From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 1 00:01:11 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:01:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member Message-ID: I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car came out of Georgia several years back. I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will definitely benefit from the collected wisdom of our august body. His email address is: mpendy at dishmail.net Thanks guys! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Sun Feb 1 03:11:37 2009 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:11:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member Message-ID: <20090201041137.wo7fzsoggis8o840@secure.uwalumni.com> I'll happily second Greg's nomination of Mark Pendergrass. Any friend of Greg is a Friend of Triumph. Jim Hill [Whose first race at Riverside was in a '63 TR4] ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member > I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. > > Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car > came out of Georgia several years back. > I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will > definitely benefit > from the collected wisdom of our august body. > > His email address is: > > mpendy at dishmail.net > > Thanks guys! > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 1 15:40:28 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:40:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Message-ID: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 1 14:46:19 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090201214618.NWDI5582.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning > up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Been awhile since I've had one apart, but the SPC seems to show 5/16 NF bolts in those holes. Randall From westerneagleracing at att.net Sun Feb 1 15:13:59 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:13:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <020120092213.16149.49861EA7000D0BAC00003F1522230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: Cc: fot at autox.team.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for new member Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:11:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020120092211.12030.49861E100005B29600002EFE22230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D at att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: cmoubGF3QGF0dC5uZXQ= X-Remote-Addr: 97.118.105.36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I third the nomination. We need more TR4 racers. Hope you run the Portland Historics in July. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from : -------------- > I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. > > Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car > came out of Georgia several years back. > I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will definitely benefit > from the collected wisdom of our august body. > > His email address is: > > mpendy at dishmail.net > > Thanks guys! > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Feb 2 08:31:47 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <8CB53627EBD0171-C0C-459@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Should be 5/16 - 24? UNF Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:40 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Feb 2 20:33:00 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:33:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Feb 2 20:34:07 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:34:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: The threads in thermostat housing are British Pipe Threads. the threads are not tapered, they are parallel threads. USP 3/8 threads are tapered threads. The sending unit seals by the threads pushing the sending unit against a seat down at the bottom of the treads. The threads themselves do not do the sealing as USP threads do. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last > chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. > > I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter > part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the > treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. > > Thanks, > > Greg > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. 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(http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Feb 2 22:48:09 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:48:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Greg: I ran into this on my TR6. The difference between the British 3/8 pipe and 3/8 American Standard Pipe is very small. 1 thread per inch and 0,010 inch diameter. I just took a 3/8 NPT tap and tapped the threads in the housing to American Standard tapered pipe threads. Very easy, Now the Auto Meter adapter screws right into the housing. Before that I brazed an Auto Meter adapter to an original temp fitting; not pretty but worked. I think the part number is 1074-3/8 NPT for the adapter. By the way, the threads on the other end of the adapter where the temp bulb screws in are 5/8 x 11. Stewart Warner uses that thread size too. Also, the BPT isn't tapered and used a washer (gasket) to seal it. The NPT is tapered and doesn't need the gasket. Pipe dope or teflon tape works to help seal and aid in removal of the NPT fittings. Pegasus has a diagram in their catalog comparing thread sizes, including AN. If you need a 3/8 NTP tap, let me know; I probably have several. Hope this made sense. I spent 2 1/2 hours this morning shoveling the 3 feet of snow off my garage roof and I'm tired. (Tired, tired of playing the game, ain't it a fricking shame, I'm tired.) Blazing Saddles, 1974, Madeline Khan's character. Great satire. But I digress. I need some sleep. Good luck, Bill---- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last > chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. > > I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter > part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the > treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. > > Thanks, > > Greg > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 2 22:57:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:57:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: I know I'm a terrible person, but i always just tap these things out to the next pipe tap size. the notion of a non-tapered pipe thread in cast iron just doesn't make that much sense to me. Of course I once converted a 1958 BSA A-10 to metric, but that's a different story. I bet whoever has that bike today wonders WTF. On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:48 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi Greg: I ran into this on my TR6. > The difference between the British 3/8 pipe and 3/8 American > Standard Pipe > is very small. 1 thread per inch and 0,010 inch diameter. > I just took a 3/8 NPT tap and tapped the threads in the housing to > American Standard tapered pipe threads. Very easy, Now the Auto Meter > adapter screws right into the housing. Before that I brazed an Auto > Meter > adapter to an original temp fitting; not pretty but worked. > I think the part number is 1074-3/8 NPT for the adapter. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 3 14:08:30 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:08:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <001901c98643$913db140$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. You might want to test fit your gauge, Greg. As I recall, the TR4 housing will accept the original TR3 mechanical gauge, and my Sun mechanical temp gauge fits into a TR3 housing perfectly. Randall From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 3 19:41:09 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090203214109.5XPMU.4366217.root@mp17> Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear synchronizer was destroyed too. Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like to be on top end. Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll (yes I'm from Texas) posted. Bobby Whitehead #53 Triumph GT6 CVAR From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 3 20:42:02 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics Message-ID: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> knowing a pawnbroker in these economic times may be very valuable... where are you at? i am coming down to texas in a few days. whats the policy on pawning well used TRIUMPH parts? >Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear synchronizer was destroyed too. >Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. >By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like to be on top end. >Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... >I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll (yes I'm from Texas) posted. > >Bobby Whitehead >#53 Triumph GT6 CVAR >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Feb 3 20:51:51 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would be interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable price range. And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. Madeline Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished before April Fools day. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 3 21:07:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:07:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> you ain't seen Nothin' yet....! Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guinan" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would > be > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable > price range. > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. > Madeline > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished > before > April Fools day. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 4 00:08:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:08:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics In-Reply-To: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <3AF143FC-025E-46AA-9A4B-60FF69AA3199@bnj.com> I'm very fond of Pawnbrokers, I got my two BSA goldstars from a pawnbroker. On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:42 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > knowing a pawnbroker in these economic times may be very valuable... > > where are you at? i am coming down to texas in a few days. whats the > policy on pawning well used TRIUMPH parts? > > > >> Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics >> for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ >> TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass >> shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear >> synchronizer was destroyed too. >> Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only >> components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on >> my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. >> By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the >> input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work >> was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a >> 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like >> to be on top end. >> Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many >> days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the >> group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... >> I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline >> as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll >> (yes I'm from Texas) posted. >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> #53 Triumph GT6 CVAR >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 06:28:46 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> Message-ID: <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I saw some Moon Shots at the Glen a few decades ago but I don't think they had anything to do with a car! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > you ain't seen Nothin' yet....! > Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The > Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Guinan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > > > > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't > > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything > > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would > > be > > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable > > price range. > > > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For > > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of > > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my > > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. > > Madeline > > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished > > before > > April Fools day. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Feb 4 08:08:05 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 In-Reply-To: <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Call Rob Noyes Smith in Albuquerque 505-821-4369. He is/was trying to sell my old three. If he hasn't already sold it.......Henry Morrison> From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net> To: budscars at comcast.net; joeg at neb.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> > I saw some Moon Shots at the Glen a few decades ago but I don't think they> had anything to do with a car!> Bill----- Original Message -----> From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Joe Guinan" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:07 PM> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> > > > you ain't seen Nothin' yet....!> > Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The> > Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Joe Guinan" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM> > Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> >> >> > > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I> don't> > > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so> anything> > > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away> would> > > be> > > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his> acceptable> > > price range.> > >> > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter?> For> > > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been> out of> > > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much> my> > > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer.> > > Madeline> > > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last> week.> > >> > > Joe Guinan> > > Fremont, NE> > > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished> > > before> > > April Fools day.> > > _______________________________________________> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > >> > > http://www.fot-racing.com> > >> > > Fot mailing list> > > Fot at autox.team.net> > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Feb 4 14:38:18 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:38:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the hardware that was used. It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find any in that size. Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Feb 4 15:25:49 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 header Message-ID: <833B5ACC-DCC7-427C-90AF-BECE49352B6D@earthlink.net> Hello All, Anybody got a TR3/4 header they want to part with? I learned my lesson with "heat tape" by burning a perfectly good/new exhaust header up in two seasons using the stuff... great for the drag racers but no good for extended running in my experience. Too cheap to buy a new one. The other idea is to build one using the very nice - thick and still good manifold flange I have. Question: If I were to build one, what are the real-world advantages of 4 into 1 vs. 4 into 2 into 1 ? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 4 15:27:15 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:27:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: When I did it, I drilled out the hole and tapped it for an AN fitting directly. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit > engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to > the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble > locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to > be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation > Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the > hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find > any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the > fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Feb 4 15:35:29 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: <1E99F98C-F221-4BF5-A83C-7401CB3D2146@comcast.net> All the block fittings are tapered pipe thread, not straight thread, don''t remember the size. I did this on a GT6 motor - got all the fittings and hose from Pegasus Auto Racing - if you do not have their catalogue, get one, as it is a useful reference tool even if you get stuff somewhere else. they have every combination of fitting sizes, shapes and threads you can possibly need. I used steel fittings in the block, and made up my own AN lines with steel fittings at the block end and aluminum where they connected to the aluminum "manifold" (piece of bar stock, drilled and tapped). I'm assuming you have made up AN lines before, but if not, get a cheap cut-off/chop saw from Harbor Freight etc. Hacksaws just fray the lines too much. On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my > 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment > and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine > block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having > trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. > They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph > Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is > not listed is the hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I > cannot find any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source > the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 4 15:47:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my engine. Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the hardware that was used. It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find any in that size. Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Feb 4 16:47:16 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:47:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <498A2904.6050306@141.com> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. Brad Barr, Scott wrote: > I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be > big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings > will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them > out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from > Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in > the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my > engine. > > Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would > be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN > adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line > at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a > Spitfire > > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L > Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and > split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble > locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear > to be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation > Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is > the hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot > find any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the > fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 17:05:47 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> <1E99F98C-F221-4BF5-A83C-7401CB3D2146@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c98725$80180f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; for cutting braided lines, I got a stainless hose and cable cutter from Jegs for about $40. It works really well and can be carried in your toolbox. PN 555-80576. Comes in a larger size too for up to -24. Much better than a hacksaw and smaller than a cutoff saw. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Glenn Franco" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > All the block fittings are tapered pipe thread, not straight thread, > don''t remember the size. I did this on a GT6 motor - got all the > fittings and hose from Pegasus Auto Racing - if you do not have their > catalogue, get one, as it is a useful reference tool even if you get > stuff somewhere else. they have every combination of fitting sizes, > shapes and threads you can possibly need. I used steel fittings in > the block, and made up my own AN lines with steel fittings at the > block end and aluminum where they connected to the aluminum > "manifold" (piece of bar stock, drilled and tapped). I'm assuming > you have made up AN lines before, but if not, get a cheap cut-off/chop > saw from Harbor Freight etc. Hacksaws just fray the lines too much. > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > > > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my > > 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment > > and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine > > block. > > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having > > trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. > > They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. > > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph > > Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is > > not listed is the hardware that was used. > > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I > > cannot find any in that size. > > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source > > the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance > > Glenn Franco > > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 4 18:05:06 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:05:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <498A2904.6050306@141.com> Message-ID: Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have > T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way > into the oil gallery passages. > > Brad > > > Barr, Scott wrote: >> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be >> big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings >> will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them >> out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from >> Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in >> the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my >> engine. >> >> Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would >> be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN >> adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line >> at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a >> Spitfire >> >> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L >> Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and >> split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. >> The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble >> locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear >> to be 5/16 fine thread. >> I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation >> Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is >> the hardware that was used. >> It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot >> find any in that size. >> Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the >> fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn Franco >> 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Feb 4 19:20:50 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815214.5580.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rocky: With your setup, when the flow is out of the Accusump where does it flow to? Thanks - Ed --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Rocky Entriken wrote: From: Rocky Entriken Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 7:05 PM Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have > T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way > into the oil gallery passages. > > Brad > > > Barr, Scott wrote: >> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be >> big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings >> will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them >> out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from >> Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in >> the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my >> engine. >> >> Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would >> be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN >> adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line >> at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a >> Spitfire >> >> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L >> Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and >> split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. >> The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble >> locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear >> to be 5/16 fine thread. >> I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation >> Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is >> the hardware that was used. >> It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot >> find any in that size. >> Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the >> fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn Franco >> 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Feb 4 19:35:46 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool Message-ID: <156555.81869.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group, I know this is not related to Triumph's in any form or fashion, but I also know that many in this group are like me (no, not a moron) also pilots or have a love for aircraft. Found this cool link and thought I'd share it. Okay; on this list, who has more gauges in their Triumph? www.uscockpits.com -Ed- From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 4 22:50:01 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:50:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <498A2904.6050306@141.com> Message-ID: <3099D31A-2056-4DB7-B277-58000BF12588@bnj.com> That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into > the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right > there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of > the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the > Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to > the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we >> have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter >> all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Feb 5 07:44:09 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:44:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 data base Message-ID: Guys, I have been working behind the scenes here to organize this Group 44 tribute event and it has come together very well. I now have a spreadsheet with what I think is almost all the Group 44 cars and all the people associated with Group 44. I am still trying to figure out if there were two Group 44 Midgets and who has the late Group 44 GT6. I think it is (or at least) was James Dolan. Does anyone know this car or this person? Although I found pieces of Tullius' original TR3 and I heard that one of the TR4s was hillclimbing in PA, I am still looking for some of the early cars. At this point, my GT6+ looks to be the earliest Group 44 car known. Anybody have more details. The GT6 is now pretty much done and will be racing at The Mitty. Does anyone who has not contacted me already have any further info knowledge or pics of Group 44 cars? Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Feb 5 08:19:01 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:19:01 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil gall ey port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent of 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as regulating the oil pressure. Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this myself, and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- unless you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. Even then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Feb 5 08:30:26 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:30:26 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event Message-ID: I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. Most of the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars commited. Joe Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an eastcoast FOT event for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group steward. Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. We also have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT members to autocross. We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 team. Most of the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed Diehl, Tony Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve Knoll, Lanky Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to attend. We will have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at each table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation with old footage from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our emcee. After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and the team members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, that had so much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. Judging by some of the stories I have already heard from these team members, it should also be very entertaining. We will also have at least a dozen Group 44 cars on display next to the Chalet. This is a semi-private party for original team members and current car owners. It will be held at Road Atlanta's Chalet and will begin at 6:00pm with beer, wine and soft drinks provided. (probably have a cash bar as well). We have room for about 100 additional people and I wanted to offer this to FOT members, Classic Motorsports subscribers and Jaguar and MG club members first. Tickets will most likely sell out in just a few days, so please act fast if you want to be part of this special evening. The price per ticket is $45 per person and does not include track ticket for the weekend. Tickets for this dinner are available at our website. GRMSpeedfest.com. For the rest of the weekend, we will have autograph signing sessions with Bob Tullius and various team members at our tent. We will have a parade lap session and gala celebration of the Group 44 cars on the grid on Saturday and Bob Tullius, himself will take one lucky person for a ride around Road Atlanta in a Group 44 car (contest details on our website). We will stage the cars from newest to oldest and this should make quite a green and white spectacle that shouldnbt be missed by any Triumph, MG or Jaguar fan. >From there, Group 44 cars will run int there normal run groups. If there is enough interest by Triumph, MG and Jaguar racers, we will have groups and special races dedicated to those groups. HSR officals tell me it would take about 30 cars to warrant special run groups. If everyone comes, we can get this done. >From a spectator standpoint, this will be the biggest Mitty ever. Already Corvair, Formula Vee and other special interest race groups have pledged to attend the Mitty to race. There has also been more interest from clubs then ever before, as we are hosting a Mazdapalloza club group, the Spitfire Squadron and many, many British car clubs have pledged attendance. Mark your calendars, check for updates and VIP tickets on our site and we look forward to seeing everyone at The Mitty. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Feb 5 08:38:22 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like a spectacular event. One question. Why are the tickets to the Group 44 Dinner restricted to residents of the US? FOT is not a US only. Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: February 5, 2009 10:30 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net; debbie at grassrootsmotorsports.com; baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com; david at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. Most of the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars commited. Joe Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an eastcoast FOT event for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group steward. Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. We also have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT members to autocross. We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 team. Most of the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed Diehl, Tony Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve Knoll, Lanky Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to attend. We will have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at each table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation with old footage from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our emcee. After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and the team members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, that had so much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 08:43:54 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool In-Reply-To: <156555.81869.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <989063.29090.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW ... Ed, youre right about us nuts on the list, but I guess this reminded me of where I came from ... heres a link to what is going in the current cockpits we are building now ... just a tiny bit different ... http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g550/technology.htm see any difference, old to new ????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Wed, 2/4/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool To: "FOT" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:35 PM Group, I know this is not related to Triumph's in any form or fashion, but I also know that many in this group are like me (no, not a moron) also pilots or have a love for aircraft. Found this cool link and thought I'd share it. Okay; on this list, who has more gauges in their Triumph? www.uscockpits.com -Ed- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mediehljr at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 09:34:29 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:34:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3099D31A-2056-4DB7-B277-58000BF12588@bnj.com> Message-ID: <896213.71034.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Bill and all. I found that one important thing on this installation is to have a one way check valve in the system to prevent the oil from going two ways as it leaves the accusump and only flowing into the bearings. Put the valve on the cooler side of the "T". Cheers and stay warm. Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Babcock wrote: From: Bill Babcock Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:50 AM That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Feb 5 09:47:08 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:47:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: <200902050947665.SM08760@[166.70.182.40]> Ed, We use a check vavle in Susan's system as well.B It forces all the oil back into the oil galleries. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Ed Diehl" Sent 2/5/2009 9:34:29 AM To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a SpitfireHi, Bill and all. I found that one important thing on this installation is to have a one way check valve in the system to prevent the oil from going two ways as it leaves the accusump and only flowing into the bearings. Put the valve on the cooler side of the "T". Cheers and stay warm. Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Babcock wrote: From: Bill Babcock Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:50 AM That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:06:31 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:06:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes: > > << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for > me. > I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter > rupture or > come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get > the > motor shut down. >> > > I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. > This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil > gall > ey > port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent > of > 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as > regulating the oil pressure. > > Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this myself, > and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- > unless > you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. Even > then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. > ************** > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to > stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of oiling system front annotated.jpg] From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:13:03 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:13:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> Now that I think of this design, I have decided I do not like it -- if the Accusump fires, most of the oil will go to the oil filter return. Am going to directly plumb the Accusump to the large port on the galley [if the PI metering unit allows room]. Will then put the one way valve on the "T" from the oil cooler line so all the Accusmp oil goes to the galley [does this seem like a good idea?]. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Billb at bnj.com >> writes: >> >> << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that >> for me. >> I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter >> rupture or >> come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to >> get the >> motor shut down. >> >> >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. >> This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil >> gall >> ey >> port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent >> of >> 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as >> regulating the oil pressure. >> >> Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this >> myself, >> and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- >> unless >> you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. >> Even >> then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. >> ************** >> Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to >> stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 5 11:05:38 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:05:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <081AFD46-91DE-4333-BF91-AAC12ED72BE3@bnj.com> Sounds like a lot of stuff. An accusump serves three purposes--pre- lubricates the engine prior to starting, keeps oil pressure above some minimum, and provides pressure for shutdown in the event of a problem in the oil delivery system. It's not there to increase oil flow, you do that in other ways, either by raising pressure or by enlarging the oil passage that you want more flow from. As far as i can see on TR3/4 motors the only place we really need to worry about those three things is crank bearings--mains and rods. The rest of the stuff gets adequate oil for the most part and can get by on residual oil during an emergency. Our expensive crankshaft's can't. All due respect to Sam, it sounds more like he's talking about keeping an engine together for a race than having one last a season or more. I like things to be as simple as they can be AND NO MORE. Directly connecting an accumulator to the oil gallery seems to make my engines last and last. The motor in Peyote lasted an entire season, and then went on the all aluminum tour. It was still running fine when Garmey rebuilt it. If you can do something like that with a clean, light, unencumbered solution versus something that might be initially easier to do but is both more complicated and less reliable, then I'd always bite the bullet and go for simple and reliable. On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > Now that I think of this design, I have decided I do not like it -- > if the > Accusump fires, most of the oil will go to the oil filter return. > Am going > to directly plumb the Accusump to the large port on the galley [if > the PI > metering unit allows room]. Will then put the one way valve on the > "T" from > the oil cooler line so all the Accusmp oil goes to the galley [does > this > seem like a good idea?]. > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Arnold > wrote: > >> I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three >> oil >> gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the >> Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter >> return and >> to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. >> Threelines from >> the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. >> >> Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is >> notreally >> necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by >> enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to >> 1/8th >> inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on >> number 1 >> main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles >> and a >> windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra >> capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together >> this year From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 5 20:27:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:27:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [TTSCC] old days racing Tr4s Message-ID: <5DE28FB1736F42CA9BA0CB2976B62DBB@Bud> Hi Gang..I'm trying to find some of the guys I raced with in the early 1970s..in DP San Francisco Region ..i sent the following email to Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [TTSCC] old days racing Tr4s Hi Gang...As a Triumph Travelers Member now, and formerly(early 1970s for a year or 2)...In those days there were quite a few TTSCS members racing Tr4s in SCCA San Francisco Region...I Raced a Black Tr4..with Yellow Wheels and yellow racing stripe...Are any of you guys that I raced with/knew then still members..etc.?....I lived in the east bay then, and bought the black TR4 from Alva Rodriques of Gonzales(Salinas area) ..Before i bought it, Roger Hettrick drove it for Alva..They moved on to a GT6, which they went to the National Championships with..(unfortunately Roger rolled the car on the 1st lap after qualifying 4th... 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Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. . __,_._,___ From baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thu Feb 5 08:48:21 2009 From: baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Baxter) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:48:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's an error, Paul, now corrected. On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > Sounds like a spectacular event. One question. > > Why are the tickets to the Group 44 Dinner restricted to residents > of the > US? FOT is not a US only. > > Thanks > > Paul MacDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com > Sent: February 5, 2009 10:30 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net; debbie at grassrootsmotorsports.com; > baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com; david at grassrootsmotorsports.com > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event > > > I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. > Most of > the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April > 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars > commited. Joe > Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an > eastcoast FOT > event > for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group > steward. > Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday > night. We > also > have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT > members to > autocross. > > We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 > team. Most > of > the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed > Diehl, Tony > Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve > Knoll, > Lanky > Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to > attend. We > will > have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at > each > table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation > with old > footage > from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our > emcee. > > After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and > the team > members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, > that > had > so > much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. > Tim Baxter - Online Editor Grassroots Motorsports Classic Motorsports NEW ADDRESS/ PHONE: 915 Ridgewood Ave., Holly Hill, FL 32117 386-239-0523 386-239-0573 fax From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Feb 6 07:19:44 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> Hey everyone, Who is planning on racing at the Walter Mitty this year (April 30-May 3 at Road Atlanta)? Brad and I are very interested in the event (Tim's Group 44 planning looks AWESOME!) and are trying to decide if we want to just spectate or race. It looks like if we can get 30+ Triumphs, we can have a feature race, according to the info in Tim's email of yesterday. Who's up for it??? Have a great day! Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Feb 6 07:24:39 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:24:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the Group 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we have the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer cars coming. That's eight already. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 6 08:51:45 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? In-Reply-To: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> References: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <485226B2BB734520B2EDAACBE146D8FE@richardiipc> 'Ole 196 will be there. Richard Taylor, -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:20 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Hey everyone, Who is planning on racing at the Walter Mitty this year (April 30-May 3 at Road Atlanta)? Brad and I are very interested in the event (Tim's Group 44 planning looks AWESOME!) and are trying to decide if we want to just spectate or race. It looks like if we can get 30+ Triumphs, we can have a feature race, according to the info in Tim's email of yesterday. Who's up for it??? Have a great day! Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri Feb 6 11:54:18 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] transmissions References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> Message-ID: <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Ken: I will forward your request to the list. www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Stone To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: transmissions Looking for a transmission for a tr4a including perhaps a core overdirve tranny. Any way to get word out to your members? Thanks Ken Stone 40 Ford's Crossing Norwell, MA. 02061 781-659-4768 From benchmarkmap at charter.net Fri Feb 6 13:12:26 2009 From: benchmarkmap at charter.net (Fred & Carolyn Easton) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Message-ID: <001a01c98897$3af4f0e0$6601a8c0@Easton2> We are abandoning our TR4A project. Block -- NG Original overdrive transmission Please contact off line if interested. Fred From Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca Fri Feb 6 13:39:21 2009 From: Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca (Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:39:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: FOT and Tim Please count me in to bring my red/white TR-8 down to the Mitty. Peter Bulkowski #42 TR-8 Canada -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: GRMTim Sent: 02/06/2009 09:24 AM To: spitfiresuz at 141.com;FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the Group 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we have the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer cars coming. That's eight already. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Feb 6 13:59:08 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:59:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498CA49C.7060901@charter.net> Thanks for all the advice on plumbing my Spit Accusump. Looks like I will T into the oil feed line to the remote oil filter and cooler with 10an fittings and hose. For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. The gallery plugs on these Spit engine have the same plug as the plug on the head that feed the rocker shaft assembly with a remote oil feed kit. I thought the easy fix would be to source 5/16" flow bolts and banjo fittings, but no luck. Thanks again Glenn Franco 72 Spit race car and too many other triumphs Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Feb 7 06:18:00 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:18:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498CA49C.7060901@charter.net> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about plumbing multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't one big line going to do exactly the same thing? Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one adequately sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more stuff to go wrong. Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your motor is already toast... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. From billdentin at aol.com Sat Feb 7 07:37:06 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year In-Reply-To: <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. Congratulations to TONY DREWS. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 7 07:51:11 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:51:11 EST Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Message-ID: I think Bill has been to Las Vegas to a Masonry Convention. This is an exciting event. They spend 4 days watching concrete dry. But it does stay in Las Vegas. > Amici... > > I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of > FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the > VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY > DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. > > Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. > > Congratulations to TONY DREWS. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Feb 7 07:54:26 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:54:26 EST Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty Message-ID: Absolutely, you can park your motorhome right next to ours and next to the Moss pub. That said, we do not paddock in this area, so if you are racing, we can set up an offical FOT paddock area as well. Get with me early enough to do this, not after everyone is set up and I need to move stuff around. Looks like we are already up to 15-20 Triumphs. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 2/6/09 6:20:13 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Tim, > > If I bring my motorhome, is there way we can park it in your general > vicinity as the "Official FOT Vehicle"? Out of the way and in the background is > fine. > > I am going to try to encourage a few folks and I do expect a few, however, > there are several on the east coast that are planning to go to the Jefferson > 500. > > But you have a very significant event and I would like to be there for it. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the > Group > 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one > other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we > have > the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer > cars coming. That's eight already. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > > ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00 000003) From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 09:14:55 2009 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA DRIVER of theYEAR Message-ID: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Congratulations Tony! A very deserved award. You exemplify the spirit of Vintage Racing. Ken Suhre From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Feb 7 09:45:04 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Tony Drews References: Message-ID: <1FD364A3-EFAA-457B-B4F1-D88435288F0A@earthlink.net> > CONGRATULATIONS TONY!!! Well deserved! > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 and 1 time pilot of Tony's #95... Did I remember to say > THANKS Tony? > Albuquerque NM > On Feb 7, 2009, at 7:37 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a >> bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been >> announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last >> Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of >> the Year award. >> >> Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. >> >> Congratulations to TONY DREWS. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Feb 7 09:49:12 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:49:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year In-Reply-To: <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c98944$018a92d0$049fb870$@com> Well done and well deserved, Tony. Just being able to keep your feet on the pedals at ELVF last year while "lubricating" the footwells seemed like quite an accomplishment!! And as I recall you had some of your better lap times at Road America. Lunker did give you a lot of incentive, also, as I recall. Sharing your car with Lunker for the weekend certainly was in the tradition of vintage racing. Great job, great drive. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Amici... I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. Congratulations to TONY DREWS. Bill Dentinger Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 7 09:53:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:53:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> I agree, I use a single line. I think people are trying to get around making the gallery plug hole bigger. Nerve-wracking to drill on something like that, but worth doing as long as you can catch all the chips and clean the block after. I have also taken that opportunity to enlarge the bearing feed holes. On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about > plumbing > multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't > one big line going to do exactly the same thing? > > Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? > > Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery > feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one > adequately > sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more > stuff to go wrong. > > Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your > motor is already toast... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Franco > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > Lines > On a Spitfire > > For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they > can be directly plumbed from my accusump. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From triosan at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 10:01:36 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:01:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902070901p60e4baacr2808025b1c3f631c@mail.gmail.com> I think enlarging the bearing feed holes may be the key with the TR6 engine. Doing that this rebuild. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I agree, I use a single line. I think people are trying to get around > making the gallery plug hole bigger. Nerve-wracking to drill on > something like that, but worth doing as long as you can catch all the > chips and clean the block after. I have also taken that opportunity to > enlarge the bearing feed holes. > On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > > > I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about > > plumbing > > multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't > > one big line going to do exactly the same thing? > > > > Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? > > > > Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery > > feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one > > adequately > > sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more > > stuff to go wrong. > > > > Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your > > motor is already toast... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Glenn Franco > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > > Lines > > On a Spitfire > > > > For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they > > can be directly plumbed from my accusump. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 7 10:04:19 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:04:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes004.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes003.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes001.jpg[/IMG] **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 7 10:37:35 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:37:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F999F5029E94DF08F117E341920AB4A@KasPC> Don't be fooled by just enlarging the bores of the oil ways. There is a bushing that intrudes into the main gallery in the 6 cylinder engines and it restricts the flow to the front of the engine. THAT is why I did the piping to the cam bearing taped holes in the side of the block way back in the late 60's. It is the front of the engine that starves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire >I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return > and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Billb at bnj.com >> writes: >> >> << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that >> for >> me. >> I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter >> rupture or >> come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to >> get >> the >> motor shut down. >> >> >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. >> This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center >> oil >> gall >> ey >> port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent >> of >> 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as >> regulating the oil pressure. >> >> Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this >> myself, >> and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- >> unless >> you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. >> Even >> then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. >> ************** >> Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to >> stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > oiling system front annotated.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mediehljr at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 16:12:23 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:12:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <473193.90515.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Henry, you are correct. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Henry Frye wrote: From: Henry Frye Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:18 AM I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about plumbing multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't one big line going to do exactly the same thing? Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one adequately sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more stuff to go wrong. Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your motor is already toast... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 7 16:59:41 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:59:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: Let's keep in mind there are two very different engines in play here. You TR4 guys face entirely different problems than the six guys. I'd not deign sneer at anything the fours do until I understood why... **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Feb 8 06:46:17 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion Message-ID: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? thxx all, Bob From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 8 09:42:54 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's email address is Bill Close . Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. -------------------- I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact Bill. It's a great kit! Count me as one very satisfied customer. -------------------- At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: >Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if >so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is >there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? > >thxx all, >Bob >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 11:02:04 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:02:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Cannot beat Herman's quality -- and he includes a linear throw out bearing that alone costs 500 [bearing alone costs 300, custom mount]. Not sure how Bill does it for that price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped > conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's > email address is Bill Close . > > Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. > > -------------------- > I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I > picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 > for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except > when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for > you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on > the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if > the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. > > If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact > Bill. It's a great kit! > > Count me as one very satisfied customer. > > -------------------- > > At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: > >> Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how >> well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in >> FOT land that might be for sale? >> >> thxx all, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 8 11:20:37 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:20:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA DRIVER of theYEAR In-Reply-To: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Way to go Tony! Congrats! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 8 11:23:01 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:23:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090208182348.33CBF187683@autox.team.net> Don't say "cannot" when you are not sure of what you speak. I'll let Bill speak for himself or you can contact him yourself. His phone number is 602-524-5351. Bill decided to build these conversions when he could not get Herman to cut him a discount on a multi unit order. Herman's response was that if Bill wanted them at a lower price build them himself. He did. End of story. Bill owns 4-5 restored TR3's, a TR4, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth motor, a concourse winning Alfa Spyder, a Lancia Scorpion and a Super7. He has built, driven and owned race cars forever. He is always the first person I call when I have a question or need help. At 11:02 AM 2/8/2009, Chuck Arnold wrote: Cannot beat Herman's quality -- and he includes a linear throw out bearing that alone costs 500 [bearing alone costs 300, custom mount]. Not sure how Bill does it for that price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's email address is Bill Close . Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. -------------------- I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact Bill. It's a great kit! Count me as one very satisfied customer. -------------------- At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? thxx all, Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 8 12:45:29 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:45:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090208194529.ZVLR8858.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@randall> > Not sure how Bill does it for that > price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. I believe that is true. If I'm thinking of the right one, Bill's conversion uses an original bellhousing, clutch linkage and pressure plate; which means you don't have to change the flywheel and starter as with Herman's conversion (on earlier TRs). The bellhousing gets cut away from the original gearbox housing, then reinforced and machined to accept the Toy box. And while I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, I kind of like having the clutch hydraulics out where they can be serviced without removing the transmission. With Herman's setup, you even have to pull the gearbox to adjust the clutch. Randall From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sun Feb 8 12:53:25 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:53:25 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK Message-ID: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Hi, Everyone This is just to let you all know there have been recent updates to the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that hopefully a goodly number of you will find interesting? To start with, 'Stagmeister' Joe Pawlak and his loyal band of smashed knucklers at Illinois Sports Owners Association have made real progress with the car. The front and rear suspension is in place, the body is fully painted and the engine rebuild is well underway. If you haven't seen the website recently, there are some new pix so you can see what's going on. Additionally, I'm now delighted to be able to confirm the route details, dates and venues (where known and confirmed) are now on the website as well. Click on the route on the site sidebar and apart from the latest map, you'll be able to see where "uncle jack" and I will be at any time or date. There are still a number of things to firm up regarding events but the bare bones are now in place. We had a major disappointment a few weeks ago when the US charity we'd hoped to work with, decided for reasons we're still not too sure about - to withdraw from the TTACD. The search is now on to identify and recruit a fully accredited and registered US 501c3 non-profit to work with us. Hopefully, we'll be able to reveal all when that sanction is gained. >From now onwards, the next stages of the event are to identify which clubs close to the route want to join in on the Drive itself. Who wants to join a caravan and who doesn't - where each caravan will start and finish etc etc. I'll also soon be opening the doors for 'caravanners' to book their rallyboard or a seat in "uncle jack" as he makes his noble (and noisy) progress across Canada and the U.S. Four months to go now = and counting Jonmac From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 8 13:39:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:39:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK In-Reply-To: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: <7064BCE6-CA87-4624-A79B-F19AFCD693DB@bnj.com> John, I've been looking at your schedule and route, and it's tantalizingly close to the dates for the Kastner Cup event at Portland International Raceways (Sept 5 - 7 Columbia River Classic Road Race) The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the Northwest. We'll be putting together a fairly elaborate and fun set of events surrounding the race. It looks like the timing will be decidedly off and you have some pretty firm looking conflicts, but I thought I would be remiss if I didn't let you know. On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Hi, Everyone > > This is just to let you all know there have been recent updates to > the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that hopefully a > goodly number of you will find interesting? > > To start with, 'Stagmeister' Joe Pawlak and his loyal band of > smashed knucklers at Illinois Sports Owners Association have made > real progress with the car. The front and rear suspension is in > place, the body is fully painted and the engine rebuild is well > underway. If you haven't seen the website recently, there are some > new pix so you can see what's going on. > > Additionally, I'm now delighted to be able to confirm the route > details, dates and venues (where known and confirmed) are now on the > website as well. Click on the route on the site sidebar and apart > from the latest map, you'll be able to see where "uncle jack" and I > will be at any time or date. There are still a number of things to > firm up regarding events but the bare bones are now in place. We had > a major disappointment a few weeks ago when the US charity we'd > hoped to work with, decided for reasons we're still not too sure > about - to withdraw from the TTACD. The search is now on to identify > and recruit a fully accredited and registered US 501c3 non-profit to > work with us. Hopefully, we'll be able to reveal all when that > sanction is gained. > >> From now onwards, the next stages of the event are to identify >> which clubs close to the route want > to join in on the Drive itself. Who wants to join a caravan and who > doesn't - where each caravan will start and finish etc etc. I'll > also soon be opening the doors for 'caravanners' to book their > rallyboard or a seat in "uncle jack" as he makes his noble (and > noisy) progress across Canada and the U.S. > > Four months to go now = and counting > > Jonmac _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:09:31 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:09:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain Message-ID: <000401c98a53$10651b30$6401a8c0@blake1> What is the trick to get the cam gear back on with a new AE chain? I am using a new crank sprocket new (stock style) cam gear, and new AE chain. The chain seems very tight and I can not get the cam sprocket back onto the cam. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:54:55 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c98a59$67ec4670$6401a8c0@blake1> Gary, Michael, Greg, Thank you for the tip, each of you had the same suggestion. What would I do with out you guys? Gary, Will you be at TWS in February? Greg -----Original Message----- From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com [mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain The chain has to go on both sprockets before you put either of them on. You get both of them started with the chain in place and then just slowly tap them both back into place. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO _____ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sun Feb 8 20:33:12 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:33:12 EST Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain Message-ID: No, going to have to miss the Feb event. I have found (after just thinking I was going to install a windage tray that I actually was quite lucky to not blow the entire engine in the TR 4 so I am currently waiting on a couple of parts and will completely rebuild it. I should be ready for Hallett though so hopefully will catch up there. Cheers, Gary **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 02:55:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup focus event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting up a website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios about both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. Gather up some good pics of your car. The site is at http://www.crclassic.com The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with british cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous amount of stuff to see and do. It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem getting that, this is a very special event. I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some fine parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit--contrast stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him where he got it and he said "from my closet". Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) Blukarski said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to do: Roadtrip!" Bill Babcock Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 http://www.AllAluminumTour.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 07:54:32 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:54:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: Bill, Please let me know what I can do to help. For everyone else I'll be glad to go through my files and supply Bill with shots I have of the Midwest contingent. Just contact me so I know who's photos to look for. Greg Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: Billb at bnj.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphtrans-americainfo at triumphtransamerica.org.uk; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website > > I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup focus > event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland > International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting up a > website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be > attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change > quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios about > both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- > based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are > racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. Gather > up some good pics of your car. > > The site is at http://www.crclassic.com > > The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, > which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the > Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with british > cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid > days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on > Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous > amount of stuff to see and do. > > It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than > you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race > if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem > getting that, this is a very special event. > > I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some fine > parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. > One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with > Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit--contrast > stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him where he > got it and he said "from my closet". > > Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- > grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) Blukarski > said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to do: > Roadtrip!" > > > Bill Babcock > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > > http://www.AllAluminumTour.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 09:27:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:27:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> <7064BCE6-CA87-4624-A79B-F19AFCD693DB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1699A893-F046-4FCD-B44B-38410727164B@bnj.com> I thought that would be the case , John, but I wanted to extend the invitation. It would certainly be a pleasure to see you when you get near Portland On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:38 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Hi, Bill > > Thanks very much for your suggestion and I do agree that it would be > great to be at Portland on the dates indicated. Sadly, I have to sit > that one out. > The route for the whole event gradually evolved with different > Triumph Clubs inviting me to visit them during the time window I was > planning to be in the US and Canada. Added to that, they have also > done a lot of work in arranging special events of a fundraising > nature and to these, dates have had to be applied. > Without wanting to sound like a killjoy or old before my time, I > also have to think of me. It's strictly a case of Anno Domini but I > find (with much regret) that I simply cannot cover the distances I > once did without thinking about them - and my stroke in 2005 was the > warning shot across the bows. > The bottom line is I've just got to pace myself and break the trip > up into easily managed daily segments and with regular R&R breaks, > otherwise a number of people here (wife, step-daughter, two sons and > my doctor) could turn nasty :) > But all that to one side, I do appreciate your suggestion and hope > that somehow we'll be able to meet - somewhere, sometime? > > Cheers, John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: John Macartney > Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; Triumph Trans-America ; triumphs at autox.team.net > ; spitfires at autox.team.net ; 6-Pack > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK > > John, I've been looking at your schedule and route, and it's > tantalizingly close to the dates for the Kastner Cup event at > Portland International Raceways (Sept 5 - 7 Columbia River Classic > Road Race) The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British > Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars > in the Northwest. > > We'll be putting together a fairly elaborate and fun set of events > surrounding the race. It looks like the timing will be decidedly off > and you have some pretty firm looking conflicts, but I thought I > would be remiss if I didn't let you know. From billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 11:28:53 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:28:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: Thanks Greg, if you sign up on the site I will make you an editor, which means you can add content yourself. That offer goes as well for any carbon-based lifeform that would like to assist with this effort. You can't use these powers to advertise porn, or any device that might enlarge any portions of my anatomy, but other than that pretty much anything goes. On Feb 9, 2009, at 4:54 AM, wrote: > Bill, > > Please let me know what I can do to help. > > For everyone else I'll be glad to go through my files and supply > Bill with shots I have of the Midwest contingent. Just contact me so > I know who's photos to look for. > > Greg > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > From: Billb at bnj.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 > > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphtrans-americainfo at triumphtransamerica.org.uk > ; 6pack at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website > > > > I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup > focus > > event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland > > International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting > up a > > website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be > > attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change > > quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios > about > > both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- > > based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are > > racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. > Gather > > up some good pics of your car. > > > > The site is at http://www.crclassic.com > > > > The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, > > which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the > > Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with > british > > cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid > > days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on > > Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous > > amount of stuff to see and do. > > > > It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than > > you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race > > if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem > > getting that, this is a very special event. > > > > I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some > fine > > parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. > > One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with > > Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit-- > contrast > > stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him > where he > > got it and he said "from my closet". > > > > Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- > > grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) > Blukarski > > said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to > do: > > Roadtrip!" > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > > > http://www.AllAluminumTour.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rikrock at aol.com Mon Feb 9 14:11:06 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paging Joe Boruch Message-ID: <8CB59120E926E32-1184-AF8@webmail-me13.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Call me at 610-804-9047.? I need to get your address so that I can return the oil pump we borrowed at the track this summer. Rich Rock From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Feb 9 15:04:15 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:04:15 EST Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion Message-ID: In a message dated 2/8/09 11:46:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: << And while I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, I kind of like having the clu tch hydraulics out where they can be serviced without removing the transmissio n. With Herman's setup, you even have to pull the gearbox to adjust the clutc h. >> Dan Styduhar installed a Herman System in his street TR-3, and drove it to the big Triumph blowout at Watkins Glen last summer. I rode with Dan in his TR-3 down into town to watch the street races. Something happened to Dan's transmission, and he couldn't go into reverse to back out of a gas station. He rman sent Dan a couple of upgraded parts to hopefully fix the problem. ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 20:09:23 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:09:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup site Message-ID: <1439625A-4ED8-4C4D-B489-AC26FF7FAAD2@bnj.com> Is a lot more interesting now. I'm still working on it, but it's time for those of you that are going to race your car, drive your Triumph to the event, or just would like to daydream about a cross country road trip to upload pictures of your toys. there's a forms tab that lets you do this without much more computer savvy than the average senior citizen. http://www.crclassic.com Bill From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 10 01:51:18 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] front oil seal Message-ID: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> Like a dummy, I thought the front oil seal was in my gasket set. Of course I did not bother to look until tonight when I was ready to button up the engine. Needless to say, I am hurting for a front oil seal in a big hurry. Has anyone found a cross reference to a NAPA or other national chain. Thanks, Greg From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Feb 10 08:55:15 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: Message-ID: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 09:32:18 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:32:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: You didn't mention that you checked to see if the throttle discs themselves are closing all the way. They can be tightened in place and not allow closure leaving a large air opening. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gasket Works Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:55 AM To: RLEslEagle at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Feb 10 09:42:21 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:21 EST Subject: [Fot] help, please! Message-ID: Bob is certainly correct on the throttle disks although I had a problem like this once a long time ago after a Carb rebuild and while the gray matter is indeed gray I think it was caused by installing the idler arms backwards or upside down. i.e. It didn't matter where the idler screw was it had no affect. I'd recheck that all the linkage is installed properly. Cheers & Good Luck, Gary Fuqua **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 10 09:46:13 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:46:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <259504.52213.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dick: Who rebuilt the carburetors? You say the shafts and bushings have been replaced and there is no leakage around the shafts, but, do the throttle plates (butterfly's) close completely? When new shafts are installed they need to be drilled for the cross pin which holds the throttle stop arm. If that is drilled in the wrong location the throttle stop will come to rest on the idle screw perch, but the throttle plate can still be open. Also, the plates can be in the shafts backwards, with the chamfer facing the wrong way, which will cause the throttle plate to not close completely. Check it out and let us know. Good luck - Ed Barnard- --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Gasket Works wrote: From: Gasket Works Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! To: RLEslEagle at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:55 AM Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 10 09:49:26 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:49:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Help please! Message-ID: <523903.318.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow! The CVAR contingent is all thinking the same! Is it something in the water or air? -Ed- From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 09:49:29 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:49:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fast idle Message-ID: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> Given you are certain about the possible gasket and manifold leaks the only place remaining is the carburetor throttle plates. The engine must get air from somewhere to give the fast idle. They only have to be off a fraction to allow enough air to pass to give the fast idle as there is no load on the engine. You just might be able to see by just removing the bells and slides of each carb to check the plate position.That opening is pretty difficult to see from the outside of the carb but remove the carb and shine a light at the front and looking at the plate from the rear you will if there is a gap. To reseat the plates, slack off the screws, tap the plates lightly and check to see that the gap has been closed, hold tightly closed with your finger as you tighten the plates. I would remove each screw individually then and apply a little Loctite unless the screws are the split end type, replace each screw in turn, recheck the position with the light. The error can happen easily on a re-build of the carbs. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 09:59:10 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:59:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <01c101c98ba0$e5403b70$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You didn't mention that you checked to see if the throttle discs > themselves > are closing all the way. They can be tightened in place and not allow > closure > leaving a large air opening. Just to echo what I think Robert is saying : the throttle plates need to be centered to the bore any time they are disturbed. If you look through the body at a light, you may see a little light at the sides of the throttle plate (next to the shaft), but both bottom and top should block light totally. If there is a rim of light, they are not closing for some reason. I have also had problems where the linkage pivots were worn oval, and would bind just as the carbs came to idle. Easy check for that is to disconnect the linkage at the front carb. Hopefully obviously, bad synchronization between the carbs can also cause high idle (one carb holding the other open); but usually it's not very smooth. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 10:01:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:01:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <5963637CC2C340DEBA43B4D1076772E7@Bud> it could be something as simple as how the linkage is bolted together..loosen the little center nuts and bolts on the shaft that runs between the carbs, one may be out of whack, keeping the throttle open racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! > Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? > > See below. > > md > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RLEslEagle at aol.com > To: gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: help, please! > > > Greetings. > I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger > at > The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, > after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky > Brit > street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a > smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked > the > following: > 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not > leak > air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new > gaskets, > no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do > not > leak. > 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static > timing > is at 4 degrees tdc. > 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and > connection at front carb okay. > 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. > 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with > the > "carb spray test." > 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. > > The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment > screws > entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment > cam is > not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that > my > installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result > more > in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? > > Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored > example > and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. > But, > there is this idle problem... > Thanks! > Dick Eslinger > Dayton, Ohio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL > Music > takes you there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Feb 10 10:47:33 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:47:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <28FC2C2CAF1F471684EEC8856FDEA507@rocky> Maybe back off the timing? --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! > Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? > > See below. > > md > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RLEslEagle at aol.com > To: gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: help, please! > > > Greetings. > I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger > at > The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, > after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky > Brit > street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a > smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked > the > following: > 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not > leak > air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new > gaskets, > no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do > not > leak. > 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static > timing > is at 4 degrees tdc. > 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and > connection at front carb okay. > 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. > 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with > the > "carb spray test." > 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. > > The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment > screws > entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment > cam is > not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that > my > installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result > more > in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? > > Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored > example > and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. > But, > there is this idle problem... > Thanks! > Dick Eslinger > Dayton, Ohio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL > Music > takes you there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Feb 10 10:52:04 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Cars Message-ID: <20090210175330.277E8187869@autox.team.net> In the current issue of Hemmings "Sports & Exotics Car" Magazine with a TR6 on the cover touting an article inside entitled "Improving the Breed. Updating a TR6. 5-Speed Overdrive, Electronic Fuel Injection, Limited Slip and Modern Electrics" is a pretty nice article about the Runnoffs being held at Road Atlanta in 1970. Pictures of Group 44 cars. GT6+, TR6 and Spitfire From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 10 10:57:31 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 9:57:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 11:07:23 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:07:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to use a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four forward gears without overdrive. Thoughts? Chuck On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet > Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the > library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow > FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to > make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. > Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, > like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe > this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the > rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's > 50% of the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 > transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the > frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a > chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for > several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the > car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable > racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the > group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and > finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the > end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 11:12:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:12:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. But that's an expensive proposition and the reliability suffers when you get above 130 HP. The standard gearboxes are marginally reliable in street cars. The overdrives are a bad joke, but they clearly give racers a lot of ratios to play with. Hard to see any regulatory reason for saddling us with these fragile, expensive and increasingly rare trannys. I have a big stock of them and might never switch over, but I think the sport benefits from reliability. On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my > sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of > the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. > Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have > apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg > Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any > car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped > Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, > apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm > on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of > the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a > custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. > modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there > may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have > sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, > conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can > find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race > group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around > and acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to > reliable racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of > the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I > start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's > an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > \ From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 11:16:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:16:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fast idle In-Reply-To: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> References: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> Message-ID: <1D5D991B-0191-40AA-A1DF-1C1A12B744B1@bnj.com> It's also pretty easy to screw up the timing, or to have a sticking advance unit. I had an adjustable timing light get out of calibration, and your timing mark could be off. I'd also spray the gasket surfaces with water and look for a stumble as the water gets drawn in. So easy to get a vacuum leak. On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Given you are certain about the possible gasket and manifold leaks > the only > place remaining is the carburetor throttle plates. The engine must > get air > from somewhere to give the fast idle. They only have to be off a > fraction to > allow enough air to pass to give the fast idle as there is no load > on the > engine. > > You just might be able to see by just removing the bells and slides > of each > carb to check the plate position.That opening is pretty difficult to > see from > the outside of the carb but remove the carb and shine a light at the > front and > looking at the plate from the rear you will if there is a gap. > > To reseat the plates, slack off the screws, tap the plates lightly > and check > to see that the gap has been closed, hold tightly closed with your > finger as > you tighten the plates. I would remove each screw individually then > and apply > a little Loctite unless the screws are the split end type, replace > each screw > in turn, recheck the position with the light. > > The error can happen easily on a re-build of the carbs. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Feb 10 11:03:13 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:03:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> I think SVRA has allowed it for a couple of years. I ran all last year with a T5 in my TR3 and it is great. Also doesn't leak like the old TR box with CR grears. When I ran the OD box leaking was also a problem. The TR boxes had just been apart too many times. Dean T. Feb 10, 2009 12:57:41 PM, igofaster at charter.net wrote: Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Tue Feb 10 11:27:25 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:27:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:27:37 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:32:00 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB59C4FF5499D4-10F0-8C@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> That "B" is a typo! -----Original Message----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 11:43:32 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:43:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Speaking as the Race Director of one of those "national captioning vintage race groups", whatever that means, you need to understand and appreciate that every organization sets its own policies on car elegibility and preparation. There is no equivalent of SCCA in vintage racing. There is an umbrella organization, the Vintage Motorsports Coucil, but it is not a rules preparing body. It is a forum for conversation among the member organizations. All of those you listed are members of VMC. Certainly the issues of car mods and preparation rules have been discussed frequently but long ago all agreed that they weren't likely to give up their freedom to establish their own rules. Heck, most all even have their own terminology for class/group designations and years of elegibility in each of them. So, the result is differences all over the country, in most all classes for a variety of reasons. Some very simply make financial decisions to get more entrants by allowing more non-period mods. Others try to hold the line to only that which was available back in the time of the car's first use in club racing. And everything in between. And then come magazines that seek to have a nationwide audience. There is certainly no claim that anything shown in articles or advertisements is assured to be acceptable by any one driver's local organization. One needs to find out what the sanctioning body(or bodies) they are going to race with will accept. Interestingly enough, my TR3 still has a Triumph gearbox and it holds up for 4-5 years before a truly major rebuild. I can give you the name of my engine/gearbox builder. Also interestingly enough, my other race car is a Formula Vee and CVAR has some rules that are more liberal than many other organization. Mike Jackson Race Director - VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >Sent: Feb 10, 2009 12:57 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > >Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. >CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... >I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... >Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. >Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. >thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. >I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. > >Bobby Whitehead >#53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:56:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:56:08 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: Mike, your comments are well thought out and put. Then it can be said without contradiction that we all race TRIUMPHs, more or less. Some more so, some less so. Bill (Damdinger) ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 12:21:00 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:21:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: CVAR has an "OEM" requirement, meaning a Triumph tranny. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:07 PM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to use a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four forward gears without overdrive. Thoughts? Chuck On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet > Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the > library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow > FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to > make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. > Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, > like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe > this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the > rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's > 50% of the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 > transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the > frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a > chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for > several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the > car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable > racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the > group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and > finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the > end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:33:07 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:33:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c98bb6$698f2f70$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The [] transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be > functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That > means 4 > speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, Since the original 4-speed plus OD gives 7 distinct ratios, that same logic would seem to indicate that a 7-speed manual would also be acceptable. Or 8, if your lockout switch happens to be misadjusted Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:42:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have fun with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call it a Triumph. If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:55:48 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:55:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] front oil seal In-Reply-To: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <01f601c98bb9$9215c280$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Needless to say, I am hurting for a front oil seal in a > big hurry. Has anyone found a cross reference to a NAPA or other > national chain. Not sure which motor you are working on, Greg, but not too many years ago I walked into a Kragen (same chain as Checker and Shucks) and asked for a front seal for a TR4. They had two of them in stock. Randall From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 12:55:53 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Chuck, but that is not true. That was why I spent so much time and money on the special gear set that made it the top four ratios of a five. speed. Who really needs a.88 first gear for the street? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to > use > a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four > forward > gears without overdrive. > > Thoughts? > > Chuck > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet >> Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. >> CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the >> library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow >> FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed >> to >> make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. >> Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, >> like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". >> Maybe >> this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by >> the >> rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's >> 50% of the last 6 events... >> I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom >> GT6 >> transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the >> frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... >> Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be >> a >> chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for >> several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to >> the >> car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. >> thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable >> racing. >> I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the >> group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last >> and >> finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at >> the >> end of the season. >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 12:56:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:56:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real controlling group.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have > fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 13:02:27 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:02:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> Message-ID: Absolutly true and in our own ranks no doubt. I found it difficult to buy 87MM forged pistons but the supplier had plenty of 89 MM sets due to the demand from racers.. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: Randall; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real controlling group.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have > fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 13:08:56 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:08:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05><01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> Message-ID: <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Randall" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very > disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of > course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that > there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than > there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real > controlling group.. > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > >>> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >>> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >>> acknowledge the swap. >> >> I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't >> that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have >> fun >> with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and >> call >> it a Triumph. >> >> If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 13:11:14 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB59D2DC393BF9-10F0-7D7@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> I meant numerically HIGHER....like 1:10 to 1. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1) -----Original Message----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 13:13:33 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05><01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com><28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CB59D32E91CCDF-10F0-815@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Stating gear ratios is my weak point too, Kas! That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88.B -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: RACER BUD ; Randall ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88.B B ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" B To: "Randall" ; B Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 AMB Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!B B > This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very > disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of > course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that > there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than > there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real > controlling group..B > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" B > To: B > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AMB > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!B >B >B >>> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race groupB >>> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around andB > >> acknowledge the swap.B >>B >> I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn'tB >> that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have >> funB >> with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and >> callB >> it a Triumph.B >>B >> If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc...B >>B >> RandallB >> _______________________________________________B >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB >>B >> http://www.fot-racing.comB >>B >> Fot mailing listB >> Fot at autox.team.netB >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB > _______________________________________________B > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB >B > http://www.fot-racing.comB >B > Fot mailing listB > Fot at autox.team.netB > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB _______________________________________________B Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB B http://www.fot-racing.comB B Fot mailing listB Fot at autox.team.netB http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB B From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 13:35:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:35:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <505A5AB4-B65D-42B9-ADF7-248CEE94D44B@bnj.com> This falls between the "good point except" and the "slippery slope" categories. No one requires full OEM vintage. If they did there would be very few running production-based cars. The megabuck cars must be pure in order to retain their value, but all the rest have parts relentlessly replaced with what's available and what fits the budget. If these cars are going to participate (and they are the backbone of vintage racing) then it's going to be a continual regulatory management process that enables that, not a hard and fast rule. The organizations are trying to hold the brakes on as much as feasible without winding up with races that have 20 entries. You can argue that a transmission change provides performance opportunities, and it does, but nothing out of scope of what can be accomplished inside an OEM box and overdrive with a lot of very expensive parts (most of which never saw the inside of a Triumph factory). The big difference is price and reliability. I don't mind paying that price to some degree, but I also don't mind racing with people that did it in a less expensive but not OEM-like manner. On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Randall wrote: >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race >> group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but > isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to > have fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota > and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Feb 10 14:17:40 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:17:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <4991EEF4.4020100@pobox.com> Don't some of the GT6 vintage racers use a TR456 gearbox? How difficult is that to do? Seems like that would be the best solution to Bobby's problem. Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably >> reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. >> > > The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, > even with TR7 internals, is night and day... > > chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 15:51:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:51:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC race car pics In-Reply-To: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2C8FAFE3-EEC4-4131-9681-89A09895B2E1@bnj.com> We have some nice race car pics up but no street cars yet. http://www.crclassic.com/?page_id=7 I pretty much have the go-ahead for the autocross, now I just need to arrange it. We'll probably have it on Monday and it will be right in the paddock. the All British Field Meet clears out on Sunday night, leaving a perfect area clear. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 10 16:38:44 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> Yeah, I'm for that. Then I could run my 240 hp Honda powered Spit! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have fun with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call it a Triumph. If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 16:57:47 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <00BDF099-A87B-4450-8491-A5D15EED7FEC@earthlink.net> Right!! And for the OEM clubs, I'm thinking about a TR8 engine in the back seat on my Herald convert - really got to do something with/to that thing. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Yeah, I'm for that. Then I could run my 240 hp Honda powered > Spit! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race >> group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but > isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to > have fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota > and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 18:33:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:33:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> References: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> Message-ID: <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. Maybe even a radio. You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" > Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- > vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) > E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net > URL : > Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? > queryinput=216.175.115.151 > Comment: > Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow > cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA > which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll > be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! > > Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? > > You can see all comments on this post here: > http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 18:38:10 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:38:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> References: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> Message-ID: Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > Maybe even a radio. > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> URL : >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 >> Comment: >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >> >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >> >> You can see all comments on this post here: >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 10 21:51:59 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:51:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed gearbox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090210235159.25ALY.465909.root@mp19> seems if a national "captioning" vintage race group allows > the 5 speed conversion..., darn spell check... dang , I may not contribute on a daily basis, but I sure can stir the mud, huh??? Thanks Bob "Fireball" Kramer.... yeah I know.... OEM by CVAR rules... I've beat this horse to death... I guess the T50 will go on a street GT6 once I get Barbra's TR6 back on the road... GREAT NEWS.... Gary Fuqua secured tickets for the VIP dinner @ the Mitty for me and him... Gary doesn't drink so I guess I'll have to drink for two!! Did successfully get the J type buttoned up tonight although I'm downright sick as a dog... Barbra came out and turned a few wrenches with me... whatta gal! Thank ya'll for the diatribe... really honored to be in the FoT! Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Yellow GT6+ From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Feb 10 23:07:36 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: >Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I can't. I remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome in car video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road America. I was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed a few "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the meeting about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules enforcement up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them and given to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as long as you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing or maybe disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was driving around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the money to get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old transmission. So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. Cheers, Henry Morrison From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 23:18:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:18:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> You crack me up Henry. I find myself agreeing with both sides in this debate, which usually either means I'm a Namby-Pamby indecisive sissy, or there are two plausible arguments. Personally I'm going to to stick with TR boxes, but it's mostly because I already spent all that money. On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, wrote: >> Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I >> can't. I > remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome > in car > video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road > America. I > was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed > a few > "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the > meeting > about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run > group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules > enforcement > up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them > and given > to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as > long as > you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing > or maybe > disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was > driving > around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the > money to > get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old > transmission. > So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > _______________________________________________ From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 23:24:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:24:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> The plot thickens!...It's the Law here in Sonoma. Ca....Mandatory wine consumption at 5pm..it's all about helping the economy. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > You crack me up Henry. I find myself agreeing with both sides in this > debate, which usually either means I'm a Namby-Pamby indecisive sissy, or > there are two plausible arguments. > > Personally I'm going to to stick with TR boxes, but it's mostly because I > already spent all that money. > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, wrote: > >>> Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I can't. >>> I >> remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome in >> car >> video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road >> America. I >> was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed a >> few >> "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the >> meeting >> about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run >> group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules >> enforcement >> up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them and >> given >> to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as long >> as >> you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing or >> maybe >> disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was >> driving >> around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the >> money to >> get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old >> transmission. >> So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Wed Feb 11 04:51:08 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:51:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> Message-ID: <4362ae390902110351t7756bdf7ta7ea8239ade4d079@mail.gmail.com> POV from the non-racer/wannabe racer. I put a Ford T9 5 speed into the GT6 in 2006. http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/index.html I love it, no regrets. Did it take away from the GT6? No. Did it add valve. Depends on your stance on modifications. I did my swap based on knowing I wanted an OD/5th gear and after reading several sites, the 5 Speed option was not much more then a whole new 4spd and OD. Plus in 10 yrs I'll be able to service it easier. Finding an OD kit might be tough. Back to the vintage racing. I wonder if this will lead down a slippery slope. IE, if you have a good car which your pretty competitive with. You maybe be forced to keep up with the "Jones." Yes I know some people don't mind putting the money down and rightfully so that 5 speed boxes are much more capable of dealing with the power and conditions of a racer... Good bang for the buck it you will... BUT... The divide between the vintage racer and "super" vintage racer grows further and further... And you know what comes next eh... Ok, new more robust gear box. MORE POWER. Hmm why do I keep having drive line failures. Subrau diff? That's my early morning take. I will have too see what the VARAC guys come back with. