sure if the problem was the cap or
elsewhere, hence the static test (which showed that both an old cap and a
new one failed to hold even the rated 4 psi).

-- Randall 


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 11:54:08 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:54:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC> <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <e4feeb031e650.4a26b8c0@optonline.net>

I'll check when I get home.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Young 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Kas Kastner 
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com, Fot at autox.team.net

> Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it. I'll have to look for a 
> copy of 
> that book. I thought I had them all. Who published it?
> 
> Kas Kastner wrote:
> > Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front 
> >> end. It does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in 
> a book 
> >> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >>
> >> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine 
> completely apart, 
> >> body off chassis etc.
> >>
> >> Hope it works!
> >> Todd Redmond
> >> Triumph TR3
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >>> Hello Fot,
> >>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >>> racing. Is it
> >>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >>> control arms.
> >>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >>> about an inch.
> >>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >>> anyone know
> >>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >>> front. I
> >>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >>> this also
> >>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >>> of set up?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dave H.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
> >>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
> >>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
> >>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 12:09:47 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:09:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906031109y537170e3g921ad286b02298ca@mail.gmail.com>

I think you guys like Robert and Christian have hit on the real reason for
the disparity. The Triumph competition department was really based here with
Kas and rather than hoarding information he spread the word and still does.
The Abingdon boys never had the information that we have (as well as a
living resource like Kas) to take advantage of. That (and the fact) we're
probably much more competent than anyone that drives an MG.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>wrote:

> I think there are a lot of Prather engines out there in MG's. We don't have
> such a ready source or we might have more pro-built motors in our ranks.
> Then
> there is the data that we all share. It started back in the day with Kas,
> his
> comp prep manuals and continues with him and all of us today.  WE should be
> very proud, and the MG guys can eat those worms.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of EDWARD BARNARD
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: Larry Young; Robert Lang
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
> cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the
> road
> resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump
> wheelbarrows
> of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say
> that
> the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
> much lower.
> Have I opened a can of worms now?
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
> To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:
>
> > So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
> we
> are smarter than they are?
>
> No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.
>
> :-)
>
> rml
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 12:29:44 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <314995.30936.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Incorrect. For the purest's. the TR3 caliper is a direct bolt on to the TR6
caliper bracket. The TR3 caliper, rotor and hub can be retained. To do the mod
one needs the TR6 upper A arms, vertical link, trunnion, and upper ball joint.
You can use all the urethane bushes from a "6", even on the lower-inner A
arms. One thing that must been retained from the "3" is the steering arm. The
hole for the tierod end is a different diameter. Luckily, they bolt right up.
The arms are of different heights (and lengths) which helps when you are
trying to adjust bump steer, but if using the TR6 steering arm you need a
tierod with a larger diameter pin. I think, but am not 100% sure my memory
serves me correctly, a Stag tierod will work.
Thanks - Ed -

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 12:15 PM


> Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
> TR3.

Correct, but don't forget the vertical link.  If you keep the TR6 caliper
bracket, I believe you'll also need the later (smaller) rotor & caliper.

-- Randall
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 12:57:10 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
	<4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
	<584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B660B22@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I have one of those radiator system pump testers with a gauge and it comes
with an attachment to test caps.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Randall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:48 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Radiator Caps

> It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.
> Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

True, if you can reliably detect when it opens.  In my case it was leaking
even below 'opening' pressure.  I wasn't sure if the problem was the cap or
elsewhere, hence the static test (which showed that both an old cap and a
new one failed to hold even the rated 4 psi).

-- Randall
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun  3 15:50:55 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <16B3922F67904165B7F38B68D7931834@rocky>

> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
> pressure?
>
> Scott B.
>
>
I used to have a 7 lb cap on my G Prod (then) Spitfire with the Mk. 1 header 
tank atop the carbs.

Because it kept blowing water into the overflow bottle I went to a 15 lb. 
cap. Worked fine until I began blowing leaks in the header tank. Went back 
to the 7 lb. cap.

Later went to a Volkswagen aluminum radiator and got rid of the Mk. 1 
system.

--Rocky 


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun  3 17:48:45 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:48:45 +1000
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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FOT
I started building race engines in early 1970 when I decided to race a GT6 
here in Australia . I got hold of Kas book , contacted his organisation and 
imported from him all the race  parts he supplied or developed . Car went 
like a rocket ( scared the shit out of me the first time I drove it at 
Warick Farm) the motor was very reliable though the powertrain had trouble 
handling the power, i kept breaking gearboxes and axles.
Those of us who race Triumphs are all indebted to Kas for the development 
work he did and to the fact he was so willing to share this knowledge and 
provide race proven gear to all. I'm sure I would not have had the enjoyment 
from racing a Triumph without this initiative. Thanks Kas,  your influence 
extends well beyond the borders of America.
I now race a TR6 PI and while the developments have gone well beyond what 
Kas was doing the foundations are there
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer down under



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II


> Nope, it's because we have a very awake works team lead named Kas who is
> inducing ideas to our minds which automatically leads to fine home made
> engines.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Larry Young
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 16:40
> An: Bill Bartlett
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
> we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
> a
>> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>>
>> MGVR
>> Racer Built 7
>> Pro Built 5
>> FOT
>> Racer Built 19
>> Pro Built 3
>> Partial assembly or some times 2
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jun  3 19:15:24 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:15:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
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At 08:38 PM 6/2/2009, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
>Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
>possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
>It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
>Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
>if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
>can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
>lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.

Dave, FWIW, I flipped the lower control arms on my TR4, which lowered 
the car about an inch.  I ran across this in a book called "How to 
Improve the TR2-TR4". I know, the title is heresy, but it had some good poop.

jim


--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 19:55:08 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] need 1x23 no good input shaft fro alignment tool
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906031855s43bfa03dnfe0c509be7409c45@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have a no good 23x1 [spit?] input shaft or clutch alignment
tool they would part with?  Tired of my method of installing my dual
disk Quarter Master clutch pack [I put the pack on the tranny shaft,
install the tranny, then align and tighten the clutch bolts to the
flywheel using a2"  hole I drilled in the bottom of the case.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 20:50:30 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
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To All;
 
The book I mentioned is called "How to improve Triumph TR2-4A. by Roger Williams.  Its was distributed by Speed Pro Series.  Pretty good stuff in there.

Todd


----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Young 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Kas Kastner 
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com, Fot at autox.team.net

> Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it. I'll have to look for a 
> copy of 
> that book. I thought I had them all. Who published it?
> 
> Kas Kastner wrote:
> > Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front 
> >> end. It does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in 
> a book 
> >> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >>
> >> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine 
> completely apart, 
> >> body off chassis etc.
> >>
> >> Hope it works!
> >> Todd Redmond
> >> Triumph TR3
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >>> Hello Fot,
> >>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >>> racing. Is it
> >>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >>> control arms.
> >>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >>> about an inch.
> >>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >>> anyone know
> >>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >>> front. I
> >>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >>> this also
> >>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >>> of set up?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dave H.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
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From elkhorn at core.com  Thu Jun  4 04:07:01 2009
From: elkhorn at core.com (elkhorn at core.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot]  Corvair Hub End-Float]
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 09:30:58 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
Message-ID: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>

Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 with
stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
Thanks     rob


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun  4 10:10:50 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
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It will still work of course, and the balance bar will be closer to  
the middle, but it's easier to carry spares for one size.
I'd go with the 3/4 because it gives a lot of brake feel.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, rob wrote:

> Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel  
> masters
> would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a  
> 3/4 bore
> for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for  
> a TR6 with
> stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood  
> caliper.
> Thanks     rob
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 10:25:43 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:25:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <838257099.385251244132743660.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Rob,

With a balance bar and two different diameters things might get a bit
confusing as far as balance.

It may work fine I just don't have that experience.

I just put on a pair of 3/4 wilwood masters to reduce pedal travel. In doing
so the pedal effort goes up.

According to Carrol SmithB a stiff pedal / high effort is better so that's
what I did.

I used 3/4 bores front & rear to keep the bias simple ( in my mind anyway )



jim g


From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:30:58 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] brakes

Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar B and duel masters
would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
for the rear B  also can anyone B sujest the correct size masters for a TR6
with
stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
Thanks B  B  rob
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  4 10:36:44 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:36:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] brakes
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	<FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>
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I'm going with 5/8" masters, otherwise I wouldn't be able to brake my car
properly. My muscles aren't strong enough.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2009 18:11
An: rob
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] brakes

It will still work of course, and the balance bar will be closer to
the middle, but it's easier to carry spares for one size.
I'd go with the 3/4 because it gives a lot of brake feel.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, rob wrote:

> Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel
> masters
> would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a
> 3/4 bore
> for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for
> a TR6 with
> stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood
> caliper.
> Thanks     rob
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Thu Jun  4 15:55:49 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:55:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension follow up
Message-ID: <bcb.501a1ede.37599ce5@aol.com>

FoT
   Thanks for the response to my TR suspension questions. After more
fiddling with the lower arms, I've found that flipping the TR3 arms does not
change the position or raise the location of the upright. It only lowers the
spring pan which therefore lowers the front of the car. I'm still not sure if
the TR6 trunnion can be adapted to the TR3 arms. I'm going to get my hands on
a pair tomorrow. I should be able to find out then.
   Thanks again,
    Dave H.


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From goodparts at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 18:16:54 2009
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:16:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>

Quite a few factors contribute to determining the master cylinder size 
needed.  Weight balance of the car and other factors determine the 
amount of braking desired in the front vs. rear.  Rotor size, pad 
material and caliper piston area determine the PSI of hydraulic pressure 
required to cause the desired braking in each circuit.  Master cylinder 
piston area determines the amount of mechanical force required on the 
piston to produce the desired hydraulic pressure.  And of course 
mechanical leverage determines the amount of force needed on the pedal 
to produce the required mechanical force on the master cylinder piston. 

Depending on the equipment used, the required pressure can be quite 
different in the front and rear circuits. Large rotors and calipers with 
four big pistons in the rear will not require much pressure to do alot 
of braking.  If this is used with stock calipers in the front, alot more 
hydraulic pressure will be required in the front than the rear.  A 
larger rear master cylinder will be required to keep the balance bar 
reasonably centered.  With a single piston master cylinder, the front 
and rear circuits must be designed to produce the desired braking force 
with the same hydraulic pressure.  Doing the same with a dual master 
cylinder will allow the use of two identical cylinders.  Wilwood offers 
most of their calipers with a wide range of piston sizes to help in 
balancing the system.  However, if you need to change the hydraulic 
ratio of an existing system I am sure one master cylinder costs less 
than two calipers.

Increasing the hydraulic advantage by reducing the master cylinder 
piston area or increasing the caliper piston area or increasing the 
mechanical advantage will decrease the force required on the pedal.  
Going too far can make the pedal feel spongy.  I once worked on a 550 
Spyder replica that had "spongy" brakes.  There was no problem locking 
up the brakes but it felt like there was air in the system.  I finally 
gave up trying to bleed non existent air from the system and figured out 
that there was so much mechanical and hydraulic leverage that the 
calipers were over powered and flexing with little pedal effort.  I 
reduced the mechanical leverage in the pedal by a large percentage and 
fixed the problem.  Still plenty of braking without too much pedal 
effort and now a nice firm pedal.  A larger master cylinder would have 
done the same thing.  Of course if you go too far in that direction you 
will not be able to stomp hard enough on the firm pedal to stop the car.

Richard Good
Good Parts

rob wrote:

>Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
>would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
>for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 with
>stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
>Thanks     rob
>_______________________________________________


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 08:00:57 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:00:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup    2010
Message-ID: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>



From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 08:55:56 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:55:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c9e5ed$bb764530$3262cf90$@net>

Hey JR when is summit point new track going to open?
Did Kastner ever race on that track? (Marlboro)
If so that would be a great places to have it 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:01 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2010
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 09:11:44 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
Message-ID: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>

It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...

Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:

- Tony

Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:

It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.

look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/

I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I 
could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I 
ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.


From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 09:36:33 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:36:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>

So how does Joe Alexander drop off the FOT list?

On Jun 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Tony Drews wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as  
> I could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I  
> ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other  
> lists.
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jun  5 09:37:13 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:37:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
Message-ID: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>

FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
Mark Pendy #65 tr4


From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 09:59:22 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a bit biased, but NJMP would be the perfect venue for the Kastner Cup.
The track is owned by the same people who own VIR, so expect the same level
of professionalism when you arrive. Both tracks (Lightning and
Thunderbolt) don't award one type of car over another, so the four cylinder
cars should have a good chance of running with the six cylinder cars and
would produce some fantastic racing. SVRA and VRG both have events
there. The track is super easy to get to from all directions (~40 minutes
from Philadelphia). It's also twenty minutes away from the former Vineland
Speedway which was a roval similar to Marlboro.

As neat as Summit Point is, the track is in rough shape, even after the
repave last year and the Jefferson circuit is too small for "real" racing.

Bob Adams


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I could
> find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I ddint want
> folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 10:10:05 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:10:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm down for that, Topeka is only 530 miles, 2 or 3 hour drive for the
Fleetwood bullet train.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 9:11:44 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup B  B 2010

It LOOKED like it was plain text! B Apparently not...

Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:

- Tony

Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:

It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.

look at: B  B http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/

I am not on the FOT B list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I
could find on my address book/ B  The word will be getting out so I
ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
Fot mailing list
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 10:27:13 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
In-Reply-To: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906050927x131f031fj9e483f5668c31c25@mail.gmail.com>

Try Joe Gibbs break in oil.  I got mine from HRP [Hoerr Racing
Products]  --on the web.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Mark Pendergrass<mpendy at dishmail.net> wrote:
> FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
> leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
> Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
> Mark Pendy #65 tr4
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-- 
Chuck Arnold


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 11:29:29 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A BRIEF TRIUMPH HISTORY
Message-ID: <EC402CA198134F1996FB28BAA347241F@Bud>

Triumph(GB).... A motorcycle manufacturer since 1903, Triumph moved into car
production in 1923. It developed a semi-sporting image, before going out of
business in 1939. The marque was resurrected by Standard in 1945, building
sports cars until 1981, and saloons until 1984...From... Guinness Book Of Car
Facts And Feats.
Racer Bud


From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 11:39:08 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50906051039l19d037frc06658adc7b2a42a@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, didn't see the link. Maybe 2012?

Bob


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 12:29:36 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c9e60b$94c97830$be5c6890$@net>

Bob That's what I'm talking about; it WILL be Marlboro it''''''s Summit
points new track
Not the Jefferson< Also the Jefferson is not the main track 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010

I'm a bit biased, but NJMP would be the perfect venue for the Kastner Cup.
The track is owned by the same people who own VIR, so expect the same level
of professionalism when you arrive. Both tracks (Lightning and
Thunderbolt) don't award one type of car over another, so the four cylinder
cars should have a good chance of running with the six cylinder cars and
would produce some fantastic racing. SVRA and VRG both have events
there. The track is super easy to get to from all directions (~40 minutes
from Philadelphia). It's also twenty minutes away from the former Vineland
Speedway which was a roval similar to Marlboro.

As neat as Summit Point is, the track is in rough shape, even after the
repave last year and the Jefferson circuit is too small for "real" racing.

Bob Adams


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I
could
> find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I ddint want
> folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 13:03:09 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
proper ZDDP content?

Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover all
the bases)


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jun  5 13:30:04 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?

If you want to split hairs, you really want API SG. The reduction started 
then.

But oil that has the SL rating has been sitting "for a while" (like 10 
years) and the additives package is most likely not as effective as new 
oil would be, e.g. it's not fresh.

> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover all
> the bases)

rml
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 13:34:06 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292795@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Wow, can it really be 10 years since I bought that oil?  I'd swear I
bought it maybe 3 or 4 years ago, if that long...  Cripes, am I that old
already??

Scott
PS, I bought some fresh stuff when I stopped at the parts place to pick
up the header wrap to keep the new exhaust pipe from setting the trans
blanket on fire...   Will add the Redline ZDDP additive to it and go
racin'.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:30 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] SL-rated oil

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?

If you want to split hairs, you really want API SG. The reduction
started
then.

But oil that has the SL rating has been sitting "for a while" (like 10
years) and the additives package is most likely not as effective as new
oil would be, e.g. it's not fresh.

> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover
all
> the bases)

rml
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 13:47:37 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <461D6E10-4FB0-4EFC-8D11-A0FB916F3139@bnj.com>

Drop it in and have at it.

FWIW, here's my first startup procedure:

Put a big fan that some contractor left at your house in front of the  
radiator. Hook up the timing light. Set a flat screwdriver for the  
idle screw and wrenches for adjusting the timing where I can reach  
them. Tape cardboard over the oil cooler.

Smear a lot of moly on the cam and lifter faces, set the valves about . 
010 looser than spec,  before the initial run, dump in some cheap oil  
and some ZDDP, pump everything up to working pressure with a drill to  
drive the oil pump. Push the accusump piston to the bottom, fill the  
accusump with oil, put on the valve (closed) and pressurize it to 60  
pounds. Put the dizzy back in, open the accusump and start the motor  
when oil pressure start to drop. Once the engine starts I set the idle  
to 2000 RPM, and set the timing. I watch everything, ready to shut  
down if I need to. Let the water temp come up to normal, and if  
possible, let the engine run until oil temperature comes up to normal  
temperature. For me that's water at 190, oil over 200.

Let everything stabilize at 2000. Blip the throttle a few times to be  
sure everything sounds right. Check fuel pressure, oil pressure and  
look for leaks.

Shut down, dump the oil and look for metal or other nasties, pull the  
oil filter and cut it open, look for crap. open the accusump, let  
everything drain for half an hour or more.

If you're really feeling anal, do a leakdown of each cylinder and pull  
the head to look at the cam and lifters.

Refill with a zillion bucks worth of your favorite racing oil.

Race.

On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?
>
> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover  
> all
> the bases)
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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 14:04:36 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
Message-ID: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>

What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 14:49:46 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Why?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??


From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Jun  5 14:49:55 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>

A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.

www.sovren.org for entries etc.



FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.



Cheers

Tony Garmey





> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
name of winmail.dat]
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 14:59:41 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <37DD5B6BE3084FABB01375C4D9575616@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

It's all on Sovren's web site:

http://www.sovren.org/

Make sure to check out the car registration form in addition to the entry
form.



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of jim hearn
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:05 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?


What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?

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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Jun  5 15:22:08 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
	<BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Where should we stay, i.e. is there a place that the FoT will be gathering?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tony and Annie Garmey
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:50 PM
To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] What is needed to compete?

A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.

www.sovren.org for entries etc.



FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.



Cheers

Tony Garmey





> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
name of winmail.dat]
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun  5 15:43:59 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:43:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Why?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3FAD5AF775074D37842A97A8DCCD3A5D@jdnet.deere.com>

> Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
> prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??

Murphy was an optimist !!

-- Randall 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jun  5 15:49:24 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:49:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Why?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <D75CE867-F4ED-4918-9E97-CBF3EA711AF3@earthlink.net>

Somehow related to how a few drops of brake fluid will prove superior  
to the most expensive stripper - unless you actually try to use brake  
fluid AS a paint stripper in which case it won't work at all.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
> prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??
> _______________________________________________
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 16:02:45 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
	<BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <D1C18D60-BC64-4587-A7FC-6B83954D6750@bnj.com>

Kas is staying at the Red Lion close to the track, I need to hustle my  
butt over there and negotiate a rate.



On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:

> Where should we stay, i.e. is there a place that the FoT will be  
> gathering?
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On Behalf
> Of Tony and Annie Garmey
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:50 PM
> To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.
>
> www.sovren.org for entries etc.
>
>
>
> FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony Garmey
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
>> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>>
>> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race  
>> in the
>> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef  
>> which had a
> name of winmail.dat]
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Fri Jun  5 17:51:49 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>

I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had.  I bought a
new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
and I was able to shift gears.

I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
back together and watched the operation,  the arm was moving forward. In
case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
no good.

Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
with him on what he saw or did.

Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.

thanks
mike

63 Spitfire race car
70 GT6
71 Spitfire
72 Spitfire
79 Spitfire
80 Spitfire


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Jun  5 19:41:34 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:41:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
In-Reply-To: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
Message-ID: <0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>Mark Pendy #65

Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said 
failing that, Valvoline Racing Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) 
or Penzoil.  My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but Gibb's 
website says the oil should be pre-heated to 160 for full 
effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear it now: "Far up the grill, boys, 
we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a source for the Brad Penn 
juice, will look for it if you need their number in VA.

jim

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>
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'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 19:46:27 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20090606014722.83749187672@autox.team.net>

I'm guessing he unsubscribed while on Holiday at the Monaco Grand Prix.

- Tony

At 10:36 AM 6/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote:
>So how does Joe Alexander drop off the FOT list?
>
>On Jun 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>>It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>>
>>Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>>
>>It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>>
>>look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>>
>>I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as
>>I could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I
>>ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other
>>lists.
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 20:06:22 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@
	us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20090606020646.46724187672@autox.team.net>

You didn't put the clutch disk in backwards, did you?  It acts really 
strange if you do.  I triple check when assembling because it's a 
very easy mistake to make.

- Tony

At 06:51 PM 6/5/2009, George Harmuth wrote:
>I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
>the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
>since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
>the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
>worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
>1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
>way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had.  I bought a
>new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
>up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
>clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
>the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
>We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
>off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
>gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
>wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
>was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
>and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
>and I was able to shift gears.
>
>I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
>arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
>the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
>back together and watched the operation,  the arm was moving forward. In
>case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
>bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
>notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
>no good.
>
>Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
>old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
>engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
>cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
>raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
>there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
>never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
>I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
>with him on what he saw or did.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
>the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
>cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
>but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.
>
>thanks
>mike
>
>63 Spitfire race car
>70 GT6
>71 Spitfire
>72 Spitfire
>79 Spitfire
>80 Spitfire
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 20:30:07 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:30:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] You gotta see this TR3
In-Reply-To: <EC9BC172E5BD4DBA9EB6687EBADAB67C@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <1992336834.259531244062938978.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><AA35527ECB7B485196B7A22F6A92B1A3@DCS78M81><f82ece97132e3.4a28a525@optonline.net><DB6FC21A581C471DA86499B50E45289D@CarlPC>
	<26FB156B1D634E9AB7537103A4D09AA5@PetePC>
	<EC9BC172E5BD4DBA9EB6687EBADAB67C@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c9e64e$b534e530$1f9eaf90$@net>

I bet there's some Purists' flipping out now.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] You gotta see this TR3

Oh NO!

I must've lived too long in Hoosierland ... I kinda like it!

-- Randall 
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  5 20:31:09 2009
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BAY125-W5B0EBEC07650F0299076FDA490@phx.gbl>

Mike,  On the Spit engines and the TR6/GT6 when the thrust washers wear out
they fall into the oil pan.  Check and make sure that you don't have too much
crank end play.  The pedal travel that you need to disengage the clutch is
used up in moving the crank ahead in the block.   Lorne
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:51:49 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
>
> I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
> the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
> since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
> the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
> worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
> 1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
> way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had. I bought a
> new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
> up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
> clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
> the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
> We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
> off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
> gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
> wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
> was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
> and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
> and I was able to shift gears.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
> arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
> the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
> back together and watched the operation, the arm was moving forward. In
> case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
> bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
> notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
> no good.
>
> Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
> old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
> engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
> cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
> raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
> there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
> never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
> I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
> with him on what he saw or did.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
> the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
> cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
> but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.
>
> thanks
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire race car
> 70 GT6
> 71 Spitfire
> 72 Spitfire
> 79 Spitfire
> 80 Spitfire
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From mrtommmmm at netscape.net  Fri Jun  5 22:08:48 2009
From: mrtommmmm at netscape.net (mrtommmmm at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hi guys, am i still on the fot mailist?
Message-ID: <8CBB473A06119D3-FC0-21CE@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com>

havent seen anything in over a week? 
thx ....t.a. moser


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun  6 07:18:40 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
	<0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <D15887A26F14453CA4D86928ED82EA53@hp532n>

I think that there is a ton of information out there now which is out of 
date. VR1 20w50 off the shelf at Auto Zone has ZDDP again and has for a 
while, but if we search the Internet we can find all sorts of tales about it 
not having it. We all found out too late that they took it out and now that 
it is back all we can read is that it doesn't have it. I think the same may 
be true for Castrol 20w50 and possibly others. Since cars we buy these days, 
the ones that get hurt by ZDDP,  all seem to be running 5w or 10w30 the 
marketers realized that there was no reason to sell 20w50 except for us guys 
so they are putting it back in because we were all sourcing other brands. I 
used VR1 successfully for years and now I'm back to it, with Crane Cam lube 
for break ins. That's my guess anyway.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil


> At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a 
>>person
>>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>>Mark Pendy #65
>
> Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said failing 
> that, Valvoline Racing Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) or Penzoil. 
> My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but Gibb's website says the oil 
> should be pre-heated to 160 for full effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear it 
> now: "Far up the grill, boys, we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a 
> source for the Brad Penn juice, will look for it if you need their number 
> in VA.
>
> jim
>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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>
> --
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg VA
> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 08:24:23 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:24:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys><0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<D15887A26F14453CA4D86928ED82EA53@hp532n>
Message-ID: <A399BC388AF54F798E9829D4F2658DE4@John>

Are Comma oils sold in the US?
Comma Classic 20W/50 is the same spec as in the late 60's/70's but with certain useful enhancers of 
modern technology oils - but also with generous dollops of ZDDP as well.

Jonmac

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "J.C. 
Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil


>I think that there is a ton of information out there now which is out of date. VR1 20w50 off the 
>shelf at Auto Zone has ZDDP again and has for a while, but if we search the Internet we can find 
>all sorts of tales about it not having it. We all found out too late that they took it out and now 
>that it is back all we can read is that it doesn't have it. I think the same may be true for 
>Castrol 20w50 and possibly others. Since cars we buy these days, the ones that get hurt by ZDDP, 
>all seem to be running 5w or 10w30 the marketers realized that there was no reason to sell 20w50 
>except for us guys so they are putting it back in because we were all sourcing other brands. I used 
>VR1 successfully for years and now I'm back to it, with Crane Cam lube for break ins. That's my 
>guess anyway.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
> To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil
>
>
>> At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
>>>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>>>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>>>Mark Pendy #65
>>
>> Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said failing that, Valvoline Racing 
>> Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) or Penzoil. My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but 
>> Gibb's website says the oil should be pre-heated to 160 for full effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear 
>> it now: "Far up the grill, boys, we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a source for the Brad 
>> Penn juice, will look for it if you need their number in VA.
>>
>> jim
>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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>>>Fot at autox.team.net
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>>
>> --
>> J.C. Hassall
>> Blacksburg VA
>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
>> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Jun  6 09:10:36 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:10:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: trans-blanket
Message-ID: <43CDC286941C4CC5BDD0062CC682AEA2@Pendys>

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Pendergrass
To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: trans-blanket


Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your
e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but no
stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. Any
ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send to your
e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil question!!


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Jun  6 20:43:26 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their "universal" blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two mounting tabs to bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole bellhousing and it's wide enough to cover the front half of the trans as well.

There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the trans, but who knows.

It wasn't that expensive, either.

Scott B.


________________________________

From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net> 
To: Barr, Scott 
Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
Subject: Fw: trans-blanket 


 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>  
To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>  
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: trans-blanket

Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil question!!


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jun  6 21:38:04 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <90A9F792-309F-4A86-AD15-45B163D8D475@bnj.com>

I've decided I prefer a metal plate to a ballistic blanket. I don't  
have any passenger legs to protect, and the zone for ballistic  
protection seems limited enough to make a steel plate a practical  
solution. There is always the possibility of bouncing stuff off the  
pavement, but I think that's a modest risk.

On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their  
> "universal" blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two  
> mounting tabs to bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole  
> bellhousing and it's wide enough to cover the front half of the  
> trans as well.
>
> There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the  
> trans, but who knows.
>
> It wasn't that expensive, either.
>
> Scott B.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: Barr, Scott
> Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
> Subject: Fw: trans-blanket
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: trans-blanket
>
> Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on  
> your e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and  
> or jegs but no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy,  
> you gotta luv it. Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65  
> tr4  PS. could not send to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for  
> the info. on my break-in oil question!!
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sat Jun  6 23:44:14 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:44:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <003701c9e732$fe35ce90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

I had taken a transmission to Diest Safety several years ago and had these 
SFI rated ballistic blankets made up.  these are about 1/2 inch layered 
balistic nylon.  They fit perfectly as they are cut to fit our 
transmissions.Tr3/4/6.  They have a reflective aluminized side where the 
header pipe is.  Several tabs up front and bolts to the transmission bell, 
wraps around and ties together on bottom with double d rings and straps. 
They use the same stuff on Dragsters and seems to work for their needs.
Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
Triple R Munitions, Inc.
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx
GMT -8 Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] trans-blanket


> We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their "universal" 
> blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two mounting tabs to 
> bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole bellhousing and it's wide 
> enough to cover the front half of the trans as well.
>
> There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the trans, 
> but who knows.
>
> It wasn't that expensive, either.
>
> Scott B.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: Barr, Scott
> Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
> Subject: Fw: trans-blanket
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: trans-blanket
>
> Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your 
> e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but 
> no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. 
> Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send 
> to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil 
> question!!
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Jun  7 08:53:18 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 07:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
Message-ID: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>

FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a couple
of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift on
intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as it
would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off by
5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some input.
Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun  7 09:47:32 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>

Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the 
closing event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between 
opening and closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you 
really want the centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the 
opening on time but the closing is two degrees late, I move the 
opening one degree earlier so I split the difference.  Then it opens 
one degree early, closes one degree late and the centerline should be 
where I want it to be.

- Tony Drews

At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
>Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a couple
>of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift on
>intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as it
>would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off by
>5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some input.
>Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Jun  7 09:58:49 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:58:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<4a2be120.180bca0a.5677.ffffb958SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E6C794E822E547A2AF256C5564762015@Pendys>

Tony and JC. THANKS, I am headed out to the shop!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] timing issues


> Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the closing 
> event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between opening and 
> closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you really want the 
> centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the opening on time but 
> the closing is two degrees late, I move the opening one degree earlier so 
> I split the difference.  Then it opens one degree early, closes one degree 
> late and the centerline should be where I want it to be.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
>>Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a 
>>couple
>>of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift 
>>on
>>intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as 
>>it
>>would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off 
>>by
>>5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some 
>>input.
>>Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>>_______________________________________________
>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>>Fot at autox.team.net
>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jun  7 10:08:55 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:08:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
Message-ID: <CF90BA35-A349-43FA-82D7-9DF2726AC685@bnj.com>

All depends, Mark. If you have an adjustable sprocket (and it sounds  
like you do or you probably wouldn't be worrying about this) then what  
you really want to do is set the cam close to erson specs and then  
scribe a line on the sprocket to indicate that setting. Once you have  
the engine done and running in the car you may eventually stick it on  
a dyno. If you do that, cam advance is one of the most important  
things to play with.

The little change you see with the tensioner doesn't matter.  Remember  
that when the engine is running the cam chain will always be tight on  
the leading side (opposite the tensioner). You're seeing the cam chain  
pulled back by the tensioner, that's more like where the cam will be  
when the engine is running, only moreso. But the cam will work well  
over a range of settings. If you fiddle with it on the dyno you'll be  
seeing changes with settings more like 10 degrees advanced or  
retarded. In my experience a degree or so has no detectable effect.

Finally, realize that absent an adjustable sprocket the closest you  
can come to cam builder's specs is probably three degrees or so, and  
only that with a lot of sprocket flopping.


On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Mark Pendergrass wrote:

> FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I  
> have a
> Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After  
> a couple
> of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50  
> thou. lift on
> intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on  
> it as it
> would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting  
> off by
> 5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need  
> some input.
> Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jun  7 14:16:39 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:16:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>

I may be in the minority here, but I don't use the 0.050 numbers when I 
set up a cam.  I set it strictly using intake lobe centerline, which is 
what Tony is suggesting. The reason for this is that you can measure the 
centerline more accurately.  Rather than just measuring at 0.050 on each 
side, I suggest you measure the open and closing angles at lifts of 
0.200, 0.250 and 0.300 or something similar.  This will give 6 numbers 
that when averaged will give a very accurate centerline number.  
Probably overkill when you can only get within + or - 2 degrees, but you 
will know what you've got.  And yes, always turn the crank in the 
direction the motor turns, so you have tension on the chain.
Larry Young

Tony Drews wrote:
> Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the 
> closing event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between 
> opening and closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you really 
> want the centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the opening 
> on time but the closing is two degrees late, I move the opening one 
> degree earlier so I split the difference.  Then it opens one degree 
> early, closes one degree late and the centerline should be where I 
> want it to be.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>> FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I 
>> have a
>> Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After 
>> a couple
>> of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. 
>> lift on
>> intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on 
>> it as it
>> would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting 
>> off by
>> 5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need 
>> some input.
>> Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jun  7 16:18:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
	<4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <44CA6EC9-85A9-4A20-A77C-28E9800BF7E3@bnj.com>

I agree, I always use centerlines. If for no other reason than it's  
easier.  I always degree the cam anyway to see what I've got. I go the  
extra mile and do it for each cylinder so I can detect any grinding  
errors. I once sent a cam back for a substantial error on the #4  
cylinder.

Doesn't take that long, especially if I have the wife reading the dial  
indicator as I advance the motor.  I also always use an adjustable  
sprocket so I can tweak the advance. Of course having done that I  
haven't stuck a motor on the dyno in years, so it's a waste of money.

On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> I may be in the minority here, but I don't use the 0.050 numbers  
> when I set up a cam.  I set it strictly using intake lobe  
> centerline, which is what Tony is suggesting. The reason for this is  
> that you can measure the centerline more accurately.  Rather than  
> just measuring at 0.050 on each side, I suggest you measure the open  
> and closing angles at lifts of 0.200, 0.250 and 0.300 or something  
> similar.  This will give 6 numbers that when averaged will give a  
> very accurate centerline number.  Probably overkill when you can  
> only get within + or - 2 degrees, but you will know what you've  
> got.  And yes, always turn the crank in the direction the motor  
> turns, so you have tension on the chain.
> Larry Young


From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Jun  7 16:36:19 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:36:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] billet Crankshaft
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
	<4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c9e7c0$60e383b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Please forgive me for bombing this list this way...  but, this piece is for 
TR racers and is unique.

I have a brand new spare billet TR3/4 Crower crank.  This is the one with 
with the "dummy mains".  Picture of these is on the front of the FOT www 
site.  This is the same one I had made for a group on this list some time 
previously.  I was going to use it for a second race car for my son but, 
decided to get him a TR6 racer instead.  It has standard TR 3/4 mains and 
rods.  The rear real is not the scroll but o ring type seal commonly 
available.

If interested... let me know off- line



Mordy


M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
Triple R Munitions, Inc.
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx
GMT -8 Pacific


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Jun  7 17:10:57 2009
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy
In-Reply-To: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer>
References: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <4A2C4901.6000504@twcny.rr.com>

Mark,

He means Rocker Arm Specialist, Anderson, CA. You can find 'em with a Google 
search. I have not used them for lifter work. I've used Integral Cams, 
http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had a problem. His prices for a 
hardness check and a regrind have skyrocketed though.

Ed Woods

I called Rocker Arm specialists and they still charge $2.50 each - such a deal. I wish I hadn't thrown all those old lifters away, I would love to send two sets just to have a spare set on the shelf.

Best,

M


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jun  7 20:56:52 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks
Message-ID: <000001c9e7e4$c69345f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Anyone got a good trick for remove the spring lock type retainers?  I
can come up with several ways to remove them that would end up making
them useless but I would like to save them if I can.  In case I do
destroy them, I have a new set.  These are on Wiseco pistons.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Jun  8 07:34:19 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:34:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem solved
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6296.1244294322.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF95950C30.D47A7D01-ON852575CF.004604B4-852575CF.004A8C3A@us.ibm.com>

Thanks for all the suggestions, as soon as I read about the disk being in
backwards I had a Homer Simpson DOH moment. Pulled the tranny Saturday
morning, found the disk in backwards. While I had it out I checked for some
of the other suggested conditions that could have caused the first one to
exhibit the abnormal wear but everything looked / measured OK. I put things
back together and went for a nice, uneventful ride Saturday night. Now that
it's fixed, my son has stolen it from me again, I guess it's time to put
the 1500 back on the road.

thanks
mike h


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Jun  8 13:14:59 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle
In-Reply-To: <FEE21617140C4623B590ADE55B953406@rocky>
References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com>
	<FEE21617140C4623B590ADE55B953406@rocky>
Message-ID: <8CBB6848D0C91A3-5E4-83F@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com>

 Bob,

The splined competition Spitfire axles are available from the UK.? A little time on the internet you should come across them.? Can't remember the place I saw them but start with the Triumph Sports Six Club there and check their links.?? 

Good luck ,
Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: list at mackenzie.aero; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: list at mackenzie.aero
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 1:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle









Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of early 
"competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've had in my 
Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years ago) have 
always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the hub from 
outside to inside.?
?

Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange that 
connects outer axle to inner axle.?
?

Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend 
Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar 
business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). 
dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774.?
?

--Rocky Entriken?
?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <list at mackenzie.aero>?

To: <fot at autox.team.net>?

Cc: <list at mackenzie.aero>?

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM?

Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle?
?


>I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can?

> help me out.?

>?

> For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4?

> (FC921) that I autocross.  Although I don?t have the full history of?

> the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some?

> point before being campaigned as an  autocross car into the 80s.  I?

> bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early?

> 2008.?

>?

> When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and?

> re-installed them.  One of the first projects was addressing the rear?

> suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff.  I recall pulling?

> the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and?

> putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I?

> don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive?

> shafts were anything out of the ordinary.  One feature that did catch?

> my eye is that the wheel studs.  They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5?

> inches long.  I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be?

> used to adjust track as required.?

>?

> Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I?

> discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear.  [I ended up dusting?

> off my street 1500 and having a great day  of racing but that?s?

> another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ]?

>?

> I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and?

> was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual?

> tapered shaft with keyway.?

>?

> Photo:  http://tinyurl.com/spitspline?

>?

> My question are:?

>?

> Has anybody else seen this set-up??

> Who made this??

> Where are the shafts from??

>?

> Any help will be appreciated.?

>?

> Robert MacKenzie?

> Austin, TX?

> _______________________________________________?

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From billsohl at optonline.net  Mon Jun  8 18:47:32 2009
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:47:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <EE8BDAD9F1A54E27B37D29335454A6A0@SohlPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:47 AM
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox


> Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
> races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
> _______________________________________________

Actually around here (Cablevision Territory) I have Speed Channel in HD 
also.

Cheers,
Bill Sohl


From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 06:02:26 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:02:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e7e4$c69345f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <1059757870.2183361244548946670.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I assume you are talking about "spiral lock rings".B  I use a dentist pick to
install and remove them without damage.

ron K.

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 10:56:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks

Anyone got a good trick for remove the spring lock type retainers? B I
can come up with several ways to remove them that would end up making
them useless but I would like to save them if I can. B In case I do
destroy them, I have a new set. B These are on Wiseco pistons.
B 
Thanks,
B 
Greg
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 11:11:31 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:11:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
	<4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6C1DE522C4944013913AC097AE11753C@RobPC>

Thanks to everyone  for the input   It looks like i will need a test day to 
get these brakes set up the right way.
  The rear at pressent have to much pad area ,it looks like they will need a 
less grippy pad . and increase to a 7/8 bore on the rear master.  thanks 
rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
To: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] brakes


> Quite a few factors contribute to determining the master cylinder size 
> needed.  Weight balance of the car and other factors determine the amount 
> of braking desired in the front vs. rear.  Rotor size, pad material and 
> caliper piston area determine the PSI of hydraulic pressure required to 
> cause the desired braking in each circuit.  Master cylinder piston area 
> determines the amount of mechanical force required on the piston to 
> produce the desired hydraulic pressure.  And of course mechanical leverage 
> determines the amount of force needed on the pedal to produce the required 
> mechanical force on the master cylinder piston.
> Depending on the equipment used, the required pressure can be quite 
> different in the front and rear circuits. Large rotors and calipers with 
> four big pistons in the rear will not require much pressure to do alot of 
> braking.  If this is used with stock calipers in the front, alot more 
> hydraulic pressure will be required in the front than the rear.  A larger 
> rear master cylinder will be required to keep the balance bar reasonably 
> centered.  With a single piston master cylinder, the front and rear 
> circuits must be designed to produce the desired braking force with the 
> same hydraulic pressure.  Doing the same with a dual master cylinder will 
> allow the use of two identical cylinders.  Wilwood offers most of their 
> calipers with a wide range of piston sizes to help in balancing the 
> system.  However, if you need to change the hydraulic ratio of an existing 
> system I am sure one master cylinder costs less than two calipers.
>
> Increasing the hydraulic advantage by reducing the master cylinder piston 
> area or increasing the caliper piston area or increasing the mechanical 
> advantage will decrease the force required on the pedal.  Going too far 
> can make the pedal feel spongy.  I once worked on a 550 Spyder replica 
> that had "spongy" brakes.  There was no problem locking up the brakes but 
> it felt like there was air in the system.  I finally gave up trying to 
> bleed non existent air from the system and figured out that there was so 
> much mechanical and hydraulic leverage that the calipers were over powered 
> and flexing with little pedal effort.  I reduced the mechanical leverage 
> in the pedal by a large percentage and fixed the problem.  Still plenty of 
> braking without too much pedal effort and now a nice firm pedal.  A larger 
> master cylinder would have done the same thing.  Of course if you go too 
> far in that direction you will not be able to stomp hard enough on the 
> firm pedal to stop the car.
>
> Richard Good
> Good Parts
>
> rob wrote:
>
>>Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
>>would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 
>>bore
>>for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 
>>with
>>stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
>>Thanks     rob
>>_______________________________________________


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  9 13:00:37 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over the
microphone area?

Scott


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  9 13:07:32 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:07:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the  
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS  
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over  
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  9 13:12:13 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:12:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929C6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

So far, I'm not terribly impressed, but then I only paid about $99 for
it, so I can't really complain.  I've been thinking about using it as a
rearward-facing camera, with something a little better looking out
front.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 13:30:13 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <1269940870.1614491244575567625.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1898633200.1615841244575813841.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Scott,

I read some reviews on that camera and there were some complaints about wind
noise

even with the microphone taped over. There seems to be wind leakage around the
...lens ?

There are a lot of unhappy customers.
Just today I'm ordering the go-pro camera from ebay with the wide angle lens
for a rearward view.

They can be had for 138.00 .



jim g





----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 1:12:13 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

So far, I'm not terribly impressed, but then I only paid about $99 for
it, so I can't really complain. B I've been thinking about using it as a
rearward-facing camera, with something a little better looking out
front.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise? B Can one simply tape a piece of foam over
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 14:18:02 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:18:02 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to windnoise? Planning on 
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the windshield. Reason: anticipate 
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope?

Jonmac 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 10 00:38:20 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:38:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
In-Reply-To: <3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAGi+YUAjCcFNnZFJVwWlklUBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I use a Panasonic SD cam mounted behind the seats. My bracket has a little
windshield and I tape over the micro and the result is okay. The windshield
in front of the micro is the important factor to reduce wind noise.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von John Macartney
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 22:18
An: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to
windnoise? Planning on
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the
windshield. Reason: anticipate
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope?

Jonmac
_______________________________________________


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jun 10 09:19:19 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage racer - any one know him?
Message-ID: <380-220096310151919576@M2W034.mail2web.com>

Hi gang!

Some HQ folks from the government program I work for came down for a big
meeting yesterday, and we ended up all going to dinner. During dinner, I
found out one of the guy's fathers raced a TR-3 (and several other cars)
back in the day! My HQ guy grew up crewing for his dad and learned how to
drive on an Alfa Romeo Berlina (extremely small world, as I almost learned
to drive on my dad's Berlina, but ended up learning on a neighbor's Vega
and my grandmother's Skylark).

Unfortunately, he did not remember his dad's numbers, but his name was
Harold Richmond and they raced with SCCA and in the north-eastern and
central areas -- he made mention of some course I had never heard of in
Canada. He said they also did hillclimbs.

Anyone remember or know of a Harold Richmond (he passed away in 1975)?

Thanks,
Susan     :)



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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 10 09:35:39 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:35:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAGi+YUAjCcFNnZFJVwWlklUBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <78160561.1837791244648139583.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have the same wind noise problem. I have added some foam rubber around the mic 

for this weekend. If that doesn't work I'm going to try a velcro-on leather cover 

over the entire camera. My camera doesn't have a port for an external mic. 

For those who do have the port, a remote mic with foam and positioned out 

of the wind will cure it. Might get some intersting sound from the trunk. 



Jim G. 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:38:20 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam 

I use a Panasonic SD cam mounted behind the seats. My bracket has a little 
windshield and I tape over the micro and the result is okay. The windshield 
in front of the micro is the important factor to reduce wind noise. 

Cheers 
Chris 

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im 
Auftrag von John Macartney 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 22:18 
An: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net 
Betreff: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam 

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to 
windnoise? Planning on 
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the 
windshield. Reason: anticipate 
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope? 

Jonmac 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun 10 12:47:28 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:47:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
Message-ID: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>

Hello Gang, Thanks for all the help everyone has given me in getting the TR7
Dolly Sprint car going.  Tomorrow she leaves on the Glenwood Spring Rally and
still has a long list of issues.  The most pressing is she will not pass our
local emissions test.  At high revs, I've leaned it out to where she does
fine.  At idle the HC goes way up.  The car has SU carbs of a type I'm not
real familiar with I guess they are HIF? with the float bowls on the bottoms
where the adjusting nuts would normally be.  The car cruises OK but off the
line stutters and stumbles.  It has a stock distributor with the Allison
ignition.  I seem to be albe to set the timing fine at about 12 degrees at
idle.  At 8 degrees it really stinks.  Any ideas?



Cheers, Henry Morrison TR6 and 7 to Denver tomorrow...................


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 10 13:12:00 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <353266.27256.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Last month I nominated Pat Barber to membership in this esteemed
group.
It was seconded by Marty Sukey.

I gave the wrong address for him. It
should have been pat at patrickbarber.com.

Mark, please add him to the group.
Thanks,

Doug
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun 10 15:55:18 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> At idle the HC goes way up.  

High HC indicates misfiring (possibly only partially).  Might be due to
mixture too lean, but I would suspect ignition problems first.  Make sure
the Allison module is getting a full 12v, and that the coil is getting the
voltage it expects.  IOW, if the coil requires a ballast resistor, the
Allison should get power from before the resistor.

FWIW, on one of my Stags with an Allison, the shutter assembly didn't fit
over the point cam properly, and had been broken and glued.  The break was
spread open, meaning that the timing was different for each cylinder.  Also,
when I fitted a Crane (which is very similar to the Allison) to my TR3, I
had a terrible time getting the phasing just right.  Eventually figured out
that the rotor had a "counterweight" cast into it that was thumping the
pickup on every revolution.

In both cases, the engine never did seem to run quite as well with the
optical pickup, as with points.

Randall


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 10 16:33:21 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>

I have just heard that Carl Swanson, my long time friend and driver in the
glory days of Triumph in the USA and National Champion in 1966 has died of
cancer.

Carl was a fantastic driver in his Morgan and then my GT-6 & TR-6. He did  the
prototype and tuning driving for the Competition Department in the GT-6 cars
and then campaigned the GT-6 in the S.C.C.A events.

Carl also drove the Kastner Brophy Racing TR-6 and was a hard competitor and
fun guy. We will miss Carl Swanson, good man.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From gaf3 at charter.net  Wed Jun 10 16:41:32 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A30369C.50205@charter.net>

dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:
> Hello Gang, Thanks for all the help everyone has given me in getting the TR7
> Dolly Sprint car going.  Tomorrow she leaves on the Glenwood Spring Rally and
> still has a long list of issues.  The most pressing is she will not pass our
> local emissions test.  At high revs, I've leaned it out to where she does
> fine.  At idle the HC goes way up.  The car has SU carbs of a type I'm not
> real familiar with I guess they are HIF? with the float bowls on the bottoms
> where the adjusting nuts would normally be.  The car cruises OK but off the
> line stutters and stumbles.  It has a stock distributor with the Allison
> ignition.  I seem to be albe to set the timing fine at about 12 degrees at
> idle.  At 8 degrees it really stinks.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison TR6 and 7 to Denver tomorrow...................
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>   
When you lean out the mixture, believe it or not HC goes up. When you 
enrich the mixture your CO will climb.
Maybe you already know this. I'm not sure but doesn't the HIF's have 
mixture screws for idle?

Glenn Franco
72 Spit race car


From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Jun 10 17:17:52 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 New Oil Sender Line.
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS47C34A02F2B0C0D54D2B7C3450@phx.gbl>

Grettings folks.

I decided to change out the flex line for my OP gauge because it was starting
to seep some.  I have replaced this thing a couple times before in the 28 odd
years I have been driving the car, so I looked for another solution.  I gave
Ted Schumacher a call and he sent me a complete "aeroquip" type braided
stainless line that goes from the fitting near the fuel pump all the way to
the instrument.

Install was straightforward, with the proviso that you put some TFE paste on
the threads of the gauge itself where the hose adapter connects. I also had to
use different clamps than the stock steel pipe on the firewall, but a trip to
the hardware yielded some nice plastic wire loom clips that work great.

This won't be for someone entering judged shows, but if you are like me, and I
suspect most of you are, and you drive your TR3 this makes for a nice, good
looking in a racer kind of way, fix.  It also simplifies the install as it
elminates one connection in the circuit.  And simple is better, yes?

Price is reasonable too.

Thanks for a good product Ted.



Terry Stetler.


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 10 17:42:44 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 New Oil Sender Line.
Message-ID: <514041.92029.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I too put one of Ted's OP gauge lines in my TR4 earlier this Spring.
Very nice - I should be good for the next 50 years.

