From rblake36 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 11:29:01 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Message-ID: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 1 11:34:49 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Usually the result of not enough current going through the flasher. Would check 2 things: 1) turn on the turn signal. Unplug the flasher. Does the signal go out (making sure you are working with the correct flasher unit. The TR6 has at least 2 in the circuit iirc) 2) check it with a light bulb at the 'output' of the flasher. If that blinks and the turn signal does not, the signals are not drawing enough current. Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 are particularly bad about getting corroded. Bob 76 TR6 CF57392 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before > I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jan 1 11:37:05 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:37:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure if I remember why, but check your oil pressure switch. I remember something odd about the wiring in this area on 75&76 TR6's. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 12:05:12 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:05:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: check your ground wires... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 1 12:54:07 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yeah, the 75/75 is a bit of an oddball in some electrical ways. the 4way flasher circuit is just deranged iirc. The switch is a complete nightmare. On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:05 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > check your ground wires... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in >> either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on >> and >> stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it >> functions >> properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before >> I >> trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in >> the >> wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented >> the >> wheel. >> >> Thanks >> >> Bob Blake >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jan 1 13:50:05 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:50:05 EST Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Message-ID: And if you've even LOOKED at the hazard switch recently look at it again very suspiciously. You don't want to ever touch that, Ermmm...device, unless the situation is dire. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 14:37:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: Message-ID: the HAZARD switch is only installed to remind us of what we are driving!(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: bownes at seiri.com ; budscars at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals And if you've even LOOKED at the hazard switch recently look at it again very suspiciously. You don't want to ever touch that, Ermmm...device, unless the situation is dire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Jan 1 17:14:48 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:14:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874221.12375.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve is correct...on the later models the turn signals go through the hazard switch like on an MGB. If the hazard has bad contacts, either in the external wires or within it's body, the turn signals won't work. The turn signal flashing passes through the hazard. Options are: spray some contact cleaner into the hazard and work the switch some until the contacts clear, or, disconnect the hazard completely and jump the wires. In this option use a schematic to determine what are the left and right primary colors that will go to the green/white and green/red. I do not remember off the top of my head. The hazard switch simply hooks all the lefts and right together so they all flash. I doubt your state requires the hazards to function. Have a great new year! --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Robert Blake wrote: From: Robert Blake Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals To: "FOT" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:29 PM I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:01:05 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: malaboge at aol.com To: rblake36 at yahoo.com Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Bob- I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a disaster. New Year...same old Lucas... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: FOT Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29 am Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:08:48 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:08:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> Message-ID: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're done. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jan 1 18:34:25 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:34:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things occurring with 4 way flashers. I had a GM product a few years back that with the right combination of switches on and others just making initial contact and with the brake lights lit would result in the interior and dash lights flashing in harmony with the 4 way flashers. It may have been the 1986 Pontiac Sunbird from hell whose odometer would sometimes roll miles off and another day decide to put them back on. I have no idea how many miles were on that car but I do know that it was the worst car I ever owned. Depreciation on that puppy was exponential becoming worthless very quickly. What a mistake. Happy New Year everyone. JVV > Bob- > > I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... > Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration > only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" > touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, > moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a > corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? > I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in > the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to > rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? > > > Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn > circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San > Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a > disaster. > > New Year...same old Lucas... > ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Jan 1 18:38:15 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:38:15 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Message-ID: Dear Lister's, I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's fitted to TR3/4 engines. Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run excessively RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue will more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it is as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is found with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes that are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle plate moves forward. My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that it/they are positioned directly above the throttle plate? I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and or positions. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 1 19:03:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:03:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <205D7929-8E65-466C-A117-6C95720C5C67@bnj.com> Soda works well for fragile stuff, or plastic. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:08 PM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Bob- > > SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their > surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? > If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that > surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back > on the road, go ahead and blast away. > Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little > smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the > factory when you're done. > > Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... > ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: nogera2 at att.net > To: Shop Talk > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > > I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before > rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type > of > metal? > > Thanks > > Bob > You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com > > Shop-talk mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From susank at 141.com Thu Jan 1 19:10:11 2009 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495D7783.3090602@141.com> Hey Nick, et al, We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? Susan :) malaboge at aol.com wrote: Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the car bs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying t o get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and t ime consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're don e. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:4 4 AM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 19:13:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:13:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals. References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that one Jerry!...The Human comedy is terrific!...so..... in that respect .....getting back to the TR6 turn signal situation....When I was commuting 100 miles round trip in Tr6s, I solved that problem easily by replacing the TR6 doors with Tr3 Doors so that I could use Arm Signals...I only had trouble if..When exiting the car...I forgot to unplug the J.C. Whitney 'Towing Light Package' from my left arm...before my foot hit the ground. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Wooohoo.and Happy New Year Gang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals > Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things occurring with 4 > way flashers. I had a GM product a few years back that with the right > combination of switches on and others just making initial contact and with > the brake lights lit would result in the interior and dash lights flashing > in harmony with the 4 way flashers. > It may have been the 1986 Pontiac Sunbird from hell whose odometer would > sometimes roll miles off and another day decide to put them back on. I > have no idea how many miles were on that car but I do know that it was the > worst car I ever owned. Depreciation on that puppy was exponential > becoming worthless very quickly. What a mistake. > > Happy New Year everyone. > > JVV > >> Bob- >> >> I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... >> Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration >> only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" >> touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, >> moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a >> corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? >> I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 >> in the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks >> to rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? >> >> >> Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn >> circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San >> Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a >> disaster. >> >> New Year...same old Lucas... >> ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in >> either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on >> and >> stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it >> functions >> properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. >> Before I >> trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues >> in the >> wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already >> invented the >> wheel. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 1 19:48:25 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Anyone remember the VTR Nationals at Asheville? I remember some of it. I spent an awful lot of time under and around the dash of my TR6 in the hotel parking lot trying to get mine working. I was able to purchase a good used one there. I installed it and it still works today. I probably shouldn't have said that. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge at aol.com > To: rblake36 at yahoo.com > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 4:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > Bob- > > I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... > Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration > only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" > touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, > moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a > corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? > I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in > the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to > rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? > > > Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn > circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San > Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a > disaster. > > New Year...same old Lucas... > ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Blake > To: FOT > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29 am > Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 1 19:57:45 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:57:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090102025744.GSBK17716.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things > occurring with 4 way flashers. I had a GM product a few years > back that with the right combination of switches on and Before I was old enough to drive, I figured out that the right combination of switches in Dad's Dodge would allow the radio to play without the key. But you had to turn off the heater and wipers, otherwise everything would flash in unison. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 1 20:16:27 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:16:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090102031627.COGL13015.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 > are particularly bad about getting corroded. Plus the ground inside the holder may be open, even without being corroded. On mine, there was a gap of perhaps 1/16" between the two conductors inside the holder. Here's a tech article showing the problem and solution. http://tinyurl.com/58el55 Randall From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 20:33:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <20090102031627.COGL13015.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <0AA0693F22644B04A1533F81D4A09C04@Bud> I agree completely..it's usually the simple stuff Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >> Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 >> are particularly bad about getting corroded. > > Plus the ground inside the holder may be open, even without being > corroded. > On mine, there was a gap of perhaps 1/16" between the two conductors > inside > the holder. > > Here's a tech article showing the problem and solution. > http://tinyurl.com/58el55 > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 1 22:25:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The main problem is that you can't set Weber's for a wide range. You can use a small chokes to rise torque and easy overcome the idle stage or you can run large chokes to have max power. For a road engine a 32mm choke I would suggest as max. For racing a 36-40mm choke. The 36 for rally and the 40 for ovals. I have a type 9 Weber and it does stumble at progression. I run a 55F8 idle jet. Use small injectors....like a 35 or 40 with a discharge jet of 50-70. Hope this helps. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Januar 2009 02:38 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Dear Lister's, I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's fitted to TR3/4 engines. Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run excessively RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue will more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it is as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is found with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes that are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle plate moves forward. My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that it/they are positioned directly above the throttle plate? I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and or positions. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Jan 2 05:42:31 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:42:31 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 References: Message-ID: Peter I have had and dealt with this issue on BST82B, which has 1990's vintage Spanish origin Weber DCOE 45 152's with the three progression holes. Exactly this 'pickup' problem, which is a big issue on a rally car with lots of short, sharp moves where the full rev range is used, much more so than a race car (except from initial launch!). WEBCON in the UK can set each carb in a jig and drill the missing 2 holes accurately for about #50 a carb (phew!) but it does the job nicely. I dare say you can do this at home with a decent pillar drill and a plate mounted jig. The DCOE 45 152G carbs now sold have 5 progression holes (WEBCON tell me that these were developed for the Zetec engine), so if anyone is buying carbs those are the ones to look for if its a TR application. the plain old 152's only have 3 holes. The DCOE 45 09's on 3VC (Ex Works TR4) dont seem to have this problem but I havent checked yet to see how many progression holes. The other ex works carbs I have show 4 holes, the 3rd past the critcal point you note, but the car these came from was rallied hard in the USA so maybe they were added after manufacture. There are a couple of people here in the UK that I can point you at for some serious technical advice if that will help. Happy new year. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue > will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it > is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is > found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes > that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle > plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and > or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jan 2 05:48:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:48:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, I'm not sure but I think my Webers have only 2 progression holes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von TR4Tony Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Januar 2009 13:43 An: Peter Vucinic Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Peter I have had and dealt with this issue on BST82B, which has 1990's vintage Spanish origin Weber DCOE 45 152's with the three progression holes. Exactly this 'pickup' problem, which is a big issue on a rally car with lots of short, sharp moves where the full rev range is used, much more so than a race car (except from initial launch!). WEBCON in the UK can set each carb in a jig and drill the missing 2 holes accurately for about #50 a carb (phew!) but it does the job nicely. I dare say you can do this at home with a decent pillar drill and a plate mounted jig. The DCOE 45 152G carbs now sold have 5 progression holes (WEBCON tell me that these were developed for the Zetec engine), so if anyone is buying carbs those are the ones to look for if its a TR application. the plain old 152's only have 3 holes. The DCOE 45 09's on 3VC (Ex Works TR4) dont seem to have this problem but I havent checked yet to see how many progression holes. The other ex works carbs I have show 4 holes, the 3rd past the critcal point you note, but the car these came from was rallied hard in the USA so maybe they were added after manufacture. There are a couple of people here in the UK that I can point you at for some serious technical advice if that will help. Happy new year. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue > will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it > is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is > found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes > that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle > plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and > or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Jan 2 07:47:20 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:47:20 -0000 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A68104B259C4118A0ED309253C9B2AD@Bevan> Bob, I've had this problem with many Triumphs down the years. In my experience, its nothing more than a defective flasher unit. Throw a new one at the car. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 2 11:27:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:27:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the additional holes can probably be drilled and will likely solve the stumbling problem. I haven't done anything like that yet, my weber- equipped TR experience consists mostly of "will it run at some kind of idle" and "does it pull cleanly with full throttle", but the modifications you're considering were done commonly with the over- large carbs fitted on motorcycles. You can probably reduce the problem across the range by fitting a substantially smaller choke. The big benefit of drilling progression holes is that once the butterfly or slide is open they don't do anything, so they don't screw up the rest of the range. If I were going to do such a thing I'd go about it the same way we did on motorcycles--make a drilling jig. This is simply a piece of steel with a properly sized hole in it, a stop on the other end to locate the drill hole, and a jobber length drill of the appropriate size. Long skinny drills require a very light pressure and a steady hand. Don't make the jig thick expecting that it will help guide the drill-- thick walls will make it very hard to keep from binding the drill. As I dimly recall, the semi-official jig for adding another progression hole to the carbs on the Yamaha 500 twins (I think they were called XS500) was a piece of cad-plated sheet metal--probably 16 gauge. You can also make the existing holes larger or make them more trench- like. For that we used a foredom flex shaft tool with a dental handpiece. You might be able to fake it with a dremel and flex shaft. All these kinds of mods are cut and try. You can screw up some expensive carbs and render them unusable for street use, but then they are race car parts where progression isn't anything to worry about. Really, the problem is best solved with injector bodies and a laptop with fuel mapping software. There used to be lots of guys who could make carbs do everything but speak, I suspect there are a lot fewer now. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER > DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this > issue will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. > But it is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem > is found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle > plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression > holes that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression > hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT > directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of > the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. > The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the > throttle plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes > and or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:06:19 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:06:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Shocks Message-ID: Amici I purchased new replacement shocks for our explorer and suburban about three years ago, after routine passenger use and unfortunately little towing, they need replacement. Considering the previous ones lasted much longer, I am thinking that I probably did not buy the right ones. Interested in recommendations. Thank you in advance. Cary **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) From malaboge at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:22:29 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <495D7783.3090602@141.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <495D7783.3090602@141.com> Message-ID: <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> Susan- I have used a tumbler on carb parts.? The medium in my tumbler is left over from competitive shooting days and was meant to polish brass, which it did to a fine degree.? The stuff in my tumbler ( I have forgotten the name of it) is green and organic of some sort (also used?a sandy dirty red compound previuosly) and I added a dollop of Mothers Polish to the media.? This combo made the brass look like new.? However, it will only "somewhat" clean aluminum, but not well.? It also leaves it a bit darker in hue after tumbling. I have never tried the walnut shells so have no direct results to share.? If you decide to use the walnut shells, please let us all know as my tumbler sits here unused. If you are going to tumble the SU pistons or domes, I would tape the inside of the domes and the grooved area of the pistons, just to be safe. Always ready for a tumble...... ???????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kahler To: malaboge at aol.com Cc: nogera2 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media Hey Nick, et al, We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? Susan????? :) malaboge at aol.com wrote: Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're done. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:44 AM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 2 13:13:26 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM><8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><495D7783.3090602@141.com> <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43A41A6F9AF04D64803512BA6CF6DB0B@KasPC> The bells and float bowls will shine up like chrome with just a simple unstitched buffing wheel and some red rouge compound. All to had from Sear's. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media > Susan- > > I have used a tumbler on carb parts.? The medium in my tumbler is left > over from competitive shooting days and was meant to polish brass, which > it did to a fine degree.? The stuff in my tumbler ( I have forgotten the > name of it) is green and organic of some sort (also used?a sandy dirty red > compound previuosly) and I added a dollop of Mothers Polish to the media.? > This combo made the brass look like new.? However, it will only "somewhat" > clean aluminum, but not well.? It also leaves it a bit darker in hue after > tumbling. I have never tried the walnut shells so have no direct results > to share.? If you decide to use the walnut shells, please let us all know > as my tumbler sits here unused. > > If you are going to tumble the SU pistons or domes, I would tape the > inside of the domes and the grooved area of the pistons, just to be safe. > > Always ready for a tumble...... > ???????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Kahler > To: malaboge at aol.com > Cc: nogera2 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > Hey Nick, et al, > > We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in > our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been > similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the > original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? > > Susan????? :) > > > malaboge at aol.com wrote: > > Bob- > > SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any > type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are > rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? > If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and > blast away. > Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly > and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when > you're done. > > Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... > ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: nogera2 at att.net > To: Shop Talk > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > > I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before > rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of > metal? > > Thanks > > Bob > You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com > > Shop-talk mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk > > http://www.team.net/archive > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: > 12/31/2008 8:44 AM > > > > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat Jan 3 08:57:05 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Free stuff Message-ID: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find new homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a Spitfire 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing the main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The pinion bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This is an 83mm, without cam bearings. If anyone wants any of these items please contact me off list. If not, in a couple of weeks they will be swimming with the fishes. Thanks - Ed - From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 10:06:21 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:06:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff In-Reply-To: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find new> homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a Spitfire> 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing the> main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The pinion> bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This is> an 83mm, without cam bearings.> If anyone wants any of these items please contact me off list. If not, in a> couple of weeks they will be swimming with the fishes. > Thanks - Ed - Wher do you live? John From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 3 13:44:01 2009 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (Bill Collins) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:44:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> Ed's shop is officially in Haltom City, TX. Just west of DFW airport on Hwy #121 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Herrera" To: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:06 Subject: Re: [Fot] Free stuff >> Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find >> new> > homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a > Spitfire> > 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing > the> > main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The > pinion> > bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This > is> > an 83mm, without cam bearings.> If anyone wants any of these items please > contact me off list. If not, in a> couple of weeks they will be swimming > with > the fishes. > Thanks - Ed - > > > Wher do you live? > > John From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 13:59:14 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff In-Reply-To: <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> Message-ID: > Ed's shop is officially in Haltom City, TX. Just west of DFW airport on Hwy > #121 Well then... Sorry, I'm not interested. John H. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Jan 4 16:48:22 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question Message-ID: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I stripped the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around the wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I heat them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to me... Mark From Billb at bnj.com Sun Jan 4 17:12:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:12:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: It will anneal them, which is not exactly the reknitting process you hope for, but it might relieve enough of the work hardening to keep them from breaking right away. You need to make sure to let the metal cool very slowly. On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend > around the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If > I heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit > eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry > good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 17:18:50 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:18:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals Message-ID: <406003.25909.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> To all those who responded to my plea for assistance, many thanks for the suggestions (and the comic relief); it turned out to be bad grounds. Bob Blake From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 4 17:35:01 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:35:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 aluminum Interior panels Message-ID: <98E28EE3-710D-4917-8C74-88ECACE937A9@earthlink.net> There's a guy with an auto interior shop in OH, found him on Ebay who's made me an aluminum rear seat "Back" for my TR3. He went ahead and made door panels and other pieces too to try and sell. I'll post the link when it goes live in case anyone out there wants to take a look. ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:45:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals References: <406003.25909.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glad to hear you've got it licked..... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals > To all those who responded to my plea for assistance, many thanks for the > suggestions (and the comic relief); it turned out to be bad grounds. > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:59:37 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:59:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Air Cleaner - TR6 Message-ID: <000001c96ed0$e23ad850$a6b088f0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have a stock air cleaner with filter from my formerly, dual Stromberg carb 1969 TR6 if anyone is interested. It is in excellent condition. Item is free, just reimburse for shipping from N.CA. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From chasgee at aol.com Sun Jan 4 18:59:20 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:59:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <8CB3CF05C043A80-182C-1690@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Actually, the cooling rate is not that important because the tabs are made from very mild (low carbon) steel.? Heat them up until they glow orange a little and just let them air cool.? Should be OK if they aren't already cracked. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mark Eginton Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question It will anneal them, which is not exactly the reknitting process you hope for, but it might relieve enough of the work hardening to keep them from breaking right away. You need to make sure to let the metal cool very slowly. On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend > around the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If > I heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit > eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry > good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Sun Jan 4 19:03:04 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:03:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith Stomberg 175CDs for the TR4A Message-ID: <8CB3CF0E1281CC0-182C-16BE@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Hello all, Does anyone have a set of strombergs off of a TR4/4A that they don't want anymore?? I would like the ones without the smog stuff on them, i.e., not the ones used for the TR250 or TR6. Let me know how much you want for them. Thanks, Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer Soon to be GT6 Racer From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jan 4 22:49:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Metal Question > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around > the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I > heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Jan 4 23:38:55 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:38:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> Message-ID: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Sacrilege!!! Rocky Entriken wrote: > Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. > > --Rocky From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 00:42:47 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:42:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <49366D2AC9CB47AF93234CE35ED253FC@rocky> Yep! :-) My Spitfire (race-prepped) is 45 years old now. I'm mindful there are things on it never intended to survive a half-century. Whatever's on it that could be age-stressed by now has been. Best example, the loops at the front and rear of the frame that originally were basically meant to be used ONCE to tie the car down to a ship's deck for transport to the colonies (I wonder if Spits in the motherland had them?). I've used them over and over again to tie mine to the trailer, and I've broken them too and had them all seam-welded for added strength. Almost none of my wiring uses those original clips. As often as not because I found a better way. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Mark Eginton" ; Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Sacrilege!!! > > > > Rocky Entriken wrote: > >> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >> >> --Rocky From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 01:03:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:03:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <49366D2AC9CB47AF93234CE35ED253FC@rocky> Message-ID: <9FFB1DEE12CE480C8581E75AEBFC2BF5@Bud> Wow..thanks Rocky......I don't often think about the fact that my Spitfire race car is about 42 now...this is really terrific stuff..About the passion we have for our cars..It's really much more than just racing... Good Night Gang Racer Bud..Spitfire #21...CSRG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Justin Wagner" Cc: ; "Mark Eginton" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Yep! :-) > > My Spitfire (race-prepped) is 45 years old now. I'm mindful there are > things on it never intended to survive a half-century. Whatever's on it > that could be age-stressed by now has been. Best example, the loops at the > front and rear of the frame that originally were basically meant to be > used ONCE to tie the car down to a ship's deck for transport to the > colonies (I wonder if Spits in the motherland had them?). I've used them > over and over again to tie mine to the trailer, and I've broken them too > and had them all seam-welded for added strength. > > Almost none of my wiring uses those original clips. As often as not > because I found a better way. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Wagner" > To: "Rocky Entriken" > Cc: "Mark Eginton" ; > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> Sacrilege!!! >> >> >> >> Rocky Entriken wrote: >> >>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>> >>> --Rocky > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 07:13:37 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: Maybe this might be offtopic though I want to tell about yield strength of steel. When parts are bended several times back and forth more and more of the steel has plasticized and starts to crack. >From this point on the next step is cracking caused by shearing of the steel grains. Annealing don't help if the steel shows cracking's. Annealing does help to relive the imprinted tension of a bending but this bending might be once or maximum twice over the plasticize border. You have to bring the temperature beyond 4300C for a certain while and cool it not too fast. I hope you did understand this because my English is very limited offside from car themes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Montag, 5. Januar 2009 00:48 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Metal Question As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I stripped the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around the wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I heat them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to me... Mark Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jan 5 08:02:45 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:02:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > Sacrilege!!! I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies made so you could weld in new... But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above original. And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. rml p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some of the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 5 08:37:57 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:37:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> For areas where the wires / tubes / whatever go in and out frequently, Velcro can be handy. I still largely have the original metal thingies though. - Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 1/5/2009, Robert Lang wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > >>Sacrilege!!! > >I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies >made so you could weld in new... > >But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above >original. And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. > >rml > >p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some >of the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 5 11:04:35 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:04:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FA53E0@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I still largely have the original metal thingies though.>> As do I. I just try to bend mine in a different part of the strap-thingie whenever I use them. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question For areas where the wires / tubes / whatever go in and out frequently, Velcro can be handy. I still largely have the original metal thingies though. - Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 1/5/2009, Robert Lang wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > >>Sacrilege!!! > >I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies >made so you could weld in new... > >But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above original. >And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. > >rml > >p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some of >the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jan 5 12:50:40 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:50:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to support the wires. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM To: Rocky Entriken Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Sacrilege!!! Rocky Entriken wrote: > Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. > > --Rocky Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Jan 5 13:29:53 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> Message-ID: <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech modern solutions! Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! --Justin From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 16:08:38 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:08:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing >cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? > > On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't > want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a > Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half > a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. > Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? > > It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this > one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech > modern solutions! > > Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By > all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think > that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly > tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! > > --Justin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 16:47:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:47:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: I use the standard filler cap from Triumph. Never complaint about that at scrutineering I just have to use a tape strap to safety the cap. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Rocky Entriken Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 00:09 An: Justin Wagner; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing >cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? > > On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't > want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a > Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half > a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. > Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? > > It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this > one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech > modern solutions! > > Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By > all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think > that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly > tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! > > --Justin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Jan 5 17:09:20 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on experiences. Thanks Terry O'Beirne From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Mon Jan 5 17:11:38 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:11:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> Message-ID: <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely at Riverside). This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time capsule. Happy new year to all and thanks again... M Tim Murphy wrote: > Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good > also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to > support the wires. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Justin Wagner > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM > To: Rocky Entriken > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > Sacrilege!!! > > > > Rocky Entriken wrote: > > >> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >> >> --Rocky >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jan 5 17:28:09 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stomberg carbs Message-ID: <8CB3DACC921C4CA-11B4-1703@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all who responded, but I now have what I need. By the way, if anyone needs GT6 parts let me know.? I have a couple of cars with lots of good stuff that I won't likely use. Chuck From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 19:05:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:05:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com><49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark...If by tape you mean regular tape such as Racers Tape...I strongly suggest you use something more solid, like a metal strap..Also.. even with a metal strap, the stock Triumph filler will not be sealed tightly in a rollover...and will leak heavily...I have my original cap in place for cosmetics, ..my fuel cell is in the trunk.. Racer bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I use the standard filler cap from Triumph. Never complaint about that at > scrutineering I just have to use a tape strap to safety the cap. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Rocky Entriken > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 00:09 > An: Justin Wagner; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. > > Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our > LBCs > > to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them > distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my > car > for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just > there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. > (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) > > A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class > car. > > A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My > favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Wagner" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >>I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. >>Racing > >>cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >>serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? >> >> On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't >> want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a >> Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half >> a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. >> Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? >> >> It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this >> one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech >> modern solutions! >> >> Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By >> all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think >> that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly >> tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! >> >> --Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 19:23:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:23:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the way your dad had it... you're doing wonderful stuff! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: "Tim Murphy" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. > > My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this > holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my dad > welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and sending a > tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending in a > permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely at > Riverside). > > This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding > stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time > capsule. > > Happy new year to all and thanks again... > > M > > Tim Murphy wrote: >> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to >> support the wires. >> >> Tim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >> To: Rocky Entriken >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >> >> Sacrilege!!! >> >> >> >> Rocky Entriken wrote: >> >> >>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>> >>> --Rocky >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 5 19:57:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:57:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <86782566-B04B-4654-821D-69E4134B8508@bnj.com> Flip caps are not illegal, they just need to be secured with a safety device. On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. > > Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with > our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make > them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas > filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected > to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk > lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race > cars.) > > A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified > class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still > Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" > > To: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" >> reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment >> to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs >> be any different? >> >> On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we >> don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't >> really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails >> after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just >> struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal >> tabs 20 or 30 years from now? >> >> It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save >> this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with >> low tech modern solutions! >> >> Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of >> racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's >> just nice to think that because of such discussions there may >> still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for >> future generations to ponder! >> >> --Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 5 19:58:21 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:58:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity and mount a regulator close to your carbs. On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > pump. It > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > delivery > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > experiences. > Thanks > Terry O'Beirne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 20:49:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> <86782566-B04B-4654-821D-69E4134B8508@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5C0A641E58F54FA0897B2DE1D3D6EAB2@rocky> 2009 GCR 9.3.26.3 [Pg. 80 --very first sentence]: "A positive locking fuel filler cap (no Monza/flip type) shall be used." I see no ambiguity there -- the portion in parentheses IS in the rule -- NO flip-type caps. Not, at least, in SCCA racing. I even got called on mine once, until (in full evil grin mode) I opened the trunk to show the fuel cell. My flip cap is perfectly legal as long as no actual fuel passes through it! ;-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Rocky Entriken Cc: Justin Wagner ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Flip caps are not illegal, they just need to be secured with a safety device. On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech modern solutions! Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! --Justin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 01:32:58 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:32:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto Message-ID: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Greetings from Finland! I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event last summer. Please have a look at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens that quite a lot). Regards Jari From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 01:43:41 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:43:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, whre you can se some older shootage as well: http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ Regards Jari Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > Greetings from Finland! > > I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event > last summer. Please have a look at: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 > > The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely > the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the > route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires > some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers > instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving > there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens > that quite a lot). > > Regards > Jari > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 6 04:08:50 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. Jari Tabell wrote: > Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, > whre you can se some older shootage as well: > http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ > > Regards > Jari > > > Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >> Greetings from Finland! >> >> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >> last summer. Please have a look at: >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >> >> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires >> some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers >> instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving >> there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens >> that quite a lot). >> >> Regards >> Jari >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 05:08:17 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:08:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... Bob kirjoitti: > I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't > come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. > > Jari Tabell wrote: >> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >> >> Regards >> Jari >> >> >> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>> Greetings from Finland! >>> >>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>> >>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires >>> some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre >>> barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes >>> make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera >>> view flattens that quite a lot). >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jan 6 07:28:41 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:28:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> I recommend the tried and true uncle jack pump and regulator - the holley blue pump with regulator - there are two models of regulator you can request, the lower pressure one is good for one to four psi. We went through many combinations before arriving at this. My experience with the Webers says that they don't like much more than 2 to 2.5 PSI or you overcome the "needle valve" (really more like a grose jet). So you end up with a regulator. If you have a regulator that tries to drop the pressure by only a couple of PSI, you end up with really hard to diagnose intermittent fuel delivery problems. If you give the regulator enough pressure to work with, then it's reliable. That's what the Holley Blue setup does. This has worked on a number of cars. It's certainly not the ONLY way to go, though. As Bill mentions, put the pump next to the fuel cell and the regulator next to the carbs. Use large fuel line, like -6 (or 3/8"). Here's a link to this setup on the Pegasus website: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 - Tony Drews At 08:58 PM 1/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity >and mount a regulator close to your carbs. >On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > > pump. It > > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > > delivery > > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > > experiences. > > Thanks > > Terry O'Beirne > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 07:35:50 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:35:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use a Mitsuba fuel pump. Works fine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 15:29 An: Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query I recommend the tried and true uncle jack pump and regulator - the holley blue pump with regulator - there are two models of regulator you can request, the lower pressure one is good for one to four psi. We went through many combinations before arriving at this. My experience with the Webers says that they don't like much more than 2 to 2.5 PSI or you overcome the "needle valve" (really more like a grose jet). So you end up with a regulator. If you have a regulator that tries to drop the pressure by only a couple of PSI, you end up with really hard to diagnose intermittent fuel delivery problems. If you give the regulator enough pressure to work with, then it's reliable. That's what the Holley Blue setup does. This has worked on a number of cars. It's certainly not the ONLY way to go, though. As Bill mentions, put the pump next to the fuel cell and the regulator next to the carbs. Use large fuel line, like -6 (or 3/8"). Here's a link to this setup on the Pegasus website: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 - Tony Drews At 08:58 PM 1/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity >and mount a regulator close to your carbs. >On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > > pump. It > > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > > delivery > > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > > experiences. > > Thanks > > Terry O'Beirne > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 08:09:53 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:09:53 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you think when watching those photos... Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... > > Bob kirjoitti: >> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >> >> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>> >>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>> >>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 6 08:32:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:32 EST Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2009 5:09:17 AM Central Standard Time, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes: > I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't > come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. > You can put my early TR3 race car down as having one. Original ignition key and the key fob is an SU wrench. Now that's VINTAGE. Bill Dentinger ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 08:42:59 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:42:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: It makes me thinking why the following cars don't slow down? Some of them are heading with smoking wheels into the accident. If I see parts flying around in front of me I slow down a lot and have a look first before go there with speed. Should have been yellow flagged? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jari Tabell Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 16:10 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ahvenisto Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you think when watching those photos... Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... > > Bob kirjoitti: >> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >> >> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>> >>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>> >>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 09:32:41 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:32:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> Yes, there has been a lot of discussion about this incident here, and these photos have been a very good evidence of what really happened. Actually, the Opel #68 was sideways already before the black BMW hit it. So the driver of the BMW couldn't do anything but braking as hard as possible. When the orange BMW arrived, there were yellow flags waving and the air full of smoke and car parts already. It's difficult to say why he didn't realize what was happening. Anyway, I think that this a very good reminder that it's good to lift off whenever you see something strange happening. Jari MadMarx kirjoitti: > It makes me thinking why the following cars don't slow down? > Some of them are heading with smoking wheels into the accident. > If I see parts flying around in front of me I slow down a lot and have a > look first before go there with speed. > Should have been yellow flagged? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jari Tabell > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 16:10 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ahvenisto > > Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years > we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: > http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 > > Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver > of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you > think when watching those photos... > > Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > >> That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... >> >> Bob kirjoitti: >> >>> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >>> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >>> >>> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> >>>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> >>>> >>>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> >>>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>>> >>>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>>> >>>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Jari >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Fot mailing list >>>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jan 6 09:38:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Jari Tabell wrote: > Yes, there has been a lot of discussion about this incident here, and > these photos have been a very good evidence of what really happened. > Actually, the Opel #68 was sideways already before the black BMW hit it. > So the driver of the BMW couldn't do anything but braking as hard as > possible. When the orange BMW arrived, there were yellow flags waving > and the air full of smoke and car parts already. It's difficult to say > why he didn't realize what was happening. It looked to me like the BMWs were ganging up on the Opel! Yikes. Hopefully, the Open driver wasn't hurt too bad. It looks like he took a pretty good shot the second time he was hit. > Anyway, I think that this a very good reminder that it's good to lift > off whenever you see something strange happening. ... and you're not balls deep in the corner. Otherwise, it's spin city! > Jari rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 16:00:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:00:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: What a lovely track layout. That must be fun. Very hard to overtake there it seems. Your outside attack must have confused the Mini driver. How does the video ends? Did you stay in front of the Mini? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jari Tabell Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 09:33 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Ahvenisto Greetings from Finland! I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event last summer. Please have a look at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens that quite a lot). Regards Jari Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:48:49 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:48:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> Message-ID: <49642621.70103@twcny.rr.com> Yea, I get sentimental around this one, its been around my whole life. I remember it at Justice Buick in New Jersey in 1959 when my parents bought it. I was only 4 then but I knew it was a big deal that we were getting a shiny New Red Triumph (2 yrs old), my dad had an old fade-2-pink TR 2 at the time. My brother and I were ecstatic that there was carpet behind the seats where we always rode, carseats - not-so-much, heck - this one didn't even have a jumpseat, but we were styling. In 1961 we moved to Southern California crossing the US in the 2 TRs. Mom raced it also; "Powderpuff" I think they called it. Actually she has more 1st place trophies than dad which always tweaked him. They have great stories and I have a few memories of literally racing for 3000 miles... Its been mine since I was 11, took my first date out in it (talk about a beater - the car I mean). It was the first car I ever got airborne... nuf said M RACER BUD wrote: > hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the > way your dad had it... > you're doing wonderful stuff! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: "Tim Murphy" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. >> >> My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car >> this holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell >> that my dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front >> axels and sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it >> skyward ending in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the >> early 60s (likely at Riverside). >> >> This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding >> stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time >> capsule. >> >> Happy new year to all and thanks again... >> >> M >> >> Tim Murphy wrote: >>> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >>> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only >>> have to >>> support the wires. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >>> To: Rocky Entriken >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >>> >>> Sacrilege!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky Entriken wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>>> >>>> --Rocky >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:53:21 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question Message-ID: <000901c9707b$7bfe1ff0$6501a8c0@HP> Makes a lot of sense Thanks M From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jan 6 21:17:01 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:17:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: Terry, I agree with you on the Carter pump but I still use a Holley regulator to drop the pressure. I also found that it helps to have two feeds between the three carbs on a common line to give each carb equal pressure. Mike Munson http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on experiences. Thanks Terry O'Beirne From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 21:37:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:37:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> <49642621.70103@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: That is a WONDERFUL story.. thanks for sharing it Friend.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Tim Murphy" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Yea, I get sentimental around this one, its been around my whole life. I > remember it at Justice Buick in New Jersey in 1959 when my parents bought > it. I was only 4 then but I knew it was a big deal that we were getting a > shiny New Red Triumph (2 yrs old), my dad had an old fade-2-pink TR 2 at > the time. My brother and I were ecstatic that there was carpet behind the > seats where we always rode, carseats - not-so-much, heck - this one didn't > even have a jumpseat, but we were styling. > > In 1961 we moved to Southern California crossing the US in the 2 TRs. Mom > raced it also; "Powderpuff" I think they called it. Actually she has more > 1st place trophies than dad which always tweaked him. They have great > stories and I have a few memories of literally racing for 3000 miles... > > Its been mine since I was 11, took my first date out in it (talk about a > beater - the car I mean). It was the first car I ever got airborne... > > nuf said > > M > > > > RACER BUD wrote: >> hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the way >> your dad had it... >> you're doing wonderful stuff! >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" >> >> To: "Tim Murphy" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >> >> >>> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. >>> >>> My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this >>> holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my >>> dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and >>> sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending >>> in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely >>> at Riverside). >>> >>> This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding >>> stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time >>> capsule. >>> >>> Happy new year to all and thanks again... >>> >>> M >>> >>> Tim Murphy wrote: >>>> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >>>> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have >>>> to >>>> support the wires. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>>> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >>>> To: Rocky Entriken >>>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >>>> >>>> Sacrilege!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Entriken wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>>>> >>>>> --Rocky >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jan 7 00:25:43 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:25:43 EST Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:24:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 > From: "Terry and Cindy" > Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query > To: > Message-ID: > <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com at Rat01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > experiences. > Thanks > Terry O'Beirne > > Hi Terry, I know nothing about Carter fuel pumps. I have been using Facet Silver Top Competition Unit part # 480530 for some years now, with no issues. I also use a Malpassi Filter King Fuel Regulator, (the one without the filter) I would NOT use a Triple Webers without an adjustable fuel regulator. I use a Stewart Warner electric Fuel Pressure gauge to keep an eye on what is happening. Ideal fuel pressure for my set-up seems to be between 1= - 2= psi depending on whether I am driving in town or on the interstate, (my car is a fast road rather than a race car). For filters, I use the glass cylinders with renewable nylon filters, although for race use you may prefer to use something without glass, but I advise to avoid paper filters. Regards Leon F Guyot http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Jan 7 09:44:23 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6 Triple carbs for sale Message-ID: <20090107164437.7A75E187878@autox.team.net> I have listed for sale a Dellorto DHLA 40 triple carb setup for a TR6/GT6 complete with linkage and Cannon late model TR6 intake manifold on ebaymotors. Item# 330298711417. In case anyone at FOT has a need or interest. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 30892 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Jan 7 12:48:32 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:48:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Rolling chassis's for sale Message-ID: <200901071248624.SM07304@[166.70.182.40]> Part of our move to Kentucky requires us to downsize our fleet of Triumphs.B With that in mind we have the following rolling chassis's available. TR4 rolling chassis with tub.B Tub is in relatively good shape.B Definitely worth restoring.B This would be a good candidate for someone that had a body that is worthless but otherwise complete. TR3 rolling chassis.B Very good shape.B Will likely need sand blasting. TR4 frame.B Will need sand blasting but in excellent shape. All are located just south of Little Rock Arkansas. Thanks, Brad From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jan 8 06:51:34 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:51:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7417DA64-769C-4F52-B133-2214EFD23B3B@wi.rr.com> Webers are very sensitive to fuel pressure. You need to run a regulator and the range should be between 1.5 - 2 lbs. otherwise you will experience "stumble". I run triple 40 DCOE's on my TR6. Allen On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:24:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > >> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 >> From: "Terry and Cindy" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query >> To: >> Message-ID: >> <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com at Rat01> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter >> pump. > It >> seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI >> delivery >> but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is >> not >> needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based >> on >> experiences. >> Thanks >> Terry O'Beirne >> >> Hi Terry, > > > I know nothing about Carter fuel pumps. > > I have been using Facet Silver Top Competition Unit part # 480530 > for some > years now, with no issues. > > I also use a Malpassi Filter King Fuel Regulator, (the one without the > filter) > > I would NOT use a Triple Webers without an adjustable fuel regulator. > > I use a Stewart Warner electric Fuel Pressure gauge to keep an eye > on what is > happening. > > Ideal fuel pressure for my set-up seems to be between 1= - 2= psi > depending > on whether I am driving in town or on the interstate, (my car is a > fast road > rather than a race car). > > For filters, I use the glass cylinders with renewable nylon filters, > although > for race use you may prefer to use something without glass, but I > advise to > avoid paper filters. > > Regards > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho > ts.com/user/vitesse1963 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jan 9 14:07:10 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:07:10 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: I hear there are videos out there on Group 44. One is called the White Wave. Does anybody have this? I need these for our Group 44 dinner Thursday April 30th at The Mitty. By the way, the Group 44 Tribute is making very good progress. Bob Tullius will be our grand marshall and most of the team and the cars are will be there. Some details are at our site, but I will make a more formal invite when I get a few more details together. I asked earlier and got some response, but if you own one of these cars, or know of someone who does, please contact me. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 10 14:48:27 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hauling request Message-ID: <496917AB.1080709@cfl.rr.com> Anyone traveling empty or with enough room to haul a TR3 frame from the Little Rock area to Orlando FL area? thxx, Bob From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jan 11 10:10:21 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:10:21 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: Mike Cook is assisting me with the Videos. Thanks to all who responded. We want to use them at the Thursday night Group 44 dinner and tribute to Bob Tullius. This will be semi-private function, but tickets will be made available to FOT members as soon as I get details worked out. As far as run groups go, we want to attract as many FOT members as possible, and see this as the unoffical, official east coast FOT event, as many can't go to Portland. The HSR is usually amenable to a Triumph group if we get enough entrants, which we should be able to do. Jack Whoerle has been involved before, on loan from SVRA to HSR, for the weekend. I will formally ask that this happen again, as Jack speaks our language and did agreat job looking out for our interests. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From JWoesvra at aol.com Sun Jan 11 10:13:11 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:13:11 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: Thanks for the confidence. I would be happy to help as long as you get HSR's blessing. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/11/2009 12:10:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, GRMTim at aol.com writes: The HSR is usually amenable to a Triumph group if we get enough entrants, which we should be able to do. Jack Whoerle has been involved before, on loan from SVRA to HSR, for the weekend. I will formally ask that this happen again, as Jack speaks our language and did agreat job looking out for our interests. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jan 12 12:14:36 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes Message-ID: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Hello FOTers, Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with? Thanks, Chuck Gee From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Jan 12 16:03:07 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:03:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wheels Message-ID: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been slightly flared). I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern and offset. Can anyone confirm this? If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am interested. Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 32147 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 12 16:18:30 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheels In-Reply-To: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> References: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <496BCFC6.9090807@cfl.rr.com> Same bolt pattern but are normally 14 inch. Walter Hollowell wrote: > For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking > Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been > slightly flared). > I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern > and offset. Can anyone confirm this? > If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am > interested. > Thank You > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, NM > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 32147 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Jan 12 16:29:28 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes References: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c9750d$9dd0a0d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Chuck, I think Ted Schumacher at TSI sells a set of CR gears for that gearbox. No financial interest; I just always thought Ted's a good guy. Lots of snow and cold here in Erie. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes > Hello FOTers, > > Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Jan 12 17:09:40 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:09:40 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes Message-ID: Yes, I can confirm that Ted has them as I have been discussing a set with him. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jan 13 07:45:36 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] wheels In-Reply-To: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Walt, Yes they are the same. The 15x7" wheels we use on the front and back are 0 offset. I don't know about 6" wheels. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheels For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been slightly flared). I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern and offset. Can anyone confirm this? If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am interested. Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 13 08:07:32 2009 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Parts & Salvage Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Millar" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:30 AM Subject: Parts & Salvage Dear Sirs We are breaking over 1000 sports cars including over 200 TVR models. If you need parts for any TVR model drop us a line. We also have at least 350 damage repairable vehicles for sale at www.douglasvalley.co.uk click on salvage. Three sites in the UK and one in Perth W A. regards Jason Millar www.douglasvalley.co.uk email Jason at douglasvalley.co.uk 441257424695 salvage 441257472866 parts From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 13 08:24:20 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes In-Reply-To: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have an original Factory close ratio gearbox. 1.88 first, 1.46 second, 1.23 third, 1.0 fourth. Fourth gear has some chips, but the box works just fine. Shifter included. $2,000 US plus shipping. Sam Halkias> To: FOT at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:36 -0500> From: chasgee at aol.com> Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes> > Hello FOTers,> > Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with?> > Thanks,> > Chuck Gee> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 From bfeken at copper.net Tue Jan 13 11:01:12 2009 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:01:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3A-TR6 close ratio gears Message-ID: <002901c975a8$ecd35c40$225afb48@keng> FOT, I had a conversation with Pete Cox this AM about future supplies of close ratio gear sets. He tells me that some 50 sets have been ordered & that some of the new gears have begun to arrive. He expects to have them available by early February. Ken Gillanders BFE From lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jan 13 11:00:56 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:00:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weekend at the Glen Message-ID: Hello All, Neat little article in Moss' new issue of British Motoring. Rekindles some great memories of that wonderful event. Top picture is a great action shot of Tony in the 250K. And to my surprise has perhaps the smallest identifiable picture I'll ever see of my car [purple and yellow does tend to stand out in a crowd!]. The second pic. shows that all one has to do is R&R a head trackside and win the Bill Ames award and they start mistaking you for Kas Kastner - right Larry? [my apologies if that is you Kas, presenting the award, but I don't think so] Best New Year wishes to all, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From jmwagner at greenheart.com Tue Jan 13 11:04:31 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:04:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Off Topic, but worth checking out. Message-ID: <496CD7AF.8060903@greenheart.com> Check this out.... It works!!! Very cool! Follow link for video explanation of the free service. --Justin Wagner Dial from any phone 1-800-GOOG-411 (1-800-466-4411) http://www.google.com/goog411/ From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Jan 13 15:33:16 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <000401c975ce$ecb1d882$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Kudos SVRA... From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Jan 13 18:01:16 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <000401c975ce$ecb1d882$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EB1C@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-7N7LDG?OpenDocument The link got stripped from my last message... -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Kudos SVRA... From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jan 13 18:42:46 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:42:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 65' Spit racer 4 Sale Message-ID: Fairly sorted out RMVR car, 1296 40+, O.D. rollers w/ open trlr. stored inside. Owner motivated. Contact Alan @ 303 601-0017 alaneha at yahoo.com thanks, Kevin From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 10:08:56 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011420091708.16243.496E1C2800092B2A00003F732213539653CE08019D099C@comcast.net> Hey, Henry, copy that! All last year I wore the $900 "budget" HANS with the sliding tethers and never even noticed it was on. After seeing Sid Lessard's Spitfire (same year as mine) impale the turn 9 guardrail head-on at the Glen last year (VRG), my first thought was "wow, I hope he was wearing a HANS, and I'm sure glad I am!" Good call, SVRA, in my opinion. Steve Groh SVRA 393 Spitfire -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Henry Frye" > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-7N7LDG?OpenDocument > > The link got stripped from my last message... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Frye > Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > Kudos SVRA... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:04:35 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:04:35 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 11:09:58 AM Central Standard Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: > Hey, Henry, copy that! All last year I wore the $900 "budget" HANS with > the sliding tethers and never even noticed it was on. After seeing Sid > Lessard's Spitfire (same year as mine) impale the turn 9 guardrail head-on at the > Glen last year (VRG), my first thought was "wow, I hope he was wearing a HANS, > and I'm sure glad I am!" > Good call, SVRA, in my opinion. > I am a long time member of SVRA, and have great respect for their professional approach to such matters. I commend them on their dedication to safety issues. This head restraint issue is especially important with our hobby's recent experience (our own Jack Drews, Surjit Hermon, etc.). But making it mandatory for everyone but Pre-World War II cars with seven months notice strikes me as a little radical. SCCA, VSCDA and many others still have this issue as 'Highly Recommended', allowing it to be remain a personal decision. They are all in favor of such devices, but have not made them mandatory. I bite my tongue for appearing to throw stones at someone who wants to protect me. I should be thanking them. But if it is critically important and needs to be mandatory, why waive the issue for Prewar cars? I can think of several that go faster than I do, and they have antique steering and brakes. Just my thoughts... Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:23:00 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:23:00 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You cannot use a HANS device without those. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:09:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: why waive the issue for Prewar cars? I can think of several that go faster than I do, and they have antique steering and brakes. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 14 12:35:30 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:35:30 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: FOT: The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative merits of organizations and locations. Thanks, Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 12:39:52 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VTR..Gary horskorta Message-ID: <74085F59B6934B519365A2DD1791E462@Bud> Great coverage of Watkins Glen Triumph event in the new VTR mag...Good Job Gary Horskorta for the coverage and excellent photos..The cover photo of Jeff Snook and Henry Frye is Fantastic! Racer Bud From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:47:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:32 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You > cannot use a HANS device without those. > Jack... SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But I have to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, shoulder straps, head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I know the answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to chase them away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from our events who used to come regularly. A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety equipment to make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some personal decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 %26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 14:30:40 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:30:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <27299926.1231968640496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One of the larger groups of Pre-war cars comes out of VSCCA. They dont even require drivers to have a doctor sign a medical form so its not surprizing that they also dont have roll bars, shoulder belts or fuel cells. Its not they dont love their drivers, it's as was explained very carefully to me once...driving their cars is one of the few reasons some of these guys are still around. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 14, 2009 2:47 PM >To: JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra >writes: > > >> Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You >> cannot use a HANS device without those. >> >Jack... >SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers >in the Prewar Group? > >I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But I have >to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, shoulder straps, >head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I know the >answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to chase them >away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from our events >who used to come regularly. > >A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety equipment to >make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some personal >decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just >2 easy steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 >%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 14:32:52 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: <18805151.1231968772928.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sebring 12 hr support race. You want spectacle racing, this is it. -----Original Message----- >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Sent: Jan 14, 2009 2:35 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months > >FOT: > >The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. > >What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, >distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... > >My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: > >The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR >Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA > >Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where >the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative >merits of organizations and locations. > >Thanks, > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Jan 14 14:55:13 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:55:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Triumph Ghetto will be assembled at VIR in April for the VDCA track time extravaganza as usual. All Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are welcome to join us for Surf 'n Turf dinner in the Ghetto on Friday night. I believe it's the weekend of April 10-13. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months FOT: The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative merits of organizations and locations. Thanks, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 14 16:43:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:43:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level with very rare exception. On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:47 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, > JWoesvra > writes: > > >> Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder >> harnesses. You >> cannot use a HANS device without those. >> > Jack... > SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do > the racers > in the Prewar Group? > > I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But > I have > to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, > shoulder straps, > head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I > know the > answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to > chase them > away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from > our events > who used to come regularly. > > A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety > equipment to > make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some > personal > decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 > %26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 14 17:18:28 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713194.36465.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes - VDCA at VIR April 10-13 is #1 - VSCDA at Gingerman April 30-May 3 could be my second event - VSCDA at Blackhawk June 19-21 is a sure thing Dennis DeLap From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:00:59 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:00:59 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:05:06 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:05:06 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: Not a lot of track time but loads of excitement and history. We have never featured Triumph at Sebring. We can do it though. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 4:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grandwazoo at earthlink.net writes: Sebring 12 hr support race. You want spectacle racing, this is it. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 18:18:38 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > BillDentin > writes: > > SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the > racers > in the Prewar Group? > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 19:14:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:14:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: <0C738310BB3941FF82E7377FA351D9F8@Bud> I don't know about Lime Rock, but Peter Giddings in his pre-war Alfa turns about 2:09 at Infineon..faster than most 50's-late 60's production vintage racers..It takes real 'stuff' to drive those things fast..skinny wheels that bend..sideways all the time.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > >> PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their >> agony? >> >> Jack Woehrle >> SVRA Technical Director >> jwoesvra at aol.com >> 803-463-5388 >> FAX 803-794-8747 >> 701 Center Street >> West Columbia, SC 29169 >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> BillDentin >> writes: >> >> SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the >> racers >> in the Prewar Group? >> >> >> >> **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >> capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jan 14 20:49:05 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <496EB231.10507@bradakis.com> You may remember a while back I was asking about a second gear scrunch in a TR6 gearbox I'd recently rebuilt. Finally pulled it out of the car and tore it down. Interesting. The fact that I measured good clearance on the the second gear synchro was due to the chunks of metal wedged in there. The distance washer at the back end of the second gear tophat had crumbled apart. The bronze tophat itself had not broken apart, though it was cracked and chewed up a fair amount on the small end. We surmise that it happened as a result of a missing cotter pin on the diff flange. Around the end of august the nut came loose, the pinion worked its way out of the bearings and into the carrier. It resulted in the car coming to an abrupt and less than graceful halt, as the owner related. My money is on the car being in second gear when it happened. Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 14 21:40:23 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:40:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed In-Reply-To: <496EB231.10507@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20090115044023.PQCT15744.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > Moss part number is > 847-065, Stanpart would be 216802. I might have one, but I'd have to dig around for it and won't be able to check until the weekend. Do the later gears have a different number of teeth? Randall From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 06:31:12 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:31:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <14053872.135718.1232026272195.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Mark; I will look thru my collection of gears this morning. If the gears haven't been changed your's should have: Symmetrical dog teeth Bronze bushings Synchronizer sleeves with wide grooves at the ends Later tooth profile The part NO. 216802 is correct for that serial number of gearbox, Provided no one has changed any of the gears to earlyer style. Will get back to you around lunch time. Dean T. Jan 14, 2009 11:03:33 PM, mark at bradakis.com wrote: Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 07:09:45 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 07:48:11 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:48:11 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti w/blowers, etc. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 07:56:07 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:56:07 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:48:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:01:58 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:01:58 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/15/2009 8:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? > Just one. The other one developed a fuel pick up issue during a dive bomb pass trying to get by me. Bill ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:17:02 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:17:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <21158569.1232032622135.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ben Bragg got the Old Grey Mare down to a 1'08" last fall, I believe. the OGM is a ford flathead powered special that is - to put it mildly - technologically pretty agricultural but Ben is a superb driver. There are prewar GP cars that should be two seconds or more faster. Peter Giddings has certainly been well under 1'10" in the Maserati. Kind regards, jimdonick VSCCA Editor -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM >To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, >19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > > >> What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? > >I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex >Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my >knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone >else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti >w/blowers, etc. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:27:47 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Henry, With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our policies anyway. There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when technology is available to do so. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:32:24 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:32:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <30728332.1232033544999.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ben Bragg got the Old Grey Mare down to almost a 1'08" last fall, I believe. the OGM is a ford flathead powered special that is - to put it mildly - technologically pretty agricultural but Ben is a superb driver. There are prewar GP cars that should be two seconds or more faster. Peter Giddings has certainly been well under 1'10" in the Maserati and the Bugatti. Kind regards, jimdonick VSCCA Editor -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM >To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, >19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > > >> What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? > >I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex >Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my >knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone >else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti >w/blowers, etc. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:33:38 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:33:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Are any of your race cars street legal? I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your experiences or recommendations? If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad idea for a race car Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas Muffler: Supertrapp? Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. What would they look at at the DMV? ~Steve From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:41:29 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:41:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <22992212.1232034089363.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jeff Jacobson was the fast guy in the trike. He is capable on a very good day of getting down in the 1'10-ish space. I'm not sure he can get around much faster than that. jpd -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 10:01 AM >To: JWoesvra at aol.com, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/15/2009 8:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra >writes: > > >> Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? >> >Just one. The other one developed a fuel pick up issue during a dive bomb >pass trying to get by me. > >Bill > > > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 15 09:04:41 2009 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:04:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <957999.82573.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack: This is a very positive rule change. At Beaver Run last year in my spitfire, I was accelerating out of the hairpin up the hill at eleven onto the front stretch and was t-boned by a ginetta going backwards that had spun once in the braking zone at the end of the backstretch and cut across the wet grass backwards. He bent my frame (which runs down the center), ruined my tub, crushing, among other things the firewall bulkhead, and pushed my Nascar side bars (dual bars with three vertical supports) on the passenger side in 12 inches or more. I recieved a concussion and rib buises and the chin bar on my helmet was cracked where it hit my HANS device (going forward). I had installed a head and shoulder unit cup support system on my Kirkey seat, which also had rib and thigh supports. I was set up to pass inside another Ginetta and had just outbraked a Kurtis both of whom had no side protection at all. Drivers should buttress the HANS system with head and shoulder cups attached to their seats. Oesterle --- On Wed, 1/14/09, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: JWoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints To: BillDentin at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:00 PM PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 09:43:39 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:43:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With all due respect, I like to keep things in prespective. I do value my life but see many organizations bend the safety rules to increase car count when the entries start to thin out. The guy who was killed at Road America had his cause of death as "blunt trauma to head and chest" or something like that according to Vintage racecar Magazine. I don't see where the neck restraint would have helped him out as much as stopping the race to remove the disabled car that he hit would have. Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Henry, With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our policies anyway. There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when technology is available to do so. Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 09:48:24 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Compromises on both sides of course. I plan to do this with the AMBRO. It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to have the choice. Joe >Are any of your race cars street legal? > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >experiences or recommendations? > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >idea for a race car > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped >TR3. > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca Thu Jan 15 09:53:42 2009 From: Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca (Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jack. I welcome the discussion SVRA is implementing the use of the HANS devise. # 42 Triumph TR-8 Peter Bulkowski From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 09:57:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:46 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 5:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few > years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck > protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level > with very rare exception. > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing than I'll ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and I think they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all sorts of racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after incidents, cycle racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs dangling. In most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws on the books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the riders fight these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose to argue against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes down to a stand against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic laws. You know, "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business." Incidentally, it is NOT a personal issue for me. Wife Shirley is getting me a HANS device for my birthday. She was with me at GRATTAN the day Jack Drews was killed. That was last August. She gave me until the end of the year to get one on my own, and then 'mandated' it. That's seven months...pretty much the same as what SVRA is giving. Difference is, I can argue with SVRA if I choose to. I don't dare argue with Shirley. Bill Dentinger PS...Bill...I always meant to ask you. What did you think of GRATTAN when you raced there? It remains my favorite track. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 10:08:23 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is huge lobbying group that has as its sole purpose to overturn Helmet laws. They very powerful and have overturned the laws in every state they have entered, and are essentially just going down the list 'til they've done it in all fifty, they still have a few states left. The average motorcycle head injury runs $80K and the average insurance policy will cover about $40K the taxpayers pick up the balance. This could start a whole new discussion................Henry Morrison> From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:46 -0500> To: Billb at bnj.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > In a message dated 01/14/2009 5:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes:> > > > Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few > > years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck > > protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level > > with very rare exception. > > > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. > > I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing than I'll > ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and I think > they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all sorts of > racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after incidents, cycle > racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs dangling. In > most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather > authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. > > This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws on the > books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the riders fight > these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose to argue > against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes down to a stand > against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic laws. You know, > "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business."> > Incidentally, it is NOT a personal issue for me. Wife Shirley is getting me > a HANS device for my birthday. She was with me at GRATTAN the day Jack Drews > was killed. That was last August. She gave me until the end of the year to > get one on my own, and then 'mandated' it. That's seven months...pretty much > the same as what SVRA is giving. Difference is, I can argue with SVRA if I > choose to. I don't dare argue with Shirley. > > Bill Dentinger> > PS...Bill...I always meant to ask you. What did you think of GRATTAN when > you raced there? It remains my favorite track.> > > > > **************> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=> DecemailfooterNO62)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 15 10:14:58 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: My 64 Spit (Now Marty's) was street legal for a short while. Well, it had plates anyway and it was 'mostly' legal...It was legal in Wisconsin, which had some pretty lax definitions of 'street legal' at the time. Turn signals were ArmStrong, no generator/alternator, you had to plug in the battery when you got home, etc. I drove it down to the gas station one to put gas in it(2 blocks), and drove it from the storage location to the garage (about 11 miles) on slicks. It was fun.... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, wrote: > Compromises on both sides of course. > > I plan to do this with the AMBRO. > > It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to > have the choice. > > Joe > > >Are any of your race cars street legal? > > > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > >experiences or recommendations? > > > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > >idea for a race car > > > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > > > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > >TR3. > > > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > > > > >~Steve > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 10:20:00 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:20:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0f3a01c97735$7f5356f0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > What would they look at at the DMV? Definitely varies greatly with state (and even DMV office). Mine let me register a car that had no windshield, hood or trunk lid, and no rear fenders. The reason they gave for turning me down the first time was lack of seats. (But I also put on the steering wheel, doors, front apron and front fenders before going back.) Didn't have a title either, so they had me sign that the car had been in my possession and not on the street, etc. ... my new title is supposed to come from Sacramento by next month. But my DMV's supervisor is also president of the Studebaker club, so YMMV However, the police are rather more picky around here, they will stop you for no windshield. Apparently Brooklands style racing screens are OK, but you must have something. FWIW, I get by pretty good with the frame about 3.25" from the ground. Too high for a racecar, but anything lower drags too often on the street for my comfort, especially on parking lot speed bumps. One solution might be taller tires for street use; as you probably wouldn't want to wear out your race tires anyway. Supposedly in PA, you can't even lower the car without getting in trouble. They probably insist on proper bumpers as well. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 10:20:46 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:20:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> I think it's a great idea, but then I've considered making Peyote street legal so I could drive it to the track. Just one of those whacky ideas. My Ambro will definitely be street legal. Regs vary greatly from state to state, but in almost any state you can do a once-in-your-life special registration that covers almost any construction. the DMV is not generally interested in much, you don't even need headlights in most states . You need to find out local biases and talk to someone at the DMV. Talk to the local hot rodders and find where the most lenient inspectors are. On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of > some driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might > be my demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, > bad idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but > it's killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 10:21:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:21:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f3b01c97735$bbdd14d0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Still gonna, still gonna, still gonna die ... From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:23:08 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: You'l be happy to know it's still just as streatable. I drove it about 5 miles just before winter to stick it in a storage barn since my garage was going to be tied up over the winter with my TR4A/6 project and I didnt feel like draggin out the trailer. Got alot of funny looks on the road:) Thank goodnes I live in the sticks. Marty My 64 Spit (Now Marty's) was street legal for a short while. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 10:24:26 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:24:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011520091724.14912.496F714A000BB5CC00003A4022069997359705029A0002030E0B01019B@comcast.net> I got a HANS a week after Uncle Jack passed. I had planned on it all along but that did it for me. Outright death is not always the result of an overextended neck. Losing the use of my arms and legs is far worse for me. Just a chair for a quardraplegic is over ten times the cost of the HANS. I believe vintage racing as a whole are the last to mandate head restraints. NASA made them mandatory last year. It was an easy choice for me. Jim G. -------------- Original message -------------- From: > With all due respect, I like to keep things in prespective. I do value my > life but see many organizations bend the safety rules to increase car count > when the entries start to thin out. The guy who was killed at Road America > had his cause of death as "blunt trauma to head and chest" or something like > that according to Vintage racecar Magazine. I don't see where the neck > restraint would have helped him out as much as stopping the race to remove the > disabled car that he hit would have. Mandatory neck restraints have been > tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy > once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > Henry, > > With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you > have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our > policies anyway. > > There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been > sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to > understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a > hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when > technology is available to do so. > > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires > before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do > you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If > all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been > required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, > leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding > neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. > Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars > racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 10:30:51 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10ABD366-2F7A-4CFF-A9BE-DF789EDF1089@earthlink.net> Come on Henry, you DO wear a helmet to work - I've seen it! OK, so it was a "vintage" style aviator with goggles and scarf but it was still unmistakably you sticking up out oh that Healey - got a good laugh that day! Seriously though, I knew the writing was on the wall after last years tragedies. I'm not a fan of mandates of any sort but look at it this way - If they were to be mandated across all racing [which I think will happen eventually] maybe the cost would come down to something a bit more reasonable. Regarding the fatal Surjit Hermon accident at Road America, perhaps you shouldn't be so judgmental - I was in that session and don't think the VSCDA folks need or deserve the burden of second guessing their actions. The Mini was so far off the racing surface that a driver would almost have to take aim to hit it and I think that is pretty much what happened - Target Fixation! I'll never know if a HANS would have saved him but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have hurt him either. For me, I don't have one yet but it is on the A list. As for motorcycle helmets, anyone who doesn't wear one is just plain stupid. The only problem with mandating them is that it allows stupid people to live longer and takes "natural selection" out of the picture. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:09 AM, wrote: > I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy > new tires > before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to > work, do > you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the > street. If > all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. > had been > required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I > started, > leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I > wore. Adding > neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone > starting out. > > Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual > purpose cars > racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Thu Jan 15 10:31:32 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011520091731.1370.496F72F4000623BB0000055A22218801869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Steve, My TR-4A is registered for street use in California. It has headlights and a horn but the windshield is cut down so no wipers (or top). Its fun to drive on the street for short periods of time but the ride is too stiff to be fun for too long. It's also pretty loud. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Steven Belfer : -------------- > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jan 15 10:31:52 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was hoping to do the same. Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then drive home. The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the company knew about the car's use. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 10:44:48 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different than "life on the street". My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 10:31:47 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <21887948.143892.1232040707528.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Mark; I have two of the 216802 gears. One has 6 pitted teeth where the top of the gear was out of the oil for a looong period of time. Be glad to send one. Your choice. Dean Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Jan 15 11:07:16 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:07:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please remember that SVRA , CSRG, HMSA, GR, Sovren and everybody else has there own sandbox and "there" rules to play in "there" sandbox. It's your choice weather you wish to play by those rules. Tony Garmey> From: JWoesvra at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street".> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> > > Jack Woehrle> SVRA Technical Director> jwoesvra at aol.com> 803-463-5388> FAX 803-794-8747> 701 Center Street> West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most > I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 15 11:10:05 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always wanted to buy an old Formula Vee car, add lights and a horn and register it as a VW with a body kit. I was able to legally drive my 63 Spitfire on the street for the first time last fall at the Glen Historic recreation. With the exception of breaking a universal joint leaving the curb downtown it was the highlight of the weekend. mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 11:30:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:30:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The average > motorcycle > head injury runs $80K Last I heard, the costs were actually substantially higher for those wearing helmets. Something about a funeral being cheaper than 20 years in a hospital bed. Arguably, requiring full body armor 24/7 would also save lives, what with drive-by shootings and all. Call me "stupid", but I'm not doing that either. Randall From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 11:33:47 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street". > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. I don't know the answer to this one, but I have first hand experience with some of the more "backwater" venues for roundy-round types. If you want to see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. Especially the "hobby" classes. One of my buddies is a first responder (licensed EMT) and he worked trackside safety. He was actually threatened when he approached a participant that had the seat belts _tied to the seat and not bolted to the floor_ and told the participant to fix it. The participant response was something like "I'll tear your lungs out if you don't let me race". Oh well. That was New Hampshire. Live Free or Die. They have no helmet law. They also have 5 or 6 fatalities every year at the Loudon bike week. Go figure. But money on "backing off" on safety mandates is on small local track organizations. Once there's a fatality or accident with permanent disability, the tracks and/or organizations usually go bankrupt (because of the legal morass). > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 11:39:44 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:39:44 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: We ran an "enduro" many years ago at the local dirt track. You were required to have some sort of roll bar. One car had two 4x4's jambed between the roof and floor, with nails through the top to hold them in place. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: If you want to see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. Especially the "hobby" classes. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 11:51:12 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <48E283FE.6AF7D110.00159EE9@cs.com> The Jensens may remember the JAGUAR COUPE that had seat belts attached to the wooden floor boards at GREENWOOD. The driver died in the rollover. (mid-1960s) EDUCATION THROUGH ATTRITION? >We ran an "enduro" many years ago at the local dirt track. You were required >to have some sort of roll bar. One car had two 4x4's jambed between the roof >and floor, with nails through the top to hold them in place. > >Jack Woehrle >SVRA Technical Director >jwoesvra at aol.com >803-463-5388 >FAX 803-794-8747 >701 Center Street >West Columbia, SC 29169 > > >In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > >If you want to >see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. >Especially the "hobby" classes. > > > >**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 11:53:58 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:53:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought Grattan was a great track. Technical, fiddly, and a good test of suspension tuning. I don't care for high horsepower tracks in general, probably because I don't have much. I really liked that off camber turn. I wouldn't call it my favorite, but it's right up there. Motorcycle racers ARE nuts, I know that personally. Every time you get hurt (and you do get hurt a lot) the primary concern is "how long is this going to take before I can get back to racing" which explains a lot of things like pins, screws and plates where natural healing would be better, and casts being cut off in the pits with diagonal cutters. All these years later I'm paying a price, but it sure was fun while it lasted. You think scrambling into a corner to pass for position, late braking, with the rear end hopping and the front end sliding is fun in a car, try it on a bike, where four riders might be occupying the same space as one car. My heart is pounding just thinking of it. I still have dreams of sliding my bike into the big sweepers on a mile dirt track, drifting, drifting, with the rear end clawing for grip, the front end cranked within a fraction of full lock, sliding my foot until the rear end stated driving and then putting it back on the peg, still sliding, but starting to drive for the straight. Jesus. The one thing I NEVER skimped on was safety gear, as much because I believed it would reduce the down time as for any life-saving aspect. I truly believed I was immortal. Anyone who wants to ride a bike on the street without a helmet should be allowed to--as long as they are over 21 and have signed an organ donor card. The outlaw bikers that all cruiser riders emulate used to call themselves one-percenters, because the AMA (american motorcycle association) said 99 percent of motorcyclists were law abiding citizens. Those hairy guys with the do rags are 99 percent poseurs who put 100 miles a year on their bike and work as accountants and real estate agents. Nouveaux tough. Starbucks Angels. Why waste a perfectly good helmet on them. I feel uncomfortable riding a bike in my driveway without a top quality, full coverage helmet on. Incidentally, here's my latest bit of stupidity: http://www.kenalu.com/2008/11/30/sup-motorcycle-trailer/ On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. > > I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing > than I'll > ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and > I think > they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all > sorts of > racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after > incidents, cycle > racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs > dangling. In > most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather > authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. > > This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws > on the > books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the > riders fight > these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose > to argue > against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes > down to a stand > against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic > laws. You know, > "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business." From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 11:54:13 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:54:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed off. This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves me................Cheers Henry Morrison From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different than "life on the street". My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jan 15 12:35:25 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> One time driving down the Interstate (in Kansas) I went by a winged sprint car that had been made street legal. He'd added headlights/taillights was the only obvious modification, oh and a license plate holder. Don't recall if he had fenders, but if he did they were just moytorcycle fenders hung on the suspension. Horn? Don't know. Windshield -- no, but he wore a full-face helmet. Presumably the engine was seriously detuned. Still a 1-seater. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Street Legal > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 15 12:53:03 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> Message-ID: I have this Formula Ford chassis (With Spit front uprights!) sitting in my garage I keep thinking about turning into a high mpg street car...Maybe a nice 2L Audi engine/trans (since it's already longitudinal)...Since the 2L Rover engine doesn't mate up with any useful transmission...Sigh. So many projects... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > One time driving down the Interstate (in Kansas) I went by a winged sprint > car that had been made street legal. He'd added headlights/taillights was > the only obvious modification, oh and a license plate holder. Don't recall > if he had fenders, but if he did they were just moytorcycle fenders hung on > the suspension. Horn? Don't know. Windshield -- no, but he wore a full-face > helmet. Presumably the engine was seriously detuned. Still a 1-seater. > > --Rocky Entrik > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" < > colordog.1 at earthlink.net> > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:33 AM > Subject: [Fot] Street Legal > > > > Are any of your race cars street legal? >> >> I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >> OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some driver >> in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my demise. I'm >> more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. >> >> If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >> experiences or recommendations? >> >> If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >> idea for a race car >> >> Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal >> >> Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas >> >> Muffler: Supertrapp? >> >> Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. >> >> This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >> killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. >> >> What would they look at at the DMV? >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 15 13:23:53 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the market and prices should come down. I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how much does carbon fiber and molds cost. Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying special pricing? Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: "fot" ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed >off. > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves > me................Cheers Henry Morrison > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > [Fot] > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > different > than "life on the street". > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > most I > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 13:29:38 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:29:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Except for the fact that the VMC is supposed to allow for traveling around to different sanboxes and playing with others. I usually am somewhat suspect on many safety areas on my car, cause I keep it closer to original condition, and have never been refused entry into other club's events. It's always difficult for an organization to enforce one set of rules on its members and allow visitors to slide......................Henry Morrison From: horizonracing at msn.comTo: jwoesvra at aol.com; dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; billdentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; jensen87 at aol.comSubject: RE: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:07:16 -0800 Please remember that SVRA , CSRG, HMSA, GR, Sovren and everybody else has there own sandbox and "there" rules to play in "there" sandbox. It's your choice weather you wish to play by those rules. Tony Garmey> From: JWoesvra at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street".> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> > > Jack Woehrle> SVRA Technical Director> jwoesvra at aol.com> 803-463-5388> FAX 803-794-8747> 701 Center Street> West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most > I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 13:32:34 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure all these devices are patented and until the patents run out the manufacturer's will set the prices, not the market. Profiting on safety? Imagine............Henry Morrison> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; jwoesvra at aol.com; billb at bnj.com; billdentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:53 -0600> > I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, > but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the > things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is > price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and > demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the > market and prices should come down.> > I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is > some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have > thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers > and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should > cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how > much does carbon fiber and molds cost.> > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying > special pricing?> > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; > Cc: "fot" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > > >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed > >off.> > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves> > me................Cheers Henry Morrison> >> > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > > [Fot]> > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com;> > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> >> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > > as> > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > > different> > than "life on the street".> >> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > > enforcement?> > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> >> > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX> > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169> >> >> > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,> > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > > most I> > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > > Luck.> >> >> > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 15 13:33:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net><6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> <4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AA77A327E2842168E5123C740822617@DadsComputer> A number of years back the VTR had a classic car insurance provider, and I have insured my 2 street TR6's with that provider ever since. Angela Anthony is the agent and I called her the other day about insuring my recently purchased TR4 race car. I bought it in Ohio and it had a lapsed registration there so I thought, why not, get it plates and I can drive it around. We have a 5 year Antique car registration here in Texas that is cheap. She is working up the deal and can even insure my other race car that has no title if I am willing to apply for one. The policies are stated value like the Hagerties but are underwritten by Infinity. She said they won't do the race car but she had another provider. Doesn't cover you on the track but if you want to drive on the street or worry about theft.......You can call her at 908-757-8343. NFI. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was > hoping to do the same. > > Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then > drive home. > > The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the > company knew about the car's use. > > A. > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 13:48:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:48:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I run fully street legal. With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a welded diff. It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. Chris From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jan 15 13:57:09 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:57:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race car insurance (was Street Legal) References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net><6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com><4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> <7AA77A327E2842168E5123C740822617@DadsComputer> Message-ID: My race car (HP Spitfire) has been covered for years by Heacock Classic Insurance [formerly Parish Heacock] (www.heacockclassic.com). Yes, they know it's a race car. $250/year covers it for replacement value and even covers the trailer. $500 deductible. The caveat: the policy lapses as soon as I drive onto the track, resumes as soon as I come off. Primarily it covers me for all the off-track things that can happen -- I worry about vandalism; if the house catches on fire the homeowner's policy does not cover vehicles (even non-road vehicles); what if somebody wrecks me while I'm towing (nearly happened once in St. Louis when a guy spun across my tow van's nose on a rain-slick Interstate). --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "Andre Rousseau" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >A number of years back the VTR had a classic car insurance provider, and I >have insured my 2 street TR6's with that provider ever since. Angela >Anthony is the agent and I called her the other day about insuring my >recently purchased TR4 race car. I bought it in Ohio and it had a lapsed >registration there so I thought, why not, get it plates and I can drive it >around. We have a 5 year Antique car registration here in Texas that is >cheap. She is working up the deal and can even insure my other race car >that has no title if I am willing to apply for one. The policies are stated >value like the Hagerties but are underwritten by Infinity. She said they >won't do the race car but she had another provider. Doesn't cover you on >the track but if you want to drive on the street or worry about >theft.......You can call her at 908-757-8343. > NFI. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre Rousseau" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > >> I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was >> hoping to do the same. >> >> Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then >> drive home. >> >> The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the >> company knew about the car's use. >> >> A. >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 13:59:49 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:59:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <008A8244C5914A14A803E9A286544159@KasPC> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <008A8244C5914A14A803E9A286544159@KasPC> Message-ID: I get stopped several times a year because people accuse me for "driving with a race car on open roads" but after an inspection of the cars papers they let me go each time. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009 21:50 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Street Legal All except when the local law comes down and asks for your driving license, right? :-) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Steven Belfer'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >I run fully street legal. > With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a > welded diff. > It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 15 14:05:37 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices Message-ID: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new hat to go with it. http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm What are the best sources out there? Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 14:09:08 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:09:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] WG: Street Legal Message-ID: THIS is sick: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eOE9sjsV15w -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009 22:03 An: 'MadMarx' Betreff: RE: [Fot] Street Legal Chris you are a sick boy (with a welded diff. of all things) Craig PS: Have fun -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: 'Steven Belfer'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal I run fully street legal. With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a welded diff. It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 14:37:07 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:37:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Message-ID: No, you don't. the attachment parts screw onto an existing helmet. I'm surprised no one has developed a competing product at a competitive price. I know the core design is protected, but the patent would have to be pretty specific to be useful protection. On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a > new hat > to go with it. > > > > http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm > > > > What are the best sources out there? > > > > Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Labs0808 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 14:49:20 2009 From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:49:20 EST Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions Message-ID: _Safety Solutions_ (http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/) Here are some options ? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Jan 15 16:29:30 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:29:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use the Issac Device. Take a look at it also. SVRA ok with it? Todd Redmond hursday, January 15, 2009 4:50 pm Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions To: fot at autox.team.net > _Safety Solutions_ > (http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/) > > Here are some options ? > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in > just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6nut at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 16:33:20 2009 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:33:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> Randall wrote: > Last I heard, the costs were actually substantially higher for those > wearing helmets.Something about a funeral being cheaper than 20 years > in a hospital bed. > I have ridden motorcycles for the past 30 years (when I was young & daring, I raced them - but that's another story). Nowadays, whenever I ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. One of my co-workers, upon seeing me enter the building in my gear asked me if I was a "safety freak". I told him no, but that at my age, I heal slower so I need to dress appropriately for the activity. Hugh Barber '73 TR6 '05 Suzuki SV1000S From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:00:18 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011620090000.10417.496FCE1200065CD2000028B122135285739705029A0002030E0B01019B@comcast.net> I believe the R3 is more expensive and they require a body harness, it isn't secured with your belts. I wasn't impressed with the one I looked at. The Hutchins device is junk, it too has a harness and in a hard crash will tend to compress your spine. I thought I would be bothered by the HANS but I didn't know it was there after about six laps. I got the one with sliding tethers. I raced motocross and supercross until six years ago and a neck injury just about put me in a wheelchair. MX riders now have head restraints and they are getting pretty popular. I looked for a used HANS for a couple months but they are usually sold the same day or hour the ad prints. jim g -------------- Original message -------------- From: "BOB KRAMER" > I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, > but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the > things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is > price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and > demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the > market and prices should come down. > > I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is > some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have > thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers > and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should > cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how > much does carbon fiber and molds cost. > > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying > special pricing? > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; > Cc: "fot" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > > >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed > >off. > > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves > > me................Cheers Henry Morrison > > > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > > [Fot] > > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > > > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > > as > > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > > different > > than "life on the street". > > > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > > enforcement? > > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. > > > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > > most I > > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > > Luck. > > > > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 17:10:31 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:10:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Nowadays, whenever I > ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at an anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he replied "Being opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes the right to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all for that matter. Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so much as seat belts retrofitted From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 17:26:14 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:26:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: >> Nowadays, whenever I >> ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. > > Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at > an > anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he > replied "Being > opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" > > As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes > the right > to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all > for that > matter. > > Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact > protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. > > Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so > much as > seat belts retrofitted From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 17:47:10 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:47:10 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: I agree but it was Jill. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:52:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:52:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com><496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net><0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <5C57A10778014B6EB5265B6AF3B53B57@Bud> Woooohoo!...Go Billy Go! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Randall" Cc: "'fot'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken > away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power > doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for > all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > > Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, > flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie > that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you > have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both > with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. > > Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: > >>> Nowadays, whenever I >>> ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. >> >> Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at >> an >> anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he >> replied "Being >> opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" >> >> As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes >> the right >> to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all >> for that >> matter. >> >> Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact >> protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. >> >> Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so >> much as >> seat belts retrofitted > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 18:16:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:16:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> I've been trying to forget. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > I agree but it was Jill. > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes: > Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for > all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 18:43:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > I've been trying to forget. > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: Actually, it was Joan: Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 18:46:49 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:46:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I've been trying to forget. >> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > > Actually, it was Joan: > > Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as > President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her resignation on > December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the National Highway Traffic > Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter administration from 1977 to > 1981.[2] "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 18:49:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:49:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1050FF75-5A6D-43A0-A6FC-5116B833C0CA@bnj.com> ...What were we talking about? On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> I've been trying to forget. >>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >> >> Actually, it was Joan: >> >> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who >> served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced >> her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of >> the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the >> Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] > > "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. > > ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. > > :-) > > rml From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 18:55:38 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <35E37F77.77DD9995.00159EE9@cs.com> I dnt know, but I think Jill was a NADERITE. Were they sisters? >...What were we talking about? > > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>>> I've been trying to forget. >>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Actually, it was Joan: >>> >>> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who >>> served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced >>> her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of >>> the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the >>> Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] >> >> "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. >> >> ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. >> >> :-) >> >> rml >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:02:02 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:02:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116020232.8E98D18788F@autox.team.net> I personally applaud SVRA's decision. - Tony Drews At 09:27 AM 1/15/2009, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >Henry, > >With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since >you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you >agree with >our policies anyway. > >There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have >been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to >race with us >to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to >take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are >protected, >when technology is available to do so. > > > >Jack Woehrle >SVRA Technical Director >jwoesvra at aol.com >803-463-5388 >FAX 803-794-8747 >701 Center Street >West Columbia, SC 29169 > > >In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > >I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires >before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do >you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on >the street. If >all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been >required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, >leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I >wore. Adding neck >restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. > >Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars >racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > > > >**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:02:47 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:02:47 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Jill is listed as once heading the NTSB. Joan is listed as head of the NHTSA. WTF, I have just spent way too much time on such a nasty subject. THX Babcock! Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 8:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: I dnt know, but I think Jill was a NADERITE. Were they sisters? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 19:07:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> <1050FF75-5A6D-43A0-A6FC-5116B833C0CA@bnj.com> Message-ID: Since we're a bit off topic.....DO YOU KNOW..Lafong?..Carl LaFong!..Capital L...small a ..capital F..small o..small n...small g...... No! I don't know Carl Lafong..Capital L ..small a ..capital .F..small o..small n..small g...and if I did know him i wouldn't tell you!..now get out of here you #@$%^& W.C Fields...his great car movie was 'Road Hog'(different movie than the Lafong episode) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > ...What were we talking about? > > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>>> I've been trying to forget. >>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Actually, it was Joan: >>> >>> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as >>> President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her >>> resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the >>> National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter >>> administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] >> >> "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. >> >> ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. >> >> :-) >> >> rml > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:23:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:23:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Message-ID: <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> They added the posts to my fairly inexpensive G-Force full face helmet, so you don't need a new helmet if you've got a full face one. Mine's an SA-2000 so will probably become obsolete when the SA-2010's come out. The posts can then be moved to the new lid. - Tony At 03:05 PM 1/15/2009, Richard Taylor wrote: >Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new hat >to go with it. > > > > http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm > > > >What are the best sources out there? > > > >Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? > > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >196 >Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > >tel: >04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > >fax: (404) 223-1312 > >mobile: >04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Jan 15 19:25:22 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:25:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <20090116020232.8E98D18788F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I agree. Every day I wake up with a headache and stiff neck I regret not having one on in '96 when I hit the turn one wall at Road Atlanta. I would feel naked without one now. Mike I personally applaud SVRA's decision. - Tony Drews From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 19:26:18 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:26:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901151826g74dd6a67p93e1557472343f85@mail.gmail.com> For anyone considering getting a Hans,be sure to g et it with the sliding tethers. Otherwise you cannot turn your head to the side much at all. Found this to be very inconvenient when I went off track and literally had to turn the car to face the oncoming traffic to see when I could get back on -- fortunately this was at Portland and I was a ways off the track in the grass. The tethers let you turn. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > They added the posts to my fairly inexpensive G-Force full face helmet, so > you don't need a new helmet if you've got a full face one. Mine's an > SA-2000 so will probably become obsolete when the SA-2010's come out. The > posts can then be moved to the new lid. > > - Tony > > At 03:05 PM 1/15/2009, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new >> hat >> to go with it. >> >> >> >> http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm >> >> >> >> What are the best sources out there? >> >> >> >> Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? >> >> >> >> Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >> >> TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE >> >> > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >> t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >> 196 >> Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 >> >> tel: >> > http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >> 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >> >> fax: (404) 223-1312 >> >> mobile: >> > http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >> 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 >> >> www.taylor-architecture.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:40:47 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:40:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <20090116024109.0B11618763E@autox.team.net> With rope made of hemp, of course. - Tony At 06:26 PM 1/15/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken >away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power >doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for >all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > >Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, >flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie >that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you >have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both >with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. > >Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: > >>>Nowadays, whenever I >>>ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. >> >>Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at >>an >>anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he >>replied "Being >>opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" >> >>As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes >>the right >>to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all >>for that >>matter. >> >>Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact >>protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. >> >>Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so >>much as >>seat belts retrofitted >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 20:09:27 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> After last year's loss of drivers, it got me thinking about my personal safety on the track. I consider myself a safe, alert, vintage racer mostly concerned about being "collected" by another driver(s) mistake. I've had a few close calls, barely missed by or missing spinning cars or avoiding someone's overly aggressive move into a corner. Lots of luck but also being aware of other cars, who's driving them and track position. As a result, I recently had my rollbar extended to include side door and under dash protection plus installation of a new, low-back seat so I could wear a HANS Device which I'll order here shortly. Yes, the upgrade costs are not cheap but I know I'll feel a bit more comfortable out on the track especially when there are guest drivers I'm not familiar racing with or heaven forbid, the unexpected mechanical failure induced accident. My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are "highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications. The club preaches safety at every opportunity and its had a positive impact for the most part. I see an increasing number of club members with HANS devices, a trend I expect to see continue. Gary 62 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 20:41:10 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:41:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> References: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> By the way, you tolerate the safety equipment as a racer (I'd certainly be more comfortable in a tee shirt!), but you WEAR it for your loved ones. Same reason you ensure your roll bar is 2" over your head, you have roll bar accoutrements like Gary describes, you have good properly mounted belts, etc. Thought for the day... - Tony At 09:09 PM 1/15/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >After last year's loss of drivers, it got me thinking about my personal >safety on the track. I consider myself a safe, alert, vintage racer mostly >concerned about being "collected" by another driver(s) mistake. I've had a >few close calls, barely missed by or missing spinning cars or avoiding >someone's overly aggressive move into a corner. Lots of luck but also being >aware of other cars, who's driving them and track position. As a result, I >recently had my rollbar extended to include side door and under dash >protection plus installation of a new, low-back seat so I could wear a HANS >Device which I'll order here shortly. Yes, the upgrade costs are not cheap >but I know I'll feel a bit more comfortable out on the track especially when >there are guest drivers I'm not familiar racing with or heaven forbid, the >unexpected mechanical failure induced accident. > > > >My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are >"highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications. The club >preaches safety at every opportunity and its had a positive impact for the >most part. I see an increasing number of club members with HANS devices, a >trend I expect to see continue. > > > >Gary > > > >62 TR4 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Jan 16 07:17:30 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HNR options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a spreadsheet from another forum that compares various HNR systems. http://www.am-rennsport.com/HNR.html I've been using a Hutchinson Device for 3 years but since it's not SFI 38.1 compliant I guess it's time to upgrade. I'm thinking of the new Defender since it has better support in side collisions but I need to try one on first. mike From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Jan 16 08:29:26 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> References: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I don't debate the usefulness of the HANS device. It's a great item, and I should have one and eventually probably will. That said, my car, and probably many of yours is unsafe at any speed and putting on all the upgrades suggested here would take me out for several seasons probably not just a race, in the meantime my prostate might explode and I would have missed a great deal of fun. "My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are>"highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications." I have sat through a host of meetings with the insurance companies discussing rates and other insurance issues. They insure the "safest" club at the same rate that the insure a club that doesn't require roll bars. When 9/11 happened vintage racing insurance rates increased by 30 percent to help pay for that. When someone dies at a vintage event, the rates stay fairly flat. Two pepole were killed at a vintage race a few years ago when their car flipped during the lunch time touring session. They were wearing neither the HANS device nor a roll bar. It would make sense to me to ban these activities altogether before requiring drivers to wear the HANS device. But that's the way we feed new people the vintage racing bug. I've witnessed lots of incidents of wrecks with guys in their street cars at driver's schools where they were just f'ing lucky. I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment on, he thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the guy who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. The statistics do certainly support this assertion as the clubs with the fewest incidents seem to be those with less restrictive safety rules. What am I up to 15 cents now?..................................Cheers Henry Morrison From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Jan 16 12:07:27 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>> Henry Morrison wrote: I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment on, he thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the guy who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give one to a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how minor, will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person that is told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will not be operated in the same fashion. In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a vehicle on the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything that can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do that. They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip the apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their way, and not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely safe world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co p=mss&ei=UTF-8 Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the sport, and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying not to race, and they are gone. Eat right, exercise, die anyway. Bill ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGYPzDYUwcmKJuda1YrpsGjTVpOPyE6AKnMfaS4aG1sVs/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 12:20:23 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:20:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. ~Steve From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 12:39:08 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:39:08 -1000 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <92B2FE46-4ADA-4C4C-9326-4ECF55E0AD30@bnj.com> That's an interesting perspective, and certainly logical. The only thing that doesn't bear up in my experience (which is certainly subjective, and unsupported by statistics available to me) is that the majority of nasty accidents seem to happen in the mid pack at vintage races. And Vintage cars generally don't have anything leading edge in their safety equipment. A mild steel rollcage constructed like those of the late 60's, shoulder belts, fire suit, a good helmet and maybe a HANs device. I'm sure you don't think that's anything like what saves lives in F1, or Indycars, or Nascar, or drag racing, or virtually any modern race car. Sure, the stuff isn't cheap, but by and large it's a long-term investment. Anyone that thinks this fairly minimal level of protection makes them invulnerable has a few screws loose to begin with. Or has never been in a serious racing accident in a vintage car and come away lucky--because that's really all it is. Nothing in my car or on my body saved me from being killed by that Corvette that T-boned me at Watkins Glen. Just luck. Didn't hit the wall until most of the speed had been scrubbed off. Didn't roll over while he was pushing me sideways. Just luck. The "keeps new people away from the sport" argument plays equally well with not letting people race a clapped out H prod rabbit in Vintage. I don't think the idea of vintage racing is to have the cheapest entry point available in racing. I think that's karts. On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: >>>> Henry Morrison wrote: > I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment > on, he > thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by > the > guy > who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. > > I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS > program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give > one to > a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how > minor, > will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person > that is > told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will > protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will > not be > operated in the same fashion. > > In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a > vehicle on > the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to > someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment > standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything > that > can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are > there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise > restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do > that. > They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip > the > apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They > know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is > that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their > way, and > not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely > safe > world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co > p=mss&ei=UTF-8 > > Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the > sport, > and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual > budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying > not > to race, and they are gone. > > Eat right, exercise, die anyway. > Bill From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:04:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <535AFE9FD174486EB3A6ED035492DF9F@Bud> looks like we're back to that 'Gray' area again...I guess it's all about respecting the other driver..not taking chances that are truly 'chances', etc...but then it can get kind of boring...It's very difficult to find a venue where vintage cars can really be driven to the limit....I've had experiences where I had to stay behind a slow car for waaay too long, because I could tell that the guy did not have a clue that I was there...I began a pass a couple of times, and he was ready to turn right into me..I backed off and resigned myself to the fact....The GOOD NEWS is...CSRG banned him PERMANENTLY..he had been a problem for quite some time...He wasn't Wild...just horribly inatentive....CSRG banned another guy 3 years ago..he was not wild either...he would do things like..point to the left...I passed him on the left, he ran me completely off the track...Why?..he was pointing to where he was going to go..no joke..A nice guy,,but his racing days had reached their limit...i'm pleased to say that CSRG will Not let just anyone race...We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device >>>> Henry Morrison wrote: > I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment > on, he > thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the > guy > who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. > > I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS > program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give one to > a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how minor, > will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person that is > told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will > protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will not be > operated in the same fashion. > > In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a vehicle on > the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to > someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment > standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything that > can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are > there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise > restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do that. > They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip the > apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They > know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is > that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their way, and > not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely safe > world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co > p=mss&ei=UTF-8 > > Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the sport, > and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual > budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying not > to race, and they are gone. > > Eat right, exercise, die anyway. > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGYPzDYUwcmKJuda1YrpsGjTVpOPyE6AKnMfaS4aG1sVs/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:07:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. > > To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any > chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car > has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one > running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety > equipment I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a > while. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Jan 16 13:14:05 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:05 EST Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild > I could follow the logic had you said, "We realize that SLOW can be as/more dangerous than FAST." But "WILD" adds another dimension. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From Billbab at mac.com Fri Jan 16 13:16:43 2009 From: Billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:16:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: HANS Device References: <92B2FE46-4ADA-4C4C-9326-4ECF55E0AD30@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1569CDFF-5163-4D80-A79E-AF78AA015F6C@mac.com> Not sure why, but this never came through Begin forwarded message: > From: Bill Babcock > Date: January 16, 2009 9:39:08 AM HST > To: William G Rosenbach > Cc: dos_gusanos at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > That's an interesting perspective, and certainly logical. The only > thing that doesn't bear up in my experience (which is certainly > subjective, and unsupported by statistics available to me) is that > the majority of nasty accidents seem to happen in the mid pack at > vintage races. And Vintage cars generally don't have anything > leading edge in their safety equipment. A mild steel rollcage > constructed like those of the late 60's, shoulder belts, fire suit, > a good helmet and maybe a HANs device. I'm sure you don't think > that's anything like what saves lives in F1, or Indycars, or Nascar, > or drag racing, or virtually any modern race car. > > Sure, the stuff isn't cheap, but by and large it's a long-term > investment. Anyone that thinks this fairly minimal level of > protection makes them invulnerable has a few screws loose to begin > with. Or has never been in a serious racing accident in a vintage > car and come away lucky--because that's really all it is. Nothing in > my car or on my body saved me from being killed by that Corvette > that T-boned me at Watkins Glen. Just luck. Didn't hit the wall > until most of the speed had been scrubbed off. Didn't roll over > while he was pushing me sideways. Just luck. > > The "keeps new people away from the sport" argument plays equally > well with not letting people race a clapped out H prod rabbit in > Vintage. I don't think the idea of vintage racing is to have the > cheapest entry point available in racing. I think that's karts. > > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > >>>>> Henry Morrison wrote: >> I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety >> equipment >> on, he >> thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by >> the >> guy >> who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. >> >> I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS >> program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give >> one to >> a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how >> minor, >> will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person >> that is >> told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will >> protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will >> not be From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 16 13:20:54 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> Message-ID: <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> This is really good stuff. As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into you... Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. A. 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >> >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:31:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:31:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: Message-ID: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; dos_gusanos at msn.com ; wgrosenbach at juno.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild I could follow the logic had you said, "We realize that SLOW can be as/more dangerous than FAST." But "WILD" adds another dimension. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:38:30 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:38:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com><179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net><8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07EEDB3F8542429681F1D4C87636BF5C@Bud> If you are a new driver i recommend that you get the best and all of the safety stuff available...There's kind of a different mindset with those of us who have been doing this all of our lives...When I started in the 60's, I had all of the latest safety stuff....The more safety stuff you have..the more you can concentrate on your driving....this goes for car prep too...You do not want..in the back of your mind...a gnawing gremlin reminding you that you didn't fix something properly....remember..the cars are strained to their tensil limit.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > This is really good stuff. > > As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My > take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to > the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents > recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and > stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into > you... > > Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. > > A. > > > 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : >> I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook >> quite a >> bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn >> excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than >> ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" >> >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device >> >> >>> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >>> >>> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >>> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my >>> car >>> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little >>> one >>> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety >>> equipment >>> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >>> >>> ~Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Jan 16 14:47:42 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:47:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? Message-ID: I think most of us can. Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? Mike From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Jan 16 14:54:23 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:54:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: $1000. Just about the price of one vintage race weekend. I didn't mind giving up one race in the beginning so I could race a lot more down the road. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:21 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device This is really good stuff. As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into you... Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. A. 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >> >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 15:14:24 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group > buying special pricing? > Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jan 16 15:38:43 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:38:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And tires were skinny and drivers were fat... HAHA! Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Munson To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Remember When? I think most of us can. Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? Mike _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 16 15:44:48 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:44:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B77D0CD04EA4AC3BE0C63AF5DCBBEEA@KasPC> I don't think so. I was 6'4" tall and weighed a solid 170 pounds soaking wet. I only remember one fat guy and he was dead slow in his Alfa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: ; Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Remember When? > And tires were skinny and drivers were fat... > > > HAHA! > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Munson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] Remember When? > > > I think most of us can. > > > > Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? > > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 16:03:43 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Andre, good point. The HANS sport will run around $700 and like Lunker said, probably no discount available. But that is cheap insurance. I considered one when I first started a couple years ago; bought one mid-August last year after Uncle Jack's accident and used it at he Glen for the first time. Feel more secure with it and the sliding tethers give you some movement for bretter visibility. I'll camp out at the track to save some bucks, actually enjoy it, but don't like to scrimp on safety items. By the way, get that car and join the fun! Stay warm, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > This is really good stuff. > > As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My > take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to > the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents > recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and > stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into > you... > > Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. > > A. > > > 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > > > To: "FOT" > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > > > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. > >> > >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any > >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car > >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one > >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment > >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. > >> > >> ~Steve > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 16:20:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:20:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux pas. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 16 16:39:51 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:39:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: What I was suggesting was that many of our vintage racing organizations have a lot of buying power, and can go straight to the manufacturer and twist their arms. I probably would have held back the mandatory requirement as a bargaining chip i.e. we'll go mandatory if you give our members XX% off. The cynical side of me thinks that there is also plenty of room for dollars to go the coffers of the clubs in exchange for a mandatory requirement. Then again that might be illegal too. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: "fot Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: >> >> Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying >> special pricing? >> > Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I > know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and any > dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one said he > could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 16:42:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:42:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32584D82-C7B4-4076-8195-09294A4C73A0@bnj.com> I doubt it, not if they are open about it. Probably wouldn't have to do that to gain from the transaction though. Being able to buy a HANs device for $200 off would be a powerful incentive to pay $50 to join a club. On Jan 16, 2009, at 1:39 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > What I was suggesting was that many of our vintage racing > organizations have a lot of buying power, and can go straight to the > manufacturer and twist their arms. I probably would have held back > the mandatory requirement as a bargaining chip i.e. we'll go > mandatory if you give our members XX% off. The cynical side of me > thinks that there is also plenty of room for dollars to go the > coffers of the clubs in exchange for a mandatory requirement. Then > again that might be illegal too. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > > To: "BOB KRAMER" > Cc: "fot Triumph" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > >> >> On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group >>> buying special pricing? >>> >> Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" >> I know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer >> and any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although >> one said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. >> >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 17:15:40 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <017401c97838$bb7c0a60$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Bill, good point, but why are gasoline prices always the same at the various different retailers? When one goes up a dime a gallon, they all go up a dime a gallon. (Yeah, I know, the oil companies operate under their own set of rules). Like the punchline for the old joke about the dog: "Just 'cause he can!" Later, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" Cc: "Andre Rousseau" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a minimum > price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the retailer might be > lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing to be a criminal > issue, not just some little business faux pas. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 16:46:01 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <06894F69-A80C-4552-93D1-4EBD68D94285@earthlink.net> Love my Mac but check out Apple for the same business practices. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a > minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the > retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing > to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux > pas._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 16:46:01 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <06894F69-A80C-4552-93D1-4EBD68D94285@earthlink.net> Love my Mac but check out Apple for the same business practices. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a > minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the > retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing > to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux > pas._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Jan 16 17:35:42 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There can't be $300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry Morrison> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:24 -0700> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote:> >> > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group > > buying special pricing?> >> Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I > know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and > any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one > said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"].> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 16 19:02:58 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> References: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> Message-ID: <8CB465EDACB34F4-A00-27@WEBMAIL-DG15.sim.aol.com> <<< I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' ... Racer Bud Absolutely! 11/10ths. Works for me. Bill From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:09:47 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> <8CB465EDACB34F4-A00-27@WEBMAIL-DG15.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <416AE1B0D95249F19F380E5FF75C3DBD@Bud> You bet Bill..there's nothing like this racing Family Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > <<< I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' ... > Racer Bud > > Absolutely! 11/10ths. Works for me. > > Bill From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jan 16 20:18:06 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... - Tony D At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There can't be >$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >Morrison From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:23:51 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:23:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9A56CB3B49D0405EB2B3A783365CBDF5@Bud> I bought my transponder from CSRG in 2001 or 2002..The club got a deal by buying a batch...I paid about 225-250..CSRG does not require transponders, but if a race car does not have one, he simply gets no recorded times , and the results show that racer at the back . with the rest of the 'Un'electronicites'......more to follow Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in > on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back > in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... > > - Tony D > > At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There >>can't be >>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:37:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:37:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> When i began racing..in the late 1960s...we operated on an honor system.....Our pit crews took our lap times with stop watches..and turned those times into the SCCA people...That made up the grid...If a guy lied...It all came out in the wash...It did not matter what the fastest lap time was in the race...It was..Who won the race......I would like this stuff to be TOTALLY PERIOD CORRECT...We don't need any Electronic stuff......In CSRG we have lots of racers who race without transponders....Let's Just Race! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in > on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back > in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... > > - Tony D > > At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There >>can't be >>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jan 16 21:11:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:11:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders In-Reply-To: <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> Message-ID: <20090117041126.19B971878BB@autox.team.net> I was old enough to work the SCCA timing stand in the 70's. Worked my way up to 3 or 4 cars simultaneously, analog watches with the split hand, really wished hard for a calculator that would do "time math" (lessee, that's carry the 6?). Hard work (especially lap 1 when they are all bunched), hard to not make mistakes, lots of workers needed. Totally eliminated by transponders and a computer with the right software. There are now races where I may have no pit crew so I'd have to time the car WHILE DRIVING if we went back to the honor system. I agree - Lets just race! :) - Tony D At 09:37 PM 1/16/2009, RACER BUD wrote: >When i began racing..in the late 1960s...we operated on an honor >system.....Our pit crews took our lap times with stop watches..and >turned those times into the SCCA people...That made up the grid...If >a guy lied...It all came out in the wash...It did not matter what >the fastest lap time was in the race...It was..Who won the >race......I would like this stuff to be TOTALLY PERIOD CORRECT...We >don't need any Electronic stuff......In CSRG we have lots of racers >who race without transponders....Let's Just Race! >Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > > >>Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I >>got in on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like >>$240. This was back in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... >> >>- Tony D >> >>At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB >>>transponders. There can't be >>>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>>Morrison >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 17 08:35:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? Message-ID: <000601c978b9$3e6db5b0$6501a8c0@HP> cars were driven to the track with the family, disassembled (windshield and passenger seat) and prepped in the parking lot, safety equipment was an aircraft lap belt and an open face helmet and $1000 (todays weekend cost) was 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the car... and I'll bet they had every bit as much fun... From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 17 09:42:57 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] new rules help Message-ID: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Lets assume that big brother is once again going to interfere in our lives and there is nothing we can do about it.... off soap box now.... At one point in these notes I saw something about a collar that could be worn with a high or low back seat... I know nothing about these things other than that I have been trying (financially) to get back on track for two years now, and its another thousand or so out of my pocket. If somehow I come up with the money, what do I need to know about these things... my seat is a high plastic seat, do I need to replace the seat also? I need (now) to replace belts every two years (the last two years havent even seen a race on mine) ... will the hans device turn into the same thing? Someone said the mounts can be put on an existing helmet... by whom?, at what cost and time frame? Also it was said get sliding tethers (sounded like a good idea) ... any other input? What do the tethers hook to and how? roll bar? seat? seat belts? ??? modifications to the car? I'm totally in the dark here. I've found myself having less fun at the track than I used to, as it is ... IF and its a big IF I try to get back this year, how do I do this without additional heartache? Also, I've heard that there is a good lumbar support unit being made for race seats... anyone know anything about it ... recent back problems will probably warrent this so I can sit in the car comfortably... Any help appreciated.. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 09:59:16 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:59:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? References: <000601c978b9$3e6db5b0$6501a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <69CE033B46F04D138BB2F66BDFA7FDCF@Bud> My first racecar was a fully prepared..nice looking and fast Fprod MGA which I paid 800.00 for in 1968 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Remember When? > cars were driven to the track with the family, disassembled (windshield > and > passenger seat) and prepped in the parking lot, safety equipment was an > aircraft lap belt and an open face helmet and $1000 (todays weekend cost) > was > 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the car... and I'll bet they had every bit as much > fun... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 17 10:02:18 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:02:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] new rules help In-Reply-To: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5BAD3246-DEAF-4D60-8DE1-6B7B26DFDEC2@bnj.com> First, most vintage clubs do NOT require a HANS device, they just recommend it. SVRA is the first I've heard of that is even considering a requirement. If you get one, it won't interfere with your seat. My seat is also high-backed and I don't notice any interference. You can put the mounts on yourself, though most people who sell HANS have been through training to install the mounts. It takes about 15 minutes to do, if you buy one trackside (as I did) the vendor can usually do it while you wait or while you watch a race. I think all the new HANS have sliding tethers. Guys who bought early can get them modified for the cost of a new set of straps (as I recall, about $20 ) The tethers hook to your helmet, the Hans device goes behind your head and over your shoulders, fastened in place by your seat belts. No modifications necessary. Best lumbar support I've found you make yourself. Get some TAP two part foam and a couple of garbage bags. Mix up a cup each of foam and hardener, dump it in the bag, tape the bag to the top of the back of your seat so the bag reaches to the bottom of the seat. Sit down and wait for the foam to swell and then harden. You can use it as is or cover it with duct tape. Be careful not to let the foam escape the bag--messy stuff. I double bag and use smaller amounts of foam in little steps and I still have sticky stuff on my rear firewall. All the best Tom, I hope everything works out for you and you start having a great time a the track again. On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:42 AM, tom strange wrote: > Okay, > Lets assume that big brother is once again going to interfere in > our lives > and there is nothing we can do about it.... off soap box now.... > At one point in these notes I saw something about a collar that > could be > worn with a high or low back seat... > I know nothing about these things other than that I have been trying > (financially) to get back on track for two years now, and its > another thousand > or so out of my pocket. > If somehow I come up with the money, what do I need to know about > these > things... my seat is a high plastic seat, do I need to replace the > seat > also? I need (now) to replace belts every two years (the last two > years > havent even seen a race on mine) ... will the hans device turn into > the same > thing? > Someone said the mounts can be put on an existing helmet... by > whom?, at > what cost and time frame? > Also it was said get sliding tethers (sounded like a good idea) ... > any > other input? > What do the tethers hook to and how? roll bar? seat? seat > belts? ??? > modifications to the car? > I'm totally in the dark here. I've found myself having less fun at > the > track than I used to, as it is ... IF and its a big IF I try to get > back this > year, how do I do this without additional heartache? > > Also, I've heard that there is a good lumbar support unit being > made for > race seats... anyone know anything about it ... recent back problems > will > probably warrent this so I can sit in the car comfortably... > > Any help appreciated.. > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From stlnyc at msn.com Sat Jan 17 18:44:47 2009 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:44:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Calling John Lye Message-ID: John- Please contact me off list. Fred Hodgson From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jan 18 20:38:49 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] alloy drive shaft Message-ID: <8CB47FE9333789C-104-1E84@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Amici Spit/GT6 Racers, Question, anyone running an aluminum drive shaft, if so where did you have it made? Sincerely, Bob Totten '64 Spit GT autocrosser '63 Spit street From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 09:17:29 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:17:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: Steve, Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking about. I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I tow a light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). The bike provides transportation after the car has gone through its conversion. Some of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. It takes a couple of hours to unload the bike, unhook the trailer, remove the windshield, wipers, change tires and crank that cantankerous Triple. Not much time difference from the conventional set-up. But it's the compromise on the track that is the challenge. I faithfully shift at 5K; not because I want to but because I also need to drive home. The car still has lights, turn signals, horn, roll-up windows and heater; read heavy. The car also has a mild cam, intermediate compression and the tall rear-end w/OD. The engine dyno'd 125 hp at the flywheel with an in-line pickle muffler. A straight-pipe @ 5K showed < 1hp gain; a reasonable price to pay for no-roar hassle. Consequently racing is one continuous study of inertia control. If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin Commander with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. On the brighter side, in the last 28 races I've had but one DNF. VIR to Atlanta, on-the-hook, costs about the same as a Hans Device. AAA paid 1/3 of it. In fine, driving your car to the race ain't for everybody. If you're a fearless, steely eyed, fire-in-the-belly racer, forget it. But if you can find satisfaction back there in the pack squeezing everything that can be squeezed out of the car you've built, no matter how imperfectly, it's an option. But you will study more than your share of taillights and you will forever wonder what the hell you were thinking about. Richard Taylor To: Steven Belfer; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal Compromises on both sides of course. I plan to do this with the AMBRO. It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to have the choice. Joe >Are any of your race cars street legal? > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >experiences or recommendations? > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >idea for a race car > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped >TR3. > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:06:32 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR3-VINTAGE-RACE-CAR-SCCA_W0QQitemZ33 0301822757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item NFI Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:08:31 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is item 330301822757 Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: January 19, 2009 12:07 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR3-VINTAGE-RACE-CAR-SCCA_W0QQitemZ33 0301822757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item NFI Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 10:10:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:10:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <0CA0461A-F7D8-4C88-8C25-559B487DEC63@bnj.com> Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Steve, > > Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the > symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking > about. > > I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I > tow a > light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). > The bike > provides transportation after the car has gone through its > conversion. Some > of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 19 10:16:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:16:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <0CA0461A-F7D8-4C88-8C25-559B487DEC63@bnj.com> Message-ID: <66FF690D62674572867E2FC54679EE63@Bud> not in a Triumph I hope...Maybe a Citroen or a Facel Vega Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Richard Taylor" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take > transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the >> symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking >> about. >> >> I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I >> tow a >> light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). >> The bike >> provides transportation after the car has gone through its >> conversion. Some >> of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:18:07 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <66FF690D62674572867E2FC54679EE63@Bud> Message-ID: Or maybe a Muntz Jet... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 19, 2009 12:17 PM To: Bill Babcock; Richard Taylor Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal not in a Triumph I hope...Maybe a Citroen or a Facel Vega Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Richard Taylor" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take > transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the >> symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking >> about. >> >> I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I >> tow a >> light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). >> The bike >> provides transportation after the car has gone through its >> conversion. Some >> of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 11:36:36 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. That and the one wheel bunny hop down the runway made quite a impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing his stuff? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 19 11:41:03 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:41:03 EST Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jan 19 11:47:28 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:47:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from accumulating and restricting air flow. The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the lens clear is a possibility. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:41 AM To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; tarch at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 11:51:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:51:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <817A75F7-7B98-4CAA-8EC3-DE191A6BF4EC@bnj.com> Bob Hoover is still alive I think, but he got his US ticket pulled in the '90's by some punks at the FAA who were trying to push a mandatory retirement age issue unrelated to medical fitness. He did finally get it back, but I doubt he does much flying now, he has to be pushing 90. I saw him fly P51's and commuter planes in airshows. Amazing control. A bona fide all american hero. Buddy of Chuck Yeager, broke out of WWII german prison camp, stole a plane and made it to the Netherlands. There must be a biography of him somewhere. If not, there darned sure should be. What a life!! On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, > Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > > >> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >> > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both > engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. > > Bill (Damdinger) From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Jan 19 11:59:23 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> Message-ID: <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. > >Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >accumulating and restricting air flow. > >The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >lens clear is a possibility. > >Joe C. The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. j -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 12:08:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:08:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> Message-ID: <2F739B54-AD01-4587-AC40-B267A528166B@bnj.com> Actually big turbofan engines can usually digest birds quite nicely, The first stage fan blends them into a nice paste and slings them to the outside of the fan disk and out the bypass ports. It takes a lot of birds to have some get into the compressor blades, and even then they are goo. It's just that if you get enough goo it overwhelms the engine. Must have been a lot of geese. There isn't any practical way to screen a turbofan, the air intake rate at take off is ginormous. Air velocity at the entry point of the fan is 10,000 meters/sec or more. Exit velocity of a GE turbofan is 115-130,000 meters/sec. On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have > figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. > > Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris > from > accumulating and restricting air flow. > > The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to > keep the > lens clear is a possibility. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:41 AM > To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; tarch at bellsouth.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, > Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > > >> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >> > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both > engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > ************** > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jan 19 12:10:24 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:10:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: f=1/2mv^2 Mass of bird = 5kilos Velocity = 300km/hr f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J which is 53,776 Calories 165951 ft pounds force 213 BTU's Alot any way you slice it. Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level physics. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: > >> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >> >> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >> accumulating and restricting air flow. >> >> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >> lens clear is a possibility. >> >> Joe C. >> > > The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge > windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved > fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between > destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound > bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. > > j > > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 12:14:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:14:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <97EA90E0-B052-4AC1-9CBF-B86492B1CD6E@bnj.com> By the time they get into the shroud they're probably going faster, a lot of acceleration in that last few feet. I wonder what's going through the goose's mind at that moment. Reminds me of this joke: What's the last thing going through a junebug's brain when he hits your face shield? His ass. On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:10 AM, robert bownes wrote: > f=1/2mv^2 > > Mass of bird = 5kilos > Velocity = 300km/hr > > f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J > > which is > 53,776 Calories > 165951 ft pounds force > 213 BTU's > > > Alot any way you slice it. > > > Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A > level > physics. > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall > wrote: > >> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would >>> have >>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>> >>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep >>> debris from >>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>> >>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to >>> keep the >>> lens clear is a possibility. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >> >> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex >> revolved >> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference >> between >> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a >> 10 pound >> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run >> the math. >> >> j >> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 12:32:58 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium><0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert bownes Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM To: J.C. Hassall; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal f=1/2mv^2 Mass of bird = 5kilos Velocity = 300km/hr f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J which is 53,776 Calories 165951 ft pounds force 213 BTU's Alot any way you slice it. Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level physics. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: > >> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >> >> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >> accumulating and restricting air flow. >> >> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >> lens clear is a possibility. >> >> Joe C. >> > > The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge > windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved > fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between > destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound > bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. > > j > > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 16:37:52 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <52D0C8B6.20C86368.00159EE9@cs.com> Hoover went to Australia and got his license so he could continue to fly airshows. Age is an arbitary benchmark for making policy. Wiry little shit with eyes like an eagle. kinda like Yeager. These guys are in a category by himself/ age doesnt seem to have much to do with it. >Bob Hoover is still alive I think, but he got his US ticket pulled in >the '90's by some punks at the FAA who were trying to push a mandatory >retirement age issue unrelated to medical fitness. He did finally get >it back, but I doubt he does much flying now, he has to be pushing 90. >I saw him fly P51's and commuter planes in airshows. Amazing control. >A bona fide all american hero. Buddy of Chuck Yeager, broke out of >WWII german prison camp, stole a plane and made it to the Netherlands. >There must be a biography of him somewhere. If not, there darned sure >should be. What a life!! > >On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, >> Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: >> >> >>> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >>> >> That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both >> engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Jan 19 17:09:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:09:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Message-ID: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's >Hallett 1982 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jan 19 19:00:14 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:00:14 EST Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Message-ID: Who's in the #72 TR6 that flashes by? I recognize the livery... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Jan 19 19:02:37 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:02:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint scheme. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's >Hallett 1982 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Jan 19 19:10:39 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:10:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium><0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> Message-ID: <4975329F.3030502@verizon.net> It's not just ingestion into the engines that make bird strikes dangerous. Years ago I worked on the B-1B program and we had a ship go down in Colorado on a low level training mission. A pelican, that's right a pelican in Colorado, struck the joint between the engine nacelle and the wing, penetrated the nacelle and took out fuel and hydraulic lines. The result was fire, loss of thrust and control authority. All of this at 500mph and about 500ft. The four crewman ejected safely but there were two instructor/observers on board in jump seats. They didn't have time to get out. The vulnerable area the bird hit was only about 4 inches high and covered by a thin aerodynamic fairing. A true case of a golden BB. As a result there was a mod implemented where they put a rigid deflector behind the aerodynamic fairing. Richard Taylor wrote: > I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the > velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robert bownes > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM > To: J.C. Hassall; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > f=1/2mv^2 > > Mass of bird = 5kilos > Velocity = 300km/hr > > f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J > > which is > 53,776 Calories > 165951 ft pounds force > 213 BTU's > > > Alot any way you slice it. > > > Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level > physics. > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall > wrote: > > >> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >> >> >>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>> >>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>> >>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >>> lens clear is a possibility. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >>> >> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved >> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between >> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound >> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the >> > math. > >> j >> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:07:59 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bird Avoidance Systems Message-ID: <6D04919F.0398B7D4.00159EE9@cs.com> As you might expect, the military has conducted extensive studies on BIRD AVOIDANCE in flight operations. One of your FOT has been involved in those studies, with an office in the Air Force Academy. Those studies are easily justified when compared to the cost of equipment and pilot training. Joe >It's not just ingestion into the engines that make bird strikes >dangerous. Years ago I worked on the B-1B program and we had a ship go >down in Colorado on a low level training mission. A pelican, that's >right a pelican in Colorado, struck the joint between the engine nacelle >and the wing, penetrated the nacelle and took out fuel and hydraulic >lines. The result was fire, loss of thrust and control authority. All of >this at 500mph and about 500ft. The four crewman ejected safely but >there were two instructor/observers on board in jump seats. They didn't >have time to get out. The vulnerable area the bird hit was only about 4 >inches high and covered by a thin aerodynamic fairing. A true case of a >golden BB. As a result there was a mod implemented where they put a >rigid deflector behind the aerodynamic fairing. > >Richard Taylor wrote: >> I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the >> velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of robert bownes >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM >> To: J.C. Hassall; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >> >> f=1/2mv^2 >> >> Mass of bird = 5kilos >> Velocity = 300km/hr >> >> f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J >> >> which is >> 53,776 Calories >> 165951 ft pounds force >> 213 BTU's >> >> >> Alot any way you slice it. >> >> >> Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level >> physics. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall >> wrote: >> >> >>> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >>>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>>> >>>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >>>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>>> >>>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >>>> lens clear is a possibility. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> >>>> >>> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >>> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved >>> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between >>> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound >>> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the >>> >> math. >> >>> j >>> >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. Hassall >>> Blacksburg VA >>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:14:25 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER Message-ID: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> What is the name of the company in California? Thanks, Joe From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Jan 19 20:28:59 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:28:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: http://www.rockerarms.com/ Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:14 PM To: koblinger at verizon.net Cc: "'FOT'" Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER What is the name of the company in California? Thanks, Joe Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. 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From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jan 19 20:33:51 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:33:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: > I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint > scheme. Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) > Mike rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Jan 19 21:11:53 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 References: Message-ID: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a picture and blurb. http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has asked me to check on a possible FOT event. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: > >> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >> scheme. > > Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) > >> Mike > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 19 21:55:42 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:55:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes, I remember seeing him in his yellow P-51 in Idaho Falls....................................Henry Morrison> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700> To: tarch at bellsouth.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal> > On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:> > >> > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander> > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture.> > That and the one wheel bunny hop down the runway made quite a > impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing his stuff?> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Jan 19 22:13:14 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:13:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49755D6A.6080703@dfn.com> dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: > Yes, I remember seeing him in his yellow P-51 in Idaho > No longer. His license was revoked because of health reasons. He appealed, and eventually got it back, but, by that time, the damage had been done--couldn't get insurance--he is, after all, now 86. The Shrike Aero Commander he flew in air shows is now at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover Last time I saw him fly was 1993. Cheers. > Falls....................................Henry Morrison> From: > Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700> To: > tarch at bellsouth.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal> > >> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:> > >> > If you ever saw >> > Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander> > with both > engines feathered, you'll get the picture.> > That and the one wheel bunny hop > down the runway made quite a > impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing > his stuff?> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> > -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From VANDECARR at aol.com Tue Jan 20 08:39:08 2009 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:39:08 EST Subject: [Fot] alloy drive shaft Message-ID: I had an aluminum driveshaft made for my V8 powered Triumph from Inland Driveshafts (http://www.iedls.com/driveshafts.html). At the time I was running the Triumph Dif, I sent them the TR flange and they made a driveshaft flange that was a perfect fit. After 1 season I put a race motor in and changed to a BMW dif. Kept the drivedshaft and just had them make a new flange. Price was reasonable and the best thing is that it comes with HD u-joints. I have been putting about 400 hp and almost 400 ftlbs of torque to it for over 4 years and no problems. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jan 20 08:41:41 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:41:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Does anyone know of a non-roller rocker arm for a TR6 which is stock appearing and will give a higher ratio than the stock rocker arm. Seems to me I heard of one somewhere once. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER > Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: > > http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm > > Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. > > mjb. > > http://www.dimebank.com/monster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jan 20 14:08:44 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:08:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 References: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- Midwest Division driver. He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. PLN beat Art Pasmas of Denver, Colo., to win GT1 and 1st o/a by 5.87 seconds, and set a new GT1 track record of 1:22.70 (that record today is down to 1:15.5) --Rocky Entriken (MiDiv Pointskeeper) ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a > picture and blurb. > > http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ > > Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has asked > me to check on a possible FOT event. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Lang" > To: "Mike Munson" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > > >> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: >> >>> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >>> scheme. >> >> Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) >> >>> Mike From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 20 14:18:11 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> References: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> Message-ID: Might have been Dennis not Jim Ray, but it was still my original car. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "BOB KRAMER" ; "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- > Midwest Division driver. > > He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. > > PLN beat Art Pasmas of Denver, Colo., to win GT1 and 1st o/a by 5.87 > seconds, and set a new GT1 track record of 1:22.70 (that record today is > down to 1:15.5) > > --Rocky Entriken (MiDiv Pointskeeper) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > > >> That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a >> picture and blurb. >> >> http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ >> >> Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has >> asked me to check on a possible FOT event. >> >> Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Lang" >> To: "Mike Munson" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 >> >> >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >>>> scheme. >>> >>> Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) >>> >>>> Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 20 14:36:42 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:36:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hallett 1982 Message-ID: **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=D ecemailfooterNO62) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:16:53 EST Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 To: rocky at spitfire4.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 01/20/2009 3:09:31 PM Central Standard Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: > Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- Midwest > > Division driver. > > He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. > Denny still races some vintage. I see him, now and again, at VSCDA events in a very fast Lotus VII. His dad, Pop Wilson, was an early TRIUMPH dealer, and a hoot to boot. I used to see Pop at GATEWAY when Joe Marchetti ran a couple of GATEWAY HISTORIC RACES vintage events many years ago. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 14:53:20 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: References: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: It's Dennis Wilson. And yes, it is kas' old car, now in the hands of Jack Madison and me. Sam Halkias> From: fasttrs at mindspring.com> To: dave at microworks.net; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:02:37 -0600> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982> > I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint> scheme.> > Mike> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On> Behalf Of David W. Riddle> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 PM> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982> > Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's> > > >Hallett 1982> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009> 9:37 AM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jan 20 17:41:05 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:41:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: More Vintage Racing in Oklahoma Message-ID: <49766F21.5090502@pobox.com> 1977 Ponca City this time. John Lee races with CVAR. Apparently, his brother was driving the TR4. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=oRznXCM6DIxC/+RV3vSlP8BKYy/mgQA31gPWIp5OvxMdHVVPawgMlE7aBvEtrf7amL4RijiyNdYAkl2zyBARL60yt9vOEMx3l1fm7bqqm4HLOH6UmGhNNFRiA83mVIhv; Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.85] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 17090293-m2777 X-Sender: texwebs at yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98142 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.184.115.128 From: "texwebs" X-Yahoo-Profile: texwebs Sender: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list cvar_general at yahoogroups.com; contact cvar_general-owner at yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list cvar_general at yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:51:08 -0000 Subject: [cvar_general] The good old days Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Video (8mm film) of my brother and I at Ponca City Grand Prix. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3EFnBYxCRE From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 07:35:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:35:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Message-ID: If I would follow your idea I would overbore the bushing bore and set a new bushing which is offset honed. I think you can get 1mm out of it. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Charly Mitchel Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 16:42 An: Mark J Bradakis; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER Does anyone know of a non-roller rocker arm for a TR6 which is stock appearing and will give a higher ratio than the stock rocker arm. Seems to me I heard of one somewhere once. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER > Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: > > http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm > > Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. > > mjb. > > http://www.dimebank.com/monster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jan 21 08:12:03 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Message-ID: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> MadMarx wrote: > If I would follow your idea I would overbore the bushing bore and set a new > bushing which is offset honed. > I think you can get 1mm out of it. > > This will work, but, it's not the best method. The rocker shaft and valve positions are fixed. For the optimum rocker nose contact with the valve stem head, the distance between the rocker bore center and the contact point of the nose should also remain fixed. There's also the additional problem of weakening the stock rocker by additional boring. Ideally, the ratio should be increased by decreasing the bore center to pushrod point, because that end of the rocker is made to operate with some misalignment. This could be accomplished by overdrilling, rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. The same proviso about weakening the rocker at a stress point still applies. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From paulking at charter.net Wed Jan 21 09:31:53 2009 From: paulking at charter.net (Paul King) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring Message-ID: <01C275E3047E452C9FFDE9A8A79283DF@OFFICEDESKTOP> GT6/Spitfire racers, After running a 5 leaf rear spring (a swing spring on a recommendation from the source of my front coil-over units), I've decided I need a higher rate spring. I believe my current spring to be 110 lb. at the wheel (Spit swing spring). It's great in the wet, but that's about it. Any suggestions on what stock springs (Spit 7 leaf?) have worked, or should I just go the custom route? Thanks! Paul King '72 GT6 Mk3 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 21 10:20:32 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:20:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com><7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> Message-ID: <00a501c97bec$914e35d0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > This could be accomplished by overdrilling, > rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then > drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. Seems to me that it wouldn't be any harder to move the shaft center. Randall From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 21 10:26:52 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <01C275E3047E452C9FFDE9A8A79283DF@OFFICEDESKTOP> Message-ID: <20090121172652.OHLU8485.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> First off, I am wondering why you are running a Spit Swing Spring. That product inherently makes the suspension softer and induces a lot of body roll. What I did to increase the spring rate in my former autocross car (that had Rotoflex rear suspension) was to add a leaf to the stack. The leaf was much stiffer than any of the ones that were previously there and added the required stiffness. I had to remove one of the shorter leaves in order to maintain the original thickness of the stack. Now, that will not work with a Swing-spring setup because of the bend in all but the main leaf. So this is another reason to lose that swing-spring setup. Joe C. P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But again it is not "Swing-Spring" -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul King Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:32 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring GT6/Spitfire racers, After running a 5 leaf rear spring (a swing spring on a recommendation from the source of my front coil-over units), I've decided I need a higher rate spring. I believe my current spring to be 110 lb. at the wheel (Spit swing spring). It's great in the wet, but that's about it. Any suggestions on what stock springs (Spit 7 leaf?) have worked, or should I just go the custom route? Thanks! Paul King '72 GT6 Mk3 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Wed Jan 21 13:23:42 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <20090121172652.OHLU8485.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <8CB4A1D49C553C0-1364-BE4@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But again it is not "Swing-Spring" ==AM== Joe, you're thinking of the spring for the Herald Courier van. It's very, very stiff (I can probably find rates in my books at home), and it has less of an arch in "static" condition than do most other Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire/GT6 springs. It might almost be overkill for a GT6, but I think the concept actually was not unlike what the factory used for the various "Works" Spitfires. A vendor in the UK had commissioned a new run of the Courier spring last year, but I believe he's sold out at the moment. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Jan 21 13:28:54 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:28:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <8CB4A1D49C553C0-1364-BE4@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In the good old days you could order a competition spring from the factory. I loved those V parts. I still have many on Zippy. On 1/21/09 2:23 PM, "Andrew Mace" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Curry > > P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon > that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But > again it is not "Swing-Spring" > > > > ==AM== > Joe, you're thinking of the spring for the Herald Courier van. It's very, very > stiff (I can probably find rates in my books at home), and it has less of an > arch in "static" condition than do most other Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire/GT6 > springs. It might almost be overkill for a GT6, but I think the concept > actually was not unlike what the factory used for the various "Works" > Spitfires. > > A vendor in the UK had commissioned a new run of the Courier spring last year, > but I believe he's sold out at the moment. > > > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 15:16:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:16:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> Message-ID: I agree, not the best method and from my opinion to change the ratio is not a precise thing to do and can cause forces to the components with disastrous results. What I have done is to reshape the contact point of the of the nose. The difference is that with this profile on the nose I have a ratio change during the valve lift. The rest is done by the cam with 310 degree. Cheers -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael Porter [mailto:mdporter at dfn.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2009 16:12 An: MadMarx Cc: 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER This will work, but, it's not the best method. The rocker shaft and valve positions are fixed. For the optimum rocker nose contact with the valve stem head, the distance between the rocker bore center and the contact point of the nose should also remain fixed. There's also the additional problem of weakening the stock rocker by additional boring. Ideally, the ratio should be increased by decreasing the bore center to pushrod point, because that end of the rocker is made to operate with some misalignment. This could be accomplished by overdrilling, rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. The same proviso about weakening the rocker at a stress point still applies. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jan 21 15:17:30 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:17:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Herald parts cars Message-ID: <014f01c97c16$0dfbcba0$32601a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> I don't know if anyone is contemplating a Herald project, but I thought i would throw this out. A friend, Jim Fordice, is building a Herald convertible and is buying two sedan parts cars from a boneyard in Iowa to help with the project. He would like to sell off the surplus. his # is 319-938-2200. best reached m,t, and th evenings. art de armond From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 21 16:47:02 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:47:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? Thanks Dennis DeLap From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 21 21:31:19 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:31:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps Message-ID: Good Evening, I got the TR7 with the Dolly Sprint engine out on the road last Saturday and it was fun to zip around in. Sunday Morning we went out to start it up and the first crank it mad a nasty clank rattle rattle noise I remember from my days of blowing up FIATs (like when the timing belts break). I tested the engine for compression and nothing from number 3. I assume the piston hit the valves and who knows what the damage is. Anybody had any experience with this? The engine has a timing chain and I can see it didn't break. Anybody know of things I should do to make this engine more reliable during the rebuild? ......................Cheers, Henry Morrison, more Triumphs than Brains From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jan 21 21:37:02 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a really good forum here which is based in UK and has a lot of Sprint info and experts. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5 Cool that you have a TR7 with a Sprint engine. Do you have any pictures of the car that you can share? Thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com Sent: January 21, 2009 11:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps Good Evening, I got the TR7 with the Dolly Sprint engine out on the road last Saturday and it was fun to zip around in. Sunday Morning we went out to start it up and the first crank it mad a nasty clank rattle rattle noise I remember from my days of blowing up FIATs (like when the timing belts break). I tested the engine for compression and nothing from number 3. I assume the piston hit the valves and who knows what the damage is. Anybody had any experience with this? The engine has a timing chain and I can see it didn't break. Anybody know of things I should do to make this engine more reliable during the rebuild? ......................Cheers, Henry Morrison, more Triumphs than Brains Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Jan 22 08:11:16 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:11:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:02:21 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:02:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901220902x748df79ajd3c3dbd64a1bfa2a@mail.gmail.com> Morty, what are you using for sway bars? Is your TR solid rear or IRS? These numbers would seem very stiff for a TR6. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Gasket Works wrote: > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front > > M > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the > rear of your cars? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 22 10:17:16 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:17:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8CB4ACC687D2A43-1F0-45B@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Wow- Those aren't springs...they're solid blocks! Seriously, I've wanted to run stiffer springs myself and just haven't gotten to it yet...where did I put that list? I have spring that are 600 in the front and 500 in the rear,? I run those with a 7/8" front sway bar with about a 5" lever arm and a 9/16" rear with about a 10" lever arm.? The car is neutral just about anywhere and everywhere, except hard trail braking...it tends to get just a tad tail happy.? The car could be stiffer as it does take moment too long to settle in a corner.? Now I have an end point for further mods...800 & 1000 jeez... Spring is, just around the corner... ???????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal TR4 IRS -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:32:13 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:32:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Dang. I havent found my numbers yet but those are about double what I ran in the TR6 (I think). Marty> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:11:16 -0800> From: gasket.works at verizon.net> To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate> > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front> > M> > www.headgasket.com> Gasket Works USA, LLC> 626.358.1616 Voice> 626.628.3777 Fax> GMT -8 Pacific> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM> Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate> > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers.> > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS.> > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the> rear of your cars?> >> > Thanks> > Dennis DeLap> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT _TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jan 22 10:51:41 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:51:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: Mordy, I'm very interested in your setup. You haven't seen my TR4A. I missed getting it ready for Hallett but I have been running it since September of 06 with TriumphTune springs. They suggest and I bought their 420 lb.in fronts and 550 lb/in rears. I am using 7/8" swaybars sold by Goodparts. If you look at the picture from the Glen it is pretty obvious that I am a little too soft in the springs. I suppose you had your springs made up locally and I am going to have to have some made up and start making adjustments. Your car must run on rails. On another subject, Hallett. Do you think people would come from CA if I set up an FoT event there in Spring 2010? I got a couple of yes responses, but I am not encouraged. Do you think it would be better to try a Texas track? It isn't any further for you Socal guys but it is from the Midwest. We have the refurbished and very fast Texas World Speedway which we run at the end of Feb/early Mar or new track very technical track north of Ft Worth called Eagles Canyon that we run in May. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gasket Works Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:11 AM To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Watkins Glen Pro Photos 001.jpg] From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jan 22 11:16:29 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <20090122181629.54QBQ.238244.root@cdptpa-web14-z01> What kind of shocks are you using to control those high spring rates? Bob ---- Gasket Works wrote: > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front > > M > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the > rear of your cars? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 22 11:23:13 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: <380-220091422182313578@earthlink.net> Dennis, When Fletcher ran the TR6 he used anywhere from 900 to 1100 springs on the front, and anywhere from 500 to about 700 in the rear, we used weight jackers to set the ride height and corner weights. He used solid bars front and rear, 1" and 7/8" respectfully. When I ran the car in this configuration we used 1000F and 800R. Yes the car was stiff but seemed to like it. I wouldn't argue with success. Fletcher won the Eprod Championship in 91 and did well wiith it in the GT3 configuration for a number of years also. I am in the process of bringing old Helen back to life with a rebody and some updating. I ran it for 4-5 years in the old configuration and couldn't catch the really fast RX-7's but was always top 3-5 on the grid. I hope to get her out sometime next year. Chip > [Original Message] > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Jan 22 11:27:02 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:27:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: Bob, FYI there are a few of us working on a rather large event that would have a large corporate sponsor and run on Heartland Park Topeka in probably late august of 2010. The Corp. Sponsor is already excited and their maybe a good opportunity for us here as HPT has not had "Vintage Racing" in a number of years. I'll fill you in more later. Gary Fuqua **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Jan 22 15:14:07 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:14:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <380-220091422182313578@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Another factor to consider is the stiffness of the chassis. Fletcher's car (Hellen) had an extremely stiff chassis with chromoly tubing. It was very responsive to spring rate changes. When he won the EP Championship we had 1000# front and 1100# in the back because the car had a 48%FR to 52%RR weight balance. It was frustrating keeping up with the changes that Fletcher made because he and I both were bad about not keeping notes. BTW Chip I always spell it "Hellen" because she has been to hell and back. :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CHIP COLLINGWOOD Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:23 PM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Dennis, When Fletcher ran the TR6 he used anywhere from 900 to 1100 springs on the front, and anywhere from 500 to about 700 in the rear, we used weight jackers to set the ride height and corner weights. He used solid bars front and rear, 1" and 7/8" respectfully. When I ran the car in this configuration we used 1000F and 800R. Yes the car was stiff but seemed to like it. I wouldn't argue with success. Fletcher won the Eprod Championship in 91 and did well wiith it in the GT3 configuration for a number of years also. I am in the process of bringing old Helen back to life with a rebody and some updating. I ran it for 4-5 years in the old configuration and couldn't catch the really fast RX-7's but was always top 3-5 on the grid. I hope to get her out sometime next year. Chip > [Original Message] > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 7:08 AM From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 23 11:29:47 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 11:40:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:40:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race a spitfire because...terrific handling racecar..parts readily available...easy access to engine bay(like the GT6)..I can leave the car on the trailer in my garage..open the bonnet.. and do the work..including front suspension stuff...When I was young i raced TR4s..I loved them and still do, but the spitfire is just simpler since I do all of my own work except machining and engine assembly Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 23 12:00:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:00:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9049F76A-DA5B-43F3-A7A9-FD733590FE98@bnj.com> I think specials, if you can find one, are a great way to go racing. A lot more flexibility than a stock-based race car, and while they might be more expensive to acquire, they can be cheaper to run and cheaper to repair (or not). If I were really going to do it right I'd get Joe Alexander to get me a lightweight AMBRO body built, a lightweight RATCO frame and build a TR-based special with all the bells and whistles. You'd have to get it blessed by your vintage organization, and most would say no, but it would be a great car. If you did it carefully you could get FIA papers for it as a replica--the europeans think this is a more rational approach than wearing out historic objects. Failing that I'd do a spitty and build it right on the bleeding edge of legal. There are some great ones here in Portland, and they have a blast racing each other. You can make them awfully fast. I've forgotten that guys name at Road America, but he could outdrag Peyote down the straight, and Peyote ain't slow. Only way I stayed with him at all was drive out of the corners--the big TR motors have more torque. Best way to get a race car is to buy a race car--much cheaper than building one. But building them is fun in a masochistic way. On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I > said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big > ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire > to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will > take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least > I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jan 23 14:47:57 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090123214757.VHU7V.253037.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> I may be different from a lot of the racers. I admire someone who can keep the same car for years. Me, I'm trying to build and race every car that I have pined over through the years when I couldn't afford the sport. TR4, Datsun 2000, GT6, 510 Sedan are all behind me now. But I have landed on my present project....a 1957 TR3.....and plan on sticking with it for a long time. A couple of really good inspirations in Florida where I live, in Mike Jackson and Tim Suddard who race a TR3 very successfully. Like the guy with the Harley who loves the unique sound it makes, the 4 banger TR has that same uniqueness and especially the look. Bob (in cold Florida) ---- Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 23 13:51:52 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Jan 23 14:19:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <33345DE8.0951D5B2.00159EE9@cs.com> there is a Spitfire about an hour from me. it is all but ready to race. if anyone is interested, please let me know. yes, it has all of the right safety equipment and it runs. AMBRO is cool....Tony Vigliotti would like to build a lightweight frame for an AMBRO. There are two bodies available at the moment. Time & cost is an issue if those are factors in your decision. Spitfire seems to be the directon respondees point in so far. there has been a gain in popularity. joe a >I think specials, if you can find one, are a great way to go racing. >A lot more flexibility than a stock-based race car, and while they >might be more expensive to acquire, they can be cheaper to run and >cheaper to repair (or not). If I were really going to do it right I'd >get Joe Alexander to get me a lightweight AMBRO body built, a >lightweight RATCO frame and build a TR-based special with all the >bells and whistles. You'd have to get it blessed by your vintage >organization, and most would say no, but it would be a great car. If >you did it carefully you could get FIA papers for it as a replica--the >europeans think this is a more rational approach than wearing out >historic objects. > >Failing that I'd do a spitty and build it right on the bleeding edge >of legal. There are some great ones here in Portland, and they have a >blast racing each other. You can make them awfully fast. I've >forgotten that guys name at Road America, but he could outdrag Peyote >down the straight, and Peyote ain't slow. Only way I stayed with him >at all was drive out of the corners--the big TR motors have more >torque. Best way to get a race car is to buy a race car--much cheaper >than building one. But building them is fun in a masochistic way. > >On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> >> I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I >> said >> planning, scheming and dreaming... >> >> I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not >> certain >> it would be a durable racer over the long haul. >> >> So lets hear. >> >> Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. >> >> Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big >> ticket item >> for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. >> >> So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire >> to do >> those right now) I think she's done. >> >> Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will >> take a >> great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least >> I've >> make a commitment to the dream. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jan 23 14:21:30 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Which year? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Jan 23 14:48:04 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:48:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Simply enough it was what I had, and in a sense also its lack of reliability. In 1965 I decided I needed a sports car. I looked at a Midget, but the steering was way loose (and the MG dealer said that was normal in sports cars!). Then I went to the Triumph dealer and he had a Spitfire on the lot for $1300. Steering wasn't loose. I bought it. Still have it. It was my daily driver for 5 years, and my autocrosser. It also managed to break down every October just when the Divisional Championship came around. Finally got tired of that, gave it to my brother (who was by then working as a mechanic at the shop where I bought it) and he built it into a race car. Took it back 3 years later. Although race cars do break, it has proven a lot more reliable in race trim. Of course, I quickly came to love the Spitfire's ease of access for working on it. And these days, the relatively easy availability of parts & expertise. There's a reason I've owned this car for 44 years now. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 23 14:55:06 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:55:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EE7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Sorry - 1500 (1974, specifically). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:21 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Which year? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jan 23 15:09:49 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:09:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race what I race because a local guy was willing to finance part of my TR3 purchased back in 1996 when I was a poorer man than I am today. I have always been a TR250-TR6 guy, owning my first in 1977 so I gravitated to the TR4 body style. Having raced a TR3, TR4, and now a TR4A IRS I'm probably going to eventually end up racing a TR6. I started in the TR3 because it was cheap but this is a temporary thing. You probably know that. So, if you like GT6's then you should race a GT6, but starting with a Spit, or a TR4 because you can grab a good one and get started is as good as it gets. If you hold out for a GT6 or worse yet, decide to build one to go racing, well good luck with that. Bob Kramer Texas TR4A #29 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rocky Entriken Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:48 PM To: Andre Rousseau; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Simply enough it was what I had, and in a sense also its lack of reliability. In 1965 I decided I needed a sports car. I looked at a Midget, but the steering was way loose (and the MG dealer said that was normal in sports cars!). Then I went to the Triumph dealer and he had a Spitfire on the lot for $1300. Steering wasn't loose. I bought it. Still have it. It was my daily driver for 5 years, and my autocrosser. It also managed to break down every October just when the Divisional Championship came around. Finally got tired of that, gave it to my brother (who was by then working as a mechanic at the shop where I bought it) and he built it into a race car. Took it back 3 years later. Although race cars do break, it has proven a lot more reliable in race trim. Of course, I quickly came to love the Spitfire's ease of access for working on it. And these days, the relatively easy availability of parts & expertise. There's a reason I've owned this car for 44 years now. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jan 23 16:49:19 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:49:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race a TR6. I built it because I had two parts cars and figured that was enough to get started. I'm sure we all know where that went. Anyway, I've had a TR6 since '71. Dad bought one and I was the chief mechanic. At age 15. Really. So I've been playing with TR6 for 38 years. They sort of grew on me. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jan 23 16:58:43 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:58:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no one said I had good sense..... Race what is fun for you.. Dean T. Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 23 19:49:57 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497A81D5.7000605@bradakis.com> > So I've been playing with TR6 for 38 years. > > They sort of grew on me. > Grew on you? You mean like warts? mjb. From britbits at netzero.com Fri Jan 23 20:09:16 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c97dd1$254f7150$6b513542@jrg> Andre, For me, it's what's been available at a reasonable price. That's been Spitfires. As has been pointed out, you can probably find cars that have been converted to race cars soon after being sold. And if you're going to go racing, that's usually the cheapest way to start, as most race cars will sell for less than 1/2 what they cost to build. Some of them aren't worth 1/4 what they cost to build. That's the argument against a "prebuilt" race car. Spitfires are more common because they're the most common of the Triumphs on our side of the pond. 18 years and some 300k+ cars built. Only topped by the TR7/8s in initial production numbers and the 7/8s are not vintage legal for most groups. Yes, you can find big TRs as race cars. Some may be deals.. Some may be tired pieces of mechanical bits. You have to do your research. And the Spitfire (and GT6) is such an easy engine/trans to work on. Lift the front clip for engine work, pull a trans cover for the inside. The biggest downside on the Spitfire line is the rear swing axles. Specifically the hubs. There are people on the list who've run stock axles.. And some got some wild rides.. Right Ed? As has been said, if you can pick up a prepped car it'll usually be less than 1/2 of what you'll spend on your own home project. Keep your eyes/ears open. Lots of deals have been from people who've had good cars but had to sell because of life changes. Divorce or disability. Not trying to suggest being a ghoul, it's just where the deals are. I was offered my autocrosser after being vetted by the original owners. The main owner was going through divorce/house sale. The car is a gem. The spares were trash. But I had been around the club long enough that I was the chosen sucker. It can be a liability being known. ;) Overall it's been a good ride. Aside from snapping u-joints and replacing cracking steel rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low cost, approved defensive driving courses! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8QcrSjiMdBMyrZrK5sDwOHJzHWjsnGwT3GpfW7yh88O8k9v/ From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 23 20:18:25 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:18:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved that car. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the > track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but > dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's > onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start > all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and > used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I > would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no > one said I had good sense..... > > Race what is fun for you.. > > Dean T. > Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: > > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 23 20:25:04 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Loose many coffee cups? ;) A. On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, > sitting my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light > to change , then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting > a cigarette and picking up my coffee had all the people in back of > me in stitches. It was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer > too. I really did loved that car. > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on >> the >> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all >> but >> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think >> today's >> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped >> start >> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 >> and >> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about >> racing I >> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. >> But no >> one said I had good sense..... >> >> Race what is fun for you.. >> >> Dean T. >> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >> >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:15:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:15:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> Tr3s....another favorite car of mine....I love them all...British..Italian...German....American....So many cars...So little time(seriously).....It's kind of like our kids.....We put in the love, care, and time..and then.....we can be Happy as hell because we did so...and we want to do so more!..... that's one of the great thing about groups like this! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "Friends of Triumph Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loose many coffee cups? > > ;) > > A. > > On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:19:07 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: If we could repair our lungs like we can repair our cars we could still be enjoying a smoke darn i want a smoke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting > my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , > then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and > picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It > was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved > that car. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >> one said I had good sense..... >> >> Race what is fun for you.. >> >> Dean T. >> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >> >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:22:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:22:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Don't smoke Rob..you can do it! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > If we could repair our lungs like we can repair our cars we could still be > enjoying a smoke darn i want a smoke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 21:50:08 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <301573.67317.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mk1, Mk2/3 or MkIV/1500? --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Barr, Scott wrote: From: Barr, Scott Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 2:51 PM Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 06:04:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:04:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I have the car since I was a student in year 1989. I've done fun rides that time on the Nordschleife and became quite fast on that track but unfortunately on open roads too. I very often found myself with over 110 mph on narrow roads through woods. I was prone to have an big accident one day with this driving. 2003 I met a race mechanic on the Nordschleife and he did a ride with me and said: You must race! That was the start shot. Equipped the car to suit racing and then here we go since year 2004. Was big fun till now. The coming season will be interesting for me because I will run a low fat car. Cheers Chris From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 08:09:44 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media Message-ID: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> Interesting thread as I have been toying with the idea of taking an extra set of carbs and bead blasting everything including the manifold for that clean beadblasted look as an assembly. Think there is anything in the alloy of the carb peices that the loss of the patina might accelerate coorosion? My biggest fear is the beads in my engine which is why I probably won't do it... In the past I have had very good luck with Kas' method. I was however always surprised how quickly it all went back to the basic SU look, kinda like learning to like green bronze on my sailboat. Admittedly, my car suffers from months - sometimes years of back-burner syndrome where another toy gets my primping time and the TR just gets driven... Cheers, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 08:15:31 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> Another great advantage of a TR3 is all the tools you can pick up in the middle of the highway. My best was a torque wrench I got on the San Diego Freeway, took two tries and several flipped birds to get it... From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 24 08:17:09 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:17:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: You can use soda or plastic as the blast media, soda would probably be best, but I wouldn't expect it to stay pristine long. On Jan 24, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Interesting thread as I have been toying with the idea of taking an > extra set > of carbs and bead blasting everything including the manifold for > that clean > beadblasted look as an assembly. Think there is anything in the > alloy of the > carb peices that the loss of the patina might accelerate coorosion? > My biggest > fear is the beads in my engine which is why I probably won't do it... > > In the past I have had very good luck with Kas' method. I was > however always > surprised how quickly it all went back to the basic SU look, kinda > like > learning to like green bronze on my sailboat. Admittedly, my car > suffers from > months - sometimes years of back-burner syndrome where another toy > gets my > primping time and the TR just gets driven... > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jan 24 09:03:30 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <4362ae390901240803n2a9fe449v3090973098ba6425@mail.gmail.com> This stuff is outstanding. I've been taking notes through the whole process. I will place them on my site so I can refer to them in my research. If ever have a chance, GT6 all the way, but there are safety considerations to be tested first. I found getting in and out of Bill's caged TR6 interesting enough. http://www.gt6.ca/glen/08raw/Friday/slides/IMG_0515.html But had no issues with Russ Moore's Spit. http://www.gt6.ca/glen/08raw/Friday/slides/IMG_0517.html I think the next time I see a GT6 anywhere, I'll ask if I can test fit the car. Even my wonderful wife things a Spitfire would be a good way to go. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 09:23:59 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake From wensley_tr at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 09:35:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DAE6B387C6F4F8DAD67C1B184902FAB@Desktop> Bob if you break it who going to fix it Quantum Right So listen to them Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:24 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jan 24 09:54:23 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:54:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090124165423.VZQB16090.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > There seems to be some disagreement on > what to use in the OD unit. Bob, I think that qualifies as the understatement of the year ! What I see is that the J-type just doesn't care all that much. The same unit is used on OEM applications that use everything from motor oil to gear oil to ATF. They all seem to work well enough. IMO, the gearbox is what should dictate choice of oil, especially as the TR box just isn't all that rugged and needs all the help it can get. So, if you want to go against Triumph's recommendation and use motor oil, I'd suggest something with lots of ZDDP for protection. Lots of folks use/recommend Valvoline VR1 20W50 and it seems to work well. I recently switched to Redline MT-90 in hopes it would save a marginal transmission. It didn't; but the J-type worked just fine. Haven't decided what I'll try next, but I'm leaning towards the same Valvoline full synthetic gear oil that I use in Triumph differentials. It doesn't use the additive that is a concern with some GL-5 oils (also found in some GL-4 oils, just at a lower concentration) and seems to work very well in my diffs. However, it may be too slick for good synchro operation. If it doesn't work out, I'll probably go back to the MT-90. BTW, Quantum Mechanics also recommends upgrading the thrust washers in the TR6 gearbox to Torrington bearings. That would help them live with the 10W30 non-detergent, but seems kind of extreme to me. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 09:56:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:56:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears shear on oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be do well. I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 10:01:11 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:01:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <1227227243.8833491232816471399.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Because my father in law raced one at le Man's, Sebring and......\\\ And when I was 5 y/0 I was taken to school in a daily car pool in a tr4 ( I was small enough to fit in the rear with another passenger). Seat belt rules and car seats were not enabled .... but, adults should have had more sense. M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca B '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ B Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jan 24 11:55:55 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:55:55 EST Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: Redline has a hi impact gear oil now that I thought would help the diffs. I seem to recall it not being suitable for the gearbox but don't know. Might be worth a look... **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jan 24 13:09:13 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB4C76C2D88BBE-E68-339@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> I use the hi impact Redline in my diff and it seems to be holding up well.? It really is a thick oil and it probably just wouldn't be the best in an od box...or even a straight four speed.? I think it would create shifts measured in the minutes between gears...probably completely unshiftable (is that a word?) in the cold! I'm already slow enough as it is... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Redline has a hi impact gear oil now that I thought would help the diffs. I seem to recall it not being suitable for the gearbox but don't know. Might be worth a look... **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Jan 24 16:21:38 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:21:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> Quantum recommends using Redline MT 90 in the race J-type OD and transmission. Allen On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. > I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. > > But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears > shear on > oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be > do well. > I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 > An: FOT > Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. > Any input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 18:14:31 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! In-Reply-To: <1542998203.626911232845501566.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1228771459.628431232846071928.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I choose a TR4 for several reasons. First, I bought a TR4 after graduating from college in 66 because IB worked one summer at the dealer, Raymond Foreign Sales, Islip NY and they gave me a good deal! I had had aB beater MGA and great looking TR3A in college. I felt if I could get the handling of the MG and the grunt of the 3A I'd be in hog's heaven. The TR4 answered that puzzle. Second, I felt the TR4 would be a B reliable, stable platform and relatively easy/inexpensive to work on. Third, Uncle Jack and "Cousin Joe" had one for sale at a reasonable price and their reputations were impeccable so I bought the one they had for sale. Fourth, Sadly, I flattenned the one I bought from Jack and Joe, but found one locally( Pacific NW) that had history, a fairly new paint job , but needed mechanicals. Fifth, Now that I've been at this for five years, an unexpected bonus for choosing a Triumph--all the help and friendship of those of you on this list!! PS: Anyone else out there in FoT land familiar with Raymond Foreign Sales? When I worked for them they were on Sunrise Highway in Islip, Long Island, later they moved closer to their mothership, Raymond Buick in Bayshore. John James #116 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 24 18:52:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:52:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <67049534-16BB-4546-B1E5-A4975114BD91@bnj.com> I use MT 90 in the diff and gearbox. Works very well. I have a tran-x rear end and straight cut dog box though so YMMV (your mileage may vary) On Jan 24, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Quantum recommends using Redline MT 90 in the race J-type OD and > transmission. > > Allen > > On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. >> I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. >> >> But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears >> shear on >> oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be >> do well. >> I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> Im >> Auftrag von Robert Blake >> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 >> An: FOT >> Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> >> I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 >> TR6. >> There >> seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners >> manual >> recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. >> Any input >> on >> OD appreciated and on fluids in general. >> >> Bob Blake >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jan 24 21:37:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:37:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! References: <1228771459.628431232846071928.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: John, My first exposure to Triumphs was on Long Island. My parents bought a sailboat in Northport and we took sailing lessons from the dealership. The guy giving the lessons, Larry Wierks, drove a red TR4 and dated my sister for a while. That must have been 1970 or so. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! >I choose a TR4 for several reasons. First, I bought a TR4 after graduating > from college in 66 because IB worked one summer at the dealer, Raymond > Foreign > Sales, Islip NY and they gave me a good deal! I had had aB beater MGA and > great looking TR3A in college. I felt if I could get the handling of the > MG > and the grunt of the 3A I'd be in hog's heaven. The TR4 answered that > puzzle. > > > > Second, I felt the TR4 would be a B reliable, stable platform and > relatively > easy/inexpensive to work on. > > > > Third, Uncle Jack and "Cousin Joe" had one for sale at a reasonable price > and > their reputations were impeccable so I bought the one they had for sale. > > > > Fourth, Sadly, I flattenned the one I bought from Jack and Joe, but found > one > locally( Pacific NW) that had history, a fairly new paint job , but needed > mechanicals. > > > > Fifth, Now that I've been at this for five years, an unexpected bonus for > choosing a Triumph--all the help and friendship of those of you on this > list!! > > > > PS: Anyone else out there in FoT land familiar with Raymond Foreign Sales? > When I worked for them they were on Sunrise Highway in Islip, Long Island, > later they moved closer to their mothership, Raymond Buick in Bayshore. > > > > John James > > #116 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jan 24 21:56:52 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:56:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97ea9$574bd490$05e37db0$@com> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:26 PM To: 'Andre Rousseau' Subject: RE: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? We choose to build and race a TR4 because I had a TR4A that I bought new in '66 and had for about 25 years and was familiar with it. Also, it's the car that was around when my son Ryan, my partner in the race car, was growing up so he also was familiar with it. It's pretty basic mechanically, meaning that with some tools and facilities you can pretty much do it all yourself, which is what we did. From the suspension, drive train, frame and including the body work and the painting. The only thing we had done "outside" was the bead blasting of the tub and frame. And, yes, it would have probably been cheaper (and a lot quicker!) if we'd have bought a racer to begin with. But now we now this car inside and out, literally. We've installed and tightened every nut and bolt on the car as well as all the wiring, plumbing, etc. So that's why we race a TR4. And it was a great experience and if I had to do it again, I'd do it the same way just to have the satisfaction that "I built that". Tim and Ryan Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 25 08:32:58 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO/TIPO 61 ON EBAY Message-ID: <38811F5F.4C851F5D.00159EE9@cs.com> for your viewing entertainment, there is an unfinished project on eBay replica/kit car it is not Triumph based. the body has not been touched, but there is a custom frame partially built. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Jan 25 08:43:54 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97f03$baefd8c0$6701a8c0@HP> While tinkering in the garage last night thinking about this string it dawned on my another good reason to choose a TR3; the TR4 and beyond with their wider tracks, independent suspension rack 'n pinion etc are a shoe-in to be faster. So there is no real accomplishment beating a 3 BUT when a 3 beats a 4 etc, well, the humiliation should be unbearable and the gloating justified. I can remember browsing in the pits at a new tr4 with my dad and asking him why we don't get one assuming newer was better. Dad's response was "...sure is fun beating 'em". M From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Jan 25 10:47:06 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission lubricant - as others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. While I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better than the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) seem to be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable people can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to include the Redline product in that test program. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Blake Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake ------------------------------ From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 17:02:59 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem getting it at my local parts store. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guinan" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 (Found > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test with > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. > > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission lubricant - as > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. While > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better than > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) seem to > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable people > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to > include the Redline product in that test program. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > > ------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Robert Blake > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jan 25 17:21:49 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:21:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <20090126002150.RXXQ93.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@randall> > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 > weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&cati > d=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't > work) Also please note that the described test was done "long ago", and on an A-type OD. The J-type is a later design, with quite a few improvements over the A-type (including apparently a tolerance for various kinds of oil). > I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate > that as a logical choice. Funny thing is, lots of folks do use hypoid oil (including the factory !) and they don't have anywhere near the kind of problems that John reports. I don't know why there is a discrepancy, but something doesn't make sense. Randall From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 17:29:58 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006e01c97f4d$3830a050$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Andre, cold and snowy here, too. Was warm Friday and I fired up the TR6 and gave it a good warmup. I'm in the process of replacing the fuel cell. I bought the 6, not because I was a diehard Triumph fan, but more because I had wanted to get into Vintage for a decade or more and happened into the 6. A friend had it, rebuilt it in '93, raced it a couple times and parked it in his basement. (He has a '67 Mustang there now!) It was love at first bite, as soon as I sat in it. He said it wouldn't take much to make it race-ready. Never believe that crap! After sitting for a decade, it needed about everything refreshed. In a previous life, I was a mechanic, so tools and experience were there. Particulars about Triumphs were not. That's what's so nice about FOT; they're a great bunch of folks with a vast pool of knowledge and info and are willing to share. I can safely say that I have learned a lot about Triumphs, from reading and listening; always looking for insight. It was certainly nice falling into this bunch of folks (not sure what adjective to use). I've developed a soft spot for the Triumph brand. Thanks for all the help guys. Andre, as a friend said to me, this ain't no dress rehersal. Get the bloddy car and join in! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Jan 25 19:15:38 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:15:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <0A9659B8742140A58B6058E7EFA82AB7@desktop> Favorite Local Auto Parts Store. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? > BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem > getting it at my local parts store. > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Guinan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, > > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 > (Found > > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test > with > > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. > > > > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission > lubricant - > as > > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street > > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. > While > > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better > than > > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) > seem > to > > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable > people > > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually > > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to > > include the Redline product in that test program. > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) > > From: Robert Blake > > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > > There > > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any > input > > on > > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > > > Bob Blake > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 19:38:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:38:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan><005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <0A9659B8742140A58B6058E7EFA82AB7@desktop> Message-ID: Good one Charly! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > Favorite Local Auto Parts Store. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > To: "Joe Guinan" ; > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > >> I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? >> BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem >> getting it at my local parts store. >> Bill----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Guinan" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> >> >> > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, >> > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - >> > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 >> (Found >> > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their >> test >> with >> > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. >> > >> > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission >> lubricant - >> as >> > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my >> street >> > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. >> While >> > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is >> better >> than >> > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) >> seem >> to >> > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable >> people >> > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually >> > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to >> > include the Redline product in that test program. >> > >> > Joe Guinan >> > Fremont, NE >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) >> > From: Robert Blake >> > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> > >> > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. >> > There >> > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners >> manual >> > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any >> input >> > on >> > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. >> > >> > Bob Blake >> > ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 22:45:27 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:45:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <8CB4ACC687D2A43-1F0-45B@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <211386.33857.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have rear springs with the 0.62 diameter wire and four active coils at the rear of my TR-6 auto-X car. According to a spring calculator they could be as stiff as 970 lbs per inch if the torsional modulus = 10E6 pounds/sq inch. The rear syaybar is solid 11/16" diameter 4130 with 9.5" lever arms. The front springs are a bit softer, but not much. My TR-6 makes a cement mixer feel like a soft cushy ride, so driving to events on the street can be a jarring experience if the pavement is rough. Someday I gotta stop racing my car every month so that I will have enough time to pull the springs and have them accurately measured. J. Prettyleaf aol.com> wrote: From: malaboge at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate To: gasket.works at verizon.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 9:17 AM Wow- Those aren't springs...they're solid blocks! Seriously, I've wanted to run stiffer springs myself and just haven't gotten to it yet...where did I put that list? I have spring that are 600 in the front and 500 in the rear,? I run those with a 7/8" front sway bar with about a 5" lever arm and a 9/16" rear with about a 10" lever arm.? The car is neutral just about anywhere and everywhere, except hard trail braking...it tends to get just a tad tail happy.? The car could be stiffer as it does take moment too long to settle in a corner.? Now I have an end point for further mods...800 & 1000 jeez... Spring is, just around the corner... ???????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal TR4 IRS -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Jan 26 11:59:08 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:59:08 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6: Need quarter windows and dash Message-ID: Hey guys, I have got the Group 44 car nearly done now, but was looking for some real nice used quarter windows for the doors. I have a pair, but would like better chrome. Also, I bought an aftermarket wood dash and am not happy with how original it looks. Anyone have a really good used dash for a 1969 GT6+? Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Mon Jan 26 20:02:57 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE9846AF643FF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Gang I race an MGA Coupe because I had a MKII project car I could not finish when I got married, and had to sell it when I moved from Canada to the states. I race a Lotus Super 7 because I had to cancel the order in the 70's to buy a ring to get married to the gal who made me sell my MGA. I race a Lotus 51 because my new wife lets me race and they are so damn fun. I will be racing a GT6+ as soon as I get it back together because they are a bit of an engineering/driving challenge with the engine so far forward and the poor rear suspension. My brother had one during university while I had a MGB-GT and we use to have a blast them. Cheers to the memories, and those wifes that support our sport :) Bill Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:16 PM To: Andre Rousseau; Kas Kastner Cc: Friends of Triumph Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Tr3s....another favorite car of mine....I love them all...British..Italian...German....American....So many cars...So little time(seriously).....It's kind of like our kids.....We put in the love, care, and time..and then.....we can be Happy as hell because we did so...and we want to do so more!..... that's one of the great thing about groups like this! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "Friends of Triumph Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loose many coffee cups? > > ;) > > A. > > On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 26 21:12:23 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:12:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers Message-ID: I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have the rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on his website.. any help will be appreciated thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jan 27 02:09:45 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers References: Message-ID: <0F0A166CCD624942914F78289D55D391@rocky> No scam. Dave is real (and a longtime friend). He has a business -- Solo Performance Specialties -- which has recently been expanding to service a lot of SCCA needs including winning the deal to be SCCA's primary supplier of apparel and other knickknacks (the SCCA Gear part of his business). He's legit. And he's worlds better than that outfit that was selling tees and stuff the previous couple of years -- better quality products and better service. FWIW, his mother was RE of St. Louis Region about three years and is currently the chair of the Midwest Division Executive Committee. These are longtime, committed and involved SCCA people. That said, I know nothing about what that e-mail was or what the issue there is. You might e-mail Dave direct -- dave at soloperformance.com and politely ask him what's up? --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers >I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have >the > rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my > website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his > sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on > his > website.. > any help will be appreciated > thanks > Racer Bud > Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 07:58:45 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 27 08:07:50 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:07:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF907D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! << the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits >> That sounds right to me. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:59 AM To: Fot Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 10:16:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:16:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers References: <0F0A166CCD624942914F78289D55D391@rocky> Message-ID: <0E6DA758ACAE42DB932486BA6D0F274A@Bud> FYI..I just got an email from Dave Whitworth..he sent me the email in error..all is square thanks Racer bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "RACER BUD" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers > No scam. Dave is real (and a longtime friend). > > He has a business -- Solo Performance Specialties -- which has recently > been expanding to service a lot of SCCA needs including winning the deal > to be SCCA's primary supplier of apparel and other knickknacks (the SCCA > Gear part of his business). He's legit. And he's worlds better than that > outfit that was selling tees and stuff the previous couple of years -- > better quality products and better service. FWIW, his mother was RE of St. > Louis Region about three years and is currently the chair of the Midwest > Division Executive Committee. These are longtime, committed and involved > SCCA people. > > That said, I know nothing about what that e-mail was or what the issue > there is. You might e-mail Dave direct -- dave at soloperformance.com and > politely ask him what's up? > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers > > >>I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have >>the >> rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my >> website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his >> sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on >> his >> website.. >> any help will be appreciated >> thanks >> Racer Bud >> Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jan 27 12:43:01 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:43:01 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT at It's Best Message-ID: Esteemed List, We received a very large box from UPS today. When Jan discovered it in the garage she read the label. It said: "THE REALLY BIG DIAMOND" Store on a very professional looking LABEL. Since it said that, and it was addressed to her, she lugged and drug it into the dining room and started to open it. Under several cubic feet of foam peanuts she found a TR4 long neck radiator. She was very pleased. Well, mostly very amused. Then Dusty, the cat, found that foam peanuts in a box were a great source of amusement..... Thanks to Bill Dentinger........as it replaces the radiator in TR4 #197, which I destroyed beyond repair, in a jacking incident at Watkins Glen. Joe A From jibjib at att.net Tue Jan 27 17:36:08 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:36:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! Jack TR's 3 & 8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM To: Fot Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 18:26:51 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 27 19:12:32 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> As a former Wisconsonite, I must point out that cheese hats are a vertical wedge vs. The horizontal wedgie of the TR7. Steve Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "RACER BUD" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:15:54 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the cheesey look... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:27:17 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:27:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2383D181462C402E847654D735AD7401@Bud> I've never lived in Wisconsin, but I had a girlfriend from Madison back in the 1970s...there were quite a few Wisconsin transplants in the San Francisco bay area, so I was fortunate to meet lots of Wisconsinites at parties, and in the ski club that i belonged to...Beer and Brauts!.... My youngest daughter is married to a young man from a Wisconsin family..(they met at the Air Force Academy)...At their wedding...it was made very clear to me that i was automatically 'part of the family'...and it's stayed that way... If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve belfer" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "Fot" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > As a former Wisconsonite, I must point out that cheese hats are a vertical > wedge vs. The horizontal wedgie of the TR7. > > Steve > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "RACER BUD" > > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:28:34 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: http://www.cheesehead.com/ They would probably do it too. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 27 19:30:19 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C95@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> We wear those all winter here in Wisconsin. They're remarkably warm, especially if you tack on some ear flaps. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: RACER BUD ; Jack Brooks ; 'Fot' Sent: Tue Jan 27 20:15:54 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the cheesey look... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:29:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: Welcome Paul! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination >I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. > Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the > cheesey look... > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:37:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:37:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:43:13 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: That's too easy. Here is a pcture where the guy already has the paint job and 'hats' to go with it. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/ArmySpit.jpg Paul -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: January 27, 2009 9:38 PM To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:47:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <1E04D7666499490A83265EB4A468ED54@Bud> thanks Paul..that photo's going to my kids! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > That's too easy. Here is a pcture where the guy already has the paint job > and 'hats' to go with it. > > http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/ArmySpit.jpg > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: January 27, 2009 9:38 PM > To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; > "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > >> >> http://www.cheesehead.com/ >> >> They would probably do it too. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM >> To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination >> >> >> Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the >> guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! >> Racer bud >> Spitfire#21 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack Brooks" >> To: "'Fot'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination >> >> >>> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >>> >>> Jack >>> TR's 3 & 8 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >>> To: Fot >>> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >>> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >>> >>> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >>> He >>> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >>> >>> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >>> >>> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >>> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >>> like >>> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >>> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >>> >>> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >>> be >>> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >>> >>> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy >>> it >>> I >>> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >>> not >>> to win, but really to push your limits." >>> >>> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >>> >>> Paul MacDonald >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which >>> had >>> a >>> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 27 20:00:36 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:00:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: <3D3C4F0BD1E3425EAC2644914ED6E330@joepentiumnew> I can answer that Bud! The recommended hearwear is one of those leather Aviator Helmet's complete with period goggles! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:38 PM To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 00:02:42 2009 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:02:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ran an A type for several years useing just about anything for oil. my fave for trans shifting was 75/90 synthetic gl5. I built a spare and used that oil and blew the acumulator cover off the box. I guess this one was putting out a bit more pressure than the old one. Need thiner oil. John at quatum knows tr trans listen. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. > I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. > > But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears shear > on > oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be do > well. > I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 > An: FOT > Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any > input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Jan 28 01:37:29 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:37:29 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> > Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? I favour a 'modified' deer stalker, like Sherlock Holmes used to wear. Undo the flaps so they're horizontal and then put a forward facing probe on each front edge to imitate the two 20mm cannons! Might not be too well received if you wore it in Germany, though. Jonmac From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 02:08:59 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:08:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire hat flaps In-Reply-To: <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> Message-ID: No problem to drive Spitfire with a Sherlock hat in Germany. We have Messerschmitt cars to defend against the Spitfires. See how they practice formation flights to prepare for a Spitfire meeting: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/FMR_Tg500_am_1976-0 8-14.jpg/800px-FMR_Tg500_am_1976-08-14.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Macartney Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 09:37 An: RACER BUD; Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nomination I favour a 'modified' deer stalker, like Sherlock Holmes used to wear. Undo the flaps so they're horizontal and then put a forward facing probe on each front edge to imitate the two 20mm cannons! Might not be too well received if you wore it in Germany, though. Jonmac _______________________________________________ From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 04:57:32 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2383D181462C402E847654D735AD7401@Bud> Message-ID: <667367.75257.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know about warm. Unless you mean the people! ----- Original Message ---- From: RACER BUD To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; Jack Brooks ; Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:27:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I've never lived in Wisconsin, but I had a girlfriend from Madison back in the 1970s...there were quite a few Wisconsin transplants in the San Francisco bay area, so I was fortunate to meet lots of Wisconsinites at parties, and in the ski club that i belonged to...Beer and Brauts!.... My youngest daughter is married to a young man from a Wisconsin family..(they met at the Air Force Academy)...At their wedding...it was made very clear to me that i was automatically 'part of the family'...and it's stayed that way... If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH Racer Bud..spitfire #21 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 28 07:33:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:33:08 EST Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would > say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. > to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. Bill (Damdinger) ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 28 07:58:45 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dolly Sprint update Message-ID: I got the head off the Dolly sprint engine and there is no apparent damage to the valves or pistons. I'll look at the bottom end to try to figure out what all the racket was and why I had no compression in number 3. I checked it three times, am I taking crazy pills? ...........................Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 28 08:06:20 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:06:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New TR6.............. Message-ID: Like a dog turning over a trash can, I bought a new TR6. I wasn't going to buy it but when I started waving cash around, the price was too good to pass up. My wife got pretty bent out of shape when she reminded me I now had seven, useless, cars when I really thought I only had six and if you really count everything it's more like nine. Nonetheless, low man on the totem pole must go and it's an absolutely rust free, never been in an accident, stored the last 20 years '78 MGB. Everything works and it's a great car for someone who wants a federalized British car that really can'tr get out of its own way. If I can get rid of the "B" for $2500.00, I can probably keep the TR-6. Any suggestions?.......................Am I taking crazy pills?...................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 08:36:12 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New TR6.............. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780901280736n586e40e1o128ea46a7f7aeb5b@mail.gmail.com> How can you possibly be taking crazy pills when you are talking about dumping a mgb in order to keep a TR6? ;-) Irv On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:06 AM, wrote: > Like a dog turning over a trash can, I bought a new TR6. I wasn't going to > buy it but when I started waving cash around, the price was too good to > pass > up. My wife got pretty bent out of shape when she reminded me I now had > seven, useless, cars when I really thought I only had six and if you really > count everything it's more like nine. Nonetheless, low man on the totem > pole > must go and it's an absolutely rust free, never been in an accident, stored > the last 20 years '78 MGB. Everything works and it's a great car for > someone > who wants a federalized British car that really can'tr get out of its own > way. > If I can get rid of the "B" for $2500.00, I can probably keep the TR-6. > Any > suggestions?.......................Am I taking crazy > pills?...................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jan 28 08:44:49 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:44:49 EST Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2009 11:00:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Randall" > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 > > weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&cati > > d=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't > > work) > > Also please note that the described test was done "long ago", and on an > A-type OD. The J-type is a later design, with quite a few improvements over > the A-type (including apparently a tolerance for various kinds of oil). > > > I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate > > that as a logical choice. > > Funny thing is, lots of folks do use hypoid oil (including the factory !) > and they don't have anywhere near the kind of problems that John reports. I > don't know why there is a discrepancy, but something doesn't make sense. > > Randall > ISTR that Quantum recommends 30wt because Laycock recommends 30wt, whereas Standard-Triumph recommended Hypoid EP90. Whatever, there is obviously a tolerance, and FWIW, I do what the Triumph factory said I should do and it works fine. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 09:14:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:14:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:33 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > > >> If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would >> say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. >> to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH >> > > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** >> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 28 09:17:39 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:17:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 01/28/2009 10:15:22 AM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people here in Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). Bill ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jan 28 09:37:24 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:37:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF91FD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> We call them "tourists". -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:15 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:33 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > > >> If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would >> say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. >> to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH >> > > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** >> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. > (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 09:44:28 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:44:28 EST Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: Bill & Bill, Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of 200lbs but slowly heading north. Joe A. > > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too > much". > > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. > > Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people here in > Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). > > Bill From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 10:32:55 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:32:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I said: "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks stay so healthy." At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely superior name. On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:44 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Bill & Bill, > > Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" > restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you > put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of > 200lbs but slowly heading north. > > Joe A. > > >> > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was >> "too much". >> > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. >> >> Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people >> here in >> Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). >> >> Bill > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 28 11:01:37 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:01:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cc001c98172$778835c0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > because Laycock recommends 30wt, Just curious, Leon, have you ever seen where Laycock recommended only 30 weight for a J-type? Or even for an A-type in the 60s or 70s? The only information I've seen from Laycock was written in the early 50s (so almost 20 years before the J-type was designed); and Standard-Triumph followed their recommendation up until approximately 1960 (except that ST allowed up to 50 weight depending on ambient temperature). I've heard a rumor that there was actually a service bulletin describing the OD changes to accommodate the use of EP gear oil; but have never found a copy of such a bulletin. BTW, the Volvo J-type manual I have handy says that 20W40 is permissible; which is actually thicker than 75W90 @ 40C. Randall From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Jan 28 13:01:35 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? On Jan 28, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and > doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe > shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I > said: > > "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating > healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried > hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just > looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks > stay so healthy." > > At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:44 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Bill & Bill, >> >> Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" >> restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you >> put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of >> 200lbs but slowly heading north. >> >> Joe A. >> >> >>>> I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was >>> "too much". >>>> And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. >>> >>> Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people >>> here in >>> Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). >>> >>> Bill >> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 13:02:37 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its base in Wisconsin to go on tour. John H. From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jan 28 14:01:32 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> References: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> Message-ID: <006901c9818b$99718240$cc5486c0$@com> http://www.b17.org/history/aluminum_overcast.asp Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 16:01:50 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:01:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: <6C7EEE31.3CFEDAC7.00159EE9@cs.com> yes it was....it didnt quite fit, but i used it anyway. >http://www.b17.org/history/aluminum_overcast.asp > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." > >-----Original Message----- >Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 16:14:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. Best Regards, Joe A >For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and >doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe >shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >said: > >"Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >stay so healthy." > >At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > >And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >superior name. From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 17:07:54 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:07:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: Message-ID: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I went up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit nervous and turned a bit green. They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. Sorry I drifted off message a bit. Snow and cold, cold and snow! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "John Herrera" To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its base in > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > John H. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 17:23:44 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Hans Device Message-ID: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? Thanks Dennis From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 17:46:14 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:46:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear end. Message-ID: <358F1B464AAF4B0A9B9127DBE724E964@joepentiumnew> I was recently contacted by the owner of a GT6 who says that his rear end recently went out. Rather than pay the big bucks to have it rebuilt, he is wondering if anyone has a 3.27:1 diff assembly (GT6+) in good condition that they need to part with at a reasonable price. Anyone who has one, please send your contact information to me and I will forward it to the buyer. No financial interest on my part, just trying to help out a Triumph guy! Thanks, Joe From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 18:25:02 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:25:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] spitfire tranny Message-ID: <13216E456080408EA3A3B3B97939E857@Bud> Thanks to those who gave me the info regarding my spitfire tranny...You guys were right on the target...the clip ring in front of 3rd gear had slipped forward..40 cent part...it was worn on one side...then finally came loose when i shifted into 3rd..everything else looks perfect....not a speck of metal filings/grindings, whatever, and the gear teeth look like new....about 120 hours on the tranny....I use VALVOLINE synthetic gear oil..80 wt. Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 18:31:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:31:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS REHEARSAL"... My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I > went > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit > nervous and turned a bit green. > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Herrera" > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > > Aluminum > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its > base in > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > John H. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 18:54:49 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c981b4$921c14a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Dennis, try Saferacer, 866 781-0997, or online. Their catalog shows a retrofit kit for $75; says to fit any HANS ever made. The sliding tethers are nice for side vision. No financial interest. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Hans Device > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? > > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 19:01:24 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> Message-ID: <004a01c981b5$7da1cff0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Bud, go up if you get the chance. You'll love it. The hatch above the radio room was open on my flight and we could stick our heads out and enjoy the 170 mph breeze. It was I that told Andre that it isn't a dress rehersal! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > REHEARSAL"... > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" > ; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I > > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I > > went > > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit > > nervous and turned a bit green. > > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > > Bill----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Herrera" > > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > > > Aluminum > > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its > > base in > > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > > > John H. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 19:03:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:03:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: Plan on lot's of cheese. On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND > for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? > > Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. > > Best Regards, > > Joe A > >> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >> and >> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >> Joe >> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >> said: >> >> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >> stay so healthy." >> >> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >> >> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >> superior name. >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:07:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:07:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> <004a01c981b5$7da1cff0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Thanks for the push Pal...there's a B17 based in the San Fran Bay Area that comes up here about once a year.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "RACER BUD" ; "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > Bud, go up if you get the chance. You'll love it. The hatch above the > radio room was open on my flight and we could stick our heads out and > enjoy > the 170 mph breeze. > It was I that told Andre that it isn't a dress rehersal! > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "John Herrera" > ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's > expensive, > > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > > REHEARSAL"... > > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when > Liz > > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing > around' > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" > > ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, > I > > > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, > I > > > went > > > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a > bit > > > nervous and turned a bit green. > > > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother > took > > > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the > war > and > > > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > > > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > > > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > > > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > > > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > > > Bill----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Herrera" > > > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the > All >> > > > Aluminum > > > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior > name. > > > > > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave > its > > > base in > > > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > > > > > John H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:19:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:19:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <3E02DF93847F49E9B287423E89178088@Bud> How about Cigars? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND >> for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? >> >> Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A >> >>> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >>> and >>> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >>> Joe >>> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >>> said: >>> >>> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >>> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >>> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >>> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >>> stay so healthy." >>> >>> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >>> >>> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >>> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >>> superior name. >>> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:22:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:22:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <54BE4355945A4ECA9009CC11A256A474@Bud> when is the Portland kastner cup race?... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND >> for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? >> >> Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A >> >>> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >>> and >>> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >>> Joe >>> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >>> said: >>> >>> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >>> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >>> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >>> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >>> stay so healthy." >>> >>> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >>> >>> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >>> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >>> superior name. >>> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jan 28 19:22:01 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <498112C9.4050003@dfn.com> WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > The B-24, as I recall, was restored by a guy in Hudson, MA. I recall the photos of it on a flatbed trying to navigate the narrow streets leading to his hangar. When it was flying, the Larz Anderson auto museum auctioned off rides on it to raise funds (the owners didn't make much money on it, since it drank fuel something fierce, and used about thirty gallons of oil an hour). My brother and I were going to bid on a ride for my father, and when he found out, said, "good thing you didn't, because I wouldn't have gone up in it--they were always a POS and since I had to bail out of one already, I'm certainly not going to take a chance on having to again." :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 19:23:54 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:54 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15130107-65DA-4103-A170-3E184F4B9238@bnj.com> Mine has been. On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be > converted to a sliding tether unit? > > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jan 28 20:00:51 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> Message-ID: After some quality time in an F16, I gave up flying. I was never going to get that ride again... I woke up one morning and realized I had four of the most expensive hobbies known to man; racing sailboats, racing cars, flying airplanes, and women. I gave up on boats and planes. It took another 23 years to settle on one woman. :) The triumph collection is still growing though. Unless someone wants a project TR6.... iii On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > REHEARSAL"... > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" < > william.tobin3 at verizon.net> > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" < > billb at bnj.com>; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I >> think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I >> went >> up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit >> nervous and turned a bit green. >> They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took >> their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and >> was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were >> captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. >> The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. >> Sorry I drifted off message a bit. >> Snow and cold, cold and snow! >> Bill----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Herrera" >> To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" >> Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese >> >> >> > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > >> Aluminum >> > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. >> > >> > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its >> base in >> > Wisconsin to go on tour. >> > >> > John H. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 21:21:54 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> That would be Tillamook Cheese of course! On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND > > for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? > > > > Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Joe A > > > >> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, > >> and > >> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned > >> Joe > >> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I > >> said: > >> > >> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating > >> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried > >> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just > >> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks > >> stay so healthy." > >> > >> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > >> > >> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > >> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > >> superior name. > >> > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Jan 28 21:22:23 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:22:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, Yes they can. I did the conversion last year. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:24 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Hans Device Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? Thanks Dennis From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 21:44:58 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10525109DBAC4E3885FF9832446AD254@joepentiumnew> If Tillamook has dried out yet! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:22 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese That would be Tillamook Cheese of course! From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Jan 29 00:32:39 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:32:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 26, Issue 49 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2009 11:20:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:01:37 -0800 > From: "Randall" > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > To: > Message-ID: <0cc001c98172$778835c0$275636cc at jdnet.deere.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > because Laycock recommends 30wt, > > Just curious, Leon, have you ever seen where Laycock recommended only 30 > weight for a J-type? > > Or even for an A-type in the 60s or 70s? > > The only information I've seen from Laycock was written in the early 50s (so > almost 20 years before the J-type was designed); and Standard-Triumph > followed their recommendation up until approximately 1960 (except that ST > allowed up to 50 weight depending on ambient temperature). > > I've heard a rumor that there was actually a service bulletin describing the > OD changes to accommodate the use of EP gear oil; but have never found a > copy of such a bulletin. > > BTW, the Volvo J-type manual I have handy says that 20W40 is permissible; > which is actually thicker than 75W90 @ 40C. > > Randall Sorry Randall, Bit of memory fog, but I will try to recall and if/when I do, I will be sure to let you know! I seem to remember about 20% of all ths stuff I have read these days, but I think it may have been in a Laycock manual somewhere? http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Jan 29 04:49:56 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:49:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02748849757eb57ed8cbe4c00a07af9e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be > converted to a sliding tether unit? Yes, it can. There is an upgrade kit available (about $70, if I recall correctly). It is very easy to install. I did it to mine, and highly recommend doing the conversion. It makes it much easier to turn your head and see the corner workers when you spin off track (not that I'd ever do that, of course). John From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 29 18:35:44 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:35:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Don Carter Message-ID: Sorry to bomb the list but I'm trying to locate Don Carter You out there Don? Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 14:42:57 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:42:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders Message-ID: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jan 30 14:47:14 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:47:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I buy extras from Moss and hammer them in there pretty tight with sealant. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jan 30 14:48:33 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:48:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> I ordered some from Moss about a year ago and they were the right size, rectangular about 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Jan 31 01:42:45 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:42:45 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> Message-ID: You can usually get felt strips from your local bearing supplier as it is used as a seal on some design plumber block bearings Cheers... Peter V TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 8:49 AM To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders I ordered some from Moss about a year ago and they were the right size, rectangular about 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot __________ NOD32 3811 (20090129) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Jan 31 07:09:55 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:09:55 EST Subject: [Fot] Need American Libre wheel Message-ID: Guys, I have the Group 44 GT6+ pretty much done. I found a set of 13x6" American Libre magnesium wheels (as originally run), but after repeated trys, one wheel looks to be too damaged to save. Does anyone have one of these wheels they can spare. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Jan 31 07:21:34 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dolly Sprint update Message-ID: I don't want these reports to become too minute by minute but here goes. I removed the intake tappets this morning and the number five "pallet shim" or litlle hockey puck shaped doohickey has taken a few hits. Looks like Kas' asessment of sticky valve on cylinder three is correct. I will try to take the rest of the head apart today. I must say although I never really wanted a TR7, the chance that I may have one actually sabotaged by a disgruntled Leyland employee, makes so I can't keep my hands off the little bugger..............................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM (still on divorce threat level Orange) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Jan 31 13:02:03 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dolly Sprint Update 2 Message-ID: After trying every valve spring compressor, resorted to wrench and block of wood. About three fingernails full of black gunk, must be age old oil and gas accumulated in the # 5 intake valve port and all over the valve stem making it very sticky. I am very relieved that there was little damage beyond one of the shims. The car should run a lot better once I get everything back together............Henry Morrison From rblake36 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 11:29:01 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Message-ID: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 1 11:34:49 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Usually the result of not enough current going through the flasher. Would check 2 things: 1) turn on the turn signal. Unplug the flasher. Does the signal go out (making sure you are working with the correct flasher unit. The TR6 has at least 2 in the circuit iirc) 2) check it with a light bulb at the 'output' of the flasher. If that blinks and the turn signal does not, the signals are not drawing enough current. Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 are particularly bad about getting corroded. Bob 76 TR6 CF57392 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before > I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jan 1 11:37:05 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:37:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure if I remember why, but check your oil pressure switch. I remember something odd about the wiring in this area on 75&76 TR6's. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 12:05:12 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:05:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: check your ground wires... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 1 12:54:07 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yeah, the 75/75 is a bit of an oddball in some electrical ways. the 4way flasher circuit is just deranged iirc. The switch is a complete nightmare. On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:05 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > check your ground wires... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in >> either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on >> and >> stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it >> functions >> properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before >> I >> trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in >> the >> wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented >> the >> wheel. >> >> Thanks >> >> Bob Blake >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jan 1 13:50:05 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:50:05 EST Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Message-ID: And if you've even LOOKED at the hazard switch recently look at it again very suspiciously. You don't want to ever touch that, Ermmm...device, unless the situation is dire. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 14:37:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: Message-ID: the HAZARD switch is only installed to remind us of what we are driving!(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: bownes at seiri.com ; budscars at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals And if you've even LOOKED at the hazard switch recently look at it again very suspiciously. You don't want to ever touch that, Ermmm...device, unless the situation is dire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Jan 1 17:14:48 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:14:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874221.12375.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve is correct...on the later models the turn signals go through the hazard switch like on an MGB. If the hazard has bad contacts, either in the external wires or within it's body, the turn signals won't work. The turn signal flashing passes through the hazard. Options are: spray some contact cleaner into the hazard and work the switch some until the contacts clear, or, disconnect the hazard completely and jump the wires. In this option use a schematic to determine what are the left and right primary colors that will go to the green/white and green/red. I do not remember off the top of my head. The hazard switch simply hooks all the lefts and right together so they all flash. I doubt your state requires the hazards to function. Have a great new year! --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Robert Blake wrote: From: Robert Blake Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals To: "FOT" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:29 PM I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:01:05 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: malaboge at aol.com To: rblake36 at yahoo.com Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Bob- I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a disaster. New Year...same old Lucas... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: FOT Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29 am Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:08:48 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:08:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> Message-ID: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're done. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jan 1 18:34:25 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:34:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things occurring with 4 way flashers. I had a GM product a few years back that with the right combination of switches on and others just making initial contact and with the brake lights lit would result in the interior and dash lights flashing in harmony with the 4 way flashers. It may have been the 1986 Pontiac Sunbird from hell whose odometer would sometimes roll miles off and another day decide to put them back on. I have no idea how many miles were on that car but I do know that it was the worst car I ever owned. Depreciation on that puppy was exponential becoming worthless very quickly. What a mistake. Happy New Year everyone. JVV > Bob- > > I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... > Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration > only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" > touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, > moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a > corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? > I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in > the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to > rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? > > > Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn > circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San > Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a > disaster. > > New Year...same old Lucas... > ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Jan 1 18:38:15 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:38:15 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Message-ID: Dear Lister's, I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's fitted to TR3/4 engines. Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run excessively RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue will more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it is as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is found with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes that are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle plate moves forward. My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that it/they are positioned directly above the throttle plate? I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and or positions. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 1 19:03:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:03:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <205D7929-8E65-466C-A117-6C95720C5C67@bnj.com> Soda works well for fragile stuff, or plastic. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:08 PM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Bob- > > SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their > surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? > If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that > surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back > on the road, go ahead and blast away. > Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little > smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the > factory when you're done. > > Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... > ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: nogera2 at att.net > To: Shop Talk > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > > I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before > rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type > of > metal? > > Thanks > > Bob > You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com > > Shop-talk mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From susank at 141.com Thu Jan 1 19:10:11 2009 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495D7783.3090602@141.com> Hey Nick, et al, We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? Susan :) malaboge at aol.com wrote: Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the car bs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying t o get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and t ime consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're don e. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:4 4 AM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 19:13:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:13:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals. References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that one Jerry!...The Human comedy is terrific!...so..... in that respect .....getting back to the TR6 turn signal situation....When I was commuting 100 miles round trip in Tr6s, I solved that problem easily by replacing the TR6 doors with Tr3 Doors so that I could use Arm Signals...I only had trouble if..When exiting the car...I forgot to unplug the J.C. Whitney 'Towing Light Package' from my left arm...before my foot hit the ground. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Wooohoo.and Happy New Year Gang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals > Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things occurring with 4 > way flashers. I had a GM product a few years back that with the right > combination of switches on and others just making initial contact and with > the brake lights lit would result in the interior and dash lights flashing > in harmony with the 4 way flashers. > It may have been the 1986 Pontiac Sunbird from hell whose odometer would > sometimes roll miles off and another day decide to put them back on. I > have no idea how many miles were on that car but I do know that it was the > worst car I ever owned. Depreciation on that puppy was exponential > becoming worthless very quickly. What a mistake. > > Happy New Year everyone. > > JVV > >> Bob- >> >> I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... >> Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration >> only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" >> touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, >> moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a >> corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? >> I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 >> in the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks >> to rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? >> >> >> Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn >> circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San >> Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a >> disaster. >> >> New Year...same old Lucas... >> ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in >> either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on >> and >> stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it >> functions >> properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. >> Before I >> trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues >> in the >> wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already >> invented the >> wheel. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 1 19:48:25 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Anyone remember the VTR Nationals at Asheville? I remember some of it. I spent an awful lot of time under and around the dash of my TR6 in the hotel parking lot trying to get mine working. I was able to purchase a good used one there. I installed it and it still works today. I probably shouldn't have said that. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge at aol.com > To: rblake36 at yahoo.com > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 4:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > Bob- > > I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... > Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration > only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" > touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, > moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a > corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? > I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in > the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to > rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? > > > Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn > circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San > Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a > disaster. > > New Year...same old Lucas... > ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Blake > To: FOT > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29 am > Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 1 19:57:45 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:57:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090102025744.GSBK17716.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things > occurring with 4 way flashers. I had a GM product a few years > back that with the right combination of switches on and Before I was old enough to drive, I figured out that the right combination of switches in Dad's Dodge would allow the radio to play without the key. But you had to turn off the heater and wipers, otherwise everything would flash in unison. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 1 20:16:27 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:16:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090102031627.COGL13015.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 > are particularly bad about getting corroded. Plus the ground inside the holder may be open, even without being corroded. On mine, there was a gap of perhaps 1/16" between the two conductors inside the holder. Here's a tech article showing the problem and solution. http://tinyurl.com/58el55 Randall From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 20:33:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <20090102031627.COGL13015.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <0AA0693F22644B04A1533F81D4A09C04@Bud> I agree completely..it's usually the simple stuff Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >> Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 >> are particularly bad about getting corroded. > > Plus the ground inside the holder may be open, even without being > corroded. > On mine, there was a gap of perhaps 1/16" between the two conductors > inside > the holder. > > Here's a tech article showing the problem and solution. > http://tinyurl.com/58el55 > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 1 22:25:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The main problem is that you can't set Weber's for a wide range. You can use a small chokes to rise torque and easy overcome the idle stage or you can run large chokes to have max power. For a road engine a 32mm choke I would suggest as max. For racing a 36-40mm choke. The 36 for rally and the 40 for ovals. I have a type 9 Weber and it does stumble at progression. I run a 55F8 idle jet. Use small injectors....like a 35 or 40 with a discharge jet of 50-70. Hope this helps. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Januar 2009 02:38 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Dear Lister's, I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's fitted to TR3/4 engines. Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run excessively RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue will more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it is as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is found with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes that are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle plate moves forward. My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that it/they are positioned directly above the throttle plate? I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and or positions. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Jan 2 05:42:31 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:42:31 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 References: Message-ID: Peter I have had and dealt with this issue on BST82B, which has 1990's vintage Spanish origin Weber DCOE 45 152's with the three progression holes. Exactly this 'pickup' problem, which is a big issue on a rally car with lots of short, sharp moves where the full rev range is used, much more so than a race car (except from initial launch!). WEBCON in the UK can set each carb in a jig and drill the missing 2 holes accurately for about #50 a carb (phew!) but it does the job nicely. I dare say you can do this at home with a decent pillar drill and a plate mounted jig. The DCOE 45 152G carbs now sold have 5 progression holes (WEBCON tell me that these were developed for the Zetec engine), so if anyone is buying carbs those are the ones to look for if its a TR application. the plain old 152's only have 3 holes. The DCOE 45 09's on 3VC (Ex Works TR4) dont seem to have this problem but I havent checked yet to see how many progression holes. The other ex works carbs I have show 4 holes, the 3rd past the critcal point you note, but the car these came from was rallied hard in the USA so maybe they were added after manufacture. There are a couple of people here in the UK that I can point you at for some serious technical advice if that will help. Happy new year. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue > will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it > is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is > found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes > that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle > plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and > or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jan 2 05:48:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:48:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, I'm not sure but I think my Webers have only 2 progression holes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von TR4Tony Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Januar 2009 13:43 An: Peter Vucinic Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Peter I have had and dealt with this issue on BST82B, which has 1990's vintage Spanish origin Weber DCOE 45 152's with the three progression holes. Exactly this 'pickup' problem, which is a big issue on a rally car with lots of short, sharp moves where the full rev range is used, much more so than a race car (except from initial launch!). WEBCON in the UK can set each carb in a jig and drill the missing 2 holes accurately for about #50 a carb (phew!) but it does the job nicely. I dare say you can do this at home with a decent pillar drill and a plate mounted jig. The DCOE 45 152G carbs now sold have 5 progression holes (WEBCON tell me that these were developed for the Zetec engine), so if anyone is buying carbs those are the ones to look for if its a TR application. the plain old 152's only have 3 holes. The DCOE 45 09's on 3VC (Ex Works TR4) dont seem to have this problem but I havent checked yet to see how many progression holes. The other ex works carbs I have show 4 holes, the 3rd past the critcal point you note, but the car these came from was rallied hard in the USA so maybe they were added after manufacture. There are a couple of people here in the UK that I can point you at for some serious technical advice if that will help. Happy new year. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue > will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it > is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is > found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes > that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle > plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and > or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Jan 2 07:47:20 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:47:20 -0000 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A68104B259C4118A0ED309253C9B2AD@Bevan> Bob, I've had this problem with many Triumphs down the years. In my experience, its nothing more than a defective flasher unit. Throw a new one at the car. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 2 11:27:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:27:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the additional holes can probably be drilled and will likely solve the stumbling problem. I haven't done anything like that yet, my weber- equipped TR experience consists mostly of "will it run at some kind of idle" and "does it pull cleanly with full throttle", but the modifications you're considering were done commonly with the over- large carbs fitted on motorcycles. You can probably reduce the problem across the range by fitting a substantially smaller choke. The big benefit of drilling progression holes is that once the butterfly or slide is open they don't do anything, so they don't screw up the rest of the range. If I were going to do such a thing I'd go about it the same way we did on motorcycles--make a drilling jig. This is simply a piece of steel with a properly sized hole in it, a stop on the other end to locate the drill hole, and a jobber length drill of the appropriate size. Long skinny drills require a very light pressure and a steady hand. Don't make the jig thick expecting that it will help guide the drill-- thick walls will make it very hard to keep from binding the drill. As I dimly recall, the semi-official jig for adding another progression hole to the carbs on the Yamaha 500 twins (I think they were called XS500) was a piece of cad-plated sheet metal--probably 16 gauge. You can also make the existing holes larger or make them more trench- like. For that we used a foredom flex shaft tool with a dental handpiece. You might be able to fake it with a dremel and flex shaft. All these kinds of mods are cut and try. You can screw up some expensive carbs and render them unusable for street use, but then they are race car parts where progression isn't anything to worry about. Really, the problem is best solved with injector bodies and a laptop with fuel mapping software. There used to be lots of guys who could make carbs do everything but speak, I suspect there are a lot fewer now. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER > DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this > issue will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. > But it is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem > is found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle > plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression > holes that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression > hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT > directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of > the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. > The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the > throttle plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes > and or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:06:19 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:06:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Shocks Message-ID: Amici I purchased new replacement shocks for our explorer and suburban about three years ago, after routine passenger use and unfortunately little towing, they need replacement. Considering the previous ones lasted much longer, I am thinking that I probably did not buy the right ones. Interested in recommendations. Thank you in advance. Cary **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) From malaboge at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:22:29 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <495D7783.3090602@141.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <495D7783.3090602@141.com> Message-ID: <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> Susan- I have used a tumbler on carb parts.? The medium in my tumbler is left over from competitive shooting days and was meant to polish brass, which it did to a fine degree.? The stuff in my tumbler ( I have forgotten the name of it) is green and organic of some sort (also used?a sandy dirty red compound previuosly) and I added a dollop of Mothers Polish to the media.? This combo made the brass look like new.? However, it will only "somewhat" clean aluminum, but not well.? It also leaves it a bit darker in hue after tumbling. I have never tried the walnut shells so have no direct results to share.? If you decide to use the walnut shells, please let us all know as my tumbler sits here unused. If you are going to tumble the SU pistons or domes, I would tape the inside of the domes and the grooved area of the pistons, just to be safe. Always ready for a tumble...... ???????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kahler To: malaboge at aol.com Cc: nogera2 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media Hey Nick, et al, We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? Susan????? :) malaboge at aol.com wrote: Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're done. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:44 AM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 2 13:13:26 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM><8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><495D7783.3090602@141.com> <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43A41A6F9AF04D64803512BA6CF6DB0B@KasPC> The bells and float bowls will shine up like chrome with just a simple unstitched buffing wheel and some red rouge compound. All to had from Sear's. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media > Susan- > > I have used a tumbler on carb parts.? The medium in my tumbler is left > over from competitive shooting days and was meant to polish brass, which > it did to a fine degree.? The stuff in my tumbler ( I have forgotten the > name of it) is green and organic of some sort (also used?a sandy dirty red > compound previuosly) and I added a dollop of Mothers Polish to the media.? > This combo made the brass look like new.? However, it will only "somewhat" > clean aluminum, but not well.? It also leaves it a bit darker in hue after > tumbling. I have never tried the walnut shells so have no direct results > to share.? If you decide to use the walnut shells, please let us all know > as my tumbler sits here unused. > > If you are going to tumble the SU pistons or domes, I would tape the > inside of the domes and the grooved area of the pistons, just to be safe. > > Always ready for a tumble...... > ???????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Kahler > To: malaboge at aol.com > Cc: nogera2 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > Hey Nick, et al, > > We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in > our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been > similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the > original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? > > Susan????? :) > > > malaboge at aol.com wrote: > > Bob- > > SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any > type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are > rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? > If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and > blast away. > Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly > and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when > you're done. > > Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... > ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: nogera2 at att.net > To: Shop Talk > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > > I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before > rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of > metal? > > Thanks > > Bob > You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com > > Shop-talk mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk > > http://www.team.net/archive > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: > 12/31/2008 8:44 AM > > > > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat Jan 3 08:57:05 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Free stuff Message-ID: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find new homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a Spitfire 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing the main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The pinion bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This is an 83mm, without cam bearings. If anyone wants any of these items please contact me off list. If not, in a couple of weeks they will be swimming with the fishes. Thanks - Ed - From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 10:06:21 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:06:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff In-Reply-To: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find new> homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a Spitfire> 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing the> main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The pinion> bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This is> an 83mm, without cam bearings.> If anyone wants any of these items please contact me off list. If not, in a> couple of weeks they will be swimming with the fishes. > Thanks - Ed - Wher do you live? John From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 3 13:44:01 2009 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (Bill Collins) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:44:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> Ed's shop is officially in Haltom City, TX. Just west of DFW airport on Hwy #121 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Herrera" To: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:06 Subject: Re: [Fot] Free stuff >> Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find >> new> > homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a > Spitfire> > 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing > the> > main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The > pinion> > bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This > is> > an 83mm, without cam bearings.> If anyone wants any of these items please > contact me off list. If not, in a> couple of weeks they will be swimming > with > the fishes. > Thanks - Ed - > > > Wher do you live? > > John From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 13:59:14 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff In-Reply-To: <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> Message-ID: > Ed's shop is officially in Haltom City, TX. Just west of DFW airport on Hwy > #121 Well then... Sorry, I'm not interested. John H. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Jan 4 16:48:22 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question Message-ID: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I stripped the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around the wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I heat them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to me... Mark From Billb at bnj.com Sun Jan 4 17:12:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:12:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: It will anneal them, which is not exactly the reknitting process you hope for, but it might relieve enough of the work hardening to keep them from breaking right away. You need to make sure to let the metal cool very slowly. On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend > around the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If > I heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit > eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry > good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 17:18:50 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:18:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals Message-ID: <406003.25909.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> To all those who responded to my plea for assistance, many thanks for the suggestions (and the comic relief); it turned out to be bad grounds. Bob Blake From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 4 17:35:01 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:35:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 aluminum Interior panels Message-ID: <98E28EE3-710D-4917-8C74-88ECACE937A9@earthlink.net> There's a guy with an auto interior shop in OH, found him on Ebay who's made me an aluminum rear seat "Back" for my TR3. He went ahead and made door panels and other pieces too to try and sell. I'll post the link when it goes live in case anyone out there wants to take a look. ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:45:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals References: <406003.25909.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glad to hear you've got it licked..... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals > To all those who responded to my plea for assistance, many thanks for the > suggestions (and the comic relief); it turned out to be bad grounds. > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:59:37 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:59:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Air Cleaner - TR6 Message-ID: <000001c96ed0$e23ad850$a6b088f0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have a stock air cleaner with filter from my formerly, dual Stromberg carb 1969 TR6 if anyone is interested. It is in excellent condition. Item is free, just reimburse for shipping from N.CA. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From chasgee at aol.com Sun Jan 4 18:59:20 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:59:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <8CB3CF05C043A80-182C-1690@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Actually, the cooling rate is not that important because the tabs are made from very mild (low carbon) steel.? Heat them up until they glow orange a little and just let them air cool.? Should be OK if they aren't already cracked. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mark Eginton Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question It will anneal them, which is not exactly the reknitting process you hope for, but it might relieve enough of the work hardening to keep them from breaking right away. You need to make sure to let the metal cool very slowly. On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend > around the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If > I heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit > eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry > good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Sun Jan 4 19:03:04 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:03:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith Stomberg 175CDs for the TR4A Message-ID: <8CB3CF0E1281CC0-182C-16BE@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Hello all, Does anyone have a set of strombergs off of a TR4/4A that they don't want anymore?? I would like the ones without the smog stuff on them, i.e., not the ones used for the TR250 or TR6. Let me know how much you want for them. Thanks, Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer Soon to be GT6 Racer From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jan 4 22:49:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Metal Question > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around > the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I > heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Jan 4 23:38:55 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:38:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> Message-ID: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Sacrilege!!! Rocky Entriken wrote: > Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. > > --Rocky From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 00:42:47 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:42:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <49366D2AC9CB47AF93234CE35ED253FC@rocky> Yep! :-) My Spitfire (race-prepped) is 45 years old now. I'm mindful there are things on it never intended to survive a half-century. Whatever's on it that could be age-stressed by now has been. Best example, the loops at the front and rear of the frame that originally were basically meant to be used ONCE to tie the car down to a ship's deck for transport to the colonies (I wonder if Spits in the motherland had them?). I've used them over and over again to tie mine to the trailer, and I've broken them too and had them all seam-welded for added strength. Almost none of my wiring uses those original clips. As often as not because I found a better way. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Mark Eginton" ; Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Sacrilege!!! > > > > Rocky Entriken wrote: > >> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >> >> --Rocky From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 01:03:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:03:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <49366D2AC9CB47AF93234CE35ED253FC@rocky> Message-ID: <9FFB1DEE12CE480C8581E75AEBFC2BF5@Bud> Wow..thanks Rocky......I don't often think about the fact that my Spitfire race car is about 42 now...this is really terrific stuff..About the passion we have for our cars..It's really much more than just racing... Good Night Gang Racer Bud..Spitfire #21...CSRG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Justin Wagner" Cc: ; "Mark Eginton" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Yep! :-) > > My Spitfire (race-prepped) is 45 years old now. I'm mindful there are > things on it never intended to survive a half-century. Whatever's on it > that could be age-stressed by now has been. Best example, the loops at the > front and rear of the frame that originally were basically meant to be > used ONCE to tie the car down to a ship's deck for transport to the > colonies (I wonder if Spits in the motherland had them?). I've used them > over and over again to tie mine to the trailer, and I've broken them too > and had them all seam-welded for added strength. > > Almost none of my wiring uses those original clips. As often as not > because I found a better way. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Wagner" > To: "Rocky Entriken" > Cc: "Mark Eginton" ; > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> Sacrilege!!! >> >> >> >> Rocky Entriken wrote: >> >>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>> >>> --Rocky > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 07:13:37 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: Maybe this might be offtopic though I want to tell about yield strength of steel. When parts are bended several times back and forth more and more of the steel has plasticized and starts to crack. >From this point on the next step is cracking caused by shearing of the steel grains. Annealing don't help if the steel shows cracking's. Annealing does help to relive the imprinted tension of a bending but this bending might be once or maximum twice over the plasticize border. You have to bring the temperature beyond 4300C for a certain while and cool it not too fast. I hope you did understand this because my English is very limited offside from car themes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Montag, 5. Januar 2009 00:48 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Metal Question As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I stripped the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around the wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I heat them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to me... Mark Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jan 5 08:02:45 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:02:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > Sacrilege!!! I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies made so you could weld in new... But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above original. And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. rml p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some of the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 5 08:37:57 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:37:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> For areas where the wires / tubes / whatever go in and out frequently, Velcro can be handy. I still largely have the original metal thingies though. - Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 1/5/2009, Robert Lang wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > >>Sacrilege!!! > >I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies >made so you could weld in new... > >But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above >original. And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. > >rml > >p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some >of the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 5 11:04:35 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:04:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FA53E0@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I still largely have the original metal thingies though.>> As do I. I just try to bend mine in a different part of the strap-thingie whenever I use them. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question For areas where the wires / tubes / whatever go in and out frequently, Velcro can be handy. I still largely have the original metal thingies though. - Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 1/5/2009, Robert Lang wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > >>Sacrilege!!! > >I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies >made so you could weld in new... > >But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above original. >And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. > >rml > >p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some of >the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jan 5 12:50:40 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:50:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to support the wires. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM To: Rocky Entriken Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Sacrilege!!! Rocky Entriken wrote: > Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. > > --Rocky Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Jan 5 13:29:53 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> Message-ID: <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech modern solutions! Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! --Justin From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 16:08:38 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:08:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing >cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? > > On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't > want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a > Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half > a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. > Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? > > It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this > one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech > modern solutions! > > Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By > all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think > that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly > tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! > > --Justin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 16:47:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:47:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: I use the standard filler cap from Triumph. Never complaint about that at scrutineering I just have to use a tape strap to safety the cap. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Rocky Entriken Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 00:09 An: Justin Wagner; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing >cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? > > On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't > want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a > Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half > a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. > Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? > > It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this > one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech > modern solutions! > > Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By > all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think > that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly > tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! > > --Justin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Jan 5 17:09:20 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on experiences. Thanks Terry O'Beirne From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Mon Jan 5 17:11:38 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:11:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> Message-ID: <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely at Riverside). This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time capsule. Happy new year to all and thanks again... M Tim Murphy wrote: > Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good > also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to > support the wires. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Justin Wagner > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM > To: Rocky Entriken > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > Sacrilege!!! > > > > Rocky Entriken wrote: > > >> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >> >> --Rocky >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jan 5 17:28:09 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stomberg carbs Message-ID: <8CB3DACC921C4CA-11B4-1703@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all who responded, but I now have what I need. By the way, if anyone needs GT6 parts let me know.? I have a couple of cars with lots of good stuff that I won't likely use. Chuck From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 19:05:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:05:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com><49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark...If by tape you mean regular tape such as Racers Tape...I strongly suggest you use something more solid, like a metal strap..Also.. even with a metal strap, the stock Triumph filler will not be sealed tightly in a rollover...and will leak heavily...I have my original cap in place for cosmetics, ..my fuel cell is in the trunk.. Racer bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I use the standard filler cap from Triumph. Never complaint about that at > scrutineering I just have to use a tape strap to safety the cap. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Rocky Entriken > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 00:09 > An: Justin Wagner; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. > > Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our > LBCs > > to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them > distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my > car > for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just > there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. > (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) > > A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class > car. > > A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My > favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Wagner" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >>I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. >>Racing > >>cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >>serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? >> >> On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't >> want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a >> Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half >> a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. >> Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? >> >> It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this >> one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech >> modern solutions! >> >> Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By >> all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think >> that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly >> tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! >> >> --Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 19:23:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:23:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the way your dad had it... you're doing wonderful stuff! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: "Tim Murphy" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. > > My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this > holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my dad > welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and sending a > tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending in a > permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely at > Riverside). > > This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding > stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time > capsule. > > Happy new year to all and thanks again... > > M > > Tim Murphy wrote: >> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to >> support the wires. >> >> Tim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >> To: Rocky Entriken >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >> >> Sacrilege!!! >> >> >> >> Rocky Entriken wrote: >> >> >>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>> >>> --Rocky >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 5 19:57:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:57:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <86782566-B04B-4654-821D-69E4134B8508@bnj.com> Flip caps are not illegal, they just need to be secured with a safety device. On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. > > Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with > our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make > them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas > filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected > to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk > lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race > cars.) > > A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified > class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still > Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" > > To: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" >> reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment >> to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs >> be any different? >> >> On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we >> don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't >> really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails >> after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just >> struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal >> tabs 20 or 30 years from now? >> >> It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save >> this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with >> low tech modern solutions! >> >> Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of >> racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's >> just nice to think that because of such discussions there may >> still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for >> future generations to ponder! >> >> --Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 5 19:58:21 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:58:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity and mount a regulator close to your carbs. On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > pump. It > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > delivery > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > experiences. > Thanks > Terry O'Beirne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 20:49:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> <86782566-B04B-4654-821D-69E4134B8508@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5C0A641E58F54FA0897B2DE1D3D6EAB2@rocky> 2009 GCR 9.3.26.3 [Pg. 80 --very first sentence]: "A positive locking fuel filler cap (no Monza/flip type) shall be used." I see no ambiguity there -- the portion in parentheses IS in the rule -- NO flip-type caps. Not, at least, in SCCA racing. I even got called on mine once, until (in full evil grin mode) I opened the trunk to show the fuel cell. My flip cap is perfectly legal as long as no actual fuel passes through it! ;-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Rocky Entriken Cc: Justin Wagner ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Flip caps are not illegal, they just need to be secured with a safety device. On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech modern solutions! Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! --Justin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 01:32:58 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:32:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto Message-ID: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Greetings from Finland! I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event last summer. Please have a look at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens that quite a lot). Regards Jari From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 01:43:41 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:43:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, whre you can se some older shootage as well: http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ Regards Jari Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > Greetings from Finland! > > I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event > last summer. Please have a look at: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 > > The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely > the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the > route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires > some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers > instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving > there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens > that quite a lot). > > Regards > Jari > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 6 04:08:50 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. Jari Tabell wrote: > Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, > whre you can se some older shootage as well: > http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ > > Regards > Jari > > > Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >> Greetings from Finland! >> >> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >> last summer. Please have a look at: >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >> >> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires >> some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers >> instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving >> there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens >> that quite a lot). >> >> Regards >> Jari >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 05:08:17 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:08:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... Bob kirjoitti: > I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't > come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. > > Jari Tabell wrote: >> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >> >> Regards >> Jari >> >> >> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>> Greetings from Finland! >>> >>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>> >>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires >>> some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre >>> barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes >>> make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera >>> view flattens that quite a lot). >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jan 6 07:28:41 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:28:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> I recommend the tried and true uncle jack pump and regulator - the holley blue pump with regulator - there are two models of regulator you can request, the lower pressure one is good for one to four psi. We went through many combinations before arriving at this. My experience with the Webers says that they don't like much more than 2 to 2.5 PSI or you overcome the "needle valve" (really more like a grose jet). So you end up with a regulator. If you have a regulator that tries to drop the pressure by only a couple of PSI, you end up with really hard to diagnose intermittent fuel delivery problems. If you give the regulator enough pressure to work with, then it's reliable. That's what the Holley Blue setup does. This has worked on a number of cars. It's certainly not the ONLY way to go, though. As Bill mentions, put the pump next to the fuel cell and the regulator next to the carbs. Use large fuel line, like -6 (or 3/8"). Here's a link to this setup on the Pegasus website: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 - Tony Drews At 08:58 PM 1/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity >and mount a regulator close to your carbs. >On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > > pump. It > > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > > delivery > > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > > experiences. > > Thanks > > Terry O'Beirne > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 07:35:50 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:35:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use a Mitsuba fuel pump. Works fine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 15:29 An: Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query I recommend the tried and true uncle jack pump and regulator - the holley blue pump with regulator - there are two models of regulator you can request, the lower pressure one is good for one to four psi. We went through many combinations before arriving at this. My experience with the Webers says that they don't like much more than 2 to 2.5 PSI or you overcome the "needle valve" (really more like a grose jet). So you end up with a regulator. If you have a regulator that tries to drop the pressure by only a couple of PSI, you end up with really hard to diagnose intermittent fuel delivery problems. If you give the regulator enough pressure to work with, then it's reliable. That's what the Holley Blue setup does. This has worked on a number of cars. It's certainly not the ONLY way to go, though. As Bill mentions, put the pump next to the fuel cell and the regulator next to the carbs. Use large fuel line, like -6 (or 3/8"). Here's a link to this setup on the Pegasus website: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 - Tony Drews At 08:58 PM 1/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity >and mount a regulator close to your carbs. >On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > > pump. It > > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > > delivery > > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > > experiences. > > Thanks > > Terry O'Beirne > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 08:09:53 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:09:53 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you think when watching those photos... Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... > > Bob kirjoitti: >> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >> >> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>> >>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>> >>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 6 08:32:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:32 EST Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2009 5:09:17 AM Central Standard Time, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes: > I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't > come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. > You can put my early TR3 race car down as having one. Original ignition key and the key fob is an SU wrench. Now that's VINTAGE. Bill Dentinger ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 08:42:59 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:42:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: It makes me thinking why the following cars don't slow down? Some of them are heading with smoking wheels into the accident. If I see parts flying around in front of me I slow down a lot and have a look first before go there with speed. Should have been yellow flagged? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jari Tabell Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 16:10 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ahvenisto Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you think when watching those photos... Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... > > Bob kirjoitti: >> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >> >> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>> >>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>> >>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 09:32:41 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:32:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> Yes, there has been a lot of discussion about this incident here, and these photos have been a very good evidence of what really happened. Actually, the Opel #68 was sideways already before the black BMW hit it. So the driver of the BMW couldn't do anything but braking as hard as possible. When the orange BMW arrived, there were yellow flags waving and the air full of smoke and car parts already. It's difficult to say why he didn't realize what was happening. Anyway, I think that this a very good reminder that it's good to lift off whenever you see something strange happening. Jari MadMarx kirjoitti: > It makes me thinking why the following cars don't slow down? > Some of them are heading with smoking wheels into the accident. > If I see parts flying around in front of me I slow down a lot and have a > look first before go there with speed. > Should have been yellow flagged? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jari Tabell > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 16:10 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ahvenisto > > Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years > we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: > http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 > > Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver > of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you > think when watching those photos... > > Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > >> That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... >> >> Bob kirjoitti: >> >>> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >>> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >>> >>> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> >>>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> >>>> >>>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> >>>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>>> >>>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>>> >>>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Jari >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Fot mailing list >>>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jan 6 09:38:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Jari Tabell wrote: > Yes, there has been a lot of discussion about this incident here, and > these photos have been a very good evidence of what really happened. > Actually, the Opel #68 was sideways already before the black BMW hit it. > So the driver of the BMW couldn't do anything but braking as hard as > possible. When the orange BMW arrived, there were yellow flags waving > and the air full of smoke and car parts already. It's difficult to say > why he didn't realize what was happening. It looked to me like the BMWs were ganging up on the Opel! Yikes. Hopefully, the Open driver wasn't hurt too bad. It looks like he took a pretty good shot the second time he was hit. > Anyway, I think that this a very good reminder that it's good to lift > off whenever you see something strange happening. ... and you're not balls deep in the corner. Otherwise, it's spin city! > Jari rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 16:00:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:00:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: What a lovely track layout. That must be fun. Very hard to overtake there it seems. Your outside attack must have confused the Mini driver. How does the video ends? Did you stay in front of the Mini? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jari Tabell Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 09:33 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Ahvenisto Greetings from Finland! I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event last summer. Please have a look at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens that quite a lot). Regards Jari Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:48:49 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:48:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> Message-ID: <49642621.70103@twcny.rr.com> Yea, I get sentimental around this one, its been around my whole life. I remember it at Justice Buick in New Jersey in 1959 when my parents bought it. I was only 4 then but I knew it was a big deal that we were getting a shiny New Red Triumph (2 yrs old), my dad had an old fade-2-pink TR 2 at the time. My brother and I were ecstatic that there was carpet behind the seats where we always rode, carseats - not-so-much, heck - this one didn't even have a jumpseat, but we were styling. In 1961 we moved to Southern California crossing the US in the 2 TRs. Mom raced it also; "Powderpuff" I think they called it. Actually she has more 1st place trophies than dad which always tweaked him. They have great stories and I have a few memories of literally racing for 3000 miles... Its been mine since I was 11, took my first date out in it (talk about a beater - the car I mean). It was the first car I ever got airborne... nuf said M RACER BUD wrote: > hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the > way your dad had it... > you're doing wonderful stuff! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: "Tim Murphy" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. >> >> My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car >> this holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell >> that my dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front >> axels and sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it >> skyward ending in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the >> early 60s (likely at Riverside). >> >> This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding >> stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time >> capsule. >> >> Happy new year to all and thanks again... >> >> M >> >> Tim Murphy wrote: >>> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >>> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only >>> have to >>> support the wires. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >>> To: Rocky Entriken >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >>> >>> Sacrilege!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky Entriken wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>>> >>>> --Rocky >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:53:21 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question Message-ID: <000901c9707b$7bfe1ff0$6501a8c0@HP> Makes a lot of sense Thanks M From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jan 6 21:17:01 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:17:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: Terry, I agree with you on the Carter pump but I still use a Holley regulator to drop the pressure. I also found that it helps to have two feeds between the three carbs on a common line to give each carb equal pressure. Mike Munson http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on experiences. Thanks Terry O'Beirne From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 21:37:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:37:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> <49642621.70103@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: That is a WONDERFUL story.. thanks for sharing it Friend.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Tim Murphy" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Yea, I get sentimental around this one, its been around my whole life. I > remember it at Justice Buick in New Jersey in 1959 when my parents bought > it. I was only 4 then but I knew it was a big deal that we were getting a > shiny New Red Triumph (2 yrs old), my dad had an old fade-2-pink TR 2 at > the time. My brother and I were ecstatic that there was carpet behind the > seats where we always rode, carseats - not-so-much, heck - this one didn't > even have a jumpseat, but we were styling. > > In 1961 we moved to Southern California crossing the US in the 2 TRs. Mom > raced it also; "Powderpuff" I think they called it. Actually she has more > 1st place trophies than dad which always tweaked him. They have great > stories and I have a few memories of literally racing for 3000 miles... > > Its been mine since I was 11, took my first date out in it (talk about a > beater - the car I mean). It was the first car I ever got airborne... > > nuf said > > M > > > > RACER BUD wrote: >> hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the way >> your dad had it... >> you're doing wonderful stuff! >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" >> >> To: "Tim Murphy" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >> >> >>> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. >>> >>> My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this >>> holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my >>> dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and >>> sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending >>> in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely >>> at Riverside). >>> >>> This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding >>> stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time >>> capsule. >>> >>> Happy new year to all and thanks again... >>> >>> M >>> >>> Tim Murphy wrote: >>>> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >>>> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have >>>> to >>>> support the wires. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>>> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >>>> To: Rocky Entriken >>>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >>>> >>>> Sacrilege!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Entriken wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>>>> >>>>> --Rocky >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jan 7 00:25:43 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:25:43 EST Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:24:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 > From: "Terry and Cindy" > Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query > To: > Message-ID: > <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com at Rat01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > experiences. > Thanks > Terry O'Beirne > > Hi Terry, I know nothing about Carter fuel pumps. I have been using Facet Silver Top Competition Unit part # 480530 for some years now, with no issues. I also use a Malpassi Filter King Fuel Regulator, (the one without the filter) I would NOT use a Triple Webers without an adjustable fuel regulator. I use a Stewart Warner electric Fuel Pressure gauge to keep an eye on what is happening. Ideal fuel pressure for my set-up seems to be between 1= - 2= psi depending on whether I am driving in town or on the interstate, (my car is a fast road rather than a race car). For filters, I use the glass cylinders with renewable nylon filters, although for race use you may prefer to use something without glass, but I advise to avoid paper filters. Regards Leon F Guyot http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Jan 7 09:44:23 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6 Triple carbs for sale Message-ID: <20090107164437.7A75E187878@autox.team.net> I have listed for sale a Dellorto DHLA 40 triple carb setup for a TR6/GT6 complete with linkage and Cannon late model TR6 intake manifold on ebaymotors. Item# 330298711417. In case anyone at FOT has a need or interest. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 30892 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Jan 7 12:48:32 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:48:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Rolling chassis's for sale Message-ID: <200901071248624.SM07304@[166.70.182.40]> Part of our move to Kentucky requires us to downsize our fleet of Triumphs.B With that in mind we have the following rolling chassis's available. TR4 rolling chassis with tub.B Tub is in relatively good shape.B Definitely worth restoring.B This would be a good candidate for someone that had a body that is worthless but otherwise complete. TR3 rolling chassis.B Very good shape.B Will likely need sand blasting. TR4 frame.B Will need sand blasting but in excellent shape. All are located just south of Little Rock Arkansas. Thanks, Brad From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jan 8 06:51:34 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:51:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7417DA64-769C-4F52-B133-2214EFD23B3B@wi.rr.com> Webers are very sensitive to fuel pressure. You need to run a regulator and the range should be between 1.5 - 2 lbs. otherwise you will experience "stumble". I run triple 40 DCOE's on my TR6. Allen On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:24:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > >> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 >> From: "Terry and Cindy" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query >> To: >> Message-ID: >> <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com at Rat01> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter >> pump. > It >> seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI >> delivery >> but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is >> not >> needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based >> on >> experiences. >> Thanks >> Terry O'Beirne >> >> Hi Terry, > > > I know nothing about Carter fuel pumps. > > I have been using Facet Silver Top Competition Unit part # 480530 > for some > years now, with no issues. > > I also use a Malpassi Filter King Fuel Regulator, (the one without the > filter) > > I would NOT use a Triple Webers without an adjustable fuel regulator. > > I use a Stewart Warner electric Fuel Pressure gauge to keep an eye > on what is > happening. > > Ideal fuel pressure for my set-up seems to be between 1= - 2= psi > depending > on whether I am driving in town or on the interstate, (my car is a > fast road > rather than a race car). > > For filters, I use the glass cylinders with renewable nylon filters, > although > for race use you may prefer to use something without glass, but I > advise to > avoid paper filters. > > Regards > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho > ts.com/user/vitesse1963 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jan 9 14:07:10 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:07:10 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: I hear there are videos out there on Group 44. One is called the White Wave. Does anybody have this? I need these for our Group 44 dinner Thursday April 30th at The Mitty. By the way, the Group 44 Tribute is making very good progress. Bob Tullius will be our grand marshall and most of the team and the cars are will be there. Some details are at our site, but I will make a more formal invite when I get a few more details together. I asked earlier and got some response, but if you own one of these cars, or know of someone who does, please contact me. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 10 14:48:27 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hauling request Message-ID: <496917AB.1080709@cfl.rr.com> Anyone traveling empty or with enough room to haul a TR3 frame from the Little Rock area to Orlando FL area? thxx, Bob From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jan 11 10:10:21 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:10:21 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: Mike Cook is assisting me with the Videos. Thanks to all who responded. We want to use them at the Thursday night Group 44 dinner and tribute to Bob Tullius. This will be semi-private function, but tickets will be made available to FOT members as soon as I get details worked out. As far as run groups go, we want to attract as many FOT members as possible, and see this as the unoffical, official east coast FOT event, as many can't go to Portland. The HSR is usually amenable to a Triumph group if we get enough entrants, which we should be able to do. Jack Whoerle has been involved before, on loan from SVRA to HSR, for the weekend. I will formally ask that this happen again, as Jack speaks our language and did agreat job looking out for our interests. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From JWoesvra at aol.com Sun Jan 11 10:13:11 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:13:11 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: Thanks for the confidence. I would be happy to help as long as you get HSR's blessing. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/11/2009 12:10:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, GRMTim at aol.com writes: The HSR is usually amenable to a Triumph group if we get enough entrants, which we should be able to do. Jack Whoerle has been involved before, on loan from SVRA to HSR, for the weekend. I will formally ask that this happen again, as Jack speaks our language and did agreat job looking out for our interests. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jan 12 12:14:36 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes Message-ID: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Hello FOTers, Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with? Thanks, Chuck Gee From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Jan 12 16:03:07 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:03:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wheels Message-ID: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been slightly flared). I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern and offset. Can anyone confirm this? If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am interested. Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 32147 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 12 16:18:30 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheels In-Reply-To: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> References: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <496BCFC6.9090807@cfl.rr.com> Same bolt pattern but are normally 14 inch. Walter Hollowell wrote: > For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking > Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been > slightly flared). > I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern > and offset. Can anyone confirm this? > If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am > interested. > Thank You > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, NM > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 32147 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Jan 12 16:29:28 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes References: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c9750d$9dd0a0d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Chuck, I think Ted Schumacher at TSI sells a set of CR gears for that gearbox. No financial interest; I just always thought Ted's a good guy. Lots of snow and cold here in Erie. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes > Hello FOTers, > > Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Jan 12 17:09:40 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:09:40 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes Message-ID: Yes, I can confirm that Ted has them as I have been discussing a set with him. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jan 13 07:45:36 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] wheels In-Reply-To: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Walt, Yes they are the same. The 15x7" wheels we use on the front and back are 0 offset. I don't know about 6" wheels. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheels For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been slightly flared). I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern and offset. Can anyone confirm this? If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am interested. Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 13 08:07:32 2009 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Parts & Salvage Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Millar" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:30 AM Subject: Parts & Salvage Dear Sirs We are breaking over 1000 sports cars including over 200 TVR models. If you need parts for any TVR model drop us a line. We also have at least 350 damage repairable vehicles for sale at www.douglasvalley.co.uk click on salvage. Three sites in the UK and one in Perth W A. regards Jason Millar www.douglasvalley.co.uk email Jason at douglasvalley.co.uk 441257424695 salvage 441257472866 parts From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 13 08:24:20 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes In-Reply-To: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have an original Factory close ratio gearbox. 1.88 first, 1.46 second, 1.23 third, 1.0 fourth. Fourth gear has some chips, but the box works just fine. Shifter included. $2,000 US plus shipping. Sam Halkias> To: FOT at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:36 -0500> From: chasgee at aol.com> Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes> > Hello FOTers,> > Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with?> > Thanks,> > Chuck Gee> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 From bfeken at copper.net Tue Jan 13 11:01:12 2009 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:01:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3A-TR6 close ratio gears Message-ID: <002901c975a8$ecd35c40$225afb48@keng> FOT, I had a conversation with Pete Cox this AM about future supplies of close ratio gear sets. He tells me that some 50 sets have been ordered & that some of the new gears have begun to arrive. He expects to have them available by early February. Ken Gillanders BFE From lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jan 13 11:00:56 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:00:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weekend at the Glen Message-ID: Hello All, Neat little article in Moss' new issue of British Motoring. Rekindles some great memories of that wonderful event. Top picture is a great action shot of Tony in the 250K. And to my surprise has perhaps the smallest identifiable picture I'll ever see of my car [purple and yellow does tend to stand out in a crowd!]. The second pic. shows that all one has to do is R&R a head trackside and win the Bill Ames award and they start mistaking you for Kas Kastner - right Larry? [my apologies if that is you Kas, presenting the award, but I don't think so] Best New Year wishes to all, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From jmwagner at greenheart.com Tue Jan 13 11:04:31 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:04:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Off Topic, but worth checking out. Message-ID: <496CD7AF.8060903@greenheart.com> Check this out.... It works!!! Very cool! Follow link for video explanation of the free service. --Justin Wagner Dial from any phone 1-800-GOOG-411 (1-800-466-4411) http://www.google.com/goog411/ From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Jan 13 15:33:16 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <000401c975ce$ecb1d882$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Kudos SVRA... From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Jan 13 18:01:16 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <000401c975ce$ecb1d882$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EB1C@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-7N7LDG?OpenDocument The link got stripped from my last message... -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Kudos SVRA... From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jan 13 18:42:46 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:42:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 65' Spit racer 4 Sale Message-ID: Fairly sorted out RMVR car, 1296 40+, O.D. rollers w/ open trlr. stored inside. Owner motivated. Contact Alan @ 303 601-0017 alaneha at yahoo.com thanks, Kevin From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 10:08:56 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011420091708.16243.496E1C2800092B2A00003F732213539653CE08019D099C@comcast.net> Hey, Henry, copy that! All last year I wore the $900 "budget" HANS with the sliding tethers and never even noticed it was on. After seeing Sid Lessard's Spitfire (same year as mine) impale the turn 9 guardrail head-on at the Glen last year (VRG), my first thought was "wow, I hope he was wearing a HANS, and I'm sure glad I am!" Good call, SVRA, in my opinion. Steve Groh SVRA 393 Spitfire -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Henry Frye" > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-7N7LDG?OpenDocument > > The link got stripped from my last message... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Frye > Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > Kudos SVRA... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:04:35 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:04:35 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 11:09:58 AM Central Standard Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: > Hey, Henry, copy that! All last year I wore the $900 "budget" HANS with > the sliding tethers and never even noticed it was on. After seeing Sid > Lessard's Spitfire (same year as mine) impale the turn 9 guardrail head-on at the > Glen last year (VRG), my first thought was "wow, I hope he was wearing a HANS, > and I'm sure glad I am!" > Good call, SVRA, in my opinion. > I am a long time member of SVRA, and have great respect for their professional approach to such matters. I commend them on their dedication to safety issues. This head restraint issue is especially important with our hobby's recent experience (our own Jack Drews, Surjit Hermon, etc.). But making it mandatory for everyone but Pre-World War II cars with seven months notice strikes me as a little radical. SCCA, VSCDA and many others still have this issue as 'Highly Recommended', allowing it to be remain a personal decision. They are all in favor of such devices, but have not made them mandatory. I bite my tongue for appearing to throw stones at someone who wants to protect me. I should be thanking them. But if it is critically important and needs to be mandatory, why waive the issue for Prewar cars? I can think of several that go faster than I do, and they have antique steering and brakes. Just my thoughts... Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:23:00 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:23:00 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You cannot use a HANS device without those. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:09:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: why waive the issue for Prewar cars? I can think of several that go faster than I do, and they have antique steering and brakes. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 14 12:35:30 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:35:30 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: FOT: The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative merits of organizations and locations. Thanks, Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 12:39:52 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VTR..Gary horskorta Message-ID: <74085F59B6934B519365A2DD1791E462@Bud> Great coverage of Watkins Glen Triumph event in the new VTR mag...Good Job Gary Horskorta for the coverage and excellent photos..The cover photo of Jeff Snook and Henry Frye is Fantastic! Racer Bud From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:47:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:32 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You > cannot use a HANS device without those. > Jack... SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But I have to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, shoulder straps, head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I know the answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to chase them away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from our events who used to come regularly. A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety equipment to make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some personal decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 %26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 14:30:40 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:30:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <27299926.1231968640496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One of the larger groups of Pre-war cars comes out of VSCCA. They dont even require drivers to have a doctor sign a medical form so its not surprizing that they also dont have roll bars, shoulder belts or fuel cells. Its not they dont love their drivers, it's as was explained very carefully to me once...driving their cars is one of the few reasons some of these guys are still around. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 14, 2009 2:47 PM >To: JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra >writes: > > >> Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You >> cannot use a HANS device without those. >> >Jack... >SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers >in the Prewar Group? > >I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But I have >to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, shoulder straps, >head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I know the >answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to chase them >away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from our events >who used to come regularly. > >A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety equipment to >make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some personal >decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just >2 easy steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 >%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 14:32:52 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: <18805151.1231968772928.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sebring 12 hr support race. You want spectacle racing, this is it. -----Original Message----- >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Sent: Jan 14, 2009 2:35 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months > >FOT: > >The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. > >What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, >distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... > >My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: > >The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR >Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA > >Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where >the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative >merits of organizations and locations. > >Thanks, > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Jan 14 14:55:13 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:55:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Triumph Ghetto will be assembled at VIR in April for the VDCA track time extravaganza as usual. All Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are welcome to join us for Surf 'n Turf dinner in the Ghetto on Friday night. I believe it's the weekend of April 10-13. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months FOT: The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative merits of organizations and locations. Thanks, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 14 16:43:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:43:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level with very rare exception. On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:47 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, > JWoesvra > writes: > > >> Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder >> harnesses. You >> cannot use a HANS device without those. >> > Jack... > SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do > the racers > in the Prewar Group? > > I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But > I have > to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, > shoulder straps, > head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I > know the > answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to > chase them > away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from > our events > who used to come regularly. > > A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety > equipment to > make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some > personal > decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 > %26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 14 17:18:28 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713194.36465.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes - VDCA at VIR April 10-13 is #1 - VSCDA at Gingerman April 30-May 3 could be my second event - VSCDA at Blackhawk June 19-21 is a sure thing Dennis DeLap From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:00:59 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:00:59 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:05:06 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:05:06 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: Not a lot of track time but loads of excitement and history. We have never featured Triumph at Sebring. We can do it though. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 4:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grandwazoo at earthlink.net writes: Sebring 12 hr support race. You want spectacle racing, this is it. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 18:18:38 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > BillDentin > writes: > > SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the > racers > in the Prewar Group? > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 19:14:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:14:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: <0C738310BB3941FF82E7377FA351D9F8@Bud> I don't know about Lime Rock, but Peter Giddings in his pre-war Alfa turns about 2:09 at Infineon..faster than most 50's-late 60's production vintage racers..It takes real 'stuff' to drive those things fast..skinny wheels that bend..sideways all the time.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > >> PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their >> agony? >> >> Jack Woehrle >> SVRA Technical Director >> jwoesvra at aol.com >> 803-463-5388 >> FAX 803-794-8747 >> 701 Center Street >> West Columbia, SC 29169 >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> BillDentin >> writes: >> >> SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the >> racers >> in the Prewar Group? >> >> >> >> **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >> capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jan 14 20:49:05 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <496EB231.10507@bradakis.com> You may remember a while back I was asking about a second gear scrunch in a TR6 gearbox I'd recently rebuilt. Finally pulled it out of the car and tore it down. Interesting. The fact that I measured good clearance on the the second gear synchro was due to the chunks of metal wedged in there. The distance washer at the back end of the second gear tophat had crumbled apart. The bronze tophat itself had not broken apart, though it was cracked and chewed up a fair amount on the small end. We surmise that it happened as a result of a missing cotter pin on the diff flange. Around the end of august the nut came loose, the pinion worked its way out of the bearings and into the carrier. It resulted in the car coming to an abrupt and less than graceful halt, as the owner related. My money is on the car being in second gear when it happened. Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 14 21:40:23 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:40:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed In-Reply-To: <496EB231.10507@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20090115044023.PQCT15744.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > Moss part number is > 847-065, Stanpart would be 216802. I might have one, but I'd have to dig around for it and won't be able to check until the weekend. Do the later gears have a different number of teeth? Randall From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 06:31:12 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:31:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <14053872.135718.1232026272195.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Mark; I will look thru my collection of gears this morning. If the gears haven't been changed your's should have: Symmetrical dog teeth Bronze bushings Synchronizer sleeves with wide grooves at the ends Later tooth profile The part NO. 216802 is correct for that serial number of gearbox, Provided no one has changed any of the gears to earlyer style. Will get back to you around lunch time. Dean T. Jan 14, 2009 11:03:33 PM, mark at bradakis.com wrote: Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 07:09:45 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 07:48:11 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:48:11 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti w/blowers, etc. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 07:56:07 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:56:07 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:48:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:01:58 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:01:58 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/15/2009 8:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? > Just one. The other one developed a fuel pick up issue during a dive bomb pass trying to get by me. Bill ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:17:02 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:17:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <21158569.1232032622135.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ben Bragg got the Old Grey Mare down to a 1'08" last fall, I believe. the OGM is a ford flathead powered special that is - to put it mildly - technologically pretty agricultural but Ben is a superb driver. There are prewar GP cars that should be two seconds or more faster. Peter Giddings has certainly been well under 1'10" in the Maserati. Kind regards, jimdonick VSCCA Editor -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM >To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, >19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > > >> What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? > >I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex >Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my >knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone >else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti >w/blowers, etc. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:27:47 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Henry, With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our policies anyway. There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when technology is available to do so. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:32:24 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:32:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <30728332.1232033544999.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ben Bragg got the Old Grey Mare down to almost a 1'08" last fall, I believe. the OGM is a ford flathead powered special that is - to put it mildly - technologically pretty agricultural but Ben is a superb driver. There are prewar GP cars that should be two seconds or more faster. Peter Giddings has certainly been well under 1'10" in the Maserati and the Bugatti. Kind regards, jimdonick VSCCA Editor -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM >To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, >19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > > >> What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? > >I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex >Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my >knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone >else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti >w/blowers, etc. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:33:38 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:33:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Are any of your race cars street legal? I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your experiences or recommendations? If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad idea for a race car Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas Muffler: Supertrapp? Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. What would they look at at the DMV? ~Steve From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:41:29 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:41:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <22992212.1232034089363.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jeff Jacobson was the fast guy in the trike. He is capable on a very good day of getting down in the 1'10-ish space. I'm not sure he can get around much faster than that. jpd -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 10:01 AM >To: JWoesvra at aol.com, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/15/2009 8:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra >writes: > > >> Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? >> >Just one. The other one developed a fuel pick up issue during a dive bomb >pass trying to get by me. > >Bill > > > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 15 09:04:41 2009 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:04:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <957999.82573.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack: This is a very positive rule change. At Beaver Run last year in my spitfire, I was accelerating out of the hairpin up the hill at eleven onto the front stretch and was t-boned by a ginetta going backwards that had spun once in the braking zone at the end of the backstretch and cut across the wet grass backwards. He bent my frame (which runs down the center), ruined my tub, crushing, among other things the firewall bulkhead, and pushed my Nascar side bars (dual bars with three vertical supports) on the passenger side in 12 inches or more. I recieved a concussion and rib buises and the chin bar on my helmet was cracked where it hit my HANS device (going forward). I had installed a head and shoulder unit cup support system on my Kirkey seat, which also had rib and thigh supports. I was set up to pass inside another Ginetta and had just outbraked a Kurtis both of whom had no side protection at all. Drivers should buttress the HANS system with head and shoulder cups attached to their seats. Oesterle --- On Wed, 1/14/09, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: JWoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints To: BillDentin at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:00 PM PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 09:43:39 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:43:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With all due respect, I like to keep things in prespective. I do value my life but see many organizations bend the safety rules to increase car count when the entries start to thin out. The guy who was killed at Road America had his cause of death as "blunt trauma to head and chest" or something like that according to Vintage racecar Magazine. I don't see where the neck restraint would have helped him out as much as stopping the race to remove the disabled car that he hit would have. Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Henry, With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our policies anyway. There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when technology is available to do so. Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 09:48:24 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Compromises on both sides of course. I plan to do this with the AMBRO. It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to have the choice. Joe >Are any of your race cars street legal? > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >experiences or recommendations? > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >idea for a race car > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped >TR3. > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca Thu Jan 15 09:53:42 2009 From: Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca (Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jack. I welcome the discussion SVRA is implementing the use of the HANS devise. # 42 Triumph TR-8 Peter Bulkowski From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 09:57:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:46 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 5:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few > years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck > protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level > with very rare exception. > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing than I'll ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and I think they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all sorts of racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after incidents, cycle racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs dangling. In most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws on the books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the riders fight these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose to argue against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes down to a stand against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic laws. You know, "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business." Incidentally, it is NOT a personal issue for me. Wife Shirley is getting me a HANS device for my birthday. She was with me at GRATTAN the day Jack Drews was killed. That was last August. She gave me until the end of the year to get one on my own, and then 'mandated' it. That's seven months...pretty much the same as what SVRA is giving. Difference is, I can argue with SVRA if I choose to. I don't dare argue with Shirley. Bill Dentinger PS...Bill...I always meant to ask you. What did you think of GRATTAN when you raced there? It remains my favorite track. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 10:08:23 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is huge lobbying group that has as its sole purpose to overturn Helmet laws. They very powerful and have overturned the laws in every state they have entered, and are essentially just going down the list 'til they've done it in all fifty, they still have a few states left. The average motorcycle head injury runs $80K and the average insurance policy will cover about $40K the taxpayers pick up the balance. This could start a whole new discussion................Henry Morrison> From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:46 -0500> To: Billb at bnj.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > In a message dated 01/14/2009 5:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes:> > > > Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few > > years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck > > protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level > > with very rare exception. > > > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. > > I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing than I'll > ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and I think > they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all sorts of > racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after incidents, cycle > racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs dangling. In > most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather > authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. > > This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws on the > books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the riders fight > these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose to argue > against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes down to a stand > against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic laws. You know, > "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business."> > Incidentally, it is NOT a personal issue for me. Wife Shirley is getting me > a HANS device for my birthday. She was with me at GRATTAN the day Jack Drews > was killed. That was last August. She gave me until the end of the year to > get one on my own, and then 'mandated' it. That's seven months...pretty much > the same as what SVRA is giving. Difference is, I can argue with SVRA if I > choose to. I don't dare argue with Shirley. > > Bill Dentinger> > PS...Bill...I always meant to ask you. What did you think of GRATTAN when > you raced there? It remains my favorite track.> > > > > **************> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=> DecemailfooterNO62)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 15 10:14:58 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: My 64 Spit (Now Marty's) was street legal for a short while. Well, it had plates anyway and it was 'mostly' legal...It was legal in Wisconsin, which had some pretty lax definitions of 'street legal' at the time. Turn signals were ArmStrong, no generator/alternator, you had to plug in the battery when you got home, etc. I drove it down to the gas station one to put gas in it(2 blocks), and drove it from the storage location to the garage (about 11 miles) on slicks. It was fun.... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, wrote: > Compromises on both sides of course. > > I plan to do this with the AMBRO. > > It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to > have the choice. > > Joe > > >Are any of your race cars street legal? > > > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > >experiences or recommendations? > > > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > >idea for a race car > > > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > > > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > >TR3. > > > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > > > > >~Steve > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 10:20:00 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:20:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0f3a01c97735$7f5356f0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > What would they look at at the DMV? Definitely varies greatly with state (and even DMV office). Mine let me register a car that had no windshield, hood or trunk lid, and no rear fenders. The reason they gave for turning me down the first time was lack of seats. (But I also put on the steering wheel, doors, front apron and front fenders before going back.) Didn't have a title either, so they had me sign that the car had been in my possession and not on the street, etc. ... my new title is supposed to come from Sacramento by next month. But my DMV's supervisor is also president of the Studebaker club, so YMMV However, the police are rather more picky around here, they will stop you for no windshield. Apparently Brooklands style racing screens are OK, but you must have something. FWIW, I get by pretty good with the frame about 3.25" from the ground. Too high for a racecar, but anything lower drags too often on the street for my comfort, especially on parking lot speed bumps. One solution might be taller tires for street use; as you probably wouldn't want to wear out your race tires anyway. Supposedly in PA, you can't even lower the car without getting in trouble. They probably insist on proper bumpers as well. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 10:20:46 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:20:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> I think it's a great idea, but then I've considered making Peyote street legal so I could drive it to the track. Just one of those whacky ideas. My Ambro will definitely be street legal. Regs vary greatly from state to state, but in almost any state you can do a once-in-your-life special registration that covers almost any construction. the DMV is not generally interested in much, you don't even need headlights in most states . You need to find out local biases and talk to someone at the DMV. Talk to the local hot rodders and find where the most lenient inspectors are. On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of > some driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might > be my demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, > bad idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but > it's killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 10:21:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:21:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f3b01c97735$bbdd14d0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Still gonna, still gonna, still gonna die ... From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:23:08 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: You'l be happy to know it's still just as streatable. I drove it about 5 miles just before winter to stick it in a storage barn since my garage was going to be tied up over the winter with my TR4A/6 project and I didnt feel like draggin out the trailer. Got alot of funny looks on the road:) Thank goodnes I live in the sticks. Marty My 64 Spit (Now Marty's) was street legal for a short while. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 10:24:26 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:24:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011520091724.14912.496F714A000BB5CC00003A4022069997359705029A0002030E0B01019B@comcast.net> I got a HANS a week after Uncle Jack passed. I had planned on it all along but that did it for me. Outright death is not always the result of an overextended neck. Losing the use of my arms and legs is far worse for me. Just a chair for a quardraplegic is over ten times the cost of the HANS. I believe vintage racing as a whole are the last to mandate head restraints. NASA made them mandatory last year. It was an easy choice for me. Jim G. -------------- Original message -------------- From: > With all due respect, I like to keep things in prespective. I do value my > life but see many organizations bend the safety rules to increase car count > when the entries start to thin out. The guy who was killed at Road America > had his cause of death as "blunt trauma to head and chest" or something like > that according to Vintage racecar Magazine. I don't see where the neck > restraint would have helped him out as much as stopping the race to remove the > disabled car that he hit would have. Mandatory neck restraints have been > tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy > once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > Henry, > > With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you > have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our > policies anyway. > > There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been > sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to > understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a > hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when > technology is available to do so. > > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires > before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do > you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If > all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been > required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, > leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding > neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. > Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars > racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 10:30:51 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10ABD366-2F7A-4CFF-A9BE-DF789EDF1089@earthlink.net> Come on Henry, you DO wear a helmet to work - I've seen it! OK, so it was a "vintage" style aviator with goggles and scarf but it was still unmistakably you sticking up out oh that Healey - got a good laugh that day! Seriously though, I knew the writing was on the wall after last years tragedies. I'm not a fan of mandates of any sort but look at it this way - If they were to be mandated across all racing [which I think will happen eventually] maybe the cost would come down to something a bit more reasonable. Regarding the fatal Surjit Hermon accident at Road America, perhaps you shouldn't be so judgmental - I was in that session and don't think the VSCDA folks need or deserve the burden of second guessing their actions. The Mini was so far off the racing surface that a driver would almost have to take aim to hit it and I think that is pretty much what happened - Target Fixation! I'll never know if a HANS would have saved him but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have hurt him either. For me, I don't have one yet but it is on the A list. As for motorcycle helmets, anyone who doesn't wear one is just plain stupid. The only problem with mandating them is that it allows stupid people to live longer and takes "natural selection" out of the picture. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:09 AM, wrote: > I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy > new tires > before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to > work, do > you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the > street. If > all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. > had been > required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I > started, > leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I > wore. Adding > neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone > starting out. > > Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual > purpose cars > racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Thu Jan 15 10:31:32 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011520091731.1370.496F72F4000623BB0000055A22218801869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Steve, My TR-4A is registered for street use in California. It has headlights and a horn but the windshield is cut down so no wipers (or top). Its fun to drive on the street for short periods of time but the ride is too stiff to be fun for too long. It's also pretty loud. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Steven Belfer : -------------- > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jan 15 10:31:52 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was hoping to do the same. Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then drive home. The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the company knew about the car's use. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 10:44:48 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different than "life on the street". My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 10:31:47 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <21887948.143892.1232040707528.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Mark; I have two of the 216802 gears. One has 6 pitted teeth where the top of the gear was out of the oil for a looong period of time. Be glad to send one. Your choice. Dean Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Jan 15 11:07:16 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:07:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please remember that SVRA , CSRG, HMSA, GR, Sovren and everybody else has there own sandbox and "there" rules to play in "there" sandbox. It's your choice weather you wish to play by those rules. Tony Garmey> From: JWoesvra at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street".> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> > > Jack Woehrle> SVRA Technical Director> jwoesvra at aol.com> 803-463-5388> FAX 803-794-8747> 701 Center Street> West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most > I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 15 11:10:05 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always wanted to buy an old Formula Vee car, add lights and a horn and register it as a VW with a body kit. I was able to legally drive my 63 Spitfire on the street for the first time last fall at the Glen Historic recreation. With the exception of breaking a universal joint leaving the curb downtown it was the highlight of the weekend. mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 11:30:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:30:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The average > motorcycle > head injury runs $80K Last I heard, the costs were actually substantially higher for those wearing helmets. Something about a funeral being cheaper than 20 years in a hospital bed. Arguably, requiring full body armor 24/7 would also save lives, what with drive-by shootings and all. Call me "stupid", but I'm not doing that either. Randall From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 11:33:47 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street". > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. I don't know the answer to this one, but I have first hand experience with some of the more "backwater" venues for roundy-round types. If you want to see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. Especially the "hobby" classes. One of my buddies is a first responder (licensed EMT) and he worked trackside safety. He was actually threatened when he approached a participant that had the seat belts _tied to the seat and not bolted to the floor_ and told the participant to fix it. The participant response was something like "I'll tear your lungs out if you don't let me race". Oh well. That was New Hampshire. Live Free or Die. They have no helmet law. They also have 5 or 6 fatalities every year at the Loudon bike week. Go figure. But money on "backing off" on safety mandates is on small local track organizations. Once there's a fatality or accident with permanent disability, the tracks and/or organizations usually go bankrupt (because of the legal morass). > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 11:39:44 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:39:44 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: We ran an "enduro" many years ago at the local dirt track. You were required to have some sort of roll bar. One car had two 4x4's jambed between the roof and floor, with nails through the top to hold them in place. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: If you want to see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. Especially the "hobby" classes. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 11:51:12 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <48E283FE.6AF7D110.00159EE9@cs.com> The Jensens may remember the JAGUAR COUPE that had seat belts attached to the wooden floor boards at GREENWOOD. The driver died in the rollover. (mid-1960s) EDUCATION THROUGH ATTRITION? >We ran an "enduro" many years ago at the local dirt track. You were required >to have some sort of roll bar. One car had two 4x4's jambed between the roof >and floor, with nails through the top to hold them in place. > >Jack Woehrle >SVRA Technical Director >jwoesvra at aol.com >803-463-5388 >FAX 803-794-8747 >701 Center Street >West Columbia, SC 29169 > > >In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > >If you want to >see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. >Especially the "hobby" classes. > > > >**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 11:53:58 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:53:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought Grattan was a great track. Technical, fiddly, and a good test of suspension tuning. I don't care for high horsepower tracks in general, probably because I don't have much. I really liked that off camber turn. I wouldn't call it my favorite, but it's right up there. Motorcycle racers ARE nuts, I know that personally. Every time you get hurt (and you do get hurt a lot) the primary concern is "how long is this going to take before I can get back to racing" which explains a lot of things like pins, screws and plates where natural healing would be better, and casts being cut off in the pits with diagonal cutters. All these years later I'm paying a price, but it sure was fun while it lasted. You think scrambling into a corner to pass for position, late braking, with the rear end hopping and the front end sliding is fun in a car, try it on a bike, where four riders might be occupying the same space as one car. My heart is pounding just thinking of it. I still have dreams of sliding my bike into the big sweepers on a mile dirt track, drifting, drifting, with the rear end clawing for grip, the front end cranked within a fraction of full lock, sliding my foot until the rear end stated driving and then putting it back on the peg, still sliding, but starting to drive for the straight. Jesus. The one thing I NEVER skimped on was safety gear, as much because I believed it would reduce the down time as for any life-saving aspect. I truly believed I was immortal. Anyone who wants to ride a bike on the street without a helmet should be allowed to--as long as they are over 21 and have signed an organ donor card. The outlaw bikers that all cruiser riders emulate used to call themselves one-percenters, because the AMA (american motorcycle association) said 99 percent of motorcyclists were law abiding citizens. Those hairy guys with the do rags are 99 percent poseurs who put 100 miles a year on their bike and work as accountants and real estate agents. Nouveaux tough. Starbucks Angels. Why waste a perfectly good helmet on them. I feel uncomfortable riding a bike in my driveway without a top quality, full coverage helmet on. Incidentally, here's my latest bit of stupidity: http://www.kenalu.com/2008/11/30/sup-motorcycle-trailer/ On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. > > I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing > than I'll > ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and > I think > they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all > sorts of > racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after > incidents, cycle > racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs > dangling. In > most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather > authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. > > This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws > on the > books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the > riders fight > these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose > to argue > against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes > down to a stand > against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic > laws. You know, > "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business." From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 11:54:13 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:54:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed off. This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves me................Cheers Henry Morrison From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different than "life on the street". My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jan 15 12:35:25 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> One time driving down the Interstate (in Kansas) I went by a winged sprint car that had been made street legal. He'd added headlights/taillights was the only obvious modification, oh and a license plate holder. Don't recall if he had fenders, but if he did they were just moytorcycle fenders hung on the suspension. Horn? Don't know. Windshield -- no, but he wore a full-face helmet. Presumably the engine was seriously detuned. Still a 1-seater. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Street Legal > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 15 12:53:03 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> Message-ID: I have this Formula Ford chassis (With Spit front uprights!) sitting in my garage I keep thinking about turning into a high mpg street car...Maybe a nice 2L Audi engine/trans (since it's already longitudinal)...Since the 2L Rover engine doesn't mate up with any useful transmission...Sigh. So many projects... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > One time driving down the Interstate (in Kansas) I went by a winged sprint > car that had been made street legal. He'd added headlights/taillights was > the only obvious modification, oh and a license plate holder. Don't recall > if he had fenders, but if he did they were just moytorcycle fenders hung on > the suspension. Horn? Don't know. Windshield -- no, but he wore a full-face > helmet. Presumably the engine was seriously detuned. Still a 1-seater. > > --Rocky Entrik > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" < > colordog.1 at earthlink.net> > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:33 AM > Subject: [Fot] Street Legal > > > > Are any of your race cars street legal? >> >> I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >> OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some driver >> in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my demise. I'm >> more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. >> >> If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >> experiences or recommendations? >> >> If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >> idea for a race car >> >> Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal >> >> Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas >> >> Muffler: Supertrapp? >> >> Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. >> >> This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >> killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. >> >> What would they look at at the DMV? >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 15 13:23:53 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the market and prices should come down. I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how much does carbon fiber and molds cost. Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying special pricing? Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: "fot" ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed >off. > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves > me................Cheers Henry Morrison > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > [Fot] > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > different > than "life on the street". > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > most I > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 13:29:38 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:29:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Except for the fact that the VMC is supposed to allow for traveling around to different sanboxes and playing with others. I usually am somewhat suspect on many safety areas on my car, cause I keep it closer to original condition, and have never been refused entry into other club's events. It's always difficult for an organization to enforce one set of rules on its members and allow visitors to slide......................Henry Morrison From: horizonracing at msn.comTo: jwoesvra at aol.com; dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; billdentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; jensen87 at aol.comSubject: RE: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:07:16 -0800 Please remember that SVRA , CSRG, HMSA, GR, Sovren and everybody else has there own sandbox and "there" rules to play in "there" sandbox. It's your choice weather you wish to play by those rules. Tony Garmey> From: JWoesvra at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street".> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> > > Jack Woehrle> SVRA Technical Director> jwoesvra at aol.com> 803-463-5388> FAX 803-794-8747> 701 Center Street> West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most > I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 13:32:34 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure all these devices are patented and until the patents run out the manufacturer's will set the prices, not the market. Profiting on safety? Imagine............Henry Morrison> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; jwoesvra at aol.com; billb at bnj.com; billdentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:53 -0600> > I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, > but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the > things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is > price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and > demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the > market and prices should come down.> > I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is > some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have > thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers > and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should > cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how > much does carbon fiber and molds cost.> > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying > special pricing?> > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; > Cc: "fot" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > > >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed > >off.> > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves> > me................Cheers Henry Morrison> >> > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > > [Fot]> > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com;> > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> >> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > > as> > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > > different> > than "life on the street".> >> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > > enforcement?> > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> >> > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX> > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169> >> >> > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,> > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > > most I> > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > > Luck.> >> >> > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 15 13:33:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net><6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> <4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AA77A327E2842168E5123C740822617@DadsComputer> A number of years back the VTR had a classic car insurance provider, and I have insured my 2 street TR6's with that provider ever since. Angela Anthony is the agent and I called her the other day about insuring my recently purchased TR4 race car. I bought it in Ohio and it had a lapsed registration there so I thought, why not, get it plates and I can drive it around. We have a 5 year Antique car registration here in Texas that is cheap. She is working up the deal and can even insure my other race car that has no title if I am willing to apply for one. The policies are stated value like the Hagerties but are underwritten by Infinity. She said they won't do the race car but she had another provider. Doesn't cover you on the track but if you want to drive on the street or worry about theft.......You can call her at 908-757-8343. NFI. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was > hoping to do the same. > > Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then > drive home. > > The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the > company knew about the car's use. > > A. > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 13:48:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:48:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I run fully street legal. With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a welded diff. It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. Chris From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jan 15 13:57:09 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:57:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race car insurance (was Street Legal) References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net><6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com><4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> <7AA77A327E2842168E5123C740822617@DadsComputer> Message-ID: My race car (HP Spitfire) has been covered for years by Heacock Classic Insurance [formerly Parish Heacock] (www.heacockclassic.com). Yes, they know it's a race car. $250/year covers it for replacement value and even covers the trailer. $500 deductible. The caveat: the policy lapses as soon as I drive onto the track, resumes as soon as I come off. Primarily it covers me for all the off-track things that can happen -- I worry about vandalism; if the house catches on fire the homeowner's policy does not cover vehicles (even non-road vehicles); what if somebody wrecks me while I'm towing (nearly happened once in St. Louis when a guy spun across my tow van's nose on a rain-slick Interstate). --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "Andre Rousseau" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >A number of years back the VTR had a classic car insurance provider, and I >have insured my 2 street TR6's with that provider ever since. Angela >Anthony is the agent and I called her the other day about insuring my >recently purchased TR4 race car. I bought it in Ohio and it had a lapsed >registration there so I thought, why not, get it plates and I can drive it >around. We have a 5 year Antique car registration here in Texas that is >cheap. She is working up the deal and can even insure my other race car >that has no title if I am willing to apply for one. The policies are stated >value like the Hagerties but are underwritten by Infinity. She said they >won't do the race car but she had another provider. Doesn't cover you on >the track but if you want to drive on the street or worry about >theft.......You can call her at 908-757-8343. > NFI. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre Rousseau" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > >> I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was >> hoping to do the same. >> >> Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then >> drive home. >> >> The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the >> company knew about the car's use. >> >> A. >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 13:59:49 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:59:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <008A8244C5914A14A803E9A286544159@KasPC> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <008A8244C5914A14A803E9A286544159@KasPC> Message-ID: I get stopped several times a year because people accuse me for "driving with a race car on open roads" but after an inspection of the cars papers they let me go each time. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009 21:50 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Street Legal All except when the local law comes down and asks for your driving license, right? :-) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Steven Belfer'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >I run fully street legal. > With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a > welded diff. > It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 15 14:05:37 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices Message-ID: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new hat to go with it. http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm What are the best sources out there? Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 14:09:08 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:09:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] WG: Street Legal Message-ID: THIS is sick: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eOE9sjsV15w -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009 22:03 An: 'MadMarx' Betreff: RE: [Fot] Street Legal Chris you are a sick boy (with a welded diff. of all things) Craig PS: Have fun -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: 'Steven Belfer'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal I run fully street legal. With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a welded diff. It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 14:37:07 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:37:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Message-ID: No, you don't. the attachment parts screw onto an existing helmet. I'm surprised no one has developed a competing product at a competitive price. I know the core design is protected, but the patent would have to be pretty specific to be useful protection. On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a > new hat > to go with it. > > > > http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm > > > > What are the best sources out there? > > > > Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Labs0808 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 14:49:20 2009 From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:49:20 EST Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions Message-ID: _Safety Solutions_ (http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/) Here are some options ? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Jan 15 16:29:30 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:29:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use the Issac Device. Take a look at it also. SVRA ok with it? Todd Redmond hursday, January 15, 2009 4:50 pm Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions To: fot at autox.team.net > _Safety Solutions_ > (http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/) > > Here are some options ? > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in > just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6nut at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 16:33:20 2009 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:33:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> Randall wrote: > Last I heard, the costs were actually substantially higher for those > wearing helmets.Something about a funeral being cheaper than 20 years > in a hospital bed. > I have ridden motorcycles for the past 30 years (when I was young & daring, I raced them - but that's another story). Nowadays, whenever I ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. One of my co-workers, upon seeing me enter the building in my gear asked me if I was a "safety freak". I told him no, but that at my age, I heal slower so I need to dress appropriately for the activity. Hugh Barber '73 TR6 '05 Suzuki SV1000S From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:00:18 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011620090000.10417.496FCE1200065CD2000028B122135285739705029A0002030E0B01019B@comcast.net> I believe the R3 is more expensive and they require a body harness, it isn't secured with your belts. I wasn't impressed with the one I looked at. The Hutchins device is junk, it too has a harness and in a hard crash will tend to compress your spine. I thought I would be bothered by the HANS but I didn't know it was there after about six laps. I got the one with sliding tethers. I raced motocross and supercross until six years ago and a neck injury just about put me in a wheelchair. MX riders now have head restraints and they are getting pretty popular. I looked for a used HANS for a couple months but they are usually sold the same day or hour the ad prints. jim g -------------- Original message -------------- From: "BOB KRAMER" > I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, > but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the > things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is > price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and > demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the > market and prices should come down. > > I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is > some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have > thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers > and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should > cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how > much does carbon fiber and molds cost. > > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying > special pricing? > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; > Cc: "fot" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > > >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed > >off. > > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves > > me................Cheers Henry Morrison > > > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > > [Fot] > > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > > > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > > as > > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > > different > > than "life on the street". > > > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > > enforcement? > > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. > > > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > > most I > > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > > Luck. > > > > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 17:10:31 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:10:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Nowadays, whenever I > ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at an anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he replied "Being opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes the right to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all for that matter. Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so much as seat belts retrofitted From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 17:26:14 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:26:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: >> Nowadays, whenever I >> ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. > > Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at > an > anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he > replied "Being > opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" > > As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes > the right > to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all > for that > matter. > > Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact > protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. > > Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so > much as > seat belts retrofitted From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 17:47:10 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:47:10 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: I agree but it was Jill. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:52:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:52:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com><496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net><0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <5C57A10778014B6EB5265B6AF3B53B57@Bud> Woooohoo!...Go Billy Go! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Randall" Cc: "'fot'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken > away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power > doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for > all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > > Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, > flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie > that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you > have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both > with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. > > Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: > >>> Nowadays, whenever I >>> ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. >> >> Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at >> an >> anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he >> replied "Being >> opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" >> >> As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes >> the right >> to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all >> for that >> matter. >> >> Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact >> protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. >> >> Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so >> much as >> seat belts retrofitted > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 18:16:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:16:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> I've been trying to forget. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > I agree but it was Jill. > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes: > Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for > all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 18:43:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > I've been trying to forget. > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: Actually, it was Joan: Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 18:46:49 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:46:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I've been trying to forget. >> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > > Actually, it was Joan: > > Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as > President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her resignation on > December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the National Highway Traffic > Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter administration from 1977 to > 1981.[2] "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 18:49:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:49:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1050FF75-5A6D-43A0-A6FC-5116B833C0CA@bnj.com> ...What were we talking about? On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> I've been trying to forget. >>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >> >> Actually, it was Joan: >> >> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who >> served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced >> her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of >> the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the >> Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] > > "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. > > ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. > > :-) > > rml From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 18:55:38 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <35E37F77.77DD9995.00159EE9@cs.com> I dnt know, but I think Jill was a NADERITE. Were they sisters? >...What were we talking about? > > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>>> I've been trying to forget. >>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Actually, it was Joan: >>> >>> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who >>> served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced >>> her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of >>> the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the >>> Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] >> >> "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. >> >> ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. >> >> :-) >> >> rml >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:02:02 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:02:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116020232.8E98D18788F@autox.team.net> I personally applaud SVRA's decision. - Tony Drews At 09:27 AM 1/15/2009, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >Henry, > >With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since >you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you >agree with >our policies anyway. > >There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have >been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to >race with us >to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to >take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are >protected, >when technology is available to do so. > > > >Jack Woehrle >SVRA Technical Director >jwoesvra at aol.com >803-463-5388 >FAX 803-794-8747 >701 Center Street >West Columbia, SC 29169 > > >In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > >I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires >before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do >you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on >the street. If >all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been >required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, >leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I >wore. Adding neck >restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. > >Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars >racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > > > >**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:02:47 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:02:47 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Jill is listed as once heading the NTSB. Joan is listed as head of the NHTSA. WTF, I have just spent way too much time on such a nasty subject. THX Babcock! Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 8:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: I dnt know, but I think Jill was a NADERITE. Were they sisters? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 19:07:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> <1050FF75-5A6D-43A0-A6FC-5116B833C0CA@bnj.com> Message-ID: Since we're a bit off topic.....DO YOU KNOW..Lafong?..Carl LaFong!..Capital L...small a ..capital F..small o..small n...small g...... No! I don't know Carl Lafong..Capital L ..small a ..capital .F..small o..small n..small g...and if I did know him i wouldn't tell you!..now get out of here you #@$%^& W.C Fields...his great car movie was 'Road Hog'(different movie than the Lafong episode) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > ...What were we talking about? > > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>>> I've been trying to forget. >>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Actually, it was Joan: >>> >>> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as >>> President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her >>> resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the >>> National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter >>> administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] >> >> "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. >> >> ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. >> >> :-) >> >> rml > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:23:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:23:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Message-ID: <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> They added the posts to my fairly inexpensive G-Force full face helmet, so you don't need a new helmet if you've got a full face one. Mine's an SA-2000 so will probably become obsolete when the SA-2010's come out. The posts can then be moved to the new lid. - Tony At 03:05 PM 1/15/2009, Richard Taylor wrote: >Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new hat >to go with it. > > > > http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm > > > >What are the best sources out there? > > > >Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? > > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >196 >Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > >tel: >04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > >fax: (404) 223-1312 > >mobile: >04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Jan 15 19:25:22 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:25:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <20090116020232.8E98D18788F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I agree. Every day I wake up with a headache and stiff neck I regret not having one on in '96 when I hit the turn one wall at Road Atlanta. I would feel naked without one now. Mike I personally applaud SVRA's decision. - Tony Drews From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 19:26:18 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:26:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901151826g74dd6a67p93e1557472343f85@mail.gmail.com> For anyone considering getting a Hans,be sure to g et it with the sliding tethers. Otherwise you cannot turn your head to the side much at all. Found this to be very inconvenient when I went off track and literally had to turn the car to face the oncoming traffic to see when I could get back on -- fortunately this was at Portland and I was a ways off the track in the grass. The tethers let you turn. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > They added the posts to my fairly inexpensive G-Force full face helmet, so > you don't need a new helmet if you've got a full face one. Mine's an > SA-2000 so will probably become obsolete when the SA-2010's come out. The > posts can then be moved to the new lid. > > - Tony > > At 03:05 PM 1/15/2009, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new >> hat >> to go with it. >> >> >> >> http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm >> >> >> >> What are the best sources out there? >> >> >> >> Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? >> >> >> >> Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >> >> TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE >> >> > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >> t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >> 196 >> Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 >> >> tel: >> > http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >> 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >> >> fax: (404) 223-1312 >> >> mobile: >> > http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >> 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 >> >> www.taylor-architecture.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:40:47 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:40:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <20090116024109.0B11618763E@autox.team.net> With rope made of hemp, of course. - Tony At 06:26 PM 1/15/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken >away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power >doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for >all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > >Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, >flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie >that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you >have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both >with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. > >Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: > >>>Nowadays, whenever I >>>ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. >> >>Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at >>an >>anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he >>replied "Being >>opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" >> >>As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes >>the right >>to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all >>for that >>matter. >> >>Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact >>protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. >> >>Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so >>much as >>seat belts retrofitted >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 20:09:27 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> After last year's loss of drivers, it got me thinking about my personal safety on the track. I consider myself a safe, alert, vintage racer mostly concerned about being "collected" by another driver(s) mistake. I've had a few close calls, barely missed by or missing spinning cars or avoiding someone's overly aggressive move into a corner. Lots of luck but also being aware of other cars, who's driving them and track position. As a result, I recently had my rollbar extended to include side door and under dash protection plus installation of a new, low-back seat so I could wear a HANS Device which I'll order here shortly. Yes, the upgrade costs are not cheap but I know I'll feel a bit more comfortable out on the track especially when there are guest drivers I'm not familiar racing with or heaven forbid, the unexpected mechanical failure induced accident. My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are "highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications. The club preaches safety at every opportunity and its had a positive impact for the most part. I see an increasing number of club members with HANS devices, a trend I expect to see continue. Gary 62 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 20:41:10 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:41:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> References: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> By the way, you tolerate the safety equipment as a racer (I'd certainly be more comfortable in a tee shirt!), but you WEAR it for your loved ones. Same reason you ensure your roll bar is 2" over your head, you have roll bar accoutrements like Gary describes, you have good properly mounted belts, etc. Thought for the day... - Tony At 09:09 PM 1/15/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >After last year's loss of drivers, it got me thinking about my personal >safety on the track. I consider myself a safe, alert, vintage racer mostly >concerned about being "collected" by another driver(s) mistake. I've had a >few close calls, barely missed by or missing spinning cars or avoiding >someone's overly aggressive move into a corner. Lots of luck but also being >aware of other cars, who's driving them and track position. As a result, I >recently had my rollbar extended to include side door and under dash >protection plus installation of a new, low-back seat so I could wear a HANS >Device which I'll order here shortly. Yes, the upgrade costs are not cheap >but I know I'll feel a bit more comfortable out on the track especially when >there are guest drivers I'm not familiar racing with or heaven forbid, the >unexpected mechanical failure induced accident. > > > >My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are >"highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications. The club >preaches safety at every opportunity and its had a positive impact for the >most part. I see an increasing number of club members with HANS devices, a >trend I expect to see continue. > > > >Gary > > > >62 TR4 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Jan 16 07:17:30 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HNR options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a spreadsheet from another forum that compares various HNR systems. http://www.am-rennsport.com/HNR.html I've been using a Hutchinson Device for 3 years but since it's not SFI 38.1 compliant I guess it's time to upgrade. I'm thinking of the new Defender since it has better support in side collisions but I need to try one on first. mike From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Jan 16 08:29:26 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> References: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I don't debate the usefulness of the HANS device. It's a great item, and I should have one and eventually probably will. That said, my car, and probably many of yours is unsafe at any speed and putting on all the upgrades suggested here would take me out for several seasons probably not just a race, in the meantime my prostate might explode and I would have missed a great deal of fun. "My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are>"highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications." I have sat through a host of meetings with the insurance companies discussing rates and other insurance issues. They insure the "safest" club at the same rate that the insure a club that doesn't require roll bars. When 9/11 happened vintage racing insurance rates increased by 30 percent to help pay for that. When someone dies at a vintage event, the rates stay fairly flat. Two pepole were killed at a vintage race a few years ago when their car flipped during the lunch time touring session. They were wearing neither the HANS device nor a roll bar. It would make sense to me to ban these activities altogether before requiring drivers to wear the HANS device. But that's the way we feed new people the vintage racing bug. I've witnessed lots of incidents of wrecks with guys in their street cars at driver's schools where they were just f'ing lucky. I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment on, he thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the guy who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. The statistics do certainly support this assertion as the clubs with the fewest incidents seem to be those with less restrictive safety rules. What am I up to 15 cents now?..................................Cheers Henry Morrison From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Jan 16 12:07:27 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>> Henry Morrison wrote: I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment on, he thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the guy who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give one to a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how minor, will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person that is told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will not be operated in the same fashion. In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a vehicle on the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything that can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do that. They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip the apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their way, and not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely safe world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co p=mss&ei=UTF-8 Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the sport, and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying not to race, and they are gone. Eat right, exercise, die anyway. Bill ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGYPzDYUwcmKJuda1YrpsGjTVpOPyE6AKnMfaS4aG1sVs/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 12:20:23 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:20:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. ~Steve From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 12:39:08 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:39:08 -1000 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <92B2FE46-4ADA-4C4C-9326-4ECF55E0AD30@bnj.com> That's an interesting perspective, and certainly logical. The only thing that doesn't bear up in my experience (which is certainly subjective, and unsupported by statistics available to me) is that the majority of nasty accidents seem to happen in the mid pack at vintage races. And Vintage cars generally don't have anything leading edge in their safety equipment. A mild steel rollcage constructed like those of the late 60's, shoulder belts, fire suit, a good helmet and maybe a HANs device. I'm sure you don't think that's anything like what saves lives in F1, or Indycars, or Nascar, or drag racing, or virtually any modern race car. Sure, the stuff isn't cheap, but by and large it's a long-term investment. Anyone that thinks this fairly minimal level of protection makes them invulnerable has a few screws loose to begin with. Or has never been in a serious racing accident in a vintage car and come away lucky--because that's really all it is. Nothing in my car or on my body saved me from being killed by that Corvette that T-boned me at Watkins Glen. Just luck. Didn't hit the wall until most of the speed had been scrubbed off. Didn't roll over while he was pushing me sideways. Just luck. The "keeps new people away from the sport" argument plays equally well with not letting people race a clapped out H prod rabbit in Vintage. I don't think the idea of vintage racing is to have the cheapest entry point available in racing. I think that's karts. On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: >>>> Henry Morrison wrote: > I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment > on, he > thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by > the > guy > who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. > > I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS > program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give > one to > a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how > minor, > will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person > that is > told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will > protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will > not be > operated in the same fashion. > > In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a > vehicle on > the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to > someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment > standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything > that > can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are > there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise > restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do > that. > They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip > the > apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They > know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is > that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their > way, and > not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely > safe > world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co > p=mss&ei=UTF-8 > > Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the > sport, > and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual > budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying > not > to race, and they are gone. > > Eat right, exercise, die anyway. > Bill From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:04:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <535AFE9FD174486EB3A6ED035492DF9F@Bud> looks like we're back to that 'Gray' area again...I guess it's all about respecting the other driver..not taking chances that are truly 'chances', etc...but then it can get kind of boring...It's very difficult to find a venue where vintage cars can really be driven to the limit....I've had experiences where I had to stay behind a slow car for waaay too long, because I could tell that the guy did not have a clue that I was there...I began a pass a couple of times, and he was ready to turn right into me..I backed off and resigned myself to the fact....The GOOD NEWS is...CSRG banned him PERMANENTLY..he had been a problem for quite some time...He wasn't Wild...just horribly inatentive....CSRG banned another guy 3 years ago..he was not wild either...he would do things like..point to the left...I passed him on the left, he ran me completely off the track...Why?..he was pointing to where he was going to go..no joke..A nice guy,,but his racing days had reached their limit...i'm pleased to say that CSRG will Not let just anyone race...We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device >>>> Henry Morrison wrote: > I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment > on, he > thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the > guy > who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. > > I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS > program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give one to > a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how minor, > will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person that is > told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will > protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will not be > operated in the same fashion. > > In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a vehicle on > the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to > someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment > standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything that > can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are > there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise > restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do that. > They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip the > apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They > know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is > that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their way, and > not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely safe > world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co > p=mss&ei=UTF-8 > > Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the sport, > and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual > budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying not > to race, and they are gone. > > Eat right, exercise, die anyway. > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGYPzDYUwcmKJuda1YrpsGjTVpOPyE6AKnMfaS4aG1sVs/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:07:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. > > To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any > chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car > has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one > running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety > equipment I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a > while. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Jan 16 13:14:05 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:05 EST Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild > I could follow the logic had you said, "We realize that SLOW can be as/more dangerous than FAST." But "WILD" adds another dimension. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From Billbab at mac.com Fri Jan 16 13:16:43 2009 From: Billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:16:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: HANS Device References: <92B2FE46-4ADA-4C4C-9326-4ECF55E0AD30@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1569CDFF-5163-4D80-A79E-AF78AA015F6C@mac.com> Not sure why, but this never came through Begin forwarded message: > From: Bill Babcock > Date: January 16, 2009 9:39:08 AM HST > To: William G Rosenbach > Cc: dos_gusanos at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > That's an interesting perspective, and certainly logical. The only > thing that doesn't bear up in my experience (which is certainly > subjective, and unsupported by statistics available to me) is that > the majority of nasty accidents seem to happen in the mid pack at > vintage races. And Vintage cars generally don't have anything > leading edge in their safety equipment. A mild steel rollcage > constructed like those of the late 60's, shoulder belts, fire suit, > a good helmet and maybe a HANs device. I'm sure you don't think > that's anything like what saves lives in F1, or Indycars, or Nascar, > or drag racing, or virtually any modern race car. > > Sure, the stuff isn't cheap, but by and large it's a long-term > investment. Anyone that thinks this fairly minimal level of > protection makes them invulnerable has a few screws loose to begin > with. Or has never been in a serious racing accident in a vintage > car and come away lucky--because that's really all it is. Nothing in > my car or on my body saved me from being killed by that Corvette > that T-boned me at Watkins Glen. Just luck. Didn't hit the wall > until most of the speed had been scrubbed off. Didn't roll over > while he was pushing me sideways. Just luck. > > The "keeps new people away from the sport" argument plays equally > well with not letting people race a clapped out H prod rabbit in > Vintage. I don't think the idea of vintage racing is to have the > cheapest entry point available in racing. I think that's karts. > > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > >>>>> Henry Morrison wrote: >> I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety >> equipment >> on, he >> thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by >> the >> guy >> who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. >> >> I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS >> program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give >> one to >> a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how >> minor, >> will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person >> that is >> told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will >> protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will >> not be From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 16 13:20:54 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> Message-ID: <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> This is really good stuff. As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into you... Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. A. 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >> >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:31:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:31:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: Message-ID: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; dos_gusanos at msn.com ; wgrosenbach at juno.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild I could follow the logic had you said, "We realize that SLOW can be as/more dangerous than FAST." But "WILD" adds another dimension. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:38:30 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:38:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com><179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net><8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07EEDB3F8542429681F1D4C87636BF5C@Bud> If you are a new driver i recommend that you get the best and all of the safety stuff available...There's kind of a different mindset with those of us who have been doing this all of our lives...When I started in the 60's, I had all of the latest safety stuff....The more safety stuff you have..the more you can concentrate on your driving....this goes for car prep too...You do not want..in the back of your mind...a gnawing gremlin reminding you that you didn't fix something properly....remember..the cars are strained to their tensil limit.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > This is really good stuff. > > As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My > take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to > the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents > recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and > stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into > you... > > Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. > > A. > > > 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : >> I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook >> quite a >> bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn >> excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than >> ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" >> >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device >> >> >>> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >>> >>> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >>> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my >>> car >>> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little >>> one >>> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety >>> equipment >>> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >>> >>> ~Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Jan 16 14:47:42 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:47:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? Message-ID: I think most of us can. Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? Mike From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Jan 16 14:54:23 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:54:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: $1000. Just about the price of one vintage race weekend. I didn't mind giving up one race in the beginning so I could race a lot more down the road. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:21 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device This is really good stuff. As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into you... Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. A. 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >> >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 15:14:24 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group > buying special pricing? > Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jan 16 15:38:43 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:38:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And tires were skinny and drivers were fat... HAHA! Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Munson To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Remember When? I think most of us can. Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? Mike _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 16 15:44:48 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:44:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B77D0CD04EA4AC3BE0C63AF5DCBBEEA@KasPC> I don't think so. I was 6'4" tall and weighed a solid 170 pounds soaking wet. I only remember one fat guy and he was dead slow in his Alfa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: ; Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Remember When? > And tires were skinny and drivers were fat... > > > HAHA! > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Munson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] Remember When? > > > I think most of us can. > > > > Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? > > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 16:03:43 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Andre, good point. The HANS sport will run around $700 and like Lunker said, probably no discount available. But that is cheap insurance. I considered one when I first started a couple years ago; bought one mid-August last year after Uncle Jack's accident and used it at he Glen for the first time. Feel more secure with it and the sliding tethers give you some movement for bretter visibility. I'll camp out at the track to save some bucks, actually enjoy it, but don't like to scrimp on safety items. By the way, get that car and join the fun! Stay warm, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > This is really good stuff. > > As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My > take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to > the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents > recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and > stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into > you... > > Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. > > A. > > > 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > > > To: "FOT" > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > > > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. > >> > >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any > >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car > >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one > >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment > >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. > >> > >> ~Steve > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 16:20:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:20:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux pas. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 16 16:39:51 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:39:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: What I was suggesting was that many of our vintage racing organizations have a lot of buying power, and can go straight to the manufacturer and twist their arms. I probably would have held back the mandatory requirement as a bargaining chip i.e. we'll go mandatory if you give our members XX% off. The cynical side of me thinks that there is also plenty of room for dollars to go the coffers of the clubs in exchange for a mandatory requirement. Then again that might be illegal too. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: "fot Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: >> >> Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying >> special pricing? >> > Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I > know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and any > dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one said he > could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 16:42:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:42:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32584D82-C7B4-4076-8195-09294A4C73A0@bnj.com> I doubt it, not if they are open about it. Probably wouldn't have to do that to gain from the transaction though. Being able to buy a HANs device for $200 off would be a powerful incentive to pay $50 to join a club. On Jan 16, 2009, at 1:39 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > What I was suggesting was that many of our vintage racing > organizations have a lot of buying power, and can go straight to the > manufacturer and twist their arms. I probably would have held back > the mandatory requirement as a bargaining chip i.e. we'll go > mandatory if you give our members XX% off. The cynical side of me > thinks that there is also plenty of room for dollars to go the > coffers of the clubs in exchange for a mandatory requirement. Then > again that might be illegal too. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > > To: "BOB KRAMER" > Cc: "fot Triumph" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > >> >> On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group >>> buying special pricing? >>> >> Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" >> I know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer >> and any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although >> one said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. >> >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 17:15:40 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <017401c97838$bb7c0a60$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Bill, good point, but why are gasoline prices always the same at the various different retailers? When one goes up a dime a gallon, they all go up a dime a gallon. (Yeah, I know, the oil companies operate under their own set of rules). Like the punchline for the old joke about the dog: "Just 'cause he can!" Later, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" Cc: "Andre Rousseau" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a minimum > price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the retailer might be > lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing to be a criminal > issue, not just some little business faux pas. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 16:46:01 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <06894F69-A80C-4552-93D1-4EBD68D94285@earthlink.net> Love my Mac but check out Apple for the same business practices. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a > minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the > retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing > to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux > pas._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 16:46:01 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <06894F69-A80C-4552-93D1-4EBD68D94285@earthlink.net> Love my Mac but check out Apple for the same business practices. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a > minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the > retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing > to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux > pas._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Jan 16 17:35:42 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There can't be $300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry Morrison> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:24 -0700> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote:> >> > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group > > buying special pricing?> >> Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I > know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and > any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one > said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"].> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 16 19:02:58 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> References: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> Message-ID: <8CB465EDACB34F4-A00-27@WEBMAIL-DG15.sim.aol.com> <<< I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' ... Racer Bud Absolutely! 11/10ths. Works for me. Bill From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:09:47 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> <8CB465EDACB34F4-A00-27@WEBMAIL-DG15.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <416AE1B0D95249F19F380E5FF75C3DBD@Bud> You bet Bill..there's nothing like this racing Family Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > <<< I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' ... > Racer Bud > > Absolutely! 11/10ths. Works for me. > > Bill From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jan 16 20:18:06 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... - Tony D At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There can't be >$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >Morrison From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:23:51 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:23:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9A56CB3B49D0405EB2B3A783365CBDF5@Bud> I bought my transponder from CSRG in 2001 or 2002..The club got a deal by buying a batch...I paid about 225-250..CSRG does not require transponders, but if a race car does not have one, he simply gets no recorded times , and the results show that racer at the back . with the rest of the 'Un'electronicites'......more to follow Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in > on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back > in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... > > - Tony D > > At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There >>can't be >>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:37:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:37:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> When i began racing..in the late 1960s...we operated on an honor system.....Our pit crews took our lap times with stop watches..and turned those times into the SCCA people...That made up the grid...If a guy lied...It all came out in the wash...It did not matter what the fastest lap time was in the race...It was..Who won the race......I would like this stuff to be TOTALLY PERIOD CORRECT...We don't need any Electronic stuff......In CSRG we have lots of racers who race without transponders....Let's Just Race! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in > on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back > in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... > > - Tony D > > At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There >>can't be >>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jan 16 21:11:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:11:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders In-Reply-To: <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> Message-ID: <20090117041126.19B971878BB@autox.team.net> I was old enough to work the SCCA timing stand in the 70's. Worked my way up to 3 or 4 cars simultaneously, analog watches with the split hand, really wished hard for a calculator that would do "time math" (lessee, that's carry the 6?). Hard work (especially lap 1 when they are all bunched), hard to not make mistakes, lots of workers needed. Totally eliminated by transponders and a computer with the right software. There are now races where I may have no pit crew so I'd have to time the car WHILE DRIVING if we went back to the honor system. I agree - Lets just race! :) - Tony D At 09:37 PM 1/16/2009, RACER BUD wrote: >When i began racing..in the late 1960s...we operated on an honor >system.....Our pit crews took our lap times with stop watches..and >turned those times into the SCCA people...That made up the grid...If >a guy lied...It all came out in the wash...It did not matter what >the fastest lap time was in the race...It was..Who won the >race......I would like this stuff to be TOTALLY PERIOD CORRECT...We >don't need any Electronic stuff......In CSRG we have lots of racers >who race without transponders....Let's Just Race! >Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > > >>Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I >>got in on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like >>$240. This was back in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... >> >>- Tony D >> >>At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB >>>transponders. There can't be >>>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>>Morrison >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 17 08:35:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? Message-ID: <000601c978b9$3e6db5b0$6501a8c0@HP> cars were driven to the track with the family, disassembled (windshield and passenger seat) and prepped in the parking lot, safety equipment was an aircraft lap belt and an open face helmet and $1000 (todays weekend cost) was 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the car... and I'll bet they had every bit as much fun... From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 17 09:42:57 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] new rules help Message-ID: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Lets assume that big brother is once again going to interfere in our lives and there is nothing we can do about it.... off soap box now.... At one point in these notes I saw something about a collar that could be worn with a high or low back seat... I know nothing about these things other than that I have been trying (financially) to get back on track for two years now, and its another thousand or so out of my pocket. If somehow I come up with the money, what do I need to know about these things... my seat is a high plastic seat, do I need to replace the seat also? I need (now) to replace belts every two years (the last two years havent even seen a race on mine) ... will the hans device turn into the same thing? Someone said the mounts can be put on an existing helmet... by whom?, at what cost and time frame? Also it was said get sliding tethers (sounded like a good idea) ... any other input? What do the tethers hook to and how? roll bar? seat? seat belts? ??? modifications to the car? I'm totally in the dark here. I've found myself having less fun at the track than I used to, as it is ... IF and its a big IF I try to get back this year, how do I do this without additional heartache? Also, I've heard that there is a good lumbar support unit being made for race seats... anyone know anything about it ... recent back problems will probably warrent this so I can sit in the car comfortably... Any help appreciated.. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 09:59:16 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:59:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? References: <000601c978b9$3e6db5b0$6501a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <69CE033B46F04D138BB2F66BDFA7FDCF@Bud> My first racecar was a fully prepared..nice looking and fast Fprod MGA which I paid 800.00 for in 1968 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Remember When? > cars were driven to the track with the family, disassembled (windshield > and > passenger seat) and prepped in the parking lot, safety equipment was an > aircraft lap belt and an open face helmet and $1000 (todays weekend cost) > was > 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the car... and I'll bet they had every bit as much > fun... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 17 10:02:18 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:02:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] new rules help In-Reply-To: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5BAD3246-DEAF-4D60-8DE1-6B7B26DFDEC2@bnj.com> First, most vintage clubs do NOT require a HANS device, they just recommend it. SVRA is the first I've heard of that is even considering a requirement. If you get one, it won't interfere with your seat. My seat is also high-backed and I don't notice any interference. You can put the mounts on yourself, though most people who sell HANS have been through training to install the mounts. It takes about 15 minutes to do, if you buy one trackside (as I did) the vendor can usually do it while you wait or while you watch a race. I think all the new HANS have sliding tethers. Guys who bought early can get them modified for the cost of a new set of straps (as I recall, about $20 ) The tethers hook to your helmet, the Hans device goes behind your head and over your shoulders, fastened in place by your seat belts. No modifications necessary. Best lumbar support I've found you make yourself. Get some TAP two part foam and a couple of garbage bags. Mix up a cup each of foam and hardener, dump it in the bag, tape the bag to the top of the back of your seat so the bag reaches to the bottom of the seat. Sit down and wait for the foam to swell and then harden. You can use it as is or cover it with duct tape. Be careful not to let the foam escape the bag--messy stuff. I double bag and use smaller amounts of foam in little steps and I still have sticky stuff on my rear firewall. All the best Tom, I hope everything works out for you and you start having a great time a the track again. On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:42 AM, tom strange wrote: > Okay, > Lets assume that big brother is once again going to interfere in > our lives > and there is nothing we can do about it.... off soap box now.... > At one point in these notes I saw something about a collar that > could be > worn with a high or low back seat... > I know nothing about these things other than that I have been trying > (financially) to get back on track for two years now, and its > another thousand > or so out of my pocket. > If somehow I come up with the money, what do I need to know about > these > things... my seat is a high plastic seat, do I need to replace the > seat > also? I need (now) to replace belts every two years (the last two > years > havent even seen a race on mine) ... will the hans device turn into > the same > thing? > Someone said the mounts can be put on an existing helmet... by > whom?, at > what cost and time frame? > Also it was said get sliding tethers (sounded like a good idea) ... > any > other input? > What do the tethers hook to and how? roll bar? seat? seat > belts? ??? > modifications to the car? > I'm totally in the dark here. I've found myself having less fun at > the > track than I used to, as it is ... IF and its a big IF I try to get > back this > year, how do I do this without additional heartache? > > Also, I've heard that there is a good lumbar support unit being > made for > race seats... anyone know anything about it ... recent back problems > will > probably warrent this so I can sit in the car comfortably... > > Any help appreciated.. > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From stlnyc at msn.com Sat Jan 17 18:44:47 2009 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:44:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Calling John Lye Message-ID: John- Please contact me off list. Fred Hodgson From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jan 18 20:38:49 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] alloy drive shaft Message-ID: <8CB47FE9333789C-104-1E84@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Amici Spit/GT6 Racers, Question, anyone running an aluminum drive shaft, if so where did you have it made? Sincerely, Bob Totten '64 Spit GT autocrosser '63 Spit street From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 09:17:29 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:17:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: Steve, Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking about. I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I tow a light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). The bike provides transportation after the car has gone through its conversion. Some of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. It takes a couple of hours to unload the bike, unhook the trailer, remove the windshield, wipers, change tires and crank that cantankerous Triple. Not much time difference from the conventional set-up. But it's the compromise on the track that is the challenge. I faithfully shift at 5K; not because I want to but because I also need to drive home. The car still has lights, turn signals, horn, roll-up windows and heater; read heavy. The car also has a mild cam, intermediate compression and the tall rear-end w/OD. The engine dyno'd 125 hp at the flywheel with an in-line pickle muffler. A straight-pipe @ 5K showed < 1hp gain; a reasonable price to pay for no-roar hassle. Consequently racing is one continuous study of inertia control. If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin Commander with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. On the brighter side, in the last 28 races I've had but one DNF. VIR to Atlanta, on-the-hook, costs about the same as a Hans Device. AAA paid 1/3 of it. In fine, driving your car to the race ain't for everybody. If you're a fearless, steely eyed, fire-in-the-belly racer, forget it. But if you can find satisfaction back there in the pack squeezing everything that can be squeezed out of the car you've built, no matter how imperfectly, it's an option. But you will study more than your share of taillights and you will forever wonder what the hell you were thinking about. Richard Taylor To: Steven Belfer; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal Compromises on both sides of course. I plan to do this with the AMBRO. It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to have the choice. Joe >Are any of your race cars street legal? > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >experiences or recommendations? > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >idea for a race car > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped >TR3. > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:06:32 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR3-VINTAGE-RACE-CAR-SCCA_W0QQitemZ33 0301822757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item NFI Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:08:31 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is item 330301822757 Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: January 19, 2009 12:07 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR3-VINTAGE-RACE-CAR-SCCA_W0QQitemZ33 0301822757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item NFI Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 10:10:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:10:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <0CA0461A-F7D8-4C88-8C25-559B487DEC63@bnj.com> Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Steve, > > Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the > symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking > about. > > I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I > tow a > light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). > The bike > provides transportation after the car has gone through its > conversion. Some > of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 19 10:16:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:16:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <0CA0461A-F7D8-4C88-8C25-559B487DEC63@bnj.com> Message-ID: <66FF690D62674572867E2FC54679EE63@Bud> not in a Triumph I hope...Maybe a Citroen or a Facel Vega Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Richard Taylor" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take > transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the >> symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking >> about. >> >> I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I >> tow a >> light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). >> The bike >> provides transportation after the car has gone through its >> conversion. Some >> of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:18:07 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <66FF690D62674572867E2FC54679EE63@Bud> Message-ID: Or maybe a Muntz Jet... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 19, 2009 12:17 PM To: Bill Babcock; Richard Taylor Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal not in a Triumph I hope...Maybe a Citroen or a Facel Vega Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Richard Taylor" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take > transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the >> symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking >> about. >> >> I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I >> tow a >> light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). >> The bike >> provides transportation after the car has gone through its >> conversion. Some >> of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 11:36:36 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. That and the one wheel bunny hop down the runway made quite a impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing his stuff? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 19 11:41:03 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:41:03 EST Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jan 19 11:47:28 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:47:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from accumulating and restricting air flow. The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the lens clear is a possibility. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:41 AM To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; tarch at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 11:51:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:51:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <817A75F7-7B98-4CAA-8EC3-DE191A6BF4EC@bnj.com> Bob Hoover is still alive I think, but he got his US ticket pulled in the '90's by some punks at the FAA who were trying to push a mandatory retirement age issue unrelated to medical fitness. He did finally get it back, but I doubt he does much flying now, he has to be pushing 90. I saw him fly P51's and commuter planes in airshows. Amazing control. A bona fide all american hero. Buddy of Chuck Yeager, broke out of WWII german prison camp, stole a plane and made it to the Netherlands. There must be a biography of him somewhere. If not, there darned sure should be. What a life!! On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, > Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > > >> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >> > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both > engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. > > Bill (Damdinger) From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Jan 19 11:59:23 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> Message-ID: <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. > >Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >accumulating and restricting air flow. > >The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >lens clear is a possibility. > >Joe C. The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. j -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 12:08:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:08:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> Message-ID: <2F739B54-AD01-4587-AC40-B267A528166B@bnj.com> Actually big turbofan engines can usually digest birds quite nicely, The first stage fan blends them into a nice paste and slings them to the outside of the fan disk and out the bypass ports. It takes a lot of birds to have some get into the compressor blades, and even then they are goo. It's just that if you get enough goo it overwhelms the engine. Must have been a lot of geese. There isn't any practical way to screen a turbofan, the air intake rate at take off is ginormous. Air velocity at the entry point of the fan is 10,000 meters/sec or more. Exit velocity of a GE turbofan is 115-130,000 meters/sec. On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have > figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. > > Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris > from > accumulating and restricting air flow. > > The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to > keep the > lens clear is a possibility. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:41 AM > To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; tarch at bellsouth.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, > Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > > >> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >> > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both > engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > ************** > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jan 19 12:10:24 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:10:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: f=1/2mv^2 Mass of bird = 5kilos Velocity = 300km/hr f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J which is 53,776 Calories 165951 ft pounds force 213 BTU's Alot any way you slice it. Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level physics. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: > >> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >> >> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >> accumulating and restricting air flow. >> >> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >> lens clear is a possibility. >> >> Joe C. >> > > The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge > windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved > fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between > destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound > bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. > > j > > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 12:14:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:14:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <97EA90E0-B052-4AC1-9CBF-B86492B1CD6E@bnj.com> By the time they get into the shroud they're probably going faster, a lot of acceleration in that last few feet. I wonder what's going through the goose's mind at that moment. Reminds me of this joke: What's the last thing going through a junebug's brain when he hits your face shield? His ass. On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:10 AM, robert bownes wrote: > f=1/2mv^2 > > Mass of bird = 5kilos > Velocity = 300km/hr > > f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J > > which is > 53,776 Calories > 165951 ft pounds force > 213 BTU's > > > Alot any way you slice it. > > > Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A > level > physics. > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall > wrote: > >> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would >>> have >>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>> >>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep >>> debris from >>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>> >>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to >>> keep the >>> lens clear is a possibility. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >> >> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex >> revolved >> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference >> between >> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a >> 10 pound >> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run >> the math. >> >> j >> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 12:32:58 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium><0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert bownes Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM To: J.C. Hassall; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal f=1/2mv^2 Mass of bird = 5kilos Velocity = 300km/hr f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J which is 53,776 Calories 165951 ft pounds force 213 BTU's Alot any way you slice it. Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level physics. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: > >> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >> >> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >> accumulating and restricting air flow. >> >> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >> lens clear is a possibility. >> >> Joe C. >> > > The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge > windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved > fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between > destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound > bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. > > j > > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 16:37:52 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <52D0C8B6.20C86368.00159EE9@cs.com> Hoover went to Australia and got his license so he could continue to fly airshows. Age is an arbitary benchmark for making policy. Wiry little shit with eyes like an eagle. kinda like Yeager. These guys are in a category by himself/ age doesnt seem to have much to do with it. >Bob Hoover is still alive I think, but he got his US ticket pulled in >the '90's by some punks at the FAA who were trying to push a mandatory >retirement age issue unrelated to medical fitness. He did finally get >it back, but I doubt he does much flying now, he has to be pushing 90. >I saw him fly P51's and commuter planes in airshows. Amazing control. >A bona fide all american hero. Buddy of Chuck Yeager, broke out of >WWII german prison camp, stole a plane and made it to the Netherlands. >There must be a biography of him somewhere. If not, there darned sure >should be. What a life!! > >On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, >> Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: >> >> >>> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >>> >> That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both >> engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Jan 19 17:09:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:09:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Message-ID: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's >Hallett 1982 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jan 19 19:00:14 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:00:14 EST Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Message-ID: Who's in the #72 TR6 that flashes by? I recognize the livery... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Jan 19 19:02:37 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:02:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint scheme. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's >Hallett 1982 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Jan 19 19:10:39 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:10:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium><0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> Message-ID: <4975329F.3030502@verizon.net> It's not just ingestion into the engines that make bird strikes dangerous. Years ago I worked on the B-1B program and we had a ship go down in Colorado on a low level training mission. A pelican, that's right a pelican in Colorado, struck the joint between the engine nacelle and the wing, penetrated the nacelle and took out fuel and hydraulic lines. The result was fire, loss of thrust and control authority. All of this at 500mph and about 500ft. The four crewman ejected safely but there were two instructor/observers on board in jump seats. They didn't have time to get out. The vulnerable area the bird hit was only about 4 inches high and covered by a thin aerodynamic fairing. A true case of a golden BB. As a result there was a mod implemented where they put a rigid deflector behind the aerodynamic fairing. Richard Taylor wrote: > I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the > velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robert bownes > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM > To: J.C. Hassall; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > f=1/2mv^2 > > Mass of bird = 5kilos > Velocity = 300km/hr > > f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J > > which is > 53,776 Calories > 165951 ft pounds force > 213 BTU's > > > Alot any way you slice it. > > > Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level > physics. > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall > wrote: > > >> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >> >> >>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>> >>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>> >>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >>> lens clear is a possibility. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >>> >> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved >> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between >> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound >> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the >> > math. > >> j >> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:07:59 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bird Avoidance Systems Message-ID: <6D04919F.0398B7D4.00159EE9@cs.com> As you might expect, the military has conducted extensive studies on BIRD AVOIDANCE in flight operations. One of your FOT has been involved in those studies, with an office in the Air Force Academy. Those studies are easily justified when compared to the cost of equipment and pilot training. Joe >It's not just ingestion into the engines that make bird strikes >dangerous. Years ago I worked on the B-1B program and we had a ship go >down in Colorado on a low level training mission. A pelican, that's >right a pelican in Colorado, struck the joint between the engine nacelle >and the wing, penetrated the nacelle and took out fuel and hydraulic >lines. The result was fire, loss of thrust and control authority. All of >this at 500mph and about 500ft. The four crewman ejected safely but >there were two instructor/observers on board in jump seats. They didn't >have time to get out. The vulnerable area the bird hit was only about 4 >inches high and covered by a thin aerodynamic fairing. A true case of a >golden BB. As a result there was a mod implemented where they put a >rigid deflector behind the aerodynamic fairing. > >Richard Taylor wrote: >> I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the >> velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of robert bownes >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM >> To: J.C. Hassall; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >> >> f=1/2mv^2 >> >> Mass of bird = 5kilos >> Velocity = 300km/hr >> >> f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J >> >> which is >> 53,776 Calories >> 165951 ft pounds force >> 213 BTU's >> >> >> Alot any way you slice it. >> >> >> Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level >> physics. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall >> wrote: >> >> >>> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >>>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>>> >>>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >>>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>>> >>>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >>>> lens clear is a possibility. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> >>>> >>> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >>> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved >>> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between >>> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound >>> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the >>> >> math. >> >>> j >>> >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. Hassall >>> Blacksburg VA >>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:14:25 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER Message-ID: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> What is the name of the company in California? Thanks, Joe From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Jan 19 20:28:59 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:28:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: http://www.rockerarms.com/ Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:14 PM To: koblinger at verizon.net Cc: "'FOT'" Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER What is the name of the company in California? Thanks, Joe Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 19 20:30:55 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. mjb. http://www.dimebank.com/monster From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:29:42 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM SPECIALISTS rockerarms.com Message-ID: <40E8FC05.0E03360B.00159EE9@cs.com> got it! From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jan 19 20:33:51 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:33:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: > I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint > scheme. Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) > Mike rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Jan 19 21:11:53 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 References: Message-ID: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a picture and blurb. http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has asked me to check on a possible FOT event. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: > >> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >> scheme. > > Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) > >> Mike > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 19 21:55:42 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:55:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes, I remember seeing him in his yellow P-51 in Idaho Falls....................................Henry Morrison> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700> To: tarch at bellsouth.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal> > On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:> > >> > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander> > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture.> > That and the one wheel bunny hop down the runway made quite a > impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing his stuff?> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Jan 19 22:13:14 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:13:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49755D6A.6080703@dfn.com> dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: > Yes, I remember seeing him in his yellow P-51 in Idaho > No longer. His license was revoked because of health reasons. He appealed, and eventually got it back, but, by that time, the damage had been done--couldn't get insurance--he is, after all, now 86. The Shrike Aero Commander he flew in air shows is now at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover Last time I saw him fly was 1993. Cheers. > Falls....................................Henry Morrison> From: > Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700> To: > tarch at bellsouth.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal> > >> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:> > >> > If you ever saw >> > Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander> > with both > engines feathered, you'll get the picture.> > That and the one wheel bunny hop > down the runway made quite a > impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing > his stuff?> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> > -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From VANDECARR at aol.com Tue Jan 20 08:39:08 2009 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:39:08 EST Subject: [Fot] alloy drive shaft Message-ID: I had an aluminum driveshaft made for my V8 powered Triumph from Inland Driveshafts (http://www.iedls.com/driveshafts.html). At the time I was running the Triumph Dif, I sent them the TR flange and they made a driveshaft flange that was a perfect fit. After 1 season I put a race motor in and changed to a BMW dif. Kept the drivedshaft and just had them make a new flange. Price was reasonable and the best thing is that it comes with HD u-joints. I have been putting about 400 hp and almost 400 ftlbs of torque to it for over 4 years and no problems. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jan 20 08:41:41 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:41:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Does anyone know of a non-roller rocker arm for a TR6 which is stock appearing and will give a higher ratio than the stock rocker arm. Seems to me I heard of one somewhere once. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER > Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: > > http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm > > Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. > > mjb. > > http://www.dimebank.com/monster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jan 20 14:08:44 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:08:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 References: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- Midwest Division driver. He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. PLN beat Art Pasmas of Denver, Colo., to win GT1 and 1st o/a by 5.87 seconds, and set a new GT1 track record of 1:22.70 (that record today is down to 1:15.5) --Rocky Entriken (MiDiv Pointskeeper) ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a > picture and blurb. > > http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ > > Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has asked > me to check on a possible FOT event. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Lang" > To: "Mike Munson" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > > >> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: >> >>> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >>> scheme. >> >> Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) >> >>> Mike From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 20 14:18:11 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> References: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> Message-ID: Might have been Dennis not Jim Ray, but it was still my original car. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "BOB KRAMER" ; "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- > Midwest Division driver. > > He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. > > PLN beat Art Pasmas of Denver, Colo., to win GT1 and 1st o/a by 5.87 > seconds, and set a new GT1 track record of 1:22.70 (that record today is > down to 1:15.5) > > --Rocky Entriken (MiDiv Pointskeeper) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > > >> That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a >> picture and blurb. >> >> http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ >> >> Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has >> asked me to check on a possible FOT event. >> >> Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Lang" >> To: "Mike Munson" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 >> >> >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >>>> scheme. >>> >>> Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) >>> >>>> Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 20 14:36:42 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:36:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hallett 1982 Message-ID: **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=D ecemailfooterNO62) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:16:53 EST Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 To: rocky at spitfire4.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 01/20/2009 3:09:31 PM Central Standard Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: > Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- Midwest > > Division driver. > > He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. > Denny still races some vintage. I see him, now and again, at VSCDA events in a very fast Lotus VII. His dad, Pop Wilson, was an early TRIUMPH dealer, and a hoot to boot. I used to see Pop at GATEWAY when Joe Marchetti ran a couple of GATEWAY HISTORIC RACES vintage events many years ago. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 14:53:20 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: References: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: It's Dennis Wilson. And yes, it is kas' old car, now in the hands of Jack Madison and me. Sam Halkias> From: fasttrs at mindspring.com> To: dave at microworks.net; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:02:37 -0600> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982> > I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint> scheme.> > Mike> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On> Behalf Of David W. Riddle> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 PM> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982> > Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's> > > >Hallett 1982> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009> 9:37 AM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jan 20 17:41:05 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:41:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: More Vintage Racing in Oklahoma Message-ID: <49766F21.5090502@pobox.com> 1977 Ponca City this time. John Lee races with CVAR. Apparently, his brother was driving the TR4. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=oRznXCM6DIxC/+RV3vSlP8BKYy/mgQA31gPWIp5OvxMdHVVPawgMlE7aBvEtrf7amL4RijiyNdYAkl2zyBARL60yt9vOEMx3l1fm7bqqm4HLOH6UmGhNNFRiA83mVIhv; Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.85] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 17090293-m2777 X-Sender: texwebs at yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98142 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.184.115.128 From: "texwebs" X-Yahoo-Profile: texwebs Sender: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list cvar_general at yahoogroups.com; contact cvar_general-owner at yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list cvar_general at yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:51:08 -0000 Subject: [cvar_general] The good old days Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Video (8mm film) of my brother and I at Ponca City Grand Prix. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3EFnBYxCRE From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 07:35:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:35:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Message-ID: If I would follow your idea I would overbore the bushing bore and set a new bushing which is offset honed. I think you can get 1mm out of it. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Charly Mitchel Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 16:42 An: Mark J Bradakis; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER Does anyone know of a non-roller rocker arm for a TR6 which is stock appearing and will give a higher ratio than the stock rocker arm. Seems to me I heard of one somewhere once. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER > Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: > > http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm > > Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. > > mjb. > > http://www.dimebank.com/monster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jan 21 08:12:03 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Message-ID: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> MadMarx wrote: > If I would follow your idea I would overbore the bushing bore and set a new > bushing which is offset honed. > I think you can get 1mm out of it. > > This will work, but, it's not the best method. The rocker shaft and valve positions are fixed. For the optimum rocker nose contact with the valve stem head, the distance between the rocker bore center and the contact point of the nose should also remain fixed. There's also the additional problem of weakening the stock rocker by additional boring. Ideally, the ratio should be increased by decreasing the bore center to pushrod point, because that end of the rocker is made to operate with some misalignment. This could be accomplished by overdrilling, rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. The same proviso about weakening the rocker at a stress point still applies. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From paulking at charter.net Wed Jan 21 09:31:53 2009 From: paulking at charter.net (Paul King) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring Message-ID: <01C275E3047E452C9FFDE9A8A79283DF@OFFICEDESKTOP> GT6/Spitfire racers, After running a 5 leaf rear spring (a swing spring on a recommendation from the source of my front coil-over units), I've decided I need a higher rate spring. I believe my current spring to be 110 lb. at the wheel (Spit swing spring). It's great in the wet, but that's about it. Any suggestions on what stock springs (Spit 7 leaf?) have worked, or should I just go the custom route? Thanks! Paul King '72 GT6 Mk3 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 21 10:20:32 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:20:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com><7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> Message-ID: <00a501c97bec$914e35d0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > This could be accomplished by overdrilling, > rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then > drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. Seems to me that it wouldn't be any harder to move the shaft center. Randall From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 21 10:26:52 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <01C275E3047E452C9FFDE9A8A79283DF@OFFICEDESKTOP> Message-ID: <20090121172652.OHLU8485.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> First off, I am wondering why you are running a Spit Swing Spring. That product inherently makes the suspension softer and induces a lot of body roll. What I did to increase the spring rate in my former autocross car (that had Rotoflex rear suspension) was to add a leaf to the stack. The leaf was much stiffer than any of the ones that were previously there and added the required stiffness. I had to remove one of the shorter leaves in order to maintain the original thickness of the stack. Now, that will not work with a Swing-spring setup because of the bend in all but the main leaf. So this is another reason to lose that swing-spring setup. Joe C. P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But again it is not "Swing-Spring" -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul King Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:32 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring GT6/Spitfire racers, After running a 5 leaf rear spring (a swing spring on a recommendation from the source of my front coil-over units), I've decided I need a higher rate spring. I believe my current spring to be 110 lb. at the wheel (Spit swing spring). It's great in the wet, but that's about it. Any suggestions on what stock springs (Spit 7 leaf?) have worked, or should I just go the custom route? Thanks! Paul King '72 GT6 Mk3 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Wed Jan 21 13:23:42 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <20090121172652.OHLU8485.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <8CB4A1D49C553C0-1364-BE4@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But again it is not "Swing-Spring" ==AM== Joe, you're thinking of the spring for the Herald Courier van. It's very, very stiff (I can probably find rates in my books at home), and it has less of an arch in "static" condition than do most other Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire/GT6 springs. It might almost be overkill for a GT6, but I think the concept actually was not unlike what the factory used for the various "Works" Spitfires. A vendor in the UK had commissioned a new run of the Courier spring last year, but I believe he's sold out at the moment. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Jan 21 13:28:54 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:28:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <8CB4A1D49C553C0-1364-BE4@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In the good old days you could order a competition spring from the factory. I loved those V parts. I still have many on Zippy. On 1/21/09 2:23 PM, "Andrew Mace" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Curry > > P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon > that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But > again it is not "Swing-Spring" > > > > ==AM== > Joe, you're thinking of the spring for the Herald Courier van. It's very, very > stiff (I can probably find rates in my books at home), and it has less of an > arch in "static" condition than do most other Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire/GT6 > springs. It might almost be overkill for a GT6, but I think the concept > actually was not unlike what the factory used for the various "Works" > Spitfires. > > A vendor in the UK had commissioned a new run of the Courier spring last year, > but I believe he's sold out at the moment. > > > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 15:16:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:16:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> Message-ID: I agree, not the best method and from my opinion to change the ratio is not a precise thing to do and can cause forces to the components with disastrous results. What I have done is to reshape the contact point of the of the nose. The difference is that with this profile on the nose I have a ratio change during the valve lift. The rest is done by the cam with 310 degree. Cheers -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael Porter [mailto:mdporter at dfn.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2009 16:12 An: MadMarx Cc: 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER This will work, but, it's not the best method. The rocker shaft and valve positions are fixed. For the optimum rocker nose contact with the valve stem head, the distance between the rocker bore center and the contact point of the nose should also remain fixed. There's also the additional problem of weakening the stock rocker by additional boring. Ideally, the ratio should be increased by decreasing the bore center to pushrod point, because that end of the rocker is made to operate with some misalignment. This could be accomplished by overdrilling, rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. The same proviso about weakening the rocker at a stress point still applies. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jan 21 15:17:30 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:17:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Herald parts cars Message-ID: <014f01c97c16$0dfbcba0$32601a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> I don't know if anyone is contemplating a Herald project, but I thought i would throw this out. A friend, Jim Fordice, is building a Herald convertible and is buying two sedan parts cars from a boneyard in Iowa to help with the project. He would like to sell off the surplus. his # is 319-938-2200. best reached m,t, and th evenings. art de armond From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 21 16:47:02 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:47:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? Thanks Dennis DeLap From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 21 21:31:19 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:31:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps Message-ID: Good Evening, I got the TR7 with the Dolly Sprint engine out on the road last Saturday and it was fun to zip around in. Sunday Morning we went out to start it up and the first crank it mad a nasty clank rattle rattle noise I remember from my days of blowing up FIATs (like when the timing belts break). I tested the engine for compression and nothing from number 3. I assume the piston hit the valves and who knows what the damage is. Anybody had any experience with this? The engine has a timing chain and I can see it didn't break. Anybody know of things I should do to make this engine more reliable during the rebuild? ......................Cheers, Henry Morrison, more Triumphs than Brains From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jan 21 21:37:02 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a really good forum here which is based in UK and has a lot of Sprint info and experts. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5 Cool that you have a TR7 with a Sprint engine. Do you have any pictures of the car that you can share? Thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com Sent: January 21, 2009 11:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps Good Evening, I got the TR7 with the Dolly Sprint engine out on the road last Saturday and it was fun to zip around in. Sunday Morning we went out to start it up and the first crank it mad a nasty clank rattle rattle noise I remember from my days of blowing up FIATs (like when the timing belts break). I tested the engine for compression and nothing from number 3. I assume the piston hit the valves and who knows what the damage is. Anybody had any experience with this? The engine has a timing chain and I can see it didn't break. Anybody know of things I should do to make this engine more reliable during the rebuild? ......................Cheers, Henry Morrison, more Triumphs than Brains Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Jan 22 08:11:16 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:11:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:02:21 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:02:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901220902x748df79ajd3c3dbd64a1bfa2a@mail.gmail.com> Morty, what are you using for sway bars? Is your TR solid rear or IRS? These numbers would seem very stiff for a TR6. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Gasket Works wrote: > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front > > M > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the > rear of your cars? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 22 10:17:16 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:17:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8CB4ACC687D2A43-1F0-45B@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Wow- Those aren't springs...they're solid blocks! Seriously, I've wanted to run stiffer springs myself and just haven't gotten to it yet...where did I put that list? I have spring that are 600 in the front and 500 in the rear,? I run those with a 7/8" front sway bar with about a 5" lever arm and a 9/16" rear with about a 10" lever arm.? The car is neutral just about anywhere and everywhere, except hard trail braking...it tends to get just a tad tail happy.? The car could be stiffer as it does take moment too long to settle in a corner.? Now I have an end point for further mods...800 & 1000 jeez... Spring is, just around the corner... ???????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal TR4 IRS -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:32:13 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:32:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Dang. I havent found my numbers yet but those are about double what I ran in the TR6 (I think). Marty> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:11:16 -0800> From: gasket.works at verizon.net> To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate> > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front> > M> > www.headgasket.com> Gasket Works USA, LLC> 626.358.1616 Voice> 626.628.3777 Fax> GMT -8 Pacific> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM> Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate> > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers.> > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS.> > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the> rear of your cars?> >> > Thanks> > Dennis DeLap> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT _TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jan 22 10:51:41 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:51:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: Mordy, I'm very interested in your setup. You haven't seen my TR4A. I missed getting it ready for Hallett but I have been running it since September of 06 with TriumphTune springs. They suggest and I bought their 420 lb.in fronts and 550 lb/in rears. I am using 7/8" swaybars sold by Goodparts. If you look at the picture from the Glen it is pretty obvious that I am a little too soft in the springs. I suppose you had your springs made up locally and I am going to have to have some made up and start making adjustments. Your car must run on rails. On another subject, Hallett. Do you think people would come from CA if I set up an FoT event there in Spring 2010? I got a couple of yes responses, but I am not encouraged. Do you think it would be better to try a Texas track? It isn't any further for you Socal guys but it is from the Midwest. We have the refurbished and very fast Texas World Speedway which we run at the end of Feb/early Mar or new track very technical track north of Ft Worth called Eagles Canyon that we run in May. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gasket Works Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:11 AM To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Watkins Glen Pro Photos 001.jpg] From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jan 22 11:16:29 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <20090122181629.54QBQ.238244.root@cdptpa-web14-z01> What kind of shocks are you using to control those high spring rates? Bob ---- Gasket Works wrote: > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front > > M > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the > rear of your cars? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 22 11:23:13 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: <380-220091422182313578@earthlink.net> Dennis, When Fletcher ran the TR6 he used anywhere from 900 to 1100 springs on the front, and anywhere from 500 to about 700 in the rear, we used weight jackers to set the ride height and corner weights. He used solid bars front and rear, 1" and 7/8" respectfully. When I ran the car in this configuration we used 1000F and 800R. Yes the car was stiff but seemed to like it. I wouldn't argue with success. Fletcher won the Eprod Championship in 91 and did well wiith it in the GT3 configuration for a number of years also. I am in the process of bringing old Helen back to life with a rebody and some updating. I ran it for 4-5 years in the old configuration and couldn't catch the really fast RX-7's but was always top 3-5 on the grid. I hope to get her out sometime next year. Chip > [Original Message] > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Jan 22 11:27:02 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:27:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: Bob, FYI there are a few of us working on a rather large event that would have a large corporate sponsor and run on Heartland Park Topeka in probably late august of 2010. The Corp. Sponsor is already excited and their maybe a good opportunity for us here as HPT has not had "Vintage Racing" in a number of years. I'll fill you in more later. Gary Fuqua **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Jan 22 15:14:07 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:14:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <380-220091422182313578@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Another factor to consider is the stiffness of the chassis. Fletcher's car (Hellen) had an extremely stiff chassis with chromoly tubing. It was very responsive to spring rate changes. When he won the EP Championship we had 1000# front and 1100# in the back because the car had a 48%FR to 52%RR weight balance. It was frustrating keeping up with the changes that Fletcher made because he and I both were bad about not keeping notes. BTW Chip I always spell it "Hellen" because she has been to hell and back. :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CHIP COLLINGWOOD Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:23 PM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Dennis, When Fletcher ran the TR6 he used anywhere from 900 to 1100 springs on the front, and anywhere from 500 to about 700 in the rear, we used weight jackers to set the ride height and corner weights. He used solid bars front and rear, 1" and 7/8" respectfully. When I ran the car in this configuration we used 1000F and 800R. Yes the car was stiff but seemed to like it. I wouldn't argue with success. Fletcher won the Eprod Championship in 91 and did well wiith it in the GT3 configuration for a number of years also. I am in the process of bringing old Helen back to life with a rebody and some updating. I ran it for 4-5 years in the old configuration and couldn't catch the really fast RX-7's but was always top 3-5 on the grid. I hope to get her out sometime next year. Chip > [Original Message] > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 7:08 AM From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 23 11:29:47 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 11:40:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:40:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race a spitfire because...terrific handling racecar..parts readily available...easy access to engine bay(like the GT6)..I can leave the car on the trailer in my garage..open the bonnet.. and do the work..including front suspension stuff...When I was young i raced TR4s..I loved them and still do, but the spitfire is just simpler since I do all of my own work except machining and engine assembly Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 23 12:00:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:00:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9049F76A-DA5B-43F3-A7A9-FD733590FE98@bnj.com> I think specials, if you can find one, are a great way to go racing. A lot more flexibility than a stock-based race car, and while they might be more expensive to acquire, they can be cheaper to run and cheaper to repair (or not). If I were really going to do it right I'd get Joe Alexander to get me a lightweight AMBRO body built, a lightweight RATCO frame and build a TR-based special with all the bells and whistles. You'd have to get it blessed by your vintage organization, and most would say no, but it would be a great car. If you did it carefully you could get FIA papers for it as a replica--the europeans think this is a more rational approach than wearing out historic objects. Failing that I'd do a spitty and build it right on the bleeding edge of legal. There are some great ones here in Portland, and they have a blast racing each other. You can make them awfully fast. I've forgotten that guys name at Road America, but he could outdrag Peyote down the straight, and Peyote ain't slow. Only way I stayed with him at all was drive out of the corners--the big TR motors have more torque. Best way to get a race car is to buy a race car--much cheaper than building one. But building them is fun in a masochistic way. On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I > said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big > ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire > to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will > take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least > I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jan 23 14:47:57 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090123214757.VHU7V.253037.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> I may be different from a lot of the racers. I admire someone who can keep the same car for years. Me, I'm trying to build and race every car that I have pined over through the years when I couldn't afford the sport. TR4, Datsun 2000, GT6, 510 Sedan are all behind me now. But I have landed on my present project....a 1957 TR3.....and plan on sticking with it for a long time. A couple of really good inspirations in Florida where I live, in Mike Jackson and Tim Suddard who race a TR3 very successfully. Like the guy with the Harley who loves the unique sound it makes, the 4 banger TR has that same uniqueness and especially the look. Bob (in cold Florida) ---- Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 23 13:51:52 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Jan 23 14:19:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <33345DE8.0951D5B2.00159EE9@cs.com> there is a Spitfire about an hour from me. it is all but ready to race. if anyone is interested, please let me know. yes, it has all of the right safety equipment and it runs. AMBRO is cool....Tony Vigliotti would like to build a lightweight frame for an AMBRO. There are two bodies available at the moment. Time & cost is an issue if those are factors in your decision. Spitfire seems to be the directon respondees point in so far. there has been a gain in popularity. joe a >I think specials, if you can find one, are a great way to go racing. >A lot more flexibility than a stock-based race car, and while they >might be more expensive to acquire, they can be cheaper to run and >cheaper to repair (or not). If I were really going to do it right I'd >get Joe Alexander to get me a lightweight AMBRO body built, a >lightweight RATCO frame and build a TR-based special with all the >bells and whistles. You'd have to get it blessed by your vintage >organization, and most would say no, but it would be a great car. If >you did it carefully you could get FIA papers for it as a replica--the >europeans think this is a more rational approach than wearing out >historic objects. > >Failing that I'd do a spitty and build it right on the bleeding edge >of legal. There are some great ones here in Portland, and they have a >blast racing each other. You can make them awfully fast. I've >forgotten that guys name at Road America, but he could outdrag Peyote >down the straight, and Peyote ain't slow. Only way I stayed with him >at all was drive out of the corners--the big TR motors have more >torque. Best way to get a race car is to buy a race car--much cheaper >than building one. But building them is fun in a masochistic way. > >On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> >> I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I >> said >> planning, scheming and dreaming... >> >> I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not >> certain >> it would be a durable racer over the long haul. >> >> So lets hear. >> >> Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. >> >> Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big >> ticket item >> for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. >> >> So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire >> to do >> those right now) I think she's done. >> >> Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will >> take a >> great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least >> I've >> make a commitment to the dream. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jan 23 14:21:30 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Which year? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Jan 23 14:48:04 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:48:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Simply enough it was what I had, and in a sense also its lack of reliability. In 1965 I decided I needed a sports car. I looked at a Midget, but the steering was way loose (and the MG dealer said that was normal in sports cars!). Then I went to the Triumph dealer and he had a Spitfire on the lot for $1300. Steering wasn't loose. I bought it. Still have it. It was my daily driver for 5 years, and my autocrosser. It also managed to break down every October just when the Divisional Championship came around. Finally got tired of that, gave it to my brother (who was by then working as a mechanic at the shop where I bought it) and he built it into a race car. Took it back 3 years later. Although race cars do break, it has proven a lot more reliable in race trim. Of course, I quickly came to love the Spitfire's ease of access for working on it. And these days, the relatively easy availability of parts & expertise. There's a reason I've owned this car for 44 years now. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 23 14:55:06 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:55:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EE7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Sorry - 1500 (1974, specifically). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:21 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Which year? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jan 23 15:09:49 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:09:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race what I race because a local guy was willing to finance part of my TR3 purchased back in 1996 when I was a poorer man than I am today. I have always been a TR250-TR6 guy, owning my first in 1977 so I gravitated to the TR4 body style. Having raced a TR3, TR4, and now a TR4A IRS I'm probably going to eventually end up racing a TR6. I started in the TR3 because it was cheap but this is a temporary thing. You probably know that. So, if you like GT6's then you should race a GT6, but starting with a Spit, or a TR4 because you can grab a good one and get started is as good as it gets. If you hold out for a GT6 or worse yet, decide to build one to go racing, well good luck with that. Bob Kramer Texas TR4A #29 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rocky Entriken Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:48 PM To: Andre Rousseau; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Simply enough it was what I had, and in a sense also its lack of reliability. In 1965 I decided I needed a sports car. I looked at a Midget, but the steering was way loose (and the MG dealer said that was normal in sports cars!). Then I went to the Triumph dealer and he had a Spitfire on the lot for $1300. Steering wasn't loose. I bought it. Still have it. It was my daily driver for 5 years, and my autocrosser. It also managed to break down every October just when the Divisional Championship came around. Finally got tired of that, gave it to my brother (who was by then working as a mechanic at the shop where I bought it) and he built it into a race car. Took it back 3 years later. Although race cars do break, it has proven a lot more reliable in race trim. Of course, I quickly came to love the Spitfire's ease of access for working on it. And these days, the relatively easy availability of parts & expertise. There's a reason I've owned this car for 44 years now. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jan 23 16:49:19 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:49:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race a TR6. I built it because I had two parts cars and figured that was enough to get started. I'm sure we all know where that went. Anyway, I've had a TR6 since '71. Dad bought one and I was the chief mechanic. At age 15. Really. So I've been playing with TR6 for 38 years. They sort of grew on me. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jan 23 16:58:43 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:58:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no one said I had good sense..... Race what is fun for you.. Dean T. Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 23 19:49:57 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497A81D5.7000605@bradakis.com> > So I've been playing with TR6 for 38 years. > > They sort of grew on me. > Grew on you? You mean like warts? mjb. From britbits at netzero.com Fri Jan 23 20:09:16 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c97dd1$254f7150$6b513542@jrg> Andre, For me, it's what's been available at a reasonable price. That's been Spitfires. As has been pointed out, you can probably find cars that have been converted to race cars soon after being sold. And if you're going to go racing, that's usually the cheapest way to start, as most race cars will sell for less than 1/2 what they cost to build. Some of them aren't worth 1/4 what they cost to build. That's the argument against a "prebuilt" race car. Spitfires are more common because they're the most common of the Triumphs on our side of the pond. 18 years and some 300k+ cars built. Only topped by the TR7/8s in initial production numbers and the 7/8s are not vintage legal for most groups. Yes, you can find big TRs as race cars. Some may be deals.. Some may be tired pieces of mechanical bits. You have to do your research. And the Spitfire (and GT6) is such an easy engine/trans to work on. Lift the front clip for engine work, pull a trans cover for the inside. The biggest downside on the Spitfire line is the rear swing axles. Specifically the hubs. There are people on the list who've run stock axles.. And some got some wild rides.. Right Ed? As has been said, if you can pick up a prepped car it'll usually be less than 1/2 of what you'll spend on your own home project. Keep your eyes/ears open. Lots of deals have been from people who've had good cars but had to sell because of life changes. Divorce or disability. Not trying to suggest being a ghoul, it's just where the deals are. I was offered my autocrosser after being vetted by the original owners. The main owner was going through divorce/house sale. The car is a gem. The spares were trash. But I had been around the club long enough that I was the chosen sucker. It can be a liability being known. ;) Overall it's been a good ride. Aside from snapping u-joints and replacing cracking steel rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low cost, approved defensive driving courses! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8QcrSjiMdBMyrZrK5sDwOHJzHWjsnGwT3GpfW7yh88O8k9v/ From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 23 20:18:25 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:18:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved that car. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the > track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but > dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's > onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start > all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and > used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I > would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no > one said I had good sense..... > > Race what is fun for you.. > > Dean T. > Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: > > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 23 20:25:04 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Loose many coffee cups? ;) A. On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, > sitting my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light > to change , then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting > a cigarette and picking up my coffee had all the people in back of > me in stitches. It was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer > too. I really did loved that car. > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on >> the >> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all >> but >> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think >> today's >> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped >> start >> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 >> and >> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about >> racing I >> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. >> But no >> one said I had good sense..... >> >> Race what is fun for you.. >> >> Dean T. >> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >> >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:15:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:15:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> Tr3s....another favorite car of mine....I love them all...British..Italian...German....American....So many cars...So little time(seriously).....It's kind of like our kids.....We put in the love, care, and time..and then.....we can be Happy as hell because we did so...and we want to do so more!..... that's one of the great thing about groups like this! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "Friends of Triumph Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loose many coffee cups? > > ;) > > A. > > On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:19:07 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: If we could repair our lungs like we can repair our cars we could still be enjoying a smoke darn i want a smoke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting > my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , > then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and > picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It > was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved > that car. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >> one said I had good sense..... >> >> Race what is fun for you.. >> >> Dean T. >> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >> >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:22:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:22:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Don't smoke Rob..you can do it! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > If we could repair our lungs like we can repair our cars we could still be > enjoying a smoke darn i want a smoke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 21:50:08 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <301573.67317.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mk1, Mk2/3 or MkIV/1500? --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Barr, Scott wrote: From: Barr, Scott Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 2:51 PM Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 06:04:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:04:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I have the car since I was a student in year 1989. I've done fun rides that time on the Nordschleife and became quite fast on that track but unfortunately on open roads too. I very often found myself with over 110 mph on narrow roads through woods. I was prone to have an big accident one day with this driving. 2003 I met a race mechanic on the Nordschleife and he did a ride with me and said: You must race! That was the start shot. Equipped the car to suit racing and then here we go since year 2004. Was big fun till now. The coming season will be interesting for me because I will run a low fat car. Cheers Chris From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 08:09:44 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media Message-ID: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> Interesting thread as I have been toying with the idea of taking an extra set of carbs and bead blasting everything including the manifold for that clean beadblasted look as an assembly. Think there is anything in the alloy of the carb peices that the loss of the patina might accelerate coorosion? My biggest fear is the beads in my engine which is why I probably won't do it... In the past I have had very good luck with Kas' method. I was however always surprised how quickly it all went back to the basic SU look, kinda like learning to like green bronze on my sailboat. Admittedly, my car suffers from months - sometimes years of back-burner syndrome where another toy gets my primping time and the TR just gets driven... Cheers, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 08:15:31 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> Another great advantage of a TR3 is all the tools you can pick up in the middle of the highway. My best was a torque wrench I got on the San Diego Freeway, took two tries and several flipped birds to get it... From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 24 08:17:09 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:17:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: You can use soda or plastic as the blast media, soda would probably be best, but I wouldn't expect it to stay pristine long. On Jan 24, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Interesting thread as I have been toying with the idea of taking an > extra set > of carbs and bead blasting everything including the manifold for > that clean > beadblasted look as an assembly. Think there is anything in the > alloy of the > carb peices that the loss of the patina might accelerate coorosion? > My biggest > fear is the beads in my engine which is why I probably won't do it... > > In the past I have had very good luck with Kas' method. I was > however always > surprised how quickly it all went back to the basic SU look, kinda > like > learning to like green bronze on my sailboat. Admittedly, my car > suffers from > months - sometimes years of back-burner syndrome where another toy > gets my > primping time and the TR just gets driven... > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jan 24 09:03:30 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <4362ae390901240803n2a9fe449v3090973098ba6425@mail.gmail.com> This stuff is outstanding. I've been taking notes through the whole process. I will place them on my site so I can refer to them in my research. If ever have a chance, GT6 all the way, but there are safety considerations to be tested first. I found getting in and out of Bill's caged TR6 interesting enough. http://www.gt6.ca/glen/08raw/Friday/slides/IMG_0515.html But had no issues with Russ Moore's Spit. http://www.gt6.ca/glen/08raw/Friday/slides/IMG_0517.html I think the next time I see a GT6 anywhere, I'll ask if I can test fit the car. Even my wonderful wife things a Spitfire would be a good way to go. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 09:23:59 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake From wensley_tr at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 09:35:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DAE6B387C6F4F8DAD67C1B184902FAB@Desktop> Bob if you break it who going to fix it Quantum Right So listen to them Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:24 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jan 24 09:54:23 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:54:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090124165423.VZQB16090.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > There seems to be some disagreement on > what to use in the OD unit. Bob, I think that qualifies as the understatement of the year ! What I see is that the J-type just doesn't care all that much. The same unit is used on OEM applications that use everything from motor oil to gear oil to ATF. They all seem to work well enough. IMO, the gearbox is what should dictate choice of oil, especially as the TR box just isn't all that rugged and needs all the help it can get. So, if you want to go against Triumph's recommendation and use motor oil, I'd suggest something with lots of ZDDP for protection. Lots of folks use/recommend Valvoline VR1 20W50 and it seems to work well. I recently switched to Redline MT-90 in hopes it would save a marginal transmission. It didn't; but the J-type worked just fine. Haven't decided what I'll try next, but I'm leaning towards the same Valvoline full synthetic gear oil that I use in Triumph differentials. It doesn't use the additive that is a concern with some GL-5 oils (also found in some GL-4 oils, just at a lower concentration) and seems to work very well in my diffs. However, it may be too slick for good synchro operation. If it doesn't work out, I'll probably go back to the MT-90. BTW, Quantum Mechanics also recommends upgrading the thrust washers in the TR6 gearbox to Torrington bearings. That would help them live with the 10W30 non-detergent, but seems kind of extreme to me. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 09:56:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:56:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears shear on oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be do well. I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 10:01:11 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:01:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <1227227243.8833491232816471399.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Because my father in law raced one at le Man's, Sebring and......\\\ And when I was 5 y/0 I was taken to school in a daily car pool in a tr4 ( I was small enough to fit in the rear with another passenger). Seat belt rules and car seats were not enabled .... but, adults should have had more sense. M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca B '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ B Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jan 24 11:55:55 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:55:55 EST Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: Redline has a hi impact gear oil now that I thought would help the diffs. I seem to recall it not being suitable for the gearbox but don't know. Might be worth a look... **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jan 24 13:09:13 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB4C76C2D88BBE-E68-339@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> I use the hi impact Redline in my diff and it seems to be holding up well.? It really is a thick oil and it probably just wouldn't be the best in an od box...or even a straight four speed.? I think it would create shifts measured in the minutes between gears...probably completely unshiftable (is that a word?) in the cold! I'm already slow enough as it is... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Redline has a hi impact gear oil now that I thought would help the diffs. I seem to recall it not being suitable for the gearbox but don't know. Might be worth a look... **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Jan 24 16:21:38 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:21:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> Quantum recommends using Redline MT 90 in the race J-type OD and transmission. Allen On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. > I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. > > But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears > shear on > oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be > do well. > I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 > An: FOT > Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. > Any input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 18:14:31 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! In-Reply-To: <1542998203.626911232845501566.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1228771459.628431232846071928.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I choose a TR4 for several reasons. First, I bought a TR4 after graduating from college in 66 because IB worked one summer at the dealer, Raymond Foreign Sales, Islip NY and they gave me a good deal! I had had aB beater MGA and great looking TR3A in college. I felt if I could get the handling of the MG and the grunt of the 3A I'd be in hog's heaven. The TR4 answered that puzzle. Second, I felt the TR4 would be a B reliable, stable platform and relatively easy/inexpensive to work on. Third, Uncle Jack and "Cousin Joe" had one for sale at a reasonable price and their reputations were impeccable so I bought the one they had for sale. Fourth, Sadly, I flattenned the one I bought from Jack and Joe, but found one locally( Pacific NW) that had history, a fairly new paint job , but needed mechanicals. Fifth, Now that I've been at this for five years, an unexpected bonus for choosing a Triumph--all the help and friendship of those of you on this list!! PS: Anyone else out there in FoT land familiar with Raymond Foreign Sales? When I worked for them they were on Sunrise Highway in Islip, Long Island, later they moved closer to their mothership, Raymond Buick in Bayshore. John James #116 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 24 18:52:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:52:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <67049534-16BB-4546-B1E5-A4975114BD91@bnj.com> I use MT 90 in the diff and gearbox. Works very well. I have a tran-x rear end and straight cut dog box though so YMMV (your mileage may vary) On Jan 24, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Quantum recommends using Redline MT 90 in the race J-type OD and > transmission. > > Allen > > On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. >> I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. >> >> But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears >> shear on >> oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be >> do well. >> I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> Im >> Auftrag von Robert Blake >> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 >> An: FOT >> Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> >> I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 >> TR6. >> There >> seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners >> manual >> recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. >> Any input >> on >> OD appreciated and on fluids in general. >> >> Bob Blake >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jan 24 21:37:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:37:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! References: <1228771459.628431232846071928.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: John, My first exposure to Triumphs was on Long Island. My parents bought a sailboat in Northport and we took sailing lessons from the dealership. The guy giving the lessons, Larry Wierks, drove a red TR4 and dated my sister for a while. That must have been 1970 or so. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! >I choose a TR4 for several reasons. First, I bought a TR4 after graduating > from college in 66 because IB worked one summer at the dealer, Raymond > Foreign > Sales, Islip NY and they gave me a good deal! I had had aB beater MGA and > great looking TR3A in college. I felt if I could get the handling of the > MG > and the grunt of the 3A I'd be in hog's heaven. The TR4 answered that > puzzle. > > > > Second, I felt the TR4 would be a B reliable, stable platform and > relatively > easy/inexpensive to work on. > > > > Third, Uncle Jack and "Cousin Joe" had one for sale at a reasonable price > and > their reputations were impeccable so I bought the one they had for sale. > > > > Fourth, Sadly, I flattenned the one I bought from Jack and Joe, but found > one > locally( Pacific NW) that had history, a fairly new paint job , but needed > mechanicals. > > > > Fifth, Now that I've been at this for five years, an unexpected bonus for > choosing a Triumph--all the help and friendship of those of you on this > list!! > > > > PS: Anyone else out there in FoT land familiar with Raymond Foreign Sales? > When I worked for them they were on Sunrise Highway in Islip, Long Island, > later they moved closer to their mothership, Raymond Buick in Bayshore. > > > > John James > > #116 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jan 24 21:56:52 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:56:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97ea9$574bd490$05e37db0$@com> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:26 PM To: 'Andre Rousseau' Subject: RE: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? We choose to build and race a TR4 because I had a TR4A that I bought new in '66 and had for about 25 years and was familiar with it. Also, it's the car that was around when my son Ryan, my partner in the race car, was growing up so he also was familiar with it. It's pretty basic mechanically, meaning that with some tools and facilities you can pretty much do it all yourself, which is what we did. From the suspension, drive train, frame and including the body work and the painting. The only thing we had done "outside" was the bead blasting of the tub and frame. And, yes, it would have probably been cheaper (and a lot quicker!) if we'd have bought a racer to begin with. But now we now this car inside and out, literally. We've installed and tightened every nut and bolt on the car as well as all the wiring, plumbing, etc. So that's why we race a TR4. And it was a great experience and if I had to do it again, I'd do it the same way just to have the satisfaction that "I built that". Tim and Ryan Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 25 08:32:58 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO/TIPO 61 ON EBAY Message-ID: <38811F5F.4C851F5D.00159EE9@cs.com> for your viewing entertainment, there is an unfinished project on eBay replica/kit car it is not Triumph based. the body has not been touched, but there is a custom frame partially built. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Jan 25 08:43:54 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97f03$baefd8c0$6701a8c0@HP> While tinkering in the garage last night thinking about this string it dawned on my another good reason to choose a TR3; the TR4 and beyond with their wider tracks, independent suspension rack 'n pinion etc are a shoe-in to be faster. So there is no real accomplishment beating a 3 BUT when a 3 beats a 4 etc, well, the humiliation should be unbearable and the gloating justified. I can remember browsing in the pits at a new tr4 with my dad and asking him why we don't get one assuming newer was better. Dad's response was "...sure is fun beating 'em". M From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Jan 25 10:47:06 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission lubricant - as others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. While I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better than the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) seem to be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable people can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to include the Redline product in that test program. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Blake Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake ------------------------------ From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 17:02:59 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem getting it at my local parts store. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guinan" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 (Found > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test with > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. > > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission lubricant - as > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. While > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better than > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) seem to > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable people > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to > include the Redline product in that test program. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > > ------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Robert Blake > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jan 25 17:21:49 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:21:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <20090126002150.RXXQ93.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@randall> > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 > weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&cati > d=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't > work) Also please note that the described test was done "long ago", and on an A-type OD. The J-type is a later design, with quite a few improvements over the A-type (including apparently a tolerance for various kinds of oil). > I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate > that as a logical choice. Funny thing is, lots of folks do use hypoid oil (including the factory !) and they don't have anywhere near the kind of problems that John reports. I don't know why there is a discrepancy, but something doesn't make sense. Randall From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 17:29:58 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006e01c97f4d$3830a050$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Andre, cold and snowy here, too. Was warm Friday and I fired up the TR6 and gave it a good warmup. I'm in the process of replacing the fuel cell. I bought the 6, not because I was a diehard Triumph fan, but more because I had wanted to get into Vintage for a decade or more and happened into the 6. A friend had it, rebuilt it in '93, raced it a couple times and parked it in his basement. (He has a '67 Mustang there now!) It was love at first bite, as soon as I sat in it. He said it wouldn't take much to make it race-ready. Never believe that crap! After sitting for a decade, it needed about everything refreshed. In a previous life, I was a mechanic, so tools and experience were there. Particulars about Triumphs were not. That's what's so nice about FOT; they're a great bunch of folks with a vast pool of knowledge and info and are willing to share. I can safely say that I have learned a lot about Triumphs, from reading and listening; always looking for insight. It was certainly nice falling into this bunch of folks (not sure what adjective to use). I've developed a soft spot for the Triumph brand. Thanks for all the help guys. Andre, as a friend said to me, this ain't no dress rehersal. Get the bloddy car and join in! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Jan 25 19:15:38 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:15:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <0A9659B8742140A58B6058E7EFA82AB7@desktop> Favorite Local Auto Parts Store. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? > BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem > getting it at my local parts store. > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Guinan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, > > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 > (Found > > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test > with > > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. > > > > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission > lubricant - > as > > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street > > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. > While > > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better > than > > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) > seem > to > > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable > people > > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually > > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to > > include the Redline product in that test program. > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) > > From: Robert Blake > > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > > There > > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any > input > > on > > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > > > Bob Blake > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 19:38:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:38:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan><005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <0A9659B8742140A58B6058E7EFA82AB7@desktop> Message-ID: Good one Charly! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > Favorite Local Auto Parts Store. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > To: "Joe Guinan" ; > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > >> I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? >> BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem >> getting it at my local parts store. >> Bill----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Guinan" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> >> >> > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, >> > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - >> > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 >> (Found >> > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their >> test >> with >> > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. >> > >> > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission >> lubricant - >> as >> > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my >> street >> > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. >> While >> > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is >> better >> than >> > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) >> seem >> to >> > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable >> people >> > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually >> > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to >> > include the Redline product in that test program. >> > >> > Joe Guinan >> > Fremont, NE >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) >> > From: Robert Blake >> > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> > >> > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. >> > There >> > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners >> manual >> > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any >> input >> > on >> > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. >> > >> > Bob Blake >> > ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 22:45:27 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:45:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <8CB4ACC687D2A43-1F0-45B@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <211386.33857.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have rear springs with the 0.62 diameter wire and four active coils at the rear of my TR-6 auto-X car. According to a spring calculator they could be as stiff as 970 lbs per inch if the torsional modulus = 10E6 pounds/sq inch. The rear syaybar is solid 11/16" diameter 4130 with 9.5" lever arms. The front springs are a bit softer, but not much. My TR-6 makes a cement mixer feel like a soft cushy ride, so driving to events on the street can be a jarring experience if the pavement is rough. Someday I gotta stop racing my car every month so that I will have enough time to pull the springs and have them accurately measured. J. Prettyleaf aol.com> wrote: From: malaboge at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate To: gasket.works at verizon.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 9:17 AM Wow- Those aren't springs...they're solid blocks! Seriously, I've wanted to run stiffer springs myself and just haven't gotten to it yet...where did I put that list? I have spring that are 600 in the front and 500 in the rear,? I run those with a 7/8" front sway bar with about a 5" lever arm and a 9/16" rear with about a 10" lever arm.? The car is neutral just about anywhere and everywhere, except hard trail braking...it tends to get just a tad tail happy.? The car could be stiffer as it does take moment too long to settle in a corner.? Now I have an end point for further mods...800 & 1000 jeez... Spring is, just around the corner... ???????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal TR4 IRS -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Jan 26 11:59:08 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:59:08 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6: Need quarter windows and dash Message-ID: Hey guys, I have got the Group 44 car nearly done now, but was looking for some real nice used quarter windows for the doors. I have a pair, but would like better chrome. Also, I bought an aftermarket wood dash and am not happy with how original it looks. Anyone have a really good used dash for a 1969 GT6+? Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Mon Jan 26 20:02:57 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE9846AF643FF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Gang I race an MGA Coupe because I had a MKII project car I could not finish when I got married, and had to sell it when I moved from Canada to the states. I race a Lotus Super 7 because I had to cancel the order in the 70's to buy a ring to get married to the gal who made me sell my MGA. I race a Lotus 51 because my new wife lets me race and they are so damn fun. I will be racing a GT6+ as soon as I get it back together because they are a bit of an engineering/driving challenge with the engine so far forward and the poor rear suspension. My brother had one during university while I had a MGB-GT and we use to have a blast them. Cheers to the memories, and those wifes that support our sport :) Bill Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:16 PM To: Andre Rousseau; Kas Kastner Cc: Friends of Triumph Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Tr3s....another favorite car of mine....I love them all...British..Italian...German....American....So many cars...So little time(seriously).....It's kind of like our kids.....We put in the love, care, and time..and then.....we can be Happy as hell because we did so...and we want to do so more!..... that's one of the great thing about groups like this! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "Friends of Triumph Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loose many coffee cups? > > ;) > > A. > > On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 26 21:12:23 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:12:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers Message-ID: I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have the rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on his website.. any help will be appreciated thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jan 27 02:09:45 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers References: Message-ID: <0F0A166CCD624942914F78289D55D391@rocky> No scam. Dave is real (and a longtime friend). He has a business -- Solo Performance Specialties -- which has recently been expanding to service a lot of SCCA needs including winning the deal to be SCCA's primary supplier of apparel and other knickknacks (the SCCA Gear part of his business). He's legit. And he's worlds better than that outfit that was selling tees and stuff the previous couple of years -- better quality products and better service. FWIW, his mother was RE of St. Louis Region about three years and is currently the chair of the Midwest Division Executive Committee. These are longtime, committed and involved SCCA people. That said, I know nothing about what that e-mail was or what the issue there is. You might e-mail Dave direct -- dave at soloperformance.com and politely ask him what's up? --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers >I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have >the > rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my > website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his > sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on > his > website.. > any help will be appreciated > thanks > Racer Bud > Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 07:58:45 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 27 08:07:50 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:07:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF907D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! << the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits >> That sounds right to me. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:59 AM To: Fot Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 10:16:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:16:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers References: <0F0A166CCD624942914F78289D55D391@rocky> Message-ID: <0E6DA758ACAE42DB932486BA6D0F274A@Bud> FYI..I just got an email from Dave Whitworth..he sent me the email in error..all is square thanks Racer bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "RACER BUD" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers > No scam. Dave is real (and a longtime friend). > > He has a business -- Solo Performance Specialties -- which has recently > been expanding to service a lot of SCCA needs including winning the deal > to be SCCA's primary supplier of apparel and other knickknacks (the SCCA > Gear part of his business). He's legit. And he's worlds better than that > outfit that was selling tees and stuff the previous couple of years -- > better quality products and better service. FWIW, his mother was RE of St. > Louis Region about three years and is currently the chair of the Midwest > Division Executive Committee. These are longtime, committed and involved > SCCA people. > > That said, I know nothing about what that e-mail was or what the issue > there is. You might e-mail Dave direct -- dave at soloperformance.com and > politely ask him what's up? > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers > > >>I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have >>the >> rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my >> website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his >> sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on >> his >> website.. >> any help will be appreciated >> thanks >> Racer Bud >> Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jan 27 12:43:01 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:43:01 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT at It's Best Message-ID: Esteemed List, We received a very large box from UPS today. When Jan discovered it in the garage she read the label. It said: "THE REALLY BIG DIAMOND" Store on a very professional looking LABEL. Since it said that, and it was addressed to her, she lugged and drug it into the dining room and started to open it. Under several cubic feet of foam peanuts she found a TR4 long neck radiator. She was very pleased. Well, mostly very amused. Then Dusty, the cat, found that foam peanuts in a box were a great source of amusement..... Thanks to Bill Dentinger........as it replaces the radiator in TR4 #197, which I destroyed beyond repair, in a jacking incident at Watkins Glen. Joe A From jibjib at att.net Tue Jan 27 17:36:08 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:36:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! Jack TR's 3 & 8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM To: Fot Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 18:26:51 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 27 19:12:32 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> As a former Wisconsonite, I must point out that cheese hats are a vertical wedge vs. The horizontal wedgie of the TR7. Steve Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "RACER BUD" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:15:54 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the cheesey look... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:27:17 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:27:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2383D181462C402E847654D735AD7401@Bud> I've never lived in Wisconsin, but I had a girlfriend from Madison back in the 1970s...there were quite a few Wisconsin transplants in the San Francisco bay area, so I was fortunate to meet lots of Wisconsinites at parties, and in the ski club that i belonged to...Beer and Brauts!.... My youngest daughter is married to a young man from a Wisconsin family..(they met at the Air Force Academy)...At their wedding...it was made very clear to me that i was automatically 'part of the family'...and it's stayed that way... If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve belfer" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "Fot" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > As a former Wisconsonite, I must point out that cheese hats are a vertical > wedge vs. The horizontal wedgie of the TR7. > > Steve > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "RACER BUD" > > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:28:34 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: http://www.cheesehead.com/ They would probably do it too. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 27 19:30:19 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C95@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> We wear those all winter here in Wisconsin. They're remarkably warm, especially if you tack on some ear flaps. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: RACER BUD ; Jack Brooks ; 'Fot' Sent: Tue Jan 27 20:15:54 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the cheesey look... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:29:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: Welcome Paul! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination >I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. > Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the > cheesey look... > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:37:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:37:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:43:13 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: That's too easy. Here is a pcture where the guy already has the paint job and 'hats' to go with it. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/ArmySpit.jpg Paul -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: January 27, 2009 9:38 PM To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:47:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <1E04D7666499490A83265EB4A468ED54@Bud> thanks Paul..that photo's going to my kids! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > That's too easy. Here is a pcture where the guy already has the paint job > and 'hats' to go with it. > > http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/ArmySpit.jpg > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: January 27, 2009 9:38 PM > To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; > "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > >> >> http://www.cheesehead.com/ >> >> They would probably do it too. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM >> To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination >> >> >> Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the >> guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! >> Racer bud >> Spitfire#21 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack Brooks" >> To: "'Fot'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination >> >> >>> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >>> >>> Jack >>> TR's 3 & 8 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >>> To: Fot >>> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >>> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >>> >>> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >>> He >>> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >>> >>> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >>> >>> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >>> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >>> like >>> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >>> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >>> >>> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >>> be >>> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >>> >>> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy >>> it >>> I >>> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >>> not >>> to win, but really to push your limits." >>> >>> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >>> >>> Paul MacDonald >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which >>> had >>> a >>> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 27 20:00:36 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:00:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: <3D3C4F0BD1E3425EAC2644914ED6E330@joepentiumnew> I can answer that Bud! The recommended hearwear is one of those leather Aviator Helmet's complete with period goggles! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:38 PM To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 00:02:42 2009 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:02:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ran an A type for several years useing just about anything for oil. my fave for trans shifting was 75/90 synthetic gl5. I built a spare and used that oil and blew the acumulator cover off the box. I guess this one was putting out a bit more pressure than the old one. Need thiner oil. John at quatum knows tr trans listen. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. > I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. > > But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears shear > on > oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be do > well. > I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 > An: FOT > Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any > input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Jan 28 01:37:29 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:37:29 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> > Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? I favour a 'modified' deer stalker, like Sherlock Holmes used to wear. Undo the flaps so they're horizontal and then put a forward facing probe on each front edge to imitate the two 20mm cannons! Might not be too well received if you wore it in Germany, though. Jonmac From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 02:08:59 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:08:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire hat flaps In-Reply-To: <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> Message-ID: No problem to drive Spitfire with a Sherlock hat in Germany. We have Messerschmitt cars to defend against the Spitfires. See how they practice formation flights to prepare for a Spitfire meeting: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/FMR_Tg500_am_1976-0 8-14.jpg/800px-FMR_Tg500_am_1976-08-14.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Macartney Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 09:37 An: RACER BUD; Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nomination I favour a 'modified' deer stalker, like Sherlock Holmes used to wear. Undo the flaps so they're horizontal and then put a forward facing probe on each front edge to imitate the two 20mm cannons! Might not be too well received if you wore it in Germany, though. Jonmac _______________________________________________ From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 04:57:32 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2383D181462C402E847654D735AD7401@Bud> Message-ID: <667367.75257.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know about warm. Unless you mean the people! ----- Original Message ---- From: RACER BUD To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; Jack Brooks ; Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:27:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I've never lived in Wisconsin, but I had a girlfriend from Madison back in the 1970s...there were quite a few Wisconsin transplants in the San Francisco bay area, so I was fortunate to meet lots of Wisconsinites at parties, and in the ski club that i belonged to...Beer and Brauts!.... My youngest daughter is married to a young man from a Wisconsin family..(they met at the Air Force Academy)...At their wedding...it was made very clear to me that i was automatically 'part of the family'...and it's stayed that way... If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH Racer Bud..spitfire #21 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 28 07:33:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:33:08 EST Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would > say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. > to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. Bill (Damdinger) ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 28 07:58:45 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dolly Sprint update Message-ID: I got the head off the Dolly sprint engine and there is no apparent damage to the valves or pistons. I'll look at the bottom end to try to figure out what all the racket was and why I had no compression in number 3. I checked it three times, am I taking crazy pills? ...........................Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 28 08:06:20 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:06:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New TR6.............. Message-ID: Like a dog turning over a trash can, I bought a new TR6. I wasn't going to buy it but when I started waving cash around, the price was too good to pass up. My wife got pretty bent out of shape when she reminded me I now had seven, useless, cars when I really thought I only had six and if you really count everything it's more like nine. Nonetheless, low man on the totem pole must go and it's an absolutely rust free, never been in an accident, stored the last 20 years '78 MGB. Everything works and it's a great car for someone who wants a federalized British car that really can'tr get out of its own way. If I can get rid of the "B" for $2500.00, I can probably keep the TR-6. Any suggestions?.......................Am I taking crazy pills?...................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 08:36:12 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New TR6.............. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780901280736n586e40e1o128ea46a7f7aeb5b@mail.gmail.com> How can you possibly be taking crazy pills when you are talking about dumping a mgb in order to keep a TR6? ;-) Irv On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:06 AM, wrote: > Like a dog turning over a trash can, I bought a new TR6. I wasn't going to > buy it but when I started waving cash around, the price was too good to > pass > up. My wife got pretty bent out of shape when she reminded me I now had > seven, useless, cars when I really thought I only had six and if you really > count everything it's more like nine. Nonetheless, low man on the totem > pole > must go and it's an absolutely rust free, never been in an accident, stored > the last 20 years '78 MGB. Everything works and it's a great car for > someone > who wants a federalized British car that really can'tr get out of its own > way. > If I can get rid of the "B" for $2500.00, I can probably keep the TR-6. > Any > suggestions?.......................Am I taking crazy > pills?...................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jan 28 08:44:49 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:44:49 EST Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2009 11:00:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Randall" > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 > > weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&cati > > d=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't > > work) > > Also please note that the described test was done "long ago", and on an > A-type OD. The J-type is a later design, with quite a few improvements over > the A-type (including apparently a tolerance for various kinds of oil). > > > I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate > > that as a logical choice. > > Funny thing is, lots of folks do use hypoid oil (including the factory !) > and they don't have anywhere near the kind of problems that John reports. I > don't know why there is a discrepancy, but something doesn't make sense. > > Randall > ISTR that Quantum recommends 30wt because Laycock recommends 30wt, whereas Standard-Triumph recommended Hypoid EP90. Whatever, there is obviously a tolerance, and FWIW, I do what the Triumph factory said I should do and it works fine. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 09:14:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:14:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:33 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > > >> If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would >> say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. >> to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH >> > > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** >> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 28 09:17:39 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:17:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 01/28/2009 10:15:22 AM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people here in Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). Bill ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jan 28 09:37:24 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:37:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF91FD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> We call them "tourists". -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:15 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:33 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > > >> If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would >> say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. >> to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH >> > > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** >> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. > (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 09:44:28 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:44:28 EST Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: Bill & Bill, Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of 200lbs but slowly heading north. Joe A. > > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too > much". > > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. > > Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people here in > Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). > > Bill From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 10:32:55 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:32:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I said: "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks stay so healthy." At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely superior name. On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:44 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Bill & Bill, > > Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" > restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you > put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of > 200lbs but slowly heading north. > > Joe A. > > >> > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was >> "too much". >> > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. >> >> Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people >> here in >> Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). >> >> Bill > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 28 11:01:37 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:01:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cc001c98172$778835c0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > because Laycock recommends 30wt, Just curious, Leon, have you ever seen where Laycock recommended only 30 weight for a J-type? Or even for an A-type in the 60s or 70s? The only information I've seen from Laycock was written in the early 50s (so almost 20 years before the J-type was designed); and Standard-Triumph followed their recommendation up until approximately 1960 (except that ST allowed up to 50 weight depending on ambient temperature). I've heard a rumor that there was actually a service bulletin describing the OD changes to accommodate the use of EP gear oil; but have never found a copy of such a bulletin. BTW, the Volvo J-type manual I have handy says that 20W40 is permissible; which is actually thicker than 75W90 @ 40C. Randall From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Jan 28 13:01:35 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? On Jan 28, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and > doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe > shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I > said: > > "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating > healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried > hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just > looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks > stay so healthy." > > At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:44 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Bill & Bill, >> >> Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" >> restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you >> put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of >> 200lbs but slowly heading north. >> >> Joe A. >> >> >>>> I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was >>> "too much". >>>> And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. >>> >>> Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people >>> here in >>> Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). >>> >>> Bill >> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 13:02:37 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its base in Wisconsin to go on tour. John H. From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jan 28 14:01:32 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> References: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> Message-ID: <006901c9818b$99718240$cc5486c0$@com> http://www.b17.org/history/aluminum_overcast.asp Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 16:01:50 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:01:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: <6C7EEE31.3CFEDAC7.00159EE9@cs.com> yes it was....it didnt quite fit, but i used it anyway. >http://www.b17.org/history/aluminum_overcast.asp > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." > >-----Original Message----- >Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 16:14:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. Best Regards, Joe A >For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and >doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe >shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >said: > >"Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >stay so healthy." > >At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > >And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >superior name. From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 17:07:54 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:07:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: Message-ID: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I went up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit nervous and turned a bit green. They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. Sorry I drifted off message a bit. Snow and cold, cold and snow! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "John Herrera" To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its base in > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > John H. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 17:23:44 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Hans Device Message-ID: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? Thanks Dennis From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 17:46:14 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:46:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear end. Message-ID: <358F1B464AAF4B0A9B9127DBE724E964@joepentiumnew> I was recently contacted by the owner of a GT6 who says that his rear end recently went out. Rather than pay the big bucks to have it rebuilt, he is wondering if anyone has a 3.27:1 diff assembly (GT6+) in good condition that they need to part with at a reasonable price. Anyone who has one, please send your contact information to me and I will forward it to the buyer. No financial interest on my part, just trying to help out a Triumph guy! Thanks, Joe From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 18:25:02 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:25:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] spitfire tranny Message-ID: <13216E456080408EA3A3B3B97939E857@Bud> Thanks to those who gave me the info regarding my spitfire tranny...You guys were right on the target...the clip ring in front of 3rd gear had slipped forward..40 cent part...it was worn on one side...then finally came loose when i shifted into 3rd..everything else looks perfect....not a speck of metal filings/grindings, whatever, and the gear teeth look like new....about 120 hours on the tranny....I use VALVOLINE synthetic gear oil..80 wt. Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 18:31:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:31:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS REHEARSAL"... My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I > went > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit > nervous and turned a bit green. > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Herrera" > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > > Aluminum > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its > base in > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > John H. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 18:54:49 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c981b4$921c14a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Dennis, try Saferacer, 866 781-0997, or online. Their catalog shows a retrofit kit for $75; says to fit any HANS ever made. The sliding tethers are nice for side vision. No financial interest. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Hans Device > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? > > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 19:01:24 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> Message-ID: <004a01c981b5$7da1cff0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Bud, go up if you get the chance. You'll love it. The hatch above the radio room was open on my flight and we could stick our heads out and enjoy the 170 mph breeze. It was I that told Andre that it isn't a dress rehersal! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > REHEARSAL"... > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" > ; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I > > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I > > went > > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit > > nervous and turned a bit green. > > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > > Bill----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Herrera" > > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > > > Aluminum > > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its > > base in > > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > > > John H. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 19:03:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:03:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: Plan on lot's of cheese. On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND > for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? > > Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. > > Best Regards, > > Joe A > >> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >> and >> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >> Joe >> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >> said: >> >> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >> stay so healthy." >> >> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >> >> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >> superior name. >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:07:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:07:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> <004a01c981b5$7da1cff0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Thanks for the push Pal...there's a B17 based in the San Fran Bay Area that comes up here about once a year.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "RACER BUD" ; "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > Bud, go up if you get the chance. You'll love it. The hatch above the > radio room was open on my flight and we could stick our heads out and > enjoy > the 170 mph breeze. > It was I that told Andre that it isn't a dress rehersal! > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "John Herrera" > ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's > expensive, > > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > > REHEARSAL"... > > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when > Liz > > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing > around' > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" > > ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, > I > > > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, > I > > > went > > > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a > bit > > > nervous and turned a bit green. > > > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother > took > > > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the > war > and > > > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > > > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > > > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > > > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > > > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > > > Bill----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Herrera" > > > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the > All >> > > > Aluminum > > > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior > name. > > > > > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave > its > > > base in > > > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > > > > > John H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:19:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:19:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <3E02DF93847F49E9B287423E89178088@Bud> How about Cigars? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND >> for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? >> >> Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A >> >>> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >>> and >>> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >>> Joe >>> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >>> said: >>> >>> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >>> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >>> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >>> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >>> stay so healthy." >>> >>> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >>> >>> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >>> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >>> superior name. >>> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:22:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:22:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <54BE4355945A4ECA9009CC11A256A474@Bud> when is the Portland kastner cup race?... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND >> for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? >> >> Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A >> >>> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >>> and >>> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >>> Joe >>> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >>> said: >>> >>> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >>> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >>> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >>> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >>> stay so healthy." >>> >>> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >>> >>> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >>> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >>> superior name. >>> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jan 28 19:22:01 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <498112C9.4050003@dfn.com> WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > The B-24, as I recall, was restored by a guy in Hudson, MA. I recall the photos of it on a flatbed trying to navigate the narrow streets leading to his hangar. When it was flying, the Larz Anderson auto museum auctioned off rides on it to raise funds (the owners didn't make much money on it, since it drank fuel something fierce, and used about thirty gallons of oil an hour). My brother and I were going to bid on a ride for my father, and when he found out, said, "good thing you didn't, because I wouldn't have gone up in it--they were always a POS and since I had to bail out of one already, I'm certainly not going to take a chance on having to again." :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 19:23:54 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:54 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15130107-65DA-4103-A170-3E184F4B9238@bnj.com> Mine has been. On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be > converted to a sliding tether unit? > > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jan 28 20:00:51 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> Message-ID: After some quality time in an F16, I gave up flying. I was never going to get that ride again... I woke up one morning and realized I had four of the most expensive hobbies known to man; racing sailboats, racing cars, flying airplanes, and women. I gave up on boats and planes. It took another 23 years to settle on one woman. :) The triumph collection is still growing though. Unless someone wants a project TR6.... iii On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > REHEARSAL"... > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" < > william.tobin3 at verizon.net> > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" < > billb at bnj.com>; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I >> think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I >> went >> up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit >> nervous and turned a bit green. >> They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took >> their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and >> was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were >> captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. >> The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. >> Sorry I drifted off message a bit. >> Snow and cold, cold and snow! >> Bill----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Herrera" >> To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" >> Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese >> >> >> > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > >> Aluminum >> > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. >> > >> > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its >> base in >> > Wisconsin to go on tour. >> > >> > John H. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 21:21:54 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> That would be Tillamook Cheese of course! On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND > > for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? > > > > Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Joe A > > > >> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, > >> and > >> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned > >> Joe > >> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I > >> said: > >> > >> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating > >> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried > >> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just > >> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks > >> stay so healthy." > >> > >> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > >> > >> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > >> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > >> superior name. > >> > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Jan 28 21:22:23 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:22:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, Yes they can. I did the conversion last year. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:24 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Hans Device Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? Thanks Dennis From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 21:44:58 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10525109DBAC4E3885FF9832446AD254@joepentiumnew> If Tillamook has dried out yet! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:22 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese That would be Tillamook Cheese of course! From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Jan 29 00:32:39 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:32:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 26, Issue 49 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2009 11:20:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:01:37 -0800 > From: "Randall" > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > To: > Message-ID: <0cc001c98172$778835c0$275636cc at jdnet.deere.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > because Laycock recommends 30wt, > > Just curious, Leon, have you ever seen where Laycock recommended only 30 > weight for a J-type? > > Or even for an A-type in the 60s or 70s? > > The only information I've seen from Laycock was written in the early 50s (so > almost 20 years before the J-type was designed); and Standard-Triumph > followed their recommendation up until approximately 1960 (except that ST > allowed up to 50 weight depending on ambient temperature). > > I've heard a rumor that there was actually a service bulletin describing the > OD changes to accommodate the use of EP gear oil; but have never found a > copy of such a bulletin. > > BTW, the Volvo J-type manual I have handy says that 20W40 is permissible; > which is actually thicker than 75W90 @ 40C. > > Randall Sorry Randall, Bit of memory fog, but I will try to recall and if/when I do, I will be sure to let you know! I seem to remember about 20% of all ths stuff I have read these days, but I think it may have been in a Laycock manual somewhere? http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Jan 29 04:49:56 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:49:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02748849757eb57ed8cbe4c00a07af9e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be > converted to a sliding tether unit? Yes, it can. There is an upgrade kit available (about $70, if I recall correctly). It is very easy to install. I did it to mine, and highly recommend doing the conversion. It makes it much easier to turn your head and see the corner workers when you spin off track (not that I'd ever do that, of course). John From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 29 18:35:44 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:35:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Don Carter Message-ID: Sorry to bomb the list but I'm trying to locate Don Carter You out there Don? Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 14:42:57 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:42:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders Message-ID: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jan 30 14:47:14 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:47:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I buy extras from Moss and hammer them in there pretty tight with sealant. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jan 30 14:48:33 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:48:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> I ordered some from Moss about a year ago and they were the right size, rectangular about 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Jan 31 01:42:45 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:42:45 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> Message-ID: You can usually get felt strips from your local bearing supplier as it is used as a seal on some design plumber block bearings Cheers... Peter V TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 8:49 AM To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders I ordered some from Moss about a year ago and they were the right size, rectangular about 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot __________ NOD32 3811 (20090129) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Jan 31 07:09:55 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:09:55 EST Subject: [Fot] Need American Libre wheel Message-ID: Guys, I have the Group 44 GT6+ pretty much done. I found a set of 13x6" American Libre magnesium wheels (as originally run), but after repeated trys, one wheel looks to be too damaged to save. Does anyone have one of these wheels they can spare. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Jan 31 07:21:34 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dolly Sprint update Message-ID: I don't want these reports to become too minute by minute but here goes. I removed the intake tappets this morning and the number five "pallet shim" or litlle hockey puck shaped doohickey has taken a few hits. Looks like Kas' asessment of sticky valve on cylinder three is correct. I will try to take the rest of the head apart today. I must say although I never really wanted a TR7, the chance that I may have one actually sabotaged by a disgruntled Leyland employee, makes so I can't keep my hands off the little bugger..............................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM (still on divorce threat level Orange) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Jan 31 13:02:03 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dolly Sprint Update 2 Message-ID: After trying every valve spring compressor, resorted to wrench and block of wood. About three fingernails full of black gunk, must be age old oil and gas accumulated in the # 5 intake valve port and all over the valve stem making it very sticky. I am very relieved that there was little damage beyond one of the shims. The car should run a lot better once I get everything back together............Henry Morrison From rblake36 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 1 11:29:01 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Message-ID: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 1 11:34:49 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Usually the result of not enough current going through the flasher. Would check 2 things: 1) turn on the turn signal. Unplug the flasher. Does the signal go out (making sure you are working with the correct flasher unit. The TR6 has at least 2 in the circuit iirc) 2) check it with a light bulb at the 'output' of the flasher. If that blinks and the turn signal does not, the signals are not drawing enough current. Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 are particularly bad about getting corroded. Bob 76 TR6 CF57392 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Robert Blake wrote: > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before > I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jan 1 11:37:05 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:37:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure if I remember why, but check your oil pressure switch. I remember something odd about the wiring in this area on 75&76 TR6's. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 12:05:12 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:05:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: check your ground wires... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 1 12:54:07 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: yeah, the 75/75 is a bit of an oddball in some electrical ways. the 4way flasher circuit is just deranged iirc. The switch is a complete nightmare. On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:05 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > check your ground wires... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in >> either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on >> and >> stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it >> functions >> properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before >> I >> trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in >> the >> wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented >> the >> wheel. >> >> Thanks >> >> Bob Blake >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jan 1 13:50:05 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:50:05 EST Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Message-ID: And if you've even LOOKED at the hazard switch recently look at it again very suspiciously. You don't want to ever touch that, Ermmm...device, unless the situation is dire. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 14:37:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:37:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: Message-ID: the HAZARD switch is only installed to remind us of what we are driving!(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: bownes at seiri.com ; budscars at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals And if you've even LOOKED at the hazard switch recently look at it again very suspiciously. You don't want to ever touch that, Ermmm...device, unless the situation is dire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Jan 1 17:14:48 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:14:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874221.12375.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve is correct...on the later models the turn signals go through the hazard switch like on an MGB. If the hazard has bad contacts, either in the external wires or within it's body, the turn signals won't work. The turn signal flashing passes through the hazard. Options are: spray some contact cleaner into the hazard and work the switch some until the contacts clear, or, disconnect the hazard completely and jump the wires. In this option use a schematic to determine what are the left and right primary colors that will go to the green/white and green/red. I do not remember off the top of my head. The hazard switch simply hooks all the lefts and right together so they all flash. I doubt your state requires the hazards to function. Have a great new year! --- On Thu, 1/1/09, Robert Blake wrote: From: Robert Blake Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals To: "FOT" Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:29 PM I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:01:05 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: malaboge at aol.com To: rblake36 at yahoo.com Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 4:59 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals Bob- I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a disaster. New Year...same old Lucas... ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake To: FOT Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29 am Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the wheel. Thanks Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 1 18:08:48 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:08:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> Message-ID: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're done. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jan 1 18:34:25 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:34:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things occurring with 4 way flashers. I had a GM product a few years back that with the right combination of switches on and others just making initial contact and with the brake lights lit would result in the interior and dash lights flashing in harmony with the 4 way flashers. It may have been the 1986 Pontiac Sunbird from hell whose odometer would sometimes roll miles off and another day decide to put them back on. I have no idea how many miles were on that car but I do know that it was the worst car I ever owned. Depreciation on that puppy was exponential becoming worthless very quickly. What a mistake. Happy New Year everyone. JVV > Bob- > > I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... > Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration > only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" > touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, > moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a > corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? > I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in > the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to > rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? > > > Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn > circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San > Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a > disaster. > > New Year...same old Lucas... > ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Jan 1 18:38:15 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:38:15 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Message-ID: Dear Lister's, I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's fitted to TR3/4 engines. Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run excessively RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue will more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it is as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is found with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes that are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle plate moves forward. My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that it/they are positioned directly above the throttle plate? I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and or positions. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 1 19:03:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 16:03:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <205D7929-8E65-466C-A117-6C95720C5C67@bnj.com> Soda works well for fragile stuff, or plastic. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:08 PM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Bob- > > SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their > surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? > If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that > surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back > on the road, go ahead and blast away. > Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little > smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the > factory when you're done. > > Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... > ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: nogera2 at att.net > To: Shop Talk > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > > I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before > rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type > of > metal? > > Thanks > > Bob > You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com > > Shop-talk mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From susank at 141.com Thu Jan 1 19:10:11 2009 From: susank at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:10:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495D7783.3090602@141.com> Hey Nick, et al, We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? Susan :) malaboge at aol.com wrote: Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the car bs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying t o get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and t ime consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're don e. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:4 4 AM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 19:13:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:13:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals. References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that one Jerry!...The Human comedy is terrific!...so..... in that respect .....getting back to the TR6 turn signal situation....When I was commuting 100 miles round trip in Tr6s, I solved that problem easily by replacing the TR6 doors with Tr3 Doors so that I could use Arm Signals...I only had trouble if..When exiting the car...I forgot to unplug the J.C. Whitney 'Towing Light Package' from my left arm...before my foot hit the ground. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Wooohoo.and Happy New Year Gang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals > Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things occurring with 4 > way flashers. I had a GM product a few years back that with the right > combination of switches on and others just making initial contact and with > the brake lights lit would result in the interior and dash lights flashing > in harmony with the 4 way flashers. > It may have been the 1986 Pontiac Sunbird from hell whose odometer would > sometimes roll miles off and another day decide to put them back on. I > have no idea how many miles were on that car but I do know that it was the > worst car I ever owned. Depreciation on that puppy was exponential > becoming worthless very quickly. What a mistake. > > Happy New Year everyone. > > JVV > >> Bob- >> >> I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... >> Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration >> only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" >> touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, >> moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a >> corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? >> I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 >> in the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks >> to rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? >> >> >> Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn >> circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San >> Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a >> disaster. >> >> New Year...same old Lucas... >> ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in >> either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on >> and >> stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it >> functions >> properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. >> Before I >> trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues >> in the >> wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already >> invented the >> wheel. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 1 19:48:25 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com><8CB3A8C8E4F6788-218-B03@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <8CB3A8CB92B7F66-218-B08@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Anyone remember the VTR Nationals at Asheville? I remember some of it. I spent an awful lot of time under and around the dash of my TR6 in the hotel parking lot trying to get mine working. I was able to purchase a good used one there. I installed it and it still works today. I probably shouldn't have said that. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge at aol.com > To: rblake36 at yahoo.com > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 4:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > Bob- > > I concur with the replies regarding the four way flasher... > Never, never, ever attempt to utilise that switch, it is for decoration > only.? Any attempt to even hover over that switch, or "heaven forbid" > touch the plastic wil let out the smoke!??I recall turning, the wheel, > moving my hands and getting the next purchase on the wheel to go around a > corner just so my fingers never even scared that switch into action.?? > I once made the mistake of allowing another?Triumph owner to move a TR6 in > the drive.? You guessed it, threw that switch...took my several weeks to > rewire that incident...what was he thinking?? > > > Seriously, give a thought to bypassing the switch completely as the turn > circuits utilise that switch as a sort of hub...kinda like going from San > Francisco to Miami.? Ya gotta go thru Chicago...and thats usually a > disaster. > > New Year...same old Lucas... > ??????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Blake > To: FOT > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:29 am > Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals > > > > I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on > and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it > functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. > Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in > the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented > the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 1 19:57:45 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:57:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090102025744.GSBK17716.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > Triumphs and Lucas electrics are not alone in odd things > occurring with 4 way flashers. I had a GM product a few years > back that with the right combination of switches on and Before I was old enough to drive, I figured out that the right combination of switches in Dad's Dodge would allow the radio to play without the key. But you had to turn off the heater and wipers, otherwise everything would flash in unison. Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 1 20:16:27 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:16:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090102031627.COGL13015.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> > Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 > are particularly bad about getting corroded. Plus the ground inside the holder may be open, even without being corroded. On mine, there was a gap of perhaps 1/16" between the two conductors inside the holder. Here's a tech article showing the problem and solution. http://tinyurl.com/58el55 Randall From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 1 20:33:05 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <20090102031627.COGL13015.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <0AA0693F22644B04A1533F81D4A09C04@Bud> I agree completely..it's usually the simple stuff Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >> Check for a bad/corroded ground. the bulb holders in the TR6 >> are particularly bad about getting corroded. > > Plus the ground inside the holder may be open, even without being > corroded. > On mine, there was a gap of perhaps 1/16" between the two conductors > inside > the holder. > > Here's a tech article showing the problem and solution. > http://tinyurl.com/58el55 > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 1 22:25:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 06:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The main problem is that you can't set Weber's for a wide range. You can use a small chokes to rise torque and easy overcome the idle stage or you can run large chokes to have max power. For a road engine a 32mm choke I would suggest as max. For racing a 36-40mm choke. The 36 for rally and the 40 for ovals. I have a type 9 Weber and it does stumble at progression. I run a 55F8 idle jet. Use small injectors....like a 35 or 40 with a discharge jet of 50-70. Hope this helps. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Vucinic Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Januar 2009 02:38 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Dear Lister's, I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's fitted to TR3/4 engines. Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run excessively RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue will more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it is as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is found with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes that are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle plate moves forward. My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that it/they are positioned directly above the throttle plate? I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and or positions. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Jan 2 05:42:31 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:42:31 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 References: Message-ID: Peter I have had and dealt with this issue on BST82B, which has 1990's vintage Spanish origin Weber DCOE 45 152's with the three progression holes. Exactly this 'pickup' problem, which is a big issue on a rally car with lots of short, sharp moves where the full rev range is used, much more so than a race car (except from initial launch!). WEBCON in the UK can set each carb in a jig and drill the missing 2 holes accurately for about #50 a carb (phew!) but it does the job nicely. I dare say you can do this at home with a decent pillar drill and a plate mounted jig. The DCOE 45 152G carbs now sold have 5 progression holes (WEBCON tell me that these were developed for the Zetec engine), so if anyone is buying carbs those are the ones to look for if its a TR application. the plain old 152's only have 3 holes. The DCOE 45 09's on 3VC (Ex Works TR4) dont seem to have this problem but I havent checked yet to see how many progression holes. The other ex works carbs I have show 4 holes, the 3rd past the critcal point you note, but the car these came from was rallied hard in the USA so maybe they were added after manufacture. There are a couple of people here in the UK that I can point you at for some serious technical advice if that will help. Happy new year. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue > will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it > is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is > found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes > that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle > plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and > or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jan 2 05:48:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:48:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, I'm not sure but I think my Webers have only 2 progression holes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von TR4Tony Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Januar 2009 13:43 An: Peter Vucinic Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 Peter I have had and dealt with this issue on BST82B, which has 1990's vintage Spanish origin Weber DCOE 45 152's with the three progression holes. Exactly this 'pickup' problem, which is a big issue on a rally car with lots of short, sharp moves where the full rev range is used, much more so than a race car (except from initial launch!). WEBCON in the UK can set each carb in a jig and drill the missing 2 holes accurately for about #50 a carb (phew!) but it does the job nicely. I dare say you can do this at home with a decent pillar drill and a plate mounted jig. The DCOE 45 152G carbs now sold have 5 progression holes (WEBCON tell me that these were developed for the Zetec engine), so if anyone is buying carbs those are the ones to look for if its a TR application. the plain old 152's only have 3 holes. The DCOE 45 09's on 3VC (Ex Works TR4) dont seem to have this problem but I havent checked yet to see how many progression holes. The other ex works carbs I have show 4 holes, the 3rd past the critcal point you note, but the car these came from was rallied hard in the USA so maybe they were added after manufacture. There are a couple of people here in the UK that I can point you at for some serious technical advice if that will help. Happy new year. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Vucinic" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this issue > will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. But it > is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem is > found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression holes > that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the throttle > plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes and > or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Jan 2 07:47:20 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:47:20 -0000 Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals References: <371505.5173.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A68104B259C4118A0ED309253C9B2AD@Bevan> Bob, I've had this problem with many Triumphs down the years. In my experience, its nothing more than a defective flasher unit. Throw a new one at the car. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: [Fot] 75 TR6 turn signals >I have issues with my turn signal (Shocking)! When indicating a turn in > either direction with the turn signal, both front and rear lights turn on and > stay on; they do not flash. I have checked the flasher unit and it functions > properly when tested with two bulbs in parallel across the battery. Before I > trouble shoot the turn signal in the column or start looking for issues in the > wiring I thought there might be someone out there who has already invented the > wheel. > > Thanks > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 2 11:27:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 08:27:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Weber DCOE 45's on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the additional holes can probably be drilled and will likely solve the stumbling problem. I haven't done anything like that yet, my weber- equipped TR experience consists mostly of "will it run at some kind of idle" and "does it pull cleanly with full throttle", but the modifications you're considering were done commonly with the over- large carbs fitted on motorcycles. You can probably reduce the problem across the range by fitting a substantially smaller choke. The big benefit of drilling progression holes is that once the butterfly or slide is open they don't do anything, so they don't screw up the rest of the range. If I were going to do such a thing I'd go about it the same way we did on motorcycles--make a drilling jig. This is simply a piece of steel with a properly sized hole in it, a stop on the other end to locate the drill hole, and a jobber length drill of the appropriate size. Long skinny drills require a very light pressure and a steady hand. Don't make the jig thick expecting that it will help guide the drill-- thick walls will make it very hard to keep from binding the drill. As I dimly recall, the semi-official jig for adding another progression hole to the carbs on the Yamaha 500 twins (I think they were called XS500) was a piece of cad-plated sheet metal--probably 16 gauge. You can also make the existing holes larger or make them more trench- like. For that we used a foredom flex shaft tool with a dental handpiece. You might be able to fake it with a dremel and flex shaft. All these kinds of mods are cut and try. You can screw up some expensive carbs and render them unusable for street use, but then they are race car parts where progression isn't anything to worry about. Really, the problem is best solved with injector bodies and a laptop with fuel mapping software. There used to be lots of guys who could make carbs do everything but speak, I suspect there are a lot fewer now. On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Peter Vucinic wrote: > Dear Lister's, > > > > I am seeking those people who have had experience with 45mm WEBER > DCOE's > fitted to TR3/4 engines. > > > > Specifically those that have modified the progression circuit holes to > remove problems such as 'stumbling/hesitation' and having to run > excessively > RICH idle jets to overcome 'stumbling/hesitation'. I suspect this > issue will > more relevant to those of us who run road cars, rather than race. > But it is > as equally relevant to those who race. It appears that the problem > is found > with those of us running modern DCOE 152's with 78 Degree throttle > plates. > But not limited to this model. DCOE 152's have three progression > holes that > are all position FORWARD of the throttle plate. > > > > When you look at the throttle plate position (remove progression > hole plug > in top of carb), it is behind the first progression hole and NOT > directly > over the plate. This means that when acceleration begins, the top of > the > throttle plate, moves forward towards the ram tube/air cleaner side. > The > throttle plate then covers the first progression hole as the > throttle plate > moves forward. > > > > My question is, has anyone drilled other progression hole(s) so that > it/they > are positioned directly above the throttle plate? > > I suspect the 'period' DCOE9's will have different progression holes > and or > positions. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > Peter Vucinic > > TR-4 > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Group44TR7 at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:06:19 2009 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:06:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Shocks Message-ID: Amici I purchased new replacement shocks for our explorer and suburban about three years ago, after routine passenger use and unfortunately little towing, they need replacement. Considering the previous ones lasted much longer, I am thinking that I probably did not buy the right ones. Interested in recommendations. Thank you in advance. Cary **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000024) From malaboge at aol.com Fri Jan 2 12:22:29 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:22:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <495D7783.3090602@141.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM> <8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> <495D7783.3090602@141.com> Message-ID: <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> Susan- I have used a tumbler on carb parts.? The medium in my tumbler is left over from competitive shooting days and was meant to polish brass, which it did to a fine degree.? The stuff in my tumbler ( I have forgotten the name of it) is green and organic of some sort (also used?a sandy dirty red compound previuosly) and I added a dollop of Mothers Polish to the media.? This combo made the brass look like new.? However, it will only "somewhat" clean aluminum, but not well.? It also leaves it a bit darker in hue after tumbling. I have never tried the walnut shells so have no direct results to share.? If you decide to use the walnut shells, please let us all know as my tumbler sits here unused. If you are going to tumble the SU pistons or domes, I would tape the inside of the domes and the grooved area of the pistons, just to be safe. Always ready for a tumble...... ???????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Susan Kahler To: malaboge at aol.com Cc: nogera2 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media Hey Nick, et al, We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? Susan????? :) malaboge at aol.com wrote: Bob- SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and blast away. Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when you're done. Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: nogera2 at att.net To: Shop Talk Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of metal? Thanks Bob You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com Shop-talk mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk http://www.team.net/archive Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: 12/31/2008 8:44 AM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 2 13:13:26 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> References: <6EA12F9E3B7F4C48AA3E0EA12CD8F76F@CARROOM><8CB3A8DCD8D0C4A-218-B39@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com><495D7783.3090602@141.com> <8CB3B26968C4655-15CC-4B1@WEBMAIL-DY20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43A41A6F9AF04D64803512BA6CF6DB0B@KasPC> The bells and float bowls will shine up like chrome with just a simple unstitched buffing wheel and some red rouge compound. All to had from Sear's. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media > Susan- > > I have used a tumbler on carb parts.? The medium in my tumbler is left > over from competitive shooting days and was meant to polish brass, which > it did to a fine degree.? The stuff in my tumbler ( I have forgotten the > name of it) is green and organic of some sort (also used?a sandy dirty red > compound previuosly) and I added a dollop of Mothers Polish to the media.? > This combo made the brass look like new.? However, it will only "somewhat" > clean aluminum, but not well.? It also leaves it a bit darker in hue after > tumbling. I have never tried the walnut shells so have no direct results > to share.? If you decide to use the walnut shells, please let us all know > as my tumbler sits here unused. > > If you are going to tumble the SU pistons or domes, I would tape the > inside of the domes and the grooved area of the pistons, just to be safe. > > Always ready for a tumble...... > ???????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Kahler > To: malaboge at aol.com > Cc: nogera2 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > Hey Nick, et al, > > We have been wondering about tumbling our dashpots and other carb parts in > our tumbler with walnut-shell media. I have seen some carbs that have been > similarly done and they seem to become nice and clean but retain the > original surface. Do you have any experience with this media? > > Susan????? :) > > > malaboge at aol.com wrote: > > Bob- > > SU's have a sort of "sealed" or "finished" quality to their surface.? Any > type of blasting will destroy that original "patina".? If you are > rebuilding the carbs for show or originality, that surface will be lost.? > If you're just trying to get some ol LBC back on the road, go ahead and > blast away. > Laquer thinner and brushes have always been useful here...a little smelly > and time consuming, but the look they way they came from the factory when > you're done. > > Even tho I've been blasted a time or two...still original... > ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: nogera2 at att.net > To: Shop Talk > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 8:27 am > Subject: [Shop-talk] Blast Media > > > > I need to clean up a fuel pump housing and a couple of SU carbs before > rebuilding them. What would be the best blasting media for this type of > metal? > > Thanks > > Bob > You are subscribed as malaboge at aol.com > > Shop-talk mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk > > http://www.team.net/archive > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1870 - Release Date: > 12/31/2008 8:44 AM > > > > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat Jan 3 08:57:05 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Free stuff Message-ID: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find new homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a Spitfire 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing the main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The pinion bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This is an 83mm, without cam bearings. If anyone wants any of these items please contact me off list. If not, in a couple of weeks they will be swimming with the fishes. Thanks - Ed - From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 10:06:21 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:06:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff In-Reply-To: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find new> homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a Spitfire> 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing the> main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The pinion> bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This is> an 83mm, without cam bearings.> If anyone wants any of these items please contact me off list. If not, in a> couple of weeks they will be swimming with the fishes. > Thanks - Ed - Wher do you live? John From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 3 13:44:01 2009 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (Bill Collins) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:44:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> Ed's shop is officially in Haltom City, TX. Just west of DFW airport on Hwy #121 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Herrera" To: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:06 Subject: Re: [Fot] Free stuff >> Lister's: I have some things sitting around the shop that need to find >> new> > homes. If not with members, then at the scrap yard. First; I have a > Spitfire> > 1500 block with cam, rods and pistons sitting on the shop floor. Missing > the> > main and rod caps. Second; I have a complete late TR3 rear axle. The > pinion> > bearing is froze up. Third; I have a complete TR2 motor, comm # 7500. This > is> > an 83mm, without cam bearings.> If anyone wants any of these items please > contact me off list. If not, in a> couple of weeks they will be swimming > with > the fishes. > Thanks - Ed - > > > Wher do you live? > > John From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 3 13:59:14 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free stuff In-Reply-To: <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> References: <367495.30527.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6EC2E702BA5845A094E350D1C54D54FA@CPQ56574797792> Message-ID: > Ed's shop is officially in Haltom City, TX. Just west of DFW airport on Hwy > #121 Well then... Sorry, I'm not interested. John H. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Jan 4 16:48:22 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question Message-ID: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I stripped the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around the wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I heat them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to me... Mark From Billb at bnj.com Sun Jan 4 17:12:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:12:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: It will anneal them, which is not exactly the reknitting process you hope for, but it might relieve enough of the work hardening to keep them from breaking right away. You need to make sure to let the metal cool very slowly. On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend > around the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If > I heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit > eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry > good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 17:18:50 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:18:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals Message-ID: <406003.25909.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> To all those who responded to my plea for assistance, many thanks for the suggestions (and the comic relief); it turned out to be bad grounds. Bob Blake From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 4 17:35:01 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:35:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 aluminum Interior panels Message-ID: <98E28EE3-710D-4917-8C74-88ECACE937A9@earthlink.net> There's a guy with an auto interior shop in OH, found him on Ebay who's made me an aluminum rear seat "Back" for my TR3. He went ahead and made door panels and other pieces too to try and sell. I'll post the link when it goes live in case anyone out there wants to take a look. ~Steve From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:45:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals References: <406003.25909.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Glad to hear you've got it licked..... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blake" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Turn signals > To all those who responded to my plea for assistance, many thanks for the > suggestions (and the comic relief); it turned out to be bad grounds. > > Bob Blake > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Jan 4 17:59:37 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:59:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Air Cleaner - TR6 Message-ID: <000001c96ed0$e23ad850$a6b088f0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have a stock air cleaner with filter from my formerly, dual Stromberg carb 1969 TR6 if anyone is interested. It is in excellent condition. Item is free, just reimburse for shipping from N.CA. Gary 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 From chasgee at aol.com Sun Jan 4 18:59:20 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:59:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <8CB3CF05C043A80-182C-1690@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Actually, the cooling rate is not that important because the tabs are made from very mild (low carbon) steel.? Heat them up until they glow orange a little and just let them air cool.? Should be OK if they aren't already cracked. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Mark Eginton Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question It will anneal them, which is not exactly the reknitting process you hope for, but it might relieve enough of the work hardening to keep them from breaking right away. You need to make sure to let the metal cool very slowly. On Jan 4, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend > around the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If > I heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit > eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry > good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Sun Jan 4 19:03:04 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:03:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zenith Stomberg 175CDs for the TR4A Message-ID: <8CB3CF0E1281CC0-182C-16BE@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Hello all, Does anyone have a set of strombergs off of a TR4/4A that they don't want anymore?? I would like the ones without the smog stuff on them, i.e., not the ones used for the TR250 or TR6. Let me know how much you want for them. Thanks, Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer Soon to be GT6 Racer From rocky at spitfire4.com Sun Jan 4 22:49:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Metal Question > As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I > stripped > the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around > the > wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I > heat > them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating > stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? > > Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to > me... > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Jan 4 23:38:55 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:38:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> Message-ID: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Sacrilege!!! Rocky Entriken wrote: > Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. > > --Rocky From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 00:42:47 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 01:42:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <49366D2AC9CB47AF93234CE35ED253FC@rocky> Yep! :-) My Spitfire (race-prepped) is 45 years old now. I'm mindful there are things on it never intended to survive a half-century. Whatever's on it that could be age-stressed by now has been. Best example, the loops at the front and rear of the frame that originally were basically meant to be used ONCE to tie the car down to a ship's deck for transport to the colonies (I wonder if Spits in the motherland had them?). I've used them over and over again to tie mine to the trailer, and I've broken them too and had them all seam-welded for added strength. Almost none of my wiring uses those original clips. As often as not because I found a better way. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Mark Eginton" ; Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Sacrilege!!! > > > > Rocky Entriken wrote: > >> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >> >> --Rocky From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 01:03:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:03:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <49366D2AC9CB47AF93234CE35ED253FC@rocky> Message-ID: <9FFB1DEE12CE480C8581E75AEBFC2BF5@Bud> Wow..thanks Rocky......I don't often think about the fact that my Spitfire race car is about 42 now...this is really terrific stuff..About the passion we have for our cars..It's really much more than just racing... Good Night Gang Racer Bud..Spitfire #21...CSRG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Justin Wagner" Cc: ; "Mark Eginton" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Yep! :-) > > My Spitfire (race-prepped) is 45 years old now. I'm mindful there are > things on it never intended to survive a half-century. Whatever's on it > that could be age-stressed by now has been. Best example, the loops at the > front and rear of the frame that originally were basically meant to be > used ONCE to tie the car down to a ship's deck for transport to the > colonies (I wonder if Spits in the motherland had them?). I've used them > over and over again to tie mine to the trailer, and I've broken them too > and had them all seam-welded for added strength. > > Almost none of my wiring uses those original clips. As often as not > because I found a better way. > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Wagner" > To: "Rocky Entriken" > Cc: "Mark Eginton" ; > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> Sacrilege!!! >> >> >> >> Rocky Entriken wrote: >> >>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>> >>> --Rocky > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 07:13:37 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: Maybe this might be offtopic though I want to tell about yield strength of steel. When parts are bended several times back and forth more and more of the steel has plasticized and starts to crack. >From this point on the next step is cracking caused by shearing of the steel grains. Annealing don't help if the steel shows cracking's. Annealing does help to relive the imprinted tension of a bending but this bending might be once or maximum twice over the plasticize border. You have to bring the temperature beyond 4300C for a certain while and cool it not too fast. I hope you did understand this because my English is very limited offside from car themes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark Eginton Gesendet: Montag, 5. Januar 2009 00:48 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Metal Question As one of those classic projects that just keeps getting deeper, I stripped the engine compartment of my TR 3. Picture the tabs used to bend around the wiring harnesses that have been bent back and forth for 50 years. If I heat them till red and let them cool slowly, will the atoms reknit eliminating stresses from all the bending or will I end up with burnt toast? Happy New Years - got pistons etc for Christmas - Santa been berry good to me... Mark Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jan 5 08:02:45 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:02:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > Sacrilege!!! I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies made so you could weld in new... But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above original. And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. rml p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some of the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 5 08:37:57 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:37:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> For areas where the wires / tubes / whatever go in and out frequently, Velcro can be handy. I still largely have the original metal thingies though. - Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 1/5/2009, Robert Lang wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > >>Sacrilege!!! > >I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies >made so you could weld in new... > >But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above >original. And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. > >rml > >p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some >of the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 5 11:04:35 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:04:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <20090105153816.A1AC7187672@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FA53E0@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I still largely have the original metal thingies though.>> As do I. I just try to bend mine in a different part of the strap-thingie whenever I use them. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question For areas where the wires / tubes / whatever go in and out frequently, Velcro can be handy. I still largely have the original metal thingies though. - Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 1/5/2009, Robert Lang wrote: >On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Justin Wagner wrote: > >>Sacrilege!!! > >I'm not 100% sure, but I recall that TRF had new cable tie thingies >made so you could weld in new... > >But if it's a race car, you want to make it serviceable above original. >And if you can make it easier to work on, so much the better. > >rml > >p.s. I'm with Rocky on this one, although I do admit that I use some of >the wire ties that Triumph provided in my race car. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent >Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! >Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- _______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jan 5 12:50:40 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:50:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to support the wires. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Justin Wagner Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM To: Rocky Entriken Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Sacrilege!!! Rocky Entriken wrote: > Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. > > --Rocky Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Jan 5 13:29:53 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:29:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> Message-ID: <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech modern solutions! Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! --Justin From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 16:08:38 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:08:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing >cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? > > On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't > want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a > Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half > a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. > Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? > > It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this > one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech > modern solutions! > > Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By > all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think > that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly > tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! > > --Justin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 5 16:47:27 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:47:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: I use the standard filler cap from Triumph. Never complaint about that at scrutineering I just have to use a tape strap to safety the cap. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Rocky Entriken Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 00:09 An: Justin Wagner; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing >cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? > > On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't > want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a > Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half > a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. > Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? > > It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this > one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech > modern solutions! > > Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By > all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think > that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly > tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! > > --Justin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Jan 5 17:09:20 2009 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on experiences. Thanks Terry O'Beirne From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Mon Jan 5 17:11:38 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:11:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP> <16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky> <4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com> <000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> Message-ID: <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely at Riverside). This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time capsule. Happy new year to all and thanks again... M Tim Murphy wrote: > Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good > also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to > support the wires. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Justin Wagner > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM > To: Rocky Entriken > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > Sacrilege!!! > > > > Rocky Entriken wrote: > > >> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >> >> --Rocky >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jan 5 17:28:09 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stomberg carbs Message-ID: <8CB3DACC921C4CA-11B4-1703@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com> Thanks to all who responded, but I now have what I need. By the way, if anyone needs GT6 parts let me know.? I have a couple of cars with lots of good stuff that I won't likely use. Chuck From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 19:05:14 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:05:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com><49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark...If by tape you mean regular tape such as Racers Tape...I strongly suggest you use something more solid, like a metal strap..Also.. even with a metal strap, the stock Triumph filler will not be sealed tightly in a rollover...and will leak heavily...I have my original cap in place for cosmetics, ..my fuel cell is in the trunk.. Racer bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >I use the standard filler cap from Triumph. Never complaint about that at > scrutineering I just have to use a tape strap to safety the cap. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Rocky Entriken > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 00:09 > An: Justin Wagner; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. > > Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our > LBCs > > to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them > distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my > car > for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just > there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. > (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) > > A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class > car. > > A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My > favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Wagner" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >>I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. >>Racing > >>cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more >>serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? >> >> On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't >> want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a >> Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half >> a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. >> Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? >> >> It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this >> one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech >> modern solutions! >> >> Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By >> all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think >> that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly >> tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! >> >> --Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 5 19:23:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:23:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the way your dad had it... you're doing wonderful stuff! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: "Tim Murphy" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. > > My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this > holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my dad > welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and sending a > tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending in a > permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely at > Riverside). > > This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding > stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time > capsule. > > Happy new year to all and thanks again... > > M > > Tim Murphy wrote: >> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have to >> support the wires. >> >> Tim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >> To: Rocky Entriken >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >> >> Sacrilege!!! >> >> >> >> Rocky Entriken wrote: >> >> >>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>> >>> --Rocky >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 5 19:57:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:57:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <86782566-B04B-4654-821D-69E4134B8508@bnj.com> Flip caps are not illegal, they just need to be secured with a safety device. On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. > > Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with > our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make > them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas > filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected > to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk > lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race > cars.) > > A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified > class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still > Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" > > To: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" >> reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment >> to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs >> be any different? >> >> On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we >> don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't >> really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails >> after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just >> struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal >> tabs 20 or 30 years from now? >> >> It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save >> this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with >> low tech modern solutions! >> >> Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of >> racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's >> just nice to think that because of such discussions there may >> still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for >> future generations to ponder! >> >> --Justin >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 5 19:58:21 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:58:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity and mount a regulator close to your carbs. On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > pump. It > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > delivery > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > experiences. > Thanks > Terry O'Beirne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jan 5 20:49:14 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><861A5977-FFA2-40C1-86EF-16A54E87D6A1@tstonramp.com> <49626DC1.1080301@greenheart.com> <86782566-B04B-4654-821D-69E4134B8508@bnj.com> Message-ID: <5C0A641E58F54FA0897B2DE1D3D6EAB2@rocky> 2009 GCR 9.3.26.3 [Pg. 80 --very first sentence]: "A positive locking fuel filler cap (no Monza/flip type) shall be used." I see no ambiguity there -- the portion in parentheses IS in the rule -- NO flip-type caps. Not, at least, in SCCA racing. I even got called on mine once, until (in full evil grin mode) I opened the trunk to show the fuel cell. My flip cap is perfectly legal as long as no actual fuel passes through it! ;-) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Rocky Entriken Cc: Justin Wagner ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question Flip caps are not illegal, they just need to be secured with a safety device. On Jan 5, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: Oh, I knew you were just having fun with it, and to a point me too. Actually, everything you write below I agree with. It *is* fun with our LBCs to try to save a few of those silly little things that make them distinctively Triumph. I still have the Monza flip-cap gas filler on my car for just that reason. Of course, it isn't connected to anything now, just there for looks. You have to open the trunk lid to fill the fuel cell. (Besides, flip caps are illegal on race cars.) A guy I knew made his Spitfire into a screamer autocross Modified class car. A fun thing was to find stuff on his car that was still Spitfire. My favorite -- he still had the cowl-mounted ashtray. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question I was just having fun with this thread with my "sacrilege" reply. Racing cars has always been about modifying OEM equipment to make it more serviceable, faster, etc... Why should these tabs be any different? On the other hand.. At some point, in the backs of our minds, we don't want our cars, over time, to morph into something that isn't really a Triumph. That we replace something that finally fails after nearly half a century with plastic ties and/or Velcro just struck a nerve with me. Will there be any sign of those old metal tabs 20 or 30 years from now? It seemed to me to be a great thread... Talking about how to save this one little silly detail that could be so easily replaced with low tech modern solutions! Of course, it's not an issue for all cars in all classes of racing. By all means, do what is appropriate for your car. It's just nice to think that because of such discussions there may still be some of those silly tabs to be seen in the pits, for future generations to ponder! --Justin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 01:32:58 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:32:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto Message-ID: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Greetings from Finland! I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event last summer. Please have a look at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens that quite a lot). Regards Jari From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 01:43:41 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:43:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, whre you can se some older shootage as well: http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ Regards Jari Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > Greetings from Finland! > > I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event > last summer. Please have a look at: > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 > > The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely > the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the > route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires > some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers > instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving > there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens > that quite a lot). > > Regards > Jari > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 6 04:08:50 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. Jari Tabell wrote: > Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, > whre you can se some older shootage as well: > http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ > > Regards > Jari > > > Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >> Greetings from Finland! >> >> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >> last summer. Please have a look at: >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >> >> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires >> some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers >> instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving >> there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens >> that quite a lot). >> >> Regards >> Jari >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 05:08:17 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:08:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... Bob kirjoitti: > I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't > come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. > > Jari Tabell wrote: >> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >> >> Regards >> Jari >> >> >> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>> Greetings from Finland! >>> >>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>> >>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires >>> some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre >>> barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes >>> make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera >>> view flattens that quite a lot). >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jan 6 07:28:41 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:28:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> I recommend the tried and true uncle jack pump and regulator - the holley blue pump with regulator - there are two models of regulator you can request, the lower pressure one is good for one to four psi. We went through many combinations before arriving at this. My experience with the Webers says that they don't like much more than 2 to 2.5 PSI or you overcome the "needle valve" (really more like a grose jet). So you end up with a regulator. If you have a regulator that tries to drop the pressure by only a couple of PSI, you end up with really hard to diagnose intermittent fuel delivery problems. If you give the regulator enough pressure to work with, then it's reliable. That's what the Holley Blue setup does. This has worked on a number of cars. It's certainly not the ONLY way to go, though. As Bill mentions, put the pump next to the fuel cell and the regulator next to the carbs. Use large fuel line, like -6 (or 3/8"). Here's a link to this setup on the Pegasus website: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 - Tony Drews At 08:58 PM 1/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity >and mount a regulator close to your carbs. >On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > > pump. It > > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > > delivery > > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > > experiences. > > Thanks > > Terry O'Beirne > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 07:35:50 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:35:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> References: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <9088E973-8F6D-4481-B834-905FC5085794@bnj.com> <20090106142906.DA742187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I use a Mitsuba fuel pump. Works fine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Drews Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 15:29 An: Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query I recommend the tried and true uncle jack pump and regulator - the holley blue pump with regulator - there are two models of regulator you can request, the lower pressure one is good for one to four psi. We went through many combinations before arriving at this. My experience with the Webers says that they don't like much more than 2 to 2.5 PSI or you overcome the "needle valve" (really more like a grose jet). So you end up with a regulator. If you have a regulator that tries to drop the pressure by only a couple of PSI, you end up with really hard to diagnose intermittent fuel delivery problems. If you give the regulator enough pressure to work with, then it's reliable. That's what the Holley Blue setup does. This has worked on a number of cars. It's certainly not the ONLY way to go, though. As Bill mentions, put the pump next to the fuel cell and the regulator next to the carbs. Use large fuel line, like -6 (or 3/8"). Here's a link to this setup on the Pegasus website: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 - Tony Drews At 08:58 PM 1/5/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Yup, I think you should always use a pump that has surplus capacity >and mount a regulator close to your carbs. >On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Terry and Cindy wrote: > > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter > > pump. It > > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI > > delivery > > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > > experiences. > > Thanks > > Terry O'Beirne > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 08:09:53 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:09:53 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you think when watching those photos... Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... > > Bob kirjoitti: >> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >> >> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>> >>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>> >>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 6 08:32:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:32:32 EST Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto Message-ID: In a message dated 01/06/2009 5:09:17 AM Central Standard Time, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com writes: > I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I don't > come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. > You can put my early TR3 race car down as having one. Original ignition key and the key fob is an SU wrench. Now that's VINTAGE. Bill Dentinger ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 08:42:59 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:42:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: It makes me thinking why the following cars don't slow down? Some of them are heading with smoking wheels into the accident. If I see parts flying around in front of me I slow down a lot and have a look first before go there with speed. Should have been yellow flagged? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jari Tabell Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 16:10 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ahvenisto Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you think when watching those photos... Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... > > Bob kirjoitti: >> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >> >> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>> >>> Regards >>> Jari >>> >>> >>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>> >>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>> >>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi Tue Jan 6 09:32:41 2009 From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:32:41 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> Yes, there has been a lot of discussion about this incident here, and these photos have been a very good evidence of what really happened. Actually, the Opel #68 was sideways already before the black BMW hit it. So the driver of the BMW couldn't do anything but braking as hard as possible. When the orange BMW arrived, there were yellow flags waving and the air full of smoke and car parts already. It's difficult to say why he didn't realize what was happening. Anyway, I think that this a very good reminder that it's good to lift off whenever you see something strange happening. Jari MadMarx kirjoitti: > It makes me thinking why the following cars don't slow down? > Some of them are heading with smoking wheels into the accident. > If I see parts flying around in front of me I slow down a lot and have a > look first before go there with speed. > Should have been yellow flagged? > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jari Tabell > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 16:10 > An: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Ahvenisto > > Still regarding the safety features at that circuit. After couple years > we had again a pretty nasty 3 car shunt. see photos at: > http://kuvia.1g.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat%202008/HistoricGrandRace.2008/?n=550 > > Luckily no people (or Triumph cars ... :*) were injured. Even the driver > of the car #68 raced a Formula Vee later same day. Anyway, it makes you > think when watching those photos... > > Jari Tabell kirjoitti: > >> That's the G-force meter of my data logging system... >> >> Bob kirjoitti: >> >>> I really like the set of ignition keys rocking back and forth. I >>> don't come across many race cars in the states with ignition keys. >>> >>> Jari Tabell wrote: >>> >>>> Forgot to mention, that I added also a Video Gallery to my website, >>>> whre you can se some older shootage as well: >>>> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/ >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jari >>>> >>>> >>>> Jari Tabell kirjoitti: >>>> >>>>> Greetings from Finland! >>>>> >>>>> I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event >>>>> last summer. Please have a look at: >>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 >>>>> >>>>> The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely >>>>> the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the >>>>> route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also >>>>> requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or >>>>> tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation >>>>> changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the >>>>> camera view flattens that quite a lot). >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Jari >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Fot mailing list >>>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jan 6 09:38:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> <496319BD.7010606@pp.inet.fi> <49633BC2.9050308@cfl.rr.com> <496349B1.8060602@pp.inet.fi> <49637441.5050500@pp.inet.fi> <496387A9.1030401@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Jari Tabell wrote: > Yes, there has been a lot of discussion about this incident here, and > these photos have been a very good evidence of what really happened. > Actually, the Opel #68 was sideways already before the black BMW hit it. > So the driver of the BMW couldn't do anything but braking as hard as > possible. When the orange BMW arrived, there were yellow flags waving > and the air full of smoke and car parts already. It's difficult to say > why he didn't realize what was happening. It looked to me like the BMWs were ganging up on the Opel! Yikes. Hopefully, the Open driver wasn't hurt too bad. It looks like he took a pretty good shot the second time he was hit. > Anyway, I think that this a very good reminder that it's good to lift > off whenever you see something strange happening. ... and you're not balls deep in the corner. Otherwise, it's spin city! > Jari rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jan 6 16:00:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:00:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Ahvenisto In-Reply-To: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> References: <4963173A.4060502@pp.inet.fi> Message-ID: What a lovely track layout. That must be fun. Very hard to overtake there it seems. Your outside attack must have confused the Mini driver. How does the video ends? Did you stay in front of the Mini? Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jari Tabell Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 09:33 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Ahvenisto Greetings from Finland! I uploaded some on-board video from our main Historic Racing event last summer. Please have a look at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1083675916511273547 The event takes place at the Ahvenisto circuit, which is definitely the most ecxiting one in Scandinavia. It was opened in 1967 and the route is still the same. Unlike most modern tracks, it also requires some balls to be fast there. There are mostly armcos or tyre barriers instead of gravel traps... Also, high elevation changes make driving there a real 3D -experience (unfortunately the camera view flattens that quite a lot). Regards Jari Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:48:49 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:48:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question In-Reply-To: <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> Message-ID: <49642621.70103@twcny.rr.com> Yea, I get sentimental around this one, its been around my whole life. I remember it at Justice Buick in New Jersey in 1959 when my parents bought it. I was only 4 then but I knew it was a big deal that we were getting a shiny New Red Triumph (2 yrs old), my dad had an old fade-2-pink TR 2 at the time. My brother and I were ecstatic that there was carpet behind the seats where we always rode, carseats - not-so-much, heck - this one didn't even have a jumpseat, but we were styling. In 1961 we moved to Southern California crossing the US in the 2 TRs. Mom raced it also; "Powderpuff" I think they called it. Actually she has more 1st place trophies than dad which always tweaked him. They have great stories and I have a few memories of literally racing for 3000 miles... Its been mine since I was 11, took my first date out in it (talk about a beater - the car I mean). It was the first car I ever got airborne... nuf said M RACER BUD wrote: > hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the > way your dad had it... > you're doing wonderful stuff! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: "Tim Murphy" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > > >> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. >> >> My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car >> this holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell >> that my dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front >> axels and sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it >> skyward ending in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the >> early 60s (likely at Riverside). >> >> This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding >> stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time >> capsule. >> >> Happy new year to all and thanks again... >> >> M >> >> Tim Murphy wrote: >>> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >>> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only >>> have to >>> support the wires. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >>> To: Rocky Entriken >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >>> >>> Sacrilege!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Rocky Entriken wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>>> >>>> --Rocky >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 6 20:53:21 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question Message-ID: <000901c9707b$7bfe1ff0$6501a8c0@HP> Makes a lot of sense Thanks M From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jan 6 21:17:01 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:17:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: Terry, I agree with you on the Carter pump but I still use a Holley regulator to drop the pressure. I also found that it helps to have two feeds between the three carbs on a common line to give each carb equal pressure. Mike Munson http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on experiences. Thanks Terry O'Beirne From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 6 21:37:04 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:37:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Metal Question References: <000d01c96ec6$ede86460$6401a8c0@HP><16F9732FC9AB45F4AC5EC6F52B9C9732@rocky><4961AAFF.8070900@greenheart.com><000801c96f6e$e411d770$ac358650$@com> <4962A1BA.6010708@twcny.rr.com> <76DD633B8D784F548695CF13D66BAC0C@Bud> <49642621.70103@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: That is a WONDERFUL story.. thanks for sharing it Friend.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Tim Murphy" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question > Yea, I get sentimental around this one, its been around my whole life. I > remember it at Justice Buick in New Jersey in 1959 when my parents bought > it. I was only 4 then but I knew it was a big deal that we were getting a > shiny New Red Triumph (2 yrs old), my dad had an old fade-2-pink TR 2 at > the time. My brother and I were ecstatic that there was carpet behind the > seats where we always rode, carseats - not-so-much, heck - this one didn't > even have a jumpseat, but we were styling. > > In 1961 we moved to Southern California crossing the US in the 2 TRs. Mom > raced it also; "Powderpuff" I think they called it. Actually she has more > 1st place trophies than dad which always tweaked him. They have great > stories and I have a few memories of literally racing for 3000 miles... > > Its been mine since I was 11, took my first date out in it (talk about a > beater - the car I mean). It was the first car I ever got airborne... > > nuf said > > M > > > > RACER BUD wrote: >> hi mark...I think it's fantastic that you're restoring the TR3 to the way >> your dad had it... >> you're doing wonderful stuff! >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" >> >> To: "Tim Murphy" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >> >> >>> Always interesting (and fun) posting here. Thanks for all the input. >>> >>> My brother and I were stripping the engine compartment on the car this >>> holiday. He wondered why I did not replace an inner fenderwell that my >>> dad welded after discovering the inadequacies of TR3 front axels and >>> sending a tire into a chain link fence which pitched it skyward ending >>> in a permanent impression on a fuel truck back in the early 60s (likely >>> at Riverside). >>> >>> This car is being "restored" to how I remember it; so my dads welding >>> stays, the bendable tabs stay and it is really my own personal time >>> capsule. >>> >>> Happy new year to all and thanks again... >>> >>> M >>> >>> Tim Murphy wrote: >>>> Interesting topic. The adhesive backed tie wrap bases work pretty good >>>> also, if you have a clean surface to stick them to and they only have >>>> to >>>> support the wires. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>>> Behalf Of Justin Wagner >>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:39 AM >>>> To: Rocky Entriken >>>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Mark Eginton >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Metal Question >>>> >>>> Sacrilege!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rocky Entriken wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Modern answer -- drill a hole and insert a zip-tie base. >>>>> >>>>> --Rocky >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jan 7 00:25:43 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 02:25:43 EST Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:24:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 > From: "Terry and Cindy" > Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query > To: > Message-ID: > <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com at Rat01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter pump. It > seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI delivery > but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is not > needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based on > experiences. > Thanks > Terry O'Beirne > > Hi Terry, I know nothing about Carter fuel pumps. I have been using Facet Silver Top Competition Unit part # 480530 for some years now, with no issues. I also use a Malpassi Filter King Fuel Regulator, (the one without the filter) I would NOT use a Triple Webers without an adjustable fuel regulator. I use a Stewart Warner electric Fuel Pressure gauge to keep an eye on what is happening. Ideal fuel pressure for my set-up seems to be between 1= - 2= psi depending on whether I am driving in town or on the interstate, (my car is a fast road rather than a race car). For filters, I use the glass cylinders with renewable nylon filters, although for race use you may prefer to use something without glass, but I advise to avoid paper filters. Regards Leon F Guyot http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Jan 7 09:44:23 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6 Triple carbs for sale Message-ID: <20090107164437.7A75E187878@autox.team.net> I have listed for sale a Dellorto DHLA 40 triple carb setup for a TR6/GT6 complete with linkage and Cannon late model TR6 intake manifold on ebaymotors. Item# 330298711417. In case anyone at FOT has a need or interest. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 30892 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Jan 7 12:48:32 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:48:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Rolling chassis's for sale Message-ID: <200901071248624.SM07304@[166.70.182.40]> Part of our move to Kentucky requires us to downsize our fleet of Triumphs.B With that in mind we have the following rolling chassis's available. TR4 rolling chassis with tub.B Tub is in relatively good shape.B Definitely worth restoring.B This would be a good candidate for someone that had a body that is worthless but otherwise complete. TR3 rolling chassis.B Very good shape.B Will likely need sand blasting. TR4 frame.B Will need sand blasting but in excellent shape. All are located just south of Little Rock Arkansas. Thanks, Brad From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jan 8 06:51:34 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:51:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] weber fuel pump query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7417DA64-769C-4F52-B133-2214EFD23B3B@wi.rr.com> Webers are very sensitive to fuel pressure. You need to run a regulator and the range should be between 1.5 - 2 lbs. otherwise you will experience "stumble". I run triple 40 DCOE's on my TR6. Allen On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:24:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > >> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:09:20 +1000 >> From: "Terry and Cindy" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] weber fuel pump query >> To: >> Message-ID: >> <20090106000922.NAJC14268.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com at Rat01> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> My research indicates that for triple webers, I should use a Carter >> pump. > It >> seems there are 2 models FMP60430 & FMP4070 , both having 4-6PSI >> delivery >> but with differing flow rates. It appears an external regulator is >> not >> needed with either of these. Does anyone have a counter view based >> on >> experiences. >> Thanks >> Terry O'Beirne >> >> Hi Terry, > > > I know nothing about Carter fuel pumps. > > I have been using Facet Silver Top Competition Unit part # 480530 > for some > years now, with no issues. > > I also use a Malpassi Filter King Fuel Regulator, (the one without the > filter) > > I would NOT use a Triple Webers without an adjustable fuel regulator. > > I use a Stewart Warner electric Fuel Pressure gauge to keep an eye > on what is > happening. > > Ideal fuel pressure for my set-up seems to be between 1= - 2= psi > depending > on whether I am driving in town or on the interstate, (my car is a > fast road > rather than a race car). > > For filters, I use the glass cylinders with renewable nylon filters, > although > for race use you may prefer to use something without glass, but I > advise to > avoid paper filters. > > Regards > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho > ts.com/user/vitesse1963 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Jan 9 14:07:10 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:07:10 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: I hear there are videos out there on Group 44. One is called the White Wave. Does anybody have this? I need these for our Group 44 dinner Thursday April 30th at The Mitty. By the way, the Group 44 Tribute is making very good progress. Bob Tullius will be our grand marshall and most of the team and the cars are will be there. Some details are at our site, but I will make a more formal invite when I get a few more details together. I asked earlier and got some response, but if you own one of these cars, or know of someone who does, please contact me. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jan 10 14:48:27 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hauling request Message-ID: <496917AB.1080709@cfl.rr.com> Anyone traveling empty or with enough room to haul a TR3 frame from the Little Rock area to Orlando FL area? thxx, Bob From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Jan 11 10:10:21 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:10:21 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: Mike Cook is assisting me with the Videos. Thanks to all who responded. We want to use them at the Thursday night Group 44 dinner and tribute to Bob Tullius. This will be semi-private function, but tickets will be made available to FOT members as soon as I get details worked out. As far as run groups go, we want to attract as many FOT members as possible, and see this as the unoffical, official east coast FOT event, as many can't go to Portland. The HSR is usually amenable to a Triumph group if we get enough entrants, which we should be able to do. Jack Whoerle has been involved before, on loan from SVRA to HSR, for the weekend. I will formally ask that this happen again, as Jack speaks our language and did agreat job looking out for our interests. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From JWoesvra at aol.com Sun Jan 11 10:13:11 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:13:11 EST Subject: [Fot] Need Group 44 videos Message-ID: Thanks for the confidence. I would be happy to help as long as you get HSR's blessing. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/11/2009 12:10:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, GRMTim at aol.com writes: The HSR is usually amenable to a Triumph group if we get enough entrants, which we should be able to do. Jack Whoerle has been involved before, on loan from SVRA to HSR, for the weekend. I will formally ask that this happen again, as Jack speaks our language and did agreat job looking out for our interests. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jan 12 12:14:36 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes Message-ID: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Hello FOTers, Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with? Thanks, Chuck Gee From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Jan 12 16:03:07 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:03:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wheels Message-ID: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been slightly flared). I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern and offset. Can anyone confirm this? If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am interested. Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 32147 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Mon Jan 12 16:18:30 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:18:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] wheels In-Reply-To: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> References: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <496BCFC6.9090807@cfl.rr.com> Same bolt pattern but are normally 14 inch. Walter Hollowell wrote: > For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking > Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been > slightly flared). > I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern > and offset. Can anyone confirm this? > If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am > interested. > Thank You > Walt Hollowell > Albuquerque, NM > > _____ > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter > We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 32147 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Jan 12 16:29:28 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes References: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c9750d$9dd0a0d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Chuck, I think Ted Schumacher at TSI sells a set of CR gears for that gearbox. No financial interest; I just always thought Ted's a good guy. Lots of snow and cold here in Erie. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes > Hello FOTers, > > Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Jan 12 17:09:40 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:09:40 EST Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes Message-ID: Yes, I can confirm that Ted has them as I have been discussing a set with him. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Tue Jan 13 07:45:36 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:45:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] wheels In-Reply-To: <20090112230322.5182B187660@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Walt, Yes they are the same. The 15x7" wheels we use on the front and back are 0 offset. I don't know about 6" wheels. Mike http://www.triumphowners.com/registry.cgi?sectionID=111014&vehicleID=135 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Walter Hollowell Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 5:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] wheels For my TR6 racecar project I am in need of some wheels. I am thinking Panasport type 15X6s in front and 7s in the rear (fender wells have been slightly flared). I seem to remember that Datsun 240/260/280 wheels were a similer bolt patern and offset. Can anyone confirm this? If anyone in FOT has some wheels they wish to sell at a fair price I am interested. Thank You Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Jan 13 08:07:32 2009 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:07:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Parts & Salvage Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Millar" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:30 AM Subject: Parts & Salvage Dear Sirs We are breaking over 1000 sports cars including over 200 TVR models. If you need parts for any TVR model drop us a line. We also have at least 350 damage repairable vehicles for sale at www.douglasvalley.co.uk click on salvage. Three sites in the UK and one in Perth W A. regards Jason Millar www.douglasvalley.co.uk email Jason at douglasvalley.co.uk 441257424695 salvage 441257472866 parts From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 13 08:24:20 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:24:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes In-Reply-To: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB430124AE9011-BA0-6C@webmail-dd14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I have an original Factory close ratio gearbox. 1.88 first, 1.46 second, 1.23 third, 1.0 fourth. Fourth gear has some chips, but the box works just fine. Shifter included. $2,000 US plus shipping. Sam Halkias> To: FOT at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:36 -0500> From: chasgee at aol.com> Subject: [Fot] TR4-6 close ratio gearstes> > Hello FOTers,> > Anyone have a close ratio gearset for the TR4-6 gearbox that they want to part with?> > Thanks,> > Chuck Gee> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 From bfeken at copper.net Tue Jan 13 11:01:12 2009 From: bfeken at copper.net (BFEKen@copper.net) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:01:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3A-TR6 close ratio gears Message-ID: <002901c975a8$ecd35c40$225afb48@keng> FOT, I had a conversation with Pete Cox this AM about future supplies of close ratio gear sets. He tells me that some 50 sets have been ordered & that some of the new gears have begun to arrive. He expects to have them available by early February. Ken Gillanders BFE From lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Jan 13 11:00:56 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:00:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weekend at the Glen Message-ID: Hello All, Neat little article in Moss' new issue of British Motoring. Rekindles some great memories of that wonderful event. Top picture is a great action shot of Tony in the 250K. And to my surprise has perhaps the smallest identifiable picture I'll ever see of my car [purple and yellow does tend to stand out in a crowd!]. The second pic. shows that all one has to do is R&R a head trackside and win the Bill Ames award and they start mistaking you for Kas Kastner - right Larry? [my apologies if that is you Kas, presenting the award, but I don't think so] Best New Year wishes to all, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From jmwagner at greenheart.com Tue Jan 13 11:04:31 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:04:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Off Topic, but worth checking out. Message-ID: <496CD7AF.8060903@greenheart.com> Check this out.... It works!!! Very cool! Follow link for video explanation of the free service. --Justin Wagner Dial from any phone 1-800-GOOG-411 (1-800-466-4411) http://www.google.com/goog411/ From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Jan 13 15:33:16 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:33:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <000401c975ce$ecb1d882$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Kudos SVRA... From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Jan 13 18:01:16 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <000401c975ce$ecb1d882$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EB1C@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-7N7LDG?OpenDocument The link got stripped from my last message... -----Original Message----- From: Henry Frye Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Kudos SVRA... From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Jan 13 18:42:46 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:42:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 65' Spit racer 4 Sale Message-ID: Fairly sorted out RMVR car, 1296 40+, O.D. rollers w/ open trlr. stored inside. Owner motivated. Contact Alan @ 303 601-0017 alaneha at yahoo.com thanks, Kevin From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 10:08:56 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011420091708.16243.496E1C2800092B2A00003F732213539653CE08019D099C@comcast.net> Hey, Henry, copy that! All last year I wore the $900 "budget" HANS with the sliding tethers and never even noticed it was on. After seeing Sid Lessard's Spitfire (same year as mine) impale the turn 9 guardrail head-on at the Glen last year (VRG), my first thought was "wow, I hope he was wearing a HANS, and I'm sure glad I am!" Good call, SVRA, in my opinion. Steve Groh SVRA 393 Spitfire -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Henry Frye" > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-7N7LDG?OpenDocument > > The link got stripped from my last message... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry Frye > Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > Kudos SVRA... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:04:35 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:04:35 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 11:09:58 AM Central Standard Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: > Hey, Henry, copy that! All last year I wore the $900 "budget" HANS with > the sliding tethers and never even noticed it was on. After seeing Sid > Lessard's Spitfire (same year as mine) impale the turn 9 guardrail head-on at the > Glen last year (VRG), my first thought was "wow, I hope he was wearing a HANS, > and I'm sure glad I am!" > Good call, SVRA, in my opinion. > I am a long time member of SVRA, and have great respect for their professional approach to such matters. I commend them on their dedication to safety issues. This head restraint issue is especially important with our hobby's recent experience (our own Jack Drews, Surjit Hermon, etc.). But making it mandatory for everyone but Pre-World War II cars with seven months notice strikes me as a little radical. SCCA, VSCDA and many others still have this issue as 'Highly Recommended', allowing it to be remain a personal decision. They are all in favor of such devices, but have not made them mandatory. I bite my tongue for appearing to throw stones at someone who wants to protect me. I should be thanking them. But if it is critically important and needs to be mandatory, why waive the issue for Prewar cars? I can think of several that go faster than I do, and they have antique steering and brakes. Just my thoughts... Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:23:00 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:23:00 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You cannot use a HANS device without those. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:09:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: why waive the issue for Prewar cars? I can think of several that go faster than I do, and they have antique steering and brakes. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 14 12:35:30 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:35:30 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: FOT: The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative merits of organizations and locations. Thanks, Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 12:39:52 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VTR..Gary horskorta Message-ID: <74085F59B6934B519365A2DD1791E462@Bud> Great coverage of Watkins Glen Triumph event in the new VTR mag...Good Job Gary Horskorta for the coverage and excellent photos..The cover photo of Jeff Snook and Henry Frye is Fantastic! Racer Bud From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 14 12:47:32 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:32 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You > cannot use a HANS device without those. > Jack... SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But I have to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, shoulder straps, head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I know the answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to chase them away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from our events who used to come regularly. A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety equipment to make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some personal decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 %26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 14:30:40 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:30:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <27299926.1231968640496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One of the larger groups of Pre-war cars comes out of VSCCA. They dont even require drivers to have a doctor sign a medical form so its not surprizing that they also dont have roll bars, shoulder belts or fuel cells. Its not they dont love their drivers, it's as was explained very carefully to me once...driving their cars is one of the few reasons some of these guys are still around. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 14, 2009 2:47 PM >To: JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra >writes: > > >> Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder harnesses. You >> cannot use a HANS device without those. >> >Jack... >SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers >in the Prewar Group? > >I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But I have >to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, shoulder straps, >head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I know the >answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to chase them >away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from our events >who used to come regularly. > >A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety equipment to >make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some personal >decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just >2 easy steps! >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 >%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Wed Jan 14 14:32:52 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: <18805151.1231968772928.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sebring 12 hr support race. You want spectacle racing, this is it. -----Original Message----- >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Sent: Jan 14, 2009 2:35 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months > >FOT: > >The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. > >What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, >distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... > >My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: > >The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR >Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA > >Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where >the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative >merits of organizations and locations. > >Thanks, > >Joe A >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Jan 14 14:55:13 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:55:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Triumph Ghetto will be assembled at VIR in April for the VDCA track time extravaganza as usual. All Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are welcome to join us for Surf 'n Turf dinner in the Ghetto on Friday night. I believe it's the weekend of April 10-13. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months FOT: The schedules are coming out and choices are premium for Triumph Racing. What are the various FOT plans for the first six months of this year? Time, distance, and money limits attending everything, for me, but.... My Top Two wish list, through June, would include: The Mitty in April/May - Group 44 Tribute HSR Blackhawk Farms in June - Father's Day Weekend. VSCDA Your list would be different than mine, but let's take a poll and see where the preferences are. Just looking for personal preferences, not the relative merits of organizations and locations. Thanks, Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 14 16:43:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:43:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level with very rare exception. On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:47 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2009 1:23:00 PM Central Standard Time, > JWoesvra > writes: > > >> Prewar cars are not required to have roll bars and shoulder >> harnesses. You >> cannot use a HANS device without those. >> > Jack... > SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do > the racers > in the Prewar Group? > > I realize SVRA has nothing but GOOD INTENTIONS with this issue. But > I have > to ask, why not insist on the same safety concerns (roll bars, > shoulder straps, > head restraints) for the Prewar racers. I am being facetious. I > know the > answer. No one wants to butcher those cars up, and no one wants to > chase them > away. There's already too many gorgeous prewar cars missing from > our events > who used to come regularly. > > A parallel thought...I can't imagine any way to mandate safety > equipment to > make motorcycle racing safe. If people are not allowed to make some > personal > decisions, one has to wonder why it is allowed at all. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just > 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx > ?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62 > %26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 14 17:18:28 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:18:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <713194.36465.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes - VDCA at VIR April 10-13 is #1 - VSCDA at Gingerman April 30-May 3 could be my second event - VSCDA at Blackhawk June 19-21 is a sure thing Dennis DeLap From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:00:59 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:00:59 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Jan 14 18:05:06 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:05:06 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT East of the Mississippi First six months Message-ID: Not a lot of track time but loads of excitement and history. We have never featured Triumph at Sebring. We can do it though. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 4:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grandwazoo at earthlink.net writes: Sebring 12 hr support race. You want spectacle racing, this is it. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 18:18:38 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > BillDentin > writes: > > SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the > racers > in the Prewar Group? > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 14 19:14:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:14:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: <0C738310BB3941FF82E7377FA351D9F8@Bud> I don't know about Lime Rock, but Peter Giddings in his pre-war Alfa turns about 2:09 at Infineon..faster than most 50's-late 60's production vintage racers..It takes real 'stuff' to drive those things fast..skinny wheels that bend..sideways all the time.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; ; > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > >> PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their >> agony? >> >> Jack Woehrle >> SVRA Technical Director >> jwoesvra at aol.com >> 803-463-5388 >> FAX 803-794-8747 >> 701 Center Street >> West Columbia, SC 29169 >> >> >> In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> BillDentin >> writes: >> >> SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the >> racers >> in the Prewar Group? >> >> >> >> **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >> capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jan 14 20:49:05 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <496EB231.10507@bradakis.com> You may remember a while back I was asking about a second gear scrunch in a TR6 gearbox I'd recently rebuilt. Finally pulled it out of the car and tore it down. Interesting. The fact that I measured good clearance on the the second gear synchro was due to the chunks of metal wedged in there. The distance washer at the back end of the second gear tophat had crumbled apart. The bronze tophat itself had not broken apart, though it was cracked and chewed up a fair amount on the small end. We surmise that it happened as a result of a missing cotter pin on the diff flange. Around the end of august the nut came loose, the pinion worked its way out of the bearings and into the carrier. It resulted in the car coming to an abrupt and less than graceful halt, as the owner related. My money is on the car being in second gear when it happened. Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 14 21:40:23 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:40:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed In-Reply-To: <496EB231.10507@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20090115044023.PQCT15744.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > Moss part number is > 847-065, Stanpart would be 216802. I might have one, but I'd have to dig around for it and won't be able to check until the weekend. Do the later gears have a different number of teeth? Randall From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 06:31:12 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:31:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <14053872.135718.1232026272195.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Mark; I will look thru my collection of gears this morning. If the gears haven't been changed your's should have: Symmetrical dog teeth Bronze bushings Synchronizer sleeves with wide grooves at the ends Later tooth profile The part NO. 216802 is correct for that serial number of gearbox, Provided no one has changed any of the gears to earlyer style. Will get back to you around lunch time. Dean T. Jan 14, 2009 11:03:33 PM, mark at bradakis.com wrote: Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 07:09:45 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 07:48:11 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:48:11 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti w/blowers, etc. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 07:56:07 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:56:07 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:48:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:01:58 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:01:58 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/15/2009 8:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra writes: > Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? > Just one. The other one developed a fuel pick up issue during a dive bomb pass trying to get by me. Bill ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:17:02 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:17:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <21158569.1232032622135.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ben Bragg got the Old Grey Mare down to a 1'08" last fall, I believe. the OGM is a ford flathead powered special that is - to put it mildly - technologically pretty agricultural but Ben is a superb driver. There are prewar GP cars that should be two seconds or more faster. Peter Giddings has certainly been well under 1'10" in the Maserati. Kind regards, jimdonick VSCCA Editor -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM >To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, >19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > > >> What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? > >I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex >Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my >knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone >else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti >w/blowers, etc. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 08:27:47 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Henry, With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our policies anyway. There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when technology is available to do so. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:32:24 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:32:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <30728332.1232033544999.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ben Bragg got the Old Grey Mare down to almost a 1'08" last fall, I believe. the OGM is a ford flathead powered special that is - to put it mildly - technologically pretty agricultural but Ben is a superb driver. There are prewar GP cars that should be two seconds or more faster. Peter Giddings has certainly been well under 1'10" in the Maserati and the Bugatti. Kind regards, jimdonick VSCCA Editor -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM >To: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/14/2009 7:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, >19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: > > >> What is a fast lap time for a pre war racer at lime Rock ? > >I'm a poor one to answer, as I've only raced there once., and it was a Rolex >Vintage Festival. Steve Earle has no times published, nor even taken to my >knowledge. I had a ball, but I have no idea what my times were, nor anyone >else's either. But I did get passed by several cars from the 1930s. Bugatti >w/blowers, etc. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:33:38 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:33:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Are any of your race cars street legal? I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your experiences or recommendations? If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad idea for a race car Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas Muffler: Supertrapp? Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. What would they look at at the DMV? ~Steve From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 08:41:29 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:41:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <22992212.1232034089363.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jeff Jacobson was the fast guy in the trike. He is capable on a very good day of getting down in the 1'10-ish space. I'm not sure he can get around much faster than that. jpd -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jan 15, 2009 10:01 AM >To: JWoesvra at aol.com, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > >In a message dated 01/15/2009 8:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, JWoesvra >writes: > > >> Weren't there a few Morgan Trikes that did that? >> >Just one. The other one developed a fuel pick up issue during a dive bomb >pass trying to get by me. > >Bill > > > > > >************** >Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 15 09:04:41 2009 From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (dale oesterle) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:04:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <957999.82573.qm@web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack: This is a very positive rule change. At Beaver Run last year in my spitfire, I was accelerating out of the hairpin up the hill at eleven onto the front stretch and was t-boned by a ginetta going backwards that had spun once in the braking zone at the end of the backstretch and cut across the wet grass backwards. He bent my frame (which runs down the center), ruined my tub, crushing, among other things the firewall bulkhead, and pushed my Nascar side bars (dual bars with three vertical supports) on the passenger side in 12 inches or more. I recieved a concussion and rib buises and the chin bar on my helmet was cracked where it hit my HANS device (going forward). I had installed a head and shoulder unit cup support system on my Kirkey seat, which also had rib and thigh supports. I was set up to pass inside another Ginetta and had just outbraked a Kurtis both of whom had no side protection at all. Drivers should buttress the HANS system with head and shoulder cups attached to their seats. Oesterle --- On Wed, 1/14/09, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: From: JWoesvra at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints To: BillDentin at aol.com, sgroh1 at comcast.net, henry at henryfrye.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:00 PM PreWar racers are a dying breed. Why would we want to prolong their agony? Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/14/2009 2:47:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin writes: SVRA must like the racers in the other groups better than they do the racers in the Prewar Group? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 09:43:39 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:43:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With all due respect, I like to keep things in prespective. I do value my life but see many organizations bend the safety rules to increase car count when the entries start to thin out. The guy who was killed at Road America had his cause of death as "blunt trauma to head and chest" or something like that according to Vintage racecar Magazine. I don't see where the neck restraint would have helped him out as much as stopping the race to remove the disabled car that he hit would have. Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Henry, With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our policies anyway. There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when technology is available to do so. Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 09:48:24 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:48:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Compromises on both sides of course. I plan to do this with the AMBRO. It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to have the choice. Joe >Are any of your race cars street legal? > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >experiences or recommendations? > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >idea for a race car > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped >TR3. > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca Thu Jan 15 09:53:42 2009 From: Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca (Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jack. I welcome the discussion SVRA is implementing the use of the HANS devise. # 42 Triumph TR-8 Peter Bulkowski From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jan 15 09:57:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:46 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: In a message dated 01/14/2009 5:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few > years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck > protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level > with very rare exception. > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing than I'll ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and I think they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all sorts of racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after incidents, cycle racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs dangling. In most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws on the books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the riders fight these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose to argue against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes down to a stand against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic laws. You know, "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business." Incidentally, it is NOT a personal issue for me. Wife Shirley is getting me a HANS device for my birthday. She was with me at GRATTAN the day Jack Drews was killed. That was last August. She gave me until the end of the year to get one on my own, and then 'mandated' it. That's seven months...pretty much the same as what SVRA is giving. Difference is, I can argue with SVRA if I choose to. I don't dare argue with Shirley. Bill Dentinger PS...Bill...I always meant to ask you. What did you think of GRATTAN when you raced there? It remains my favorite track. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 10:08:23 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is huge lobbying group that has as its sole purpose to overturn Helmet laws. They very powerful and have overturned the laws in every state they have entered, and are essentially just going down the list 'til they've done it in all fifty, they still have a few states left. The average motorcycle head injury runs $80K and the average insurance policy will cover about $40K the taxpayers pick up the balance. This could start a whole new discussion................Henry Morrison> From: BillDentin at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:57:46 -0500> To: Billb at bnj.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > In a message dated 01/14/2009 5:43:56 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes:> > > > Bad example Billy, Motorcycle racing is far safer than it was just a few > > years ago, mostly because of required equipment (spine protectors, armor, neck > > protection and changes to helmets. All required at even the amateur level > > with very rare exception. > > > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. > > I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing than I'll > ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and I think > they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all sorts of > racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after incidents, cycle > racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs dangling. In > most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather > authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. > > This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws on the > books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the riders fight > these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose to argue > against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes down to a stand > against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic laws. You know, > "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business."> > Incidentally, it is NOT a personal issue for me. Wife Shirley is getting me > a HANS device for my birthday. She was with me at GRATTAN the day Jack Drews > was killed. That was last August. She gave me until the end of the year to > get one on my own, and then 'mandated' it. That's seven months...pretty much > the same as what SVRA is giving. Difference is, I can argue with SVRA if I > choose to. I don't dare argue with Shirley. > > Bill Dentinger> > PS...Bill...I always meant to ask you. What did you think of GRATTAN when > you raced there? It remains my favorite track.> > > > > **************> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=> DecemailfooterNO62)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 15 10:14:58 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: My 64 Spit (Now Marty's) was street legal for a short while. Well, it had plates anyway and it was 'mostly' legal...It was legal in Wisconsin, which had some pretty lax definitions of 'street legal' at the time. Turn signals were ArmStrong, no generator/alternator, you had to plug in the battery when you got home, etc. I drove it down to the gas station one to put gas in it(2 blocks), and drove it from the storage location to the garage (about 11 miles) on slicks. It was fun.... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, wrote: > Compromises on both sides of course. > > I plan to do this with the AMBRO. > > It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to > have the choice. > > Joe > > >Are any of your race cars street legal? > > > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > >experiences or recommendations? > > > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > >idea for a race car > > > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > > > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > >TR3. > > > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > > > > >~Steve > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 10:20:00 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:20:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0f3a01c97735$7f5356f0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > What would they look at at the DMV? Definitely varies greatly with state (and even DMV office). Mine let me register a car that had no windshield, hood or trunk lid, and no rear fenders. The reason they gave for turning me down the first time was lack of seats. (But I also put on the steering wheel, doors, front apron and front fenders before going back.) Didn't have a title either, so they had me sign that the car had been in my possession and not on the street, etc. ... my new title is supposed to come from Sacramento by next month. But my DMV's supervisor is also president of the Studebaker club, so YMMV However, the police are rather more picky around here, they will stop you for no windshield. Apparently Brooklands style racing screens are OK, but you must have something. FWIW, I get by pretty good with the frame about 3.25" from the ground. Too high for a racecar, but anything lower drags too often on the street for my comfort, especially on parking lot speed bumps. One solution might be taller tires for street use; as you probably wouldn't want to wear out your race tires anyway. Supposedly in PA, you can't even lower the car without getting in trouble. They probably insist on proper bumpers as well. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 10:20:46 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:20:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> I think it's a great idea, but then I've considered making Peyote street legal so I could drive it to the track. Just one of those whacky ideas. My Ambro will definitely be street legal. Regs vary greatly from state to state, but in almost any state you can do a once-in-your-life special registration that covers almost any construction. the DMV is not generally interested in much, you don't even need headlights in most states . You need to find out local biases and talk to someone at the DMV. Talk to the local hot rodders and find where the most lenient inspectors are. On Jan 15, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Steven Belfer wrote: > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of > some driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might > be my demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, > bad idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but > it's killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 10:21:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:21:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f3b01c97735$bbdd14d0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Still gonna, still gonna, still gonna die ... From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:23:08 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: You'l be happy to know it's still just as streatable. I drove it about 5 miles just before winter to stick it in a storage barn since my garage was going to be tied up over the winter with my TR4A/6 project and I didnt feel like draggin out the trailer. Got alot of funny looks on the road:) Thank goodnes I live in the sticks. Marty My 64 Spit (Now Marty's) was street legal for a short while. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 10:24:26 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:24:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011520091724.14912.496F714A000BB5CC00003A4022069997359705029A0002030E0B01019B@comcast.net> I got a HANS a week after Uncle Jack passed. I had planned on it all along but that did it for me. Outright death is not always the result of an overextended neck. Losing the use of my arms and legs is far worse for me. Just a chair for a quardraplegic is over ten times the cost of the HANS. I believe vintage racing as a whole are the last to mandate head restraints. NASA made them mandatory last year. It was an easy choice for me. Jim G. -------------- Original message -------------- From: > With all due respect, I like to keep things in prespective. I do value my > life but see many organizations bend the safety rules to increase car count > when the entries start to thin out. The guy who was killed at Road America > had his cause of death as "blunt trauma to head and chest" or something like > that according to Vintage racecar Magazine. I don't see where the neck > restraint would have helped him out as much as stopping the race to remove the > disabled car that he hit would have. Mandatory neck restraints have been > tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy > once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:27:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > Henry, > > With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since you > have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you agree with our > policies anyway. > > There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have been > sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to race with us to > understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to take a > hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are protected, when > technology is available to do so. > > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires > before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do > you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the street. If > all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been > required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, > leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I wore. Adding > neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. > Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars > racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Jan 15 10:30:51 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10ABD366-2F7A-4CFF-A9BE-DF789EDF1089@earthlink.net> Come on Henry, you DO wear a helmet to work - I've seen it! OK, so it was a "vintage" style aviator with goggles and scarf but it was still unmistakably you sticking up out oh that Healey - got a good laugh that day! Seriously though, I knew the writing was on the wall after last years tragedies. I'm not a fan of mandates of any sort but look at it this way - If they were to be mandated across all racing [which I think will happen eventually] maybe the cost would come down to something a bit more reasonable. Regarding the fatal Surjit Hermon accident at Road America, perhaps you shouldn't be so judgmental - I was in that session and don't think the VSCDA folks need or deserve the burden of second guessing their actions. The Mini was so far off the racing surface that a driver would almost have to take aim to hit it and I think that is pretty much what happened - Target Fixation! I'll never know if a HANS would have saved him but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have hurt him either. For me, I don't have one yet but it is on the A list. As for motorcycle helmets, anyone who doesn't wear one is just plain stupid. The only problem with mandating them is that it allows stupid people to live longer and takes "natural selection" out of the picture. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:09 AM, wrote: > I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy > new tires > before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to > work, do > you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on the > street. If > all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. > had been > required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I > started, > leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I > wore. Adding > neck restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone > starting out. > > Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual > purpose cars > racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at att.net Thu Jan 15 10:31:32 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011520091731.1370.496F72F4000623BB0000055A22218801869B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Steve, My TR-4A is registered for street use in California. It has headlights and a horn but the windshield is cut down so no wipers (or top). Its fun to drive on the street for short periods of time but the ride is too stiff to be fun for too long. It's also pretty loud. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Steven Belfer : -------------- > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped > TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Thu Jan 15 10:31:52 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was hoping to do the same. Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then drive home. The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the company knew about the car's use. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 10:44:48 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different than "life on the street". My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 10:31:47 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR6 second gear needed Message-ID: <21887948.143892.1232040707528.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Mark; I have two of the 216802 gears. One has 6 pitted teeth where the top of the gear was out of the oil for a looong period of time. Be glad to send one. Your choice. Dean Anyway, the gear itself, a 33 tooth one from gearbox CD40866 had some unwanted machining done to it by the bits and grits the disintegrated washer has strewn around the box. Do any of you happen to have a usuable gear laying around you'd be willing to part with? Moss part number is 847-065, I haven't scrounged through my other books yet to dig out the Stanpart number. mjb. From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Jan 15 11:07:16 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:07:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please remember that SVRA , CSRG, HMSA, GR, Sovren and everybody else has there own sandbox and "there" rules to play in "there" sandbox. It's your choice weather you wish to play by those rules. Tony Garmey> From: JWoesvra at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street".> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> > > Jack Woehrle> SVRA Technical Director> jwoesvra at aol.com> 803-463-5388> FAX 803-794-8747> 701 Center Street> West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most > I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 15 11:10:05 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always wanted to buy an old Formula Vee car, add lights and a horn and register it as a VW with a body kit. I was able to legally drive my 63 Spitfire on the street for the first time last fall at the Glen Historic recreation. With the exception of breaking a universal joint leaving the curb downtown it was the highlight of the weekend. mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 11:30:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:30:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The average > motorcycle > head injury runs $80K Last I heard, the costs were actually substantially higher for those wearing helmets. Something about a funeral being cheaper than 20 years in a hospital bed. Arguably, requiring full body armor 24/7 would also save lives, what with drive-by shootings and all. Call me "stupid", but I'm not doing that either. Randall From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 11:33:47 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street". > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. I don't know the answer to this one, but I have first hand experience with some of the more "backwater" venues for roundy-round types. If you want to see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. Especially the "hobby" classes. One of my buddies is a first responder (licensed EMT) and he worked trackside safety. He was actually threatened when he approached a participant that had the seat belts _tied to the seat and not bolted to the floor_ and told the participant to fix it. The participant response was something like "I'll tear your lungs out if you don't let me race". Oh well. That was New Hampshire. Live Free or Die. They have no helmet law. They also have 5 or 6 fatalities every year at the Loudon bike week. Go figure. But money on "backing off" on safety mandates is on small local track organizations. Once there's a fatality or accident with permanent disability, the tracks and/or organizations usually go bankrupt (because of the legal morass). > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 11:39:44 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:39:44 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: We ran an "enduro" many years ago at the local dirt track. You were required to have some sort of roll bar. One car had two 4x4's jambed between the roof and floor, with nails through the top to hold them in place. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: If you want to see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. Especially the "hobby" classes. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 11:51:12 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <48E283FE.6AF7D110.00159EE9@cs.com> The Jensens may remember the JAGUAR COUPE that had seat belts attached to the wooden floor boards at GREENWOOD. The driver died in the rollover. (mid-1960s) EDUCATION THROUGH ATTRITION? >We ran an "enduro" many years ago at the local dirt track. You were required >to have some sort of roll bar. One car had two 4x4's jambed between the roof >and floor, with nails through the top to hold them in place. > >Jack Woehrle >SVRA Technical Director >jwoesvra at aol.com >803-463-5388 >FAX 803-794-8747 >701 Center Street >West Columbia, SC 29169 > > >In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:34:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > >If you want to >see SCARY lack of adherence to safety, check out a small circle track. >Especially the "hobby" classes. > > > >**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 11:53:58 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:53:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought Grattan was a great track. Technical, fiddly, and a good test of suspension tuning. I don't care for high horsepower tracks in general, probably because I don't have much. I really liked that off camber turn. I wouldn't call it my favorite, but it's right up there. Motorcycle racers ARE nuts, I know that personally. Every time you get hurt (and you do get hurt a lot) the primary concern is "how long is this going to take before I can get back to racing" which explains a lot of things like pins, screws and plates where natural healing would be better, and casts being cut off in the pits with diagonal cutters. All these years later I'm paying a price, but it sure was fun while it lasted. You think scrambling into a corner to pass for position, late braking, with the rear end hopping and the front end sliding is fun in a car, try it on a bike, where four riders might be occupying the same space as one car. My heart is pounding just thinking of it. I still have dreams of sliding my bike into the big sweepers on a mile dirt track, drifting, drifting, with the rear end clawing for grip, the front end cranked within a fraction of full lock, sliding my foot until the rear end stated driving and then putting it back on the peg, still sliding, but starting to drive for the straight. Jesus. The one thing I NEVER skimped on was safety gear, as much because I believed it would reduce the down time as for any life-saving aspect. I truly believed I was immortal. Anyone who wants to ride a bike on the street without a helmet should be allowed to--as long as they are over 21 and have signed an organ donor card. The outlaw bikers that all cruiser riders emulate used to call themselves one-percenters, because the AMA (american motorcycle association) said 99 percent of motorcyclists were law abiding citizens. Those hairy guys with the do rags are 99 percent poseurs who put 100 miles a year on their bike and work as accountants and real estate agents. Nouveaux tough. Starbucks Angels. Why waste a perfectly good helmet on them. I feel uncomfortable riding a bike in my driveway without a top quality, full coverage helmet on. Incidentally, here's my latest bit of stupidity: http://www.kenalu.com/2008/11/30/sup-motorcycle-trailer/ On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Mr. Babcock...My life is one big Bad Example. > > I am sure you are far more knowledgeable about motorcycle racing > than I'll > ever be. Last year I did watch the Super Bikes at ROAD AMERICA, and > I think > they're all nuts. One year BLACKHAWK held a Speed Week and had all > sorts of > racers at the track including motorcycles. I can remember after > incidents, cycle > racers lined up outside the First Aid Station, some with limbs > dangling. In > most instances, they were not so much seeking First Aid, but rather > authorization to go back out again. They're nuts. > > This whole issue reminds me of the mandatory motorcycle helmet laws > on the > books in many states, and the way a significant portion of the > riders fight > these laws. May be difficult to understand why anyone would choose > to argue > against what seems to be a good law. I guess, for some, it comes > down to a stand > against Big Brother overstepping his bounds, and Paternalistic > laws. You know, > "It's my head and my neck...mind your own business." From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 11:54:13 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:54:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed off. This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves me................Cheers Henry Morrison From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different than "life on the street". My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good Luck. Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jan 15 12:35:25 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> One time driving down the Interstate (in Kansas) I went by a winged sprint car that had been made street legal. He'd added headlights/taillights was the only obvious modification, oh and a license plate holder. Don't recall if he had fenders, but if he did they were just moytorcycle fenders hung on the suspension. Horn? Don't know. Windshield -- no, but he wore a full-face helmet. Presumably the engine was seriously detuned. Still a 1-seater. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Street Legal > Are any of your race cars street legal? > > I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an > OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some > driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my > demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > > If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your > experiences or recommendations? > > If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad > idea for a race car > > Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > > Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > > Muffler: Supertrapp? > > Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. > > This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's > killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > > What would they look at at the DMV? > > > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Jan 15 12:53:03 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <48B4672CAA694890A249C4D62E9CD419@rocky> Message-ID: I have this Formula Ford chassis (With Spit front uprights!) sitting in my garage I keep thinking about turning into a high mpg street car...Maybe a nice 2L Audi engine/trans (since it's already longitudinal)...Since the 2L Rover engine doesn't mate up with any useful transmission...Sigh. So many projects... On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > One time driving down the Interstate (in Kansas) I went by a winged sprint > car that had been made street legal. He'd added headlights/taillights was > the only obvious modification, oh and a license plate holder. Don't recall > if he had fenders, but if he did they were just moytorcycle fenders hung on > the suspension. Horn? Don't know. Windshield -- no, but he wore a full-face > helmet. Presumably the engine was seriously detuned. Still a 1-seater. > > --Rocky Entrik > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" < > colordog.1 at earthlink.net> > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:33 AM > Subject: [Fot] Street Legal > > > > Are any of your race cars street legal? >> >> I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >> OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some driver >> in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my demise. I'm >> more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. >> >> If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >> experiences or recommendations? >> >> If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >> idea for a race car >> >> Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal >> >> Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas >> >> Muffler: Supertrapp? >> >> Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped TR3. >> >> This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >> killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. >> >> What would they look at at the DMV? >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 15 13:23:53 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the market and prices should come down. I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how much does carbon fiber and molds cost. Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying special pricing? Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; Cc: "fot" ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed >off. > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves > me................Cheers Henry Morrison > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > [Fot] > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > different > than "life on the street". > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > most I > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 13:29:38 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:29:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Except for the fact that the VMC is supposed to allow for traveling around to different sanboxes and playing with others. I usually am somewhat suspect on many safety areas on my car, cause I keep it closer to original condition, and have never been refused entry into other club's events. It's always difficult for an organization to enforce one set of rules on its members and allow visitors to slide......................Henry Morrison From: horizonracing at msn.comTo: jwoesvra at aol.com; dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; billdentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; jensen87 at aol.comSubject: RE: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraintsDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:07:16 -0800 Please remember that SVRA , CSRG, HMSA, GR, Sovren and everybody else has there own sandbox and "there" rules to play in "there" sandbox. It's your choice weather you wish to play by those rules. Tony Garmey> From: JWoesvra at aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > as anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat different > than "life on the street".> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > enforcement? We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> > > Jack Woehrle> SVRA Technical Director> jwoesvra at aol.com> 803-463-5388> FAX 803-794-8747> 701 Center Street> West Columbia, SC 29169 > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and most > I know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > Luck. > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Jan 15 13:32:34 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure all these devices are patented and until the patents run out the manufacturer's will set the prices, not the market. Profiting on safety? Imagine............Henry Morrison> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; jwoesvra at aol.com; billb at bnj.com; billdentin at aol.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net; jensen87 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:23:53 -0600> > I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, > but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the > things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is > price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and > demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the > market and prices should come down.> > I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is > some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have > thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers > and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should > cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how > much does carbon fiber and molds cost.> > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying > special pricing?> > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; > Cc: "fot" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > > >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed > >off.> > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves> > me................Cheers Henry Morrison> >> > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > > [Fot]> > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com;> > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com> >> > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > > as> > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > > different> > than "life on the street".> >> > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > > enforcement?> > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas.> >> > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX> > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169> >> >> > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,> > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes:> > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > > most I> > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > > Luck.> >> >> > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 15 13:33:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net><6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com> <4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AA77A327E2842168E5123C740822617@DadsComputer> A number of years back the VTR had a classic car insurance provider, and I have insured my 2 street TR6's with that provider ever since. Angela Anthony is the agent and I called her the other day about insuring my recently purchased TR4 race car. I bought it in Ohio and it had a lapsed registration there so I thought, why not, get it plates and I can drive it around. We have a 5 year Antique car registration here in Texas that is cheap. She is working up the deal and can even insure my other race car that has no title if I am willing to apply for one. The policies are stated value like the Hagerties but are underwritten by Infinity. She said they won't do the race car but she had another provider. Doesn't cover you on the track but if you want to drive on the street or worry about theft.......You can call her at 908-757-8343. NFI. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was > hoping to do the same. > > Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then > drive home. > > The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the > company knew about the car's use. > > A. > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 13:48:10 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:48:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I run fully street legal. With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a welded diff. It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. Chris From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu Jan 15 13:57:09 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:57:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race car insurance (was Street Legal) References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net><6A37BFF9-8574-4B16-9E4C-5B6554693D0E@bnj.com><4362ae390901150931o3e90594aof3c6344fbd09be1f@mail.gmail.com> <7AA77A327E2842168E5123C740822617@DadsComputer> Message-ID: My race car (HP Spitfire) has been covered for years by Heacock Classic Insurance [formerly Parish Heacock] (www.heacockclassic.com). Yes, they know it's a race car. $250/year covers it for replacement value and even covers the trailer. $500 deductible. The caveat: the policy lapses as soon as I drive onto the track, resumes as soon as I come off. Primarily it covers me for all the off-track things that can happen -- I worry about vandalism; if the house catches on fire the homeowner's policy does not cover vehicles (even non-road vehicles); what if somebody wrecks me while I'm towing (nearly happened once in St. Louis when a guy spun across my tow van's nose on a rain-slick Interstate). --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "Andre Rousseau" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >A number of years back the VTR had a classic car insurance provider, and I >have insured my 2 street TR6's with that provider ever since. Angela >Anthony is the agent and I called her the other day about insuring my >recently purchased TR4 race car. I bought it in Ohio and it had a lapsed >registration there so I thought, why not, get it plates and I can drive it >around. We have a 5 year Antique car registration here in Texas that is >cheap. She is working up the deal and can even insure my other race car >that has no title if I am willing to apply for one. The policies are stated >value like the Hagerties but are underwritten by Infinity. She said they >won't do the race car but she had another provider. Doesn't cover you on >the track but if you want to drive on the street or worry about >theft.......You can call her at 908-757-8343. > NFI. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre Rousseau" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > >> I've talked to a few VARAC guys about this subject as early on I was >> hoping to do the same. >> >> Spec the GT6 so I could drive to the events and run the weekend, then >> drive home. >> >> The issue they all had was insurance. No one would cover them once the >> company knew about the car's use. >> >> A. >> >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 13:59:49 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:59:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <008A8244C5914A14A803E9A286544159@KasPC> References: <72E6BCB3-9C02-4CA6-BDDB-4D5D011F5C79@earthlink.net> <008A8244C5914A14A803E9A286544159@KasPC> Message-ID: I get stopped several times a year because people accuse me for "driving with a race car on open roads" but after an inspection of the cars papers they let me go each time. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009 21:50 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Street Legal All except when the local law comes down and asks for your driving license, right? :-) :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Steven Belfer'" ; "'FOT'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >I run fully street legal. > With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a > welded diff. > It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 15 14:05:37 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices Message-ID: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new hat to go with it. http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm What are the best sources out there? Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jan 15 14:09:08 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:09:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] WG: Street Legal Message-ID: THIS is sick: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eOE9sjsV15w -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Craig [mailto:wensley_tr at comcast.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2009 22:03 An: 'MadMarx' Betreff: RE: [Fot] Street Legal Chris you are a sick boy (with a welded diff. of all things) Craig PS: Have fun -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:48 PM To: 'Steven Belfer'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal I run fully street legal. With lights, muffler, racing ride hight, and a full racing engine and a welded diff. It's good fun drive through town or highways with a racer. Chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 14:37:07 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:37:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Message-ID: No, you don't. the attachment parts screw onto an existing helmet. I'm surprised no one has developed a competing product at a competitive price. I know the core design is protected, but the patent would have to be pretty specific to be useful protection. On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a > new hat > to go with it. > > > > http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm > > > > What are the best sources out there? > > > > Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. > Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From Labs0808 at aol.com Thu Jan 15 14:49:20 2009 From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:49:20 EST Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions Message-ID: _Safety Solutions_ (http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/) Here are some options ? **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From alfetta95 at optonline.net Thu Jan 15 16:29:30 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:29:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use the Issac Device. Take a look at it also. SVRA ok with it? Todd Redmond hursday, January 15, 2009 4:50 pm Subject: [Fot] Check out Safety Solutions To: fot at autox.team.net > _Safety Solutions_ > (http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/wordpress/) > > Here are some options ? > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in > just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6nut at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 16:33:20 2009 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:33:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> Randall wrote: > Last I heard, the costs were actually substantially higher for those > wearing helmets.Something about a funeral being cheaper than 20 years > in a hospital bed. > I have ridden motorcycles for the past 30 years (when I was young & daring, I raced them - but that's another story). Nowadays, whenever I ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. One of my co-workers, upon seeing me enter the building in my gear asked me if I was a "safety freak". I told him no, but that at my age, I heal slower so I need to dress appropriately for the activity. Hugh Barber '73 TR6 '05 Suzuki SV1000S From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:00:18 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <011620090000.10417.496FCE1200065CD2000028B122135285739705029A0002030E0B01019B@comcast.net> I believe the R3 is more expensive and they require a body harness, it isn't secured with your belts. I wasn't impressed with the one I looked at. The Hutchins device is junk, it too has a harness and in a hard crash will tend to compress your spine. I thought I would be bothered by the HANS but I didn't know it was there after about six laps. I got the one with sliding tethers. I raced motocross and supercross until six years ago and a neck injury just about put me in a wheelchair. MX riders now have head restraints and they are getting pretty popular. I looked for a used HANS for a couple months but they are usually sold the same day or hour the ad prints. jim g -------------- Original message -------------- From: "BOB KRAMER" > I appreciate the SVRA stepping up and mandating head and neck restraints, > but I have my doubts as to the money side of the HANS business. One of the > things that has stopped many of us from just running out and buying them is > price, and now with the trend toward mandated usage, the laws of supply and > demand say that with sales increasing other suppliers should get into the > market and prices should come down. > > I say that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek, because although there is > some competition with the R3 device and the Hutchens Device, I would have > thought that prices would have come down already. I know product engineers > and designers deserve their rewards, but I can't see why these things should > cost what they do this far into the product cycle. Look at the Hutchens, how > much does carbon fiber and molds cost. > > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying > special pricing? > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "Bill Babcock" ; > Cc: "fot" ; > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > > >A lot have talked about it, but VARA tried to mandate it and then backed > >off. > > This all happened about the time Dale was killed, if my memory serves > > me................Cheers Henry Morrison > > > > From: JWoesvra at aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:48 -0500Subject: Re: > > [Fot] > > SVRA to require head and neck restraintsTo: dos_gusanos at msn.com; > > billb at bnj.com; BillDentin at aol.comCC: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com > > > > You seem like a reasonable guy and I hate personal protection laws as much > > as > > anyone. However, in the racing business the dynamics are somewhat > > different > > than "life on the street". > > > > My question is: what other organizations have backed off on HANS > > enforcement? > > We would perhaps like to discuss the problems they faced and share ideas. > > > > Jack WoehrleSVRA Technical Directorjwoesvra at aol.com803-463-5388FAX > > 803-794-8747701 Center StreetWest Columbia, SC 29169 > > > > > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:43:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > > Mandatory neck restraints have been tried with other organizations and > > most I > > know of have backed off the policy once they tried to enforce it. Good > > Luck. > > > > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jan 15 17:10:31 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:10:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Nowadays, whenever I > ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at an anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he replied "Being opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes the right to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all for that matter. Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so much as seat belts retrofitted From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 17:26:14 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:26:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: >> Nowadays, whenever I >> ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. > > Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at > an > anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he > replied "Being > opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" > > As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes > the right > to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all > for that > matter. > > Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact > protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. > > Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so > much as > seat belts retrofitted From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 17:47:10 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:47:10 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: I agree but it was Jill. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 17:52:33 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:52:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com><496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net><0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <5C57A10778014B6EB5265B6AF3B53B57@Bud> Woooohoo!...Go Billy Go! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Randall" Cc: "'fot'" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken > away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power > doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for > all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > > Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, > flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie > that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you > have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both > with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. > > Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: > >>> Nowadays, whenever I >>> ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. >> >> Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at >> an >> anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he >> replied "Being >> opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" >> >> As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes >> the right >> to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all >> for that >> matter. >> >> Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact >> protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. >> >> Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so >> much as >> seat belts retrofitted > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 18:16:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:16:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> I've been trying to forget. On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > I agree but it was Jill. > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > > In a message dated 1/15/2009 7:26:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes: > Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for > all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > > > > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 18:43:39 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > I've been trying to forget. > On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: Actually, it was Joan: Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jan 15 18:46:49 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:46:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I've been trying to forget. >> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > > Actually, it was Joan: > > Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as > President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her resignation on > December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the National Highway Traffic > Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter administration from 1977 to > 1981.[2] "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. :-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Billb at bnj.com Thu Jan 15 18:49:29 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:49:29 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1050FF75-5A6D-43A0-A6FC-5116B833C0CA@bnj.com> ...What were we talking about? On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >> >>> I've been trying to forget. >>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >> >> Actually, it was Joan: >> >> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who >> served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced >> her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of >> the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the >> Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] > > "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. > > ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. > > :-) > > rml From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Jan 15 18:55:38 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: <35E37F77.77DD9995.00159EE9@cs.com> I dnt know, but I think Jill was a NADERITE. Were they sisters? >...What were we talking about? > > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>>> I've been trying to forget. >>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Actually, it was Joan: >>> >>> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who >>> served as President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced >>> her resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of >>> the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the >>> Carter administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] >> >> "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. >> >> ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. >> >> :-) >> >> rml >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:02:02 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:02:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116020232.8E98D18788F@autox.team.net> I personally applaud SVRA's decision. - Tony Drews At 09:27 AM 1/15/2009, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >Henry, > >With all respect due you, I'm sorry that your life is so worthless. Since >you have not raced with SVRA, it really doesn't matter whether you >agree with >our policies anyway. > >There were 3 known fatalities in vintage racing last year that might have >been sore necks if we had done this a year ago. You don't have to >race with us >to understand that we are being proactive in this case. We are willing to >take a hit on entries to insure the folks that do race with us are >protected, >when technology is available to do so. > > > >Jack Woehrle >SVRA Technical Director >jwoesvra at aol.com >803-463-5388 >FAX 803-794-8747 >701 Center Street >West Columbia, SC 29169 > > >In a message dated 1/15/2009 9:11:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dos_gusanos at msn.com writes: > >I don't currently wear a neck restraint in my racecar. I'll buy new tires >before the neck restraint. I don't wear a helmet when I drive to work, do >you? Probably should since most of my big wrecks have been on >the street. If >all the safety stuff Fuel cells, health exams, fire systems, etc. had been >required when I started vintage racing, I wouldn't have. When I started, >leather work gloves were all that was required, that's what I >wore. Adding neck >restraints puts up one more barrier to entry to someone starting out. > >Henry Morrison, from the wild wild west, where I still see dual purpose cars >racing without fuel cells or rollbars........... > > > >**************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's >capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Thu Jan 15 19:02:47 2009 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:02:47 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints Message-ID: Jill is listed as once heading the NTSB. Joan is listed as head of the NHTSA. WTF, I have just spent way too much time on such a nasty subject. THX Babcock! Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 1/15/2009 8:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: I dnt know, but I think Jill was a NADERITE. Were they sisters? **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 19:07:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: <63A9B273-2786-4315-AB74-3AF0F37D3F38@bnj.com> <1050FF75-5A6D-43A0-A6FC-5116B833C0CA@bnj.com> Message-ID: Since we're a bit off topic.....DO YOU KNOW..Lafong?..Carl LaFong!..Capital L...small a ..capital F..small o..small n...small g...... No! I don't know Carl Lafong..Capital L ..small a ..capital .F..small o..small n..small g...and if I did know him i wouldn't tell you!..now get out of here you #@$%^& W.C Fields...his great car movie was 'Road Hog'(different movie than the Lafong episode) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Robert Lang" Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > ...What were we talking about? > > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Robert Lang wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >>> >>>> I've been trying to forget. >>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:47 PM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Actually, it was Joan: >>> >>> Joan Claybrook (born June 12, 1937) is an American lawyer who served as >>> President of Public Citizen from 1982 until she announced her >>> resignation on December 9, 2008.[1] Previously, she was head of the >>> National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in the Carter >>> administration from 1977 to 1981.[2] >> >> "Jill" was probably Jill Clayburgh - actress. >> >> ... whatever. It probably doesn't matter. >> >> :-) >> >> rml > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:23:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:23:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> Message-ID: <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> They added the posts to my fairly inexpensive G-Force full face helmet, so you don't need a new helmet if you've got a full face one. Mine's an SA-2000 so will probably become obsolete when the SA-2010's come out. The posts can then be moved to the new lid. - Tony At 03:05 PM 1/15/2009, Richard Taylor wrote: >Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new hat >to go with it. > > > > http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm > > > >What are the best sources out there? > > > >Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? > > > >Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > >TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > >t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >196 >Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > >tel: >04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > >fax: (404) 223-1312 > >mobile: >04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Jan 15 19:25:22 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:25:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: <20090116020232.8E98D18788F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I agree. Every day I wake up with a headache and stiff neck I regret not having one on in '96 when I hit the turn one wall at Road Atlanta. I would feel naked without one now. Mike I personally applaud SVRA's decision. - Tony Drews From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 19:26:18 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:26:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans Devices In-Reply-To: <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> References: <6B28604583C1486EA17A567E790E6A15@richardiipc> <20090116022321.E150B187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901151826g74dd6a67p93e1557472343f85@mail.gmail.com> For anyone considering getting a Hans,be sure to g et it with the sliding tethers. Otherwise you cannot turn your head to the side much at all. Found this to be very inconvenient when I went off track and literally had to turn the car to face the oncoming traffic to see when I could get back on -- fortunately this was at Portland and I was a ways off the track in the grass. The tethers let you turn. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > They added the posts to my fairly inexpensive G-Force full face helmet, so > you don't need a new helmet if you've got a full face one. Mine's an > SA-2000 so will probably become obsolete when the SA-2010's come out. The > posts can then be moved to the new lid. > > - Tony > > At 03:05 PM 1/15/2009, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Here are $700, $900 and $1300 models. I presume you also gotta buy a new >> hat >> to go with it. >> >> >> >> http://carverfab.com/Hans%20choices.htm >> >> >> >> What are the best sources out there? >> >> >> >> Will the Hans requirement also be an HSR rule? >> >> >> >> Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA >> >> TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE >> >> > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+S >> t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite >> 196 >> Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 >> >> tel: >> > http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >> 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 >> >> fax: (404) 223-1312 >> >> mobile: >> > http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(4 >> 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 >> >> www.taylor-architecture.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 19:40:47 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:40:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: <0f5101c9773f$4794d130$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <496FC7C0.8060102@verizon.net> <0fd901c9776e$d899b630$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <20090116024109.0B11618763E@autox.team.net> With rope made of hemp, of course. - Tony At 06:26 PM 1/15/2009, Bill Babcock wrote: >Societal cost is a justification created AFTER a freedom is taken >away. The real reason a freedom is taken away is that someone in power >doesn't like the choice. Remember Joan Claybrook? Her real reason for >all those regulations was that she was a joyless witch. > >Right now there's some birkenstock and drawstring pants wearing, >flatulent smug vegan Prius-driving socially conscious green weenie >that wants to crush your Triumph because he doesn't like the way you >have fun. I say we line them up behind the lawyers and shoot em both >with the same bullet. Save some societal cost. > >Just kidding of course. We should hang them instead of shooting them. > >On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Randall wrote: > >>>Nowadays, whenever I >>>ride, I wear boots, full leathers, and helmet. >> >>Perfectly reasonable. A friend of mine went so far as to show up at >>an >>anti-helmet-law rally wearing his helmet. When asked WTF, he >>replied "Being >>opposed to the law doesn't mean I'm stupid!" >> >>As I see it, these arguments devolve to whether "freedom" includes >>the right >>to do "stupid" things. Like ride without a helmet. Or ride at all >>for that >>matter. >> >>Or drive an old car without air bags, anti-lock brakes, side impact >>protection, crush zones, 5 mph bumpers etc etc. >> >>Randall - looking forward to driving a TR3 to work again without so >>much as >>seat belts retrofitted >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jan 15 20:09:27 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:09:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> After last year's loss of drivers, it got me thinking about my personal safety on the track. I consider myself a safe, alert, vintage racer mostly concerned about being "collected" by another driver(s) mistake. I've had a few close calls, barely missed by or missing spinning cars or avoiding someone's overly aggressive move into a corner. Lots of luck but also being aware of other cars, who's driving them and track position. As a result, I recently had my rollbar extended to include side door and under dash protection plus installation of a new, low-back seat so I could wear a HANS Device which I'll order here shortly. Yes, the upgrade costs are not cheap but I know I'll feel a bit more comfortable out on the track especially when there are guest drivers I'm not familiar racing with or heaven forbid, the unexpected mechanical failure induced accident. My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are "highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications. The club preaches safety at every opportunity and its had a positive impact for the most part. I see an increasing number of club members with HANS devices, a trend I expect to see continue. Gary 62 TR4 From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jan 15 20:41:10 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:41:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> References: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> By the way, you tolerate the safety equipment as a racer (I'd certainly be more comfortable in a tee shirt!), but you WEAR it for your loved ones. Same reason you ensure your roll bar is 2" over your head, you have roll bar accoutrements like Gary describes, you have good properly mounted belts, etc. Thought for the day... - Tony At 09:09 PM 1/15/2009, Gary Horstkorta wrote: >After last year's loss of drivers, it got me thinking about my personal >safety on the track. I consider myself a safe, alert, vintage racer mostly >concerned about being "collected" by another driver(s) mistake. I've had a >few close calls, barely missed by or missing spinning cars or avoiding >someone's overly aggressive move into a corner. Lots of luck but also being >aware of other cars, who's driving them and track position. As a result, I >recently had my rollbar extended to include side door and under dash >protection plus installation of a new, low-back seat so I could wear a HANS >Device which I'll order here shortly. Yes, the upgrade costs are not cheap >but I know I'll feel a bit more comfortable out on the track especially when >there are guest drivers I'm not familiar racing with or heaven forbid, the >unexpected mechanical failure induced accident. > > > >My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are >"highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications. The club >preaches safety at every opportunity and its had a positive impact for the >most part. I see an increasing number of club members with HANS devices, a >trend I expect to see continue. > > > >Gary > > > >62 TR4 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Jan 16 07:17:30 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HNR options In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here's a spreadsheet from another forum that compares various HNR systems. http://www.am-rennsport.com/HNR.html I've been using a Hutchinson Device for 3 years but since it's not SFI 38.1 compliant I guess it's time to upgrade. I'm thinking of the new Defender since it has better support in side collisions but I need to try one on first. mike From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Jan 16 08:29:26 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> References: <002f01c97787$d7d12cb0$87738610$@racer@comcast.net> <20090116034130.CCAF7187673@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I don't debate the usefulness of the HANS device. It's a great item, and I should have one and eventually probably will. That said, my car, and probably many of yours is unsafe at any speed and putting on all the upgrades suggested here would take me out for several seasons probably not just a race, in the meantime my prostate might explode and I would have missed a great deal of fun. "My local club, CSRG, does not mandate any safety devices, rather, they are>"highly recommended" due to insurance liability implications." I have sat through a host of meetings with the insurance companies discussing rates and other insurance issues. They insure the "safest" club at the same rate that the insure a club that doesn't require roll bars. When 9/11 happened vintage racing insurance rates increased by 30 percent to help pay for that. When someone dies at a vintage event, the rates stay fairly flat. Two pepole were killed at a vintage race a few years ago when their car flipped during the lunch time touring session. They were wearing neither the HANS device nor a roll bar. It would make sense to me to ban these activities altogether before requiring drivers to wear the HANS device. But that's the way we feed new people the vintage racing bug. I've witnessed lots of incidents of wrecks with guys in their street cars at driver's schools where they were just f'ing lucky. I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment on, he thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the guy who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. The statistics do certainly support this assertion as the clubs with the fewest incidents seem to be those with less restrictive safety rules. What am I up to 15 cents now?..................................Cheers Henry Morrison From wgrosenbach at juno.com Fri Jan 16 12:07:27 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> >>> Henry Morrison wrote: I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment on, he thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the guy who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give one to a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how minor, will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person that is told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will not be operated in the same fashion. In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a vehicle on the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything that can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do that. They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip the apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their way, and not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely safe world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co p=mss&ei=UTF-8 Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the sport, and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying not to race, and they are gone. Eat right, exercise, die anyway. Bill ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGYPzDYUwcmKJuda1YrpsGjTVpOPyE6AKnMfaS4aG1sVs/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 12:20:23 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:20:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. ~Steve From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 12:39:08 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:39:08 -1000 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <92B2FE46-4ADA-4C4C-9326-4ECF55E0AD30@bnj.com> That's an interesting perspective, and certainly logical. The only thing that doesn't bear up in my experience (which is certainly subjective, and unsupported by statistics available to me) is that the majority of nasty accidents seem to happen in the mid pack at vintage races. And Vintage cars generally don't have anything leading edge in their safety equipment. A mild steel rollcage constructed like those of the late 60's, shoulder belts, fire suit, a good helmet and maybe a HANs device. I'm sure you don't think that's anything like what saves lives in F1, or Indycars, or Nascar, or drag racing, or virtually any modern race car. Sure, the stuff isn't cheap, but by and large it's a long-term investment. Anyone that thinks this fairly minimal level of protection makes them invulnerable has a few screws loose to begin with. Or has never been in a serious racing accident in a vintage car and come away lucky--because that's really all it is. Nothing in my car or on my body saved me from being killed by that Corvette that T-boned me at Watkins Glen. Just luck. Didn't hit the wall until most of the speed had been scrubbed off. Didn't roll over while he was pushing me sideways. Just luck. The "keeps new people away from the sport" argument plays equally well with not letting people race a clapped out H prod rabbit in Vintage. I don't think the idea of vintage racing is to have the cheapest entry point available in racing. I think that's karts. On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: >>>> Henry Morrison wrote: > I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment > on, he > thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by > the > guy > who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. > > I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS > program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give > one to > a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how > minor, > will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person > that is > told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will > protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will > not be > operated in the same fashion. > > In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a > vehicle on > the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to > someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment > standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything > that > can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are > there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise > restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do > that. > They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip > the > apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They > know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is > that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their > way, and > not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely > safe > world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co > p=mss&ei=UTF-8 > > Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the > sport, > and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual > budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying > not > to race, and they are gone. > > Eat right, exercise, die anyway. > Bill From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:04:36 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <535AFE9FD174486EB3A6ED035492DF9F@Bud> looks like we're back to that 'Gray' area again...I guess it's all about respecting the other driver..not taking chances that are truly 'chances', etc...but then it can get kind of boring...It's very difficult to find a venue where vintage cars can really be driven to the limit....I've had experiences where I had to stay behind a slow car for waaay too long, because I could tell that the guy did not have a clue that I was there...I began a pass a couple of times, and he was ready to turn right into me..I backed off and resigned myself to the fact....The GOOD NEWS is...CSRG banned him PERMANENTLY..he had been a problem for quite some time...He wasn't Wild...just horribly inatentive....CSRG banned another guy 3 years ago..he was not wild either...he would do things like..point to the left...I passed him on the left, he ran me completely off the track...Why?..he was pointing to where he was going to go..no joke..A nice guy,,but his racing days had reached their limit...i'm pleased to say that CSRG will Not let just anyone race...We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "William G Rosenbach" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device >>>> Henry Morrison wrote: > I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety equipment > on, he > thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by the > guy > who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. > > I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS > program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give one to > a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how minor, > will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person that is > told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will > protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will not be > operated in the same fashion. > > In the real racing world, where a driver is paid to operate a vehicle on > the razor's edge at all times, where there is something tangible to > someone 'on-the-line' at all times; there are no safety equipment > standards that are too much. In Vintage Racing, even though anything that > can happen, could happen, there is nothing truly 'on-the-line', we are > there for fun, not glory & prizes; and should be able to exercise > restraint and good judgement. Still, there are those who cannot do that. > They are the folks who are certain that they and their car can clip the > apex of the hairpin flat in fourth having never lifted or braked. They > know who they are and should make the investment. Equally important is > that others know who the crazies are, so as to stay out of their way, and > not to get wound up with them. If we keep heading for the completely safe > world, we will soon be driving in 'Bear Proof Suits'. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bear+proof+suit&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&co > p=mss&ei=UTF-8 > > Mandating greater costs to racers keeps new people away from the sport, > and trying to keep up all the mandates can eat up some racers' annual > budget quickly, keeping them off track. A couple of years of paying not > to race, and they are gone. > > Eat right, exercise, die anyway. > Bill > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on getting a merchant account for your business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1RmGYPzDYUwcmKJuda1YrpsGjTVpOPyE6AKnMfaS4aG1sVs/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:07:55 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. > > To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any > chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car > has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one > running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety > equipment I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a > while. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Jan 16 13:14:05 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:05 EST Subject: [Fot] HANS Device Message-ID: In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild > I could follow the logic had you said, "We realize that SLOW can be as/more dangerous than FAST." But "WILD" adds another dimension. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From Billbab at mac.com Fri Jan 16 13:16:43 2009 From: Billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:16:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: HANS Device References: <92B2FE46-4ADA-4C4C-9326-4ECF55E0AD30@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1569CDFF-5163-4D80-A79E-AF78AA015F6C@mac.com> Not sure why, but this never came through Begin forwarded message: > From: Bill Babcock > Date: January 16, 2009 9:39:08 AM HST > To: William G Rosenbach > Cc: dos_gusanos at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > That's an interesting perspective, and certainly logical. The only > thing that doesn't bear up in my experience (which is certainly > subjective, and unsupported by statistics available to me) is that > the majority of nasty accidents seem to happen in the mid pack at > vintage races. And Vintage cars generally don't have anything > leading edge in their safety equipment. A mild steel rollcage > constructed like those of the late 60's, shoulder belts, fire suit, > a good helmet and maybe a HANs device. I'm sure you don't think > that's anything like what saves lives in F1, or Indycars, or Nascar, > or drag racing, or virtually any modern race car. > > Sure, the stuff isn't cheap, but by and large it's a long-term > investment. Anyone that thinks this fairly minimal level of > protection makes them invulnerable has a few screws loose to begin > with. Or has never been in a serious racing accident in a vintage > car and come away lucky--because that's really all it is. Nothing in > my car or on my body saved me from being killed by that Corvette > that T-boned me at Watkins Glen. Just luck. Didn't hit the wall > until most of the speed had been scrubbed off. Didn't roll over > while he was pushing me sideways. Just luck. > > The "keeps new people away from the sport" argument plays equally > well with not letting people race a clapped out H prod rabbit in > Vintage. I don't think the idea of vintage racing is to have the > cheapest entry point available in racing. I think that's karts. > > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, William G Rosenbach wrote: > >>>>> Henry Morrison wrote: >> I think that when you get a guy in a car with all the safety >> equipment >> on, he >> thinks he's bulletproof and will probably take chances not taken by >> the >> guy >> who is perhaps racing with a lap belt as his only safety device. >> >> I tend to agree with Henry. It was pointed out in, I believe a PBS >> program on automotive safety; if you take two identical cars, give >> one to >> a person who is told "anything you do in this car, no matter how >> minor, >> will kill or seriously injure you"; and the other car to a person >> that is >> told that "no matter what you do in this car, the safety systems will >> protect you from any injury in any situation"; those two cars will >> not be From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 16 13:20:54 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> Message-ID: <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> This is really good stuff. As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into you... Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. A. 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >> >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:31:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:31:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: Message-ID: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; dos_gusanos at msn.com ; wgrosenbach at juno.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device In a message dated 01/16/2009 2:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: We realize that slow can be as/more dangerous than wild I could follow the logic had you said, "We realize that SLOW can be as/more dangerous than FAST." But "WILD" adds another dimension. Bill Dentinger ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 13:38:30 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:38:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com><179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net><8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07EEDB3F8542429681F1D4C87636BF5C@Bud> If you are a new driver i recommend that you get the best and all of the safety stuff available...There's kind of a different mindset with those of us who have been doing this all of our lives...When I started in the 60's, I had all of the latest safety stuff....The more safety stuff you have..the more you can concentrate on your driving....this goes for car prep too...You do not want..in the back of your mind...a gnawing gremlin reminding you that you didn't fix something properly....remember..the cars are strained to their tensil limit.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > This is really good stuff. > > As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My > take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to > the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents > recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and > stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into > you... > > Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. > > A. > > > 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : >> I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook >> quite a >> bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn >> excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than >> ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" >> >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device >> >> >>> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >>> >>> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >>> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my >>> car >>> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little >>> one >>> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety >>> equipment >>> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >>> >>> ~Steve >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Jan 16 14:47:42 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:47:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? Message-ID: I think most of us can. Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? Mike From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Jan 16 14:54:23 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:54:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: $1000. Just about the price of one vintage race weekend. I didn't mind giving up one race in the beginning so I could race a lot more down the road. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:21 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device This is really good stuff. As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into you... Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. A. 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. >> >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 15:14:24 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group > buying special pricing? > Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Jan 16 15:38:43 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:38:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And tires were skinny and drivers were fat... HAHA! Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Munson To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Remember When? I think most of us can. Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? Mike _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 16 15:44:48 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:44:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B77D0CD04EA4AC3BE0C63AF5DCBBEEA@KasPC> I don't think so. I was 6'4" tall and weighed a solid 170 pounds soaking wet. I only remember one fat guy and he was dead slow in his Alfa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: ; Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Remember When? > And tires were skinny and drivers were fat... > > > HAHA! > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Munson > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] Remember When? > > > I think most of us can. > > > > Remember when sex was safe and racing was dangerous? > > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 16:03:43 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Andre, good point. The HANS sport will run around $700 and like Lunker said, probably no discount available. But that is cheap insurance. I considered one when I first started a couple years ago; bought one mid-August last year after Uncle Jack's accident and used it at he Glen for the first time. Feel more secure with it and the sliding tethers give you some movement for bretter visibility. I'll camp out at the track to save some bucks, actually enjoy it, but don't like to scrimp on safety items. By the way, get that car and join the fun! Stay warm, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > This is really good stuff. > > As a "future" vintage racer with a family and what not... My > take/position on the hans device is yeah another $1000 item to add to > the start up check list, but I've seen enough strange accidents > recently to think yep I'd want one. I'd hope I'd be a good driver and > stay out of trouble, but you can't help it if someone else bumps into > you... > > Call it the outsider who wants to be an insider's perspective. > > A. > > > 2009/1/16 RACER BUD : > > I remember when my 1st was born..1971...It changed my racing outlook quite a > > bit for a while...then when the kids were old enough to be pretty darn > > excited that 'dad's a race driver'..the racing became more fun than > > ever...Now my Grankids call me 'Racecar Grandpa' > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > > > To: "FOT" > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > > > > > >> Fortunately, I have the bucks this year to buy myself a Hans device. > >> > >> To Tony's point, I have a 10 month old son and don't want to take any > >> chances with an accidental frontal impact. In 35 years of racing, my car > >> has never had a frontal impact but I'm extra paranoid with my little one > >> running around the house. In the TR3, no matter how much safety equipment > >> I wear, I still feel exposed to potential danger once in a while. > >> > >> ~Steve > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 16:20:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:20:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux pas. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 16 16:39:51 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:39:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints References: Message-ID: What I was suggesting was that many of our vintage racing organizations have a lot of buying power, and can go straight to the manufacturer and twist their arms. I probably would have held back the mandatory requirement as a bargaining chip i.e. we'll go mandatory if you give our members XX% off. The cynical side of me thinks that there is also plenty of room for dollars to go the coffers of the clubs in exchange for a mandatory requirement. Then again that might be illegal too. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: "BOB KRAMER" Cc: "fot Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: >> >> Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group buying >> special pricing? >> > Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I > know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and any > dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one said he > could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 16 16:42:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:42:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32584D82-C7B4-4076-8195-09294A4C73A0@bnj.com> I doubt it, not if they are open about it. Probably wouldn't have to do that to gain from the transaction though. Being able to buy a HANs device for $200 off would be a powerful incentive to pay $50 to join a club. On Jan 16, 2009, at 1:39 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: > What I was suggesting was that many of our vintage racing > organizations have a lot of buying power, and can go straight to the > manufacturer and twist their arms. I probably would have held back > the mandatory requirement as a bargaining chip i.e. we'll go > mandatory if you give our members XX% off. The cynical side of me > thinks that there is also plenty of room for dollars to go the > coffers of the clubs in exchange for a mandatory requirement. Then > again that might be illegal too. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" > > To: "BOB KRAMER" > Cc: "fot Triumph" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints > > >> >> On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group >>> buying special pricing? >>> >> Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" >> I know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer >> and any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although >> one said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"]. >> >> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> TR4 #314 >> Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Jan 16 17:15:40 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:15:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <017401c97838$bb7c0a60$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Bill, good point, but why are gasoline prices always the same at the various different retailers? When one goes up a dime a gallon, they all go up a dime a gallon. (Yeah, I know, the oil companies operate under their own set of rules). Like the punchline for the old joke about the dog: "Just 'cause he can!" Later, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" Cc: "Andre Rousseau" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a minimum > price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the retailer might be > lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing to be a criminal > issue, not just some little business faux pas. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 16:46:01 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <06894F69-A80C-4552-93D1-4EBD68D94285@earthlink.net> Love my Mac but check out Apple for the same business practices. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a > minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the > retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing > to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux > pas._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Jan 16 16:46:01 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: References: <20090116.120731.3448.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com> <179B92B7-FE56-4740-8674-F4A37E883645@earthlink.net> <8D2327DB29FA423E90F766F0035D05B0@Bud> <4362ae390901161220q271054a9m6f597b4d797ec0d8@mail.gmail.com> <016c01c9782e$b00276b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <06894F69-A80C-4552-93D1-4EBD68D94285@earthlink.net> Love my Mac but check out Apple for the same business practices. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I'm no lawyer (how many goofy statements start like that?) but as I > recall it's a big no-no for a manufacturer to try to enforce a > minimum price, never mind prohibit discounts. Of course the > retailer might be lying to you, but the FTC considers price fixing > to be a criminal issue, not just some little business faux > pas._______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Jan 16 17:35:42 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:35:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There can't be $300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry Morrison> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:14:24 -0700> To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA to require head and neck restraints> > On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:23 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote:> >> > Has anyone approached the suppliers as an organization for group > > buying special pricing?> >> Great idea Bob... So I tried with 2 different "authorized dealers" I > know. No dice in any quantity. Prices are set by the manufacturer and > any dealer that discounts is likely lose the account [although one > said he could "maybe knock $25-30 off for you"].> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jan 16 19:02:58 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device In-Reply-To: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> References: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> Message-ID: <8CB465EDACB34F4-A00-27@WEBMAIL-DG15.sim.aol.com> <<< I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' ... Racer Bud Absolutely! 11/10ths. Works for me. Bill From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:09:47 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] HANS Device References: <4E3C69CBD54C471E9F3B25CF0639FDC5@Bud> <8CB465EDACB34F4-A00-27@WEBMAIL-DG15.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <416AE1B0D95249F19F380E5FF75C3DBD@Bud> You bet Bill..there's nothing like this racing Family Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] HANS Device > <<< I'll change the words from Wild to 'Over the Edge' ... > Racer Bud > > Absolutely! 11/10ths. Works for me. > > Bill From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jan 16 20:18:06 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... - Tony D At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There can't be >$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >Morrison From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:23:51 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:23:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9A56CB3B49D0405EB2B3A783365CBDF5@Bud> I bought my transponder from CSRG in 2001 or 2002..The club got a deal by buying a batch...I paid about 225-250..CSRG does not require transponders, but if a race car does not have one, he simply gets no recorded times , and the results show that racer at the back . with the rest of the 'Un'electronicites'......more to follow Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in > on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back > in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... > > - Tony D > > At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There >>can't be >>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 20:37:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:37:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> When i began racing..in the late 1960s...we operated on an honor system.....Our pit crews took our lap times with stop watches..and turned those times into the SCCA people...That made up the grid...If a guy lied...It all came out in the wash...It did not matter what the fastest lap time was in the race...It was..Who won the race......I would like this stuff to be TOTALLY PERIOD CORRECT...We don't need any Electronic stuff......In CSRG we have lots of racers who race without transponders....Let's Just Race! Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I got in > on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like $240. This was back > in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... > > - Tony D > > At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB transponders. There >>can't be >>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jan 16 21:11:01 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:11:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans now Transponders In-Reply-To: <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> References: <20090117031830.434CD187665@autox.team.net> <438C136179FF4DFCA3452C3088A8D9BD@Bud> Message-ID: <20090117041126.19B971878BB@autox.team.net> I was old enough to work the SCCA timing stand in the 70's. Worked my way up to 3 or 4 cars simultaneously, analog watches with the split hand, really wished hard for a calculator that would do "time math" (lessee, that's carry the 6?). Hard work (especially lap 1 when they are all bunched), hard to not make mistakes, lots of workers needed. Totally eliminated by transponders and a computer with the right software. There are now races where I may have no pit crew so I'd have to time the car WHILE DRIVING if we went back to the honor system. I agree - Lets just race! :) - Tony D At 09:37 PM 1/16/2009, RACER BUD wrote: >When i began racing..in the late 1960s...we operated on an honor >system.....Our pit crews took our lap times with stop watches..and >turned those times into the SCCA people...That made up the grid...If >a guy lied...It all came out in the wash...It did not matter what >the fastest lap time was in the race...It was..Who won the >race......I would like this stuff to be TOTALLY PERIOD CORRECT...We >don't need any Electronic stuff......In CSRG we have lots of racers >who race without transponders....Let's Just Race! >Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans now Transponders > > >>Back when Transponders were being required by the vintage clubs, I >>got in on a Florida SCCA deal and got the wired one for like >>$240. This was back in 2002, I think. So, it has been done... >> >>- Tony D >> >>At 06:35 PM 1/16/2009, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: >>>Maybe someone could get a club deal on say, AMB >>>transponders. There can't be >>>$300 worth of stuff tucked in that little red box.................Henry >>>Morrison >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 17 08:35:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? Message-ID: <000601c978b9$3e6db5b0$6501a8c0@HP> cars were driven to the track with the family, disassembled (windshield and passenger seat) and prepped in the parking lot, safety equipment was an aircraft lap belt and an open face helmet and $1000 (todays weekend cost) was 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the car... and I'll bet they had every bit as much fun... From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 17 09:42:57 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] new rules help Message-ID: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, Lets assume that big brother is once again going to interfere in our lives and there is nothing we can do about it.... off soap box now.... At one point in these notes I saw something about a collar that could be worn with a high or low back seat... I know nothing about these things other than that I have been trying (financially) to get back on track for two years now, and its another thousand or so out of my pocket. If somehow I come up with the money, what do I need to know about these things... my seat is a high plastic seat, do I need to replace the seat also? I need (now) to replace belts every two years (the last two years havent even seen a race on mine) ... will the hans device turn into the same thing? Someone said the mounts can be put on an existing helmet... by whom?, at what cost and time frame? Also it was said get sliding tethers (sounded like a good idea) ... any other input? What do the tethers hook to and how? roll bar? seat? seat belts? ??? modifications to the car? I'm totally in the dark here. I've found myself having less fun at the track than I used to, as it is ... IF and its a big IF I try to get back this year, how do I do this without additional heartache? Also, I've heard that there is a good lumbar support unit being made for race seats... anyone know anything about it ... recent back problems will probably warrent this so I can sit in the car comfortably... Any help appreciated.. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jan 17 09:59:16 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:59:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Remember When? References: <000601c978b9$3e6db5b0$6501a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <69CE033B46F04D138BB2F66BDFA7FDCF@Bud> My first racecar was a fully prepared..nice looking and fast Fprod MGA which I paid 800.00 for in 1968 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Remember When? > cars were driven to the track with the family, disassembled (windshield > and > passenger seat) and prepped in the parking lot, safety equipment was an > aircraft lap belt and an open face helmet and $1000 (todays weekend cost) > was > 1/3 to 1/2 the price of the car... and I'll bet they had every bit as much > fun... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 17 10:02:18 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:02:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] new rules help In-Reply-To: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <882704.92421.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5BAD3246-DEAF-4D60-8DE1-6B7B26DFDEC2@bnj.com> First, most vintage clubs do NOT require a HANS device, they just recommend it. SVRA is the first I've heard of that is even considering a requirement. If you get one, it won't interfere with your seat. My seat is also high-backed and I don't notice any interference. You can put the mounts on yourself, though most people who sell HANS have been through training to install the mounts. It takes about 15 minutes to do, if you buy one trackside (as I did) the vendor can usually do it while you wait or while you watch a race. I think all the new HANS have sliding tethers. Guys who bought early can get them modified for the cost of a new set of straps (as I recall, about $20 ) The tethers hook to your helmet, the Hans device goes behind your head and over your shoulders, fastened in place by your seat belts. No modifications necessary. Best lumbar support I've found you make yourself. Get some TAP two part foam and a couple of garbage bags. Mix up a cup each of foam and hardener, dump it in the bag, tape the bag to the top of the back of your seat so the bag reaches to the bottom of the seat. Sit down and wait for the foam to swell and then harden. You can use it as is or cover it with duct tape. Be careful not to let the foam escape the bag--messy stuff. I double bag and use smaller amounts of foam in little steps and I still have sticky stuff on my rear firewall. All the best Tom, I hope everything works out for you and you start having a great time a the track again. On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:42 AM, tom strange wrote: > Okay, > Lets assume that big brother is once again going to interfere in > our lives > and there is nothing we can do about it.... off soap box now.... > At one point in these notes I saw something about a collar that > could be > worn with a high or low back seat... > I know nothing about these things other than that I have been trying > (financially) to get back on track for two years now, and its > another thousand > or so out of my pocket. > If somehow I come up with the money, what do I need to know about > these > things... my seat is a high plastic seat, do I need to replace the > seat > also? I need (now) to replace belts every two years (the last two > years > havent even seen a race on mine) ... will the hans device turn into > the same > thing? > Someone said the mounts can be put on an existing helmet... by > whom?, at > what cost and time frame? > Also it was said get sliding tethers (sounded like a good idea) ... > any > other input? > What do the tethers hook to and how? roll bar? seat? seat > belts? ??? > modifications to the car? > I'm totally in the dark here. I've found myself having less fun at > the > track than I used to, as it is ... IF and its a big IF I try to get > back this > year, how do I do this without additional heartache? > > Also, I've heard that there is a good lumbar support unit being > made for > race seats... anyone know anything about it ... recent back problems > will > probably warrent this so I can sit in the car comfortably... > > Any help appreciated.. > > Tom > > http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm > > > #4 white spitfire > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From stlnyc at msn.com Sat Jan 17 18:44:47 2009 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:44:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Calling John Lye Message-ID: John- Please contact me off list. Fred Hodgson From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jan 18 20:38:49 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] alloy drive shaft Message-ID: <8CB47FE9333789C-104-1E84@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> Amici Spit/GT6 Racers, Question, anyone running an aluminum drive shaft, if so where did you have it made? Sincerely, Bob Totten '64 Spit GT autocrosser '63 Spit street From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 09:17:29 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:17:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: Steve, Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking about. I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I tow a light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). The bike provides transportation after the car has gone through its conversion. Some of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. It takes a couple of hours to unload the bike, unhook the trailer, remove the windshield, wipers, change tires and crank that cantankerous Triple. Not much time difference from the conventional set-up. But it's the compromise on the track that is the challenge. I faithfully shift at 5K; not because I want to but because I also need to drive home. The car still has lights, turn signals, horn, roll-up windows and heater; read heavy. The car also has a mild cam, intermediate compression and the tall rear-end w/OD. The engine dyno'd 125 hp at the flywheel with an in-line pickle muffler. A straight-pipe @ 5K showed < 1hp gain; a reasonable price to pay for no-roar hassle. Consequently racing is one continuous study of inertia control. If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin Commander with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. On the brighter side, in the last 28 races I've had but one DNF. VIR to Atlanta, on-the-hook, costs about the same as a Hans Device. AAA paid 1/3 of it. In fine, driving your car to the race ain't for everybody. If you're a fearless, steely eyed, fire-in-the-belly racer, forget it. But if you can find satisfaction back there in the pack squeezing everything that can be squeezed out of the car you've built, no matter how imperfectly, it's an option. But you will study more than your share of taillights and you will forever wonder what the hell you were thinking about. Richard Taylor To: Steven Belfer; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal Compromises on both sides of course. I plan to do this with the AMBRO. It may not see much action in either venue, but it has an appeal to me to have the choice. Joe >Are any of your race cars street legal? > >I have considered modifying my car to make it street legal for an >OCCASIONAL drive. I probably won't do it because the thought of some >driver in a Escalade with video screens on the cell phone might be my >demise. I'm more afraid of that than turn 9 at Willow Springs. > >If you have gone "streetable" with a former race car, what are your >experiences or recommendations? > >If I did it, I'd have to do the following: Raise the ride height, bad >idea for a race car > >Put in an alternator, lights and a horn: No big deal > >Use milder cyl head or thicker HG for less compression / pump gas > >Muffler: Supertrapp? > >Title! My car has no title but I have the ID plates from a scrapped >TR3. > >This is probably a bad idea. I know my dad wouldn't like it but it's >killing me to only enjoy being in the car a few times per year. > >What would they look at at the DMV? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:06:32 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR3-VINTAGE-RACE-CAR-SCCA_W0QQitemZ33 0301822757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item NFI Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:08:31 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is item 330301822757 Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: January 19, 2009 12:07 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR3 Racer http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR3-VINTAGE-RACE-CAR-SCCA_W0QQitemZ33 0301822757QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZView Item NFI Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 10:10:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:10:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <0CA0461A-F7D8-4C88-8C25-559B487DEC63@bnj.com> Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Steve, > > Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the > symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking > about. > > I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I > tow a > light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). > The bike > provides transportation after the car has gone through its > conversion. Some > of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 19 10:16:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:16:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <0CA0461A-F7D8-4C88-8C25-559B487DEC63@bnj.com> Message-ID: <66FF690D62674572867E2FC54679EE63@Bud> not in a Triumph I hope...Maybe a Citroen or a Facel Vega Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Richard Taylor" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take > transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the >> symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking >> about. >> >> I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I >> tow a >> light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). >> The bike >> provides transportation after the car has gone through its >> conversion. Some >> of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Jan 19 10:18:07 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <66FF690D62674572867E2FC54679EE63@Bud> Message-ID: Or maybe a Muntz Jet... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 19, 2009 12:17 PM To: Bill Babcock; Richard Taylor Cc: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal not in a Triumph I hope...Maybe a Citroen or a Facel Vega Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Richard Taylor" Cc: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > Is this some round about way to tell us that you also take > transvestites to symphonies? Not that there's anything wrong with that. > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Driving a street-able race car is like taking a transvestite to the >> symphony. You're forever wondering what the hell you were thinking >> about. >> >> I drive my TR-4 both to the track and on the street. To the races I >> tow a >> light trailer with Hoosiers, tools & motorcycle (Triumph Trident). >> The bike >> provides transportation after the car has gone through its >> conversion. Some >> of these junkets are 750 miles or more; it's called grueling. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon Jan 19 11:36:36 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. That and the one wheel bunny hop down the runway made quite a impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing his stuff? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jan 19 11:41:03 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:41:03 EST Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From spitlist at cox.net Mon Jan 19 11:47:28 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:47:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from accumulating and restricting air flow. The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the lens clear is a possibility. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:41 AM To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; tarch at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 11:51:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:51:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <817A75F7-7B98-4CAA-8EC3-DE191A6BF4EC@bnj.com> Bob Hoover is still alive I think, but he got his US ticket pulled in the '90's by some punks at the FAA who were trying to push a mandatory retirement age issue unrelated to medical fitness. He did finally get it back, but I doubt he does much flying now, he has to be pushing 90. I saw him fly P51's and commuter planes in airshows. Amazing control. A bona fide all american hero. Buddy of Chuck Yeager, broke out of WWII german prison camp, stole a plane and made it to the Netherlands. There must be a biography of him somewhere. If not, there darned sure should be. What a life!! On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, > Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > > >> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >> > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both > engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. > > Bill (Damdinger) From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Jan 19 11:59:23 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> Message-ID: <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. > >Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >accumulating and restricting air flow. > >The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >lens clear is a possibility. > >Joe C. The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. j -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 12:08:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:08:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> Message-ID: <2F739B54-AD01-4587-AC40-B267A528166B@bnj.com> Actually big turbofan engines can usually digest birds quite nicely, The first stage fan blends them into a nice paste and slings them to the outside of the fan disk and out the bypass ports. It takes a lot of birds to have some get into the compressor blades, and even then they are goo. It's just that if you get enough goo it overwhelms the engine. Must have been a lot of geese. There isn't any practical way to screen a turbofan, the air intake rate at take off is ginormous. Air velocity at the entry point of the fan is 10,000 meters/sec or more. Exit velocity of a GE turbofan is 115-130,000 meters/sec. On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have > figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. > > Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris > from > accumulating and restricting air flow. > > The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to > keep the > lens clear is a possibility. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:41 AM > To: Lunkercars at earthlink.net; tarch at bellsouth.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, > Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: > > >> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >> > That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both > engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > > ************** > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's > capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jan 19 12:10:24 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:10:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: f=1/2mv^2 Mass of bird = 5kilos Velocity = 300km/hr f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J which is 53,776 Calories 165951 ft pounds force 213 BTU's Alot any way you slice it. Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level physics. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: > >> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >> >> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >> accumulating and restricting air flow. >> >> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >> lens clear is a possibility. >> >> Joe C. >> > > The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge > windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved > fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between > destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound > bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. > > j > > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Jan 19 12:14:31 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:14:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium> <0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <97EA90E0-B052-4AC1-9CBF-B86492B1CD6E@bnj.com> By the time they get into the shroud they're probably going faster, a lot of acceleration in that last few feet. I wonder what's going through the goose's mind at that moment. Reminds me of this joke: What's the last thing going through a junebug's brain when he hits your face shield? His ass. On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:10 AM, robert bownes wrote: > f=1/2mv^2 > > Mass of bird = 5kilos > Velocity = 300km/hr > > f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J > > which is > 53,776 Calories > 165951 ft pounds force > 213 BTU's > > > Alot any way you slice it. > > > Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A > level > physics. > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall > wrote: > >> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would >>> have >>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>> >>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep >>> debris from >>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>> >>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to >>> keep the >>> lens clear is a possibility. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >> >> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex >> revolved >> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference >> between >> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a >> 10 pound >> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run >> the math. >> >> j >> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 19 12:32:58 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium><0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert bownes Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM To: J.C. Hassall; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal f=1/2mv^2 Mass of bird = 5kilos Velocity = 300km/hr f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J which is 53,776 Calories 165951 ft pounds force 213 BTU's Alot any way you slice it. Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level physics. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: > >> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >> >> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >> accumulating and restricting air flow. >> >> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >> lens clear is a possibility. >> >> Joe C. >> > > The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge > windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved > fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between > destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound > bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the math. > > j > > > -- > J.C. Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 16:37:52 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:37:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal Message-ID: <52D0C8B6.20C86368.00159EE9@cs.com> Hoover went to Australia and got his license so he could continue to fly airshows. Age is an arbitary benchmark for making policy. Wiry little shit with eyes like an eagle. kinda like Yeager. These guys are in a category by himself/ age doesnt seem to have much to do with it. >Bob Hoover is still alive I think, but he got his US ticket pulled in >the '90's by some punks at the FAA who were trying to push a mandatory >retirement age issue unrelated to medical fitness. He did finally get >it back, but I doubt he does much flying now, he has to be pushing 90. >I saw him fly P51's and commuter planes in airshows. Amazing control. >A bona fide all american hero. Buddy of Chuck Yeager, broke out of >WWII german prison camp, stole a plane and made it to the Netherlands. >There must be a biography of him somewhere. If not, there darned sure >should be. What a life!! > >On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:41 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 01/19/2009 12:37:19 PM Central Standard Time, >> Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: >> >> >>> If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin >>>> Commander > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture. >>> >> That's sure a word picture these days. Last week an airplane got both >> engines feathered and ended up in the Hudson. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Jan 19 17:09:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:09:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Message-ID: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's >Hallett 1982 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Jan 19 19:00:14 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:00:14 EST Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Message-ID: Who's in the #72 TR6 that flashes by? I recognize the livery... **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Jan 19 19:02:37 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:02:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint scheme. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's >Hallett 1982 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Jan 19 19:10:39 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:10:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> References: <000201c97a66$60d933f0$0402a8c0@joenewpentium><0KDQ00KW5F36XK82@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <351E4DE2B66E4818B3FFDE2CD27F9DE7@richardiipc> Message-ID: <4975329F.3030502@verizon.net> It's not just ingestion into the engines that make bird strikes dangerous. Years ago I worked on the B-1B program and we had a ship go down in Colorado on a low level training mission. A pelican, that's right a pelican in Colorado, struck the joint between the engine nacelle and the wing, penetrated the nacelle and took out fuel and hydraulic lines. The result was fire, loss of thrust and control authority. All of this at 500mph and about 500ft. The four crewman ejected safely but there were two instructor/observers on board in jump seats. They didn't have time to get out. The vulnerable area the bird hit was only about 4 inches high and covered by a thin aerodynamic fairing. A true case of a golden BB. As a result there was a mod implemented where they put a rigid deflector behind the aerodynamic fairing. Richard Taylor wrote: > I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the > velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of robert bownes > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM > To: J.C. Hassall; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal > > f=1/2mv^2 > > Mass of bird = 5kilos > Velocity = 300km/hr > > f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J > > which is > 53,776 Calories > 165951 ft pounds force > 213 BTU's > > > Alot any way you slice it. > > > Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level > physics. > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall > wrote: > > >> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >> >> >>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>> >>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>> >>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >>> lens clear is a possibility. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> >>> >> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved >> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between >> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound >> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the >> > math. > >> j >> >> >> -- >> J.C. Hassall >> Blacksburg VA >> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:07:59 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bird Avoidance Systems Message-ID: <6D04919F.0398B7D4.00159EE9@cs.com> As you might expect, the military has conducted extensive studies on BIRD AVOIDANCE in flight operations. One of your FOT has been involved in those studies, with an office in the Air Force Academy. Those studies are easily justified when compared to the cost of equipment and pilot training. Joe >It's not just ingestion into the engines that make bird strikes >dangerous. Years ago I worked on the B-1B program and we had a ship go >down in Colorado on a low level training mission. A pelican, that's >right a pelican in Colorado, struck the joint between the engine nacelle >and the wing, penetrated the nacelle and took out fuel and hydraulic >lines. The result was fire, loss of thrust and control authority. All of >this at 500mph and about 500ft. The four crewman ejected safely but >there were two instructor/observers on board in jump seats. They didn't >have time to get out. The vulnerable area the bird hit was only about 4 >inches high and covered by a thin aerodynamic fairing. A true case of a >golden BB. As a result there was a mod implemented where they put a >rigid deflector behind the aerodynamic fairing. > >Richard Taylor wrote: >> I think you have not touched on the big numbers. You have to add the >> velocity of the turbine blades turning at who-knows-what supersonic speed. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of robert bownes >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM >> To: J.C. Hassall; FOT >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal >> >> f=1/2mv^2 >> >> Mass of bird = 5kilos >> Velocity = 300km/hr >> >> f=.5(5)300^2 = 225,000J >> >> which is >> 53,776 Calories >> 165951 ft pounds force >> 213 BTU's >> >> >> Alot any way you slice it. >> >> >> Bob, who 30 years later, still remembered all that nonesense from A level >> physics. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:59 PM, J.C. Hassall >> wrote: >> >> >>> At 01:47 PM 1/19/2009, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You'd think that after all these years, Aircraft engineers would have >>>> figured out how to prevent debris from entering the engines. >>>> >>>> Something like a screen that can somehow clean itslf to keep debris from >>>> accumulating and restricting air flow. >>>> >>>> The revolving clear plastic cover that the F1 car cameras use to keep the >>>> lens clear is a possibility. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> >>>> >>> The Brits pioneered a revolving "window" in front of destroyer bridge >>> windows ("portals"?, I'm an Army guy) during WWII. The perspex revolved >>> fast enough to spin off water. But there's a world of difference between >>> destroyer full chat and jet aircraft speeds. ISTR reading that a 10 pound >>> bird packs 10K of force at 200 MPH. If I weren't so lazy I'd run the >>> >> math. >> >>> j >>> >>> >>> -- >>> J.C. Hassall >>> Blacksburg VA >>> '63 TR4 in autox preparation >>> 96% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:14:25 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER Message-ID: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> What is the name of the company in California? Thanks, Joe From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Jan 19 20:28:59 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:28:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: http://www.rockerarms.com/ Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:14 PM To: koblinger at verizon.net Cc: "'FOT'" Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER What is the name of the company in California? Thanks, Joe Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009 9:37 AM From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 19 20:30:55 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. mjb. http://www.dimebank.com/monster From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jan 19 20:29:42 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM SPECIALISTS rockerarms.com Message-ID: <40E8FC05.0E03360B.00159EE9@cs.com> got it! From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jan 19 20:33:51 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:33:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: > I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint > scheme. Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) > Mike rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Jan 19 21:11:53 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 References: Message-ID: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a picture and blurb. http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has asked me to check on a possible FOT event. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: > >> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >> scheme. > > Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) > >> Mike > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 19 21:55:42 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:55:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes, I remember seeing him in his yellow P-51 in Idaho Falls....................................Henry Morrison> From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700> To: tarch at bellsouth.