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 08:43:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > Maybe even a radio. > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> URL : >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 >> Comment: >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >> >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >> >> You can see all comments on this post here: >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Feb 11 08:50:30 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:50:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> Message-ID: Once again I will mount the soap box. No you can't see both sides of the argument. It is merely a choice made by racers between what is right, and what is convenient (and what will propel them to the front of the grid the quickest). To vintage race, I believe you must agree with the idea that "racing was better in the old days". This is how the first people started vintage racing as a way to bring old, outclassed cars back on to the track. They looked at the SCCA, said Yuk, and started their own deal. I know people who have come to the track one weekend, bought a car and entered the next, have not gone through this thought process and yet wonder why they can't enter in their Miata. These folks need good strong rules and encouragement from their peers to realize that it is far better to spend endless time speculating on electrical theory to finally experience the joy and sense of acomplishment of their electric overdrive actually engaging. While sticking a five speed in your Spitfire may not seriously affect your car's value, I offer this challenge, go to Scottsdale next year and buy one of those restored Austin Healeys, stick a 289 in it, and then see if you can get Caroll Shelby to sign it enough times to ever get your $90 grand back. What I mean by this is I go to a lot of work to bring a reasonably period correct and interesting car to the track and drive it. I expect everyone else to do the same. The idea that Vintage event organizers should welcome whatever car shows up in whatever kind of condition, is just racing socialism..........................Henry Morrison (big ring of pipe smoke exits mouth) From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Feb 11 08:53:56 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:53:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: MORE rules? Do I have to PROVE I'm from this planet? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like >> this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules >> of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are >> allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue >> other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. >> >> Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo >> that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the >> street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license >> plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. >> Maybe even a radio. >> >> You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: >> >>> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >>> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >>> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >>> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >>> URL : >>> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? >>> queryinput=216.175.115.151 >>> Comment: >>> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >>> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >>> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >>> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >>> >>> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >>> >>> You can see all comments on this post here: >>> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 08:56:37 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:56:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <16D8FB87-A27A-4C29-9FD6-7B427BCEF536@bnj.com> Well, some people may have to quickly convert their street triumphs to race cars. I'd guess there might currently be 200 racing Triumphs. On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 09:06:35 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:06:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> Message-ID: <1CEE5287-B03E-422B-AE03-AC290A1A192E@bnj.com> Henry, have you been watching old reruns of Boston Legal? You're sounding suspiciously like the James Spader character. Of course that would have to be cigar smoke, not pipe, and scotch not wine. On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:50 AM, wrote: > Once again I will mount the soap box. No you can't see both sides > of the > argument. It is merely a choice made by racers between what is > right, and > what is convenient (and what will propel them to the front of the > grid the > quickest). > > To vintage race, I believe you must agree with the idea that "racing > was > better in the old days". This is how the first people started > vintage racing > as a way to bring old, outclassed cars back on to the track. They > looked at > the SCCA, said Yuk, and started their own deal. > > I know people who have come to the track one weekend, bought a car > and entered > the next, have not gone through this thought process and yet wonder > why they > can't enter in their Miata. These folks need good strong rules and > encouragement from their peers to realize that it is far better to > spend > endless time speculating on electrical theory to finally experience > the joy > and sense of acomplishment of their electric overdrive actually > engaging. > > While sticking a five speed in your Spitfire may not seriously > affect your > car's value, I offer this challenge, go to Scottsdale next year and > buy one of > those restored Austin Healeys, stick a 289 in it, and then see if > you can get > Caroll Shelby to sign it enough times to ever get your $90 grand back. > > What I mean by this is I go to a lot of work to bring a reasonably > period > correct and interesting car to the track and drive it. I expect > everyone else > to do the same. The idea that Vintage event organizers should welcome > whatever car shows up in whatever kind of condition, is just racing > socialism..........................Henry Morrison (big ring of pipe > smoke > exits mouth) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 10:31:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:31:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902110931n47e1e4dfvc0b7c12ec52762ba@mail.gmail.com> Between England, Europe, US and Australia I would guess it is around 300-400. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > > Maybe even a radio. > > > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > > > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" > >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- > >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) > >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >> URL : > >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 > >> Comment: > >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow > >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA > >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll > >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! > >> > >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? > >> > >> You can see all comments on this post here: > >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From britbits at netzero.com Wed Feb 11 10:53:36 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kantarjiev Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9H5xz99YcZbxLhpV9ZjHhtLOLBgnmMhi47pWsSKkBAvXZrk/ From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 11:28:27 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:28:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems (was SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!) In-Reply-To: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Message-ID: >From my experience running a GT6 box in a Spitfire, the two biggest problems are the looooong throw from 2nd to 3rd and the slow synchro's, but those are problems relating to lap times. The only mechanical problems I've had with the box are related to the 3rd gear retaining clip (always install a new one) and tearing up synchros. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kantarjiev Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9H5xz99YcZbxLhpV9ZjHhtL OLBgnmMhi47pWsSKkBAvXZrk/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 11:51:19 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:51:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] interesting video oon Failure from Honda Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> Came across this today -- encouraging given all the failures my attempts to race have presented: http://dreams.honda.com/#/video_fa -- Chuck Arnold From KENMUN at aol.com Wed Feb 11 14:02:44 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:02:44 EST Subject: [Fot] tr6 o.d./gearbox assembly Message-ID: i'm having problems getting the "a" type o.d. unit back on the gearbox.the unit slides on fairly free until the last 1/2" where it gets stuck. the gearbox is standing on its nose for assembly. the female splines inside the od are lined up and the cam is not yet near the pump roller. i took the od off to do gearbox work and everything in side is the same as when it was removed. any suggestions? thanks, ken m. tr3 racer **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Wed Feb 11 16:10:32 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems expanded In-Reply-To: References: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Message-ID: <003901c98c9d$f1211100$a6503542@jrg> And... Are the single rail gearboxes any better than the three rail? Anyone on list running a single rail in their Spitfire/GT6? I remember at one point Kas has said the 3 synchro 3 rails had bushings on the laygear, which held up better than the needle bearings. If it's all covered in one of Kas's books then I guess I should put my money where my keyboard is ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norlin Engineering Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:28 PM To: britbits at netzero.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems (was SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!) >From my experience running a GT6 box in a Spitfire, the two biggest >problems are the looooong throw from 2nd to 3rd and the slow synchro's, but those are problems relating to lap times. The only mechanical problems I've had with the box are related to the 3rd gear retaining clip (always install a new one) and tearing up synchros. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save time, money, and hassles on your paving project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryA0l1g0aCIezVt7F6KhWewlHfHTa7AsWzLesHjPfmurYOp8O/ From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 11 18:41:23 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] interesting video oon Failure from Honda In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I drive a Honda street car for a reason, and it's not the great gas mileage. Terry Stetler From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 11 22:10:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tr6 o.d./gearbox assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090212051058.B2DE0187676@autox.team.net> I always have the problem. I suspect that the female splines inside the OD aren't totally lined up, that's what usually stops me 1/2" from being done. I have a junk mainshaft that I've ground bevels onto the splines to use to line them up. There are two sets of splines that go over the mainshaft, and it helps to pull the clutch mechanism inside the OD apart to free the two splines up, and then mash it back together before assembly. I forget if you have to pull up on the little cross bars over the pistons in the OD, or push them down to release the internal clutch slightly. - Tony Drews At 03:02 PM 2/11/2009, KENMUN at aol.com wrote: >i'm having problems getting the "a" type o.d. unit back on the gearbox.the >unit slides on fairly free until the last 1/2" where it gets stuck. >the gearbox > is standing on its nose for assembly. the female splines inside the od are >lined up and the cam is not yet near the pump roller. i took the od >off to do >gearbox work and everything in side is the same as when it was removed. >any suggestions? thanks, ken m. tr3 racer >**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >Awards. AOL Music takes you there. >(http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 11 22:27:09 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Message-ID: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes - Tony D From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 22:44:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:44:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: thanks Tony....It's terrific...not sexist at all....She is a good looking woman..and..a great race driver.....it would be sexist to Ignore that fact....It's a Triumph of sorts! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick > was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, > honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > - Tony D > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 23:48:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:48:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: That's terrible, awful, horrible... there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the paint!!! On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of > this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > - Tony D > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From andre at gt6.ca Thu Feb 12 04:21:52 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:21:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> #22 is my fav. Nothing against Danica, but that is a great shot. A. 2009/2/12 Bill Babcock > That's terrible, awful, horrible... > > there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the > paint!!! > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching > > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of > > this... > > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > > > - Tony D > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Feb 12 04:22:32 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:22:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902120322g32268f21h197f4a307f991b9d@mail.gmail.com> And is that an fresh oil spot on the ground? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/09_danica-patrick_22.html 2009/2/12 Andre Rousseau > #22 is my fav. > Nothing against Danica, but that is a great shot. > > A. > > 2009/2/12 Bill Babcock > > That's terrible, awful, horrible... >> >> there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the >> paint!!! >> >> On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica >> > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching >> > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of >> > this... >> > >> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes >> > >> > - Tony D >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 12 07:41:30 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:41:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes Too skinny. :-0 > - Tony D rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 12 08:20:01 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:20:01 EST Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Message-ID: In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > Too skinny. > Too skinny for what? Bill (Damdinger) ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 12 08:27:52 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:27:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, > lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > >> Too skinny. >> > > Too skinny for what? > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. AOL Music takes you there. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 12 08:50:15 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Photo 22 of 34: And who noticed that little dimple just below her right knee? I wonder if she has to hold herself centered in the cockpit by knee-bracing herself like we garden variety drivers do. RT -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:28 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, > lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > >> Too skinny. >> > > Too skinny for what? From deanesr at uncw.edu Thu Feb 12 08:52:46 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:52:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] {FOT} Not Triumph related Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945127F44A9C8@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Looks so good from where I sit I may have to start watching more Indy Racing. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 12 08:53:32 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:53:32 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That skinny little body has paid some dues that most of those ladies in beach attire would never comprehend. I bet there's more than just dimples. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:50 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Photo 22 of 34: > > And who noticed that little dimple just below her right knee? I > wonder if > she has to hold herself centered in the cockpit by knee-bracing > herself like > we garden variety drivers do. > > RT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:28 AM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... > > Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. > > On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, >> lang at isis.mit.edu writes: >> >> >>> Too skinny. >>> >> >> Too skinny for what? >> >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From cofrog at q.com Thu Feb 12 09:30:09 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:30:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: OMG Tony. More non-Triumph related posts! > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:27:09 -0600> To: fot at autox.team.net> From: tony at tonydrews.com> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for > this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this...> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=ye s> > - Tony D> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:21:46 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > That skinny little body has paid some dues that most of those ladies > in beach attire would never comprehend. I bet there's more than just > dimples. Absolutely! There's talent and smarts inside that gorgeous package... My, how times have changed... It was shocking for some just a few years ago to just see Janet Guthrie and Lynn St. James in Nomex... You go girl! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From alleycatrace at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:51:18 2009 From: alleycatrace at gmail.com (Daryll Clark) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oversized Water Pump Pulley for TR3 Message-ID: I am in need of an oversized water pump pulley for my TR3A race car. Anybody know where to get one? Daryll Clark From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Feb 12 11:08:42 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:08:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <000601c98d3c$f0d058b0$d2710a10$@com> Gee, Lunker, having spent some time with you and knowing what part of the country you're from and how close you are to "Area 51", I'm not sure you COULD prove you're from this planet! LOL Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: Craig Cc: 'Bill Babcock'; 'FOT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" MORE rules? Do I have to PROVE I'm from this planet? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like >> this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules >> of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are >> allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue >> other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. >> >> Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo >> that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the >> street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license >> plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. >> Maybe even a radio. >> >> You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: >> >>> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >>> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >>> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >>> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >>> URL : >>> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? >>> queryinput=216.175.115.151 >>> Comment: >>> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >>> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >>> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >>> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >>> >>> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >>> >>> You can see all comments on this post here: >>> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:12 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:02:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oversized Water Pump Pulley for TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902121002o472fcebpbe5ba1578f0abc3c@mail.gmail.com> See this ebay seller: http://stores.ebay.com/standard-performance On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Daryll Clark wrote: > I am in need of an oversized water pump pulley for my TR3A race car. > Anybody > know where to get one? > Daryll Clark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Feb 12 11:26:41 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:26:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000c01c98d3f$73e47d60$5bad7820$@com> Hey Tony, thanks for the great photos and video of the 427 Cobra!! That girl kept getting in the way though. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y es - Tony D Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Feb 13 07:02:52 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:02:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, Bob is talking about the tires on the Cobra. Danica is perfect. I love her Fire, Passion and Determination. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y es Too skinny. :-0 > - Tony D rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09 18:46:00 From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 09:32:25 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:32:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, honey. Thats my screensaver because I liked the car color. You shouldnt jumpt to conclusions like that. Jeeeze, I cant win... Marty> From: fasttrs at mindspring.com> To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tony at tonydrews.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:02:52 -0600> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > Guys, Bob is talking about the tires on the Cobra.> Danica is perfect. I love her Fire, Passion and Determination.> > Mike> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On> Behalf Of Robert Lang> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM> To: Tony Drews> Cc: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote:> > > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick> was > > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this...> >> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y> es> > Too skinny.> > :-0> > > - Tony D> > rml> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09> 18:46:00> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 From dave at microworks.net Fri Feb 13 09:36:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090213163703.7AC1218766F@autox.team.net> Anybody want a copy of SI signed by Danica? HeHe... A neighbor of mine owns a swimming pool service company and Danica is one of his clients. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Feb 13 11:58:38 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Just for Fun Message-ID: <2A4210B9F68F46C890FB94AC4DDA7B78@joepentiumnew> Take this Car Quiz http://www.cramersweeney.com/brandprix/ Joe C. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:46:43 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:46:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] help, please! Message-ID: <000601c98eaa$ac11ec10$6701a8c0@HP> Speaking of simple things, are the carb pistons free to seat. Did you make sure to release and center the jet on the needle before tightening the jet in place. If it binds and the piston does not seat, all you need is a rich mixture to get a fast idle... M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:56:44 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paint Codes Red Message-ID: <000801c98eac$12193210$6701a8c0@HP> Since I am rebuilding the engine, I thought I would repaint the engine compartment in advance of a repaint of the car in the next few years. I am absolutely dizzy with paint codes. I think I have found the PPG codes, but the correct red for each year back to 57 is quite sketchy. I painted the car in the early 80s but it turned out more orange red than the color the car was. What I have learned is that there is three potential colors Triumph Red (I think this is the orange-red color my car was painted) Signal Red Sunset Red Everyone I know is using printed color charts off the internet. Seems there are a lot of Signal Red '57s on the internet and left to my own devices I would probably choose that color. Any one else wrestle with this? Now I know what my wife went through picking her china pattern. I wish I could mine the gold they use in red these days to justify the cost of the paint!!! M From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Feb 14 07:22:26 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago area swap meet Message-ID: <4996D3A2.7000609@bright.net> Greetings list. Next Sunday, Feb. 22, is the Chicago British swap meet.We will be there with a booth, our usual spot in building #2. If anyone needs me to bring something to the meet, please let me know. Please have your order in by next Friday - packing and leaving on Saturday. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 14 18:59:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:59:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [SVC] the doctor's office Message-ID: <27289477AF97443D93986975BB18AAEC@Bud> this is on topic because he drove there in a Triumph Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: [SVC] the doctor's office ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: [SVC] the doctor's office So the old man goes in for his usual checkup...The receptionist is always rude to him and embarrasses him greatly...This time he is prepared for her..... When he approaches the receptionist she blurts out loudly "Well Mr. Jones, I suppose you're having trouble with your bowel movements again"! He replies...."Nope..I'm here for a sex change operation, but I don't want the same doctor that did yours!" Racer Bud --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sonoma Valley Cyclists" group. To post to this group, send email to sonoma-valley-cyclists at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sonoma-valley-cyclists+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sonoma-valley-cyclists?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Feb 14 22:43:30 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:43:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bugeye Race Car for Sale Message-ID: <4997AB82.1010909@greenheart.com> Spotted this on Craig's List.... Just passing it along. Seems like a lot for the money. --Justin The 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye/Frogeye" Sprite, is a rust free car from California, originally raced in the 1960s in HP class, with SCCA in California. Recent restoration racing history with VARA (California) in FP class. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1025325527.html From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 15 08:27:49 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness Message-ID: <000801c98f81$f6853d10$6701a8c0@HP> I am not sure why but I can't for the life of me find the uncut thickness of a TR3 head which I know is in my documentation somewhere because I looked it up last summer. Does anyone have this dimension at their finger tips? Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 15 08:36:50 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Seems like there ought to be a separate class for people with a stronger "Vintage" ethic but where do you draw the line? It always comes to shades of grey e.g. I-did-not-have-have-sex-with-THAT-woman. A true vintage specimine that blows up at 6500k and consumes all the vintage TR3 rods vs a Miata with a tr3 rear view mirror... ...from the peanut gallery... M From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 15 09:20:11 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness In-Reply-To: <000801c98f81$f6853d10$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <20090215162011.YCIK4162.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > I am not sure why but I can't for the life of me find the > uncut thickness of a > TR3 head which I know is in my documentation somewhere > because I looked it up last summer. Does anyone have this > dimension at their finger tips? I think it depends on whether it's an early or late TR3. I have 3.330" for the later "high port" head. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 10:28:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:28:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: You know, there really is. The fact that a guy with a NASCAR Triumph finishes in front and you finish in the back doesn't change the situation. Almost all races lump racer classifications together, and people who want to win (like me) want to win overall, not win their class. I need to beat those Loti, Listers and Chapparals, regardless of the class they're in. I'm not racing against guys with stock Triumphs, I'm racing against guys who have done all that I have done, or all that has been done to their cars over the years. We're just on the track at the same time. I'm not foolish enough to think that i beat you, or to think it matters that Peyote is a lot faster than a "true vintage Triumph. It's always a question of who YOU beat, whether you've been having a duel with a guy in 23rd place all season, and finally passed him, or you beat the guy in second, who usually beats you. If we didn't want to win we wouldn't race. The fun is the same, the rewards are the same. The only difference is which demons drive the driver. And finally there are a few vintage organizations with very strict rules. They usually don't have enough members to run independently, so they operate at existing races run under other organizations. You can always start your own, and give out your own trophies, have your own award ceremony. And still have access to all the races anyone else does. In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. On Feb 15, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seems like there ought to be a separate class for people with a > stronger > "Vintage" ethic but where do you draw the line? It always comes to > shades of > grey e.g. I-did-not-have-have-sex-with-THAT-woman. > > A true vintage specimine that blows up at 6500k and consumes all the > vintage > TR3 rods vs a Miata with a tr3 rear view mirror... > > ...from the peanut gallery... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Feb 15 11:31:51 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:31:51 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: In a message dated 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the > people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond > to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so > important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even > an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. > Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. > Amici... I follow and appreciate the points Babcock makes here. I can't speak for all 'people' and what they are doing, nor even just the VSCDA for that matter, but I can tell you that the VSCDA's 'era correct' program was started because a significant number of our members complained that we were ignoring our own long standing 'vintage' rules. As a matter of fact, an outgrowth of the 'era correct' program was actually a loosening of the rules via allowing Mod 1 and Mod 2 classifications in our production based Race Groups 2 and 8. Clearly those changes were liberal not conservative. But a problem always comes up whenever anyone decides to 'draw a line'. "We're going to draw the line HERE." When you do that...immediately someone asks, "Why did you draw it HERE? Why not draw it THERE?" As the long time Treasurer of the VSCDA (soon to step down, I might add), no one knows better than I the importance of filling out grids in order to make events financially successful. It is a must. But that doesn't have to be a problem. I have always felt that vintage racing is blessed because it does try to find a way to accommodate different levels of both preparation and even skill. And I would hasten to add that those folks dicing in the back of the pack are having just as much fun as those in the front. I often think about when I raced in the vintage sessions of the 12 Hours of Sebring a few years back. Because all the vintage cars run in one race group you can imagine there was a vast difference in performance through out the field. At one of the Driver's Meetings, Pendergast was chastising two Saab Sonnet racers for being two abreast on the track. He said, "No one wants to see two Saab Sonnets dicing at Sebring." I knew what he meant, and why he said it, but as a matter of fact, from a strict racing point of view those two Saabs may have been the closest dicing in the entire field. And while the front runners get most of the attention, such disparity is traditional in sports car road racing. The first overall winner at Sebring was a Crosley Hot Shot (a handicap'd race). Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 12:02:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:02:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: Message-ID: <28CF3CF5E58C401E9B64C210573D1B7C@Bud> It's not really all 'about the cars'...that's just what we're supposed to say.... It's a blend of the cars...the racing...the friendship....the ego.....lets face it...what % of our population does what we do?....it is really cool stuff ....we should be proud of ourselves for taking on the challenge....we are on the inside, so it's everyday life for us...there are many, many people out there who have the financial means and the time and skills available ..who would like to be a race driver...but just don't have that special something that gets them out on the track.....I'ts not for your average person! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > In a message dated 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the >> people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond >> to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so >> important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even >> an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. >> Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. >> > > Amici... > > I follow and appreciate the points Babcock makes here. I can't speak for > all > 'people' and what they are doing, nor even just the VSCDA for that matter, > but I can tell you that the VSCDA's 'era correct' program was started > because a > significant number of our members complained that we were ignoring our own > long standing 'vintage' rules. As a matter of fact, an outgrowth of the > 'era > correct' program was actually a loosening of the rules via allowing Mod 1 > and Mod > 2 classifications in our production based Race Groups 2 and 8. Clearly > those > changes were liberal not conservative. But a problem always comes up > whenever anyone decides to 'draw a line'. "We're going to draw the line > HERE." When > you do that...immediately someone asks, "Why did you draw it HERE? Why > not > draw it THERE?" > > As the long time Treasurer of the VSCDA (soon to step down, I might add), > no > one knows better than I the importance of filling out grids in order to > make > events financially successful. It is a must. But that doesn't have to be > a > problem. I have always felt that vintage racing is blessed because it > does try > to find a way to accommodate different levels of both preparation and even > skill. And I would hasten to add that those folks dicing in the back of > the pack > are having just as much fun as those in the front. I often think about > when > I raced in the vintage sessions of the 12 Hours of Sebring a few years > back. > Because all the vintage cars run in one race group you can imagine there > was a > vast difference in performance through out the field. At one of the > Driver's > Meetings, Pendergast was chastising two Saab Sonnet racers for being two > abreast on the track. He said, "No one wants to see two Saab Sonnets > dicing at > Sebring." I knew what he meant, and why he said it, but as a matter of > fact, > from a strict racing point of view those two Saabs may have been the > closest > dicing in the entire field. And while the front runners get most of the > attention, such disparity is traditional in sports car road racing. The > first overall > winner at Sebring was a Crosley Hot Shot (a handicap'd race). > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > ************** > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 12:34:53 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:34:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. I drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success is for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other guys; other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at about my speed. Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid for me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety stuff) just isn't part of my sport. I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man thing. Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has been very little control over who does what to their car. Richard From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 13:04:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:04:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out > there. I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are > seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest > success is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can > still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of > other guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run > at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? > No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no > limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out > of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a > grid for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the > manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause > driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than > safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an > old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past > there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 13:09:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. > I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success > is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other > guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid > for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 13:32:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:32:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: Too true. I've had people throw up in my car, I've had them cry, I've had to help them out and almost carry them to a bench, all while i was "taking it easy' and just showing them the track, and maybe dicing a little with someone "just for fun". Really. Throw up. In my old 355-- one reason why I got a 360. Of course when I sit in the passenger seat I do all three. A good reason not to give me a ride in your car. Here's a typical reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vY3QyVNto&feature=related On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race > Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get > the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than > the average spectator has a clue about!.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" > > To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Feb 15 13:35:49 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:35:49 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:34:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 15 14:07:00 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390902151307s22bf8434r7837c2bde4d17468@mail.gmail.com> AWESOME! One day... One day... A. 2009/2/15 > My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved > Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, > > His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 15 14:11:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:11:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep - there are some people who won't never do a run with me again. They are always surprised how fast these slow cars are when you sit in and have 4 wheels off the ground. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Februar 2009 21:36 An: budscars at comcast.net; tarch at bellsouth.net; Billb at bnj.com; markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:34:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye lp00000003) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 14:22:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <360B1EBFE56A4FEBAF5DE539EF17B7F9@Bud> there's nothin' like being a passenger in a race car going over a blind hill/curve..wooohoo! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Richard Taylor" ; "'Mark Eginton'" ; Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Too true. I've had people throw up in my car, I've had them cry, I've had > to help them out and almost carry them to a bench, all while i was > "taking it easy' and just showing them the track, and maybe dicing a > little with someone "just for fun". Really. Throw up. In my old 355-- > one reason why I got a 360. Of course when I sit in the passenger seat I > do all three. A good reason not to give me a ride in your car. > > Here's a typical reaction: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vY3QyVNto&feature=related > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race >> Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the >> picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the >> average spectator has a clue about!.. >> Racer Bud >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" > > >> To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" >> > > >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 15 14:23:59 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:23:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Message-ID: <4362ae390902151323m2ffc3a66u923035127f126ac1@mail.gmail.com> So what do you run? High octane pump fuel or race fuel? Huh huh huh. For that matter what does a race weekend run you? I'm desktop racing right now. Reading, making notes and figuring out what this dream will cost me. Dayton 500 is mind numbing :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 15 14:43:02 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:43:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP><13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <521D01B8E0844FA488F38D417802BE27@KasPC> Nothing beats being on the right side of the pit wall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Richard Taylor" ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race > Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the > picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average > spectator has a clue about!.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Taylor" > To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > >> As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car >> spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him >> >> My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. >> I >> drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a >> Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are >> seldom >> for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success >> is >> for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a >> mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can >> still >> race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other >> guys; >> other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at >> about my speed. >> >> Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I >> could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to >> the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of >> an >> old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid >> for >> me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner >> that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. >> >> All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause >> driver's >> concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning >> bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety >> stuff) just isn't part of my sport. >> >> I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was >> Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man >> thing. >> >> Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has >> been very little control over who does what to their car. >> >> Richard >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 15:12:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:12:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fuel References: <4362ae390902151323m2ffc3a66u923035127f126ac1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my racing Spitfire i use leaded race fuel, approximetely 110-112 octane.....I think it's CRC...i get it from a guy who brings it to the races in drums..it has noticeably more punch than the Sunoco race gas...and....I have been told that the Sunoco has an additive that eats up fuel bladders.... I have also been told that Low Lead aviation gas has more lead than leaded race gas? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel > So what do you run? > High octane pump fuel or race fuel? > > Huh huh huh. > > For that matter what does a race weekend run you? > > I'm desktop racing right now. > Reading, making notes and figuring out what this dream will cost me. > > Dayton 500 is mind numbing :) > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 15:14:14 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: I'm 73. But let me tell you about the difference between 62 and 73. It's not exactly the book-match reverse of your first 11 years, but in some respects it's not far off. Ask some of the other old goats. As for passing the Mantle of Wisdom, don't hold your breath. Last year I earned second place in the regional ARHMA series in Vintage Motocross. I ride my old Maico 400 that I bought new in '73. And, yes, that feeling waiting for the gate to drop hasn't change one iota. As with the Triumph, my MO is to ride with persistence and make few mistakes. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:04 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: 'Mark Eginton'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. I drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success is for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other guys; other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at about my speed. Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid for me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety stuff) just isn't part of my sport. I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man thing. Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has been very little control over who does what to their car. Richard Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 17:22:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:22:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tony Rodriquez Message-ID: <5BE6F41433B046D1B246A2C273C9AA3C@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Fw: Tony Rodriquez Hello Gang... Tony is a very active Triumph guy out here....His dad was Alva Rodriques, who I bought my 1st Triumph racecar from in 1970 looks like Tony and his family need some help/support. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Karyn Gibbon To: David B Hammond Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Tony From: "David Riker" Date: February 10, 2009 7:11:10 PM GMT-07:00 To: Subject: [Spridgets] FYI Northern California Listers I know several of you have ventured to Chico, CA over the years for their All British Car Meet, that has been held pretty much without fail for the last 20 years. For the most part, the survival of the British Car scene in Chico and that meet pretty well owe it's existence to Tony Rodriguez, the long time owner of Economy Foriegn Car Parts, in Chico. This past month, Tony, who is only about 50 years old, was diagnosed with stage four cancerous brain tumors. The prognosis is not good, and at this time, I'm told Tony is physically doing ok, but is forgetfull and easily confused. Being self-employed, Tony has very limited health care insurance. He has a wife, and two sons, 17 and 21. I've witnessed the outpouring of good will from this list for strangers before, and am hoping I can rally some help, however small for Tony. I know that without his influence and help over the years, I probably would not have found or hung on to my love of LBC's. Can someone who has done this before advise me on how to set up a fund on his behalf? I've heard much complaints about PayPal, so I'm unsure if that is the route to go. Also, if you need to order any british car parts, his lone employee, Mike, is trying to keep the store open, as that is the family source of income. They source parts from all the usual places and then some. The business phone is 530-342-1821. Mike can ship anywhere. I'm sorry this is so jumbled up, but my thoughts are spinning a mile a minute. Tony has been a good friend. I've lost friends and relatives before, but never known ahead of time that it is coming. I'm two states away now and may not get to see him again. David Riker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as wbmcleod at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billdentin at aol.com Sun Feb 15 17:49:18 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:49:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP><13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8CB5DE788BB2A18-FA0-20D8@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <<< Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. >>> Bill... Richard probably doesn't know Diane, and how she's worn you out. Bill (Damdinger) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 19:32:41 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:32:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: How cool is that, I love Maicos. I still have my Yamaha 360 MX that I bought new in 74 (I think) On Feb 15, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Im 73. > > But let me tell you about the difference between 62 and 73. Its not > exactly the book-match reverse of your first 11 years, but in some > respects its not far off. Ask some of the other old goats. > > As for passing the Mantle of Wisdom, dont hold your breath. Last > year I earned second place in the regional ARHMA series in Vintage > Motocross. I ride my old Maico 400 that I bought new in 73. And, > yes, that feeling waiting for the gate to drop hasnt change one > iota. As with the Triumph, my MO is to ride with persistence and > make few mistakes. > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > 112 Krog St. Suite 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > tel: (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:04 PM > To: Richard Taylor > Cc: 'Mark Eginton'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? > I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it > would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare > for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were > younger than me. > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > > > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out > there. I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are > seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest > success is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can > still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of > other guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run > at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? > No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no > limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out > of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a > grid for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the > manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause > driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than > safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an > old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past > there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun Feb 15 21:59:51 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:59:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple of problems in all this. I know that some folks see a slow car as a guy who may be enjoying a piece of automotive history. That aint everybody. 1. In New Mexico where I should be racing, lack of entries has driven organizers to allow flares and slicks to run in the "vintage races". Where do you draw the line? Anywhere? Should I now put slicks on? Screw the five speed 8" wide rims will do a lot better than that. 2. Vintage racing is about a passion for racing old cars that have been passed on by the march of technology. Yes there has to be financial viability but this doesn't mean selling out. I will pay more and travel farther to go to a quality event rather than hang around town to go to my lowest cost alternative. 3. Vintage racing periodicals celebrate those who violate the vintage spirit by describing the exploits of the guys who win the races. These reports are never interspersed with comments like "but he was cheating with flares and slicks". 4. I hear spectators and drivers of fast cars complaining about slower cars, making comments like "why's that guy even out there?" "or he shold have someone walking in front of him waving a red flag". Hmmmm what else? I'm sure I've heard more. It's not a situation wheree everybody's in love with each other. 5. The most enjoyable events I have been to are where the playing field is a little more level. the field doesn't get so spread out and ther is not as much lapping. Just another fvive cents worth, Henry Morrison From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 22:10:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:10:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: Message-ID: Hi Henry.... I think that a National governing group will work....Due to the economical mess right now...It's not currently feasable....but...It's a Perfect time to start building the infrastructure.....when grids are thin...no hurry....and lots of time to do it right.... It has now begun Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >A couple of problems in all this. I know that some folks see a slow car as >a > guy who may be enjoying a piece of automotive history. That aint > everybody. > > 1. In New Mexico where I should be racing, lack of entries has driven > organizers to allow flares and slicks to run in the "vintage races". > Where do > you draw the line? Anywhere? Should I now put slicks on? Screw the five > speed 8" wide rims will do a lot better than that. 2. Vintage racing is > about a passion for racing old cars that have been passed on by the march > of > technology. Yes there has to be financial viability but this doesn't mean > selling out. I will pay more and travel farther to go to a quality event > rather than hang around town to go to my lowest cost alternative. > > 3. Vintage racing periodicals celebrate those who violate the vintage > spirit > by describing the exploits of the guys who win the races. These reports > are > never interspersed with comments like "but he was cheating with flares and > slicks". > > 4. I hear spectators and drivers of fast cars complaining about slower > cars, > making comments like "why's that guy even out there?" "or he shold have > someone walking in front of him waving a red flag". Hmmmm what else? > I'm > sure I've heard more. It's not a situation wheree everybody's in love > with > each other. > > 5. The most enjoyable events I have been to are where the playing field > is a > little more level. the field doesn't get so spread out and ther is not as > much lapping. > > Just another fvive cents worth, Henry Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Feb 16 08:09:31 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Message-ID: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm From dave at microworks.net Mon Feb 16 08:52:23 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bunch of LBC being sold Message-ID: <20090216155443.D1F0C187650@autox.team.net> And old friend of mine is selling a bunch of his cars. Including this restored Triumph Vanguard that he has listed on eBay. His phone number is listed below. Please contact him and not me as I have no further info... >Click here: eBay Motors: Triumph (item 120378231389 end time >Feb-20-09 14:43:33 PST) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1956-Triumph-Standard-Vanguard-3-Sportsman_W0QQitemZ120378231389QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item120378231389&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 The rest of the cars... 1956 TRIUMPH VANGUARD SPORTSMAN 4 DOOR SALOON. TR-3 ENGINE, 3 SPEED ON THE TREE WITH OVERDRIVE IN SECOND AND THIRD, BEAUTIFUL RED AND SILVER PAINT, LEATHER INTERIOR, TOTALLY RARE, UNIQUE, AND COOL! THIS WAS THE NEW YORK SHOW CAR IN 1956! TONS OF PAPERS, DOCUMENTS. AND SOME SPARES. $8500 FIRM. PHILIP, 602 376 1868 1978 TRIUMPH SPITFIRE. NICE RED PAINT, 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION WITH DESIREABLE OVERDRIVE, NEW WHITE WALL TIRES, NICE INTERIOR, ADJUSTABLE REAR AIR SHOCKS, 120K MILES, NEW CLUTCH. INCLUDES TONNEAU COVER AND PARADE BOOT. 99.9 % RUST FREE, A REALLY NICE SPITFIRE! ASKING $6500 FIRM. PHILIP 602 376 1868 1977 TRUIMPH TR-7 COUPE. 66K MILES, BRG, 5 SPEED, AND FACTORY AIR CONDITIONING THAT ACTUALLY WORKS! THIS TRIUMPH WAS IN LAUGHLIN AT TRIUMPH FEST LAST YEAR. ONE OF THE BEST ONES LEFT! ASKING $4000 FIRM. PHILIP 602 376 1868 1964 MG MIDGET ROAD RACER OR DRAG CAR. SPEEDWELL FIBERGLASS BONNETT, ROLL BAR, 1380 CC, STRAIGHT CUT CLOSE RATIO GEAR BOX, 4.87 REAR PUMPKIN, FIRE BOTTLE, AUTOMETER GUAGES, INCREDIBLY FAST! CURRENTLY SET UP AS A STRAIGHT LINE CAR, IT WOULD TAKE A WEEKEND OR SO TO CONVERT TO A ROAD COURSE RACER. THOUSANDS INVESTED, ASKING $7000 FIRM. PHILIP 602 376 1868 From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Feb 16 09:04:32 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor-Points Message-ID: <20090216160452.B87E518765B@autox.team.net> I know we touched on this subject before but I neglected to write it down. I am installing a Mallory mechanical dual point distributor in my TR6 racecar project. I know the stock TR6 distributor points are set at .015 but aren't the Mallory dual points set differently? If anyone could please review this with me I'd appreciate it. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 38894 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Feb 16 09:25:59 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <242158.68735.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, but it wasn't kinetic energy...it was an additional burst of fuel which you were carrying anyway. They said it gives an additional 85 h.p. I'm curious if it's occasional use is worth the additional weight and complexity.With less down-force it may be limited to short bursts down straights. -Ed- --- On Mon, 2/16/09, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: AW: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, "'FOT'" Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:16 AM This "push to pass" will be an interesting thing for F1. Remembers me to Champ cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:10 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 09:24:53 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Going green? I'd like to see the FIA measure fuel consumption in each F1 car and at the end of the race add/subtract time based on fuel economy and thus shuffle the finishing results! Added drama for the crowd to hang around at the end! I used to work F1 at the Glen, Detroit and Dallas GPs and attended every one in Montreal (and 2 at Silverstone) till I stopped with 2007. Enough is enough. I'm going to the Mitty at Road Atlanta (where I worked the final 19 SCCA runoffs there, '75-'94) in May! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 16 09:16:11 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This "push to pass" will be an interesting thing for F1. Remembers me to Champ cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:10 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 11:54:43 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:54:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Message-ID: As usual, "Green F1" is a demonstration, not a reality. Analogous to people driving their Prius to the airport. The infield at F1 is where the fuel gets used. Here in Maui I do standup paddle surfing, and I've started racing my board in distance events. The Maui to Molokai race is coming up. What could be more green than a bunch of people on surfboards and outrigger canoes paddling across the channel. Well perhaps the fact that each paddler needs a chase boat casts little pall on that. It would be far more "green" to load everyone into the superferry and blast across the channel. On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Going green? > I'd like to see the FIA measure fuel consumption in each F1 car and > at the > end of the race add/subtract time based on fuel economy and thus > shuffle the > finishing results! From REK46 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 11:56:59 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:56:59 EST Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Message-ID: watch out for green sharks ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=6 68072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=febemailfooterNO62) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 12:09:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:09:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Message-ID: <6739C3FF-6D54-49D5-B9D1-9EC2A74BA31F@bnj.com> Incidentally, I think next season in F1 is going to be spectacular. The looming financial issues or reduced sponsorship dollars is probably the biggest concern. It could break F1's back. On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > As usual, "Green F1" is a demonstration, not a reality. Analogous to > people driving their Prius to the airport. The infield at F1 is > where the fuel gets used. > > Here in Maui I do standup paddle surfing, and I've started racing my > board in distance events. The Maui to Molokai race is coming up. > What could be more green than a bunch of people on surfboards and > outrigger canoes paddling across the channel. Well perhaps the fact > that each paddler needs a chase boat casts little pall on that. It > would be far more "green" to load everyone into the superferry and > blast across the channel. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Feb 16 19:04:21 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Feb 16 19:06:32 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. Mike Cook> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] What car is this?> > Hi all!> > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg> > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name.> > Thanks for any help!> > Susan :)> > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." **> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 19:08:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:08:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:10:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:10:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> Gogomobile? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:15:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:15:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <1D046E6E711F4B20817323436CB28BB9@Bud> It looks kind of ...BORGWARDISH... Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:17:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:17:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <07695F29E706410FAFEFF81B8BA76BE9@Bud> Just one polite bit of advice Susan...If that car looks familiar you'd better start being careful of who you hang out with! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billdentin at aol.com Mon Feb 16 19:15:53 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <8CB5EBCCB8A75B9-EFC-25D5@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> <<< Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. >>> Gosh! I've always been Pro-Life until I saw that. Bill (Damdinger) From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Feb 16 19:19:30 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:19:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> Message-ID: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Brutsch Mopetta, circa 1958. Do I win a prize? Cheers, Kurt O. (Who is 6'-4", 260lbs and used to drive a '64 Mini) RACER BUD wrote: > Gogomobile? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11770 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:20:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <669AF91D3364466C89D6A19D8CBD4AD3@Bud> now you've done it Susan..I have made it my desktop background....just when i thought I might become normal! Thanks for saving me! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is > smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 19:22:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:22:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Message-ID: wow, I looked in the Microcar Museum site but didn't find it for some reason. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Brutsch Mopetta Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:24:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:24:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <8CB5EBCCB8A75B9-EFC-25D5@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <655A8408CA384DDF8C79E518312674AC@Bud> we need more of this stuff...I'm gonna send it to my bicycling group..maybe they will get a sense of humor from it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > <<< Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. >>> > > Gosh! I've always been Pro-Life until I saw that. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 19:27:50 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:27:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: Brutsch Mopetta I think there were only 14 made. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:04 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 02/15/09 18:09:00 From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon Feb 16 19:37:25 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <499A22E5.1070903@bright.net> This may be what happens when 5 speeds are not allowed. Ted Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:41:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <499A22E5.1070903@bright.net> Message-ID: <57E5CFAEBA9646D59CBD7D99623DD2F1@Bud> I think i was behind one of those on the pace lap at a recent race..It looks slow....but...look carefully and you'll see the slot where the Wings come out! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > This may be what happens when 5 speeds are not allowed. Ted > > > > Susan Kahler wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: >> 02/16/09 18:31:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 19:42:49 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here it is http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html Bruce also has a TR6 that has 30 miles on it. I was there a couple of years ago when he took delivery on a McLaren F1. If any of you go to The Mitty this year you may want to plan an extra day trip down to his museum. It is a few miles south of Madison Georgia. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:23 PM To: Kurt Oblinger Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? wow, I looked in the Microcar Museum site but didn't find it for some reason. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Brutsch Mopetta Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 02/15/09 18:09:00 From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Feb 16 19:47:49 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:47:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <499A2555.1050009@greenheart.com> http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/dec/02/images/dale-cartoon.jpg --Justin From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Feb 16 19:59:28 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Message-ID: <499A2810.9090108@141.com> Oh, wow, Kurt! GREAT job! Mopetta was familiar but I never would have remembered the Brutsch part. Thank you! Um, you win one free year's membership to the FOT! Thanks, Susan :) Kurt Oblinger wrote: Brutsch Mopetta, circa 1958. Do I win a prize? Cheers, Kurt O. (Who is 6'-4", 260lbs and used to drive a '64 Mini) RACER BUD wrote: Gogomobile? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 2/15/2009 6:0 9 PM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 20:09:28 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:09:28 EST Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. ==AM== In most countries, I believe the name translates to "Serious Lapse in Judgment"! Finally, though, insects on the highway have a fighting chance against a motor vehicle.... ;-) --Andy Mace (yeah, I know, look who's talkin' trash about slow minicars....) *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 20:15:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:15:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: Message-ID: Ok...this is too much fun...you are all responsible for my enchiladas burning!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > ==AM== > In most countries, I believe the name translates to "Serious Lapse in > Judgment"! Finally, though, insects on the highway have a fighting chance > against a > motor vehicle.... ;-) > > --Andy Mace (yeah, I know, look who's talkin' trash about slow > minicars....) > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose > how > to find them. Start with AOL Personals. > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Mon Feb 16 21:45:01 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <7AD9ED27A1FF4CBCB238B2A96D45EC61@KasPC> Is that being skip bombed? It looks like something left over from WW 2 and the "Dam Busters". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is > smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Feb 17 10:17:01 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 11:03:17 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <380-22009221718317219@M2W032.mail2web.com> That was the Peel P50. I want one of those, too. ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: dos_gusanos at msn.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] What car is this? I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From koblinger at verizon.net Tue Feb 17 11:03:55 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <1781628156.15989631234893835385.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> That was a Peel P50. One of my favorite segments from Top Gear. Watch for your self... http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear---Peel-P50_139353.htm Cheers, Kurt O. (I am the Stig's large American cousin) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: > I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of > these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com B > To: fot at autox.team.net > B Subject: > [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > B > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > B > http://www.fot-racing.com B > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net B > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > B > Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Feb 17 11:44:58 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:44:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <200902171145122.SM09700@[166.70.182.40]> In case ya'll haven't noticed, Susan likes cars.......:) -----Original Message----- From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" Sent 2/17/2009 11:03:17 AM To: dos_gusanos at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this?That was the Peel P50. I want one of those, too. ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: dos_gusanos at msn.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] What car is this? I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 17 11:52:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:52:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <686C5C6F-B74E-440E-B633-5E4F03A6A098@bnj.com> I do love microcars, especially the ones that look like a sidecar that has misplaced it's motorcycle. Unfortunately they are made for people whose growth was stunted by war year rationing. I stick out of them like a circus bear. On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:17 AM, wrote: > I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of > these > around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can > stand it > up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > >> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] What car is this? From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 14:54:33 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:54:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? Message-ID: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought bronze guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling out. Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but if this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze to risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 15:22:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:22:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? References: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: Hi jim..you might contact Carl Stirtz at Stirtz machine in Oakland...He has been doing this stuff for about 40 years..i think you've met Carl.(he's got the 2 formula juniors that i think you've seen at the track)...and he's very reasonable...he does my stuff..i just spoke to him, and he said that it makes for tighter clearance in a race engine...he put them in mine....they don't last any longer..he used to put them in street engines when bad gas 1st came out, but he doesn't anymore...he'd be glad to talk to you..Carl Stirtz..510 536 2772..oakland ca. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? >I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to > go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought > bronze > guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep > for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze > guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new > fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze > guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the > different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling > out. > Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. > Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but > if > this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze > to > risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Feb 17 16:37:43 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Message-ID: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 16:50:17 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:50:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: that's terrific news! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 18:35:06 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Bud says he'll test her, too. Susan :) RACER BUD wrote: that's terrific news! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 2/16/2009 6:3 1 PM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Feb 17 18:43:22 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft porn star she will be good at neither. Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? Not much. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 18:55:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Message-ID: thanks Susan..for the vote of confidence...another Triumph! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Bud says he'll test her, too. > Susan :) > RACER BUD wrote: > > that's terrific news! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: > 2/16/2009 6:3 > 1 PM > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 18:57:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:57:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Message-ID: <8D7CAB56404940879862BBDDDC52A333@Bud> Hey Gang...If Danica gets an F1 ride...will it be a Triumph? Racer Bud.. heading for... ..Vaudeville! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Bud says he'll test her, too. > Susan :) > RACER BUD wrote: > > that's terrific news! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: > 2/16/2009 6:3 > 1 PM > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 19:03:17 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New home track!?! Message-ID: <499B6C65.4050208@141.com> I was giving a presentation for work last night and was talking with a fellow car nut there. He asked if I had heard of the Bluegrass Motorsports Park and I had not. I looked it up: It's brand new (grand opening in the spring) and only 100 miles away! Here's their Web site: http://www.drivebluegrass.com/ They have two current road-race configurations, one a 2.5 miles course and one a 1.32 mile kart circuit. Their reservation page says all weekend are booked for 2009 but I can't find anything on what's on the schedule. I'll have to give them a call and see who's renting. Looks promising! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 20:09:03 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:09:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Danica Patrick....it is a Triumph..and More Message-ID: <321EDE4FB14F4F9CB6CA557CCD553A53@Bud> Hi Triumph Gang..et al.... When I received the email/news flash about Danica and the F1 possibility...the 1st thing I thought about were my Daughters, Daughters in Law, Grand Daughters, my Girl Friend...my Friends Daughters.&..my.. 87 year old Mom who is full of life and bubbling with the opportunity to learn more about it..My Mom said to me ,.... when I was young....."Buddy....If racing is what you want to do..you should do it"... Thank You Danica....thank you Kids......thank you Mom.....Thank you all very Much!. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 GO DANICA GO! From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 17 20:33:42 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:33:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Feb 17 20:47:18 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:47:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: Yeah....and then you woke up!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and > say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car > driver". I say "talent and humility". > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft >> porn star >> she will be good at neither. >> >> Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? >> >> Not much. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 21:20:07 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:20:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000001c99180$2ebb7b90$8c3272b0$@racer@comcast.net> Bill: I'm surprised your family members don't know you better!! Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:34 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 23:47:38 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:47:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c99194$ca74a840$b1191718@computer> Thanks for all of the comments. As always, they are extremely helpful. Bud, I gave Carl (Stritz Machine in Oakland, CA) a call. He couldn't have been more helpful. Apparently, going back to the early years of unleaded gas, automotive machine shops were having problems with bronze guides loosening up and sometimes dropping out. According to Carl, it is mostly due to the bronze alloy and the gasoline changing that has caused this problem not to have occurred for quite a while. Looks like the shop I am dealing with had a very bad time way back. I got my bronze guides from TRF and I believe that they are some of Richard's. They look good and as always, Richard did a nice job. I will be putting them in. Thanks again, Jim -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:23 PM To: jim hearn; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? Hi jim..you might contact Carl Stirtz at Stirtz machine in Oakland...He has been doing this stuff for about 40 years..i think you've met Carl.(he's got the 2 formula juniors that i think you've seen at the track)...and he's very reasonable...he does my stuff..i just spoke to him, and he said that it makes for tighter clearance in a race engine...he put them in mine....they don't last any longer..he used to put them in street engines when bad gas 1st came out, but he doesn't anymore...he'd be glad to talk to you..Carl Stirtz..510 536 2772..oakland ca. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? >I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to > go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought > bronze > guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep > for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze > guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new > fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze > guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the > different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling > out. > Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. > Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but > if > this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze > to > risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 18 05:25:22 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: Post of the week sir. hehe Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Terry Stetler Cc: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Feb 18 05:55:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:55:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? In-Reply-To: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: My opinion is that bronze valve guids are only useful in aluminum heads. No need to use them in a cast iron head. The risk to have stuck valve is quite high. I would use cast iron valve guides. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von jim hearn Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Februar 2009 22:55 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought bronze guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling out. Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but if this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze to risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Feb 18 07:52:20 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:52:20 EST Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Message-ID: In a message dated 02/17/2009 5:38:37 PM Central Standard Time, dave at microworks.net writes: > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > > They must've seen the SI pictures too. Pretty much everyone wants to test her. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 18 10:35:00 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:35:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The real question is, who in this country is going to put up THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR to field a team with any kind of chance at being competitive? Ferrari, McLaren, and Toyota all spend more than that. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a US team. But I don't want a US team competing for last place honors against Minardi (or whatever moniker they use now). Terry Stetler From pebert1 at wi.rr.com Wed Feb 18 14:59:54 2009 From: pebert1 at wi.rr.com (Paul Ebert) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:59:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1990 Caterham Super Seven In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Caterham with a new chassis that desires a new home. Contact me off line at www.pebert1 at gmail.com or Cell 704-904-1108 Car is in WI. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: help, please! (Mark Eginton) 2. Paint Codes Red (Mark Eginton) 3. Chicago area swap meet (Ted Schumacher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:46:43 -0500 From: "Mark Eginton" Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! To: Message-ID: <000601c98eaa$ac11ec10$6701a8c0 at HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Speaking of simple things, are the carb pistons free to seat. Did you make sure to release and center the jet on the needle before tightening the jet in place. If it binds and the piston does not seat, all you need is a rich mixture to get a fast idle... M ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:56:44 -0500 From: "Mark Eginton" Subject: [Fot] Paint Codes Red To: Message-ID: <000801c98eac$12193210$6701a8c0 at HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since I am rebuilding the engine, I thought I would repaint the engine compartment in advance of a repaint of the car in the next few years. I am absolutely dizzy with paint codes. I think I have found the PPG codes, but the correct red for each year back to 57 is quite sketchy. I painted the car in the early 80s but it turned out more orange red than the color the car was. What I have learned is that there is three potential colors Triumph Red (I think this is the orange-red color my car was painted) Signal Red Sunset Red Everyone I know is using printed color charts off the internet. Seems there are a lot of Signal Red '57s on the internet and left to my own devices I would probably choose that color. Any one else wrestle with this? Now I know what my wife went through picking her china pattern. I wish I could mine the gold they use in red these days to justify the cost of the paint!!! M ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:22:26 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher Subject: [Fot] Chicago area swap meet To: fot at autox.team.net Message-ID: <4996D3A2.7000609 at bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings list. Next Sunday, Feb. 22, is the Chicago British swap meet.We will be there with a booth, our usual spot in building #2. If anyone needs me to bring something to the meet, please let me know. Please have your order in by next Friday - packing and leaving on Saturday. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 *********************************** From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 19 14:29:57 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:29:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominated for Worst Movie of All Time Message-ID: <20090219213946.D10ED187C37@autox.team.net> I have to agree... http://videogum.com/archives/the-hunt-for-the-worst-movie-of-all-time/the-hunt-for-the-worst-movie-o-26_025981.html The Hunt For The Worst Movie Of All Time: Driven Who suggested Driven? Who was it? SHOW YOURSELF! You should all be ashamed. Sure, we're all having a good time talking about these terrible movies and oh ha ha, isn't it funny how Gabe is such a jerk and he was to watch them and he's so stupid and I hate him and wish he would fall down some stairs. But there's a point where it's not funny anymore, and that point is when we're talking about Driven. To paraphrase Sarah Palin, there is a special place in hell for whoever made me watch this movie. Driven is about a young race car driver, Jimmy Bly, who is supposed to be the best race car driver, but lately he's been losing his edge, so Burt Reynolds calls up Sylvester Stallone and is like "I need you to be a race car driver some more," and Sylvester Stallone is like "I am working on a race car in my barn, that's how you know that I am a serious driver." In their first race together on Team Burt Reynolds, Burt Reynolds uses Sylvester Stallone to get in the way of another driver, Beau Brandenburg, so that Jimmy Bly can win. Everyone is happy. Jimmy steals Beau's girlfriend. But then Beau steals his girlfriend back and turns her into his wife. And then Jimmy Bly is bad at racing again and his brother who is also his manager is like "I'm selling you down the river," and Burt Reynolds is like "We're all selling you down the river, Jimmy Bly," and it looks like things are over for Jimmy Bly. Meanwhile, Sylvester Stallone's ex wife Gina Gershon is an asshole. In the final race Jimmy Bly gets one last chance to prove what he's made of or else it's down the river he goes, and at one point it looks like he's going to lose, but then later he wins. Someone opens champagne. There are two things keeping this wretched piece of gasoline-scented nonsense from conclusively winning the title of Worst Movie of All Time: 1. It lacks the failed ambition that I think is the true Hallmark of the most terrible movie. A bad action movie is a bad action movie is a bad action movie. If you're dealing in superficials, then your mistakes are superficial. Granted, Driven is filled with some UNBEARABLE MISTAKES. But more importantly... 2. It's not really a movie. Driven is not a movie. It's almost two hours long, it has movie stars in it, and you watch it on DVD, but it's not a movie. I don't know what it is, I only know what it is not. Take, for example, this clip. Yes, it is long, but eight minutes is a small trade off for the other 108 you're saiving. Now, did you notice how that was FUCKING AWFUL? But if you'll look a little closer, you'll notice a couple of other things. For one, the music NEVER STOPS. The whole movie, there is always music playing, and it's always a little too loud. You have to strain to hear every word of dialogue. Well, you don't have to, I guess. You could sit back and just enjoy the great jams. (You could not sit back and just enjoy the great jams.) It is also of note that all of the race car drivers except for Jimmy Bly and Sylvester Stallone are gay German porn actors. Admittedly, I'm not a racing fan, so maybe that's accurate. Perhaps everyone in NASCAR is a gay German porn actor. There's simply no way for us to know whether or not that's true. Perhaps my favorite part of the whole whatever-Driven-is-because-it's-not-a-movie was the dramatic final race. Jimmy Bly has one final chance to show that he has what it takes to be the best in the world. For a little while, he's doing well, but he starts to have a flame out near the end of the race, which is when his one true friend, Sylvester Stallone, comes to save him. He drives with what were are told is the greatest skills, and eventually damages his car but not before buying Jimmy Bly enough time to pull into the lead. Kind of. Actually, him and the gay German porn racer are neck and neck, and Jimmy wins by a photo finish. That's how we know he's a true champion. Because only a true champion has to have his friend come in and bail him out and even still only barely wins. Behind every legendary hero there is a story of constant, anti-climactic near failure. Although I was probably unimpressed with his tremendous victory only because I'd already seen him succeed when it came time for the dramatic 10 hops. Dramatic hops! Can he get to 10? Sylvester Stallone is like "See? See those hops? Now what." This movie was unacceptable. It is definitely the winner of the Hunt for the Worst Sports-Based Action Movie and Maybe Just Action Movie of All Time, and solidly in the top 5 of our general search. And you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. From mavanlake at fedex.com Thu Feb 19 06:16:59 2009 From: mavanlake at fedex.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:16:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ??? Message-ID: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> What is going to take to get my E-Mail I.D. changed? I sent a request weeks ago and it has not been updated? Form: oldspeed72 at charter.com To: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com MARK A. VAN LAKE FEDEX CORP. SAFETY SO. REGION [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From mark at bradakis.com Fri Feb 20 10:17:10 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ??? In-Reply-To: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> Message-ID: <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Mark wrote: > What is going to take to get my E-Mail I.D. changed? I sent a request weeks > ago and it has not been updated? > > Actually it is pretty easy. At the bottom of every message, or top if you are on digest mode, there is a link to the FOT admin page. You log in, unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new one. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 20 10:26:18 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:26:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 10:35:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:35:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 10:45:27 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > A. > > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 20 11:10:02 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:10:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7ECB38D3-BEFC-421F-9C06-D36B26F226A9@bnj.com> Yikes. what was he doing at the end with all that swerving. Too bad they didn't just put up the raw footage, I would have liked to see the whole race. On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From EDENMA at aol.com Fri Feb 20 12:30:09 2009 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:30:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Nominated for Worst Movie of All Time Message-ID: Well.........Alrighty then!! Cheers! Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 13:15:45 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:15:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Message-ID: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. ~Steve >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:43:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:43:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 for Sale Message-ID: Amici... Paul Fitzsimmons, a long time vintage Bugeye racer and fellow member of the VSCDA Board of Directors, sent me this email about a nice TR6 available for sale. Paul lives in Dubuque, Iowa. I have no personal interest nor knowledge of the car, but would certainly take Paul at his word. Here are the details if anyone has an interest. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-941499f139f326; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:52 -0500 Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.mailhosting.netins.net [167.142.228.77]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-941499f139f326; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:35 -0500 X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [216.43.70.112] (account pfitzsimmons at blairfitzsimmons.com HELO [192.168.1.175]) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPA id 1906327886 for BillDentin at aol.com; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:33:35 -0600 Message-ID: <499F1397.5070300 at blairfitzsimmons.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:33:27 -0600 From: Paul Fitzsimmons User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Dentinger Subject: Re: TR6 for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 167.142.228.77 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A friend of mine has a street TR6 which he wants to sell. It has 44,000 miles, new red line tires, new carpet (I think), and is in mint condition. It did have air conditioning, but he removed it. It has been repainted and is a dark blue. He is asking $12,500.00. Reason for sale is that he is losing his job with the post office after 28 years because they are shutting down the facility where he works. I can probably get photos if someone is interested. Paul F. From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 14:51:35 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390902201351t2d293c7dkee01ba76ba8d1d07@mail.gmail.com> KERS 2009/2/20 steve > What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the > steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort > of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. > > ~Steve > > > >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >> > >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Feb 20 15:00:35 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:00:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 for Sale Message-ID: Do we know what year it is? I have a potential customer looking for a 1976 model. He wants it to be the original Blue. Can't remember if that is Tahiti or which shade. Thanks, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 21 11:57:28 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:57:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The black box might be an heater unit to defog the windscreen. If you really like you can have a full lap of Tim. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/47 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von steve Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 21:16 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. ~Steve >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 22 02:13:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The nerve to go all out? Very simple  racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. It is just enjoyment and you dont care about the possible consequences. Cheers Chris Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From triosan at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:19:46 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:19:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > The nerve to go all out? > Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. > Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a > woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few > seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. > It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. > > Wonderful. > > A. > > 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > > A. > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 22 12:20:11 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:20:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The more I write English the better I get. Hope you never hear me speaking English  terrible! This hard German accent. When I told my wife about my wish to race I said this: If I die you are a rich widow and have choice of milliards of men. What can be better? She agreed and let me go racing in the hope becoming a rich widow after the racing weekend. It is so easy to make women happy. Von: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009 19:20 An: MadMarx Cc: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: The nerve to go all out? Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. Cheers Chris Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Feb 22 12:38:36 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:38:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints to help? Paul This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 22 12:45:32 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> I also have not been able to download this video. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints >to > help? > > Paul > > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 22 12:49:10 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:49:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> References: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> Message-ID: <4EA67680-B9DF-4429-A697-0AE1ED84113A@gt6.ca> Its a Quicktime Movie. A. On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I also have not been able to download this video. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Feb 22 13:05:56 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4EA67680-B9DF-4429-A697-0AE1ED84113A@gt6.ca> Message-ID: I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays at 0% until it shuts off. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: Friends of Triumph Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Its a Quicktime Movie. A. On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I also have not been able to download this video. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 13:34:42 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:34:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife References: Message-ID: i cannot get the movie to work either.... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints >to > help? > > Paul > > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 22 13:52:40 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:52:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? A Sent from my iPod Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > i cannot get the movie to work either.... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billdentin at aol.com Sun Feb 22 14:04:13 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:04:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334><499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com><4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com><4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB63483F8B450D-EEC-42A1@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com> <<< Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is!>> Yeah, (or Ja in Deutchland), but also in both you 'mach snell' at the end. Bill (Damdinger) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > The nerve to go all out? > Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. > Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a > woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few > seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. > It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. > > Wonderful. > > A. > > 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > > A. > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 14:32:18 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:32:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 - is that a stock box? overdrive? On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? > > A > > Sent from my iPod > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca > > On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > >> i cannot get the movie to work either.... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > >> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > >> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> >>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. >>> Any hints to >>> help? >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> This is a nice one I found on the web. >>> >>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] Scott Janzen Catalyst Real Estate LLC 215-233-9500 (T) 215-817-9315 (M) Janzen at REcatalyst.com www.REcatalyst.com 7805 Ardmore Avenue Wyndmoor, PA 19038 From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 22 15:29:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:29:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: Yeah, worked fine on mine too. I figure it's a dog box, or not OEM. but probably Dogs On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 > - is that a stock box? overdrive? > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? >> >> A >> >> Sent from my iPod >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca >> >> On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: >> >>> i cannot get the movie to work either.... >>> Racer Bud >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" >>> >>> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" >>> >>> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >>> >>> >>>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. >>>> Any hints to >>>> help? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> This is a nice one I found on the web. >>>> >>>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which > had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] > Scott Janzen > Catalyst Real Estate LLC > 215-233-9500 (T) > 215-817-9315 (M) > Janzen at REcatalyst.com > www.REcatalyst.com > 7805 Ardmore Avenue > Wyndmoor, PA 19038 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 22 15:40:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:40:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <20090222224042.39DC0187647@autox.team.net> Sounded like straight cut gears, probably a dog box. Didn't notice him using overdrive - he ran the revs up in 4th more than in the other gears, I assume that's because of no OD. Things sure happen fast in that footage! - Tony At 03:32 PM 2/22/2009, Scott Janzen wrote: >works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 >- is that a stock box? overdrive? > > >On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > > > Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? > > > > A > > > > Sent from my iPod > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca > > > > On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > > > >> i cannot get the movie to work either.... > >> Racer Bud > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > >> > > >> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > >> > > >> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > >> > >> > >>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. > >>> Any hints to > >>> help? > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> > >>> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >>> > >>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which >had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] >Scott Janzen >Catalyst Real Estate LLC >215-233-9500 (T) >215-817-9315 (M) >Janzen at REcatalyst.com >www.REcatalyst.com >7805 Ardmore Avenue >Wyndmoor, PA 19038 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 22 16:48:35 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:48:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> I get the same symptoms using Internet Explorer 6.0. I have a feeling that the issue with IE is related to security settings, but haven't investigated thoroughly. But FWIW, Mozilla Firefox (a free alternative to IE) seems to be downloading it. However it's SLOW. File is about 60Mb, I'm getting a download speed of about 90kb/sec, so probably 12-15 minutes for the download. And of course I'm saving it to my hard drive first, rather than trying to play it over such a slow link. Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:06 PM > To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays > at 0% until it shuts off. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM > To: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > > Its a Quicktime Movie. > > A. > > On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > I also have not been able to download this video. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > > > > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > > > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > > > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no > success. Any > >> hints to help? > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >> > >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada > Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 22 17:06:37 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:06:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". Well almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc then it states, sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I get the same symptoms using Internet Explorer 6.0. I have a feeling that > the issue with IE is related to security settings, but haven't > investigated > thoroughly. > > But FWIW, Mozilla Firefox (a free alternative to IE) seems to be > downloading > it. However it's SLOW. File is about 60Mb, I'm getting a download speed > of > about 90kb/sec, so probably 12-15 minutes for the download. And of course > I'm saving it to my hard drive first, rather than trying to play it over > such a slow link. > > Randall > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:06 PM >> To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays >> at 0% until it shuts off. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On >> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau >> Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> >> Its a Quicktime Movie. >> >> A. >> >> On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >> > I also have not been able to download this video. >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" >> > > > > >> > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" >> > > > >> > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> > >> > >> >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no >> success. Any >> >> hints to help? >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada >> Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 22 17:15:19 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> A few years ago I downloaded Quicktime and I nothing but problems running movies after that. When I saw Quicktime was the application I ran away fast. Not for me to deal with ever again. Just my personal experience. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Randall" ; "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". Well > almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc then it > states, > sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:34:38 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> (JTo get the movie(s), go to:(B (Jhttp://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell(B (Jand click on the 2 links:(B $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JEifelrennen 2008 im Triumph TR4: Szenen (60 MB)(B (JWir erleben hier in Ausschnitten das 2008er Eifelrennen. Das Auto: Triumph(B (JTR4, Baujahr 1962, ca. 180 PS, auf "historischer" Dunlop Racing Bereifung.(B (JDer Fahrer: Timm Meinrenken. Man beachte die Gegner dieses TR4!(B (J $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JEifelrennen 2008: Eine sehr schnelle Runde im Triumph TR4 (69 MB)(B (JIn etwas mehr als 11 Minuten zeigt uns Timm Meinrenken, wie man die(B (JNordschleife inklusive Grand Prix Kurs in einem Triumph TR4, bereift mit(B (J"historischen" Dunlop Racings, umrunden kann!(B (J $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JClark(B (JClark W. Nicholls(B (J1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration)(B (J"Reality, it's not what you think."(B From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:37:30 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> Message-ID: <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> Darn html... http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 22 18:14:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> Message-ID: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Feb 22 18:26:06 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49A1FB2E.9010403@dfn.com> Tony Drews wrote: > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go > to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the > bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you > right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run > it from your local computer you may have better success. You will > need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to > another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You > Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, > though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. > If one is constitutionally opposed to the Apple QuickTime player, both Media Player Classic and VideoLAN will play videos with the .mov extension: http://www.videolan.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ Both work well with currently available Windows operating systems. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 22 18:38:28 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:38:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090223013828.EUGU20000.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> FWIW, I did manage to get it to play, finally. After using Mozilla to download it (IE wouldn't even start), QuickTime still wouldn't play it. Mostly a GP fault, but sometimes it just pretended it didn't have a file. However, doing an "open with" Windows Media Player 9 played it on my machine. Just something you might try, if you do manage to download the file. Good stuff, tho it's a bit disappointing how easily even the 65 Mustang ran away from him on the straight. My mildly tweaked TR3A used to edge out a dead stock 289, but I guess they had a lot more potential. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 18:50:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:50:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: cutting edge technology :)..could be Triumphs Message-ID: <80F8E86E92104A6D96D33DEA0C63B3B7@Bud> Hello Gang...this can also be done with 2 Triumphs... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee & Sandi Hoge" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: cutting edge technology :) > One of the best....Been around before, still makes me laugh out > loud....:>):>) > > > Subject: cutting edge technology :) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of AWD.wmv] From spitlist at cox.net Sun Feb 22 20:10:43 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:10:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7AD4E466F89D47A9AB7C3D97F799CF75@joepentiumnew> I finally got the video to run, but only after upgrading Quicktime to the latest revision and deleting all my Temporary internet files. Great stuff! Thanks, Tony Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 22 20:27:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:27:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <85C73C68-38B9-439F-8D0E-9CB4A2D4FF74@bnj.com> Macintosh. End of story. I used PC equipment for years and years, understood deep into the guts, more than I really wanted to. Bought a Mac notebook because i liked the case and I could run windows on it, but I wound up using the Mac OS more than windows. Now I wouldn't touch a windows machine, just not worth the effort. And YUCK, Vista. On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". > Well almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc > then it states, sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" > To: "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 20:58:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:58:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <6DBE7EBBDD474D3DAEFB58A4A9B3ED20@Bud> Hi Tony..your video of Blackhawk is Terrific!...'You made My Day'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 06:10:21 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:10:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife video and quick time formats .. Message-ID: <215964.16700.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone said they were affraid of quicktime ... they, or anyone else who needs a player for this, can download the free "VLC player" ... it works great on quicktime and several other formats. I know this works on windos apps ... not sure of apple or any other os... Hope this helps Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 06:38:04 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material Message-ID: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - does anyone know what the NASCAR builders use for windshield, side, and rear glass material. I was standing next to one of their cars at the Chicago auto show last week - amazed at what seemed to be a very light gauged material. Also. The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked like black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, drilled full of many large holes for see through. Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? Maybe it's just painted. Thanks Dennis DeLap From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 07:13:53 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:13:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <63B1DEF5FBA149D683A7FC09DAB33AFE@richardiipc> Tony, Your system worked great and the video is well worth the effort. And the "Well that sucked" is still one of the all time great mini-epic videos. Thanks. Richard -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 23 07:52:09 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:52:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: Amici... Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the NASCAR race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, and I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, and the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar that ran 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. Bill Dentinger ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Feb 23 08:41:48 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB58@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> You've got to check this out, really cool ! There is always a way to make old parts ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Feb 23 08:45:11 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:45:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB6D@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> You've got to check this out, really cool > > http://jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Lets try this again ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Mon Feb 23 09:46:33 2009 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:46:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: <20090223104633.2wbuisvhbhccks84@secure.uwalumni.com> I believe that'd be Smokey Cook, who apparently ran an MG for one lap of a Grand National race in 1960 and another 13 laps in a 200-mile race at Bowman-Gray stadium 1963. http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=cooksm01 http://blog.vcu.edu/nascar/car_of_tomorrow/ Jim Hill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Dentinger wrote: > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of > the NASCAR race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but > racing is racing, and I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, > Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer > performance, and the first time there was any non-USA players. If I > understood them correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first > outsider was an MG sportscar that ran 15th. I found that > interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 23 09:53:40 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:53:40 -1000 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material In-Reply-To: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: lexan, and the aluminum is probably anodized. On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:38 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > AMICI - does anyone know what the NASCAR builders use for > windshield, side, and rear glass material. I was standing next to > one of their cars at the Chicago auto show last week - amazed at > what seemed to be a very light gauged material. > Also. The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked > like black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, > drilled full of many large holes for see through. > Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? Maybe it's > just painted. > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 23 10:16:15 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:16:15 EST Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: FOT, It was easy to miss, but FOT Jim Hill was listed in the Vintage Motorsports Magazine as one of the former owners of the very historic V-8 Powered Genie. We visited the Genie in California and stayed with another prior owner. Nice reunion for Jim. If Jim wants to add anymore, I'll let him. Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:18:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:18:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7C1E65790060476FB555E3E7419A3FEE@Bud> Tony..your videos are terrific..thanks! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:19:32 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:19:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... References: Message-ID: <695B82A60F3243798C398768C575687E@Bud> It seems that there was a Jaguar in the early days on the beach? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the > NASCAR > race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, > and > I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, > and > the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them > correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar > that ran > 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:23:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:23:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... References: Message-ID: <649DF1C13495460788A9D1712944A5B2@Bud> Found it!...Al Keller won a Nascar race in 1954 at Linden airport new jersey in a Jaguar xk120 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the > NASCAR > race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, > and > I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, > and > the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them > correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar > that ran > 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:26:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:26:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine References: Message-ID: <28EA79FDABA04260B971A4D7F014CAC9@Bud> Joe...was that the car that Paul Reinhardt drove? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine > FOT, > > It was easy to miss, but FOT Jim Hill was listed in the Vintage > Motorsports > Magazine as one of the former owners of the very historic V-8 Powered > Genie. > > We visited the Genie in California and stayed with another prior owner. > Nice > reunion for Jim. > > If Jim wants to add anymore, I'll let him. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 23 10:35:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:35:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: In a message dated 02/23/2009 11:23:31 AM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > Found it!...Al Keller won a Nascar race in 1954 at Linden airport new > jersey > in a Jaguar xk120 > Off list Mike Cook too has pointed out to me that there were even earlier Brits (JAG XK120) involved with NASCAR. He also said at some point NASCAR then closed the doors to all but domestic cars and push rod engines. With rules like that I suggested, "Gosh, they're a lot like the French." To which Mr. Cook pointed out that the key name in NASCAR is France. I suspect that shortly after they hid the words 'Stock Car' in their name. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Feb 23 10:48:47 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:48:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material In-Reply-To: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c501c995de$fb0559c0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked like > black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, drilled full of > many large holes for see through. > Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? If you poke around on the web a bit, you should have no trouble finding recipes for anodizing at home. Eg, http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize.html -- Randall From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 14:25:14 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB6D@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: <148927.95990.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nothing new, although the NextEngine scanner has only been available for about 4-5 years. The Dimension Rapid Prototyping machine is actually made by Stratasys, and they have been around since 1990. I have been involved with different RP systems since 1987. My employer was one of the early adopters of the technology, and we have systems that can make parts as fine as 16 microns layers. We also have systems that can make metal parts directly from cad or make sand casts. For more information than you ever want to know about, check out www.sme.org/rtam. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: "Deanes, Robert" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:45:11 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! You've got to check this out, really cool > > http://jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Lets try this again ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 20:14:15 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Trying to identify some TR6 valves Message-ID: <000501c9962d$f9b715f0$b1191718@computer> In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From dave at microworks.net Mon Feb 23 22:01:48 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference Message-ID: <20090224050254.8493B187665@autox.team.net> Got a Text this evening from Speed. "F1 Alert: Watch the US F1 Press Conference LIVE on Speed. Tuesday February 24th at Noon ET / 9:00am PT" From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 11:18:16 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:18:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cars For Sale Message-ID: <000001c996ac$43be8330$cb3b8990$@racer@comcast.net> The following email message was sent to me by a vintage racing friend in the Mid-West and might be of interest to some of your. This is all the information I have. Gary -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:00 AM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Street cars for sale, MGA, GT6s, Midgets I'm attempting to sell some old cars from my uncles estate. The cars are located in Highland, CA. -1956 MGA currently Black w/ red int, rebuilt engine 0 miles, new chrome wire wheels, needs int. installed and resto completed, NO rust solid car, non-op, $12500 obo. -1973 GT6 Green, black int., needs int. and misc put back together, non-op, $3000 obo. -GT6 (3) -Midgets (3) in various stages of disrepair, parts cars, no paper, make offer . No pictures yet. DW From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 24 15:59:08 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:59:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions Message-ID: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> FOT: I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? You can contact me off line. Western Eagle Racing Ron Jacobs From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 16:14:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:14:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 19:41:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:41:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Hi Gang..I've been enjoying Tony's In Car Videos greatly(he sent me a link to them).......I sure would like to see more of Triumph Racing....Send the links to FOT......this stuff ..Makes My Day and keeps me 'Fired Up' To Race Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 24 22:49:51 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR Message-ID: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> I finally made the CVAR driver's school. I would like to thank this list as most of you contributed in my efforts to transform a rust bucket into a race car. Specifically I would like to acknowledge the sacrifices of my family that made this event possible. My wife spent many a lonely night wondering if I would ever come back into the house. I wonder why she puts up with me especially when I was breaking in the engine at 4am the morning of the event. She has really gone above and beyond the call these past few months while I painted and assembled the car. I have a huge debt to repay to her. I would like to thank fellow FOT member Bob Blake for infecting me with this disease in my early childhood by dragging me all around north Texas looking for this TR3. His passion for Triumphs rubbed off on me much to my wife's chagrin. Although he will deny it, he was a very helpful crew member this weekend while attending to a tech list about a page long that needed to be resolved before Saturday evening. He also spent the previous weekend helping me install the engine and transmission. Thanks Dad. I would like to thank Bob Kramar for his countless hours spent answering technical questions over the past 4 years and helping me through my first weekend. It is such a treat to have people like Bob around. After arriving at TWS 10 minutes late Friday morning, I went off to my class room session with a thermostat housing acting like a blow hole. I come back to a unit that is sealed up with some magical John Deer product which held tight for the weekend. For those of you that have not met Bob, he is one of those individuals that does not ask permission to help, he assesses the situation and dives right in without getting in the way. I would have never made it through the weekend without Bob, and his tools. His Wife even brought me a spare oil filter head from his stock of spares to help me with an oil pressure issue. They did all of this while their son Andrew was also taking the driver's school in a car that is very well prepared by Bob. As for the performance of the car, I have a few issues that I need help on. 1st oil pressure. I am running with Chevy rods which I know some others on the list are also running. For those of you running these rods as a piston guided setup, what oil pressure do you see cold & hot at 2000 & 5000 rpm? By the end of Saturday, I had the relief valve turned up such that cold at 2000rpm I was running 80psi. This got me to where I was seeing 60psi hot at 5000rpm. This seemed a bit low to me. When coming into the pits and the engine going below 2000rpm the pressure was dropping below 40psi. This was all with 20-50 VR1. Differential issues. I was experiencing excessive noise all weekend from the rear of the car. On Sunday it got bad enough to trailer the car. When I put it up in the air to investigate the source of the noise, I could take the driveshaft right at the input flange of the diff and move the input shaft of the diff in all directions about 1/4". This was a freshly rebuilt unit. I have not had a chance to pull the diff yet to open it up and investigate, but I am looking for any experience in what can cause a pinion bearing to let go at such an early stage n its life. Thanks, Greg From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Feb 24 22:22:03 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:22:03 EST Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR Message-ID: Greg, welcome to the family!! I could not agree more with your kind comments about Bob Kramer & family. They are truly great friends & people. Normally you would have had to put up with me too but I have plans to go to Mid-Ohio this summer to see an old friend and do a little joint racing. NO, not that kind! Ha ha so I had to put the Feb. TWS event off but count on seeing me down there this fall. I also plan to make Hallett & Eagles Canyon so hopefully we'll meet then. FoT is a tremendous group of caring individuals all driven by one singular desire....Preserve these fantastic vehicles. OK, and enjoy the heck out of them too! Others may disagree but I would not be that alarmed at the oil pressure. Can't offer much on the differential other than to say they are touchy beasties and must be shimmed and set up VERY correctly by someone a lot smarter than I. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 63 TR 4 # 69 **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 24 22:24:42 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:24:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR In-Reply-To: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Congratulations! As far as oil pressure goes, 10 pounds per 1000 RPM hot is kind of the gold standard. sounds like you've got that. Roller and Ball bearings either fail right away or last a good while. no guess as to why yours failed, but it did. Replace it and all the other bearings in the diff (because they are now junk too), clean everything to a scrupulous degree and go on. Onward and upward. Race cars always have a punch list. they shrink and swell but never disappear. Welcome to the fraternity of people that mess with cars. It's a fine bunch, and it sounds like you've been genetically programmed to be part of it. Your family has my deepest sympathies, and ain't it fun. On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I finally made the CVAR driver's school. I would like to thank this > list as most of you contributed in my efforts to transform a rust > bucket > into a race car. Specifically I would like to acknowledge the From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 23:21:26 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:21:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves Message-ID: <002501c99711$49ec9750$b1191718@computer> In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 01:10:32 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:10:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves In-Reply-To: <002501c99711$49ec9750$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <828679.7279.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, The endless down sizing of the US auto parts industry may have resulted in some former TRW parts popping up in boxes marked with the Federal Mogul logos. A few years back I purchased some forged pistons for an American V-type engine that looked remarkably identical to old TRW stock in new Federal Mogul boxes. Perhaps you should attempt to contact a Federal Mogul supplier before they disappear from the landscape to see if they can identify the TRW part # 34657SS valves. Jim Prettyleaf --- On Tue, 2/24/09, jim hearn wrote: From: jim hearn Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 10:21 PM In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 06:30:08 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions In-Reply-To: <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> Message-ID: <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> Hey Bud If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the fees. They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. You know what I mean. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Feb 25 09:35:20 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR In-Reply-To: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <49A57348.9010300@pobox.com> Congratulations Greg, Sounds like your pressure is marginally on the low side. We also run Chevy rods in our TR3 and cannot tell the oil pressure is any different from running stock rods. Mine run on a welded up stock crank rather than with spacers at the wrist pins, but that difference should not effect oil pressure. Did you replace the cam bearings when you rebuilt the engine? That is often overlooked on a rebuild. Are you running the accessory outside line to the rockers? That will rob some pressure from the rest of the system. I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about Bob. He's helped me a lot over the years. The key question is did you run enough sessions to get signed off for the weekend? What about Andrew Kramer? I noticed he was not listed as running the last few sessions. CVAR's licensing requirements of completing four full weekends within a year are tough when you're simultaneously trying to sort a new car. Of course, I also have to ask how you like the cam? Larry Young Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > On Sunday it got bad enough to trailer the > car. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:12:05 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions In-Reply-To: <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> Message-ID: <000301c9977c$f33d0090$d9b701b0$@racer@comcast.net> It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It may vary from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover ambulance, EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and the biggee - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not run an event without any of them. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:30 AM To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions Hey Bud If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the fees. They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. You know what I mean. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:27:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:27:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> <000301c9977c$f33d0090$d9b701b0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm kind of confused here..i didn't say anything about entry fees? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: "'Craig'" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It may vary > from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover > ambulance, > EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and the > biggee > - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not run an > event > without any of them. > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Craig > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > Hey Bud > If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the > fees. > They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. > You know what I mean. > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM > To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said > "I > KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > >> FOT: >> I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. >> The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. >> Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) >> to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much >> dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's >> TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? >> You can contact me off line. >> Western Eagle Racing >> Ron Jacobs >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billbab at mac.com Wed Feb 25 14:08:46 2009 From: Billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:08:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR4 Engines and recessions References: Message-ID: <97144611-EB51-4D81-8AC0-A1E928B6DF13@mac.com> No, but Craig did, and I have to say that spell checkers aside, it's looks a little silly to pejoratively call someone geniuses when you spell it "genesis". Clubs don't make big money on events. In fact many usually lose some on a few, make some on a few and it all comes out in the wash. They set the fees where they suspect they will come out best. Too high and you don't get enough cars, too low and you can't cover expenses--there are a limited number of likely entries for every event except the huge ones like Monterey. Clubs are going to go through hard times this year i suspect. some may not survive. It behooves us all to be as supportive as we can be. No clubs=no races. Then what? i'll just be a hoodlum out tearing up backcountry roads, that's what, and no one wants to see that. > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 9:27 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> I'm kind of confused here..i didn't say anything about entry fees? >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" > > >> To: "'Craig'" ; "'RACER BUD'" > >; ; >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:12 AM >> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions >> >> >>> It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It >>> may vary >>> from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover >>> ambulance, >>> EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and >>> the biggee >>> - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not >>> run an event >>> without any of them. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions >>> >>> Hey Bud >>> If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering >>> the fees. >>> They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. >>> You know what I mean. >>> Craig From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Feb 25 14:23:43 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Feb 25 14:48:34 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <380-220092325214834333@M2W023.mail2web.com> Absolutely autocross school. It really gives confidence in their driving abilities and lets them understand the limits of the specific car they will be driving without harm (skid pad, slalom, etc.). I think it would also teach a little humility when they think they can handle something and they can't. Good luck! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: alfetta95 at optonline.net Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 14:49:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:49:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: I did not do that with my 4 kids(all grown now)..If they had been interested in it I would have.......I will say that ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PUT HER IN A SMALL CAR when she's ready to drive on her own...Your #1 job is to keep her safe..I hope she never has a fender bender...if she does you'll be glad she was not in something tiny Father Experience.. AKA Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Feb 25 14:49:42 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:49:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: Todd Ive had my 7 year old out in karts and my 10 year old has navigated the TR4 through the Somerset lanes and had a go at some autotesting ...... dont you just love girls ...... Get her in there fast. I keep telling mine that one day, if she learns to peddle hard she'll meet someone like her Dad, but with more money and better cars. All the best Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 25 14:58:34 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:58:34 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a fine idea, and it can be very cheap. Most car clubs offer racing license classes pretty inexpensively. Take the class with her. Another very useful skill is skid control. See if any of the local performance driving schools have a skid control class. If I were king I'd revamp driver licensing in the US completely. You'd have to really study and really learn how to control a car before you could get even a permit. the US has four times the death and injury rate per capita of most european countries. It doesn't all come down to education and experience, but a lot of it does. On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:23 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 15:04:09 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:04:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PA requires that kids log 50 hours over 6 months with a parent prior to taking their driving test, while in learner's permit mode. 50 hours is a surprisingly significant amount of time, esp. accrued over 10-20 minute neighborhood trips. That's what we did with my now-17 year old. Even after she got her license, we limited her to daylight driving for a few months, no highway, no more than one friend in the car, radio off (I'm sure that was not adhered to), cell phone in the trunk, etc. The other thing that was immensely helpful in encouraging other drivers to give us a wide berth was a magnetic, bright yellow "student driver" sign stuck on the back of the car for the first few months. find 'em on the web for $10. On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:23 PM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Feb 25 15:18:13 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:18:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCF9596E90B400CA4CF35B3C941A8D9@joepentiumnew> In my case, I took a whole lot of sedatives. My daughter went to driver's school and took the driving test 4 times before the instructor took pity on her and let her pass. One of the times she failed was because she hit another car while attempting to parallel park. My condolences! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:24 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Feb 25 15:49:31 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: STREET SURVIVAL go to streetsurvival.org I'm also a big fan of local solo events for reasons easily explained (see .sig). rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Feb 25 15:39:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090225225230.A61B0187652@autox.team.net> My oldest Daughter is soon to be 19 (in March) and when she got her learners permit back when she was 15.5 we of course did all the "normal" stuff in the neighborhood, city streets and parking practice in big empty parking lots. But one of the more enjoyable outings was to take a run on the Freeway to a small town outside the metro area to let her get the car up to speed and play with feeling what higher speed felt like. The small town I picked to drive out to had a good diner that I had been to quite a few times in the past that we hit for lunch. Got to spend some good time in the car with her and she got to drive in a bunch of different environments (open freeway, in-city freeway, surface streets, small town, etc...) When she turned 17 I had her go through the High Performance Driving class that I teach for NASA. She loved it and did the class one other time before she moved out of state to go to school up in Oregon. My middle daughter is getting her permit this week so I'm back in that same boat with you. The soon to be 17 year old son is a different story. He started racing karts when he was 9 so driving is no big deal to him. At 02:23 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote: >Amici, > >My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out >driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking >about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence >behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done >or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > >Thanks! > >Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! >Todd Redmond >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Feb 25 15:52:10 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:52:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76f1f3f26d7f8a7ac78385c3facabab9.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Autoweek has been really pushing a teen driver safety program - you might check their website to follow the whole discussion. I suspect that it will be there, but have not checked to be sure. On Wed, February 25, 2009 4:23 pm, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From deanesr at uncw.edu Wed Feb 25 16:12:45 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094516836F88C1@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well guys I have three girls, yes it's been a hand full, the oldest is 28 now and when she started driving she used my Jeep or my wife's car, when we thought she had a little experience I gave her my Spitfire which I just put Webers and a header on, well in about 3 months of keeping her on one side of town I extended her range to do a doctors visit, at a stop light she ran into a Mexican guy that stopped three times under the light, she got the ticket, I got the car, trashed the bonnet, the Mexican couldn't speak English so the cop couldn't even write a ticket. He was a visitor in the country driving a Cat. with no American licenses. The next daughter bought her own car and I have one to go that will has a permit and she will by her own car. I don't let them drive any of my TR's !!! I am also looking at some sort of "advanced" school. Rob Deanes From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 25 16:32:37 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I vividly remember learning how to drive in N. Ireland as a teenager. It's *hard*. Driving test was about an hour long, maybe more. Was very real world. Go to this part of town. Parallel park. Parallel park on the *off* side on a one way street. Eye test was 'What is the license plate number on that green car over there?' Had to drive on city streets, residential streets, and highways (though not limited access, but pretty darn close). The sadists at MOT scheduled my first test for rush hour. Needless to say, I failed. Several times. The other thing that struck me as a teenager in NI was the zero tolerance to drunk drivers amongst my peers. This was 1979 mind you, and no one ever drove home drunk. There was always a DD. And plenty of drunk teenagers. :) The having to drive with the big red 'L' on your learner's permit and the 'R' (restricted) for 6 months after getting your license was a help too. As to sending your kid to performance driving school, I think it's a great idea. If I had kids, I would. And I'd send 'em to the motorcycle Basic Rider course, if for no other reason than to teach them to look out for bikes and to be able to drive anything we own. (the first car *is* a manual trans, right?) iii On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > It's a fine idea, and it can be very cheap. Most car clubs offer > racing license classes pretty inexpensively. Take the class with her. > Another very useful skill is skid control. See if any of the local > performance driving schools have a skid control class. If I were king > I'd revamp driver licensing in the US completely. You'd have to really > study and really learn how to control a car before you could get even > a permit. > > the US has four times the death and injury rate per capita of most > european countries. It doesn't all come down to education and > experience, but a lot of it does. > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:23 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > > Todd Redmond > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 25 16:27:55 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:27:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: <628D659A4A7A4F4FAAD4588780414458@rocky> All my kids, when they reach that magic age, get one full season of autocross in the race car, all expenses paid. Starts in the spring, carries through to a trip to the Solo Nationals. I tell them I don't care if they do well, I don't care if they fall in love with the sport or not, and I'm not trying to make race drivers out of them. What I want is for them to become more skilled, more aware drivers, and to have some idea of the car's capabilities and their capabilities in an emergency situation. I also tell them I don't care if they break the car as long as it happens on the track -- it's a race car; it WILL break sometime, the only question is when. But break something goofing off in the paddock they'll pay for the repair. If they do fall in love with the sport and want to keep doing it, they gotta rent the car or buy their own. Four kids down so far, two to go. Three are still doing it in their own cars. One says she's gonna but hasn't done much. Youngest daughter just turned 16 and looking forward to it. Youngest son is 13 and says he is totally uninterested. As for schools -- I'd recommend an autocross school rather than a racing school. Many of the techniques are the same but the environment is more real-world (street & highway speeds, not race track speeds). Cheaper too. Look at www.evoschool.com and see if there isn't an upcoming school reasonably near you. These schools you do in your street car. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 16:41:28 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:41:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: <002801c997a2$955c9aa0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try one of the nearby race tracks. I know BeaveRun near Pittsburgh has several Highway Safety programs including winter driving and road skills. They also have Flat Out days with three different skill levels; 1 and 2 have a riding instructor and 3 is for more serious folks with no instructor on board. The Flat Out days for Level 3 are $170 and works well as a test and tune day. Fair amount of track time and BeaveRun is a nice track. There's also a great cart track there. And skid pad. The new track in NJ may have a similiar program. Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 25 17:02:59 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crane closes doors Message-ID: Crane Cams shuts down, workers laid off > > By JIM WITTERS > > Senior Business Writer > > DAYTONA BEACH " Crane Cams, a 56-year-old auto parts > manufacturer, closed its doors this week and laid off its employees, > a worker > said today. From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 25 17:26:27 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:26:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <14763248.1235607987997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Todd: I don't normally get involved in these discussions but this one is important. The responses I've read so far to your question offer some thoughtful advice. I raised two drivers, a son and a daughter. The son wanted to be a racing driver. . . he learned the basics of driving well but, like all young (and older?) males he needed self control. His high school car was an MG Midget it tought him control at speeds that were relatively low, rather like his old man learning that in a TR3 back in high school, himself. (It may be small and dangerous but the biggest risk our kids run in the car is too many of their friends in there with 'em) I promised him a trip to the Skip Barber School if he survived one year with no accidents that were his fault and no tickets. He won that prize. He's now a vehicle dynamics engineer at Toyota, a regional SCCA champ, and a thoughtful parent. We ran the 25 hours of Thunderhill together a year ago. He was faster than I was. His sister had no interest in driving as anything but a means to become mobile. The manual gearbox in the MG just wasn't fair as her friends didn't have to deal with that sort of thing. She had an early accident in the Ford Exploder. No serious injuries... Her motivations were very very different. She's now (years later) a perfectly competent driver and will soon be a mom. She is NOW interested in cars and much prefers a manual gearbox. (and is lusting after an XK-120) Why the stories? Well, the story of my son illustrates the value of motivation. The kids either have it or they don't. He did. We can't create it for them. The story of my daughter illustrates the same thing but with the promise that these things sometimes change. Most importantly, though, you have to build the syllabus to the student. Sending a kid to car control school is only of value if the kid is interested. Racing (high performance anyway) school only means something if the kid has enough knowledge already to put what they learn into perspective. Otherwise they don't know enough to understand what they are learning. Give her time. Listen carefully to her to understand why she wants to drive and what her interests are. Then build your plan around that and around the other realities of your lives together. The fact that you are asking the questions is good enough evidence that you'll likely do the right thing. Good luck with it. kind regards, jimdonick -----Original Message----- >From: alfetta95 at optonline.net >Sent: Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM >To: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > >Amici, > >My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > >Thanks! > >Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! >Todd Redmond >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 17:55:20 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:55:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After my two daughters got their license, a year or so after they started driving on the permit, we sent them to skid car school. The wife went with one daughter and I went with the other so it was sort of a driving school bonding deal. All of us learned from the experience, and even though it was over 12 years ago since the younger one took the school, we still talk about what we experienced, especially when driving on snow or ice. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:24 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Wed Feb 25 18:17:23 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chin spoiler Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE984A33BFF79@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> I am restoring a GT6+ to race again with SVRA. I am allowed a Group 44 style chin spoiler. I just purchased a spoiler from a good supplier but do not feel that it is as aggressive as what I recollect from the Group 44 team. The problem I am having is the black chin spoiler is difficult to see in pictures and I cannot find alternative suppliers. Does anyone have some good group 44 GT6 pictures with evident chin spoilers, and can anyone suggest possible suppliers Thank you Bill Bartlett From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 18:50:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:50:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: What a Terrific group FOT is...One guy asks for advice to help his family..and..it's like..Whammo!...the friendship and care comes flyin' out Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What did you do? > After my two daughters got their license, a year or so after they started > driving on the permit, we sent them to skid car school. The wife went > with > one daughter and I went with the other so it was sort of a driving school > bonding deal. All of us learned from the experience, and even though it > was > over 12 years ago since the younger one took the school, we still talk > about > what we experienced, especially when driving on snow or ice. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:24 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > > > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Wed Feb 25 18:53:56 2009 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:53:56 EST Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: Great discussion. My two that are of driving age both had the following offer. After getting their license I provided a car ('94 Jaguar with lots of miles. Big enough to be safe, rear-wheel drive, as God intended, to learn how to control on snow and ice covered Minnesota roads, interesting enough to be cool in the High school parking lot, and only $3,500!) paid insurance and maintained it. "A" honor role, no tickets, no accidents to keep the deal. I'll allow 1 ticket if it's minor, but beyond that, no "A"s, any accidents, and they pay their own insurance and maintenance. 2 tickets etc, they lose the car. We also did a lot of skid pad work in our local school parking lot after enough snow to make it fun. Both these two went to the VSCDA driver's school the year they turned 18, and have their vintage racing licenses. They are accident free, both Dean's list in college, and safe racers. It has worked for us! Growing-up in a racing family has helped a great deal in the safe attitude toward driving department. I'm very proud of them. John In a message dated 2/25/2009 3:40:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, alfetta95 at optonline.net writes: Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) From srcypher at mac.com Wed Feb 25 19:56:12 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:56:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: Out of my collection, I came across this GT6 bellhousing with a steel adapter plate; Does anyone recognize it, and/or could anyone tell me the bolt spacings on the known transmission adaptations people have done? Its about a 8"-1/4" bolt spacing at the top, 9-1/4" at the bottom, about 5" vertical spacing. Any leads on what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:56:32 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: <2F0AD128-78C2-483D-9F71-2FEEEF204986@xsmail.com> Out of my collection, I came across this GT6 bellhousing with a steel adapter plate; Does anyone recognize it, and/or could anyone tell me the bolt spacings on the known transmission adaptations people have done? Its about a 8"-1/4" bolt spacing at the top, 9-1/4" at the bottom, about 5" vertical spacing. Any leads on what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 20:02:55 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:02:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference In-Reply-To: <20090224050254.8493B187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000a01c997be$b9047fb0$b1191718@computer> Thanks for this tidbit Dave. Never would have known it was happening by my TV guide. It was very interesting. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:02 PM To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference Got a Text this evening from Speed. "F1 Alert: Watch the US F1 Press Conference LIVE on Speed. Tuesday February 24th at Noon ET / 9:00am PT" Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:35:36 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:35:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] >>NASS Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: <381429.10859.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2F0AD128-78C2-483D-9F71-2FEEEF204986@xsmail.com> <381429.10859.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: sorry, go to my gallery link http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#100703 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Feb 25 20:47:32 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:47:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] SCCA TR3/4 Message-ID: <20090225.224732.18353.1@webmail19.dca.untd.com> I was just reading the SCCA's February Fastrack News and noticed that someone has proposed moving TR3's from EP to FP. Here is what was posted "FP  Move the Triumph TR 2/3/4 to FP/HP (Blust). Tabled for further research. " Is the "Blust" that requested this on the FOT list? I may be in support of this if they left the specs for the car the same as they are in EP. The March Fastrack News has nothing on this, so it must still be tabled. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOPagXAWzQZGt5ZwzcmDbY7 dXPAoEO8iPJkfPG4fZBXRDE8Wp8lC/ From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Feb 26 01:24:43 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:24:43 -0000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: In the UK, I sent both my boys on a specialist driving course, based on the advanced police driving course used by 'the Met' in London. It included: 1. Driving on motorways (freeways) at the 70mph limit in the rush hour. Prior to the test, learner drivers aren't allowed on motorways at all. Motorway driving was a regular feature of the course as they needed variable weather and traffic conditions 2. Then there was the skid pan. A specially created driving centre with one whole day spent learning about skid occurence and prevention plus a further day in a specially adapted car with bald tyres on a wet and greasy surface. 3. Then additional classroom work on driving in fog and snow, putting what you'd learned into practise in a small simulator. The course lasted ten days and cost a fortune but it was probably the best investment I could have made in both my sons at a time when passing your driving test meant to many of my day - and later, that "you knew it all." IMHO, this sort of post-test instruction should be mandatory - but of course, governments usually have better ideas. Jonmac From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 26 05:47:46 2009 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <272445.57663.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My 17 year old son has been around racing all his life and is fully aware of what to do and what not to do. The hard part for his is just getting seat time driving around the local area, highway trips, etc. The wife and I try to let him drive when ever he needs to go somewhere or will be in the car with us. Just remember that they learn from example. I got on Andrew's case on day for driving a bit to aggressively to which he replied "you drive like this!". And after a bit of thought and really watching what he was doing, I had to agree. He was straight line late braking and picking up the apexes. So what could I say but "be careful and aware of what is around you". I still feel a bit nervous with him, but I think that is the Father in me knowing what can happen with the other goofys on the road. I am sure that strapped in next to him on a track I would be talking him through it all and we both would be having the time of our lives. Thumbs up Steve --- On Wed, 2/25/09, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: From: alfetta95 at optonline.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:23 PM Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 26 06:26:31 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 43 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. " Skip Barber has (A little expensive, but who knows what it may save http://www.skipbarber.com/driving_school/mazda/new_driver.aspx ) a young driver training course at Limerock, I've seen it running in the infield while I was out for practice days. They were working on the skid pad, follow the driver exercises and a nice one on car control. They have a few lanes set up with cones and a set of stop lights, they would change the available lanes, via the stop lights and the drivers had to react. Sometimes they would close all 3 lanes and they practiced panic stops. All of this was done with Skippy's cars, in the infield circuit, nothing on the actual track. This is driver skill training, not competition driving. They already think they're immortal and since they passed the license test know everything about driving. This seemed to open their eyes up a little from the parents I talked to at the course. For my own kids early training started with our methanol Go Kart on the local track and moved to skid control in the snow behind the closed Mall. Lots of time behind the wheel, both during the permit sessions and after they got their licences, nothing beats time on the road., mike G. Michael Harmuth From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Feb 26 09:02:43 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 head & manifold porting Message-ID: <1405962915.631921235664163853.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT Ibm now working on my 2nd generation TR-4 race motor and I am in the process of further refining my port work. On the first build I did little more than match the ports from the head to the manifold, clean up some casting and knife edge the bridge where the intake splits. Upon closer examination of my previous work I noticed that by just matching up the ports I have opened up the intake ports at the head/manifold to 1-5/8b. Theoretically this would cause a bit of a stall in the flow as the intake runners are less than 1.5b and the port up to the valve is less than 1.5b, i.e. a fat spot midway to the valve. I am currently using a 1.5b valve to help me size the port in the head. Theoretically the largest part of the intake tract should be at the carb/intake joint and tapering down to the valve size of 1.5b to get max velocity of the fuel air mix. In order to do that I would need to open up the intake runners quite a bit and there isnbt a whole lot of material in the walls of the intake runners. At this point I can fit a 1.5b valve in the head port from the intake side almost down to the valve guide which I have taken down near flush with the port wall. Ibm running Mikuni HSR 45bs so flow from the carbs is the least of my troubles. Ibm curious as to how much can you or should you open up the intake runners. The exhaust side is a bit of a mystery as well with rectangular ports. Any advice in maximizing the flow/velocity on both sides would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Gray RMVR From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 26 09:30:37 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:30:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 to FP/HP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe, you'll be in HP now? I'm screwed mike 63 Spitfire I was just reading the SCCA's February Fastrack News and noticed that someone has proposed moving TR3's from EP to FP. Here is what was posted "FP  Move the Triumph TR 2/3/4 to FP/HP (Blust). Tabled for further research. " Is the "Blust" that requested this on the FOT list? I may be in support of this if they left the specs for the car the same as they are in EP. The March Fastrack News has nothing on this, so it must still be tabled. Joe (B) From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Feb 26 09:46:44 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Part needed Message-ID: <20090226164708.28458187661@autox.team.net> I need a steering wheel hub adapter for my Moto-Lita steering wheel for a TR6 project I am working on. I know I can purchase a new one from Moss etc. but I was wondering if an FOT member might have one at a lesser price. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 40639 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 27 07:46:50 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:46:50 EST Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher support to FOT and (3) 3XL DENIM SHIRTS AVAILABLE Message-ID: FOT, Ted is preparing to send monies to the FOT based on sales at Watkins Glen. FOT General Fund Motorsports Ministries In uncle jack's name Mark Bradakis In support of the FOT List activities. We thank Ted for his support.......Ted also has THREE 3XL DENIM SHIRTS LEFT FROM WATKINS GLEN and is looking for a home for these. It would be nice if he didnt get stuck with this overstock of inventory. Joe A From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 27 08:24:11 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:24:11 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination Message-ID: FoT, It is my pleasure to introduce...... Mitch Meisler is among that smaller fraternity of TR250 owners. We would use another one of those members. Mitch may have some questions in the future regarding performance improvements on his TR250 and may be able add some support, as well. Please welcome Mitch to the FOT with a second. It is his option to introduce himself with a little background....as he wishes. Joe A From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 08:56:55 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <379612.2236.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 2nd --- On Fri, 2/27/09, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Mitchtr25068 at aol.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 9:24 AM FoT, It is my pleasure to introduce...... Mitch Meisler is among that smaller fraternity of TR250 owners. We would use another one of those members. Mitch may have some questions in the future regarding performance improvements on his TR250 and may be able add some support, as well. Please welcome Mitch to the FOT with a second. It is his option to introduce himself with a little background....as he wishes. Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 27 09:00:49 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:00:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mitch Welcome! Tell us more about yourself and your car. Consider this a second or third, depending on your perspective. 6 cylinder Triumphs are "way kool". rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LOddTR at aol.com Fri Feb 27 10:40:59 2009 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:40:59 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: On March 10th, Triumph racers from near and far will descend on Virginia International Raceway to celebrate Martha McDougal's many years of service at the Triumph Works.This third annual event is THE focus event for the Triumph Ghetto for 2009. In addition to the massive track time that is available to the VDCA "Wild Hare Run" participants, the Ghetto will offer a Friday Feed with Rob Deanes' Famous Fish-Fry, accompanied by The Dean of Triumph's famous hush-puppies and baked beans. Landlubbers will enjoy Don's scrumptious Hot Dogs and Bubba's burgers, or maybe do a Surf 'n Turf. On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual Martha McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and Mark Wheatley as previous awardees. So, mark your calendar, shake off the cob webs and get your entry in. Martha McDougal Rides Again! Here is a link to the entry form: _http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf) Don Marshall Dean Tetterton Rob Deanes Leo Oddi **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 27 12:25:02 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:25:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: In a message dated 02/27/2009 11:42:13 AM Central Standard Time, LOddTR at aol.com writes: > On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual > Martha > McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes > the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and > Mark Wheatley as previous awardees. > Good Luck to this year's awardee. They don't come any better than Dennis and Mark. Rough acts to follow. Bill Dentinger ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Feb 27 14:27:17 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph ASPER? Message-ID: http://www.racingjunk.com/category/89/Sports_Racer/post/1476086/1959-Triumph -Asper-TR-raced-with-Pete-Brock.html [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 19:26:54 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 Message-ID: Has anybody run a set of 15 x 8 wheels on their big TR? If so what offset worked for you? Thanks, Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 19:59:17 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:59:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: <26184003.1235789957894.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You guys are just too cool! I can only wish that my imagination were that good! My sadly crushed TR3 is nearly ready to go again and will hopefully make an appearance at the Sebring 12 hr support event in March. I have a driver committed for the SandyBeach for VIR and that sort of dooms me to bringing the FV for me to drive. Too bad, I'd have been tickled to campaign for Glen to be the nominated wrench given what he had to do go bring it back. For those of you that saw it at VIR last year, it would mean something to know that we bought NO NEW SHEETMETAL. It was all fixed with hammer,dolly and torch. Oh yea, Glen hates Bondo as well. See you there, Mike -----Original Message----- >From: LOddTR at aol.com >Sent: Feb 27, 2009 12:40 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net, FDanovitz at aol.com, schnabel at starband.net, slaterptrs at bellsouth.net, rs58a6 at bellsouth.net >Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! > >On March 10th, Triumph racers from near and far will descend on Virginia >International Raceway to celebrate Martha McDougal's many years of service at >the Triumph Works.This third annual event is THE focus event for the Triumph >Ghetto for 2009. > >In addition to the massive track time that is available to the VDCA "Wild >Hare Run" participants, the Ghetto will offer a Friday Feed with Rob Deanes' >Famous Fish-Fry, accompanied by The Dean of Triumph's famous hush-puppies and >baked beans. Landlubbers will enjoy Don's scrumptious Hot Dogs and Bubba's >burgers, or maybe do a Surf 'n Turf. > >On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual Martha >McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes >the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and Mark >Wheatley as previous awardees. > >So, mark your calendar, shake off the cob webs and get your entry in. Martha >McDougal Rides Again! > >Here is a link to the entry form: >_http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf) > >Don Marshall >Dean Tetterton >Rob Deanes >Leo Oddi >**************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your >neighborhood today. >(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Fri Feb 27 22:19:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A8C976.4000409@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12 mjb. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 08:22:12 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:22:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Speaking of porting and Polishing??? Message-ID: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> In reading the competition preparation manual they mention polishing intake manifolds. I thought I read or was told when building a V8 years ago that polishing is no longer recommended because fuel condenses on the manifold surface with laminar flow. A slight texture e.g. minor grind or casting marks keeps a turbulant flow which keeps fuel atomized. I wonder also if this is only for aluminum manifolds e.g. heat loss and if it extends inside the head. thoughts??? I am currently doing some port matching and casting removal on both the head and TR3 manifold. Can't wait for spring - more snow in upstate NY - california dream'n... M BTW I don't need a maui weather update Bill... ;o) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 28 09:13:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:13:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Speaking of porting and Polishing??? In-Reply-To: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: Cold here, very cold. And dreary as hell. On Feb 28, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > In reading the competition preparation manual they mention polishing > intake > manifolds. I thought I read or was told when building a V8 years ago > that > polishing is no longer recommended because fuel condenses on the > manifold > surface with laminar flow. A slight texture e.g. minor grind or > casting marks > keeps a turbulant flow which keeps fuel atomized. I wonder also if > this is > only for aluminum manifolds e.g. heat loss and if it extends inside > the head. > thoughts??? > > I am currently doing some port matching and casting removal on both > the head > and TR3 manifold. > > Can't wait for spring - more snow in upstate NY - california > dream'n... > > M > > BTW I don't need a maui weather update Bill... ;o) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Feb 28 09:31:12 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 69 years young Message-ID: Best birthday regards to Mario Andretti..! K. Lynch From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Feb 28 09:54:30 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:54:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car for sale Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EC5D@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I talked with JK Jackson yesterday, he told me Bill Forbes TR4 racecar is for sale. Bill was JK's racing buddy, he passed away December 2007. Bill was a very talented machinist, and was responsible for making lots of the trick stuff he and JK devised over the years. I have to believe Bill's car is a trick item. JK got a call from Bill's family, apparently the car needs a new home. I have no idea what the family is asking. The car is a TR4 tub on a TR4A-IRS chassis. All steel panels. Bill hillclimbed the car, so the car has an extensive roll cage. The car ran 3 events in 2007. Bill was faster than JK in 2 of the 3 events, that says something. The car last ran in December 2007. It has a JK OD gearbox, a welded 4.10 rear, a set of 15X7 Minilites with race tires, another set of 7 inch wheels, tons of spares, etc. As my slant on this obsession is Vintage road racing, I asked a few questions and it seems to me to be Vintage legal one may need to rework the cage (not many halo cages where I race) and either remove the slight fender flares or BS you way through tech with clubs that don't like flares. (Sorry Jack) Oh yeah, and scare up some 6" wide wheels. Please direct any interest to JK at 850.575.9372. That is his shop number, he's usually there 9-5, M-F. No answering machine, and no, JK does not do email... Cheers From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 28 09:59:14 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:59:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hardware Message-ID: I have had an inquiry about what most are using for the main cap fasteners of the TR-4 engine. Studs and nuts? Any help here? His inquiry to ARP has gone unanswered. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 08:59:39 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:59:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing Message-ID: <20090228170442.ABC681878E1@autox.team.net> In one of uncle jack's minor hospital stays, to stave off boredom he wrote up a "brain dump" on building a wet sleeve Triumph TR motor. It was intended for sharing purposes, so I'll do just that. I'll post it on my website in a bit, but here's the Head section (hopefully I don't hit the message size limit): Also, be very careful with the whole "port matching" deal - it's very easy to do more harm than good. Jack and the flowbench found a zillion things that obviously would improve flow that actually hurt flow instead. Unfortunately, I don't know all of the tricks. Having a little step in there is better than having the intake manifold suddenly go to a larger diameter. You cannot go more than 7 degrees from a "straight tube" or the flow separates from the sides and you generate turbulence that actually reduces the effective diameter of the tube. My head flows almost as good as the best one Jack did, and the intake ports are 1 9/16" at the outer face and I run stock diameter valves. - Tony Drews Head 1. Porting the head. I will tell you what to do to get about 80% of the flow improvement that a professional head flower (crazy term) will get. 2. Intake Size the ports per Kass book, 1-1/2 all the way from the manifold face to the valve guide. Take most of the metal off of the short side. Remove the bump that is just inside the manifold face in the port, adjacent to the head bolt hole. Make the short side radius just under the valve seat as smooth and consistent a radius as possible. Leave the port just under the valve seat a little smaller than the valve seat, so that when the machine shop puts in the three angle competition valve seat, you get the full effect of the velocity-inducing three angle seat. 3. Exhaust - with a long shank carbide cutter, remove the big bump in the floor of the bowl where the guide comes through. When viewed from above, if you had x-ray vision, you would see that the path of the port is S-shaped, Remove metal from the inside of the S closest to the valve. Removing more does not do much for flow. 4. Here are the instructions to the machine shop: A. Clean the head thoroughly. Replace the rear freeze plug. B. If they accidentally put a head with aluminum pushrod tubes in a caustic tank, the tubes will disappear. Do not despair. It is really easy to replace them with > aluminum tubing C. The aluminum plug on the top of the head may leak. It is in a threaded hole, and after removing, you can tap it to NPT and put a pipe plug in it. D. Tell them how much to mill. If they are a good shop, you can just tell them the ccs you want in a combustion chamber and they can mill to that. It is risky to take off more than .165 from the stock head thickness of 3.xxx. E. Install guides if you are using the bronze guides, they MUST have .004 stem clearance. The shops take some convincing, but if clearance is less in these old engines, the heat will cause the guide to shrink and the valve to stick, perhaps destroying the entire engine. F. When you get the head back, put a small bead of JB Weld around the edge of the rear freeze plug. Also chamfer the edge of the combustion chamber to remove the hot spot corner created by the milling operation. G. Tell the machine shop the amount of lift of the valves, and have them machine the valve guide accordingly. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 10:09:27 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:09:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) Message-ID: <20090228171001.B067918763F@autox.team.net> I sent a post with some "uncle jack" advice on porting that didn't make it through yet - probably too long. In that post, I promised that I'd put this information along with the rest of uncle jack's engine building tips on my website. Jack wrote this up in one of his brief hospital stays to stave off boredom. He fully intended this to be shared - it's basically a brain dump of many years of engine building experience. I'm still formatting it, and will have to leave in a little bit (so the fully formatted version will be up later today) but the content is all there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm - Tony Drews From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:11:56 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness Message-ID: <000601c999c7$a966d480$6401a8c0@HP> Thanks the consensus is 3.325 to 3.330 Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:17:05 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <000601c999c8$6126c710$6401a8c0@HP> two things come to mind as I consider my 3 kids: Autocross - low consequence, lots of fun, moderate stress and speeds comensurate with real driving. The last thing I want for my youngest in particular is for him to get comfortable at 100mph. Second - I agree with Click and Clack - Volvo Volvo Volvo - they suggest an old 240, I would hold out for an airbag... Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:37:41 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:37:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) Message-ID: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Fantastic - thanks I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or leave a slight grind finish... Cheers, M From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 28 10:42:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:42:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <17997274-0F08-4ABF-A6A6-48390FFA4405@bnj.com> You can polish the ports if you like, but it doesn't add a thing. You'll see no difference on a flow bench. On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Fantastic - thanks > > I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or > leave a slight > grind finish... > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 10:50:18 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:50:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <20090228175052.7C69F18763F@autox.team.net> Don't bother polishing. My understanding is that the polishing does more for the ego of the person receiving the polished part than it does for actual flow. - Tony At 11:37 AM 2/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Fantastic - thanks > >I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or leave a slight >grind finish... > >Cheers, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Feb 28 11:15:55 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:15:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228171001.B067918763F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> > Jack wrote this up in one of his brief hospital stays to > stave off boredom. He fully intended this to be shared - > it's basically a brain dump of many years of engine building > experience. WOW, what a gold mine! Thanks, Tony! Randall - still kicking myself for not having uncle jack do a head for me From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Feb 28 13:10:02 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... Terry Stetler From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Feb 28 13:21:04 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:21:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hardware References: Message-ID: We use top quality Grade 8 cap screws (bolts) after bottom tapping all of the bolt holes. Curtiss Industries makes very good bolts. ARP also has suitable 12 point 1/2" uss cap screws, I do not have the part number handy at the moment. I like to use Metric 12 mm "wave washers" under the heads of the bolts. These "wave washers" which are German "Din" spec lock washers are hard and smooth, so they help give consistent & uniform torque figures to secure the main caps. 90 lbs. ft. of torque with motor oil as lub is plenty. We have never had a problem using these parts. Greg Solow From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 15:10:32 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the top of a piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center punch). The idea, as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in the combustion chamber. - Tony At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? > >Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the >entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf >ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black >arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... > >Terry Stetler >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 15:17:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:17:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> Actually it was "turbulence" they were after, not "swirl". - Tony At 04:10 PM 2/28/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the >top of a piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center >punch). The idea, as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in >the combustion chamber. > >- Tony > >At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >>Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? >> >>Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the >>entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf >>ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black >>arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... >> >>Terry Stetler >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 28 15:28:55 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:28:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall><20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: With the amount of squish area and the high compression used in our racing engines I don't think that more turbulence is required for better combustion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) > Actually it was "turbulence" they were after, not "swirl". > > - Tony > > At 04:10 PM 2/28/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >>One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the top of a >>piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center punch). The idea, >>as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in the combustion chamber. >> >>- Tony >> >>At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >>>Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? >>> >>>Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along >>>the >>>entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a >>>golf >>>ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the >>>black >>>arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... >>> >>>Terry Stetler >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Feb 28 18:51:13 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:51:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Hardware Message-ID: Just ordered a set from ARP. Actually two, one for a friend. They are still recommending bolts rather than studs & nuts. I have all the deminision but am in California at the Vintage Motorsport Council Mtg and won't be back when the info is until Monday. If you still need it just let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 63 TR 4 #69 **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Feb 28 20:39:04 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O.T.: Paul "The Rest of the Story" Harvey, Dead at 90 Message-ID: <49AA0358.3080500@greenheart.com> Another great one gone. --Justin http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090301/ap_on_en_ot/obit_harvey From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 1 00:01:11 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:01:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member Message-ID: I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car came out of Georgia several years back. I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will definitely benefit from the collected wisdom of our august body. His email address is: mpendy at dishmail.net Thanks guys! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Sun Feb 1 03:11:37 2009 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:11:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member Message-ID: <20090201041137.wo7fzsoggis8o840@secure.uwalumni.com> I'll happily second Greg's nomination of Mark Pendergrass. Any friend of Greg is a Friend of Triumph. Jim Hill [Whose first race at Riverside was in a '63 TR4] ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member > I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. > > Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car > came out of Georgia several years back. > I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will > definitely benefit > from the collected wisdom of our august body. > > His email address is: > > mpendy at dishmail.net > > Thanks guys! > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 1 15:40:28 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:40:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Message-ID: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 1 14:46:19 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090201214618.NWDI5582.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning > up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Been awhile since I've had one apart, but the SPC seems to show 5/16 NF bolts in those holes. Randall From westerneagleracing at att.net Sun Feb 1 15:13:59 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:13:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <020120092213.16149.49861EA7000D0BAC00003F1522230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: Cc: fot at autox.team.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for new member Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:11:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020120092211.12030.49861E100005B29600002EFE22230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D at att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: cmoubGF3QGF0dC5uZXQ= X-Remote-Addr: 97.118.105.36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I third the nomination. We need more TR4 racers. Hope you run the Portland Historics in July. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from : -------------- > I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. > > Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car > came out of Georgia several years back. > I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will definitely benefit > from the collected wisdom of our august body. > > His email address is: > > mpendy at dishmail.net > > Thanks guys! > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Feb 2 08:31:47 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <8CB53627EBD0171-C0C-459@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Should be 5/16 - 24? UNF Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:40 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Feb 2 20:33:00 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:33:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Feb 2 20:34:07 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:34:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: The threads in thermostat housing are British Pipe Threads. the threads are not tapered, they are parallel threads. USP 3/8 threads are tapered threads. The sending unit seals by the threads pushing the sending unit against a seat down at the bottom of the treads. The threads themselves do not do the sealing as USP threads do. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last > chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. > > I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter > part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the > treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. > > Thanks, > > Greg > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. 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(http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Feb 2 22:48:09 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:48:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Greg: I ran into this on my TR6. The difference between the British 3/8 pipe and 3/8 American Standard Pipe is very small. 1 thread per inch and 0,010 inch diameter. I just took a 3/8 NPT tap and tapped the threads in the housing to American Standard tapered pipe threads. Very easy, Now the Auto Meter adapter screws right into the housing. Before that I brazed an Auto Meter adapter to an original temp fitting; not pretty but worked. I think the part number is 1074-3/8 NPT for the adapter. By the way, the threads on the other end of the adapter where the temp bulb screws in are 5/8 x 11. Stewart Warner uses that thread size too. Also, the BPT isn't tapered and used a washer (gasket) to seal it. The NPT is tapered and doesn't need the gasket. Pipe dope or teflon tape works to help seal and aid in removal of the NPT fittings. Pegasus has a diagram in their catalog comparing thread sizes, including AN. If you need a 3/8 NTP tap, let me know; I probably have several. Hope this made sense. I spent 2 1/2 hours this morning shoveling the 3 feet of snow off my garage roof and I'm tired. (Tired, tired of playing the game, ain't it a fricking shame, I'm tired.) Blazing Saddles, 1974, Madeline Khan's character. Great satire. But I digress. I need some sleep. Good luck, Bill---- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last > chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. > > I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter > part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the > treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. > > Thanks, > > Greg > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 2 22:57:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:57:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: I know I'm a terrible person, but i always just tap these things out to the next pipe tap size. the notion of a non-tapered pipe thread in cast iron just doesn't make that much sense to me. Of course I once converted a 1958 BSA A-10 to metric, but that's a different story. I bet whoever has that bike today wonders WTF. On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:48 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi Greg: I ran into this on my TR6. > The difference between the British 3/8 pipe and 3/8 American > Standard Pipe > is very small. 1 thread per inch and 0,010 inch diameter. > I just took a 3/8 NPT tap and tapped the threads in the housing to > American Standard tapered pipe threads. Very easy, Now the Auto Meter > adapter screws right into the housing. Before that I brazed an Auto > Meter > adapter to an original temp fitting; not pretty but worked. > I think the part number is 1074-3/8 NPT for the adapter. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 3 14:08:30 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:08:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <001901c98643$913db140$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. You might want to test fit your gauge, Greg. As I recall, the TR4 housing will accept the original TR3 mechanical gauge, and my Sun mechanical temp gauge fits into a TR3 housing perfectly. Randall From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 3 19:41:09 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090203214109.5XPMU.4366217.root@mp17> Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear synchronizer was destroyed too. Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like to be on top end. Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll (yes I'm from Texas) posted. Bobby Whitehead #53 Triumph GT6 CVAR From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 3 20:42:02 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics Message-ID: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> knowing a pawnbroker in these economic times may be very valuable... where are you at? i am coming down to texas in a few days. whats the policy on pawning well used TRIUMPH parts? >Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear synchronizer was destroyed too. >Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. >By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like to be on top end. >Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... >I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll (yes I'm from Texas) posted. > >Bobby Whitehead >#53 Triumph GT6 CVAR >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Feb 3 20:51:51 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would be interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable price range. And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. Madeline Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished before April Fools day. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 3 21:07:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:07:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> you ain't seen Nothin' yet....! Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guinan" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would > be > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable > price range. > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. > Madeline > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished > before > April Fools day. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 4 00:08:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:08:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics In-Reply-To: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <3AF143FC-025E-46AA-9A4B-60FF69AA3199@bnj.com> I'm very fond of Pawnbrokers, I got my two BSA goldstars from a pawnbroker. On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:42 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > knowing a pawnbroker in these economic times may be very valuable... > > where are you at? i am coming down to texas in a few days. whats the > policy on pawning well used TRIUMPH parts? > > > >> Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics >> for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ >> TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass >> shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear >> synchronizer was destroyed too. >> Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only >> components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on >> my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. >> By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the >> input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work >> was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a >> 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like >> to be on top end. >> Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many >> days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the >> group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... >> I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline >> as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll >> (yes I'm from Texas) posted. >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> #53 Triumph GT6 CVAR >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 06:28:46 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> Message-ID: <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I saw some Moon Shots at the Glen a few decades ago but I don't think they had anything to do with a car! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > you ain't seen Nothin' yet....! > Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The > Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Guinan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > > > > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't > > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything > > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would > > be > > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable > > price range. > > > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For > > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of > > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my > > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. > > Madeline > > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished > > before > > April Fools day. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Feb 4 08:08:05 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 In-Reply-To: <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Call Rob Noyes Smith in Albuquerque 505-821-4369. He is/was trying to sell my old three. If he hasn't already sold it.......Henry Morrison> From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net> To: budscars at comcast.net; joeg at neb.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> > I saw some Moon Shots at the Glen a few decades ago but I don't think they> had anything to do with a car!> Bill----- Original Message -----> From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Joe Guinan" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:07 PM> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> > > > you ain't seen Nothin' yet....!> > Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The> > Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Joe Guinan" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM> > Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> >> >> > > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I> don't> > > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so> anything> > > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away> would> > > be> > > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his> acceptable> > > price range.> > >> > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter?> For> > > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been> out of> > > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much> my> > > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer.> > > Madeline> > > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last> week.> > >> > > Joe Guinan> > > Fremont, NE> > > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished> > > before> > > April Fools day.> > > _______________________________________________> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > >> > > http://www.fot-racing.com> > >> > > Fot mailing list> > > Fot at autox.team.net> > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Feb 4 14:38:18 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:38:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the hardware that was used. It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find any in that size. Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Feb 4 15:25:49 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 header Message-ID: <833B5ACC-DCC7-427C-90AF-BECE49352B6D@earthlink.net> Hello All, Anybody got a TR3/4 header they want to part with? I learned my lesson with "heat tape" by burning a perfectly good/new exhaust header up in two seasons using the stuff... great for the drag racers but no good for extended running in my experience. Too cheap to buy a new one. The other idea is to build one using the very nice - thick and still good manifold flange I have. Question: If I were to build one, what are the real-world advantages of 4 into 1 vs. 4 into 2 into 1 ? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 4 15:27:15 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:27:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: When I did it, I drilled out the hole and tapped it for an AN fitting directly. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit > engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to > the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble > locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to > be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation > Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the > hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find > any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the > fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Feb 4 15:35:29 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: <1E99F98C-F221-4BF5-A83C-7401CB3D2146@comcast.net> All the block fittings are tapered pipe thread, not straight thread, don''t remember the size. I did this on a GT6 motor - got all the fittings and hose from Pegasus Auto Racing - if you do not have their catalogue, get one, as it is a useful reference tool even if you get stuff somewhere else. they have every combination of fitting sizes, shapes and threads you can possibly need. I used steel fittings in the block, and made up my own AN lines with steel fittings at the block end and aluminum where they connected to the aluminum "manifold" (piece of bar stock, drilled and tapped). I'm assuming you have made up AN lines before, but if not, get a cheap cut-off/chop saw from Harbor Freight etc. Hacksaws just fray the lines too much. On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my > 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment > and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine > block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having > trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. > They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph > Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is > not listed is the hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I > cannot find any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source > the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 4 15:47:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my engine. Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the hardware that was used. It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find any in that size. Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Feb 4 16:47:16 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:47:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <498A2904.6050306@141.com> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. Brad Barr, Scott wrote: > I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be > big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings > will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them > out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from > Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in > the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my > engine. > > Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would > be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN > adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line > at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a > Spitfire > > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L > Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and > split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble > locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear > to be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation > Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is > the hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot > find any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the > fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 17:05:47 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> <1E99F98C-F221-4BF5-A83C-7401CB3D2146@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c98725$80180f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; for cutting braided lines, I got a stainless hose and cable cutter from Jegs for about $40. It works really well and can be carried in your toolbox. PN 555-80576. Comes in a larger size too for up to -24. Much better than a hacksaw and smaller than a cutoff saw. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Glenn Franco" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > All the block fittings are tapered pipe thread, not straight thread, > don''t remember the size. I did this on a GT6 motor - got all the > fittings and hose from Pegasus Auto Racing - if you do not have their > catalogue, get one, as it is a useful reference tool even if you get > stuff somewhere else. they have every combination of fitting sizes, > shapes and threads you can possibly need. I used steel fittings in > the block, and made up my own AN lines with steel fittings at the > block end and aluminum where they connected to the aluminum > "manifold" (piece of bar stock, drilled and tapped). I'm assuming > you have made up AN lines before, but if not, get a cheap cut-off/chop > saw from Harbor Freight etc. Hacksaws just fray the lines too much. > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > > > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my > > 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment > > and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine > > block. > > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having > > trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. > > They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. > > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph > > Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is > > not listed is the hardware that was used. > > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I > > cannot find any in that size. > > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source > > the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance > > Glenn Franco > > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 4 18:05:06 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:05:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <498A2904.6050306@141.com> Message-ID: Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have > T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way > into the oil gallery passages. > > Brad > > > Barr, Scott wrote: >> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be >> big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings >> will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them >> out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from >> Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in >> the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my >> engine. >> >> Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would >> be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN >> adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line >> at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a >> Spitfire >> >> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L >> Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and >> split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. >> The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble >> locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear >> to be 5/16 fine thread. >> I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation >> Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is >> the hardware that was used. >> It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot >> find any in that size. >> Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the >> fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn Franco >> 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Feb 4 19:20:50 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815214.5580.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rocky: With your setup, when the flow is out of the Accusump where does it flow to? Thanks - Ed --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Rocky Entriken wrote: From: Rocky Entriken Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 7:05 PM Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have > T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way > into the oil gallery passages. > > Brad > > > Barr, Scott wrote: >> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be >> big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings >> will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them >> out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from >> Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in >> the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my >> engine. >> >> Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would >> be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN >> adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line >> at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a >> Spitfire >> >> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L >> Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and >> split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. >> The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble >> locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear >> to be 5/16 fine thread. >> I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation >> Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is >> the hardware that was used. >> It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot >> find any in that size. >> Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the >> fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn Franco >> 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Feb 4 19:35:46 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool Message-ID: <156555.81869.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group, I know this is not related to Triumph's in any form or fashion, but I also know that many in this group are like me (no, not a moron) also pilots or have a love for aircraft. Found this cool link and thought I'd share it. Okay; on this list, who has more gauges in their Triumph? www.uscockpits.com -Ed- From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 4 22:50:01 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:50:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <498A2904.6050306@141.com> Message-ID: <3099D31A-2056-4DB7-B277-58000BF12588@bnj.com> That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into > the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right > there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of > the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the > Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to > the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we >> have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter >> all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Feb 5 07:44:09 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:44:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 data base Message-ID: Guys, I have been working behind the scenes here to organize this Group 44 tribute event and it has come together very well. I now have a spreadsheet with what I think is almost all the Group 44 cars and all the people associated with Group 44. I am still trying to figure out if there were two Group 44 Midgets and who has the late Group 44 GT6. I think it is (or at least) was James Dolan. Does anyone know this car or this person? Although I found pieces of Tullius' original TR3 and I heard that one of the TR4s was hillclimbing in PA, I am still looking for some of the early cars. At this point, my GT6+ looks to be the earliest Group 44 car known. Anybody have more details. The GT6 is now pretty much done and will be racing at The Mitty. Does anyone who has not contacted me already have any further info knowledge or pics of Group 44 cars? Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Feb 5 08:19:01 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:19:01 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil gall ey port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent of 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as regulating the oil pressure. Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this myself, and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- unless you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. Even then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Feb 5 08:30:26 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:30:26 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event Message-ID: I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. Most of the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars commited. Joe Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an eastcoast FOT event for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group steward. Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. We also have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT members to autocross. We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 team. Most of the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed Diehl, Tony Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve Knoll, Lanky Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to attend. We will have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at each table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation with old footage from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our emcee. After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and the team members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, that had so much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. Judging by some of the stories I have already heard from these team members, it should also be very entertaining. We will also have at least a dozen Group 44 cars on display next to the Chalet. This is a semi-private party for original team members and current car owners. It will be held at Road Atlanta's Chalet and will begin at 6:00pm with beer, wine and soft drinks provided. (probably have a cash bar as well). We have room for about 100 additional people and I wanted to offer this to FOT members, Classic Motorsports subscribers and Jaguar and MG club members first. Tickets will most likely sell out in just a few days, so please act fast if you want to be part of this special evening. The price per ticket is $45 per person and does not include track ticket for the weekend. Tickets for this dinner are available at our website. GRMSpeedfest.com. For the rest of the weekend, we will have autograph signing sessions with Bob Tullius and various team members at our tent. We will have a parade lap session and gala celebration of the Group 44 cars on the grid on Saturday and Bob Tullius, himself will take one lucky person for a ride around Road Atlanta in a Group 44 car (contest details on our website). We will stage the cars from newest to oldest and this should make quite a green and white spectacle that shouldnbt be missed by any Triumph, MG or Jaguar fan. >From there, Group 44 cars will run int there normal run groups. If there is enough interest by Triumph, MG and Jaguar racers, we will have groups and special races dedicated to those groups. HSR officals tell me it would take about 30 cars to warrant special run groups. If everyone comes, we can get this done. >From a spectator standpoint, this will be the biggest Mitty ever. Already Corvair, Formula Vee and other special interest race groups have pledged to attend the Mitty to race. There has also been more interest from clubs then ever before, as we are hosting a Mazdapalloza club group, the Spitfire Squadron and many, many British car clubs have pledged attendance. Mark your calendars, check for updates and VIP tickets on our site and we look forward to seeing everyone at The Mitty. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Feb 5 08:38:22 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like a spectacular event. One question. Why are the tickets to the Group 44 Dinner restricted to residents of the US? FOT is not a US only. Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: February 5, 2009 10:30 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net; debbie at grassrootsmotorsports.com; baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com; david at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. Most of the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars commited. Joe Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an eastcoast FOT event for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group steward. Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. We also have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT members to autocross. We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 team. Most of the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed Diehl, Tony Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve Knoll, Lanky Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to attend. We will have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at each table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation with old footage from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our emcee. After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and the team members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, that had so much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 08:43:54 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool In-Reply-To: <156555.81869.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <989063.29090.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW ... Ed, youre right about us nuts on the list, but I guess this reminded me of where I came from ... heres a link to what is going in the current cockpits we are building now ... just a tiny bit different ... http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g550/technology.htm see any difference, old to new ????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Wed, 2/4/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool To: "FOT" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:35 PM Group, I know this is not related to Triumph's in any form or fashion, but I also know that many in this group are like me (no, not a moron) also pilots or have a love for aircraft. Found this cool link and thought I'd share it. Okay; on this list, who has more gauges in their Triumph? www.uscockpits.com -Ed- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mediehljr at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 09:34:29 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:34:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3099D31A-2056-4DB7-B277-58000BF12588@bnj.com> Message-ID: <896213.71034.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Bill and all. I found that one important thing on this installation is to have a one way check valve in the system to prevent the oil from going two ways as it leaves the accusump and only flowing into the bearings. Put the valve on the cooler side of the "T". Cheers and stay warm. Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Babcock wrote: From: Bill Babcock Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:50 AM That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Feb 5 09:47:08 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:47:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: <200902050947665.SM08760@[166.70.182.40]> Ed, We use a check vavle in Susan's system as well.B It forces all the oil back into the oil galleries. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Ed Diehl" Sent 2/5/2009 9:34:29 AM To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a SpitfireHi, Bill and all. I found that one important thing on this installation is to have a one way check valve in the system to prevent the oil from going two ways as it leaves the accusump and only flowing into the bearings. Put the valve on the cooler side of the "T". Cheers and stay warm. Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Babcock wrote: From: Bill Babcock Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:50 AM That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:06:31 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:06:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes: > > << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for > me. > I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter > rupture or > come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get > the > motor shut down. >> > > I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. > This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil > gall > ey > port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent > of > 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as > regulating the oil pressure. > > Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this myself, > and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- > unless > you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. Even > then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. > ************** > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to > stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of oiling system front annotated.jpg] From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:13:03 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:13:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> Now that I think of this design, I have decided I do not like it -- if the Accusump fires, most of the oil will go to the oil filter return. Am going to directly plumb the Accusump to the large port on the galley [if the PI metering unit allows room]. Will then put the one way valve on the "T" from the oil cooler line so all the Accusmp oil goes to the galley [does this seem like a good idea?]. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Billb at bnj.com >> writes: >> >> << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that >> for me. >> I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter >> rupture or >> come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to >> get the >> motor shut down. >> >> >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. >> This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil >> gall >> ey >> port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent >> of >> 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as >> regulating the oil pressure. >> >> Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this >> myself, >> and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- >> unless >> you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. >> Even >> then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. >> ************** >> Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to >> stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 5 11:05:38 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:05:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <081AFD46-91DE-4333-BF91-AAC12ED72BE3@bnj.com> Sounds like a lot of stuff. An accusump serves three purposes--pre- lubricates the engine prior to starting, keeps oil pressure above some minimum, and provides pressure for shutdown in the event of a problem in the oil delivery system. It's not there to increase oil flow, you do that in other ways, either by raising pressure or by enlarging the oil passage that you want more flow from. As far as i can see on TR3/4 motors the only place we really need to worry about those three things is crank bearings--mains and rods. The rest of the stuff gets adequate oil for the most part and can get by on residual oil during an emergency. Our expensive crankshaft's can't. All due respect to Sam, it sounds more like he's talking about keeping an engine together for a race than having one last a season or more. I like things to be as simple as they can be AND NO MORE. Directly connecting an accumulator to the oil gallery seems to make my engines last and last. The motor in Peyote lasted an entire season, and then went on the all aluminum tour. It was still running fine when Garmey rebuilt it. If you can do something like that with a clean, light, unencumbered solution versus something that might be initially easier to do but is both more complicated and less reliable, then I'd always bite the bullet and go for simple and reliable. On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > Now that I think of this design, I have decided I do not like it -- > if the > Accusump fires, most of the oil will go to the oil filter return. > Am going > to directly plumb the Accusump to the large port on the galley [if > the PI > metering unit allows room]. Will then put the one way valve on the > "T" from > the oil cooler line so all the Accusmp oil goes to the galley [does > this > seem like a good idea?]. > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Arnold > wrote: > >> I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three >> oil >> gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the >> Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter >> return and >> to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. >> Threelines from >> the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. >> >> Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is >> notreally >> necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by >> enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to >> 1/8th >> inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on >> number 1 >> main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles >> and a >> windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra >> capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together >> this year From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 5 20:27:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:27:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [TTSCC] old days racing Tr4s Message-ID: <5DE28FB1736F42CA9BA0CB2976B62DBB@Bud> Hi Gang..I'm trying to find some of the guys I raced with in the early 1970s..in DP San Francisco Region ..i sent the following email to Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [TTSCC] old days racing Tr4s Hi Gang...As a Triumph Travelers Member now, and formerly(early 1970s for a year or 2)...In those days there were quite a few TTSCS members racing Tr4s in SCCA San Francisco Region...I Raced a Black Tr4..with Yellow Wheels and yellow racing stripe...Are any of you guys that I raced with/knew then still members..etc.?....I lived in the east bay then, and bought the black TR4 from Alva Rodriques of Gonzales(Salinas area) ..Before i bought it, Roger Hettrick drove it for Alva..They moved on to a GT6, which they went to the National Championships with..(unfortunately Roger rolled the car on the 1st lap after qualifying 4th... 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Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. . __,_._,___ From baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thu Feb 5 08:48:21 2009 From: baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Baxter) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:48:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's an error, Paul, now corrected. On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > Sounds like a spectacular event. One question. > > Why are the tickets to the Group 44 Dinner restricted to residents > of the > US? FOT is not a US only. > > Thanks > > Paul MacDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com > Sent: February 5, 2009 10:30 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net; debbie at grassrootsmotorsports.com; > baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com; david at grassrootsmotorsports.com > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event > > > I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. > Most of > the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April > 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars > commited. Joe > Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an > eastcoast FOT > event > for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group > steward. > Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday > night. We > also > have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT > members to > autocross. > > We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 > team. Most > of > the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed > Diehl, Tony > Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve > Knoll, > Lanky > Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to > attend. We > will > have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at > each > table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation > with old > footage > from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our > emcee. > > After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and > the team > members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, > that > had > so > much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. > Tim Baxter - Online Editor Grassroots Motorsports Classic Motorsports NEW ADDRESS/ PHONE: 915 Ridgewood Ave., Holly Hill, FL 32117 386-239-0523 386-239-0573 fax From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Feb 6 07:19:44 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> Hey everyone, Who is planning on racing at the Walter Mitty this year (April 30-May 3 at Road Atlanta)? Brad and I are very interested in the event (Tim's Group 44 planning looks AWESOME!) and are trying to decide if we want to just spectate or race. It looks like if we can get 30+ Triumphs, we can have a feature race, according to the info in Tim's email of yesterday. Who's up for it??? Have a great day! Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Feb 6 07:24:39 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:24:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the Group 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we have the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer cars coming. That's eight already. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 6 08:51:45 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? In-Reply-To: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> References: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <485226B2BB734520B2EDAACBE146D8FE@richardiipc> 'Ole 196 will be there. Richard Taylor, -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:20 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Hey everyone, Who is planning on racing at the Walter Mitty this year (April 30-May 3 at Road Atlanta)? Brad and I are very interested in the event (Tim's Group 44 planning looks AWESOME!) and are trying to decide if we want to just spectate or race. It looks like if we can get 30+ Triumphs, we can have a feature race, according to the info in Tim's email of yesterday. Who's up for it??? Have a great day! Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri Feb 6 11:54:18 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] transmissions References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> Message-ID: <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Ken: I will forward your request to the list. www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Stone To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: transmissions Looking for a transmission for a tr4a including perhaps a core overdirve tranny. Any way to get word out to your members? Thanks Ken Stone 40 Ford's Crossing Norwell, MA. 02061 781-659-4768 From benchmarkmap at charter.net Fri Feb 6 13:12:26 2009 From: benchmarkmap at charter.net (Fred & Carolyn Easton) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Message-ID: <001a01c98897$3af4f0e0$6601a8c0@Easton2> We are abandoning our TR4A project. Block -- NG Original overdrive transmission Please contact off line if interested. Fred From Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca Fri Feb 6 13:39:21 2009 From: Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca (Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:39:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: FOT and Tim Please count me in to bring my red/white TR-8 down to the Mitty. Peter Bulkowski #42 TR-8 Canada -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: GRMTim Sent: 02/06/2009 09:24 AM To: spitfiresuz at 141.com;FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the Group 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we have the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer cars coming. That's eight already. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Feb 6 13:59:08 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:59:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498CA49C.7060901@charter.net> Thanks for all the advice on plumbing my Spit Accusump. Looks like I will T into the oil feed line to the remote oil filter and cooler with 10an fittings and hose. For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. The gallery plugs on these Spit engine have the same plug as the plug on the head that feed the rocker shaft assembly with a remote oil feed kit. I thought the easy fix would be to source 5/16" flow bolts and banjo fittings, but no luck. Thanks again Glenn Franco 72 Spit race car and too many other triumphs Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Feb 7 06:18:00 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:18:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498CA49C.7060901@charter.net> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about plumbing multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't one big line going to do exactly the same thing? Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one adequately sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more stuff to go wrong. Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your motor is already toast... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. From billdentin at aol.com Sat Feb 7 07:37:06 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year In-Reply-To: <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. Congratulations to TONY DREWS. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 7 07:51:11 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:51:11 EST Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Message-ID: I think Bill has been to Las Vegas to a Masonry Convention. This is an exciting event. They spend 4 days watching concrete dry. But it does stay in Las Vegas. > Amici... > > I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of > FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the > VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY > DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. > > Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. > > Congratulations to TONY DREWS. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Feb 7 07:54:26 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:54:26 EST Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty Message-ID: Absolutely, you can park your motorhome right next to ours and next to the Moss pub. That said, we do not paddock in this area, so if you are racing, we can set up an offical FOT paddock area as well. Get with me early enough to do this, not after everyone is set up and I need to move stuff around. Looks like we are already up to 15-20 Triumphs. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 2/6/09 6:20:13 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Tim, > > If I bring my motorhome, is there way we can park it in your general > vicinity as the "Official FOT Vehicle"? Out of the way and in the background is > fine. > > I am going to try to encourage a few folks and I do expect a few, however, > there are several on the east coast that are planning to go to the Jefferson > 500. > > But you have a very significant event and I would like to be there for it. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the > Group > 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one > other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we > have > the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer > cars coming. That's eight already. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > > ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00 000003) From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 09:14:55 2009 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA DRIVER of theYEAR Message-ID: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Congratulations Tony! A very deserved award. You exemplify the spirit of Vintage Racing. Ken Suhre From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Feb 7 09:45:04 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Tony Drews References: Message-ID: <1FD364A3-EFAA-457B-B4F1-D88435288F0A@earthlink.net> > CONGRATULATIONS TONY!!! Well deserved! > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 and 1 time pilot of Tony's #95... Did I remember to say > THANKS Tony? > Albuquerque NM > On Feb 7, 2009, at 7:37 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a >> bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been >> announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last >> Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of >> the Year award. >> >> Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. >> >> Congratulations to TONY DREWS. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Feb 7 09:49:12 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:49:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year In-Reply-To: <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c98944$018a92d0$049fb870$@com> Well done and well deserved, Tony. Just being able to keep your feet on the pedals at ELVF last year while "lubricating" the footwells seemed like quite an accomplishment!! And as I recall you had some of your better lap times at Road America. Lunker did give you a lot of incentive, also, as I recall. Sharing your car with Lunker for the weekend certainly was in the tradition of vintage racing. Great job, great drive. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Amici... I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. Congratulations to TONY DREWS. Bill Dentinger Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 7 09:53:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:53:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> I agree, I use a single line. I think people are trying to get around making the gallery plug hole bigger. Nerve-wracking to drill on something like that, but worth doing as long as you can catch all the chips and clean the block after. I have also taken that opportunity to enlarge the bearing feed holes. On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about > plumbing > multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't > one big line going to do exactly the same thing? > > Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? > > Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery > feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one > adequately > sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more > stuff to go wrong. > > Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your > motor is already toast... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Franco > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > Lines > On a Spitfire > > For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they > can be directly plumbed from my accusump. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From triosan at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 10:01:36 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:01:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902070901p60e4baacr2808025b1c3f631c@mail.gmail.com> I think enlarging the bearing feed holes may be the key with the TR6 engine. Doing that this rebuild. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I agree, I use a single line. I think people are trying to get around > making the gallery plug hole bigger. Nerve-wracking to drill on > something like that, but worth doing as long as you can catch all the > chips and clean the block after. I have also taken that opportunity to > enlarge the bearing feed holes. > On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > > > I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about > > plumbing > > multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't > > one big line going to do exactly the same thing? > > > > Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? > > > > Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery > > feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one > > adequately > > sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more > > stuff to go wrong. > > > > Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your > > motor is already toast... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Glenn Franco > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > > Lines > > On a Spitfire > > > > For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they > > can be directly plumbed from my accusump. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 7 10:04:19 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:04:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes004.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes003.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes001.jpg[/IMG] **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 7 10:37:35 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:37:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F999F5029E94DF08F117E341920AB4A@KasPC> Don't be fooled by just enlarging the bores of the oil ways. There is a bushing that intrudes into the main gallery in the 6 cylinder engines and it restricts the flow to the front of the engine. THAT is why I did the piping to the cam bearing taped holes in the side of the block way back in the late 60's. It is the front of the engine that starves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire >I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return > and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Billb at bnj.com >> writes: >> >> << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that >> for >> me. >> I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter >> rupture or >> come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to >> get >> the >> motor shut down. >> >> >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. >> This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center >> oil >> gall >> ey >> port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent >> of >> 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as >> regulating the oil pressure. >> >> Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this >> myself, >> and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- >> unless >> you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. >> Even >> then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. >> ************** >> Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to >> stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > oiling system front annotated.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mediehljr at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 16:12:23 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:12:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <473193.90515.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Henry, you are correct. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Henry Frye wrote: From: Henry Frye Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:18 AM I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about plumbing multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't one big line going to do exactly the same thing? Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one adequately sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more stuff to go wrong. Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your motor is already toast... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 7 16:59:41 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:59:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: Let's keep in mind there are two very different engines in play here. You TR4 guys face entirely different problems than the six guys. I'd not deign sneer at anything the fours do until I understood why... **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Feb 8 06:46:17 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion Message-ID: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? thxx all, Bob From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 8 09:42:54 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's email address is Bill Close . Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. -------------------- I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact Bill. It's a great kit! Count me as one very satisfied customer. -------------------- At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: >Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if >so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is >there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? > >thxx all, >Bob >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 11:02:04 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:02:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Cannot beat Herman's quality -- and he includes a linear throw out bearing that alone costs 500 [bearing alone costs 300, custom mount]. Not sure how Bill does it for that price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped > conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's > email address is Bill Close . > > Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. > > -------------------- > I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I > picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 > for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except > when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for > you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on > the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if > the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. > > If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact > Bill. It's a great kit! > > Count me as one very satisfied customer. > > -------------------- > > At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: > >> Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how >> well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in >> FOT land that might be for sale? >> >> thxx all, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 8 11:20:37 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:20:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA DRIVER of theYEAR In-Reply-To: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Way to go Tony! Congrats! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 8 11:23:01 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:23:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090208182348.33CBF187683@autox.team.net> Don't say "cannot" when you are not sure of what you speak. I'll let Bill speak for himself or you can contact him yourself. His phone number is 602-524-5351. Bill decided to build these conversions when he could not get Herman to cut him a discount on a multi unit order. Herman's response was that if Bill wanted them at a lower price build them himself. He did. End of story. Bill owns 4-5 restored TR3's, a TR4, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth motor, a concourse winning Alfa Spyder, a Lancia Scorpion and a Super7. He has built, driven and owned race cars forever. He is always the first person I call when I have a question or need help. At 11:02 AM 2/8/2009, Chuck Arnold wrote: Cannot beat Herman's quality -- and he includes a linear throw out bearing that alone costs 500 [bearing alone costs 300, custom mount]. Not sure how Bill does it for that price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's email address is Bill Close . Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. -------------------- I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact Bill. It's a great kit! Count me as one very satisfied customer. -------------------- At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? thxx all, Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 8 12:45:29 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:45:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090208194529.ZVLR8858.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@randall> > Not sure how Bill does it for that > price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. I believe that is true. If I'm thinking of the right one, Bill's conversion uses an original bellhousing, clutch linkage and pressure plate; which means you don't have to change the flywheel and starter as with Herman's conversion (on earlier TRs). The bellhousing gets cut away from the original gearbox housing, then reinforced and machined to accept the Toy box. And while I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, I kind of like having the clutch hydraulics out where they can be serviced without removing the transmission. With Herman's setup, you even have to pull the gearbox to adjust the clutch. Randall From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sun Feb 8 12:53:25 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:53:25 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK Message-ID: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Hi, Everyone This is just to let you all know there have been recent updates to the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that hopefully a goodly number of you will find interesting? To start with, 'Stagmeister' Joe Pawlak and his loyal band of smashed knucklers at Illinois Sports Owners Association have made real progress with the car. The front and rear suspension is in place, the body is fully painted and the engine rebuild is well underway. If you haven't seen the website recently, there are some new pix so you can see what's going on. Additionally, I'm now delighted to be able to confirm the route details, dates and venues (where known and confirmed) are now on the website as well. Click on the route on the site sidebar and apart from the latest map, you'll be able to see where "uncle jack" and I will be at any time or date. There are still a number of things to firm up regarding events but the bare bones are now in place. We had a major disappointment a few weeks ago when the US charity we'd hoped to work with, decided for reasons we're still not too sure about - to withdraw from the TTACD. The search is now on to identify and recruit a fully accredited and registered US 501c3 non-profit to work with us. Hopefully, we'll be able to reveal all when that sanction is gained. >From now onwards, the next stages of the event are to identify which clubs close to the route want to join in on the Drive itself. Who wants to join a caravan and who doesn't - where each caravan will start and finish etc etc. I'll also soon be opening the doors for 'caravanners' to book their rallyboard or a seat in "uncle jack" as he makes his noble (and noisy) progress across Canada and the U.S. Four months to go now = and counting Jonmac From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 8 13:39:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:39:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK In-Reply-To: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: <7064BCE6-CA87-4624-A79B-F19AFCD693DB@bnj.com> John, I've been looking at your schedule and route, and it's tantalizingly close to the dates for the Kastner Cup event at Portland International Raceways (Sept 5 - 7 Columbia River Classic Road Race) The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the Northwest. We'll be putting together a fairly elaborate and fun set of events surrounding the race. It looks like the timing will be decidedly off and you have some pretty firm looking conflicts, but I thought I would be remiss if I didn't let you know. On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Hi, Everyone > > This is just to let you all know there have been recent updates to > the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that hopefully a > goodly number of you will find interesting? > > To start with, 'Stagmeister' Joe Pawlak and his loyal band of > smashed knucklers at Illinois Sports Owners Association have made > real progress with the car. The front and rear suspension is in > place, the body is fully painted and the engine rebuild is well > underway. If you haven't seen the website recently, there are some > new pix so you can see what's going on. > > Additionally, I'm now delighted to be able to confirm the route > details, dates and venues (where known and confirmed) are now on the > website as well. Click on the route on the site sidebar and apart > from the latest map, you'll be able to see where "uncle jack" and I > will be at any time or date. There are still a number of things to > firm up regarding events but the bare bones are now in place. We had > a major disappointment a few weeks ago when the US charity we'd > hoped to work with, decided for reasons we're still not too sure > about - to withdraw from the TTACD. The search is now on to identify > and recruit a fully accredited and registered US 501c3 non-profit to > work with us. Hopefully, we'll be able to reveal all when that > sanction is gained. > >> From now onwards, the next stages of the event are to identify >> which clubs close to the route want > to join in on the Drive itself. Who wants to join a caravan and who > doesn't - where each caravan will start and finish etc etc. I'll > also soon be opening the doors for 'caravanners' to book their > rallyboard or a seat in "uncle jack" as he makes his noble (and > noisy) progress across Canada and the U.S. > > Four months to go now = and counting > > Jonmac _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:09:31 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:09:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain Message-ID: <000401c98a53$10651b30$6401a8c0@blake1> What is the trick to get the cam gear back on with a new AE chain? I am using a new crank sprocket new (stock style) cam gear, and new AE chain. The chain seems very tight and I can not get the cam sprocket back onto the cam. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:54:55 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c98a59$67ec4670$6401a8c0@blake1> Gary, Michael, Greg, Thank you for the tip, each of you had the same suggestion. What would I do with out you guys? Gary, Will you be at TWS in February? Greg -----Original Message----- From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com [mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain The chain has to go on both sprockets before you put either of them on. You get both of them started with the chain in place and then just slowly tap them both back into place. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO _____ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sun Feb 8 20:33:12 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:33:12 EST Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain Message-ID: No, going to have to miss the Feb event. I have found (after just thinking I was going to install a windage tray that I actually was quite lucky to not blow the entire engine in the TR 4 so I am currently waiting on a couple of parts and will completely rebuild it. I should be ready for Hallett though so hopefully will catch up there. Cheers, Gary **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 02:55:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup focus event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting up a website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios about both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. Gather up some good pics of your car. The site is at http://www.crclassic.com The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with british cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous amount of stuff to see and do. It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem getting that, this is a very special event. I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some fine parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit--contrast stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him where he got it and he said "from my closet". Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) Blukarski said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to do: Roadtrip!" Bill Babcock Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 http://www.AllAluminumTour.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 07:54:32 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:54:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: Bill, Please let me know what I can do to help. For everyone else I'll be glad to go through my files and supply Bill with shots I have of the Midwest contingent. Just contact me so I know who's photos to look for. Greg Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: Billb at bnj.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphtrans-americainfo at triumphtransamerica.org.uk; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website > > I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup focus > event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland > International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting up a > website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be > attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change > quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios about > both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- > based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are > racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. Gather > up some good pics of your car. > > The site is at http://www.crclassic.com > > The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, > which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the > Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with british > cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid > days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on > Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous > amount of stuff to see and do. > > It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than > you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race > if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem > getting that, this is a very special event. > > I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some fine > parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. > One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with > Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit--contrast > stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him where he > got it and he said "from my closet". > > Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- > grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) Blukarski > said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to do: > Roadtrip!" > > > Bill Babcock > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > > http://www.AllAluminumTour.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 09:27:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:27:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> <7064BCE6-CA87-4624-A79B-F19AFCD693DB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1699A893-F046-4FCD-B44B-38410727164B@bnj.com> I thought that would be the case , John, but I wanted to extend the invitation. It would certainly be a pleasure to see you when you get near Portland On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:38 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Hi, Bill > > Thanks very much for your suggestion and I do agree that it would be > great to be at Portland on the dates indicated. Sadly, I have to sit > that one out. > The route for the whole event gradually evolved with different > Triumph Clubs inviting me to visit them during the time window I was > planning to be in the US and Canada. Added to that, they have also > done a lot of work in arranging special events of a fundraising > nature and to these, dates have had to be applied. > Without wanting to sound like a killjoy or old before my time, I > also have to think of me. It's strictly a case of Anno Domini but I > find (with much regret) that I simply cannot cover the distances I > once did without thinking about them - and my stroke in 2005 was the > warning shot across the bows. > The bottom line is I've just got to pace myself and break the trip > up into easily managed daily segments and with regular R&R breaks, > otherwise a number of people here (wife, step-daughter, two sons and > my doctor) could turn nasty :) > But all that to one side, I do appreciate your suggestion and hope > that somehow we'll be able to meet - somewhere, sometime? > > Cheers, John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: John Macartney > Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; Triumph Trans-America ; triumphs at autox.team.net > ; spitfires at autox.team.net ; 6-Pack > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK > > John, I've been looking at your schedule and route, and it's > tantalizingly close to the dates for the Kastner Cup event at > Portland International Raceways (Sept 5 - 7 Columbia River Classic > Road Race) The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British > Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars > in the Northwest. > > We'll be putting together a fairly elaborate and fun set of events > surrounding the race. It looks like the timing will be decidedly off > and you have some pretty firm looking conflicts, but I thought I > would be remiss if I didn't let you know. From billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 11:28:53 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:28:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: Thanks Greg, if you sign up on the site I will make you an editor, which means you can add content yourself. That offer goes as well for any carbon-based lifeform that would like to assist with this effort. You can't use these powers to advertise porn, or any device that might enlarge any portions of my anatomy, but other than that pretty much anything goes. On Feb 9, 2009, at 4:54 AM, wrote: > Bill, > > Please let me know what I can do to help. > > For everyone else I'll be glad to go through my files and supply > Bill with shots I have of the Midwest contingent. Just contact me so > I know who's photos to look for. > > Greg > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > From: Billb at bnj.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 > > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphtrans-americainfo at triumphtransamerica.org.uk > ; 6pack at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website > > > > I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup > focus > > event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland > > International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting > up a > > website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be > > attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change > > quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios > about > > both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- > > based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are > > racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. > Gather > > up some good pics of your car. > > > > The site is at http://www.crclassic.com > > > > The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, > > which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the > > Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with > british > > cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid > > days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on > > Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous > > amount of stuff to see and do. > > > > It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than > > you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race > > if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem > > getting that, this is a very special event. > > > > I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some > fine > > parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. > > One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with > > Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit-- > contrast > > stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him > where he > > got it and he said "from my closet". > > > > Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- > > grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) > Blukarski > > said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to > do: > > Roadtrip!" > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > > > http://www.AllAluminumTour.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rikrock at aol.com Mon Feb 9 14:11:06 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paging Joe Boruch Message-ID: <8CB59120E926E32-1184-AF8@webmail-me13.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Call me at 610-804-9047.? I need to get your address so that I can return the oil pump we borrowed at the track this summer. Rich Rock From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Feb 9 15:04:15 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:04:15 EST Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion Message-ID: In a message dated 2/8/09 11:46:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: << And while I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, I kind of like having the clu tch hydraulics out where they can be serviced without removing the transmissio n. With Herman's setup, you even have to pull the gearbox to adjust the clutc h. >> Dan Styduhar installed a Herman System in his street TR-3, and drove it to the big Triumph blowout at Watkins Glen last summer. I rode with Dan in his TR-3 down into town to watch the street races. Something happened to Dan's transmission, and he couldn't go into reverse to back out of a gas station. He rman sent Dan a couple of upgraded parts to hopefully fix the problem. ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 20:09:23 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:09:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup site Message-ID: <1439625A-4ED8-4C4D-B489-AC26FF7FAAD2@bnj.com> Is a lot more interesting now. I'm still working on it, but it's time for those of you that are going to race your car, drive your Triumph to the event, or just would like to daydream about a cross country road trip to upload pictures of your toys. there's a forms tab that lets you do this without much more computer savvy than the average senior citizen. http://www.crclassic.com Bill From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 10 01:51:18 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] front oil seal Message-ID: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> Like a dummy, I thought the front oil seal was in my gasket set. Of course I did not bother to look until tonight when I was ready to button up the engine. Needless to say, I am hurting for a front oil seal in a big hurry. Has anyone found a cross reference to a NAPA or other national chain. Thanks, Greg From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Feb 10 08:55:15 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: Message-ID: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 09:32:18 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:32:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: You didn't mention that you checked to see if the throttle discs themselves are closing all the way. They can be tightened in place and not allow closure leaving a large air opening. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gasket Works Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:55 AM To: RLEslEagle at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Feb 10 09:42:21 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:21 EST Subject: [Fot] help, please! Message-ID: Bob is certainly correct on the throttle disks although I had a problem like this once a long time ago after a Carb rebuild and while the gray matter is indeed gray I think it was caused by installing the idler arms backwards or upside down. i.e. It didn't matter where the idler screw was it had no affect. I'd recheck that all the linkage is installed properly. Cheers & Good Luck, Gary Fuqua **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 10 09:46:13 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:46:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <259504.52213.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dick: Who rebuilt the carburetors? You say the shafts and bushings have been replaced and there is no leakage around the shafts, but, do the throttle plates (butterfly's) close completely? When new shafts are installed they need to be drilled for the cross pin which holds the throttle stop arm. If that is drilled in the wrong location the throttle stop will come to rest on the idle screw perch, but the throttle plate can still be open. Also, the plates can be in the shafts backwards, with the chamfer facing the wrong way, which will cause the throttle plate to not close completely. Check it out and let us know. Good luck - Ed Barnard- --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Gasket Works wrote: From: Gasket Works Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! To: RLEslEagle at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:55 AM Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 10 09:49:26 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:49:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Help please! Message-ID: <523903.318.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow! The CVAR contingent is all thinking the same! Is it something in the water or air? -Ed- From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 09:49:29 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:49:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fast idle Message-ID: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> Given you are certain about the possible gasket and manifold leaks the only place remaining is the carburetor throttle plates. The engine must get air from somewhere to give the fast idle. They only have to be off a fraction to allow enough air to pass to give the fast idle as there is no load on the engine. You just might be able to see by just removing the bells and slides of each carb to check the plate position.That opening is pretty difficult to see from the outside of the carb but remove the carb and shine a light at the front and looking at the plate from the rear you will if there is a gap. To reseat the plates, slack off the screws, tap the plates lightly and check to see that the gap has been closed, hold tightly closed with your finger as you tighten the plates. I would remove each screw individually then and apply a little Loctite unless the screws are the split end type, replace each screw in turn, recheck the position with the light. The error can happen easily on a re-build of the carbs. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 09:59:10 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:59:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <01c101c98ba0$e5403b70$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You didn't mention that you checked to see if the throttle discs > themselves > are closing all the way. They can be tightened in place and not allow > closure > leaving a large air opening. Just to echo what I think Robert is saying : the throttle plates need to be centered to the bore any time they are disturbed. If you look through the body at a light, you may see a little light at the sides of the throttle plate (next to the shaft), but both bottom and top should block light totally. If there is a rim of light, they are not closing for some reason. I have also had problems where the linkage pivots were worn oval, and would bind just as the carbs came to idle. Easy check for that is to disconnect the linkage at the front carb. Hopefully obviously, bad synchronization between the carbs can also cause high idle (one carb holding the other open); but usually it's not very smooth. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 10:01:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:01:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <5963637CC2C340DEBA43B4D1076772E7@Bud> it could be something as simple as how the linkage is bolted together..loosen the little center nuts and bolts on the shaft that runs between the carbs, one may be out of whack, keeping the throttle open racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! > Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? > > See below. > > md > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RLEslEagle at aol.com > To: gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: help, please! > > > Greetings. > I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger > at > The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, > after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky > Brit > street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a > smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked > the > following: > 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not > leak > air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new > gaskets, > no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do > not > leak. > 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static > timing > is at 4 degrees tdc. > 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and > connection at front carb okay. > 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. > 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with > the > "carb spray test." > 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. > > The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment > screws > entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment > cam is > not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that > my > installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result > more > in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? > > Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored > example > and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. > But, > there is this idle problem... > Thanks! > Dick Eslinger > Dayton, Ohio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL > Music > takes you there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Feb 10 10:47:33 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:47:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <28FC2C2CAF1F471684EEC8856FDEA507@rocky> Maybe back off the timing? --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! > Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? > > See below. > > md > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RLEslEagle at aol.com > To: gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: help, please! > > > Greetings. > I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger > at > The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, > after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky > Brit > street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a > smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked > the > following: > 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not > leak > air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new > gaskets, > no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do > not > leak. > 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static > timing > is at 4 degrees tdc. > 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and > connection at front carb okay. > 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. > 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with > the > "carb spray test." > 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. > > The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment > screws > entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment > cam is > not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that > my > installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result > more > in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? > > Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored > example > and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. > But, > there is this idle problem... > Thanks! > Dick Eslinger > Dayton, Ohio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL > Music > takes you there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Feb 10 10:52:04 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Cars Message-ID: <20090210175330.277E8187869@autox.team.net> In the current issue of Hemmings "Sports & Exotics Car" Magazine with a TR6 on the cover touting an article inside entitled "Improving the Breed. Updating a TR6. 5-Speed Overdrive, Electronic Fuel Injection, Limited Slip and Modern Electrics" is a pretty nice article about the Runnoffs being held at Road Atlanta in 1970. Pictures of Group 44 cars. GT6+, TR6 and Spitfire From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 10 10:57:31 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 9:57:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 11:07:23 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:07:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to use a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four forward gears without overdrive. Thoughts? Chuck On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet > Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the > library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow > FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to > make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. > Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, > like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe > this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the > rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's > 50% of the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 > transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the > frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a > chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for > several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the > car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable > racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the > group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and > finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the > end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 11:12:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:12:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. But that's an expensive proposition and the reliability suffers when you get above 130 HP. The standard gearboxes are marginally reliable in street cars. The overdrives are a bad joke, but they clearly give racers a lot of ratios to play with. Hard to see any regulatory reason for saddling us with these fragile, expensive and increasingly rare trannys. I have a big stock of them and might never switch over, but I think the sport benefits from reliability. On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my > sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of > the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. > Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have > apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg > Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any > car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped > Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, > apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm > on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of > the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a > custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. > modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there > may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have > sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, > conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can > find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race > group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around > and acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to > reliable racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of > the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I > start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's > an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > \ From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 11:16:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:16:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fast idle In-Reply-To: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> References: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> Message-ID: <1D5D991B-0191-40AA-A1DF-1C1A12B744B1@bnj.com> It's also pretty easy to screw up the timing, or to have a sticking advance unit. I had an adjustable timing light get out of calibration, and your timing mark could be off. I'd also spray the gasket surfaces with water and look for a stumble as the water gets drawn in. So easy to get a vacuum leak. On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Given you are certain about the possible gasket and manifold leaks > the only > place remaining is the carburetor throttle plates. The engine must > get air > from somewhere to give the fast idle. They only have to be off a > fraction to > allow enough air to pass to give the fast idle as there is no load > on the > engine. > > You just might be able to see by just removing the bells and slides > of each > carb to check the plate position.That opening is pretty difficult to > see from > the outside of the carb but remove the carb and shine a light at the > front and > looking at the plate from the rear you will if there is a gap. > > To reseat the plates, slack off the screws, tap the plates lightly > and check > to see that the gap has been closed, hold tightly closed with your > finger as > you tighten the plates. I would remove each screw individually then > and apply > a little Loctite unless the screws are the split end type, replace > each screw > in turn, recheck the position with the light. > > The error can happen easily on a re-build of the carbs. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Feb 10 11:03:13 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:03:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> I think SVRA has allowed it for a couple of years. I ran all last year with a T5 in my TR3 and it is great. Also doesn't leak like the old TR box with CR grears. When I ran the OD box leaking was also a problem. The TR boxes had just been apart too many times. Dean T. Feb 10, 2009 12:57:41 PM, igofaster at charter.net wrote: Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Tue Feb 10 11:27:25 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:27:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:27:37 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:32:00 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB59C4FF5499D4-10F0-8C@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> That "B" is a typo! -----Original Message----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 11:43:32 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:43:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Speaking as the Race Director of one of those "national captioning vintage race groups", whatever that means, you need to understand and appreciate that every organization sets its own policies on car elegibility and preparation. There is no equivalent of SCCA in vintage racing. There is an umbrella organization, the Vintage Motorsports Coucil, but it is not a rules preparing body. It is a forum for conversation among the member organizations. All of those you listed are members of VMC. Certainly the issues of car mods and preparation rules have been discussed frequently but long ago all agreed that they weren't likely to give up their freedom to establish their own rules. Heck, most all even have their own terminology for class/group designations and years of elegibility in each of them. So, the result is differences all over the country, in most all classes for a variety of reasons. Some very simply make financial decisions to get more entrants by allowing more non-period mods. Others try to hold the line to only that which was available back in the time of the car's first use in club racing. And everything in between. And then come magazines that seek to have a nationwide audience. There is certainly no claim that anything shown in articles or advertisements is assured to be acceptable by any one driver's local organization. One needs to find out what the sanctioning body(or bodies) they are going to race with will accept. Interestingly enough, my TR3 still has a Triumph gearbox and it holds up for 4-5 years before a truly major rebuild. I can give you the name of my engine/gearbox builder. Also interestingly enough, my other race car is a Formula Vee and CVAR has some rules that are more liberal than many other organization. Mike Jackson Race Director - VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >Sent: Feb 10, 2009 12:57 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > >Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. >CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... >I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... >Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. >Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. >thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. >I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. > >Bobby Whitehead >#53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:56:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:56:08 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: Mike, your comments are well thought out and put. Then it can be said without contradiction that we all race TRIUMPHs, more or less. Some more so, some less so. Bill (Damdinger) ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 12:21:00 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:21:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: CVAR has an "OEM" requirement, meaning a Triumph tranny. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:07 PM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to use a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four forward gears without overdrive. Thoughts? Chuck On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet > Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the > library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow > FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to > make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. > Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, > like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe > this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the > rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's > 50% of the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 > transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the > frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a > chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for > several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the > car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable > racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the > group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and > finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the > end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:33:07 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:33:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c98bb6$698f2f70$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The [] transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be > functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That > means 4 > speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, Since the original 4-speed plus OD gives 7 distinct ratios, that same logic would seem to indicate that a 7-speed manual would also be acceptable. Or 8, if your lockout switch happens to be misadjusted Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:42:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have fun with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call it a Triumph. If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:55:48 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:55:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] front oil seal In-Reply-To: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <01f601c98bb9$9215c280$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Needless to say, I am hurting for a front oil seal in a > big hurry. Has anyone found a cross reference to a NAPA or other > national chain. Not sure which motor you are working on, Greg, but not too many years ago I walked into a Kragen (same chain as Checker and Shucks) and asked for a front seal for a TR4. They had two of them in stock. Randall From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 12:55:53 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Chuck, but that is not true. That was why I spent so much time and money on the special gear set that made it the top four ratios of a five. speed. Who really needs a.88 first gear for the street? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to > use > a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four > forward > gears without overdrive. > > Thoughts? > > Chuck > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet >> Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. >> CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the >> library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow >> FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed >> to >> make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. >> Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, >> like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". >> Maybe >> this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by >> the >> rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's >> 50% of the last 6 events... >> I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom >> GT6 >> transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the >> frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... >> Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be >> a >> chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for >> several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to >> the >> car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. >> thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable >> racing. >> I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the >> group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last >> and >> finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at >> the >> end of the season. >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 12:56:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:56:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real controlling group.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have > fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 13:02:27 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:02:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> Message-ID: Absolutly true and in our own ranks no doubt. I found it difficult to buy 87MM forged pistons but the supplier had plenty of 89 MM sets due to the demand from racers.. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: Randall; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real controlling group.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have > fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 13:08:56 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:08:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05><01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> Message-ID: <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Randall" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very > disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of > course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that > there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than > there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real > controlling group.. > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > >>> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >>> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >>> acknowledge the swap. >> >> I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't >> that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have >> fun >> with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and >> call >> it a Triumph. >> >> If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 13:11:14 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB59D2DC393BF9-10F0-7D7@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> I meant numerically HIGHER....like 1:10 to 1. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1) -----Original Message----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 13:13:33 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05><01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com><28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CB59D32E91CCDF-10F0-815@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Stating gear ratios is my weak point too, Kas! That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88.B -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: RACER BUD ; Randall ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88.B B ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" B To: "Randall" ; B Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 AMB Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!B B > This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very > disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of > course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that > there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than > there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real > controlling group..B > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" B > To: B > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AMB > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!B >B >B >>> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race groupB >>> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around andB > >> acknowledge the swap.B >>B >> I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn'tB >> that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have >> funB >> with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and >> callB >> it a Triumph.B >>B >> If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc...B >>B >> RandallB >> _______________________________________________B >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB >>B >> http://www.fot-racing.comB >>B >> Fot mailing listB >> Fot at autox.team.netB >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB > _______________________________________________B > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB >B > http://www.fot-racing.comB >B > Fot mailing listB > Fot at autox.team.netB > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB _______________________________________________B Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB B http://www.fot-racing.comB B Fot mailing listB Fot at autox.team.netB http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB B From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 13:35:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:35:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <505A5AB4-B65D-42B9-ADF7-248CEE94D44B@bnj.com> This falls between the "good point except" and the "slippery slope" categories. No one requires full OEM vintage. If they did there would be very few running production-based cars. The megabuck cars must be pure in order to retain their value, but all the rest have parts relentlessly replaced with what's available and what fits the budget. If these cars are going to participate (and they are the backbone of vintage racing) then it's going to be a continual regulatory management process that enables that, not a hard and fast rule. The organizations are trying to hold the brakes on as much as feasible without winding up with races that have 20 entries. You can argue that a transmission change provides performance opportunities, and it does, but nothing out of scope of what can be accomplished inside an OEM box and overdrive with a lot of very expensive parts (most of which never saw the inside of a Triumph factory). The big difference is price and reliability. I don't mind paying that price to some degree, but I also don't mind racing with people that did it in a less expensive but not OEM-like manner. On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Randall wrote: >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race >> group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but > isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to > have fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota > and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Feb 10 14:17:40 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:17:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <4991EEF4.4020100@pobox.com> Don't some of the GT6 vintage racers use a TR456 gearbox? How difficult is that to do? Seems like that would be the best solution to Bobby's problem. Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably >> reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. >> > > The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, > even with TR7 internals, is night and day... > > chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 15:51:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:51:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC race car pics In-Reply-To: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2C8FAFE3-EEC4-4131-9681-89A09895B2E1@bnj.com> We have some nice race car pics up but no street cars yet. http://www.crclassic.com/?page_id=7 I pretty much have the go-ahead for the autocross, now I just need to arrange it. We'll probably have it on Monday and it will be right in the paddock. the All British Field Meet clears out on Sunday night, leaving a perfect area clear. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 10 16:38:44 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> Yeah, I'm for that. Then I could run my 240 hp Honda powered Spit! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have fun with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call it a Triumph. If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 16:57:47 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <00BDF099-A87B-4450-8491-A5D15EED7FEC@earthlink.net> Right!! And for the OEM clubs, I'm thinking about a TR8 engine in the back seat on my Herald convert - really got to do something with/to that thing. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Yeah, I'm for that. Then I could run my 240 hp Honda powered > Spit! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race >> group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but > isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to > have fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota > and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 18:33:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:33:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> References: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> Message-ID: <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. Maybe even a radio. You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" > Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- > vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) > E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net > URL : > Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? > queryinput=216.175.115.151 > Comment: > Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow > cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA > which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll > be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! > > Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? > > You can see all comments on this post here: > http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 18:38:10 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:38:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> References: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> Message-ID: Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > Maybe even a radio. > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> URL : >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 >> Comment: >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >> >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >> >> You can see all comments on this post here: >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 10 21:51:59 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:51:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed gearbox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090210235159.25ALY.465909.root@mp19> seems if a national "captioning" vintage race group allows > the 5 speed conversion..., darn spell check... dang , I may not contribute on a daily basis, but I sure can stir the mud, huh??? Thanks Bob "Fireball" Kramer.... yeah I know.... OEM by CVAR rules... I've beat this horse to death... I guess the T50 will go on a street GT6 once I get Barbra's TR6 back on the road... GREAT NEWS.... Gary Fuqua secured tickets for the VIP dinner @ the Mitty for me and him... Gary doesn't drink so I guess I'll have to drink for two!! Did successfully get the J type buttoned up tonight although I'm downright sick as a dog... Barbra came out and turned a few wrenches with me... whatta gal! Thank ya'll for the diatribe... really honored to be in the FoT! Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Yellow GT6+ From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Feb 10 23:07:36 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: >Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I can't. I remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome in car video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road America. I was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed a few "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the meeting about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules enforcement up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them and given to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as long as you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing or maybe disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was driving around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the money to get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old transmission. So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. Cheers, Henry Morrison From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 23:18:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:18:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> You crack me up Henry. I find myself agreeing with both sides in this debate, which usually either means I'm a Namby-Pamby indecisive sissy, or there are two plausible arguments. Personally I'm going to to stick with TR boxes, but it's mostly because I already spent all that money. On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, wrote: >> Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I >> can't. I > remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome > in car > video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road > America. I > was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed > a few > "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the > meeting > about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run > group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules > enforcement > up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them > and given > to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as > long as > you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing > or maybe > disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was > driving > around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the > money to > get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old > transmission. > So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > _______________________________________________ From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 23:24:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:24:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> The plot thickens!...It's the Law here in Sonoma. Ca....Mandatory wine consumption at 5pm..it's all about helping the economy. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > You crack me up Henry. I find myself agreeing with both sides in this > debate, which usually either means I'm a Namby-Pamby indecisive sissy, or > there are two plausible arguments. > > Personally I'm going to to stick with TR boxes, but it's mostly because I > already spent all that money. > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, wrote: > >>> Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I can't. >>> I >> remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome in >> car >> video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road >> America. I >> was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed a >> few >> "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the >> meeting >> about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run >> group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules >> enforcement >> up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them and >> given >> to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as long >> as >> you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing or >> maybe >> disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was >> driving >> around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the >> money to >> get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old >> transmission. >> So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Wed Feb 11 04:51:08 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:51:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> Message-ID: <4362ae390902110351t7756bdf7ta7ea8239ade4d079@mail.gmail.com> POV from the non-racer/wannabe racer. I put a Ford T9 5 speed into the GT6 in 2006. http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/index.html I love it, no regrets. Did it take away from the GT6? No. Did it add valve. Depends on your stance on modifications. I did my swap based on knowing I wanted an OD/5th gear and after reading several sites, the 5 Speed option was not much more then a whole new 4spd and OD. Plus in 10 yrs I'll be able to service it easier. Finding an OD kit might be tough. Back to the vintage racing. I wonder if this will lead down a slippery slope. IE, if you have a good car which your pretty competitive with. You maybe be forced to keep up with the "Jones." Yes I know some people don't mind putting the money down and rightfully so that 5 speed boxes are much more capable of dealing with the power and conditions of a racer... Good bang for the buck it you will... BUT... The divide between the vintage racer and "super" vintage racer grows further and further... And you know what comes next eh... Ok, new more robust gear box. MORE POWER. Hmm why do I keep having drive line failures. Subrau diff? That's my early morning take. I will have too see what the VARAC guys come back with. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 08:43:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > Maybe even a radio. > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> URL : >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 >> Comment: >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >> >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >> >> You can see all comments on this post here: >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Feb 11 08:50:30 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:50:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> Message-ID: Once again I will mount the soap box. No you can't see both sides of the argument. It is merely a choice made by racers between what is right, and what is convenient (and what will propel them to the front of the grid the quickest). To vintage race, I believe you must agree with the idea that "racing was better in the old days". This is how the first people started vintage racing as a way to bring old, outclassed cars back on to the track. They looked at the SCCA, said Yuk, and started their own deal. I know people who have come to the track one weekend, bought a car and entered the next, have not gone through this thought process and yet wonder why they can't enter in their Miata. These folks need good strong rules and encouragement from their peers to realize that it is far better to spend endless time speculating on electrical theory to finally experience the joy and sense of acomplishment of their electric overdrive actually engaging. While sticking a five speed in your Spitfire may not seriously affect your car's value, I offer this challenge, go to Scottsdale next year and buy one of those restored Austin Healeys, stick a 289 in it, and then see if you can get Caroll Shelby to sign it enough times to ever get your $90 grand back. What I mean by this is I go to a lot of work to bring a reasonably period correct and interesting car to the track and drive it. I expect everyone else to do the same. The idea that Vintage event organizers should welcome whatever car shows up in whatever kind of condition, is just racing socialism..........................Henry Morrison (big ring of pipe smoke exits mouth) From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Feb 11 08:53:56 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:53:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: MORE rules? Do I have to PROVE I'm from this planet? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like >> this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules >> of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are >> allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue >> other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. >> >> Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo >> that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the >> street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license >> plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. >> Maybe even a radio. >> >> You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: >> >>> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >>> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >>> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >>> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >>> URL : >>> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? >>> queryinput=216.175.115.151 >>> Comment: >>> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >>> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >>> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >>> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >>> >>> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >>> >>> You can see all comments on this post here: >>> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 08:56:37 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:56:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <16D8FB87-A27A-4C29-9FD6-7B427BCEF536@bnj.com> Well, some people may have to quickly convert their street triumphs to race cars. I'd guess there might currently be 200 racing Triumphs. On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 09:06:35 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:06:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> Message-ID: <1CEE5287-B03E-422B-AE03-AC290A1A192E@bnj.com> Henry, have you been watching old reruns of Boston Legal? You're sounding suspiciously like the James Spader character. Of course that would have to be cigar smoke, not pipe, and scotch not wine. On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:50 AM, wrote: > Once again I will mount the soap box. No you can't see both sides > of the > argument. It is merely a choice made by racers between what is > right, and > what is convenient (and what will propel them to the front of the > grid the > quickest). > > To vintage race, I believe you must agree with the idea that "racing > was > better in the old days". This is how the first people started > vintage racing > as a way to bring old, outclassed cars back on to the track. They > looked at > the SCCA, said Yuk, and started their own deal. > > I know people who have come to the track one weekend, bought a car > and entered > the next, have not gone through this thought process and yet wonder > why they > can't enter in their Miata. These folks need good strong rules and > encouragement from their peers to realize that it is far better to > spend > endless time speculating on electrical theory to finally experience > the joy > and sense of acomplishment of their electric overdrive actually > engaging. > > While sticking a five speed in your Spitfire may not seriously > affect your > car's value, I offer this challenge, go to Scottsdale next year and > buy one of > those restored Austin Healeys, stick a 289 in it, and then see if > you can get > Caroll Shelby to sign it enough times to ever get your $90 grand back. > > What I mean by this is I go to a lot of work to bring a reasonably > period > correct and interesting car to the track and drive it. I expect > everyone else > to do the same. The idea that Vintage event organizers should welcome > whatever car shows up in whatever kind of condition, is just racing > socialism..........................Henry Morrison (big ring of pipe > smoke > exits mouth) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 10:31:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:31:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902110931n47e1e4dfvc0b7c12ec52762ba@mail.gmail.com> Between England, Europe, US and Australia I would guess it is around 300-400. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > > Maybe even a radio. > > > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > > > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" > >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- > >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) > >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >> URL : > >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 > >> Comment: > >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow > >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA > >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll > >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! > >> > >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? > >> > >> You can see all comments on this post here: > >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From britbits at netzero.com Wed Feb 11 10:53:36 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kantarjiev Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9H5xz99YcZbxLhpV9ZjHhtLOLBgnmMhi47pWsSKkBAvXZrk/ From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 11:28:27 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:28:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems (was SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!) In-Reply-To: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Message-ID: >From my experience running a GT6 box in a Spitfire, the two biggest problems are the looooong throw from 2nd to 3rd and the slow synchro's, but those are problems relating to lap times. The only mechanical problems I've had with the box are related to the 3rd gear retaining clip (always install a new one) and tearing up synchros. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kantarjiev Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9H5xz99YcZbxLhpV9ZjHhtL OLBgnmMhi47pWsSKkBAvXZrk/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 11:51:19 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:51:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] interesting video oon Failure from Honda Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> Came across this today -- encouraging given all the failures my attempts to race have presented: http://dreams.honda.com/#/video_fa -- Chuck Arnold From KENMUN at aol.com Wed Feb 11 14:02:44 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:02:44 EST Subject: [Fot] tr6 o.d./gearbox assembly Message-ID: i'm having problems getting the "a" type o.d. unit back on the gearbox.the unit slides on fairly free until the last 1/2" where it gets stuck. the gearbox is standing on its nose for assembly. the female splines inside the od are lined up and the cam is not yet near the pump roller. i took the od off to do gearbox work and everything in side is the same as when it was removed. any suggestions? thanks, ken m. tr3 racer **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Wed Feb 11 16:10:32 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems expanded In-Reply-To: References: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Message-ID: <003901c98c9d$f1211100$a6503542@jrg> And... Are the single rail gearboxes any better than the three rail? Anyone on list running a single rail in their Spitfire/GT6? I remember at one point Kas has said the 3 synchro 3 rails had bushings on the laygear, which held up better than the needle bearings. If it's all covered in one of Kas's books then I guess I should put my money where my keyboard is ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norlin Engineering Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:28 PM To: britbits at netzero.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems (was SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!) >From my experience running a GT6 box in a Spitfire, the two biggest >problems are the looooong throw from 2nd to 3rd and the slow synchro's, but those are problems relating to lap times. The only mechanical problems I've had with the box are related to the 3rd gear retaining clip (always install a new one) and tearing up synchros. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save time, money, and hassles on your paving project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryA0l1g0aCIezVt7F6KhWewlHfHTa7AsWzLesHjPfmurYOp8O/ From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 11 18:41:23 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] interesting video oon Failure from Honda In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I drive a Honda street car for a reason, and it's not the great gas mileage. Terry Stetler From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 11 22:10:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tr6 o.d./gearbox assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090212051058.B2DE0187676@autox.team.net> I always have the problem. I suspect that the female splines inside the OD aren't totally lined up, that's what usually stops me 1/2" from being done. I have a junk mainshaft that I've ground bevels onto the splines to use to line them up. There are two sets of splines that go over the mainshaft, and it helps to pull the clutch mechanism inside the OD apart to free the two splines up, and then mash it back together before assembly. I forget if you have to pull up on the little cross bars over the pistons in the OD, or push them down to release the internal clutch slightly. - Tony Drews At 03:02 PM 2/11/2009, KENMUN at aol.com wrote: >i'm having problems getting the "a" type o.d. unit back on the gearbox.the >unit slides on fairly free until the last 1/2" where it gets stuck. >the gearbox > is standing on its nose for assembly. the female splines inside the od are >lined up and the cam is not yet near the pump roller. i took the od >off to do >gearbox work and everything in side is the same as when it was removed. >any suggestions? thanks, ken m. tr3 racer >**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >Awards. AOL Music takes you there. >(http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 11 22:27:09 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Message-ID: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes - Tony D From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 22:44:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:44:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: thanks Tony....It's terrific...not sexist at all....She is a good looking woman..and..a great race driver.....it would be sexist to Ignore that fact....It's a Triumph of sorts! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick > was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, > honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > - Tony D > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 23:48:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:48:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: That's terrible, awful, horrible... there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the paint!!! On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of > this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > - Tony D > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From andre at gt6.ca Thu Feb 12 04:21:52 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:21:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> #22 is my fav. Nothing against Danica, but that is a great shot. A. 2009/2/12 Bill Babcock > That's terrible, awful, horrible... > > there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the > paint!!! > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching > > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of > > this... > > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > > > - Tony D > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Feb 12 04:22:32 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:22:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902120322g32268f21h197f4a307f991b9d@mail.gmail.com> And is that an fresh oil spot on the ground? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/09_danica-patrick_22.html 2009/2/12 Andre Rousseau > #22 is my fav. > Nothing against Danica, but that is a great shot. > > A. > > 2009/2/12 Bill Babcock > > That's terrible, awful, horrible... >> >> there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the >> paint!!! >> >> On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica >> > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching >> > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of >> > this... >> > >> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes >> > >> > - Tony D >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 12 07:41:30 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:41:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes Too skinny. :-0 > - Tony D rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 12 08:20:01 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:20:01 EST Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Message-ID: In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > Too skinny. > Too skinny for what? Bill (Damdinger) ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 12 08:27:52 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:27:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, > lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > >> Too skinny. >> > > Too skinny for what? > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. AOL Music takes you there. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 12 08:50:15 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Photo 22 of 34: And who noticed that little dimple just below her right knee? I wonder if she has to hold herself centered in the cockpit by knee-bracing herself like we garden variety drivers do. RT -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:28 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, > lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > >> Too skinny. >> > > Too skinny for what? From deanesr at uncw.edu Thu Feb 12 08:52:46 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:52:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] {FOT} Not Triumph related Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945127F44A9C8@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Looks so good from where I sit I may have to start watching more Indy Racing. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 12 08:53:32 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:53:32 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That skinny little body has paid some dues that most of those ladies in beach attire would never comprehend. I bet there's more than just dimples. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:50 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Photo 22 of 34: > > And who noticed that little dimple just below her right knee? I > wonder if > she has to hold herself centered in the cockpit by knee-bracing > herself like > we garden variety drivers do. > > RT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:28 AM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... > > Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. > > On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, >> lang at isis.mit.edu writes: >> >> >>> Too skinny. >>> >> >> Too skinny for what? >> >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From cofrog at q.com Thu Feb 12 09:30:09 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:30:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: OMG Tony. More non-Triumph related posts! > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:27:09 -0600> To: fot at autox.team.net> From: tony at tonydrews.com> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for > this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this...> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=ye s> > - Tony D> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:21:46 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > That skinny little body has paid some dues that most of those ladies > in beach attire would never comprehend. I bet there's more than just > dimples. Absolutely! There's talent and smarts inside that gorgeous package... My, how times have changed... It was shocking for some just a few years ago to just see Janet Guthrie and Lynn St. James in Nomex... You go girl! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From alleycatrace at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:51:18 2009 From: alleycatrace at gmail.com (Daryll Clark) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oversized Water Pump Pulley for TR3 Message-ID: I am in need of an oversized water pump pulley for my TR3A race car. Anybody know where to get one? Daryll Clark From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Feb 12 11:08:42 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:08:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <000601c98d3c$f0d058b0$d2710a10$@com> Gee, Lunker, having spent some time with you and knowing what part of the country you're from and how close you are to "Area 51", I'm not sure you COULD prove you're from this planet! LOL Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: Craig Cc: 'Bill Babcock'; 'FOT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" MORE rules? Do I have to PROVE I'm from this planet? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like >> this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules >> of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are >> allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue >> other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. >> >> Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo >> that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the >> street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license >> plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. >> Maybe even a radio. >> >> You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: >> >>> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >>> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >>> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >>> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >>> URL : >>> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? >>> queryinput=216.175.115.151 >>> Comment: >>> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >>> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >>> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >>> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >>> >>> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >>> >>> You can see all comments on this post here: >>> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:12 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:02:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oversized Water Pump Pulley for TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902121002o472fcebpbe5ba1578f0abc3c@mail.gmail.com> See this ebay seller: http://stores.ebay.com/standard-performance On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Daryll Clark wrote: > I am in need of an oversized water pump pulley for my TR3A race car. > Anybody > know where to get one? > Daryll Clark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Feb 12 11:26:41 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:26:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000c01c98d3f$73e47d60$5bad7820$@com> Hey Tony, thanks for the great photos and video of the 427 Cobra!! That girl kept getting in the way though. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y es - Tony D Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Feb 13 07:02:52 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:02:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, Bob is talking about the tires on the Cobra. Danica is perfect. I love her Fire, Passion and Determination. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y es Too skinny. :-0 > - Tony D rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09 18:46:00 From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 09:32:25 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:32:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, honey. Thats my screensaver because I liked the car color. You shouldnt jumpt to conclusions like that. Jeeeze, I cant win... Marty> From: fasttrs at mindspring.com> To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tony at tonydrews.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:02:52 -0600> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > Guys, Bob is talking about the tires on the Cobra.> Danica is perfect. I love her Fire, Passion and Determination.> > Mike> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On> Behalf Of Robert Lang> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM> To: Tony Drews> Cc: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote:> > > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick> was > > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this...> >> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y> es> > Too skinny.> > :-0> > > - Tony D> > rml> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09> 18:46:00> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 From dave at microworks.net Fri Feb 13 09:36:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090213163703.7AC1218766F@autox.team.net> Anybody want a copy of SI signed by Danica? HeHe... A neighbor of mine owns a swimming pool service company and Danica is one of his clients. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Feb 13 11:58:38 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Just for Fun Message-ID: <2A4210B9F68F46C890FB94AC4DDA7B78@joepentiumnew> Take this Car Quiz http://www.cramersweeney.com/brandprix/ Joe C. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:46:43 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:46:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] help, please! Message-ID: <000601c98eaa$ac11ec10$6701a8c0@HP> Speaking of simple things, are the carb pistons free to seat. Did you make sure to release and center the jet on the needle before tightening the jet in place. If it binds and the piston does not seat, all you need is a rich mixture to get a fast idle... M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:56:44 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paint Codes Red Message-ID: <000801c98eac$12193210$6701a8c0@HP> Since I am rebuilding the engine, I thought I would repaint the engine compartment in advance of a repaint of the car in the next few years. I am absolutely dizzy with paint codes. I think I have found the PPG codes, but the correct red for each year back to 57 is quite sketchy. I painted the car in the early 80s but it turned out more orange red than the color the car was. What I have learned is that there is three potential colors Triumph Red (I think this is the orange-red color my car was painted) Signal Red Sunset Red Everyone I know is using printed color charts off the internet. Seems there are a lot of Signal Red '57s on the internet and left to my own devices I would probably choose that color. Any one else wrestle with this? Now I know what my wife went through picking her china pattern. I wish I could mine the gold they use in red these days to justify the cost of the paint!!! M From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Feb 14 07:22:26 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago area swap meet Message-ID: <4996D3A2.7000609@bright.net> Greetings list. Next Sunday, Feb. 22, is the Chicago British swap meet.We will be there with a booth, our usual spot in building #2. If anyone needs me to bring something to the meet, please let me know. Please have your order in by next Friday - packing and leaving on Saturday. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 14 18:59:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:59:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [SVC] the doctor's office Message-ID: <27289477AF97443D93986975BB18AAEC@Bud> this is on topic because he drove there in a Triumph Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: [SVC] the doctor's office ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: [SVC] the doctor's office So the old man goes in for his usual checkup...The receptionist is always rude to him and embarrasses him greatly...This time he is prepared for her..... When he approaches the receptionist she blurts out loudly "Well Mr. Jones, I suppose you're having trouble with your bowel movements again"! He replies...."Nope..I'm here for a sex change operation, but I don't want the same doctor that did yours!" Racer Bud --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sonoma Valley Cyclists" group. To post to this group, send email to sonoma-valley-cyclists at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sonoma-valley-cyclists+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sonoma-valley-cyclists?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Feb 14 22:43:30 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:43:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bugeye Race Car for Sale Message-ID: <4997AB82.1010909@greenheart.com> Spotted this on Craig's List.... Just passing it along. Seems like a lot for the money. --Justin The 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye/Frogeye" Sprite, is a rust free car from California, originally raced in the 1960s in HP class, with SCCA in California. Recent restoration racing history with VARA (California) in FP class. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1025325527.html From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 15 08:27:49 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness Message-ID: <000801c98f81$f6853d10$6701a8c0@HP> I am not sure why but I can't for the life of me find the uncut thickness of a TR3 head which I know is in my documentation somewhere because I looked it up last summer. Does anyone have this dimension at their finger tips? Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 15 08:36:50 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Seems like there ought to be a separate class for people with a stronger "Vintage" ethic but where do you draw the line? It always comes to shades of grey e.g. I-did-not-have-have-sex-with-THAT-woman. A true vintage specimine that blows up at 6500k and consumes all the vintage TR3 rods vs a Miata with a tr3 rear view mirror... ...from the peanut gallery... M From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 15 09:20:11 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness In-Reply-To: <000801c98f81$f6853d10$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <20090215162011.YCIK4162.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > I am not sure why but I can't for the life of me find the > uncut thickness of a > TR3 head which I know is in my documentation somewhere > because I looked it up last summer. Does anyone have this > dimension at their finger tips? I think it depends on whether it's an early or late TR3. I have 3.330" for the later "high port" head. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 10:28:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:28:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: You know, there really is. The fact that a guy with a NASCAR Triumph finishes in front and you finish in the back doesn't change the situation. Almost all races lump racer classifications together, and people who want to win (like me) want to win overall, not win their class. I need to beat those Loti, Listers and Chapparals, regardless of the class they're in. I'm not racing against guys with stock Triumphs, I'm racing against guys who have done all that I have done, or all that has been done to their cars over the years. We're just on the track at the same time. I'm not foolish enough to think that i beat you, or to think it matters that Peyote is a lot faster than a "true vintage Triumph. It's always a question of who YOU beat, whether you've been having a duel with a guy in 23rd place all season, and finally passed him, or you beat the guy in second, who usually beats you. If we didn't want to win we wouldn't race. The fun is the same, the rewards are the same. The only difference is which demons drive the driver. And finally there are a few vintage organizations with very strict rules. They usually don't have enough members to run independently, so they operate at existing races run under other organizations. You can always start your own, and give out your own trophies, have your own award ceremony. And still have access to all the races anyone else does. In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. On Feb 15, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seems like there ought to be a separate class for people with a > stronger > "Vintage" ethic but where do you draw the line? It always comes to > shades of > grey e.g. I-did-not-have-have-sex-with-THAT-woman. > > A true vintage specimine that blows up at 6500k and consumes all the > vintage > TR3 rods vs a Miata with a tr3 rear view mirror... > > ...from the peanut gallery... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Feb 15 11:31:51 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:31:51 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: In a message dated 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the > people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond > to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so > important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even > an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. > Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. > Amici... I follow and appreciate the points Babcock makes here. I can't speak for all 'people' and what they are doing, nor even just the VSCDA for that matter, but I can tell you that the VSCDA's 'era correct' program was started because a significant number of our members complained that we were ignoring our own long standing 'vintage' rules. As a matter of fact, an outgrowth of the 'era correct' program was actually a loosening of the rules via allowing Mod 1 and Mod 2 classifications in our production based Race Groups 2 and 8. Clearly those changes were liberal not conservative. But a problem always comes up whenever anyone decides to 'draw a line'. "We're going to draw the line HERE." When you do that...immediately someone asks, "Why did you draw it HERE? Why not draw it THERE?" As the long time Treasurer of the VSCDA (soon to step down, I might add), no one knows better than I the importance of filling out grids in order to make events financially successful. It is a must. But that doesn't have to be a problem. I have always felt that vintage racing is blessed because it does try to find a way to accommodate different levels of both preparation and even skill. And I would hasten to add that those folks dicing in the back of the pack are having just as much fun as those in the front. I often think about when I raced in the vintage sessions of the 12 Hours of Sebring a few years back. Because all the vintage cars run in one race group you can imagine there was a vast difference in performance through out the field. At one of the Driver's Meetings, Pendergast was chastising two Saab Sonnet racers for being two abreast on the track. He said, "No one wants to see two Saab Sonnets dicing at Sebring." I knew what he meant, and why he said it, but as a matter of fact, from a strict racing point of view those two Saabs may have been the closest dicing in the entire field. And while the front runners get most of the attention, such disparity is traditional in sports car road racing. The first overall winner at Sebring was a Crosley Hot Shot (a handicap'd race). Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 12:02:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:02:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: Message-ID: <28CF3CF5E58C401E9B64C210573D1B7C@Bud> It's not really all 'about the cars'...that's just what we're supposed to say.... It's a blend of the cars...the racing...the friendship....the ego.....lets face it...what % of our population does what we do?....it is really cool stuff ....we should be proud of ourselves for taking on the challenge....we are on the inside, so it's everyday life for us...there are many, many people out there who have the financial means and the time and skills available ..who would like to be a race driver...but just don't have that special something that gets them out on the track.....I'ts not for your average person! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > In a message dated 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the >> people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond >> to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so >> important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even >> an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. >> Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. >> > > Amici... > > I follow and appreciate the points Babcock makes here. I can't speak for > all > 'people' and what they are doing, nor even just the VSCDA for that matter, > but I can tell you that the VSCDA's 'era correct' program was started > because a > significant number of our members complained that we were ignoring our own > long standing 'vintage' rules. As a matter of fact, an outgrowth of the > 'era > correct' program was actually a loosening of the rules via allowing Mod 1 > and Mod > 2 classifications in our production based Race Groups 2 and 8. Clearly > those > changes were liberal not conservative. But a problem always comes up > whenever anyone decides to 'draw a line'. "We're going to draw the line > HERE." When > you do that...immediately someone asks, "Why did you draw it HERE? Why > not > draw it THERE?" > > As the long time Treasurer of the VSCDA (soon to step down, I might add), > no > one knows better than I the importance of filling out grids in order to > make > events financially successful. It is a must. But that doesn't have to be > a > problem. I have always felt that vintage racing is blessed because it > does try > to find a way to accommodate different levels of both preparation and even > skill. And I would hasten to add that those folks dicing in the back of > the pack > are having just as much fun as those in the front. I often think about > when > I raced in the vintage sessions of the 12 Hours of Sebring a few years > back. > Because all the vintage cars run in one race group you can imagine there > was a > vast difference in performance through out the field. At one of the > Driver's > Meetings, Pendergast was chastising two Saab Sonnet racers for being two > abreast on the track. He said, "No one wants to see two Saab Sonnets > dicing at > Sebring." I knew what he meant, and why he said it, but as a matter of > fact, > from a strict racing point of view those two Saabs may have been the > closest > dicing in the entire field. And while the front runners get most of the > attention, such disparity is traditional in sports car road racing. The > first overall > winner at Sebring was a Crosley Hot Shot (a handicap'd race). > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > ************** > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 12:34:53 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:34:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. I drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success is for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other guys; other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at about my speed. Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid for me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety stuff) just isn't part of my sport. I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man thing. Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has been very little control over who does what to their car. Richard From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 13:04:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:04:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out > there. I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are > seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest > success is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can > still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of > other guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run > at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? > No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no > limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out > of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a > grid for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the > manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause > driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than > safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an > old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past > there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 13:09:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. > I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success > is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other > guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid > for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 13:32:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:32:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: Too true. I've had people throw up in my car, I've had them cry, I've had to help them out and almost carry them to a bench, all while i was "taking it easy' and just showing them the track, and maybe dicing a little with someone "just for fun". Really. Throw up. In my old 355-- one reason why I got a 360. Of course when I sit in the passenger seat I do all three. A good reason not to give me a ride in your car. Here's a typical reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vY3QyVNto&feature=related On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race > Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get > the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than > the average spectator has a clue about!.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" > > To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Feb 15 13:35:49 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:35:49 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:34:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 15 14:07:00 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390902151307s22bf8434r7837c2bde4d17468@mail.gmail.com> AWESOME! One day... One day... A. 2009/2/15 > My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved > Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, > > His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 15 14:11:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:11:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep - there are some people who won't never do a run with me again. They are always surprised how fast these slow cars are when you sit in and have 4 wheels off the ground. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Februar 2009 21:36 An: budscars at comcast.net; tarch at bellsouth.net; Billb at bnj.com; markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:34:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye lp00000003) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 14:22:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <360B1EBFE56A4FEBAF5DE539EF17B7F9@Bud> there's nothin' like being a passenger in a race car going over a blind hill/curve..wooohoo! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Richard Taylor" ; "'Mark Eginton'" ; Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Too true. I've had people throw up in my car, I've had them cry, I've had > to help them out and almost carry them to a bench, all while i was > "taking it easy' and just showing them the track, and maybe dicing a > little with someone "just for fun". Really. Throw up. In my old 355-- > one reason why I got a 360. Of course when I sit in the passenger seat I > do all three. A good reason not to give me a ride in your car. > > Here's a typical reaction: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vY3QyVNto&feature=related > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race >> Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the >> picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the >> average spectator has a clue about!.. >> Racer Bud >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" > > >> To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" >> > > >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 15 14:23:59 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:23:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Message-ID: <4362ae390902151323m2ffc3a66u923035127f126ac1@mail.gmail.com> So what do you run? High octane pump fuel or race fuel? Huh huh huh. For that matter what does a race weekend run you? I'm desktop racing right now. Reading, making notes and figuring out what this dream will cost me. Dayton 500 is mind numbing :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 15 14:43:02 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:43:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP><13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <521D01B8E0844FA488F38D417802BE27@KasPC> Nothing beats being on the right side of the pit wall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Richard Taylor" ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race > Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the > picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average > spectator has a clue about!.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Taylor" > To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > >> As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car >> spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him >> >> My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. >> I >> drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a >> Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are >> seldom >> for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success >> is >> for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a >> mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can >> still >> race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other >> guys; >> other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at >> about my speed. >> >> Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I >> could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to >> the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of >> an >> old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid >> for >> me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner >> that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. >> >> All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause >> driver's >> concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning >> bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety >> stuff) just isn't part of my sport. >> >> I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was >> Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man >> thing. >> >> Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has >> been very little control over who does what to their car. >> >> Richard >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 15:12:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:12:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fuel References: <4362ae390902151323m2ffc3a66u923035127f126ac1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my racing Spitfire i use leaded race fuel, approximetely 110-112 octane.....I think it's CRC...i get it from a guy who brings it to the races in drums..it has noticeably more punch than the Sunoco race gas...and....I have been told that the Sunoco has an additive that eats up fuel bladders.... I have also been told that Low Lead aviation gas has more lead than leaded race gas? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel > So what do you run? > High octane pump fuel or race fuel? > > Huh huh huh. > > For that matter what does a race weekend run you? > > I'm desktop racing right now. > Reading, making notes and figuring out what this dream will cost me. > > Dayton 500 is mind numbing :) > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 15:14:14 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: I'm 73. But let me tell you about the difference between 62 and 73. It's not exactly the book-match reverse of your first 11 years, but in some respects it's not far off. Ask some of the other old goats. As for passing the Mantle of Wisdom, don't hold your breath. Last year I earned second place in the regional ARHMA series in Vintage Motocross. I ride my old Maico 400 that I bought new in '73. And, yes, that feeling waiting for the gate to drop hasn't change one iota. As with the Triumph, my MO is to ride with persistence and make few mistakes. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:04 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: 'Mark Eginton'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. I drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success is for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other guys; other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at about my speed. Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid for me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety stuff) just isn't part of my sport. I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man thing. Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has been very little control over who does what to their car. Richard Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 17:22:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:22:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tony Rodriquez Message-ID: <5BE6F41433B046D1B246A2C273C9AA3C@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Fw: Tony Rodriquez Hello Gang... Tony is a very active Triumph guy out here....His dad was Alva Rodriques, who I bought my 1st Triumph racecar from in 1970 looks like Tony and his family need some help/support. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Karyn Gibbon To: David B Hammond Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Tony From: "David Riker" Date: February 10, 2009 7:11:10 PM GMT-07:00 To: Subject: [Spridgets] FYI Northern California Listers I know several of you have ventured to Chico, CA over the years for their All British Car Meet, that has been held pretty much without fail for the last 20 years. For the most part, the survival of the British Car scene in Chico and that meet pretty well owe it's existence to Tony Rodriguez, the long time owner of Economy Foriegn Car Parts, in Chico. This past month, Tony, who is only about 50 years old, was diagnosed with stage four cancerous brain tumors. The prognosis is not good, and at this time, I'm told Tony is physically doing ok, but is forgetfull and easily confused. Being self-employed, Tony has very limited health care insurance. He has a wife, and two sons, 17 and 21. I've witnessed the outpouring of good will from this list for strangers before, and am hoping I can rally some help, however small for Tony. I know that without his influence and help over the years, I probably would not have found or hung on to my love of LBC's. Can someone who has done this before advise me on how to set up a fund on his behalf? I've heard much complaints about PayPal, so I'm unsure if that is the route to go. Also, if you need to order any british car parts, his lone employee, Mike, is trying to keep the store open, as that is the family source of income. They source parts from all the usual places and then some. The business phone is 530-342-1821. Mike can ship anywhere. I'm sorry this is so jumbled up, but my thoughts are spinning a mile a minute. Tony has been a good friend. I've lost friends and relatives before, but never known ahead of time that it is coming. I'm two states away now and may not get to see him again. David Riker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as wbmcleod at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billdentin at aol.com Sun Feb 15 17:49:18 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:49:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP><13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8CB5DE788BB2A18-FA0-20D8@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <<< Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. >>> Bill... Richard probably doesn't know Diane, and how she's worn you out. Bill (Damdinger) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 19:32:41 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:32:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: How cool is that, I love Maicos. I still have my Yamaha 360 MX that I bought new in 74 (I think) On Feb 15, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Im 73. > > But let me tell you about the difference between 62 and 73. Its not > exactly the book-match reverse of your first 11 years, but in some > respects its not far off. Ask some of the other old goats. > > As for passing the Mantle of Wisdom, dont hold your breath. Last > year I earned second place in the regional ARHMA series in Vintage > Motocross. I ride my old Maico 400 that I bought new in 73. And, > yes, that feeling waiting for the gate to drop hasnt change one > iota. As with the Triumph, my MO is to ride with persistence and > make few mistakes. > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > 112 Krog St. Suite 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > tel: (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:04 PM > To: Richard Taylor > Cc: 'Mark Eginton'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? > I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it > would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare > for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were > younger than me. > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > > > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out > there. I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are > seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest > success is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can > still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of > other guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run > at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? > No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no > limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out > of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a > grid for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the > manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause > driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than > safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an > old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past > there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun Feb 15 21:59:51 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:59:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple of problems in all this. I know that some folks see a slow car as a guy who may be enjoying a piece of automotive history. That aint everybody. 1. In New Mexico where I should be racing, lack of entries has driven organizers to allow flares and slicks to run in the "vintage races". Where do you draw the line? Anywhere? Should I now put slicks on? Screw the five speed 8" wide rims will do a lot better than that. 2. Vintage racing is about a passion for racing old cars that have been passed on by the march of technology. Yes there has to be financial viability but this doesn't mean selling out. I will pay more and travel farther to go to a quality event rather than hang around town to go to my lowest cost alternative. 