Dennis


>
> I decided to change out the flex line for my OP gauge
> because it was starting
> to seep some.  I have replaced this thing a couple
> times before in the 28 odd
> years I have been driving the car, so I looked for another
> solution.  I gave
> Ted Schumacher a call and he sent me a complete "aeroquip"
> type braided
> stainless line that goes from the fitting near the fuel
> pump all the way to
> the instrument.
>
> Install was straightforward, with the proviso that you put
> some TFE paste on
> the threads of the gauge itself where the hose adapter
> connects. I also had to
> use different clamps than the stock steel pipe on the
> firewall, but a trip to
> the hardware yielded some nice plastic wire loom clips that
> work great.
>
> This won't be for someone entering judged shows, but if you
> are like me, and I
> suspect most of you are, and you drive your TR3 this makes
> for a nice, good
> looking in a racer kind of way, fix.  It also
> simplifies the install as it
> elminates one connection in the circuit.  And simple
> is better, yes?
>
> Price is reasonable too.
>
> Thanks for a good product Ted.
>
>
>
> Terry Stetler.
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Jun 11 06:03:34 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:03:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>
References: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
	<20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W106B8DB9A584E21A09C18A90420@phx.gbl>

Thanks, I'll check out all that.  I have noticed that the voltage at the coil
is low, like 7.5 volts.  when the battery gets low, as the charging system is
giving me fits, the car seems to run worse.  I'll take my computer and give
the list the blow by blow.  I'll also take a look at the fuel
pressure...............Cheers Henry

> From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:55:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
>
> > At idle the HC goes way up.
>
> High HC indicates misfiring (possibly only partially). Might be due to
> mixture too lean, but I would suspect ignition problems first. Make sure
> the Allison module is getting a full 12v, and that the coil is getting the
> voltage it expects. IOW, if the coil requires a ballast resistor, the
> Allison should get power from before the resistor.
>
> FWIW, on one of my Stags with an Allison, the shutter assembly didn't fit
> over the point cam properly, and had been broken and glued. The break was
> spread open, meaning that the timing was different for each cylinder. Also,
> when I fitted a Crane (which is very similar to the Allison) to my TR3, I
> had a terrible time getting the phasing just right. Eventually figured out
> that the rotor had a "counterweight" cast into it that was thumping the
> pickup on every revolution.
>
> In both cases, the engine never did seem to run quite as well with the
> optical pickup, as with points.
>
> Randall
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun 11 06:32:22 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:32:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
Ambro.

Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.

His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com

Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?

Scott B.


From emanteno at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 06:33:44 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>

I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.

;-)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> Ambro.
>
> Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
> His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>
> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 07:27:32 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:27:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>

Thanks Irv and Scott.

I am surprised that it requires a high powered Wisconsin Lawyer and a 
Captain of Industry to get this done. But whatever it takes. I miss the list.

Gary Fuqua is also experiencing 30+ days of List Withdrawal.

Thanks,

Joe


> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee 
> buying dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
> 
> ;-)


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Jun 11 07:30:13 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:30:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040D9F916B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Mark Van Lake is back on the list. Maybe you are next in line?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:28 AM
To: emanteno at gmail.com; sbarr at mccarty-law.com
Cc: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

Thanks Irv and Scott.

I am surprised that it requires a high powered Wisconsin Lawyer and a
Captain of Industry to get this done. But whatever it takes. I miss the list.

Gary Fuqua is also experiencing 30+ days of List Withdrawal.

Thanks,

Joe


> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee
> buying dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>
> ;-)
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 11 07:40:14 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:40:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090611134054.B289B187670@autox.team.net>

I think Joe's problem is that his ISP is essentially AOL.  It appears 
that AOL has taken a dislike to autox.team.net in all forms.  I 
suggested that Joe use an alternate e-mail address that is less 
likely to be blocked.  He does have an alternate address that could 
be used.  Otherwise, I've set up g-mail addresses for that kind of 
thing.  For a while, I had a rule that forwarded all FOT e-mail to an 
alternate address for Christian Marx when HIS ISP blocked stuff.  I 
could do that if necessary.  You'd only get FOT e-mails while my 
e-mail program is running, though.

- Tony Drews

At 07:32 AM 6/11/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>Ambro.
>
>Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
>list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
>His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>
>Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
>Scott B.


From list at mackenzie.aero  Thu Jun 11 08:54:17 2009
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1147 Distributor
Message-ID: <000601c9eaa4$7ee060e0$7ca122a0$@aero>

Does anybody have a decent 1147 distributor they can part with?


From wredinger at oppd.com  Thu Jun 11 09:44:18 2009
From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31AA6ED09FA@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>

Hold him hostage for some of his Monaco F1 Photo's and stories!

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey
Sent: Thursday,
June 11, 2009 7:34 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com;
fot at autox.team.net; Mark J Bradakis
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

I will
second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
dinner
for me last week as he passed through Chicago.

;-)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009
at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> There's a guy here
in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> list.  He's been a
Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> of you.  He's messing
with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> Ambro.
>
> Name of Joe
Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> list now.
Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
> His e-mail address is
N197TR4 at cs.com
>
> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
>
Scott B.
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Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 11 10:19:40 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:19:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>

FWIW I stopped receiving all the list emails a year or so ago. Went round and
round with my ISP for a couple of months. They kept on saying it wasn't
them:). . I ended up creating a hotmail account and sent all my list emails to
the hotmail address and everything has worked fine since then. Well at least
all my email stuff has worked fine......



Marty


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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 10:21:20 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 80mpg   no lbc
Message-ID: <97D9358F41054BD69DEC1DB31AD4A291@RobPC>

Langford Preformance Engineering (www.ipengines.com)   has installed a  self
lubricating minny turbine (www.capstoneturbine) into a seven passenger Ford
minny van with no overall wght. increase.   pretty coool    rob


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 10:28:07 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:28:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] List issues
Message-ID: <d53.4ddfd4fb.37628a97@cs.com>

I am going to try another email address as Tony D suggests.  I have an 
address on my website that is set up to go to my AOL/CS email account.



> FWIW I stopped receiving all the list emails a year or so ago. Went round 
> and round with my ISP for a couple of months. They kept on saying it 
> wasn't them:). . I ended up creating a hotmail account and sent all my list 
> emails to the hotmail address and everything has worked fine since then. Well 
> at least all my email stuff has worked fine......
>  
> Marty


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Thu Jun 11 10:53:39 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:53:39 EDT
Subject: [Fot] enroll
Message-ID: <d5e.4f029536.37629093@aol.com>

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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 11 14:08:35 2009
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:08:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>

I dunno... should we let just anybody in?

I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
wine fanatics...

This could get out of hand y'know.

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon



That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...







> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
> From: emanteno at gmail.com
> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>
> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>
> ;-)
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>
> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> > list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> > of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> > Ambro.
> >
> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> > list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
> >
> > His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
> >
> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
> >
> > Scott B.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Thu Jun 11 14:09:38 2009
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C656CEB2.2FE0%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Hey!!!!


On 6/11/09 3:08 PM, "greenman62 at hotmail.com" <greenman62 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I dunno... should we let just anybody in?
> 
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
> wine fanatics...
> 
> This could get out of hand y'know.
> 
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon
> 
> 
> 
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
>> From: emanteno at gmail.com
>> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
>> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>> 
>> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
>> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>>> list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>>> of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>>> Ambro.
>>> 
>>> Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
>>> list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>>> 
>>> His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>>> 
>>> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>>> 
>>> Scott B.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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>> 
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>> 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 14:12:12 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:12:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A56CA314A723430DBC9A267FCC7D03D1@Bud>

Wine Fanatics!.....Wine Fanatics!.....5pm...every evening here in Sonoma, 
Ca....IT'S THE LAW!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
To: <emanteno at gmail.com>; <sbarr at mccarty-law.com>
Cc: "Joe alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
<mjb at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination


>I dunno... should we let just anybody in?
>
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
> wine fanatics...
>
> This could get out of hand y'know.
>
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon
>
>
>
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
>> From: emanteno at gmail.com
>> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
>> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>>
>> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee 
>> buying
>> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>> > list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>> > of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>> > Ambro.
>> >
>> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the 
>> > FOT
>> > list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>> >
>> > His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>> >
>> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>> >
>> > Scott B.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> >
>> > http://www.fot-racing.com
>> >
>> > Fot mailing list
>> > Fot at autox.team.net
>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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>>
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 18:35:52 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CBB90CDFDD1811-15C0-136E@webmail-dx15.sysops.aol.com>

does your message mean I am back on....or what?

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com
To: emanteno at gmail.com; sbarr at mccarty-law.com
Cc: Joe alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 3:08 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination


I dunno... should we let just anybody in? 

I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and wine fanatics... 

This could get out of hand y'know.

Greg Petrolati?? Lafayette, Oregon 

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 





> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
> From: emanteno at gmail.com
> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
> 
> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> > list. He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> > of you. He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> > Ambro.
> >
> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> > list now. Anybody with a second? He's wacky, but one of us.
> >
> > His e-mail address is N197TR4 at cs.com
> >
> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
> >
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 16:31:02 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:31:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
In-Reply-To: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>
References: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>
Message-ID: <B4F66BCD-4386-4DFA-8EC1-301EEFB818A9@comcast.net>

His legacy lives on, though.  Running my GT-6 in a Pennsylvania  
hillclimb this weekend.  I can only wish that my work would leave  
behind something that helps other people have so much fun!  The  
knowledge you guys developed and passed along is unquestionably part  
of my old SCCA car that started competing at least as early as 1971 on  
the West Coast - no logbooks existed before that.

On Jun 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

I have just heard that Carl Swanson, my long time friend and driver in  
the
glory days of Triumph in the USA and National Champion in 1966 has  
died of
cancer.

Carl was a fantastic driver in his Morgan and then my GT-6 & TR-6. He  
did  the
prototype and tuning driving for the Competition Department in the  
GT-6 cars
and then campaigned the GT-6 in the S.C.C.A events.

Carl also drove the Kastner Brophy Racing TR-6 and was a hard  
competitor and
fun guy. We will miss Carl Swanson, good man.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a  
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 21:17:16 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] testing
Message-ID: <8CBB9236C21E0B7-13F4-1ADC@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jun 11 21:46:20 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
	<BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>

Many people knowingly and willing waste their money on AOL.

May God have mercy on their souls.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jun 11 22:03:58 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:03:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
	<BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
	<4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4A31D3AE.2040808@bradakis.com>

By the way, a LOT of the list issues like non-member, oversized posts,
AOL stupidity and such would be non-existent in a forum based situation,
like http://www.team.net/forums

mjb.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun 12 07:17:46 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire front bumper, for squaretail
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292BFB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Does anybody have a front bumper for a squaretail Spitfire they'd like
to sell?

Scott


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jun 12 07:32:51 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
Message-ID: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>

With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the 
camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I 
say with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to 
get too large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, 
so (I hope) the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and 
some of their pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't 
like the choices available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've 
developed two cams, the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see 
Testimonials) and a newly developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 
cam requires a full sized lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford 
lifter.   I would like to do a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a 
street cam with about 275 degrees and 0.330 lift  All of my cams are 
quick opening/closing and high lift compared to others with a similar 
duration. All I need is four firm orders to justify cutting a master.  I 
plan to get into TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.  I've now got a Cam 
Doctor, so I will soon be able to accurately measure camshaft profiles 
as a service. If you're interested in any of this contact me off list.
Larry Young


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jun 12 07:57:52 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906120942330.2710@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I read my old-fashioned mail in batches, usually when the stack on the 
chair gets knocked over by one of the cats...

At ay rate, I unfolded the 2009 Mid Ohio events brochure and there's a 
really nice picture of what appears to be Bill Tobin's TR6 cresting what 
appears to be the top of the hill in the esses.

The picture is for the promo for the Vintage event at the end of June.

Kool!

rml
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 08:10:50 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
In-Reply-To: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
References: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906120710n6e08ea79vb26b9dde6b3c8b7e@mail.gmail.com>

Larry,
Thanks for that great web site.  I have learned more cam theory in 20
minutes than I knew through a life of experience!  Looking forward to
you designing a high performance [i.e.race] cam for the TR6.
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Larry Young<cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
> With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the
> camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I say
> with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to get too
> large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, so (I hope)
> the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and some of their
> pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't like the choices
> available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've developed two cams,
> the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see Testimonials) and a newly
> developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 cam requires a full sized
> lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford lifter.   I would like to do
> a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a street cam with about 275 degrees
and
> 0.330 lift  All of my cams are quick opening/closing and high lift compared
> to others with a similar duration. All I need is four firm orders to
justify
> cutting a master.  I plan to get into TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.
>  I've now got a Cam Doctor, so I will soon be able to accurately measure
> camshaft profiles as a service. If you're interested in any of this contact
> me off list.
> Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
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--
Chuck Arnold


From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri Jun 12 08:40:07 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
References: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c9eb6b$aea02a50$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

It maybe commercial but, oh so nice.  Would love to have this on the FOT 
site as a link.


Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement


> With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the 
> camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I 
> say with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to get 
> too large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, so (I 
> hope) the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and some of 
> their pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't like the 
> choices available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've developed 
> two cams, the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see Testimonials) 
> and a newly developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 cam requires a 
> full sized lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford lifter.   I 
> would like to do a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a street cam with 
> about 275 degrees and 0.330 lift  All of my cams are quick opening/closing 
> and high lift compared to others with a similar duration. All I need is 
> four firm orders to justify cutting a master.  I plan to get into 
> TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.  I've now got a Cam Doctor, so I will 
> soon be able to accurately measure camshaft profiles as a service. If 
> you're interested in any of this contact me off list.
> Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 12 09:34:58 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:34:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906120942330.2710@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <01d401c9eb73$588494a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all, yes, that's me in the photo. I hadn't gotten my copy in the mail,
but Sam Halkius e-mailed me about it; On the cover of the Rolling Stone is
how he phrased it. Thanks Sam.
  I'll be at MO, but without the car. A lot of trial and tribulations this
year.
  I am signed up for BeaveRun in mid-July though. I encourage anyone else to
do that event. Fun track, nice people, and for a good cause. Part of PVGP.
  See you at the races, Bill.----- Original Message -----
  From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure


  > Hi,
  >
  > I read my old-fashioned mail in batches, usually when the stack on the
  > chair gets knocked over by one of the cats...
  >
  > At ay rate, I unfolded the 2009 Mid Ohio events brochure and there's a
  > really nice picture of what appears to be Bill Tobin's TR6 cresting what
  > appears to be the top of the hill in the esses.
  >
  > The picture is for the promo for the Vintage event at the end of June.
  >
  > Kool!
  >
  > rml


> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 12 09:50:07 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:50:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <d0f.4d310cb1.3763d32f@cs.com>

But I miss racer Bud.....

Looking forward to Portland, BTW. No tow likely for this one and may use 
airline, but plan to be there.  Joe A


> I dunno... should we let just anybody in? 
> 
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and 
> wine fanatics... 
> 
> This could get out of hand y'know.
> 
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon 
> 
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Jun 12 18:13:21 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
Message-ID: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>

I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.

Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!

But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped with
a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis asked
me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth the
asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
those spares.

(And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)

--Rocky Entriken

PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
to get on when a new member is approved.


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jun 12 18:21:42 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <C0BBF7AD-12AD-44B5-AA56-8F06BB0B27B4@charter.net>

Second for two more Spitfire Drivers. Welcome!!
On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote:

> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this  
> list.
>
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of  
> Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them  
> to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers  
> in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class  
> to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out  
> and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already  
> equipped with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on  
> this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When  
> Dennis asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was  
> worth the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built  
> from
> those spares.
>
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten  
> them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is  
> for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Jun 12 18:37:14 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:37:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330906121737n19d454bew7b6d0fb4fad4129e@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded! Anybody who can beat Rocky in a Spit is ok by me!
:)


On 6/12/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
>
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped
> with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis
> asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth
> the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
> those spares.
>
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 12 18:49:29 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:49:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
	<d9f7bd330906121737n19d454bew7b6d0fb4fad4129e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBB5643A3B024DE4B8D0FE17B83D18F3@Bud>

A Hearty Welcome from Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in...Nor Cal!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; ".Triumph List" 
<fot at autox.team.net>; "Smith, Dennis/Nancy" <smnck at kansas.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy


> Seconded! Anybody who can beat Rocky in a Spit is ok by me!
> :)
>
>
> On 6/12/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
>>
>> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina 
>> Region
>> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
>> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
>> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to 
>> remain
>> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>>
>> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
>> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped
>> with
>> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this 
>> list.
>> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis
>> asked
>> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was 
>> worth
>> the
>> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
>> those spares.
>>
>> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them 
>> yet
>> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>>
>> --Rocky Entriken
>>
>> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for 
>> them
>> to get on when a new member is approved.
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 12 18:57:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HSR WEST RACE AT INFINEON
Message-ID: <05F7D757A4514845AD412069C36F8355@Bud>

Hi Gang....for the 1st time, HSR West is hosting a vintage race at
Infineon(Sears Point)..... the last weekend of August...
HSR WEST SUMMER RACES..this is a very famous track, and is still in the same
configuration as it was in 1968, when it opened(only a few minor changes to a
couple of turns,barely noticeable, and some hill cutting for spectator
visability, and runoff added in a few places.)......
Racer bud..Sonoma, Ca...


From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Jun 13 06:04:50 2009
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 5:04:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <20090613080450.8PYF7.184167.root@mp05>

I second Dennis and Nancy! I was going to nominate them after they picked up all that stuff that was my stuff and now it's all their stuff.
 They both looked like a couple of kids in a candy store trying to figure out how to get all the candy in their pockets. They got a great car. 
 Welcome to the list guys!
Jeff Senty
---- Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote: 
> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
> 
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
> 
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
> those spares.
> 
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
> 
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 13 06:47:24 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:47:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VELOCITY STACKS KVS-175  SS Mesh/Custom Filters
Message-ID: <cf6.57258b4c.3764f9dc@cs.com>

List:

Important Commercial Information..................

I received the first 4 pair of custom filters for the KVS-175. I am 
shipping three pair on Monday.

The silicon mold tooling is done and more SS material has been ordered for 
future production.

These filters conform to the shape of the bell and are secured with a 
molded silicon lip. If you feel you need filters, these make sense.

When I was at Road Atlanta I talked to Lee Holman (Holman & Moody). Holman 
is using his own custom version of these on his engines for the continuation 
of build 
GT-40s. (This was a voluntary conversation on his part as he saw a sample I 
had in my hand and recognized the construction) He feels that this filter 
will handle the fine sand of Florida.

On approval & returnable if you dont want them. Finally, we have some dyno 
results pending from an independent third party, with and without the 
filters, but those tests have been delayed.

I have one pair available now, and will have more produced to a list of 
advance orders.

$65/pr. including shipping.  

Note: If you did not get the Kastner designed Velocity Stacks initially, 
because of the availability of filters, I have a few work in process. (It will 
take awhile to finish them because I am in a bit of time crunch with 
pending race and AMBRO build)

Thanks!

Joe (A)


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 13 08:05:43 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heat Wrap - Non Triumph
Message-ID: <AMEPLGDBBNPBELGKPOHEKEEACFAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Amici,

I have a friend with a Corvair Spyder (turbocharged)
with a heat problem. The portion of the exhaust feeding
the turbo runs hot and he would like to put some heat
wrap on it. Any suggestions? Would the typical header
wrap work in this environment? Or is there something
better?

Thanks,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 14 00:31:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:31:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List stuff again
Message-ID: <4A34994D.5090004@bradakis.com>

I believe that the issues with AOL and other such entities regarding 
blocking
email from Team.Net has been resolved, and effected addresses should be back
in current status.

What fun.  Only a few dozen more lists and who knows how many hundreds
of addresses to process.  Not exactly how I wanted to spend my weekend.
So it goes.

In case you are wondering, the problem was with reverse DNS.  Basically
every computer has a name and an address.  If you give a name to a domain
name server, you get back an address.  That is required for a computer to
work on the network.  What ISN'T required is giving an address and getting
back a name.  In practice, though, most everyone has it set up.  So the AOL
mail server sees a message from autox.team.net, address x.x and does a
reverse lookup on x.x and gets x.x.frobble.in-blah.  That is not 
autox.team.net
so it assumes the message is spam and chucks it into the bit bucket.  In 
truth
there is more to it than that, the name to number matching is not 1 to 1.
aol.com is a LOT more than just one computer at one address.  And even
the team.net server also takes care of other domains like 
britishmotorclub.org
and baileysautomotive.com and utahlotusmuseum.com and such.  But that
is beyond the scope of this message, I'm sure many folks have already given
up reading this far.

It was working fine for years, but when I switched ISPs last month and got
a new IP address, the new ISP did not properly set up the reverse lookup.
Should be fixed now.

mjb.


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Jun 14 12:35:50 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:35:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
Message-ID: <BLU126-DS1F7AB4F097A18B037EA70B7410@phx.gbl>

As promised by the Speed Channel, the new digital/Hi-Def format rendered
spectacular results. I was up till mid-night 'flat screened' & managed to wake
up in time for the podium ceremonies this morning. Have to say, it got the
juices flowing for my first race for 09'  next month @ High Plains.
Expecting reports from the 3 TR4 amigos (Grey, Hodgson & Roelofs down @
Pueblo, CO. this weekend.

Kevin


From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 14 13:39:56 2009
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
Message-ID: <78653.55321.qm@web80701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great to see real race cars and real racing on SPEED.  I thought the coverage
was great.

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com> wrote:


From: KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com>
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 1:35 PM


As promised by the Speed Channel, the new digital/Hi-Def format rendered
spectacular results. I was up till mid-night 'flat screened' & managed to
wake
up in time for the podium ceremonies this morning. Have to say, it got the
juices flowing for my first race for 09'  next month @ High Plains.
Expecting reports from the 3 TR4 amigos (Grey, Hodgson & Roelofs down @
Pueblo, CO. this weekend.

Kevin
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jun 14 20:22:22 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trans on Craiglist
Message-ID: <4A35B05E.4070002@greenheart.com>

I have no interest here, but I ran into this advertisement today.  If 
this trans was rebuilt by Herman Van Den Akker as the advertisement 
says, you can be sure it was done right.  So if anyone is looking for a 
trans, this might be a good buy.    --Justin



http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1220354961.html


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Jun 14 21:19:20 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:19:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Lenghty notes on FOT Email
In-Reply-To: <20061215042250.03EB55E93BF@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>

Hi Mark

Cary Perket Group44TR7 at aol.com wanted me to relay a message to you that he
is not getting the Fot emails for a while now and would like see if you can
somehow get him back on the distribution.

Thanks

Paul MacDonald 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 15 09:30:43 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Firing up
In-Reply-To: <20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>
References: <20061215042250.03EB55E93BF@autox.team.net>
	<20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAANDHBSDrMz5LpNl6sEjldlwBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

This video is two month old and I'm not sure if I published it before.

It is not very interesting and maybe boring too but all went fine and that's
the main thing of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JyWluuaOU

Cheers
Chris


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Jun 15 15:30:41 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:30:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a small crank 1300 Block!!!
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A55D002@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Well the jury is probably in and I need a 1300 small crank block to get
my 1972 Spit back on the track!!!

Anyone got one available?? Call me at 866-455-7788 8-5 CST or
615-347-0260 whenever you have time.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jun 15 21:43:16 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
Message-ID: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Amici,

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?

As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for Oregon
Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!  

We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!

Jim Norlin


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Mon Jun 15 22:06:31 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>

I will second also for Mike M. and second for a great Rose Cup weekend !!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report


> Amici,
>
> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>
> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for 
> Oregon
> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>
> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>
> Jim Norlin
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 16 00:49:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:49:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
In-Reply-To: <7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
Message-ID: <2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>

I had a great time. SCCA races are not the same kind of social thing  
that pure vintage races are, but there's a lot of fine folks that I  
haven't seen for a while, it was really good to catch up. I should add  
a few more SCCA and ICSSC events to my calendar.

Peyote did just fine. A great number of people were entranced with  
either Peyote or Nero or both. I had a pretty steady stream of curious  
visitors. Peyote looks very different, As I've said before, it's  
almost pretty now, but at the same time it's very true to it's  
origins. Surprising to see how much difference having straight metal  
and a fine hand at fitting everything really makes. Tony Garmey did an  
amazing job.

She also rocked on the track. Set a new personal lap record for  
Portland--1:29:784. That is picking them up and puttin' them down my  
friends. I have no problem remembering when I thought I'd never see  
1:31. We had a split start with open wheel cars going off first, and  
in the field of 30-odd non-open wheel cars I finished third overall on  
Sunday, and second in VP2. Lots of pretty darned good cars and fine  
drivers. I think folks were a little shocked at what a giant killer  
this goofy little car is.  And that's with very old tires and an  
engine that's done a stupendous number of events--basically three very  
busy years without a rebuild.

Arnie Loyning took first in his lotus elan, which was absolutely  
stunningly fast, turning 1:27: something and setting a new track VP2  
record. Arnie's a hell of a good driver but the car was amazing. 1200  
pounds and 180+ horsepower. Behind him was Dick Albrecht in his very  
nice Shelby 350 mustang. I was filling Dick's mirrors in every turn  
and I almost got past him a couple of times, but he finally got a  
little track between us and I couldn't regain it.  I had a fine battle  
with Don Madsdens Lotus S7, Mike Smith's GT350, and Norm Daniels  
Camaro, as well as an assortment of Datsun 240Zs, a pretty wicked  
Dodge Charger, a Sunbeam Tiger and some Alpha Romeos.

I really thought Peyote gaining 30 pounds would take a toll in lap  
times, but it didn't. I had a throttle cable pop off during Saturday's  
race, but other than that it was flawless all weekend.


On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote:

> I will second also for Mike M. and second for a great Rose Cup  
> weekend !!!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net 
> >
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
>
>
>> Amici,
>>
>> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.   
>> Mike
>> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here  
>> in
>> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the  
>> intent
>> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on  
>> Labor Day
>> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I  
>> bet he
>> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>>
>> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held  
>> up the
>> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal  
>> for Oregon
>> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars  
>> entered with
>> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>>
>> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
> Fot mailing list
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 16 04:17:17 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
In-Reply-To: <2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
	<2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <189799.52153.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How could Peyote even think about filling any mirrors? It ain't that big. ;)
________________________________
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Mark
Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:49:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination and
brief race report

I had a great time. SCCA races are not the same kind of
social thing that pure vintage races are, but there's a lot of fine folks that
I haven't seen for a while, it was really good to catch up. I should add a few
more SCCA and ICSSC events to my calendar.

Peyote did just fine. A great
number of people were entranced with either Peyote or Nero or both. I had a
pretty steady stream of curious visitors. Peyote looks very different, As I've
said before, it's almost pretty now, but at the same time it's very true to
it's origins. Surprising to see how much difference having straight metal and
a fine hand at fitting everything really makes. Tony Garmey did an amazing
job.

She also rocked on the track. Set a new personal lap record for
Portland--1:29:784. That is picking them up and puttin' them down my friends.
I have no problem remembering when I thought I'd never see 1:31. We had a
split start with open wheel cars going off first, and in the field of 30-odd
non-open wheel cars I finished third overall on Sunday, and second in VP2.
Lots of pretty darned good cars and fine drivers. I think folks were a little
shocked at what a giant killer this goofy little car is.  And that's with very
old tires and an engine that's done a stupendous number of events--basically
three very busy years without a rebuild.

Arnie Loyning took first in his
lotus elan, which was absolutely stunningly fast, turning 1:27: something and
setting a new track VP2 record. Arnie's a hell of a good driver but the car
was amazing. 1200 pounds and 180+ horsepower. Behind him was Dick Albrecht in
his very nice Shelby 350 mustang. I was filling Dick's mirrors in every turn
and I almost got past him a couple of times, but he finally got a little track
between us and I couldn't regain it.  I had a fine battle with Don Madsdens
Lotus S7, Mike Smith's GT350, and Norm Daniels Camaro, as well as an
assortment of Datsun 240Zs, a pretty wicked Dodge Charger, a Sunbeam Tiger and
some Alpha Romeos.

I really thought Peyote gaining 30 pounds would take a
toll in lap times, but it didn't. I had a throttle cable pop off during
Saturday's race, but other than that it was flawless all weekend.


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Jun 16 05:36:01 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <B7A6D468DE23461AB4E205A0A9C313F6@userb38463fba5>

I'll second that for certain.
Mark is a son-in law of a friend here in Hudson, OH. That car has some 
significant provenance having been raced almost all of it's life. 
Significant Mid-West / Chicago history. It was restored at one time by Bill 
Lynn of VTR fame and another Chicago man but I don't remember his name. I 
had a history of the car at one time and lost it in a hard disc crash. I may 
still have it on another computer. If not Mike may have it or I can get it 
from his father-in-law. The father-in-law has 1 of 2 TR2's that I'm aware of 
painted in the original Geranium (pink) color. Nice car too.
His father, Leo Mehl was Goodyear's Racing Tire Director for many years and 
I believe he was also involved in IRL stuff for awhile. So the car as well 
as the owners have a rich racing history.
It will make a nice race car.
I need to find that history too. May have some surprise in there.

JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report


> Amici,
>
> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>
> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for 
> Oregon
> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>
> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>
> Jim Norlin
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>


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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Tue Jun 16 10:46:06 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] oil cooler
Message-ID: <C1044494D4424608AB9FBDE49BEDAE8B@Dell5100Laptop>

Guys. I have to buy a new oil cooler for my TR4 (11:1 CR, max 6500 rpm)
and am wondering what size others are using successfully.  Thanks, Don


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun 16 15:07:13 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:07:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Paging Jack Woerhle - SVRA
Message-ID: <e465d78329744.4a380981@optonline.net>

Jack,  please contact me off list.  

Thanks
Todd Redmond
alfetta95 at optonline.net


From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 18:49:30 2009
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:49:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <798194804.4673731245199770675.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Who says miracles don't happen!! I just received an acceptance letter for this
year's Monterey Historics! Ole 65 TR4 #116 has made it to the big time! If
anyone plans on attending Monterey week, please look me up. I'll be going down
with Tony Garmey and John Long, who drives a 58 Devinn SS. Please look us up
in the paddock!



Regards,





JohnB 


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 19:21:44 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <FD5F87257D234ADEBCC973AEBC21CE34@Bud>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <jcjcarrera at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics


> WOOHOOO!    Congratulations John!.....I love the Historics...and...as  a 
> race fan since 1953....and a Race Driver since 1968....I am glad to see 
> some more representation of How It 'REALLY' Was.....
> By the way..I'm still looking for one of my old Tr4 racecars....where did 
> yours come from?
> Racer Bud..
> Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jcjcarrera at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics
>
>
>> Who says miracles don't happen!! I just received an acceptance letter for 
>> this
>> year's Monterey Historics! Ole 65 TR4 #116 has made it to the big time! 
>> If
>> anyone plans on attending Monterey week, please look me up. I'll be going 
>> down
>> with Tony Garmey and John Long, who drives a 58 Devinn SS. Please look us 
>> up
>> in the paddock!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JohnB
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Tue Jun 16 22:09:49 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:09:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil cooler
References: <C1044494D4424608AB9FBDE49BEDAE8B@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <FE045058B3824EB5A6C15AE9BF032555@Pendys>

Don; My TR4 came with a 19 row cooler mounted directly at the left side 
headlight opening, it measured 10 in. wide by 5.5 in tall. It got hammerd by 
a 1/4 nut on track, ( still looking for that car by the way) It was from 
Earls Performance Plumbing . part # 41900. Then i installed a Mocal part 
#OC1163-8 cooler, it was a 16 row that measured 6 in. wide by 5 in tall, it 
did'nt last the three day Rose Cup weekend and developed an internal leak on 
track which made me very popular that day.Sunday morn. I installed a Setrab 
part #50-619-7612 , 19 row measuring 10.in wide by 5.5 in tall. The 
difference in oil temp was about 20 degrees between the larger ones verses 
the smaller one. 190degrees vrs.210. Temp. over the 3 day weekend was in the 
70s and air was pretty thick so gauge accordingly.The Mocal unit needed 
special adapta-fittings to utilize 10an fittings so be ware, they interfered 
with my hood a little bit.These measurements given are the actual cooling 
area, allow for bracketry. Bigger units cost app.165.00 smaller unit 135.00. 
These figures seemed the same for a 13.5 cr. and a 11.0 cr. engine running 
up to 7200 rpm and 6800rpm. Hope this info. helps. Mark Pendy tr4 #65
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Marshall" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>
To: "FOT" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] oil cooler


> Guys. I have to buy a new oil cooler for my TR4 (11:1 CR, max 6500 rpm)
> and am wondering what size others are using successfully.  Thanks, Don
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Jun 17 11:45:48 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:45:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 17 11:54:08 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:54:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1D5ADEB81EF4D6A87D1C8B4C81C7F8D@joepentiumnew>

There is a place in Tyler Texas called Ssnake-Oyl Products that specializes
in seatbelt restoration.

www.ssnake-oyl.com

I ran across one of the owners a couple of years ago at the Barrett Jackson
Auction in Scottsdale.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 17 12:24:51 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had mine done last year at Crow in California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
They did a great job - very reasonable.

Dennis


 I know at least one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 12:23:38 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:23:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>

Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores parachute
harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 12:36:49 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:36:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E487CF6B-DC8D-4B4C-808C-630538CF5529@comcast.net>

You might try the manufacturer itself - I recall that Pyrotect will  
redo the ones I got from them.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

I had mine done last year at Crow in California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
They did a great job - very reasonable.

Dennis


I know at least one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 12:56:06 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>

Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to  
throw them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:

> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I  
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 12:59:28 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>

But will it be FIA date stamped?

On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote:

> Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores  
> parachute
> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of robert bownes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
>
> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I  
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 13:01:26 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:01:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
	<EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <790DCD4D-5CD8-4208-BA83-E5FD80C41DD9@bnj.com>

I meant FIM of course.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> But will it be FIA date stamped?
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote:
>
>> Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores  
>> parachute
>> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of robert bownes
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
>>
>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
>> company was
>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was.  
>> I have 3
>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
>> mess.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Jun 17 13:38:00 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390906171238t76a6c45ci14cb9afe3488fe06@mail.gmail.com>

I know G-Force does their belts, but when I checked into it it was
only a little cheaper then all out replacements due to shipping costs.

A.

2009/6/17 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
> Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to throw
> them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have
>> 3
>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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-- 
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada
FIAT (Fast In A Turn)


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 17 13:50:03 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <289185.16326.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes and Yes - SFI tags
and the belts are half what I paid for the original Simpsons.
I am telling you - they are first rate.
It took them about a week to do the work.

Dennis
 
> For future referance, was there a significant cost
> savings over purchasing new belts?
>  
> Were the restored belts labeled with SFI or FIM tags?
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I had mine done last year at Crow in
> California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
> They did a great job - very reasonable.
>
> Dennis


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun 17 14:28:40 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com><F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
	<4362ae390906171238t76a6c45ci14cb9afe3488fe06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A141E4CACFE84AB2BBD475C2D64B9295@rocky>

I discovered basically the same thing when I looked into getting my Simpson 
belts re-webbed.

Was easier just to buy a new set. But then, I offered my out-of-date belts 
for sale to autocrossers (who have no date requirement). Sold them for more 
than the difference between reweb and new, but it was still a cheap price to 
the solo guys.

'Nother trick. Last year I shared my car a few times in solo events with a 
skinny guy. Rather than readjust the lap belts back and forth each time, I 
just put my old laps in next to the new ones, connected to the same eyebolt 
and we each had our own set already adjusted to our individual needs 
(shoulder straps readjust every time anyway).

--Rocky


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing


>I know G-Force does their belts, but when I checked into it it was
> only a little cheaper then all out replacements due to shipping costs.
>
> A.
>
> 2009/6/17 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>> Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to 
>> throw
>> them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company 
>>> was
>>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I 
>>> have
>>> 3
>>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bob


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 15:37:56 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:37:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAHBCRXhsw2pBunqFivAv2xkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I give my old harnesses to young drivers who tune their cars.
They are always thankful about and I got writ of it.

Cheers
Chris (who bought new a new belt and are valid for another 5 years)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2009 20:56
An: robert bownes
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to
throw them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:

> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Thu Jun 18 02:00:14 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Justin Wagner:  Friends in the U.K.
Message-ID: <4A39F40E.5080103@greenheart.com>

I'm dialling in some plans to go the U.K. between the 19th and the 
26th.  I'm planning to attend at least one day at TR Register's 
International Weekend, being held at the Three Counties Showground, 
Malvern, 24-26 July.  (Yes, I plan to bring  some silicone valve cover 
gaskets.)   I may has a stop in Coventry.  I'm will be spending some 
time in London.  

I welcome any recommendations such as hotels, events, pubs, etc.

My schedule will likely get tight quickly, but I want to make the best 
of my time while there.

--Justin Wagner
jmwagnersales.com


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Thu Jun 18 06:51:38 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these
 problems?
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906180551v6937fb4fg1baacb874d512313@mail.gmail.com>

Ed:  Just noticed that you had asked a question!

I believe you're correct about it dropping out of OD as Susan was
coming out of one of the corners and yes the car was running very well
at the time.

We now have a new billet crank to put in her next engine so between
the billet rods she is currently running and the new billet crank I'm
hoping the bottom end will be bullet proof.  We'll see.....!

Brad



On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:55 AM, EDWARD

- Hide quoted text -
BARNARD<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these
> problems?
> To: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM
>
> Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan
> break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were
> that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of
> the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If
> memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the
> mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened
> Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad?


From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 07:38:58 2009
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <191197.50873.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ed Diehl


--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing
> To: "'robert bownes'" <bownes at seiri.com>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:23 PM
> Check your local private aviation
> airport for someone who restores parachute
> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of robert bownes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
> 
> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least
> one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 18 20:18:37 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:18:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
Message-ID: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT 

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040 under. 

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but I think 

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods. 

Any advice for the conversion ? 



Again, thankfull for your advice, 



Jim G. 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 18 22:12:41 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:12:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


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Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 18 22:59:13 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:59:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
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Message-ID: <2011235376.4049001245387553388.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IB  welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 19 07:21:20 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:21:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <891433.69228.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <393759269.4077441245417680551.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's a tr4



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:30:33 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing


Jim: Are we talking a TR2-4 motor, Spit motor, or TR6 motor?
Thanks - Ed

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
wrote:



From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:59 PM


Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IBB  welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




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From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com >
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net , "fot" < fot at autox.team.net >
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 19 07:57:29 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:57:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040ECFB4BE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <308614840.4086241245419849988.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob,

I'm running the same plumbing arrangement. I built an over ride to the
electric valve that controls the sump

so I can manually control the oil sump when I want to. It's really odd that #
3 was the only cylinder affected.

Whatever it was took out the piston too, maybe the liner as well.



I may try my spare crank this time. I just wonder if there is something in the
crank oil passages that

just won't flush out.



jg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kramer" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:40:03 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Do you have the accusump plumbing routed properly? Could the pressure be
bumping up against the pump flow, an inline check valve or a remote filter? I
have it plumbed to dump into the center of the oil galley. I drilled out the
plug to take an AN8 or AN10/pipe thread adapter. Between that and normal oil
passageway problems it should be fine. I've been running wet liners since 1996
and haven't struggled with oiling issues.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:21 AM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

It's a tr4



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:30:33 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing


Jim: Are we talking a TR2-4 motor, Spit motor, or TR6 motor?
Thanks - Ed

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
wrote:



From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:59 PM


Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IBB B welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com >
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net , "fot" < fot at autox.team.net >
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


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Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Jun 19 13:44:32 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:44:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
Message-ID: <4A3BEAA0.5040501@cfl.rr.com>

For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?

thxx,
Bob


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 19 15:25:51 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:25:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
Message-ID: <15211366.1245446751311.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875 

Total Rotate Recip 
664 / 480 / 184



-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>
>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>
>thxx,
>Bob
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From dtalbott at archrepro.com  Fri Jun 19 17:17:54 2009
From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
References: <15211366.1245446751311.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3EC80C5B1E8C4D87A2ECDB95CD9E0078@LatitudeD530>

Make sure you know which generation of Carrillo's, as I believe they have 
produced at least two styles for the tractor motors.  I have an older set 
that is:

Total:                719
Rotating:           523
Reciprocating:   196

DT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods


>4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875
>
> Total Rotate Recip
> 664 / 480 / 184
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>>
>>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>>
>>thxx,
>>Bob
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Fri Jun 19 21:05:51 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:05:51 EDT
Subject: [Fot] List check
Message-ID: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>

Hey folks,
   This is a call out to see if I've been missing anything. I haven't 
recieved any mail from the list in a while and I did recieve a forwarded message 
the other day. I hope all is well. I'm making steady progress on my TR3 
racecar and have begun the reassembly from a complete tear down. 
   Regards from Santa Cruz,
    Dave H.


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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jun 19 21:26:58 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] List check
In-Reply-To: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>
References: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <37610804B71F4763B3FAC79A53C0182B@joepentiumnew>

Dave,
You have missed a very large discussion about how it appears to be only the
AOL users who are not getting email.

My suggestion is to setup a free hotmail account and re-register to receive
your list mail there.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:06 PM
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Subject: [Fot] List check

Hey folks,
   This is a call out to see if I've been missing anything. I haven't 
recieved any mail from the list in a while and I did recieve a forwarded
message 
the other day. I hope all is well. I'm making steady progress on my TR3 
racecar and have begun the reassembly from a complete tear down. 
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 21 06:45:46 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:45:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
In-Reply-To: <3EC80C5B1E8C4D87A2ECDB95CD9E0078@LatitudeD530>
Message-ID: <1573598104.4255681245588346009.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FWIW, my experience with carillo is not very good.B  I would offer Pauter Rods
as an alternative to carillo (I have no connection to Pauter).B  Carillo
admitted to me that they weigh total and big end and then subtract and report
small end weight of rods.B  If anyone is interested contact me off line.

Ron K.

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Talbott" <dtalbott at archrepro.com>
To: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>, "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>, "Friends
of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:17:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods

Make sure you know which generation of Carrillo's, as I believe they have
produced at least two styles for the tractor motors. B I have an older set
that is:

Total: B  B  B  B  B  B  B  B 719
Rotating: B  B  B  B  B  523
Reciprocating: B  196

DT

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From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods


>4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875
>
> Total Rotate Recip
> 664 / 480 / 184
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>>
>>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>>
>>thxx,
>>Bob
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jun 22 07:22:15 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT - diesel tractor over heating issues
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I know this is supposed to be about Triumph race cars but I need
help.  The obligatory Triumph content is if I have to work on this
tractor I won't be able to work on Susan's race motor.

While mowing with our small Ford 1700 tractor yesterday it all of a
sudden coughed, emitted a large amount of black sooty exhaust and
died.  Upon inspection it was found that it was low on coolant.
Refilled the radiator and started it up.  It ran for a little while
and then did the same thing.  Upon even closer inspection we found
that the temp gauge was registering "cold" yet there was little or no
coolant in the radiator.  It would seem that the temperature sensor
apparently reads ok when its not immersed in coolant.  The gauge is
working because after we filled it and ran it the temperature gauge
registered ok.

So I refilled the radiator again, left the cap off and cranked the
engine over.  As it was cranking there obvious bubbles coming from the
radiator filler opening in time with the cranking of the engine.  To
me this would be a strong indication that the problem is either a
blown head gasket or a cracked head.  Unless someone can point me in a
different direction it appears my next step is to pull the head to
check things out.   Oh yeah, didn't notice any coolant in the oil
either.

Any thoughts?!

Thanks,

Brad


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jun 22 10:32:33 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT - diesel tractor over heating issues
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906220932t2edc825cm5a846bf157532249@mail.gmail.com>

Well as I pretty much expected the concensus seems to be the head
gasket or head.  Weather and time permitting I'll be pulling the head
tonight to get a better idea of what happened.  I did stop by the
local New Holland dealer and picked up a new head gasket.  Total for
just the head gasket was $121.  As the parts counter guy told me,
treat it with care, its made of gold........

Thanks for all the replies.

Brad


From smnck at kansas.net  Mon Jun 22 13:30:48 2009
From: smnck at kansas.net (smnck)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001401c9f36f$f2b24aa0$d816dfe0$@net>

Our email address is HYPERLINK "mailto:smnck at kansas.net"smnck at kansas.net.
We were nominated by Rocky Entriken.

 

Thanks!

 

Dennis & Nancy Smith 

Concordia, KS

1965 Triumph Spitfire


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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 22 15:08:42 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Video from Hockenheim race
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAJNephpyu0BOsOBZcRgvgBkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I'm not sure if this link does work but there is a chance:

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5350257132069819330

This is from the last weekend. New engine, lighter body.

A massive driving error did cause some fun on my side.

Cheers
Chris


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jun 22 18:35:50 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
Message-ID: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
"57 TR3 on the way back to the track"


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jun 22 19:02:28 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hauling 2 TR4's cross country
References: <798194804.4673731245199770675.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <29F2A41EE595492E8CF7A64E97E70167@hp532n>

Does anyone have any experience with what size trailer is the minimum that 
would work for hauling 2 TR4's cross country? I have a 2500HD Sierra so I'm 
hoping I can figure out and borrow an appropriate trailer.

Bob Kramer 


From Dlhogye at aol.com  Mon Jun 22 19:40:13 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:40:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] new email address for a FoT
Message-ID: <cf6.58036435.37718c7d@aol.com>

Ok, I'm changing my email address from aol to comcast for my FoT list 
contact. I hope that I don't miss anything else. The new address is 
dlhogye at comcast.net.

   Thanks,
    Dave Hogye


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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 07:24:24 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:24:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <913761907.4901131245762994936.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <45382720.4903111245763464582.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Now if that wasn't perfect timing.

Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:35:50 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] TR rods

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping B for new rods. B I came
across B Ireland B Racing on B the B west coast. Primarily supplying
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
"57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun 23 09:00:56 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>

Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
That's a price we can afford!!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] TR rods

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
"57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 23 09:30:07 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
References: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com> <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906231129460.27879@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Tim Murphy wrote:

> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
> That's a price we can afford!!

http://www.bmw2002.com/

> Tim

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jun 23 09:52:08 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
Message-ID: <20090623155208.IPYLV.191455.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

www.bmw2002.com



---- Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote: 
> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
> That's a price we can afford!!
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] TR rods
> 
> All,
> 
> NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
> across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
> performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
> says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
> and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
> 578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
> same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
> the car back together for at least 18 months.
> 
> Bob
> "57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 23 12:56:30 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>

Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to many 
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines at 
the moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near Grand 
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar) for 
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region, 
involved in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car Club 
at the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group of 
my friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began 
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so 
little -- and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him handily. 
Then we graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual 
friend who lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become 
this Spitfire guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the parking 
lots of KU those many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since then 
he's become my engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when I 
need help.

--Rocky Entriken 


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 23 13:03:03 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
In-Reply-To: <1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
	<1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304891@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Second!

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:57 PM
To: .Triumph List
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey

Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to
many
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines
at
the moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near
Grand
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar)
for
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region,
involved in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car
Club
at the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group
of
my friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so
little -- and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him
handily.
Then we graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual
friend who lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become

this Spitfire guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the
parking
lots of KU those many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since
then
he's become my engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when
I
need help.

--Rocky Entriken
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 23 13:04:12 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
Message-ID: <665117.25756.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Second; we can always use more Spit racers.
 
Welcome Duane.
 
Ernie

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:



Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to many
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines at the
moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near Grand
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar) for
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region, involved
in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car Club at
the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group of my
friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so little --
and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him handily. Then we
graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual friend who
lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become this Spitfire
guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the parking lots of KU those
many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since then he's become my
engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when I need help.

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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 23:42:44 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
Message-ID: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>

I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
Jim

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]


From dave at microworks.net  Wed Jun 24 00:21:21 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <20090624062351.5565C18A452@autox.team.net>

If your just looking to run the car "fast" have you considered 
running in a NASA DE group to augment the actual races.  Would still 
give you plenty of seat time so that your not "too" rusty when you do 
go out for an actual race.

At 10:42 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
>I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
>originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
>races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
>apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
>two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
>with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
>I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
>warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
>vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>Jim
>
>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef 
>which had a name of winmail.dat]
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 07:33:43 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <000101c9f47a$26a49ec0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <49340101.5198791245850423462.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 24 07:42:02 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <7DEE0F92-C319-46F3-AB5E-BBE6BE6C4806@bnj.com>

Most vintage organizations do licensing, and it's not expensive. For  
that matter SCCA has an inexpensive vintage license that works  
everywhere.  SCCA vintage grids would definately include your car, as  
would all the northern cal races I can think of except Monterey and  
perhaps wine country.

On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:42 PM, jim hearn wrote:

> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that  
> was
> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local  
> vintage
> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing  
> license but
> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense  
> for one or
> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in  
> vintage races
> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that  
> currently.
> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete  
> enough to
> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that  
> sort of
> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any  
> ideas.
> Jim
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef  
> which had a name of winmail.dat]
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:17:03 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304907@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's not drilled yet but it will be this time. Any idea what size to drill it
out to ?



jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:49:00 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Is the oil passage to the center main enlarged? B It's got to feed two
rods, whereas the end mains feed only one.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post
from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a
TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:19:56 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:19:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <000601c9f4d6$90962ef0$b1c28cd0$@com>
Message-ID: <942739365.5210561245853196252.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Tim,

They don't list them on the website. I called the owner, ( Jeff ) directly and
told him what I needed.



Jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:17:52 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,
B B B B B B B B Would you please send me the part number of the Ireland
Engineering
H-beam rods for the TR4 if you have it? B I'm interested in upgrading from
our stock, balanced rods. B At that price I can afford it. B Can't afford the
Carrillo rods.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun 24 08:24:31 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:24:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
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	ville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I took mine up 1/16" from whatever diameter is was to start with.

Jack's note on this is: "Be careful not to drill too deep, and 
remember that when the holes intersect, the drill will catch and try 
to break your wrist."