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal> > On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:> > >> > If you ever saw Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander> > with both engines feathered, you'll get the picture.> > That and the one wheel bunny hop down the runway made quite a > impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing his stuff?> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Jan 19 22:13:14 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:13:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Legal In-Reply-To: References: <3FBE8B6A.34E2020C.00159EE9@cs.com> <84A23F11-6777-466B-9CA4-861170560792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49755D6A.6080703@dfn.com> dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: > Yes, I remember seeing him in his yellow P-51 in Idaho > No longer. His license was revoked because of health reasons. He appealed, and eventually got it back, but, by that time, the damage had been done--couldn't get insurance--he is, after all, now 86. The Shrike Aero Commander he flew in air shows is now at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover Last time I saw him fly was 1993. Cheers. > Falls....................................Henry Morrison> From: > Lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:36:36 -0700> To: > tarch at bellsouth.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Street Legal> > >> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:> > >> > If you ever saw >> > Bob Hoover fly his aerobatic air show in his Twin > > Commander> > with both > engines feathered, you'll get the picture.> > That and the one wheel bunny hop > down the runway made quite a > impression on me as a kid. Is he still doing > his stuff?> > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerque NM> > -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From VANDECARR at aol.com Tue Jan 20 08:39:08 2009 From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:39:08 EST Subject: [Fot] alloy drive shaft Message-ID: I had an aluminum driveshaft made for my V8 powered Triumph from Inland Driveshafts (http://www.iedls.com/driveshafts.html). At the time I was running the Triumph Dif, I sent them the TR flange and they made a driveshaft flange that was a perfect fit. After 1 season I put a race motor in and changed to a BMW dif. Kept the drivedshaft and just had them make a new flange. Price was reasonable and the best thing is that it comes with HD u-joints. I have been putting about 400 hp and almost 400 ftlbs of torque to it for over 4 years and no problems. Dean VanDeCarr ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jan 20 08:41:41 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:41:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Does anyone know of a non-roller rocker arm for a TR6 which is stock appearing and will give a higher ratio than the stock rocker arm. Seems to me I heard of one somewhere once. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER > Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: > > http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm > > Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. > > mjb. > > http://www.dimebank.com/monster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jan 20 14:08:44 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:08:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 References: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- Midwest Division driver. He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. PLN beat Art Pasmas of Denver, Colo., to win GT1 and 1st o/a by 5.87 seconds, and set a new GT1 track record of 1:22.70 (that record today is down to 1:15.5) --Rocky Entriken (MiDiv Pointskeeper) ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a > picture and blurb. > > http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ > > Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has asked > me to check on a possible FOT event. > > Bob Kramer, Austin Texas > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Lang" > To: "Mike Munson" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > > >> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: >> >>> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >>> scheme. >> >> Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) >> >>> Mike From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jan 20 14:18:11 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> References: <918B8C8296B74EB0A99AB89D2C613513@DadsComputer> <8E3D49C30CB74BF9B5F0544B51184242@rocky> Message-ID: Might have been Dennis not Jim Ray, but it was still my original car. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "BOB KRAMER" ; "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- > Midwest Division driver. > > He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. > > PLN beat Art Pasmas of Denver, Colo., to win GT1 and 1st o/a by 5.87 > seconds, and set a new GT1 track record of 1:22.70 (that record today is > down to 1:15.5) > > --Rocky Entriken (MiDiv Pointskeeper) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BOB KRAMER" > To: "Robert Lang" ; "Mike Munson" > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 > > >> That would probably be Jim Ray of Houston. See the attached link for a >> picture and blurb. >> >> http://www.britishcarlinks.com/ >> >> Anyone interested in coming back to Hallett in Spring 2010? CVAR has >> asked me to check on a possible FOT event. >> >> Bob Kramer, Austin Texas >> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Lang" >> To: "Mike Munson" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 >> >> >>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Mike Munson wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint >>>> scheme. >>> >>> Rod Kent? He was from the swdiv (AZ somewhere, ISTR) >>> >>>> Mike > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jan 20 14:36:42 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:36:42 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Hallett 1982 Message-ID: **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=D ecemailfooterNO62) Return-path: From: BillDentin at aol.com Full-name: BillDentin Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:16:53 EST Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982 To: rocky at spitfire4.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10721 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 01/20/2009 3:09:31 PM Central Standard Time, rocky at spitfire4.com writes: > Wrong guesses, both of you. #72 was Dennis Wilson from St. Louis -- Midwest > > Division driver. > > He won DP that day (June 20, 1982). I have the results on file. > Denny still races some vintage. I see him, now and again, at VSCDA events in a very fast Lotus VII. His dad, Pop Wilson, was an early TRIUMPH dealer, and a hoot to boot. I used to see Pop at GATEWAY when Joe Marchetti ran a couple of GATEWAY HISTORIC RACES vintage events many years ago. Bill Dentinger ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From atr6racer at hotmail.com Tue Jan 20 14:53:20 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982 In-Reply-To: References: <20090120001414.12AC7187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: It's Dennis Wilson. And yes, it is kas' old car, now in the hands of Jack Madison and me. Sam Halkias> From: fasttrs at mindspring.com> To: dave at microworks.net; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:02:37 -0600> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett 1982> > I wonder who was driving the # 72 TR6. It looked like a Kastner paint> scheme.> > Mike> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On> Behalf Of David W. Riddle> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 PM> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Hallett 1982> > Cool Video. PLN in his Datsun along with some TR4's> > > >Hallett 1982> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s8_fXQbD4Q> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009> 9:37 AM> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_01200 9 From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jan 20 17:41:05 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:41:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: More Vintage Racing in Oklahoma Message-ID: <49766F21.5090502@pobox.com> 1977 Ponca City this time. John Lee races with CVAR. Apparently, his brother was driving the TR4. 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=oRznXCM6DIxC/+RV3vSlP8BKYy/mgQA31gPWIp5OvxMdHVVPawgMlE7aBvEtrf7amL4RijiyNdYAkl2zyBARL60yt9vOEMx3l1fm7bqqm4HLOH6UmGhNNFRiA83mVIhv; Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.85] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 17090293-m2777 X-Sender: texwebs at yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98142 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 20:51:10 -0000 To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.184.115.128 From: "texwebs" X-Yahoo-Profile: texwebs Sender: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list cvar_general at yahoogroups.com; contact cvar_general-owner at yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list cvar_general at yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:51:08 -0000 Subject: [cvar_general] The good old days Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Video (8mm film) of my brother and I at Ponca City Grand Prix. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3EFnBYxCRE From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 07:35:40 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:35:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Message-ID: If I would follow your idea I would overbore the bushing bore and set a new bushing which is offset honed. I think you can get 1mm out of it. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Charly Mitchel Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 16:42 An: Mark J Bradakis; 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER Does anyone know of a non-roller rocker arm for a TR6 which is stock appearing and will give a higher ratio than the stock rocker arm. Seems to me I heard of one somewhere once. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER > Rocker Arm Specialties, as mentioned in the Monster list: > > http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm > > Oddly enough, this supplier was a recent topic in the MG-T list. > > mjb. > > http://www.dimebank.com/monster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jan 21 08:12:03 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:12:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> Message-ID: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> MadMarx wrote: > If I would follow your idea I would overbore the bushing bore and set a new > bushing which is offset honed. > I think you can get 1mm out of it. > > This will work, but, it's not the best method. The rocker shaft and valve positions are fixed. For the optimum rocker nose contact with the valve stem head, the distance between the rocker bore center and the contact point of the nose should also remain fixed. There's also the additional problem of weakening the stock rocker by additional boring. Ideally, the ratio should be increased by decreasing the bore center to pushrod point, because that end of the rocker is made to operate with some misalignment. This could be accomplished by overdrilling, rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. The same proviso about weakening the rocker at a stress point still applies. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From paulking at charter.net Wed Jan 21 09:31:53 2009 From: paulking at charter.net (Paul King) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring Message-ID: <01C275E3047E452C9FFDE9A8A79283DF@OFFICEDESKTOP> GT6/Spitfire racers, After running a 5 leaf rear spring (a swing spring on a recommendation from the source of my front coil-over units), I've decided I need a higher rate spring. I believe my current spring to be 110 lb. at the wheel (Spit swing spring). It's great in the wet, but that's about it. Any suggestions on what stock springs (Spit 7 leaf?) have worked, or should I just go the custom route? Thanks! Paul King '72 GT6 Mk3 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 21 10:20:32 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:20:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com><7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> Message-ID: <00a501c97bec$914e35d0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > This could be accomplished by overdrilling, > rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then > drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. Seems to me that it wouldn't be any harder to move the shaft center. Randall From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 21 10:26:52 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <01C275E3047E452C9FFDE9A8A79283DF@OFFICEDESKTOP> Message-ID: <20090121172652.OHLU8485.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> First off, I am wondering why you are running a Spit Swing Spring. That product inherently makes the suspension softer and induces a lot of body roll. What I did to increase the spring rate in my former autocross car (that had Rotoflex rear suspension) was to add a leaf to the stack. The leaf was much stiffer than any of the ones that were previously there and added the required stiffness. I had to remove one of the shorter leaves in order to maintain the original thickness of the stack. Now, that will not work with a Swing-spring setup because of the bend in all but the main leaf. So this is another reason to lose that swing-spring setup. Joe C. P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But again it is not "Swing-Spring" -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul King Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:32 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring GT6/Spitfire racers, After running a 5 leaf rear spring (a swing spring on a recommendation from the source of my front coil-over units), I've decided I need a higher rate spring. I believe my current spring to be 110 lb. at the wheel (Spit swing spring). It's great in the wet, but that's about it. Any suggestions on what stock springs (Spit 7 leaf?) have worked, or should I just go the custom route? Thanks! Paul King '72 GT6 Mk3 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From herald948 at aol.com Wed Jan 21 13:23:42 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <20090121172652.OHLU8485.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <8CB4A1D49C553C0-1364-BE4@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But again it is not "Swing-Spring" ==AM== Joe, you're thinking of the spring for the Herald Courier van. It's very, very stiff (I can probably find rates in my books at home), and it has less of an arch in "static" condition than do most other Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire/GT6 springs. It might almost be overkill for a GT6, but I think the concept actually was not unlike what the factory used for the various "Works" Spitfires. A vendor in the UK had commissioned a new run of the Courier spring last year, but I believe he's sold out at the moment. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Jan 21 13:28:54 2009 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:28:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear Spring In-Reply-To: <8CB4A1D49C553C0-1364-BE4@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In the good old days you could order a competition spring from the factory. I loved those V parts. I still have many on Zippy. On 1/21/09 2:23 PM, "Andrew Mace" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Curry > > P.S. There is a Herald Spring that I believe was made for an estate wagon > that is much stiffer than the normal spring that is also a possibility. But > again it is not "Swing-Spring" > > > > ==AM== > Joe, you're thinking of the spring for the Herald Courier van. It's very, very > stiff (I can probably find rates in my books at home), and it has less of an > arch in "static" condition than do most other Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire/GT6 > springs. It might almost be overkill for a GT6, but I think the concept > actually was not unlike what the factory used for the various "Works" > Spitfires. > > A vendor in the UK had commissioned a new run of the Courier spring last year, > but I believe he's sold out at the moment. > > > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald > Database at its new URL: http://triumph-herald.us > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 21 15:16:12 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:16:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER In-Reply-To: <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> References: <7D9E49CC.000090FD.00159EE9@cs.com> <4975456F.5000900@bradakis.com> <7F370064698C4160B722A5E62CC25F25@Charly> <49773B43.4020009@dfn.com> Message-ID: I agree, not the best method and from my opinion to change the ratio is not a precise thing to do and can cause forces to the components with disastrous results. What I have done is to reshape the contact point of the of the nose. The difference is that with this profile on the nose I have a ratio change during the valve lift. The rest is done by the cam with 310 degree. Cheers -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael Porter [mailto:mdporter at dfn.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2009 16:12 An: MadMarx Cc: 'FOT' Betreff: Re: [Fot] ROCKER ARM ASSEMBLY REBUILDER This will work, but, it's not the best method. The rocker shaft and valve positions are fixed. For the optimum rocker nose contact with the valve stem head, the distance between the rocker bore center and the contact point of the nose should also remain fixed. There's also the additional problem of weakening the stock rocker by additional boring. Ideally, the ratio should be increased by decreasing the bore center to pushrod point, because that end of the rocker is made to operate with some misalignment. This could be accomplished by overdrilling, rethreading and inserting a flanged, threaded plug, staking that, then drilling and tapping for the necessary offset. The same proviso about weakening the rocker at a stress point still applies. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Jan 21 15:17:30 2009 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:17:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Herald parts cars Message-ID: <014f01c97c16$0dfbcba0$32601a3f@your55e5f9e3d2> I don't know if anyone is contemplating a Herald project, but I thought i would throw this out. A friend, Jim Fordice, is building a Herald convertible and is buying two sedan parts cars from a boneyard in Iowa to help with the project. He would like to sell off the surplus. his # is 319-938-2200. best reached m,t, and th evenings. art de armond From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 21 16:47:02 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:47:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? Thanks Dennis DeLap From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 21 21:31:19 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:31:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps Message-ID: Good Evening, I got the TR7 with the Dolly Sprint engine out on the road last Saturday and it was fun to zip around in. Sunday Morning we went out to start it up and the first crank it mad a nasty clank rattle rattle noise I remember from my days of blowing up FIATs (like when the timing belts break). I tested the engine for compression and nothing from number 3. I assume the piston hit the valves and who knows what the damage is. Anybody had any experience with this? The engine has a timing chain and I can see it didn't break. Anybody know of things I should do to make this engine more reliable during the rebuild? ......................Cheers, Henry Morrison, more Triumphs than Brains From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jan 21 21:37:02 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a really good forum here which is based in UK and has a lot of Sprint info and experts. http://www.forum.triumphtr7.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5 Cool that you have a TR7 with a Sprint engine. Do you have any pictures of the car that you can share? Thanks Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of dos_gusanos at msn.com Sent: January 21, 2009 11:31 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR7 Sprint Dumps Good Evening, I got the TR7 with the Dolly Sprint engine out on the road last Saturday and it was fun to zip around in. Sunday Morning we went out to start it up and the first crank it mad a nasty clank rattle rattle noise I remember from my days of blowing up FIATs (like when the timing belts break). I tested the engine for compression and nothing from number 3. I assume the piston hit the valves and who knows what the damage is. Anybody had any experience with this? The engine has a timing chain and I can see it didn't break. Anybody know of things I should do to make this engine more reliable during the rebuild? ......................Cheers, Henry Morrison, more Triumphs than Brains Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Thu Jan 22 08:11:16 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:11:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:02:21 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:02:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901220902x748df79ajd3c3dbd64a1bfa2a@mail.gmail.com> Morty, what are you using for sway bars? Is your TR solid rear or IRS? These numbers would seem very stiff for a TR6. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Gasket Works wrote: > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front > > M > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the > rear of your cars? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From malaboge at aol.com Thu Jan 22 10:17:16 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:17:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8CB4ACC687D2A43-1F0-45B@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Wow- Those aren't springs...they're solid blocks! Seriously, I've wanted to run stiffer springs myself and just haven't gotten to it yet...where did I put that list? I have spring that are 600 in the front and 500 in the rear,? I run those with a 7/8" front sway bar with about a 5" lever arm and a 9/16" rear with about a 10" lever arm.? The car is neutral just about anywhere and everywhere, except hard trail braking...it tends to get just a tad tail happy.? The car could be stiffer as it does take moment too long to settle in a corner.? Now I have an end point for further mods...800 & 1000 jeez... Spring is, just around the corner... ???????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal TR4 IRS -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jan 22 10:32:13 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:32:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <140264.36966.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: Dang. I havent found my numbers yet but those are about double what I ran in the TR6 (I think). Marty> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:11:16 -0800> From: gasket.works at verizon.net> To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate> > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front> > M> > www.headgasket.com> Gasket Works USA, LLC> 626.358.1616 Voice> 626.628.3777 Fax> GMT -8 Pacific> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM> Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate> > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers.> > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS.> > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the> rear of your cars?> >> > Thanks> > Dennis DeLap> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT _TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Jan 22 10:51:41 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:51:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: Mordy, I'm very interested in your setup. You haven't seen my TR4A. I missed getting it ready for Hallett but I have been running it since September of 06 with TriumphTune springs. They suggest and I bought their 420 lb.in fronts and 550 lb/in rears. I am using 7/8" swaybars sold by Goodparts. If you look at the picture from the Glen it is pretty obvious that I am a little too soft in the springs. I suppose you had your springs made up locally and I am going to have to have some made up and start making adjustments. Your car must run on rails. On another subject, Hallett. Do you think people would come from CA if I set up an FoT event there in Spring 2010? I got a couple of yes responses, but I am not encouraged. Do you think it would be better to try a Texas track? It isn't any further for you Socal guys but it is from the Midwest. We have the refurbished and very fast Texas World Speedway which we run at the end of Feb/early Mar or new track very technical track north of Ft Worth called Eagles Canyon that we run in May. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gasket Works Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:11 AM To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Watkins Glen Pro Photos 001.jpg] From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jan 22 11:16:29 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <003c01c97ca3$ad565700$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <20090122181629.54QBQ.238244.root@cdptpa-web14-z01> What kind of shocks are you using to control those high spring rates? Bob ---- Gasket Works wrote: > #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front > > M > > www.headgasket.com > Gasket Works USA, LLC > 626.358.1616 Voice > 626.628.3777 Fax > GMT -8 Pacific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis DeLap" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the > rear of your cars? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 22 11:23:13 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: <380-220091422182313578@earthlink.net> Dennis, When Fletcher ran the TR6 he used anywhere from 900 to 1100 springs on the front, and anywhere from 500 to about 700 in the rear, we used weight jackers to set the ride height and corner weights. He used solid bars front and rear, 1" and 7/8" respectfully. When I ran the car in this configuration we used 1000F and 800R. Yes the car was stiff but seemed to like it. I wouldn't argue with success. Fletcher won the Eprod Championship in 91 and did well wiith it in the GT3 configuration for a number of years also. I am in the process of bringing old Helen back to life with a rebody and some updating. I ran it for 4-5 years in the old configuration and couldn't catch the really fast RX-7's but was always top 3-5 on the grid. I hope to get her out sometime next year. Chip > [Original Message] > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Thu Jan 22 11:27:02 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:27:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Message-ID: Bob, FYI there are a few of us working on a rather large event that would have a large corporate sponsor and run on Heartland Park Topeka in probably late august of 2010. The Corp. Sponsor is already excited and their maybe a good opportunity for us here as HPT has not had "Vintage Racing" in a number of years. I'll fill you in more later. Gary Fuqua **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From fasttrs at mindspring.com Thu Jan 22 15:14:07 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:14:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <380-220091422182313578@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Another factor to consider is the stiffness of the chassis. Fletcher's car (Hellen) had an extremely stiff chassis with chromoly tubing. It was very responsive to spring rate changes. When he won the EP Championship we had 1000# front and 1100# in the back because the car had a 48%FR to 52%RR weight balance. It was frustrating keeping up with the changes that Fletcher made because he and I both were bad about not keeping notes. BTW Chip I always spell it "Hellen" because she has been to hell and back. :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CHIP COLLINGWOOD Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:23 PM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate Dennis, When Fletcher ran the TR6 he used anywhere from 900 to 1100 springs on the front, and anywhere from 500 to about 700 in the rear, we used weight jackers to set the ride height and corner weights. He used solid bars front and rear, 1" and 7/8" respectfully. When I ran the car in this configuration we used 1000F and 800R. Yes the car was stiff but seemed to like it. I wouldn't argue with success. Fletcher won the Eprod Championship in 91 and did well wiith it in the GT3 configuration for a number of years also. I am in the process of bringing old Helen back to life with a rebody and some updating. I ran it for 4-5 years in the old configuration and couldn't catch the really fast RX-7's but was always top 3-5 on the grid. I hope to get her out sometime next year. Chip > [Original Message] > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date: 1/22/2009 7:08 AM From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 23 11:29:47 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 11:40:13 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:40:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race a spitfire because...terrific handling racecar..parts readily available...easy access to engine bay(like the GT6)..I can leave the car on the trailer in my garage..open the bonnet.. and do the work..including front suspension stuff...When I was young i raced TR4s..I loved them and still do, but the spitfire is just simpler since I do all of my own work except machining and engine assembly Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Fri Jan 23 12:00:11 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:00:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9049F76A-DA5B-43F3-A7A9-FD733590FE98@bnj.com> I think specials, if you can find one, are a great way to go racing. A lot more flexibility than a stock-based race car, and while they might be more expensive to acquire, they can be cheaper to run and cheaper to repair (or not). If I were really going to do it right I'd get Joe Alexander to get me a lightweight AMBRO body built, a lightweight RATCO frame and build a TR-based special with all the bells and whistles. You'd have to get it blessed by your vintage organization, and most would say no, but it would be a great car. If you did it carefully you could get FIA papers for it as a replica--the europeans think this is a more rational approach than wearing out historic objects. Failing that I'd do a spitty and build it right on the bleeding edge of legal. There are some great ones here in Portland, and they have a blast racing each other. You can make them awfully fast. I've forgotten that guys name at Road America, but he could outdrag Peyote down the straight, and Peyote ain't slow. Only way I stayed with him at all was drive out of the corners--the big TR motors have more torque. Best way to get a race car is to buy a race car--much cheaper than building one. But building them is fun in a masochistic way. On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I > said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big > ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire > to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will > take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least > I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Jan 23 14:47:57 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090123214757.VHU7V.253037.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> I may be different from a lot of the racers. I admire someone who can keep the same car for years. Me, I'm trying to build and race every car that I have pined over through the years when I couldn't afford the sport. TR4, Datsun 2000, GT6, 510 Sedan are all behind me now. But I have landed on my present project....a 1957 TR3.....and plan on sticking with it for a long time. A couple of really good inspirations in Florida where I live, in Mike Jackson and Tim Suddard who race a TR3 very successfully. Like the guy with the Harley who loves the unique sound it makes, the 4 banger TR has that same uniqueness and especially the look. Bob (in cold Florida) ---- Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 23 13:51:52 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:51:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Jan 23 14:19:00 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <33345DE8.0951D5B2.00159EE9@cs.com> there is a Spitfire about an hour from me. it is all but ready to race. if anyone is interested, please let me know. yes, it has all of the right safety equipment and it runs. AMBRO is cool....Tony Vigliotti would like to build a lightweight frame for an AMBRO. There are two bodies available at the moment. Time & cost is an issue if those are factors in your decision. Spitfire seems to be the directon respondees point in so far. there has been a gain in popularity. joe a >I think specials, if you can find one, are a great way to go racing. >A lot more flexibility than a stock-based race car, and while they >might be more expensive to acquire, they can be cheaper to run and >cheaper to repair (or not). If I were really going to do it right I'd >get Joe Alexander to get me a lightweight AMBRO body built, a >lightweight RATCO frame and build a TR-based special with all the >bells and whistles. You'd have to get it blessed by your vintage >organization, and most would say no, but it would be a great car. If >you did it carefully you could get FIA papers for it as a replica--the >europeans think this is a more rational approach than wearing out >historic objects. > >Failing that I'd do a spitty and build it right on the bleeding edge >of legal. There are some great ones here in Portland, and they have a >blast racing each other. You can make them awfully fast. I've >forgotten that guys name at Road America, but he could outdrag Peyote >down the straight, and Peyote ain't slow. Only way I stayed with him >at all was drive out of the corners--the big TR motors have more >torque. Best way to get a race car is to buy a race car--much cheaper >than building one. But building them is fun in a masochistic way. > >On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> >> I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I >> said >> planning, scheming and dreaming... >> >> I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not >> certain >> it would be a durable racer over the long haul. >> >> So lets hear. >> >> Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. >> >> Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big >> ticket item >> for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. >> >> So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire >> to do >> those right now) I think she's done. >> >> Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will >> take a >> great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least >> I've >> make a commitment to the dream. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >Bill Babcock >Babcock & Jenkins >Billb at bnj.com >503.936.7660 >www.bnj.com > >Editor >Ke Nalu e-Magazine >Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > >Bill at kenalu.com >www.kenalu.com >blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Fri Jan 23 14:21:30 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Which year? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Jan 23 14:48:04 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:48:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Simply enough it was what I had, and in a sense also its lack of reliability. In 1965 I decided I needed a sports car. I looked at a Midget, but the steering was way loose (and the MG dealer said that was normal in sports cars!). Then I went to the Triumph dealer and he had a Spitfire on the lot for $1300. Steering wasn't loose. I bought it. Still have it. It was my daily driver for 5 years, and my autocrosser. It also managed to break down every October just when the Divisional Championship came around. Finally got tired of that, gave it to my brother (who was by then working as a mechanic at the shop where I bought it) and he built it into a race car. Took it back 3 years later. Although race cars do break, it has proven a lot more reliable in race trim. Of course, I quickly came to love the Spitfire's ease of access for working on it. And these days, the relatively easy availability of parts & expertise. There's a reason I've owned this car for 44 years now. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Jan 23 14:55:06 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:55:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EE7@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Sorry - 1500 (1974, specifically). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:21 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Which year? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:52 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jan 23 15:09:49 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:09:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race what I race because a local guy was willing to finance part of my TR3 purchased back in 1996 when I was a poorer man than I am today. I have always been a TR250-TR6 guy, owning my first in 1977 so I gravitated to the TR4 body style. Having raced a TR3, TR4, and now a TR4A IRS I'm probably going to eventually end up racing a TR6. I started in the TR3 because it was cheap but this is a temporary thing. You probably know that. So, if you like GT6's then you should race a GT6, but starting with a Spit, or a TR4 because you can grab a good one and get started is as good as it gets. If you hold out for a GT6 or worse yet, decide to build one to go racing, well good luck with that. Bob Kramer Texas TR4A #29 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rocky Entriken Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:48 PM To: Andre Rousseau; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Simply enough it was what I had, and in a sense also its lack of reliability. In 1965 I decided I needed a sports car. I looked at a Midget, but the steering was way loose (and the MG dealer said that was normal in sports cars!). Then I went to the Triumph dealer and he had a Spitfire on the lot for $1300. Steering wasn't loose. I bought it. Still have it. It was my daily driver for 5 years, and my autocrosser. It also managed to break down every October just when the Divisional Championship came around. Finally got tired of that, gave it to my brother (who was by then working as a mechanic at the shop where I bought it) and he built it into a race car. Took it back 3 years later. Although race cars do break, it has proven a lot more reliable in race trim. Of course, I quickly came to love the Spitfire's ease of access for working on it. And these days, the relatively easy availability of parts & expertise. There's a reason I've owned this car for 44 years now. --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not > certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket > item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jan 23 16:49:19 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:49:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I race a TR6. I built it because I had two parts cars and figured that was enough to get started. I'm sure we all know where that went. Anyway, I've had a TR6 since '71. Dad bought one and I was the chief mechanic. At age 15. Really. So I've been playing with TR6 for 38 years. They sort of grew on me. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jan 23 16:58:43 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:58:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no one said I had good sense..... Race what is fun for you.. Dean T. Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 23 19:49:57 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:49:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497A81D5.7000605@bradakis.com> > So I've been playing with TR6 for 38 years. > > They sort of grew on me. > Grew on you? You mean like warts? mjb. From britbits at netzero.com Fri Jan 23 20:09:16 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301c97dd1$254f7150$6b513542@jrg> Andre, For me, it's what's been available at a reasonable price. That's been Spitfires. As has been pointed out, you can probably find cars that have been converted to race cars soon after being sold. And if you're going to go racing, that's usually the cheapest way to start, as most race cars will sell for less than 1/2 what they cost to build. Some of them aren't worth 1/4 what they cost to build. That's the argument against a "prebuilt" race car. Spitfires are more common because they're the most common of the Triumphs on our side of the pond. 18 years and some 300k+ cars built. Only topped by the TR7/8s in initial production numbers and the 7/8s are not vintage legal for most groups. Yes, you can find big TRs as race cars. Some may be deals.. Some may be tired pieces of mechanical bits. You have to do your research. And the Spitfire (and GT6) is such an easy engine/trans to work on. Lift the front clip for engine work, pull a trans cover for the inside. The biggest downside on the Spitfire line is the rear swing axles. Specifically the hubs. There are people on the list who've run stock axles.. And some got some wild rides.. Right Ed? As has been said, if you can pick up a prepped car it'll usually be less than 1/2 of what you'll spend on your own home project. Keep your eyes/ears open. Lots of deals have been from people who've had good cars but had to sell because of life changes. Divorce or disability. Not trying to suggest being a ghoul, it's just where the deals are. I was offered my autocrosser after being vetted by the original owners. The main owner was going through divorce/house sale. The car is a gem. The spares were trash. But I had been around the club long enough that I was the chosen sucker. It can be a liability being known. ;) Overall it's been a good ride. Aside from snapping u-joints and replacing cracking steel rims. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click now for low cost, approved defensive driving courses! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8QcrSjiMdBMyrZrK5sDwOHJzHWjsnGwT3GpfW7yh88O8k9v/ From kaskas at cox.net Fri Jan 23 20:18:25 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:18:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved that car. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the > track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but > dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's > onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start > all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and > used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I > would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no > one said I had good sense..... > > Race what is fun for you.. > > Dean T. > Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: > > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Jan 23 20:25:04 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:25:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Loose many coffee cups? ;) A. On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, > sitting my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light > to change , then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting > a cigarette and picking up my coffee had all the people in back of > me in stitches. It was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer > too. I really did loved that car. > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on >> the >> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all >> but >> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think >> today's >> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped >> start >> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 >> and >> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about >> racing I >> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. >> But no >> one said I had good sense..... >> >> Race what is fun for you.. >> >> Dean T. >> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >> >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:15:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:15:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> Tr3s....another favorite car of mine....I love them all...British..Italian...German....American....So many cars...So little time(seriously).....It's kind of like our kids.....We put in the love, care, and time..and then.....we can be Happy as hell because we did so...and we want to do so more!..... that's one of the great thing about groups like this! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "Friends of Triumph Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loose many coffee cups? > > ;) > > A. > > On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:19:07 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: If we could repair our lungs like we can repair our cars we could still be enjoying a smoke darn i want a smoke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting > my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , > then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and > picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It > was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved > that car. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >> one said I had good sense..... >> >> Race what is fun for you.. >> >> Dean T. >> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >> >> Friday afternoon. >> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jan 23 21:22:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:22:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Don't smoke Rob..you can do it! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: "Kas Kastner" ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > If we could repair our lungs like we can repair our cars we could still be > enjoying a smoke darn i want a smoke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kas Kastner" > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 23 21:50:08 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:50:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF8EDA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <301573.67317.qm@web57601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mk1, Mk2/3 or MkIV/1500? --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Barr, Scott wrote: From: Barr, Scott Subject: [Fot] Spitfire - driver's side inside door handle To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 2:51 PM Does anyone have a Spitfire driver's side inside door handle/opener they'd like to sell? Scott B. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 06:04:25 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:04:25 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I have the car since I was a student in year 1989. I've done fun rides that time on the Nordschleife and became quite fast on that track but unfortunately on open roads too. I very often found myself with over 110 mph on narrow roads through woods. I was prone to have an big accident one day with this driving. 2003 I met a race mechanic on the Nordschleife and he did a ride with me and said: You must race! That was the start shot. Equipped the car to suit racing and then here we go since year 2004. Was big fun till now. The coming season will be interesting for me because I will run a low fat car. Cheers Chris From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 08:09:44 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media Message-ID: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> Interesting thread as I have been toying with the idea of taking an extra set of carbs and bead blasting everything including the manifold for that clean beadblasted look as an assembly. Think there is anything in the alloy of the carb peices that the loss of the patina might accelerate coorosion? My biggest fear is the beads in my engine which is why I probably won't do it... In the past I have had very good luck with Kas' method. I was however always surprised how quickly it all went back to the basic SU look, kinda like learning to like green bronze on my sailboat. Admittedly, my car suffers from months - sometimes years of back-burner syndrome where another toy gets my primping time and the TR just gets driven... Cheers, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Jan 24 08:15:31 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> Another great advantage of a TR3 is all the tools you can pick up in the middle of the highway. My best was a torque wrench I got on the San Diego Freeway, took two tries and several flipped birds to get it... From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 24 08:17:09 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:17:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Shop-talk] Blast Media In-Reply-To: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c97e35$cad2f840$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: You can use soda or plastic as the blast media, soda would probably be best, but I wouldn't expect it to stay pristine long. On Jan 24, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Interesting thread as I have been toying with the idea of taking an > extra set > of carbs and bead blasting everything including the manifold for > that clean > beadblasted look as an assembly. Think there is anything in the > alloy of the > carb peices that the loss of the patina might accelerate coorosion? > My biggest > fear is the beads in my engine which is why I probably won't do it... > > In the past I have had very good luck with Kas' method. I was > however always > surprised how quickly it all went back to the basic SU look, kinda > like > learning to like green bronze on my sailboat. Admittedly, my car > suffers from > months - sometimes years of back-burner syndrome where another toy > gets my > primping time and the TR just gets driven... > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From andre at gt6.ca Sat Jan 24 09:03:30 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c97e36$99690460$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <4362ae390901240803n2a9fe449v3090973098ba6425@mail.gmail.com> This stuff is outstanding. I've been taking notes through the whole process. I will place them on my site so I can refer to them in my research. If ever have a chance, GT6 all the way, but there are safety considerations to be tested first. I found getting in and out of Bill's caged TR6 interesting enough. http://www.gt6.ca/glen/08raw/Friday/slides/IMG_0515.html But had no issues with Russ Moore's Spit. http://www.gt6.ca/glen/08raw/Friday/slides/IMG_0517.html I think the next time I see a GT6 anywhere, I'll ask if I can test fit the car. Even my wonderful wife things a Spitfire would be a good way to go. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rblake36 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 09:23:59 2009 From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake From wensley_tr at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 09:35:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2DAE6B387C6F4F8DAD67C1B184902FAB@Desktop> Bob if you break it who going to fix it Quantum Right So listen to them Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Blake Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:24 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jan 24 09:54:23 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:54:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090124165423.VZQB16090.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@randall> > There seems to be some disagreement on > what to use in the OD unit. Bob, I think that qualifies as the understatement of the year ! What I see is that the J-type just doesn't care all that much. The same unit is used on OEM applications that use everything from motor oil to gear oil to ATF. They all seem to work well enough. IMO, the gearbox is what should dictate choice of oil, especially as the TR box just isn't all that rugged and needs all the help it can get. So, if you want to go against Triumph's recommendation and use motor oil, I'd suggest something with lots of ZDDP for protection. Lots of folks use/recommend Valvoline VR1 20W50 and it seems to work well. I recently switched to Redline MT-90 in hopes it would save a marginal transmission. It didn't; but the J-type worked just fine. Haven't decided what I'll try next, but I'm leaning towards the same Valvoline full synthetic gear oil that I use in Triumph differentials. It doesn't use the additive that is a concern with some GL-5 oils (also found in some GL-4 oils, just at a lower concentration) and seems to work very well in my diffs. However, it may be too slick for good synchro operation. If it doesn't work out, I'll probably go back to the MT-90. BTW, Quantum Mechanics also recommends upgrading the thrust washers in the TR6 gearbox to Torrington bearings. That would help them live with the 10W30 non-detergent, but seems kind of extreme to me. Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jan 24 09:56:46 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:56:46 +0100 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears shear on oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be do well. I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Robert Blake Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Jan 24 10:01:11 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:01:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <1227227243.8833491232816471399.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Because my father in law raced one at le Man's, Sebring and......\\\ And when I was 5 y/0 I was taken to school in a daily car pool in a tr4 ( I was small enough to fit in the rear with another passenger). Seat belt rules and car seats were not enabled .... but, adults should have had more sense. M.N.Dunst Gasket Works USA, LLC gmt-8 Pacific time 626.358.1616 voice 626.628.3777 fax On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca B '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ B Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Jan 24 11:55:55 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:55:55 EST Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: Redline has a hi impact gear oil now that I thought would help the diffs. I seem to recall it not being suitable for the gearbox but don't know. Might be worth a look... **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jan 24 13:09:13 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB4C76C2D88BBE-E68-339@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> I use the hi impact Redline in my diff and it seems to be holding up well.? It really is a thick oil and it probably just wouldn't be the best in an od box...or even a straight four speed.? I think it would create shifts measured in the minutes between gears...probably completely unshiftable (is that a word?) in the cold! I'm already slow enough as it is... ???????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Redline has a hi impact gear oil now that I thought would help the diffs. I seem to recall it not being suitable for the gearbox but don't know. Might be worth a look... **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Jan 24 16:21:38 2009 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:21:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> Quantum recommends using Redline MT 90 in the race J-type OD and transmission. Allen On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. > I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. > > But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears > shear on > oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be > do well. > I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 > An: FOT > Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. > Any input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sat Jan 24 18:14:31 2009 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! In-Reply-To: <1542998203.626911232845501566.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1228771459.628431232846071928.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I choose a TR4 for several reasons. First, I bought a TR4 after graduating from college in 66 because IB worked one summer at the dealer, Raymond Foreign Sales, Islip NY and they gave me a good deal! I had had aB beater MGA and great looking TR3A in college. I felt if I could get the handling of the MG and the grunt of the 3A I'd be in hog's heaven. The TR4 answered that puzzle. Second, I felt the TR4 would be a B reliable, stable platform and relatively easy/inexpensive to work on. Third, Uncle Jack and "Cousin Joe" had one for sale at a reasonable price and their reputations were impeccable so I bought the one they had for sale. Fourth, Sadly, I flattenned the one I bought from Jack and Joe, but found one locally( Pacific NW) that had history, a fairly new paint job , but needed mechanicals. Fifth, Now that I've been at this for five years, an unexpected bonus for choosing a Triumph--all the help and friendship of those of you on this list!! PS: Anyone else out there in FoT land familiar with Raymond Foreign Sales? When I worked for them they were on Sunrise Highway in Islip, Long Island, later they moved closer to their mothership, Raymond Buick in Bayshore. John James #116 From Billb at bnj.com Sat Jan 24 18:52:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:52:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <98020F15-55F6-4E86-9842-958863016DD8@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <67049534-16BB-4546-B1E5-A4975114BD91@bnj.com> I use MT 90 in the diff and gearbox. Works very well. I have a tran-x rear end and straight cut dog box though so YMMV (your mileage may vary) On Jan 24, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Allen Washatko wrote: > Quantum recommends using Redline MT 90 in the race J-type OD and > transmission. > > Allen > > On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. >> I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. >> >> But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears >> shear on >> oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be >> do well. >> I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> Im >> Auftrag von Robert Blake >> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 >> An: FOT >> Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> >> I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 >> TR6. >> There >> seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners >> manual >> recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. >> Any input >> on >> OD appreciated and on fluids in general. >> >> Bob Blake >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jan 24 21:37:34 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:37:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! References: <1228771459.628431232846071928.JavaMail.root@sz0079a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: John, My first exposure to Triumphs was on Long Island. My parents bought a sailboat in Northport and we took sailing lessons from the dealership. The guy giving the lessons, Larry Wierks, drove a red TR4 and dated my sister for a while. That must have been 1970 or so. Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: [Fot] Why I race what I race!! >I choose a TR4 for several reasons. First, I bought a TR4 after graduating > from college in 66 because IB worked one summer at the dealer, Raymond > Foreign > Sales, Islip NY and they gave me a good deal! I had had aB beater MGA and > great looking TR3A in college. I felt if I could get the handling of the > MG > and the grunt of the 3A I'd be in hog's heaven. The TR4 answered that > puzzle. > > > > Second, I felt the TR4 would be a B reliable, stable platform and > relatively > easy/inexpensive to work on. > > > > Third, Uncle Jack and "Cousin Joe" had one for sale at a reasonable price > and > their reputations were impeccable so I bought the one they had for sale. > > > > Fourth, Sadly, I flattenned the one I bought from Jack and Joe, but found > one > locally( Pacific NW) that had history, a fairly new paint job , but needed > mechanicals. > > > > Fifth, Now that I've been at this for five years, an unexpected bonus for > choosing a Triumph--all the help and friendship of those of you on this > list!! > > > > PS: Anyone else out there in FoT land familiar with Raymond Foreign Sales? > When I worked for them they were on Sunrise Highway in Islip, Long Island, > later they moved closer to their mothership, Raymond Buick in Bayshore. > > > > John James > > #116 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jan 24 21:56:52 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:56:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97ea9$574bd490$05e37db0$@com> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:26 PM To: 'Andre Rousseau' Subject: RE: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? We choose to build and race a TR4 because I had a TR4A that I bought new in '66 and had for about 25 years and was familiar with it. Also, it's the car that was around when my son Ryan, my partner in the race car, was growing up so he also was familiar with it. It's pretty basic mechanically, meaning that with some tools and facilities you can pretty much do it all yourself, which is what we did. From the suspension, drive train, frame and including the body work and the painting. The only thing we had done "outside" was the bead blasting of the tub and frame. And, yes, it would have probably been cheaper (and a lot quicker!) if we'd have bought a racer to begin with. But now we now this car inside and out, literally. We've installed and tightened every nut and bolt on the car as well as all the wiring, plumbing, etc. So that's why we race a TR4. And it was a great experience and if I had to do it again, I'd do it the same way just to have the satisfaction that "I built that". Tim and Ryan Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:30 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Friday afternoon. As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said planning, scheming and dreaming... I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain it would be a durable racer over the long haul. So lets hear. Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do those right now) I think she's done. Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've make a commitment to the dream. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Jan 25 08:32:58 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO/TIPO 61 ON EBAY Message-ID: <38811F5F.4C851F5D.00159EE9@cs.com> for your viewing entertainment, there is an unfinished project on eBay replica/kit car it is not Triumph based. the body has not been touched, but there is a custom frame partially built. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Jan 25 08:43:54 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Message-ID: <000601c97f03$baefd8c0$6701a8c0@HP> While tinkering in the garage last night thinking about this string it dawned on my another good reason to choose a TR3; the TR4 and beyond with their wider tracks, independent suspension rack 'n pinion etc are a shoe-in to be faster. So there is no real accomplishment beating a 3 BUT when a 3 beats a 4 etc, well, the humiliation should be unbearable and the gloating justified. I can remember browsing in the pits at a new tr4 with my dad and asking him why we don't get one assuming newer was better. Dad's response was "...sure is fun beating 'em". M From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Jan 25 10:47:06 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission lubricant - as others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. While I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better than the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) seem to be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable people can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to include the Redline product in that test program. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Blake Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. There seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input on OD appreciated and on fluids in general. Bob Blake ------------------------------ From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 17:02:59 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem getting it at my local parts store. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guinan" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 (Found > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test with > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. > > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission lubricant - as > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. While > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better than > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) seem to > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable people > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to > include the Redline product in that test program. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > > ------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Robert Blake > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jan 25 17:21:49 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:21:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <20090126002150.RXXQ93.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@randall> > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 > weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&cati > d=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't > work) Also please note that the described test was done "long ago", and on an A-type OD. The J-type is a later design, with quite a few improvements over the A-type (including apparently a tolerance for various kinds of oil). > I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate > that as a logical choice. Funny thing is, lots of folks do use hypoid oil (including the factory !) and they don't have anywhere near the kind of problems that John reports. I don't know why there is a discrepancy, but something doesn't make sense. Randall From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Jan 25 17:29:58 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? References: <4362ae390901231029r618710e0nfbfcd57ca061efa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006e01c97f4d$3830a050$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Andre, cold and snowy here, too. Was warm Friday and I fired up the TR6 and gave it a good warmup. I'm in the process of replacing the fuel cell. I bought the 6, not because I was a diehard Triumph fan, but more because I had wanted to get into Vintage for a decade or more and happened into the 6. A friend had it, rebuilt it in '93, raced it a couple times and parked it in his basement. (He has a '67 Mustang there now!) It was love at first bite, as soon as I sat in it. He said it wouldn't take much to make it race-ready. Never believe that crap! After sitting for a decade, it needed about everything refreshed. In a previous life, I was a mechanic, so tools and experience were there. Particulars about Triumphs were not. That's what's so nice about FOT; they're a great bunch of folks with a vast pool of knowledge and info and are willing to share. I can safely say that I have learned a lot about Triumphs, from reading and listening; always looking for insight. It was certainly nice falling into this bunch of folks (not sure what adjective to use). I've developed a soft spot for the Triumph brand. Thanks for all the help guys. Andre, as a friend said to me, this ain't no dress rehersal. Get the bloddy car and join in! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Friday afternoon. > As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. > > Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? > > I've been going over the pro's and con's of various models. Like I said > planning, scheming and dreaming... > > I would love to campaign a GT6, but as I study and research I'm not certain > it would be a durable racer over the long haul. > > So lets hear. > > Its cold and snowy. I need some inspiration. > > Oh a personal GT6 note, I've ordered what I feel is the last big ticket item > for the project. The interior. Seats, trim and carpets. > > So outside the of stainless for the bumpers and trim (no real desire to do > those right now) I think she's done. > > Now I've set my sights on saving for my vintage racer. Ok this will take a > great deal of time and personal energy to save up for, but at least I've > make a commitment to the dream. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Jan 25 19:15:38 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:15:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <0A9659B8742140A58B6058E7EFA82AB7@desktop> Favorite Local Auto Parts Store. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? > BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem > getting it at my local parts store. > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Guinan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, > > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 > (Found > > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their test > with > > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. > > > > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission > lubricant - > as > > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my street > > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. > While > > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is better > than > > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) > seem > to > > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable > people > > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually > > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to > > include the Redline product in that test program. > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) > > From: Robert Blake > > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > > There > > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any > input > > on > > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > > > Bob Blake > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jan 25 19:38:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:38:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <000801c97f14$f0b2c150$0a02a8c0@Guinan><005f01c97f49$74182790$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <0A9659B8742140A58B6058E7EFA82AB7@desktop> Message-ID: Good one Charly! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > Favorite Local Auto Parts Store. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > To: "Joe Guinan" ; > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > >> I hate to ask, but what's a FLAPS? >> BTW, I use ND oil in my old Farmall tractors (Sorry Joe A!); no problem >> getting it at my local parts store. >> Bill----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Guinan" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> >> >> > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 weight, >> > non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - >> > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&catid=11 >> (Found >> > under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't work) I'd say their >> test >> with >> > 90wt Hypoid would eliminate that as a logical choice. >> > >> > I know Joe Curry has recommended RedLine manual transmission >> lubricant - >> as >> > others mentioned. I'm getting ready to put a different OD in my >> street >> > Spit. I was able to find 30 weight non-detergent at several FLAPS. >> While >> > I'm hoping to find we reach a broad consensus that one choice is >> better >> than >> > the others, I won't hold my breath. Fluifs (that's a Joe Curryism) >> seem >> to >> > be one of those areas where different reasonable and knowledgeable >> people >> > can have varied opinions. I appreciate the fact that Quantum actually >> > TESTED the different commonly used lubricants, but they didn't seem to >> > include the Redline product in that test program. >> > >> > Joe Guinan >> > Fremont, NE >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:23:59 -0800 (PST) >> > From: Robert Blake >> > Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >> > >> > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. >> > There >> > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners >> manual >> > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any >> input >> > on >> > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. >> > >> > Bob Blake >> > ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 22:45:27 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:45:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate In-Reply-To: <8CB4ACC687D2A43-1F0-45B@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <211386.33857.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have rear springs with the 0.62 diameter wire and four active coils at the rear of my TR-6 auto-X car. According to a spring calculator they could be as stiff as 970 lbs per inch if the torsional modulus = 10E6 pounds/sq inch. The rear syaybar is solid 11/16" diameter 4130 with 9.5" lever arms. The front springs are a bit softer, but not much. My TR-6 makes a cement mixer feel like a soft cushy ride, so driving to events on the street can be a jarring experience if the pavement is rough. Someday I gotta stop racing my car every month so that I will have enough time to pull the springs and have them accurately measured. J. Prettyleaf aol.com> wrote: From: malaboge at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate To: gasket.works at verizon.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 9:17 AM Wow- Those aren't springs...they're solid blocks! Seriously, I've wanted to run stiffer springs myself and just haven't gotten to it yet...where did I put that list? I have spring that are 600 in the front and 500 in the rear,? I run those with a 7/8" front sway bar with about a 5" lever arm and a 9/16" rear with about a 10" lever arm.? The car is neutral just about anywhere and everywhere, except hard trail braking...it tends to get just a tad tail happy.? The car could be stiffer as it does take moment too long to settle in a corner.? Now I have an end point for further mods...800 & 1000 jeez... Spring is, just around the corner... ???????????????????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal TR4 IRS -----Original Message----- From: Gasket Works To: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net; FOT Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 7:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate #800lbs/inch for rear and #1000lbs/inch front M www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4/6 IRS Spring Rate > AMICI - specifically all of you TR4A,TR250,TR6 racers. > I am building a Triumph Special with Triumph IRS. > Can you give me a ballpark # that you are using for spring rate on the rear of your cars? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Jan 26 11:59:08 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:59:08 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6: Need quarter windows and dash Message-ID: Hey guys, I have got the Group 44 car nearly done now, but was looking for some real nice used quarter windows for the doors. I have a pair, but would like better chrome. Also, I bought an aftermarket wood dash and am not happy with how original it looks. Anyone have a really good used dash for a 1969 GT6+? Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Mon Jan 26 20:02:57 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? In-Reply-To: <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> References: <19259054.23367.1232755123642.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> <7C1C61ED66CE414EAA92F94AD0DDE43E@Bud> Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE9846AF643FF@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Hi Gang I race an MGA Coupe because I had a MKII project car I could not finish when I got married, and had to sell it when I moved from Canada to the states. I race a Lotus Super 7 because I had to cancel the order in the 70's to buy a ring to get married to the gal who made me sell my MGA. I race a Lotus 51 because my new wife lets me race and they are so damn fun. I will be racing a GT6+ as soon as I get it back together because they are a bit of an engineering/driving challenge with the engine so far forward and the poor rear suspension. My brother had one during university while I had a MGB-GT and we use to have a blast them. Cheers to the memories, and those wifes that support our sport :) Bill Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:16 PM To: Andre Rousseau; Kas Kastner Cc: Friends of Triumph Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? Tr3s....another favorite car of mine....I love them all...British..Italian...German....American....So many cars...So little time(seriously).....It's kind of like our kids.....We put in the love, care, and time..and then.....we can be Happy as hell because we did so...and we want to do so more!..... that's one of the great thing about groups like this! Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "Kas Kastner" Cc: "Friends of Triumph Triumph" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? > Loose many coffee cups? > > ;) > > A. > > On 23-Jan-09, at 10:18 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Loved my TR-3. It was just a neat car. Sitting at a stop light, sitting >> my cup of coffee on the ground while waiting for the light to change , >> then lighting a farmer match on the ground and lighting a cigarette and >> picking up my coffee had all the people in back of me in stitches. It >> was Soooooooooooooooo cool. It was a fast racer too. I really did loved >> that car. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Why do you race what you race? >> >> >>> Just call me crazy but I race a TR3A because that was what was on the >>> track when I started watching. After the TR4 came out they all but >>> dissapeared because the TR4 was so much better. I think today's >>> onlookers need to see TR3's on track so they know what helped start >>> all this. I am racing the same TR3A that I have had since 1964 and >>> used to drive to the track to watch. If I was serious about racing I >>> would race a purpose built race car and not a production car. But no >>> one said I had good sense..... >>> >>> Race what is fun for you.. >>> >>> Dean T. >>> Jan 23, 2009 01:30:06 PM, andre at gt6.ca wrote: >>> >>> Friday afternoon. >>> As I plan, scheme and dream I thought I'd pose the question. >>> Why do you race the particular model of Triumph you have? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >> >> > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Jan 26 21:12:23 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:12:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers Message-ID: I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have the rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on his website.. any help will be appreciated thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Jan 27 02:09:45 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers References: Message-ID: <0F0A166CCD624942914F78289D55D391@rocky> No scam. Dave is real (and a longtime friend). He has a business -- Solo Performance Specialties -- which has recently been expanding to service a lot of SCCA needs including winning the deal to be SCCA's primary supplier of apparel and other knickknacks (the SCCA Gear part of his business). He's legit. And he's worlds better than that outfit that was selling tees and stuff the previous couple of years -- better quality products and better service. FWIW, his mother was RE of St. Louis Region about three years and is currently the chair of the Midwest Division Executive Committee. These are longtime, committed and involved SCCA people. That said, I know nothing about what that e-mail was or what the issue there is. You might e-mail Dave direct -- dave at soloperformance.com and politely ask him what's up? --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers >I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have >the > rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my > website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his > sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on > his > website.. > any help will be appreciated > thanks > Racer Bud > Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 07:58:45 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 27 08:07:50 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:07:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF907D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! << the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits >> That sounds right to me. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:59 AM To: Fot Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 10:16:10 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:16:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers References: <0F0A166CCD624942914F78289D55D391@rocky> Message-ID: <0E6DA758ACAE42DB932486BA6D0F274A@Bud> FYI..I just got an email from Dave Whitworth..he sent me the email in error..all is square thanks Racer bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "RACER BUD" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers > No scam. Dave is real (and a longtime friend). > > He has a business -- Solo Performance Specialties -- which has recently > been expanding to service a lot of SCCA needs including winning the deal > to be SCCA's primary supplier of apparel and other knickknacks (the SCCA > Gear part of his business). He's legit. And he's worlds better than that > outfit that was selling tees and stuff the previous couple of years -- > better quality products and better service. FWIW, his mother was RE of St. > Louis Region about three years and is currently the chair of the Midwest > Division Executive Committee. These are longtime, committed and involved > SCCA people. > > That said, I know nothing about what that e-mail was or what the issue > there is. You might e-mail Dave direct -- dave at soloperformance.com and > politely ask him what's up? > > --Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] possible SCCA Scam on Racers > > >>I received an email..thru ebay from a DAVE WHITWORTH...purporting to have >>the >> rights to sell SCCA merchandise, and asking me to remove items from my >> website..I don't have a website..I went to the site he says is his >> sps/sccagear and found my ebay race car and vintage car stuff listed on >> his >> website.. >> any help will be appreciated >> thanks >> Racer Bud >> Spitfire #21 Sonoma, Ca. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Jan 27 12:43:01 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:43:01 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT at It's Best Message-ID: Esteemed List, We received a very large box from UPS today. When Jan discovered it in the garage she read the label. It said: "THE REALLY BIG DIAMOND" Store on a very professional looking LABEL. Since it said that, and it was addressed to her, she lugged and drug it into the dining room and started to open it. Under several cubic feet of foam peanuts she found a TR4 long neck radiator. She was very pleased. Well, mostly very amused. Then Dusty, the cat, found that foam peanuts in a box were a great source of amusement..... Thanks to Bill Dentinger........as it replaces the radiator in TR4 #197, which I destroyed beyond repair, in a jacking incident at Watkins Glen. Joe A From jibjib at att.net Tue Jan 27 17:36:08 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:36:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! Jack TR's 3 & 8 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM To: Fot Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He now owns the TR8 profiled here. http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks like Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it I am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not to win, but really to push your limits." Can I have a second for the nomination, please? Paul MacDonald [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 18:26:51 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 27 19:12:32 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve belfer) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> As a former Wisconsonite, I must point out that cheese hats are a vertical wedge vs. The horizontal wedgie of the TR7. Steve Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "RACER BUD" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:15:54 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the cheesey look... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:27:17 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:27:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <2383D181462C402E847654D735AD7401@Bud> I've never lived in Wisconsin, but I had a girlfriend from Madison back in the 1970s...there were quite a few Wisconsin transplants in the San Francisco bay area, so I was fortunate to meet lots of Wisconsinites at parties, and in the ski club that i belonged to...Beer and Brauts!.... My youngest daughter is married to a young man from a Wisconsin family..(they met at the Air Force Academy)...At their wedding...it was made very clear to me that i was automatically 'part of the family'...and it's stayed that way... If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve belfer" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "Fot" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > As a former Wisconsonite, I must point out that cheese hats are a vertical > wedge vs. The horizontal wedgie of the TR7. > > Steve > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "RACER BUD" > > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:26:51 > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:28:34 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> Message-ID: http://www.cheesehead.com/ They would probably do it too. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 27 19:30:19 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:30:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74BA3C95@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> We wear those all winter here in Wisconsin. They're remarkably warm, especially if you tack on some ear flaps. Scott B. ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: RACER BUD ; Jack Brooks ; 'Fot' Sent: Tue Jan 27 20:15:54 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the cheesey look... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! Racer bud Spitfire#21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! > > Jack > TR's 3 & 8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM > To: Fot > Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow > Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? > > Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. He > now owns the TR8 profiled here. > > http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm > > He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of > Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks > like > Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, > especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. > > I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may be > too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. > > "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it > I > am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is not > to win, but really to push your limits." > > Can I have a second for the nomination, please? > > Paul MacDonald > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:29:34 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: Welcome Paul! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination >I got one. My Daughter went to see a game and brought one back for me. > Thinking of painting it to match my car, but then that would spoil the > cheesey look... > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:37:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:37:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jan 27 19:43:13 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: That's too easy. Here is a pcture where the guy already has the paint job and 'hats' to go with it. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/ArmySpit.jpg Paul -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: January 27, 2009 9:38 PM To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 19:47:45 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: Message-ID: <1E04D7666499490A83265EB4A468ED54@Bud> thanks Paul..that photo's going to my kids! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > That's too easy. Here is a pcture where the guy already has the paint job > and 'hats' to go with it. > > http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/ArmySpit.jpg > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] > Sent: January 27, 2009 9:38 PM > To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; > "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM > Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > >> >> http://www.cheesehead.com/ >> >> They would probably do it too. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On >> Behalf Of RACER BUD >> Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM >> To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination >> >> >> Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the >> guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! >> Racer bud >> Spitfire#21 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack Brooks" >> To: "'Fot'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination >> >> >>> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >>> >>> Jack >>> TR's 3 & 8 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >>> To: Fot >>> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >>> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >>> >>> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >>> He >>> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >>> >>> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >>> >>> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >>> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >>> like >>> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >>> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >>> >>> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >>> be >>> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >>> >>> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy >>> it >>> I >>> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >>> not >>> to win, but really to push your limits." >>> >>> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >>> >>> Paul MacDonald >>> >>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which >>> had >>> a >>> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Tue Jan 27 20:00:36 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:00:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: <3D3C4F0BD1E3425EAC2644914ED6E330@joepentiumnew> I can answer that Bud! The recommended hearwear is one of those leather Aviator Helmet's complete with period goggles! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:38 PM To: Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "RACER BUD" ; "Jack Brooks" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination > > http://www.cheesehead.com/ > > They would probably do it too. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: January 27, 2009 8:27 PM > To: Jack Brooks; 'Fot' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > > Wedge Heads!..that's terrific..the Tr7-8 gang should get hats made by the > guys who make the Green Bay Packers Cheese Heads hats! > Racer bud > Spitfire#21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Brooks" > To: "'Fot'" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > > >> We need more Wedge Heads on this list - Second! >> >> Jack >> TR's 3 & 8 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:59 AM >> To: Fot >> Cc: blaflamme007 at sympatico.ca >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate Benoit Laflamme, a Triumph TR8 racer and fellow >> Canadian...can't be all bad, right (eh!)? >> >> Benoit has had Triumphs for 17 years starting with a street driven TR6. >> He >> now owns the TR8 profiled here. >> >> http://www.lanocharacing.com/BLaflamme.htm >> >> He has been racing most of the time at Mont Tremblant, just north of >> Montreal, but is looking forward to getting around to some other tracks >> like >> Mosport or Watkins Glen to meet and race with other Triumphs drivers, >> especially Peter Bulkowski and his TR8. >> >> I have been talking about my TR7 race car to him suggesting that it may >> be >> too slow for the group that I would be in. Here was his suggestion. >> >> "If you want to race even though you have a 4 cylinders you will enjoy it >> I >> am far from being the fastest but it's really something the purpose is >> not >> to win, but really to push your limits." >> >> Can I have a second for the nomination, please? >> >> Paul MacDonald >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had >> a >> name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From quicktr4 at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 00:02:42 2009 From: quicktr4 at comcast.net (quicktr4) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:02:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant References: <417786.74822.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ran an A type for several years useing just about anything for oil. my fave for trans shifting was 75/90 synthetic gl5. I built a spare and used that oil and blew the acumulator cover off the box. I guess this one was putting out a bit more pressure than the old one. Need thiner oil. John at quatum knows tr trans listen. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant >I used 90 GL4 gearbox oil ever since in a A-OD. > I have no wear after 160000 drivin miles and 3000 racing miles. > > But motoroil might work too but from the idea of oils is that gears shear > on > oils more than an engine so from this point a gearbox oil should be do > well. > I wouldn'T us a GL5 Hypoid. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Robert Blake > Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Januar 2009 17:24 > An: FOT > Betreff: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > I would like to replace all the fluids on a recently purchased 75 TR6. > There > seems to be some disagreement on what to use in the OD unit. Owners > manual > recommends 90wt hypoid, Quantum Mechanics says 10W30 engine oil. Any > input > on > OD appreciated and on fluids in general. > > Bob Blake > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Wed Jan 28 01:37:29 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:37:29 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> Message-ID: <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> > Now I'm wondering...what kind of Hat should us SPITFIRE drivers wear? I favour a 'modified' deer stalker, like Sherlock Holmes used to wear. Undo the flaps so they're horizontal and then put a forward facing probe on each front edge to imitate the two 20mm cannons! Might not be too well received if you wore it in Germany, though. Jonmac From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jan 28 02:08:59 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:08:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire hat flaps In-Reply-To: <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> References: <0F31520037F545AF99350981E91097DA@Bud> <8224E0A1625F4B01958656BDC406E4C8@Bevan> Message-ID: No problem to drive Spitfire with a Sherlock hat in Germany. We have Messerschmitt cars to defend against the Spitfires. See how they practice formation flights to prepare for a Spitfire meeting: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/FMR_Tg500_am_1976-0 8-14.jpg/800px-FMR_Tg500_am_1976-08-14.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von John Macartney Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 09:37 An: RACER BUD; Paul MacDonald; Jack Brooks; 'Fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Nomination I favour a 'modified' deer stalker, like Sherlock Holmes used to wear. Undo the flaps so they're horizontal and then put a forward facing probe on each front edge to imitate the two 20mm cannons! Might not be too well received if you wore it in Germany, though. Jonmac _______________________________________________ From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 04:57:32 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:57:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination References: <9B46165DA2F14C64AC6730D5A3EA8499@Bud> <1516069020-1233108792-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-932414706-@bxe296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2383D181462C402E847654D735AD7401@Bud> Message-ID: <667367.75257.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know about warm. Unless you mean the people! ----- Original Message ---- From: RACER BUD To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; Jack Brooks ; Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:27:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I've never lived in Wisconsin, but I had a girlfriend from Madison back in the 1970s...there were quite a few Wisconsin transplants in the San Francisco bay area, so I was fortunate to meet lots of Wisconsinites at parties, and in the ski club that i belonged to...Beer and Brauts!.... My youngest daughter is married to a young man from a Wisconsin family..(they met at the Air Force Academy)...At their wedding...it was made very clear to me that i was automatically 'part of the family'...and it's stayed that way... If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH Racer Bud..spitfire #21 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 28 07:33:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:33:08 EST Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would > say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. > to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. Bill (Damdinger) ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 28 07:58:45 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dolly Sprint update Message-ID: I got the head off the Dolly sprint engine and there is no apparent damage to the valves or pistons. I'll look at the bottom end to try to figure out what all the racket was and why I had no compression in number 3. I checked it three times, am I taking crazy pills? ...........................Henry Morrison Albuquerque, NM From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 28 08:06:20 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:06:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New TR6.............. Message-ID: Like a dog turning over a trash can, I bought a new TR6. I wasn't going to buy it but when I started waving cash around, the price was too good to pass up. My wife got pretty bent out of shape when she reminded me I now had seven, useless, cars when I really thought I only had six and if you really count everything it's more like nine. Nonetheless, low man on the totem pole must go and it's an absolutely rust free, never been in an accident, stored the last 20 years '78 MGB. Everything works and it's a great car for someone who wants a federalized British car that really can'tr get out of its own way. If I can get rid of the "B" for $2500.00, I can probably keep the TR-6. Any suggestions?.......................Am I taking crazy pills?...................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From emanteno at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 08:36:12 2009 From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:36:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New TR6.............. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354a1780901280736n586e40e1o128ea46a7f7aeb5b@mail.gmail.com> How can you possibly be taking crazy pills when you are talking about dumping a mgb in order to keep a TR6? ;-) Irv On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:06 AM, wrote: > Like a dog turning over a trash can, I bought a new TR6. I wasn't going to > buy it but when I started waving cash around, the price was too good to > pass > up. My wife got pretty bent out of shape when she reminded me I now had > seven, useless, cars when I really thought I only had six and if you really > count everything it's more like nine. Nonetheless, low man on the totem > pole > must go and it's an absolutely rust free, never been in an accident, stored > the last 20 years '78 MGB. Everything works and it's a great car for > someone > who wants a federalized British car that really can'tr get out of its own > way. > If I can get rid of the "B" for $2500.00, I can probably keep the TR-6. > Any > suggestions?.......................Am I taking crazy > pills?...................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Jan 28 08:44:49 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:44:49 EST Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2009 11:00:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Randall" > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > > > Bob - Quantum does not recommend 10W30, but straight 30 > > weight, non-detergent motor oil - I just looked it up. Check here - > > http://www.quantumechanics.com/categories.php?op=newindex&cati > > d=11 (Found under "Topic Of The Month" if the link doesn't > > work) > > Also please note that the described test was done "long ago", and on an > A-type OD. The J-type is a later design, with quite a few improvements over > the A-type (including apparently a tolerance for various kinds of oil). > > > I'd say their test with 90wt Hypoid would eliminate > > that as a logical choice. > > Funny thing is, lots of folks do use hypoid oil (including the factory !) > and they don't have anywhere near the kind of problems that John reports. I > don't know why there is a discrepancy, but something doesn't make sense. > > Randall > ISTR that Quantum recommends 30wt because Laycock recommends 30wt, whereas Standard-Triumph recommended Hypoid EP90. Whatever, there is obviously a tolerance, and FWIW, I do what the Triumph factory said I should do and it works fine. Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 09:14:59 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:14:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:33 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > > >> If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would >> say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. >> to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH >> > > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** >> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jan 28 09:17:39 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:17:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 01/28/2009 10:15:22 AM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people here in Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). Bill ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Jan 28 09:37:24 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:37:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74FF91FD@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> We call them "tourists". -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:15 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too much". And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. On Jan 28, 2009, at 4:33 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/27/2009 8:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, > budscars at comcast.net writes: > > >> If i would have to give a stereotype about Wisconsin..i would >> say...'Friendly, down to Earth, Warm'.. >> to be sure I'm not off topic here...TRIUMPH >> > > Babcock says we eat too much. So does my wife and doctor. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** >> From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the latest news. > (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023 > ) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 09:44:28 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:44:28 EST Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: Bill & Bill, Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of 200lbs but slowly heading north. Joe A. > > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was "too > much". > > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. > > Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people here in > Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). > > Bill From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 10:32:55 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:32:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I said: "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks stay so healthy." At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely superior name. On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:44 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Bill & Bill, > > Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" > restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you > put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of > 200lbs but slowly heading north. > > Joe A. > > >> > I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was >> "too much". >> > And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. >> >> Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people >> here in >> Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). >> >> Bill > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jan 28 11:01:37 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:01:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cc001c98172$778835c0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > because Laycock recommends 30wt, Just curious, Leon, have you ever seen where Laycock recommended only 30 weight for a J-type? Or even for an A-type in the 60s or 70s? The only information I've seen from Laycock was written in the early 50s (so almost 20 years before the J-type was designed); and Standard-Triumph followed their recommendation up until approximately 1960 (except that ST allowed up to 50 weight depending on ambient temperature). I've heard a rumor that there was actually a service bulletin describing the OD changes to accommodate the use of EP gear oil; but have never found a copy of such a bulletin. BTW, the Volvo J-type manual I have handy says that 20W40 is permissible; which is actually thicker than 75W90 @ 40C. Randall From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Jan 28 13:01:35 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? On Jan 28, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and > doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe > shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I > said: > > "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating > healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried > hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just > looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks > stay so healthy." > > At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 6:44 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> Bill & Bill, >> >> Yup, I ordered HASH BROWNS with Cheese with my RIBS at "THE CELLAR" >> restaurant in 2007 during your Aluminum Overcast Tour. And then you >> put it on your blog. Of course you are right....I am still south of >> 200lbs but slowly heading north. >> >> Joe A. >> >> >>>> I'd never say that deep fried hashbrowns with cheese sauce was >>> "too much". >>>> And several people i met in Wisconsin were quite svelte. >>> >>> Oh yes you did! And I think you met all three of the svelte people >>> here in >>> Wisconsin, one of whom has died recently (tape worms). >>> >>> Bill >> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 28 13:02:37 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its base in Wisconsin to go on tour. John H. From cwn74 at aol.com Wed Jan 28 14:01:32 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> References: <7C8BBB89-0302-4931-8408-D322696716A4@charter.net> Message-ID: <006901c9818b$99718240$cc5486c0$@com> http://www.b17.org/history/aluminum_overcast.asp Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 16:01:50 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:01:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: <6C7EEE31.3CFEDAC7.00159EE9@cs.com> yes it was....it didnt quite fit, but i used it anyway. >http://www.b17.org/history/aluminum_overcast.asp > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." > >-----Original Message----- >Wasn't the B17 fleet in Europe called the Aluminum Overcast? >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Jan 28 16:14:51 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese Message-ID: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. Best Regards, Joe A >For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, and >doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned Joe >shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >said: > >"Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >stay so healthy." > >At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > >And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >superior name. From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 17:07:54 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:07:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: Message-ID: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I went up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit nervous and turned a bit green. They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. Sorry I drifted off message a bit. Snow and cold, cold and snow! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "John Herrera" To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > Aluminum > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its base in > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > John H. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 17:23:44 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Hans Device Message-ID: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? Thanks Dennis From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 17:46:14 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:46:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Rear end. Message-ID: <358F1B464AAF4B0A9B9127DBE724E964@joepentiumnew> I was recently contacted by the owner of a GT6 who says that his rear end recently went out. Rather than pay the big bucks to have it rebuilt, he is wondering if anyone has a 3.27:1 diff assembly (GT6+) in good condition that they need to part with at a reasonable price. Anyone who has one, please send your contact information to me and I will forward it to the buyer. No financial interest on my part, just trying to help out a Triumph guy! Thanks, Joe From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 18:25:02 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:25:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] spitfire tranny Message-ID: <13216E456080408EA3A3B3B97939E857@Bud> Thanks to those who gave me the info regarding my spitfire tranny...You guys were right on the target...the clip ring in front of 3rd gear had slipped forward..40 cent part...it was worn on one side...then finally came loose when i shifted into 3rd..everything else looks perfect....not a speck of metal filings/grindings, whatever, and the gear teeth look like new....about 120 hours on the tranny....I use VALVOLINE synthetic gear oil..80 wt. Racer Bud From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 18:31:26 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:31:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS REHEARSAL"... My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I > went > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit > nervous and turned a bit green. > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Herrera" > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > > Aluminum > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its > base in > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > John H. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 18:54:49 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301c981b4$921c14a0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Dennis, try Saferacer, 866 781-0997, or online. Their catalog shows a retrofit kit for $75; says to fit any HANS ever made. The sliding tethers are nice for side vision. No financial interest. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Hans Device > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? > > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Jan 28 19:01:24 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> Message-ID: <004a01c981b5$7da1cff0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Bud, go up if you get the chance. You'll love it. The hatch above the radio room was open on my flight and we could stick our heads out and enjoy the 170 mph breeze. It was I that told Andre that it isn't a dress rehersal! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > REHEARSAL"... > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" > ; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I > > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I > > went > > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit > > nervous and turned a bit green. > > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > > Bill----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Herrera" > > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > > > Aluminum > > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. > > > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its > > base in > > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > > > John H. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 19:03:05 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:03:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: Plan on lot's of cheese. On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND > for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? > > Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. > > Best Regards, > > Joe A > >> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >> and >> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >> Joe >> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >> said: >> >> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >> stay so healthy." >> >> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >> >> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >> superior name. >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:07:57 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:07:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> <004a01c981b5$7da1cff0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Thanks for the push Pal...there's a B17 based in the San Fran Bay Area that comes up here about once a year.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" To: "RACER BUD" ; "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > Bud, go up if you get the chance. You'll love it. The hatch above the > radio room was open on my flight and we could stick our heads out and > enjoy > the 170 mph breeze. > It was I that told Andre that it isn't a dress rehersal! > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "WILLIAM TOBIN" ; "John Herrera" > ; "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's > expensive, > > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > > REHEARSAL"... > > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when > Liz > > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing > around' > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" > > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" > > ; "Joe Alexander" > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, > I > > > think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, > I > > > went > > > up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a > bit > > > nervous and turned a bit green. > > > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother > took > > > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the > war > and > > > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > > > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > > > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > > > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > > > Snow and cold, cold and snow! > > > Bill----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Herrera" > > > To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" > > > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > > > > > > > > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the > All >> > > > Aluminum > > > > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior > name. > > > > > > > > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave > its > > > base in > > > > Wisconsin to go on tour. > > > > > > > > John H. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:19:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:19:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <3E02DF93847F49E9B287423E89178088@Bud> How about Cigars? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND >> for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? >> >> Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A >> >>> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >>> and >>> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >>> Joe >>> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >>> said: >>> >>> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >>> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >>> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >>> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >>> stay so healthy." >>> >>> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >>> >>> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >>> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >>> superior name. >>> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jan 28 19:22:37 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:22:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <54BE4355945A4ECA9009CC11A256A474@Bud> when is the Portland kastner cup race?... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >> What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND >> for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? >> >> Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe A >> >>> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, >>> and >>> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned >>> Joe >>> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I >>> said: >>> >>> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating >>> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried >>> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just >>> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks >>> stay so healthy." >>> >>> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. >>> >>> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All >>> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely >>> superior name. >>> >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jan 28 19:22:01 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <498112C9.4050003@dfn.com> WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took > their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and > was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were > captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. > The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. > Sorry I drifted off message a bit. > The B-24, as I recall, was restored by a guy in Hudson, MA. I recall the photos of it on a flatbed trying to navigate the narrow streets leading to his hangar. When it was flying, the Larz Anderson auto museum auctioned off rides on it to raise funds (the owners didn't make much money on it, since it drank fuel something fierce, and used about thirty gallons of oil an hour). My brother and I were going to bid on a ride for my father, and when he found out, said, "good thing you didn't, because I wouldn't have gone up in it--they were always a POS and since I had to bail out of one already, I'm certainly not going to take a chance on having to again." :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Wed Jan 28 19:23:54 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:23:54 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15130107-65DA-4103-A170-3E184F4B9238@bnj.com> Mine has been. On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be > converted to a sliding tether unit? > > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jan 28 20:00:51 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:00:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> References: <001201c981a5$a2e1be20$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <1543F748A17D41B78B678FFC5438DC6F@Bud> Message-ID: After some quality time in an F16, I gave up flying. I was never going to get that ride again... I woke up one morning and realized I had four of the most expensive hobbies known to man; racing sailboats, racing cars, flying airplanes, and women. I gave up on boats and planes. It took another 23 years to settle on one woman. :) The triumph collection is still growing though. Unless someone wants a project TR6.... iii On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > i would love to go up in a plane like that..i think i will..it's expensive, > but as one of you guys said the other day..."this is not a DRESS > REHEARSAL"... > My youngest daughter and her husband are Air force Academy grads...when Liz > was in her senior year she flew in an F-16 for 45 minutes....when she > returned, and took off her G-suit...her stomach started 'dancing around' > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM TOBIN" < > william.tobin3 at verizon.net> > To: "John Herrera" ; "Bill Babcock" < > billb at bnj.com>; "Joe Alexander" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese > > > Hi, a few years back, a B17 was in Erie for a show. The Nine-o-Nine, I >> think, from the Collins Foundation. Being a history buff, esp. WWII, I >> went >> up in it; $350 for a half hour. Not being an aviation buff, I was a bit >> nervous and turned a bit green. >> They had a B24 there at the same time and a friend and his brother took >> their families up in it. Their dad had been a B24 pilot during the war and >> was shot down in action over Germany. All the crew survived but were >> captured and spent time in a POW camp. The dad died a few years ago. >> The famililies very much enjoyed the ride. Quite an experience. >> Sorry I drifted off message a bit. >> Snow and cold, cold and snow! >> Bill----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Herrera" >> To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Joe Alexander" >> Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese >> >> >> > > And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > >> Aluminum >> > tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > superior name. >> > >> > Aluminum Overcast is the name of the EAA's B-17, which does leave its >> base in >> > Wisconsin to go on tour. >> > >> > John H. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 21:21:54 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> That would be Tillamook Cheese of course! On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Plan on lot's of cheese. > > On Jan 28, 2009, at 1:14 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > What's important now is what you are going to feed us in PORTLAND > > for the CRC & THE KASTNER CUP? > > > > Glad you loiked ALUMINUM OVERCAST even tho it wasnt original. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Joe A > > > >> For the record (I'm a guy who loves precision when it goes my way, > >> and > >> doesn't mind a little fuzziness when it doesn't), when I mentioned > >> Joe > >> shoveling heart attack on a fork into his arteries at The Cellar I > >> said: > >> > >> "Very enjoyable, and good food, but for a guy who is used to eating > >> healthy Northwest style, dishes like cheese sauce puddled on fried > >> hashbrowns made my chest hurt (no, Diane I didn't eat any, just > >> looking at it made my arteries ache). I don't know how these folks > >> stay so healthy." > >> > >> At no time did the words "too" and much" appear in close proximity. > >> > >> And where was Joe when I was naming the tour--I called it the All > >> Aluminum tour, but the Aluminum Overcast tour is an infinitely > >> superior name. > >> > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From fasttrs at mindspring.com Wed Jan 28 21:22:23 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:22:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, Yes they can. I did the conversion last year. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:24 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Hans Device Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be converted to a sliding tether unit? Thanks Dennis From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jan 28 21:44:58 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> References: <78DC6B75.617EBBF2.00159EE9@cs.com> <8cbd782d0901282021k6c0cc714ycc196a5c7bb2448@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10525109DBAC4E3885FF9832446AD254@joepentiumnew> If Tillamook has dried out yet! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:22 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hash Brown & Cheese That would be Tillamook Cheese of course! From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Thu Jan 29 00:32:39 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:32:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 26, Issue 49 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2009 11:20:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:01:37 -0800 > From: "Randall" > Subject: Re: [Fot] J Type OD lubricant > To: > Message-ID: <0cc001c98172$778835c0$275636cc at jdnet.deere.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > because Laycock recommends 30wt, > > Just curious, Leon, have you ever seen where Laycock recommended only 30 > weight for a J-type? > > Or even for an A-type in the 60s or 70s? > > The only information I've seen from Laycock was written in the early 50s (so > almost 20 years before the J-type was designed); and Standard-Triumph > followed their recommendation up until approximately 1960 (except that ST > allowed up to 50 weight depending on ambient temperature). > > I've heard a rumor that there was actually a service bulletin describing the > OD changes to accommodate the use of EP gear oil; but have never found a > copy of such a bulletin. > > BTW, the Volvo J-type manual I have handy says that 20W40 is permissible; > which is actually thicker than 75W90 @ 40C. > > Randall Sorry Randall, Bit of memory fog, but I will try to recall and if/when I do, I will be sure to let you know! I seem to remember about 20% of all ths stuff I have read these days, but I think it may have been in a Laycock manual somewhere? http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Jan 29 04:49:56 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:49:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Hans Device In-Reply-To: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372503.26356.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02748849757eb57ed8cbe4c00a07af9e.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > Amici - does anyone know if the standard tether hans device can be > converted to a sliding tether unit? Yes, it can. There is an upgrade kit available (about $70, if I recall correctly). It is very easy to install. I did it to mine, and highly recommend doing the conversion. It makes it much easier to turn your head and see the corner workers when you spin off track (not that I'd ever do that, of course). John From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 29 18:35:44 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:35:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Don Carter Message-ID: Sorry to bomb the list but I'm trying to locate Don Carter You out there Don? Bob Kramer, Austin Texas rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr3a58 at verizon.net Fri Jan 30 14:42:57 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:42:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders Message-ID: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Jan 30 14:47:14 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:47:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I buy extras from Moss and hammer them in there pretty tight with sealant. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Jan 30 14:48:33 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:48:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> I ordered some from Moss about a year ago and they were the right size, rectangular about 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Sat Jan 31 01:42:45 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:42:45 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders In-Reply-To: <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> References: <12334020.238877.1233351777497.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> <000301c98324$800d33e0$80279ba0$@com> Message-ID: You can usually get felt strips from your local bearing supplier as it is used as a seal on some design plumber block bearings Cheers... Peter V TR4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 8:49 AM To: tr3a58 at verizon.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders I ordered some from Moss about a year ago and they were the right size, rectangular about 1/4 inch by 1/2 inch. Tim Murphy 1961 TR4 #317 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3a58 at verizon.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 engine builders For the past several years I have been using Payen gaskets for my engines. I received a gasket set this week and the felts for packing the rear main cap is way too small. Any body else seen this and where can one get proper sized felts? Dean T. Felt less in Virginia........ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot __________ NOD32 3811 (20090129) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Jan 31 07:09:55 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:09:55 EST Subject: [Fot] Need American Libre wheel Message-ID: Guys, I have the Group 44 GT6+ pretty much done. I found a set of 13x6" American Libre magnesium wheels (as originally run), but after repeated trys, one wheel looks to be too damaged to save. Does anyone have one of these wheels they can spare. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** >From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Jan 31 07:21:34 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 07:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dolly Sprint update Message-ID: I don't want these reports to become too minute by minute but here goes. I removed the intake tappets this morning and the number five "pallet shim" or litlle hockey puck shaped doohickey has taken a few hits. Looks like Kas' asessment of sticky valve on cylinder three is correct. I will try to take the rest of the head apart today. I must say although I never really wanted a TR7, the chance that I may have one actually sabotaged by a disgruntled Leyland employee, makes so I can't keep my hands off the little bugger..............................Cheers Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM (still on divorce threat level Orange) From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sat Jan 31 13:02:03 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Dolly Sprint Update 2 Message-ID: After trying every valve spring compressor, resorted to wrench and block of wood. About three fingernails full of black gunk, must be age old oil and gas accumulated in the # 5 intake valve port and all over the valve stem making it very sticky. I am very relieved that there was little damage beyond one of the shims. The car should run a lot better once I get everything back together............Henry Morrison