3. Vintage racing periodicals celebrate those who violate the vintage spirit by describing the exploits of the guys who win the races. These reports are never interspersed with comments like "but he was cheating with flares and slicks". 4. I hear spectators and drivers of fast cars complaining about slower cars, making comments like "why's that guy even out there?" "or he shold have someone walking in front of him waving a red flag". Hmmmm what else? I'm sure I've heard more. It's not a situation wheree everybody's in love with each other. 5. The most enjoyable events I have been to are where the playing field is a little more level. the field doesn't get so spread out and ther is not as much lapping. Just another fvive cents worth, Henry Morrison From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 22:10:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:10:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: Message-ID: Hi Henry.... I think that a National governing group will work....Due to the economical mess right now...It's not currently feasable....but...It's a Perfect time to start building the infrastructure.....when grids are thin...no hurry....and lots of time to do it right.... It has now begun Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >A couple of problems in all this. I know that some folks see a slow car as >a > guy who may be enjoying a piece of automotive history. That aint > everybody. > > 1. In New Mexico where I should be racing, lack of entries has driven > organizers to allow flares and slicks to run in the "vintage races". > Where do > you draw the line? Anywhere? Should I now put slicks on? Screw the five > speed 8" wide rims will do a lot better than that. 2. Vintage racing is > about a passion for racing old cars that have been passed on by the march > of > technology. Yes there has to be financial viability but this doesn't mean > selling out. I will pay more and travel farther to go to a quality event > rather than hang around town to go to my lowest cost alternative. > > 3. Vintage racing periodicals celebrate those who violate the vintage > spirit > by describing the exploits of the guys who win the races. These reports > are > never interspersed with comments like "but he was cheating with flares and > slicks". > > 4. I hear spectators and drivers of fast cars complaining about slower > cars, > making comments like "why's that guy even out there?" "or he shold have > someone walking in front of him waving a red flag". Hmmmm what else? > I'm > sure I've heard more. It's not a situation wheree everybody's in love > with > each other. > > 5. The most enjoyable events I have been to are where the playing field > is a > little more level. the field doesn't get so spread out and ther is not as > much lapping. > > Just another fvive cents worth, Henry Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Feb 16 08:09:31 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Message-ID: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm From dave at microworks.net Mon Feb 16 08:52:23 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bunch of LBC being sold Message-ID: <20090216155443.D1F0C187650@autox.team.net> And old friend of mine is selling a bunch of his cars. Including this restored Triumph Vanguard that he has listed on eBay. His phone number is listed below. Please contact him and not me as I have no further info... >Click here: eBay Motors: Triumph (item 120378231389 end time >Feb-20-09 14:43:33 PST) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1956-Triumph-Standard-Vanguard-3-Sportsman_W0QQitemZ120378231389QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item120378231389&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 The rest of the cars... 1956 TRIUMPH VANGUARD SPORTSMAN 4 DOOR SALOON. TR-3 ENGINE, 3 SPEED ON THE TREE WITH OVERDRIVE IN SECOND AND THIRD, BEAUTIFUL RED AND SILVER PAINT, LEATHER INTERIOR, TOTALLY RARE, UNIQUE, AND COOL! THIS WAS THE NEW YORK SHOW CAR IN 1956! TONS OF PAPERS, DOCUMENTS. AND SOME SPARES. $8500 FIRM. PHILIP, 602 376 1868 1978 TRIUMPH SPITFIRE. NICE RED PAINT, 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION WITH DESIREABLE OVERDRIVE, NEW WHITE WALL TIRES, NICE INTERIOR, ADJUSTABLE REAR AIR SHOCKS, 120K MILES, NEW CLUTCH. 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PHILIP 602 376 1868 From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Feb 16 09:04:32 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor-Points Message-ID: <20090216160452.B87E518765B@autox.team.net> I know we touched on this subject before but I neglected to write it down. I am installing a Mallory mechanical dual point distributor in my TR6 racecar project. I know the stock TR6 distributor points are set at .015 but aren't the Mallory dual points set differently? If anyone could please review this with me I'd appreciate it. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 38894 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Feb 16 09:25:59 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <242158.68735.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, but it wasn't kinetic energy...it was an additional burst of fuel which you were carrying anyway. They said it gives an additional 85 h.p. I'm curious if it's occasional use is worth the additional weight and complexity.With less down-force it may be limited to short bursts down straights. -Ed- --- On Mon, 2/16/09, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: AW: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, "'FOT'" Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:16 AM This "push to pass" will be an interesting thing for F1. Remembers me to Champ cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:10 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 09:24:53 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Going green? I'd like to see the FIA measure fuel consumption in each F1 car and at the end of the race add/subtract time based on fuel economy and thus shuffle the finishing results! Added drama for the crowd to hang around at the end! I used to work F1 at the Glen, Detroit and Dallas GPs and attended every one in Montreal (and 2 at Silverstone) till I stopped with 2007. Enough is enough. I'm going to the Mitty at Road Atlanta (where I worked the final 19 SCCA runoffs there, '75-'94) in May! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 16 09:16:11 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This "push to pass" will be an interesting thing for F1. Remembers me to Champ cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:10 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 11:54:43 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:54:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Message-ID: As usual, "Green F1" is a demonstration, not a reality. Analogous to people driving their Prius to the airport. The infield at F1 is where the fuel gets used. Here in Maui I do standup paddle surfing, and I've started racing my board in distance events. The Maui to Molokai race is coming up. What could be more green than a bunch of people on surfboards and outrigger canoes paddling across the channel. Well perhaps the fact that each paddler needs a chase boat casts little pall on that. It would be far more "green" to load everyone into the superferry and blast across the channel. On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Going green? > I'd like to see the FIA measure fuel consumption in each F1 car and > at the > end of the race add/subtract time based on fuel economy and thus > shuffle the > finishing results! From REK46 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 11:56:59 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:56:59 EST Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Message-ID: watch out for green sharks ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=6 68072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=febemailfooterNO62) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 12:09:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:09:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Message-ID: <6739C3FF-6D54-49D5-B9D1-9EC2A74BA31F@bnj.com> Incidentally, I think next season in F1 is going to be spectacular. The looming financial issues or reduced sponsorship dollars is probably the biggest concern. It could break F1's back. On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > As usual, "Green F1" is a demonstration, not a reality. Analogous to > people driving their Prius to the airport. The infield at F1 is > where the fuel gets used. > > Here in Maui I do standup paddle surfing, and I've started racing my > board in distance events. The Maui to Molokai race is coming up. > What could be more green than a bunch of people on surfboards and > outrigger canoes paddling across the channel. Well perhaps the fact > that each paddler needs a chase boat casts little pall on that. It > would be far more "green" to load everyone into the superferry and > blast across the channel. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Feb 16 19:04:21 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Feb 16 19:06:32 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. Mike Cook> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] What car is this?> > Hi all!> > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg> > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name.> > Thanks for any help!> > Susan :)> > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." **> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 19:08:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:08:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:10:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:10:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> Gogomobile? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:15:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:15:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <1D046E6E711F4B20817323436CB28BB9@Bud> It looks kind of ...BORGWARDISH... Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:17:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:17:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <07695F29E706410FAFEFF81B8BA76BE9@Bud> Just one polite bit of advice Susan...If that car looks familiar you'd better start being careful of who you hang out with! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billdentin at aol.com Mon Feb 16 19:15:53 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <8CB5EBCCB8A75B9-EFC-25D5@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> <<< Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. >>> Gosh! I've always been Pro-Life until I saw that. Bill (Damdinger) From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Feb 16 19:19:30 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:19:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> Message-ID: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Brutsch Mopetta, circa 1958. Do I win a prize? Cheers, Kurt O. (Who is 6'-4", 260lbs and used to drive a '64 Mini) RACER BUD wrote: > Gogomobile? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11770 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:20:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <669AF91D3364466C89D6A19D8CBD4AD3@Bud> now you've done it Susan..I have made it my desktop background....just when i thought I might become normal! Thanks for saving me! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is > smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 19:22:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:22:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Message-ID: wow, I looked in the Microcar Museum site but didn't find it for some reason. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Brutsch Mopetta Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:24:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:24:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <8CB5EBCCB8A75B9-EFC-25D5@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <655A8408CA384DDF8C79E518312674AC@Bud> we need more of this stuff...I'm gonna send it to my bicycling group..maybe they will get a sense of humor from it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > <<< Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. >>> > > Gosh! I've always been Pro-Life until I saw that. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 19:27:50 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:27:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: Brutsch Mopetta I think there were only 14 made. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:04 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 02/15/09 18:09:00 From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon Feb 16 19:37:25 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <499A22E5.1070903@bright.net> This may be what happens when 5 speeds are not allowed. Ted Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:41:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <499A22E5.1070903@bright.net> Message-ID: <57E5CFAEBA9646D59CBD7D99623DD2F1@Bud> I think i was behind one of those on the pace lap at a recent race..It looks slow....but...look carefully and you'll see the slot where the Wings come out! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > This may be what happens when 5 speeds are not allowed. Ted > > > > Susan Kahler wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: >> 02/16/09 18:31:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 19:42:49 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here it is http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html Bruce also has a TR6 that has 30 miles on it. I was there a couple of years ago when he took delivery on a McLaren F1. If any of you go to The Mitty this year you may want to plan an extra day trip down to his museum. It is a few miles south of Madison Georgia. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:23 PM To: Kurt Oblinger Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? wow, I looked in the Microcar Museum site but didn't find it for some reason. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Brutsch Mopetta Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 02/15/09 18:09:00 From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Feb 16 19:47:49 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:47:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <499A2555.1050009@greenheart.com> http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/dec/02/images/dale-cartoon.jpg --Justin From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Feb 16 19:59:28 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Message-ID: <499A2810.9090108@141.com> Oh, wow, Kurt! GREAT job! Mopetta was familiar but I never would have remembered the Brutsch part. Thank you! Um, you win one free year's membership to the FOT! Thanks, Susan :) Kurt Oblinger wrote: Brutsch Mopetta, circa 1958. Do I win a prize? Cheers, Kurt O. (Who is 6'-4", 260lbs and used to drive a '64 Mini) RACER BUD wrote: Gogomobile? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 2/15/2009 6:0 9 PM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 20:09:28 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:09:28 EST Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. ==AM== In most countries, I believe the name translates to "Serious Lapse in Judgment"! Finally, though, insects on the highway have a fighting chance against a motor vehicle.... ;-) --Andy Mace (yeah, I know, look who's talkin' trash about slow minicars....) *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 20:15:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:15:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: Message-ID: Ok...this is too much fun...you are all responsible for my enchiladas burning!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > ==AM== > In most countries, I believe the name translates to "Serious Lapse in > Judgment"! Finally, though, insects on the highway have a fighting chance > against a > motor vehicle.... ;-) > > --Andy Mace (yeah, I know, look who's talkin' trash about slow > minicars....) > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose > how > to find them. Start with AOL Personals. > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Mon Feb 16 21:45:01 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <7AD9ED27A1FF4CBCB238B2A96D45EC61@KasPC> Is that being skip bombed? It looks like something left over from WW 2 and the "Dam Busters". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is > smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Feb 17 10:17:01 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 11:03:17 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <380-22009221718317219@M2W032.mail2web.com> That was the Peel P50. I want one of those, too. ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: dos_gusanos at msn.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] What car is this? I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From koblinger at verizon.net Tue Feb 17 11:03:55 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <1781628156.15989631234893835385.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> That was a Peel P50. One of my favorite segments from Top Gear. Watch for your self... http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear---Peel-P50_139353.htm Cheers, Kurt O. (I am the Stig's large American cousin) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: > I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of > these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com B > To: fot at autox.team.net > B Subject: > [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > B > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > B > http://www.fot-racing.com B > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net B > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > B > Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Feb 17 11:44:58 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:44:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <200902171145122.SM09700@[166.70.182.40]> In case ya'll haven't noticed, Susan likes cars.......:) -----Original Message----- From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" Sent 2/17/2009 11:03:17 AM To: dos_gusanos at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this?That was the Peel P50. I want one of those, too. ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: dos_gusanos at msn.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] What car is this? I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 17 11:52:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:52:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <686C5C6F-B74E-440E-B633-5E4F03A6A098@bnj.com> I do love microcars, especially the ones that look like a sidecar that has misplaced it's motorcycle. Unfortunately they are made for people whose growth was stunted by war year rationing. I stick out of them like a circus bear. On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:17 AM, wrote: > I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of > these > around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can > stand it > up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > >> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] What car is this? From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 14:54:33 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:54:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? Message-ID: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought bronze guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling out. Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but if this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze to risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 15:22:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:22:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? References: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: Hi jim..you might contact Carl Stirtz at Stirtz machine in Oakland...He has been doing this stuff for about 40 years..i think you've met Carl.(he's got the 2 formula juniors that i think you've seen at the track)...and he's very reasonable...he does my stuff..i just spoke to him, and he said that it makes for tighter clearance in a race engine...he put them in mine....they don't last any longer..he used to put them in street engines when bad gas 1st came out, but he doesn't anymore...he'd be glad to talk to you..Carl Stirtz..510 536 2772..oakland ca. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? >I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to > go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought > bronze > guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep > for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze > guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new > fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze > guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the > different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling > out. > Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. > Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but > if > this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze > to > risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Feb 17 16:37:43 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Message-ID: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 16:50:17 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:50:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: that's terrific news! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 18:35:06 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Bud says he'll test her, too. Susan :) RACER BUD wrote: that's terrific news! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 2/16/2009 6:3 1 PM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Feb 17 18:43:22 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft porn star she will be good at neither. Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? Not much. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 18:55:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Message-ID: thanks Susan..for the vote of confidence...another Triumph! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Bud says he'll test her, too. > Susan :) > RACER BUD wrote: > > that's terrific news! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: > 2/16/2009 6:3 > 1 PM > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 18:57:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:57:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Message-ID: <8D7CAB56404940879862BBDDDC52A333@Bud> Hey Gang...If Danica gets an F1 ride...will it be a Triumph? Racer Bud.. heading for... ..Vaudeville! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Bud says he'll test her, too. > Susan :) > RACER BUD wrote: > > that's terrific news! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: > 2/16/2009 6:3 > 1 PM > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 19:03:17 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New home track!?! Message-ID: <499B6C65.4050208@141.com> I was giving a presentation for work last night and was talking with a fellow car nut there. He asked if I had heard of the Bluegrass Motorsports Park and I had not. I looked it up: It's brand new (grand opening in the spring) and only 100 miles away! Here's their Web site: http://www.drivebluegrass.com/ They have two current road-race configurations, one a 2.5 miles course and one a 1.32 mile kart circuit. Their reservation page says all weekend are booked for 2009 but I can't find anything on what's on the schedule. I'll have to give them a call and see who's renting. Looks promising! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 20:09:03 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:09:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Danica Patrick....it is a Triumph..and More Message-ID: <321EDE4FB14F4F9CB6CA557CCD553A53@Bud> Hi Triumph Gang..et al.... When I received the email/news flash about Danica and the F1 possibility...the 1st thing I thought about were my Daughters, Daughters in Law, Grand Daughters, my Girl Friend...my Friends Daughters.&..my.. 87 year old Mom who is full of life and bubbling with the opportunity to learn more about it..My Mom said to me ,.... when I was young....."Buddy....If racing is what you want to do..you should do it"... Thank You Danica....thank you Kids......thank you Mom.....Thank you all very Much!. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 GO DANICA GO! From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 17 20:33:42 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:33:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Feb 17 20:47:18 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:47:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: Yeah....and then you woke up!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and > say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car > driver". I say "talent and humility". > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft >> porn star >> she will be good at neither. >> >> Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? >> >> Not much. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 21:20:07 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:20:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000001c99180$2ebb7b90$8c3272b0$@racer@comcast.net> Bill: I'm surprised your family members don't know you better!! Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:34 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 23:47:38 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:47:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c99194$ca74a840$b1191718@computer> Thanks for all of the comments. As always, they are extremely helpful. Bud, I gave Carl (Stritz Machine in Oakland, CA) a call. He couldn't have been more helpful. Apparently, going back to the early years of unleaded gas, automotive machine shops were having problems with bronze guides loosening up and sometimes dropping out. According to Carl, it is mostly due to the bronze alloy and the gasoline changing that has caused this problem not to have occurred for quite a while. Looks like the shop I am dealing with had a very bad time way back. I got my bronze guides from TRF and I believe that they are some of Richard's. They look good and as always, Richard did a nice job. I will be putting them in. Thanks again, Jim -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:23 PM To: jim hearn; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? Hi jim..you might contact Carl Stirtz at Stirtz machine in Oakland...He has been doing this stuff for about 40 years..i think you've met Carl.(he's got the 2 formula juniors that i think you've seen at the track)...and he's very reasonable...he does my stuff..i just spoke to him, and he said that it makes for tighter clearance in a race engine...he put them in mine....they don't last any longer..he used to put them in street engines when bad gas 1st came out, but he doesn't anymore...he'd be glad to talk to you..Carl Stirtz..510 536 2772..oakland ca. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? >I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to > go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought > bronze > guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep > for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze > guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new > fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze > guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the > different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling > out. > Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. > Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but > if > this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze > to > risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 18 05:25:22 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: Post of the week sir. hehe Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Terry Stetler Cc: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Feb 18 05:55:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:55:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? In-Reply-To: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: My opinion is that bronze valve guids are only useful in aluminum heads. No need to use them in a cast iron head. The risk to have stuck valve is quite high. I would use cast iron valve guides. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von jim hearn Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Februar 2009 22:55 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought bronze guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling out. Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but if this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze to risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Feb 18 07:52:20 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:52:20 EST Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Message-ID: In a message dated 02/17/2009 5:38:37 PM Central Standard Time, dave at microworks.net writes: > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > > They must've seen the SI pictures too. Pretty much everyone wants to test her. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 18 10:35:00 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:35:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The real question is, who in this country is going to put up THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR to field a team with any kind of chance at being competitive? Ferrari, McLaren, and Toyota all spend more than that. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a US team. But I don't want a US team competing for last place honors against Minardi (or whatever moniker they use now). Terry Stetler From pebert1 at wi.rr.com Wed Feb 18 14:59:54 2009 From: pebert1 at wi.rr.com (Paul Ebert) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:59:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1990 Caterham Super Seven In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Caterham with a new chassis that desires a new home. Contact me off line at www.pebert1 at gmail.com or Cell 704-904-1108 Car is in WI. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: help, please! (Mark Eginton) 2. Paint Codes Red (Mark Eginton) 3. Chicago area swap meet (Ted Schumacher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:46:43 -0500 From: "Mark Eginton" Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! To: Message-ID: <000601c98eaa$ac11ec10$6701a8c0 at HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Speaking of simple things, are the carb pistons free to seat. Did you make sure to release and center the jet on the needle before tightening the jet in place. If it binds and the piston does not seat, all you need is a rich mixture to get a fast idle... M ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:56:44 -0500 From: "Mark Eginton" Subject: [Fot] Paint Codes Red To: Message-ID: <000801c98eac$12193210$6701a8c0 at HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since I am rebuilding the engine, I thought I would repaint the engine compartment in advance of a repaint of the car in the next few years. I am absolutely dizzy with paint codes. I think I have found the PPG codes, but the correct red for each year back to 57 is quite sketchy. I painted the car in the early 80s but it turned out more orange red than the color the car was. What I have learned is that there is three potential colors Triumph Red (I think this is the orange-red color my car was painted) Signal Red Sunset Red Everyone I know is using printed color charts off the internet. Seems there are a lot of Signal Red '57s on the internet and left to my own devices I would probably choose that color. Any one else wrestle with this? Now I know what my wife went through picking her china pattern. I wish I could mine the gold they use in red these days to justify the cost of the paint!!! M ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:22:26 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher Subject: [Fot] Chicago area swap meet To: fot at autox.team.net Message-ID: <4996D3A2.7000609 at bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings list. Next Sunday, Feb. 22, is the Chicago British swap meet.We will be there with a booth, our usual spot in building #2. If anyone needs me to bring something to the meet, please let me know. Please have your order in by next Friday - packing and leaving on Saturday. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 *********************************** From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 19 14:29:57 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:29:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominated for Worst Movie of All Time Message-ID: <20090219213946.D10ED187C37@autox.team.net> I have to agree... http://videogum.com/archives/the-hunt-for-the-worst-movie-of-all-time/the-hunt-for-the-worst-movie-o-26_025981.html The Hunt For The Worst Movie Of All Time: Driven Who suggested Driven? Who was it? SHOW YOURSELF! You should all be ashamed. Sure, we're all having a good time talking about these terrible movies and oh ha ha, isn't it funny how Gabe is such a jerk and he was to watch them and he's so stupid and I hate him and wish he would fall down some stairs. But there's a point where it's not funny anymore, and that point is when we're talking about Driven. To paraphrase Sarah Palin, there is a special place in hell for whoever made me watch this movie. Driven is about a young race car driver, Jimmy Bly, who is supposed to be the best race car driver, but lately he's been losing his edge, so Burt Reynolds calls up Sylvester Stallone and is like "I need you to be a race car driver some more," and Sylvester Stallone is like "I am working on a race car in my barn, that's how you know that I am a serious driver." In their first race together on Team Burt Reynolds, Burt Reynolds uses Sylvester Stallone to get in the way of another driver, Beau Brandenburg, so that Jimmy Bly can win. Everyone is happy. Jimmy steals Beau's girlfriend. But then Beau steals his girlfriend back and turns her into his wife. And then Jimmy Bly is bad at racing again and his brother who is also his manager is like "I'm selling you down the river," and Burt Reynolds is like "We're all selling you down the river, Jimmy Bly," and it looks like things are over for Jimmy Bly. Meanwhile, Sylvester Stallone's ex wife Gina Gershon is an asshole. In the final race Jimmy Bly gets one last chance to prove what he's made of or else it's down the river he goes, and at one point it looks like he's going to lose, but then later he wins. Someone opens champagne. There are two things keeping this wretched piece of gasoline-scented nonsense from conclusively winning the title of Worst Movie of All Time: 1. It lacks the failed ambition that I think is the true Hallmark of the most terrible movie. A bad action movie is a bad action movie is a bad action movie. If you're dealing in superficials, then your mistakes are superficial. Granted, Driven is filled with some UNBEARABLE MISTAKES. But more importantly... 2. It's not really a movie. Driven is not a movie. It's almost two hours long, it has movie stars in it, and you watch it on DVD, but it's not a movie. I don't know what it is, I only know what it is not. Take, for example, this clip. Yes, it is long, but eight minutes is a small trade off for the other 108 you're saiving. Now, did you notice how that was FUCKING AWFUL? But if you'll look a little closer, you'll notice a couple of other things. For one, the music NEVER STOPS. The whole movie, there is always music playing, and it's always a little too loud. You have to strain to hear every word of dialogue. Well, you don't have to, I guess. You could sit back and just enjoy the great jams. (You could not sit back and just enjoy the great jams.) It is also of note that all of the race car drivers except for Jimmy Bly and Sylvester Stallone are gay German porn actors. Admittedly, I'm not a racing fan, so maybe that's accurate. Perhaps everyone in NASCAR is a gay German porn actor. There's simply no way for us to know whether or not that's true. Perhaps my favorite part of the whole whatever-Driven-is-because-it's-not-a-movie was the dramatic final race. Jimmy Bly has one final chance to show that he has what it takes to be the best in the world. For a little while, he's doing well, but he starts to have a flame out near the end of the race, which is when his one true friend, Sylvester Stallone, comes to save him. He drives with what were are told is the greatest skills, and eventually damages his car but not before buying Jimmy Bly enough time to pull into the lead. Kind of. Actually, him and the gay German porn racer are neck and neck, and Jimmy wins by a photo finish. That's how we know he's a true champion. Because only a true champion has to have his friend come in and bail him out and even still only barely wins. Behind every legendary hero there is a story of constant, anti-climactic near failure. Although I was probably unimpressed with his tremendous victory only because I'd already seen him succeed when it came time for the dramatic 10 hops. Dramatic hops! Can he get to 10? Sylvester Stallone is like "See? See those hops? Now what." This movie was unacceptable. It is definitely the winner of the Hunt for the Worst Sports-Based Action Movie and Maybe Just Action Movie of All Time, and solidly in the top 5 of our general search. And you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. From mavanlake at fedex.com Thu Feb 19 06:16:59 2009 From: mavanlake at fedex.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:16:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ??? Message-ID: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> What is going to take to get my E-Mail I.D. changed? I sent a request weeks ago and it has not been updated? Form: oldspeed72 at charter.com To: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com MARK A. VAN LAKE FEDEX CORP. SAFETY SO. REGION [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From mark at bradakis.com Fri Feb 20 10:17:10 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ??? In-Reply-To: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> Message-ID: <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Mark wrote: > What is going to take to get my E-Mail I.D. changed? I sent a request weeks > ago and it has not been updated? > > Actually it is pretty easy. At the bottom of every message, or top if you are on digest mode, there is a link to the FOT admin page. You log in, unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new one. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 20 10:26:18 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:26:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 10:35:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:35:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 10:45:27 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > A. > > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 20 11:10:02 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:10:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7ECB38D3-BEFC-421F-9C06-D36B26F226A9@bnj.com> Yikes. what was he doing at the end with all that swerving. Too bad they didn't just put up the raw footage, I would have liked to see the whole race. On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From EDENMA at aol.com Fri Feb 20 12:30:09 2009 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:30:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Nominated for Worst Movie of All Time Message-ID: Well.........Alrighty then!! Cheers! Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 13:15:45 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:15:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Message-ID: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. ~Steve >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:43:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:43:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 for Sale Message-ID: Amici... Paul Fitzsimmons, a long time vintage Bugeye racer and fellow member of the VSCDA Board of Directors, sent me this email about a nice TR6 available for sale. Paul lives in Dubuque, Iowa. I have no personal interest nor knowledge of the car, but would certainly take Paul at his word. Here are the details if anyone has an interest. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-941499f139f326; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:52 -0500 Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.mailhosting.netins.net [167.142.228.77]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-941499f139f326; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:35 -0500 X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [216.43.70.112] (account pfitzsimmons at blairfitzsimmons.com HELO [192.168.1.175]) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPA id 1906327886 for BillDentin at aol.com; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:33:35 -0600 Message-ID: <499F1397.5070300 at blairfitzsimmons.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:33:27 -0600 From: Paul Fitzsimmons User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Dentinger Subject: Re: TR6 for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 167.142.228.77 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A friend of mine has a street TR6 which he wants to sell. It has 44,000 miles, new red line tires, new carpet (I think), and is in mint condition. It did have air conditioning, but he removed it. It has been repainted and is a dark blue. He is asking $12,500.00. Reason for sale is that he is losing his job with the post office after 28 years because they are shutting down the facility where he works. I can probably get photos if someone is interested. Paul F. From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 14:51:35 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390902201351t2d293c7dkee01ba76ba8d1d07@mail.gmail.com> KERS 2009/2/20 steve > What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the > steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort > of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. > > ~Steve > > > >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >> > >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Feb 20 15:00:35 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:00:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 for Sale Message-ID: Do we know what year it is? I have a potential customer looking for a 1976 model. He wants it to be the original Blue. Can't remember if that is Tahiti or which shade. Thanks, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 21 11:57:28 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:57:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The black box might be an heater unit to defog the windscreen. If you really like you can have a full lap of Tim. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/47 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von steve Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 21:16 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. ~Steve >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 22 02:13:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The nerve to go all out? Very simple  racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. It is just enjoyment and you dont care about the possible consequences. Cheers Chris Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From triosan at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:19:46 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:19:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > The nerve to go all out? > Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. > Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a > woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few > seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. > It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. > > Wonderful. > > A. > > 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > > A. > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 22 12:20:11 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:20:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The more I write English the better I get. Hope you never hear me speaking English  terrible! This hard German accent. When I told my wife about my wish to race I said this: If I die you are a rich widow and have choice of milliards of men. What can be better? She agreed and let me go racing in the hope becoming a rich widow after the racing weekend. It is so easy to make women happy. Von: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009 19:20 An: MadMarx Cc: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: The nerve to go all out? Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. Cheers Chris Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Feb 22 12:38:36 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:38:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints to help? Paul This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 22 12:45:32 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> I also have not been able to download this video. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints >to > help? > > Paul > > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 22 12:49:10 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:49:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> References: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> Message-ID: <4EA67680-B9DF-4429-A697-0AE1ED84113A@gt6.ca> Its a Quicktime Movie. A. On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I also have not been able to download this video. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Feb 22 13:05:56 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4EA67680-B9DF-4429-A697-0AE1ED84113A@gt6.ca> Message-ID: I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays at 0% until it shuts off. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: Friends of Triumph Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Its a Quicktime Movie. A. On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I also have not been able to download this video. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 13:34:42 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:34:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife References: Message-ID: i cannot get the movie to work either.... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints >to > help? > > Paul > > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 22 13:52:40 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:52:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? A Sent from my iPod Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > i cannot get the movie to work either.... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billdentin at aol.com Sun Feb 22 14:04:13 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:04:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334><499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com><4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com><4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB63483F8B450D-EEC-42A1@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com> <<< Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is!>> Yeah, (or Ja in Deutchland), but also in both you 'mach snell' at the end. Bill (Damdinger) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > The nerve to go all out? > Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. > Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a > woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few > seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. > It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. > > Wonderful. > > A. > > 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > > A. > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 14:32:18 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:32:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 - is that a stock box? overdrive? On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? > > A > > Sent from my iPod > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca > > On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > >> i cannot get the movie to work either.... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > >> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > >> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> >>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. >>> Any hints to >>> help? >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> This is a nice one I found on the web. >>> >>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] Scott Janzen Catalyst Real Estate LLC 215-233-9500 (T) 215-817-9315 (M) Janzen at REcatalyst.com www.REcatalyst.com 7805 Ardmore Avenue Wyndmoor, PA 19038 From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 22 15:29:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:29:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: Yeah, worked fine on mine too. I figure it's a dog box, or not OEM. but probably Dogs On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 > - is that a stock box? overdrive? > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? >> >> A >> >> Sent from my iPod >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca >> >> On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: >> >>> i cannot get the movie to work either.... >>> Racer Bud >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" >>> >>> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" >>> >>> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >>> >>> >>>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. >>>> Any hints to >>>> help? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> This is a nice one I found on the web. >>>> >>>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which > had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] > Scott Janzen > Catalyst Real Estate LLC > 215-233-9500 (T) > 215-817-9315 (M) > Janzen at REcatalyst.com > www.REcatalyst.com > 7805 Ardmore Avenue > Wyndmoor, PA 19038 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 22 15:40:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:40:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <20090222224042.39DC0187647@autox.team.net> Sounded like straight cut gears, probably a dog box. Didn't notice him using overdrive - he ran the revs up in 4th more than in the other gears, I assume that's because of no OD. Things sure happen fast in that footage! - Tony At 03:32 PM 2/22/2009, Scott Janzen wrote: >works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 >- is that a stock box? overdrive? > > >On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > > > Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? > > > > A > > > > Sent from my iPod > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca > > > > On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > > > >> i cannot get the movie to work either.... > >> Racer Bud > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > >> > > >> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > >> > > >> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > >> > >> > >>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. > >>> Any hints to > >>> help? > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> > >>> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >>> > >>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which >had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] >Scott Janzen >Catalyst Real Estate LLC >215-233-9500 (T) >215-817-9315 (M) >Janzen at REcatalyst.com >www.REcatalyst.com >7805 Ardmore Avenue >Wyndmoor, PA 19038 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 22 16:48:35 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:48:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> I get the same symptoms using Internet Explorer 6.0. I have a feeling that the issue with IE is related to security settings, but haven't investigated thoroughly. But FWIW, Mozilla Firefox (a free alternative to IE) seems to be downloading it. However it's SLOW. File is about 60Mb, I'm getting a download speed of about 90kb/sec, so probably 12-15 minutes for the download. And of course I'm saving it to my hard drive first, rather than trying to play it over such a slow link. Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:06 PM > To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays > at 0% until it shuts off. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM > To: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > > Its a Quicktime Movie. > > A. > > On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > I also have not been able to download this video. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > > > > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > > > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > > > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no > success. Any > >> hints to help? > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >> > >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada > Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 22 17:06:37 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:06:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". Well almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc then it states, sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I get the same symptoms using Internet Explorer 6.0. I have a feeling that > the issue with IE is related to security settings, but haven't > investigated > thoroughly. > > But FWIW, Mozilla Firefox (a free alternative to IE) seems to be > downloading > it. However it's SLOW. File is about 60Mb, I'm getting a download speed > of > about 90kb/sec, so probably 12-15 minutes for the download. And of course > I'm saving it to my hard drive first, rather than trying to play it over > such a slow link. > > Randall > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:06 PM >> To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays >> at 0% until it shuts off. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On >> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau >> Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> >> Its a Quicktime Movie. >> >> A. >> >> On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >> > I also have not been able to download this video. >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" >> > > > > >> > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" >> > > > >> > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> > >> > >> >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no >> success. Any >> >> hints to help? >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada >> Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 22 17:15:19 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> A few years ago I downloaded Quicktime and I nothing but problems running movies after that. When I saw Quicktime was the application I ran away fast. Not for me to deal with ever again. Just my personal experience. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Randall" ; "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". Well > almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc then it > states, > sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:34:38 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> (JTo get the movie(s), go to:(B (Jhttp://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell(B (Jand click on the 2 links:(B $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JEifelrennen 2008 im Triumph TR4: Szenen (60 MB)(B (JWir erleben hier in Ausschnitten das 2008er Eifelrennen. Das Auto: Triumph(B (JTR4, Baujahr 1962, ca. 180 PS, auf "historischer" Dunlop Racing Bereifung.(B (JDer Fahrer: Timm Meinrenken. Man beachte die Gegner dieses TR4!(B (J $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JEifelrennen 2008: Eine sehr schnelle Runde im Triumph TR4 (69 MB)(B (JIn etwas mehr als 11 Minuten zeigt uns Timm Meinrenken, wie man die(B (JNordschleife inklusive Grand Prix Kurs in einem Triumph TR4, bereift mit(B (J"historischen" Dunlop Racings, umrunden kann!(B (J $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JClark(B (JClark W. Nicholls(B (J1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration)(B (J"Reality, it's not what you think."(B From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:37:30 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> Message-ID: <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> Darn html... http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 22 18:14:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> Message-ID: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Feb 22 18:26:06 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49A1FB2E.9010403@dfn.com> Tony Drews wrote: > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go > to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the > bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you > right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run > it from your local computer you may have better success. You will > need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to > another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You > Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, > though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. > If one is constitutionally opposed to the Apple QuickTime player, both Media Player Classic and VideoLAN will play videos with the .mov extension: http://www.videolan.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ Both work well with currently available Windows operating systems. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 22 18:38:28 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:38:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090223013828.EUGU20000.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> FWIW, I did manage to get it to play, finally. After using Mozilla to download it (IE wouldn't even start), QuickTime still wouldn't play it. Mostly a GP fault, but sometimes it just pretended it didn't have a file. However, doing an "open with" Windows Media Player 9 played it on my machine. Just something you might try, if you do manage to download the file. Good stuff, tho it's a bit disappointing how easily even the 65 Mustang ran away from him on the straight. My mildly tweaked TR3A used to edge out a dead stock 289, but I guess they had a lot more potential. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 18:50:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:50:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: cutting edge technology :)..could be Triumphs Message-ID: <80F8E86E92104A6D96D33DEA0C63B3B7@Bud> Hello Gang...this can also be done with 2 Triumphs... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee & Sandi Hoge" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: cutting edge technology :) > One of the best....Been around before, still makes me laugh out > loud....:>):>) > > > Subject: cutting edge technology :) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of AWD.wmv] From spitlist at cox.net Sun Feb 22 20:10:43 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:10:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7AD4E466F89D47A9AB7C3D97F799CF75@joepentiumnew> I finally got the video to run, but only after upgrading Quicktime to the latest revision and deleting all my Temporary internet files. Great stuff! Thanks, Tony Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 22 20:27:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:27:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <85C73C68-38B9-439F-8D0E-9CB4A2D4FF74@bnj.com> Macintosh. End of story. I used PC equipment for years and years, understood deep into the guts, more than I really wanted to. Bought a Mac notebook because i liked the case and I could run windows on it, but I wound up using the Mac OS more than windows. Now I wouldn't touch a windows machine, just not worth the effort. And YUCK, Vista. On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". > Well almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc > then it states, sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" > To: "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 20:58:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:58:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <6DBE7EBBDD474D3DAEFB58A4A9B3ED20@Bud> Hi Tony..your video of Blackhawk is Terrific!...'You made My Day'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 06:10:21 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:10:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife video and quick time formats .. Message-ID: <215964.16700.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone said they were affraid of quicktime ... they, or anyone else who needs a player for this, can download the free "VLC player" ... it works great on quicktime and several other formats. I know this works on windos apps ... not sure of apple or any other os... Hope this helps Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 06:38:04 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material Message-ID: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - does anyone know what the NASCAR builders use for windshield, side, and rear glass material. I was standing next to one of their cars at the Chicago auto show last week - amazed at what seemed to be a very light gauged material. Also. The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked like black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, drilled full of many large holes for see through. Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? Maybe it's just painted. Thanks Dennis DeLap From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 07:13:53 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:13:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <63B1DEF5FBA149D683A7FC09DAB33AFE@richardiipc> Tony, Your system worked great and the video is well worth the effort. And the "Well that sucked" is still one of the all time great mini-epic videos. Thanks. Richard -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 23 07:52:09 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:52:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: Amici... Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the NASCAR race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, and I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, and the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar that ran 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. Bill Dentinger ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Feb 23 08:41:48 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB58@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> You've got to check this out, really cool ! There is always a way to make old parts ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Feb 23 08:45:11 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:45:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB6D@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> You've got to check this out, really cool > > http://jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Lets try this again ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Mon Feb 23 09:46:33 2009 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:46:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: <20090223104633.2wbuisvhbhccks84@secure.uwalumni.com> I believe that'd be Smokey Cook, who apparently ran an MG for one lap of a Grand National race in 1960 and another 13 laps in a 200-mile race at Bowman-Gray stadium 1963. http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=cooksm01 http://blog.vcu.edu/nascar/car_of_tomorrow/ Jim Hill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Dentinger wrote: > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of > the NASCAR race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but > racing is racing, and I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, > Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer > performance, and the first time there was any non-USA players. If I > understood them correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first > outsider was an MG sportscar that ran 15th. I found that > interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 23 09:53:40 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:53:40 -1000 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material In-Reply-To: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: lexan, and the aluminum is probably anodized. On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:38 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > AMICI - does anyone know what the NASCAR builders use for > windshield, side, and rear glass material. I was standing next to > one of their cars at the Chicago auto show last week - amazed at > what seemed to be a very light gauged material. > Also. The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked > like black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, > drilled full of many large holes for see through. > Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? Maybe it's > just painted. > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 23 10:16:15 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:16:15 EST Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: FOT, It was easy to miss, but FOT Jim Hill was listed in the Vintage Motorsports Magazine as one of the former owners of the very historic V-8 Powered Genie. We visited the Genie in California and stayed with another prior owner. Nice reunion for Jim. If Jim wants to add anymore, I'll let him. Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:18:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:18:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7C1E65790060476FB555E3E7419A3FEE@Bud> Tony..your videos are terrific..thanks! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:19:32 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:19:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... References: Message-ID: <695B82A60F3243798C398768C575687E@Bud> It seems that there was a Jaguar in the early days on the beach? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the > NASCAR > race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, > and > I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, > and > the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them > correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar > that ran > 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:23:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:23:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... References: Message-ID: <649DF1C13495460788A9D1712944A5B2@Bud> Found it!...Al Keller won a Nascar race in 1954 at Linden airport new jersey in a Jaguar xk120 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the > NASCAR > race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, > and > I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, > and > the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them > correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar > that ran > 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:26:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:26:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine References: Message-ID: <28EA79FDABA04260B971A4D7F014CAC9@Bud> Joe...was that the car that Paul Reinhardt drove? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine > FOT, > > It was easy to miss, but FOT Jim Hill was listed in the Vintage > Motorsports > Magazine as one of the former owners of the very historic V-8 Powered > Genie. > > We visited the Genie in California and stayed with another prior owner. > Nice > reunion for Jim. > > If Jim wants to add anymore, I'll let him. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 23 10:35:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:35:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: In a message dated 02/23/2009 11:23:31 AM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > Found it!...Al Keller won a Nascar race in 1954 at Linden airport new > jersey > in a Jaguar xk120 > Off list Mike Cook too has pointed out to me that there were even earlier Brits (JAG XK120) involved with NASCAR. He also said at some point NASCAR then closed the doors to all but domestic cars and push rod engines. With rules like that I suggested, "Gosh, they're a lot like the French." To which Mr. Cook pointed out that the key name in NASCAR is France. I suspect that shortly after they hid the words 'Stock Car' in their name. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Feb 23 10:48:47 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:48:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material In-Reply-To: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c501c995de$fb0559c0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked like > black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, drilled full of > many large holes for see through. > Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? If you poke around on the web a bit, you should have no trouble finding recipes for anodizing at home. Eg, http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize.html -- Randall From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 14:25:14 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB6D@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: <148927.95990.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nothing new, although the NextEngine scanner has only been available for about 4-5 years. The Dimension Rapid Prototyping machine is actually made by Stratasys, and they have been around since 1990. I have been involved with different RP systems since 1987. My employer was one of the early adopters of the technology, and we have systems that can make parts as fine as 16 microns layers. We also have systems that can make metal parts directly from cad or make sand casts. For more information than you ever want to know about, check out www.sme.org/rtam. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: "Deanes, Robert" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:45:11 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! You've got to check this out, really cool > > http://jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Lets try this again ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 20:14:15 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Trying to identify some TR6 valves Message-ID: <000501c9962d$f9b715f0$b1191718@computer> In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From dave at microworks.net Mon Feb 23 22:01:48 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference Message-ID: <20090224050254.8493B187665@autox.team.net> Got a Text this evening from Speed. "F1 Alert: Watch the US F1 Press Conference LIVE on Speed. Tuesday February 24th at Noon ET / 9:00am PT" From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 11:18:16 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:18:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cars For Sale Message-ID: <000001c996ac$43be8330$cb3b8990$@racer@comcast.net> The following email message was sent to me by a vintage racing friend in the Mid-West and might be of interest to some of your. This is all the information I have. Gary -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:00 AM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Street cars for sale, MGA, GT6s, Midgets I'm attempting to sell some old cars from my uncles estate. The cars are located in Highland, CA. -1956 MGA currently Black w/ red int, rebuilt engine 0 miles, new chrome wire wheels, needs int. installed and resto completed, NO rust solid car, non-op, $12500 obo. -1973 GT6 Green, black int., needs int. and misc put back together, non-op, $3000 obo. -GT6 (3) -Midgets (3) in various stages of disrepair, parts cars, no paper, make offer . No pictures yet. DW From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 24 15:59:08 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:59:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions Message-ID: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> FOT: I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? You can contact me off line. Western Eagle Racing Ron Jacobs From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 16:14:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:14:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 19:41:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:41:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Hi Gang..I've been enjoying Tony's In Car Videos greatly(he sent me a link to them).......I sure would like to see more of Triumph Racing....Send the links to FOT......this stuff ..Makes My Day and keeps me 'Fired Up' To Race Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 24 22:49:51 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR Message-ID: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> I finally made the CVAR driver's school. I would like to thank this list as most of you contributed in my efforts to transform a rust bucket into a race car. Specifically I would like to acknowledge the sacrifices of my family that made this event possible. My wife spent many a lonely night wondering if I would ever come back into the house. I wonder why she puts up with me especially when I was breaking in the engine at 4am the morning of the event. She has really gone above and beyond the call these past few months while I painted and assembled the car. I have a huge debt to repay to her. I would like to thank fellow FOT member Bob Blake for infecting me with this disease in my early childhood by dragging me all around north Texas looking for this TR3. His passion for Triumphs rubbed off on me much to my wife's chagrin. Although he will deny it, he was a very helpful crew member this weekend while attending to a tech list about a page long that needed to be resolved before Saturday evening. He also spent the previous weekend helping me install the engine and transmission. Thanks Dad. I would like to thank Bob Kramar for his countless hours spent answering technical questions over the past 4 years and helping me through my first weekend. It is such a treat to have people like Bob around. After arriving at TWS 10 minutes late Friday morning, I went off to my class room session with a thermostat housing acting like a blow hole. I come back to a unit that is sealed up with some magical John Deer product which held tight for the weekend. For those of you that have not met Bob, he is one of those individuals that does not ask permission to help, he assesses the situation and dives right in without getting in the way. I would have never made it through the weekend without Bob, and his tools. His Wife even brought me a spare oil filter head from his stock of spares to help me with an oil pressure issue. They did all of this while their son Andrew was also taking the driver's school in a car that is very well prepared by Bob. As for the performance of the car, I have a few issues that I need help on. 1st oil pressure. I am running with Chevy rods which I know some others on the list are also running. For those of you running these rods as a piston guided setup, what oil pressure do you see cold & hot at 2000 & 5000 rpm? By the end of Saturday, I had the relief valve turned up such that cold at 2000rpm I was running 80psi. This got me to where I was seeing 60psi hot at 5000rpm. This seemed a bit low to me. When coming into the pits and the engine going below 2000rpm the pressure was dropping below 40psi. This was all with 20-50 VR1. Differential issues. I was experiencing excessive noise all weekend from the rear of the car. On Sunday it got bad enough to trailer the car. When I put it up in the air to investigate the source of the noise, I could take the driveshaft right at the input flange of the diff and move the input shaft of the diff in all directions about 1/4". This was a freshly rebuilt unit. I have not had a chance to pull the diff yet to open it up and investigate, but I am looking for any experience in what can cause a pinion bearing to let go at such an early stage n its life. Thanks, Greg From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Feb 24 22:22:03 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:22:03 EST Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR Message-ID: Greg, welcome to the family!! I could not agree more with your kind comments about Bob Kramer & family. They are truly great friends & people. Normally you would have had to put up with me too but I have plans to go to Mid-Ohio this summer to see an old friend and do a little joint racing. NO, not that kind! Ha ha so I had to put the Feb. TWS event off but count on seeing me down there this fall. I also plan to make Hallett & Eagles Canyon so hopefully we'll meet then. FoT is a tremendous group of caring individuals all driven by one singular desire....Preserve these fantastic vehicles. OK, and enjoy the heck out of them too! Others may disagree but I would not be that alarmed at the oil pressure. Can't offer much on the differential other than to say they are touchy beasties and must be shimmed and set up VERY correctly by someone a lot smarter than I. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 63 TR 4 # 69 **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 24 22:24:42 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:24:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR In-Reply-To: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Congratulations! As far as oil pressure goes, 10 pounds per 1000 RPM hot is kind of the gold standard. sounds like you've got that. Roller and Ball bearings either fail right away or last a good while. no guess as to why yours failed, but it did. Replace it and all the other bearings in the diff (because they are now junk too), clean everything to a scrupulous degree and go on. Onward and upward. Race cars always have a punch list. they shrink and swell but never disappear. Welcome to the fraternity of people that mess with cars. It's a fine bunch, and it sounds like you've been genetically programmed to be part of it. Your family has my deepest sympathies, and ain't it fun. On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I finally made the CVAR driver's school. I would like to thank this > list as most of you contributed in my efforts to transform a rust > bucket > into a race car. Specifically I would like to acknowledge the From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 23:21:26 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:21:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves Message-ID: <002501c99711$49ec9750$b1191718@computer> In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 01:10:32 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:10:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves In-Reply-To: <002501c99711$49ec9750$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <828679.7279.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, The endless down sizing of the US auto parts industry may have resulted in some former TRW parts popping up in boxes marked with the Federal Mogul logos. A few years back I purchased some forged pistons for an American V-type engine that looked remarkably identical to old TRW stock in new Federal Mogul boxes. Perhaps you should attempt to contact a Federal Mogul supplier before they disappear from the landscape to see if they can identify the TRW part # 34657SS valves. Jim Prettyleaf --- On Tue, 2/24/09, jim hearn wrote: From: jim hearn Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 10:21 PM In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 06:30:08 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions In-Reply-To: <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> Message-ID: <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> Hey Bud If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the fees. They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. You know what I mean. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Feb 25 09:35:20 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR In-Reply-To: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <49A57348.9010300@pobox.com> Congratulations Greg, Sounds like your pressure is marginally on the low side. We also run Chevy rods in our TR3 and cannot tell the oil pressure is any different from running stock rods. Mine run on a welded up stock crank rather than with spacers at the wrist pins, but that difference should not effect oil pressure. Did you replace the cam bearings when you rebuilt the engine? That is often overlooked on a rebuild. Are you running the accessory outside line to the rockers? That will rob some pressure from the rest of the system. I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about Bob. He's helped me a lot over the years. The key question is did you run enough sessions to get signed off for the weekend? What about Andrew Kramer? I noticed he was not listed as running the last few sessions. CVAR's licensing requirements of completing four full weekends within a year are tough when you're simultaneously trying to sort a new car. Of course, I also have to ask how you like the cam? Larry Young Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > On Sunday it got bad enough to trailer the > car. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:12:05 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions In-Reply-To: <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> Message-ID: <000301c9977c$f33d0090$d9b701b0$@racer@comcast.net> It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It may vary from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover ambulance, EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and the biggee - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not run an event without any of them. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:30 AM To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions Hey Bud If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the fees. They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. You know what I mean. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:27:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:27:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> <000301c9977c$f33d0090$d9b701b0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm kind of confused here..i didn't say anything about entry fees? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: "'Craig'" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It may vary > from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover > ambulance, > EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and the > biggee > - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not run an > event > without any of them. > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Craig > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > Hey Bud > If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the > fees. > They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. > You know what I mean. > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM > To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said > "I > KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > >> FOT: >> I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. >> The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. >> Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) >> to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much >> dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's >> TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? >> You can contact me off line. >> Western Eagle Racing >> Ron Jacobs >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billbab at mac.com Wed Feb 25 14:08:46 2009 From: Billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:08:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR4 Engines and recessions References: Message-ID: <97144611-EB51-4D81-8AC0-A1E928B6DF13@mac.com> No, but Craig did, and I have to say that spell checkers aside, it's looks a little silly to pejoratively call someone geniuses when you spell it "genesis". Clubs don't make big money on events. In fact many usually lose some on a few, make some on a few and it all comes out in the wash. They set the fees where they suspect they will come out best. Too high and you don't get enough cars, too low and you can't cover expenses--there are a limited number of likely entries for every event except the huge ones like Monterey. Clubs are going to go through hard times this year i suspect. some may not survive. It behooves us all to be as supportive as we can be. No clubs=no races. Then what? i'll just be a hoodlum out tearing up backcountry roads, that's what, and no one wants to see that. > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 9:27 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> I'm kind of confused here..i didn't say anything about entry fees? >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" > > >> To: "'Craig'" ; "'RACER BUD'" > >; ; >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:12 AM >> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions >> >> >>> It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It >>> may vary >>> from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover >>> ambulance, >>> EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and >>> the biggee >>> - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not >>> run an event >>> without any of them. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions >>> >>> Hey Bud >>> If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering >>> the fees. >>> They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. >>> You know what I mean. >>> Craig From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Feb 25 14:23:43 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Feb 25 14:48:34 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <380-220092325214834333@M2W023.mail2web.com> Absolutely autocross school. It really gives confidence in their driving abilities and lets them understand the limits of the specific car they will be driving without harm (skid pad, slalom, etc.). I think it would also teach a little humility when they think they can handle something and they can't. Good luck! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: alfetta95 at optonline.net Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 14:49:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:49:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: I did not do that with my 4 kids(all grown now)..If they had been interested in it I would have.......I will say that ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PUT HER IN A SMALL CAR when she's ready to drive on her own...Your #1 job is to keep her safe..I hope she never has a fender bender...if she does you'll be glad she was not in something tiny Father Experience.. AKA Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Feb 25 14:49:42 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:49:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: Todd Ive had my 7 year old out in karts and my 10 year old has navigated the TR4 through the Somerset lanes and had a go at some autotesting ...... dont you just love girls ...... Get her in there fast. I keep telling mine that one day, if she learns to peddle hard she'll meet someone like her Dad, but with more money and better cars. All the best Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 25 14:58:34 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:58:34 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a fine idea, and it can be very cheap. Most car clubs offer racing license classes pretty inexpensively. Take the class with her. Another very useful skill is skid control. See if any of the local performance driving schools have a skid control class. If I were king I'd revamp driver licensing in the US completely. You'd have to really study and really learn how to control a car before you could get even a permit. the US has four times the death and injury rate per capita of most european countries. It doesn't all come down to education and experience, but a lot of it does. On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:23 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 15:04:09 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:04:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PA requires that kids log 50 hours over 6 months with a parent prior to taking their driving test, while in learner's permit mode. 50 hours is a surprisingly significant amount of time, esp. accrued over 10-20 minute neighborhood trips. That's what we did with my now-17 year old. Even after she got her license, we limited her to daylight driving for a few months, no highway, no more than one friend in the car, radio off (I'm sure that was not adhered to), cell phone in the trunk, etc. The other thing that was immensely helpful in encouraging other drivers to give us a wide berth was a magnetic, bright yellow "student driver" sign stuck on the back of the car for the first few months. find 'em on the web for $10. On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:23 PM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Feb 25 15:18:13 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:18:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCF9596E90B400CA4CF35B3C941A8D9@joepentiumnew> In my case, I took a whole lot of sedatives. My daughter went to driver's school and took the driving test 4 times before the instructor took pity on her and let her pass. One of the times she failed was because she hit another car while attempting to parallel park. My condolences! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:24 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Feb 25 15:49:31 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: STREET SURVIVAL go to streetsurvival.org I'm also a big fan of local solo events for reasons easily explained (see .sig). rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Feb 25 15:39:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090225225230.A61B0187652@autox.team.net> My oldest Daughter is soon to be 19 (in March) and when she got her learners permit back when she was 15.5 we of course did all the "normal" stuff in the neighborhood, city streets and parking practice in big empty parking lots. But one of the more enjoyable outings was to take a run on the Freeway to a small town outside the metro area to let her get the car up to speed and play with feeling what higher speed felt like. The small town I picked to drive out to had a good diner that I had been to quite a few times in the past that we hit for lunch. Got to spend some good time in the car with her and she got to drive in a bunch of different environments (open freeway, in-city freeway, surface streets, small town, etc...) When she turned 17 I had her go through the High Performance Driving class that I teach for NASA. She loved it and did the class one other time before she moved out of state to go to school up in Oregon. My middle daughter is getting her permit this week so I'm back in that same boat with you. The soon to be 17 year old son is a different story. He started racing karts when he was 9 so driving is no big deal to him. At 02:23 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote: >Amici, > >My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out >driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking >about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence >behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done >or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > >Thanks! > >Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! >Todd Redmond >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Feb 25 15:52:10 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:52:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76f1f3f26d7f8a7ac78385c3facabab9.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Autoweek has been really pushing a teen driver safety program - you might check their website to follow the whole discussion. I suspect that it will be there, but have not checked to be sure. On Wed, February 25, 2009 4:23 pm, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From deanesr at uncw.edu Wed Feb 25 16:12:45 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094516836F88C1@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well guys I have three girls, yes it's been a hand full, the oldest is 28 now and when she started driving she used my Jeep or my wife's car, when we thought she had a little experience I gave her my Spitfire which I just put Webers and a header on, well in about 3 months of keeping her on one side of town I extended her range to do a doctors visit, at a stop light she ran into a Mexican guy that stopped three times under the light, she got the ticket, I got the car, trashed the bonnet, the Mexican couldn't speak English so the cop couldn't even write a ticket. He was a visitor in the country driving a Cat. with no American licenses. The next daughter bought her own car and I have one to go that will has a permit and she will by her own car. I don't let them drive any of my TR's !!! I am also looking at some sort of "advanced" school. Rob Deanes From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 25 16:32:37 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I vividly remember learning how to drive in N. Ireland as a teenager. It's *hard*. Driving test was about an hour long, maybe more. Was very real world. Go to this part of town. Parallel park. Parallel park on the *off* side on a one way street. Eye test was 'What is the license plate number on that green car over there?' Had to drive on city streets, residential streets, and highways (though not limited access, but pretty darn close). The sadists at MOT scheduled my first test for rush hour. Needless to say, I failed. Several times. The other thing that struck me as a teenager in NI was the zero tolerance to drunk drivers amongst my peers. This was 1979 mind you, and no one ever drove home drunk. There was always a DD. And plenty of drunk teenagers. :) The having to drive with the big red 'L' on your learner's permit and the 'R' (restricted) for 6 months after getting your license was a help too. As to sending your kid to performance driving school, I think it's a great idea. If I had kids, I would. And I'd send 'em to the motorcycle Basic Rider course, if for no other reason than to teach them to look out for bikes and to be able to drive anything we own. (the first car *is* a manual trans, right?) iii On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > It's a fine idea, and it can be very cheap. Most car clubs offer > racing license classes pretty inexpensively. Take the class with her. > Another very useful skill is skid control. See if any of the local > performance driving schools have a skid control class. If I were king > I'd revamp driver licensing in the US completely. You'd have to really > study and really learn how to control a car before you could get even > a permit. > > the US has four times the death and injury rate per capita of most > european countries. It doesn't all come down to education and > experience, but a lot of it does. > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:23 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > > Todd Redmond > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 25 16:27:55 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:27:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: <628D659A4A7A4F4FAAD4588780414458@rocky> All my kids, when they reach that magic age, get one full season of autocross in the race car, all expenses paid. Starts in the spring, carries through to a trip to the Solo Nationals. I tell them I don't care if they do well, I don't care if they fall in love with the sport or not, and I'm not trying to make race drivers out of them. What I want is for them to become more skilled, more aware drivers, and to have some idea of the car's capabilities and their capabilities in an emergency situation. I also tell them I don't care if they break the car as long as it happens on the track -- it's a race car; it WILL break sometime, the only question is when. But break something goofing off in the paddock they'll pay for the repair. If they do fall in love with the sport and want to keep doing it, they gotta rent the car or buy their own. Four kids down so far, two to go. Three are still doing it in their own cars. One says she's gonna but hasn't done much. Youngest daughter just turned 16 and looking forward to it. Youngest son is 13 and says he is totally uninterested. As for schools -- I'd recommend an autocross school rather than a racing school. Many of the techniques are the same but the environment is more real-world (street & highway speeds, not race track speeds). Cheaper too. Look at www.evoschool.com and see if there isn't an upcoming school reasonably near you. These schools you do in your street car. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 16:41:28 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:41:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: <002801c997a2$955c9aa0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try one of the nearby race tracks. I know BeaveRun near Pittsburgh has several Highway Safety programs including winter driving and road skills. They also have Flat Out days with three different skill levels; 1 and 2 have a riding instructor and 3 is for more serious folks with no instructor on board. The Flat Out days for Level 3 are $170 and works well as a test and tune day. Fair amount of track time and BeaveRun is a nice track. There's also a great cart track there. And skid pad. The new track in NJ may have a similiar program. Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 25 17:02:59 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crane closes doors Message-ID: Crane Cams shuts down, workers laid off > > By JIM WITTERS > > Senior Business Writer > > DAYTONA BEACH " Crane Cams, a 56-year-old auto parts > manufacturer, closed its doors this week and laid off its employees, > a worker > said today. From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 25 17:26:27 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:26:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <14763248.1235607987997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Todd: I don't normally get involved in these discussions but this one is important. The responses I've read so far to your question offer some thoughtful advice. I raised two drivers, a son and a daughter. The son wanted to be a racing driver. . . he learned the basics of driving well but, like all young (and older?) males he needed self control. His high school car was an MG Midget it tought him control at speeds that were relatively low, rather like his old man learning that in a TR3 back in high school, himself. (It may be small and dangerous but the biggest risk our kids run in the car is too many of their friends in there with 'em) I promised him a trip to the Skip Barber School if he survived one year with no accidents that were his fault and no tickets. He won that prize. He's now a vehicle dynamics engineer at Toyota, a regional SCCA champ, and a thoughtful parent. We ran the 25 hours of Thunderhill together a year ago. He was faster than I was. His sister had no interest in driving as anything but a means to become mobile. The manual gearbox in the MG just wasn't fair as her friends didn't have to deal with that sort of thing. She had an early accident in the Ford Exploder. No serious injuries... Her motivations were very very different. She's now (years later) a perfectly competent driver and will soon be a mom. She is NOW interested in cars and much prefers a manual gearbox. (and is lusting after an XK-120) Why the stories? Well, the story of my son illustrates the value of motivation. The kids either have it or they don't. He did. We can't create it for them. The story of my daughter illustrates the same thing but with the promise that these things sometimes change. Most importantly, though, you have to build the syllabus to the student. Sending a kid to car control school is only of value if the kid is interested. Racing (high performance anyway) school only means something if the kid has enough knowledge already to put what they learn into perspective. Otherwise they don't know enough to understand what they are learning. Give her time. Listen carefully to her to understand why she wants to drive and what her interests are. Then build your plan around that and around the other realities of your lives together. The fact that you are asking the questions is good enough evidence that you'll likely do the right thing. Good luck with it. kind regards, jimdonick -----Original Message----- >From: alfetta95 at optonline.net >Sent: Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM >To: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > >Amici, > >My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > >Thanks! > >Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! >Todd Redmond >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 17:55:20 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:55:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After my two daughters got their license, a year or so after they started driving on the permit, we sent them to skid car school. The wife went with one daughter and I went with the other so it was sort of a driving school bonding deal. All of us learned from the experience, and even though it was over 12 years ago since the younger one took the school, we still talk about what we experienced, especially when driving on snow or ice. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:24 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Wed Feb 25 18:17:23 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chin spoiler Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE984A33BFF79@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> I am restoring a GT6+ to race again with SVRA. I am allowed a Group 44 style chin spoiler. I just purchased a spoiler from a good supplier but do not feel that it is as aggressive as what I recollect from the Group 44 team. The problem I am having is the black chin spoiler is difficult to see in pictures and I cannot find alternative suppliers. Does anyone have some good group 44 GT6 pictures with evident chin spoilers, and can anyone suggest possible suppliers Thank you Bill Bartlett From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 18:50:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:50:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: What a Terrific group FOT is...One guy asks for advice to help his family..and..it's like..Whammo!...the friendship and care comes flyin' out Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What did you do? > After my two daughters got their license, a year or so after they started > driving on the permit, we sent them to skid car school. The wife went > with > one daughter and I went with the other so it was sort of a driving school > bonding deal. All of us learned from the experience, and even though it > was > over 12 years ago since the younger one took the school, we still talk > about > what we experienced, especially when driving on snow or ice. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:24 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > > > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Wed Feb 25 18:53:56 2009 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:53:56 EST Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: Great discussion. My two that are of driving age both had the following offer. After getting their license I provided a car ('94 Jaguar with lots of miles. Big enough to be safe, rear-wheel drive, as God intended, to learn how to control on snow and ice covered Minnesota roads, interesting enough to be cool in the High school parking lot, and only $3,500!) paid insurance and maintained it. "A" honor role, no tickets, no accidents to keep the deal. I'll allow 1 ticket if it's minor, but beyond that, no "A"s, any accidents, and they pay their own insurance and maintenance. 2 tickets etc, they lose the car. We also did a lot of skid pad work in our local school parking lot after enough snow to make it fun. Both these two went to the VSCDA driver's school the year they turned 18, and have their vintage racing licenses. They are accident free, both Dean's list in college, and safe racers. It has worked for us! Growing-up in a racing family has helped a great deal in the safe attitude toward driving department. I'm very proud of them. John In a message dated 2/25/2009 3:40:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, alfetta95 at optonline.net writes: Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) From srcypher at mac.com Wed Feb 25 19:56:12 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:56:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: Out of my collection, I came across this GT6 bellhousing with a steel adapter plate; Does anyone recognize it, and/or could anyone tell me the bolt spacings on the known transmission adaptations people have done? Its about a 8"-1/4" bolt spacing at the top, 9-1/4" at the bottom, about 5" vertical spacing. Any leads on what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:56:32 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: <2F0AD128-78C2-483D-9F71-2FEEEF204986@xsmail.com> Out of my collection, I came across this GT6 bellhousing with a steel adapter plate; Does anyone recognize it, and/or could anyone tell me the bolt spacings on the known transmission adaptations people have done? Its about a 8"-1/4" bolt spacing at the top, 9-1/4" at the bottom, about 5" vertical spacing. Any leads on what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 20:02:55 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:02:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference In-Reply-To: <20090224050254.8493B187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000a01c997be$b9047fb0$b1191718@computer> Thanks for this tidbit Dave. Never would have known it was happening by my TV guide. It was very interesting. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:02 PM To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference Got a Text this evening from Speed. "F1 Alert: Watch the US F1 Press Conference LIVE on Speed. Tuesday February 24th at Noon ET / 9:00am PT" Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:35:36 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:35:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] >>NASS Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: <381429.10859.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2F0AD128-78C2-483D-9F71-2FEEEF204986@xsmail.com> <381429.10859.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: sorry, go to my gallery link http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#100703 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Feb 25 20:47:32 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:47:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] SCCA TR3/4 Message-ID: <20090225.224732.18353.1@webmail19.dca.untd.com> I was just reading the SCCA's February Fastrack News and noticed that someone has proposed moving TR3's from EP to FP. Here is what was posted "FP  Move the Triumph TR 2/3/4 to FP/HP (Blust). Tabled for further research. " Is the "Blust" that requested this on the FOT list? I may be in support of this if they left the specs for the car the same as they are in EP. The March Fastrack News has nothing on this, so it must still be tabled. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOPagXAWzQZGt5ZwzcmDbY7 dXPAoEO8iPJkfPG4fZBXRDE8Wp8lC/ From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Feb 26 01:24:43 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:24:43 -0000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: In the UK, I sent both my boys on a specialist driving course, based on the advanced police driving course used by 'the Met' in London. It included: 1. Driving on motorways (freeways) at the 70mph limit in the rush hour. Prior to the test, learner drivers aren't allowed on motorways at all. Motorway driving was a regular feature of the course as they needed variable weather and traffic conditions 2. Then there was the skid pan. A specially created driving centre with one whole day spent learning about skid occurence and prevention plus a further day in a specially adapted car with bald tyres on a wet and greasy surface. 3. Then additional classroom work on driving in fog and snow, putting what you'd learned into practise in a small simulator. The course lasted ten days and cost a fortune but it was probably the best investment I could have made in both my sons at a time when passing your driving test meant to many of my day - and later, that "you knew it all." IMHO, this sort of post-test instruction should be mandatory - but of course, governments usually have better ideas. Jonmac From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 26 05:47:46 2009 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <272445.57663.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My 17 year old son has been around racing all his life and is fully aware of what to do and what not to do. The hard part for his is just getting seat time driving around the local area, highway trips, etc. The wife and I try to let him drive when ever he needs to go somewhere or will be in the car with us. Just remember that they learn from example. I got on Andrew's case on day for driving a bit to aggressively to which he replied "you drive like this!". And after a bit of thought and really watching what he was doing, I had to agree. He was straight line late braking and picking up the apexes. So what could I say but "be careful and aware of what is around you". I still feel a bit nervous with him, but I think that is the Father in me knowing what can happen with the other goofys on the road. I am sure that strapped in next to him on a track I would be talking him through it all and we both would be having the time of our lives. Thumbs up Steve --- On Wed, 2/25/09, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: From: alfetta95 at optonline.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:23 PM Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 26 06:26:31 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 43 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. " Skip Barber has (A little expensive, but who knows what it may save http://www.skipbarber.com/driving_school/mazda/new_driver.aspx ) a young driver training course at Limerock, I've seen it running in the infield while I was out for practice days. They were working on the skid pad, follow the driver exercises and a nice one on car control. They have a few lanes set up with cones and a set of stop lights, they would change the available lanes, via the stop lights and the drivers had to react. Sometimes they would close all 3 lanes and they practiced panic stops. All of this was done with Skippy's cars, in the infield circuit, nothing on the actual track. This is driver skill training, not competition driving. They already think they're immortal and since they passed the license test know everything about driving. This seemed to open their eyes up a little from the parents I talked to at the course. For my own kids early training started with our methanol Go Kart on the local track and moved to skid control in the snow behind the closed Mall. Lots of time behind the wheel, both during the permit sessions and after they got their licences, nothing beats time on the road., mike G. Michael Harmuth From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Feb 26 09:02:43 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 head & manifold porting Message-ID: <1405962915.631921235664163853.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT Ibm now working on my 2nd generation TR-4 race motor and I am in the process of further refining my port work. On the first build I did little more than match the ports from the head to the manifold, clean up some casting and knife edge the bridge where the intake splits. Upon closer examination of my previous work I noticed that by just matching up the ports I have opened up the intake ports at the head/manifold to 1-5/8b. Theoretically this would cause a bit of a stall in the flow as the intake runners are less than 1.5b and the port up to the valve is less than 1.5b, i.e. a fat spot midway to the valve. I am currently using a 1.5b valve to help me size the port in the head. Theoretically the largest part of the intake tract should be at the carb/intake joint and tapering down to the valve size of 1.5b to get max velocity of the fuel air mix. In order to do that I would need to open up the intake runners quite a bit and there isnbt a whole lot of material in the walls of the intake runners. At this point I can fit a 1.5b valve in the head port from the intake side almost down to the valve guide which I have taken down near flush with the port wall. Ibm running Mikuni HSR 45bs so flow from the carbs is the least of my troubles. Ibm curious as to how much can you or should you open up the intake runners. The exhaust side is a bit of a mystery as well with rectangular ports. Any advice in maximizing the flow/velocity on both sides would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Gray RMVR From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 26 09:30:37 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:30:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 to FP/HP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe, you'll be in HP now? I'm screwed mike 63 Spitfire I was just reading the SCCA's February Fastrack News and noticed that someone has proposed moving TR3's from EP to FP. Here is what was posted "FP  Move the Triumph TR 2/3/4 to FP/HP (Blust). Tabled for further research. " Is the "Blust" that requested this on the FOT list? I may be in support of this if they left the specs for the car the same as they are in EP. The March Fastrack News has nothing on this, so it must still be tabled. Joe (B) From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Feb 26 09:46:44 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Part needed Message-ID: <20090226164708.28458187661@autox.team.net> I need a steering wheel hub adapter for my Moto-Lita steering wheel for a TR6 project I am working on. I know I can purchase a new one from Moss etc. but I was wondering if an FOT member might have one at a lesser price. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 40639 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 27 07:46:50 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:46:50 EST Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher support to FOT and (3) 3XL DENIM SHIRTS AVAILABLE Message-ID: FOT, Ted is preparing to send monies to the FOT based on sales at Watkins Glen. FOT General Fund Motorsports Ministries In uncle jack's name Mark Bradakis In support of the FOT List activities. We thank Ted for his support.......Ted also has THREE 3XL DENIM SHIRTS LEFT FROM WATKINS GLEN and is looking for a home for these. It would be nice if he didnt get stuck with this overstock of inventory. Joe A From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 27 08:24:11 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:24:11 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination Message-ID: FoT, It is my pleasure to introduce...... Mitch Meisler is among that smaller fraternity of TR250 owners. We would use another one of those members. Mitch may have some questions in the future regarding performance improvements on his TR250 and may be able add some support, as well. Please welcome Mitch to the FOT with a second. It is his option to introduce himself with a little background....as he wishes. Joe A From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 08:56:55 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <379612.2236.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 2nd --- On Fri, 2/27/09, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Mitchtr25068 at aol.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 9:24 AM FoT, It is my pleasure to introduce...... Mitch Meisler is among that smaller fraternity of TR250 owners. We would use another one of those members. Mitch may have some questions in the future regarding performance improvements on his TR250 and may be able add some support, as well. Please welcome Mitch to the FOT with a second. It is his option to introduce himself with a little background....as he wishes. Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 27 09:00:49 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:00:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mitch Welcome! Tell us more about yourself and your car. Consider this a second or third, depending on your perspective. 6 cylinder Triumphs are "way kool". rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LOddTR at aol.com Fri Feb 27 10:40:59 2009 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:40:59 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: On March 10th, Triumph racers from near and far will descend on Virginia International Raceway to celebrate Martha McDougal's many years of service at the Triumph Works.This third annual event is THE focus event for the Triumph Ghetto for 2009. In addition to the massive track time that is available to the VDCA "Wild Hare Run" participants, the Ghetto will offer a Friday Feed with Rob Deanes' Famous Fish-Fry, accompanied by The Dean of Triumph's famous hush-puppies and baked beans. Landlubbers will enjoy Don's scrumptious Hot Dogs and Bubba's burgers, or maybe do a Surf 'n Turf. On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual Martha McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and Mark Wheatley as previous awardees. So, mark your calendar, shake off the cob webs and get your entry in. Martha McDougal Rides Again! Here is a link to the entry form: _http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf) Don Marshall Dean Tetterton Rob Deanes Leo Oddi **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 27 12:25:02 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:25:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: In a message dated 02/27/2009 11:42:13 AM Central Standard Time, LOddTR at aol.com writes: > On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual > Martha > McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes > the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and > Mark Wheatley as previous awardees. > Good Luck to this year's awardee. They don't come any better than Dennis and Mark. Rough acts to follow. Bill Dentinger ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Feb 27 14:27:17 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph ASPER? Message-ID: http://www.racingjunk.com/category/89/Sports_Racer/post/1476086/1959-Triumph -Asper-TR-raced-with-Pete-Brock.html [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 19:26:54 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 Message-ID: Has anybody run a set of 15 x 8 wheels on their big TR? If so what offset worked for you? Thanks, Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 19:59:17 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:59:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: <26184003.1235789957894.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You guys are just too cool! I can only wish that my imagination were that good! My sadly crushed TR3 is nearly ready to go again and will hopefully make an appearance at the Sebring 12 hr support event in March. I have a driver committed for the SandyBeach for VIR and that sort of dooms me to bringing the FV for me to drive. Too bad, I'd have been tickled to campaign for Glen to be the nominated wrench given what he had to do go bring it back. For those of you that saw it at VIR last year, it would mean something to know that we bought NO NEW SHEETMETAL. It was all fixed with hammer,dolly and torch. Oh yea, Glen hates Bondo as well. See you there, Mike -----Original Message----- >From: LOddTR at aol.com >Sent: Feb 27, 2009 12:40 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net, FDanovitz at aol.com, schnabel at starband.net, slaterptrs at bellsouth.net, rs58a6 at bellsouth.net >Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! > >On March 10th, Triumph racers from near and far will descend on Virginia >International Raceway to celebrate Martha McDougal's many years of service at >the Triumph Works.This third annual event is THE focus event for the Triumph >Ghetto for 2009. > >In addition to the massive track time that is available to the VDCA "Wild >Hare Run" participants, the Ghetto will offer a Friday Feed with Rob Deanes' >Famous Fish-Fry, accompanied by The Dean of Triumph's famous hush-puppies and >baked beans. Landlubbers will enjoy Don's scrumptious Hot Dogs and Bubba's >burgers, or maybe do a Surf 'n Turf. > >On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual Martha >McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes >the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and Mark >Wheatley as previous awardees. > >So, mark your calendar, shake off the cob webs and get your entry in. Martha >McDougal Rides Again! > >Here is a link to the entry form: >_http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf) > >Don Marshall >Dean Tetterton >Rob Deanes >Leo Oddi >**************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your >neighborhood today. >(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Fri Feb 27 22:19:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A8C976.4000409@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12 mjb. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 08:22:12 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:22:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Speaking of porting and Polishing??? Message-ID: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> In reading the competition preparation manual they mention polishing intake manifolds. I thought I read or was told when building a V8 years ago that polishing is no longer recommended because fuel condenses on the manifold surface with laminar flow. A slight texture e.g. minor grind or casting marks keeps a turbulant flow which keeps fuel atomized. I wonder also if this is only for aluminum manifolds e.g. heat loss and if it extends inside the head. thoughts??? I am currently doing some port matching and casting removal on both the head and TR3 manifold. Can't wait for spring - more snow in upstate NY - california dream'n... M BTW I don't need a maui weather update Bill... ;o) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 28 09:13:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:13:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Speaking of porting and Polishing??? In-Reply-To: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: Cold here, very cold. And dreary as hell. On Feb 28, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > In reading the competition preparation manual they mention polishing > intake > manifolds. I thought I read or was told when building a V8 years ago > that > polishing is no longer recommended because fuel condenses on the > manifold > surface with laminar flow. A slight texture e.g. minor grind or > casting marks > keeps a turbulant flow which keeps fuel atomized. I wonder also if > this is > only for aluminum manifolds e.g. heat loss and if it extends inside > the head. > thoughts??? > > I am currently doing some port matching and casting removal on both > the head > and TR3 manifold. > > Can't wait for spring - more snow in upstate NY - california > dream'n... > > M > > BTW I don't need a maui weather update Bill... ;o) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Feb 28 09:31:12 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 69 years young Message-ID: Best birthday regards to Mario Andretti..! K. Lynch From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Feb 28 09:54:30 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:54:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car for sale Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EC5D@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I talked with JK Jackson yesterday, he told me Bill Forbes TR4 racecar is for sale. Bill was JK's racing buddy, he passed away December 2007. Bill was a very talented machinist, and was responsible for making lots of the trick stuff he and JK devised over the years. I have to believe Bill's car is a trick item. JK got a call from Bill's family, apparently the car needs a new home. I have no idea what the family is asking. The car is a TR4 tub on a TR4A-IRS chassis. All steel panels. Bill hillclimbed the car, so the car has an extensive roll cage. The car ran 3 events in 2007. Bill was faster than JK in 2 of the 3 events, that says something. The car last ran in December 2007. It has a JK OD gearbox, a welded 4.10 rear, a set of 15X7 Minilites with race tires, another set of 7 inch wheels, tons of spares, etc. As my slant on this obsession is Vintage road racing, I asked a few questions and it seems to me to be Vintage legal one may need to rework the cage (not many halo cages where I race) and either remove the slight fender flares or BS you way through tech with clubs that don't like flares. (Sorry Jack) Oh yeah, and scare up some 6" wide wheels. Please direct any interest to JK at 850.575.9372. That is his shop number, he's usually there 9-5, M-F. No answering machine, and no, JK does not do email... Cheers From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 28 09:59:14 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:59:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hardware Message-ID: I have had an inquiry about what most are using for the main cap fasteners of the TR-4 engine. Studs and nuts? Any help here? His inquiry to ARP has gone unanswered. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 08:59:39 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:59:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing Message-ID: <20090228170442.ABC681878E1@autox.team.net> In one of uncle jack's minor hospital stays, to stave off boredom he wrote up a "brain dump" on building a wet sleeve Triumph TR motor. It was intended for sharing purposes, so I'll do just that. I'll post it on my website in a bit, but here's the Head section (hopefully I don't hit the message size limit): Also, be very careful with the whole "port matching" deal - it's very easy to do more harm than good. Jack and the flowbench found a zillion things that obviously would improve flow that actually hurt flow instead. Unfortunately, I don't know all of the tricks. Having a little step in there is better than having the intake manifold suddenly go to a larger diameter. You cannot go more than 7 degrees from a "straight tube" or the flow separates from the sides and you generate turbulence that actually reduces the effective diameter of the tube. My head flows almost as good as the best one Jack did, and the intake ports are 1 9/16" at the outer face and I run stock diameter valves. - Tony Drews Head 1. Porting the head. I will tell you what to do to get about 80% of the flow improvement that a professional head flower (crazy term) will get. 2. Intake Size the ports per Kass book, 1-1/2 all the way from the manifold face to the valve guide. Take most of the metal off of the short side. Remove the bump that is just inside the manifold face in the port, adjacent to the head bolt hole. Make the short side radius just under the valve seat as smooth and consistent a radius as possible. Leave the port just under the valve seat a little smaller than the valve seat, so that when the machine shop puts in the three angle competition valve seat, you get the full effect of the velocity-inducing three angle seat. 3. Exhaust - with a long shank carbide cutter, remove the big bump in the floor of the bowl where the guide comes through. When viewed from above, if you had x-ray vision, you would see that the path of the port is S-shaped, Remove metal from the inside of the S closest to the valve. Removing more does not do much for flow. 4. Here are the instructions to the machine shop: A. Clean the head thoroughly. Replace the rear freeze plug. B. If they accidentally put a head with aluminum pushrod tubes in a caustic tank, the tubes will disappear. Do not despair. It is really easy to replace them with > aluminum tubing C. The aluminum plug on the top of the head may leak. It is in a threaded hole, and after removing, you can tap it to NPT and put a pipe plug in it. D. Tell them how much to mill. If they are a good shop, you can just tell them the ccs you want in a combustion chamber and they can mill to that. It is risky to take off more than .165 from the stock head thickness of 3.xxx. E. Install guides if you are using the bronze guides, they MUST have .004 stem clearance. The shops take some convincing, but if clearance is less in these old engines, the heat will cause the guide to shrink and the valve to stick, perhaps destroying the entire engine. F. When you get the head back, put a small bead of JB Weld around the edge of the rear freeze plug. Also chamfer the edge of the combustion chamber to remove the hot spot corner created by the milling operation. G. Tell the machine shop the amount of lift of the valves, and have them machine the valve guide accordingly. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 10:09:27 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:09:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) Message-ID: <20090228171001.B067918763F@autox.team.net> I sent a post with some "uncle jack" advice on porting that didn't make it through yet - probably too long. In that post, I promised that I'd put this information along with the rest of uncle jack's engine building tips on my website. Jack wrote this up in one of his brief hospital stays to stave off boredom. He fully intended this to be shared - it's basically a brain dump of many years of engine building experience. I'm still formatting it, and will have to leave in a little bit (so the fully formatted version will be up later today) but the content is all there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm - Tony Drews From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:11:56 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness Message-ID: <000601c999c7$a966d480$6401a8c0@HP> Thanks the consensus is 3.325 to 3.330 Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:17:05 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <000601c999c8$6126c710$6401a8c0@HP> two things come to mind as I consider my 3 kids: Autocross - low consequence, lots of fun, moderate stress and speeds comensurate with real driving. The last thing I want for my youngest in particular is for him to get comfortable at 100mph. Second - I agree with Click and Clack - Volvo Volvo Volvo - they suggest an old 240, I would hold out for an airbag... Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:37:41 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:37:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) Message-ID: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Fantastic - thanks I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or leave a slight grind finish... Cheers, M From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 28 10:42:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:42:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <17997274-0F08-4ABF-A6A6-48390FFA4405@bnj.com> You can polish the ports if you like, but it doesn't add a thing. You'll see no difference on a flow bench. On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Fantastic - thanks > > I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or > leave a slight > grind finish... > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 10:50:18 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:50:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <20090228175052.7C69F18763F@autox.team.net> Don't bother polishing. My understanding is that the polishing does more for the ego of the person receiving the polished part than it does for actual flow. - Tony At 11:37 AM 2/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Fantastic - thanks > >I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or leave a slight >grind finish... > >Cheers, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Feb 28 11:15:55 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:15:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228171001.B067918763F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> > Jack wrote this up in one of his brief hospital stays to > stave off boredom. He fully intended this to be shared - > it's basically a brain dump of many years of engine building > experience. WOW, what a gold mine! Thanks, Tony! Randall - still kicking myself for not having uncle jack do a head for me From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Feb 28 13:10:02 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... Terry Stetler From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Feb 28 13:21:04 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:21:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hardware References: Message-ID: We use top quality Grade 8 cap screws (bolts) after bottom tapping all of the bolt holes. Curtiss Industries makes very good bolts. ARP also has suitable 12 point 1/2" uss cap screws, I do not have the part number handy at the moment. I like to use Metric 12 mm "wave washers" under the heads of the bolts. These "wave washers" which are German "Din" spec lock washers are hard and smooth, so they help give consistent & uniform torque figures to secure the main caps. 90 lbs. ft. of torque with motor oil as lub is plenty. We have never had a problem using these parts. Greg Solow From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 15:10:32 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the top of a piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center punch). The idea, as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in the combustion chamber. - Tony At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? > >Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the >entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf >ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black >arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... > >Terry Stetler >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 15:17:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:17:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> Actually it was "turbulence" they were after, not "swirl". - Tony At 04:10 PM 2/28/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the >top of a piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center >punch). The idea, as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in >the combustion chamber. > >- Tony > >At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >>Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? >> >>Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the >>entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf >>ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black >>arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... >> >>Terry Stetler >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 28 15:28:55 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:28:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall><20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: With the amount of squish area and the high compression used in our racing engines I don't think that more turbulence is required for better combustion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) > Actually it was "turbulence" they were after, not "swirl". > > - Tony > > At 04:10 PM 2/28/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >>One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the top of a >>piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center punch). The idea, >>as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in the combustion chamber. >> >>- Tony >> >>At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >>>Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? >>> >>>Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along >>>the >>>entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a >>>golf >>>ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the >>>black >>>arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... >>> >>>Terry Stetler >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Feb 28 18:51:13 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:51:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Hardware Message-ID: Just ordered a set from ARP. Actually two, one for a friend. They are still recommending bolts rather than studs & nuts. I have all the deminision but am in California at the Vintage Motorsport Council Mtg and won't be back when the info is until Monday. If you still need it just let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 63 TR 4 #69 **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Feb 28 20:39:04 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O.T.: Paul "The Rest of the Story" Harvey, Dead at 90 Message-ID: <49AA0358.3080500@greenheart.com> Another great one gone. --Justin http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090301/ap_on_en_ot/obit_harvey From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 1 00:01:11 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:01:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member Message-ID: I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car came out of Georgia several years back. I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will definitely benefit from the collected wisdom of our august body. His email address is: mpendy at dishmail.net Thanks guys! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Sun Feb 1 03:11:37 2009 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:11:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member Message-ID: <20090201041137.wo7fzsoggis8o840@secure.uwalumni.com> I'll happily second Greg's nomination of Mark Pendergrass. Any friend of Greg is a Friend of Triumph. Jim Hill [Whose first race at Riverside was in a '63 TR4] ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination for new member > I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. > > Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car > came out of Georgia several years back. > I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will > definitely benefit > from the collected wisdom of our august body. > > His email address is: > > mpendy at dishmail.net > > Thanks guys! > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 1 15:40:28 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:40:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Message-ID: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 1 14:46:19 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <20090201214618.NWDI5582.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning > up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Been awhile since I've had one apart, but the SPC seems to show 5/16 NF bolts in those holes. Randall From westerneagleracing at att.net Sun Feb 1 15:13:59 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:13:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <020120092213.16149.49861EA7000D0BAC00003F1522230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: Cc: fot at autox.team.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for new member Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:11:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020120092211.12030.49861E100005B29600002EFE22230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D at att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: cmoubGF3QGF0dC5uZXQ= X-Remote-Addr: 97.118.105.36 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I third the nomination. We need more TR4 racers. Hope you run the Portland Historics in July. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from : -------------- > I ran across Mark Pendergrass here in Oregon today. > > Mark has a `63 TR4 race car that he has run a number of times at PIR. The car > came out of Georgia several years back. > I think Mark would make a great member for the FOT and will definitely benefit > from the collected wisdom of our august body. > > His email address is: > > mpendy at dishmail.net > > Thanks guys! > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Feb 2 08:31:47 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <8CB53627EBD0171-C0C-459@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Should be 5/16 - 24? UNF Bob T. -----Original Message----- From: Greg & Alison Blake To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 5:40 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Feb 2 20:33:00 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:33:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. Thanks, Greg Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Feb 2 20:34:07 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:34:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: The threads in thermostat housing are British Pipe Threads. the threads are not tapered, they are parallel threads. USP 3/8 threads are tapered threads. The sending unit seals by the threads pushing the sending unit against a seat down at the bottom of the treads. The threads themselves do not do the sealing as USP threads do. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last > chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. > > I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter > part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the > treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. > > Thanks, > > Greg > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. 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(http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Feb 2 22:48:09 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:48:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Greg: I ran into this on my TR6. The difference between the British 3/8 pipe and 3/8 American Standard Pipe is very small. 1 thread per inch and 0,010 inch diameter. I just took a 3/8 NPT tap and tapped the threads in the housing to American Standard tapered pipe threads. Very easy, Now the Auto Meter adapter screws right into the housing. Before that I brazed an Auto Meter adapter to an original temp fitting; not pretty but worked. I think the part number is 1074-3/8 NPT for the adapter. By the way, the threads on the other end of the adapter where the temp bulb screws in are 5/8 x 11. Stewart Warner uses that thread size too. Also, the BPT isn't tapered and used a washer (gasket) to seal it. The NPT is tapered and doesn't need the gasket. Pipe dope or teflon tape works to help seal and aid in removal of the NPT fittings. Pegasus has a diagram in their catalog comparing thread sizes, including AN. If you need a 3/8 NTP tap, let me know; I probably have several. Hope this made sense. I spent 2 1/2 hours this morning shoveling the 3 feet of snow off my garage roof and I'm tired. (Tired, tired of playing the game, ain't it a fricking shame, I'm tired.) Blazing Saddles, 1974, Madeline Khan's character. Great satire. But I digress. I need some sleep. Good luck, Bill---- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > Thanks all, they are 5/16 x 18. It had been awhile since they were last > chased, if ever, it was a very tight fit, which is why I asked. > > I've got another thread question. I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. I think it is a 3/8" NPT and if so I think I need Auto Meter > part number 2263 to screw in there. Can anyone confirm? > > Thanks, > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Greg & Alison Blake > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:40 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads > > Stupid question, but what are these threads? I was cleaning up all the > treads on my block and the 1/4x20 tap seems slightly small. > > Thanks, > > Greg > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 2 22:57:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:57:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> <000a01c985c2$ff3bd270$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: I know I'm a terrible person, but i always just tap these things out to the next pipe tap size. the notion of a non-tapered pipe thread in cast iron just doesn't make that much sense to me. Of course I once converted a 1958 BSA A-10 to metric, but that's a different story. I bet whoever has that bike today wonders WTF. On Feb 2, 2009, at 7:48 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi Greg: I ran into this on my TR6. > The difference between the British 3/8 pipe and 3/8 American > Standard Pipe > is very small. 1 thread per inch and 0,010 inch diameter. > I just took a 3/8 NPT tap and tapped the threads in the housing to > American Standard tapered pipe threads. Very easy, Now the Auto Meter > adapter screws right into the housing. Before that I brazed an Auto > Meter > adapter to an original temp fitting; not pretty but worked. > I think the part number is 1074-3/8 NPT for the adapter. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 3 14:08:30 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:08:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 timing cover bolt threads In-Reply-To: <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c984be$15ed0f80$6401a8c0@blake1> <000001c985b0$1d586380$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <001901c98643$913db140$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > I am using a mechanical Auto Meter > water temperature gauge and need to know what those threads are in the > thermostat housing where the stock temperature bulb (sending unit TR4) > screws in. You might want to test fit your gauge, Greg. As I recall, the TR4 housing will accept the original TR3 mechanical gauge, and my Sun mechanical temp gauge fits into a TR3 housing perfectly. Randall From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 3 19:41:09 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090203214109.5XPMU.4366217.root@mp17> Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear synchronizer was destroyed too. Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like to be on top end. Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll (yes I'm from Texas) posted. Bobby Whitehead #53 Triumph GT6 CVAR From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Feb 3 20:42:02 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:42:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics Message-ID: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> knowing a pawnbroker in these economic times may be very valuable... where are you at? i am coming down to texas in a few days. whats the policy on pawning well used TRIUMPH parts? >Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear synchronizer was destroyed too. >Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. >By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like to be on top end. >Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... >I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll (yes I'm from Texas) posted. > >Bobby Whitehead >#53 Triumph GT6 CVAR >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Feb 3 20:51:51 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would be interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable price range. And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. Madeline Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished before April Fools day. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 3 21:07:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:07:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> you ain't seen Nothin' yet....! Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guinan" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would > be > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable > price range. > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. > Madeline > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished > before > April Fools day. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 4 00:08:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:08:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Quantumechanics In-Reply-To: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <58AF47CF.5FC0F70D.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <3AF143FC-025E-46AA-9A4B-60FF69AA3199@bnj.com> I'm very fond of Pawnbrokers, I got my two BSA goldstars from a pawnbroker. On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:42 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > knowing a pawnbroker in these economic times may be very valuable... > > where are you at? i am coming down to texas in a few days. whats the > policy on pawning well used TRIUMPH parts? > > > >> Just received my transmission back from John @ Quantum Mechanics >> for my race GT6. Last year, I blew the front part of the clutch @ >> TWS @ speed... no more shifting. I was picking up some brass >> shavings in the gear oil on the last few events. Forth gear >> synchronizer was destroyed too. >> Not being able to get much top end, and CVAR wanting Triumph only >> components, John suggested and installed the "J" type overdrive on >> my transmission... wow... pretty big overdrive unit. >> By the way, John rebuilt my transmission , again, for free, the >> input shaft bearing was enlarged, again, and I believe other work >> was done to the output shaft and bearings. John set me up with a >> 25% reduction on the J type, this should put me where I would like >> to be on top end. >> Install starts tomorrow as I've been working my store for too many >> days ( I own a pawnshop)... sorry folks, a pawnbroker amongst the >> group... hope I didn't scare anybody with that bombshell... >> I know I have to shorten the driveshaft again and I'm on a timeline >> as our first event with CVAR is February 20... I'll keep ya'll >> (yes I'm from Texas) posted. >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> #53 Triumph GT6 CVAR >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 06:28:46 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:28:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> Message-ID: <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> I saw some Moon Shots at the Glen a few decades ago but I don't think they had anything to do with a car! Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Joe Guinan" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > you ain't seen Nothin' yet....! > Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The > Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Guinan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM > Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 > > > > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I don't > > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so anything > > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away would > > be > > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his acceptable > > price range. > > > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter? For > > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been out of > > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much my > > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer. > > Madeline > > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last week. > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished > > before > > April Fools day. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Feb 4 08:08:05 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3 In-Reply-To: <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <001501c9867b$e9c65b40$0a02a8c0@Guinan> <9D0B2A49D6174C46BDB1D7D5D1292544@Bud> <009e01c986cc$826aaf90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: Call Rob Noyes Smith in Albuquerque 505-821-4369. He is/was trying to sell my old three. If he hasn't already sold it.......Henry Morrison> From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net> To: budscars at comcast.net; joeg at neb.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:28:46 -0500> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> > I saw some Moon Shots at the Glen a few decades ago but I don't think they> had anything to do with a car!> Bill----- Original Message -----> From: "RACER BUD" > To: "Joe Guinan" ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:07 PM> Subject: Re: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> > > > you ain't seen Nothin' yet....!> > Racer Bud..spitfire # 21....still waiting to be the 1st Triumph 'On The> > Moon'..I KNOW WE CAN DO IT!!> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Joe Guinan" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:51 PM> > Subject: [Fot] Friend looking for a TR3> >> >> > > "Street" TR3 wanted in Nebraska - I think he said 1958 or 1959. I> don't> > > know why those particular years - and I could be mistaken - so> anything> > > similar in decent or restorable shape that isn't half a world away> would> > > be> > > interesting to hear about. NFI on my part. I don't know his> acceptable> > > price range.> > >> > > And is it just me - or do you people just get funnier in the winter?> For> > > some reason, the Spitfire lists always get crabby when they've been> out of> > > the saddle for this long. You guys have been making me laugh so much> my> > > wife thinks something else is going on while I'm on the computer.> > > Madeline> > > Kahn lyrics today, fat mid-westerners and Spitfire hat-flaps last> week.> > >> > > Joe Guinan> > > Fremont, NE> > > Too many projects - but the 1147 Spit race engine is getting finished> > > before> > > April Fools day.> > > _______________________________________________> > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > >> > > http://www.fot-racing.com> > >> > > Fot mailing list> > > Fot at autox.team.net> > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > http://www.fot-racing.com> >> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Feb 4 14:38:18 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:38:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the hardware that was used. It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find any in that size. Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Feb 4 15:25:49 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 header Message-ID: <833B5ACC-DCC7-427C-90AF-BECE49352B6D@earthlink.net> Hello All, Anybody got a TR3/4 header they want to part with? I learned my lesson with "heat tape" by burning a perfectly good/new exhaust header up in two seasons using the stuff... great for the drag racers but no good for extended running in my experience. Too cheap to buy a new one. The other idea is to build one using the very nice - thick and still good manifold flange I have. Question: If I were to build one, what are the real-world advantages of 4 into 1 vs. 4 into 2 into 1 ? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 4 15:27:15 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:27:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: When I did it, I drilled out the hole and tapped it for an AN fitting directly. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit > engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to > the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble > locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to > be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation > Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the > hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find > any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the > fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Feb 4 15:35:29 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: <1E99F98C-F221-4BF5-A83C-7401CB3D2146@comcast.net> All the block fittings are tapered pipe thread, not straight thread, don''t remember the size. I did this on a GT6 motor - got all the fittings and hose from Pegasus Auto Racing - if you do not have their catalogue, get one, as it is a useful reference tool even if you get stuff somewhere else. they have every combination of fitting sizes, shapes and threads you can possibly need. I used steel fittings in the block, and made up my own AN lines with steel fittings at the block end and aluminum where they connected to the aluminum "manifold" (piece of bar stock, drilled and tapped). I'm assuming you have made up AN lines before, but if not, get a cheap cut-off/chop saw from Harbor Freight etc. Hacksaws just fray the lines too much. On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my > 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment > and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine > block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having > trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. > They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph > Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is > not listed is the hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I > cannot find any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source > the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 4 15:47:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my engine. Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is the hardware that was used. It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot find any in that size. Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Glenn Franco 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Feb 4 16:47:16 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:47:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <498A2904.6050306@141.com> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. Brad Barr, Scott wrote: > I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be > big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings > will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them > out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from > Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in > the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my > engine. > > Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would > be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN > adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line > at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Glenn Franco > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a > Spitfire > > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L > Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and > split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble > locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear > to be 5/16 fine thread. > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation > Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is > the hardware that was used. > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot > find any in that size. > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the > fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in Advance > Glenn Franco > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 17:05:47 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net> <1E99F98C-F221-4BF5-A83C-7401CB3D2146@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e01c98725$80180f90$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; for cutting braided lines, I got a stainless hose and cable cutter from Jegs for about $40. It works really well and can be carried in your toolbox. PN 555-80576. Comes in a larger size too for up to -24. Much better than a hacksaw and smaller than a cutoff saw. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Glenn Franco" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > All the block fittings are tapered pipe thread, not straight thread, > don''t remember the size. I did this on a GT6 motor - got all the > fittings and hose from Pegasus Auto Racing - if you do not have their > catalogue, get one, as it is a useful reference tool even if you get > stuff somewhere else. they have every combination of fitting sizes, > shapes and threads you can possibly need. I used steel fittings in > the block, and made up my own AN lines with steel fittings at the > block end and aluminum where they connected to the aluminum > "manifold" (piece of bar stock, drilled and tapped). I'm assuming > you have made up AN lines before, but if not, get a cheap cut-off/chop > saw from Harbor Freight etc. Hacksaws just fray the lines too much. > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > > > I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my > > 1.3L Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment > > and split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine > > block. > > The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having > > trouble locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. > > They appear to be 5/16 fine thread. > > I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph > > Preparation Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is > > not listed is the hardware that was used. > > It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I > > cannot find any in that size. > > Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source > > the fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance > > Glenn Franco > > 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 4 18:05:06 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:05:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <498A2904.6050306@141.com> Message-ID: Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have > T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way > into the oil gallery passages. > > Brad > > > Barr, Scott wrote: >> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be >> big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings >> will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them >> out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from >> Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in >> the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my >> engine. >> >> Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would >> be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN >> adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line >> at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a >> Spitfire >> >> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L >> Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and >> split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. >> The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble >> locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear >> to be 5/16 fine thread. >> I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation >> Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is >> the hardware that was used. >> It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot >> find any in that size. >> Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the >> fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn Franco >> 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Feb 4 19:20:50 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:20:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <815214.5580.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rocky: With your setup, when the flow is out of the Accusump where does it flow to? Thanks - Ed --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Rocky Entriken wrote: From: Rocky Entriken Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 7:05 PM Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have > T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way > into the oil gallery passages. > > Brad > > > Barr, Scott wrote: >> I've used a 1/8th NPT fitting there. I don't know whether that will be >> big enough for what you want to do - whether 3 or 4 1/8th NPT fittings >> will actually flow the amount of oil you want. But you could drill them >> out and tap them for either 1/8th or 1/4NPT and buy the adapters from >> Pegasus to fit your AN fittings. I actually have a 3/8NPT fitting in >> the center main gallery plug where my Accusump is plumbed into my >> engine. >> >> Check Pegasus - your male NPT pipe to male AN adaptor part numbers would >> be 3250-02-06 (1/8NPT to 6AN adapter) or 3250-04-06 (1/4NPT to 6AN >> adapter). (Page 83 of the current catalog) Or just call the tech line >> at Pegasus (or similar) and they'll tell you what you need. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Franco >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:38 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a >> Spitfire >> >> I'm in the process of installing a 3 quart Canton Accusump on my 1.3L >> Spit engine. I'm planning to run 6 an to the engine compartment and >> split off to the main gallery plugs on the side of the engine block. >> The early 1.3L has three plugs and the later has 4. I'm having trouble >> locating a fitting that will fit into the gallery openings. They appear >> to be 5/16 fine thread. >> I've reviewed the write up on page 131-2 in Kas's Triumph Preparation >> Handbook that shows Steve Smith's installation. What is not listed is >> the hardware that was used. >> It looks like a flow bolt and banjo fitting could be used but I cannot >> find any in that size. >> Is anyone familiar with this setup and if so where did you source the >> fittings that would screw into the gallery plug holes? >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thanks in Advance >> Glenn Franco >> 72 Spit Race Car and various other Triumphs >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Feb 4 19:35:46 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool Message-ID: <156555.81869.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group, I know this is not related to Triumph's in any form or fashion, but I also know that many in this group are like me (no, not a moron) also pilots or have a love for aircraft. Found this cool link and thought I'd share it. Okay; on this list, who has more gauges in their Triumph? www.uscockpits.com -Ed- From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 4 22:50:01 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:50:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <498A0ACA.2090901@charter.net><3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401050D87@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <498A2904.6050306@141.com> Message-ID: <3099D31A-2056-4DB7-B277-58000BF12588@bnj.com> That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into > the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right > there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of > the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the > Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to > the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we >> have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter >> all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Feb 5 07:44:09 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:44:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 data base Message-ID: Guys, I have been working behind the scenes here to organize this Group 44 tribute event and it has come together very well. I now have a spreadsheet with what I think is almost all the Group 44 cars and all the people associated with Group 44. I am still trying to figure out if there were two Group 44 Midgets and who has the late Group 44 GT6. I think it is (or at least) was James Dolan. Does anyone know this car or this person? Although I found pieces of Tullius' original TR3 and I heard that one of the TR4s was hillclimbing in PA, I am still looking for some of the early cars. At this point, my GT6+ looks to be the earliest Group 44 car known. Anybody have more details. The GT6 is now pretty much done and will be racing at The Mitty. Does anyone who has not contacted me already have any further info knowledge or pics of Group 44 cars? Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Thu Feb 5 08:19:01 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:19:01 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil gall ey port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent of 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as regulating the oil pressure. Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this myself, and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- unless you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. Even then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Feb 5 08:30:26 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:30:26 EST Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event Message-ID: I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. Most of the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars commited. Joe Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an eastcoast FOT event for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group steward. Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. We also have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT members to autocross. We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 team. Most of the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed Diehl, Tony Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve Knoll, Lanky Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to attend. We will have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at each table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation with old footage from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our emcee. After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and the team members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, that had so much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. Judging by some of the stories I have already heard from these team members, it should also be very entertaining. We will also have at least a dozen Group 44 cars on display next to the Chalet. This is a semi-private party for original team members and current car owners. It will be held at Road Atlanta's Chalet and will begin at 6:00pm with beer, wine and soft drinks provided. (probably have a cash bar as well). We have room for about 100 additional people and I wanted to offer this to FOT members, Classic Motorsports subscribers and Jaguar and MG club members first. Tickets will most likely sell out in just a few days, so please act fast if you want to be part of this special evening. The price per ticket is $45 per person and does not include track ticket for the weekend. Tickets for this dinner are available at our website. GRMSpeedfest.com. For the rest of the weekend, we will have autograph signing sessions with Bob Tullius and various team members at our tent. We will have a parade lap session and gala celebration of the Group 44 cars on the grid on Saturday and Bob Tullius, himself will take one lucky person for a ride around Road Atlanta in a Group 44 car (contest details on our website). We will stage the cars from newest to oldest and this should make quite a green and white spectacle that shouldnbt be missed by any Triumph, MG or Jaguar fan. >From there, Group 44 cars will run int there normal run groups. If there is enough interest by Triumph, MG and Jaguar racers, we will have groups and special races dedicated to those groups. HSR officals tell me it would take about 30 cars to warrant special run groups. If everyone comes, we can get this done. >From a spectator standpoint, this will be the biggest Mitty ever. Already Corvair, Formula Vee and other special interest race groups have pledged to attend the Mitty to race. There has also been more interest from clubs then ever before, as we are hosting a Mazdapalloza club group, the Spitfire Squadron and many, many British car clubs have pledged attendance. Mark your calendars, check for updates and VIP tickets on our site and we look forward to seeing everyone at The Mitty. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Feb 5 08:38:22 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like a spectacular event. One question. Why are the tickets to the Group 44 Dinner restricted to residents of the US? FOT is not a US only. Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: February 5, 2009 10:30 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net; debbie at grassrootsmotorsports.com; baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com; david at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. Most of the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars commited. Joe Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an eastcoast FOT event for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group steward. Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. We also have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT members to autocross. We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 team. Most of the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed Diehl, Tony Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve Knoll, Lanky Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to attend. We will have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at each table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation with old footage from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our emcee. After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and the team members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, that had so much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 5 08:43:54 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool In-Reply-To: <156555.81869.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <989063.29090.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WOW ... Ed, youre right about us nuts on the list, but I guess this reminded me of where I came from ... heres a link to what is going in the current cockpits we are building now ... just a tiny bit different ... http://www.gulfstream.com/products/g550/technology.htm see any difference, old to new ????? Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Wed, 2/4/09, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: [Fot] Really not LBC related, but really cool To: "FOT" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 8:35 PM Group, I know this is not related to Triumph's in any form or fashion, but I also know that many in this group are like me (no, not a moron) also pilots or have a love for aircraft. Found this cool link and thought I'd share it. Okay; on this list, who has more gauges in their Triumph? www.uscockpits.com -Ed- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mediehljr at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 09:34:29 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:34:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <3099D31A-2056-4DB7-B277-58000BF12588@bnj.com> Message-ID: <896213.71034.qm@web51903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Bill and all. I found that one important thing on this installation is to have a one way check valve in the system to prevent the oil from going two ways as it leaves the accusump and only flowing into the bearings. Put the valve on the cooler side of the "T". Cheers and stay warm. Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Babcock wrote: From: Bill Babcock Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:50 AM That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Feb 5 09:47:08 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:47:08 GMT Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: <200902050947665.SM08760@[166.70.182.40]> Ed, We use a check vavle in Susan's system as well.B It forces all the oil back into the oil galleries. Brad -----Original Message----- From: "Ed Diehl" Sent 2/5/2009 9:34:29 AM To: "Bill Babcock" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a SpitfireHi, Bill and all. I found that one important thing on this installation is to have a one way check valve in the system to prevent the oil from going two ways as it leaves the accusump and only flowing into the bearings. Put the valve on the cooler side of the "T". Cheers and stay warm. Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Babcock wrote: From: Bill Babcock Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: "Rocky Entriken" Cc: "Brad Kahler" , fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:50 AM That is certainly the normal and easiest way to connect an accusump, but not necessarily the best. Supplying oil directly to the oil galleries seems to have substantially improved the reliability and lifespan of my engines--it means my engines always have at least 50 or more pounds of pressure in the oil gallery--even at startup. Not only is the plumbing greatly simplified, but in measuring the gallery oil pressure on my TR3 engine I still saw great variation in pressure with RPM that you don't see with the accusump directly connected. I could come up with lots of scenarios that would cut oil pressure with an accusump connected to a remote filter or cooler line, but only one with a direct gallery connection. Bottom line, if you're going to go to the expense and added complication of using an accusump you should get the most value out of it. Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for me. I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter rupture or come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get the motor shut down. On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rocky Entriken wrote: > Same here, on my 1147 engine ... a simple double-male fitting into the oil filter adapter (on the side of the block) and a tee right there. The line is the one coming from the cooler and the stem of the tee is the line going to the Accusump so what goes into the Accusump is clean, cool oil. > > And then ... you screw that one in first, the short line reaching to the oil filter second. :-) > > --Rocky Entriken > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire > > >> On Susan's 1300 engine we have a remote oil filter adapter that we have T'eed into for the Accusump. This gives us a large diameter all the way into the oil gallery passages. >> >> Brad Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:06:31 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:06:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com > writes: > > << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that for > me. > I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter > rupture or > come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to get > the > motor shut down. >> > > I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. > This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil > gall > ey > port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent > of > 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as > regulating the oil pressure. > > Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this myself, > and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- > unless > you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. Even > then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. > ************** > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to > stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of oiling system front annotated.jpg] From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:13:03 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:13:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> Now that I think of this design, I have decided I do not like it -- if the Accusump fires, most of the oil will go to the oil filter return. Am going to directly plumb the Accusump to the large port on the galley [if the PI metering unit allows room]. Will then put the one way valve on the "T" from the oil cooler line so all the Accusmp oil goes to the galley [does this seem like a good idea?]. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Billb at bnj.com >> writes: >> >> << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that >> for me. >> I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter >> rupture or >> come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to >> get the >> motor shut down. >> >> >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. >> This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center oil >> gall >> ey >> port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent >> of >> 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as >> regulating the oil pressure. >> >> Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this >> myself, >> and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- >> unless >> you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. >> Even >> then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. >> ************** >> Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to >> stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 5 11:05:38 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:05:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902050913j17dee3adu7a2cc6a463d394a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <081AFD46-91DE-4333-BF91-AAC12ED72BE3@bnj.com> Sounds like a lot of stuff. An accusump serves three purposes--pre- lubricates the engine prior to starting, keeps oil pressure above some minimum, and provides pressure for shutdown in the event of a problem in the oil delivery system. It's not there to increase oil flow, you do that in other ways, either by raising pressure or by enlarging the oil passage that you want more flow from. As far as i can see on TR3/4 motors the only place we really need to worry about those three things is crank bearings--mains and rods. The rest of the stuff gets adequate oil for the most part and can get by on residual oil during an emergency. Our expensive crankshaft's can't. All due respect to Sam, it sounds more like he's talking about keeping an engine together for a race than having one last a season or more. I like things to be as simple as they can be AND NO MORE. Directly connecting an accumulator to the oil gallery seems to make my engines last and last. The motor in Peyote lasted an entire season, and then went on the all aluminum tour. It was still running fine when Garmey rebuilt it. If you can do something like that with a clean, light, unencumbered solution versus something that might be initially easier to do but is both more complicated and less reliable, then I'd always bite the bullet and go for simple and reliable. On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > Now that I think of this design, I have decided I do not like it -- > if the > Accusump fires, most of the oil will go to the oil filter return. > Am going > to directly plumb the Accusump to the large port on the galley [if > the PI > metering unit allows room]. Will then put the one way valve on the > "T" from > the oil cooler line so all the Accusmp oil goes to the galley [does > this > seem like a good idea?]. > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chuck Arnold > wrote: > >> I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three >> oil >> gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the >> Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter >> return and >> to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. >> Threelines from >> the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. >> >> Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is >> notreally >> necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by >> enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to >> 1/8th >> inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on >> number 1 >> main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles >> and a >> windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra >> capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together >> this year From budscars at comcast.net Thu Feb 5 20:27:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:27:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [TTSCC] old days racing Tr4s Message-ID: <5DE28FB1736F42CA9BA0CB2976B62DBB@Bud> Hi Gang..I'm trying to find some of the guys I raced with in the early 1970s..in DP San Francisco Region ..i sent the following email to Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: TTSCC at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [TTSCC] old days racing Tr4s Hi Gang...As a Triumph Travelers Member now, and formerly(early 1970s for a year or 2)...In those days there were quite a few TTSCS members racing Tr4s in SCCA San Francisco Region...I Raced a Black Tr4..with Yellow Wheels and yellow racing stripe...Are any of you guys that I raced with/knew then still members..etc.?....I lived in the east bay then, and bought the black TR4 from Alva Rodriques of Gonzales(Salinas area) ..Before i bought it, Roger Hettrick drove it for Alva..They moved on to a GT6, which they went to the National Championships with..(unfortunately Roger rolled the car on the 1st lap after qualifying 4th... 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Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. . __,_._,___ From baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thu Feb 5 08:48:21 2009 From: baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Tim Baxter) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:48:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's an error, Paul, now corrected. On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > Sounds like a spectacular event. One question. > > Why are the tickets to the Group 44 Dinner restricted to residents > of the > US? FOT is not a US only. > > Thanks > > Paul MacDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com > Sent: February 5, 2009 10:30 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net; debbie at grassrootsmotorsports.com; > baxter at grassrootsmotorsports.com; david at grassrootsmotorsports.com > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Tribute dinner and FOT event > > > I have found more than 100 people associated with the Group 44 team. > Most of > the main characters have already agreed to come to the Mitty, April > 30th-May3rd at Road Atlanta. I also have at least 12-15 Group 44 cars > commited. Joe > Alexander has also agreed that this should be considered an > eastcoast FOT > event > for those who can't make Portland. Jack Whoerle will be our FOT Group > steward. > Moss is sponsoring the beer party and dart tournament Saturday > night. We > also > have free MX5s on Saturday and Lotus Elises on Sunday for FOT > members to > autocross. > > We will begin the weekend with a tribute dinner to the Group 44 > team. Most > of > the main team members including: Bob Tullius, his son Russ, Ed > Diehl, Tony > Adamowisc, Bill Adam, Don Breslauer, Mike Cook, Mike Downs, Steve > Knoll, > Lanky > Foushee, Dick Gilmartin, and many others have already agreed to > attend. We > will > have individual tables of about eight people with a team member at > each > table. Mike Cook has agreed to help us put together a presentation > with old > footage > from British Leyland films and stills and Bill Warner will be our > emcee. > > After dinner we will have a panel discussion with Bob Tullius and > the team > members. This should be an amazing look at the history of this team, > that > had > so > much to do with Triumph, MG and Jaguar history. > Tim Baxter - Online Editor Grassroots Motorsports Classic Motorsports NEW ADDRESS/ PHONE: 915 Ridgewood Ave., Holly Hill, FL 32117 386-239-0523 386-239-0573 fax From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Feb 6 07:19:44 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> Hey everyone, Who is planning on racing at the Walter Mitty this year (April 30-May 3 at Road Atlanta)? Brad and I are very interested in the event (Tim's Group 44 planning looks AWESOME!) and are trying to decide if we want to just spectate or race. It looks like if we can get 30+ Triumphs, we can have a feature race, according to the info in Tim's email of yesterday. Who's up for it??? Have a great day! Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Feb 6 07:24:39 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:24:39 EST Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the Group 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we have the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer cars coming. That's eight already. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 6 08:51:45 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? In-Reply-To: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> References: <380-22009256141944157@M2W019.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <485226B2BB734520B2EDAACBE146D8FE@richardiipc> 'Ole 196 will be there. Richard Taylor, -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:20 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Hey everyone, Who is planning on racing at the Walter Mitty this year (April 30-May 3 at Road Atlanta)? Brad and I are very interested in the event (Tim's Group 44 planning looks AWESOME!) and are trying to decide if we want to just spectate or race. It looks like if we can get 30+ Triumphs, we can have a feature race, according to the info in Tim's email of yesterday. Who's up for it??? Have a great day! Susan :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Fri Feb 6 11:54:18 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:54:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] transmissions References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> Message-ID: <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Ken: I will forward your request to the list. www.headgasket.com Gasket Works USA, LLC 626.358.1616 Voice 626.628.3777 Fax GMT -8 Pacific ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Stone To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: transmissions Looking for a transmission for a tr4a including perhaps a core overdirve tranny. Any way to get word out to your members? Thanks Ken Stone 40 Ford's Crossing Norwell, MA. 02061 781-659-4768 From benchmarkmap at charter.net Fri Feb 6 13:12:26 2009 From: benchmarkmap at charter.net (Fred & Carolyn Easton) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:12:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Message-ID: <001a01c98897$3af4f0e0$6601a8c0@Easton2> We are abandoning our TR4A project. Block -- NG Original overdrive transmission Please contact off line if interested. Fred From Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca Fri Feb 6 13:39:21 2009 From: Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca (Bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:39:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? Message-ID: FOT and Tim Please count me in to bring my red/white TR-8 down to the Mitty. Peter Bulkowski #42 TR-8 Canada -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ----- Original Message ----- From: GRMTim Sent: 02/06/2009 09:24 AM To: spitfiresuz at 141.com;FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Walter Mitty attendance? We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the Group 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we have the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer cars coming. That's eight already. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Fri Feb 6 13:59:08 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:59:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498CA49C.7060901@charter.net> Thanks for all the advice on plumbing my Spit Accusump. Looks like I will T into the oil feed line to the remote oil filter and cooler with 10an fittings and hose. For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. The gallery plugs on these Spit engine have the same plug as the plug on the head that feed the rocker shaft assembly with a remote oil feed kit. I thought the easy fix would be to source 5/16" flow bolts and banjo fittings, but no luck. Thanks again Glenn Franco 72 Spit race car and too many other triumphs Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Feb 7 06:18:00 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:18:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <498CA49C.7060901@charter.net> Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about plumbing multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't one big line going to do exactly the same thing? Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one adequately sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more stuff to go wrong. Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your motor is already toast... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. From billdentin at aol.com Sat Feb 7 07:37:06 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year In-Reply-To: <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Amici... I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. Congratulations to TONY DREWS. Bill Dentinger From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Feb 7 07:51:11 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:51:11 EST Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Message-ID: I think Bill has been to Las Vegas to a Masonry Convention. This is an exciting event. They spend 4 days watching concrete dry. But it does stay in Las Vegas. > Amici... > > I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of > FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the > VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY > DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. > > Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. > > Congratulations to TONY DREWS. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Feb 7 07:54:26 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:54:26 EST Subject: [Fot] Walter Mitty Message-ID: Absolutely, you can park your motorhome right next to ours and next to the Moss pub. That said, we do not paddock in this area, so if you are racing, we can set up an offical FOT paddock area as well. Get with me early enough to do this, not after everyone is set up and I need to move stuff around. Looks like we are already up to 15-20 Triumphs. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 2/6/09 6:20:13 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Tim, > > If I bring my motorhome, is there way we can park it in your general > vicinity as the "Official FOT Vehicle"? Out of the way and in the background is > fine. > > I am going to try to encourage a few folks and I do expect a few, however, > there are several on the east coast that are planning to go to the Jefferson > 500. > > But you have a very significant event and I would like to be there for it. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > We will debut the Group 44 GT6. Bill Warner will be there with both the > Group > 44 TR6 and TR8, Dennis Day says he is bring his Group 44 Spitfire as is one > other person. Henry Wilkinson has pledged to bring his Group 44 TR8 and we > have > the Kastner Brophy GT6 coming. We also have a couple of Group 44 cusotmer > cars coming. That's eight already. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > > ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00 000003) From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 09:14:55 2009 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] VSCDA DRIVER of theYEAR Message-ID: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Congratulations Tony! A very deserved award. You exemplify the spirit of Vintage Racing. Ken Suhre From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Sat Feb 7 09:45:04 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Tony Drews References: Message-ID: <1FD364A3-EFAA-457B-B4F1-D88435288F0A@earthlink.net> > CONGRATULATIONS TONY!!! Well deserved! > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 and 1 time pilot of Tony's #95... Did I remember to say > THANKS Tony? > Albuquerque NM > On Feb 7, 2009, at 7:37 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > >> Amici... >> >> I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a >> bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been >> announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last >> Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of >> the Year award. >> >> Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. >> >> Congratulations to TONY DREWS. >> >> Bill Dentinger >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Feb 7 09:49:12 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:49:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year In-Reply-To: <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> References: <8883448C0166427C8C44613DB419906C@yourxhtr8hvc4p> <00af01c9888c$50e73b20$1502a8c0@Belkin> <8CB5748AEFBC525-DCC-2777@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000401c98944$018a92d0$049fb870$@com> Well done and well deserved, Tony. Just being able to keep your feet on the pedals at ELVF last year while "lubricating" the footwells seemed like quite an accomplishment!! And as I recall you had some of your better lap times at Road America. Lunker did give you a lot of incentive, also, as I recall. Sharing your car with Lunker for the weekend certainly was in the tradition of vintage racing. Great job, great drive. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] VSCDA Driver of the Year Amici... I've been traveling this past week, and probably have missed a bunch of FOT emails, but I wanted to make sure it had been announced that at the VSCDA's Annual Banquet in Chicago last Saturday night, our own TONY DREWS was honored with the Driver of the Year award. Sorry if this is old news, but even so...it's worth repeating. Congratulations to TONY DREWS. Bill Dentinger Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 7 09:53:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:53:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> I agree, I use a single line. I think people are trying to get around making the gallery plug hole bigger. Nerve-wracking to drill on something like that, but worth doing as long as you can catch all the chips and clean the block after. I have also taken that opportunity to enlarge the bearing feed holes. On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about > plumbing > multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't > one big line going to do exactly the same thing? > > Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? > > Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery > feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one > adequately > sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more > stuff to go wrong. > > Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your > motor is already toast... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Franco > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > Lines > On a Spitfire > > For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they > can be directly plumbed from my accusump. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From triosan at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 10:01:36 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:01:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> References: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> <0B6E630B-C1E5-4AB5-A806-74F05131A7CD@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902070901p60e4baacr2808025b1c3f631c@mail.gmail.com> I think enlarging the bearing feed holes may be the key with the TR6 engine. Doing that this rebuild. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I agree, I use a single line. I think people are trying to get around > making the gallery plug hole bigger. Nerve-wracking to drill on > something like that, but worth doing as long as you can catch all the > chips and clean the block after. I have also taken that opportunity to > enlarge the bearing feed holes. > On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > > > I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about > > plumbing > > multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't > > one big line going to do exactly the same thing? > > > > Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? > > > > Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery > > feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one > > adequately > > sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more > > stuff to go wrong. > > > > Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your > > motor is already toast... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Glenn Franco > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil > > Lines > > On a Spitfire > > > > For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they > > can be directly plumbed from my accusump. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 7 10:04:19 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:04:19 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes004.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes003.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb46/GT6Steve/New%20MK3%20racer/Oversi zeoilholes001.jpg[/IMG] **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 7 10:37:35 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:37:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902050906j5c370177xf98619d5c46ff2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F999F5029E94DF08F117E341920AB4A@KasPC> Don't be fooled by just enlarging the bores of the oil ways. There is a bushing that intrudes into the main gallery in the 6 cylinder engines and it restricts the flow to the front of the engine. THAT is why I did the piping to the cam bearing taped holes in the side of the block way back in the late 60's. It is the front of the engine that starves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire >I have taken the approach on the TR6 engine to directly feed three oil > gallery ports from the return line off the oil cooler and from the > Accusump. A "T" in the return line feeds to both the oil filter return > and > to a manifold. The manifold is also fed by the Accusump. Threelines from > the manifold go directly to the gallery ports. See attached photo. > > Note: Sam Halkias told me thatdirectly feeding the gallies is notreally > necessary. Whatis necessary is to increase flow,and that is done by > enlarging the hole[s?] in the engine block that feed the gallery to 1/8th > inch. I figure any way I can keep a lot ofpressure and volume on number 1 > main and rod bearing is good. Of course, I have oil pan baffles and a > windage tray [and this year will use Racestorations heavy duty, extra > capacity aluminum sump]. Hope to keep the e.ngine all together this year > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 2/4/09 10:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Billb at bnj.com >> writes: >> >> << Going through an oil filter adapter plate doesn't seem to do that >> for >> me. >> I'd like to protect against catastrophes like having that filter >> rupture or >> come unscrewed and still having bearing oil pressure long enough to >> get >> the >> motor shut down. >> >> >> I originally used an adapter plate between the oil filter and the block. >> This didn't seem to help at all. I then drilled and tapped the center >> oil >> gall >> ey >> port for 3/8" pipe thread, and used an adapter fitting for the equivalent >> of >> 1/2" AN line (forget the number). This made a big difference as far as >> regulating the oil pressure. >> >> Most people have a machinist drill and tap the fitting. I did this >> myself, >> and had to take some time removing the iron shavings with a magnet -- >> unless >> you want to take out the aluminum plugs and ramrod the particles out. >> Even >> then, some will lodge in the oil feed ports. >> ************** >> Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to >> stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > oiling system front annotated.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mediehljr at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 16:12:23 2009 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:12:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire In-Reply-To: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EBEE@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <473193.90515.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Henry, you are correct. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Henry Frye wrote: From: Henry Frye Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:18 AM I've followed this thread and kept seeing people talking about plumbing multiple lines from the accusump into the main oil gallery. Why? Isn't one big line going to do exactly the same thing? Is there some fluid dynamics voodoo I am not privy to? Unless those oil feed ports are going directly into an oil gallery feeding the crank, I see no benefit to several lines over one adequately sized line. More expense, and a labyrinth of oil lines is just more stuff to go wrong. Seems to me if you really needed the flow from multiple locations your motor is already toast... -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Franco Subject: Re: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire For the next engine build I will enlarge the 4 oil feed ports so they can be directly plumbed from my accusump. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Feb 7 16:59:41 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:59:41 EST Subject: [Fot] Question on Accusump Install with External Oil Lines On a Spitfire Message-ID: Let's keep in mind there are two very different engines in play here. You TR4 guys face entirely different problems than the six guys. I'd not deign sneer at anything the fours do until I understood why... **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sun Feb 8 06:46:17 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion Message-ID: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? thxx all, Bob From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 8 09:42:54 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 09:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's email address is Bill Close . Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. -------------------- I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact Bill. It's a great kit! Count me as one very satisfied customer. -------------------- At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: >Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if >so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is >there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? > >thxx all, >Bob >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 11:02:04 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:02:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Cannot beat Herman's quality -- and he includes a linear throw out bearing that alone costs 500 [bearing alone costs 300, custom mount]. Not sure how Bill does it for that price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped > conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's > email address is Bill Close . > > Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. > > -------------------- > I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I > picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 > for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except > when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for > you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on > the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if > the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. > > If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact > Bill. It's a great kit! > > Count me as one very satisfied customer. > > -------------------- > > At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: > >> Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how >> well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in >> FOT land that might be for sale? >> >> thxx all, >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 8 11:20:37 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:20:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] VSCDA DRIVER of theYEAR In-Reply-To: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <455588.78264.qm@web111415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Way to go Tony! Congrats! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From dave at microworks.net Sun Feb 8 11:23:01 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:23:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.co m> References: <498EE229.9050809@cfl.rr.com> <20090208164448.E845D187868@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090208182348.33CBF187683@autox.team.net> Don't say "cannot" when you are not sure of what you speak. I'll let Bill speak for himself or you can contact him yourself. His phone number is 602-524-5351. Bill decided to build these conversions when he could not get Herman to cut him a discount on a multi unit order. Herman's response was that if Bill wanted them at a lower price build them himself. He did. End of story. Bill owns 4-5 restored TR3's, a TR4, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth motor, a concourse winning Alfa Spyder, a Lancia Scorpion and a Super7. He has built, driven and owned race cars forever. He is always the first person I call when I have a question or need help. At 11:02 AM 2/8/2009, Chuck Arnold wrote: Cannot beat Herman's quality -- and he includes a linear throw out bearing that alone costs 500 [bearing alone costs 300, custom mount]. Not sure how Bill does it for that price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: One of our Club Members (and member of FOT), Bill Close, makes a 5 sped conversion kit too that is far less costly then the HDVA version. Bill's email address is Bill Close . Here is a comment one our our members posted about it. -------------------- I took my TR6 to Bill Close today and he dropped in the Toyota 5 speed I picked up at Alma Imports ($200) using the conversion kit he developed ($450 for TR6, $400 for TR3 and TR4 I think). Everything went smoothly, except when I got in Bill's way. Talk to Bill if you'd like him to install it for you like I did his price is very reasonable. I took it out on the freeway on the way home and I'm now about 2,600 RPM at 65mph and 3,000 at 75 mph, if the speedo is right which I'll have to check as I was passing everyone. If you are thinking about converting to a 5 speed you really should contact Bill. It's a great kit! Count me as one very satisfied customer. -------------------- At 06:46 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: Has anyone used the HDVA Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversion and if so, how well did it work out? Either in race use or street use? Is there one out in FOT land that might be for sale? thxx all, Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 8 12:45:29 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:45:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902081002i32745c78i996a359a4d8dbf5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090208194529.ZVLR8858.cdptpa-omta06.mail.rr.com@randall> > Not sure how Bill does it for that > price,but cannot include a new custom bell housing as HDVA does. I believe that is true. If I'm thinking of the right one, Bill's conversion uses an original bellhousing, clutch linkage and pressure plate; which means you don't have to change the flywheel and starter as with Herman's conversion (on earlier TRs). The bellhousing gets cut away from the original gearbox housing, then reinforced and machined to accept the Toy box. And while I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, I kind of like having the clutch hydraulics out where they can be serviced without removing the transmission. With Herman's setup, you even have to pull the gearbox to adjust the clutch. Randall From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sun Feb 8 12:53:25 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:53:25 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK Message-ID: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Hi, Everyone This is just to let you all know there have been recent updates to the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that hopefully a goodly number of you will find interesting? To start with, 'Stagmeister' Joe Pawlak and his loyal band of smashed knucklers at Illinois Sports Owners Association have made real progress with the car. The front and rear suspension is in place, the body is fully painted and the engine rebuild is well underway. If you haven't seen the website recently, there are some new pix so you can see what's going on. Additionally, I'm now delighted to be able to confirm the route details, dates and venues (where known and confirmed) are now on the website as well. Click on the route on the site sidebar and apart from the latest map, you'll be able to see where "uncle jack" and I will be at any time or date. There are still a number of things to firm up regarding events but the bare bones are now in place. We had a major disappointment a few weeks ago when the US charity we'd hoped to work with, decided for reasons we're still not too sure about - to withdraw from the TTACD. The search is now on to identify and recruit a fully accredited and registered US 501c3 non-profit to work with us. Hopefully, we'll be able to reveal all when that sanction is gained. >From now onwards, the next stages of the event are to identify which clubs close to the route want to join in on the Drive itself. Who wants to join a caravan and who doesn't - where each caravan will start and finish etc etc. I'll also soon be opening the doors for 'caravanners' to book their rallyboard or a seat in "uncle jack" as he makes his noble (and noisy) progress across Canada and the U.S. Four months to go now = and counting Jonmac From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 8 13:39:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:39:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK In-Reply-To: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: <7064BCE6-CA87-4624-A79B-F19AFCD693DB@bnj.com> John, I've been looking at your schedule and route, and it's tantalizingly close to the dates for the Kastner Cup event at Portland International Raceways (Sept 5 - 7 Columbia River Classic Road Race) The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the Northwest. We'll be putting together a fairly elaborate and fun set of events surrounding the race. It looks like the timing will be decidedly off and you have some pretty firm looking conflicts, but I thought I would be remiss if I didn't let you know. On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Hi, Everyone > > This is just to let you all know there have been recent updates to > the event website at www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk that hopefully a > goodly number of you will find interesting? > > To start with, 'Stagmeister' Joe Pawlak and his loyal band of > smashed knucklers at Illinois Sports Owners Association have made > real progress with the car. The front and rear suspension is in > place, the body is fully painted and the engine rebuild is well > underway. If you haven't seen the website recently, there are some > new pix so you can see what's going on. > > Additionally, I'm now delighted to be able to confirm the route > details, dates and venues (where known and confirmed) are now on the > website as well. Click on the route on the site sidebar and apart > from the latest map, you'll be able to see where "uncle jack" and I > will be at any time or date. There are still a number of things to > firm up regarding events but the bare bones are now in place. We had > a major disappointment a few weeks ago when the US charity we'd > hoped to work with, decided for reasons we're still not too sure > about - to withdraw from the TTACD. The search is now on to identify > and recruit a fully accredited and registered US 501c3 non-profit to > work with us. Hopefully, we'll be able to reveal all when that > sanction is gained. > >> From now onwards, the next stages of the event are to identify >> which clubs close to the route want > to join in on the Drive itself. Who wants to join a caravan and who > doesn't - where each caravan will start and finish etc etc. I'll > also soon be opening the doors for 'caravanners' to book their > rallyboard or a seat in "uncle jack" as he makes his noble (and > noisy) progress across Canada and the U.S. > > Four months to go now = and counting > > Jonmac _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:09:31 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:09:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain Message-ID: <000401c98a53$10651b30$6401a8c0@blake1> What is the trick to get the cam gear back on with a new AE chain? I am using a new crank sprocket new (stock style) cam gear, and new AE chain. The chain seems very tight and I can not get the cam sprocket back onto the cam. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 18:54:55 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c98a59$67ec4670$6401a8c0@blake1> Gary, Michael, Greg, Thank you for the tip, each of you had the same suggestion. What would I do with out you guys? Gary, Will you be at TWS in February? Greg -----Original Message----- From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com [mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:26 PM To: ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain The chain has to go on both sprockets before you put either of them on. You get both of them started with the chain in place and then just slowly tap them both back into place. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO _____ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sun Feb 8 20:33:12 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:33:12 EST Subject: [Fot] FW: new AE timing chain Message-ID: No, going to have to miss the Feb event. I have found (after just thinking I was going to install a windage tray that I actually was quite lucky to not blow the entire engine in the TR 4 so I am currently waiting on a couple of parts and will completely rebuild it. I should be ready for Hallett though so hopefully will catch up there. Cheers, Gary **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 02:55:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup focus event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting up a website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios about both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. Gather up some good pics of your car. The site is at http://www.crclassic.com The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with british cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous amount of stuff to see and do. It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem getting that, this is a very special event. I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some fine parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit--contrast stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him where he got it and he said "from my closet". Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) Blukarski said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to do: Roadtrip!" Bill Babcock Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 http://www.AllAluminumTour.com From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 07:54:32 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:54:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: Bill, Please let me know what I can do to help. For everyone else I'll be glad to go through my files and supply Bill with shots I have of the Midwest contingent. Just contact me so I know who's photos to look for. Greg Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: Billb at bnj.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphtrans-americainfo at triumphtransamerica.org.uk; 6pack at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website > > I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup focus > event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland > International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting up a > website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be > attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change > quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios about > both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- > based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are > racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. Gather > up some good pics of your car. > > The site is at http://www.crclassic.com > > The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, > which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the > Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with british > cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid > days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on > Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous > amount of stuff to see and do. > > It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than > you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race > if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem > getting that, this is a very special event. > > I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some fine > parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. > One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with > Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit--contrast > stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him where he > got it and he said "from my closet". > > Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- > grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) Blukarski > said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to do: > Roadtrip!" > > > Bill Babcock > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > > http://www.AllAluminumTour.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 09:27:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:27:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> <7064BCE6-CA87-4624-A79B-F19AFCD693DB@bnj.com> Message-ID: <1699A893-F046-4FCD-B44B-38410727164B@bnj.com> I thought that would be the case , John, but I wanted to extend the invitation. It would certainly be a pleasure to see you when you get near Portland On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:38 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Hi, Bill > > Thanks very much for your suggestion and I do agree that it would be > great to be at Portland on the dates indicated. Sadly, I have to sit > that one out. > The route for the whole event gradually evolved with different > Triumph Clubs inviting me to visit them during the time window I was > planning to be in the US and Canada. Added to that, they have also > done a lot of work in arranging special events of a fundraising > nature and to these, dates have had to be applied. > Without wanting to sound like a killjoy or old before my time, I > also have to think of me. It's strictly a case of Anno Domini but I > find (with much regret) that I simply cannot cover the distances I > once did without thinking about them - and my stroke in 2005 was the > warning shot across the bows. > The bottom line is I've just got to pace myself and break the trip > up into easily managed daily segments and with regular R&R breaks, > otherwise a number of people here (wife, step-daughter, two sons and > my doctor) could turn nasty :) > But all that to one side, I do appreciate your suggestion and hope > that somehow we'll be able to meet - somewhere, sometime? > > Cheers, John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: John Macartney > Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; Triumph Trans-America ; triumphs at autox.team.net > ; spitfires at autox.team.net ; 6-Pack > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Trans-America - Latest news from the UK > > John, I've been looking at your schedule and route, and it's > tantalizingly close to the dates for the Kastner Cup event at > Portland International Raceways (Sept 5 - 7 Columbia River Classic > Road Race) The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British > Field Meet, which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars > in the Northwest. > > We'll be putting together a fairly elaborate and fun set of events > surrounding the race. It looks like the timing will be decidedly off > and you have some pretty firm looking conflicts, but I thought I > would be remiss if I didn't let you know. From billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 11:28:53 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:28:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website In-Reply-To: References: <793F136154FC45EC91376105FCDD84E8@Bevan> Message-ID: Thanks Greg, if you sign up on the site I will make you an editor, which means you can add content yourself. That offer goes as well for any carbon-based lifeform that would like to assist with this effort. You can't use these powers to advertise porn, or any device that might enlarge any portions of my anatomy, but other than that pretty much anything goes. On Feb 9, 2009, at 4:54 AM, wrote: > Bill, > > Please let me know what I can do to help. > > For everyone else I'll be glad to go through my files and supply > Bill with shots I have of the Midwest contingent. Just contact me so > I know who's photos to look for. > > Greg > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > From: Billb at bnj.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:55:53 -1000 > > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net; spitfires at autox.team.net; triumphtrans-americainfo at triumphtransamerica.org.uk > ; 6pack at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Columbia river Classic Road Race website > > > > I'm working on the organizational issues for the FOT/Kastner Cup > focus > > event at the Columbia River Classic Road Race at Portland > > International Raceways, Sept 5 - 7, 2009. I have started setting > up a > > website to post news of the event, pictures of the cars that will be > > attending, etc. There's not much there yet, but that will change > > quickly. You'll be able to post pictures of your car(s) and bios > about > > both your car and yourself. I'll make it easy to do--a simple form- > > based system. It would be great to have your pics whether you are > > racing or driving your triumph or TR-powered car to the event. > Gather > > up some good pics of your car. > > > > The site is at http://www.crclassic.com > > > > The CRC shares that date and venue with the All British Field Meet, > > which is one of the largest confabulations of brit cars in the > > Northwest. It winds up being a pleasantly crowded event, with > british > > cars everywhere, a vendor row and an autojumble. Besides three solid > > days of racing, and a test and tune day put on by the Lotus club on > > Sept 4 for the seriously track crazy, there will be a tremendous > > amount of stuff to see and do. > > > > It's also a very full racing slate, you'll have more track time than > > you know what to do with. We've been promised a special Triumph race > > if we have a good turnout. I don't think we'll have much problem > > getting that, this is a very special event. > > > > I'm also working on a full-on autocross event. There will be some > fine > > parties, and you should start putting together your vintage outfits. > > One of my fondest memories of Uncle Jack was when he turned up with > > Joe at a big CRC party wearing a Full Cleveland leisure suit-- > contrast > > stitching, superfly collar, white belt and shoes. I asked him > where he > > got it and he said "from my closet". > > > > Start planning folks, this is going to be fun. You east coasters-- > > grease up that trailer ball and let's roll. As John (Bluto) > Blukarski > > said, "when everything is going to hell there's only one thing to > do: > > Roadtrip!" > > > > > > Bill Babcock > > Billb at bnj.com > > 503.936.7660 > > > > http://www.AllAluminumTour.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From rikrock at aol.com Mon Feb 9 14:11:06 2009 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paging Joe Boruch Message-ID: <8CB59120E926E32-1184-AF8@webmail-me13.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Call me at 610-804-9047.? I need to get your address so that I can return the oil pump we borrowed at the track this summer. Rich Rock From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Feb 9 15:04:15 2009 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:04:15 EST Subject: [Fot] 5 speed conversion Message-ID: In a message dated 2/8/09 11:46:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: << And while I know it's an unpopular viewpoint, I kind of like having the clu tch hydraulics out where they can be serviced without removing the transmissio n. With Herman's setup, you even have to pull the gearbox to adjust the clutc h. >> Dan Styduhar installed a Herman System in his street TR-3, and drove it to the big Triumph blowout at Watkins Glen last summer. I rode with Dan in his TR-3 down into town to watch the street races. Something happened to Dan's transmission, and he couldn't go into reverse to back out of a gas station. He rman sent Dan a couple of upgraded parts to hopefully fix the problem. ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 9 20:09:23 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:09:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup site Message-ID: <1439625A-4ED8-4C4D-B489-AC26FF7FAAD2@bnj.com> Is a lot more interesting now. I'm still working on it, but it's time for those of you that are going to race your car, drive your Triumph to the event, or just would like to daydream about a cross country road trip to upload pictures of your toys. there's a forms tab that lets you do this without much more computer savvy than the average senior citizen. http://www.crclassic.com Bill From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 10 01:51:18 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:51:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] front oil seal Message-ID: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> Like a dummy, I thought the front oil seal was in my gasket set. Of course I did not bother to look until tonight when I was ready to button up the engine. Needless to say, I am hurting for a front oil seal in a big hurry. Has anyone found a cross reference to a NAPA or other national chain. Thanks, Greg From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Feb 10 08:55:15 2009 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: Message-ID: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 09:32:18 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:32:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: You didn't mention that you checked to see if the throttle discs themselves are closing all the way. They can be tightened in place and not allow closure leaving a large air opening. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gasket Works Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:55 AM To: RLEslEagle at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Feb 10 09:42:21 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:21 EST Subject: [Fot] help, please! Message-ID: Bob is certainly correct on the throttle disks although I had a problem like this once a long time ago after a Carb rebuild and while the gray matter is indeed gray I think it was caused by installing the idler arms backwards or upside down. i.e. It didn't matter where the idler screw was it had no affect. I'd recheck that all the linkage is installed properly. Cheers & Good Luck, Gary Fuqua **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 10 09:46:13 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:46:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <259504.52213.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dick: Who rebuilt the carburetors? You say the shafts and bushings have been replaced and there is no leakage around the shafts, but, do the throttle plates (butterfly's) close completely? When new shafts are installed they need to be drilled for the cross pin which holds the throttle stop arm. If that is drilled in the wrong location the throttle stop will come to rest on the idle screw perch, but the throttle plate can still be open. Also, the plates can be in the shafts backwards, with the chamfer facing the wrong way, which will cause the throttle plate to not close completely. Check it out and let us know. Good luck - Ed Barnard- --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Gasket Works wrote: From: Gasket Works Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! To: RLEslEagle at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:55 AM Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? See below. md ----- Original Message ----- From: RLEslEagle at aol.com To: gasket.works at gte.net Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: help, please! Greetings. I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger at The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky Brit street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked the following: 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not leak air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new gaskets, no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do not leak. 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static timing is at 4 degrees tdc. 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and connection at front carb okay. 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with the "carb spray test." 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment screws entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment cam is not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that my installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result more in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored example and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. But, there is this idle problem... Thanks! Dick Eslinger Dayton, Ohio ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Feb 10 09:49:26 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:49:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Help please! Message-ID: <523903.318.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow! The CVAR contingent is all thinking the same! Is it something in the water or air? -Ed- From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 09:49:29 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:49:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fast idle Message-ID: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> Given you are certain about the possible gasket and manifold leaks the only place remaining is the carburetor throttle plates. The engine must get air from somewhere to give the fast idle. They only have to be off a fraction to allow enough air to pass to give the fast idle as there is no load on the engine. You just might be able to see by just removing the bells and slides of each carb to check the plate position.That opening is pretty difficult to see from the outside of the carb but remove the carb and shine a light at the front and looking at the plate from the rear you will if there is a gap. To reseat the plates, slack off the screws, tap the plates lightly and check to see that the gap has been closed, hold tightly closed with your finger as you tighten the plates. I would remove each screw individually then and apply a little Loctite unless the screws are the split end type, replace each screw in turn, recheck the position with the light. The error can happen easily on a re-build of the carbs. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 09:59:10 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:59:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <01c101c98ba0$e5403b70$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You didn't mention that you checked to see if the throttle discs > themselves > are closing all the way. They can be tightened in place and not allow > closure > leaving a large air opening. Just to echo what I think Robert is saying : the throttle plates need to be centered to the bore any time they are disturbed. If you look through the body at a light, you may see a little light at the sides of the throttle plate (next to the shaft), but both bottom and top should block light totally. If there is a rim of light, they are not closing for some reason. I have also had problems where the linkage pivots were worn oval, and would bind just as the carbs came to idle. Easy check for that is to disconnect the linkage at the front carb. Hopefully obviously, bad synchronization between the carbs can also cause high idle (one carb holding the other open); but usually it's not very smooth. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 10:01:58 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:01:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <5963637CC2C340DEBA43B4D1076772E7@Bud> it could be something as simple as how the linkage is bolted together..loosen the little center nuts and bolts on the shaft that runs between the carbs, one may be out of whack, keeping the throttle open racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! > Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? > > See below. > > md > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RLEslEagle at aol.com > To: gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: help, please! > > > Greetings. > I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger > at > The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, > after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky > Brit > street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a > smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked > the > following: > 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not > leak > air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new > gaskets, > no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do > not > leak. > 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static > timing > is at 4 degrees tdc. > 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and > connection at front carb okay. > 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. > 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with > the > "carb spray test." > 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. > > The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment > screws > entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment > cam is > not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that > my > installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result > more > in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? > > Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored > example > and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. > But, > there is this idle problem... > Thanks! > Dick Eslinger > Dayton, Ohio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL > Music > takes you there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue Feb 10 10:47:33 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:47:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] help, please! References: <002d01c98b97$f75d9e00$1502a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <28FC2C2CAF1F471684EEC8856FDEA507@rocky> Maybe back off the timing? --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gasket Works" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! > Dick seems to have a problem... are there any mechanics who can help him? > > See below. > > md > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RLEslEagle at aol.com > To: gasket.works at gte.net > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: help, please! > > > Greetings. > I need the help of this amazing pool of Triumph experience--Dave Swauger > at > The Roadster Factory suggested I write. My car--a 1960 TR 3A. Problem, > after an engine rebuild--TR 4A head; 86 mm sleeves & pistons; new Vicky > Brit > street cam, lifters, & push rods; rebuilt SU carbs; etc, I have a > smooth-running engine that will not go below 2,000 rpm. I have checked > the > following: > 1. The intake manifold flanges have been newly machined flat & do not > leak > air (new gaskets, of course). Same with carb to intake manifold--new > gaskets, > no leakage. Insulator blocks are the replacement plastic parts which do > not > leak. > 2. The distributor to camshaft gear is aligned correctly and static > timing > is at 4 degrees tdc. > 3. The vacuum advance is holding vacuum & not leaking air. Pipe and > connection at front carb okay. > 4. The carb needles are the correct normal codes. > 5. The carb rebuild included new shafts and bushings--no leakage with > the > "carb spray test." > 5. The valve train is working as normal & is accurately gapped. > > The 2,000 "idle" is smooth, not rough, but with the idle adjustment > screws > entirely off their bases, the fast idle remains. (The choke enrichment > cam is > not hanging the throttle shaft.) The only thing I can now imagine is that > my > installation of the cam chain is one link off. But wouldn't that result > more > in an uneven idle than an idle twice as fast as normal but smooth? > > Any help would be deeply appreciated. The car is a nicely restored > example > and I hope to get it on the road as soon as the Ohio winter retreats. > But, > there is this idle problem... > Thanks! > Dick Eslinger > Dayton, Ohio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL > Music > takes you there. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Feb 10 10:52:04 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Cars Message-ID: <20090210175330.277E8187869@autox.team.net> In the current issue of Hemmings "Sports & Exotics Car" Magazine with a TR6 on the cover touting an article inside entitled "Improving the Breed. Updating a TR6. 5-Speed Overdrive, Electronic Fuel Injection, Limited Slip and Modern Electrics" is a pretty nice article about the Runnoffs being held at Road Atlanta in 1970. Pictures of Group 44 cars. GT6+, TR6 and Spitfire From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 10 10:57:31 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 9:57:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II From triosan at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 11:07:23 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:07:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to use a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four forward gears without overdrive. Thoughts? Chuck On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet > Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the > library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow > FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to > make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. > Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, > like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe > this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the > rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's > 50% of the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 > transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the > frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a > chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for > several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the > car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable > racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the > group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and > finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the > end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 11:12:28 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:12:28 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. But that's an expensive proposition and the reliability suffers when you get above 130 HP. The standard gearboxes are marginally reliable in street cars. The overdrives are a bad joke, but they clearly give racers a lot of ratios to play with. Hard to see any regulatory reason for saddling us with these fragile, expensive and increasingly rare trannys. I have a big stock of them and might never switch over, but I think the sport benefits from reliability. On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my > sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of > the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. > Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have > apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg > Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any > car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped > Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, > apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm > on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of > the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a > custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. > modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there > may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have > sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, > conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can > find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race > group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around > and acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to > reliable racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of > the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I > start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's > an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > \ From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 11:16:49 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:16:49 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fast idle In-Reply-To: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> References: <3DDBF77864BE424EAF5C8448404AC774@KasPC> Message-ID: <1D5D991B-0191-40AA-A1DF-1C1A12B744B1@bnj.com> It's also pretty easy to screw up the timing, or to have a sticking advance unit. I had an adjustable timing light get out of calibration, and your timing mark could be off. I'd also spray the gasket surfaces with water and look for a stumble as the water gets drawn in. So easy to get a vacuum leak. On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Given you are certain about the possible gasket and manifold leaks > the only > place remaining is the carburetor throttle plates. The engine must > get air > from somewhere to give the fast idle. They only have to be off a > fraction to > allow enough air to pass to give the fast idle as there is no load > on the > engine. > > You just might be able to see by just removing the bells and slides > of each > carb to check the plate position.That opening is pretty difficult to > see from > the outside of the carb but remove the carb and shine a light at the > front and > looking at the plate from the rear you will if there is a gap. > > To reseat the plates, slack off the screws, tap the plates lightly > and check > to see that the gap has been closed, hold tightly closed with your > finger as > you tighten the plates. I would remove each screw individually then > and apply > a little Loctite unless the screws are the split end type, replace > each screw > in turn, recheck the position with the light. > > The error can happen easily on a re-build of the carbs. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of Kas Kastner.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Feb 10 11:03:13 2009 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:03:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> I think SVRA has allowed it for a couple of years. I ran all last year with a T5 in my TR3 and it is great. Also doesn't leak like the old TR box with CR grears. When I ran the OD box leaking was also a problem. The TR boxes had just been apart too many times. Dean T. Feb 10, 2009 12:57:41 PM, igofaster at charter.net wrote: Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cak at dimebank.com Tue Feb 10 11:27:25 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:27:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:27:37 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:32:00 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB59C4FF5499D4-10F0-8C@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> That "B" is a typo! -----Original Message----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 11:43:32 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:43:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Speaking as the Race Director of one of those "national captioning vintage race groups", whatever that means, you need to understand and appreciate that every organization sets its own policies on car elegibility and preparation. There is no equivalent of SCCA in vintage racing. There is an umbrella organization, the Vintage Motorsports Coucil, but it is not a rules preparing body. It is a forum for conversation among the member organizations. All of those you listed are members of VMC. Certainly the issues of car mods and preparation rules have been discussed frequently but long ago all agreed that they weren't likely to give up their freedom to establish their own rules. Heck, most all even have their own terminology for class/group designations and years of elegibility in each of them. So, the result is differences all over the country, in most all classes for a variety of reasons. Some very simply make financial decisions to get more entrants by allowing more non-period mods. Others try to hold the line to only that which was available back in the time of the car's first use in club racing. And everything in between. And then come magazines that seek to have a nationwide audience. There is certainly no claim that anything shown in articles or advertisements is assured to be acceptable by any one driver's local organization. One needs to find out what the sanctioning body(or bodies) they are going to race with will accept. Interestingly enough, my TR3 still has a Triumph gearbox and it holds up for 4-5 years before a truly major rebuild. I can give you the name of my engine/gearbox builder. Also interestingly enough, my other race car is a Formula Vee and CVAR has some rules that are more liberal than many other organization. Mike Jackson Race Director - VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >Sent: Feb 10, 2009 12:57 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > >Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. >CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... >I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... >Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. >Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. >thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. >I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. > >Bobby Whitehead >#53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Feb 10 11:56:08 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:56:08 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: Mike, your comments are well thought out and put. Then it can be said without contradiction that we all race TRIUMPHs, more or less. Some more so, some less so. Bill (Damdinger) ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 12:21:00 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:21:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: CVAR has an "OEM" requirement, meaning a Triumph tranny. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:07 PM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to use a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four forward gears without overdrive. Thoughts? Chuck On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet > Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. > CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the > library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow > FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to > make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. > Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, > like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe > this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the > rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's > 50% of the last 6 events... > I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 > transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the > frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... > Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a > chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for > several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the > car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. > thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable > racing. > I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the > group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and > finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the > end of the season. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:33:07 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:33:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01e701c98bb6$698f2f70$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The [] transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be > functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That > means 4 > speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, Since the original 4-speed plus OD gives 7 distinct ratios, that same logic would seem to indicate that a 7-speed manual would also be acceptable. Or 8, if your lockout switch happens to be misadjusted Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:42:01 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:42:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> Message-ID: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have fun with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call it a Triumph. If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:55:48 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:55:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] front oil seal In-Reply-To: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c98b5c$bd8a9d80$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <01f601c98bb9$9215c280$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > Needless to say, I am hurting for a front oil seal in a > big hurry. Has anyone found a cross reference to a NAPA or other > national chain. Not sure which motor you are working on, Greg, but not too many years ago I walked into a Kragen (same chain as Checker and Shucks) and asked for a front seal for a TR4. They had two of them in stock. Randall From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 12:55:53 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:55:53 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <8cbd782d0902101007k32bf8034h97ae2c6302b3b066@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Chuck, but that is not true. That was why I spent so much time and money on the special gear set that made it the top four ratios of a five. speed. Who really needs a.88 first gear for the street? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > It has been suggested that it probably is not against the 1969 GCRs to > use > a 5 sppedin our carsaslong as firstgear is locked out--meaning four > forward > gears without overdrive. > > Thoughts? > > Chuck > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet >> Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. >> CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the >> library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow >> FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed >> to >> make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. >> Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, >> like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". >> Maybe >> this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by >> the >> rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's >> 50% of the last 6 events... >> I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom >> GT6 >> transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the >> frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... >> Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be >> a >> chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for >> several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to >> the >> car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. >> thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable >> racing. >> I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the >> group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last >> and >> finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at >> the >> end of the season. >> >> Bobby Whitehead >> #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 12:56:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:56:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real controlling group.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have > fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Feb 10 13:02:27 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:02:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> Message-ID: Absolutly true and in our own ranks no doubt. I found it difficult to buy 87MM forged pistons but the supplier had plenty of 89 MM sets due to the demand from racers.. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:57 PM To: Randall; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real controlling group.. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have > fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Tue Feb 10 13:08:56 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:08:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05><01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> Message-ID: <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Randall" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very > disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of > course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that > there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than > there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real > controlling group.. > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > >>> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group >>> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >>> acknowledge the swap. >> >> I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't >> that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have >> fun >> with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and >> call >> it a Triumph. >> >> If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... >> >> Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 13:11:14 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <8CB59C4611C7FD4-10F0-3E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB59D2DC393BF9-10F0-7D7@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> I meant numerically HIGHER....like 1:10 to 1. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1) -----Original Message----- From: jwoesvra at aol.com To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Y'all need to go the www.svra.com and re-read the regulations...or could it be that you haven't ever really read them? THE ALTERNATE TRANSMISSION RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1999! Look under the Group 3 SR. The B transmission rule (paraphrased) is that the replacement must be functionally similar to the original (or optional) transmission. That means 4 speeds w/OD can be a 5-speed, but 5th gear MUST be an overdrive ratio. 5th MUST be numerically lower (i.e. .095:1). There is also a 75# weight penalty that is added to the official weight. Make sure if you use a T5, that it does not have a 1:1 5th gear. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap" -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:57 pm Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Some of ya'll (I'm Texan) recall the trials and tribulations of my sweet Bob Davis GT6 with a T50 5 speed gearbox. CVAR has not allowed the 5 speed conversion... I just ran out of the library.. with my March 2009 Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Our fellow FoT'er Tim Suddard and his race prepared TR3 have apparently been allowed to make the transmission swap to a Borg Warner T5 five speed conversion. Apparently SVRA stated that "any car that came with five forward speeds, like our over-drive equipped Triumphs-can make the transmission swap". Maybe this is a new rule, apparently it is. Not that I don't mind playing by the rules... I'm on my 4th transmission job...$3000.00 plus dollars and DNF's 50% of the last 6 events... I'm on the newest Triumph transmission from Quantumechanics... a custom GT6 transmission with TR7 gears and a J type overdrive.. modifications to the frame to TRY to make it work.. AGAIN..... Needless to say, I'm going after CVAR, ONCE AGAIN, to see if there may be a chance I can put the T50 back in the car.. I could have sold the T50 for several thousand dollars with the drive shaft, conversion, and mod's to the car... but I haven't... hoping I can find a spot for it. Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and acknowledge the swap. thanks Tim Suddard for the article, maybe we can move forward to reliable racing. I quote Tim's article " it's more fun to run reliable at the back of the group-or not at all." I've said it before, I don't care if I start last and finish last, I just wanna race... after all... it's an $8.00 trophy at the end of the season. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6+ Group II _ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jwoesvra at aol.com Tue Feb 10 13:13:33 2009 From: jwoesvra at aol.com (jwoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05><01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com><28820BB4F58940F0AEC7CBC824F81C9D@Bud> <058C5D6A8D5A4E69B2B40418A495E85A@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CB59D32E91CCDF-10F0-815@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Stating gear ratios is my weak point too, Kas! That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88.B -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: RACER BUD ; Randall ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! That gear ratio in my last message should be been 1.88.B B ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" B To: "Randall" ; B Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:56 AMB Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!B B > This is where the vintage racing gets very confusing, and can be very > disheartning to those of us with Truly period correct cars...and of > course, we have no National Governing Organization....I would bet that > there is much more rule breaking/bending/outright cheating in vintage than > there is in SCCA Regionals and Nationals....because there is no real > controlling group..B > Racer Bud..Spitfire #21B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" B > To: B > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:42 AMB > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!B >B >B >>> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race groupB >>> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around andB > >> acknowledge the swap.B >>B >> I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn'tB >> that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have >> funB >> with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and >> callB >> it a Triumph.B >>B >> If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc...B >>B >> RandallB >> _______________________________________________B >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB >>B >> http://www.fot-racing.comB >>B >> Fot mailing listB >> Fot at autox.team.netB >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB > _______________________________________________B > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB >B > http://www.fot-racing.comB >B > Fot mailing listB > Fot at autox.team.netB > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB _______________________________________________B Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlB B http://www.fot-racing.comB B Fot mailing listB Fot at autox.team.netB http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fotB B From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 13:35:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:35:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <505A5AB4-B65D-42B9-ADF7-248CEE94D44B@bnj.com> This falls between the "good point except" and the "slippery slope" categories. No one requires full OEM vintage. If they did there would be very few running production-based cars. The megabuck cars must be pure in order to retain their value, but all the rest have parts relentlessly replaced with what's available and what fits the budget. If these cars are going to participate (and they are the backbone of vintage racing) then it's going to be a continual regulatory management process that enables that, not a hard and fast rule. The organizations are trying to hold the brakes on as much as feasible without winding up with races that have 20 entries. You can argue that a transmission change provides performance opportunities, and it does, but nothing out of scope of what can be accomplished inside an OEM box and overdrive with a lot of very expensive parts (most of which never saw the inside of a Triumph factory). The big difference is price and reliability. I don't mind paying that price to some degree, but I also don't mind racing with people that did it in a less expensive but not OEM-like manner. On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Randall wrote: >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race >> group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but > isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to > have fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota > and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > _______________________________________________ From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Feb 10 14:17:40 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:17:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <4991EEF4.4020100@pobox.com> Don't some of the GT6 vintage racers use a TR456 gearbox? How difficult is that to do? Seems like that would be the best solution to Bobby's problem. Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably >> reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. >> > > The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, > even with TR7 internals, is night and day... > > chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 15:51:53 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:51:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] CRC race car pics In-Reply-To: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1774215927.574348.1234288993801.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2C8FAFE3-EEC4-4131-9681-89A09895B2E1@bnj.com> We have some nice race car pics up but no street cars yet. http://www.crclassic.com/?page_id=7 I pretty much have the go-ahead for the autocross, now I just need to arrange it. We'll probably have it on Monday and it will be right in the paddock. the All British Field Meet clears out on Sunday night, leaving a perfect area clear. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Feb 10 16:38:44 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> Yeah, I'm for that. Then I could run my 240 hp Honda powered Spit! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race group > allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and > acknowledge the swap. I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but isn't that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to have fun with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota and call it a Triumph. If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... Randall Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 16:57:47 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> References: <20090210125731.6UII0.195859.root@mp05> <01eb01c98bb7$a563ffc0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> <675C17FA83EF46268973063BE9681FA0@joepentiumnew> Message-ID: <00BDF099-A87B-4450-8491-A5D15EED7FEC@earthlink.net> Right!! And for the OEM clubs, I'm thinking about a TR8 engine in the back seat on my Herald convert - really got to do something with/to that thing. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Yeah, I'm for that. Then I could run my 240 hp Honda powered > Spit! :) > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:42 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > >> Frankly, I'm upset... seems if a national captioning vintage race >> group >> allows the 5 speed conversion, other groups should come around and >> acknowledge the swap. > > I'm kind of an outsider here, so no particular axe to grind ... but > isn't > that why they call it "vintage" racing? I thought the goal was to > have fun > with old cars; not bolt some reproduction sheet metal to a Toyota > and call > it a Triumph. > > If any 5-speed will do, why not any 4-cylinder? Etc... > > Randall > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 18:33:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:33:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> References: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> Message-ID: <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. Maybe even a radio. You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" > Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- > vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) > E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net > URL : > Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? > queryinput=216.175.115.151 > Comment: > Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow > cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA > which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll > be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! > > Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? > > You can see all comments on this post here: > http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 18:38:10 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:38:10 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> References: <0e2951c58b003aca1902b0720147e000@www.crclassic.com> <79E4411A-CA69-42F2-A97F-DB58B63798AD@bnj.com> Message-ID: Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > Maybe even a radio. > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> URL : >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 >> Comment: >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >> >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >> >> You can see all comments on this post here: >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From igofaster at charter.net Tue Feb 10 21:51:59 2009 From: igofaster at charter.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:51:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 5 speed gearbox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090210235159.25ALY.465909.root@mp19> seems if a national "captioning" vintage race group allows > the 5 speed conversion..., darn spell check... dang , I may not contribute on a daily basis, but I sure can stir the mud, huh??? Thanks Bob "Fireball" Kramer.... yeah I know.... OEM by CVAR rules... I've beat this horse to death... I guess the T50 will go on a street GT6 once I get Barbra's TR6 back on the road... GREAT NEWS.... Gary Fuqua secured tickets for the VIP dinner @ the Mitty for me and him... Gary doesn't drink so I guess I'll have to drink for two!! Did successfully get the J type buttoned up tonight although I'm downright sick as a dog... Barbra came out and turned a few wrenches with me... whatta gal! Thank ya'll for the diatribe... really honored to be in the FoT! Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Yellow GT6+ From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Feb 10 23:07:36 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: >Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I can't. I remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome in car video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road America. I was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed a few "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the meeting about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules enforcement up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them and given to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as long as you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing or maybe disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was driving around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the money to get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old transmission. So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. Cheers, Henry Morrison From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 10 23:18:04 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:18:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> You crack me up Henry. I find myself agreeing with both sides in this debate, which usually either means I'm a Namby-Pamby indecisive sissy, or there are two plausible arguments. Personally I'm going to to stick with TR boxes, but it's mostly because I already spent all that money. On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, wrote: >> Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I >> can't. I > remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome > in car > video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road > America. I > was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed > a few > "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the > meeting > about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run > group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules > enforcement > up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them > and given > to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as > long as > you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing > or maybe > disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was > driving > around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the > money to > get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old > transmission. > So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > _______________________________________________ From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 23:24:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:24:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> The plot thickens!...It's the Law here in Sonoma. Ca....Mandatory wine consumption at 5pm..it's all about helping the economy. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > You crack me up Henry. I find myself agreeing with both sides in this > debate, which usually either means I'm a Namby-Pamby indecisive sissy, or > there are two plausible arguments. > > Personally I'm going to to stick with TR boxes, but it's mostly because I > already spent all that money. > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:07 PM, wrote: > >>> Oh my, how can I stay out of this? After one glass of wine, I can't. >>> I >> remember this VMC meeting where there was a bunch of really awesome in >> car >> video of a bunch of coke bottle vettes going up in smoke at Road >> America. I >> was happy no one was seriously injured in the fray, but disappointed a >> few >> "vintage Pintos" were not consumed. There was a lot of talk at the >> meeting >> about trying to get the overprepped/over updated cars out of the run >> group/event. I think this caused the VSCDA to tighten their rules >> enforcement >> up for the upcoming season, but the race was pulled away from them and >> given >> to the SVRA, the guys who are now allowing more updates, I guess as long >> as >> you're wearing your HANS device. Call me crazy, I find this amusing or >> maybe >> disturbing is a better word. In the old days, part of the deal was >> driving >> around the limitations of the cars. I would think if ya got all the >> money to >> get 130 HP out of your engine, you can afford to fix your old >> transmission. >> So........put that in yer pipe and smoke it. >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Wed Feb 11 04:51:08 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:51:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <261DC526-973F-4C39-BC00-1C96FCACBB4D@bnj.com> <0B90686A8C3E440D815977C145B85155@Bud> Message-ID: <4362ae390902110351t7756bdf7ta7ea8239ade4d079@mail.gmail.com> POV from the non-racer/wannabe racer. I put a Ford T9 5 speed into the GT6 in 2006. http://www.gt6.ca/5speed/index.html I love it, no regrets. Did it take away from the GT6? No. Did it add valve. Depends on your stance on modifications. I did my swap based on knowing I wanted an OD/5th gear and after reading several sites, the 5 Speed option was not much more then a whole new 4spd and OD. Plus in 10 yrs I'll be able to service it easier. Finding an OD kit might be tough. Back to the vintage racing. I wonder if this will lead down a slippery slope. IE, if you have a good car which your pretty competitive with. You maybe be forced to keep up with the "Jones." Yes I know some people don't mind putting the money down and rightfully so that 5 speed boxes are much more capable of dealing with the power and conditions of a racer... Good bang for the buck it you will... BUT... The divide between the vintage racer and "super" vintage racer grows further and further... And you know what comes next eh... Ok, new more robust gear box. MORE POWER. Hmm why do I keep having drive line failures. Subrau diff? That's my early morning take. I will have too see what the VARAC guys come back with. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 08:43:57 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM To: Bill Babcock Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > Maybe even a radio. > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> URL : >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 >> Comment: >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >> >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >> >> You can see all comments on this post here: >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Feb 11 08:50:30 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:50:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> Message-ID: Once again I will mount the soap box. No you can't see both sides of the argument. It is merely a choice made by racers between what is right, and what is convenient (and what will propel them to the front of the grid the quickest). To vintage race, I believe you must agree with the idea that "racing was better in the old days". This is how the first people started vintage racing as a way to bring old, outclassed cars back on to the track. They looked at the SCCA, said Yuk, and started their own deal. I know people who have come to the track one weekend, bought a car and entered the next, have not gone through this thought process and yet wonder why they can't enter in their Miata. These folks need good strong rules and encouragement from their peers to realize that it is far better to spend endless time speculating on electrical theory to finally experience the joy and sense of acomplishment of their electric overdrive actually engaging. While sticking a five speed in your Spitfire may not seriously affect your car's value, I offer this challenge, go to Scottsdale next year and buy one of those restored Austin Healeys, stick a 289 in it, and then see if you can get Caroll Shelby to sign it enough times to ever get your $90 grand back. What I mean by this is I go to a lot of work to bring a reasonably period correct and interesting car to the track and drive it. I expect everyone else to do the same. The idea that Vintage event organizers should welcome whatever car shows up in whatever kind of condition, is just racing socialism..........................Henry Morrison (big ring of pipe smoke exits mouth) From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Feb 11 08:53:56 2009 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:53:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: MORE rules? Do I have to PROVE I'm from this planet? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like >> this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules >> of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are >> allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue >> other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. >> >> Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo >> that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the >> street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license >> plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. >> Maybe even a radio. >> >> You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: >> >>> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >>> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >>> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >>> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >>> URL : >>> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? >>> queryinput=216.175.115.151 >>> Comment: >>> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >>> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >>> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >>> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >>> >>> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >>> >>> You can see all comments on this post here: >>> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 08:56:37 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:56:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <16D8FB87-A27A-4C29-9FD6-7B427BCEF536@bnj.com> Well, some people may have to quickly convert their street triumphs to race cars. I'd guess there might currently be 200 racing Triumphs. On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 09:06:35 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:06:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <13036056.1234291412706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7F2D1272-225B-4BAE-9CE9-B83E14805A0B@charter.net> Message-ID: <1CEE5287-B03E-422B-AE03-AC290A1A192E@bnj.com> Henry, have you been watching old reruns of Boston Legal? You're sounding suspiciously like the James Spader character. Of course that would have to be cigar smoke, not pipe, and scotch not wine. On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:50 AM, wrote: > Once again I will mount the soap box. No you can't see both sides > of the > argument. It is merely a choice made by racers between what is > right, and > what is convenient (and what will propel them to the front of the > grid the > quickest). > > To vintage race, I believe you must agree with the idea that "racing > was > better in the old days". This is how the first people started > vintage racing > as a way to bring old, outclassed cars back on to the track. They > looked at > the SCCA, said Yuk, and started their own deal. > > I know people who have come to the track one weekend, bought a car > and entered > the next, have not gone through this thought process and yet wonder > why they > can't enter in their Miata. These folks need good strong rules and > encouragement from their peers to realize that it is far better to > spend > endless time speculating on electrical theory to finally experience > the joy > and sense of acomplishment of their electric overdrive actually > engaging. > > While sticking a five speed in your Spitfire may not seriously > affect your > car's value, I offer this challenge, go to Scottsdale next year and > buy one of > those restored Austin Healeys, stick a 289 in it, and then see if > you can get > Caroll Shelby to sign it enough times to ever get your $90 grand back. > > What I mean by this is I go to a lot of work to bring a reasonably > period > correct and interesting car to the track and drive it. I expect > everyone else > to do the same. The idea that Vintage event organizers should welcome > whatever car shows up in whatever kind of condition, is just racing > socialism..........................Henry Morrison (big ring of pipe > smoke > exits mouth) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 10:31:47 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:31:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902110931n47e1e4dfvc0b7c12ec52762ba@mail.gmail.com> Between England, Europe, US and Australia I would guess it is around 300-400. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > > > SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like > > this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules > > of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are > > allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue > > other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. > > > > Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo > > that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the > > street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license > > plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. > > Maybe even a radio. > > > > You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. > > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: > > > >> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" > >> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- > >> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) > >> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >> URL : > >> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=216.175.115.151 > >> Comment: > >> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow > >> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA > >> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll > >> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! > >> > >> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? > >> > >> You can see all comments on this post here: > >> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From britbits at netzero.com Wed Feb 11 10:53:36 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:53:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200902101827.n1AIRPbn011726@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kantarjiev Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9H5xz99YcZbxLhpV9ZjHhtLOLBgnmMhi47pWsSKkBAvXZrk/ From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 11:28:27 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:28:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems (was SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!) In-Reply-To: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Message-ID: >From my experience running a GT6 box in a Spitfire, the two biggest problems are the looooong throw from 2nd to 3rd and the slow synchro's, but those are problems relating to lap times. The only mechanical problems I've had with the box are related to the 3rd gear retaining clip (always install a new one) and tearing up synchros. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Kantarjiev Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > I certainly favor it, though I've managed to have a reasonably > reliable TR4-based box using quaife dog-engagement straight cut gears. The difference in reliability between a TR gearbox and a GT6 gearbox, even with TR7 internals, is night and day... chris Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Click to learn how to become a world famous writer or poet. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9H5xz99YcZbxLhpV9ZjHhtL OLBgnmMhi47pWsSKkBAvXZrk/ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 11:51:19 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:51:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] interesting video oon Failure from Honda Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> Came across this today -- encouraging given all the failures my attempts to race have presented: http://dreams.honda.com/#/video_fa -- Chuck Arnold From KENMUN at aol.com Wed Feb 11 14:02:44 2009 From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:02:44 EST Subject: [Fot] tr6 o.d./gearbox assembly Message-ID: i'm having problems getting the "a" type o.d. unit back on the gearbox.the unit slides on fairly free until the last 1/2" where it gets stuck. the gearbox is standing on its nose for assembly. the female splines inside the od are lined up and the cam is not yet near the pump roller. i took the od off to do gearbox work and everything in side is the same as when it was removed. any suggestions? thanks, ken m. tr3 racer **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From britbits at netzero.com Wed Feb 11 16:10:32 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems expanded In-Reply-To: References: <000001c98c71$ab12aa10$f5513542@jrg> Message-ID: <003901c98c9d$f1211100$a6503542@jrg> And... Are the single rail gearboxes any better than the three rail? Anyone on list running a single rail in their Spitfire/GT6? I remember at one point Kas has said the 3 synchro 3 rails had bushings on the laygear, which held up better than the needle bearings. If it's all covered in one of Kas's books then I guess I should put my money where my keyboard is ;) Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norlin Engineering Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:28 PM To: britbits at netzero.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6 Gearbox problems (was SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion!) >From my experience running a GT6 box in a Spitfire, the two biggest >problems are the looooong throw from 2nd to 3rd and the slow synchro's, but those are problems relating to lap times. The only mechanical problems I've had with the box are related to the 3rd gear retaining clip (always install a new one) and tearing up synchros. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Out of curiousity, what's the weak(est) link in the Spitfire/GT6 gearbox? Mainshaft bearings? Laygear needles? ?? Cheers, Jim Dallas ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save time, money, and hassles on your paving project. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryA0l1g0aCIezVt7F6KhWewlHfHTa7AsWzLesHjPfmurYOp8O/ From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 11 18:41:23 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] interesting video oon Failure from Honda In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0902111051k5436aff5l71609f3dece4bfde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I drive a Honda street car for a reason, and it's not the great gas mileage. Terry Stetler From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 11 22:10:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:10:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tr6 o.d./gearbox assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090212051058.B2DE0187676@autox.team.net> I always have the problem. I suspect that the female splines inside the OD aren't totally lined up, that's what usually stops me 1/2" from being done. I have a junk mainshaft that I've ground bevels onto the splines to use to line them up. There are two sets of splines that go over the mainshaft, and it helps to pull the clutch mechanism inside the OD apart to free the two splines up, and then mash it back together before assembly. I forget if you have to pull up on the little cross bars over the pistons in the OD, or push them down to release the internal clutch slightly. - Tony Drews At 03:02 PM 2/11/2009, KENMUN at aol.com wrote: >i'm having problems getting the "a" type o.d. unit back on the gearbox.the >unit slides on fairly free until the last 1/2" where it gets stuck. >the gearbox > is standing on its nose for assembly. the female splines inside the od are >lined up and the cam is not yet near the pump roller. i took the od >off to do >gearbox work and everything in side is the same as when it was removed. >any suggestions? thanks, ken m. tr3 racer >**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy >Awards. AOL Music takes you there. >(http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Feb 11 22:27:09 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Message-ID: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes - Tony D From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 22:44:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:44:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: thanks Tony....It's terrific...not sexist at all....She is a good looking woman..and..a great race driver.....it would be sexist to Ignore that fact....It's a Triumph of sorts! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick > was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, > honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > - Tony D > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 11 23:48:22 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:48:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: That's terrible, awful, horrible... there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the paint!!! On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of > this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > - Tony D > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From andre at gt6.ca Thu Feb 12 04:21:52 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:21:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> #22 is my fav. Nothing against Danica, but that is a great shot. A. 2009/2/12 Bill Babcock > That's terrible, awful, horrible... > > there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the > paint!!! > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching > > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of > > this... > > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes > > > > - Tony D > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Thu Feb 12 04:22:32 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:22:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> <4362ae390902120321id5846bck3e840270cab75230@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902120322g32268f21h197f4a307f991b9d@mail.gmail.com> And is that an fresh oil spot on the ground? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/09_danica-patrick_22.html 2009/2/12 Andre Rousseau > #22 is my fav. > Nothing against Danica, but that is a great shot. > > A. > > 2009/2/12 Bill Babcock > > That's terrible, awful, horrible... >> >> there is metal on that bikini--can you imagine what that did to the >> paint!!! >> >> On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >> >> > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica >> > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching >> > for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of >> > this... >> > >> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes >> > >> > - Tony D >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> Bill Babcock >> Babcock & Jenkins >> Billb at bnj.com >> 503.936.7660 >> www.bnj.com >> >> Editor >> Ke Nalu e-Magazine >> Paddlesurfing's Web Journal >> >> Bill at kenalu.com >> www.kenalu.com >> blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Feb 12 07:41:30 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:41:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=yes Too skinny. :-0 > - Tony D rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Feb 12 08:20:01 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:20:01 EST Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Message-ID: In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > Too skinny. > Too skinny for what? Bill (Damdinger) ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 12 08:27:52 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:27:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, > lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > >> Too skinny. >> > > Too skinny for what? > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. AOL Music takes you there. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 12 08:50:15 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Photo 22 of 34: And who noticed that little dimple just below her right knee? I wonder if she has to hold herself centered in the cockpit by knee-bracing herself like we garden variety drivers do. RT -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:28 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, > lang at isis.mit.edu writes: > > >> Too skinny. >> > > Too skinny for what? From deanesr at uncw.edu Thu Feb 12 08:52:46 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:52:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] {FOT} Not Triumph related Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E0945127F44A9C8@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Looks so good from where I sit I may have to start watching more Indy Racing. Rob Deanes TR-4 Racer From Billb at bnj.com Thu Feb 12 08:53:32 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:53:32 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That skinny little body has paid some dues that most of those ladies in beach attire would never comprehend. I bet there's more than just dimples. On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:50 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Photo 22 of 34: > > And who noticed that little dimple just below her right knee? I > wonder if > she has to hold herself centered in the cockpit by knee-bracing > herself like > we garden variety drivers do. > > RT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:28 AM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... > > Cold winter nights? I bet her feet are like little icicles. > > On Feb 12, 2009, at 5:20 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 02/12/2009 8:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, >> lang at isis.mit.edu writes: >> >> >>> Too skinny. >>> >> >> Too skinny for what? >> >> > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From cofrog at q.com Thu Feb 12 09:30:09 2009 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:30:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: OMG Tony. More non-Triumph related posts! > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:27:09 -0600> To: fot at autox.team.net> From: tony at tonydrews.com> Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica > Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for > this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this...> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=ye s> > - Tony D> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:21:46 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > That skinny little body has paid some dues that most of those ladies > in beach attire would never comprehend. I bet there's more than just > dimples. Absolutely! There's talent and smarts inside that gorgeous package... My, how times have changed... It was shocking for some just a few years ago to just see Janet Guthrie and Lynn St. James in Nomex... You go girl! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From alleycatrace at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 10:51:18 2009 From: alleycatrace at gmail.com (Daryll Clark) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:51:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oversized Water Pump Pulley for TR3 Message-ID: I am in need of an oversized water pump pulley for my TR3A race car. Anybody know where to get one? Daryll Clark From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Feb 12 11:08:42 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:08:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" In-Reply-To: References: <36BA0CAA5B8141BB842B8848BEC43CE0@Desktop> Message-ID: <000601c98d3c$f0d058b0$d2710a10$@com> Gee, Lunker, having spent some time with you and knowing what part of the country you're from and how close you are to "Area 51", I'm not sure you COULD prove you're from this planet! LOL Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg ''Lunker'' Hilyer Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:54 AM To: Craig Cc: 'Bill Babcock'; 'FOT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" MORE rules? Do I have to PROVE I'm from this planet? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: > How many Triumphs are racing on this planet? > Craig > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:38 PM > To: Bill Babcock > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] [Kastner Cup at the CRC] Comment: "Site Launch" > > > Incidentally, we have seven sets of race car pictures on the site in > two days. If we continue at that rate for the roughly 240 days > remaining before the race there will be 840 triumphs racing at the > CRC. > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> SOVREN has a very rational approach to their rules for events like >> this--they note the discrepancies between their rules and the rules >> of your usual racing organization and tell you about them. You are >> allowed to race with the understanding that if you plan to pursue >> other SOVREN events in the future you will work towards compliance. >> >> Yup, but it was at the Watkins Glen reenactment, a really nice photo >> that Randy DeRuiter shot. I DO plan to license Ambro 001 for the >> street, I have several old pictures that show it with a license >> plate. I think it will be very cool to have lights and a horn on it. >> Maybe even a radio. >> >> You have every reason to be excited, it's going to be a lot of fun. >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Steve Belfer wrote: >> >>> New comment on your post #1 "Site Launch" >>> Author : Steve Belfer (IP: 216.175.115.151 , user- >>> vcaussn.dsl.mindspring.com) >>> E-mail : colordog.1 at earthlink.net >>> URL : >>> Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl? >>> queryinput=216.175.115.151 >>> Comment: >>> Cool. Just reading through the SOVREN rule book, they don't allow >>> cross drilled brake rotors which my TR3 has. (It's okay with VARA >>> which seems to be a little more flexible in this area) Think it'll >>> be a problem? I'm getting excited about this event, can't wait! >>> >>> Did I just see a pic of the Peyote driving on the STREET!?? >>> >>> You can see all comments on this post here: >>> http://www.crclassic.com/?p=1#comments >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 11:02:12 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:02:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oversized Water Pump Pulley for TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902121002o472fcebpbe5ba1578f0abc3c@mail.gmail.com> See this ebay seller: http://stores.ebay.com/standard-performance On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Daryll Clark wrote: > I am in need of an oversized water pump pulley for my TR3A race car. > Anybody > know where to get one? > Daryll Clark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Feb 12 11:26:41 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:26:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> References: <20090212052757.2E8EF187676@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000c01c98d3f$73e47d60$5bad7820$@com> Hey Tony, thanks for the great photos and video of the 427 Cobra!! That girl kept getting in the way though. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y es - Tony D Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Feb 13 07:02:52 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:02:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, Bob is talking about the tires on the Cobra. Danica is perfect. I love her Fire, Passion and Determination. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM To: Tony Drews Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related... On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote: > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick was > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this... > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y es Too skinny. :-0 > - Tony D rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09 18:46:00 From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 13 09:32:25 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:32:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, honey. Thats my screensaver because I liked the car color. You shouldnt jumpt to conclusions like that. Jeeeze, I cant win... Marty> From: fasttrs at mindspring.com> To: lang at isis.mit.edu; tony at tonydrews.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:02:52 -0600> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > Guys, Bob is talking about the tires on the Cobra.> Danica is perfect. I love her Fire, Passion and Determination.> > Mike> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On> Behalf Of Robert Lang> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:42 AM> To: Tony Drews> Cc: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Not Triumph related...> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Tony Drews wrote:> > > At the risk of being sexist, I thought I'd pass this on - Danica Patrick> was > > linked to from www.cnn.com, I wasn't really searching for this, honest. > > Still, wow! The Honda thingy reminded me of this...> >> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009_swimsuit/models/danica-patrick/?bcnn=y> es> > Too skinny.> > :-0> > > - Tony D> > rml> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent> Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph!> Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 02/12/09> 18:46:00> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_02200 9 From dave at microworks.net Fri Feb 13 09:36:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Not Triumph related... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090213163703.7AC1218766F@autox.team.net> Anybody want a copy of SI signed by Danica? HeHe... A neighbor of mine owns a swimming pool service company and Danica is one of his clients. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Feb 13 11:58:38 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Just for Fun Message-ID: <2A4210B9F68F46C890FB94AC4DDA7B78@joepentiumnew> Take this Car Quiz http://www.cramersweeney.com/brandprix/ Joe C. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:46:43 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:46:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] help, please! Message-ID: <000601c98eaa$ac11ec10$6701a8c0@HP> Speaking of simple things, are the carb pistons free to seat. Did you make sure to release and center the jet on the needle before tightening the jet in place. If it binds and the piston does not seat, all you need is a rich mixture to get a fast idle... M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 14 06:56:44 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paint Codes Red Message-ID: <000801c98eac$12193210$6701a8c0@HP> Since I am rebuilding the engine, I thought I would repaint the engine compartment in advance of a repaint of the car in the next few years. I am absolutely dizzy with paint codes. I think I have found the PPG codes, but the correct red for each year back to 57 is quite sketchy. I painted the car in the early 80s but it turned out more orange red than the color the car was. What I have learned is that there is three potential colors Triumph Red (I think this is the orange-red color my car was painted) Signal Red Sunset Red Everyone I know is using printed color charts off the internet. Seems there are a lot of Signal Red '57s on the internet and left to my own devices I would probably choose that color. Any one else wrestle with this? Now I know what my wife went through picking her china pattern. I wish I could mine the gold they use in red these days to justify the cost of the paint!!! M From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Feb 14 07:22:26 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago area swap meet Message-ID: <4996D3A2.7000609@bright.net> Greetings list. Next Sunday, Feb. 22, is the Chicago British swap meet.We will be there with a booth, our usual spot in building #2. If anyone needs me to bring something to the meet, please let me know. Please have your order in by next Friday - packing and leaving on Saturday. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From budscars at comcast.net Sat Feb 14 18:59:06 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:59:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: [SVC] the doctor's office Message-ID: <27289477AF97443D93986975BB18AAEC@Bud> this is on topic because he drove there in a Triumph Racer Bud..spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Fw: [SVC] the doctor's office ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: [SVC] the doctor's office So the old man goes in for his usual checkup...The receptionist is always rude to him and embarrasses him greatly...This time he is prepared for her..... When he approaches the receptionist she blurts out loudly "Well Mr. Jones, I suppose you're having trouble with your bowel movements again"! He replies...."Nope..I'm here for a sex change operation, but I don't want the same doctor that did yours!" Racer Bud --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sonoma Valley Cyclists" group. To post to this group, send email to sonoma-valley-cyclists at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sonoma-valley-cyclists+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sonoma-valley-cyclists?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Feb 14 22:43:30 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:43:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bugeye Race Car for Sale Message-ID: <4997AB82.1010909@greenheart.com> Spotted this on Craig's List.... Just passing it along. Seems like a lot for the money. --Justin The 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye/Frogeye" Sprite, is a rust free car from California, originally raced in the 1960s in HP class, with SCCA in California. Recent restoration racing history with VARA (California) in FP class. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1025325527.html From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 15 08:27:49 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness Message-ID: <000801c98f81$f6853d10$6701a8c0@HP> I am not sure why but I can't for the life of me find the uncut thickness of a TR3 head which I know is in my documentation somewhere because I looked it up last summer. Does anyone have this dimension at their finger tips? Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Feb 15 08:36:50 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Seems like there ought to be a separate class for people with a stronger "Vintage" ethic but where do you draw the line? It always comes to shades of grey e.g. I-did-not-have-have-sex-with-THAT-woman. A true vintage specimine that blows up at 6500k and consumes all the vintage TR3 rods vs a Miata with a tr3 rear view mirror... ...from the peanut gallery... M From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 15 09:20:11 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:20:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness In-Reply-To: <000801c98f81$f6853d10$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <20090215162011.YCIK4162.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> > I am not sure why but I can't for the life of me find the > uncut thickness of a > TR3 head which I know is in my documentation somewhere > because I looked it up last summer. Does anyone have this > dimension at their finger tips? I think it depends on whether it's an early or late TR3. I have 3.330" for the later "high port" head. Randall From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 10:28:03 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:28:03 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: You know, there really is. The fact that a guy with a NASCAR Triumph finishes in front and you finish in the back doesn't change the situation. Almost all races lump racer classifications together, and people who want to win (like me) want to win overall, not win their class. I need to beat those Loti, Listers and Chapparals, regardless of the class they're in. I'm not racing against guys with stock Triumphs, I'm racing against guys who have done all that I have done, or all that has been done to their cars over the years. We're just on the track at the same time. I'm not foolish enough to think that i beat you, or to think it matters that Peyote is a lot faster than a "true vintage Triumph. It's always a question of who YOU beat, whether you've been having a duel with a guy in 23rd place all season, and finally passed him, or you beat the guy in second, who usually beats you. If we didn't want to win we wouldn't race. The fun is the same, the rewards are the same. The only difference is which demons drive the driver. And finally there are a few vintage organizations with very strict rules. They usually don't have enough members to run independently, so they operate at existing races run under other organizations. You can always start your own, and give out your own trophies, have your own award ceremony. And still have access to all the races anyone else does. In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. On Feb 15, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Seems like there ought to be a separate class for people with a > stronger > "Vintage" ethic but where do you draw the line? It always comes to > shades of > grey e.g. I-did-not-have-have-sex-with-THAT-woman. > > A true vintage specimine that blows up at 6500k and consumes all the > vintage > TR3 rods vs a Miata with a tr3 rear view mirror... > > ...from the peanut gallery... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Feb 15 11:31:51 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:31:51 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: In a message dated 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the > people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond > to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so > important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even > an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. > Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. > Amici... I follow and appreciate the points Babcock makes here. I can't speak for all 'people' and what they are doing, nor even just the VSCDA for that matter, but I can tell you that the VSCDA's 'era correct' program was started because a significant number of our members complained that we were ignoring our own long standing 'vintage' rules. As a matter of fact, an outgrowth of the 'era correct' program was actually a loosening of the rules via allowing Mod 1 and Mod 2 classifications in our production based Race Groups 2 and 8. Clearly those changes were liberal not conservative. But a problem always comes up whenever anyone decides to 'draw a line'. "We're going to draw the line HERE." When you do that...immediately someone asks, "Why did you draw it HERE? Why not draw it THERE?" As the long time Treasurer of the VSCDA (soon to step down, I might add), no one knows better than I the importance of filling out grids in order to make events financially successful. It is a must. But that doesn't have to be a problem. I have always felt that vintage racing is blessed because it does try to find a way to accommodate different levels of both preparation and even skill. And I would hasten to add that those folks dicing in the back of the pack are having just as much fun as those in the front. I often think about when I raced in the vintage sessions of the 12 Hours of Sebring a few years back. Because all the vintage cars run in one race group you can imagine there was a vast difference in performance through out the field. At one of the Driver's Meetings, Pendergast was chastising two Saab Sonnet racers for being two abreast on the track. He said, "No one wants to see two Saab Sonnets dicing at Sebring." I knew what he meant, and why he said it, but as a matter of fact, from a strict racing point of view those two Saabs may have been the closest dicing in the entire field. And while the front runners get most of the attention, such disparity is traditional in sports car road racing. The first overall winner at Sebring was a Crosley Hot Shot (a handicap'd race). Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 12:02:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:02:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: Message-ID: <28CF3CF5E58C401E9B64C210573D1B7C@Bud> It's not really all 'about the cars'...that's just what we're supposed to say.... It's a blend of the cars...the racing...the friendship....the ego.....lets face it...what % of our population does what we do?....it is really cool stuff ....we should be proud of ourselves for taking on the challenge....we are on the inside, so it's everyday life for us...there are many, many people out there who have the financial means and the time and skills available ..who would like to be a race driver...but just don't have that special something that gets them out on the track.....I'ts not for your average person! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > In a message dated 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> In general what people are talking about here is getting rid of the >> people that want to run at the far reaches of the rulebook and beyond >> to let the purists run without them. I wonder why that is so >> important? If it's really "all about the cars" then why is this even >> an issue? I maintain that you need to be careful what you wish for. >> Twenty racers can't rent a racetrack these days. >> > > Amici... > > I follow and appreciate the points Babcock makes here. I can't speak for > all > 'people' and what they are doing, nor even just the VSCDA for that matter, > but I can tell you that the VSCDA's 'era correct' program was started > because a > significant number of our members complained that we were ignoring our own > long standing 'vintage' rules. As a matter of fact, an outgrowth of the > 'era > correct' program was actually a loosening of the rules via allowing Mod 1 > and Mod > 2 classifications in our production based Race Groups 2 and 8. Clearly > those > changes were liberal not conservative. But a problem always comes up > whenever anyone decides to 'draw a line'. "We're going to draw the line > HERE." When > you do that...immediately someone asks, "Why did you draw it HERE? Why > not > draw it THERE?" > > As the long time Treasurer of the VSCDA (soon to step down, I might add), > no > one knows better than I the importance of filling out grids in order to > make > events financially successful. It is a must. But that doesn't have to be > a > problem. I have always felt that vintage racing is blessed because it > does try > to find a way to accommodate different levels of both preparation and even > skill. And I would hasten to add that those folks dicing in the back of > the pack > are having just as much fun as those in the front. I often think about > when > I raced in the vintage sessions of the 12 Hours of Sebring a few years > back. > Because all the vintage cars run in one race group you can imagine there > was a > vast difference in performance through out the field. At one of the > Driver's > Meetings, Pendergast was chastising two Saab Sonnet racers for being two > abreast on the track. He said, "No one wants to see two Saab Sonnets > dicing at > Sebring." I knew what he meant, and why he said it, but as a matter of > fact, > from a strict racing point of view those two Saabs may have been the > closest > dicing in the entire field. And while the front runners get most of the > attention, such disparity is traditional in sports car road racing. The > first overall > winner at Sebring was a Crosley Hot Shot (a handicap'd race). > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > > ************** > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 12:34:53 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:34:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. I drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success is for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other guys; other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at about my speed. Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid for me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety stuff) just isn't part of my sport. I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man thing. Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has been very little control over who does what to their car. Richard From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 13:04:06 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:04:06 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out > there. I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are > seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest > success is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can > still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of > other guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run > at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? > No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no > limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out > of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a > grid for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the > manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause > driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than > safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an > old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past > there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 13:09:50 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. > I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success > is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other > guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid > for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 13:32:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:32:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: Too true. I've had people throw up in my car, I've had them cry, I've had to help them out and almost carry them to a bench, all while i was "taking it easy' and just showing them the track, and maybe dicing a little with someone "just for fun". Really. Throw up. In my old 355-- one reason why I got a 360. Of course when I sit in the passenger seat I do all three. A good reason not to give me a ride in your car. Here's a typical reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vY3QyVNto&feature=related On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race > Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get > the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than > the average spectator has a clue about!.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" > > To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Feb 15 13:35:49 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:35:49 EST Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Message-ID: My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:34:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 15 14:07:00 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390902151307s22bf8434r7837c2bde4d17468@mail.gmail.com> AWESOME! One day... One day... A. 2009/2/15 > My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved > Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, > > His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 15 14:11:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:11:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Racing speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep - there are some people who won't never do a run with me again. They are always surprised how fast these slow cars are when you sit in and have 4 wheels off the ground. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Februar 2009 21:36 An: budscars at comcast.net; tarch at bellsouth.net; Billb at bnj.com; markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! My good friend Tom Grossman took a lot of stick for racing his beloved Datsun 1200, Pokey cuz it was orange, His response was always "faster than a set of bleachers..." In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:34:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average spectator has a clue about!.. Racer Bud **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusye lp00000003) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 14:22:28 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <360B1EBFE56A4FEBAF5DE539EF17B7F9@Bud> there's nothin' like being a passenger in a race car going over a blind hill/curve..wooohoo! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "RACER BUD" Cc: "Richard Taylor" ; "'Mark Eginton'" ; Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Too true. I've had people throw up in my car, I've had them cry, I've had > to help them out and almost carry them to a bench, all while i was > "taking it easy' and just showing them the track, and maybe dicing a > little with someone "just for fun". Really. Throw up. In my old 355-- > one reason why I got a 360. Of course when I sit in the passenger seat I > do all three. A good reason not to give me a ride in your car. > > Here's a typical reaction: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vY3QyVNto&feature=related > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:09 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race >> Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the >> picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the >> average spectator has a clue about!.. >> Racer Bud >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" > > >> To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" >> > > >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 15 14:23:59 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:23:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Message-ID: <4362ae390902151323m2ffc3a66u923035127f126ac1@mail.gmail.com> So what do you run? High octane pump fuel or race fuel? Huh huh huh. For that matter what does a race weekend run you? I'm desktop racing right now. Reading, making notes and figuring out what this dream will cost me. Dayton 500 is mind numbing :) A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 15 14:43:02 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:43:02 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP><13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> Message-ID: <521D01B8E0844FA488F38D417802BE27@KasPC> Nothing beats being on the right side of the pit wall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "Richard Taylor" ; "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > Hello Richard...you are racing....which means You are a Race > Driver!....Take a non-racer for a few hot laps...then they'll get the > picture....the slowest car out there is going Much faster than the average > spectator has a clue about!.. > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Taylor" > To: "'Bill Babcock'" ; "'Mark Eginton'" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > >> As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car >> spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him >> >> My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. >> I >> drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a >> Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are >> seldom >> for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success >> is >> for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a >> mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can >> still >> race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other >> guys; >> other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at >> about my speed. >> >> Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I >> could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to >> the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of >> an >> old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid >> for >> me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner >> that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. >> >> All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause >> driver's >> concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning >> bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety >> stuff) just isn't part of my sport. >> >> I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was >> Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man >> thing. >> >> Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has >> been very little control over who does what to their car. >> >> Richard >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 15:12:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:12:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fuel References: <4362ae390902151323m2ffc3a66u923035127f126ac1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my racing Spitfire i use leaded race fuel, approximetely 110-112 octane.....I think it's CRC...i get it from a guy who brings it to the races in drums..it has noticeably more punch than the Sunoco race gas...and....I have been told that the Sunoco has an additive that eats up fuel bladders.... I have also been told that Low Lead aviation gas has more lead than leaded race gas? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Rousseau" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Fuel > So what do you run? > High octane pump fuel or race fuel? > > Huh huh huh. > > For that matter what does a race weekend run you? > > I'm desktop racing right now. > Reading, making notes and figuring out what this dream will cost me. > > Dayton 500 is mind numbing :) > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 15:14:14 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: I'm 73. But let me tell you about the difference between 62 and 73. It's not exactly the book-match reverse of your first 11 years, but in some respects it's not far off. Ask some of the other old goats. As for passing the Mantle of Wisdom, don't hold your breath. Last year I earned second place in the regional ARHMA series in Vintage Motocross. I ride my old Maico 400 that I bought new in '73. And, yes, that feeling waiting for the gate to drop hasn't change one iota. As with the Triumph, my MO is to ride with persistence and make few mistakes. Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _____ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:04 PM To: Richard Taylor Cc: 'Mark Eginton'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out there. I drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are seldom for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest success is for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can still race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of other guys; other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run at about my speed. Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? No, I could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no limit to the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out of an old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a grid for me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the manner that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause driver's concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than safety stuff) just isn't part of my sport. I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an old man thing. Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past there has been very little control over who does what to their car. Richard Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 17:22:27 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:22:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Tony Rodriquez Message-ID: <5BE6F41433B046D1B246A2C273C9AA3C@Bud> ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: RACER BUD Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Fw: Tony Rodriquez Hello Gang... Tony is a very active Triumph guy out here....His dad was Alva Rodriques, who I bought my 1st Triumph racecar from in 1970 looks like Tony and his family need some help/support. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Karyn Gibbon To: David B Hammond Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: RE: Tony From: "David Riker" Date: February 10, 2009 7:11:10 PM GMT-07:00 To: Subject: [Spridgets] FYI Northern California Listers I know several of you have ventured to Chico, CA over the years for their All British Car Meet, that has been held pretty much without fail for the last 20 years. For the most part, the survival of the British Car scene in Chico and that meet pretty well owe it's existence to Tony Rodriguez, the long time owner of Economy Foriegn Car Parts, in Chico. This past month, Tony, who is only about 50 years old, was diagnosed with stage four cancerous brain tumors. The prognosis is not good, and at this time, I'm told Tony is physically doing ok, but is forgetfull and easily confused. Being self-employed, Tony has very limited health care insurance. He has a wife, and two sons, 17 and 21. I've witnessed the outpouring of good will from this list for strangers before, and am hoping I can rally some help, however small for Tony. I know that without his influence and help over the years, I probably would not have found or hung on to my love of LBC's. Can someone who has done this before advise me on how to set up a fund on his behalf? I've heard much complaints about PayPal, so I'm unsure if that is the route to go. Also, if you need to order any british car parts, his lone employee, Mike, is trying to keep the store open, as that is the family source of income. They source parts from all the usual places and then some. The business phone is 530-342-1821. Mike can ship anywhere. I'm sorry this is so jumbled up, but my thoughts are spinning a mile a minute. Tony has been a good friend. I've lost friends and relatives before, but never known ahead of time that it is coming. I'm two states away now and may not get to see him again. David Riker _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as wbmcleod at gmail.com http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/spridgets From billdentin at aol.com Sun Feb 15 17:49:18 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:49:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP><13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8CB5DE788BB2A18-FA0-20D8@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com> <<< Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were younger than me. >>> Bill... Richard probably doesn't know Diane, and how she's worn you out. Bill (Damdinger) From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 15 19:32:41 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:32:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: <000601c98f83$3864fd00$6701a8c0@HP> <13BCA0963503435A837E141F9C765BCD@richardiipc> <1A0F53F0-A232-4D10-B3AA-5CBF93E8AB63@bnj.com> Message-ID: How cool is that, I love Maicos. I still have my Yamaha 360 MX that I bought new in 74 (I think) On Feb 15, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Richard Taylor wrote: > Im 73. > > But let me tell you about the difference between 62 and 73. Its not > exactly the book-match reverse of your first 11 years, but in some > respects its not far off. Ask some of the other old goats. > > As for passing the Mantle of Wisdom, dont hold your breath. Last > year I earned second place in the regional ARHMA series in Vintage > Motocross. I ride my old Maico 400 that I bought new in 73. And, > yes, that feeling waiting for the gate to drop hasnt change one > iota. As with the Triumph, my MO is to ride with persistence and > make few mistakes. > > > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > 112 Krog St. Suite 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > tel: (404) 223-1313 > fax: (404) 223-1312 > mobile: (404) 660-4920 > www.taylor-architecture.com > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:04 PM > To: Richard Taylor > Cc: 'Mark Eginton'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! > > Jeez Richard, I'm 62. How old do you need to be to get perspective? > I'm waiting for the mantle of wisdom to fall on my shoulders, it > would be good to know when that might happen. I'd like to prepare > for it. Incidentally, somehow I always had the notion that you were > younger than me. > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: > > > As a venerated representative of the opposite end of the prepared-car > spectrum from Babcock, I can say that I totally agree with him > > My ole #196 is as close to a first derivative TR-4 as there is out > there. I > drive it to the track with roll up windows, heater, turn signals and a > Georgia Tech license plate. And the trophies I add to the shelf are > seldom > for being the fastest. Enduros are my forte and much of my modest > success is > for simply finishing without a mistake. It's amazing how dependable a > mildly-pumped, 125HP TR-4 is. But, as Bill points out so well, I can > still > race as hard as I know how. But it's against my select group of > other guys; > other guys, frequently in other marks, who for what ever reason, run > at > about my speed. > > Now do I hold a grudge because another TR has a Tojo transmission? > No, I > could care less. The way I look at it is that there is almost no > limit to > the time/expense one can go to to squeeze another Joule of juice out > of an > old Triumph. So I say, have at it. As long as there is a spot in a > grid for > me to line up in and race my car to the best of my ability in the > manner > that gives me great satisfaction, I'm happy. > > All this said another way: I appreciate the be-true-to-your-cause > driver's > concern, and I respect the efforts and difficulties of the sanctioning > bodies, but slicing and dicing rule book restrictions (other than > safety > stuff) just isn't part of my sport. > > I will also add that there was a time many years ago (maybe when I was > Babcock's age) when I didn't feel this way. So maybe it's just an > old man > thing. > > Admittedly, however, my view may be tainted because in the past > there has > been very little control over who does what to their car. > > Richard > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From dos_gusanos at msn.com Sun Feb 15 21:59:51 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:59:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple of problems in all this. I know that some folks see a slow car as a guy who may be enjoying a piece of automotive history. That aint everybody. 1. In New Mexico where I should be racing, lack of entries has driven organizers to allow flares and slicks to run in the "vintage races". Where do you draw the line? Anywhere? Should I now put slicks on? Screw the five speed 8" wide rims will do a lot better than that. 2. Vintage racing is about a passion for racing old cars that have been passed on by the march of technology. Yes there has to be financial viability but this doesn't mean selling out. I will pay more and travel farther to go to a quality event rather than hang around town to go to my lowest cost alternative. 3. Vintage racing periodicals celebrate those who violate the vintage spirit by describing the exploits of the guys who win the races. These reports are never interspersed with comments like "but he was cheating with flares and slicks". 4. I hear spectators and drivers of fast cars complaining about slower cars, making comments like "why's that guy even out there?" "or he shold have someone walking in front of him waving a red flag". Hmmmm what else? I'm sure I've heard more. It's not a situation wheree everybody's in love with each other. 5. The most enjoyable events I have been to are where the playing field is a little more level. the field doesn't get so spread out and ther is not as much lapping. Just another fvive cents worth, Henry Morrison From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 22:10:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:10:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! References: Message-ID: Hi Henry.... I think that a National governing group will work....Due to the economical mess right now...It's not currently feasable....but...It's a Perfect time to start building the infrastructure.....when grids are thin...no hurry....and lots of time to do it right.... It has now begun Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] SVRA allows 5 speed transmission conversion! >A couple of problems in all this. I know that some folks see a slow car as >a > guy who may be enjoying a piece of automotive history. That aint > everybody. > > 1. In New Mexico where I should be racing, lack of entries has driven > organizers to allow flares and slicks to run in the "vintage races". > Where do > you draw the line? Anywhere? Should I now put slicks on? Screw the five > speed 8" wide rims will do a lot better than that. 2. Vintage racing is > about a passion for racing old cars that have been passed on by the march > of > technology. Yes there has to be financial viability but this doesn't mean > selling out. I will pay more and travel farther to go to a quality event > rather than hang around town to go to my lowest cost alternative. > > 3. Vintage racing periodicals celebrate those who violate the vintage > spirit > by describing the exploits of the guys who win the races. These reports > are > never interspersed with comments like "but he was cheating with flares and > slicks". > > 4. I hear spectators and drivers of fast cars complaining about slower > cars, > making comments like "why's that guy even out there?" "or he shold have > someone walking in front of him waving a red flag". Hmmmm what else? > I'm > sure I've heard more. It's not a situation wheree everybody's in love > with > each other. > > 5. The most enjoyable events I have been to are where the playing field > is a > little more level. the field doesn't get so spread out and ther is not as > much lapping. > > Just another fvive cents worth, Henry Morrison > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Feb 16 08:09:31 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:09:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Message-ID: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm From dave at microworks.net Mon Feb 16 08:52:23 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bunch of LBC being sold Message-ID: <20090216155443.D1F0C187650@autox.team.net> And old friend of mine is selling a bunch of his cars. Including this restored Triumph Vanguard that he has listed on eBay. His phone number is listed below. Please contact him and not me as I have no further info... >Click here: eBay Motors: Triumph (item 120378231389 end time >Feb-20-09 14:43:33 PST) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1956-Triumph-Standard-Vanguard-3-Sportsman_W0QQitemZ120378231389QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item120378231389&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 The rest of the cars... 1956 TRIUMPH VANGUARD SPORTSMAN 4 DOOR SALOON. TR-3 ENGINE, 3 SPEED ON THE TREE WITH OVERDRIVE IN SECOND AND THIRD, BEAUTIFUL RED AND SILVER PAINT, LEATHER INTERIOR, TOTALLY RARE, UNIQUE, AND COOL! THIS WAS THE NEW YORK SHOW CAR IN 1956! TONS OF PAPERS, DOCUMENTS. AND SOME SPARES. $8500 FIRM. PHILIP, 602 376 1868 1978 TRIUMPH SPITFIRE. NICE RED PAINT, 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION WITH DESIREABLE OVERDRIVE, NEW WHITE WALL TIRES, NICE INTERIOR, ADJUSTABLE REAR AIR SHOCKS, 120K MILES, NEW CLUTCH. INCLUDES TONNEAU COVER AND PARADE BOOT. 99.9 % RUST FREE, A REALLY NICE SPITFIRE! ASKING $6500 FIRM. PHILIP 602 376 1868 1977 TRUIMPH TR-7 COUPE. 66K MILES, BRG, 5 SPEED, AND FACTORY AIR CONDITIONING THAT ACTUALLY WORKS! THIS TRIUMPH WAS IN LAUGHLIN AT TRIUMPH FEST LAST YEAR. ONE OF THE BEST ONES LEFT! ASKING $4000 FIRM. PHILIP 602 376 1868 1964 MG MIDGET ROAD RACER OR DRAG CAR. SPEEDWELL FIBERGLASS BONNETT, ROLL BAR, 1380 CC, STRAIGHT CUT CLOSE RATIO GEAR BOX, 4.87 REAR PUMPKIN, FIRE BOTTLE, AUTOMETER GUAGES, INCREDIBLY FAST! CURRENTLY SET UP AS A STRAIGHT LINE CAR, IT WOULD TAKE A WEEKEND OR SO TO CONVERT TO A ROAD COURSE RACER. THOUSANDS INVESTED, ASKING $7000 FIRM. PHILIP 602 376 1868 From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Feb 16 09:04:32 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:04:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor-Points Message-ID: <20090216160452.B87E518765B@autox.team.net> I know we touched on this subject before but I neglected to write it down. I am installing a Mallory mechanical dual point distributor in my TR6 racecar project. I know the stock TR6 distributor points are set at .015 but aren't the Mallory dual points set differently? If anyone could please review this with me I'd appreciate it. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 38894 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Feb 16 09:25:59 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <242158.68735.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, but it wasn't kinetic energy...it was an additional burst of fuel which you were carrying anyway. They said it gives an additional 85 h.p. I'm curious if it's occasional use is worth the additional weight and complexity.With less down-force it may be limited to short bursts down straights. -Ed- --- On Mon, 2/16/09, MadMarx wrote: From: MadMarx Subject: AW: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, "'FOT'" Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:16 AM This "push to pass" will be an interesting thing for F1. Remembers me to Champ cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:10 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cwn74 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 09:24:53 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Going green? I'd like to see the FIA measure fuel consumption in each F1 car and at the end of the race add/subtract time based on fuel economy and thus shuffle the finishing results! Added drama for the crowd to hang around at the end! I used to work F1 at the Glen, Detroit and Dallas GPs and attended every one in Montreal (and 2 at Silverstone) till I stopped with 2007. Enough is enough. I'm going to the Mitty at Road Atlanta (where I worked the final 19 SCCA runoffs there, '75-'94) in May! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 16 09:16:11 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This "push to pass" will be an interesting thing for F1. Remembers me to Champ cars. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Montag, 16. Februar 2009 16:10 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Group: Completely off topic With the outcry after last years season ending decisions F1 is going to have some really interesting rule changes. They even attempt to go green. How many teams will remain running at the end of the season? Will this make everyone drive like a drivers ed course? Perhaps we should make them run on DOT rated tires? Who here will watch? http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Sebastian-Vettel-explains_635970.htm Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 11:54:43 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:54:43 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Message-ID: As usual, "Green F1" is a demonstration, not a reality. Analogous to people driving their Prius to the airport. The infield at F1 is where the fuel gets used. Here in Maui I do standup paddle surfing, and I've started racing my board in distance events. The Maui to Molokai race is coming up. What could be more green than a bunch of people on surfboards and outrigger canoes paddling across the channel. Well perhaps the fact that each paddler needs a chase boat casts little pall on that. It would be far more "green" to load everyone into the superferry and blast across the channel. On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:24 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Going green? > I'd like to see the FIA measure fuel consumption in each F1 car and > at the > end of the race add/subtract time based on fuel economy and thus > shuffle the > finishing results! From REK46 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 11:56:59 2009 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:56:59 EST Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? Message-ID: watch out for green sharks ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=6 68072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=febemailfooterNO62) From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 12:09:51 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:09:51 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2009 F1 Season...worth watching? In-Reply-To: References: <894481.73887.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c99053$197d30d0$4c779270$@com> Message-ID: <6739C3FF-6D54-49D5-B9D1-9EC2A74BA31F@bnj.com> Incidentally, I think next season in F1 is going to be spectacular. The looming financial issues or reduced sponsorship dollars is probably the biggest concern. It could break F1's back. On Feb 16, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > As usual, "Green F1" is a demonstration, not a reality. Analogous to > people driving their Prius to the airport. The infield at F1 is > where the fuel gets used. > > Here in Maui I do standup paddle surfing, and I've started racing my > board in distance events. The Maui to Molokai race is coming up. > What could be more green than a bunch of people on surfboards and > outrigger canoes paddling across the channel. Well perhaps the fact > that each paddler needs a chase boat casts little pall on that. It > would be far more "green" to load everyone into the superferry and > blast across the channel. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Feb 16 19:04:21 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From mlcooknj at msn.com Mon Feb 16 19:06:32 2009 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. Mike Cook> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] What car is this?> > Hi all!> > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg> > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name.> > Thanks for any help!> > Susan :)> > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." **> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > http://www.fot-racing.com> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 19:08:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:08:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:10:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:10:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> Gogomobile? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:15:01 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:15:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <1D046E6E711F4B20817323436CB28BB9@Bud> It looks kind of ...BORGWARDISH... Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:17:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:17:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <07695F29E706410FAFEFF81B8BA76BE9@Bud> Just one polite bit of advice Susan...If that car looks familiar you'd better start being careful of who you hang out with! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billdentin at aol.com Mon Feb 16 19:15:53 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <8CB5EBCCB8A75B9-EFC-25D5@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> <<< Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. >>> Gosh! I've always been Pro-Life until I saw that. Bill (Damdinger) From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Feb 16 19:19:30 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:19:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> Message-ID: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Brutsch Mopetta, circa 1958. Do I win a prize? Cheers, Kurt O. (Who is 6'-4", 260lbs and used to drive a '64 Mini) RACER BUD wrote: > Gogomobile? > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11770 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:20:59 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <669AF91D3364466C89D6A19D8CBD4AD3@Bud> now you've done it Susan..I have made it my desktop background....just when i thought I might become normal! Thanks for saving me! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is > smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 16 19:22:47 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:22:47 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Message-ID: wow, I looked in the Microcar Museum site but didn't find it for some reason. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Brutsch Mopetta Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:24:09 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:24:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <8CB5EBCCB8A75B9-EFC-25D5@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <655A8408CA384DDF8C79E518312674AC@Bud> we need more of this stuff...I'm gonna send it to my bicycling group..maybe they will get a sense of humor from it. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > <<< Simple, it's the offspring of your Amphicar and Isetta. >>> > > Gosh! I've always been Pro-Life until I saw that. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 19:27:50 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:27:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: Brutsch Mopetta I think there were only 14 made. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Susan Kahler Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:04 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 02/15/09 18:09:00 From tedtsimx at bright.net Mon Feb 16 19:37:25 2009 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:37:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <499A22E5.1070903@bright.net> This may be what happens when 5 speeds are not allowed. Ted Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00 From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 19:41:20 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:41:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <499A22E5.1070903@bright.net> Message-ID: <57E5CFAEBA9646D59CBD7D99623DD2F1@Bud> I think i was behind one of those on the pace lap at a recent race..It looks slow....but...look carefully and you'll see the slot where the Wings come out! Racer bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > This may be what happens when 5 speeds are not allowed. Ted > > > > Susan Kahler wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: >> 02/16/09 18:31:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fasttrs at mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 19:42:49 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here it is http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html Bruce also has a TR6 that has 30 miles on it. I was there a couple of years ago when he took delivery on a McLaren F1. If any of you go to The Mitty this year you may want to plan an extra day trip down to his museum. It is a few miles south of Madison Georgia. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:23 PM To: Kurt Oblinger Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? wow, I looked in the Microcar Museum site but didn't find it for some reason. http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/mopetta.html On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Brutsch Mopetta Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 02/15/09 18:09:00 From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Feb 16 19:47:49 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:47:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <499A2555.1050009@greenheart.com> http://www.automotivechronicles.com/articles/2005/dec/02/images/dale-cartoon.jpg --Justin From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Feb 16 19:59:28 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> <0FE4B690447E4A69BCD87FE095143654@Bud> <499A1EB2.4060202@verizon.net> Message-ID: <499A2810.9090108@141.com> Oh, wow, Kurt! GREAT job! Mopetta was familiar but I never would have remembered the Brutsch part. Thank you! Um, you win one free year's membership to the FOT! Thanks, Susan :) Kurt Oblinger wrote: Brutsch Mopetta, circa 1958. Do I win a prize? Cheers, Kurt O. (Who is 6'-4", 260lbs and used to drive a '64 Mini) RACER BUD wrote: Gogomobile? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Hi all! Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. Thanks for any help! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11770 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.24/1954 - Release Date: 2/15/2009 6:0 9 PM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Feb 16 20:09:28 2009 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:09:28 EST Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. ==AM== In most countries, I believe the name translates to "Serious Lapse in Judgment"! Finally, though, insects on the highway have a fighting chance against a motor vehicle.... ;-) --Andy Mace (yeah, I know, look who's talkin' trash about slow minicars....) *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 20:15:22 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:15:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? References: Message-ID: Ok...this is too much fun...you are all responsible for my enchiladas burning!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:05:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > spitfiresuz at 141.com writes: > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > ==AM== > In most countries, I believe the name translates to "Serious Lapse in > Judgment"! Finally, though, insects on the highway have a fighting chance > against a > motor vehicle.... ;-) > > --Andy Mace (yeah, I know, look who's talkin' trash about slow > minicars....) > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose > how > to find them. Start with AOL Personals. > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Mon Feb 16 21:45:01 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <7AD9ED27A1FF4CBCB238B2A96D45EC61@KasPC> Is that being skip bombed? It looks like something left over from WW 2 and the "Dam Busters". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Susan Kahler" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this? > It has either escaped from one of those rocket rides or the guy is > smiling because there's 16 clowns in there with him. > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi all! >> >> Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg >> >> It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the >> name. >> >> Thanks for any help! >> >> Susan :) >> >> -- >> ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Feb 17 10:17:01 2009 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 11:03:17 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <380-22009221718317219@M2W032.mail2web.com> That was the Peel P50. I want one of those, too. ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: dos_gusanos at msn.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] What car is this? I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From koblinger at verizon.net Tue Feb 17 11:03:55 2009 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <1781628156.15989631234893835385.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> That was a Peel P50. One of my favorite segments from Top Gear. Watch for your self... http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Top-Gear---Peel-P50_139353.htm Cheers, Kurt O. (I am the Stig's large American cousin) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote: > I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of > these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com B > To: fot at autox.team.net > B Subject: > [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > B > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the > name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > B > http://www.fot-racing.com B > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net B > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > B > Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Feb 17 11:44:58 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:44:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] What car is this? Message-ID: <200902171145122.SM09700@[166.70.182.40]> In case ya'll haven't noticed, Susan likes cars.......:) -----Original Message----- From: "spitfiresuz at 141.com" Sent 2/17/2009 11:03:17 AM To: dos_gusanos at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] What car is this?That was the Peel P50. I want one of those, too. ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: dos_gusanos at msn.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:17:01 -0700 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] What car is this? I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of these around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can stand it up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What car is this? > > Hi all! > > Anyone know what this is?: http://s5.tinypic.com/mllhjd.jpg > > It looks very familiar, but for the life of me I can't think of the name. > > Thanks for any help! > > Susan :) > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft. Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 17 11:52:48 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:52:48 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What car is this? In-Reply-To: References: <499A1B25.6070901@141.com> Message-ID: <686C5C6F-B74E-440E-B633-5E4F03A6A098@bnj.com> I do love microcars, especially the ones that look like a sidecar that has misplaced it's motorcycle. Unfortunately they are made for people whose growth was stunted by war year rationing. I stick out of them like a circus bear. On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:17 AM, wrote: > I think there is an episode of top gear where they're driving one of > these > around the office?........Notice the handle on the front so you can > stand it > up and park it next to your desk..............Henry Morrison > >> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:21 -0500 >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] What car is this? From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 14:54:33 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:54:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? Message-ID: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought bronze guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling out. Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but if this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze to risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 15:22:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:22:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? References: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: Hi jim..you might contact Carl Stirtz at Stirtz machine in Oakland...He has been doing this stuff for about 40 years..i think you've met Carl.(he's got the 2 formula juniors that i think you've seen at the track)...and he's very reasonable...he does my stuff..i just spoke to him, and he said that it makes for tighter clearance in a race engine...he put them in mine....they don't last any longer..he used to put them in street engines when bad gas 1st came out, but he doesn't anymore...he'd be glad to talk to you..Carl Stirtz..510 536 2772..oakland ca. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? >I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to > go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought > bronze > guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep > for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze > guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new > fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze > guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the > different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling > out. > Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. > Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but > if > this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze > to > risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Tue Feb 17 16:37:43 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Message-ID: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 16:50:17 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:50:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: that's terrific news! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 18:35:06 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:35:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Bud says he'll test her, too. Susan :) RACER BUD wrote: that's terrific news! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 2/16/2009 6:3 1 PM -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From tlizzard at msn.com Tue Feb 17 18:43:22 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft porn star she will be good at neither. Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? Not much. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 18:55:15 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:55:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Message-ID: thanks Susan..for the vote of confidence...another Triumph! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Bud says he'll test her, too. > Susan :) > RACER BUD wrote: > > that's terrific news! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: > 2/16/2009 6:3 > 1 PM > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 18:57:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:57:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <499B65CA.7090308@141.com> Message-ID: <8D7CAB56404940879862BBDDDC52A333@Bud> Hey Gang...If Danica gets an F1 ride...will it be a Triumph? Racer Bud.. heading for... ..Vaudeville! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Bud says he'll test her, too. > Susan :) > RACER BUD wrote: > > that's terrific news! > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45124 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > http://www.fot-racing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: > 2/16/2009 6:3 > 1 PM > > -- > ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Tue Feb 17 19:03:17 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New home track!?! Message-ID: <499B6C65.4050208@141.com> I was giving a presentation for work last night and was talking with a fellow car nut there. He asked if I had heard of the Bluegrass Motorsports Park and I had not. I looked it up: It's brand new (grand opening in the spring) and only 100 miles away! Here's their Web site: http://www.drivebluegrass.com/ They have two current road-race configurations, one a 2.5 miles course and one a 1.32 mile kart circuit. Their reservation page says all weekend are booked for 2009 but I can't find anything on what's on the schedule. I'll have to give them a call and see who's renting. Looks promising! Susan :) -- ** "My New Year's resolution? 1680x1050." ** From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 20:09:03 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:09:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Danica Patrick....it is a Triumph..and More Message-ID: <321EDE4FB14F4F9CB6CA557CCD553A53@Bud> Hi Triumph Gang..et al.... When I received the email/news flash about Danica and the F1 possibility...the 1st thing I thought about were my Daughters, Daughters in Law, Grand Daughters, my Girl Friend...my Friends Daughters.&..my.. 87 year old Mom who is full of life and bubbling with the opportunity to learn more about it..My Mom said to me ,.... when I was young....."Buddy....If racing is what you want to do..you should do it"... Thank You Danica....thank you Kids......thank you Mom.....Thank you all very Much!. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 GO DANICA GO! From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 17 20:33:42 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:33:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. From mpendy at dishmail.net Tue Feb 17 20:47:18 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:47:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: Yeah....and then you woke up!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Terry Stetler" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica > Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and > say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car > driver". I say "talent and humility". > > On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > >> Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft >> porn star >> she will be good at neither. >> >> Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? >> >> Not much. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 21:20:07 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:20:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000001c99180$2ebb7b90$8c3272b0$@racer@comcast.net> Bill: I'm surprised your family members don't know you better!! Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:34 PM To: Terry Stetler Cc: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 23:47:38 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:47:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c99194$ca74a840$b1191718@computer> Thanks for all of the comments. As always, they are extremely helpful. Bud, I gave Carl (Stritz Machine in Oakland, CA) a call. He couldn't have been more helpful. Apparently, going back to the early years of unleaded gas, automotive machine shops were having problems with bronze guides loosening up and sometimes dropping out. According to Carl, it is mostly due to the bronze alloy and the gasoline changing that has caused this problem not to have occurred for quite a while. Looks like the shop I am dealing with had a very bad time way back. I got my bronze guides from TRF and I believe that they are some of Richard's. They look good and as always, Richard did a nice job. I will be putting them in. Thanks again, Jim -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:23 PM To: jim hearn; 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? Hi jim..you might contact Carl Stirtz at Stirtz machine in Oakland...He has been doing this stuff for about 40 years..i think you've met Carl.