- Tony Drews

At 09:17 AM 6/24/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
>It's not drilled yet but it will be this time. Any idea what size to drill it
>out to ?
>
>
>
>jim g
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:49:00 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>Mazatlan
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Is the oil passage to the center main enlarged? B It's got to feed two
>rods, whereas the end mains feed only one.
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
>To: Greg & Alison Blake
>Cc: fot
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Greg,
>
>I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post
>from
>Ireland Engineering.
>
>They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.
>
>I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
>contaminant in an oil passage.
>
>
>
>
>
>jim g
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
>To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>Mazatlan
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Jim,
>
>Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a
>TR3
>motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
>complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
>up the rod as you suggest.
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
>To: fot
>Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Greetings FoT
>
>I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
>under.
>
>It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
>but I think
>
>it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.
>
>Any advice for the conversion ?
>
>
>
>Again, thankfull for your advice,
>
>
>
>Jim G.
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Jun 24 08:46:19 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
References: <20090623155208.IPYLV.191455.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>
Message-ID: <005801c9f4da$8953ace0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Speak to Jeff  (Jeff Ireland).  He is a VARA Board Member and a long time 
racer.  His shop is perhaps 1 mile from mine.  I know he has been selling 
Rods for various applications but, really don't know their pedigree.  But, 
has had them for several years now...



Mordy

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "'Friends of Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <rpm724 at att.net>; <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR rods


> www.bmw2002.com
>
>
>
> ---- Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:
>> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
>> That's a price we can afford!!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Bob
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
>> To: Friends of Triumph
>> Subject: [Fot] TR rods
>>
>> All,
>>
>> NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came
>> across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying
>> performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He
>> says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers
>> and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of
>> 578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the
>> same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have
>> the car back together for at least 18 months.
>>
>> Bob
>> "57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:53:27 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:53:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <1156618541.5367791245854501007.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1269491887.5373361245855207409.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Jim,

Has Kas given any input on this?B  The problem with tractor motors is the 3
main bearing design.B  The center main has to supply oil to the #2 and #3 rod
bearings.B  On Spitfire engines I open up the Center main holes to the rods
and the entrance hole to allow more oil flow out to the rods.B  RPM and main
bearing diameterB areB two of the major factors that influence oil flow
(centrifical force).B  Rod bearing diametral and side clearance are the major
factors controling oil retention/flow at the rod journals.B  I would suspect
excess side clearance as a root cause of your failure if #2 bearing was not
showing signs of bearing distress.

Ron K

ReK Racing

----- Original Message -----
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:33:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.

jim g


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 13:07:33 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
Message-ID: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Has anyone else had problems with FoT mail ? Mark Eden hasn't recieved any in a week. 


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 13:32:19 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] test email
Message-ID: <357A972FC5A6411486F33E55B187420A@Bud>

TEST


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 14:42:11 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:42:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <4D3469F27EA74C4E9DB4B918951CBEA3@Bud>
Message-ID: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Is the problem with AOL users ? 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> 
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:33:14 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail 

i just sent a test email to FOT...it came thru to me fine 
Racer Bud 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> 
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "E, Mark" <EDENMA at aol.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:07 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail 


> Has anyone else had problems with FoT mail ? Mark Eden hasn't recieved any 
> in a week. 
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Wed Jun 24 14:56:30 2009
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.c
	omcast.net>
References: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

On Wed, June 24, 2009 4:42 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> Is the problem with AOL users ?

Yup, Mark E.  seems to have an AOL address.
Same problem that's been going around.

Just say no....
John


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 24 15:03:24 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <1AB67602B8ED449A90F19154EC9B2ED0@joepentiumnew>

One would think that AOL Users would finally get another Email service after
all the continuous problems that have surrounded AOL through the years.  

You can keep AOL and switch to one of the free EMAIL services (like Hotmail)
for the List activities.

Seems simple enough.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rjl6n at cstone.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:57 PM
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail

On Wed, June 24, 2009 4:42 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> Is the problem with AOL users ?

Yup, Mark E.  seems to have an AOL address.
Same problem that's been going around.

Just say no....
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 24 15:19:26 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:19:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Video from Hockenheim race
In-Reply-To: <1BE11C8293A94027B27E43C995059D88@KasPC>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAJNephpyu0BOsOBZcRgvgBkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
	<1BE11C8293A94027B27E43C995059D88@KasPC>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAALHYKKXKY05HuVvy+EWDIPEBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Photos:

http://www.triumph-competition.de/fotos/aktuell/30


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 20:23:47 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 figure 8 gaskets
Message-ID: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>

Standard steel figure 8s are 15 thou thick.
I got some copper ones from Dave at TRF that I would like to use but they are
19 thou.
Are they thicker because they will crush?
Without the figure 8s my liners are all depressed 11 thou so I don't have any
measurement issues.
Bruce


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 24 21:27:12 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4A42EE90.6000903@bradakis.com>

There may be a few folks on this list that know I've been providing
Team.Net services in one form or another for over 20 years.  At one
point I actually did the math, as they say.  AOL people were something
like a mere 5.6% of the total subscribers, but they were generating
about 29% of the total number of error messages I had to waste my
time processing.

Some things never change.

mjb.


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 24 21:52:56 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 figure 8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>
References: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <14977AC9-8CEF-4BDC-A810-7EE4424ACAA0@bnj.com>

No the copper will not compress. It can deform more easily to  
accommodate a burr or other irregularity, but it won't compress at all.
On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Stutzman wrote:

> Standard steel figure 8s are 15 thou thick.
> I got some copper ones from Dave at TRF that I would like to use but  
> they are
> 19 thou.
> Are they thicker because they will crush?
> Without the figure 8s my liners are all depressed 11 thou so I don't  
> have any
> measurement issues.
> Bruce
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From britbits at netzero.com  Wed Jun 24 21:53:20 2009
From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
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References: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4A42EE90.6000903@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <021f01c9f548$8f938530$23731342@jrg>

What do you expect from America Off Line?


Cheers,

Jim
Dallas 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:27 PM
To: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail

There may be a few folks on this list that know I've been providing Team.Net
services in one form or another for over 20 years.  At one point I actually
did the math, as they say.  AOL people were something like a mere 5.6% of
the total subscribers, but they were generating about 29% of the total
number of error messages I had to waste my time processing.

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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jun 25 08:58:14 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

 

Just my thoughts,

 

Tim


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jun 25 09:36:28 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:36:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Bernie does not like it if someone else makes money on a Grand Prix. He
is like Daffy Duck, It's mine, ALL MINE! 
There was almost no one at the Phoenix, USGPs in 89 -91, and no one
seemed to care, other than the city. I'm sure they wanted more people. It
is broadcast to the world, that's where the money is, anyway.
Throwing aside your history and heritage by doing away with Silverstone
is inexcusable.
Bill
 
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:14 -0500 "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
writes:
> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should 
> take the
> hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, 
> Silverstone had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for 
> the race
> and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off 
> the
> schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the 
> North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North 
> Americans don't
> take kindly to extortion.
> 
>  
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> 
>  
> 
> Tim
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 09:45:44 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:45:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
Message-ID: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B 

Just my thoughts,

B 

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 09:57:46 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251155070.5333@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, William G Rosenbach wrote:

> Bernie does not like it if someone else makes money on a Grand Prix. He
> is like Daffy Duck, It's mine, ALL MINE!

No argument.

Plus he's short. Can you say Napoleon?

> There was almost no one at the Phoenix, USGPs in 89 -91, and no one
> seemed to care, other than the city. I'm sure they wanted more people. It
> is broadcast to the world, that's where the money is, anyway.

I went to Phoenix in 90 and 91. I thought it was awesome. There was nobody 
there, and you could get fairly good track access for qualifying on FRI.

The races were actually pretty good too. I was sad to see that race go, I 
would have gone again and again. Oh well.

> Throwing aside your history and heritage by doing away with Silverstone
> is inexcusable.

Totally agreed.

> Bill

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 25 09:58:49 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:58:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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I suppose the reason for no race at Silverstone is, that the track won't like
any more F1 races.
Same at Hockenheim. They are on the schedule for 2010 and said - NO. Too
expensive to host a F1 race.
Each F1 on a German track does cost the track 6.000.000 b,. More than these
track companies can afford and the little racers like me has to pay for.
I don't like to pay the F1 racers to have their fun with my entry fee.

So from my part, I don't care about "no F1 races in Germany" in short future.
I'm more keen on sports car races anyway.

Cheers
Chris

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An: Tim Murphy
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At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B

Just my thoughts,

B

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:00:20 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:00:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money for 
charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
Racer Bud..
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> At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
> Bernie's
>
> bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a 
> race
>
> in the UK or North America.
>
> Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in 
> Turkey
>
> or Spain than the UK or North America ?
>
> No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.
>
> I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get 
> to
> replace
>
> the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?
>
> Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship
>
> Bernie & Max just need to run away together.
>
>
>
> jim g.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take 
> the
> hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone 
> had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the 
> race
> and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
> schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans 
> don't
> take kindly to extortion.
>
> B
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> B
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 25 10:04:35 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:04:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Oh, there will definitely be a Formula 1 race in Britain next year.  The
Donnington Park facility is being renovated per Bernie's specifications for
that purpose.

The hitch in the plan is that it is way behind schedule leaving many to
speculate that it won't be ready in time.  So Silverstone might be hosting
just one more F1 race.

The UK is just too big of a money maker for Bernie to leave it out of the
schedule.  Silverstone is owned by the British Driver's club so Bernie can't
get his grubby fists around as much of the proceeds as he would like.

Joe C.

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To: Tim Murphy
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Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in
Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






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To: fot at autox.team.net
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Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone
had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the
race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B 

Just my thoughts,

B 

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:05:16 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:05:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Remember what F1 did to the fans at Indy?.....the tire B.S. a few years 
ago...No 'legal tires' available, so instead of making an emergency rule 
change for the fans......The people who traveled thousands of miles to see a 
race got to see 5 or 6 cars touring around...It was disgusting...
Racer Bud
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should take the
> hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone 
> had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for the 
> race
> and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off the
> schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans 
> don't
> take kindly to extortion.
>
>
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
>
>
> Tim
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:10:52 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:

> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money for 
> charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...

Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.

They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
"clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.

Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.

Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?

That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
club track.

Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.

> Racer Bud..

Have a nice day!
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:12:35 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:

> Remember what F1 did to the fans at Indy?.....the tire B.S. a few years 
> ago...No 'legal tires' available, so instead of making an emergency rule 
> change for the fans......The people who traveled thousands of miles to see a 
> race got to see 5 or 6 cars touring around...It was disgusting...

So was the US fans tossing beer at the track. Which, I might ad is a 
common occurrance at NASCAR events.

It goes both ways and was embarrasing at many levels.

> Racer Bud

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:35:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Robert Lang..It appears that you are ADDING to my text, rather than 
commenting on/responding to it...i'm sure that is inadvertent, but it sends 
a misrepresentation of my message...
thanks
Racer Bud
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:
>
>> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
>> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
>> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
>
> Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.
>
> They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.
>
> Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.
>
> Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?
>
> That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> club track.
>
> Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.
>
>> Racer Bud..
>
> Have a nice day!
> rml
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:45:40 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] f1...Nascar Helps Us Race
Message-ID: <E6DDBB35A03645D582B6F9367BCACB53@Bud>

Another comment about NASCAR......and Road courses.....In northern Ca......we
would not have Infineon(Sears Point) if it were not for NASCAR..The track
struggled for years and years until  Bruton. Bmith bought it and invested many
millions in it to make it desirable to NASCAR..With NASCAR as a foundation,
the track can continue to operate...hosting.... SCCA....CSRG...HSR WEST(begins
this year)...GeneralRacing.....NASA.....NHRA...RUSSELL RACING.....PORSCHE
CLUB....BMW CLUB....KARTING......BICYCLE RACING....and countless other
groups....
Racer Bud


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Jun 25 11:05:19 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:05:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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If I read the story correctly there will still be spending caps, which none of
the top teams want, and there will be technology sharing.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

F1 has now taken a big step down the slippery slope of spec racing.  Joy, more
IRL cars.  And about as exciting as a FF race.

The heart and soul of Formula One is technical innovation.  It's not giving
your secrets to the other guy to "even the playing field".

The constructors should have stuck to their guns.

Terry Stetler

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Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B

Just my thoughts,

B

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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 25 11:36:55 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:36:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Terry,
There is no budget cap.  The agreement is that the teams have 2 years to get
their spending down to the levels that were in effect in the early 1990's.
That said, It is not clear if the figures will be adjusted for inflation or
the actual Dollars that were spent.  If it is actual dollars, the spending
will definitely be severely restricted.

The win for the teams is that they have a set of rules that applies to all
teams and is for the most part stationary.  So they will not have to scrap
the current car and start all over for the next season's rule set.  This
will allow them to fix the deficiencies of the previous year rather than
start with a clean sheet of paper.  That in itself will save a lot of
development time and money.

True, they didn't get everything they wanted but that is the way
negotiations go.  You strive for a Win-Win situation and each party has to
drop some of its demands in order to reach consensus.

I for one am pleased that the sanctity (if not the sanity) of F1 remains in
place.

Cheers,
Joe C.

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Behalf Of Terry Stetler
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:05 AM
To: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

If I read the story correctly there will still be spending caps, which none
of
the top teams want, and there will be technology sharing.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

F1 has now taken a big step down the slippery slope of spec racing.  Joy,
more
IRL cars.  And about as exciting as a FF race.

The heart and soul of Formula One is technical innovation.  It's not giving
your secrets to the other guy to "even the playing field".

The constructors should have stuck to their guns.

Terry Stetler


From sm1ski at dslextreme.com  Thu Jun 25 12:03:53 2009
From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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add the story of Pikes Peak International Raceway to the mix of tracks (with 
road courses) that were shunted aside because of NASCAR manipulations.

mike kowalski
FP spit
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Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:
>
>> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
>> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
>> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
>
> Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.
>
> They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.
>
> Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.
>
> Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?
>
> That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> club track.
>
> Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.
>
>> Racer Bud..
>
> Have a nice day!
> rml
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From westerneagleracing at att.net  Thu Jun 25 13:57:34 2009
From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:57:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
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Mike,
PPIR has a new owner and is running club events.
Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from "michael a kowalski" <sm1ski at dslextreme.com>: -------------- 


> add the story of Pikes Peak International Raceway to the mix of tracks (with 
> road courses) that were shunted aside because of NASCAR manipulations. 
> 
> mike kowalski 
> FP spit 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Lang" 
> To: "RACER BUD" 
> Cc: "fot" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:10 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first 
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote: 
> > 
> >> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
> >> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
> >> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans... 
> > 
> > Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money. 
> > 
> > They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> > "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon. 
> > 
> > Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> > they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> > point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> > of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> > concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> > clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> > other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> > but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> > parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> > they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> > country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E. 
> > 
> > Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> > employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"? 
> > 
> > That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> > with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> > club track. 
> > 
> > Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> > good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> > lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham. 
> > 
> >> Racer Bud.. 
> > 
> > Have a nice day! 
> > rml 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 16:46:13 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
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Message-ID: <226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>

Hi Gang.....Out here in High Priced California.....We lose small tracks on a 
regular basis because of property values...We were about to lose stockton 99 
and Petaluma Speedway to development when the real estate market crashed and 
they were spared....
In an area like this, WE NEED NASCAR MONEY to make race tracks 
feasible...NASCAR is not just about the sprint Cup...It's about the grass 
roots oval tracks...I've been a road racer for 41 years...I've loved oval 
track the whole time too, and to me, it's sure more fun to watch...Racing is 
Racing..it's about 'Balls To The Wall' Stuff....Nascar has a huge fan 
base....they are obviously doing things correctly.
 One type of racing is not any better than another...we have our favorites, 
that's all....
Racer Bud..........


From adams910 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 20:08:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:08:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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	<226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>
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Nascar saved Watkins Glen.

Bob


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 25 20:20:22 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.co
  m>
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Message-ID: <20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>

Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of all 
of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.

I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and 
European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and 
dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.

I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look 
down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.  It's 
ALL racing.

I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing series.

- Tony Drews


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 20:23:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: NASCAR AT INFINEON
Message-ID: <F6B180A1AF7C48DEBA1EA4BD4E80183C@Bud>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: NASCAR AT INFINEON


Here we are Gang.....JIMMY 'THE MARS MAN 'HARRIS....RACER
BUD...and....SHANNON..'UNLIMITED SPIRIT SCHMIDT', Havn' an obviously
...Woooohooo..FUN Time at NASCAR...GO BABY GO!
Racer Bu7d
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs106.snc1/5054_1081775650003_13
94673455_30212169_1178344_n.jpg


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jun 25 21:16:12 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:16:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako><062520091957.16306.4A43D6AE000B218800003FB222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net><226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud><673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>

I've always held the opinion that any race with two (or more) cars in close 
competition with each other is a good race, whether it lasts 24 hours or 4 
seconds.

To drive, I'll choose road racing. And autocross.

To watch, I'll choose ... what's on?

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of all of 
> them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and 
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and dirt). 
> Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look down 
> their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.  It's ALL 
> racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing 
> series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________


From Dlhogye at aol.com  Thu Jun 25 22:00:15 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:00:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hello Listers
Message-ID: <c5f.55ca1408.3775a1cf@aol.com>

   Hello Listers, 'said in a very sad voice.'
   I've been trying without satisfactory results to rectify the problem I'm 
having with receiving list email through aol. I've started a new address 
with comcast for my list email only for now. But I may have foiled my first 
attempt at the subscription process. I'm not sure what I may have done. 
Perhaps I should be sending this message through my comcast address, but I haven't 
recieved any list mail with that address either, so I don't think I'm 
hooked up yet. I'm bummed that I've been missing out on FoT communications. I 
hope that I get it worked out soon. I miss you guys, sniff.

   Dave H.


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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 25 23:41:29 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:41:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Amen, tony.

As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any  
insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and  
NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In  
business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting  
someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping  
someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all  
anyone has time or focus for.

For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some  
stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.


On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of  
> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and  
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and  
> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing  
> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.   
> It's ALL racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"  
> racing series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jun 26 06:01:50 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:01:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako><062520091957.16306.4A43D6AE000B218800003FB222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net><226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud><673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.com>
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	<7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W10851E42AE92BF63D0ED190350@phx.gbl>

Not all racing is created equal.  To love all racing is to ignore all the
politics of it.  I've always hated the IRL because of how the situation with
CART (which I liked)went down and their desire to eliminate all the road
courses.  I'm apparently not alone because lots of die hard Indy 500 fans
decided to mow their lawns instead of watch the race when the IRL took over.



My son Connor and I drove our Elva Courier at the local Porsche club autocross
this last weekend.  He's the third generation of Morrison's to drive it.  That
was fun.......................Cheers Henry

> From: rocky at spitfire4.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:16:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> I've always held the opinion that any race with two (or more) cars in close
> competition with each other is a good race, whether it lasts 24 hours or 4
> seconds.
>
> To drive, I'll choose road racing. And autocross.
>
> To watch, I'll choose ... what's on?
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
>
> > Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series. There are fans of all of
> > them on this forum. They all have their good and bad points.
> >
> > I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan. I also like IRL, Aussie and
> > European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and dirt).
> > Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
> >
> > I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look down
> > their nose at others who like a different kind of racing. It's ALL
> > racing.
> >
> > I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing
> > series.
> >
> > - Tony Drews
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun 26 06:29:37 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.>>

Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.



----- Original Message -----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Amen, tony.

As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any  
insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and  
NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In  
business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting  
someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping  
someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all  
anyone has time or focus for.

For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some  
stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.


On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of  
> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and  
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and  
> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing  
> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.   
> It's ALL racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"  
> racing series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 26 06:48:11 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:48:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <338658.82554.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I'll be plugged into Vs. and the offical website for updates.  Very
interesting route this year.

--- On Fri, 6/26/09, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:



<<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes
fast.>>

Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jun 26 07:00:42 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:00:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] The Glenwood report
Message-ID: <BLU116-W12569C0506BA45196C6B5090350@phx.gbl>

I know many of you have been waiting with baited breath to find out how the
TR6 and TR7 Dolly Sprint faired at this year's Glenwood Springs Rally.  The
Dolly Sprint left town without passing the emissions test and getting a
license plate so I went to my big stack of plates, picked out one from Belgium
and we headed out.  Immediately I noticed that the just rebuilt alternator was
not putting out so by Santa Fe the battery was dead.  Additionally the car was
running on two, three or four cylinders depending on the mood of the gods of
conductivity.  We limped along this way all the way to Denver with the
alternator occasionally working and various brackets breaking and loosing
bolts along the way.  A couple of overpriced glasses of wine at dinner even
had the Bride talking to me again.



Friday morning, in an act of desperation, I went to Sportscar Craftsmen in
Denver 45 minutes before the Rally for a tune up.  They have a really cool
shop if you're ever in Denver check it out.  They replaced some wires,
brackets and tightened up the license plate that was starting to fall off, and
got the car briefly back on four cylinders so away we went.  We did not win
the rallye.  My Bride and #1 son ran the TR6 down on fuel to where the crap
still left in the gas tank shut the car down 'til I could get there and
perform a little mouth to tank resusitation.  The TR6 didn't win the rally
either.



Somewhere along the next two days I figured out the coil wire ran about two
inches where it contacted the fire wall andmust have been shorting because a
tie wrap to a nearby radiator hose made the car run on four cylinders except
when climbing the steepest hills.



#2 son and Bride decided the pool was going to be more fun than the tour so #1
son and I ran the tour in the TR6. I think we only missed one question but
still we didn't place in the tour. I guess we should have worked a little
harder on the extra credit questions on BMC color schemes and differences in
badge engineering.



I thought after last year, when there was one car in the "Triumphs Other"
category, that our 50-50 paint job on the TR7 would be good enough for a
prize.  Not to be.  It must have been year of the wedge cause there was
another really nice 7, 8 and the most beautiful late model Spitfire on the
planet (who restores one of those?).



The trip home was fairly uneventful even though the charging system in the 7
had completely shut down.

We just played musical batteries with the TR6 that was performing brilliantly
even with near zero oil pressure at idle.  The TR7 would last about 5 hours on
a battery so we only had to switch twice on the journey back to Albuquerque.



The trip also included a pretty good tour of the French Restauraunts of
Central Colorado, whose expense began to rival the parts and repair bills of
the Leyland cars.  If you ever frequent Hesperus, Colorado, do not miss the
Kennebec Cafe.  Tres bien.



Back in Albuquerque, Cylinder #1 on the 7 had completely gone Winchester so I
switched out the new style distributor cap with a new original style cap and
the car ran perfectly, after 1500 miles of not so perfect performance.



My Bride would like to add at this point how much she enjoyed the feel and
performance of Leyland's new IRS rear suspension on the TR6 and the way only
two people were required to quickly and easily roll up the windows.  She
became entranced by the streamlined beauty offered by Triumph's TR7 and amazed
by how simply jumper cables could be deployed to escape from any convenience
store predicament.



Cheers,  Henry, Chris, Connor and Jake Morrison.  Cedar Crest, New Mexico


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jun 26 09:38:32 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <F696496E-76BE-4396-AA6D-3797985225C5@charter.net>

Sailboat racing too.
On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> <<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it  
> goes fast.>>
>
> Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are  
> nuts.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Amen, tony.
>
> As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any
> insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and
> NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In
> business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting
> someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping
> someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all
> anyone has time or focus for.
>
> For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some
> stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of
>> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>>
>> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and
>> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and
>> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>>
>> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing
>> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.
>> It's ALL racing.
>>
>> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"
>> racing series.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 10:16:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:16:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <60E53062994C47CEBE3412954B3B4B94@Bud>

The cycling is wild stuff..downhill especially....2 tiny patches of 
adhesion...feet cleated to the pedals....and then there's the pace 
line....5-6" apart doing 25 mph...in a pack...the bikes in the center can 
get a 20% advantage
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <billb at bnj.com>; <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> <<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes 
> fast.>>
>
> Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Amen, tony.
>
> As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any
> insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and
> NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In
> business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting
> someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping
> someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all
> anyone has time or focus for.
>
> For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some
> stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of
>> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>>
>> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and
>> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and
>> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>>
>> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing
>> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.
>> It's ALL racing.
>>
>> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"
>> racing series.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 26 11:44:57 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <OFFE936BFE.1E5A9713-ON852575E1.004F58A6-852575E1.004FB022@dcx.dcx>
References: <OFFE936BFE.1E5A9713-ON852575E1.004F58A6-852575E1.004FB022@dcx.dcx>
Message-ID: <001b01c9f685$d2884900$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi

I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.

deweerdm at rogers.com


Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
[mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] 
Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul MacDonald
Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph


Paul

Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
Mike late in April/09 see below.

I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.

Thanks,Peter


Peter Bulkowski

----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----
                                                                           
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             AM                                                         cc 
                                                                           
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                                       Friends of Triumph                  
                                                                
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                        




                                                                            
 Hi Peter                                                                   
 It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the         
 festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to   
 Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an  
 existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's 
 house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you   
 can sign me up??                                                           
 Thanks                                                                     
 Cheers Mike                                                                


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jun 26 11:47:46 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <001b01c9f685$d2884900$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <OFFE936BFE.1E5A9713-ON852575E1.004F58A6-852575E1.004FB022@dcx.dcx>
	<001b01c9f685$d2884900$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <e4af9ba72d275.4a4509c2@optonline.net>

Second.  Welcome Mike!

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul MacDonald 
Date: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
To: Fot 
Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca, deweerdm at rogers.com

> Hi
> 
> I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a 
> friend of Peter
> Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is 
> signed up for
> the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.
> 
> deweerdm at rogers.com
> 
> 
> Paul MacDonald
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
> [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] 
> Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: Paul MacDonald
> Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
> Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, 
> i meet
> Mike late in April/09 see below.
> 
> I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.
> 
> Thanks,Peter
> 
> 
> Peter Bulkowski
> 
> ----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 
> 10:26 AM -----
> 
> 
> deweerdm at rogers.c 
> 
> om 
> 
> 
> To 
> 06/26/2009 09:47 bulkowskip at mercedes-
> benz.ca 
> AM 
> cc 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject 
> Friends of Triumph 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Peter 
> 
> It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at 
> the 
> festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign 
> me up to 
> Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if 
> added by an 
> existing member, and I remember talking about this site with 
> you at Dino's 
> house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works 
> and if you 
> can sign me up?? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Cheers Mike 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 12:06:26 2009
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Yea! I'm back on the FoT list
Message-ID: <724140752.109681246039586515.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I've finally made it back on the list.B 


I've hiked through a desert and found the Oasis.
B 
Thanks,
B Dave H.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 26 12:57:55 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] VARA Vs HSR West
Message-ID: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I live in the Los Angeles area.  Out here there are two vintage organizations, VARA (the one I belong to), and HSR West.
I've compared the rule-books and web-sites, rules seem similar.  Have any of you run in both groups and if so, are there big differences between the two?
I am pleased with VARA overall and like their take on safety, no contact, competition, and car prep.

What do some of you think about these groups?

~Steve


From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Jun 26 17:38:45 2009
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:38:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
Message-ID: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>

I met Mike  at Mosport last weekend, good guy just gatting started. He will
benefit from our help. I second as well. Actually I was supposed to nominate
him earlier this week...


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca <peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca>;
deweerdm at rogers.com <deweerdm at rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph

Hi

I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.

deweerdm at rogers.com


Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
[mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca]
Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul MacDonald
Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph


Paul

Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
Mike late in April/09 see below.

I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.

Thanks,Peter


Peter Bulkowski

----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----

             deweerdm at rogers.c
             om
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             AM                                                         cc

                                                                   Subject
                                       Friends of Triumph











 Hi Peter
 It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the
 festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to
 Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an
 existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's
 house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you
 can sign me up??
 Thanks
 Cheers Mike
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From andre at gt6.ca  Fri Jun 26 17:56:15 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <4362ae390906261656i6d6fb174vfab30f919f6a88fd@mail.gmail.com>

He introduced himself at Mosport as well.

Nice guy. I look forward to running against in the future. :)

A.

2009/6/26 Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>:
> I met Mike  at Mosport last weekend, good guy just gatting started. He will
> benefit from our help. I second as well. Actually I was supposed to
nominate
> him earlier this week...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 PM
> To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca <peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca>;
> deweerdm at rogers.com <deweerdm at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
>
> Hi
>
> I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
> Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
> the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.
>
> deweerdm at rogers.com
>
>
> Paul MacDonald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
> [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca]
> Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: Paul MacDonald
> Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
> Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph
>
>
> Paul
>
> Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
> Mike late in April/09 see below.
>
> I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.
>
> Thanks,Peter
>
>
> Peter Bulkowski
>
> ----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----
>
>             deweerdm at rogers.c
>             om
>                                                                        To
>             06/26/2009 09:47          bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Friends of Triumph
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hi Peter
>  It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the
>  festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to
>  Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an
>  existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's
>  house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you
>  can sign me up??
>  Thanks
>  Cheers Mike
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



--
Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
'68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
'77 FIAT 124 Spider - http://www.124racer.com/
Ottawa, ON, Canada


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 26 22:02:56 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car
Message-ID: <000001c9f6dc$27a543b0$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Read the latest.

 

Paul

 

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508
<http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&hl> &hl=


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 23:11:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car
References: <000001c9f6dc$27a543b0$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <294B0391757F45D2BDFEBC364B1898E7@Bud>

Absolutely Beautiful!..thanks Paul..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul MacDonald" <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: "Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car


> Read the latest.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508
> <http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&hl> &hl=
> _______________________________________________
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Sat Jun 27 07:50:14 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:50:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA Vs HSR West
In-Reply-To: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CE59AD2-AB1D-4C00-B755-4BBFF83B9FD2@gmail.com>

Hi steve,

I run with both groups and both organizations are great. Vara has a  
lot more triumphs. I have never seen another TR at an HSR event. Maybe  
at this next one there will be more since vara has no event in June.  
You end up running with really fast cars in Hsr. In
one race there was a race I was going against a race built center  
seated lotus exige (who lapped me
so many times I lost track), and also a 400 hp chevy powered Devin who  
I would pass every corner only to have him roar by me in the straight.  
I finally beat him, but it was tough! If you are thinking of an hsr  
event I would do Phoenix, because that track is awesome. I am thinking  
about Phoenix in November.
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:57 AM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I live in the Los Angeles area.  Out here there are two vintage  
> organizations, VARA (the one I belong to), and HSR West.
> I've compared the rule-books and web-sites, rules seem similar.   
> Have any of you run in both groups and if so, are there big  
> differences between the two?
> I am pleased with VARA overall and like their take on safety, no  
> contact, competition, and car prep.
>
> What do some of you think about these groups?
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun 27 18:49:23 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 0:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4
In-Reply-To: <294B0391757F45D2BDFEBC364B1898E7@Bud>
Message-ID: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>

I just picked up a TR4 race car formerly raced by Dennis Shea in SVRA. It is a lighter blue and formerly raced with Gulf Oil stickers and paint scheme. The car went through the hands of Sheldon Peterson and Michael Warburton. All of these guys were from Western New York although Denny moved to North Carolina with the car in the 90's. He passed away tragicallty after a motorcycle accident in February reportedly caused by a drunk driver. My son is going to be racing this car and I am going to be trying to find out its history. The story is that it was a race car from new. Does anyone know of these guys or this car?

Bob Kramer
There's always room for One More Triumph


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sat Jun 27 22:02:18 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4
In-Reply-To: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>
References: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>
Message-ID: <8A63FBB4FE8248DA9946F9F84C035031@ComputerPC>

I often pitted with Denny in the late 80s when I had a TR4 vintage racer. 
His home track was Watkins; he lived close by.
He went fast in his TR4 - his biggest problem was that his feet were so big 
he would hit two pedals at the same time.
He was a delightful guy.  A friend was always with him who did a lot of the 
wrenching.  I can't remember his name - he drove a TVR. Denny's wife would 
know him.
One year at Watkins I burned a hole in #4 piston. Denny drove home and 
brought back a bucket of used pistons.  While a friend scraped the aluminum 
off the liner, I dug thru the bucket and chose the only piston that had all 
3 rings.  I tried to take rings off pistons but they were so brittle they 
kept breaking.  Never mind the size of the piston; it wasn't too big so I 
put it in.  Finished 6th on Sunday.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4


>I just picked up a TR4 race car formerly raced by Dennis Shea in SVRA. It 
>is a lighter blue and formerly raced with Gulf Oil stickers and paint 
>scheme. The car went through the hands of Sheldon Peterson and Michael 
>Warburton. All of these guys were from Western New York although Denny 
>moved to North Carolina with the car in the 90's. He passed away 
>tragicallty after a motorcycle accident in February reportedly caused by a 
>drunk driver. My son is going to be racing this car and I am going to be 
>trying to find out its history. The story is that it was a race car from 
>new. Does anyone know of these guys or this car?
>
> Bob Kramer
> There's always room for One More Triumph
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 28 08:52:42 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT artwork
Message-ID: <277627.73209.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Group:

If anyone has the art work for the FOT coat of arms in a PDF or other form, if you would send me a copy I could really use it for the 2010 Kastner Cup shirt I'm working on.

Thanks,

Ernie


From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Jun 28 13:27:06 2009
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:27:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1246212001.20093.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>

Did not see if this went out....


Any ideas about some other improved way to open the hood on my TR6....

I bought the new crappy one from Moss Motors, of course, the 3 cents 5/16" bolt they charge 85 cents for wasn't with it...  "Hello parts dept..."

If I knew what a POS it was I would have already been working on a better idea...

Bobby Whitehead

igofaster at charter.net


From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Jun 28 13:35:52 2009
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:35:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] hood release for TR6
Message-ID: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>

OK FoT... TR6 hood release ...   I bought the new POS from Moss Motors from Tiawan... of course they don't include the 3 cent 5/16th bolt to HOLD the cable...had to get on the phone and ORDER the bolt, (85 cents for a 3 cent bolt).
Of course, it's all cheap stuff anyway, well, the bolt stipped out and even under some pressure on the hood release cable, slipped....

so...

is there something hotrod aftermarket that will work????


should be driven right now ... except I can't close the hood....

Bobby Whitehead


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 28 13:44:14 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:44:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>
References: <mailman.3.1246212001.20093.fot@autox.team.net>
	<20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <20090628194417.95176187A67@autox.team.net>

You can kinda see the arrangement on Uncle Jack's TR-6 (now Randy 
Williams' TR-6) here: 
http://www.tonydrews.com/UncleJackTR6/2009_0509UncleJackTR60043.JPG

A lever is bolted to the right hand side of the release with a fairly 
large diameter solid wire (hidden in the photo) running straight 
down, through the bottom of the battery box area into the passenger 
compartment.  When you pull down on the wire, it pulls down on the 
lever which pushes the release mechanism toward the rear of the car 
releasing the hood.

Tony Drews


At 02:27 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
>Did not see if this went out....
>
>
>Any ideas about some other improved way to open the hood on my TR6....
>
>I bought the new crappy one from Moss Motors, of course, the 3 cents 
>5/16" bolt they charge 85 cents for wasn't with it...  "Hello parts dept..."
>
>If I knew what a POS it was I would have already been working on a 
>better idea...
>
>Bobby Whitehead
>
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jun 28 20:01:54 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kramer's new TR4 is on the VIR History page.
References: <20090628175219.9WJOU.382766.root@hrndva-web12-z01>
Message-ID: <8AD5A7CC0459490EB04EECD3ADEB3AE9@hp532n>

I'm home with the new car and I've done a little research trying to find out 
the history. I found a picture of the car on the VIRHistory.com page, and it 
was raced by a Robert Johnson at VIR in July 26-27, 1969. It appears to have 
a Valvoline ARRC Particiapnt sticker on the side but his name doesn't show 
up on the lists I can find. Maybe he had just purchased it?

I have the SCCA logbook for an Ott Jenson starting in 1972. It then went 
from Sheldon Peterson,  to Micheal Warburt and John Forrester before Dennis 
Shea restored it in the early 80's. I have Dennis' SVRA logbooks.

Any help appreciated.

Bob Kramer


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 28 20:12:52 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:12:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk race last weekend (video link too)
Message-ID: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>

Last weekend I went racing at Blackhawk Farms Raceway in Beloit, 
Wisconsin with VSCDA.  Was pretty hot and humid, otherwise, the 
storms only affected the Friday Morning practice sessions.  We had 
several Triumphs there: me in my TR-4, Joe Alexander and his sons and 
grandkids - he's got his TR-4 back together, Tim and Ryan Murphy with 
their TR-4, Dennis and Joan Delap with their Surrey top TR-4, Scott 
and Jerry Barr with Scott's Spitfire, and Bob Wismer in his TR-4.

We had two races - a 12 lap race on Saturday as well as a 12 lap race 
on Sunday.  There was also a handicap race on Sunday which I ended up missing.

In Saturday's race, I started 6th and finished 3rd.  Didn't pass 
anyone in anger on the track, but was hounded from behind by Ron 
Suave in his 1275 bugeye.  I had an odd problem with the brakes 
causing me to have to pump several times going into the corners.  I 
thought it was worse after a left hand turn so figured I had a wheel 
bearing going out.  Bob Wismer had spares, so figured I'd take care 
of it Sunday morning.

Sunday morning, I backed into a car in the hotel parking lot - was 
irritated that I locked something in my room and was distracted, 
apparently.  So, that delayed my arrival at the track, ultimately 
causing me to miss the Handicap race.  I wasn't that upset - as hot 
as it was I would have baked in the car for quite a while before they 
let me on the track for the Handicap race anyway.  My brake problem 
turned out to be boiling brake fluid - a flush with new Castrol LMA 
and all was well.  In Sunday's race, I started 5th and finished 
4th.  Ron broke down, so I ended up running alone for most of the 
race.  I did have the camera going so put together a 10 minute video 
for those of you that like that kind of thing.

It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNeL8bxrPQ

Drove the car back on the trailer, successful weekend!

Cheers, Tony Drews


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 06:58:26 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 29 07:07:44 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
In-Reply-To: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>
References: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W52B0CC22234AC0D16B12FBA300@phx.gbl>

Second of my first second.



Marty

> From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:26 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
>
> Amici,
>
> Somehow, the original nomination got lost.
>
> I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
> has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
> and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
> Stag as well.
>
> His email is pat at patrickbarber.com
>
> Seconds anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
> --
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 07:08:29 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:08:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <001f01c9f8ba$b30f4e20$192dea60$@net>

Please ignore the cc address in the original email, somehow I had the wrong
address in my address book. The correct address is below.

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Jun 29 07:23:02 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>
References: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <4A48C036.8000307@charter.net>

There are good photo's on this site

(http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/emergency_hood_release.htm)

I have had one of these on my 71 TR6 for a number or years and it has 
come in handy since I was locked out originally.

Glenn Franco
72 Spit race car and too many TR's

Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> OK FoT... TR6 hood release ...   I bought the new POS from Moss Motors from Tiawan... of course they don't include the 3 cent 5/16th bolt to HOLD the cable...had to get on the phone and ORDER the bolt, (85 cents for a 3 cent bolt).
> Of course, it's all cheap stuff anyway, well, the bolt stipped out and even under some pressure on the hood release cable, slipped....
>
> so...
>
> is there something hotrod aftermarket that will work????
>
>
> should be driven right now ... except I can't close the hood....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Mon Jun 29 08:21:59 2009
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 7:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk race last weekend (video link too)
In-Reply-To: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090629102159.CIPKF.1005137.root@mp07>

Tony,

Overall it sounds like a good weekend.  I talked with Ron on Wed and he's in need of an engine rebuild.  His problem is the bearing on the #1 con rod.  So I pointed him to a good engine guy as he's not happy with the one that rebuilt it this last time.

Have a good day.

Dave Hesse

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 

=============
Last weekend I went racing at Blackhawk Farms Raceway in Beloit, 
Wisconsin with VSCDA.  Was pretty hot and humid, otherwise, the 
storms only affected the Friday Morning practice sessions.  We had 
several Triumphs there: me in my TR-4, Joe Alexander and his sons and 
grandkids - he's got his TR-4 back together, Tim and Ryan Murphy with 
their TR-4, Dennis and Joan Delap with their Surrey top TR-4, Scott 
and Jerry Barr with Scott's Spitfire, and Bob Wismer in his TR-4.

We had two races - a 12 lap race on Saturday as well as a 12 lap race 
on Sunday.  There was also a handicap race on Sunday which I ended up missing.

In Saturday's race, I started 6th and finished 3rd.  Didn't pass 
anyone in anger on the track, but was hounded from behind by Ron 
Suave in his 1275 bugeye.  I had an odd problem with the brakes 
causing me to have to pump several times going into the corners.  I 
thought it was worse after a left hand turn so figured I had a wheel 
bearing going out.  Bob Wismer had spares, so figured I'd take care 
of it Sunday morning.

Sunday morning, I backed into a car in the hotel parking lot - was 
irritated that I locked something in my room and was distracted, 
apparently.  So, that delayed my arrival at the track, ultimately 
causing me to miss the Handicap race.  I wasn't that upset - as hot 
as it was I would have baked in the car for quite a while before they 
let me on the track for the Handicap race anyway.  My brake problem 
turned out to be boiling brake fluid - a flush with new Castrol LMA 
and all was well.  In Sunday's race, I started 5th and finished 
4th.  Ron broke down, so I ended up running alone for most of the 
race.  I did have the camera going so put together a 10 minute video 
for those of you that like that kind of thing.

It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNeL8bxrPQ

Drove the car back on the trailer, successful weekend!

Cheers, Tony Drews
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 08:22:09 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <803957.81987.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Second, Third, Forth, whatever it takes .... 
  Anyone who has done this much with a spit is crazy enough to be one of us
...
 
Welcome Pat to our group ...  please introduce yourself .. looking forward to
meeting you.


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
To: "Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:08 AM


Please ignore the cc address in the original email, somehow I had the wrong
address in my address book. The correct address is below.

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 10:01:00 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC Test And Tune Invitation
In-Reply-To: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
References: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D51914D4-A8B5-4FC0-B740-23BCA521075D@bnj.com>

I had a nice email from Mark Pendergrass who is the track steward for  
the Northwest Shelby Club inviting any FOT members who are coming to  
the Columbia River Classic to stay an extra day for a test and tune day:


"SAAC NW ( shelby club) is going to hold a drivers training day on  
sept. 8 (the day after the CRC). For insurance reasons we call it a  
training day. We have 4 run groups, novice thru advanced. It appears  
that a few FoTrs will be out here to enjoy PIR for the ABFM/CRC and  
we'd like to invite the FoT family to stay an extra day and get more  
seat time and or a test and tune day. The cost is 160.00 pre- 
registered up to 2wks prior or 175.00 after that. We have scca turn  
workers and all the other required items you would find on track.

Thanks Mark Pendergrass #65 tr4"

That's a very reasonable price for track time that you can use any way  
you choose.  Of course the CRC is already a lot of track time, but it  
will be primarily actual racing. If you need some development time for  
you car this will be particularly valuable because PIR is an extremely  
good testing track. The way the hot pits work is ideal for trying  
suspension tweaks and testing tire temperatures. Please contact Mark  
directly if you are interested in this-I've included his email address.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 11:30:16 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT coat of arms thanks
Message-ID: <433350.46061.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the FOT Coat of Arms
artwork.  I have received several copies, of both the old and new.
 
Thanks again.
 
Ernie


From GRMTim at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 15:07:35 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:07:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ accepted at Monterey
Message-ID: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>

Well,

I did enter the Group 44 GT6+ into the Monterey Historics and it was 
accepted. Now begins the arduous task of figuring out logistics of getting it 
there, crewing, spares and then deciding if Portland is also realistic.

Several of you contacted me about this when I was trying to decide whether 
or not to enter the car and acutally swayed me with promises of help on the 
west coast. How many of you are still out there, as I am looking for ideas 
and some help? I also had one FOT member say he had some more Lbra wheels, 
which I willl need if I am to run this thing.

Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 15:58:01 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:58:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ accepted at Monterey
In-Reply-To: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>
References: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>
Message-ID: <487E677F-97F9-4B8F-AEE4-B46B3020CB4D@bnj.com>

Oops, too long, resending:

Congratulations. I don't know if you done the Monterey Historics
before. Not a huge amount of track time, but it's great fun. Several
things to make sure you attend:

The driver's party--I've heard of people actually giving this a pass.
Crazy!! Not like any driver's party you've ever attended before.
Spectacular food. And don't skip the award ceremony on Sunday either.
Great fun.

The
Quail--http://www.quaillodge.com/events/index.cfm?eventId=EV_2009020411145569
2491
   Kind of Toity but spectacular.  It's sold out already but if you
have any buddies at Bonhams they might front you a pass.

Nightime auctions in town--Bring a cigar and a flask.

Here's a basic schedule

Saturday, 8 Aug 2009
Monterey Pre-Historic Races

Sunday, 9 Aug 2009
Monterey Pre-Historic Races

Monday, 10 Aug 2009
No Listing

Tuesday, 11 Aug 2009
Automobilla Monterey
Carmel-by-the-Sea Concours on the Avenue. This year, one day only!
(Porsche, Ferrari and all Marques)

Wednesday, 12 Aug 2009
Automobilia Monterey
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
McCall Motorworks Revial 2009

Thursday, 13 Aug 2009
Pebble Beach Tour dIligance
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale

Friday, 14 Aug 2009
Monterey Historic Races -- featuring Porsche
Pacific Grove Concours Auto Rally
Pelican Wine Tour and Canyon Run (Porsche cars)
The Quail, A Motorsports Gathering - SOLD OUT!
Bonhams & Butterfields Auction
Concorso Italiano
la Dolce Vita Concours dIligance (a new event)
RM Auction
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto

Saturday, 15 Aug 2009
Monterey Historic Races-featuring Porsche
Gooding & Company Auction
RM Auction
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto


Sunday, 16 Aug 2009
Pebble Beach Concours dIligance
Gooding & Company Auction
Monterey Historic Races -- featuring Porsche
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto


Peyote was accepted too, but I just had to withdraw. My brother is
putting on a charity event in Boston the same weekend (30 miles of
paddling stand up paddle boards across Cape Cod Bay), and has just
gone through brain surgery. I feel I have to support him this year, so
I had to pull out.

I'm not happy. I love the historics. Some racers dislike the limited
track time, but there's so much to do for car guys that you find
yourself spinning in indecision.

Incidentally, if you don't have a place to stay already book, prepare
yourself for pain. You can stay in the paddock but hotels, the
campgrounds at Laguna and every cheap motel six up and down the coast
has doubled or tripled their rate and are probably already booked
solid. If you need a place shoot me an email, I might be able to help
but it will take some research.

I can certainly still offer other help though, especially if you need
a place to store the car before the CRC, or anything else like that.
What do you need?


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 19:04:08 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
Message-ID: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI
For those who have done it.
What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
I'd like to do that event before it's all over.

Thanks for any insight
Dennis 


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 19:17:43 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:17:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
References: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3201EA990F7E45C2BEEDAC8CFDFBB255@Bud>

Hi Dennis...I have not raced in it...I often go as pit crew for 
friends....The whole Scenario is Magnificent..It's a mind blower.......My 
favorite part is the 'Welcome Banquet'.....It's hard to describe....How 
about...a P-51 surprise Fly Over while we're socialing and wine 
tasting?(maybe 6 years ago).
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?


> AMICI
> For those who have done it.
> What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
> I'd like to do that event before it's all over.
>
> Thanks for any insight
> Dennis
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 20:03:18 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
In-Reply-To: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I assume you're talking about YOUR personal trip on the Merry Go  
Round. I expect the Historics will go for a long while.

What it takes first of all is asking to be invited. Write a letter to  
General Racing and tell them about your car. It's really the car that  
gets invited, not the driver, though you have to let them know (and  
they have to approve) of any driver change. There are people who try  
to buy their way into Monterey by paying for a seat in a car that has  
been accepted.  Doesn't work, generally.

People go to Monterey and walk through the paddock to see race cars,  
cool cars and exotics. Your car has either be really nice, or really  
real. Patina is welcome. Contrary to popular belief they will take  
many different cars, and certainly production cars with a race  
history. The more history you can detail the better.

But they tend to take more true race cars than anything else. In  
theory it's a little easier to get in when your marque is featured, in  
practice while they took 150 porsches this year who knows how many  
Porsche entries they got. My friend Cameron got his 906 and 906  
accepted but not his Pooper. I don't expect to see Triumph as the  
featured Marque any time soon, though they sure surprised me with the  
"specials" choice a few years ago.

It helps to have a car that has a long history at the Historics.  
Peyote has been there many times and is well known. It also helps to  
participate in HMSA events and less saturated General Racing events.  
Wine Country, Limerock, etc. Then they know you and your car.

Other than that it's just a crapshoot. I've heard absurd numbers for  
how many entries they get.

On Jun 29, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

>
> AMICI
> For those who have done it.
> What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
> I'd like to do that event before it's all over.
>
> Thanks for any insight
> Dennis


From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Mon Jun 29 21:48:44 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <4A498B1C.1040500@cyberspeedway.net>

    HSR West will find a place for you. Also, our local Arizona SCCA 
Vintage run group uses one of our SCCA stewards but most of the rest of 
their requirements are decided among themselves. They generaally accept 
other sanctioning bodies licenses. SCCA Vintage requires current driver 
safety gear. The cars can have roll hoops or cages. Right now we only 
run a Closed wheel group mostly LBCs and one or two Datsuns.
Greg Lund

jim hearn wrote:
> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> Jim
> 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 22:45:28 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:45:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
	<4A498B1C.1040500@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <4A025214CF2547B0AEE1698436A9990B@Bud>

Hi Jim...HSR west Race at Infineon..1st time ever...last weekend in 
august...
Racer bud
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To: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1 at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California


>    HSR West will find a place for you. Also, our local Arizona SCCA 
> Vintage run group uses one of our SCCA stewards but most of the rest of 
> their requirements are decided among themselves. They generaally accept 
> other sanctioning bodies licenses. SCCA Vintage requires current driver 
> safety gear. The cars can have roll hoops or cages. Right now we only run 
> a Closed wheel group mostly LBCs and one or two Datsuns.
> Greg Lund
>
> jim hearn wrote:
>> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
>> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local 
>> vintage
>> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license 
>> but
>> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one 
>> or
>> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage 
>> races
>> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that 
>> currently.
>> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough 
>> to
>> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort 
>> of
>> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>> Jim
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had 
>> a name of winmail.dat]
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun 30 08:26:16 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Warning: No LBC content
Message-ID: <20090630142619.775A0187CB4@autox.team.net>

I normally don't pass these things around, but thought you guys might 
get a kick out of this.  It's a 6-1/2 minute show on VW's 
"transparent factory" in Dresden.  Very cool.
http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-factory.htm

- Tony Drews


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 30 19:13:34 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ANOTHER REASON THAT NASCAR TRIUMPHS
Message-ID: <3EF71500511349B99907B0058BD2A220@Bud>

Hi Friends....I just got off the phone talkin' to my Mom....She's 88 years
old....We lost  Dad about 9 months ago at 91.. My Dad, Charlie was a true 'Car
Guy'....So.. Mom Knows about the love for this stuff......
I suggested to Mom that she tune in to the NASCAR race last weekend....The
first message she left me was that she was havn' an Incredible time watchin'
the 'Pre Race Stuff'.....The next morning she called to tell me about the rain
situation..and about Joey Lugano(sp) winning....Yesterday she informed me of
the Jeremy Mayfield steroid updates....Now she's excited as heck, waiting for
the Cocal Cola 400 at Daytona on saturday.......She calls me with 'ALL THE HOT
NASCAR NEWS'......
She's now a member of my internet... Racing Newsletter Gang(she doesn't have a
computer yet, but she's still a 'Gang Member' ),,Her Gang name(by her own
request) is NATALIE VROOOM-VROOOM DELAUER.......
This is terrific stuff....NASCAR makes auto racing available to the
Mainstream....
Thank You NASCAR!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21


From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 16:15:53 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:15:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [VRG NewsGroup] VRG New Jersey Historics Sept 18-20
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References: <BAY140-W1211889747F7F758E81731D4310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <673993c50906301515n13327c63rd76259dbc313e275@mail.gmail.com>

Put this on your calenders.
SVRA will also be on Thunderbolt (hopefully sans chicane) the first weekend
of October.

Bob

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark Palmer <mgvrmark at hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] VRG New Jersey Historics Sept 18-20
To: VRG Newsgroup <vrg_newsgroup at yahoogroups.com>




 Folks,

Since Billy Mays has sadly passed away, it looks like I will have to pitch
our New Jersey event myself.  No problem, I learned everything I know from
Ralph Steinberg (rumor has it, so did Billy!)

The *ENTRY FORM IS OUT *-- see the latest VRG Newsletter, which went to all
VRG members a couple days ago.  The entry form is also posted on the VRG web
site, click here for a direct link to the form:

http://www.vrgonline.org/EVENTS/NJMP/NJMP09_Entry_V1.pdf

or if that doesn't work, go to www.vrgonline.org click on "events" then
"Thunderbolt Historics" then "entry form".  (P.S. we changed the name this
year to "New Jersey Historics" to more accurately reflect the track).

*We really need your support *for this event.  NJMP is an expensive track to
rent, and last year we had the pleasure of hosting the MG Vintage Racers,
who brought about 50 entries.  We need to attract more entries this year to
take the place of all those MG's.

So why should you enter?  It's close to home for many of us; an interesting
new track; we're the only vintage club with an event on the Lightning
Circuit, which is faster and more flowing than Thunderbolt; lots of track
time; reasonable entry fee; a great Saturday night barbecue at the Air
Museum again this year; and I'm working on a few other surprises (stay
tuned).

Also, if you haven't made your hotel reservations already I strongly suggest
that you take advantage of the special VRG room rates at the following
hotels.  These are the two nicest hotels in the area, and the rates are
excellent (most places are charging $150/night for that weekend!)

*Wingate by Wyndham*, Vineland, 856-690-9900, $105/night, ask for the
"Vintage Racer Group" rate.

*Country Inn by Carlson*, Millville, 856-825-3100, $90/night includes
breakfast, ask for the "Vintage Racer Group" rate.

I know there are many great events to choose from in the fall, and I hope
you'll consider supporting VRG by entering our New Jersey event (and our
Watkins Glen event in October) -- these are both major undertakings for VRG
and we truly appreciate your support!

Mark Palmer

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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  1 02:05:28 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:05:28 +0100
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TTA Stag status as of May 31
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Message-ID: <66D70FDB1ABA44BFBBEA3325E7D7CF4D@John>

Tim Buja wrote:
> I've updated the TTA website with news and pictures about our build progress
> and "uncle jack"'s public debut on Sunday.
> http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk/
> Thanks to everyone who contributed to this gallant and successful effort to
> recover from the catastrophic failure of only one week ago.  We could not
> have done this without your help.

In a world that is overloaded with cliche, the events of the last week - starting last Sunday - and 
the stresses since then, all go to prove what really can be achieved with "absolute teamwork." I am 
truly and utterly amazed that in less than seven days, the replacements for all the damaged parts 
were located, shipped to where they were needed and then brought together into a whole.
This achievement is, by any standards, utterly staggering and a tribute to everyone who played their 
part to overcome the misfortune.
I call you guys the "Works Team" because unlike a works team, you didn't have a truck full of parts 
on your doorstep. However, you all pulled together against the most daunting odds and carried out 
work that a Works Team would be proud to be associated with.
I salute you all with admiration, gratitude and complete amazement at what you achieved in the time 
you had at your disposal.
Thank you, SO much.
"uncle jack" looks superb and I do so hope that members of the Triumph racing fraternity in the US 
and Canada take time out to see what was achieved by all of you. I'm confident as well that Jack 
Drews would have approved to see his name associated with your handiwork. There is a whole lot more 
to say about this overall restoration - but it'll have to wait until I get the opportunity of saying 
it face to face with a raft of other people.
You guys achieved the impossible and though it did take a few days longer, you performed a miracle 
too.
Well done!

John Macartney 


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jun  1 07:06:08 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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Interestingly I was just sent a link to an article from the New York Times on
professions that involve getting dirt under your fingernails.  I think it sums
up why we build our own stuff. There is a need to do something tangible and
sitting behind a computer doesn't fill that need at all. In some sick way even
the failures seem to help fill that void. It puts you back to work to get it
right.

www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24labor-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&em



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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:26 PM
To: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph; Bill Bartlett
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing
much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth.
Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Bill Bartlett"
<BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?


> Gotta' put in my 1.75 cents worth -yeh', I'm that cheap! I too BMO  [build
> my own].  Kas of coarse has it dead on and Tony is pretty spot  on too.
> Being a car guy I don't do my own dental work and being a  perfectionist
> it would take me 100 years to build my own house. On  the other hand about
> the only thing I use a torque wrench for is the  head because it's
> necessary and the lug nuts because it's convenient.
> My cheapo approach doesn't really involve cutting corners. That's  where
> the detail part comes in. As far as I can tell, getting it  right the
> first time is the path to cheap. Knowing how I built it and  what I expect
> of it dictates how I maintain it. For me, every other  year tear-down has
> worked. Each of three times now I've been able to  find concerns before
> they became problems.
> One was a very stretched timing chain. Probably explained why I was
> getting astronomical revs but was also about one race from wearing a  hole
> thru the cover or worse.
> Another was finding a cracked crank before it came apart [see
> astronomical revs above]. I totally thank cryogenics for that find.-  I'm
> cheap but DO want to get it right.
> The third was thrust washers. Improperly installed [by me] or  inferior
> material I'll never know, but it was caught in time.
> On the other hand, there was a thread recently about Spridgets. A  friend
> of mine [who I can pretty much keep up with or better] has  been sending
> his engine back to Speedwell every other race for two  seasons now and is
> now ready to go for every four races! If you can  afford that, go for it.
> I really only submit this so as not to discourage those those who are  on
> the fence as far as BMO. If you THINK you can, with lots of  patience and
> attention to detail you can! If you're pretty sure it's  not your thing,
> don't. Only hitch is that those who do will always  have at least a bit
> more satisfaction - as long as it works. Having  said that I will do as
> best I can to avoid The Big One.
> As far as the tally goes Bill, keep in mind that those who follow the  BMO
> are probably also the most likely to talk about it. No offense to  the
> others but there is a good amount of pride that goes along with BMO.
>
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 08:07:26 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
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On Sat, 30 May 2009, Bill Bartlett wrote:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B

mine (so far) are home-built. I've also built 5 or 10 for other folks. 
I've def. done at least three from scratch and I've had a hand in the 
other ones...

I haven't built anything more than what the Kastner TR6 book says (yet). 
I'm looking for reliabitiy more than ultimate power.

the only prob. I've had to this point with all those motors was a broken 
rocker arm which was a rebuilt stock piece. Rather than risk that problem 
again, I switched to roller rockers about 5 years ago. def. the way to go 
if you're not constrained by rules.

These motors are easy to work on as long as you're not trying to get 2X 
the factory specs from them.

regards,
rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 08:16:17 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1>
References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>

On Sat, 30 May 2009, Greg & Alison Blake wrote:

> An interesting topic might be what you pay to have a professional build
> it and how long it lasts compared to longevity of a home build.


The latest Classic Motorsports mag has just such an article.

Check it out.

rml
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun  1 08:45:29 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas on engine building
Message-ID: <000001c9e2c7$9c5e3a00$d51aae00$@com>

Long day yesterday.  Overlooked giving credit where credit is due to Kas's
books and his e-mails to me when I was working on the engine builds.  Also
invaluable, as was the Drews help.  Sorry, Kas and thanks!

 

Tim


From adams910 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:47:13 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:47:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>
References: <000101c9e158$a6831570$6401a8c0@blake1>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011015290.6134@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <673993c50906010847y43ea3994mf004dcc818bc1fed@mail.gmail.com>

Dick Stockton builds his own motors, but he is a retired "pro".

Bob Adams


From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 09:55:20 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:55:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
Message-ID: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>

I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
material than stock.

Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
etc.


From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:59:23 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <354a1780906010859q7bb4de29ya20535677dd3c5c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Scott Janzen <s.janzen at comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it
> runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied
> with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in
> excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up
> the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many
> times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!
> I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am
> wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction
> material than stock.



Ted Schumacher has carbon kevlar shoes for the drums used in the TR series
cars. I would start with him.

HTH,

Irv Korey


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 10:21:42 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:21:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <541947624.1714121243873302271.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm with you Tony, If I had to pay for engine builds I probably wouldn't be
doing it.

I have learned how not to build them a couple timesB but with advice
fromB your

website, Kas, FoT, Ken G of BFEB and Fred Hodgson of Auto Wizards I'm getting
better.

My background has been in small & big block chevy's but as I found out the
hard way

there is very little that translates to our little tactor motors.

Without these resources it would take years and lots of money in blown motors

to get it right.



Jim G.

RMVR


----- Original Message -----
From: tony at tonydrews.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:26:25 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). B If
I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. B I put
together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. B Of course,
Kas's books are invaluable!

I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
there.

http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm

I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.

But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. B No knock to
them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
to make sense, I think.

- Tony Drews

Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Jun  1 12:21:29 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:21:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>

I recently asked the same question and got some great response.  I decided
on the Carbotech rear shoes with the 913 compound for our TR4.  Haven't
reported the results back yet because we haven't run a race since getting
them.  Next race is Blackhawk on June 20-21st in South Beloit,IL.  Go to
www.ctbrakes.com/pads/triumph.htm  they list the GT 6 rear drum shoes and
linings as CTS211 at a cost of $149 for the 913 compound.  It's a pretty
nice site.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?

I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
material than stock.

Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
etc.
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Jun  1 12:45:37 2009
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:45:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
In-Reply-To: <000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
	<000301c9e2e5$c95ccc60$5c166520$@com>
Message-ID: <4A2421D1.4070307@bright.net>

Tim, Scott, et al.  Our Kevlar shoes, bonded and riveted, are $60/axle 
set (4 shoes) exchange.  Good cold stop power, no warm up needed. Drum 
and rotor friendly.  Two yeas ago our brakes were on the HP SCCA 
National Champion Spit at Topeka.  Ted




Tim Murphy wrote:
> I recently asked the same question and got some great response.  I decided
> on the Carbotech rear shoes with the 913 compound for our TR4.  Haven't
> reported the results back yet because we haven't run a race since getting
> them.  Next race is Blackhawk on June 20-21st in South Beloit,IL.  Go to
> www.ctbrakes.com/pads/triumph.htm  they list the GT 6 rear drum shoes and
> linings as CTS211 at a cost of $149 for the 913 compound.  It's a pretty
> nice site.
>
> Tim Murphy
> 1961 TR4 #317
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Scott Janzen
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:55 AM
> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
>
> I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it  
> runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied  
> with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in  
> excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up  
> the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many  
> times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!   
> I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am  
> wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction  
> material than stock.
>
> Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run  
> vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,  
> etc.
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 13:40:03 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:40:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jun  1 13:57:55 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:57:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D068947485F4419901C39EAAA1F5EB3@joepentiumnew>

I don't know about steel wheels but I bought some 15" Panasports From Ted S.
that have the right bolt pattern.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Nikas
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:40 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jun  1 15:15:09 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:15:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906011639580.6134@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, John Nikas wrote:

> Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with 15
> inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
> bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
> they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
> steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

Not many fit off the shelf, the bolt pattern is 4 on 3.75 or 4 on 96 mm, 
something like that.

If you want to fit "jap car" wheels to your TR7, there are vendors that 
sell adapters to go from 4 on whatever to 4 on 100mm, a common zise for 
"tuner" cars. The only drawback to this approach is the fact that most 
tuner wheels run lots of offset - BUT the adapters act like spacers and 
cancel some of the change in offset.

In other words - the adapter approach will def. work for some folks.

Whether you prefer to run spacers and that sort of thing is a personal 
preference, or so it seems.

Me - if I happened to have a TR7 or TR8, I'd either make custom hubs or 
convert what's there to 4 on 4.5" because I have about a zillion 4 on 4.5 
wheels from having owned TR6's since the 70's. :-) Oh - and it's not hard 
to get a Ford 8.8" diff to fit a TR7/8 and you can easily get 4 on 4.5" 
hubs for that setup.

> -- 
> Very truly yours,
>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306


regards,
rml
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  1 15:18:49 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:18:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
In-Reply-To: <036084C1825F400AA6E090017523BD13@KasPC>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><001201c9e249$fb632ac0$f2298040$@com>
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	<036084C1825F400AA6E090017523BD13@KasPC>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKwm+9iTfbJDvRMtmXIgGL0BAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Year 2008 was an expensive one with 5 engine blows in 4 race events.
In some cases trouble started when I went away from Mr. Kastners
recommendations and trying to be more smart then him. Then disaster was
programmed.

For my part I try to be close to the Kastner books and the helping e-mails
when I build an engine and doing less listening to other people.

Chris (who has again scuffed 4 pistons before the season starts)


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Kas Kastner
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Juni 2009 06:26
An: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph; Bill Bartlett
Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

For all those who do build their own engines..........is there any thing
much more satisfying than hearing that devil start up and run smooth.
Always a great feeling. EVERY TIME. (and sometimes a wonder too)


From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 15:28:38 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:28:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?
References: <CB5F663A-D4FD-4572-8BC1-0B453F034FF1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <080a01c9e2ff$eea2e300$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all, I put 7/8" rear wheel cylinders on the TR6 to replace the 3/4''
originals and got better rear braking. Got them from BPNW for a Morgan, I
think. Also run Teds rear shoes, they work fine.
  Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: "Scott Janzen" <s.janzen at comcast.net>
  To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:55 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Higher performance from rear drum brakes?


  > I'm hoping to get better stopping out of my GT6 braking system - it
  > runs stock calipers up front with Hawk Blue pads, which I am satisfied
  > with,  Dual masters with balancing bar, everything in the system in
  > excellent condition.  Having read Kas' recommendations on tuning up
  > the braking system, I realized my rear drums have been turned so many
  > times that the stock shoes probably have about one point of contact!
  > I plan to get "new" drums to get the diameter down to spec, and am
  > wondering if there is a supplier for rear shoes with a better friction
  > material than stock.
  >
  > Any suggestions or lessons learned on the other TR models?  I run
  > vintage and need/want to stay with stock calipers, disc/drum set-up,
  > etc.
  > _______________________________________________
  > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
  >
  > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 15:54:40 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
References: <541947624.1714121243873302271.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <082801c9e303$90f74120$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi Gang, I build my own after having the machine shop check the align
bore, shave the head, etc. I grind my own valves and seats and do the
assembly work.
  Full disclosure: in a previous life I went to an automotive college and
worked for a decade or so as a mechanic. Have all the tools (and then some!)
and a big garage. And hundreds of drill bits and taps- let me know what you
need.
  Kaz is right, take your time and do it right. Clean everything thoroughly.
And get an accurate torque wrench; spend the money on a good one and it will
last for years. Same with dial indicators or mics.
  Before you even think about firing it up, build up oil pressure. I made a
shaft to turn the oil pump after the dist and drive gear are out. Drive it
with a drill motor; works great. Pull the spark plugs and turn the engine
over with a spare starter motor. Make sure you have oil everywhere.
  Then like Kaz says, there's nothing like hearing your own creation come to
life!
  Good luck, Bill----- Original Message -----
  From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: <tony at tonydrews.com>
  Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?


  > I'm with you Tony, If I had to pay for engine builds I probably wouldn't
be
  > doing it.
  >
  > I have learned how not to build them a couple timesB but with advice
  > fromB your
  >
  > website, Kas, FoT, Ken G of BFEB and Fred Hodgson of Auto Wizards I'm
getting
  > better.
  >
  > My background has been in small & big block chevy's but as I found out
the
  > hard way
  >
  > there is very little that translates to our little tactor motors.
  >
  > Without these resources it would take years and lots of money in blown
motors
  >
  > to get it right.
  >
  >
  >
  > Jim G.
  >
  > RMVR
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: tony at tonydrews.com
  > To: fot at autox.team.net
  > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:26:25 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
  > Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?
  >
  > I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad). B If
  > I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
  > But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too. B I put
  > together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
  > couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
  > to help out others who are trying to do it themselves. B Of course,
  > Kas's books are invaluable!
  >
  > I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
  > there.
  >
  > http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm
  >
  > I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.
  >
  > But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
  > aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions. B No knock to
  > them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
  > to make sense, I think.
  >
  > - Tony Drews
  >
  > Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:
  >
  > > Curiosity
  > > Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
  > > professionally built and prepped?
  > > Bill B
  > Fot mailing list
  > Fot at autox.team.net
  > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jun  1 17:36:50 2009
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:36:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
Message-ID: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>

  _____  

From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Craig
Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.



it's time for fiat jokes.

Got any more of them?

Craig

 

 

How do you get spare parts for a Fiat? 
/ Just follow another one around.
  
 
When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat? 
/ When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
 
Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device? 
/ They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
 
What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual? 
/The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
 
How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour? 
/ Push it over a cliff.
 
A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for my
Fiat." 
/ The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade." 

How do you make a Fiat go faster? 
/Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
 
What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop? 
/ A miracle.


What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop? 
/ Science fiction.


What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop? 
/ A funny place to build a Fiat factory. 





 


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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 17:54:02 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>

What do the letters FIAT stand for?
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


>  _____
>
> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: Craig
> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>
>
>
> it's time for fiat jokes.
>
> Got any more of them?
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> / Just follow another one around.
>
>
> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>
> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>
> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>
> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> / Push it over a cliff.
>
> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
> my
> Fiat."
> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>
> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>
> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> / A miracle.
>
>
> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> / Science fiction.
>
>
> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:04:21 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3DB4E9E40ACC41E38E548CC77489DC51@Bud>

Ques...How do you make your neighbors think you have a Jaguar when you can't 
really afford one?
answ.  Pour some oil on your driveway
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


>  _____
>
> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: Craig
> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>
>
>
> it's time for fiat jokes.
>
> Got any more of them?
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> / Just follow another one around.
>
>
> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>
> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>
> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>
> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> / Push it over a cliff.
>
> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
> my
> Fiat."
> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>
> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>
> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> / A miracle.
>
>
> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> / Science fiction.
>
>
> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Mon Jun  1 18:05:54 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
Message-ID: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Turino
 
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700 "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
writes:
> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
> 
> 
> >  _____
> >
> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: Craig
> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> >
> >
> > it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> > Got any more of them?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> > / Just follow another one around.
> >
> >
> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
> >
> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
> >
> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
> >
> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> > / Push it over a cliff.
> >
> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas 
> cap for 
> > my
> > Fiat."
> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
> >
> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
> >
> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> > / A miracle.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / Science fiction.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jun  1 18:15:56 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>

No that's not it.

It is Fix It Again Tony.

BK

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From: "William G Rosenbach" <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
To: <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


> Fabrica Italiano Automobilia Turino
>
> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700 "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> writes:
>> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
>> Racer Bud
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>>
>>
>> >  _____
>> >
>> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
>> > To: Craig
>> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > it's time for fiat jokes.
>> >
>> > Got any more of them?
>> >
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
>> > / Just follow another one around.
>> >
>> >
>> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
>> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>> >
>> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
>> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>> >
>> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
>> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>> >
>> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
>> > / Push it over a cliff.
>> >
>> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas
>> cap for
>> > my
>> > Fiat."
>> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>> >
>> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
>> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>> >
>> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
>> > / A miracle.
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
>> > / Science fiction.
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
>> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From riverside at cedar-rapids.net  Mon Jun  1 18:18:20 2009
From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
Message-ID: <016601c9e317$a2d6aa20$57033f45@your55e5f9e3d2>

Fix It Again Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>; "''Friends of Triumph'Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.


> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
>> To: Craig
>> Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
>>
>>
>>
>> it's time for fiat jokes.
>>
>> Got any more of them?
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
>> / Just follow another one around.
>>
>>
>> When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
>> / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
>>
>> Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
>> / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
>>
>> What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
>> /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
>>
>> How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
>> / Push it over a cliff.
>>
>> A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for 
>> my
>> Fiat."
>> / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
>>
>> How do you make a Fiat go faster?
>> /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
>>
>> What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
>> / A miracle.
>>
>>
>> What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
>> / Science fiction.
>>
>>
>> What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
>> / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:23:06 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
Message-ID: <4A2470EA.1080205@verizon.net>

I remember an old joke about a FIAT repair kit.

It was a semi full of money that followed you around everywhere.

Bob Kramer wrote:
> No that's not it.
>
> It is Fix It Again Tony.
>
> BK


From tr6nut at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:23:13 2009
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
References: <20090601.180555.3476.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
	<3B1C0F69FB214EB89B90BE6D77C54F86@hp532n>
Message-ID: <4A2470F1.1010305@verizon.net>

I remember an old joke about a FIAT repair kit.

It was a semi full of money that followed you around everywhere.

Bob Kramer wrote:
> No that's not it.
>
> It is Fix It Again Tony.
>
> BK


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jun  1 18:23:42 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:23:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
Message-ID: <A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>

> What do the letters FIAT stand for?

Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".

Randall


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:45:08 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
Message-ID: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>

What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?

RB


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 18:48:51 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
Message-ID: <9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>

The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!


> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
> 
> RB
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 18:52:23 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
In-Reply-To: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906011752o5f02e6fbm5a829b963c825b88@mail.gmail.com>

My guess would be the first car to use Lucas electrics in which they went
from On Flicker Dimmer Off.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:45 PM, RACER BUD <budscars at comcast.net> wrote:

> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>
> RB
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  1 19:05:11 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
In-Reply-To: <9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
	<9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
Message-ID: <BCB6CB1A-84EA-4C98-AFEF-AB086FDD5649@earthlink.net>

Gotta' disagree - I think the first car to use Lucas headlamps was  
the Rolls Royce of 1914. It would go to figure that would have dawned  
the age of flashing lights!

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, RACER BUD wrote:

> The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
> RB
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
>
>
>> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>> RB
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From andre at gt6.ca  Mon Jun  1 19:05:46 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
	<A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>

Finote
Invented
Another
Tool

On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 PM, Randall wrote:

>> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
>
> Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".
>
> Randall
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Ottawa, ON, Canada


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 19:10:51 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
References: <78A044340CF74938B450E53EA0F89641@Bud>
	<9701C7255300489A8CAE991B15D3E199@Bud>
	<BCB6CB1A-84EA-4C98-AFEF-AB086FDD5649@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <97B5243040D745A58323D64E58FF6771@Bud>

Now I'm gettin' it...the loose ground wires etc.(:>)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" <Lunkercars at earthlink.net>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!


> Gotta' disagree - I think the first car to use Lucas headlamps was  
> the Rolls Royce of 1914. It would go to figure that would have dawned  
> the age of flashing lights!
> 
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
> TR4 #314
> Albuquerque NM
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:48 PM, RACER BUD wrote:
> 
>> The 1st car to use Headlamp flashers was the 1935 Fiat 1500
>> RB
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:45 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] CAR TRIVIA TIME..make some money at the bar!
>>
>>
>>> What was the 1st car to use Headlamp Flashers?
>>> RB
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From mlcooknj at msn.com  Mon Jun  1 19:19:24 2009
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:19:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
	<A19DC5A44F8C4F14A1DF4F421BD8DAA4@jdnet.deere.com> 
	<E9C46D1B-7DEB-4DA2-9EEB-E3B521B03367@gt6.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W228B5365CE4218CCD1FA3DC84D0@phx.gbl>

Fabrica Italia Automobili Torino



No kidding.



Mike Cook

> From: andre at gt6.ca
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:05:46 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
> Finote
> Invented
> Another
> Tool
>
> On 1-Jun-09, at 8:23 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> >> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> >
> > Recent events seem to have redefined it as "Fix It Again, Taxpayers".
> >
> > Randall
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>
> --
> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca
> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jun  1 19:43:07 2009
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:43:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
In-Reply-To: <F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud>
References: <20090601233656.2753418764A@autox.team.net>
	<F1BD7FD70D9348E9B073E9EBDA13E9BE@Bud> 
Message-ID: <BAY104-W225107BF0617C7C092A6EBDA4D0@phx.gbl>

Futile Italian Attempt @ Transportation or F%&@! Italian Automotive Tragedy

> From: budscars at comcast.net
> To: walt at hot-tr6.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:54:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
> What do the letters FIAT stand for?
> Racer Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related but I can relate to some.
>
>
> > _____
> >
> > From: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: Craig
> > Subject: it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> >
> >
> > it's time for fiat jokes.
> >
> > Got any more of them?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you get spare parts for a Fiat?
> > / Just follow another one around.
> >
> >
> > When should you do the first oil change on a Fiat?
> > / When it gets to 50,000 miles or -- in other words -- never.
> >
> > Have you seen the latest Fiat anti-theft device?
> > / They enlarged the "Fiat" logo.
> >
> > What occupies the last six pages of the Fiat owner's manual?
> > /The bus and train timetables so you can find your way home.
> >
> > How can you get a Fiat to do 60 miles an hour?
> > / Push it over a cliff.
> >
> > A friend went to a dealer the other day and said, "I'd like a gas cap for
> > my
> > Fiat."
> > / The dealer replied, "Okay. Sounds like a fair trade."
> >
> > How do you make a Fiat go faster?
> > /Tell the tow truck driver to speed up.
> >
> > What do you call a Fiat on a hilltop?
> > / A miracle.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Two Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / Science fiction.
> >
> >
> > What do you call Three Fiats on a hilltop?
> > / A funny place to build a Fiat factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
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From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  1 20:03:30 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:03:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Sometimes
Message-ID: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>

Freshly built or not I think we could all use a bit of this sometimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY1YndLmbXQ

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun  1 22:39:17 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:39:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
In-Reply-To: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
References: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6D1A8A88-B294-45F9-A58C-1C4AE5D48F6C@bnj.com>

Raced Peyote at Infinion (Sears Point in Sonoma, California) this  
weekend at the Wine Country Classic. Peyote did great right up until  
the checker on Sunday's warmup when my clutch went away.  I had a  
spare clutch pack with me, and decided to do the loony in-the-paddock- 
extreme-repair and put it in, but it's a double spline type, and I  
didn't have an input shaft with me, so I couldn't index it. With about  
40 minutes left before the green flag I gave up trying to wiggle the  
transmission on, pulled the clutch off and stuck the transmission back  
on to put it back in the trailer. Too bad, I was slow on Saturday in  
the qualifying race (14th out of 40) but had the bit between my teeth  
during the warmup on Sunday and was running with the three leaders.  I  
think it would have been a fun race.

A long tow--about ten hours each way, hauling my 34' airstream--Nero.  
But it was a great weekend at the races and a fine ride back in a warm  
California haze with good music blasting. Sang pretty much all the way  
back to Portland. A little hoarse and a little sunburned.

Lots of old friends and a few new ones at the race, including Baxter  
Culver (Peyote's previous owner), Hardy Prentice, Greg Petrolati,  
David Love and many more. Made for a really great weekend. 


From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun  1 23:32:08 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:32:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
In-Reply-To: <000901c9e33d$4aa446c0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
References: <981269CD-0FC2-419F-93FF-6F868F697DAE@earthlink.net>
	<6D1A8A88-B294-45F9-A58C-1C4AE5D48F6C@bnj.com>
	<000901c9e33d$4aa446c0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>
Message-ID: <F3C9AE04-5790-4D77-B4DB-ECDE30F61A12@bnj.com>

They might. If not, the CSRG Charity Challenge is just as much fun and  
a lot more track time.

On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:47 PM, mordy wrote:

> I always wanted to do that event... but, alas -don't think they  
> would accept a tr4.    i havn't been to sears point in years.  There  
> still is a photo of the old sign leading to the turn in to the track  
> on the FOT page.  Check it out ... has it changed?
> Mordy
>
> M.N.Dunst
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
> www.Headgasket.com
> Triple R Munitions, Inc.
> 626.358.1616 ph
> 626.628.3777 fx
> GMT -8 Pacific
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
> To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Wine Country
>
>
>> Raced Peyote at Infinion (Sears Point in Sonoma, California) this   
>> weekend at the Wine Country Classic. Peyote did great right up  
>> until  the checker on Sunday's warmup when my clutch went away.  I  
>> had a  spare clutch pack with me, and decided to do the loony in- 
>> the-paddock- extreme-repair and put it in, but it's a double spline  
>> type, and I  didn't have an input shaft with me, so I couldn't  
>> index it. With about  40 minutes left before the green flag I gave  
>> up trying to wiggle the  transmission on, pulled the clutch off and  
>> stuck the transmission back  on to put it back in the trailer. Too  
>> bad, I was slow on Saturday in  the qualifying race (14th out of  
>> 40) but had the bit between my teeth  during the warmup on Sunday  
>> and was running with the three leaders.  I  think it would have  
>> been a fun race.
>>
>> A long tow--about ten hours each way, hauling my 34' airstream-- 
>> Nero.  But it was a great weekend at the races and a fine ride back  
>> in a warm California haze with good music blasting. Sang pretty  
>> much all the way back to Portland. A little hoarse and a little  
>> sunburned.
>>
>> Lots of old friends and a few new ones at the race, including  
>> Baxter Culver (Peyote's previous owner), Hardy Prentice, Greg  
>> Petrolati,  David Love and many more. Made for a really great  
>> weekend. _______________________________________________
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jun  1 23:47:26 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
Message-ID: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>

Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....


From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Jun  2 00:11:07 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:11:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>

The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
the middle of the night to watch it live)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of David W. Riddle
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:47 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox

Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue Jun  2 00:20:45 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:20:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
	<46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <20090602062145.E838218852C@autox.team.net>

For the past 2-3 years the SpeedTV team of Varsha, Matchett and Hobbs 
have done the commentary on Fox.  The days of having to put up with 
Eddie, Derek and the gang are long gone.

Now, the SpeedTV crew do acknowledge that they have to give a bit 
more basic info since they have a larger (potential) and uninformed 
audience that might be channel surfing by since it will be on Fox

With the introduction of DVR technology I haven't gotten up in the 
middle of the night to watch a race in years... :)


At 11:11 PM 6/1/2009, Joe Curry wrote:
>The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
>if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
>the middle of the night to watch it live)
>
>Joe C.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of David W. Riddle
>Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:47 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
>
>Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four
>races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 17:01:47 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:01:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C206573C-A94D-4017-88A6-AC523B6D5C1F@comcast.net>

you can also go to Diamond Wheel and they will make you up a steel  
wheel, any bolt pattern, any offset, any width for a very reasonable  
price.  Know this from my Formula Ford days when I needed some strong  
straight wheels.

On Jun 1, 2009, at 3:40 PM, John Nikas wrote:

Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7  
with 15
inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that  
the
bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I  
think
they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know  
what
steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 07:42:57 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
	<46EFB1861C0F48D9A8DE8CFD997B1F16@joepentiumnew>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906020937000.8437@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Joe Curry wrote:

> The downside is that the FOX announcers tend to talk down to the audience as
> if we didn't know anything about F1. (Not to mention that we can't get up in
> the middle of the night to watch it live)

Near as I can figure (and from what Varsha, Hobbs and Machett were saying 
at Monoco), the announcers are the same for the Fox broadcast and the 
Speed production. They do add some more color and comment because the 
network probably figures that Joe SixPack watches F1 in total shock owing 
to 6 second pit stops and cars that weigh less than 1/3 the NASCAR 
tanks...

:-)

But FWIW, Fox owns Speed and they're using the same announcers for the 
next 4 races.

My only comment - don't use that GenX dude with the messed up hair to 
replace Peter Windsor in the pits... that would be tragic, indeed.

> Joe C.

regards,
rml
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jun  2 09:06:46 2009
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:06:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question
Message-ID: <20090602150655.058111885B9@autox.team.net>

Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
rear?  I am not aware on one.
Thanks
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 09:56:34 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:56:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <20090602150655.058111885B9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>

In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but these were on the rally 
cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums braked better.

Jonmac

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To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Question


> Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
> rear?  I am not aware on one.
> Thanks
> Walt Hollowell
> Abq., NM
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  2 10:18:35 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
Message-ID: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

John,

Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?

If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question

In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
these were on the rally
cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
braked better.

Jonmac

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: [Fot] Question


> Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on the
> rear? B I am not aware on one.
> Thanks
> Walt Hollowell
> Abq., NM
>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 10:57:07 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:57:07 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E2CA726AE44D480BA46676C02BCE0DD1@John>

With regard to FIA, I haven't a clue - but I'd doubt it. While TR's were
factory prepared (I think for Sebring?) the majority of competition work from
1965 thru 1973-ish was mostly with the 2000 and 2.5PI saloons on the European
and World Rallies. Have a look here
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JD-WV38kDzc/SY3g2MMtONI/AAAAAAAAC88/yeuGtO8aoGQ/XJB303H
+in+1985.jpg as it's one of the three former London Mexico City World Cup
Rally Cars of 1970. It's still around in private ownership and known as
XJB303H - its licence plate

Jonmac
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
  To: John Macartney
  Cc: fot
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


  John,

  Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?

  If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

  Jim G




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
  To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
<fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question

  In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
these were on the rally
  cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
braked better.

  Jonmac

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
  To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Question


  > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
the
  > rear?  I am not aware on one.
  > Thanks
  > Walt Hollowell
  > Abq., NM
  >
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 10:59:32 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR7 15 inch steel wheels?
In-Reply-To: <5DB0EAA7-DDFC-4213-9ED4-8F0C51F61D70@earthlink.net>
References: <65f1eaba0906011240s3694f0f6s52c1b400cdeb115a@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DB0EAA7-DDFC-4213-9ED4-8F0C51F61D70@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906020959g4d2a5e61x5b8dd257b3244e86@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen:

Thanks for all the help. With any luck the third LeMons race for the TR7
will allow us the chance to win outright. Now wouldn't that piss off all the
import tuner guys and Porsche snobs?

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer <
Lunkercars at earthlink.net> wrote:

> John,
> If the pattern is 4 x 96mm you might try older Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable.
> Pretty sure that is what a friend put on a Fiat 1500 vintage racer. That of
> course means the Fiat wheels would work too [I think they were 15"] but
> would likely not be wide enough to be of any help. The only Japanese car I
> can think of that would have that pattern on a 15 might be a 90's Subaru
> [WRX?] - the funny looking one with the window within a window.
> Hope this might be of some help.
> Greg
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 1:40 PM, John Nikas wrote:
>
>  Originally, the TR7 came with 13 inch wheels. Last year we saw a TR7 with
>> 15
>> inch steel wheels that came off some Japanese sports car. I know that the
>> bolt pattern on the TR7 is different from that of the TR2-6 range. I think
>> they are the same pattern as the Spitfire (later). Does anybody know what
>> steel wheels will fit on a TR7? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Very truly yours,
>>
>> John Nikas
>> Cape Coventry Racing
>> www.capecoventryracing.com
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 11:01:54 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:01:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
	<231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>

I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 (thanks
Kas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows whether a TR ran with
rear discs for SCCA that might work too.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>
> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>
> Jim G
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - but
> these were on the rally
> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
> braked better.
>
> Jonmac
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Question
>
>
> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
> the
> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > Thanks
> > Walt Hollowell
> > Abq., NM
> >
> > B _____
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun  2 11:50:34 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:50:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John>
	<231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e2c6ca6119b6e.4a25666a@optonline.net>

I think someone is running rear discs now in a TR3.  E-prod.  

----- Original Message -----
From: John Nikas 
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: fot 

> I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 
> (thanksKas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows 
> whether a TR ran with
> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, wrote:
> 
> > John,
> >
> > Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on 
> the rear ?
> >
> > If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
> >
> > Jim G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Macartney" 
> > To: "Walter Hollowell" , "'Friends of 
> Triumph' Triumph"
> > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / 
> La Paz /
> > Mazatlan
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> >
> > In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on 
> the rear - but
> > these were on the rally
> > cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and 
> rear drums
> > braked better.
> >
> > Jonmac
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walter Hollowell" 
> > To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Question
> >
> >
> > > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc 
> brakes on
> > the
> > > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > > Thanks
> > > Walt Hollowell
> > > Abq., NM
> > >
> > > B _____
> > >
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Tue Jun  2 12:37:34 2009
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:37:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<E2CA726AE44D480BA46676C02BCE0DD1@John>
Message-ID: <14FD1680360144C29816189AE501A4C7@PBA.INT>

Hi

As far as Im aware the Dunlop rear discs were only used by the factory on 
works Le Mans race cars, starting with the TR2, then TR3S and then  the TR4S 
'Sabrina' cars ....

Rumour has it that the assemblies were physically transferred from old cars 
to new, so that when the old cars were sold on by the Factory, which was 
their common practice, they left without a lot of the goodies on board. This 
probably because Ken Richardson had so little money to play with.

Im not sure on homologation, but if a car ran in the 24 Hour Le Mans race, 
wouldnt a similar car be able to run similar discs on the back ? ie. a TR2 
or TR3 ?

All the best

Tony


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
To: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


> With regard to FIA, I haven't a clue - but I'd doubt it. While TR's were
> factory prepared (I think for Sebring?) the majority of competition work 
> from
> 1965 thru 1973-ish was mostly with the 2000 and 2.5PI saloons on the 
> European
> and World Rallies. Have a look here
> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_JD-WV38kDzc/SY3g2MMtONI/AAAAAAAAC88/yeuGtO8aoGQ/XJB303H
> +in+1985.jpg as it's one of the three former London Mexico City World Cup
> Rally Cars of 1970. It's still around in private ownership and known as
> XJB303H - its licence plate
>
> Jonmac
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>  To: John Macartney
>  Cc: fot
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
>
>  John,
>
>  Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>
>  If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>
>  Jim G
>
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
>  To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>
>  In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - 
> but
> these were on the rally
>  cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
> braked better.
>
>  Jonmac
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>  To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Question
>
>
>  > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
> the
>  > rear?  I am not aware on one.
>  > Thanks
>  > Walt Hollowell
>  > Abq., NM
>  >
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun  2 13:26:10 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:26:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>

IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car rules 
SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


>I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6 (thanks
> Kas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows whether a TR ran with
> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the rear ?
>>
>> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>>
>> Jim G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
>> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph"
>> <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>> Mazatlan
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>>
>> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the rear - 
>> but
>> these were on the rally
>> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear drums
>> braked better.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
>> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Question
>>
>>
>> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc brakes on
>> the
>> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
>> > Thanks
>> > Walt Hollowell
>> > Abq., NM
>> >
>> > B _____
>> >
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>> http://www.spamfighter.com/len>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 13:54:44 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:54:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Question
In-Reply-To: <40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>
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	<40B7B695D0404A3887A648BB2D5AC937@rocky>
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Rocky Entriken wrote:

> IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car rules 
> SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.

I do not think that this conversion was allowed until about 1983 or so.

Prior to that, there were quite a few limits on what you were allowed to 
change. A 1972 GCR Triumph Prod car is a LOT different from a 1983 car 
was!

> --Rocky

regards,
rml
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From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:36:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
Message-ID: <d58.4237dc47.3756e73e@aol.com>

A lot of you guys probably know Jere. He was with Gary Hunter and I at 
Watkins Glen last Sept. He is restoring a TR4 and making it into a TR 250. He 
would like to be on the list and is joining our vintage racing team.

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun  2 14:52:48 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Question
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Roger THAT!  :-)

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; 
"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>
>> IIRC (I haven't dug out my book to look it up), in the Production Car 
>> rules SCCA allows cars with rear drum brakes to convert to disc.
>
> I do not think that this conversion was allowed until about 1983 or so.
>
> Prior to that, there were quite a few limits on what you were allowed to 
> change. A 1972 GCR Triumph Prod car is a LOT different from a 1983 car 
> was!
>
>> --Rocky
>
> regards,
> rml
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun  2 14:54:35 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:54:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
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References: <d58.4237dc47.3756e73e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e380d46d18018.4a25918b@optonline.net>

I drove a TR 250 in high school.  Coolest car in the student parking lot.

I second!!    Welcome Jere!


Todd Redmond
1958 TR3A


----- Original Message -----
From: GRMTim at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: [Fot] nominate Jere Dotten
To: FOT at autox.team.net, gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com

> A lot of you guys probably know Jere. He was with Gary Hunter 
> and I at 
> Watkins Glen last Sept. He is restoring a TR4 and making it into 
> a TR 250. He 
> would like to be on the list and is joining our vintage racing team.
> 
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Jun  2 15:23:48 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question
Message-ID: <20090602.152349.3816.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

>>>If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!

I wouldn't jump that far and assume RMVR will accept a car converted to
disc brakes. There are circumstances under which such a car may get on
track with RMVR, but not as a general rule. RMVR allows certain
exceptions to the 1967 & 1972 SCCA GCRs, but I do not believe they extend
to replacing drum brakes with disc brakes.  
Bill 

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes:
> John,
> 
> Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on the 
> rear ?
> 
> If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
> 
> Jim G
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Macartney" <standardtriumph at btinternet.com>
> To: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>, "'Friends of Triumph' 
> Triumph"
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz 
> /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> 
> In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on the 
> rear - but
> these were on the rally
> cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and rear 
> drums
> braked better.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Hollowell" <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Question
> 
> 
> > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc 
> brakes on the
> > rear? B I am not aware on one.
> > Thanks
> > Walt Hollowell
> > Abq., NM
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Tue Jun  2 18:38:56 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>

Hello Fot,
   I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
   Thanks,
    Dave H.


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun  2 20:23:34 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Mosport info/video needed
Message-ID: <20090603022407.2C5741888A7@autox.team.net>



From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  2 20:35:31 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <262D7C6F-96CE-4F29-BE8C-3A6D24760B2F@bnj.com>

Not sure about the lowering part, but the caster is nice. The lower
control arms are flat, can't see how flipping them would lower the
car.  Are you assuming some problem with using shorter springs?

If you don't already have Kas' books, it's a good time to get them.


On Jun 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:

> Hello Fot,
>   I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing.
> Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control
> arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about
> an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this
> also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of
> set up?
>   Thanks,
>    Dave H.
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun  2 20:58:12 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
Message-ID: <20090603025840.4BC6C1885C7@autox.team.net>

Let's try this as UNFORMATTED text.  Posting for Russ who seems to be 
having issues posting to the FOT.  Maybe the same formatting problem 
I had?   Anyway, Russ's request is below.

Thanks, Tony Drews

From: Spitfire Racing [mailto:Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:21 PM
To: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Subject: Mosport



I have coerced a fellow Spitfire jockey to head north and experience 
Mosport (aye!) with us later this month. Do any of you have lap 
footage from some of the previous years up there? Or a copy of the 
handout Johnny Greenwood passes out some times?

Thanks



Russ Moore

Spitfire 49


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun  3 05:15:55 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Drive... Bob Style
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906030710410.10768@isis.mit.edu>

Hey,

Check out this vid that I just posted:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlml3WErfQ

I could have been a bit smoother, but all-in-all I was very satisfied 
getting the old horse out again...

The comment about the drift was that my mechanic somehow left an 8" drift 
in the engine compartment that liberated itself on the first or second 
offset. The guy that returned it was less than pleased with the episode.

Doh!

c ya,
rml
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From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com  Wed Jun  3 05:20:50 2009
From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for a
MGVR'r but jist is there;

MGVR
	Racer Built	7
	Pro Built	5
FOT
	Racer Built 19
	Pro Built	3
	Partial assembly or some times	2

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bill Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:40 PM
To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

HI Gang - thanks Tony
Here are the updated tabular results from both the MG and Triumph gang.
Please
keep in mind this is purely curiosity. I actually have my engines
professionally built and am thankful for the results. Particularly on the A.
A friend of mine started doing his engines and as so many said: It adds to
the
enjoyment for him, and saves on the pocket book if you have the time and
inclination.
So here goes:

MGVR
	Racer Built	4
	Pro Built	3
FOT
	Racer Built 	13
	Pro Built	3
	Partial assembly or some times	2

I think the MGVR gang were hard at it in the garages this weekend getting
ready for  the Gold Cup. I am still at it - just taking a break before I
button the A back up.  So perhaps we will get some more responses a bit
latter.

Good luck to every one this season

Bill Bartlett
MGA Coupe 348
GT6 # unknown (Hopeful Fall Launch)


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:26 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines?

I build my own engines - learned the ropes from uncle jack (Dad).  If
I had to pay for that I would have a hard time affording the hobby.
But, I've cost myself quite a bit due to stupid mistakes too.  I put
together web pages detailing jack's engine building tips as well as a
couple of pictorials from my last couple of teardown / rebuilds to try
to help out others who are trying to do it themselves.  Of course,
Kas's books are invaluable!

I'm not pushing my site, just reminding folks that this resource is out
there.

http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm

I've done the tranny, overdrive, rear diff and all wiring too.

But, I have a knack for that kind of thing too - some folks just
aren't cut out to rebuild engines and transmissions.  No knock to
them, you need to have your brain wired a certain way for that stuff
to make sense, I think.

- Tony Drews

Quoting Bill Bartlett <BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com>:

> Curiosity
> Just wondering how many racers build their own engines vs have them
> professionally built and prepped?
> Bill B
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 06:41:58 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.

I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)

I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
all.

I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...

Scott


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Wed Jun  3 07:29:15 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:29:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question
References: <7C5728AF0C7443BCA740D34AFC603120@John><231617203.2032041243959515283.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><65f1eaba0906021001k319fe2bcgfeb476913878b550@mail.gmail.com>
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Am presently running rear disc's on the 'ol hot rod TR, Car mainly runs with 
SCCA  VP Class and E Prod. I agree that the '70s and '80s GCR would raise an 
eyebrow or two on this subject, but to date, nobody has ever questioned the 
car. Mark Pendy #65 TR4
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Question


>I think someone is running rear discs now in a TR3.  E-prod.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Nikas
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 1:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
> To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
> Cc: fot
>
>> I have the FIA homologation papers for all the Big TRs up to TR6
>> (thanksKas). No dice on rear disc brakes. If anybody knows
>> whether a TR ran with
>> rear discs for SCCA that might work too.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:18 AM, wrote:
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Does that mean the TR has FIA hologation with disc brakes on
>> the rear ?
>> >
>> > If so, our org., the RMVR will allow discs on the rear...woohoo!
>> >
>> > Jim G
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John Macartney"
>> > To: "Walter Hollowell" , "'Friends of
>> Triumph' Triumph"
>> >
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:56:34 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua /
>> La Paz /
>> > Mazatlan
>> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question
>> >
>> > In a word, No! They did play around with disc conversions on
>> the rear - but
>> > these were on the rally
>> > cars and it was found that cars equipped with larger disc and
>> rear drums
>> > braked better.
>> >
>> > Jonmac
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Walter Hollowell"
>> > To: "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'"
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:06 PM
>> > Subject: [Fot] Question
>> >
>> >
>> > > Did Triumph ever make a regular production car that had disc
>> brakes on
>> > the
>> > > rear? B I am not aware on one.
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Walt Hollowell
>> > > Abq., NM
>> > >
>> > > B _____
>> > >
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 07:31:47 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:31:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>

Dave,
 
FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front end.  It does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",  

Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, body off chassis etc.

Hope it works!
Todd Redmond
Triumph TR3

----- Original Message -----
From: Dlhogye at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Fot at autox.team.net

> Hello Fot,
> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for 
> racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower 
> control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front 
> about an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does 
> anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the 
> front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, 
> this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type 
> of set up?
> Thanks,
> Dave H.
> 
> 
> **************
> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  3 08:03:36 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:03:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
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Your assessment is correct.  The lower seal and the little button in 
the middle are what hold all of the cooling system pressure.  The 2nd 
thing to look at is how deep the well that the rad cap fits into 
is.  Older british cars seem to have a deeper well than is common 
now, causing the lower part of the radiator cap to not seal against 
anything causing zero pressure in the cooling system.  Someone 
(probably Moss or TRF) sells the caps with the longer actuating 
mechanism.  I've seen that problem on 2 or 3 different cars with 
inexplicable cooling problems.  The first one took a LONG time to 
diagnose, but after I was aware of that potential issue the others I 
was LOOKING for that problem.