(he's got the 2 formula juniors that i think you've seen at the track)...and he's very reasonable...he does my stuff..i just spoke to him, and he said that it makes for tighter clearance in a race engine...he put them in mine....they don't last any longer..he used to put them in street engines when bad gas 1st came out, but he doesn't anymore...he'd be glad to talk to you..Carl Stirtz..510 536 2772..oakland ca. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? >I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to > go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought > bronze > guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep > for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze > guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new > fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze > guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the > different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling > out. > Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. > Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but > if > this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze > to > risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 18 05:25:22 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:25:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> References: <20090217233824.5FBB818766B@autox.team.net> <02A3A65A-5884-411F-9971-292EEA5D488B@bnj.com> Message-ID: Post of the week sir. hehe Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Terry Stetler Cc: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Hard for me to see why you can't be both. Many people come to me and say "hey, how can you BE such a swinging sex god AND a great race car driver". I say "talent and humility". On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Untill Danica makes the choice between being a race driver or a soft > porn star > she will be good at neither. > > Chance of a succsessful US based F1 team? > > Not much. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Feb 18 05:55:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:55:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? In-Reply-To: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> References: <000401c9914a$58e30450$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: My opinion is that bronze valve guids are only useful in aluminum heads. No need to use them in a cast iron head. The risk to have stuck valve is quite high. I would use cast iron valve guides. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von jim hearn Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Februar 2009 22:55 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: [Fot] Bronze valve guides? I thought I had seen on some posts that bronze valve guides were the way to go with a TR6 so now that I need to do a complete valve job, I bought bronze guides to do it. When I took it to the machine shop (that has a good rep for doing British stuff), I was told that they had quit putting in bronze guides due to the extra heat in the combustion chamber caused by the new fuel with no lead. They said that early on when they were using bronze guides with the new fuel, due to dissimilar expansion rates for the different metals (head and guides), guides were loosing up and falling out. Has anyone heard this, experienced this, or have any information on this. Is anyone running bronze guides successfully? Mine is a stock motor but if this is true, there doesn't seem to be enough good points for the bronze to risk the calamity. Any thoughts? Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Feb 18 07:52:20 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:52:20 EST Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica Message-ID: In a message dated 02/17/2009 5:38:37 PM Central Standard Time, dave at microworks.net writes: > Just saw a report that the purported USF1 team (with Peter Windsor > being one of the principles) is considering testing Danica. > > They must've seen the SI pictures too. Pretty much everyone wants to test her. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Feb 18 10:35:00 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:35:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] USF1 and Danica In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The real question is, who in this country is going to put up THREE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR to field a team with any kind of chance at being competitive? Ferrari, McLaren, and Toyota all spend more than that. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a US team. But I don't want a US team competing for last place honors against Minardi (or whatever moniker they use now). Terry Stetler From pebert1 at wi.rr.com Wed Feb 18 14:59:54 2009 From: pebert1 at wi.rr.com (Paul Ebert) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:59:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1990 Caterham Super Seven In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Caterham with a new chassis that desires a new home. Contact me off line at www.pebert1 at gmail.com or Cell 704-904-1108 Car is in WI. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:00 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: help, please! (Mark Eginton) 2. Paint Codes Red (Mark Eginton) 3. Chicago area swap meet (Ted Schumacher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:46:43 -0500 From: "Mark Eginton" Subject: Re: [Fot] help, please! To: Message-ID: <000601c98eaa$ac11ec10$6701a8c0 at HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Speaking of simple things, are the carb pistons free to seat. Did you make sure to release and center the jet on the needle before tightening the jet in place. If it binds and the piston does not seat, all you need is a rich mixture to get a fast idle... M ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:56:44 -0500 From: "Mark Eginton" Subject: [Fot] Paint Codes Red To: Message-ID: <000801c98eac$12193210$6701a8c0 at HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since I am rebuilding the engine, I thought I would repaint the engine compartment in advance of a repaint of the car in the next few years. I am absolutely dizzy with paint codes. I think I have found the PPG codes, but the correct red for each year back to 57 is quite sketchy. I painted the car in the early 80s but it turned out more orange red than the color the car was. What I have learned is that there is three potential colors Triumph Red (I think this is the orange-red color my car was painted) Signal Red Sunset Red Everyone I know is using printed color charts off the internet. Seems there are a lot of Signal Red '57s on the internet and left to my own devices I would probably choose that color. Any one else wrestle with this? Now I know what my wife went through picking her china pattern. I wish I could mine the gold they use in red these days to justify the cost of the paint!!! M ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:22:26 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher Subject: [Fot] Chicago area swap meet To: fot at autox.team.net Message-ID: <4996D3A2.7000609 at bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Greetings list. Next Sunday, Feb. 22, is the Chicago British swap meet.We will be there with a booth, our usual spot in building #2. If anyone needs me to bring something to the meet, please let me know. Please have your order in by next Friday - packing and leaving on Saturday. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 *********************************** From dave at microworks.net Thu Feb 19 14:29:57 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:29:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominated for Worst Movie of All Time Message-ID: <20090219213946.D10ED187C37@autox.team.net> I have to agree... http://videogum.com/archives/the-hunt-for-the-worst-movie-of-all-time/the-hunt-for-the-worst-movie-o-26_025981.html The Hunt For The Worst Movie Of All Time: Driven Who suggested Driven? Who was it? SHOW YOURSELF! You should all be ashamed. Sure, we're all having a good time talking about these terrible movies and oh ha ha, isn't it funny how Gabe is such a jerk and he was to watch them and he's so stupid and I hate him and wish he would fall down some stairs. But there's a point where it's not funny anymore, and that point is when we're talking about Driven. To paraphrase Sarah Palin, there is a special place in hell for whoever made me watch this movie. Driven is about a young race car driver, Jimmy Bly, who is supposed to be the best race car driver, but lately he's been losing his edge, so Burt Reynolds calls up Sylvester Stallone and is like "I need you to be a race car driver some more," and Sylvester Stallone is like "I am working on a race car in my barn, that's how you know that I am a serious driver." In their first race together on Team Burt Reynolds, Burt Reynolds uses Sylvester Stallone to get in the way of another driver, Beau Brandenburg, so that Jimmy Bly can win. Everyone is happy. Jimmy steals Beau's girlfriend. But then Beau steals his girlfriend back and turns her into his wife. And then Jimmy Bly is bad at racing again and his brother who is also his manager is like "I'm selling you down the river," and Burt Reynolds is like "We're all selling you down the river, Jimmy Bly," and it looks like things are over for Jimmy Bly. Meanwhile, Sylvester Stallone's ex wife Gina Gershon is an asshole. In the final race Jimmy Bly gets one last chance to prove what he's made of or else it's down the river he goes, and at one point it looks like he's going to lose, but then later he wins. Someone opens champagne. There are two things keeping this wretched piece of gasoline-scented nonsense from conclusively winning the title of Worst Movie of All Time: 1. It lacks the failed ambition that I think is the true Hallmark of the most terrible movie. A bad action movie is a bad action movie is a bad action movie. If you're dealing in superficials, then your mistakes are superficial. Granted, Driven is filled with some UNBEARABLE MISTAKES. But more importantly... 2. It's not really a movie. Driven is not a movie. It's almost two hours long, it has movie stars in it, and you watch it on DVD, but it's not a movie. I don't know what it is, I only know what it is not. Take, for example, this clip. Yes, it is long, but eight minutes is a small trade off for the other 108 you're saiving. Now, did you notice how that was FUCKING AWFUL? But if you'll look a little closer, you'll notice a couple of other things. For one, the music NEVER STOPS. The whole movie, there is always music playing, and it's always a little too loud. You have to strain to hear every word of dialogue. Well, you don't have to, I guess. You could sit back and just enjoy the great jams. (You could not sit back and just enjoy the great jams.) It is also of note that all of the race car drivers except for Jimmy Bly and Sylvester Stallone are gay German porn actors. Admittedly, I'm not a racing fan, so maybe that's accurate. Perhaps everyone in NASCAR is a gay German porn actor. There's simply no way for us to know whether or not that's true. Perhaps my favorite part of the whole whatever-Driven-is-because-it's-not-a-movie was the dramatic final race. Jimmy Bly has one final chance to show that he has what it takes to be the best in the world. For a little while, he's doing well, but he starts to have a flame out near the end of the race, which is when his one true friend, Sylvester Stallone, comes to save him. He drives with what were are told is the greatest skills, and eventually damages his car but not before buying Jimmy Bly enough time to pull into the lead. Kind of. Actually, him and the gay German porn racer are neck and neck, and Jimmy wins by a photo finish. That's how we know he's a true champion. Because only a true champion has to have his friend come in and bail him out and even still only barely wins. Behind every legendary hero there is a story of constant, anti-climactic near failure. Although I was probably unimpressed with his tremendous victory only because I'd already seen him succeed when it came time for the dramatic 10 hops. Dramatic hops! Can he get to 10? Sylvester Stallone is like "See? See those hops? Now what." This movie was unacceptable. It is definitely the winner of the Hunt for the Worst Sports-Based Action Movie and Maybe Just Action Movie of All Time, and solidly in the top 5 of our general search. And you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. From mavanlake at fedex.com Thu Feb 19 06:16:59 2009 From: mavanlake at fedex.com (Mark) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:16:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ??? Message-ID: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> What is going to take to get my E-Mail I.D. changed? I sent a request weeks ago and it has not been updated? Form: oldspeed72 at charter.com To: oldspeed72 at yahoo.com MARK A. VAN LAKE FEDEX CORP. SAFETY SO. REGION [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] From mark at bradakis.com Fri Feb 20 10:17:10 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ??? In-Reply-To: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> Message-ID: <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Mark wrote: > What is going to take to get my E-Mail I.D. changed? I sent a request weeks > ago and it has not been updated? > > Actually it is pretty easy. At the bottom of every message, or top if you are on digest mode, there is a link to the FOT admin page. You log in, unsubscribe your old address and subscribe your new one. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 20 10:26:18 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:26:18 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 10:35:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:35:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 10:45:27 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > A. > > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From Billb at bnj.com Fri Feb 20 11:10:02 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:10:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <7ECB38D3-BEFC-421F-9C06-D36B26F226A9@bnj.com> Yikes. what was he doing at the end with all that swerving. Too bad they didn't just put up the raw footage, I would have liked to see the whole race. On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From EDENMA at aol.com Fri Feb 20 12:30:09 2009 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:30:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Nominated for Worst Movie of All Time Message-ID: Well.........Alrighty then!! Cheers! Mark **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 13:15:45 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:15:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Message-ID: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. ~Steve >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:43:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:43:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 for Sale Message-ID: Amici... Paul Fitzsimmons, a long time vintage Bugeye racer and fellow member of the VSCDA Board of Directors, sent me this email about a nice TR6 available for sale. Paul lives in Dubuque, Iowa. I have no personal interest nor knowledge of the car, but would certainly take Paul at his word. Here are the details if anyone has an interest. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-941499f139f326; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:52 -0500 Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.mailhosting.netins.net [167.142.228.77]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-941499f139f326; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:35 -0500 X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [216.43.70.112] (account pfitzsimmons at blairfitzsimmons.com HELO [192.168.1.175]) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPA id 1906327886 for BillDentin at aol.com; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:33:35 -0600 Message-ID: <499F1397.5070300 at blairfitzsimmons.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:33:27 -0600 From: Paul Fitzsimmons User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Dentinger Subject: Re: TR6 for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 167.142.228.77 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A friend of mine has a street TR6 which he wants to sell. It has 44,000 miles, new red line tires, new carpet (I think), and is in mint condition. It did have air conditioning, but he removed it. It has been repainted and is a dark blue. He is asking $12,500.00. Reason for sale is that he is losing his job with the post office after 28 years because they are shutting down the facility where he works. I can probably get photos if someone is interested. Paul F. From andre at gt6.ca Fri Feb 20 14:51:35 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4362ae390902201351t2d293c7dkee01ba76ba8d1d07@mail.gmail.com> KERS 2009/2/20 steve > What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the > steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort > of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. > > ~Steve > > > >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >> > >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Feb 20 15:00:35 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:00:35 EST Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 for Sale Message-ID: Do we know what year it is? I have a potential customer looking for a 1976 model. He wants it to be the original Blue. Can't remember if that is Tahiti or which shade. Thanks, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 21 11:57:28 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:57:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28441154.1235160945457.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The black box might be an heater unit to defog the windscreen. If you really like you can have a full lap of Tim. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/47 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von steve Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 21:16 An: 'Friends of Triumph' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife What is that small black round tank-like thing on the dash over the steering wheel. Were the two gauges mounted in the glove-box door some sort of brake-bias pressure gauges? They only moved when decelerating. ~Steve >On Feb 20, 2009, at 7:26 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 22 02:13:19 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The nerve to go all out? Very simple  racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. It is just enjoyment and you dont care about the possible consequences. Cheers Chris Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From triosan at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:19:46 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:19:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > The nerve to go all out? > Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. > Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a > woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few > seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. > It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. > > Wonderful. > > A. > > 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > > A. > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Feb 22 12:20:11 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:20:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334> <499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com> <4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The more I write English the better I get. Hope you never hear me speaking English  terrible! This hard German accent. When I told my wife about my wish to race I said this: If I die you are a rich widow and have choice of milliards of men. What can be better? She agreed and let me go racing in the hope becoming a rich widow after the racing weekend. It is so easy to make women happy. Von: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Februar 2009 19:20 An: MadMarx Cc: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: The nerve to go all out? Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. Cheers Chris Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 An: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. Wonderful. A. 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau Too bad about the music. A. 2009/2/20 MadMarx This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Feb 22 12:38:36 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:38:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints to help? Paul This is a nice one I found on the web. http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 22 12:45:32 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> I also have not been able to download this video. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints >to > help? > > Paul > > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 22 12:49:10 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:49:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> References: <1001831AB628479EB901930E8CB47A71@KasPC> Message-ID: <4EA67680-B9DF-4429-A697-0AE1ED84113A@gt6.ca> Its a Quicktime Movie. A. On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I also have not been able to download this video. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Feb 22 13:05:56 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <4EA67680-B9DF-4429-A697-0AE1ED84113A@gt6.ca> Message-ID: I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays at 0% until it shuts off. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM To: Friends of Triumph Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife Its a Quicktime Movie. A. On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I also have not been able to download this video. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 13:34:42 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:34:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife References: Message-ID: i cannot get the movie to work either.... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any hints >to > help? > > Paul > > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Sun Feb 22 13:52:40 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:52:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? A Sent from my iPod Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > i cannot get the movie to work either.... > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. Any >> hints to >> help? >> >> Paul >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billdentin at aol.com Sun Feb 22 14:04:13 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:04:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> References: <98F7DD77EE8F4081A12767B1158DA396@SADEAA6775E334><499EE596.6050708@bradakis.com><4362ae390902200935r29c3100amf1eb758822e038e5@mail.gmail.com><4362ae390902200945p18d1126cgc6c6ce5eee93028e@mail.gmail.com> <8cbd782d0902221019t2b9485csd9dabd53aa0a596b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB63483F8B450D-EEC-42A1@FWM-M14.sysops.aol.com> <<< Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is!>> Yeah, (or Ja in Deutchland), but also in both you 'mach snell' at the end. Bill (Damdinger) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold To: MadMarx Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife For aman who says he has limited English skills that was darn pretty good. I remeber telling my wife, very cafefully chooising my words,about my first race. I said. "except for sex, that is the most phsicakfun I have ever had". The problem with the statement is I think I was right on the edge of lying about what was the most fun. Both extivities slow time down so that it does not exists,no longer how long it really is! On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 1:13 AM, MadMarx wrote: > The nerve to go all out? > Very simple racing on the Nordschleife is like race distance long orgasm. > Taking this into the account and add that you have the nerve to stay with a > woman for some years with an orgasm that has a duration only of a few > seconds, then you get an idea why we dare to go full out on that racetrack. > It is just enjoyment and you don t care about the possible consequences. > > Cheers > Chris > > Von: Andre Rousseau [mailto:andre at gt6.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 18:45 > An: MadMarx > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > Oh how can you have the nerve to go all out on that track. > > Wonderful. > > A. > > 2009/2/20 Andre Rousseau > Too bad about the music. > > A. > 2009/2/20 MadMarx > > This is a nice one I found on the web. > > http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From s.janzen at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 14:32:18 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:32:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 - is that a stock box? overdrive? On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? > > A > > Sent from my iPod > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca > > On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > >> i cannot get the movie to work either.... >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > >> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > >> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> >>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. >>> Any hints to >>> help? >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> This is a nice one I found on the web. >>> >>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] Scott Janzen Catalyst Real Estate LLC 215-233-9500 (T) 215-817-9315 (M) Janzen at REcatalyst.com www.REcatalyst.com 7805 Ardmore Avenue Wyndmoor, PA 19038 From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 22 15:29:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:29:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: Yeah, worked fine on mine too. I figure it's a dog box, or not OEM. but probably Dogs On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 > - is that a stock box? overdrive? > > > On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > >> Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? >> >> A >> >> Sent from my iPod >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca >> >> On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: >> >>> i cannot get the movie to work either.... >>> Racer Bud >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" >>> >>> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" >>> >>> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >>> >>> >>>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. >>>> Any hints to >>>> help? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> This is a nice one I found on the web. >>>> >>>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which > had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] > Scott Janzen > Catalyst Real Estate LLC > 215-233-9500 (T) > 215-817-9315 (M) > Janzen at REcatalyst.com > www.REcatalyst.com > 7805 Ardmore Avenue > Wyndmoor, PA 19038 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 22 15:40:00 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:40:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <36AC65B1-55AD-4F25-B88C-73D046ADAF39@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <20090222224042.39DC0187647@autox.team.net> Sounded like straight cut gears, probably a dog box. Didn't notice him using overdrive - he ran the revs up in 4th more than in the other gears, I assume that's because of no OD. Things sure happen fast in that footage! - Tony At 03:32 PM 2/22/2009, Scott Janzen wrote: >works great on a mac. Awesome footage. That is one quickshifting TR4 >- is that a stock box? overdrive? > > >On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Andre Rousseau wrote: > > > Maybe we overloaded their bandwidth limit? > > > > A > > > > Sent from my iPod > > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > > 68 Triumph GT6 MK1 http://www.gt6.ca > > > > On 22-Feb-09, at 15:34, "RACER BUD" wrote: > > > >> i cannot get the movie to work either.... > >> Racer Bud > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > >> > > >> To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > >> > > >> Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > >> > >> > >>> I have tried to download this video many times, but no success. > >>> Any hints to > >>> help? > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> > >>> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >>> > >>> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Fot mailing list > >>> Fot at autox.team.net > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which >had a name of pastedGraphic.pdf] >Scott Janzen >Catalyst Real Estate LLC >215-233-9500 (T) >215-817-9315 (M) >Janzen at REcatalyst.com >www.REcatalyst.com >7805 Ardmore Avenue >Wyndmoor, PA 19038 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 22 16:48:35 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:48:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> I get the same symptoms using Internet Explorer 6.0. I have a feeling that the issue with IE is related to security settings, but haven't investigated thoroughly. But FWIW, Mozilla Firefox (a free alternative to IE) seems to be downloading it. However it's SLOW. File is about 60Mb, I'm getting a download speed of about 90kb/sec, so probably 12-15 minutes for the download. And of course I'm saving it to my hard drive first, rather than trying to play it over such a slow link. Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:06 PM > To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays > at 0% until it shuts off. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM > To: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > > Its a Quicktime Movie. > > A. > > On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > I also have not been able to download this video. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" > > > > > > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" > > > > > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > > > > > >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no > success. Any > >> hints to help? > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> This is a nice one I found on the web. > >> > >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada > Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Feb 22 17:06:37 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:06:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". Well almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc then it states, sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >I get the same symptoms using Internet Explorer 6.0. I have a feeling that > the issue with IE is related to security settings, but haven't > investigated > thoroughly. > > But FWIW, Mozilla Firefox (a free alternative to IE) seems to be > downloading > it. However it's SLOW. File is about 60Mb, I'm getting a download speed > of > about 90kb/sec, so probably 12-15 minutes for the download. And of course > I'm saving it to my hard drive first, rather than trying to play it over > such a slow link. > > Randall > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:06 PM >> To: Andre Rousseau; Friends of Triumph Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> I have Quicktime, just doesn't download. It starts, but stays >> at 0% until it shuts off. >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On >> Behalf Of Andre Rousseau >> Sent: February 22, 2009 2:49 PM >> To: Friends of Triumph Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> >> >> Its a Quicktime Movie. >> >> A. >> >> On 22-Feb-09, at 2:45 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >> > I also have not been able to download this video. >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" >> > > > > >> > To: "MadMarx" ; "'Chuck Arnold'" >> > > > >> > Cc: "'Friends of Triumph'" >> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:38 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife >> > >> > >> >> I have tried to download this video many times, but no >> success. Any >> >> hints to help? >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> This is a nice one I found on the web. >> >> >> >> http://www.triumph-competition.de/download/46 >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada >> Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 22 17:15:19 2009 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> A few years ago I downloaded Quicktime and I nothing but problems running movies after that. When I saw Quicktime was the application I ran away fast. Not for me to deal with ever again. Just my personal experience. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Randall" ; "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife > The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". Well > almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc then it > states, > sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:34:38 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> (JTo get the movie(s), go to:(B (Jhttp://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell(B (Jand click on the 2 links:(B $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JEifelrennen 2008 im Triumph TR4: Szenen (60 MB)(B (JWir erleben hier in Ausschnitten das 2008er Eifelrennen. Das Auto: Triumph(B (JTR4, Baujahr 1962, ca. 180 PS, auf "historischer" Dunlop Racing Bereifung.(B (JDer Fahrer: Timm Meinrenken. Man beachte die Gegner dieses TR4!(B (J $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JEifelrennen 2008: Eine sehr schnelle Runde im Triumph TR4 (69 MB)(B (JIn etwas mehr als 11 Minuten zeigt uns Timm Meinrenken, wie man die(B (JNordschleife inklusive Grand Prix Kurs in einem Triumph TR4, bereift mit(B (J"historischen" Dunlop Racings, umrunden kann!(B (J $B"*(J diese Datei runterladen(B (JClark(B (JClark W. Nicholls(B (J1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration)(B (J"Reality, it's not what you think."(B From cwn74 at aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:37:30 2009 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> Message-ID: <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> Darn html... http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 22 18:14:03 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> Message-ID: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Sun Feb 22 18:26:06 2009 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> <2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5> <004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com> <004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <49A1FB2E.9010403@dfn.com> Tony Drews wrote: > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go > to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the > bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you > right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run > it from your local computer you may have better success. You will > need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to > another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You > Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, > though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. > If one is constitutionally opposed to the Apple QuickTime player, both Media Player Classic and VideoLAN will play videos with the .mov extension: http://www.videolan.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ Both work well with currently available Windows operating systems. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Feb 22 18:38:28 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:38:28 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090223013828.EUGU20000.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@randall> FWIW, I did manage to get it to play, finally. After using Mozilla to download it (IE wouldn't even start), QuickTime still wouldn't play it. Mostly a GP fault, but sometimes it just pretended it didn't have a file. However, doing an "open with" Windows Media Player 9 played it on my machine. Just something you might try, if you do manage to download the file. Good stuff, tho it's a bit disappointing how easily even the 65 Mustang ran away from him on the straight. My mildly tweaked TR3A used to edge out a dead stock 289, but I guess they had a lot more potential. Randall From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 18:50:40 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:50:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: cutting edge technology :)..could be Triumphs Message-ID: <80F8E86E92104A6D96D33DEA0C63B3B7@Bud> Hello Gang...this can also be done with 2 Triumphs... Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee & Sandi Hoge" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: cutting edge technology :) > One of the best....Been around before, still makes me laugh out > loud....:>):>) > > > Subject: cutting edge technology :) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of AWD.wmv] From spitlist at cox.net Sun Feb 22 20:10:43 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:10:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7AD4E466F89D47A9AB7C3D97F799CF75@joepentiumnew> I finally got the video to run, but only after upgrading Quicktime to the latest revision and deleting all my Temporary internet files. Great stuff! Thanks, Tony Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Feb 22 20:27:20 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:27:20 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife In-Reply-To: References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <85C73C68-38B9-439F-8D0E-9CB4A2D4FF74@bnj.com> Macintosh. End of story. I used PC equipment for years and years, understood deep into the guts, more than I really wanted to. Bought a Mac notebook because i liked the case and I could run windows on it, but I wound up using the Mac OS more than windows. Now I wouldn't touch a windows machine, just not worth the effort. And YUCK, Vista. On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > The dialog box comes up and says" we are loading now, hang there". > Well almost that and it goes on for a while loading, loading, etc > then it states, sorry cannot complete this request etc etc. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" > To: "'Friends of Triumph Triumph'" > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife From budscars at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 20:58:29 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:58:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <6DBE7EBBDD474D3DAEFB58A4A9B3ED20@Bud> Hi Tony..your video of Blackhawk is Terrific!...'You made My Day'! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 06:10:21 2009 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:10:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nordschleife video and quick time formats .. Message-ID: <215964.16700.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Someone said they were affraid of quicktime ... they, or anyone else who needs a player for this, can download the free "VLC player" ... it works great on quicktime and several other formats. I know this works on windos apps ... not sure of apple or any other os... Hope this helps Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 06:38:04 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material Message-ID: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - does anyone know what the NASCAR builders use for windshield, side, and rear glass material. I was standing next to one of their cars at the Chicago auto show last week - amazed at what seemed to be a very light gauged material. Also. The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked like black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, drilled full of many large holes for see through. Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? Maybe it's just painted. Thanks Dennis DeLap From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 23 07:13:53 2009 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:13:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link In-Reply-To: <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <63B1DEF5FBA149D683A7FC09DAB33AFE@richardiipc> Tony, Your system worked great and the video is well worth the effort. And the "Well that sucked" is still one of the all time great mini-epic videos. Thanks. Richard -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it may go back to downloadable files. By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of download speed you see. The download from the original source took about two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. - Tony Drews At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Darn html... > >http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 23 07:52:09 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:52:09 EST Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: Amici... Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the NASCAR race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, and I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, and the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar that ran 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. Bill Dentinger ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Feb 23 08:41:48 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:41:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB58@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> You've got to check this out, really cool ! There is always a way to make old parts ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Feb 23 08:45:11 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:45:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB6D@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> You've got to check this out, really cool > > http://jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Lets try this again ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From spyderweb at uwalumni.com Mon Feb 23 09:46:33 2009 From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:46:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: <20090223104633.2wbuisvhbhccks84@secure.uwalumni.com> I believe that'd be Smokey Cook, who apparently ran an MG for one lap of a Grand National race in 1960 and another 13 laps in a 200-mile race at Bowman-Gray stadium 1963. http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=cooksm01 http://blog.vcu.edu/nascar/car_of_tomorrow/ Jim Hill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Dentinger wrote: > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of > the NASCAR race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but > racing is racing, and I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, > Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer > performance, and the first time there was any non-USA players. If I > understood them correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first > outsider was an MG sportscar that ran 15th. I found that > interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger From Billb at bnj.com Mon Feb 23 09:53:40 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:53:40 -1000 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material In-Reply-To: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: lexan, and the aluminum is probably anodized. On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:38 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > AMICI - does anyone know what the NASCAR builders use for > windshield, side, and rear glass material. I was standing next to > one of their cars at the Chicago auto show last week - amazed at > what seemed to be a very light gauged material. > Also. The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked > like black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, > drilled full of many large holes for see through. > Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? Maybe it's > just painted. > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Feb 23 10:16:15 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:16:15 EST Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: FOT, It was easy to miss, but FOT Jim Hill was listed in the Vintage Motorsports Magazine as one of the former owners of the very historic V-8 Powered Genie. We visited the Genie in California and stayed with another prior owner. Nice reunion for Jim. If Jim wants to add anymore, I'll let him. Joe A From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:18:00 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:18:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7C1E65790060476FB555E3E7419A3FEE@Bud> Tony..your videos are terrific..thanks! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:19:32 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:19:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... References: Message-ID: <695B82A60F3243798C398768C575687E@Bud> It seems that there was a Jaguar in the early days on the beach? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the > NASCAR > race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, > and > I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, > and > the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them > correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar > that ran > 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:23:07 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:23:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... References: Message-ID: <649DF1C13495460788A9D1712944A5B2@Bud> Found it!...Al Keller won a Nascar race in 1954 at Linden airport new jersey in a Jaguar xk120 Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... > Amici... > > Yesterday, during lots of channel surfing, I was watching parts of the > NASCAR > race out in California. I am not a big NASCAR fan, but racing is racing, > and > I do like Kenseth from nearby Cambridge, Wisconsin. > > Anyway, during the race they were talking about manufacturer performance, > and > the first time there was any non-USA players. If I understood them > correctly, it was in the 1960s and the first outsider was an MG sportscar > that ran > 15th. I found that interesting, but have no details. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 10:26:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:26:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine References: Message-ID: <28EA79FDABA04260B971A4D7F014CAC9@Bud> Joe...was that the car that Paul Reinhardt drove? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [Fot] Huffaker Genie Article in Vintage Motorsports Magazine > FOT, > > It was easy to miss, but FOT Jim Hill was listed in the Vintage > Motorsports > Magazine as one of the former owners of the very historic V-8 Powered > Genie. > > We visited the Genie in California and stayed with another prior owner. > Nice > reunion for Jim. > > If Jim wants to add anymore, I'll let him. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Feb 23 10:35:36 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:35:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Brit's in NASCAR... Message-ID: In a message dated 02/23/2009 11:23:31 AM Central Standard Time, budscars at comcast.net writes: > Found it!...Al Keller won a Nascar race in 1954 at Linden airport new > jersey > in a Jaguar xk120 > Off list Mike Cook too has pointed out to me that there were even earlier Brits (JAG XK120) involved with NASCAR. He also said at some point NASCAR then closed the doors to all but domestic cars and push rod engines. With rules like that I suggested, "Gosh, they're a lot like the French." To which Mr. Cook pointed out that the key name in NASCAR is France. I suspect that shortly after they hid the words 'Stock Car' in their name. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Feb 23 10:48:47 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:48:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR windshield material In-Reply-To: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <562370.31412.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04c501c995de$fb0559c0$275636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > The support structure for this thin plastic is what looked like > black anodized aluminum angle stock - very nicely crafted, drilled full of > many large holes for see through. > Anyone know where to get black covered aluminum stock? If you poke around on the web a bit, you should have no trouble finding recipes for anodizing at home. Eg, http://www.focuser.com/atm/anodize/anodize.html -- Randall From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 14:25:14 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09451682F5EB6D@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: <148927.95990.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nothing new, although the NextEngine scanner has only been available for about 4-5 years. The Dimension Rapid Prototyping machine is actually made by Stratasys, and they have been around since 1990. I have been involved with different RP systems since 1987. My employer was one of the early adopters of the technology, and we have systems that can make parts as fine as 16 microns layers. We also have systems that can make metal parts directly from cad or make sand casts. For more information than you ever want to know about, check out www.sme.org/rtam. Doug ----- Original Message ---- From: "Deanes, Robert" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:45:11 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: New Tool to make car parts! You've got to check this out, really cool > > http://jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641 Lets try this again ________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 20:14:15 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Trying to identify some TR6 valves Message-ID: <000501c9962d$f9b715f0$b1191718@computer> In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From dave at microworks.net Mon Feb 23 22:01:48 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference Message-ID: <20090224050254.8493B187665@autox.team.net> Got a Text this evening from Speed. "F1 Alert: Watch the US F1 Press Conference LIVE on Speed. Tuesday February 24th at Noon ET / 9:00am PT" From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 11:18:16 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:18:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cars For Sale Message-ID: <000001c996ac$43be8330$cb3b8990$@racer@comcast.net> The following email message was sent to me by a vintage racing friend in the Mid-West and might be of interest to some of your. This is all the information I have. Gary -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:00 AM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Street cars for sale, MGA, GT6s, Midgets I'm attempting to sell some old cars from my uncles estate. The cars are located in Highland, CA. -1956 MGA currently Black w/ red int, rebuilt engine 0 miles, new chrome wire wheels, needs int. installed and resto completed, NO rust solid car, non-op, $12500 obo. -1973 GT6 Green, black int., needs int. and misc put back together, non-op, $3000 obo. -GT6 (3) -Midgets (3) in various stages of disrepair, parts cars, no paper, make offer . No pictures yet. DW From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Feb 24 15:59:08 2009 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:59:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions Message-ID: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> FOT: I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? You can contact me off line. Western Eagle Racing Ron Jacobs From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 16:14:38 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:14:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 19:41:11 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:41:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link References: <20090222234835.JYQN12934.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@randall><2559E7EB64804CA187197B403C738733@userb38463fba5><004501c9954e$8253af80$86fb0e80$@com><004a01c9954e$e97d4ae0$bc77e0a0$@com> <20090223011441.D2778187663@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Hi Gang..I've been enjoying Tony's In Car Videos greatly(he sent me a link to them).......I sure would like to see more of Triumph Racing....Send the links to FOT......this stuff ..Makes My Day and keeps me 'Fired Up' To Race Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Tim Meinrenken on the Nordschleife - new link > Dunno if this helps, but I save the video to my web site. If you go to > http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyVideos.htm , and scroll to the bottom > of the page, there's a link to a copy of this file. If you right click, > choose "save as", (note where you saved it) and then run it from your > local computer you may have better success. You will need apple's quick > time to play it (I may be able to convert it to another format if > necessary). Much better quality than the usual You Tube video. I used to > do videos this way (not quick time ones, though), and after watching it > may go back to downloadable files. > > By the way, I have a new hosting company. I'm interested in what kind of > download speed you see. The download from the original source took about > two minutes with my relatively fast Internet connection. > > - Tony Drews > > At 06:37 PM 2/22/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >>Darn html... >> >>http://www.triumph-competition.de/video/aktuell >> >>Clark >>Clark W. Nicholls >>1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 2 rusty GT6's needing restoration) >>"Reality, it's not what you think." >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 24 22:49:51 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:49:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR Message-ID: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> I finally made the CVAR driver's school. I would like to thank this list as most of you contributed in my efforts to transform a rust bucket into a race car. Specifically I would like to acknowledge the sacrifices of my family that made this event possible. My wife spent many a lonely night wondering if I would ever come back into the house. I wonder why she puts up with me especially when I was breaking in the engine at 4am the morning of the event. She has really gone above and beyond the call these past few months while I painted and assembled the car. I have a huge debt to repay to her. I would like to thank fellow FOT member Bob Blake for infecting me with this disease in my early childhood by dragging me all around north Texas looking for this TR3. His passion for Triumphs rubbed off on me much to my wife's chagrin. Although he will deny it, he was a very helpful crew member this weekend while attending to a tech list about a page long that needed to be resolved before Saturday evening. He also spent the previous weekend helping me install the engine and transmission. Thanks Dad. I would like to thank Bob Kramar for his countless hours spent answering technical questions over the past 4 years and helping me through my first weekend. It is such a treat to have people like Bob around. After arriving at TWS 10 minutes late Friday morning, I went off to my class room session with a thermostat housing acting like a blow hole. I come back to a unit that is sealed up with some magical John Deer product which held tight for the weekend. For those of you that have not met Bob, he is one of those individuals that does not ask permission to help, he assesses the situation and dives right in without getting in the way. I would have never made it through the weekend without Bob, and his tools. His Wife even brought me a spare oil filter head from his stock of spares to help me with an oil pressure issue. They did all of this while their son Andrew was also taking the driver's school in a car that is very well prepared by Bob. As for the performance of the car, I have a few issues that I need help on. 1st oil pressure. I am running with Chevy rods which I know some others on the list are also running. For those of you running these rods as a piston guided setup, what oil pressure do you see cold & hot at 2000 & 5000 rpm? By the end of Saturday, I had the relief valve turned up such that cold at 2000rpm I was running 80psi. This got me to where I was seeing 60psi hot at 5000rpm. This seemed a bit low to me. When coming into the pits and the engine going below 2000rpm the pressure was dropping below 40psi. This was all with 20-50 VR1. Differential issues. I was experiencing excessive noise all weekend from the rear of the car. On Sunday it got bad enough to trailer the car. When I put it up in the air to investigate the source of the noise, I could take the driveshaft right at the input flange of the diff and move the input shaft of the diff in all directions about 1/4". This was a freshly rebuilt unit. I have not had a chance to pull the diff yet to open it up and investigate, but I am looking for any experience in what can cause a pinion bearing to let go at such an early stage n its life. Thanks, Greg From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Feb 24 22:22:03 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:22:03 EST Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR Message-ID: Greg, welcome to the family!! I could not agree more with your kind comments about Bob Kramer & family. They are truly great friends & people. Normally you would have had to put up with me too but I have plans to go to Mid-Ohio this summer to see an old friend and do a little joint racing. NO, not that kind! Ha ha so I had to put the Feb. TWS event off but count on seeing me down there this fall. I also plan to make Hallett & Eagles Canyon so hopefully we'll meet then. FoT is a tremendous group of caring individuals all driven by one singular desire....Preserve these fantastic vehicles. OK, and enjoy the heck out of them too! Others may disagree but I would not be that alarmed at the oil pressure. Can't offer much on the differential other than to say they are touchy beasties and must be shimmed and set up VERY correctly by someone a lot smarter than I. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 63 TR 4 # 69 **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From Billb at bnj.com Tue Feb 24 22:24:42 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:24:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR In-Reply-To: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: Congratulations! As far as oil pressure goes, 10 pounds per 1000 RPM hot is kind of the gold standard. sounds like you've got that. Roller and Ball bearings either fail right away or last a good while. no guess as to why yours failed, but it did. Replace it and all the other bearings in the diff (because they are now junk too), clean everything to a scrupulous degree and go on. Onward and upward. Race cars always have a punch list. they shrink and swell but never disappear. Welcome to the fraternity of people that mess with cars. It's a fine bunch, and it sounds like you've been genetically programmed to be part of it. Your family has my deepest sympathies, and ain't it fun. On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > I finally made the CVAR driver's school. I would like to thank this > list as most of you contributed in my efforts to transform a rust > bucket > into a race car. Specifically I would like to acknowledge the From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 23:21:26 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:21:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves Message-ID: <002501c99711$49ec9750$b1191718@computer> In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 01:10:32 2009 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:10:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves In-Reply-To: <002501c99711$49ec9750$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <828679.7279.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, The endless down sizing of the US auto parts industry may have resulted in some former TRW parts popping up in boxes marked with the Federal Mogul logos. A few years back I purchased some forged pistons for an American V-type engine that looked remarkably identical to old TRW stock in new Federal Mogul boxes. Perhaps you should attempt to contact a Federal Mogul supplier before they disappear from the landscape to see if they can identify the TRW part # 34657SS valves. Jim Prettyleaf --- On Tue, 2/24/09, jim hearn wrote: From: jim hearn Subject: [Fot] Anyone have an old TRW book to identify some valves To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 10:21 PM In my '74 TR6 head rebuild, I am trying to identify the existing valves to see if they are regular or stellite. They are TRW # 34657SS. Does anyone have an old TRW catalog to check or know the identity of these valves? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 06:30:08 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions In-Reply-To: <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> Message-ID: <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> Hey Bud If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the fees. They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. You know what I mean. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Feb 25 09:35:20 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Driver's school CVAR In-Reply-To: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> References: <000001c9970c$e04f39a0$6401a8c0@blake1> Message-ID: <49A57348.9010300@pobox.com> Congratulations Greg, Sounds like your pressure is marginally on the low side. We also run Chevy rods in our TR3 and cannot tell the oil pressure is any different from running stock rods. Mine run on a welded up stock crank rather than with spacers at the wrist pins, but that difference should not effect oil pressure. Did you replace the cam bearings when you rebuilt the engine? That is often overlooked on a rebuild. Are you running the accessory outside line to the rockers? That will rob some pressure from the rest of the system. I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about Bob. He's helped me a lot over the years. The key question is did you run enough sessions to get signed off for the weekend? What about Andrew Kramer? I noticed he was not listed as running the last few sessions. CVAR's licensing requirements of completing four full weekends within a year are tough when you're simultaneously trying to sort a new car. Of course, I also have to ask how you like the cam? Larry Young Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > On Sunday it got bad enough to trailer the > car. From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:12:05 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions In-Reply-To: <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> Message-ID: <000301c9977c$f33d0090$d9b701b0$@racer@comcast.net> It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It may vary from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover ambulance, EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and the biggee - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not run an event without any of them. Gary -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:30 AM To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions Hey Bud If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the fees. They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. You know what I mean. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said "I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > FOT: > I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. > The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. > Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) > to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much > dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's > TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? > You can contact me off line. > Western Eagle Racing > Ron Jacobs > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:27:24 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:27:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions References: <022420092259.28649.49A47BBC0006925E00006FE922230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> <8C8EB0596B52475DBB7838CEAAC16DDE@Bud> <001201c9974d$2dc0b610$89422230$@net> <000301c9977c$f33d0090$d9b701b0$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm kind of confused here..i didn't say anything about entry fees? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: "'Craig'" ; "'RACER BUD'" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It may vary > from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover > ambulance, > EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and the > biggee > - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not run an > event > without any of them. > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Craig > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:30 AM > To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > Hey Bud > If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering the > fees. > They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. > You know what I mean. > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:15 PM > To: westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > I don't have a spare engine but when gary read your email he simply said > "I > KNOW WHERE HE LIVES"..What does that mean?(:>) > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:59 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions > > >> FOT: >> I have had to put the rebuild of the engine for my TR4A race car on hold. >> The cost of a "race" engine in these times does not make much sense. >> Therefore I need a complete ready to go engine (less carbs, manifold etc) >> to drop in to my 66 TR4A so I can run this year. It can be pretty much >> dead stock as long as it is in good shape and can beat Gary Horstkorta's >> TR at CSRG and HMSA. Anybody have a spare engine laying (lying) around? >> You can contact me off line. >> Western Eagle Racing >> Ron Jacobs >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billbab at mac.com Wed Feb 25 14:08:46 2009 From: Billbab at mac.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:08:46 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR4 Engines and recessions References: Message-ID: <97144611-EB51-4D81-8AC0-A1E928B6DF13@mac.com> No, but Craig did, and I have to say that spell checkers aside, it's looks a little silly to pejoratively call someone geniuses when you spell it "genesis". Clubs don't make big money on events. In fact many usually lose some on a few, make some on a few and it all comes out in the wash. They set the fees where they suspect they will come out best. Too high and you don't get enough cars, too low and you can't cover expenses--there are a limited number of likely entries for every event except the huge ones like Monterey. Clubs are going to go through hard times this year i suspect. some may not survive. It behooves us all to be as supportive as we can be. No clubs=no races. Then what? i'll just be a hoodlum out tearing up backcountry roads, that's what, and no one wants to see that. > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 9:27 AM, RACER BUD wrote: > >> I'm kind of confused here..i didn't say anything about entry fees? >> Racer Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" > > >> To: "'Craig'" ; "'RACER BUD'" > >; ; >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:12 AM >> Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions >> >> >>> It's not just the track rental cost that dictates enter fees. It >>> may vary >>> from club to club but out here in the West, enter fees also cover >>> ambulance, >>> EMT, fire vehicle, tow trucks, corner workers, race stewards and >>> the biggee >>> - insurance. All are essential elements and our club would not >>> run an event >>> without any of them. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> To: 'RACER BUD'; westerneagleracing at att.net; fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Engines and recessions >>> >>> Hey Bud >>> If the genesis that run the races, don't start looking at lowering >>> the fees. >>> They may not have as many cars as it takes to run the events. >>> You know what I mean. >>> Craig From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Feb 25 14:23:43 2009 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Feb 25 14:48:34 2009 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <380-220092325214834333@M2W023.mail2web.com> Absolutely autocross school. It really gives confidence in their driving abilities and lets them understand the limits of the specific car they will be driving without harm (skid pad, slalom, etc.). I think it would also teach a little humility when they think they can handle something and they can't. Good luck! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: alfetta95 at optonline.net Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:23:43 +0000 (GMT) To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft. Windows. and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 14:49:39 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:49:39 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: I did not do that with my 4 kids(all grown now)..If they had been interested in it I would have.......I will say that ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PUT HER IN A SMALL CAR when she's ready to drive on her own...Your #1 job is to keep her safe..I hope she never has a fender bender...if she does you'll be glad she was not in something tiny Father Experience.. AKA Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Wed Feb 25 14:49:42 2009 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:49:42 -0000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: Todd Ive had my 7 year old out in karts and my 10 year old has navigated the TR4 through the Somerset lanes and had a go at some autotesting ...... dont you just love girls ...... Get her in there fast. I keep telling mine that one day, if she learns to peddle hard she'll meet someone like her Dad, but with more money and better cars. All the best Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Wed Feb 25 14:58:34 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:58:34 -1000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's a fine idea, and it can be very cheap. Most car clubs offer racing license classes pretty inexpensively. Take the class with her. Another very useful skill is skid control. See if any of the local performance driving schools have a skid control class. If I were king I'd revamp driver licensing in the US completely. You'd have to really study and really learn how to control a car before you could get even a permit. the US has four times the death and injury rate per capita of most european countries. It doesn't all come down to education and experience, but a lot of it does. On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:23 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 15:04:09 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:04:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PA requires that kids log 50 hours over 6 months with a parent prior to taking their driving test, while in learner's permit mode. 50 hours is a surprisingly significant amount of time, esp. accrued over 10-20 minute neighborhood trips. That's what we did with my now-17 year old. Even after she got her license, we limited her to daylight driving for a few months, no highway, no more than one friend in the car, radio off (I'm sure that was not adhered to), cell phone in the trunk, etc. The other thing that was immensely helpful in encouraging other drivers to give us a wide berth was a magnetic, bright yellow "student driver" sign stuck on the back of the car for the first few months. find 'em on the web for $10. On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:23 PM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Wed Feb 25 15:18:13 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:18:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCF9596E90B400CA4CF35B3C941A8D9@joepentiumnew> In my case, I took a whole lot of sedatives. My daughter went to driver's school and took the driving test 4 times before the instructor took pity on her and let her pass. One of the times she failed was because she hit another car while attempting to parallel park. My condolences! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:24 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Feb 25 15:49:31 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: STREET SURVIVAL go to streetsurvival.org I'm also a big fan of local solo events for reasons easily explained (see .sig). rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Feb 25 15:39:09 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090225225230.A61B0187652@autox.team.net> My oldest Daughter is soon to be 19 (in March) and when she got her learners permit back when she was 15.5 we of course did all the "normal" stuff in the neighborhood, city streets and parking practice in big empty parking lots. But one of the more enjoyable outings was to take a run on the Freeway to a small town outside the metro area to let her get the car up to speed and play with feeling what higher speed felt like. The small town I picked to drive out to had a good diner that I had been to quite a few times in the past that we hit for lunch. Got to spend some good time in the car with her and she got to drive in a bunch of different environments (open freeway, in-city freeway, surface streets, small town, etc...) When she turned 17 I had her go through the High Performance Driving class that I teach for NASA. She loved it and did the class one other time before she moved out of state to go to school up in Oregon. My middle daughter is getting her permit this week so I'm back in that same boat with you. The soon to be 17 year old son is a different story. He started racing karts when he was 9 so driving is no big deal to him. At 02:23 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote: >Amici, > >My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out >driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking >about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence >behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done >or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > >Thanks! > >Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! >Todd Redmond >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Feb 25 15:52:10 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:52:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76f1f3f26d7f8a7ac78385c3facabab9.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Autoweek has been really pushing a teen driver safety program - you might check their website to follow the whole discussion. I suspect that it will be there, but have not checked to be sure. On Wed, February 25, 2009 4:23 pm, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From deanesr at uncw.edu Wed Feb 25 16:12:45 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:12:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094516836F88C1@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Well guys I have three girls, yes it's been a hand full, the oldest is 28 now and when she started driving she used my Jeep or my wife's car, when we thought she had a little experience I gave her my Spitfire which I just put Webers and a header on, well in about 3 months of keeping her on one side of town I extended her range to do a doctors visit, at a stop light she ran into a Mexican guy that stopped three times under the light, she got the ticket, I got the car, trashed the bonnet, the Mexican couldn't speak English so the cop couldn't even write a ticket. He was a visitor in the country driving a Cat. with no American licenses. The next daughter bought her own car and I have one to go that will has a permit and she will by her own car. I don't let them drive any of my TR's !!! I am also looking at some sort of "advanced" school. Rob Deanes From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 25 16:32:37 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I vividly remember learning how to drive in N. Ireland as a teenager. It's *hard*. Driving test was about an hour long, maybe more. Was very real world. Go to this part of town. Parallel park. Parallel park on the *off* side on a one way street. Eye test was 'What is the license plate number on that green car over there?' Had to drive on city streets, residential streets, and highways (though not limited access, but pretty darn close). The sadists at MOT scheduled my first test for rush hour. Needless to say, I failed. Several times. The other thing that struck me as a teenager in NI was the zero tolerance to drunk drivers amongst my peers. This was 1979 mind you, and no one ever drove home drunk. There was always a DD. And plenty of drunk teenagers. :) The having to drive with the big red 'L' on your learner's permit and the 'R' (restricted) for 6 months after getting your license was a help too. As to sending your kid to performance driving school, I think it's a great idea. If I had kids, I would. And I'd send 'em to the motorcycle Basic Rider course, if for no other reason than to teach them to look out for bikes and to be able to drive anything we own. (the first car *is* a manual trans, right?) iii On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > It's a fine idea, and it can be very cheap. Most car clubs offer > racing license classes pretty inexpensively. Take the class with her. > Another very useful skill is skid control. See if any of the local > performance driving schools have a skid control class. If I were king > I'd revamp driver licensing in the US completely. You'd have to really > study and really learn how to control a car before you could get even > a permit. > > the US has four times the death and injury rate per capita of most > european countries. It doesn't all come down to education and > experience, but a lot of it does. > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 11:23 AM, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: > > > Amici, > > > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out > > driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking > > about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence > > behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done > > or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > > Todd Redmond > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > Paddlesurfing's Web Journal > > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rocky at spitfire4.com Wed Feb 25 16:27:55 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:27:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: <628D659A4A7A4F4FAAD4588780414458@rocky> All my kids, when they reach that magic age, get one full season of autocross in the race car, all expenses paid. Starts in the spring, carries through to a trip to the Solo Nationals. I tell them I don't care if they do well, I don't care if they fall in love with the sport or not, and I'm not trying to make race drivers out of them. What I want is for them to become more skilled, more aware drivers, and to have some idea of the car's capabilities and their capabilities in an emergency situation. I also tell them I don't care if they break the car as long as it happens on the track -- it's a race car; it WILL break sometime, the only question is when. But break something goofing off in the paddock they'll pay for the repair. If they do fall in love with the sport and want to keep doing it, they gotta rent the car or buy their own. Four kids down so far, two to go. Three are still doing it in their own cars. One says she's gonna but hasn't done much. Youngest daughter just turned 16 and looking forward to it. Youngest son is 13 and says he is totally uninterested. As for schools -- I'd recommend an autocross school rather than a racing school. Many of the techniques are the same but the environment is more real-world (street & highway speeds, not race track speeds). Cheaper too. Look at www.evoschool.com and see if there isn't an upcoming school reasonably near you. These schools you do in your street car. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Feb 25 16:41:28 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:41:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: <002801c997a2$955c9aa0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, you might try one of the nearby race tracks. I know BeaveRun near Pittsburgh has several Highway Safety programs including winter driving and road skills. They also have Flat Out days with three different skill levels; 1 and 2 have a riding instructor and 3 is for more serious folks with no instructor on board. The Flat Out days for Level 3 are $170 and works well as a test and tune day. Fair amount of track time and BeaveRun is a nice track. There's also a great cart track there. And skid pad. The new track in NJ may have a similiar program. Good luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Feb 25 17:02:59 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:02:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crane closes doors Message-ID: Crane Cams shuts down, workers laid off > > By JIM WITTERS > > Senior Business Writer > > DAYTONA BEACH " Crane Cams, a 56-year-old auto parts > manufacturer, closed its doors this week and laid off its employees, > a worker > said today. From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 25 17:26:27 2009 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:26:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <14763248.1235607987997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Todd: I don't normally get involved in these discussions but this one is important. The responses I've read so far to your question offer some thoughtful advice. I raised two drivers, a son and a daughter. The son wanted to be a racing driver. . . he learned the basics of driving well but, like all young (and older?) males he needed self control. His high school car was an MG Midget it tought him control at speeds that were relatively low, rather like his old man learning that in a TR3 back in high school, himself. (It may be small and dangerous but the biggest risk our kids run in the car is too many of their friends in there with 'em) I promised him a trip to the Skip Barber School if he survived one year with no accidents that were his fault and no tickets. He won that prize. He's now a vehicle dynamics engineer at Toyota, a regional SCCA champ, and a thoughtful parent. We ran the 25 hours of Thunderhill together a year ago. He was faster than I was. His sister had no interest in driving as anything but a means to become mobile. The manual gearbox in the MG just wasn't fair as her friends didn't have to deal with that sort of thing. She had an early accident in the Ford Exploder. No serious injuries... Her motivations were very very different. She's now (years later) a perfectly competent driver and will soon be a mom. She is NOW interested in cars and much prefers a manual gearbox. (and is lusting after an XK-120) Why the stories? Well, the story of my son illustrates the value of motivation. The kids either have it or they don't. He did. We can't create it for them. The story of my daughter illustrates the same thing but with the promise that these things sometimes change. Most importantly, though, you have to build the syllabus to the student. Sending a kid to car control school is only of value if the kid is interested. Racing (high performance anyway) school only means something if the kid has enough knowledge already to put what they learn into perspective. Otherwise they don't know enough to understand what they are learning. Give her time. Listen carefully to her to understand why she wants to drive and what her interests are. Then build your plan around that and around the other realities of your lives together. The fact that you are asking the questions is good enough evidence that you'll likely do the right thing. Good luck with it. kind regards, jimdonick -----Original Message----- >From: alfetta95 at optonline.net >Sent: Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM >To: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > >Amici, > >My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? > >Thanks! > >Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! >Todd Redmond >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 17:55:20 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:55:20 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After my two daughters got their license, a year or so after they started driving on the permit, we sent them to skid car school. The wife went with one daughter and I went with the other so it was sort of a driving school bonding deal. All of us learned from the experience, and even though it was over 12 years ago since the younger one took the school, we still talk about what we experienced, especially when driving on snow or ice. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:24 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com Wed Feb 25 18:17:23 2009 From: BillBartlett at wingnutracing.com (Bill Bartlett) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] chin spoiler Message-ID: <349474AF2BC22543A819F69FBBD38FE984A33BFF79@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> I am restoring a GT6+ to race again with SVRA. I am allowed a Group 44 style chin spoiler. I just purchased a spoiler from a good supplier but do not feel that it is as aggressive as what I recollect from the Group 44 team. The problem I am having is the black chin spoiler is difficult to see in pictures and I cannot find alternative suppliers. Does anyone have some good group 44 GT6 pictures with evident chin spoilers, and can anyone suggest possible suppliers Thank you Bill Bartlett From budscars at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 18:50:49 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:50:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: What a Terrific group FOT is...One guy asks for advice to help his family..and..it's like..Whammo!...the friendship and care comes flyin' out Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] What did you do? > After my two daughters got their license, a year or so after they started > driving on the permit, we sent them to skid car school. The wife went > with > one daughter and I went with the other so it was sort of a driving school > bonding deal. All of us learned from the experience, and even though it > was > over 12 years ago since the younger one took the school, we still talk > about > what we experienced, especially when driving on snow or ice. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of alfetta95 at optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:24 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] What did you do? > > > Amici, > > My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving > many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her > to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a > racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about > doing when your kid gets to this point? > > Thanks! > > Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! > Todd Redmond > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Wed Feb 25 18:53:56 2009 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:53:56 EST Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: Great discussion. My two that are of driving age both had the following offer. After getting their license I provided a car ('94 Jaguar with lots of miles. Big enough to be safe, rear-wheel drive, as God intended, to learn how to control on snow and ice covered Minnesota roads, interesting enough to be cool in the High school parking lot, and only $3,500!) paid insurance and maintained it. "A" honor role, no tickets, no accidents to keep the deal. I'll allow 1 ticket if it's minor, but beyond that, no "A"s, any accidents, and they pay their own insurance and maintenance. 2 tickets etc, they lose the car. We also did a lot of skid pad work in our local school parking lot after enough snow to make it fun. Both these two went to the VSCDA driver's school the year they turned 18, and have their vintage racing licenses. They are accident free, both Dean's list in college, and safe racers. It has worked for us! Growing-up in a racing family has helped a great deal in the safe attitude toward driving department. I'm very proud of them. John In a message dated 2/25/2009 3:40:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, alfetta95 at optonline.net writes: Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************You're invited to Hollywood's biggest party: Get Oscars updates, red carpet pics and more at Moviefone. (http://movies.aol.com/oscars-academy-awards?ncid=emlcntusmovi00000001) From srcypher at mac.com Wed Feb 25 19:56:12 2009 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:56:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: Out of my collection, I came across this GT6 bellhousing with a steel adapter plate; Does anyone recognize it, and/or could anyone tell me the bolt spacings on the known transmission adaptations people have done? Its about a 8"-1/4" bolt spacing at the top, 9-1/4" at the bottom, about 5" vertical spacing. Any leads on what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:56:32 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: <2F0AD128-78C2-483D-9F71-2FEEEF204986@xsmail.com> Out of my collection, I came across this GT6 bellhousing with a steel adapter plate; Does anyone recognize it, and/or could anyone tell me the bolt spacings on the known transmission adaptations people have done? Its about a 8"-1/4" bolt spacing at the top, 9-1/4" at the bottom, about 5" vertical spacing. Any leads on what to look for would be appreciated. Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 20:02:55 2009 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:02:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference In-Reply-To: <20090224050254.8493B187665@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000a01c997be$b9047fb0$b1191718@computer> Thanks for this tidbit Dave. Never would have known it was happening by my TV guide. It was very interesting. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:02 PM To: wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] US F1 Press Conference Got a Text this evening from Speed. "F1 Alert: Watch the US F1 Press Conference LIVE on Speed. Tuesday February 24th at Noon ET / 9:00am PT" Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Wed Feb 25 20:35:36 2009 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:35:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] >>NASS Unknown GT6 Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: <381429.10859.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2F0AD128-78C2-483D-9F71-2FEEEF204986@xsmail.com> <381429.10859.qm@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: sorry, go to my gallery link http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#100703 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Feb 25 20:47:32 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:47:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] SCCA TR3/4 Message-ID: <20090225.224732.18353.1@webmail19.dca.untd.com> I was just reading the SCCA's February Fastrack News and noticed that someone has proposed moving TR3's from EP to FP. Here is what was posted "FP  Move the Triumph TR 2/3/4 to FP/HP (Blust). Tabled for further research. " Is the "Blust" that requested this on the FOT list? I may be in support of this if they left the specs for the car the same as they are in EP. The March Fastrack News has nothing on this, so it must still be tabled. Joe(B) ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxUOPagXAWzQZGt5ZwzcmDbY7 dXPAoEO8iPJkfPG4fZBXRDE8Wp8lC/ From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Feb 26 01:24:43 2009 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:24:43 -0000 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? References: Message-ID: In the UK, I sent both my boys on a specialist driving course, based on the advanced police driving course used by 'the Met' in London. It included: 1. Driving on motorways (freeways) at the 70mph limit in the rush hour. Prior to the test, learner drivers aren't allowed on motorways at all. Motorway driving was a regular feature of the course as they needed variable weather and traffic conditions 2. Then there was the skid pan. A specially created driving centre with one whole day spent learning about skid occurence and prevention plus a further day in a specially adapted car with bald tyres on a wet and greasy surface. 3. Then additional classroom work on driving in fog and snow, putting what you'd learned into practise in a small simulator. The course lasted ten days and cost a fortune but it was probably the best investment I could have made in both my sons at a time when passing your driving test meant to many of my day - and later, that "you knew it all." IMHO, this sort of post-test instruction should be mandatory - but of course, governments usually have better ideas. Jonmac From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 26 05:47:46 2009 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:47:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] What did you do? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <272445.57663.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My 17 year old son has been around racing all his life and is fully aware of what to do and what not to do. The hard part for his is just getting seat time driving around the local area, highway trips, etc. The wife and I try to let him drive when ever he needs to go somewhere or will be in the car with us. Just remember that they learn from example. I got on Andrew's case on day for driving a bit to aggressively to which he replied "you drive like this!". And after a bit of thought and really watching what he was doing, I had to agree. He was straight line late braking and picking up the apexes. So what could I say but "be careful and aware of what is around you". I still feel a bit nervous with him, but I think that is the Father in me knowing what can happen with the other goofys on the road. I am sure that strapped in next to him on a track I would be talking him through it all and we both would be having the time of our lives. Thumbs up Steve --- On Wed, 2/25/09, alfetta95 at optonline.net wrote: From: alfetta95 at optonline.net Subject: [Fot] What did you do? To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 3:23 PM Amici, My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. I'm thinking about sending her to driving school for car control, confidence behind the wheel, not for a racing license, yet. What have you done or what are you thinking about doing when your kid gets to this point? Thanks! Look out Northern New Jersey Drivers! Todd Redmond Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 26 06:26:31 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 27, Issue 43 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "My daughter just received her driving permit. I've taken her out driving many times before she received her permit. " Skip Barber has (A little expensive, but who knows what it may save http://www.skipbarber.com/driving_school/mazda/new_driver.aspx ) a young driver training course at Limerock, I've seen it running in the infield while I was out for practice days. They were working on the skid pad, follow the driver exercises and a nice one on car control. They have a few lanes set up with cones and a set of stop lights, they would change the available lanes, via the stop lights and the drivers had to react. Sometimes they would close all 3 lanes and they practiced panic stops. All of this was done with Skippy's cars, in the infield circuit, nothing on the actual track. This is driver skill training, not competition driving. They already think they're immortal and since they passed the license test know everything about driving. This seemed to open their eyes up a little from the parents I talked to at the course. For my own kids early training started with our methanol Go Kart on the local track and moved to skid control in the snow behind the closed Mall. Lots of time behind the wheel, both during the permit sessions and after they got their licences, nothing beats time on the road., mike G. Michael Harmuth From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Feb 26 09:02:43 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 head & manifold porting Message-ID: <1405962915.631921235664163853.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Greetings FoT Ibm now working on my 2nd generation TR-4 race motor and I am in the process of further refining my port work. On the first build I did little more than match the ports from the head to the manifold, clean up some casting and knife edge the bridge where the intake splits. Upon closer examination of my previous work I noticed that by just matching up the ports I have opened up the intake ports at the head/manifold to 1-5/8b. Theoretically this would cause a bit of a stall in the flow as the intake runners are less than 1.5b and the port up to the valve is less than 1.5b, i.e. a fat spot midway to the valve. I am currently using a 1.5b valve to help me size the port in the head. Theoretically the largest part of the intake tract should be at the carb/intake joint and tapering down to the valve size of 1.5b to get max velocity of the fuel air mix. In order to do that I would need to open up the intake runners quite a bit and there isnbt a whole lot of material in the walls of the intake runners. At this point I can fit a 1.5b valve in the head port from the intake side almost down to the valve guide which I have taken down near flush with the port wall. Ibm running Mikuni HSR 45bs so flow from the carbs is the least of my troubles. Ibm curious as to how much can you or should you open up the intake runners. The exhaust side is a bit of a mystery as well with rectangular ports. Any advice in maximizing the flow/velocity on both sides would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Gray RMVR From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Feb 26 09:30:37 2009 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:30:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 to FP/HP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe, you'll be in HP now? I'm screwed mike 63 Spitfire I was just reading the SCCA's February Fastrack News and noticed that someone has proposed moving TR3's from EP to FP. Here is what was posted "FP  Move the Triumph TR 2/3/4 to FP/HP (Blust). Tabled for further research. " Is the "Blust" that requested this on the FOT list? I may be in support of this if they left the specs for the car the same as they are in EP. The March Fastrack News has nothing on this, so it must still be tabled. Joe (B) From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Feb 26 09:46:44 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Part needed Message-ID: <20090226164708.28458187661@autox.team.net> I need a steering wheel hub adapter for my Moto-Lita steering wheel for a TR6 project I am working on. I know I can purchase a new one from Moss etc. but I was wondering if an FOT member might have one at a lesser price. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 40639 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 27 07:46:50 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:46:50 EST Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher support to FOT and (3) 3XL DENIM SHIRTS AVAILABLE Message-ID: FOT, Ted is preparing to send monies to the FOT based on sales at Watkins Glen. FOT General Fund Motorsports Ministries In uncle jack's name Mark Bradakis In support of the FOT List activities. We thank Ted for his support.......Ted also has THREE 3XL DENIM SHIRTS LEFT FROM WATKINS GLEN and is looking for a home for these. It would be nice if he didnt get stuck with this overstock of inventory. Joe A From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Feb 27 08:24:11 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:24:11 EST Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination Message-ID: FoT, It is my pleasure to introduce...... Mitch Meisler is among that smaller fraternity of TR250 owners. We would use another one of those members. Mitch may have some questions in the future regarding performance improvements on his TR250 and may be able add some support, as well. Please welcome Mitch to the FOT with a second. It is his option to introduce himself with a little background....as he wishes. Joe A From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 08:56:55 2009 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <379612.2236.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 2nd --- On Fri, 2/27/09, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Mitchtr25068 at aol.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 9:24 AM FoT, It is my pleasure to introduce...... Mitch Meisler is among that smaller fraternity of TR250 owners. We would use another one of those members. Mitch may have some questions in the future regarding performance improvements on his TR250 and may be able add some support, as well. Please welcome Mitch to the FOT with a second. It is his option to introduce himself with a little background....as he wishes. Joe A Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Feb 27 09:00:49 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:00:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mitch Welcome! Tell us more about yourself and your car. Consider this a second or third, depending on your perspective. 6 cylinder Triumphs are "way kool". rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LOddTR at aol.com Fri Feb 27 10:40:59 2009 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:40:59 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: On March 10th, Triumph racers from near and far will descend on Virginia International Raceway to celebrate Martha McDougal's many years of service at the Triumph Works.This third annual event is THE focus event for the Triumph Ghetto for 2009. In addition to the massive track time that is available to the VDCA "Wild Hare Run" participants, the Ghetto will offer a Friday Feed with Rob Deanes' Famous Fish-Fry, accompanied by The Dean of Triumph's famous hush-puppies and baked beans. Landlubbers will enjoy Don's scrumptious Hot Dogs and Bubba's burgers, or maybe do a Surf 'n Turf. On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual Martha McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and Mark Wheatley as previous awardees. So, mark your calendar, shake off the cob webs and get your entry in. Martha McDougal Rides Again! Here is a link to the entry form: _http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf) Don Marshall Dean Tetterton Rob Deanes Leo Oddi **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Feb 27 12:25:02 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:25:02 EST Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: In a message dated 02/27/2009 11:42:13 AM Central Standard Time, LOddTR at aol.com writes: > On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual > Martha > McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes > the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and > Mark Wheatley as previous awardees. > Good Luck to this year's awardee. They don't come any better than Dennis and Mark. Rough acts to follow. Bill Dentinger ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Feb 27 14:27:17 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph ASPER? Message-ID: http://www.racingjunk.com/category/89/Sports_Racer/post/1476086/1959-Triumph -Asper-TR-raced-with-Pete-Brock.html [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 19:26:54 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 Message-ID: Has anybody run a set of 15 x 8 wheels on their big TR? If so what offset worked for you? Thanks, Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.:more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_ 022009 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 19:59:17 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:59:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! Message-ID: <26184003.1235789957894.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You guys are just too cool! I can only wish that my imagination were that good! My sadly crushed TR3 is nearly ready to go again and will hopefully make an appearance at the Sebring 12 hr support event in March. I have a driver committed for the SandyBeach for VIR and that sort of dooms me to bringing the FV for me to drive. Too bad, I'd have been tickled to campaign for Glen to be the nominated wrench given what he had to do go bring it back. For those of you that saw it at VIR last year, it would mean something to know that we bought NO NEW SHEETMETAL. It was all fixed with hammer,dolly and torch. Oh yea, Glen hates Bondo as well. See you there, Mike -----Original Message----- >From: LOddTR at aol.com >Sent: Feb 27, 2009 12:40 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net, FDanovitz at aol.com, schnabel at starband.net, slaterptrs at bellsouth.net, rs58a6 at bellsouth.net >Subject: [Fot] Mark Your Calendar - April 10-12 Martha McDougal Rides Again! > >On March 10th, Triumph racers from near and far will descend on Virginia >International Raceway to celebrate Martha McDougal's many years of service at >the Triumph Works.This third annual event is THE focus event for the Triumph >Ghetto for 2009. > >In addition to the massive track time that is available to the VDCA "Wild >Hare Run" participants, the Ghetto will offer a Friday Feed with Rob Deanes' >Famous Fish-Fry, accompanied by The Dean of Triumph's famous hush-puppies and >baked beans. Landlubbers will enjoy Don's scrumptious Hot Dogs and Bubba's >burgers, or maybe do a Surf 'n Turf. > >On Saturday we will strike a somber pose as we award the Third Annual Martha >McDougal Trophy, sponsored by the TR ghetto. This prized award recognizes >the preeminent TR pilot/mechanic/crew member and boasts Dennis DeLap and Mark >Wheatley as previous awardees. > >So, mark your calendar, shake off the cob webs and get your entry in. Martha >McDougal Rides Again! > >Here is a link to the entry form: >_http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/EntryVIR09.pdf) > >Don Marshall >Dean Tetterton >Rob Deanes >Leo Oddi >**************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your >neighborhood today. >(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Fri Feb 27 22:19:50 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 15 x 8 wheels on a TR4-6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A8C976.4000409@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=12 mjb. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 08:22:12 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:22:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Speaking of porting and Polishing??? Message-ID: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> In reading the competition preparation manual they mention polishing intake manifolds. I thought I read or was told when building a V8 years ago that polishing is no longer recommended because fuel condenses on the manifold surface with laminar flow. A slight texture e.g. minor grind or casting marks keeps a turbulant flow which keeps fuel atomized. I wonder also if this is only for aluminum manifolds e.g. heat loss and if it extends inside the head. thoughts??? I am currently doing some port matching and casting removal on both the head and TR3 manifold. Can't wait for spring - more snow in upstate NY - california dream'n... M BTW I don't need a maui weather update Bill... ;o) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 28 09:13:25 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 06:13:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Speaking of porting and Polishing??? In-Reply-To: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000801c999b8$55082880$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: Cold here, very cold. And dreary as hell. On Feb 28, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > In reading the competition preparation manual they mention polishing > intake > manifolds. I thought I read or was told when building a V8 years ago > that > polishing is no longer recommended because fuel condenses on the > manifold > surface with laminar flow. A slight texture e.g. minor grind or > casting marks > keeps a turbulant flow which keeps fuel atomized. I wonder also if > this is > only for aluminum manifolds e.g. heat loss and if it extends inside > the head. > thoughts??? > > I am currently doing some port matching and casting removal on both > the head > and TR3 manifold. > > Can't wait for spring - more snow in upstate NY - california > dream'n... > > M > > BTW I don't need a maui weather update Bill... ;o) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Feb 28 09:31:12 2009 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 69 years young Message-ID: Best birthday regards to Mario Andretti..! K. Lynch From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Feb 28 09:54:30 2009 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:54:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car for sale Message-ID: <04FCF3029A746F45A45C890A93E76805EC5D@ttcserver.TRIUMPH.local> I talked with JK Jackson yesterday, he told me Bill Forbes TR4 racecar is for sale. Bill was JK's racing buddy, he passed away December 2007. Bill was a very talented machinist, and was responsible for making lots of the trick stuff he and JK devised over the years. I have to believe Bill's car is a trick item. JK got a call from Bill's family, apparently the car needs a new home. I have no idea what the family is asking. The car is a TR4 tub on a TR4A-IRS chassis. All steel panels. Bill hillclimbed the car, so the car has an extensive roll cage. The car ran 3 events in 2007. Bill was faster than JK in 2 of the 3 events, that says something. The car last ran in December 2007. It has a JK OD gearbox, a welded 4.10 rear, a set of 15X7 Minilites with race tires, another set of 7 inch wheels, tons of spares, etc. As my slant on this obsession is Vintage road racing, I asked a few questions and it seems to me to be Vintage legal one may need to rework the cage (not many halo cages where I race) and either remove the slight fender flares or BS you way through tech with clubs that don't like flares. (Sorry Jack) Oh yeah, and scare up some 6" wide wheels. Please direct any interest to JK at 850.575.9372. That is his shop number, he's usually there 9-5, M-F. No answering machine, and no, JK does not do email... Cheers From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 28 09:59:14 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:59:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hardware Message-ID: I have had an inquiry about what most are using for the main cap fasteners of the TR-4 engine. Studs and nuts? Any help here? His inquiry to ARP has gone unanswered. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Kas Kastner.vcf] From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 08:59:39 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:59:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing Message-ID: <20090228170442.ABC681878E1@autox.team.net> In one of uncle jack's minor hospital stays, to stave off boredom he wrote up a "brain dump" on building a wet sleeve Triumph TR motor. It was intended for sharing purposes, so I'll do just that. I'll post it on my website in a bit, but here's the Head section (hopefully I don't hit the message size limit): Also, be very careful with the whole "port matching" deal - it's very easy to do more harm than good. Jack and the flowbench found a zillion things that obviously would improve flow that actually hurt flow instead. Unfortunately, I don't know all of the tricks. Having a little step in there is better than having the intake manifold suddenly go to a larger diameter. You cannot go more than 7 degrees from a "straight tube" or the flow separates from the sides and you generate turbulence that actually reduces the effective diameter of the tube. My head flows almost as good as the best one Jack did, and the intake ports are 1 9/16" at the outer face and I run stock diameter valves. - Tony Drews Head 1. Porting the head. I will tell you what to do to get about 80% of the flow improvement that a professional head flower (crazy term) will get. 2. Intake Size the ports per Kass book, 1-1/2 all the way from the manifold face to the valve guide. Take most of the metal off of the short side. Remove the bump that is just inside the manifold face in the port, adjacent to the head bolt hole. Make the short side radius just under the valve seat as smooth and consistent a radius as possible. Leave the port just under the valve seat a little smaller than the valve seat, so that when the machine shop puts in the three angle competition valve seat, you get the full effect of the velocity-inducing three angle seat. 3. Exhaust - with a long shank carbide cutter, remove the big bump in the floor of the bowl where the guide comes through. When viewed from above, if you had x-ray vision, you would see that the path of the port is S-shaped, Remove metal from the inside of the S closest to the valve. Removing more does not do much for flow. 4. Here are the instructions to the machine shop: A. Clean the head thoroughly. Replace the rear freeze plug. B. If they accidentally put a head with aluminum pushrod tubes in a caustic tank, the tubes will disappear. Do not despair. It is really easy to replace them with > aluminum tubing C. The aluminum plug on the top of the head may leak. It is in a threaded hole, and after removing, you can tap it to NPT and put a pipe plug in it. D. Tell them how much to mill. If they are a good shop, you can just tell them the ccs you want in a combustion chamber and they can mill to that. It is risky to take off more than .165 from the stock head thickness of 3.xxx. E. Install guides if you are using the bronze guides, they MUST have .004 stem clearance. The shops take some convincing, but if clearance is less in these old engines, the heat will cause the guide to shrink and the valve to stick, perhaps destroying the entire engine. F. When you get the head back, put a small bead of JB Weld around the edge of the rear freeze plug. Also chamfer the edge of the combustion chamber to remove the hot spot corner created by the milling operation. G. Tell the machine shop the amount of lift of the valves, and have them machine the valve guide accordingly. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 10:09:27 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:09:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) Message-ID: <20090228171001.B067918763F@autox.team.net> I sent a post with some "uncle jack" advice on porting that didn't make it through yet - probably too long. In that post, I promised that I'd put this information along with the rest of uncle jack's engine building tips on my website. Jack wrote this up in one of his brief hospital stays to stave off boredom. He fully intended this to be shared - it's basically a brain dump of many years of engine building experience. I'm still formatting it, and will have to leave in a little bit (so the fully formatted version will be up later today) but the content is all there. http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm - Tony Drews From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:11:56 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Head thickness Message-ID: <000601c999c7$a966d480$6401a8c0@HP> Thanks the consensus is 3.325 to 3.330 Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:17:05 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] What did you do? Message-ID: <000601c999c8$6126c710$6401a8c0@HP> two things come to mind as I consider my 3 kids: Autocross - low consequence, lots of fun, moderate stress and speeds comensurate with real driving. The last thing I want for my youngest in particular is for him to get comfortable at 100mph. Second - I agree with Click and Clack - Volvo Volvo Volvo - they suggest an old 240, I would hold out for an airbag... Best, M From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Feb 28 10:37:41 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:37:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) Message-ID: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Fantastic - thanks I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or leave a slight grind finish... Cheers, M From Billb at bnj.com Sat Feb 28 10:42:36 2009 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:42:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <17997274-0F08-4ABF-A6A6-48390FFA4405@bnj.com> You can polish the ports if you like, but it doesn't add a thing. You'll see no difference on a flow bench. On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Fantastic - thanks > > I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or > leave a slight > grind finish... > > Cheers, > > M > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 10:50:18 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:50:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> References: <000601c999cb$4216a180$6401a8c0@HP> Message-ID: <20090228175052.7C69F18763F@autox.team.net> Don't bother polishing. My understanding is that the polishing does more for the ego of the person receiving the polished part than it does for actual flow. - Tony At 11:37 AM 2/28/2009, Mark Eginton wrote: >Fantastic - thanks > >I am still curious if I should get out my polishing compound or leave a slight >grind finish... > >Cheers, > >M >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Feb 28 11:15:55 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:15:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228171001.B067918763F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> > Jack wrote this up in one of his brief hospital stays to > stave off boredom. He fully intended this to be shared - > it's basically a brain dump of many years of engine building > experience. WOW, what a gold mine! Thanks, Tony! Randall - still kicking myself for not having uncle jack do a head for me From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Feb 28 13:10:02 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:10:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... Terry Stetler From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Feb 28 13:21:04 2009 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:21:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Hardware References: Message-ID: We use top quality Grade 8 cap screws (bolts) after bottom tapping all of the bolt holes. Curtiss Industries makes very good bolts. ARP also has suitable 12 point 1/2" uss cap screws, I do not have the part number handy at the moment. I like to use Metric 12 mm "wave washers" under the heads of the bolts. These "wave washers" which are German "Din" spec lock washers are hard and smooth, so they help give consistent & uniform torque figures to secure the main caps. 90 lbs. ft. of torque with motor oil as lub is plenty. We have never had a problem using these parts. Greg Solow From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 15:10:32 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:10:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> Message-ID: <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the top of a piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center punch). The idea, as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in the combustion chamber. - Tony At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? > >Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the >entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf >ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black >arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... > >Terry Stetler >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Feb 28 15:17:49 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:17:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall> <20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> Actually it was "turbulence" they were after, not "swirl". - Tony At 04:10 PM 2/28/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the >top of a piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center >punch). The idea, as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in >the combustion chamber. > >- Tony > >At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >>Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? >> >>Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along the >>entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a golf >>ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the black >>arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... >> >>Terry Stetler >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sat Feb 28 15:28:55 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:28:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) In-Reply-To: <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> References: <20090228181555.RBPR4483.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@randall><20090228221111.6DDB4187647@autox.team.net> <20090228221826.335B1187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: With the amount of squish area and the high compression used in our racing engines I don't think that more turbulence is required for better combustion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Porting and Polishing (and engine building tips in general) > Actually it was "turbulence" they were after, not "swirl". > > - Tony > > At 04:10 PM 2/28/2009, Tony Drews wrote: >>One of the circle track motor building articles I read showed the top of a >>piston that had been dimpled (looked like with a center punch). The idea, >>as I recall it, was to promote more "swirl" in the combustion chamber. >> >>- Tony >> >>At 02:10 PM 2/28/2009, Terry Stetler wrote: >>>Perhaps the term "port shaping" would better describe what is necessary? >>> >>>Also, it would seem that if you could put a uniform surface texture along >>>the >>>entire port, that would guarantee laminar flow, much as the dimples on a >>>golf >>>ball do, that would be the way to go. But now we are getting into the >>>black >>>arts, and gray areas of the GCR, etc... >>> >>>Terry Stetler >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>>Fot mailing list >>>Fot at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Feb 28 18:51:13 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:51:13 EST Subject: [Fot] Hardware Message-ID: Just ordered a set from ARP. Actually two, one for a friend. They are still recommending bolts rather than studs & nuts. I have all the deminision but am in California at the Vintage Motorsport Council Mtg and won't be back when the info is until Monday. If you still need it just let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO 63 TR 4 #69 **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Feb 28 20:39:04 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O.T.: Paul "The Rest of the Story" Harvey, Dead at 90 Message-ID: <49AA0358.3080500@greenheart.com> Another great one gone. --Justin http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090301/ap_on_en_ot/obit_harvey