If you have a rad cap with an overflow in the header tank, you could 
plug up the overflow from the radiator.  I think you should have only 
one pressure relief / overflow in the cooling system.

- Tony

At 07:41 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
>tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
>track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
>tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
>run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.
>
>I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
>reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)
>
>I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
>seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
>that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
>appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
>the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
>into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
>all.
>
>I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
>place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...
>
>Scott
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Jun  3 08:11:54 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:11:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tony Drews
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A55C672@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Tony,

As a "get by" at the track fix you can cut an inner tube and add 2 more
lower seals to a standard cap and it will hold enough pressure for most
cars. Don't ask how I know this!! PITA to get that second layer over the
button too! Have fun!!


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 08:24:01 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:24:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've replaced the cap with a new one, with all the parts in place.  It
still runs water out of the overflow tube, so I think we may have
another issue.

I measured the distance from the top sealing seat to the lower sealing
seat - approx. 0.750" -  and the distance on the new cap from the upper
seal to the lower seal - approx. 0.800".  That difference (0.050")
doesn't seem like enough of a difference to me.

Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
pressure?

Scott B.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Radiator Caps

Your assessment is correct.  The lower seal and the little button in
the middle are what hold all of the cooling system pressure.  The 2nd
thing to look at is how deep the well that the rad cap fits into
is.  Older british cars seem to have a deeper well than is common
now, causing the lower part of the radiator cap to not seal against
anything causing zero pressure in the cooling system.  Someone
(probably Moss or TRF) sells the caps with the longer actuating
mechanism.  I've seen that problem on 2 or 3 different cars with
inexplicable cooling problems.  The first one took a LONG time to
diagnose, but after I was aware of that potential issue the others I
was LOOKING for that problem.

If you have a rad cap with an overflow in the header tank, you could
plug up the overflow from the radiator.  I think you should have only
one pressure relief / overflow in the cooling system.

- Tony

At 07:41 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>Tony's recent comment about his radiator cap got me thinking about the
>tendency of my 1296 Spitfire motor to fry cylinder #4.  While at the
>track a couple of weekends ago, I pulled the overflow tube out of the
>tank and let it dangle, poured water in the header tank and watched it
>run out of the overflow tube - with the radiator cap ON.
>
>I'm assuming it's not supposed to do that.  (At this point, I'm
>reminding myself that there is no learning without humility...)
>
>I looked at the radiator cap and noticed that it does not have a lower
>seal and that the vacuum valve is not there.  I had always ass-u-me-d
>that was the way it was made.  But now that I'm thinking about it, it
>appears to me that it would allow water from the engine to flow through
>the hole where the vacuum valve usually is and out the overflow tube
>into the overflow tank, holding no pressure in the cooling system at
>all.
>
>I've replaced it with a new radiator cap, having both seals in
>place....and water still runs through - but that's a second question...
>
>Scott
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 08:39:47 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
Message-ID: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because 
we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 08:44:11 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions 
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts 
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.  
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2 
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this 
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.  
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them 
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo 
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they 
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of 
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  3 08:52:31 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924DB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< Is it because we are smarter than they are? >>

To make that conclusion, we'd need to also compare data on the
percentage of DNFs.  Then we'll really know who's smarter.  :-)

Scott



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:40 AM
To: Bill Bartlett
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because

we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r
for a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
Fot mailing list
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun  3 08:52:25 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:52:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
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I think you would have a tough time reading a whole lot into a scientific
study like this.  I amnot sure which group I fall into as sometimes I'm
rebuilding an engine for my Triumph and other times my MG and other times my
Renault powered car.  Ask how many Porsche guys rebuild their own engines.
This would be more interesting...............................Cheers Henry
Morrison

> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:39:47 -0500
> From: cartravel at pobox.com
> To: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> So, why the difference? Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%. Is it because
> we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
> > Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
a
> > MGVR'r but jist is there;
> >
> > MGVR
> > Racer Built 7
> > Pro Built 5
> > FOT
> > Racer Built 19
> > Pro Built 3
> > Partial assembly or some times 2
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  3 09:00:54 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
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Nope, it's because we have a very awake works team lead named Kas who is
inducing ideas to our minds which automatically leads to fine home made
engines.

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 16:40
An: Bill Bartlett
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
we are smarter than they are?

Bill Bartlett wrote:
> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
a
> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>
> MGVR
> 	Racer Built	7
> 	Pro Built	5
> FOT
> 	Racer Built 19
> 	Pro Built	3
> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun  3 09:01:34 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
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	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <401DF8ED-52E1-4E97-AD07-6B171E07C934@bnj.com>

Cheaper?

On Jun 3, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it  
> because we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an  
>> FOT'r for a
>> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>>
>> MGVR
>> 	Racer Built	7
>> 	Pro Built	5
>> FOT
>> 	Racer Built 19
>> 	Pro Built	3
>> 	Partial assembly or some times	2
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  3 09:16:56 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603151728.7D9C3188A98@autox.team.net>

The working cap on my TR-4 has between 40 and 50 thou of height 
difference between the cap measurement and the radiator "well" 
measurement.  The cap measures 0.780 to 0.790 and the radiator measures 0.740".

- Tony

At 09:24 AM 6/3/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've replaced the cap with a new one, with all the parts in place.  It
>still runs water out of the overflow tube, so I think we may have
>another issue.
>
>I measured the distance from the top sealing seat to the lower sealing
>seat - approx. 0.750" -  and the distance on the new cap from the upper
>seal to the lower seal - approx. 0.800".  That difference (0.050")
>doesn't seem like enough of a difference to me.
>
>Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
>pressure?
>
>Scott B.


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun  3 09:26:03 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>

Not to worry, that will work just fine.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: <Dlhogye at aol.com>
Cc: <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question


> Dave,
>
> FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front end.  It 
> does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book that I think 
> is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
>
> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, body 
> off chassis etc.
>
> Hope it works!
> Todd Redmond
> Triumph TR3
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>
>> Hello Fot,
>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
>> racing. Is it
>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
>> control arms.
>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
>> about an inch.
>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
>> anyone know
>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
>> front. I
>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
>> this also
>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
>> of set up?
>> Thanks,
>> Dave H.
>>
>>
>> **************
>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 09:57:38 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:57:38 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
Message-ID: <e3c1952d1eb65.4a269d72@optonline.net>

<<Not to worry, that will work just fine.>>  Now thats a confidence builder!!

Thanks Kas!!

Todd Redmond


----- Original Message -----
From: Kas Kastner 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:26 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com
Cc: Fot at autox.team.net

> Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> 
> 
> > Dave,
> >
> > FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front end. It 
> > does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in a book 
> that I think 
> > is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >
> > Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely 
> apart, body 
> > off chassis etc.
> >
> > Hope it works!
> > Todd Redmond
> > Triumph TR3
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> > Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> > To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >
> >> Hello Fot,
> >> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >> racing. Is it
> >> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >> control arms.
> >> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >> about an inch.
> >> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >> anyone know
> >> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >> front. I
> >> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >> this also
> >> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >> of set up?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dave H.
> >>
> >>
> >> **************
> >> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
> >> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
> >> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 10:02:59 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:02:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com> <4A268C3B.7010409@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6607F7@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Graham Davies here in Austin came up with the idea to shorten the a-arms in
this simple fashion (He had also shortened the upper a-arms for me when I
owned your car). It is the easiest way to address camber and looks pretty
stock to most everybody. I flipped the lower a-arms and got rid of the spring
spacers altogether with 550 lb Triumphtune front springs and the car was about
as low as it could get.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an
inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone
know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 10:06:01 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:06:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to 
> hold the pressure?

What I did was to remove the plug where the heater valve used to be, and
temporarily put in a pipe tee with a Schrader valve on one leg and a hose
barb on the other.  To the hose barb I connected my vacuum test gauge (which
also reads pressure to 10 psi).  Pressurize the system with an air hose
through the Schrader valve, then watch what the gauge does (and where the
air/water comes out).

I agree, .050" doesn't sound like enough (but measuring the cap that
accurately may be a problem).  Note that any radiator shop can replace that
3/4" reach filler neck with a modern one (1/2"?), giving you a whole range
of standard caps to choose from.

I don't recommend what I was doing for the test above : modifying a Stant
Lev-R-Vent cap to work with the longer reach neck.  It worked, but I
invested way too much time especially considering that the radiator shop
only charged me $20 to replace the neck (in conjunction with some other
work).

Randall


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jun  3 10:36:11 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
	<8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net>
	<4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906031235300.11086@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we 
> are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 10:46:02 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
TR3. You can lower the car by inverting the lower A arms, or cutting the
aluminum spacer if you are using it (as Larry did similarly). This gives you
much needed camber by using the TR6 trunnions and the TR6 upper A arms give
you positive caster that you can adjust if you use XJ6 upper ball joints. They
are narrower than the "6" uppers and adjust the caster using small shims ahead
of or behind the ball joint. This is how I built Randy Williams car, and just
did the mod on a street TR3 this past weekend. I should of snapped some
photos. Perhaps my son did.
Thanks - Ed - 

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com> wrote:


From: Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>, "Fot at autox.team.net"
<Fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:02 AM


Graham Davies here in Austin came up with the idea to shorten the a-arms in
this simple fashion (He had also shortened the upper a-arms for me when I
owned your car). It is the easiest way to address camber and looks pretty
stock to most everybody. I flipped the lower a-arms and got rid of the spring
spacers altogether with 550 lb Triumphtune front springs and the car was
about
as low as it could get.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question

I don't know the answer about the TR6 trunnion or flipping the trunnions
over.  The easiest was to lower a TR3 is to take material off the donuts
on top of the springs.  Remember, you are dealing with a lever ratio.
If I remember correctly, if you want to lower it an inch, take about 1/2
inch off the donut.  I lowered my car a little bit at a time with this
method.

We've discussed suspension a lot in the past, so check the archives.
When I was playing with my suspension, I wrote this little report.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/TRsuspension.PDF

There are many different ways to change the camber.  I think all of them
are technically illegal in CVAR.  If you shorten A arms, here is a photo
of a neat way to do it.  I'll call this the Kramer method, since they
were done that way on Bob Kramer's previous car.  Two short pieces of
pipe are welded in where the inside hole is off the flat.
http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/AArms02a.JPG

Larry Young

Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
> Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an
inch.
> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone
know
> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 10:48:58 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:48:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC>
Message-ID: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>

Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it.  I'll have to look for a copy of 
that book.  I thought I had them all. Who published it?

Kas Kastner wrote:
> Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
> To: <Dlhogye at aol.com>
> Cc: <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
>
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> FWIW  I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the front 
>> end.  It does give you an extra 1" lower.  I read about it in a book 
>> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
>>
>> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine completely apart, 
>> body off chassis etc.
>>
>> Hope it works!
>> Todd Redmond
>> Triumph TR3
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
>> To: Fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>> Hello Fot,
>>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
>>> racing. Is it
>>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
>>> control arms.
>>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
>>> about an inch.
>>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
>>> anyone know
>>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
>>> front. I
>>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
>>> this also
>>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
>>> of set up?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dave H.
>>>
>>>
>>> **************
>>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
>>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
>>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
>>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
>>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
>>> Fot mailing list
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>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 10:54:12 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
Message-ID: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the road
resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump wheelbarrows
of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say that
the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
much lower.
Have I opened a can of worms now?
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:


From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we
are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 11:15:54 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <597088.98566.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B5437CE6261042E4AAEA6954C59590B0@jdnet.deere.com>

> Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
> TR3.

Correct, but don't forget the vertical link.  If you keep the TR6 caliper
bracket, I believe you'll also need the later (smaller) rotor & caliper.

-- Randall 


From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Jun  3 11:21:11 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>

It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.  
Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

Randall wrote:
>> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to 
>> hold the pressure?
>>     
>
> What I did was to remove the plug where the heater valve used to be, and
> temporarily put in a pipe tee with a Schrader valve on one leg and a hose
> barb on the other.  To the hose barb I connected my vacuum test gauge (which
> also reads pressure to 10 psi).  Pressurize the system with an air hose
> through the Schrader valve, then watch what the gauge does (and where the
> air/water comes out).


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 11:26:35 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I think there are a lot of Prather engines out there in MG's. We don't have
such a ready source or we might have more pro-built motors in our ranks. Then
there is the data that we all share. It started back in the day with Kas, his
comp prep manuals and continues with him and all of us today.  WE should be
very proud, and the MG guys can eat those worms.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:54 AM
To: Larry Young; Robert Lang
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II

Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the
road
resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump wheelbarrows
of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say
that
the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
much lower.
Have I opened a can of worms now?
-Ed-

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:


From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM


On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:

> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because we
are smarter than they are?

No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.

:-)

rml
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun  3 11:47:50 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
	<4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>

> It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.
> Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

True, if you can reliably detect when it opens.  In my case it was leaking
even below 'opening' pressure.  I wasn't sure if the problem was the cap or
elsewhere, hence the static test (which showed that both an old cap and a
new one failed to hold even the rated 4 psi).

-- Randall 


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 11:54:08 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:54:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC> <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <e4feeb031e650.4a26b8c0@optonline.net>

I'll check when I get home.

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Young 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Kas Kastner 
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com, Fot at autox.team.net

> Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it. I'll have to look for a 
> copy of 
> that book. I thought I had them all. Who published it?
> 
> Kas Kastner wrote:
> > Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front 
> >> end. It does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in 
> a book 
> >> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >>
> >> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine 
> completely apart, 
> >> body off chassis etc.
> >>
> >> Hope it works!
> >> Todd Redmond
> >> Triumph TR3
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >>> Hello Fot,
> >>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >>> racing. Is it
> >>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >>> control arms.
> >>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >>> about an inch.
> >>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >>> anyone know
> >>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >>> front. I
> >>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >>> this also
> >>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >>> of set up?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dave H.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
> >>> We found the real bHotel Californiab and the b
> >>> Seinfeldb diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
> >>> (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-
> >>> 66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-A
> >>> t?ncid=emlcntnew00000007)
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com
> >>>
> >>> Fot mailing list
> >>> Fot at autox.team.net
> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>
> >> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 12:09:47 2009
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:09:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <547466.7316.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B6609A2@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <65f1eaba0906031109y537170e3g921ad286b02298ca@mail.gmail.com>

I think you guys like Robert and Christian have hit on the real reason for
the disparity. The Triumph competition department was really based here with
Kas and rather than hoarding information he spread the word and still does.
The Abingdon boys never had the information that we have (as well as a
living resource like Kas) to take advantage of. That (and the fact) we're
probably much more competent than anyone that drives an MG.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>wrote:

> I think there are a lot of Prather engines out there in MG's. We don't have
> such a ready source or we might have more pro-built motors in our ranks.
> Then
> there is the data that we all share. It started back in the day with Kas,
> his
> comp prep manuals and continues with him and all of us today.  WE should be
> very proud, and the MG guys can eat those worms.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf
> Of EDWARD BARNARD
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:54 AM
> To: Larry Young; Robert Lang
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> Running a shop I'm here to tell you that the MG owners are without a doubt
> cheaper than most TR owners. I owe this to the fact that MOST MG's on the
> road
> resell for less then a TR, and command less of an excuse to dump
> wheelbarrows
> of money into them. The MGB was the Miata of it's day. I'd venture to say
> that
> the TR was the Z3 of it's day. If not for Spec Miata, Miata prices would be
> much lower.
> Have I opened a can of worms now?
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>
> From: Robert Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
> To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
> Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 11:36 AM
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Larry Young wrote:
>
> > So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
> we
> are smarter than they are?
>
> No, we're triumph owners. we're so tight that we squeak.
>
> :-)
>
> rml
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Wed Jun  3 12:29:44 2009
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
Message-ID: <314995.30936.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Incorrect. For the purest's. the TR3 caliper is a direct bolt on to the TR6
caliper bracket. The TR3 caliper, rotor and hub can be retained. To do the mod
one needs the TR6 upper A arms, vertical link, trunnion, and upper ball joint.
You can use all the urethane bushes from a "6", even on the lower-inner A
arms. One thing that must been retained from the "3" is the steering arm. The
hole for the tierod end is a different diameter. Luckily, they bolt right up.
The arms are of different heights (and lengths) which helps when you are
trying to adjust bump steer, but if using the TR6 steering arm you need a
tierod with a larger diameter pin. I think, but am not 100% sure my memory
serves me correctly, a Stag tierod will work.
Thanks - Ed -

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 12:15 PM


> Group: Just for the record, the TR6 suspension will bolt directly onto the
> TR3.

Correct, but don't forget the vertical link.  If you keep the TR6 caliper
bracket, I believe you'll also need the later (smaller) rotor & caliper.

-- Randall
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Jun  3 12:57:10 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
In-Reply-To: <584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <20090603160601507.ELRP26412@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>
	<4A26B107.4010801@pobox.com>
	<584CF9A4552745EFBF217FABB3BF1628@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040B660B22@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

I have one of those radiator system pump testers with a gauge and it comes
with an attachment to test caps.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Randall
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:48 PM
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Radiator Caps

> It's even easier if you've got a compressor with a pressure regulator.
> Just adjust the pressure up until the cap opens.

True, if you can reliably detect when it opens.  In my case it was leaking
even below 'opening' pressure.  I wasn't sure if the problem was the cap or
elsewhere, hence the static test (which showed that both an old cap and a
new one failed to hold even the rated 4 psi).

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun  3 15:50:55 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Radiator Caps
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C740129249C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><20090603140402.ABFFA8C493@barracuda.mccarty-law.com>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012924C7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <16B3922F67904165B7F38B68D7931834@rocky>

> Any ideas as to how much the spring should be compressed to hold the
> pressure?
>
> Scott B.
>
>
I used to have a 7 lb cap on my G Prod (then) Spitfire with the Mk. 1 header 
tank atop the carbs.

Because it kept blowing water into the overflow bottle I went to a 15 lb. 
cap. Worked fine until I began blowing leaks in the header tank. Went back 
to the 7 lb. cap.

Later went to a Volkswagen aluminum radiator and got rid of the Mk. 1 
system.

--Rocky 


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Wed Jun  3 17:48:45 2009
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:48:45 +1000
Subject: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
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References: <20090526.204954.23084.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com><8cbd782d0905262137h2c90179dp90fea7c18fcadaa2@mail.gmail.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B0E3@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><20090531182625.7oc23a6qg0c4884g@www.tonydrews.com><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B169@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE987C205B60C@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net><4A268B33.8040507@pobox.com>
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Message-ID: <95331398F61A4563B523828E7C883115@GEOFFPC>

FOT
I started building race engines in early 1970 when I decided to race a GT6 
here in Australia . I got hold of Kas book , contacted his organisation and 
imported from him all the race  parts he supplied or developed . Car went 
like a rocket ( scared the shit out of me the first time I drove it at 
Warick Farm) the motor was very reliable though the powertrain had trouble 
handling the power, i kept breaking gearboxes and axles.
Those of us who race Triumphs are all indebted to Kas for the development 
work he did and to the fact he was so willing to share this knowledge and 
provide race proven gear to all. I'm sure I would not have had the enjoyment 
from racing a Triumph without this initiative. Thanks Kas,  your influence 
extends well beyond the borders of America.
I now race a TR6 PI and while the developments have gone well beyond what 
Kas was doing the foundations are there
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer down under



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II


> Nope, it's because we have a very awake works team lead named Kas who is
> inducing ideas to our minds which automatically leads to fine home made
> engines.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
> Auftrag von Larry Young
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Juni 2009 16:40
> An: Bill Bartlett
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] who builds their own engines? Update II
>
> So, why the difference?  Racer built - MGVR 58%, FoT 79%.  Is it because
> we are smarter than they are?
>
> Bill Bartlett wrote:
>> Ok gang, here is the final tally I think. I may have confuse an FOT'r for
> a
>> MGVR'r but jist is there;
>>
>> MGVR
>> Racer Built 7
>> Pro Built 5
>> FOT
>> Racer Built 19
>> Pro Built 3
>> Partial assembly or some times 2
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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jun  3 19:15:24 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:15:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KKO004SXWTZ3NA2@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:38 PM 6/2/2009, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote:
>Hello Fot,
>    I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for racing. Is it
>possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower control arms.
>It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front about an inch.
>Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does anyone know
>if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the front. I
>can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch, this also
>lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type of set up?
>    Thanks,
>     Dave H.

Dave, FWIW, I flipped the lower control arms on my TR4, which lowered 
the car about an inch.  I ran across this in a book called "How to 
Improve the TR2-TR4". I know, the title is heresy, but it had some good poop.

jim


--
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 


From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 19:55:08 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] need 1x23 no good input shaft fro alignment tool
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906031855s43bfa03dnfe0c509be7409c45@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have a no good 23x1 [spit?] input shaft or clutch alignment
tool they would part with?  Tired of my method of installing my dual
disk Quarter Master clutch pack [I put the pack on the tranny shaft,
install the tranny, then align and tighten the clutch bolts to the
flywheel using a2"  hole I drilled in the bottom of the case.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed Jun  3 20:50:30 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:50:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
In-Reply-To: <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
References: <bc4.4b8aa042.37572020@aol.com>
	<e4a0b6b618c76.4a267b43@optonline.net>
	<3766318C259B442387776B381154B8CF@KasPC> <4A26A97A.3010308@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <e380ec98225b7.4a273676@optonline.net>

To All;
 
The book I mentioned is called "How to improve Triumph TR2-4A. by Roger Williams.  Its was distributed by Speed Pro Series.  Pretty good stuff in there.

Todd


----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Young 
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
To: Kas Kastner 
Cc: alfetta95 at optonline.net, Dlhogye at aol.com, Fot at autox.team.net

> Neat trick. I wish I'd know about it. I'll have to look for a 
> copy of 
> that book. I thought I had them all. Who published it?
> 
> Kas Kastner wrote:
> > Not to worry, that will work just fine.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >
> >
> >> Dave,
> >>
> >> FWIW I flipped the lower arms on my 3 when rebuilding the 
> front 
> >> end. It does give you an extra 1" lower. I read about it in 
> a book 
> >> that I think is called "How to improve the Triumph TR3",
> >>
> >> Haven't tested it yet as I have no rear end, engine 
> completely apart, 
> >> body off chassis etc.
> >>
> >> Hope it works!
> >> Todd Redmond
> >> Triumph TR3
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Dlhogye at aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:45 pm
> >> Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension question
> >> To: Fot at autox.team.net
> >>
> >>> Hello Fot,
> >>> I'm beginning to set up the front suspension of my TR3 for
> >>> racing. Is it
> >>> possible to use a TR6 trunnion and bushing kit on TR3 lower
> >>> control arms.
> >>> It is my understanding that the TR6 trunnion lowers the front
> >>> about an inch.
> >>> Of course the upper arms from TR4A-TR6 would be used. Also, does
> >>> anyone know
> >>> if it's possible to flip the TR3 lower control arms to lower the
> >>> front. I
> >>> can see that doing so would lower the front, about a half inch,
> >>> this also
> >>> lowers the spring pan. Does anyone have any tips for this type
> >>> of set up?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dave H.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> **************
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From elkhorn at core.com  Thu Jun  4 04:07:01 2009
From: elkhorn at core.com (elkhorn at core.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot]  Corvair Hub End-Float]
Message-ID: <39095.198.208.159.18.1244110021.squirrel@newmail.core.com>

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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 09:30:58 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
Message-ID: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>

Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 with
stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
Thanks     rob


From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun  4 10:10:50 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>

It will still work of course, and the balance bar will be closer to  
the middle, but it's easier to carry spares for one size.
I'd go with the 3/4 because it gives a lot of brake feel.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, rob wrote:

> Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel  
> masters
> would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a  
> 3/4 bore
> for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for  
> a TR6 with
> stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood  
> caliper.
> Thanks     rob
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 10:25:43 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:25:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <838257099.385251244132743660.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Rob,

With a balance bar and two different diameters things might get a bit
confusing as far as balance.

It may work fine I just don't have that experience.

I just put on a pair of 3/4 wilwood masters to reduce pedal travel. In doing
so the pedal effort goes up.

According to Carrol SmithB a stiff pedal / high effort is better so that's
what I did.

I used 3/4 bores front & rear to keep the bias simple ( in my mind anyway )



jim g


From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:30:58 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] brakes

Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar B and duel masters
would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
for the rear B  also can anyone B sujest the correct size masters for a TR6
with
stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
Thanks B  B  rob
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  4 10:36:44 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:36:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
	<FDCE0E43-B15E-4DB4-943E-0902E3261A5F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAO9C74Pwl49KlQLhDUbCWogBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I'm going with 5/8" masters, otherwise I wouldn't be able to brake my car
properly. My muscles aren't strong enough.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Juni 2009 18:11
An: rob
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] brakes

It will still work of course, and the balance bar will be closer to
the middle, but it's easier to carry spares for one size.
I'd go with the 3/4 because it gives a lot of brake feel.

On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, rob wrote:

> Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel
> masters
> would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a
> 3/4 bore
> for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for
> a TR6 with
> stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood
> caliper.
> Thanks     rob
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Thu Jun  4 15:55:49 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:55:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 suspension follow up
Message-ID: <bcb.501a1ede.37599ce5@aol.com>

FoT
   Thanks for the response to my TR suspension questions. After more
fiddling with the lower arms, I've found that flipping the TR3 arms does not
change the position or raise the location of the upright. It only lowers the
spring pan which therefore lowers the front of the car. I'm still not sure if
the TR6 trunnion can be adapted to the TR3 arms. I'm going to get my hands on
a pair tomorrow. I should be able to find out then.
   Thanks again,
    Dave H.


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From goodparts at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 18:16:54 2009
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:16:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
Message-ID: <4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>

Quite a few factors contribute to determining the master cylinder size 
needed.  Weight balance of the car and other factors determine the 
amount of braking desired in the front vs. rear.  Rotor size, pad 
material and caliper piston area determine the PSI of hydraulic pressure 
required to cause the desired braking in each circuit.  Master cylinder 
piston area determines the amount of mechanical force required on the 
piston to produce the desired hydraulic pressure.  And of course 
mechanical leverage determines the amount of force needed on the pedal 
to produce the required mechanical force on the master cylinder piston. 

Depending on the equipment used, the required pressure can be quite 
different in the front and rear circuits. Large rotors and calipers with 
four big pistons in the rear will not require much pressure to do alot 
of braking.  If this is used with stock calipers in the front, alot more 
hydraulic pressure will be required in the front than the rear.  A 
larger rear master cylinder will be required to keep the balance bar 
reasonably centered.  With a single piston master cylinder, the front 
and rear circuits must be designed to produce the desired braking force 
with the same hydraulic pressure.  Doing the same with a dual master 
cylinder will allow the use of two identical cylinders.  Wilwood offers 
most of their calipers with a wide range of piston sizes to help in 
balancing the system.  However, if you need to change the hydraulic 
ratio of an existing system I am sure one master cylinder costs less 
than two calipers.

Increasing the hydraulic advantage by reducing the master cylinder 
piston area or increasing the caliper piston area or increasing the 
mechanical advantage will decrease the force required on the pedal.  
Going too far can make the pedal feel spongy.  I once worked on a 550 
Spyder replica that had "spongy" brakes.  There was no problem locking 
up the brakes but it felt like there was air in the system.  I finally 
gave up trying to bleed non existent air from the system and figured out 
that there was so much mechanical and hydraulic leverage that the 
calipers were over powered and flexing with little pedal effort.  I 
reduced the mechanical leverage in the pedal by a large percentage and 
fixed the problem.  Still plenty of braking without too much pedal 
effort and now a nice firm pedal.  A larger master cylinder would have 
done the same thing.  Of course if you go too far in that direction you 
will not be able to stomp hard enough on the firm pedal to stop the car.

Richard Good
Good Parts

rob wrote:

>Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
>would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 bore
>for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 with
>stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
>Thanks     rob
>_______________________________________________


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 08:00:57 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:00:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup    2010
Message-ID: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>



From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 08:55:56 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:55:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605140136.B94161893E2@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c9e5ed$bb764530$3262cf90$@net>

Hey JR when is summit point new track going to open?
Did Kastner ever race on that track? (Marlboro)
If so that would be a great places to have it 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:01 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Kastner Cup 2010
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 09:11:44 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
Message-ID: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>

It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...

Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:

- Tony

Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:

It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.

look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/

I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I 
could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I 
ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.


From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 09:36:33 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:36:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>

So how does Joe Alexander drop off the FOT list?

On Jun 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Tony Drews wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as  
> I could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I  
> ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other  
> lists.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Fri Jun  5 09:37:13 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:37:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
Message-ID: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>

FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
Mark Pendy #65 tr4


From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 09:59:22 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a bit biased, but NJMP would be the perfect venue for the Kastner Cup.
The track is owned by the same people who own VIR, so expect the same level
of professionalism when you arrive. Both tracks (Lightning and
Thunderbolt) don't award one type of car over another, so the four cylinder
cars should have a good chance of running with the six cylinder cars and
would produce some fantastic racing. SVRA and VRG both have events
there. The track is super easy to get to from all directions (~40 minutes
from Philadelphia). It's also twenty minutes away from the former Vineland
Speedway which was a roval similar to Marlboro.

As neat as Summit Point is, the track is in rough shape, even after the
repave last year and the Jefferson circuit is too small for "real" racing.

Bob Adams


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I could
> find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I ddint want
> folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 10:10:05 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:10:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I'm down for that, Topeka is only 530 miles, 2 or 3 hour drive for the
Fleetwood bullet train.

jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 9:11:44 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup B  B 2010

It LOOKED like it was plain text! B Apparently not...

Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:

- Tony

Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:

It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.

look at: B  B http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/

I am not on the FOT B list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I
could find on my address book/ B  The word will be getting out so I
ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 10:27:13 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
In-Reply-To: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906050927x131f031fj9e483f5668c31c25@mail.gmail.com>

Try Joe Gibbs break in oil.  I got mine from HRP [Hoerr Racing
Products]  --on the web.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Mark Pendergrass<mpendy at dishmail.net> wrote:
> FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
> leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
> Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
> Mark Pendy #65 tr4
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



-- 
Chuck Arnold


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 11:29:29 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A BRIEF TRIUMPH HISTORY
Message-ID: <EC402CA198134F1996FB28BAA347241F@Bud>

Triumph(GB).... A motorcycle manufacturer since 1903, Triumph moved into car
production in 1923. It developed a semi-sporting image, before going out of
business in 1939. The marque was resurrected by Standard in 1945, building
sports cars until 1981, and saloons until 1984...From... Guinness Book Of Car
Facts And Feats.
Racer Bud


From adams910 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 11:39:08 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<342577168.658161244218205920.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <673993c50906051039l19d037frc06658adc7b2a42a@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, didn't see the link. Maybe 2012?

Bob


From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 12:29:36 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010
In-Reply-To: <673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<673993c50906050859m5dcd3d99g17b287954ee985b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c9e60b$94c97830$be5c6890$@net>

Bob That's what I'm talking about; it WILL be Marlboro it''''''s Summit
points new track
Not the Jefferson< Also the Jefferson is not the main track 

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Adams
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Tony Drews
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2010

I'm a bit biased, but NJMP would be the perfect venue for the Kastner Cup.
The track is owned by the same people who own VIR, so expect the same level
of professionalism when you arrive. Both tracks (Lightning and
Thunderbolt) don't award one type of car over another, so the four cylinder
cars should have a good chance of running with the six cylinder cars and
would produce some fantastic racing. SVRA and VRG both have events
there. The track is super easy to get to from all directions (~40 minutes
from Philadelphia). It's also twenty minutes away from the former Vineland
Speedway which was a roval similar to Marlboro.

As neat as Summit Point is, the track is in rough shape, even after the
repave last year and the Jefferson circuit is too small for "real" racing.

Bob Adams


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

> It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>
> Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>
> - Tony
>
> Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>
> It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>
> look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>
> I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as I
could
> find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I ddint want
> folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other lists.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
Fot mailing list
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 13:03:09 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
proper ZDDP content?

Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover all
the bases)


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jun  5 13:30:04 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:30:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?

If you want to split hairs, you really want API SG. The reduction started 
then.

But oil that has the SL rating has been sitting "for a while" (like 10 
years) and the additives package is most likely not as effective as new 
oil would be, e.g. it's not fresh.

> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover all
> the bases)

rml
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 13:34:06 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906051528020.18596@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292795@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Wow, can it really be 10 years since I bought that oil?  I'd swear I
bought it maybe 3 or 4 years ago, if that long...  Cripes, am I that old
already??

Scott
PS, I bought some fresh stuff when I stopped at the parts place to pick
up the header wrap to keep the new exhaust pipe from setting the trans
blanket on fire...   Will add the Redline ZDDP additive to it and go
racin'.



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Lang [mailto:lang at isis.mit.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:30 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] SL-rated oil

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?

If you want to split hairs, you really want API SG. The reduction
started
then.

But oil that has the SL rating has been sitting "for a while" (like 10
years) and the additives package is most likely not as effective as new
oil would be, e.g. it's not fresh.

> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover
all
> the bases)

rml
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 13:47:37 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SL-rated oil
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292786@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <461D6E10-4FB0-4EFC-8D11-A0FB916F3139@bnj.com>

Drop it in and have at it.

FWIW, here's my first startup procedure:

Put a big fan that some contractor left at your house in front of the  
radiator. Hook up the timing light. Set a flat screwdriver for the  
idle screw and wrenches for adjusting the timing where I can reach  
them. Tape cardboard over the oil cooler.

Smear a lot of moly on the cam and lifter faces, set the valves about . 
010 looser than spec,  before the initial run, dump in some cheap oil  
and some ZDDP, pump everything up to working pressure with a drill to  
drive the oil pump. Push the accusump piston to the bottom, fill the  
accusump with oil, put on the valve (closed) and pressurize it to 60  
pounds. Put the dizzy back in, open the accusump and start the motor  
when oil pressure start to drop. Once the engine starts I set the idle  
to 2000 RPM, and set the timing. I watch everything, ready to shut  
down if I need to. Let the water temp come up to normal, and if  
possible, let the engine run until oil temperature comes up to normal  
temperature. For me that's water at 190, oil over 200.

Let everything stabilize at 2000. Blip the throttle a few times to be  
sure everything sounds right. Check fuel pressure, oil pressure and  
look for leaks.

Shut down, dump the oil and look for metal or other nasties, pull the  
oil filter and cut it open, look for crap. open the accusump, let  
everything drain for half an hour or more.

If you're really feeling anal, do a leakdown of each cylinder and pull  
the head to look at the cam and lifters.

Refill with a zillion bucks worth of your favorite racing oil.

Race.

On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> I've got half a case of SL-rated Castrol GTX 20w50 on the shelf.  Did
> the oil manufacturers switch to the SM rating at the same time as the
> ZDDP content was dropped?  I.e., what are the chances this oil has the
> proper ZDDP content?
>
> Scott  ( who has some Redline ZDDP additive to drop in just to cover  
> all
> the bases)
> _______________________________________________
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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 14:04:36 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
Message-ID: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>

What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun  5 14:49:46 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Why?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??


From horizonracing at msn.com  Fri Jun  5 14:49:55 2009
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:49:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>

A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.

www.sovren.org for entries etc.



FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.



Cheers

Tony Garmey





> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
name of winmail.dat]
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 14:59:41 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <37DD5B6BE3084FABB01375C4D9575616@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

It's all on Sovren's web site:

http://www.sovren.org/

Make sure to check out the car registration form in addition to the entry
form.



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of jim hearn
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:05 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?


What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?

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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Fri Jun  5 15:22:08 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
	<BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Where should we stay, i.e. is there a place that the FoT will be gathering?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tony and Annie Garmey
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:50 PM
To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] What is needed to compete?

A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.

www.sovren.org for entries etc.



FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.



Cheers

Tony Garmey





> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race in the
> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun  5 15:43:59 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:43:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Why?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3FAD5AF775074D37842A97A8DCCD3A5D@jdnet.deere.com>

> Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
> prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??

Murphy was an optimist !!

-- Randall 


From Lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jun  5 15:49:24 2009
From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:49:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Why?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012927A8@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <D75CE867-F4ED-4918-9E97-CBF3EA711AF3@earthlink.net>

Somehow related to how a few drops of brake fluid will prove superior  
to the most expensive stripper - unless you actually try to use brake  
fluid AS a paint stripper in which case it won't work at all.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM
On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Ever wonder why you have to work so hard to get paint to stick to a
> prepared surface, but overspray onto any old surface wears like iron??
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  5 16:02:45 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
References: <000001c9e618$dc4d8040$b1191718@computer>
	<BLU136-W245F2AF7CA74AC501F8F1BB2480@phx.gbl>
	<CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040BBBBE9D@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <D1C18D60-BC64-4587-A7FC-6B83954D6750@bnj.com>

Kas is staying at the Red Lion close to the track, I need to hustle my  
butt over there and negotiate a rate.



On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote:

> Where should we stay, i.e. is there a place that the FoT will be  
> gathering?
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On Behalf
> Of Tony and Annie Garmey
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:50 PM
> To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>
> A current VMC med. plus a fia/scca/vmc lic.
>
> www.sovren.org for entries etc.
>
>
>
> FYI to all coming : get your hotel rooms booked earliy.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony Garmey
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:04:36 -0700
>> Subject: [Fot] What is needed to compete?
>>
>> What requirements (license, etc) and/or fees are required to race  
>> in the
>> Labor Day weekend British event at Portland Raceway?
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef  
>> which had a
> name of winmail.dat]
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Fri Jun  5 17:51:49 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:51:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>

I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had.  I bought a
new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
and I was able to shift gears.

I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
back together and watched the operation,  the arm was moving forward. In
case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
no good.

Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
with him on what he saw or did.

Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.

thanks
mike

63 Spitfire race car
70 GT6
71 Spitfire
72 Spitfire
79 Spitfire
80 Spitfire


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Fri Jun  5 19:41:34 2009
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:41:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
In-Reply-To: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
Message-ID: <0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>

At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>Mark Pendy #65

Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said 
failing that, Valvoline Racing Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) 
or Penzoil.  My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but Gibb's 
website says the oil should be pre-heated to 160 for full 
effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear it now: "Far up the grill, boys, 
we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a source for the Brad Penn 
juice, will look for it if you need their number in VA.

jim

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'63 TR4 in autox preparation
96% finished, 90% to go 


From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 19:46:27 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup    2010
In-Reply-To: <D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>
References: <20090605151226.F03E0187653@autox.team.net>
	<D2EBE1C3-A40D-4C9A-9D04-C1D1B6C8ECE9@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20090606014722.83749187672@autox.team.net>

I'm guessing he unsubscribed while on Holiday at the Monaco Grand Prix.

- Tony

At 10:36 AM 6/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote:
>So how does Joe Alexander drop off the FOT list?
>
>On Jun 5, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>>It LOOKED like it was plain text!  Apparently not...
>>
>>Try #2 - from Joe Alexander who dropped off the list for a while:
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>Press release by Gary Fuqua and Bill Brinke:
>>
>>It should be a good one.......Kas is enthusiastically in place.
>>
>>look at:    http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/
>>
>>I am not on the FOT  list, at the moment, so I just sent as many as
>>I could find on my address book/   The word will be getting out so I
>>ddint want folks to find out from a magazine or any of the other
>>lists.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun  5 20:06:22 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@
	us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20090606020646.46724187672@autox.team.net>

You didn't put the clutch disk in backwards, did you?  It acts really 
strange if you do.  I triple check when assembling because it's a 
very easy mistake to make.

- Tony

At 06:51 PM 6/5/2009, George Harmuth wrote:
>I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
>the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
>since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
>the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
>worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
>1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
>way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had.  I bought a
>new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
>up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
>clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
>the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
>We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
>off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
>gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
>wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
>was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
>and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
>and I was able to shift gears.
>
>I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
>arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
>the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
>back together and watched the operation,  the arm was moving forward. In
>case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
>bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
>notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
>no good.
>
>Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
>old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
>engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
>cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
>raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
>there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
>never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
>I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
>with him on what he saw or did.
>
>Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
>the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
>cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
>but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.
>
>thanks
>mike
>
>63 Spitfire race car
>70 GT6
>71 Spitfire
>72 Spitfire
>79 Spitfire
>80 Spitfire
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 20:30:07 2009
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:30:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] You gotta see this TR3
In-Reply-To: <EC9BC172E5BD4DBA9EB6687EBADAB67C@jdnet.deere.com>
References: <1992336834.259531244062938978.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><AA35527ECB7B485196B7A22F6A92B1A3@DCS78M81><f82ece97132e3.4a28a525@optonline.net><DB6FC21A581C471DA86499B50E45289D@CarlPC>
	<26FB156B1D634E9AB7537103A4D09AA5@PetePC>
	<EC9BC172E5BD4DBA9EB6687EBADAB67C@jdnet.deere.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c9e64e$b534e530$1f9eaf90$@net>

I bet there's some Purists' flipping out now.

Craig


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 6:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] You gotta see this TR3

Oh NO!

I must've lived too long in Hoosierland ... I kinda like it!

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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  5 20:31:09 2009
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.6252.1244238571.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OF6B9D5AC8.B7D00F91-ON852575CC.0080182A-852575CC.008319CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BAY125-W5B0EBEC07650F0299076FDA490@phx.gbl>

Mike,  On the Spit engines and the TR6/GT6 when the thrust washers wear out
they fall into the oil pan.  Check and make sure that you don't have too much
crank end play.  The pedal travel that you need to disengage the clutch is
used up in moving the crank ahead in the block.   Lorne
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:51:49 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem
>
> I have a problem here I've never seen before. My son has a 72 Spitfire for
> the street, we picked it up last year and only out a 1000 miles at most on
> since then. His clutch disk broke last week, when we pulled the tranny off
> the car all that was left of the clutch was the center hub, the rest was
> worn down and broken off. The pressure plate had groves worn in it over a
> 1/4 inch deep, the flywheel was fine. I figured the clutch had been on it's
> way out for a while which explained the hard shifting he had. I bought a
> new pressure plate, clutch disk and throw out bearing, cleaned everything
> up, changed the tranny oil and put it back together. We had replaced the
> clutch master and slave cylinders over the winter due to leakage, so all
> the wearable parts of the clutch system are new.
> We fired it up today and I couldn't engage it in gear. I shut the engine
> off, was able to run through the gears and tried to start it up with it in
> gear. With the clutch pressed all the way in, to the floor boards, it
> wouldn't completely disengage, the car would creep forward unless my foot
> was on the brake. When I did let the clutch out, there was a grinding noise
> and shuddering as the pedal came up. Once it was in gear, the noise stopped
> and I was able to shift gears.
>
> I pulled the slave cylinder and made sure the pin to the throw out bearing
> arm was engaged properly to the internals of the slave and it was. I worked
> the pedal and I had at least an inch of movement on the piston. We put it
> back together and watched the operation, the arm was moving forward. In
> case there was any air left in the system from the cylinder replacement, we
> bleed it again. I made sure the slave was positioned as far forward in the
> notch and the collar was tight so there was maximum throw on the arm, still
> no good.
>
> Looking back, I'm thinking that we had an existing problem that caused the
> old clutch to wear abnormally and fall apart. We're going to pull the
> engine again tomorrow and check the throw out bearing arm for bends or
> cracks although a casual inspection and cleaning when I had it out didn't
> raise any suspicion. It looked like the tranny had been removed before,
> there were some newer bolts in the housing but the guy I bought it from
> never used the car, it was a project that he picked up a few years ago, so
> I have no way of contacting the owner who did the work to compare notes
> with him on what he saw or did.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this? Anything I should check either before
> the engine gets pulled or after? Could I have the wrong diameter slave
> cylinder? Would that cause me to lose some throw? I replaced what was there
> but I don't know off hand which size I have on there.
>
> thanks
> mike
>
> 63 Spitfire race car
> 70 GT6
> 71 Spitfire
> 72 Spitfire
> 79 Spitfire
> 80 Spitfire
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From mrtommmmm at netscape.net  Fri Jun  5 22:08:48 2009
From: mrtommmmm at netscape.net (mrtommmmm at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hi guys, am i still on the fot mailist?
Message-ID: <8CBB473A06119D3-FC0-21CE@WEBMAIL-MZ35.sysops.aol.com>

havent seen anything in over a week? 
thx ....t.a. moser


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun  6 07:18:40 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:18:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys>
	<0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <D15887A26F14453CA4D86928ED82EA53@hp532n>

I think that there is a ton of information out there now which is out of 
date. VR1 20w50 off the shelf at Auto Zone has ZDDP again and has for a 
while, but if we search the Internet we can find all sorts of tales about it 
not having it. We all found out too late that they took it out and now that 
it is back all we can read is that it doesn't have it. I think the same may 
be true for Castrol 20w50 and possibly others. Since cars we buy these days, 
the ones that get hurt by ZDDP,  all seem to be running 5w or 10w30 the 
marketers realized that there was no reason to sell 20w50 except for us guys 
so they are putting it back in because we were all sourcing other brands. I 
used VR1 successfully for years and now I'm back to it, with Crane Cam lube 
for break ins. That's my guess anyway.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil


> At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a 
>>person
>>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>>Mark Pendy #65
>
> Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said failing 
> that, Valvoline Racing Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) or Penzoil. 
> My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but Gibb's website says the oil 
> should be pre-heated to 160 for full effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear it 
> now: "Far up the grill, boys, we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a 
> source for the Brad Penn juice, will look for it if you need their number 
> in VA.
>
> jim
>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 08:24:23 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:24:23 +0100
Subject: [Fot] break-in oil
References: <85FA7735721C48869AD2DDF955377890@Pendys><0KKS00878NDK1L0G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net>
	<D15887A26F14453CA4D86928ED82EA53@hp532n>
Message-ID: <A399BC388AF54F798E9829D4F2658DE4@John>

Are Comma oils sold in the US?
Comma Classic 20W/50 is the same spec as in the late 60's/70's but with certain useful enhancers of 
modern technology oils - but also with generous dollops of ZDDP as well.

Jonmac

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>; "J.C. 
Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil


>I think that there is a ton of information out there now which is out of date. VR1 20w50 off the 
>shelf at Auto Zone has ZDDP again and has for a while, but if we search the Internet we can find 
>all sorts of tales about it not having it. We all found out too late that they took it out and now 
>that it is back all we can read is that it doesn't have it. I think the same may be true for 
>Castrol 20w50 and possibly others. Since cars we buy these days, the ones that get hurt by ZDDP, 
>all seem to be running 5w or 10w30 the marketers realized that there was no reason to sell 20w50 
>except for us guys so they are putting it back in because we were all sourcing other brands. I used 
>VR1 successfully for years and now I'm back to it, with Crane Cam lube for break ins. That's my 
>guess anyway.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
> To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] break-in oil
>
>
>> At 11:37 AM 6/5/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>>FOTrs; Would Delo 400 15-40 be suitable for a break-in oil and would a person
>>>leave it in for a race weekend. I do have a reground cam and new lifters.
>>>Would a person still put an additional ZDDP additive.Thank You in advance.
>>>Mark Pendy #65
>>
>> Isky **strongly** recommended Brad Penn Break-In Oil.  They said failing that, Valvoline Racing 
>> Oil 20W-50 (NOT the "VR-1 Racing Oil) or Penzoil. My local NAPA store can get Joe Gibbs oil, but 
>> Gibb's website says the oil should be pre-heated to 160 for full effectiveness.  Yeah, I can hear 
>> it now: "Far up the grill, boys, we're gonna cook us up some oil."  I found a source for the Brad 
>> Penn juice, will look for it if you need their number in VA.
>>
>> jim
>>
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>> --
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>> Blacksburg VA
>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sat Jun  6 09:10:36 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:10:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: trans-blanket
Message-ID: <43CDC286941C4CC5BDD0062CC682AEA2@Pendys>

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Pendergrass
To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: trans-blanket


Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your
e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but no
stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. Any
ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send to your
e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil question!!


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Jun  6 20:43:26 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their "universal" blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two mounting tabs to bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole bellhousing and it's wide enough to cover the front half of the trans as well.

There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the trans, but who knows.

It wasn't that expensive, either.

Scott B.


________________________________

From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net> 
To: Barr, Scott 
Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
Subject: Fw: trans-blanket 


 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>  
To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>  
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: trans-blanket

Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil question!!


From billb at bnj.com  Sat Jun  6 21:38:04 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <90A9F792-309F-4A86-AD15-45B163D8D475@bnj.com>

I've decided I prefer a metal plate to a ballistic blanket. I don't  
have any passenger legs to protect, and the zone for ballistic  
protection seems limited enough to make a steel plate a practical  
solution. There is always the possibility of bouncing stuff off the  
pavement, but I think that's a modest risk.

On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their  
> "universal" blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two  
> mounting tabs to bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole  
> bellhousing and it's wide enough to cover the front half of the  
> trans as well.
>
> There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the  
> trans, but who knows.
>
> It wasn't that expensive, either.
>
> Scott B.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: Barr, Scott
> Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
> Subject: Fw: trans-blanket
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: trans-blanket
>
> Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on  
> your e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and  
> or jegs but no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy,  
> you gotta luv it. Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65  
> tr4  PS. could not send to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for  
> the info. on my break-in oil question!!
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sat Jun  6 23:44:14 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:44:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] trans-blanket
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3D80@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <003701c9e732$fe35ce90$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

I had taken a transmission to Diest Safety several years ago and had these 
SFI rated ballistic blankets made up.  these are about 1/2 inch layered 
balistic nylon.  They fit perfectly as they are cut to fit our 
transmissions.Tr3/4/6.  They have a reflective aluminized side where the 
header pipe is.  Several tabs up front and bolts to the transmission bell, 
wraps around and ties together on bottom with double d rings and straps. 
They use the same stuff on Dragsters and seems to work for their needs.
Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
Triple R Munitions, Inc.
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx
GMT -8 Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] trans-blanket


> We got ours from Racer's Choice someplace in Texas. It's their "universal" 
> blanket - ballistic material with three straps and two mounting tabs to 
> bolt to the bellhousing. You can wrap the whole bellhousing and it's wide 
> enough to cover the front half of the trans as well.
>
> There may be a bit of an issue in retaining too much heat in the trans, 
> but who knows.
>
> It wasn't that expensive, either.
>
> Scott B.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: Barr, Scott
> Cc: friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat Jun 06 10:10:36 2009
> Subject: Fw: trans-blanket
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Mark Pendergrass <mailto:mpendy at dishmail.net>
> To: sbarr @ McCarty-Law.com <mailto:sbarr%20@%20McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: trans-blanket
>
> Scott; You made mention of a trans. blanket ie; ballistic blanket on your 
> e-mail about breakin oils, have tried to order from summit and or jegs but 
> no stock and don't know when they will see them, boy, you gotta luv it. 
> Any ideas?? Thanks for your input, Mark Pendy #65 tr4  PS. could not send 
> to your e-mail address. THANKS to all for the info. on my break-in oil 
> question!!
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Jun  7 08:53:18 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 07:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
Message-ID: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>

FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a couple
of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift on
intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as it
would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off by
5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some input.
Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun  7 09:47:32 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
Message-ID: <20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>

Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the 
closing event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between 
opening and closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you 
really want the centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the 
opening on time but the closing is two degrees late, I move the 
opening one degree earlier so I split the difference.  Then it opens 
one degree early, closes one degree late and the centerline should be 
where I want it to be.

- Tony Drews

At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
>Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a couple
>of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift on
>intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as it
>would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off by
>5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some input.
>Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>_______________________________________________
>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Sun Jun  7 09:58:49 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:58:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<4a2be120.180bca0a.5677.ffffb958SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E6C794E822E547A2AF256C5564762015@Pendys>

Tony and JC. THANKS, I am headed out to the shop!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: "Mark Pendergrass" <mpendy at dishmail.net>; "friends of triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] timing issues


> Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the closing 
> event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between opening and 
> closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you really want the 
> centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the opening on time but 
> the closing is two degrees late, I move the opening one degree earlier so 
> I split the difference.  Then it opens one degree early, closes one degree 
> late and the centerline should be where I want it to be.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>>FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I have a
>>Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After a 
>>couple
>>of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. lift 
>>on
>>intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on it as 
>>it
>>would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting off 
>>by
>>5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need some 
>>input.
>>Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>>_______________________________________________
>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>>http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jun  7 10:08:55 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:08:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
Message-ID: <CF90BA35-A349-43FA-82D7-9DF2726AC685@bnj.com>

All depends, Mark. If you have an adjustable sprocket (and it sounds  
like you do or you probably wouldn't be worrying about this) then what  
you really want to do is set the cam close to erson specs and then  
scribe a line on the sprocket to indicate that setting. Once you have  
the engine done and running in the car you may eventually stick it on  
a dyno. If you do that, cam advance is one of the most important  
things to play with.

The little change you see with the tensioner doesn't matter.  Remember  
that when the engine is running the cam chain will always be tight on  
the leading side (opposite the tensioner). You're seeing the cam chain  
pulled back by the tensioner, that's more like where the cam will be  
when the engine is running, only moreso. But the cam will work well  
over a range of settings. If you fiddle with it on the dyno you'll be  
seeing changes with settings more like 10 degrees advanced or  
retarded. In my experience a degree or so has no detectable effect.

Finally, realize that absent an adjustable sprocket the closest you  
can come to cam builder's specs is probably three degrees or so, and  
only that with a lot of sprocket flopping.


On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Mark Pendergrass wrote:

> FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I  
> have a
> Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After  
> a couple
> of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50  
> thou. lift on
> intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on  
> it as it
> would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting  
> off by
> 5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need  
> some input.
> Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jun  7 14:16:39 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:16:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>

I may be in the minority here, but I don't use the 0.050 numbers when I 
set up a cam.  I set it strictly using intake lobe centerline, which is 
what Tony is suggesting. The reason for this is that you can measure the 
centerline more accurately.  Rather than just measuring at 0.050 on each 
side, I suggest you measure the open and closing angles at lifts of 
0.200, 0.250 and 0.300 or something similar.  This will give 6 numbers 
that when averaged will give a very accurate centerline number.  
Probably overkill when you can only get within + or - 2 degrees, but you 
will know what you've got.  And yes, always turn the crank in the 
direction the motor turns, so you have tension on the chain.
Larry Young

Tony Drews wrote:
> Set your specs with tension on the chain.  Also, verify that the 
> closing event is where you expect.  Sometimes the duration between 
> opening and closing doesn't exactly match the cam card, and you really 
> want the centerline on the cam card spec.  So, if I have the opening 
> on time but the closing is two degrees late, I move the opening one 
> degree earlier so I split the difference.  Then it opens one degree 
> early, closes one degree late and the centerline should be where I 
> want it to be.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 09:53 AM 6/7/2009, Mark Pendergrass wrote:
>> FOT'RS; It's crunch time for me out west here, i have a question. I 
>> have a
>> Erson B23 cam that i'am try to set up in relation to my crank. After 
>> a couple
>> of tries i got the crank/cam set to erson specs. 29BTDC with 50 thou. 
>> lift on
>> intake lobe.When i take the cam chain tensioner and put pressure on 
>> it as it
>> would have with the cover in place, it wants to throw my cam setting 
>> off by
>> 5-6 thou.Do i set my specs with tension on chain or not??? I need 
>> some input.
>> Thank You !!!!   Mark Pendy #65 tr4
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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>
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From billb at bnj.com  Sun Jun  7 16:18:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] timing issues
In-Reply-To: <4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
	<4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <44CA6EC9-85A9-4A20-A77C-28E9800BF7E3@bnj.com>

I agree, I always use centerlines. If for no other reason than it's  
easier.  I always degree the cam anyway to see what I've got. I go the  
extra mile and do it for each cylinder so I can detect any grinding  
errors. I once sent a cam back for a substantial error on the #4  
cylinder.

Doesn't take that long, especially if I have the wife reading the dial  
indicator as I advance the motor.  I also always use an adjustable  
sprocket so I can tweak the advance. Of course having done that I  
haven't stuck a motor on the dyno in years, so it's a waste of money.

On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> I may be in the minority here, but I don't use the 0.050 numbers  
> when I set up a cam.  I set it strictly using intake lobe  
> centerline, which is what Tony is suggesting. The reason for this is  
> that you can measure the centerline more accurately.  Rather than  
> just measuring at 0.050 on each side, I suggest you measure the open  
> and closing angles at lifts of 0.200, 0.250 and 0.300 or something  
> similar.  This will give 6 numbers that when averaged will give a  
> very accurate centerline number.  Probably overkill when you can  
> only get within + or - 2 degrees, but you will know what you've  
> got.  And yes, always turn the crank in the direction the motor  
> turns, so you have tension on the chain.
> Larry Young


From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Jun  7 16:36:19 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:36:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] billet Crankshaft
References: <660839914C3444518B2BF2AE6D7D8C31@Pendys>
	<20090607154753.59ADF187956@autox.team.net>
	<4A2C2027.7020001@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c9e7c0$60e383b0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Please forgive me for bombing this list this way...  but, this piece is for 
TR racers and is unique.

I have a brand new spare billet TR3/4 Crower crank.  This is the one with 
with the "dummy mains".  Picture of these is on the front of the FOT www 
site.  This is the same one I had made for a group on this list some time 
previously.  I was going to use it for a second race car for my son but, 
decided to get him a TR6 racer instead.  It has standard TR 3/4 mains and 
rods.  The rear real is not the scroll but o ring type seal commonly 
available.

If interested... let me know off- line



Mordy


M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
Triple R Munitions, Inc.
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx
GMT -8 Pacific


From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com  Sun Jun  7 17:10:57 2009
From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Lifter regrind guy
In-Reply-To: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer>
References: <62F08E27281B48D6BBE7716F8E2B580B@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <4A2C4901.6000504@twcny.rr.com>

Mark,

He means Rocker Arm Specialist, Anderson, CA. You can find 'em with a Google 
search. I have not used them for lifter work. I've used Integral Cams, 
http://www.integralcams.com/, and not yet had a problem. His prices for a 
hardness check and a regrind have skyrocketed though.

Ed Woods

I called Rocker Arm specialists and they still charge $2.50 each - such a deal. I wish I hadn't thrown all those old lifters away, I would love to send two sets just to have a spare set on the shelf.

Best,

M


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jun  7 20:56:52 2009
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks
Message-ID: <000001c9e7e4$c69345f0$6401a8c0@blake1>

Anyone got a good trick for remove the spring lock type retainers?  I
can come up with several ways to remove them that would end up making
them useless but I would like to save them if I can.  In case I do
destroy them, I have a new set.  These are on Wiseco pistons.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Jun  8 07:34:19 2009
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:34:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch problem solved
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6296.1244294322.20693.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF95950C30.D47A7D01-ON852575CF.004604B4-852575CF.004A8C3A@us.ibm.com>

Thanks for all the suggestions, as soon as I read about the disk being in
backwards I had a Homer Simpson DOH moment. Pulled the tranny Saturday
morning, found the disk in backwards. While I had it out I checked for some
of the other suggested conditions that could have caused the first one to
exhibit the abnormal wear but everything looked / measured OK. I put things
back together and went for a nice, uneventful ride Saturday night. Now that
it's fixed, my son has stolen it from me again, I guess it's time to put
the 1500 back on the road.

thanks
mike h


From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Jun  8 13:14:59 2009
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle
In-Reply-To: <FEE21617140C4623B590ADE55B953406@rocky>
References: <20090526025012.86837fpk3j2zbxfk@webmail5.domain.com>
	<FEE21617140C4623B590ADE55B953406@rocky>
Message-ID: <8CBB6848D0C91A3-5E4-83F@webmail-md03.sysops.aol.com>

 Bob,

The splined competition Spitfire axles are available from the UK.? A little time on the internet you should come across them.? Can't remember the place I saw them but start with the Triumph Sports Six Club there and check their links.?? 

Good luck ,
Bob T


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: list at mackenzie.aero; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: list at mackenzie.aero
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 1:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle









Yep, that's a bit of a different setup. I'm guessing it's some kind of early 
"competition" axle setup. I say early because the comp axles I've had in my 
Mk. 1 Spit (one set acquired about 1975, replaced about 10 years ago) have 
always been solid units at the outer end that stab through the hub from 
outside to inside.?
?

Then at the inside end of the axle, mine are indeed splined to a flange that 
connects outer axle to inner axle.?
?

Not sure where you'd find a modern competition axle setup, but my friend 
Duane Bailey might know. He's a Spitfire racer in Michigan, runs a Britcar 
business including competition work (he builds my engines, etc.). 
dbailey_wmy at yahoo.com or 616-878-5774.?
?

--Rocky Entriken?
?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <list at mackenzie.aero>?

To: <fot at autox.team.net>?

Cc: <list at mackenzie.aero>?

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM?

Subject: [Fot] Early Spitfire Splined Axle?
?


>I have a question about my Spit for the group; I hope somebody can?

> help me out.?

>?

> For those who don?t know the story, I own a very early Spitfire4?

> (FC921) that I autocross.  Although I don?t have the full history of?

> the car or its logbooks I understand that it was an SCCA racer at some?

> point before being campaigned as an  autocross car into the 80s.  I?

> bought it as a barn-find 3 years ago and got it race ready in early?

> 2008.?

>?

> When I started working on this car I inspected most of the parts and?

> re-installed them.  One of the first projects was addressing the rear?

> suspension which was collapsed due a missing diff.  I recall pulling?

> the brake drums, removing the shoes/springs and everything else and?

> putting it all back together after re-sealing the brake cylinders. I?

> don?t recall pulling the drive flanges or thinking they or the drive?

> shafts were anything out of the ordinary.  One feature that did catch?

> my eye is that the wheel studs.  They were 7/16 diameter and about 2.5?

> inches long.  I assumed that it was built this way so spacers could be?

> used to adjust track as required.?

>?

> Last week I was getting the car ready for a club autocross when I?

> discovered a broken wheel stud on the left rear.  [I ended up dusting?

> off my street 1500 and having a great day  of racing but that?s?

> another story- http://tinyurl.com/qkjnpn ]?

>?

> I went to pull off the drive flange yesterday to get at the studs and?

> was surprised to find the flange and axle were splined, not the usual?

> tapered shaft with keyway.?

>?

> Photo:  http://tinyurl.com/spitspline?

>?

> My question are:?

>?

> Has anybody else seen this set-up??

> Who made this??

> Where are the shafts from??

>?

> Any help will be appreciated.?

>?

> Robert MacKenzie?

> Austin, TX?

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From billsohl at optonline.net  Mon Jun  8 18:47:32 2009
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:47:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox
In-Reply-To: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
References: <20090602054826.06625188346@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <EE8BDAD9F1A54E27B37D29335454A6A0@SohlPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:47 AM
Subject: [Fot] F1 on Fox


> Just in case other F1 Fans forgot it will be on Fox for the next four 
> races.  FYI that means you can watch it in HiDef if you have it. Nice....
> _______________________________________________

Actually around here (Cablevision Territory) I have Speed Channel in HD 
also.

Cheers,
Bill Sohl


From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 06:02:26 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:02:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e7e4$c69345f0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <1059757870.2183361244548946670.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I assume you are talking about "spiral lock rings".B  I use a dentist pick to
install and remove them without damage.

ron K.

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2009 10:56:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Fot] Wrist pin spring locks

Anyone got a good trick for remove the spring lock type retainers? B I
can come up with several ways to remove them that would end up making
them useless but I would like to save them if I can. B In case I do
destroy them, I have a new set. B These are on Wiseco pistons.
B 
Thanks,
B 
Greg
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 11:11:31 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:11:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] brakes
In-Reply-To: <4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>
References: <F6A6B96390784924868D2983D43DD7DD@RobPC>
	<4A2863F6.1010506@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6C1DE522C4944013913AC097AE11753C@RobPC>

Thanks to everyone  for the input   It looks like i will need a test day to 
get these brakes set up the right way.
  The rear at pressent have to much pad area ,it looks like they will need a 
less grippy pad . and increase to a 7/8 bore on the rear master.  thanks 
rob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Good" <goodparts at verizon.net>
To: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] brakes


> Quite a few factors contribute to determining the master cylinder size 
> needed.  Weight balance of the car and other factors determine the amount 
> of braking desired in the front vs. rear.  Rotor size, pad material and 
> caliper piston area determine the PSI of hydraulic pressure required to 
> cause the desired braking in each circuit.  Master cylinder piston area 
> determines the amount of mechanical force required on the piston to 
> produce the desired hydraulic pressure.  And of course mechanical leverage 
> determines the amount of force needed on the pedal to produce the required 
> mechanical force on the master cylinder piston.
> Depending on the equipment used, the required pressure can be quite 
> different in the front and rear circuits. Large rotors and calipers with 
> four big pistons in the rear will not require much pressure to do alot of 
> braking.  If this is used with stock calipers in the front, alot more 
> hydraulic pressure will be required in the front than the rear.  A larger 
> rear master cylinder will be required to keep the balance bar reasonably 
> centered.  With a single piston master cylinder, the front and rear 
> circuits must be designed to produce the desired braking force with the 
> same hydraulic pressure.  Doing the same with a dual master cylinder will 
> allow the use of two identical cylinders.  Wilwood offers most of their 
> calipers with a wide range of piston sizes to help in balancing the 
> system.  However, if you need to change the hydraulic ratio of an existing 
> system I am sure one master cylinder costs less than two calipers.
>
> Increasing the hydraulic advantage by reducing the master cylinder piston 
> area or increasing the caliper piston area or increasing the mechanical 
> advantage will decrease the force required on the pedal.  Going too far 
> can make the pedal feel spongy.  I once worked on a 550 Spyder replica 
> that had "spongy" brakes.  There was no problem locking up the brakes but 
> it felt like there was air in the system.  I finally gave up trying to 
> bleed non existent air from the system and figured out that there was so 
> much mechanical and hydraulic leverage that the calipers were over powered 
> and flexing with little pedal effort.  I reduced the mechanical leverage 
> in the pedal by a large percentage and fixed the problem.  Still plenty of 
> braking without too much pedal effort and now a nice firm pedal.  A larger 
> master cylinder would have done the same thing.  Of course if you go too 
> far in that direction you will not be able to stomp hard enough on the 
> firm pedal to stop the car.
>
> Richard Good
> Good Parts
>
> rob wrote:
>
>>Can anyone explain why a brake system with a balance bar  and duel masters
>>would have different size masters ie a 5/8 bore for the front and a 3/4 
>>bore
>>for the rear   also can anyone  sujest the correct size masters for a TR6 
>>with
>>stock front brakes and rear disc brakes with a 4 piston willwood caliper.
>>Thanks     rob
>>_______________________________________________


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  9 13:00:37 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over the
microphone area?

Scott


From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun  9 13:07:32 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:07:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the  
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS  
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over  
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun  9 13:12:13 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:12:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<4D2B1C3B-9333-4500-B616-4D7A5970524B@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929C6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

So far, I'm not terribly impressed, but then I only paid about $99 for
it, so I can't really complain.  I've been thinking about using it as a
rearward-facing camera, with something a little better looking out
front.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise?  Can one simply tape a piece of foam over
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 13:30:13 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific
In-Reply-To: <1269940870.1614491244575567625.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1898633200.1615841244575813841.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Scott,

I read some reviews on that camera and there were some complaints about wind
noise

even with the microphone taped over. There seems to be wind leakage around the
...lens ?

There are a lot of unhappy customers.
Just today I'm ordering the go-pro camera from ebay with the wide angle lens
for a rearward view.

They can be had for 138.00 .



jim g





----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 1:12:13 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

So far, I'm not terribly impressed, but then I only paid about $99 for
it, so I can't really complain. B I've been thinking about using it as a
rearward-facing camera, with something a little better looking out
front.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] ATC2K video camera - Oregon Scientific

I have solved all my problems with the ATC2K by tossing it in the
trash. Probably should have given it to some kids to play with. POS
product IMHO.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> For those of you out there with this video camera - what have you done
> to reduce the wind noise? B Can one simply tape a piece of foam over
> the
> microphone area?
>
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From standardtriumph at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 14:18:02 2009
From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:18:02 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to windnoise? Planning on 
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the windshield. Reason: anticipate 
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope?

Jonmac 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 10 00:38:20 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:38:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
In-Reply-To: <3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74012929BE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<3AFE9AEC0EE147249732762F2B9433FA@John>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAGi+YUAjCcFNnZFJVwWlklUBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I use a Panasonic SD cam mounted behind the seats. My bracket has a little
windshield and I tape over the micro and the result is okay. The windshield
in front of the micro is the important factor to reduce wind noise.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von John Macartney
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 22:18
An: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to
windnoise? Planning on
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the
windshield. Reason: anticipate
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope?

Jonmac
_______________________________________________


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jun 10 09:19:19 2009
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage racer - any one know him?
Message-ID: <380-220096310151919576@M2W034.mail2web.com>

Hi gang!

Some HQ folks from the government program I work for came down for a big
meeting yesterday, and we ended up all going to dinner. During dinner, I
found out one of the guy's fathers raced a TR-3 (and several other cars)
back in the day! My HQ guy grew up crewing for his dad and learned how to
drive on an Alfa Romeo Berlina (extremely small world, as I almost learned
to drive on my dad's Berlina, but ended up learning on a neighbor's Vega
and my grandmother's Skylark).

Unfortunately, he did not remember his dad's numbers, but his name was
Harold Richmond and they raced with SCCA and in the north-eastern and
central areas -- he made mention of some course I had never heard of in
Canada. He said they also did hillclimbs.

Anyone remember or know of a Harold Richmond (he passed away in 1975)?

Thanks,
Susan     :)



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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 10 09:35:39 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:35:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAGi+YUAjCcFNnZFJVwWlklUBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <78160561.1837791244648139583.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I have the same wind noise problem. I have added some foam rubber around the mic 

for this weekend. If that doesn't work I'm going to try a velcro-on leather cover 

over the entire camera. My camera doesn't have a port for an external mic. 

For those who do have the port, a remote mic with foam and positioned out 

of the wind will cure it. Might get some intersting sound from the trunk. 



Jim G. 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:38:20 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam 

I use a Panasonic SD cam mounted behind the seats. My bracket has a little 
windshield and I tape over the micro and the result is okay. The windshield 
in front of the micro is the important factor to reduce wind noise. 

Cheers 
Chris 

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im 
Auftrag von John Macartney 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Juni 2009 22:18 
An: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net 
Betreff: [Fot] Sony DCR-SR33 Handycam 

Can anyone provide feedback on this camera (or similar model) with regard to 
windnoise? Planning on 
mounting it in the TTACD Stag on a special bracket at the base of the 
windshield. Reason: anticipate 
good forward view with minimal windnoise. Is this a vain hope? 

Jonmac 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun 10 12:47:28 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:47:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
Message-ID: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>

Hello Gang, Thanks for all the help everyone has given me in getting the TR7
Dolly Sprint car going.  Tomorrow she leaves on the Glenwood Spring Rally and
still has a long list of issues.  The most pressing is she will not pass our
local emissions test.  At high revs, I've leaned it out to where she does
fine.  At idle the HC goes way up.  The car has SU carbs of a type I'm not
real familiar with I guess they are HIF? with the float bowls on the bottoms
where the adjusting nuts would normally be.  The car cruises OK but off the
line stutters and stumbles.  It has a stock distributor with the Allison
ignition.  I seem to be albe to set the timing fine at about 12 degrees at
idle.  At 8 degrees it really stinks.  Any ideas?



Cheers, Henry Morrison TR6 and 7 to Denver tomorrow...................


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 10 13:12:00 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <353266.27256.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,

Last month I nominated Pat Barber to membership in this esteemed
group.
It was seconded by Marty Sukey.

I gave the wrong address for him. It
should have been pat at patrickbarber.com.

Mark, please add him to the group.
Thanks,

Doug
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jun 10 15:55:18 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>

> At idle the HC goes way up.  

High HC indicates misfiring (possibly only partially).  Might be due to
mixture too lean, but I would suspect ignition problems first.  Make sure
the Allison module is getting a full 12v, and that the coil is getting the
voltage it expects.  IOW, if the coil requires a ballast resistor, the
Allison should get power from before the resistor.

FWIW, on one of my Stags with an Allison, the shutter assembly didn't fit
over the point cam properly, and had been broken and glued.  The break was
spread open, meaning that the timing was different for each cylinder.  Also,
when I fitted a Crane (which is very similar to the Allison) to my TR3, I
had a terrible time getting the phasing just right.  Eventually figured out
that the rotor had a "counterweight" cast into it that was thumping the
pickup on every revolution.

In both cases, the engine never did seem to run quite as well with the
optical pickup, as with points.

Randall


From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jun 10 16:33:21 2009
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
Message-ID: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>

I have just heard that Carl Swanson, my long time friend and driver in the
glory days of Triumph in the USA and National Champion in 1966 has died of
cancer.

Carl was a fantastic driver in his Morgan and then my GT-6 & TR-6. He did  the
prototype and tuning driving for the Competition Department in the GT-6 cars
and then campaigned the GT-6 in the S.C.C.A events.

Carl also drove the Kastner Brophy Racing TR-6 and was a hard competitor and
fun guy. We will miss Carl Swanson, good man.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf]


From gaf3 at charter.net  Wed Jun 10 16:41:32 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A30369C.50205@charter.net>

dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:
> Hello Gang, Thanks for all the help everyone has given me in getting the TR7
> Dolly Sprint car going.  Tomorrow she leaves on the Glenwood Spring Rally and
> still has a long list of issues.  The most pressing is she will not pass our
> local emissions test.  At high revs, I've leaned it out to where she does
> fine.  At idle the HC goes way up.  The car has SU carbs of a type I'm not
> real familiar with I guess they are HIF? with the float bowls on the bottoms
> where the adjusting nuts would normally be.  The car cruises OK but off the
> line stutters and stumbles.  It has a stock distributor with the Allison
> ignition.  I seem to be albe to set the timing fine at about 12 degrees at
> idle.  At 8 degrees it really stinks.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison TR6 and 7 to Denver tomorrow...................
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>
>
>
>   
When you lean out the mixture, believe it or not HC goes up. When you 
enrich the mixture your CO will climb.
Maybe you already know this. I'm not sure but doesn't the HIF's have 
mixture screws for idle?

Glenn Franco
72 Spit race car


From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed Jun 10 17:17:52 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 New Oil Sender Line.
Message-ID: <BAY116-DS47C34A02F2B0C0D54D2B7C3450@phx.gbl>

Grettings folks.

I decided to change out the flex line for my OP gauge because it was starting
to seep some.  I have replaced this thing a couple times before in the 28 odd
years I have been driving the car, so I looked for another solution.  I gave
Ted Schumacher a call and he sent me a complete "aeroquip" type braided
stainless line that goes from the fitting near the fuel pump all the way to
the instrument.

Install was straightforward, with the proviso that you put some TFE paste on
the threads of the gauge itself where the hose adapter connects. I also had to
use different clamps than the stock steel pipe on the firewall, but a trip to
the hardware yielded some nice plastic wire loom clips that work great.

This won't be for someone entering judged shows, but if you are like me, and I
suspect most of you are, and you drive your TR3 this makes for a nice, good
looking in a racer kind of way, fix.  It also simplifies the install as it
elminates one connection in the circuit.  And simple is better, yes?

Price is reasonable too.

Thanks for a good product Ted.



Terry Stetler.


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 10 17:42:44 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 New Oil Sender Line.
Message-ID: <514041.92029.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I too put one of Ted's OP gauge lines in my TR4 earlier this Spring.
Very nice - I should be good for the next 50 years.

Dennis


>
> I decided to change out the flex line for my OP gauge
> because it was starting
> to seep some.  I have replaced this thing a couple
> times before in the 28 odd
> years I have been driving the car, so I looked for another
> solution.  I gave
> Ted Schumacher a call and he sent me a complete "aeroquip"
> type braided
> stainless line that goes from the fitting near the fuel
> pump all the way to
> the instrument.
>
> Install was straightforward, with the proviso that you put
> some TFE paste on
> the threads of the gauge itself where the hose adapter
> connects. I also had to
> use different clamps than the stock steel pipe on the
> firewall, but a trip to
> the hardware yielded some nice plastic wire loom clips that
> work great.
>
> This won't be for someone entering judged shows, but if you
> are like me, and I
> suspect most of you are, and you drive your TR3 this makes
> for a nice, good
> looking in a racer kind of way, fix.  It also
> simplifies the install as it
> elminates one connection in the circuit.  And simple
> is better, yes?
>
> Price is reasonable too.
>
> Thanks for a good product Ted.
>
>
>
> Terry Stetler.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Jun 11 06:03:34 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:03:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
In-Reply-To: <20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>
References: <BLU116-W3CE5F50E1C2A52595843890450@phx.gbl>
	<20090610215517785.FMXX2045@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU116-W106B8DB9A584E21A09C18A90420@phx.gbl>

Thanks, I'll check out all that.  I have noticed that the voltage at the coil
is low, like 7.5 volts.  when the battery gets low, as the charging system is
giving me fits, the car seems to run worse.  I'll take my computer and give
the list the blow by blow.  I'll also take a look at the fuel
pressure...............Cheers Henry

> From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:55:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Urgent tuning help needed
>
> > At idle the HC goes way up.
>
> High HC indicates misfiring (possibly only partially). Might be due to
> mixture too lean, but I would suspect ignition problems first. Make sure
> the Allison module is getting a full 12v, and that the coil is getting the
> voltage it expects. IOW, if the coil requires a ballast resistor, the
> Allison should get power from before the resistor.
>
> FWIW, on one of my Stags with an Allison, the shutter assembly didn't fit
> over the point cam properly, and had been broken and glued. The break was
> spread open, meaning that the timing was different for each cylinder. Also,
> when I fitted a Crane (which is very similar to the Allison) to my TR3, I
> had a terrible time getting the phasing just right. Eventually figured out
> that the rotor had a "counterweight" cast into it that was thumping the
> pickup on every revolution.
>
> In both cases, the engine never did seem to run quite as well with the
> optical pickup, as with points.
>
> Randall
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun 11 06:32:22 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:32:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
Ambro.

Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.

His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com

Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?

Scott B.


From emanteno at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 06:33:44 2009
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>

I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.

;-)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> Ambro.
>
> Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
> His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>
> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 07:27:32 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:27:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>

Thanks Irv and Scott.

I am surprised that it requires a high powered Wisconsin Lawyer and a 
Captain of Industry to get this done. But whatever it takes. I miss the list.

Gary Fuqua is also experiencing 30+ days of List Withdrawal.

Thanks,

Joe


> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee 
> buying dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
> 
> ;-)


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Thu Jun 11 07:30:13 2009
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:30:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040D9F916B@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>

Mark Van Lake is back on the list. Maybe you are next in line?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:28 AM
To: emanteno at gmail.com; sbarr at mccarty-law.com
Cc: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

Thanks Irv and Scott.

I am surprised that it requires a high powered Wisconsin Lawyer and a
Captain of Industry to get this done. But whatever it takes. I miss the list.

Gary Fuqua is also experiencing 30+ days of List Withdrawal.

Thanks,

Joe


> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee
> buying dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>
> ;-)
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 11 07:40:14 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:40:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccart
	y-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20090611134054.B289B187670@autox.team.net>

I think Joe's problem is that his ISP is essentially AOL.  It appears 
that AOL has taken a dislike to autox.team.net in all forms.  I 
suggested that Joe use an alternate e-mail address that is less 
likely to be blocked.  He does have an alternate address that could 
be used.  Otherwise, I've set up g-mail addresses for that kind of 
thing.  For a while, I had a rule that forwarded all FOT e-mail to an 
alternate address for Christian Marx when HIS ISP blocked stuff.  I 
could do that if necessary.  You'd only get FOT e-mails while my 
e-mail program is running, though.

- Tony Drews

At 07:32 AM 6/11/2009, Barr, Scott wrote:
>There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>Ambro.
>
>Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
>list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
>His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>
>Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
>Scott B.


From list at mackenzie.aero  Thu Jun 11 08:54:17 2009
From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:54:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] WTB: Spitfire 1147 Distributor
Message-ID: <000601c9eaa4$7ee060e0$7ca122a0$@aero>

Does anybody have a decent 1147 distributor they can part with?


From wredinger at oppd.com  Thu Jun 11 09:44:18 2009
From: wredinger at oppd.com (REDINGER, WILLIAM E)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEF387CB76AB9B4083293A0052ADEEC31AA6ED09FA@SEPEX11.oppd.oppd-ds.com>

Hold him hostage for some of his Monaco F1 Photo's and stories!

Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Irv Korey
Sent: Thursday,
June 11, 2009 7:34 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com;
fot at autox.team.net; Mark J Bradakis
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination

I will
second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
dinner
for me last week as he passed through Chicago.

;-)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009
at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:

> There's a guy here
in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> list.  He's been a
Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> of you.  He's messing
with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> Ambro.
>
> Name of Joe
Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> list now.
Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>
> His e-mail address is
N197TR4 at cs.com
>
> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>
>
Scott B.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 11 10:19:40 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:19:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>

FWIW I stopped receiving all the list emails a year or so ago. Went round and
round with my ISP for a couple of months. They kept on saying it wasn't
them:). . I ended up creating a hotmail account and sent all my list emails to
the hotmail address and everything has worked fine since then. Well at least
all my email stuff has worked fine......



Marty


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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 10:21:20 2009
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 80mpg   no lbc
Message-ID: <97D9358F41054BD69DEC1DB31AD4A291@RobPC>

Langford Preformance Engineering (www.ipengines.com)   has installed a  self
lubricating minny turbine (www.capstoneturbine) into a seven passenger Ford
minny van with no overall wght. increase.   pretty coool    rob


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 10:28:07 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:28:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] List issues
Message-ID: <d53.4ddfd4fb.37628a97@cs.com>

I am going to try another email address as Tony D suggests.  I have an 
address on my website that is set up to go to my AOL/CS email account.



> FWIW I stopped receiving all the list emails a year or so ago. Went round 
> and round with my ISP for a couple of months. They kept on saying it 
> wasn't them:). . I ended up creating a hotmail account and sent all my list 
> emails to the hotmail address and everything has worked fine since then. Well 
> at least all my email stuff has worked fine......
>  
> Marty


From GSFuqua1 at aol.com  Thu Jun 11 10:53:39 2009
From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:53:39 EDT
Subject: [Fot] enroll
Message-ID: <d5e.4f029536.37629093@aol.com>

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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 11 14:08:35 2009
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:08:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>

I dunno... should we let just anybody in?

I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
wine fanatics...

This could get out of hand y'know.

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon



That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...







> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
> From: emanteno at gmail.com
> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>
> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>
> ;-)
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>
> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> > list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> > of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> > Ambro.
> >
> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> > list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
> >
> > His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
> >
> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
> >
> > Scott B.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> _______________________________________________
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Thu Jun 11 14:09:38 2009
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C656CEB2.2FE0%John.Reed@wilson.com>

Hey!!!!


On 6/11/09 3:08 PM, "greenman62 at hotmail.com" <greenman62 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I dunno... should we let just anybody in?
> 
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
> wine fanatics...
> 
> This could get out of hand y'know.
> 
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon
> 
> 
> 
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
>> From: emanteno at gmail.com
>> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
>> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>> 
>> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
>> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>>> list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>>> of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>>> Ambro.
>>> 
>>> Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
>>> list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>>> 
>>> His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>>> 
>>> Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>>> 
>>> Scott B.
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 14:12:12 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:12:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292B29@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><354a1780906110533k6dfe274fte2f4a23478dd210f@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A56CA314A723430DBC9A267FCC7D03D1@Bud>

Wine Fanatics!.....Wine Fanatics!.....5pm...every evening here in Sonoma, 
Ca....IT'S THE LAW!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
To: <emanteno at gmail.com>; <sbarr at mccarty-law.com>
Cc: "Joe alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>; 
<mjb at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination


>I dunno... should we let just anybody in?
>
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and
> wine fanatics...
>
> This could get out of hand y'know.
>
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon
>
>
>
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
>> From: emanteno at gmail.com
>> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
>> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
>>
>> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee 
>> buying
>> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
>> > list.  He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
>> > of you.  He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
>> > Ambro.
>> >
>> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the 
>> > FOT
>> > list now.  Anybody with a second?  He's wacky, but one of us.
>> >
>> > His e-mail address is  N197TR4 at cs.com
>> >
>> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
>> >
>> > Scott B.
>> > _______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 18:35:52 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W63993A06D467B18CB0011FD2420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CBB90CDFDD1811-15C0-136E@webmail-dx15.sysops.aol.com>

does your message mean I am back on....or what?

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com
To: emanteno at gmail.com; sbarr at mccarty-law.com
Cc: Joe alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 3:08 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination


I dunno... should we let just anybody in? 

I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and wine fanatics... 

This could get out of hand y'know.

Greg Petrolati?? Lafayette, Oregon 

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 





> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:33:44 -0500
> From: emanteno at gmail.com
> To: sbarr at mccarty-law.com
> CC: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; mjb at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination
> 
> I will second this nomination. It has nothing to do with the nominee buying
> dinner for me last week as he passed through Chicago.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> > There's a guy here in the Midwest (Jesup, IA) who belongs on the FOT
> > list. He's been a Triumph racer for some time now and is known to some
> > of you. He's messing with some sort of Triumph-based special - an
> > Ambro.
> >
> > Name of Joe Alexander and he'd really, really like to be back on the FOT
> > list now. Anybody with a second? He's wacky, but one of us.
> >
> > His e-mail address is N197TR4 at cs.com
> >
> > Mark, will you please plunk your magic twanger?
> >
> > Scott B.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > http://www.fot-racing.com
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 16:31:02 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:31:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sad News
In-Reply-To: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>
References: <A5FE7FF329E74CCE9D41E3712AA35D90@KasPC>
Message-ID: <B4F66BCD-4386-4DFA-8EC1-301EEFB818A9@comcast.net>

His legacy lives on, though.  Running my GT-6 in a Pennsylvania  
hillclimb this weekend.  I can only wish that my work would leave  
behind something that helps other people have so much fun!  The  
knowledge you guys developed and passed along is unquestionably part  
of my old SCCA car that started competing at least as early as 1971 on  
the West Coast - no logbooks existed before that.

On Jun 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

I have just heard that Carl Swanson, my long time friend and driver in  
the
glory days of Triumph in the USA and National Champion in 1966 has  
died of
cancer.

Carl was a fantastic driver in his Morgan and then my GT-6 & TR-6. He  
did  the
prototype and tuning driving for the Competition Department in the  
GT-6 cars
and then campaigned the GT-6 in the S.C.C.A events.

Carl also drove the Kastner Brophy Racing TR-6 and was a hard  
competitor and
fun guy. We will miss Carl Swanson, good man.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a  
name of Kas Kastner.vcf]
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun 11 21:17:16 2009
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] testing
Message-ID: <8CBB9236C21E0B7-13F4-1ADC@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jun 11 21:46:20 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
	<BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>

Many people knowingly and willing waste their money on AOL.

May God have mercy on their souls.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jun 11 22:03:58 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:03:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>
References: <c58.46c5eea1.37626044@cs.com>
	<BAY123-W4393585ADF8675FF32B132BA420@phx.gbl>
	<4A31CF8C.2090007@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4A31D3AE.2040808@bradakis.com>

By the way, a LOT of the list issues like non-member, oversized posts,
AOL stupidity and such would be non-existent in a forum based situation,
like http://www.team.net/forums

mjb.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun 12 07:17:46 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:17:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire front bumper, for squaretail
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401292BFB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Does anybody have a front bumper for a squaretail Spitfire they'd like
to sell?

Scott


From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jun 12 07:32:51 2009
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
Message-ID: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>

With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the 
camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I 
say with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to 
get too large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, 
so (I hope) the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and 
some of their pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't 
like the choices available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've 
developed two cams, the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see 
Testimonials) and a newly developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 
cam requires a full sized lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford 
lifter.   I would like to do a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a 
street cam with about 275 degrees and 0.330 lift  All of my cams are 
quick opening/closing and high lift compared to others with a similar 
duration. All I need is four firm orders to justify cutting a master.  I 
plan to get into TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.  I've now got a Cam 
Doctor, so I will soon be able to accurately measure camshaft profiles 
as a service. If you're interested in any of this contact me off list.
Larry Young


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Jun 12 07:57:52 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906120942330.2710@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I read my old-fashioned mail in batches, usually when the stack on the 
chair gets knocked over by one of the cats...

At ay rate, I unfolded the 2009 Mid Ohio events brochure and there's a 
really nice picture of what appears to be Bill Tobin's TR6 cresting what 
appears to be the top of the hill in the esses.

The picture is for the promo for the Vintage event at the end of June.

Kool!

rml
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Solo Chair 2008       TR6 40 F Prepared        |  Triumph!
Voice:781-438-2568    FAX: 617-258-9535        |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 08:10:50 2009
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
In-Reply-To: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
References: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0906120710n6e08ea79vb26b9dde6b3c8b7e@mail.gmail.com>

Larry,
Thanks for that great web site.  I have learned more cam theory in 20
minutes than I knew through a life of experience!  Looking forward to
you designing a high performance [i.e.race] cam for the TR6.
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Larry Young<cartravel at pobox.com> wrote:
> With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the
> camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I say
> with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to get too
> large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, so (I hope)
> the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and some of their
> pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't like the choices
> available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've developed two cams,
> the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see Testimonials) and a newly
> developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 cam requires a full sized
> lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford lifter.   I would like to do
> a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a street cam with about 275 degrees
and
> 0.330 lift  All of my cams are quick opening/closing and high lift compared
> to others with a similar duration. All I need is four firm orders to
justify
> cutting a master.  I plan to get into TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.
>  I've now got a Cam Doctor, so I will soon be able to accurately measure
> camshaft profiles as a service. If you're interested in any of this contact
> me off list.
> Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



--
Chuck Arnold


From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri Jun 12 08:40:07 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement
References: <4A325903.3020607@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c9eb6b$aea02a50$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

It maybe commercial but, oh so nice.  Would love to have this on the FOT 
site as a link.


Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Camshaft Cottage Industry - commercial announcement


> With some hesitancy, I announce that I've taken another step with the 
> camshaft business and set up a website - www.tildentechnologies.com.  I 
> say with hesitancy, because I'm retired and I don't want this think to get 
> too large.  This site is actually more educational than commercial, so (I 
> hope) the Technical pages are a good place to learn about cams and some of 
> their pitfalls.  I got into camshaft design because I didn't like the 
> choices available, and the website explains why.  So far, I've developed 
> two cams, the 298 cam that several have run since 2005 (see Testimonials) 
> and a newly developed 310 cam for higher revs.  The 298 cam requires a 
> full sized lifter, whereas the 310 cam will run on a Ford lifter.   I 
> would like to do a 298 cam for a Ford lifter and also a street cam with 
> about 275 degrees and 0.330 lift  All of my cams are quick opening/closing 
> and high lift compared to others with a similar duration. All I need is 
> four firm orders to justify cutting a master.  I plan to get into 
> TR250/5/6 cams, probably next year.  I've now got a Cam Doctor, so I will 
> soon be able to accurately measure camshaft profiles as a service. If 
> you're interested in any of this contact me off list.
> Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From william.tobin3 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 12 09:34:58 2009
From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:34:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906120942330.2710@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <01d401c9eb73$588494a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae>

  Hi all, yes, that's me in the photo. I hadn't gotten my copy in the mail,
but Sam Halkius e-mailed me about it; On the cover of the Rolling Stone is
how he phrased it. Thanks Sam.
  I'll be at MO, but without the car. A lot of trial and tribulations this
year.
  I am signed up for BeaveRun in mid-July though. I encourage anyone else to
do that event. Fun track, nice people, and for a good cause. Part of PVGP.
  See you at the races, Bill.----- Original Message -----
  From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
  To: <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio Brochure


  > Hi,
  >
  > I read my old-fashioned mail in batches, usually when the stack on the
  > chair gets knocked over by one of the cats...
  >
  > At ay rate, I unfolded the 2009 Mid Ohio events brochure and there's a
  > really nice picture of what appears to be Bill Tobin's TR6 cresting what
  > appears to be the top of the hill in the esses.
  >
  > The picture is for the promo for the Vintage event at the end of June.
  >
  > Kool!
  >
  > rml


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 12 09:50:07 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:50:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <d0f.4d310cb1.3763d32f@cs.com>

But I miss racer Bud.....

Looking forward to Portland, BTW. No tow likely for this one and may use 
airline, but plan to be there.  Joe A


> I dunno... should we let just anybody in? 
> 
> I mean pretty soon it'll be "recovering" Triumph owners, photographers and 
> wine fanatics... 
> 
> This could get out of hand y'know.
> 
> Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon 
> 
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Jun 12 18:13:21 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
Message-ID: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>

I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.

Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!

But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped with
a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis asked
me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth the
asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
those spares.

(And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)

--Rocky Entriken

PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
to get on when a new member is approved.


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jun 12 18:21:42 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <C0BBF7AD-12AD-44B5-AA56-8F06BB0B27B4@charter.net>

Second for two more Spitfire Drivers. Welcome!!
On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote:

> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this  
> list.
>
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of  
> Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them  
> to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers  
> in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class  
> to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out  
> and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already  
> equipped with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on  
> this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When  
> Dennis asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was  
> worth the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built  
> from
> those spares.
>
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten  
> them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is  
> for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From bownes at seiri.com  Fri Jun 12 18:37:14 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:37:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330906121737n19d454bew7b6d0fb4fad4129e@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded! Anybody who can beat Rocky in a Spit is ok by me!
:)


On 6/12/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
>
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped
> with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis
> asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth
> the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
> those spares.
>
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 12 18:49:29 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:49:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
	<d9f7bd330906121737n19d454bew7b6d0fb4fad4129e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBB5643A3B024DE4B8D0FE17B83D18F3@Bud>

A Hearty Welcome from Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in...Nor Cal!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert bownes" <bownes at seiri.com>
To: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>; ".Triumph List" 
<fot at autox.team.net>; "Smith, Dennis/Nancy" <smnck at kansas.net>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy


> Seconded! Anybody who can beat Rocky in a Spit is ok by me!
> :)
>
>
> On 6/12/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
>>
>> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina 
>> Region
>> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
>> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
>> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to 
>> remain
>> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
>>
>> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
>> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped
>> with
>> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this 
>> list.
>> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis
>> asked
>> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was 
>> worth
>> the
>> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
>> those spares.
>>
>> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them 
>> yet
>> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
>>
>> --Rocky Entriken
>>
>> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for 
>> them
>> to get on when a new member is approved.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 12 18:57:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] HSR WEST RACE AT INFINEON
Message-ID: <05F7D757A4514845AD412069C36F8355@Bud>

Hi Gang....for the 1st time, HSR West is hosting a vintage race at
Infineon(Sears Point)..... the last weekend of August...
HSR WEST SUMMER RACES..this is a very famous track, and is still in the same
configuration as it was in 1968, when it opened(only a few minor changes to a
couple of turns,barely noticeable, and some hill cutting for spectator
visability, and runoff added in a few places.)......
Racer bud..Sonoma, Ca...


From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Jun 13 06:04:50 2009
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 5:04:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Dennis & Nancy
In-Reply-To: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <20090613080450.8PYF7.184167.root@mp05>

I second Dennis and Nancy! I was going to nominate them after they picked up all that stuff that was my stuff and now it's all their stuff.
 They both looked like a couple of kids in a candy store trying to figure out how to get all the candy in their pockets. They got a great car. 
 Welcome to the list guys!
Jeff Senty
---- Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote: 
> I'd like to nominate Dennis and Nancy Smith for membership on  this list.
> 
> Dennis & Nancy, of Concordia, Ks., are the RE and secretary of Salina Region
> SCCA. Mostly they're Mustang nuts, but last September I invited them to
> co-drive my Spitfire at the Solo Nationals to help boost the numbers in G
> Prepared. We really needed to get 17 GP/GPL entrants for the class to remain
> alive, and with them co-driving me we had 18!
> 
> But then ... they enjoyed the experience so much they went right out and
> bought a GP Spitfire of their own! What's more, it came already equipped with
> a big Amici Triumphi sticker on it, so I guess they need to be on this list.
> Not sure who they got it from, but it's a black/yellow #89. When Dennis asked
> me to look at the eBay listing, I told him the spares pile alone was worth the
> asking price of the car. He's already got another engine being built from
> those spares.
> 
> (And with some engine problems I've been having, I haven't beaten them yet
> this year! Grrr! Oh, well, we'll fix that.)
> 
> --Rocky Entriken
> 
> PS -- I'm ccing them on this but I don't know what the procedure is for them
> to get on when a new member is approved.
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 13 06:47:24 2009
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:47:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VELOCITY STACKS KVS-175  SS Mesh/Custom Filters
Message-ID: <cf6.57258b4c.3764f9dc@cs.com>

List:

Important Commercial Information..................

I received the first 4 pair of custom filters for the KVS-175. I am 
shipping three pair on Monday.

The silicon mold tooling is done and more SS material has been ordered for 
future production.

These filters conform to the shape of the bell and are secured with a 
molded silicon lip. If you feel you need filters, these make sense.

When I was at Road Atlanta I talked to Lee Holman (Holman & Moody). Holman 
is using his own custom version of these on his engines for the continuation 
of build 
GT-40s. (This was a voluntary conversation on his part as he saw a sample I 
had in my hand and recognized the construction) He feels that this filter 
will handle the fine sand of Florida.

On approval & returnable if you dont want them. Finally, we have some dyno 
results pending from an independent third party, with and without the 
filters, but those tests have been delayed.

I have one pair available now, and will have more produced to a list of 
advance orders.

$65/pr. including shipping.  

Note: If you did not get the Kastner designed Velocity Stacks initially, 
because of the availability of filters, I have a few work in process. (It will 
take awhile to finish them because I am in a bit of time crunch with 
pending race and AMBRO build)

Thanks!

Joe (A)


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 13 08:05:43 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Heat Wrap - Non Triumph
Message-ID: <AMEPLGDBBNPBELGKPOHEKEEACFAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Amici,

I have a friend with a Corvair Spyder (turbocharged)
with a heat problem. The portion of the exhaust feeding
the turbo runs hot and he would like to put some heat
wrap on it. Any suggestions? Would the typical header
wrap work in this environment? Or is there something
better?

Thanks,

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 14 00:31:41 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:31:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] List stuff again
Message-ID: <4A34994D.5090004@bradakis.com>

I believe that the issues with AOL and other such entities regarding 
blocking
email from Team.Net has been resolved, and effected addresses should be back
in current status.

What fun.  Only a few dozen more lists and who knows how many hundreds
of addresses to process.  Not exactly how I wanted to spend my weekend.
So it goes.

In case you are wondering, the problem was with reverse DNS.  Basically
every computer has a name and an address.  If you give a name to a domain
name server, you get back an address.  That is required for a computer to
work on the network.  What ISN'T required is giving an address and getting
back a name.  In practice, though, most everyone has it set up.  So the AOL
mail server sees a message from autox.team.net, address x.x and does a
reverse lookup on x.x and gets x.x.frobble.in-blah.  That is not 
autox.team.net
so it assumes the message is spam and chucks it into the bit bucket.  In 
truth
there is more to it than that, the name to number matching is not 1 to 1.
aol.com is a LOT more than just one computer at one address.  And even
the team.net server also takes care of other domains like 
britishmotorclub.org
and baileysautomotive.com and utahlotusmuseum.com and such.  But that
is beyond the scope of this message, I'm sure many folks have already given
up reading this far.

It was working fine for years, but when I switched ISPs last month and got
a new IP address, the new ISP did not properly set up the reverse lookup.
Should be fixed now.

mjb.


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Sun Jun 14 12:35:50 2009
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:35:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
Message-ID: <BLU126-DS1F7AB4F097A18B037EA70B7410@phx.gbl>

As promised by the Speed Channel, the new digital/Hi-Def format rendered
spectacular results. I was up till mid-night 'flat screened' & managed to wake
up in time for the podium ceremonies this morning. Have to say, it got the
juices flowing for my first race for 09'  next month @ High Plains.
Expecting reports from the 3 TR4 amigos (Grey, Hodgson & Roelofs down @
Pueblo, CO. this weekend.

Kevin


From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 14 13:39:56 2009
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
Message-ID: <78653.55321.qm@web80701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great to see real race cars and real racing on SPEED.  I thought the coverage
was great.

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com> wrote:


From: KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com>
Subject: [Fot] Le Mans coverage
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 1:35 PM


As promised by the Speed Channel, the new digital/Hi-Def format rendered
spectacular results. I was up till mid-night 'flat screened' & managed to
wake
up in time for the podium ceremonies this morning. Have to say, it got the
juices flowing for my first race for 09'  next month @ High Plains.
Expecting reports from the 3 TR4 amigos (Grey, Hodgson & Roelofs down @
Pueblo, CO. this weekend.

Kevin
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun Jun 14 20:22:22 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Trans on Craiglist
Message-ID: <4A35B05E.4070002@greenheart.com>

I have no interest here, but I ran into this advertisement today.  If 
this trans was rebuilt by Herman Van Den Akker as the advertisement 
says, you can be sure it was done right.  So if anyone is looking for a 
trans, this might be a good buy.    --Justin



http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/1220354961.html


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sun Jun 14 21:19:20 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:19:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Lenghty notes on FOT Email
In-Reply-To: <20061215042250.03EB55E93BF@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>

Hi Mark

Cary Perket Group44TR7 at aol.com wanted me to relay a message to you that he
is not getting the Fot emails for a while now and would like see if you can
somehow get him back on the distribution.

Thanks

Paul MacDonald 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 15 09:30:43 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:30:43 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Firing up
In-Reply-To: <20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>
References: <20061215042250.03EB55E93BF@autox.team.net>
	<20090615031928.B2ADA1882F9@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAANDHBSDrMz5LpNl6sEjldlwBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

This video is two month old and I'm not sure if I published it before.

It is not very interesting and maybe boring too but all went fine and that's
the main thing of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68JyWluuaOU

Cheers
Chris


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Mon Jun 15 15:30:41 2009
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:30:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need a small crank 1300 Block!!!
Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A55D002@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local>

Well the jury is probably in and I need a 1300 small crank block to get
my 1972 Spit back on the track!!!

Anyone got one available?? Call me at 866-455-7788 8-5 CST or
615-347-0260 whenever you have time.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jun 15 21:43:16 2009
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:43:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
Message-ID: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Amici,

I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?

As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for Oregon
Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!  

We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!

Jim Norlin


From mpendy at dishmail.net  Mon Jun 15 22:06:31 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:06:31 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>

I will second also for Mike M. and second for a great Rose Cup weekend !!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report


> Amici,
>
> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>
> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for 
> Oregon
> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>
> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>
> Jim Norlin
> _______________________________________________
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue Jun 16 00:49:03 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:49:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
In-Reply-To: <7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
Message-ID: <2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>

I had a great time. SCCA races are not the same kind of social thing  
that pure vintage races are, but there's a lot of fine folks that I  
haven't seen for a while, it was really good to catch up. I should add  
a few more SCCA and ICSSC events to my calendar.

Peyote did just fine. A great number of people were entranced with  
either Peyote or Nero or both. I had a pretty steady stream of curious  
visitors. Peyote looks very different, As I've said before, it's  
almost pretty now, but at the same time it's very true to it's  
origins. Surprising to see how much difference having straight metal  
and a fine hand at fitting everything really makes. Tony Garmey did an  
amazing job.

She also rocked on the track. Set a new personal lap record for  
Portland--1:29:784. That is picking them up and puttin' them down my  
friends. I have no problem remembering when I thought I'd never see  
1:31. We had a split start with open wheel cars going off first, and  
in the field of 30-odd non-open wheel cars I finished third overall on  
Sunday, and second in VP2. Lots of pretty darned good cars and fine  
drivers. I think folks were a little shocked at what a giant killer  
this goofy little car is.  And that's with very old tires and an  
engine that's done a stupendous number of events--basically three very  
busy years without a rebuild.

Arnie Loyning took first in his lotus elan, which was absolutely  
stunningly fast, turning 1:27: something and setting a new track VP2  
record. Arnie's a hell of a good driver but the car was amazing. 1200  
pounds and 180+ horsepower. Behind him was Dick Albrecht in his very  
nice Shelby 350 mustang. I was filling Dick's mirrors in every turn  
and I almost got past him a couple of times, but he finally got a  
little track between us and I couldn't regain it.  I had a fine battle  
with Don Madsdens Lotus S7, Mike Smith's GT350, and Norm Daniels  
Camaro, as well as an assortment of Datsun 240Zs, a pretty wicked  
Dodge Charger, a Sunbeam Tiger and some Alpha Romeos.

I really thought Peyote gaining 30 pounds would take a toll in lap  
times, but it didn't. I had a throttle cable pop off during Saturday's  
race, but other than that it was flawless all weekend.


On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Mark Pendergrass wrote:

> I will second also for Mike M. and second for a great Rose Cup  
> weekend !!!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net 
> >
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:43 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
>
>
>> Amici,
>>
>> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.   
>> Mike
>> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here  
>> in
>> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the  
>> intent
>> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on  
>> Labor Day
>> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I  
>> bet he
>> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>>
>> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held  
>> up the
>> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal  
>> for Oregon
>> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars  
>> entered with
>> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>>
>> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 16 04:17:17 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
In-Reply-To: <2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<7F10D0728556475AA2EAB9C2BD565DB3@Pendys>
	<2A5074DB-2F8F-42BC-ADE5-61E9C3F84479@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <189799.52153.qm@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How could Peyote even think about filling any mirrors? It ain't that big. ;)
________________________________
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Mark
Pendergrass <mpendy at dishmail.net>
Cc: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:49:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination and
brief race report

I had a great time. SCCA races are not the same kind of
social thing that pure vintage races are, but there's a lot of fine folks that
I haven't seen for a while, it was really good to catch up. I should add a few
more SCCA and ICSSC events to my calendar.

Peyote did just fine. A great
number of people were entranced with either Peyote or Nero or both. I had a
pretty steady stream of curious visitors. Peyote looks very different, As I've
said before, it's almost pretty now, but at the same time it's very true to
it's origins. Surprising to see how much difference having straight metal and
a fine hand at fitting everything really makes. Tony Garmey did an amazing
job.

She also rocked on the track. Set a new personal lap record for
Portland--1:29:784. That is picking them up and puttin' them down my friends.
I have no problem remembering when I thought I'd never see 1:31. We had a
split start with open wheel cars going off first, and in the field of 30-odd
non-open wheel cars I finished third overall on Sunday, and second in VP2.
Lots of pretty darned good cars and fine drivers. I think folks were a little
shocked at what a giant killer this goofy little car is.  And that's with very
old tires and an engine that's done a stupendous number of events--basically
three very busy years without a rebuild.

Arnie Loyning took first in his
lotus elan, which was absolutely stunningly fast, turning 1:27: something and
setting a new track VP2 record. Arnie's a hell of a good driver but the car
was amazing. 1200 pounds and 180+ horsepower. Behind him was Dick Albrecht in
his very nice Shelby 350 mustang. I was filling Dick's mirrors in every turn
and I almost got past him a couple of times, but he finally got a little track
between us and I couldn't regain it.  I had a fine battle with Don Madsdens
Lotus S7, Mike Smith's GT350, and Norm Daniels Camaro, as well as an
assortment of Datsun 240Zs, a pretty wicked Dodge Charger, a Sunbeam Tiger and
some Alpha Romeos.

I really thought Peyote gaining 30 pounds would take a
toll in lap times, but it didn't. I had a throttle cable pop off during
Saturday's race, but other than that it was flawless all weekend.


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Jun 16 05:36:01 2009
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report
References: <9938D16DBA294E088A8A10A67F3E9C37@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <B7A6D468DE23461AB4E205A0A9C313F6@userb38463fba5>

I'll second that for certain.
Mark is a son-in law of a friend here in Hudson, OH. That car has some 
significant provenance having been raced almost all of it's life. 
Significant Mid-West / Chicago history. It was restored at one time by Bill 
Lynn of VTR fame and another Chicago man but I don't remember his name. I 
had a history of the car at one time and lost it in a hard disc crash. I may 
still have it on another computer. If not Mike may have it or I can get it 
from his father-in-law. The father-in-law has 1 of 2 TR2's that I'm aware of 
painted in the original Geranium (pink) color. Nice car too.
His father, Leo Mehl was Goodyear's Racing Tire Director for many years and 
I believe he was also involved in IRL stuff for awhile. So the car as well 
as the owners have a rich racing history.
It will make a nice race car.
I need to find that history too. May have some surprise in there.

JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination and brief race report


> Amici,
>
> I'd like to nominate Mike Mehl to join our Triumph racing group.  Mike
> introduced himself to me at this past weekend's Rose Cup races here in
> Portland.  He is a local that is currently preparing a TR4 with the intent
> of having it finished in time for the Columbia River Classic on Labor Day
> weekend.  From the photos he sent me, it sure looks possible, but I bet he
> can use our help with some of the details.  Do I hear a second?
>
> As for the Rose Cups, besides myself, Babcock and Pendergrass held up the
> Triumph honor.  This was an SCCA double regional with the normal for 
> Oregon
> Region Vintage race group.  There were nearly 50 vintage cars entered with
> 38 taking the green flag on Sunday.  The Triumph's all finished!
>
> We all had a pretty darn good weekend it seemed!
>
> Jim Norlin
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Tue Jun 16 10:46:06 2009
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] oil cooler
Message-ID: <C1044494D4424608AB9FBDE49BEDAE8B@Dell5100Laptop>

Guys. I have to buy a new oil cooler for my TR4 (11:1 CR, max 6500 rpm)
and am wondering what size others are using successfully.  Thanks, Don


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jun 16 15:07:13 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:07:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Paging Jack Woerhle - SVRA
Message-ID: <e465d78329744.4a380981@optonline.net>

Jack,  please contact me off list.  

Thanks
Todd Redmond
alfetta95 at optonline.net


From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 18:49:30 2009
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:49:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <798194804.4673731245199770675.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Who says miracles don't happen!! I just received an acceptance letter for this
year's Monterey Historics! Ole 65 TR4 #116 has made it to the big time! If
anyone plans on attending Monterey week, please look me up. I'll be going down
with Tony Garmey and John Long, who drives a 58 Devinn SS. Please look us up
in the paddock!



Regards,





JohnB 


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 19:21:44 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <FD5F87257D234ADEBCC973AEBC21CE34@Bud>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
To: <jcjcarrera at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics


> WOOHOOO!    Congratulations John!.....I love the Historics...and...as  a 
> race fan since 1953....and a Race Driver since 1968....I am glad to see 
> some more representation of How It 'REALLY' Was.....
> By the way..I'm still looking for one of my old Tr4 racecars....where did 
> yours come from?
> Racer Bud..
> Spitfire #21
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jcjcarrera at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics
>
>
>> Who says miracles don't happen!! I just received an acceptance letter for 
>> this
>> year's Monterey Historics! Ole 65 TR4 #116 has made it to the big time! 
>> If
>> anyone plans on attending Monterey week, please look me up. I'll be going 
>> down
>> with Tony Garmey and John Long, who drives a 58 Devinn SS. Please look us 
>> up
>> in the paddock!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JohnB
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From mpendy at dishmail.net  Tue Jun 16 22:09:49 2009
From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:09:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] oil cooler
References: <C1044494D4424608AB9FBDE49BEDAE8B@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <FE045058B3824EB5A6C15AE9BF032555@Pendys>

Don; My TR4 came with a 19 row cooler mounted directly at the left side 
headlight opening, it measured 10 in. wide by 5.5 in tall. It got hammerd by 
a 1/4 nut on track, ( still looking for that car by the way) It was from 
Earls Performance Plumbing . part # 41900. Then i installed a Mocal part 
#OC1163-8 cooler, it was a 16 row that measured 6 in. wide by 5 in tall, it 
did'nt last the three day Rose Cup weekend and developed an internal leak on 
track which made me very popular that day.Sunday morn. I installed a Setrab 
part #50-619-7612 , 19 row measuring 10.in wide by 5.5 in tall. The 
difference in oil temp was about 20 degrees between the larger ones verses 
the smaller one. 190degrees vrs.210. Temp. over the 3 day weekend was in the 
70s and air was pretty thick so gauge accordingly.The Mocal unit needed 
special adapta-fittings to utilize 10an fittings so be ware, they interfered 
with my hood a little bit.These measurements given are the actual cooling 
area, allow for bracketry. Bigger units cost app.165.00 smaller unit 135.00. 
These figures seemed the same for a 13.5 cr. and a 11.0 cr. engine running 
up to 7200 rpm and 6800rpm. Hope this info. helps. Mark Pendy tr4 #65
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Marshall" <ofbracing at nefcom.net>
To: "FOT" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] oil cooler


> Guys. I have to buy a new oil cooler for my TR4 (11:1 CR, max 6500 rpm)
> and am wondering what size others are using successfully.  Thanks, Don
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From bownes at seiri.com  Wed Jun 17 11:45:48 2009
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:45:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 17 11:54:08 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:54:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1D5ADEB81EF4D6A87D1C8B4C81C7F8D@joepentiumnew>

There is a place in Tyler Texas called Ssnake-Oyl Products that specializes
in seatbelt restoration.

www.ssnake-oyl.com

I ran across one of the owners a couple of years ago at the Barrett Jackson
Auction in Scottsdale.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 17 12:24:51 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had mine done last year at Crow in California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
They did a great job - very reasonable.

Dennis


 I know at least one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 12:23:38 2009
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:23:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>

Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores parachute
harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of robert bownes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have 3
6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.

Thanks!
Bob
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 12:36:49 2009
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:36:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <750262.13979.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E487CF6B-DC8D-4B4C-808C-630538CF5529@comcast.net>

You might try the manufacturer itself - I recall that Pyrotect will  
redo the ones I got from them.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

I had mine done last year at Crow in California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
They did a great job - very reasonable.

Dennis


I know at least one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 12:56:06 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:56:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>

Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to  
throw them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:

> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I  
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 12:59:28 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>

But will it be FIA date stamped?

On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote:

> Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores  
> parachute
> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of robert bownes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
>
> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I  
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 17 13:01:26 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:01:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c9ef78$bc599030$350cb090$@racer@comcast.net>
	<EE1B27AF-6BE8-45C3-909A-741A01550FF2@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <790DCD4D-5CD8-4208-BA83-E5FD80C41DD9@bnj.com>

I meant FIM of course.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> But will it be FIA date stamped?
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote:
>
>> Check your local private aviation airport for someone who restores  
>> parachute
>> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of robert bownes
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
>>
>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one  
>> company was
>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was.  
>> I have 3
>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole  
>> mess.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Jun 17 13:38:00 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4362ae390906171238t76a6c45ci14cb9afe3488fe06@mail.gmail.com>

I know G-Force does their belts, but when I checked into it it was
only a little cheaper then all out replacements due to shipping costs.

A.

2009/6/17 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
> Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to throw
> them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:
>
>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company was
>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I have
>> 3
>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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-- 
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Ottawa, ON, Canada
FIAT (Fast In A Turn)


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 17 13:50:03 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <289185.16326.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes and Yes - SFI tags
and the belts are half what I paid for the original Simpsons.
I am telling you - they are first rate.
It took them about a week to do the work.

Dennis
 
> For future referance, was there a significant cost
> savings over purchasing new belts?
>  
> Were the restored belts labeled with SFI or FIM tags?
>
> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Dennis DeLap
> <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I had mine done last year at Crow in
> California -  www.crowenterprizes.com
> They did a great job - very reasonable.
>
> Dennis


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun 17 14:28:40 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com><F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
	<4362ae390906171238t76a6c45ci14cb9afe3488fe06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A141E4CACFE84AB2BBD475C2D64B9295@rocky>

I discovered basically the same thing when I looked into getting my Simpson 
belts re-webbed.

Was easier just to buy a new set. But then, I offered my out-of-date belts 
for sale to autocrossers (who have no date requirement). Sold them for more 
than the difference between reweb and new, but it was still a cheap price to 
the solo guys.

'Nother trick. Last year I shared my car a few times in solo events with a 
skinny guy. Rather than readjust the lap belts back and forth each time, I 
just put my old laps in next to the new ones, connected to the same eyebolt 
and we each had our own set already adjusted to our individual needs 
(shoulder straps readjust every time anyway).

--Rocky


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andre Rousseau" <andre at gt6.ca>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing


>I know G-Force does their belts, but when I checked into it it was
> only a little cheaper then all out replacements due to shipping costs.
>
> A.
>
> 2009/6/17 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>:
>> Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to 
>> throw
>> them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one company 
>>> was
>>> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I 
>>> have
>>> 3
>>> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole mess.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bob


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 15:37:56 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:37:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
In-Reply-To: <F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
References: <d9f7bd330906171045m21eac93fkecdb679de2cd0901@mail.gmail.com>
	<F615AA80-E5A5-4737-810B-AD15803A3E19@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAHBCRXhsw2pBunqFivAv2xkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I give my old harnesses to young drivers who tune their cars.
They are always thankful about and I got writ of it.

Cheers
Chris (who bought new a new belt and are valid for another 5 years)

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2009 20:56
An: robert bownes
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing

Let me know if you find out, I have belts everywhere. Can't stand to
throw them away. They DO make good ways to attach hammocks to trees.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, robert bownes wrote:

> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least one
> company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who it was. I
> have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace the whole
> mess.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Thu Jun 18 02:00:14 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Justin Wagner:  Friends in the U.K.
Message-ID: <4A39F40E.5080103@greenheart.com>

I'm dialling in some plans to go the U.K. between the 19th and the 
26th.  I'm planning to attend at least one day at TR Register's 
International Weekend, being held at the Three Counties Showground, 
Malvern, 24-26 July.  (Yes, I plan to bring  some silicone valve cover 
gaskets.)   I may has a stop in Coventry.  I'm will be spending some 
time in London.  

I welcome any recommendations such as hotels, events, pubs, etc.

My schedule will likely get tight quickly, but I want to make the best 
of my time while there.

--Justin Wagner
jmwagnersales.com


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Thu Jun 18 06:51:38 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these
 problems?
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906180551v6937fb4fg1baacb874d512313@mail.gmail.com>

Ed:  Just noticed that you had asked a question!

I believe you're correct about it dropping out of OD as Susan was
coming out of one of the corners and yes the car was running very well
at the time.

We now have a new billet crank to put in her next engine so between
the billet rods she is currently running and the new billet crank I'm
hoping the bottom end will be bullet proof.  We'll see.....!

Brad



On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:55 AM, EDWARD

- Hide quoted text -
BARNARD<edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
> --- On Thu, 5/14/09, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Cranks: Was - Any connection between these
> problems?
> To: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:55 AM
>
> Jim: Five or six years ago we had a small journal 1296 that I built for Susan
> break between the rear main and the flywheel. I believe the circumstances were
> that it dropped out of overdrive at a very inopportune moment. The location of
> the break caused loss of propulsion without any further damage internally. If
> memory serves me correctly the engine was running it's strongest before the
> mishap, and Susan was mopping the track with her competition when it happened
> Do I remember correctly Susan and Brad?


From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 07:38:58 2009
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
Message-ID: <191197.50873.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ed Diehl


--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Gary Horstkorta <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] belt re-webbing
> To: "'robert bownes'" <bownes at seiri.com>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:23 PM
> Check your local private aviation
> airport for someone who restores parachute
> harnesses, they'll do just as good a job.
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of robert bownes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] belt re-webbing
> 
> Has anyone had belts/harnesses re-webbed? I know at least
> one company was
> offering it a while back, but darned if I can remember who
> it was. I have 3
> 6 point sets I'd much rather have re-webbed than replace
> the whole mess.
> 
> Thanks!
> Bob
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 18 20:18:37 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:18:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
Message-ID: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greetings FoT 

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040 under. 

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but I think 

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods. 

Any advice for the conversion ? 



Again, thankfull for your advice, 



Jim G. 


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 18 22:12:41 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:12:41 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <503019785.4014051245377917002.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKhPqXMzgi9PjOSN+rwNfGQBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 18 22:59:13 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:59:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAKhPqXMzgi9PjOSN+rwNfGQBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <2011235376.4049001245387553388.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IB  welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 19 07:21:20 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:21:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <891433.69228.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <393759269.4077441245417680551.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's a tr4



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:30:33 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing


Jim: Are we talking a TR2-4 motor, Spit motor, or TR6 motor?
Thanks - Ed

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
wrote:



From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:59 PM


Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IBB  welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com >
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net , "fot" < fot at autox.team.net >
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 19 07:57:29 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:57:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <CA511E7D22526C41A7423DF547825A5A040ECFB4BE@RDOEX2K7.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <308614840.4086241245419849988.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob,

I'm running the same plumbing arrangement. I built an over ride to the
electric valve that controls the sump

so I can manually control the oil sump when I want to. It's really odd that #
3 was the only cylinder affected.

Whatever it was took out the piston too, maybe the liner as well.



I may try my spare crank this time. I just wonder if there is something in the
crank oil passages that

just won't flush out.



jg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kramer" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:40:03 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Do you have the accusump plumbing routed properly? Could the pressure be
bumping up against the pump flow, an inline check valve or a remote filter? I
have it plumbed to dump into the center of the oil galley. I drilled out the
plug to take an AN8 or AN10/pipe thread adapter. Between that and normal oil
passageway problems it should be fine. I've been running wet liners since 1996
and haven't struggled with oiling issues.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:21 AM
To: EDWARD BARNARD
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

It's a tr4



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:30:33 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing


Jim: Are we talking a TR2-4 motor, Spit motor, or TR6 motor?
Thanks - Ed

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
wrote:



From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
To: "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 11:59 PM


Chris

I'm not sureB what caused it. IB was on my secondB race on the engine. It only
affected # 3.

I can only surmise a contaminant lodged in an oil passage. The oil was changed
after an hour

of break in and again after 3 hours and again right after the first race. New
filters every time.

This isn't the first time Iv'e toasted a low end because of oiling problems.

Ran perfectly during and after the first race, through practice and quali. on
the second race.

Three laps into the second race it gave up.

I have a new oil pump and blew the crank out real good before assembly.

I took great care in keeping things clean.

Since using the Castrol my oil pressure starts out at 80 plus psi but by the
end of the race drops

below 50. Goes right back up after it cools. I also have an oil sump that
kicks in at 25 psi.

IBB B welded in a windage tray after the last time.

These little tractor motors are a bit of a puzzle.



jg




----- Original Message -----
From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com >
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net , "fot" < fot at autox.team.net >
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:12:41 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: AW: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

What caused the bearing failure? Oil pressure drop? Misalignment?

Chris


-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] Im
Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 04:19
An: fot
Betreff: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before but
I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Fri Jun 19 13:44:32 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:44:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
Message-ID: <4A3BEAA0.5040501@cfl.rr.com>

For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?

thxx,
Bob


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 19 15:25:51 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:25:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
Message-ID: <15211366.1245446751311.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875 

Total Rotate Recip 
664 / 480 / 184



-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>
>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>
>thxx,
>Bob
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From dtalbott at archrepro.com  Fri Jun 19 17:17:54 2009
From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
References: <15211366.1245446751311.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3EC80C5B1E8C4D87A2ECDB95CD9E0078@LatitudeD530>

Make sure you know which generation of Carrillo's, as I believe they have 
produced at least two styles for the tractor motors.  I have an older set 
that is:

Total:                719
Rotating:           523
Reciprocating:   196

DT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods


>4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875
>
> Total Rotate Recip
> 664 / 480 / 184
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>>
>>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>>
>>thxx,
>>Bob
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From Dlhogye at aol.com  Fri Jun 19 21:05:51 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:05:51 EDT
Subject: [Fot] List check
Message-ID: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>

Hey folks,
   This is a call out to see if I've been missing anything. I haven't 
recieved any mail from the list in a while and I did recieve a forwarded message 
the other day. I hope all is well. I'm making steady progress on my TR3 
racecar and have begun the reassembly from a complete tear down. 
   Regards from Santa Cruz,
    Dave H.


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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jun 19 21:26:58 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:26:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] List check
In-Reply-To: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>
References: <c7e.30b59b1d.376dac0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <37610804B71F4763B3FAC79A53C0182B@joepentiumnew>

Dave,
You have missed a very large discussion about how it appears to be only the
AOL users who are not getting email.

My suggestion is to setup a free hotmail account and re-register to receive
your list mail there.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dlhogye at aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:06 PM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] List check

Hey folks,
   This is a call out to see if I've been missing anything. I haven't 
recieved any mail from the list in a while and I did recieve a forwarded
message 
the other day. I hope all is well. I'm making steady progress on my TR3 
racecar and have begun the reassembly from a complete tear down. 
   Regards from Santa Cruz,
    Dave H.


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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Sun Jun 21 06:45:46 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:45:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
In-Reply-To: <3EC80C5B1E8C4D87A2ECDB95CD9E0078@LatitudeD530>
Message-ID: <1573598104.4255681245588346009.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

FWIW, my experience with carillo is not very good.B  I would offer Pauter Rods
as an alternative to carillo (I have no connection to Pauter).B  Carillo
admitted to me that they weigh total and big end and then subtract and report
small end weight of rods.B  If anyone is interested contact me off line.

Ron K.

ReK Racing
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Talbott" <dtalbott at archrepro.com>
To: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>, "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>, "Friends
of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:17:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods

Make sure you know which generation of Carrillo's, as I believe they have
produced at least two styles for the tractor motors. B I have an older set
that is:

Total: B  B  B  B  B  B  B  B 719
Rotating: B  B  B  B  B  523
Reciprocating: B  196

DT

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] carillo rods


>4 PRO-H TM-TR4>-66250S 3/8 CARR 6.250 1.060 1.175 2.2330 0.875
>
> Total Rotate Recip
> 664 / 480 / 184
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Bob <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2009 12:44 PM
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] carillo rods
>>
>>For a TR3 motor, what is the typical weight of Carillo rod?
>>
>>thxx,
>>Bob
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jun 22 07:22:15 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT - diesel tractor over heating issues
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I know this is supposed to be about Triumph race cars but I need
help.  The obligatory Triumph content is if I have to work on this
tractor I won't be able to work on Susan's race motor.

While mowing with our small Ford 1700 tractor yesterday it all of a
sudden coughed, emitted a large amount of black sooty exhaust and
died.  Upon inspection it was found that it was low on coolant.
Refilled the radiator and started it up.  It ran for a little while
and then did the same thing.  Upon even closer inspection we found
that the temp gauge was registering "cold" yet there was little or no
coolant in the radiator.  It would seem that the temperature sensor
apparently reads ok when its not immersed in coolant.  The gauge is
working because after we filled it and ran it the temperature gauge
registered ok.

So I refilled the radiator again, left the cap off and cranked the
engine over.  As it was cranking there obvious bubbles coming from the
radiator filler opening in time with the cranking of the engine.  To
me this would be a strong indication that the problem is either a
blown head gasket or a cracked head.  Unless someone can point me in a
different direction it appears my next step is to pull the head to
check things out.   Oh yeah, didn't notice any coolant in the oil
either.

Any thoughts?!

Thanks,

Brad


From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon Jun 22 10:32:33 2009
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OT - diesel tractor over heating issues
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99bbf590906220932t2edc825cm5a846bf157532249@mail.gmail.com>

Well as I pretty much expected the concensus seems to be the head
gasket or head.  Weather and time permitting I'll be pulling the head
tonight to get a better idea of what happened.  I did stop by the
local New Holland dealer and picked up a new head gasket.  Total for
just the head gasket was $121.  As the parts counter guy told me,
treat it with care, its made of gold........

Thanks for all the replies.

Brad


From smnck at kansas.net  Mon Jun 22 13:30:48 2009
From: smnck at kansas.net (smnck)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001401c9f36f$f2b24aa0$d816dfe0$@net>

Our email address is HYPERLINK "mailto:smnck at kansas.net"smnck at kansas.net.
We were nominated by Rocky Entriken.

 

Thanks!

 

Dennis & Nancy Smith 

Concordia, KS

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 22 15:08:42 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Video from Hockenheim race
In-Reply-To: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAJNephpyu0BOsOBZcRgvgBkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

I'm not sure if this link does work but there is a chance:

http://picasaweb.google.de/tr4racing/TR4Racing#5350257132069819330

This is from the last weekend. New engine, lighter body.

A massive driving error did cause some fun on my side.

Cheers
Chris


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jun 22 18:35:50 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
Message-ID: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
"57 TR3 on the way back to the track"


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Mon Jun 22 19:02:28 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hauling 2 TR4's cross country
References: <798194804.4673731245199770675.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <29F2A41EE595492E8CF7A64E97E70167@hp532n>

Does anyone have any experience with what size trailer is the minimum that 
would work for hauling 2 TR4's cross country? I have a 2500HD Sierra so I'm 
hoping I can figure out and borrow an appropriate trailer.

Bob Kramer 


From Dlhogye at aol.com  Mon Jun 22 19:40:13 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:40:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] new email address for a FoT
Message-ID: <cf6.58036435.37718c7d@aol.com>

Ok, I'm changing my email address from aol to comcast for my FoT list 
contact. I hope that I don't miss anything else. The new address is 
dlhogye at comcast.net.

   Thanks,
    Dave Hogye


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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 07:24:24 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:24:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <913761907.4901131245762994936.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <45382720.4903111245763464582.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Now if that wasn't perfect timing.

Jim G




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:35:50 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] TR rods

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping B for new rods. B I came
across B Ireland B Racing on B the B west coast. Primarily supplying
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
"57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Jun 23 09:00:56 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>
References: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>

Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
That's a price we can afford!!

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] TR rods

All,

NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
the car back together for at least 18 months.

Bob
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 23 09:30:07 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
References: <4A402366.8050400@cfl.rr.com> <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906231129460.27879@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Tim Murphy wrote:

> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
> That's a price we can afford!!

http://www.bmw2002.com/

> Tim

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jun 23 09:52:08 2009
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
In-Reply-To: <000701c9f413$6b831b00$42895100$@com>
Message-ID: <20090623155208.IPYLV.191455.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

www.bmw2002.com



---- Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote: 
> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
> That's a price we can afford!!
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] TR rods
> 
> All,
> 
> NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came 
> across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying 
> performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He 
> says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers 
> and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of 
> 578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the 
> same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have 
> the car back together for at least 18 months.
> 
> Bob
> "57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 23 12:56:30 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
Message-ID: <1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>

Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to many 
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines at 
the moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near Grand 
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar) for 
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region, 
involved in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car Club 
at the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group of 
my friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began 
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so 
little -- and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him handily. 
Then we graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual 
friend who lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become 
this Spitfire guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the parking 
lots of KU those many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since then 
he's become my engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when I 
need help.

--Rocky Entriken 


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 23 13:03:03 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:03:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
In-Reply-To: <1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>
References: <549D67CC6E78417BB2028F131CA5EDFD@rocky>
	<1A034CC052774573B26A4A71966999F4@rocky>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304891@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Second!

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:57 PM
To: .Triumph List
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey

Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to
many
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines
at
the moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near
Grand
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar)
for
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region,
involved in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car
Club
at the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group
of
my friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so
little -- and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him
handily.
Then we graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual
friend who lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become

this Spitfire guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the
parking
lots of KU those many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since
then
he's become my engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when
I
need help.

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 23 13:04:12 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nominating Duane Bailey
Message-ID: <665117.25756.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Second; we can always use more Spit racers.
 
Welcome Duane.
 
Ernie

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:



Got another nomination -- Duane Bailey

Dunno why he's not been on this list for years. Certainly he's known to many
of us. But I just now talked to him (He's refreshing one of my engines at the
moment) and he gave me the go-ahead to put his name up.

Bailey, of course, owns West Michigan Imports in Byron Center (near Grand
Rapids), Mich. He's a Britcar specialist (Triumph, MG, Jensen, Jaguar) for
parts & repairs and a Spitfire racer, member of West Michigan Region, involved
in the race program at Grattan and GingerMan.

I've known Duane since we were both members of the Jayhawk Sports Car Club at
the University of Kansas. Actually I helped restart JSCC with a group of my
friends, and Duane shows up at the first rally we put on, then began
autocrossing his Pontiac GTO. His car was so big and my Spitfire so little --
and courses so much tighter then -- I usually beat him handily. Then we
graduated and I lost track of him for many years until a mutual friend who
lived in Grand Rapids reacquainted us and I found he'd become this Spitfire
guy. Long gone the GTO. Wonder if our contests on the parking lots of KU those
many years ago had anything to do with it? :-) Since then he's become my
engine specialist (trannies too) and the guy I call when I need help.

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From jimhearn1 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 23 23:42:44 2009
From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
Message-ID: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>

I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
Jim

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From dave at microworks.net  Wed Jun 24 00:21:21 2009
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <20090624062351.5565C18A452@autox.team.net>

If your just looking to run the car "fast" have you considered 
running in a NASA DE group to augment the actual races.  Would still 
give you plenty of seat time so that your not "too" rusty when you do 
go out for an actual race.

At 10:42 PM 6/23/2009, you wrote:
>I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
>originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
>races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
>apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
>two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
>with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
>I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
>warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
>vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>Jim
>
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>which had a name of winmail.dat]
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 07:33:43 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <000101c9f47a$26a49ec0$6401a8c0@blake1>
Message-ID: <49340101.5198791245850423462.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

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Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 24 07:42:02 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <7DEE0F92-C319-46F3-AB5E-BBE6BE6C4806@bnj.com>

Most vintage organizations do licensing, and it's not expensive. For  
that matter SCCA has an inexpensive vintage license that works  
everywhere.  SCCA vintage grids would definately include your car, as  
would all the northern cal races I can think of except Monterey and  
perhaps wine country.

On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:42 PM, jim hearn wrote:

> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that  
> was
> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local  
> vintage
> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing  
> license but
> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense  
> for one or
> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in  
> vintage races
> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that  
> currently.
> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete  
> enough to
> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that  
> sort of
> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any  
> ideas.
> Jim
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef  
> which had a name of winmail.dat]
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:17:03 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304907@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's not drilled yet but it will be this time. Any idea what size to drill it
out to ?



jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:49:00 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Is the oil passage to the center main enlarged? B It's got to feed two
rods, whereas the end mains feed only one.

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post
from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a
TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:19:56 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:19:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <000601c9f4d6$90962ef0$b1c28cd0$@com>
Message-ID: <942739365.5210561245853196252.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Tim,

They don't list them on the website. I called the owner, ( Jeff ) directly and
told him what I needed.



Jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:17:52 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,
B B B B B B B B Would you please send me the part number of the Ireland
Engineering
H-beam rods for the TR4 if you have it? B I'm interested in upgrading from
our stock, balanced rods. B At that price I can afford it. B Can't afford the
Carrillo rods.

Tim Murphy
1961 TR4 #317

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Greg & Alison Blake
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.





jim g




----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Jim,

Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a TR3
motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
up the rod as you suggest.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greetings FoT

I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
under.

It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
but I think

it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.

Any advice for the conversion ?



Again, thankfull for your advice,



Jim G.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun 24 08:24:31 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:24:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emery
	ville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401304907@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<1019849711.5209651245853023274.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090624142507.A1755187C13@autox.team.net>

I took mine up 1/16" from whatever diameter is was to start with.

Jack's note on this is: "Be careful not to drill too deep, and 
remember that when the holes intersect, the drill will catch and try 
to break your wrist."

- Tony Drews

At 09:17 AM 6/24/2009, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
>It's not drilled yet but it will be this time. Any idea what size to drill it
>out to ?
>
>
>
>jim g
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Barr" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:49:00 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>Mazatlan
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Is the oil passage to the center main enlarged? B It's got to feed two
>rods, whereas the end mains feed only one.
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:34 AM
>To: Greg & Alison Blake
>Cc: fot
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Greg,
>
>I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post
>from
>Ireland Engineering.
>
>They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.
>
>I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
>contaminant in an oil passage.
>
>
>
>
>
>jim g
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
>To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16:18 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
>Mazatlan
>Subject: RE: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Jim,
>
>Sorry I don't know, but what car is this for? B I run Chevy rods in a
>TR3
>motor. B I can tell you, they are bullet proof, but there is some
>complication on the piston guided rod setup I am using. B I do not weld
>up the rod as you suggest.
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
>Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:19 PM
>To: fot
>Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
>
>Greetings FoT
>
>I spun my # 3 rod bearing last weekend and my crank is already at .040
>under.
>
>It turned the rod blue so it's toast. I know it's been discussed before
>but I think
>
>it may be time to weld the crank and go to Chevy rods.
>
>Any advice for the conversion ?
>
>
>
>Again, thankfull for your advice,
>
>
>
>Jim G.
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Jun 24 08:46:19 2009
From: gasket.works at gte.net (mordy)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR rods
References: <20090623155208.IPYLV.191455.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>
Message-ID: <005801c9f4da$8953ace0$2502a8c0@hp2572664f9a91>

Speak to Jeff  (Jeff Ireland).  He is a VARA Board Member and a long time 
racer.  His shop is perhaps 1 mile from mine.  I know he has been selling 
Rods for various applications but, really don't know their pedigree.  But, 
has had them for several years now...



Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
www.Headgasket.com
626.358.1616 ph
626.628.3777 fx

Triple R Munitions, Inc.
Class 6  Certified F.F.L.
626.201.9471
GMT -8 Pacific


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "'Friends of Triumph'" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <rpm724 at att.net>; <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR rods


> www.bmw2002.com
>
>
>
> ---- Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:
>> Do you have the address, phone number or web site for Ireland Racing?
>> That's a price we can afford!!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Bob
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:36 PM
>> To: Friends of Triumph
>> Subject: [Fot] TR rods
>>
>> All,
>>
>> NFI. Something of interest if you are shopping  for new rods.  I came
>> across  Ireland  Racing on  the  west coast. Primarily supplying
>> performance parts for BMW but has H beam rods for Triumphs as well. He
>> says there are 5 or 6 Triumph guys using them and a lot of BMW racers
>> and everyone is happy. They are priced at $145 each. Total weight of
>> 578grams. Supplied with ARP bolts. Shot peened and degassed....all the
>> same features of Carillo rods. I have a set on the way but won't have
>> the car back together for at least 18 months.
>>
>> Bob
>> "57 TR3 on the way back to the track"
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From rkrantz77 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 08:53:27 2009
From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (rkrantz77 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:53:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing
In-Reply-To: <1156618541.5367791245854501007.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1269491887.5373361245855207409.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Jim,

Has Kas given any input on this?B  The problem with tractor motors is the 3
main bearing design.B  The center main has to supply oil to the #2 and #3 rod
bearings.B  On Spitfire engines I open up the Center main holes to the rods
and the entrance hole to allow more oil flow out to the rods.B  RPM and main
bearing diameterB areB two of the major factors that influence oil flow
(centrifical force).B  Rod bearing diametral and side clearance are the major
factors controling oil retention/flow at the rod journals.B  I would suspect
excess side clearance as a root cause of your failure if #2 bearing was not
showing signs of bearing distress.

Ron K

ReK Racing

----- Original Message -----
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
To: "Greg & Alison Blake" <ablake2 at austin.rr.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:33:43 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spun a d#@n bearing

Greg,

I have decided to go with the H beam rods mentioned in yesterday's post from
Ireland Engineering.

They are just like the Carillo's. They are for a TR4.

I still can't figure out why # 3 rod would quit oiling other than a
contaminant in an oil passage.

jim g


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 13:07:33 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:07:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
Message-ID: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Has anyone else had problems with FoT mail ? Mark Eden hasn't recieved any in a week. 


From budscars at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 13:32:19 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] test email
Message-ID: <357A972FC5A6411486F33E55B187420A@Bud>

TEST


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 14:42:11 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:42:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <4D3469F27EA74C4E9DB4B918951CBEA3@Bud>
Message-ID: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Is the problem with AOL users ? 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net> 
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:33:14 PM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz / Mazatlan 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail 

i just sent a test email to FOT...it came thru to me fine 
Racer Bud 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> 
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "E, Mark" <EDENMA at aol.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:07 PM 
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail 


> Has anyone else had problems with FoT mail ? Mark Eden hasn't recieved any 
> in a week. 
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Wed Jun 24 14:56:30 2009
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.c
	omcast.net>
References: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

On Wed, June 24, 2009 4:42 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> Is the problem with AOL users ?

Yup, Mark E.  seems to have an AOL address.
Same problem that's been going around.

Just say no....
John


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Jun 24 15:03:24 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
References: <1097333447.5333261245876131724.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<92deadca18fb1f13c8a561a88268f519.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>
Message-ID: <1AB67602B8ED449A90F19154EC9B2ED0@joepentiumnew>

One would think that AOL Users would finally get another Email service after
all the continuous problems that have surrounded AOL through the years.  

You can keep AOL and switch to one of the free EMAIL services (like Hotmail)
for the List activities.

Seems simple enough.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of rjl6n at cstone.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:57 PM
To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Members are not getting mail

On Wed, June 24, 2009 4:42 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:
> Is the problem with AOL users ?

Yup, Mark E.  seems to have an AOL address.
Same problem that's been going around.

Just say no....
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 24 15:19:26 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:19:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot]  Video from Hockenheim race
In-Reply-To: <1BE11C8293A94027B27E43C995059D88@KasPC>
References: <f99bbf590906220622v6fda2348qd00d94ea8f9a780a@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAAJNephpyu0BOsOBZcRgvgBkBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>
	<1BE11C8293A94027B27E43C995059D88@KasPC>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADB609xTkH9Aiiet8z0UXpTCgAAAEAAAALHYKKXKY05HuVvy+EWDIPEBAAAAAA==@googlemail.com>

Photos:

http://www.triumph-competition.de/fotos/aktuell/30


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 20:23:47 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 figure 8 gaskets
Message-ID: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>

Standard steel figure 8s are 15 thou thick.
I got some copper ones from Dave at TRF that I would like to use but they are
19 thou.
Are they thicker because they will crush?
Without the figure 8s my liners are all depressed 11 thou so I don't have any
measurement issues.
Bruce


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 24 21:27:12 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
In-Reply-To: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <855882919.5306711245870453613.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4A42EE90.6000903@bradakis.com>

There may be a few folks on this list that know I've been providing
Team.Net services in one form or another for over 20 years.  At one
point I actually did the math, as they say.  AOL people were something
like a mere 5.6% of the total subscribers, but they were generating
about 29% of the total number of error messages I had to waste my
time processing.

Some things never change.

mjb.


From billb at bnj.com  Wed Jun 24 21:52:56 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 figure 8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>
References: <1B9AB518C9AD4C538EA1A37F603177AE@ComputerPC>
Message-ID: <14977AC9-8CEF-4BDC-A810-7EE4424ACAA0@bnj.com>

No the copper will not compress. It can deform more easily to  
accommodate a burr or other irregularity, but it won't compress at all.
On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Stutzman wrote:

> Standard steel figure 8s are 15 thou thick.
> I got some copper ones from Dave at TRF that I would like to use but  
> they are
> 19 thou.
> Are they thicker because they will crush?
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Members are not getting mail
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Thu Jun 25 08:58:14 2009
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

 

Just my thoughts,

 

Tim


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jun 25 09:36:28 2009
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:36:28 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Bernie does not like it if someone else makes money on a Grand Prix. He
is like Daffy Duck, It's mine, ALL MINE! 
There was almost no one at the Phoenix, USGPs in 89 -91, and no one
seemed to care, other than the city. I'm sure they wanted more people. It
is broadcast to the world, that's where the money is, anyway.
Throwing aside your history and heritage by doing away with Silverstone
is inexcusable.
Bill
 
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:58:14 -0500 "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
writes:
> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should 
> take the
> hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, 
> Silverstone had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for 
> the race
> and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off 
> the
> schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the 
> North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North 
> Americans don't
> take kindly to extortion.
> 
>  
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> 
>  
> 
> Tim
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 09:45:44 2009
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:45:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
Message-ID: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B 

Just my thoughts,

B 

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 09:57:46 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
References: <20090625.093628.3812.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, William G Rosenbach wrote:

> Bernie does not like it if someone else makes money on a Grand Prix. He
> is like Daffy Duck, It's mine, ALL MINE!

No argument.

Plus he's short. Can you say Napoleon?

> There was almost no one at the Phoenix, USGPs in 89 -91, and no one
> seemed to care, other than the city. I'm sure they wanted more people. It
> is broadcast to the world, that's where the money is, anyway.

I went to Phoenix in 90 and 91. I thought it was awesome. There was nobody 
there, and you could get fairly good track access for qualifying on FRI.

The races were actually pretty good too. I was sad to see that race go, I 
would have gone again and again. Oh well.

> Throwing aside your history and heritage by doing away with Silverstone
> is inexcusable.

Totally agreed.

> Bill

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 25 09:58:49 2009
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:58:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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I suppose the reason for no race at Silverstone is, that the track won't like
any more F1 races.
Same at Hockenheim. They are on the schedule for 2010 and said - NO. Too
expensive to host a F1 race.
Each F1 on a German track does cost the track 6.000.000 b,. More than these
track companies can afford and the little racers like me has to pay for.
I don't like to pay the F1 racers to have their fun with my entry fee.

So from my part, I don't care about "no F1 races in Germany" in short future.
I'm more keen on sports car races anyway.

Cheers
Chris

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 17:46
An: Tim Murphy
Cc: fot
Betreff: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B

Just my thoughts,

B

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:00:20 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:00:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>

FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money for 
charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
Racer Bud..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
To: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
> Bernie's
>
> bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a 
> race
>
> in the UK or North America.
>
> Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in 
> Turkey
>
> or Spain than the UK or North America ?
>
> No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.
>
> I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get 
> to
> replace
>
> the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?
>
> Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship
>
> Bernie & Max just need to run away together.
>
>
>
> jim g.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
> Mazatlan
> Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take 
> the
> hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone 
> had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the 
> race
> and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
> schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans 
> don't
> take kindly to extortion.
>
> B
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> B
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 25 10:04:35 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:04:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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References: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
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Oh, there will definitely be a Formula 1 race in Britain next year.  The
Donnington Park facility is being renovated per Bernie's specifications for
that purpose.

The hitch in the plan is that it is way behind schedule leaving many to
speculate that it won't be ready in time.  So Silverstone might be hosting
just one more F1 race.

The UK is just too big of a money maker for Bernie to leave it out of the
schedule.  Silverstone is owned by the British Driver's club so Bernie can't
get his grubby fists around as much of the proceeds as he would like.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:46 AM
To: Tim Murphy
Cc: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

At some point the manufacturers are going to put thier foot down, or up
Bernie's

bumm. How can they spend the kind of money they do on F1 and not have a race

in the UK or North America.

Does anyone but B.E think more Ferraris, Mercedes or BMW's are sold in
Turkey

or Spain than the UK or North America ?

No Silverstone..the birthplace of F1, B it's madness.

I'm not so sure a breakaway series was such a bad idea. Who would F1 get to
replace

the current teams, would they just simply elevate everyone in GP2 ?

Force India could actually contend for an F1 championship

Bernie & Max just need to run away together.



jim g.






----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone
had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the
race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B 

Just my thoughts,

B 

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:05:16 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:05:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
Message-ID: <A22C0969DD94419CB6312EFB28461C7B@Bud>

Remember what F1 did to the fans at Indy?.....the tire B.S. a few years 
ago...No 'legal tires' available, so instead of making an emergency rule 
change for the fans......The people who traveled thousands of miles to see a 
race got to see 5 or 6 cars touring around...It was disgusting...
Racer Bud
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed.  As an 
> added
> plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall.  Bernie E. should take the
> hint and leave also.  If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone 
> had
> 100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days.  Turkey had about 30,000 for the 
> race
> and very few for practice and qualifying.  But Silverstone is off the
> schedule for next year?  And no North American race?  Guess the North
> American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans 
> don't
> take kindly to extortion.
>
>
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
>
>
> Tim
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:10:52 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:

> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money for 
> charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...

Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.

They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
"clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.

Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.

Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?

That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
club track.

Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.

> Racer Bud..

Have a nice day!
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:12:35 2009
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <A22C0969DD94419CB6312EFB28461C7B@Bud>
References: <000001c9f5a5$5e93e710$1bbbb530$@com>
	<A22C0969DD94419CB6312EFB28461C7B@Bud>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251211301.5333@isis.mit.edu>

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:

> Remember what F1 did to the fans at Indy?.....the tire B.S. a few years 
> ago...No 'legal tires' available, so instead of making an emergency rule 
> change for the fans......The people who traveled thousands of miles to see a 
> race got to see 5 or 6 cars touring around...It was disgusting...

So was the US fans tossing beer at the track. Which, I might ad is a 
common occurrance at NASCAR events.

It goes both ways and was embarrasing at many levels.

> Racer Bud

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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:35:03 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <CF9C7F90F12A45A0ABCC67D14A40C148@Bud>

Robert Lang..It appears that you are ADDING to my text, rather than 
commenting on/responding to it...i'm sure that is inadvertent, but it sends 
a misrepresentation of my message...
thanks
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: <toodamnfunky at comcast.net>; "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; "fot" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:
>
>> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
>> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
>> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
>
> Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.
>
> They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.
>
> Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.
>
> Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?
>
> That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> club track.
>
> Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.
>
>> Racer Bud..
>
> Have a nice day!
> rml
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 10:45:40 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] f1...Nascar Helps Us Race
Message-ID: <E6DDBB35A03645D582B6F9367BCACB53@Bud>

Another comment about NASCAR......and Road courses.....In northern Ca......we
would not have Infineon(Sears Point) if it were not for NASCAR..The track
struggled for years and years until  Bruton. Bmith bought it and invested many
millions in it to make it desirable to NASCAR..With NASCAR as a foundation,
the track can continue to operate...hosting.... SCCA....CSRG...HSR WEST(begins
this year)...GeneralRacing.....NASA.....NHRA...RUSSELL RACING.....PORSCHE
CLUB....BMW CLUB....KARTING......BICYCLE RACING....and countless other
groups....
Racer Bud


From tlizzard at msn.com  Thu Jun 25 11:05:19 2009
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:05:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Message-ID: <BAY116-DS14C58EEBA10484BAFE30EC3340@phx.gbl>

If I read the story correctly there will still be spending caps, which none of
the top teams want, and there will be technology sharing.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

F1 has now taken a big step down the slippery slope of spec racing.  Joy, more
IRL cars.  And about as exciting as a FF race.

The heart and soul of Formula One is technical innovation.  It's not giving
your secrets to the other guy to "even the playing field".

The constructors should have stuck to their guns.

Terry Stetler

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com<mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com>>
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:58:14 AM GMT -07:00 Chihuahua / La Paz /
Mazatlan
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Looks like the FIA "blinked" first and the FOTA has prevailed. B As an added
plus "Mad Max" Mosley will be gone in the Fall. B Bernie E. should take the
hint and leave also. B If I heard correctly on the broadcast, Silverstone had
100,000 fans in attendance all 3 days. B Turkey had about 30,000 for the race
and very few for practice and qualifying. B But Silverstone is off the
schedule for next year? B And no North American race? B Guess the North
American market is not big enough for Bernie, plus the North Americans don't
take kindly to extortion.

B

Just my thoughts,

B

Tim
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 25 11:36:55 2009
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:36:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <BAY116-DS14C58EEBA10484BAFE30EC3340@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY116-DS14C58EEBA10484BAFE30EC3340@phx.gbl>
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Terry,
There is no budget cap.  The agreement is that the teams have 2 years to get
their spending down to the levels that were in effect in the early 1990's.
That said, It is not clear if the figures will be adjusted for inflation or
the actual Dollars that were spent.  If it is actual dollars, the spending
will definitely be severely restricted.

The win for the teams is that they have a set of rules that applies to all
teams and is for the most part stationary.  So they will not have to scrap
the current car and start all over for the next season's rule set.  This
will allow them to fix the deficiencies of the previous year rather than
start with a clean sheet of paper.  That in itself will save a lot of
development time and money.

True, they didn't get everything they wanted but that is the way
negotiations go.  You strive for a Win-Win situation and each party has to
drop some of its demands in order to reach consensus.

I for one am pleased that the sanctity (if not the sanity) of F1 remains in
place.

Cheers,
Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Terry Stetler
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:05 AM
To: fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

If I read the story correctly there will still be spending caps, which none
of
the top teams want, and there will be technology sharing.

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.

F1 has now taken a big step down the slippery slope of spec racing.  Joy,
more
IRL cars.  And about as exciting as a FF race.

The heart and soul of Formula One is technical innovation.  It's not giving
your secrets to the other guy to "even the playing field".

The constructors should have stuck to their guns.

Terry Stetler


From sm1ski at dslextreme.com  Thu Jun 25 12:03:53 2009
From: sm1ski at dslextreme.com (michael a kowalski)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>

add the story of Pikes Peak International Raceway to the mix of tracks (with 
road courses) that were shunted aside because of NASCAR manipulations.

mike kowalski
FP spit
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "RACER BUD" <budscars at comcast.net>
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote:
>
>> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
>> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
>> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans...
>
> Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money.
>
> They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon.
>
> Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E.
>
> Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"?
>
> That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> club track.
>
> Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham.
>
>> Racer Bud..
>
> Have a nice day!
> rml
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From westerneagleracing at att.net  Thu Jun 25 13:57:34 2009
From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:57:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu>
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Mike,
PPIR has a new owner and is running club events.
Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from "michael a kowalski" <sm1ski at dslextreme.com>: -------------- 


> add the story of Pikes Peak International Raceway to the mix of tracks (with 
> road courses) that were shunted aside because of NASCAR manipulations. 
> 
> mike kowalski 
> FP spit 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Lang" 
> To: "RACER BUD" 
> Cc: "fot" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:10 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first 
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, RACER BUD wrote: 
> > 
> >> FI...i have no interest in it anymore..........NASCAR knows how to treat 
> >> their fans.....I spent fri-sun at Infineon selling beer to raise money 
> >> for charity....Everything about NASCAR is about the fans... 
> > 
> > Ummm, not to be too contrary - I think NASCAR is all about the money. 
> > 
> > They will not stop until V8's are banned and they've pushed all the 
> > "clubs" out of the tracks. In a way, a lot like the Walmart phenomenon. 
> > 
> > Case in point - NHMS is now owned by Brunton (or one of those guys) and 
> > they've closed the road course (which sucked anyway, but that's not the 
> > point). 70% of the track activity is club racing and track days. But 90% 
> > of the money comes from NASCAR. Sounds simple on the surface, but the 
> > concessions that NASCAR gets to run there is absolute murder on the local 
> > clubs - for example NASCAR gets unmuffled for any dates they have, all the 
> > other clubs get 100 dba noise. They're talking about making a road course, 
> > but as of right now, it's all talk. No action at all (other than closing 
> > parts of the track for now and permanently in the future. Note that what 
> > they are closing is/was home to one of the oldest racing facilities in the 
> > country (formerly Briar Motorsports Park). G-O-N-E. 
> > 
> > Try to build a track in east overshoe, nowhere. Unless there's a serous 
> > employment deficit, the locals ask first "will NASCAR be using the track"? 
> > 
> > That question completely halted negotiations on more than one occasion 
> > with my local SCCA region who was/is) trying to purchase land and build a 
> > club track. 
> > 
> > Money is the only thing that NASCAR is about. And they will act like a 
> > good neighbor 'till they can kick you out. And they have really good 
> > lawyers. The down-home thing is a sham. 
> > 
> >> Racer Bud.. 
> > 
> > Have a nice day! 
> > rml 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 16:46:13 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako>
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Message-ID: <226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>

Hi Gang.....Out here in High Priced California.....We lose small tracks on a 
regular basis because of property values...We were about to lose stockton 99 
and Petaluma Speedway to development when the real estate market crashed and 
they were spared....
In an area like this, WE NEED NASCAR MONEY to make race tracks 
feasible...NASCAR is not just about the sprint Cup...It's about the grass 
roots oval tracks...I've been a road racer for 41 years...I've loved oval 
track the whole time too, and to me, it's sure more fun to watch...Racing is 
Racing..it's about 'Balls To The Wall' Stuff....Nascar has a huge fan 
base....they are obviously doing things correctly.
 One type of racing is not any better than another...we have our favorites, 
that's all....
Racer Bud..........


From adams910 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 20:08:26 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:08:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>
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	<226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud>
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Nascar saved Watkins Glen.

Bob


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun 25 20:20:22 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:20:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.co
  m>
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Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of all 
of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.

I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and 
European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and 
dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.

I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look 
down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.  It's 
ALL racing.

I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing series.

- Tony Drews


From budscars at comcast.net  Thu Jun 25 20:23:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw: NASCAR AT INFINEON
Message-ID: <F6B180A1AF7C48DEBA1EA4BD4E80183C@Bud>

----- Original Message -----
From: RACER BUD
To: RACER BUD
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: NASCAR AT INFINEON


Here we are Gang.....JIMMY 'THE MARS MAN 'HARRIS....RACER
BUD...and....SHANNON..'UNLIMITED SPIRIT SCHMIDT', Havn' an obviously
...Woooohooo..FUN Time at NASCAR...GO BABY GO!
Racer Bu7d
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs106.snc1/5054_1081775650003_13
94673455_30212169_1178344_n.jpg


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jun 25 21:16:12 2009
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:16:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <2058719388.5546671245944744779.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><052C7658AD954325AF5928DEEA425E0A@Bud><Pine.LNX.4.62L.0906251201300.5333@isis.mit.edu><F81C24A77C394A7BA8830F07F3EE883B@sarako><062520091957.16306.4A43D6AE000B218800003FB222193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net><226282F66EB0462093FF11706D9645A2@Bud><673993c50906251908u6c7b21f7kcad5005c317757f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7C244E1E6A9740F083D38C6DD96503FF@rocky>

I've always held the opinion that any race with two (or more) cars in close 
competition with each other is a good race, whether it lasts 24 hours or 4 
seconds.

To drive, I'll choose road racing. And autocross.

To watch, I'll choose ... what's on?

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of all of 
> them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and 
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and dirt). 
> Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look down 
> their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.  It's ALL 
> racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing 
> series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________


From Dlhogye at aol.com  Thu Jun 25 22:00:15 2009
From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:00:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Hello Listers
Message-ID: <c5f.55ca1408.3775a1cf@aol.com>

   Hello Listers, 'said in a very sad voice.'
   I've been trying without satisfactory results to rectify the problem I'm 
having with receiving list email through aol. I've started a new address 
with comcast for my list email only for now. But I may have foiled my first 
attempt at the subscription process. I'm not sure what I may have done. 
Perhaps I should be sending this message through my comcast address, but I haven't 
recieved any list mail with that address either, so I don't think I'm 
hooked up yet. I'm bummed that I've been missing out on FoT communications. I 
hope that I get it worked out soon. I miss you guys, sniff.

   Dave H.


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From billb at bnj.com  Thu Jun 25 23:41:29 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:41:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <20090626022059.BD9F418766B@autox.team.net>
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Amen, tony.

As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any  
insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and  
NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In  
business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting  
someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping  
someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all  
anyone has time or focus for.

For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some  
stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.


On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of  
> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and  
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and  
> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing  
> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.   
> It's ALL racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"  
> racing series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jun 26 06:01:50 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:01:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
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Not all racing is created equal.  To love all racing is to ignore all the
politics of it.  I've always hated the IRL because of how the situation with
CART (which I liked)went down and their desire to eliminate all the road
courses.  I'm apparently not alone because lots of die hard Indy 500 fans
decided to mow their lawns instead of watch the race when the IRL took over.



My son Connor and I drove our Elva Courier at the local Porsche club autocross
this last weekend.  He's the third generation of Morrison's to drive it.  That
was fun.......................Cheers Henry

> From: rocky at spitfire4.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:16:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> I've always held the opinion that any race with two (or more) cars in close
> competition with each other is a good race, whether it lasts 24 hours or 4
> seconds.
>
> To drive, I'll choose road racing. And autocross.
>
> To watch, I'll choose ... what's on?
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
>
> > Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series. There are fans of all of
> > them on this forum. They all have their good and bad points.
> >
> > I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan. I also like IRL, Aussie and
> > European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and dirt).
> > Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
> >
> > I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing look down
> > their nose at others who like a different kind of racing. It's ALL
> > racing.
> >
> > I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad" racing
> > series.
> >
> > - Tony Drews
> > _______________________________________________
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jun 26 06:29:37 2009
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.>>

Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.



----- Original Message -----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first

Amen, tony.

As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any  
insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and  
NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In  
business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting  
someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping  
someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all  
anyone has time or focus for.

For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some  
stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.


On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:

> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of  
> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>
> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and  
> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and  
> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>
> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing  
> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.   
> It's ALL racing.
>
> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"  
> racing series.
>
> - Tony Drews
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 26 06:48:11 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:48:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
Message-ID: <338658.82554.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I'll be plugged into Vs. and the offical website for updates.  Very
interesting route this year.

--- On Fri, 6/26/09, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:



<<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes
fast.>>

Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jun 26 07:00:42 2009
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:00:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] The Glenwood report
Message-ID: <BLU116-W12569C0506BA45196C6B5090350@phx.gbl>

I know many of you have been waiting with baited breath to find out how the
TR6 and TR7 Dolly Sprint faired at this year's Glenwood Springs Rally.  The
Dolly Sprint left town without passing the emissions test and getting a
license plate so I went to my big stack of plates, picked out one from Belgium
and we headed out.  Immediately I noticed that the just rebuilt alternator was
not putting out so by Santa Fe the battery was dead.  Additionally the car was
running on two, three or four cylinders depending on the mood of the gods of
conductivity.  We limped along this way all the way to Denver with the
alternator occasionally working and various brackets breaking and loosing
bolts along the way.  A couple of overpriced glasses of wine at dinner even
had the Bride talking to me again.



Friday morning, in an act of desperation, I went to Sportscar Craftsmen in
Denver 45 minutes before the Rally for a tune up.  They have a really cool
shop if you're ever in Denver check it out.  They replaced some wires,
brackets and tightened up the license plate that was starting to fall off, and
got the car briefly back on four cylinders so away we went.  We did not win
the rallye.  My Bride and #1 son ran the TR6 down on fuel to where the crap
still left in the gas tank shut the car down 'til I could get there and
perform a little mouth to tank resusitation.  The TR6 didn't win the rally
either.



Somewhere along the next two days I figured out the coil wire ran about two
inches where it contacted the fire wall andmust have been shorting because a
tie wrap to a nearby radiator hose made the car run on four cylinders except
when climbing the steepest hills.



#2 son and Bride decided the pool was going to be more fun than the tour so #1
son and I ran the tour in the TR6. I think we only missed one question but
still we didn't place in the tour. I guess we should have worked a little
harder on the extra credit questions on BMC color schemes and differences in
badge engineering.



I thought after last year, when there was one car in the "Triumphs Other"
category, that our 50-50 paint job on the TR7 would be good enough for a
prize.  Not to be.  It must have been year of the wedge cause there was
another really nice 7, 8 and the most beautiful late model Spitfire on the
planet (who restores one of those?).



The trip home was fairly uneventful even though the charging system in the 7
had completely shut down.

We just played musical batteries with the TR6 that was performing brilliantly
even with near zero oil pressure at idle.  The TR7 would last about 5 hours on
a battery so we only had to switch twice on the journey back to Albuquerque.



The trip also included a pretty good tour of the French Restauraunts of
Central Colorado, whose expense began to rival the parts and repair bills of
the Leyland cars.  If you ever frequent Hesperus, Colorado, do not miss the
Kennebec Cafe.  Tres bien.



Back in Albuquerque, Cylinder #1 on the 7 had completely gone Winchester so I
switched out the new style distributor cap with a new original style cap and
the car ran perfectly, after 1500 miles of not so perfect performance.



My Bride would like to add at this point how much she enjoyed the feel and
performance of Leyland's new IRS rear suspension on the TR6 and the way only
two people were required to quickly and easily roll up the windows.  She
became entranced by the streamlined beauty offered by Triumph's TR7 and amazed
by how simply jumper cables could be deployed to escape from any convenience
store predicament.



Cheers,  Henry, Chris, Connor and Jake Morrison.  Cedar Crest, New Mexico


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jun 26 09:38:32 2009
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <F696496E-76BE-4396-AA6D-3797985225C5@charter.net>

Sailboat racing too.
On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> <<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it  
> goes fast.>>
>
> Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are  
> nuts.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Amen, tony.
>
> As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any
> insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and
> NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In
> business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting
> someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping
> someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all
> anyone has time or focus for.
>
> For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some
> stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of
>> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>>
>> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and
>> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and
>> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>>
>> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing
>> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.
>> It's ALL racing.
>>
>> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"
>> racing series.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 10:16:00 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:16:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FIA blinks first
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3DB7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <60E53062994C47CEBE3412954B3B4B94@Bud>

The cycling is wild stuff..downhill especially....2 tiny patches of 
adhesion...feet cleated to the pedals....and then there's the pace 
line....5-6" apart doing 25 mph...in a pack...the bikes in the center can 
get a 20% advantage
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <billb at bnj.com>; <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first


> <<I even like some stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes 
> fast.>>
>
> Tour de France downhill stretches in the mountains.  Those guys are nuts.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
> To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri Jun 26 00:41:29 2009
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FIA blinks first
>
> Amen, tony.
>
> As far as NASCAR killing off tracks or other racing, I don't have any
> insider information, but that doesn't sound like business to me, and
> NASCAR is a business. I doubt they have any nefarious plans. In
> business you pay attention to your own deal. It's never about cutting
> someone else's legs out from under them, and it's rarely about helping
> someone else stay afloat. You simply do your own deal. That's all
> anyone has time or focus for.
>
> For me, if it goes fast and has a motor, I like it. I even like some
> stuff that doesn't have a motor, as long as it goes fast.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Tony Drews wrote:
>
>> Easy on the bashing of whatever racing series.  There are fans of
>> all of them on this forum.  They all have their good and bad points.
>>
>> I'm a big Nascar fan AND a big F-1 fan.  I also like IRL, Aussie and
>> European Touring Cars, NHRA, Motorcycle racing (both paved and
>> dirt).  Heck, I even like watching the swamp buggies.
>>
>> I personally find it odd that folks that LOVE one type of racing
>> look down their nose at others who like a different kind of racing.
>> It's ALL racing.
>>
>> I respect everyone's opinion, but ask for tolerance of the "bad"
>> racing series.
>>
>> - Tony Drews
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 26 11:44:57 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
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Message-ID: <001b01c9f685$d2884900$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi

I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.

deweerdm at rogers.com


Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
[mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] 
Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul MacDonald
Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph


Paul

Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
Mike late in April/09 see below.

I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.

Thanks,Peter


Peter Bulkowski

----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----
                                                                           
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 Hi Peter                                                                   
 It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the         
 festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to   
 Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an  
 existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's 
 house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you   
 can sign me up??                                                           
 Thanks                                                                     
 Cheers Mike                                                                


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jun 26 11:47:46 2009
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <001b01c9f685$d2884900$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
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Second.  Welcome Mike!

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul MacDonald 
Date: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
To: Fot 
Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca, deweerdm at rogers.com

> Hi
> 
> I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a 
> friend of Peter
> Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is 
> signed up for
> the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.
> 
> deweerdm at rogers.com
> 
> 
> Paul MacDonald
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
> [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] 
> Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: Paul MacDonald
> Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
> Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, 
> i meet
> Mike late in April/09 see below.
> 
> I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.
> 
> Thanks,Peter
> 
> 
> Peter Bulkowski
> 
> ----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 
> 10:26 AM -----
> 
> 
> deweerdm at rogers.c 
> 
> om 
> 
> 
> To 
> 06/26/2009 09:47 bulkowskip at mercedes-
> benz.ca 
> AM 
> cc 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject 
> Friends of Triumph 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Peter 
> 
> It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at 
> the 
> festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign 
> me up to 
> Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if 
> added by an 
> existing member, and I remember talking about this site with 
> you at Dino's 
> house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works 
> and if you 
> can sign me up?? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Cheers Mike 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 12:06:26 2009
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Yea! I'm back on the FoT list
Message-ID: <724140752.109681246039586515.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I've finally made it back on the list.B 


I've hiked through a desert and found the Oasis.
B 
Thanks,
B Dave H.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 26 12:57:55 2009
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:57:55 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] VARA Vs HSR West
Message-ID: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I live in the Los Angeles area.  Out here there are two vintage organizations, VARA (the one I belong to), and HSR West.
I've compared the rule-books and web-sites, rules seem similar.  Have any of you run in both groups and if so, are there big differences between the two?
I am pleased with VARA overall and like their take on safety, no contact, competition, and car prep.

What do some of you think about these groups?

~Steve


From henry at henryfrye.com  Fri Jun 26 17:38:45 2009
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:38:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
Message-ID: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>

I met Mike  at Mosport last weekend, good guy just gatting started. He will
benefit from our help. I second as well. Actually I was supposed to nominate
him earlier this week...


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca <peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca>;
deweerdm at rogers.com <deweerdm at rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph

Hi

I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.

deweerdm at rogers.com


Paul MacDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
[mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca]
Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Paul MacDonald
Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph


Paul

Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
Mike late in April/09 see below.

I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.

Thanks,Peter


Peter Bulkowski

----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----

             deweerdm at rogers.c
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                                                                   Subject
                                       Friends of Triumph











 Hi Peter
 It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the
 festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to
 Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an
 existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's
 house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you
 can sign me up??
 Thanks
 Cheers Mike
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From andre at gt6.ca  Fri Jun 26 17:56:15 2009
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
In-Reply-To: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <001801c9f6b7$36e8e49a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <4362ae390906261656i6d6fb174vfab30f919f6a88fd@mail.gmail.com>

He introduced himself at Mosport as well.

Nice guy. I look forward to running against in the future. :)

A.

2009/6/26 Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>:
> I met Mike  at Mosport last weekend, good guy just gatting started. He will
> benefit from our help. I second as well. Actually I was supposed to
nominate
> him earlier this week...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul MacDonald <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 1:45 PM
> To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca <peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca>;
> deweerdm at rogers.com <deweerdm at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friends of Triumph
>
> Hi
>
> I am looking for a second for a new member, Mike Deweer, a friend of Peter
> Bulkowski. Mike races a TR4 in Canada, and perhaps once he is signed up for
> the emails we will hear a bit more about his exploits and his car.
>
> deweerdm at rogers.com
>
>
> Paul MacDonald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca
> [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca]
> Sent: June 26, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: Paul MacDonald
> Cc: deweerdm at rogers.com
> Subject: Fw: Friends of Triumph
>
>
> Paul
>
> Could you please nominate Mike Deweerd to the Friend of Triumph, i meet
> Mike late in April/09 see below.
>
> I am restricted to send E-mail to the FOT.
>
> Thanks,Peter
>
>
> Peter Bulkowski
>
> ----- Forwarded by Peter Bulkowski/173/INT/EEC on 06/26/2009 10:26 AM -----
>
>             deweerdm at rogers.c
>             om
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>             06/26/2009 09:47          bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca
>             AM                                                         cc
>
>                                                                   Subject
>                                       Friends of Triumph
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hi Peter
>  It's Mike from woodstock with the TR4 #77, I didn't see you at the
>  festival??? Hope all is well, I was wondering if you could sign me up to
>  Freinds of Triumph website. I understand you can only join if added by an
>  existing member, and I remember talking about this site with you at Dino's
>  house for the Lube and Tube. Can you let me know how it works and if you
>  can sign me up??
>  Thanks
>  Cheers Mike
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 26 22:02:56 2009
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car
Message-ID: <000001c9f6dc$27a543b0$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Read the latest.

 

Paul

 

http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508
<http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&hl> &hl=


From budscars at comcast.net  Fri Jun 26 23:11:59 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car
References: <000001c9f6dc$27a543b0$6701a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <294B0391757F45D2BDFEBC364B1898E7@Bud>

Absolutely Beautiful!..thanks Paul..
Racer Bud
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From: "Paul MacDonald" <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: "Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR8 LeMans Car


> Read the latest.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508
> <http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&hl> &hl=
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Sat Jun 27 07:50:14 2009
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:50:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA Vs HSR West
In-Reply-To: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <22414098.1246042675617.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CE59AD2-AB1D-4C00-B755-4BBFF83B9FD2@gmail.com>

Hi steve,

I run with both groups and both organizations are great. Vara has a  
lot more triumphs. I have never seen another TR at an HSR event. Maybe  
at this next one there will be more since vara has no event in June.  
You end up running with really fast cars in Hsr. In
one race there was a race I was going against a race built center  
seated lotus exige (who lapped me
so many times I lost track), and also a 400 hp chevy powered Devin who  
I would pass every corner only to have him roar by me in the straight.  
I finally beat him, but it was tough! If you are thinking of an hsr  
event I would do Phoenix, because that track is awesome. I am thinking  
about Phoenix in November.
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:57 AM, steve <colordog.1 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I live in the Los Angeles area.  Out here there are two vintage  
> organizations, VARA (the one I belong to), and HSR West.
> I've compared the rule-books and web-sites, rules seem similar.   
> Have any of you run in both groups and if so, are there big  
> differences between the two?
> I am pleased with VARA overall and like their take on safety, no  
> contact, competition, and car prep.
>
> What do some of you think about these groups?
>
> ~Steve
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun 27 18:49:23 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (rkramer3 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 0:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4
In-Reply-To: <294B0391757F45D2BDFEBC364B1898E7@Bud>
Message-ID: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>

I just picked up a TR4 race car formerly raced by Dennis Shea in SVRA. It is a lighter blue and formerly raced with Gulf Oil stickers and paint scheme. The car went through the hands of Sheldon Peterson and Michael Warburton. All of these guys were from Western New York although Denny moved to North Carolina with the car in the 90's. He passed away tragicallty after a motorcycle accident in February reportedly caused by a drunk driver. My son is going to be racing this car and I am going to be trying to find out its history. The story is that it was a race car from new. Does anyone know of these guys or this car?

Bob Kramer
There's always room for One More Triumph


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sat Jun 27 22:02:18 2009
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4
In-Reply-To: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>
References: <20090628004923.KGFKK.374630.root@hrndva-web08-z01>
Message-ID: <8A63FBB4FE8248DA9946F9F84C035031@ComputerPC>

I often pitted with Denny in the late 80s when I had a TR4 vintage racer. 
His home track was Watkins; he lived close by.
He went fast in his TR4 - his biggest problem was that his feet were so big 
he would hit two pedals at the same time.
He was a delightful guy.  A friend was always with him who did a lot of the 
wrenching.  I can't remember his name - he drove a TVR. Denny's wife would 
know him.
One year at Watkins I burned a hole in #4 piston. Denny drove home and 
brought back a bucket of used pistons.  While a friend scraped the aluminum 
off the liner, I dug thru the bucket and chose the only piston that had all 
3 rings.  I tried to take rings off pistons but they were so brittle they 
kept breaking.  Never mind the size of the piston; it wasn't too big so I 
put it in.  Finished 6th on Sunday.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Denny Shea TR4


>I just picked up a TR4 race car formerly raced by Dennis Shea in SVRA. It 
>is a lighter blue and formerly raced with Gulf Oil stickers and paint 
>scheme. The car went through the hands of Sheldon Peterson and Michael 
>Warburton. All of these guys were from Western New York although Denny 
>moved to North Carolina with the car in the 90's. He passed away 
>tragicallty after a motorcycle accident in February reportedly caused by a 
>drunk driver. My son is going to be racing this car and I am going to be 
>trying to find out its history. The story is that it was a race car from 
>new. Does anyone know of these guys or this car?
>
> Bob Kramer
> There's always room for One More Triumph
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 28 08:52:42 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT artwork
Message-ID: <277627.73209.qm@web57610.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Group:

If anyone has the art work for the FOT coat of arms in a PDF or other form, if you would send me a copy I could really use it for the 2010 Kastner Cup shirt I'm working on.

Thanks,

Ernie


From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Jun 28 13:27:06 2009
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:27:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1246212001.20093.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>

Did not see if this went out....


Any ideas about some other improved way to open the hood on my TR6....

I bought the new crappy one from Moss Motors, of course, the 3 cents 5/16" bolt they charge 85 cents for wasn't with it...  "Hello parts dept..."

If I knew what a POS it was I would have already been working on a better idea...

Bobby Whitehead

igofaster at charter.net


From igofaster at charter.net  Sun Jun 28 13:35:52 2009
From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:35:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] hood release for TR6
Message-ID: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>

OK FoT... TR6 hood release ...   I bought the new POS from Moss Motors from Tiawan... of course they don't include the 3 cent 5/16th bolt to HOLD the cable...had to get on the phone and ORDER the bolt, (85 cents for a 3 cent bolt).
Of course, it's all cheap stuff anyway, well, the bolt stipped out and even under some pressure on the hood release cable, slipped....

so...

is there something hotrod aftermarket that will work????


should be driven right now ... except I can't close the hood....

Bobby Whitehead


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 28 13:44:14 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:44:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>
References: <mailman.3.1246212001.20093.fot@autox.team.net>
	<20090628152706.35HQ1.977830.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <20090628194417.95176187A67@autox.team.net>

You can kinda see the arrangement on Uncle Jack's TR-6 (now Randy 
Williams' TR-6) here: 
http://www.tonydrews.com/UncleJackTR6/2009_0509UncleJackTR60043.JPG

A lever is bolted to the right hand side of the release with a fairly 
large diameter solid wire (hidden in the photo) running straight 
down, through the bottom of the battery box area into the passenger 
compartment.  When you pull down on the wire, it pulls down on the 
lever which pushes the release mechanism toward the rear of the car 
releasing the hood.

Tony Drews


At 02:27 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
>Did not see if this went out....
>
>
>Any ideas about some other improved way to open the hood on my TR6....
>
>I bought the new crappy one from Moss Motors, of course, the 3 cents 
>5/16" bolt they charge 85 cents for wasn't with it...  "Hello parts dept..."
>
>If I knew what a POS it was I would have already been working on a 
>better idea...
>
>Bobby Whitehead
>
>igofaster at charter.net
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sun Jun 28 20:01:54 2009
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kramer's new TR4 is on the VIR History page.
References: <20090628175219.9WJOU.382766.root@hrndva-web12-z01>
Message-ID: <8AD5A7CC0459490EB04EECD3ADEB3AE9@hp532n>

I'm home with the new car and I've done a little research trying to find out 
the history. I found a picture of the car on the VIRHistory.com page, and it 
was raced by a Robert Johnson at VIR in July 26-27, 1969. It appears to have 
a Valvoline ARRC Particiapnt sticker on the side but his name doesn't show 
up on the lists I can find. Maybe he had just purchased it?

I have the SCCA logbook for an Ott Jenson starting in 1972. It then went 
from Sheldon Peterson,  to Micheal Warburt and John Forrester before Dennis 
Shea restored it in the early 80's. I have Dennis' SVRA logbooks.

Any help appreciated.

Bob Kramer


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 28 20:12:52 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:12:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk race last weekend (video link too)
Message-ID: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>

Last weekend I went racing at Blackhawk Farms Raceway in Beloit, 
Wisconsin with VSCDA.  Was pretty hot and humid, otherwise, the 
storms only affected the Friday Morning practice sessions.  We had 
several Triumphs there: me in my TR-4, Joe Alexander and his sons and 
grandkids - he's got his TR-4 back together, Tim and Ryan Murphy with 
their TR-4, Dennis and Joan Delap with their Surrey top TR-4, Scott 
and Jerry Barr with Scott's Spitfire, and Bob Wismer in his TR-4.

We had two races - a 12 lap race on Saturday as well as a 12 lap race 
on Sunday.  There was also a handicap race on Sunday which I ended up missing.

In Saturday's race, I started 6th and finished 3rd.  Didn't pass 
anyone in anger on the track, but was hounded from behind by Ron 
Suave in his 1275 bugeye.  I had an odd problem with the brakes 
causing me to have to pump several times going into the corners.  I 
thought it was worse after a left hand turn so figured I had a wheel 
bearing going out.  Bob Wismer had spares, so figured I'd take care 
of it Sunday morning.

Sunday morning, I backed into a car in the hotel parking lot - was 
irritated that I locked something in my room and was distracted, 
apparently.  So, that delayed my arrival at the track, ultimately 
causing me to miss the Handicap race.  I wasn't that upset - as hot 
as it was I would have baked in the car for quite a while before they 
let me on the track for the Handicap race anyway.  My brake problem 
turned out to be boiling brake fluid - a flush with new Castrol LMA 
and all was well.  In Sunday's race, I started 5th and finished 
4th.  Ron broke down, so I ended up running alone for most of the 
race.  I did have the camera going so put together a 10 minute video 
for those of you that like that kind of thing.

It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNeL8bxrPQ

Drove the car back on the trailer, successful weekend!

Cheers, Tony Drews


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 06:58:26 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 29 07:07:44 2009
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
In-Reply-To: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>
References: <001501c9f8b9$5e2f34c0$1a8d9e40$@net>
Message-ID: <BAY123-W52B0CC22234AC0D16B12FBA300@phx.gbl>

Second of my first second.



Marty

> From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:26 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
>
> Amici,
>
> Somehow, the original nomination got lost.
>
> I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
> has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
> and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
> Stag as well.
>
> His email is pat at patrickbarber.com
>
> Seconds anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
> --
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 07:08:29 2009
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:08:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <001f01c9f8ba$b30f4e20$192dea60$@net>

Please ignore the cc address in the original email, somehow I had the wrong
address in my address book. The correct address is below.

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net


From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Jun 29 07:23:02 2009
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:23:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] hood release for TR6
In-Reply-To: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>
References: <20090628153552.Z7E8W.978087.root@mp06>
Message-ID: <4A48C036.8000307@charter.net>

There are good photo's on this site

(http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/emergency_hood_release.htm)

I have had one of these on my 71 TR6 for a number or years and it has 
come in handy since I was locked out originally.

Glenn Franco
72 Spit race car and too many TR's

Bobby Whitehead wrote:
> OK FoT... TR6 hood release ...   I bought the new POS from Moss Motors from Tiawan... of course they don't include the 3 cent 5/16th bolt to HOLD the cable...had to get on the phone and ORDER the bolt, (85 cents for a 3 cent bolt).
> Of course, it's all cheap stuff anyway, well, the bolt stipped out and even under some pressure on the hood release cable, slipped....
>
> so...
>
> is there something hotrod aftermarket that will work????
>
>
> should be driven right now ... except I can't close the hood....
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> _______________________________________________
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Mon Jun 29 08:21:59 2009
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 7:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk race last weekend (video link too)
In-Reply-To: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20090629102159.CIPKF.1005137.root@mp07>

Tony,

Overall it sounds like a good weekend.  I talked with Ron on Wed and he's in need of an engine rebuild.  His problem is the bearing on the #1 con rod.  So I pointed him to a good engine guy as he's not happy with the one that rebuilt it this last time.

Have a good day.

Dave Hesse

---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote: 

=============
Last weekend I went racing at Blackhawk Farms Raceway in Beloit, 
Wisconsin with VSCDA.  Was pretty hot and humid, otherwise, the 
storms only affected the Friday Morning practice sessions.  We had 
several Triumphs there: me in my TR-4, Joe Alexander and his sons and 
grandkids - he's got his TR-4 back together, Tim and Ryan Murphy with 
their TR-4, Dennis and Joan Delap with their Surrey top TR-4, Scott 
and Jerry Barr with Scott's Spitfire, and Bob Wismer in his TR-4.

We had two races - a 12 lap race on Saturday as well as a 12 lap race 
on Sunday.  There was also a handicap race on Sunday which I ended up missing.

In Saturday's race, I started 6th and finished 3rd.  Didn't pass 
anyone in anger on the track, but was hounded from behind by Ron 
Suave in his 1275 bugeye.  I had an odd problem with the brakes 
causing me to have to pump several times going into the corners.  I 
thought it was worse after a left hand turn so figured I had a wheel 
bearing going out.  Bob Wismer had spares, so figured I'd take care 
of it Sunday morning.

Sunday morning, I backed into a car in the hotel parking lot - was 
irritated that I locked something in my room and was distracted, 
apparently.  So, that delayed my arrival at the track, ultimately 
causing me to miss the Handicap race.  I wasn't that upset - as hot 
as it was I would have baked in the car for quite a while before they 
let me on the track for the Handicap race anyway.  My brake problem 
turned out to be boiling brake fluid - a flush with new Castrol LMA 
and all was well.  In Sunday's race, I started 5th and finished 
4th.  Ron broke down, so I ended up running alone for most of the 
race.  I did have the camera going so put together a 10 minute video 
for those of you that like that kind of thing.

It's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzNeL8bxrPQ

Drove the car back on the trailer, successful weekend!

Cheers, Tony Drews
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 08:22:09 2009
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:22:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
Message-ID: <803957.81987.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Second, Third, Forth, whatever it takes .... 
  Anyone who has done this much with a spit is crazy enough to be one of us
...
 
Welcome Pat to our group ...  please introduce yourself .. looking forward to
meeting you.


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Fot] Nomination of Pat Barber
To: "Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:08 AM


Please ignore the cc address in the original email, somehow I had the wrong
address in my address book. The correct address is below.

Amici,

Somehow, the original nomination got lost.

I would like to nominate Pat Barber of Detroit Triumph to this group. Pat
has 5 Triumphs, he autocrosses a Spitfire and has shipped both his Spitfire
and his GT6 to England to run the Round Britain Reliability Run. He has a
Stag as well.

His email is pat at patrickbarber.com

Seconds anyone?

Thanks,

Doug

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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 10:01:00 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] CRC Test And Tune Invitation
In-Reply-To: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
References: <20090629021250.064AD187ACB@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <D51914D4-A8B5-4FC0-B740-23BCA521075D@bnj.com>

I had a nice email from Mark Pendergrass who is the track steward for  
the Northwest Shelby Club inviting any FOT members who are coming to  
the Columbia River Classic to stay an extra day for a test and tune day:


"SAAC NW ( shelby club) is going to hold a drivers training day on  
sept. 8 (the day after the CRC). For insurance reasons we call it a  
training day. We have 4 run groups, novice thru advanced. It appears  
that a few FoTrs will be out here to enjoy PIR for the ABFM/CRC and  
we'd like to invite the FoT family to stay an extra day and get more  
seat time and or a test and tune day. The cost is 160.00 pre- 
registered up to 2wks prior or 175.00 after that. We have scca turn  
workers and all the other required items you would find on track.

Thanks Mark Pendergrass #65 tr4"

That's a very reasonable price for track time that you can use any way  
you choose.  Of course the CRC is already a lot of track time, but it  
will be primarily actual racing. If you need some development time for  
you car this will be particularly valuable because PIR is an extremely  
good testing track. The way the hot pits work is ideal for trying  
suspension tweaks and testing tire temperatures. Please contact Mark  
directly if you are interested in this-I've included his email address.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 11:30:16 2009
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT coat of arms thanks
Message-ID: <433350.46061.qm@web57608.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the FOT Coat of Arms
artwork.  I have received several copies, of both the old and new.
 
Thanks again.
 
Ernie


From GRMTim at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 15:07:35 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:07:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ accepted at Monterey
Message-ID: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>

Well,

I did enter the Group 44 GT6+ into the Monterey Historics and it was 
accepted. Now begins the arduous task of figuring out logistics of getting it 
there, crewing, spares and then deciding if Portland is also realistic.

Several of you contacted me about this when I was trying to decide whether 
or not to enter the car and acutally swayed me with promises of help on the 
west coast. How many of you are still out there, as I am looking for ideas 
and some help? I also had one FOT member say he had some more Lbra wheels, 
which I willl need if I am to run this thing.

Thanks.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 15:58:01 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:58:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6+ accepted at Monterey
In-Reply-To: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>
References: <ce2.4a59c7b8.377a8717@aol.com>
Message-ID: <487E677F-97F9-4B8F-AEE4-B46B3020CB4D@bnj.com>

Oops, too long, resending:

Congratulations. I don't know if you done the Monterey Historics
before. Not a huge amount of track time, but it's great fun. Several
things to make sure you attend:

The driver's party--I've heard of people actually giving this a pass.
Crazy!! Not like any driver's party you've ever attended before.
Spectacular food. And don't skip the award ceremony on Sunday either.
Great fun.

The
Quail--http://www.quaillodge.com/events/index.cfm?eventId=EV_2009020411145569
2491
   Kind of Toity but spectacular.  It's sold out already but if you
have any buddies at Bonhams they might front you a pass.

Nightime auctions in town--Bring a cigar and a flask.

Here's a basic schedule

Saturday, 8 Aug 2009
Monterey Pre-Historic Races

Sunday, 9 Aug 2009
Monterey Pre-Historic Races

Monday, 10 Aug 2009
No Listing

Tuesday, 11 Aug 2009
Automobilla Monterey
Carmel-by-the-Sea Concours on the Avenue. This year, one day only!
(Porsche, Ferrari and all Marques)

Wednesday, 12 Aug 2009
Automobilia Monterey
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
McCall Motorworks Revial 2009

Thursday, 13 Aug 2009
Pebble Beach Tour dIligance
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale

Friday, 14 Aug 2009
Monterey Historic Races -- featuring Porsche
Pacific Grove Concours Auto Rally
Pelican Wine Tour and Canyon Run (Porsche cars)
The Quail, A Motorsports Gathering - SOLD OUT!
Bonhams & Butterfields Auction
Concorso Italiano
la Dolce Vita Concours dIligance (a new event)
RM Auction
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto

Saturday, 15 Aug 2009
Monterey Historic Races-featuring Porsche
Gooding & Company Auction
RM Auction
Russo & Steele Auction
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto


Sunday, 16 Aug 2009
Pebble Beach Concours dIligance
Gooding & Company Auction
Monterey Historic Races -- featuring Porsche
Blackhawk Exposition Sale
Pebble Beach RetroAuto


Peyote was accepted too, but I just had to withdraw. My brother is
putting on a charity event in Boston the same weekend (30 miles of
paddling stand up paddle boards across Cape Cod Bay), and has just
gone through brain surgery. I feel I have to support him this year, so
I had to pull out.

I'm not happy. I love the historics. Some racers dislike the limited
track time, but there's so much to do for car guys that you find
yourself spinning in indecision.

Incidentally, if you don't have a place to stay already book, prepare
yourself for pain. You can stay in the paddock but hotels, the
campgrounds at Laguna and every cheap motel six up and down the coast
has doubled or tripled their rate and are probably already booked
solid. If you need a place shoot me an email, I might be able to help
but it will take some research.

I can certainly still offer other help though, especially if you need
a place to store the car before the CRC, or anything else like that.
What do you need?


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 29 19:04:08 2009
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
Message-ID: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI
For those who have done it.
What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
I'd like to do that event before it's all over.

Thanks for any insight
Dennis 


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 19:17:43 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:17:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
References: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3201EA990F7E45C2BEEDAC8CFDFBB255@Bud>

Hi Dennis...I have not raced in it...I often go as pit crew for 
friends....The whole Scenario is Magnificent..It's a mind blower.......My 
favorite part is the 'Welcome Banquet'.....It's hard to describe....How 
about...a P-51 surprise Fly Over while we're socialing and wine 
tasting?(maybe 6 years ago).
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis DeLap" <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net>
To: <GRMTim at aol.com>; "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?


> AMICI
> For those who have done it.
> What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
> I'd like to do that event before it's all over.
>
> Thanks for any insight
> Dennis
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Jun 29 20:03:18 2009
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - how much history?
In-Reply-To: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <809531.28576.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A9EB9D7C-0EDE-4224-B08D-6E402D45F4CC@bnj.com>

I assume you're talking about YOUR personal trip on the Merry Go  
Round. I expect the Historics will go for a long while.

What it takes first of all is asking to be invited. Write a letter to  
General Racing and tell them about your car. It's really the car that  
gets invited, not the driver, though you have to let them know (and  
they have to approve) of any driver change. There are people who try  
to buy their way into Monterey by paying for a seat in a car that has  
been accepted.  Doesn't work, generally.

People go to Monterey and walk through the paddock to see race cars,  
cool cars and exotics. Your car has either be really nice, or really  
real. Patina is welcome. Contrary to popular belief they will take  
many different cars, and certainly production cars with a race  
history. The more history you can detail the better.

But they tend to take more true race cars than anything else. In  
theory it's a little easier to get in when your marque is featured, in  
practice while they took 150 porsches this year who knows how many  
Porsche entries they got. My friend Cameron got his 906 and 906  
accepted but not his Pooper. I don't expect to see Triumph as the  
featured Marque any time soon, though they sure surprised me with the  
"specials" choice a few years ago.

It helps to have a car that has a long history at the Historics.  
Peyote has been there many times and is well known. It also helps to  
participate in HMSA events and less saturated General Racing events.  
Wine Country, Limerock, etc. Then they know you and your car.

Other than that it's just a crapshoot. I've heard absurd numbers for  
how many entries they get.

On Jun 29, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote:

>
> AMICI
> For those who have done it.
> What does it take to get into the Monterey Historics?
> I'd like to do that event before it's all over.
>
> Thanks for any insight
> Dennis


From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Mon Jun 29 21:48:44 2009
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
In-Reply-To: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
Message-ID: <4A498B1C.1040500@cyberspeedway.net>

    HSR West will find a place for you. Also, our local Arizona SCCA 
Vintage run group uses one of our SCCA stewards but most of the rest of 
their requirements are decided among themselves. They generaally accept 
other sanctioning bodies licenses. SCCA Vintage requires current driver 
safety gear. The cars can have roll hoops or cages. Right now we only 
run a Closed wheel group mostly LBCs and one or two Datsuns.
Greg Lund

jim hearn wrote:
> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local vintage
> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license but
> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one or
> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage races
> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that currently.
> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough to
> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort of
> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> Jim
> 
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 22:45:28 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:45:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California
References: <001001c9f48e$9976e890$b1191718@computer>
	<4A498B1C.1040500@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <4A025214CF2547B0AEE1698436A9990B@Bud>

Hi Jim...HSR west Race at Infineon..1st time ever...last weekend in 
august...
Racer bud
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To: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1 at comcast.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Race license dilemma in Northern California


>    HSR West will find a place for you. Also, our local Arizona SCCA 
> Vintage run group uses one of our SCCA stewards but most of the rest of 
> their requirements are decided among themselves. They generaally accept 
> other sanctioning bodies licenses. SCCA Vintage requires current driver 
> safety gear. The cars can have roll hoops or cages. Right now we only run 
> a Closed wheel group mostly LBCs and one or two Datsuns.
> Greg Lund
>
> jim hearn wrote:
>> I live in Northern California (Sacramento) and have a 1974 TR6 that was
>> originally SCCA club raced in Hawaii.  If most or all of the local 
>> vintage
>> races included TR6s, I would be happy to get a full blown racing license 
>> but
>> apparently they don't so I would be going to the time and expense for one 
>> or
>> two races a season.  I have heard of people that have raced in vintage 
>> races
>> with a medical and a fee but don't know of anything such as that 
>> currently.
>> I guess in areas such as Portland, OR I would be able to compete enough 
>> to
>> warrant a license.  Any thoughts about licenses, TR6s, and/or that sort 
>> of
>> vintage racing in Northern California?  Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>> Jim
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had 
>> a name of winmail.dat]
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun 30 08:26:16 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Warning: No LBC content
Message-ID: <20090630142619.775A0187CB4@autox.team.net>

I normally don't pass these things around, but thought you guys might 
get a kick out of this.  It's a 6-1/2 minute show on VW's 
"transparent factory" in Dresden.  Very cool.
http://www.flixxy.com/high-tech-car-factory.htm

- Tony Drews


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Jun 30 19:13:34 2009
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:13:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ANOTHER REASON THAT NASCAR TRIUMPHS
Message-ID: <3EF71500511349B99907B0058BD2A220@Bud>

Hi Friends....I just got off the phone talkin' to my Mom....She's 88 years
old....We lost  Dad about 9 months ago at 91.. My Dad, Charlie was a true 'Car
Guy'....So.. Mom Knows about the love for this stuff......
I suggested to Mom that she tune in to the NASCAR race last weekend....The
first message she left me was that she was havn' an Incredible time watchin'
the 'Pre Race Stuff'.....The next morning she called to tell me about the rain
situation..and about Joey Lugano(sp) winning....Yesterday she informed me of
the Jeremy Mayfield steroid updates....Now she's excited as heck, waiting for
the Cocal Cola 400 at Daytona on saturday.......She calls me with 'ALL THE HOT
NASCAR NEWS'......
She's now a member of my internet... Racing Newsletter Gang(she doesn't have a
computer yet, but she's still a 'Gang Member' ),,Her Gang name(by her own
request) is NATALIE VROOOM-VROOOM DELAUER.......
This is terrific stuff....NASCAR makes auto racing available to the
Mainstream....
Thank You NASCAR!
Racer Bud...Spitfire #21


From adams910 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 16:15:53 2009
From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:15:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [VRG NewsGroup] VRG New Jersey Historics Sept 18-20
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W1211889747F7F758E81731D4310@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY140-W1211889747F7F758E81731D4310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <673993c50906301515n13327c63rd76259dbc313e275@mail.gmail.com>

Put this on your calenders.
SVRA will also be on Thunderbolt (hopefully sans chicane) the first weekend
of October.

Bob

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark Palmer <mgvrmark at hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Subject: [VRG NewsGroup] VRG New Jersey Historics Sept 18-20
To: VRG Newsgroup <vrg_newsgroup at yahoogroups.com>




 Folks,

Since Billy Mays has sadly passed away, it looks like I will have to pitch
our New Jersey event myself.  No problem, I learned everything I know from
Ralph Steinberg (rumor has it, so did Billy!)

The *ENTRY FORM IS OUT *-- see the latest VRG Newsletter, which went to all
VRG members a couple days ago.  The entry form is also posted on the VRG web
site, click here for a direct link to the form:

http://www.vrgonline.org/EVENTS/NJMP/NJMP09_Entry_V1.pdf

or if that doesn't work, go to www.vrgonline.org click on "events" then
"Thunderbolt Historics" then "entry form".  (P.S. we changed the name this
year to "New Jersey Historics" to more accurately reflect the track).

*We really need your support *for this event.  NJMP is an expensive track to
rent, and last year we had the pleasure of hosting the MG Vintage Racers,
who brought about 50 entries.  We need to attract more entries this year to
take the place of all those MG's.

So why should you enter?  It's close to home for many of us; an interesting
new track; we're the only vintage club with an event on the Lightning
Circuit, which is faster and more flowing than Thunderbolt; lots of track
time; reasonable entry fee; a great Saturday night barbecue at the Air
Museum again this year; and I'm working on a few other surprises (stay
tuned).

Also, if you haven't made your hotel reservations already I strongly suggest
that you take advantage of the special VRG room rates at the following
hotels.  These are the two nicest hotels in the area, and the rates are
excellent (most places are charging $150/night for that weekend!)

*Wingate by Wyndham*, Vineland, 856-690-9900, $105/night, ask for the
"Vintage Racer Group" rate.

*Country Inn by Carlson*, Millville, 856-825-3100, $90/night includes
breakfast, ask for the "Vintage Racer Group" rate.

I know there are many great events to choose from in the fall, and I hope
you'll consider supporting VRG by entering our New Jersey event (and our
Watkins Glen event in October) -- these are both major undertakings for VRG
and we truly appreciate your support!

Mark Palmer

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