From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 1 03:08:15 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:08:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601ca726e$347348e0$9d59daa0$@com> A good paint polish is working well too on this subject. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Horstkorta Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 02:31 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy Hello: I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the inside and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a terry cloth towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows are virtually as good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked the Internet and Novus has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial interest in this product, just want to pass along the info for a product that worked for me. Gary 69 TR6 62 TR4 You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From gp89 at charter.net Tue Dec 1 03:41:30 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 2:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20091201054130.WX4E7.9555245.root@mp07> Great stuff. I keep a bottle of 1 and 2 in the saddlebag. Gets rid of the clouds left behind when I don't apply the rain x properly. Jeff Senty ---- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic > windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on > their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety > hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, > but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found > in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had > purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to > clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Dec 1 17:15:00 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block Message-ID: Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 17:20:47 2009 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block Message-ID: Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 1 18:22:44 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:22:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block References: Message-ID: What a place to start bringing the old website back to life. I guess thats what infamy is all about. Gee thanks Brad. Bob ps: I know the pictures wont make it through Salt Lake City but I've attached a few pics of what we broke recently for your special pleasure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block > Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our > website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident > occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this > amazing new product. > > Susan took the time to document his efforts and > although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't > here is the new link to it: > > http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ > > Enjoy! > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 007.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 009.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 010.jpg] From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Dec 1 18:48:26 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Ummm ... what size catch tank is used, if at all, with this type vent system ? Curious ... slightly, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph ; Triumphs Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 7:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 1 19:01:08 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:01:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block In-Reply-To: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC410A72C39FE7-C08-109C4@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> for total containment: a hot tub for four people Ummm ... what size catch tank is used, if at all, with this type vent system Curious ... slightly, ob T -----Original Message----- rom: Brad Kahler o: Friends of Triumph ; Triumphs Triumphs at autox.team.net> ent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 7:15 pm ubject: [Fot] Vent-a-block ue to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our ebsite. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident ccur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this mazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and lthough many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't ere is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad ou are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 1 19:16:29 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Custom Trailer for Small Bore Race Cars & Small Collector Cars In-Reply-To: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC410C9805F2A3-C08-10D82@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I engaged a high quality trailer manufacturer to develop an open trailer to my specifications. Objectives: Heavy Duty Light Weight Low Cost Features: Front Fairing EZ Loading Garagable Flat Strap Winch Objectives appear to be mutually exclusive, but it appears that they have been achieved. Base Price will be under $2,000 If anyone has been in search of such a trailer, I have initial pictures and costs are forthcoming. Contact me for pictures and your level of interest. Regards, Joe A From britbits at netzero.com Tue Dec 1 20:17:55 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:17:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <12DA79FF-4702-4ADD-BB9D-7FCCFEDE3B87@bnj.com> References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> <12DA79FF-4702-4ADD-BB9D-7FCCFEDE3B87@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001f01ca72fe$0b2b30c0$e6513542@jrg> Actually, there is a #3. Really abrasive. The Container Store used to carry the Novus polishes. I used 1, 2, and 3 when building custom hi-brite LCD monitors in custom frames. Did ok on the plexiglass. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:22 PM To: Gary Horstkorta Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy No question, best plastic polish I've ever tried. comes in two forms that i know of #1 and #2. #2 has some fine grit to it and removes scratches. Also apparently fills them somehow. Probably a soluble polymer like the old eagle One plastic polish had (it was really good too, but Valveoline changed the formula and now it sux) #1 is more of a cleaner/polish and fills scratches but doesn't buff. Both are magic and great for lexan shields. My helmet visors last 10X longer because of these products. On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" > plastic windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my > TR6 were on their way to being opaque which made driving with the top > up a safety hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic > cleaner & polish, but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of > plastic polish I found in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus > Plastic Polish No. 2. I had purchased this product a few years ago > from the local TAP Plastics store to clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. > > > > Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the > inside and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a > terry cloth towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows > are virtually as good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked > the Internet and Novus > has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial > interest in this product, just want to pass along the info for a > product that worked for > me. > > > > Gary > > > > 69 TR6 > > 62 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=zNlw_DCFaGLLXG-SWrUPZQAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 1 22:22:59 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <012201ca730f$83bd10b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I use a product called Plexus on the plexiglas hoods on Isolettes (infant incubators) at work. Also on my visor and many other things. Works great, but don't inadvertently inhale any fumes. News Flash!!!!: NO snow fell in Erie in November! First time since 1936, I think, that it didn't snow in November in Erie! (Notice I didn't mention October?) Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic > windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on > their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety > hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, > but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found > in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had > purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to > clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. > > > > Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the inside > and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a terry cloth > towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows are virtually as > good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked the Internet and Novus > has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial interest in > this product, just want to pass along the info for a product that worked for > me. > > > > Gary > > > > 69 TR6 > > 62 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 2 06:44:07 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track Message-ID: There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap in Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 2 07:36:55 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:56:14 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:56:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Lots of pictures still coming in. Check out this website, there are many photos of victory circle with thr FOT coat of arms and the race, http://photobyedmund.smugmug.com/Runoffs/EP/09252009-Race-1/9141788_iRsiL#668 605985_LP9GZ Sam > To: s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am > Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > > There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap > n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > http://www.fot-racing.com > > ot at autox.team.net > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 2 13:40:08 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:40:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: References: , <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701A4D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Joe! How the heck did you manage to "sneak" that FOT logo onto the podium?? I pictured a tiny little sticker on the wall behind the drivers. Cripes, I'm guessing the more observant sponsors are wondering how much that unidentified company had to pay for that awesome front-and-center feature. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Halkias Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:56 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track Lots of pictures still coming in. Check out this website, there are many photos of victory circle with thr FOT coat of arms and the race, http://photobyedmund.smugmug.com/Runoffs/EP/09252009-Race-1/9141788_iRsi L#668 605985_LP9GZ Sam > To: s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am > Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > > There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap > n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > http://www.fot-racing.com > > ot at autox.team.net > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slid eid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Dec 2 14:13:19 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Mike Paradise Message-ID: <4B16D86F.10809@pobox.com> Sorry to bomb the list. He's not responding to emails to mikeparadise at comcast.net. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 2 19:24:54 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Message-ID: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 2 19:58:08 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> there is a guy who converts the OEM tachs to electric. he would be listed in the British Motor Trade Association membership website -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Hassall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From GRMTim at aol.com Wed Dec 2 20:47:51 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:51 EST Subject: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: A lot of people had comments and most had positive things to say about our idea. 1. No Spitfire drivers are left out, as they are continuation cars. Hi Tim, Any chance of expanding the years up to at least 1972. Alot of Spit and GT6 drivers will be left out if you cut it off at 1965. Thanks Andy Stark 72 Gt6 72 Spitfire. 2. As for schedule, I thought that was in the original release. The events are SVRA Roebling in April, the Mitty at Road Atlanta, the first weekend in May. Mid Ohio SVRA in June and then HSR Savannah in October. 3. As for adding other events. It is our intent to host a four event series this year which is manageable. Once this has succeeded, we will most likely widen the series and invite other sanctioning bodies to get involved. 4. As for other smaller sanctioning bodies. I heartily agree that everyone does things a little differently and some offer more track time for less money than HSR and SVRA. That said, while we like and respect and write about all sanctioning bodies and will continue to do so, the guys at SVRA and HSR asked me for ideas to make my crowd (you guys) feel more at home at their events again and this small-bore series is what we came up with. Obviously, if you support it, I will have ammo to go to bat next year for more of this type of stuff and an expanded schedule. If you poo poo it, this whole idea will be much more difficult. 5. Someone asked about enduro length. The races will be 40-60 minutes, depending on the event with a mandatory pit stop. JK Jackson and I will use this format to share the TR3. The idea was to make car sharing practical. 6. Any other questions, let me know. I am here night and day. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Dec 2 20:49:21 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Try Nissonger, I understand the conversion to your Tach may cost about $350 (?). I priced up the conversion a couple months ago for my Spit. Check their website, not sure on the spelling, also listed in Hemmings. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: jhassall at blacksburg.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? there is a guy who converts the OEM tachs to electric. he would be listed in the British Motor Trade Association membership website -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Hassall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Dec 2 21:27:27 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:27 EST Subject: [Fot] change of email address Message-ID: I need to get the FOT digest sent to my new email address instead of the old one which I am about to discontinue. The old one is Guyots3 at wmconnect.com The new one is lordleonusa at yahoo.com nothing to do with AOL so MJB should be happier! How do I do this please? Many Thanks Leon Guyot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Thu Dec 3 00:03:55 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B1762DB.4000501@cyberspeedway.net> MO-MA (mother Margaret) in Albuquergue is a Smiths and Jaeger expert repair shop. She covered factory warranty repairs for Leyland. I had her build an electric tach for my TR6 with 0-8000 rpm artwork which looks just like the stock tach. She recalibrates speedos to match your diff ratio and tire size also. MO-MA 1321 2nd st NW Albuquerque, NM 505 766 6661 Greg Lund From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 3 00:27:17 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:27:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] change of email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B176855.2040504@bradakis.com> > I need to get the FOT digest sent to my new email address instead of the > old one which I am about to discontinue. > > The old one is Guyots3 at wmconnect.com > > The new one is lordleonusa at yahoo.com > > nothing to do with AOL so MJB should be happier! > > How do I do this please? > You go to the admin link included in every message. You unsubscribe your old address. You subscribe your new one. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 3 03:48:05 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:48:05 +0100 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000601ca7406$1af01d50$50d057f0$@com> I have implanted a Porsche 944 tach into my TR4 using the stock face and housing. It has up to 8000 rpm and does work fine so far. The stock finger of the TR4 is quite heavy so the tach does wave for a moment after shifting. The face for the 8000 rpm I made with a CD label kit. In AutoCad I made the new numbers and printed it on the CD label, did cut it out and put the sticker onto the face. The cost for this is the Porsche tach (about 50$) and the CD label sticker. Cheap stuff. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 03:25 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 3 07:51:59 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:51:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Jim, I purchased one from Summit Racing, not very expensive if I remember correctly. It dropped right in but I had to machine up a face ring out of delrin, used the ring to clamp it to the dash by tapping two holes in the ring, putting in some threaded rod, sticking the rod through the dash and putting nuts on the back side. It turned out pretty clean if your not a stickler for originality. Next time I go out to the shop I will take some pictures and email them to you since it is out right now for my rebuild. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 07:54:59 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:54:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Folks, > > Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a > perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it > doesn't. APT Instruments (www.gaugeguys.com) will pull your mechanical tach guts an install the guts from a Smiths electric tach for roughly $200. It's not cheap, but it looks right. I did this on my street car andit seems to work okay. If you want to do it yourself, I think the screws holding the tach face to the guts are the same for the big TRs and other British cars that use Smiths tachs, so in theory you can pop the needle off, remove the screws from the face plate and switch the guts. But gaugeguys are pretty good, IMHO. I had mine done maybe 5 years ago. > tia > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Dec 3 07:57:17 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:57:17 EST Subject: [Fot] change of email address Message-ID: In a message dated 12/03/2009 1:43:22 AM Central Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > You go to the admin link included in every message. You unsubscribe > your old address. You subscribe your new one. > While that seems reasonable for us common folk, now that Leon is a 'Lord,' surely one of the surfs should do that for him. Bill (Damdinger) With tongue planted firmly in cheek. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 3 09:03:48 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:03:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] change of email address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091203160348189.CNCE20286@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > How do I do this please? Click on the link at the bottom of every message. At the very bottom of the web page, click the button that says "Unsubscribe or change options". On the next page, fill in your email address & password (or click the "Password reminder" button if you've forgotten your password). Once you've logged in, the configuration page allows you to specify a new email address. Randall From cak at dimebank.com Thu Dec 3 16:28:49 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:28:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> Most gauge shops will do this, including gaugeguys.com. I had mine done locally (at Palo Alto Speedo) ... I *might* have saved enough in shipping to cover their higher price :-) The thing to realize about this conversion is that the electronics are fairly modern - which means that they'd like to have something like reasonably consistent voltage. If your TR4 is still running a generator, you may not like the results. I believe that something like http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm would be a good way to fix that problem, short of the alternator conversion - I'm planning an alternator conversion eventually, so I haven't had a chance to play with one. chris From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 3 18:16:11 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:16:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> References: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <427B5C15C8A44F23980A0850AF27EFD1@jdnet.deere.com> > which means that they'd like > to have something like reasonably consistent voltage. If your > TR4 is still running a generator, you may not like the results. Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. IMO alternators give even higher voltage swings than generators, mostly at high charging currents with the unit cold. And they don't always keep up with the electrical load with the engine idling; so any 'modern' instrument needs to take all that into account. > I believe that something like > > http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm > > would be a good way to fix that problem, Interesting device, but it's maximum input is only 14v, while most alternators will put out 15v on cold start. Not to mention the spikes when a load is suddenly removed (like turning off the headlights). TR2-4 generators can also get into the 15v range, with light loads (no-load voltage is supposed to be set to between 15.6 and 16.1 volts). -- Randall From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Dec 3 21:14:19 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4D23AD79925C4980B574EB94DF7CA8F9@ComputerPC> I'm using a Stewart Warner 5 in. tach that I got from Racer Parts Wholesale. Nisonger is converting our mech. tachs to electronic but its pretty expensive, I understand. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? > Folks, > > Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a > perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if > it doesn't. > > tia > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From cak at dimebank.com Fri Dec 4 14:37:22 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:37:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> > Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! In another car, I've had problems with voltage swings and electronics - a rally computer, something *made for automotive use* would reset itself mid-event, apparently because of voltage issues. The manufacturers realized that this was a problem and sell another box to do "voltage conditioning" :-) Dunno. All in all, a mechanical tach might be a better way to go in our old cars! From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Dec 4 16:23:14 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:23:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] in search of .010" rod bearing shell Message-ID: I had a set of AE Glacier .010" rod bearings for a TR4 moly-coated and one of the shells was damaged by the cooking process. Any chance somebody has a spare lying about or is in need of a partial set? I'd hate to waste the other 7 half shells. They are stamped S6832SA and the box shows B4331SA 010 as a part number. Bob Kramer From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Dec 4 16:54:39 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:54:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <4B19A13F.5000608@blacksburg.net> On 12/4/2009 4:37 PM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. > > My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is that the > tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful measurements but the > little that I did led me to believe that the voltage was likely to drop > *below* the critical voltage of whatever regulator is now inside the > tach shell! > > In another car, I've had problems with voltage swings and electronics - > a rally computer, something *made for automotive use* would reset itself > mid-event, apparently because of voltage issues. The manufacturers > realized that this was a problem and sell another box to do "voltage > conditioning" :-) > > Dunno. All in all, a mechanical tach might be a better way to go in our > old cars! I'm sadly coming to the same conclusion. I thought about designing a voltage conditioner, but decided I've created enough "side projects" with this car :-/ To compound the voltage problem, many of the tachs I've looked at won't work with my Crane ignition, and there's no chance I'll give it up. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 4 18:40:58 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:40:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> > My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is > that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful > measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that > the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage > of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! Very possibly, my point was just that I don't think an alternator conversion is going to fix that; unless your alternator puts out enough at idle to keep up with the maximum load. Even the 60 Amp Ford alternator on my TR3A wouldn't keep up with headlights plus radiator fan, at idle. IOW the problem is not your charging system, it's the tach (assuming that the wiring is sound, etc.). Any "reasonable" car electronic device should work down to at least 10v and up to at least 16v (and withstand pulses much higher than that). (If memory serves, the tractor company I work for insists that our devices work properly from 7 volts to 30 volts, not sure what the impulse rating is.) BTW, Jim, you might look at a MSD tach adapter. One of their units should make almost any tach work with a Crane XR700. -- Randall From jmwagner at greenheart.com Fri Dec 4 20:58:55 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:58:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist Message-ID: <4B19DA7F.5070206@greenheart.com> 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no connection.... --Justin 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 4 23:51:58 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:51:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: actually, a surprising number of automotive devices won't work well at 12 volts. On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Randall wrote: >> My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is >> that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful >> measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that >> the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage >> of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! > > Very possibly, my point was just that I don't think an alternator conversion > is going to fix that; unless your alternator puts out enough at idle to keep > up with the maximum load. Even the 60 Amp Ford alternator on my TR3A > wouldn't keep up with headlights plus radiator fan, at idle. > > IOW the problem is not your charging system, it's the tach (assuming that > the wiring is sound, etc.). Any "reasonable" car electronic device should > work down to at least 10v and up to at least 16v (and withstand pulses much > higher than that). (If memory serves, the tractor company I work for > insists that our devices work properly from 7 volts to 30 volts, not sure > what the impulse rating is.) > > BTW, Jim, you might look at a MSD tach adapter. One of their units should > make almost any tach work with a Crane XR700. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 4 23:52:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:52:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Local Car Collection for sale Message-ID: <4B1A033C.8020105@microworks.net> NFI Looks like a guy (Phil Smid) that both Bill Close and I know is selling his cars. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1494454140.html From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 4 23:54:17 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:54:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The others... Message-ID: <4B1A0399.9090300@microworks.net> Again, NFI http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1494504371.html From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Dec 6 08:20:01 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:20:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us in the Ghetto. Don -----Original Message----- From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend to pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? Bruce Stutzman WPTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ofbracing" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. > > In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit organizers > that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. In > the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given us > lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure there > are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. > > This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming > up > December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and > the > free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday > night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf n' > Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are > invited. Don From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 6 08:34:05 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:34:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist References: <4B19DA7F.5070206@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <2661B693E3344334A52D5D97A8696FB0@latitudefb1e41> If any FOT are looking for TR3/4 con rods contact me. I have many, too many. I don't think I am alone in this:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist >4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no > connection.... --Justin > > 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods > > I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have > any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 6 15:04:07 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:04:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <2661B693E3344334A52D5D97A8696FB0@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000001ca76c0$08af8740$6401a8c0@blake1> Not as many as Bob but I've got some paper weights too. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:34 AM To: Justin Wagner; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist If any FOT are looking for TR3/4 con rods contact me. I have many, too many. I don't think I am alone in this:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist >4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no > connection.... --Justin > > 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods > > I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have > any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Dec 6 18:11:25 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shelby Daytona Coupe Message-ID: <20091207011143.E571D18765C@autox.team.net> Not Triumph but cool auto stuff. The Discovery Channel is running a special about the Shelby Daytona Coupe starting tonight. Check listings if interested. I'm sure there will be some rebroadcast. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 92532 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sun Dec 6 18:45:59 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:45:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Bruce! Are you kidding? Get in? Do you have any idea who you are dealing with here? See you this weekend, Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: ofbracing >Sent: Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM >To: stutzmans at comcast.net, FOT >Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series > >Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us in >the Ghetto. Don > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] >Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM >To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > >We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and >Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend to >pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. >Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? >Bruce Stutzman >WPTA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ofbracing" >To: ; >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > > >> It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. >> >> In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit organizers >> that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. In >> the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given us >> lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure there >> are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. >> >> This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming >> up >> December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and >> the >> free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday >> night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf n' >> Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are >> invited. Don >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun Dec 6 21:09:00 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series In-Reply-To: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BB90F6B976D48E1BB296A1F5156E773@ComputerPC> Mike, The last time I had a pint with you it was Old Engine Oil. I still have the empty bottle on my work bench. What hotel should be book! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jackson" To: "ofbracing" ; ; "FOT" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series > Bruce! Are you kidding? Get in? Do you have any idea who you are > dealing with here? > > See you this weekend, > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- >>From: ofbracing >>Sent: Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM >>To: stutzmans at comcast.net, FOT >>Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series >> >>Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us >>in >>the Ghetto. Don >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] >>Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM >>To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series >> >>We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and >>Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend >>to >>pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. >>Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? >>Bruce Stutzman >>WPTA >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "ofbracing" >>To: ; >>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series >> >> >>> It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. >>> >>> In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit >>> organizers >>> that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. >>> In >>> the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given >>> us >>> lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure >>> there >>> are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. >>> >>> This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming >>> up >>> December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and >>> the >>> free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday >>> night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf >>> n' >>> Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on >>> are >>> invited. Don >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> >> >>You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Dec 7 09:48:38 2009 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover Message-ID: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> I got a new trailer, and the little-used cover I had for my last trailer doesn't fit. It is a 3 layer polypropylene cover designed to go over a 20' x 8.5' enclosed box trailer, just like a big car cover. Made by Adco, new price about $200, zipper flaps on one side (I think it is designed to go over a travel trailer). One little 1" rip in one corner, one of the zippers is a little stiff but works. Clean and grey in color. Free to the first person that offers to pay shipping - if there's more than one of you, a pledge to donate to FOT will break the tie! Or, build a frame out of scrap and you have an instant garage. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 7 12:43:38 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:43:38 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Dec 7 14:40:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AAE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better leverage the donations? I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:44 PM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 7 15:15:43 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:15:43 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/07/2009 3:41:47 PM Central Standard Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to > better leverage the donations? > > I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. > Hi Scott... That's sure OK with me if you want to be the one to hold the funds and do the forwarding, but I was hoping to avoid any 'busy work" for anyone. Burt told me he plans to do this Jack Drews Memorial whether he gets any FOT funds or not, so there isn't going to really be any leverage involved. Past that it's just people deciding whether they want to participate. I've already sent him my contribution. Bill From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Dec 7 17:55:22 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:55:22 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: Thanks Bill. I have already committed to Burt through one of his "Self Promoting" pleas. Ha ha Burt is a good fellow and certainly has my support. Especially if uncle jack is going to be involved. uncle jack did a lot of work on the 63 TR 4 that I now race. Cheers and I hope to see ALL FoT members and racers at next years' Kastner Cup which is being hosted by Heartland Vintage Racing at Heartland Park Topeka 19-20-21-22 August 2010. You can see more details by visiting _http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/_ (http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/) Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO In a message dated 12/7/2009 2:33:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Thin k Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. You are subscribed as gsfuqua1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as gsfuqua1 at aol.com From bswope959 at msn.com Tue Dec 8 13:41:53 2009 From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover In-Reply-To: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> References: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> Message-ID: I could put the cover to good use, I would be glade to pay shipping and is there any thing Elise I could do for you? Bill swope----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover I got a new trailer, and the little-used cover I had for my last trailer doesn't fit. It is a 3 layer polypropylene cover designed to go over a 20' x 8.5' enclosed box trailer, just like a big car cover. Made by Adco, new price about $200, zipper flaps on one side (I think it is designed to go over a travel trailer). One little 1" rip in one corner, one of the zippers is a little stiff but works. Clean and grey in color. Free to the first person that offers to pay shipping - if there's more than one of you, a pledge to donate to FOT will break the tie! Or, build a frame out of scrap and you have an instant garage. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bswope959 at msn.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as bswope959 at msn.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Dec 8 16:31:35 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Does anyone know - Can we just send a donation through Pay-Pal to Burt's "thinkfast at mindspring.com" email address? If so - should be easy to add a note that it's from an FOT member in honor of Uncle Jack. I'd order one of his license plates, but I happen to drive a 1974 AMC Gremlin... ;-) Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 From: "Barr, Scott" Subject: Re: [Fot] For your consideration... To: , Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better leverage the donations? I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. Scott *********************************** From jacqulynmincheff at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 18:04:29 2009 From: jacqulynmincheff at hotmail.com (JACQULYN MINCHEFF) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:04:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I am trying to fulfill a large Xmas wish list for Kids ages 5-14 from the Community Transitional School for the homeless. I was wondering if anyone has connections with any companies that makes coats, toys, shoes etc....I have included the wish list from all the kids. I know it is short notice but they just sent it to me today. I really appreciate any help you guys could offer. You can learn more about them at www.transitionalschool.org Thanks! Jacqulyn Mincheff _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf] From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 8 19:39:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:39:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list References: Message-ID: <902222E111EB4A16AD136519369865E3@Bud> Hi..Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACQULYN MINCHEFF" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list > Hi Everyone, > > I am trying to fulfill a large Xmas wish list for Kids ages 5-14 from the > Community Transitional School for the homeless. I was wondering if anyone > has > connections with any companies that makes coats, toys, shoes etc....I have > included the wish list from all the kids. I know it is short notice but > they > just sent it to me today. I really appreciate any help you guys could > offer. > You can learn more about them at www.transitionalschool.org Thanks! > > Jacqulyn Mincheff > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 > &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U > S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf] > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 8 20:10:57 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Scott Message-ID: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> Sad News...Bill Scott, owner of Summit Point Motorsports Park passed away yesterday morning. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 8 23:29:49 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:29:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR4 Message-ID: <4B1F43DD.30802@microworks.net> Really nice shot of Bob Tullius in the Group 44 TR4 in the West Palm Beach 1967 Gallery. Just an incredible archive of images! Each page brings another treasure From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 06:47:49 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:47:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Scott In-Reply-To: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> References: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What a great place, and I used to see him a few years ago riding around the paddock on his Porsche (?)tractor. I hope it continues in it's present form and doesn't get converted to a country club. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:10 PM, "CHIP COLLINGWOOD" wrote: > Sad News...Bill Scott, owner of Summit Point Motorsports Park passed > away yesterday morning. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 09:11:55 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:11:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series is on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an opportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this in one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill says, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be interested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a group? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a larger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of Old Blue and/or Jack? If you're interested in contributing to a joint effort, please let me know and I'll coordinate it. Burt is calling me this morning to discuss costs and logistics. Scott B. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 9 09:57:24 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC4707D0AA2C11-906C-23AAA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Alexander Racing #197 & #97 is in for something -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of ld Blue and/or Jack? If you're interested in contributing to a joint effort, please let me now and I'll coordinate it. Burt is calling me this morning to discuss osts and logistics. Scott B. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Dec 9 10:04:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race, AutoX and Field Event Photos Message-ID: <4B1FD886.2000703@microworks.net> The FOT Listserv blocked the original email which I referenced in the email about the Group 44 TR4. I'll try again --------------------- Jim Bauder obtain permission from Al Clemens for me to create a Gallery on the DCTRA site for an incredible archive of over 1,200 Vintage Racing, AutoX and Field event photos from the early through mid 60's. Check out the close up candid photos captioned as Phil Hill (although it looks like Sterling Moss to me) and Innes Ireland at Sebring 1963. Plus the upside down MGA in a canal in Palm Beach with Scuba Divers pulling the car out of the water. Straight out of the Sly Stallone stinker "Driven" Cool Go-Kart photos in the Lakeland Autocross gallery Most of the photos are B&W with a few color shots. http://www.dctra.org/?p=689 From billdentin at aol.com Wed Dec 9 11:18:23 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. Bill Dentinger From billb at bnj.com Wed Dec 9 11:42:24 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:42:24 -1000 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration In-Reply-To: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <72477E3F-C37D-4F11-9CC1-3C5E4176F1A0@bnj.com> How cool is that, a Gremster. Do hot swedish babes correspond with you? On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Does anyone know - Can we just send a donation through Pay-Pal to Burt's > "thinkfast at mindspring.com" email address? If so - should be easy to add a > note that it's from an FOT member in honor of Uncle Jack. > > I'd order one of his license plates, but I happen to drive a 1974 AMC > Gremlin... ;-) > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 > From: "Barr, Scott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] For your consideration... > To: , > > Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better > leverage the donations? > > I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. > > Scott > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Dec 9 12:01:58 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:01:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> I'll kick in. Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:18 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series > s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an > pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this > n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill > ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> > Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do > not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a > 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. > <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be > nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a > roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a > arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of > ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> > A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a > wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Dec 9 12:34:49 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kit Car Message-ID: Anyone interested in a kit car? http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/cto/1501592481.html John From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 13:27:33 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:27:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? >> I'm working on that with Burt. I'll be the collection point, if that's necessary (routing checks to Joe to run through the FOT account). Hopefully, there's a simpler way to do it. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:02 PM To: billdentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book I'll kick in. Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:18 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series > s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an > pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this > n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill > ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> > Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do > not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a > 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. > <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be > nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a > roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a > arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of > ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> > A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a > wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 13:32:25 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:32:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. >> [NOT dedicated to Jack, then] Whoops, my bad. Sorry. From: billdentin at aol.com [mailto:billdentin at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:18 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series is on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an opportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this in one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill says, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be interested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a group? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a larger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of Old Blue and/or Jack? >>> A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. Bill Dentinger From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 9 15:07:12 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <189216.35500.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott - count me in - let me know where and when to send a check. Dennis << Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? >> I'm working on that with Burt. I'll be the collection point, if that's necessary (routing checks to Joe to run through the FOT account). Hopefully, there's a simpler way to do it. Scott From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 9 15:39:47 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kit Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B202733.6090408@bradakis.com> Gosh, just what I need right now, another major project! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 9 19:03:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:03:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle Message-ID: <4B2056D5.3040900@bradakis.com> http://wasatchfoodies.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37 mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 19:44:35 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:44:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle References: <4B2056D5.3040900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <31E05E17B3F74875BF73AA174BD3CF74@Bud> Wonderful...thanks Mark!...It could happen to anyone!...Great Christmas Decoration! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle > http://wasatchfoodies.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37 > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Wed Dec 9 23:28:56 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:28:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR6 here in town for sale Message-ID: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> NFI and do not know the owner. Some local TR Members could go look at it for you if interested. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/1502723546.html From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 10 00:35:06 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR6 here in town for sale In-Reply-To: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> References: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> Message-ID: <4B20A4AA.9090804@bradakis.com> Looks nice. Wish I had some money. I could do without the red piping, though. I wonder who the man in Utah might be? mjb. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Dec 10 17:54:00 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Racer for sale Message-ID: Hello all, Prepped and truly turn-key TR4A Vintage Racer seriously for sale. After a few casual months on various race-car sales sites at a much higher price, it's time to get serious about getting it gone. 1965 TR4A SOLID AXLE with O.D. Word of mouth history has it as a SCCA car with a "Group 44 Prepped" connection up thru the early 70's. Resurrected in the 90's with each additional owner adding thousands of dollars but very limited use. And so it goes... Ready to go, limited use in the last year and looking for someone who will. $15,500 OBO/Interesting trade. Large spares package available. Can ship world-wide. Pictures and full specs on request [off list]. I know the car inside and out and can answer most any question. Not to worry anyone - it's not purple. Please spread the word. Don't make me go to E-Bay! PFI [purely financial interest] Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From dave at microworks.net Thu Dec 10 22:21:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Any one notice this car Message-ID: <4B21D6C2.60108@microworks.net> In the archive of Vintage photos that I posted the other day was a unique Corvette shown in the archive titled "courtland-al-race-6209" http://www.dctra.org/?p=689 It looks like a 62 Vette with the exception of the heavily modified nose and the glass bubble top canopy http://www.dctra.org/wp-content/gallery/VintageRacing/Races/Courtland%20AL%20Race%206209/Court%206209%2073.jpg It interested me so I Googled "corvette bubble top" and found a flyer showing the car is the 1960 Show Car. http://www.illustratedcorvetteseries.com/images/ICS_13_1960_XP-700.jpg Searching for XP-700 led me to this write up about this one-off car http://wikicars.org/en/Corvette_XP-700_concept There are some real treasures in this archive of high quality photos. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 11 13:20:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:20:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B04@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hey all, I've spoken with Burt Levy regarding the FOT's participation in an Uncle Jack memorial ad to be inserted in Burt's latest book in the Buddy Palumbo series, The 200mph Steamroller. Burt was already planning to do a small memorial ad - we can participate in that or we can do our own. I'd be inclined to take Burt up on his invitation to participate in what he's already planning to do - that would give us one larger placement, rather than two smaller ones. I've gotten responses from a few of you at this point - thanks! For the rest of you, if you're interested in participating, please let me know in the next few days. Scott From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 11 16:37:38 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:37:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B04@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> For those of you interested in making contributions, you can send checks to my work address: Scott Barr 2401 East Enterprise Avenue Appleton WI 54913-7887 Thanks! Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 (direct) www.mccarty-law.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message may be confidential or privileged. Only the intended recipient may read, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. The law requires this firm to inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication cannot be used for purposes of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. -----Original Message----- From: John Reed [mailto:John.Reed at wilson.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:59 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Let me know where to send the check. John On 12/11/09 2:20 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > Hey all, > > I've spoken with Burt Levy regarding the FOT's participation in an Uncle > Jack memorial ad to be inserted in Burt's latest book in the Buddy > Palumbo series, The 200mph Steamroller. > > Burt was already planning to do a small memorial ad - we can participate > in that or we can do our own. I'd be inclined to take Burt up on his > invitation to participate in what he's already planning to do - that > would give us one larger placement, rather than two smaller ones. > > I've gotten responses from a few of you at this point - thanks! For > the rest of you, if you're interested in participating, please let me > know in the next few days. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From earthron at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 17:03:50 2009 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Help Needed Message-ID: <377540.20192.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is an email I recived from VARA concernig the proposed new track NE of Los Angeles. --- On Fri, 12/11/09, vara at rrevs.net wrote: > From: vara at rrevs.net > Subject: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Help Needed > To: earthron at yahoo.com > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:42 PM > December 7, 2009 > > Dear Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Supporters, > > Thank you all very much for your continued support of > FBMP. We are nearing the home stretch for L.A. county > approval of the project and hoping we can count on your > support once again. > > As you may recall from my letter in September, we were > very encouraged at the first hearing by the County Planning > Commission's staff recommendation of the project for > approval. We were then scheduled for our second public > hearing on December 2, but it was recently postponed and the > location changed by the county. The new date is this > Saturday February 6 at 11:00 a.m. in the Lancaster Regional > Public Library, 601 W. Lancaster Blvd., Lancaster, Calif. > Please plan to attend the hearing if you can. > > As you may have guessed, opponents asked for a change of > venue that they hope will benefit their cause. As with the > first hearing, interested persons can attend and will have > an opportunity to testify. We had a great turnout of > supporters last September in Los Angeles but with the second > hearing relocated to Lancaster, your support is even more > important. We hope you can join us. > > Many of you have called asking 'what can we do?' > We need more letters of support! > > The county is again accepting letters as part of its > consideration of the project. Opposition groups have > organized their own letter writing campaign and have sent > over 100 letters since the first hearing. If you did not > send a letter of support prior to the first hearing, you > have another chance to be heard. Letters should be > addressed to Mr. Jodie Sackett, Los Angeles County, > Department of Regional Planning, Room 1382, 320 West Temple > St., Los Angeles, CA 90012. Alternatively, you can e-mail > Jodie: jsackett at planning.lacounty.gov > with a copy to us. > > You can also send your support comments directly to Los > Angeles County Fifth District Supervisor Mike Antonovich via > e-mail at: FifthDistrict at lacbos.org. > If you do, please make sure to copy Jodie Sackett. > > If you would like to read about the project in detail > and view updates, all of the official documents (including > the Draft Environmental Impact Report) can be viewed on the > county's Web site: Click > Here > > Also, our own website is nearly complete; it will be the > go-to resource for the most current information about the > project. We will send out an announcement as soon as it is > ready. > > We have been working for seven years toward the dream of > creating the first new dedicated road racing facility in the > L.A. area in over fifty years. We're closer to approval > than ever, but not there yet. If you too want to see > Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park become a reality, please let > your voice be heard! > > Thank you again for your support. > > Respectfully, > > Thomas E. Malloy From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 11 20:19:06 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:19:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sigh Message-ID: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 11 20:24:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer Message-ID: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> FOT Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed trailer. So..... I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my specifications. I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and hobbyists. If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are featured alond with some of my other stuff. I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME COMMERCIAL CONTENT) Joe Alexander From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 21:24:32 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:24:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FA236DDD5D-63A8-8AA8@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Happy Birthday to you Mark, Thanks for all your hard work. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 11 21:31:46 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:31:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated... Joe A 13 candles, eh? seems like just yesterday -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 9:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 21:43:26 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FCC72BAE9E-63A8-8D5C@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Happy Birthday to you Mark, Thanks for all your hard work. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 11 21:44:23 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:44:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Very nice Joe, I've been thinking about something very similar. How much? On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed > trailer. So..... > > I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single > axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my > specifications. > > I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently > unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and > hobbyists. > > If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of > the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are > featured alond with some of my other stuff. > > I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. > I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is > interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. > Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? > > Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME > COMMERCIAL CONTENT) > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 11 22:11:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:11:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B2325E5.3020609@bradakis.com> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > 13 candles, eh? seems like just yesterday Yes indeed, 13 lucky years. I had intended to send off a nice, happy message to note the occasion, but made the mistake of going through some Team.Net admin mail and found the note from Joe's widow about the datsun-roadster list. So it goes. I've got some Asleep at the Wheel playing, they always cheer me up. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Dec 12 09:58:00 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68C3DDC86A4F433192EDCDB107A3C173@KasPC> If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car company watch this. Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/liverpool/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8 401000/8401200.stm From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 15:35:43 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Where is this site to view trailers? Help, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer Very nice Joe, I've been thinking about something very similar. How much? On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed > trailer. So..... > > I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single > axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my > specifications. > > I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently > unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and > hobbyists. > > If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of > the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are > featured alond with some of my other stuff. > > I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. > I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is > interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. > Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? > > Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME > COMMERCIAL CONTENT) > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 12 15:39:06 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:39:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: <68C3DDC86A4F433192EDCDB107A3C173@KasPC> Message-ID: <92.13.01458.A8B142B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car > company watch this. Interesting stuff, thanks Kas. For those who had trouble with the link, this might work better: http://tinyurl.com/ygxana6 I particularly liked the comment about how the workers hate the managers because they used to hire workers who would work for less money. Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sat Dec 12 17:03:26 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:03:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > Where is this site to view trailers? > > Go to http://photobucket.com/ambro and there are some pics on page 2. mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Dec 12 17:27:13 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:27:13 EST Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke Message-ID: I have a fascinating book called "The Pride And The Fall" by Correlli Barnett. Subtitled "the dreams and illusion of Britain as a great nation". In it he breaks down the major industries and where they failed. The single thing I remember most were the shipbuilders during World War Two. Whilst America was building Victory ships at one a day to send over ...They were on STRIKE !!!!!!!! Why? They wanted extra pay for training the newbies in the yards. We never freakin learn and humans never change. In a message dated 12/12/2009 3:24:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car > company watch this. Interesting stuff, thanks Kas. For those who had trouble with the link, this might work better: http://tinyurl.com/ygxana6 I particularly liked the comment about how the workers hate the managers because they used to hire workers who would work for less money. Randall You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Dec 12 18:24:03 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com><8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC49AA174AA11F-6380-31A25@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I did more snow blowing today so I can position the trailer for loading my TR3A tomorrow. Then I should have more pictures. I am also working on a new design for securing the car to the trailer. I hate messing with straps and hooks. Fast and safe, if it works. It would be universal to most all trailers... Later.... -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > Where is this site to view trailers? > > Go to http://photobucket.com/ambro and there are some pics on page 2. mjb. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Dec 12 19:41:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:41:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71551985-14EE-4C00-8886-A5CDD404CCAA@comcast.net> all true, and I am sure worker issues contributed tremendously, but I have to side with the worker who blamed the product. In 1970 through 1973, Datsun sold 116,000 240Zs. By 1980, Datsun had sold over 500,000 Zs. Compare a 139 HP 260Z (6 cyl ) in 1975 to a 100 HP Triumph. Triumph sold 112,000 TR7s from 1975 through 1981. By the time Triumph introduced this car, Datsun had been at it with a better car for five years. I believe if there had been a better mousetrap, Triumph could have sold more, in spite of the quality issues. They tried to imitate rather than innovate. BTW, there's a great website called www.conceptcarz.com that has info on seemingly every car ever made. From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Dec 13 20:41:37 2009 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1C.37.29161.7F3B52B4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> At 10:19 PM 12/11/2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the >very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this >list what it has become. > >Happy Birthday to us. Wow, that's a shocker. I had no idea that it had been that long since Joe and I sat in the motorhome at Mid-Ohio and talked about all this. It is amazing what it has become! Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Dec 14 09:29:10 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] '65 Targa, no TR content Message-ID: <20091214.092911.3912.11.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Got 40 minutes? Old footage is great http://jalopnik.com/5146783/say-goodbye-to-workplace-productivity-the-196 5-targa-florio-endurance-race Bill ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=wfJyFRNFFBzgDrO9eae7fQAAJ1CU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 09:44:32 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:44:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Slight interupption Message-ID: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 10:43:51 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Hi Mark, I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually connected during operation? Any thoughts? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 11:21:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM To: 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup Hi Mark, I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually connected during operation? Any thoughts? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Dec 14 11:46:52 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> For a mear 5 thousand dollars you can buy a Generac home standby system that will start on it's own. No need to climb out of the sack in the middle of the night. On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered > generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes > over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM > To: 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup > > Hi Mark, > > I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a > gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. > > Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. > > Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually > connected during operation? > > Any thoughts? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > -----Original Message----- > > We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours > overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for > THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. > > Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. > > mjb. > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Dec 14 11:49:24 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> If it was me, I'd use that generator to run my fridge and heat, and let Team.net shut down for a few hours. Got to keep the beer cold and the body warm and the garage from freezing. Our cars were built before the internet and most of us were too, and I do not want Mark waking up because I feel the need to send emails in the middle of the night. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 11:55:11 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <4B268A0F.9070007@bradakis.com> > Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > In truth, if I had not mentioned the 7 - 8 hours the servers were down, would any of you have actually noticed? Management would have to give me a pretty hefty raise to get me out of bed in the middle of the night to keep FOT mail from being delayed a few hours ;-) Of course, I usually go to bed in the middle of the night, in the 3 - 4 am range. Old habits die hard. Actually I can afford a better UPS, just not the $1100 power cords I should buy! [ This from a thread on the shop talk list. Interesting link, Chris ] mjb. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Thu Dec 17 12:06:23 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor Message-ID: Hello every one I am hoping some one can help with a circuit that I would like to make. I picked up a junk yard throttle body sensor and it attaches nicely to the Webber throttle shaft Currently it drives a cheapo 0 to 15 volt meter and is placed so the video camera can show real time throttle position but the sun light washes out the dial and its useless. a sequential LED display with 5 or 6 lights would work well for the camera BUT I have no clue on how to build it thanks rob From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 14 12:11:13 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:11:13 EST Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/2009 12:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered > generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes > over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of > alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the > hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > A few years back, here in Brookfield, Wisconsin we went through a period where our power was going out what seemed like constantly. I started keeping my racing paddock generator in the garage to supply power to a couple of critical outlets (refrigerator, etc.). I didn't, but several neighbors had so-called 'back-feed' outlets installed in their garage, which allowed them to feed power from their generators. It worked really slick, and I thought hard about doing it as well, but did not. It worked out OK for me, as the problem ceased. It has not happened (for more than a minute or two) any time since. Not a problem since. I guess it's the old, "Buy and umbrella and it won't rain." Rule. Actually, I think American Transmission (the big local power provider company) completed a new substation, which brought more power to the community. Bill Dentinger From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 12:34:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:34:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com><007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> Message-ID: <59B5E761058A40889B96719CA545E6B3@jdnet.deere.com> > I do not want Mark waking up because I > feel the need to send emails in the middle of the night. Amen! -- Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 12:58:26 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:58:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <203C6A07C64C453886867B8F2CCCBD42@jdnet.deere.com> Rob, The National LM3914 (or equivalent) looks like a good start, as it will work directly from 12v and directly drive up to 10 discrete LEDs (or an LED bar graph). I've attached a circuit for a cheapo O2 meter (basically a bar graph using a 0-1.25v input). For your 0-15v circuit, you would probably want to use a precision divider on the input, say 2:1 to get 0-7.5v; and then put a divider on the LM3914's voltage reference to bring it up to 7.5v. The complete data sheet at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM3914.pdf Shows how to adjust the reference voltage (page 8). There are also some good notes in there about how to keep the LED current from messing up your measurement (due to voltage drop on the ground side). A quick Google shows the LM3914 available for as little as $1.50 http://tinyurl.com/yd9bwtj Lots of LED displays available, of course. Here's one at Digi-Key that looks suitable, for $1.05. http://tinyurl.com/y8ucvww All this assumes you want to "roll yer own"; no doubt there are commercial solutions available as well. -- Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of lm3914 O2 meter.gif] From bownes at seiri.com Mon Dec 14 13:00:31 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:00:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google LED bargraph voltmeter. Or just hook it up to a digital voltmeter. :) On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > Hello every one I am hoping some one can help with a circuit that I > would > like to make. > I picked up a junk yard throttle body sensor and it attaches nicely to the > Webber throttle shaft Currently it drives a cheapo 0 to 15 volt meter > and > is placed so the video camera can show real time throttle position but the > sun light washes out the dial and its useless. > a sequential LED display with 5 or 6 lights would work well for the > camera > BUT I have no clue on how to build it thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 13:15:51 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:15:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <3A0527E2B15547359C5E2D4A57FB7DF9@jdnet.deere.com> > I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car > batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 > VA) to extend the time. There are definitely UPS units available that are designed for use with external batteries. We had one at a former job that would keep the PC-based phone system up for 8 hours, totally unattended; and as I recall it could have more batteries for up to 24 hours runtime. Even had a feature to call for help (assuming the external phone lines still worked) when the battery voltage started to drop. But it looks to me like you could open up any cheap UPS and wire it to wet lead-acid cells instead of gel cells. Might have to adjust the charger a bit to keep them charged, but fundamentally it should work. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 13:32:23 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> Message-ID: The operative word here is "Mere". (And for once I can point out a spelling error of someone else! :) JOe -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr at charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:47 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup For a mear 5 thousand dollars you can buy a Generac home standby system that will start on it's own. No need to climb out of the sack in the middle of the night. On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Joe Curry wrote: From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 13:35:00 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 Message-ID: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. Thanks Mike Mehl From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 13:36:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is pretty much what I was doing when I lived up in WA. We were out in the boonies and were the last ones on the grid to get power back when the Northwest's famous winds would blow down the trees and power lines. It took only one episode of losing everything in the freezer to convince me that a generator was a small investment that was well spent. Joe C. _____ From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:11 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; cwnfot at gmail.com; mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup A few years back, here in Brookfield, Wisconsin we went through a period where our power was going out what seemed like constantly. I started keeping my racing paddock generator in the garage to supply power to a couple of critical outlets (refrigerator, etc.). I didn't, but several neighbors had so-called 'back-feed' outlets installed in their garage, which allowed them to feed power from their generators. It worked really slick, and I thought hard about doing it as well, but did not. It worked out OK for me, as the problem ceased. It has not happened (for more than a minute or two) any time since. Not a problem since. I guess it's the old, "Buy and umbrella and it won't rain." Rule. Actually, I think American Transmission (the big local power provider company) completed a new substation, which brought more power to the community. Bill Dentinger From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 14:05:22 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B26A892.8030400@bradakis.com> Oddly enough I just got back from a job interview. First one in four years. I'm out of practice. but I think it went okay. The company, Ceramatec, is mostly an R & D type place and the group with whom I interviewed is mostly focused on sodium and lithium batteries. They could relate to the power outage and UPS story from this morning. mjb. From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Dec 14 15:18:38 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Message-ID: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Dec 14 16:45:15 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 14 18:14:21 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:14:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: <3F460C1E4874455C840A31925EA46A7D@Bud> Great job Jack!.... Racer Bud...San Francisco Bay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Jeff Snook" ; Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great > stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeff Snook" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > > >> Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our >> member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. >> >> >> >> Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! >> >> >> >> http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html >> >> >> >> If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. >> >> >> >> Jeff Snook >> >> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 14 18:26:23 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> like playing chess with one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet? congratulations, Jack! -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mpendy at dishmail.net Mon Dec 14 19:37:40 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:37:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com><007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com><095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> <4B26A892.8030400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3400DB609B6349228B80CB378CF42224@Pendys> FoTer's; Now your skateing on my ice, one very important thing to remember in regards to a generator is wheather or not it has a voltage regulator. The voltage regulator ( as most already know) keeps the voltage stable no matter the RPM of the engine, the more load you put on it the slower it turns thus the voltage and frequency drop, this situation will kill any sensitive equip.ie; televisions, COMPUTERS, microwaves etc: Ever wonder why a honda / yamaha genset costs three times as much as a comparable wattage genset you will find at a lumberyard or similar place ? A fellow in town bought a lesser quality unit last year and planted it in the middle outside of his home and two rentals, well he got to buy and or replace three of the above mentioned at EACH home......Side note....a typical FULLY automatic 12kw to 17kw system on an average installation will run you between 4800.00 and 6800.00 complete, labor and materials...how do i know? Mark Pendy #65 tr4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup > Oddly enough I just got back from a job interview. First one > in four years. I'm out of practice. but I think it went okay. > > The company, Ceramatec, is mostly an R & D type place and > the group with whom I interviewed is mostly focused on > sodium and lithium batteries. They could relate to the power > outage and UPS story from this morning. > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 19:53:03 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (mike.mehl at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <25759837.100979.1260845583259.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more
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References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <20091215034512.6E8C6187869@autox.team.net> Here's how to do this: http://revision3.com/systm/hackedups 24 minute episode - Tony Drews At 11:43 AM 12/14/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Hi Mark, > >I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a >gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. > >Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. > >Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually >connected during operation? > >Any thoughts? > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." > > >-----Original Message----- > >We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours >overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for >THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. > >Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. > >mjb. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Dec 15 01:40:02 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:40:02 EST Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer Message-ID: I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. I believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. I would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new set of Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction so I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or sacrifice my dog? Thanks & Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Dec 15 05:58:32 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 In-Reply-To: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B2787F8.2010807@blacksburg.net> On 12/14/2009 3:35 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more > standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. > > Thanks > > Mike > Mehl Mike, I can't help with a source, but the one I bought from Jack Drews was from an MGB. I think he mentioned it was from a 5 main engine. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 15 06:32:06 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer References: Message-ID: <02e601ca7d8a$ffb87d00$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Gary, I looked at some wheels called ROTA, made in the Philippines, for my rain tires. They looked decent; around $500/set. They're on e-bay sometimes. If you call the company in California, they are a little hard to understand, accent and all, but seemed very helpful. The wheels do come in different colors. The company said that if I wanted a set, they would ship one to try, and if I didn't like them or they didn't fit, send it back; cheaper than shipping back 4. Anyone had experience with these wheels or company? No financial interest. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:40 AM Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer > I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels > for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. I > believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not > sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. I > would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have > another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new set of > Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction so > I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or > sacrifice my dog? > > Thanks & Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 06:39:38 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:39:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer References: Message-ID: Gary, I got mine from these guys, I think at 180 a pop in Charcoal. They weigh a little more than Panasports and have a 3.58" backspace. Grinding a little off the corners of the TR6 style upper a-arms may be required (SOP for TR's it seems). http://www.vtoperformance.com/index.html Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 AM Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer > I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels > for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. > I > believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not > sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. > I > would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have > another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new > set of > Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction > so > I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or > sacrifice my dog? > > Thanks & Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 07:42:41 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002301ca7d94$db202830$91607890$@net> Nice job from one rager to another Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:26 PM To: kaskas at cox.net; jsnook at wcnet.org; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle like playing chess with one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet? congratulations, Jack! -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 08:12:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B27A76C.6050503@microworks.net> I think Bill Close (On the list) just got setup with these guys as a dealer. Bob Kramer wrote: > Gary, > > I got mine from these guys, I think at 180 a pop in Charcoal. They > weigh a little more than Panasports and have a 3.58" backspace. > Grinding a little off the corners of the TR6 style upper a-arms may be > required (SOP for TR's it seems). > > http://www.vtoperformance.com/index.html > > Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 15 08:44:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? Don't forget to use ear protection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUsrNIKzFo Cheers Chris From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 15 09:15:23 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! - Tony At 09:44 AM 12/15/2009, MadMarx wrote: >...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? > >Don't forget to use ear protection: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUsrNIKzFo > > >Cheers >Chris From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 10:03:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:03:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 10:25:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> Message-ID: Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 10:54:27 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> Message-ID: <4B27CD53.2050807@microworks.net> She does not have any problem with me racing or even our Son running Shifter karts. She just can't be in the car with a helmet on. If I could take her on track like Ricardo took his wife (sans Helmet) she would probably go. Of course try to find a sanction that would let you go on track at speed without a helmet - even in a non-competition Street session. Scott Janzen wrote: > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Dec 15 10:55:25 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517A85C2604@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> The first time my wife was in my car was the re-enactment event at Watkins Glen where they take you on the original old track, the first thing the guy says is once you get in is you can't get out, we weren't going fast, just trying to keep up with Henry Frye with my wife shouting at me to slow down, "I want to get out"! I had to remind her of what the announcer said...she hasn't been back into the car since ! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:03 PM To: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony You are subscribed as deanesr at uncw.edu http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Dec 15 11:19:55 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two laps. Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps then fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 15 11:51:20 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:51:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> > She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. mjb. PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on the "track" without a helmet. From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Dec 15 12:31:30 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:31:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <938300324866b78a4a951f6f3a2e661a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Heh, I used to do that, too. To me, that's one of the differences between (good) autocrosses and track time. It sounds strange, but there is so much more time on track that I can "relax" but everything happens so fast in an autocross that I would forget to breathe, just like mjb. John On Tue, December 15, 2009 1:51 pm, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > mjb. > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > the "track" without a helmet. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rjl at gt-classics.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Dec 15 12:38:36 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:38:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <65f6.c696f99.38593fbc@aol.com> Many years ago, late 80's, I started chatting to an old woman during an autocross event. She had come across the parking lot with her walker to watch the show. When she commented how much she missed driving and fast cars I offered to take her for a ride in the GT6 during the afternoon fun-runs if she came back. Would you believe she not only came back but strapped in and grinned the entire run without a peep. I was really impressed with her when it was over. Hope I'm still that game when I'm her age. In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:19:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. mjb. PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on the "track" without a helmet. You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:10:50 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:10:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: Took Evelyn's TR8 to the TRA meet this year. Part of it was some track time at Summit Point. As the group of 50 or so cars headed out on track I pulled off to let everybody go ahead so I could fall back and give er heck and have some fun. Some more mature gentleman in a Mazda sport ute of some sort motioned me in front so I could be with the rest of the Triumphs. I pulled over and told him what my intentions were so he did not think I was having car trouble when I slowed down on track. He smiled devilishly and remarked he would try to not run me over. So off we go with me having a blast with a TR8 on skinny street tires with Evelyn screaming for me to slow down (I wasn't going all that fast) all the while this older gentleman is right on my bumper. Later in the day we get back to the host hotel and that guy came up to me in the parking lot and said "hey that was fun wasn't it". Turns out it was Robert Johns, one of the factory drivers in the day. I did not find out who it was until after the event. How cool was that! Marty _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:18:51 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (victory Lane photos) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:18:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> References: , <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: `Reminds me of my very first autocross in my TR4 once it was back on the road. When I pulled up into the stall after my first run, I thought I was having a heart attack... I had just forgotten to breathe for about 2 minutes! Funny thing that oxygen stuff... guess we sort of need it (heh). Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: walt at hot-tr6.com > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because > she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two laps. > Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps then > fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. > Walt Hollowell > Abq., NM > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just > putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely > made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. > > This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick > is good too. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A > > Tony Drews wrote: > > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > > > - Tony > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 15 13:40:26 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:40:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The whole not breathing thing works great on the autocross track...Just don't try it on the race track! I usually end up talking my way through the course. It helps me to remember to breathe regularly. And it sounds good on the video. :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM, victory Lane photos wrote: > `Reminds me of my very first autocross in my TR4 once it was back on the > road. > When I pulled up into the stall after my first run, I thought I was having > a > heart attack... I had just forgotten to breathe for about 2 minutes! > > Funny thing that oxygen stuff... guess we sort of need it (heh). > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > > > From: walt at hot-tr6.com > > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > > > I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because > > she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two > laps. > > Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps > then > > fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. > > Walt Hollowell > > Abq., NM > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM > > Cc: Fot > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > > > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > > My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick > just > > putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. > Barely > > made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. > > > > This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting > sick > > is good too. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A > > > > Tony Drews wrote: > > > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > > > > > - Tony > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Dec 15 14:33:07 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:33:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B49@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I usually end up talking my way through the course... it sounds good on the video.>> I do that, too, but some of what I'm saying isn't something I'd like people to hear on the video... I somewhere acquired the habit of taking a slow, deep breath IN at all the points of a track which are in any way scary - where you're sort of hanging out there for a second, wondering whether (a) the car is going to stick and turn or (b) you're going to visit the woods. Dunno where that came from, but it seems to help. Scott From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 15:49:39 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:49:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu Gran Prix course. I realized that I was forgetting to breath but found it hard to correct. Didn't seem to improve the lap times one way or the other. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert bownes" > To: "victory Lane photos" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > >> The whole not breathing thing works great on the autocross track...Just >> don't try it on the race track! >> >> I usually end up talking my way through the course. It helps me to >> remember >> to breathe regularly. And it sounds good on the video. :) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 15 16:41:57 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: > We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu > Gran Prix course. That sounds like a hoot! How on earth did you talk them into allowing a TR on the track? -- Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 16:48:32 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:48:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <853667EC602C4C87982260E7E690E66A@latitudefb1e41> That would have been something............ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... >> We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu >> Gran Prix course. > > That sounds like a hoot! How on earth did you talk them into allowing a > TR > on the track? > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 19:27:56 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tracktime at Bluegrass Motorsports Park In-Reply-To: <366850.11918.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <366850.11918.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case your interested. Marty For those of you that do NOT visit the 6-PACK Website regularly, I've an announcement: The TRistate TRiumphs would like to invite you to visit the 2010 6-PACK TRials website: http://triumphtrials.jimdo.com/ We've been hammering details of various things such as Welcome BBQ and the TRack (Bluegrass Motorsports Park) Q&As. Of course we can't forget the SHOW on and Banquet on Saturday! We're also offering embroidered shirts, hats, and fleece jackets. So, when you get a chance, please visit the site & let us know what you think. Sign up if you like! We know we have a few things to fix, but we welcome feedback. There are a limited amount of slots at the TRack so if you want to drive fast without the risk of getting a ticket, please sign up soon. If you'd like to sponsor the TRack event, please write me off list Also, would someone please pass this on to the FOT list as I'm not a member Cheers, Todd Bermudez 2010 6-PACK TRials Committee _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Dec 15 19:54:29 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 In-Reply-To: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801ca7dfb$16e79720$44b6c560$@com> I believe Ken Gilanders at British Frame and Engine has a "kit" with the narrow pulleys for the water pump and harmonic balancer. I'd recommend the Moss water pump with the 1/2 inch shaft (with 1.25 mm pitch!!) thread rather than the 5/16 threaded end. The 5/16 threaded end is known to break off, at least ours did. BTW, the Denso alternator as used on older RX-7's is a "compact" alternator that can be run as a single wire and seems to work well. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:35 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. Thanks Mike Mehl You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 15 19:56:16 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tis the season Message-ID: <4B284C50.7080009@bradakis.com> For those of you who enjoy Christmas tunes: http://bradakis.com/merryxmas.swf mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Dec 15 19:57:12 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:57:12 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> I do the same thing surfing. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't hold my breath longer when I'm getting worked, I'd be out of air in no time, even though I can hold my breath for almost two minutes. Turns out I hold my breath from the time time I get into a wave until I turn out--got to work on that. Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a couple of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > mjb. > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > the "track" without a helmet. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 15 21:06:50 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> Message-ID: I knew there was a reason I raced a formula car...Which meant I had to send her to driver's school instead of going for a ride.:) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I do the same thing surfing. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't hold my > breath longer when I'm getting worked, I'd be out of air in no time, even > though I can hold my breath for almost two minutes. Turns out I hold my > breath > from the time time I get into a wave until I turn out--got to work on that. > > Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a > couple > of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were > the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the > roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of > yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let > out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > > > mjb. > > > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > > the "track" without a helmet. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From britbits at netzero.com Tue Dec 15 21:25:34 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:25:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net><4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000801ca7e07$d0913ad0$0513193f@jrg> Hmmm... I had one girlfriend tell me after a spirited autocross run that she finally a) understood and b) trusted my street driving style. And my wife is used to more chaotic traffic driving than I am, so I suspect that an on track session wouldn't phase her. Except if I denied her a chance to drive. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:57 PM To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a couple of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xTzI0TDGhstvlKiUMQz3jQAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 16 02:22:53 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> I have taken several people over the Nordschleife in my Triumph and all of them got out a little pale. One said voiceless - : You are nuts. Cheers Chris From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 16 04:35:04 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> Message-ID: <775507.10178.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I took another corner work for a ride once at Waterford Hills, Michigan. He climbed in, fastened the seat belt and told me I could go as fast as I wanted. I had a whole lap of open track. He held on for dear life and couldn't get out of the car as fast as he wanted to. I think there are still finger impressions on the crash pad. I took my wife for a ride there a few years ago. She didn't mind too much, but we didn't have that much clear track. When I used to autocross, I'd find myself shaking at the end of a good run. The adrenalin was really pumping. Took me a while to figure out what was causing it. Doug ________________________________ From: MadMarx To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 4:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... I have taken several people over the Nordschleife in my Triumph and all of them got out a little pale. One said voiceless - : You are nuts. Cheers Chris You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Dec 16 09:18:47 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:18:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the need of a left hand & Right hand Steering racks from a spitfire. Thank you Tony Garmey 425 413 0785 206 612 1782 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Dec 16 09:23:34 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:23:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack References: Message-ID: <32D6081E0F894DEB955E8F74554E001F@Charly> Tony. I might have the LHD steering rack. I look later Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack > Hi All, > > I'm in the need of a left hand & Right hand Steering racks from a > spitfire. > > > > Thank you > > > > Tony Garmey > > 425 413 0785 > > 206 612 1782 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Dec 16 09:28:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:28:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: Amici... Boy! All this talk about holding your breath to improve performance...I'm going to have to get some mouth wash. Bill (Damdinger) From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 09:34:38 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue Message-ID: The GT6 had a low frequency vibration at Summit Point over Thanksgiving, but only flat out on the main straight (above 110 mph/ 6000 rpm +). It did not feel like it was isolated to any one corner, though I could be wrong about that. No issues up to 7000 rpm in other gears. Could this be the driveshaft, or just a mild tire out of balance that is only evident at high speed? From triosan at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:08:32 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:08:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Talk about trouble breathing.... Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912160908nc80a361xfa8bb10ba4c54220@mail.gmail.com> Well I practice not breathing a couple of weeks ago--involuntary. Threw a massive Deep Vein Thrombosis [blood clot in leg] into my lungs. Passed out on my feet. 911 by wife, EMT, emergency ride, ICU for three days. Had an appointment with pulmonary doc yesterday. We reviewed the CAT scan from the incident. 100% occlusion of right pulmonary artery, 90% of left. Another 5% and I would not be here to right this. Am fine now, except have to take rat poison [coumadin] for the next year to keep the blood thin. Anybody out there race in this condition? -- I sure intend to. Do not recommend this as a breathing test!!! Chuck On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:28 AM, wrote: > Amici... > > Boy! All this talk about holding your breath to improve performance...I'm > going to have to get some mouth wash. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Dec 16 10:34:33 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As it doesn't seem coupled to RPM alone I'd have a real careful look at the driveline. Are you running metalastic joints on the axles? Terry Stetler From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 11:50:31 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F5896D2-ECF9-45C4-B00E-C9384A4FC085@comcast.net> the axles are sliding halfshafts with Spicer u-joints, which have only seen a season's worth of use. I'll report back on what I find. On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: As it doesn't seem coupled to RPM alone I'd have a real careful look at the driveline. Are you running metalastic joints on the axles? Terry Stetler Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 16 13:40:16 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Have you ever... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: > ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? No, but I rode as a passenger. I caught a ride in my buddy's Sprite during crew rides at a vintage race at Summit Point years ago. I sat on the fire extinguisher and foolishly tried to video the ride for posterity. There was no windshield on my side and the wind going down the straight was so strong that I couldn't hold the camera steady. I shot sky, trees, and floorboards, but little track. I gave up and put the camera down. That allowed me to hold on for dear life with two hands anyway. Then he overcooked Wagon Bend and we went off to the outside. Luckily, we got back on the track without help. I broke the fire extinguisher mount. I also cracked the viewfinder on the camera. Man, was it fun! From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 14:22:15 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:22:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Have you ever... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: I still remember one of those lunchtime rides at Summit in a Porsche 911 variant - $20 for charity. At least the Porsche had a seat and a windshield. For the first time I realized that in racing you were either hard on the gas or hard on the brakes, but not much in between. I signed up for 3 day formula dodge driver's school with Skip Barber shortly after that (worked for a company in some good years in the '90s where driver's "school" was considered an educational event and they paid for most of it). What a hoot! I've been hooked ever since. On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:40 PM, John Herrera wrote: > ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? No, but I rode as a passenger. I caught a ride in my buddy's Sprite during crew rides at a vintage race at Summit Point years ago. I sat on the fire extinguisher and foolishly tried to video the ride for posterity. There was no windshield on my side and the wind going down the straight was so strong that I couldn't hold the camera steady. I shot sky, trees, and floorboards, but little track. I gave up and put the camera down. That allowed me to hold on for dear life with two hands anyway. Then he overcooked Wagon Bend and we went off to the outside. Luckily, we got back on the track without help. I broke the fire extinguisher mount. I also cracked the viewfinder on the camera. Man, was it fun! Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Dec 16 14:31:29 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Message-ID: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Speakers On This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! unbelievable !!!!!! http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Dec 16 19:47:00 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:47:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue References: Message-ID: Scott, tire balanceing machines only spin to 60mph what i am told , Mark Pendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue > The GT6 had a low frequency vibration at Summit Point over > Thanksgiving, but only flat out on the main straight (above 110 mph/ > 6000 rpm +). It did not feel like it was isolated to any one corner, > though I could be wrong about that. No issues up to 7000 rpm in other > gears. Could this be the driveshaft, or just a mild tire out of > balance that is only evident at high speed? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 16 22:44:14 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Holy crap! That's gotta be a hoot! I mean, what could go wrong? :) - Tony Drews At 03:31 PM 12/16/2009, Paul MacDonald wrote: >Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > > > > >Speakers On > > > >This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. > > > >He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! > > >unbelievable !!!!!! > >http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent >e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig >its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co >te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> >&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over >&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp >layclick=link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Dec 16 22:57:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:57:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <80AA911C891A433580EFB5C0F2268BFB@joepentiumnew> Can you imagine the double takes that the people in the passing cars and bikes had when they saw something that low hurtling at them at such speeds! Surely this guy has some sort of death wish. I wonder if he has Life Insurance, and if so, whether his insurance company knows what he does for fun! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: Tr8 List; Fot Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Speakers On This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! unbelievable !!!!!! http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Wed Dec 16 23:04:59 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Two words... Snow plow...:) On 12/17/09, Tony Drews wrote: > Holy crap! That's gotta be a hoot! I mean, what could go wrong? :) > > - Tony Drews > > At 03:31 PM 12/16/2009, Paul MacDonald wrote: >>Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! >> >> >> >> >>Speakers On >> >> >> >>This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. >> >> >> >>He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! >> >> >>unbelievable !!!!!! >> >>http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent >>e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >>>te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig >>its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co >>te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> >>&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over >>&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp >>layclick=link >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Dec 17 06:09:15 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> Sorry about the messed up link. If you copy and paste this, it should work. Paul http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descen te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 17 07:11:52 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:11:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] selling off NOS for rusty parts project Message-ID: <000001ca7f22$e1b43620$a51ca260$@rr.com> There is little sanity to the impulses that drive us to these old cars. I have another project looming in the future and wish to dispose of some parts I have had for many years staring at me from a shelf. Spitfire Mk 4/1500 bonnet center section (old TRF # was WKC1653) They haven't seen any of these since 1987. Price on it back then was $500. This is a factory new panel in original primer. GT-6 Mk2 bonnet center section (with louvers). This was TRF pt# 619011 and also 576878. These have been unobtanium since the late seventies. This is a NOS panel in original primer. No damage/no rust. I also have a new un-used MGB steel hood in primer. I am located just outside Ithaca NY. If interested, please e-mail with questions. Russ Moore From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 07:58:10 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related Or google search for: descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Dec 17 08:07:02 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:07:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 Message-ID: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. Andre, any idea who this is? Nice looking car. No $ interest. Bill From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Dec 17 08:48:31 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:48:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75><20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> Message-ID: <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> Check this one out, same guy. Charly Mitchel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHHZxP5g68&feature=player_embedded ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Tony Drews'" ; "'Paul MacDonald'" ; "'Tr8 List'" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related > > Or google search for: > descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Dec 17 09:01:48 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75><20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> Message-ID: <888564eb4b3e08176b104c8ed44f9944.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> There are actually quite a few youtube videos about this guy - do a search for: "Jean Yves Blondeau" He's been doing it for quite a while now, apparently. John On Thu, December 17, 2009 10:48 am, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Check this one out, same guy. > Charly Mitchel > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHHZxP5g68&feature=player_embedded > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clark W. Nicholls" > To: "'Tony Drews'" ; "'Paul MacDonald'" > ; "'Tr8 List'" ; "'Fot'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related >> >> Or google search for: >> descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >> >> Clark >> Clark W. Nicholls >> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rjl at gt-classics.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:11:54 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> 200418107893 Nice. I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. A. 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : > Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. > Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. > Andre, any idea who this is? > Nice looking car. > No $ interest. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 17 09:22:25 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:22:25 EST Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars Message-ID: Anyone familiar with this shop in the Pittsburgh area? Thanks! Joe A From gballantine at cogeco.ca Thu Dec 17 09:38:54 2009 From: gballantine at cogeco.ca (Gord Ballantine) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The car has raced with VARAC in Historic Production for the last several years.Nice piece, well sorted. GB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:12 AM To: WILLIAM TOBIN Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage TR6 200418107893 Nice. I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. A. 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : > Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. > Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. > Andre, any idea who this is? > Nice looking car. > No $ interest. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer You are subscribed as gballantine at cogeco.ca http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:44:03 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:44:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. Wonder what the reserve is. A. 2009/12/17 Gord Ballantine : > The car has raced with VARAC in Historic Production for the last several > years.Nice piece, well sorted. > > GB > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:12 AM > To: WILLIAM TOBIN > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage TR6 > > > 200418107893 > > Nice. > > I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. > > A. > > 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : >> Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. >> Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. >> Andre, any idea who this is? >> Nice looking car. >> No $ interest. >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... > Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gballantine at cogeco.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Dec 17 09:52:30 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 Message-ID: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> Your angle would have to be how much money you'd save cuz it's a prepped car. Just make out you didn't notice her rolling her eyes... In a message dated 12/17/2009 8:49:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. Wonder what the reserve is. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:55:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> References: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170855p8efcc5s2b0a325814fed12c@mail.gmail.com> I used that on her for the FIAT, the Mazda and the GT6 hehehe. A. 2009/12/17 : > Your angle would have to be how much money you'd save cuz it's a prepped > car. Just make out you didn't notice her rolling her eyes... > > In a message dated 12/17/2009 8:49:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > andre at gt6.ca writes: > > Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. > > http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html > > So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. > > Wonder what the reserve is. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 17 10:32:14 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com>, , <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, Christmas is next week. Buy it, put a big bow in it and tell her you bought it for her:). You just will need to test drive it a couple of times a year to make sure it is running correctly. Hmmmm, then again there was that one year I bought my wife a set of race tires for HER to autocross HER car with. I thought it was a great idea. We won't go there:) Marty >> > So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. > > Wonder what the reserve is. > > A. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Thu Dec 17 11:52:14 2009 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:52:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars References: Message-ID: Joe, as a longtime resident and TR guy from the 'burgh. I have never run into this operation. I'll send out a few emails to check it out. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars > Anyone familiar with this shop in the Pittsburgh area? > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Thu Dec 17 13:01:34 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Update In-Reply-To: <8CC4D6883DBE4B3-429C-B85@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4D6883DBE4B3-429C-B85@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <504C5AAA-7B0F-45CA-B53C-638D89220F3C@bnj.com> Mine too, we bought a much smaller house in Hood River, turned Peyote over to Tony Garmey to transport and maintain. We'll be selling the house in Portland, selling Nero (the Airstream trailer), selling the Ferrari, getting rid of a lot of stuff and playing more/maintaining less. No financial pressure to do it all, just want more time to play and I just don't need all that stuff. I'm going to build that TR3 kit I have hanging out, finish peyotifying the Ambro, sell the big truck and buy something that can pull 7K pounds and a small trailer to run event that Tony doesn't have other customers for. Keep me posted on the trailer, it sounds ideal On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > > I plan on turning over my TR4 and the enclosed trailer to my sons to take care of. > > I am going to ride off into the sunset with my AMBRO and a single axle trailer. My life is getting too complicated. > > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jdment at suddenlink.net; hakhutch at roadrunner.com; jerryvv at roadrunner.com; tjwakeman at gmail.com; fal at knology.net; deruiterville at hotmail.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com; trmarty at hotmail.com; sm1ski at dslextreme.com > Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: Trailer Update > > Was this spreadsheet supposed to have prices other than the options? I'm > interested, I'm switching to a simpler rig next year. I'd like to know a price > though, even if it's ballpark. > > I'd also suggest looking at a skid to save the trailer in case of a blowout. > Worthwhile in single axle arrangements. > On Dec 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > trailer List: > > > > With cold and snow I have not done anything more with the 'protoype' > > trailer, but hope to shortly. > > > > I still have not found a comparable trailer with those features and at the > > projected price. If you are aware of someone manufacturing one, I'd like to > > examine what they have. > > > > Attached is a worksheet, if you have not seen it yet. I have no business > > agreement with this manufacturer. At this point. > > > > Price and quality looks very good to me. I'd like to see this Iowa > > Manufacturer build more of these trailers, regardless. I did this kind of > stuff in a > > former life, for John Deere, and enjoy it. > > > > My 15 minutes of fame in the 1980s was proposing the build of truck chassis > > for specialty vehicles, mostly motorhomes....10,000 chassis a year was the > > production rate when it was sold to Oshkosh Truck. It eventually became a > > Freightliner, so the product still lives on. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Dec 18 08:27:57 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Detroit Locker NOS but old!!! Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66E31C@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Membership, Got a friend here in Nashville that has a TR3/4 Detroit Locker for sale. Old but never used and he says it's complete. Call JD @ 1-615-361-3887 Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 10:06:39 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:06:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Any FOTs in Charlotte, NC?? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BA3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I may be looking for some intermediary help with a car transaction in Charlotte (not for me, unfortunately). The deal's wired so far, but some face-to-face might be necessary. Scott From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Dec 18 10:21:30 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Detroit Locker NOS but old! Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66E32B@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> This is sold, went FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got a friend here in Nashville that has a TR3/4 Detroit Locker for sale. Old but never used and he says it's complete. Call JD @ 1-615-361-3887 Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 15:46:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:46:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hello all, OK, some of you have sent checks directly to me (which is fine). Some of you have also asked whether you can contribute via PayPal. For those of you who've said that you're in for something, now's the time to let me know how much and/or how you'd like to make your contribution. Yes, you can contribute via PayPal. Just contact Burt and he'll send you a PayPal invoice. Contact him by e-mail at thinkfast at mindspring.com or you can call him during office hours (US central time) at (708) 383-7203. Again, if you choose, you can send checks to me (Scott Barr, 2401 East Enterprise Ave., Appleton WI 54911-7887) and I'll continue to aggregate them and send one check to Burt. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 (direct) www.mccarty-law.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message may be confidential or privileged. Only the intended recipient may read, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. The law requires this firm to inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication cannot be used for purposes of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 15:48:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:48:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott From billdentin at aol.com Fri Dec 18 17:49:54 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott... I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Dec 18 18:25:47 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> I'll check all the old ads for TR-3s I have. I almost think there was one wit a TR-3 in the snow. If I have it I'll digitize it. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:50 PM To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott... I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. Bill Dentinger You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rjohns at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 18 19:00:47 2009 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fot Digest, Vol 37, Issue 21: Topic # 3 from Marty Sukey Message-ID: <94BA915FA3254F379766EBD23F99C8AE@Bucktailus> Subject: Re: Fot Digest, Vol 37, Issue 21: Topic # 3 from Marty Sukey > > Re:Re: Haave you ever...........(R.Johns) > > Marty Sukey was so gracious in exposing my lingering weakness. > Yes, even though I am old enough to know, and behave better, this old > codger still likes to get on it and the old competitive juices get to > flowing. I thought that I should endorse Marty's comments on how much fun > we were having, unnoticed on the tail end of the line. Someone sent out a > pace car to slow us down, finally, as I suppose they were afraid we might > just hurt "ourselves". Anyway, Marty, you did not have to expose me for > what I am, but thanks for being very gracious and kind in your comments. > My wife and I just roared when we read it. I don't know when I have > laughed so hard. Jean was around "The Nurburgring" with me, so was a > seasoned passenger! > > Bob J From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Dec 18 20:15:21 2009 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:15:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure I have an "in period" one around of my Dad and I pushing his TR3 out of a snow drift. It's b/w as I recall. Let me look further. Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 > on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triumphs at consolidated.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 13:38:00 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Fri Dec 18 20:38:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4B2C4ABA.3010708@twcny.rr.com> One thing you can say is he cuts a nice line - probably wouldn't do to bad on a track with a throttle.. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 20:53:39 2009 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:53:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <642640.22854.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I have one of my '56 TR3 as I found it drifted in the snow on an off base parking lot by Fort Leonard Wood, Mo when I finished basic training there in 1960. It is a black and white. If Burt wants to use it I will go dig it out and have my wife or son scan it and send it. Yes, I had to dig it out to get home. This is the same car I drove to/in my first sports car race and back home with a 3rd place trophy. The venom is still in my viens. Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Barr, Scott wrote: > From: Barr, Scott > Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:48 PM > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of > a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > doing in the center section. Anybody have > a good picture of their TR3 > on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software > specialist. From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 18 21:06:28 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:06:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4B2C5144.4030304@microworks.net> http://www.gbiznet.com/ebay/triumph/59tr3snow.jpg Russ Moore wrote: > I'll check all the old ads for TR-3s I have. I almost think there was one > wit a TR-3 in the snow. If I have it I'll digitize it. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:50 PM > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section > spoof ad > > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 > n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > > > Scott... > > I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. > Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. > It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he > would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was > able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars > and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. > > Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder > made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give > you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. > > Bill Dentinger > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From britbits at netzero.com Fri Dec 18 21:33:14 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Scott, I'd like to help.. Lots of TR3s in Dallas but not enough snow to mention. Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Sm35TErCWWqhLVYf2xJRKwAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From group44tr7 at aol.com Sat Dec 19 08:19:07 2009 From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:19:07 EST Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Message-ID: <45d1.1106bafc.385e48eb@aol.com> Scott Why doesn't Burt run a photo contest amongst FOT members to have the best picture of their car in the snow. The winner gets a autographed copy of his forthcoming book. Cary From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 08:31:16 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> To let you know: Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 with the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for reusing them again. Cheers Chris From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Dec 19 09:03:05 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> Message-ID: <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> Chris - Are you using oil with a high ZDDP level, or do you use an additive which increases the ZDDP for your "flat tappet" engine ? Don Elliott, Montreal ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Lifter update > To let you know: > > Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. > > All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 > with > the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for > reusing them again. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 09:16:07 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> To be honest, I never checked if the oil is special for that purpose. I use Mobil 1 5w50 rally - favorite because I get it a little cheaper or Castrol 10w60 Both do well. I had some trouble and worn cams "before" I started to use flat lifters. When I bought that cam in year 2007 I first ran it with crowned lifters and found that lobe #7 became a little damage. Then I grinded the lifters flat and installed them again bearing in mind that the damaged lobe 7 wouldn't last. BUT there is no change at lobe 7 since then and all other lobes are in perfect condition with the flat lifters and even the lifter on lobe 7 seems to feel very comfort this way. I can provide photos if you like. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don Elliott [mailto:58tr3a at videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 17:03 An: MadMarx; 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update Chris - Are you using oil with a high ZDDP level, or do you use an additive which increases the ZDDP for your "flat tappet" engine ? Don Elliott, Montreal ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Lifter update > To let you know: > > Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. > > All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 > with > the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for > reusing them again. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3246.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3251.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3253.JPG] From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 19 10:14:32 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder Message-ID: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Hey, Good morning all (almost afternoon), I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? Thanks for your time. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 10:29:17 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:29:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001ca80d0$cd560500$68020f00$@com> I use a Panasonic SD cam. The SDR-150 and a 2x wide lens converter to have a wide angle view. I really don't know why modern cams have great zoom capabilities but almost no wide angle. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Chip Collingwood Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 18:15 An: bluebirds; Friends of Triumph; Richmond Triumph Register; Mark Palmer Betreff: [Fot] Camcorder Hey, Good morning all (almost afternoon), I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? Thanks for your time. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Sat Dec 19 10:38:27 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B2D0F93.3010206@microworks.net> Go with the "(2) dedicated video setups" the MotorSport version of the GoPro Camera works really well, is cheap and is designed for our application. HD Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=30 Standard Wide angle Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=2 Standard Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=5 Here is a video shot mounted to the chin of a helmet on a 125cc Shifter Kart using the Standrd Wide Angle camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvBsSDsF88 Then get a regular camcorder to use for the family videos. Chip Collingwood wrote: > Hey, > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? > > Thanks for your time. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Dec 19 12:18:57 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> Message-ID: I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler From bobbyceeracer at aol.com Sat Dec 19 12:30:53 2009 From: bobbyceeracer at aol.com (bobbyceeracer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:30:53 EST Subject: [Fot] Panasport TR6 Mag Wheels Message-ID: I have 4 Panasport TR6 mag wheels for sale. In excellent condition There Dimensions are 15 x 7 with a depth or offset of 6 inches. Set up for racing. They are called " Formula 1" model There weight is 15 1/2 lbs. $400 plus shipping Bobby Cee From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 12:54:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:54:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> Message-ID: <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> The oils are fully synthetic. The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap done. You never run out of lifters. I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 19 13:43:52 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> Message-ID: <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere around .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a Rockwell or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking out quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No point in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new ceramics available from the American muscle car industry? Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update The oils are fully synthetic. The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap done. You never run out of lifters. I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Dec 20 09:15:35 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:15:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have been looking at my options for a year now. I just bit the bullet and had Santa bring me a Go Pro HD. I will let you know how it works out this spring. For the Race car go with either memory card or tape. The Hard drive I tried wouldn't record because of vibration issues. In open cars you want a camcorder with an audio in so you can have a mic located out of the wind. How is Hellen, had her on the track lately? Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip Collingwood From dave at microworks.net Sun Dec 20 12:16:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:16:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BB4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BB4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <4B2E77F6.3090703@microworks.net> No input for external mic. The camera is housed inside of a case that is waterproof to 100'. However audio comes through very nice and for open cars you can select to have the wind noise filtered out. Barr, Scott wrote: > Does it have an input for the remote microphone? I've been considering this one, but don't have that critical bit of info. > > Scott From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 14:56:50 2009 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] flame paths Message-ID: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Marry Christmas to all Tis the season to rebuild engines Has anyone ever tried cutting flame paths,"quench grooves" in pistons or heads? Just the wrench John Wagner j.wags63 at yahoo.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Dec 20 15:31:42 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:31:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] flame paths References: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0621C8C25DB24CBC9E1B69F8FA65ADB6@desktop> Check these links. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 http://somender-singh.com/content/view/7/31/ http://home.earthlink.net/~scloughn/id21.html http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?p=900295 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wagner" To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [Fot] flame paths > Marry Christmas to all > Tis the season to rebuild engines > > Has anyone ever tried cutting flame paths,"quench grooves" in pistons or > heads? > > Just the wrench > John Wagner > j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Dec 20 16:17:12 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> Message-ID: <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi gang, I recently heard that J K Jackson was doing some things with Ford lifters. Block has to be machined slightly because of a larger diameter of the Fords. Give him a call. Bill.----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'Terry Stetler'" ; "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere around > .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some > aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a Rockwell > or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking out > quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No point > in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... > Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new ceramics > available from the American muscle car industry? > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM > To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > The oils are fully synthetic. > The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap > done. You never run out of lifters. > I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does > fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. > I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 > An: 'Triumph Friends of' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. > > Terry Stetler > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From triosan at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 16:51:38 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:51:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> And if anybody wants the ford GT40 lifters, I have a set for sale. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi gang, I recently heard that J K Jackson was doing some things with Ford > lifters. Block has to be machined slightly because of a larger diameter of > the Fords. > Give him a call. > Bill.----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'Terry Stetler'" > ; "'Triumph Friends of'" > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere > around > > .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some > > aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a > Rockwell > > or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking > out > > quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No > point > > in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... > > Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new > ceramics > > available from the American muscle car industry? > > > > Russ Moore > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of MadMarx > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM > > To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > The oils are fully synthetic. > > The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so > cheap > > done. You never run out of lifters. > > I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one > does > > fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. > > I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 > > An: 'Triumph Friends of' > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. > > > > Terry Stetler > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 07:57:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:57:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Here's a single data point... I have a cam taken from my race car. The cam is pretty mild (Piper BP270) and it has probably 200 hours tops in use, but it has been run through the range (idle to 7000), it's been through odd valve train failures (one broken rocker arm comes to mind) and some other "stuff". But I had this cam and lifters cryogenically treated back in 1999 or 2000. Verdict: NO WEAR. The cam is perfect. The lifters are perfect. I was quite surprised, to be honest. I actually expected the cam to be worn! But it doesn't appear to be worn. I will (someday) actually measure the cam lobes and look at the lifters more closely, but I am totally sold on the cryo-treatment thing. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 08:06:27 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:06:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Jim wrote: > Scott, > Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. Dude, we just got a bunch of that snow stuff. I'd send you some, but I understand that it doesn't do well in UPS trucks. > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Dec 21 09:28:09 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [RTR] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <689301A824F16F458852BEB04BEBF38D046EA610@utexch01.vccs.edu> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> <689301A824F16F458852BEB04BEBF38D046EA610@utexch01.vccs.edu> Message-ID: if you want some really good, powerful but easy to use software, look at the offerings by Pinnacle (Studio Ultimate is what I have). It really is professional quality video editing at a reasonable price. I do know some folks who use it for editing commercial videos. John On Mon, December 21, 2009 10:48 am, Scott McCombe wrote: > Chip, > > Consumer Reports has a fairly good coverage of video camcorders on their > web site. Last year, I bought the Canon mini DVD one they recommended. > I am not as thrilled with having to manage the DVDs as I thought I might > be, but it is nice having that hard copy for later reference. It adds > the one step of checking available space, switching disks, and processes > that you don't have to consider when using a hard drive or memory > recording camera. > > > > Check on whether you have a good compatibility with video editing > software. I don't think the Canon came with enough software to do the > kind of editing one usually want to do, s you may need something in > addition to the base software. My daughter insists that using her Mac > makes video a snap, whereas using Media Creator on my Vista PC is a > laborious process. > > > > I do like the low light capability of the canon and it has done > everything as promised. > > > > Buy an extra battery and keep it charged and ready. > > > > Scott McCombe, PMP > > Project Management Office > > Virginia Community College System > > (804) 819-4680 > > smccombe at vccs.edu > > > > "In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity." > > Albert Einstein > > > > From: rtr-bounces at richmondtriumphregister.com > [mailto:rtr-bounces at richmondtriumphregister.com] On Behalf Of Chip > Collingwood > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:15 PM > To: bluebirds; Friends of Triumph; Richmond Triumph Register; Mark > Palmer > Subject: [RTR] Camcorder > > > > Hey, > > > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual > purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family > and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as > an in car feedback device. > > > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media > is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a > bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is > recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both > interests? > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Chip Collingwood > > 69 TR6 Eprod > > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtr mailing list > rtr at richmondtriumphregister.com > http://richmondtriumphregister.com/mailman/listinfo/rtr_richmondtriumphregister.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Dec 21 12:25:06 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:25:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs Message-ID: Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet liner block, and where to get them? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Dec 21 13:07:35 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:07:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: I called the Roadster Factory and Dave gave me the part number. They sell a stick of 3 TRF # PU1404/3. I couldn't find them in their catalogs but they still have them. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 14:50:06 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:50:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] flame paths In-Reply-To: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <673993c50912211350p217518g4a4e10be300d57f2@mail.gmail.com> See also.. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1396&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3876&start=0 There has been almost no quantitative data to support *Somender Grooves*. The testing that has been done is either qualitative based or the measured difference was small enough to fall within the margin of error of the dyno. If you've followed this on the engine building forums, you will have noticed there is only one or two people championing *Somender Grooves* to be something worth pursing, while many "experts" just claim its snake oil. My *unexpert guess* is that there is nothing really to be gained with them, and you have added more edges to the combustion chamber which can cause much unwanted hot spots. Also, they will eventually fill with carbon which will reduce their effectiveness (granted they worked in the first place). If you get them right, you might be able to reduce your total timing by a degree or two. You will see a bigger power difference in power between two track sessions due to differences in air temperature alone than you will with those grooves. There are gains to be made in other places in an engine where your time and thought would be put to better use. My .02 Bob From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Dec 21 15:03:13 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:03:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message Message-ID: Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm Brad From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 15:14:58 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: <008101ca828b$08fc7bf0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Bob, did Dave say what the thread size was? Just curious. Thanks, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > I called the Roadster Factory and Dave gave me the part number. They sell a > stick of 3 TRF # PU1404/3. I couldn't find them in their catalogs but they > still have them. > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 21 15:44:12 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:44:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 16:20:45 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860912211520w56d72d62u98c8d29f232342ed@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I admit that I might be biased since I do write software for ChaseCam, but I think their solution is very good. I have used a bunch of different cameras over the years, including camcorder, gopros, oregon scientifics etc, but here is the things I like about using a ChaseCam PDR: 1) It is powered from the car. Batteries are a pain, and there is enough to think about at a race, that I would often forget to charge the batteries. 2) The ChaseCam auto starts recording, when you start moving - it's really neat. One real problem with the gopro and camcorders is if you forget to start it, you may not be able to reach it once you are buckled in. Also it is hard to tell if it is recording or not. 3) The camera is separate from the mic, which keeps the mic out of the wind. It sounds like it is better with the new gopro, but the old one was horrible with wind noise. 4) The unit is extremely rugged. 5) You can add a data module (at a pretty good price)which allows you to overlay data, and also do sophisticated data analysis, using rpm, gps position and speed, other sensors. I think the package of chasecam video and data is pretty neat, and a great tool for improving your driving. 6) The video quality is awesome. There are other things too, but these are the main points. If you have any questions about ChaseCam or the data module, let me know. -Mark On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Chip Collingwood wrote: > Hey, > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? > > Thanks for your time. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as markvaden at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 21 17:57:35 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:57:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101ca82a1$c0ba97c0$6401a8c0@blake1> I took the later approach. NPT plugs are easy to find locally and cheap. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:44 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 16:52:10 2009 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> This confirms what I finally narrowed down as the cause of nasty fumes when welding. Even just the fumes in the air from using brake cleaner in the shop would cause bad smelling fumes when I weld. The fumes caused shortness of breath and a lingering tight feeling in my chest. Scary stuff. I just got some non-chlorinated brake cleaner that I hope will be OK. Richard Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message > Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or > TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It > certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. > > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > Brad > _______________________________________________ From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Dec 21 18:49:28 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:49:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- (jch: now shipping snow) In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: <4B3025A8.2060201@blacksburg.net> On 12/21/2009 10:06 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Jim wrote: > >> Scott, > >> Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. > > Dude, we just got a bunch of that snow stuff. I'd send you some, but I > understand that it doesn't do well in UPS trucks. Buffalo NY shipped a whole mess of it years ago in empty box cars which were headed South (IIRC). So you're just using the wrong mode of transport, Bob. Ya gotta think outside the box(car). :-) jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From gp89 at charter.net Mon Dec 21 18:53:20 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091221205321.UBNXL.1035745.root@mp20> I saw the same thing posted at the UW Hospital where I work. To think how many times the mechanic at Sugar River Raceway has welded on go karts that had just been cleaned off with brake parts cleaner. I gave him a copy of it. I hope he took it seriously. Jeff Senty ---- Brad Kahler wrote: > Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or > TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It > certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. > > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Mon Dec 21 19:44:36 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:44:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> References: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> Message-ID: <9A1ED164-9240-4599-882C-835E7004497D@bnj.com> Good to know, I've used that stuff a lot to clean parts before welding. Yikes. On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Richard Good wrote: > This confirms what I finally narrowed down as the cause of nasty fumes when welding. Even just the fumes in the air from using brake cleaner in the shop would cause bad smelling fumes when I weld. The fumes caused shortness of breath and a lingering tight feeling in my chest. Scary stuff. I just got some non-chlorinated brake cleaner that I hope will be OK. > > Richard Good > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message > > >> Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or >> TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It >> certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. >> >> >> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 21 19:49:23 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79191.55172.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob: The threads on tyhe plug are BSP, but I know know which thread. Last time I had a block vatted the rear plug desolved. Ken G at BFE came the the rescue. He stocks them in S/S with an allen hex on the end to screw them in. As you said, the originals came in stick form and were cut after threading in. Kens pieces will last forever, or at least until it doesn't matter anymore. Give Ken a call. Thanks - Ed --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bob Kramer wrote: From: Bob Kramer Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:44 PM Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Dec 21 20:25:52 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:25:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake clean Message-ID: I continue to use wurth brake clean. It's works well. Cans come in a case of 12 but I like the 5 gal drum. Cheaper than the parts store the last time I looked. www.wurthusa.com cheers Tony Garmey From malaboge at aol.com Mon Dec 21 22:43:13 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake clean In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC50E0C99EF4D3-5E80-14C42@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com> You guys are lucky...the last order i got from Wurth, they had to send some alcohol based solvent that doesn't clean much of anything...good ole Kalifornia won't let them sell anything that works anymore. Can't get the old style paint either...all you can get is the new stuff that creates that nifty cyanide gas...needless to say i don't have the Tyvek suits, breathing apparatus and air scrubbers, so no more do it yourself paint jobs either. I feel so much better with big brother by my side... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25 pm Subject: [Fot] brake clean I continue to use wurth brake clean. It's works well. Cans come in a case of 2 but I like the 5 gal drum. Cheaper than the parts store the last time I ooked. www.wurthusa.com cheers Tony Garmey ______________________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 12:40:01 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:40:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <5857554.1261510801676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FOT, What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? ~Steve From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 13:17:34 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:17:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Dec 22 20:01:07 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:01:07 EST Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? Message-ID: Amigos, Just got an Email from a Brit trying to restore some old US racer. He says it has a Phoenix fire suppression system and is looking for contact information and details. I well remember the name, anyone know if they're still around or what he can do?? Happy Christmas guys, Steve From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Dec 22 20:16:53 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup To: "steve" , "FOT" Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 22 20:38:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any nipples and hoses on any body else's car. Ed, did you call today?........ Joe A -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve ; FOT Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Steve: do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. hat is the lists take on this? Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: rom: steve ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup o: "steve" , "FOT" ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far s I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup FOT, What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure auge? ~Steve You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Dec 22 20:54:07 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A24B339C517438FA262076D016C50C4@joepentiumnew> There is a web site: http://www.phoenixfire.com/ It looks like it is mostly concerned with commercial and home fire systems but they do have some Halon substitute systems that I suppose could be adapted to cars. It might be worth a contact. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? Amigos, Just got an Email from a Brit trying to restore some old US racer. He says it has a Phoenix fire suppression system and is looking for contact information and details. I well remember the name, anyone know if they're still around or what he can do?? Happy Christmas guys, Steve From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 22 21:19:26 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:19:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I run the heater pipe to a pressure tank in the battery box location, then over to the back of the head. I think it helps with flow around number 4. It a 1 quart Canton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "steve" ; "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > Steve: > I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block > that > port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around > cylinders 3 > and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece > of > hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes > from > the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the > heater > valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. > What is the lists take on this? > -Ed- > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: > > > From: steve > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > To: "steve" , "FOT" > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM > > > Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as > far > as I know!!! > > I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) > > -----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >>FOT, >> >>What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >>1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >>2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >>Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure > gauge? >> >> >> >>~Steve >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 22 22:13:26 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:13:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the hole at the rear of the head. - Tony At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any >nipples and hoses on any body else's car. > >Ed, did you call today?........ > >Joe A > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: EDWARD BARNARD >To: steve ; FOT >Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > > >Steve: > do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that >ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 >nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of >ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from >he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater >alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >hat is the lists take on this? >Ed- >--- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: > >rom: steve >ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >o: "steve" , "FOT" >ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM > >ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far >s I know!!! >I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >-----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >auge? > > > >~Steve >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >http://www.fot-racing.com > >ot at autox.team.net >ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >http://www.fot-racing.com > >ot at autox.team.net >ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Tue Dec 22 22:18:15 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:18:15 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <99E9DDD4-776E-40DB-A19A-3332383704AB@bnj.com> I do this on all my engines. Peyote originally had a feed to a modified rear freeze plug but Tony Garmey converted it to the rear head port. On Dec 22, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the hole at the rear of the head. > > - Tony > > At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any >> nipples and hoses on any body else's car. >> >> Ed, did you call today?........ >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EDWARD BARNARD >> To: steve ; FOT >> Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> >> Steve: >> do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that >> ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 >> nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of >> ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from >> he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater >> alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >> hat is the lists take on this? >> Ed- >> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: >> >> rom: steve >> ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> o: "steve" , "FOT" >> ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM >> >> ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far >> s I know!!! >> I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: steve >> Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> FOT, >> >> What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >> 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >> 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >> Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >> auge? >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> ot at autox.team.net >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> ot at autox.team.net >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 01:25:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:25:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ca83a9$7fe9a250$7fbce6f0$@com> I still have the heater in place and use it on cold racing days to keep my feet warm and dry. It is also an emergency cooling unit that enables you to have one more lap maybe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 04:17 An: steve; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Dec 23 07:38:57 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the > hole at the rear of the head. > > - Tony > > At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >>Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing >>any >>nipples and hoses on any body else's car. >> >>Ed, did you call today?........ >> >>Joe A >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: EDWARD BARNARD >>To: steve ; FOT >>Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> >>Steve: >> do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block >> that >>ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around >>cylinders 3 >>nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece >>of >>ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes >>from >>he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the >>heater >>alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >>hat is the lists take on this? >>Ed- >>--- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: >> >>rom: steve >>ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >>o: "steve" , "FOT" >>ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM >> >>ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as >>far >>s I know!!! >>I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >>-----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >>FOT, >> >>What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >>1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >>2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >>Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >>auge? >> >> >> >>~Steve >>You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>ot at autox.team.net >>ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>ot at autox.team.net >>ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From group44tr7 at aol.com Wed Dec 23 08:58:32 2009 From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:58:32 EST Subject: [Fot] Pictures Needed - Woodner Rally Car Message-ID: <3fa6.2688b9a8.38639828@aol.com> Season Greetings Its suprising how few photos seem to exist of Jon Woodner's TR8 rally car. There is one on the internet that I have found in which the car appears to be orange with dark blue (black?). When the car was damaged and sold at the Pike's Peak Hill Climb, the polariods make it appears to have been completely repainted blue. If anyone has or knows someone with pictures, I would appreciate getting copies of them. Thank you in advance, Cary From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Dec 23 09:34:47 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:34:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <20091223.113447.10141.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat housing. At the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This is more of a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup To: "steve" , "FOT" Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. 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It certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm Brad You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=-BWClDfpzp27XTAfJgurKgAAJz6U 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Dec 23 13:26:15 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:26:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TSI TR4 Exhaust Header Message-ID: <000001ca840e$2d955390$88bffab0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have a four-into-one exhaust header from Ted Schumacher (TSI Imports) which I purchased new for my TR4 racer but did not use. If you are in need of something like this and want to save a few dollars, contact me offline at vintage.racer at comcast.net. Thanks and Happy Holidays. Gary From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 23 14:53:42 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B329166.1030009@blacksburg.net> On 12/22/2009 3:17 PM, steve wrote: > Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! > > I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) > > -----Original Message----- >> From: steve >> Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> FOT, >> >> What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >> 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 1/2" NPT >> 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. 1/2" fine thread -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Dec 23 15:20:41 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:20:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> Message-ID: <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> If you think about the way it is designed, the location of the hottest point depends on the design of the head gasket. If the head gasket has most of the flow going up at the rear and just a trickle in the front portion, then the hottest point will be at cylinder one. If there is a lot of upward flow near the front and little at the rear, the hottest point will be cylinder 4. If you take water out at the heater port you will encourage flow to #4, but #1 will receive less water, so it will be hotter. With a little experimentation, the size of the holes could probably be optimized so that 1 and 4 are at the same temperature.. I think the stock gaskets cause #4 to be hottest. I like the way Mordy does the holes in his gaskets with big holes at the back. Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender > located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling > system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , > running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 17:00:54 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:00:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca842c$2c7dcd70$85796850$@com> I had no luck with altering the holes sizes of the steel gasket. Each time I'd enlarge the backwards holes the engine went warm and spilled water. So I run it as it comes and all is fine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 23:21 An: Mark Pendergrass; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup If you think about the way it is designed, the location of the hottest point depends on the design of the head gasket. If the head gasket has most of the flow going up at the rear and just a trickle in the front portion, then the hottest point will be at cylinder one. If there is a lot of upward flow near the front and little at the rear, the hottest point will be cylinder 4. If you take water out at the heater port you will encourage flow to #4, but #1 will receive less water, so it will be hotter. With a little experimentation, the size of the holes could probably be optimized so that 1 and 4 are at the same temperature.. I think the stock gaskets cause #4 to be hottest. I like the way Mordy does the holes in his gaskets with big holes at the back. Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender > located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling > system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , > running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From chasgee at aol.com Wed Dec 23 19:39:05 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut Message-ID: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Amici, What is the tightening torque for the output flange nut on a TR4/TR6 transmission? I don't have a manual for the larger cars and I'm too cheap to buy one. Thanks, Chuck Gee From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Wed Dec 23 21:36:06 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:36:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut In-Reply-To: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck Propeller Shaft Flange to Gearbox Mainshaft 80-120 ft/lbs Cheers Peter V TR-4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2009 1:39 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut Amici, What is the tightening torque for the output flange nut on a TR4/TR6 transmission? I don't have a manual for the larger cars and I'm too cheap to buy one. Thanks, Chuck Gee You are subscribed as pvucinic at netspace.net.au http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. __________ NOD32 4713 (20091223) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 09:52:55 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:52:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers Message-ID: The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 09:53:30 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:53:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about the Triumph LM prototype that was entered in the 1966 Daytona 24 Hour race by an E. P. Drescher? It was driven by Harry Fry, Hugh Kleinpeter and George Parsons. could this have been the Conrero? From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 10:25:35 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:25:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912240925k1fea6570h6ebc5daf13b5509c@mail.gmail.com> I know Pacific Raceways does. A fellow driver had a bicycle accident at the track that resulted in $20,000 injury. He was on the way to the hot pits where another driver was driving hos race car. Got run over by another racer on his bike [cannot keep those Pro 3 BMW guys from racing even when not in their cars]. My friend did not have any medical insurance. The track insurance paid the bill. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Dec 24 10:44:01 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during my "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know that a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than any of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a crime, civil disturbance, or during war. -Ed- --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: From: Bob Kramer Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 10:52:06 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype References: Message-ID: Apparantly the LM Prototype was one of the TRS cars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype > Does anyone know anything about the Triumph LM prototype that was entered > in > the 1966 Daytona 24 Hour race by an E. P. Drescher? It was driven by Harry > Fry, Hugh Kleinpeter and George Parsons. could this have been the Conrero? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 24 11:15:21 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:15:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good question. I have always wondered how my health insurance would react to something taking place while at an event. I know my auto insurance would laugh hysterically as they tossed my policy in the trash should I ever try to submit a claim. I am interested on the feedback to this thread. Marty > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:52:55 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From bownes at seiri.com Thu Dec 24 11:17:13 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:17:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting. It would appear that there is a large variation in insurance out there. This is a question I have specifically asked at every serious interview for every job I've had since the late 80s (and I've been a technology job-hopper over the years so it's probably 10 -12 insurance companies/jobs). Even when I was listed as a 'critical employee/BOD member' in a few start ups, racing has never been an issue, though piloting a private aircraft has (I gave that up in the mid 80's, but that's another story) been mentioned. Nor has riding a motorcycle been an issue. As a volunteer emergency services provider (Emergency medicine and fire services), we get some incredible coverage when on duty and when on the way to/from the stations. And even a pension. (~$50/mo after I turn 65). Maybe it's just vintage racing guys are too aggressive vs the regular SCCA crowd ;) Hope Santa brings you all the racer toys you wanted! Bob On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now > senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during > my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above > activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that > would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know > that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than > any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a > recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Thu Dec 24 12:54:39 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Regardless of the outcome of the Senate passing their bill this morning, then being able to reconcile with the House's bill sometime in January or February and Obama signing whatever results we will be start being taxed in 2010 but there will be no benefits until 2014. So if your son is still unemployed 4 years from now then the answer would be that he could remain on your policy. Of course this supposes that the law is not put on hold by the Courts on Constitutional grounds EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Dec 24 13:53:21 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:53:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Message-ID: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. -Ed- --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: From: David W. Riddle Subject: Re: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Cc: fot at autox.team.net, "Bob Kramer" Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 1:54 PM Regardless of the outcome of the Senate passing their bill this morning, then being able to reconcile with the House's bill sometime in January or February and Obama signing whatever results we will be start being taxed in 2010 but there will be no benefits until 2014. So if your son is still unemployed 4 years from now then the answer would be that he could remain on your policy. Of course this supposes that the law is not put on hold by the Courts on Constitutional grounds EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > From billb at bnj.com Thu Dec 24 15:19:16 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:19:16 -1000 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a grim truth that even with the kinds of premiums I pay, I am uncovered about 20% of the time. Racing cars, diving, surfing, riding motorcycles--all have exclusions. Both life insurance and health insurance. We adrenalin junkies are increasingly on our own, even though health care for accidents is a fraction of the cost of end of life care. On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:44 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Dec 24 16:18:59 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Are you sure????? He's looking to be rel-elected as the most incompetent in 2012? Gee I don't think he has a clue!!!! Michigan is drowning in taxes EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned > two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the > bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the > ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill > before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. > We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Dec 24 16:26:44 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: Greetings, PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we can all stay friends. Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer, Connie and Barley TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 24 16:58:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:58:48 +0100 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca84f5$0a529a40$1ef7cec0$@com> In Germany you are health care insured regardless what kind of sport you are doing. Life insurance don't cover motorsport, so I have a special life insurance for motorsport which cost me 300 EUR a year but does cover death and maybe more (don't know where the policy is) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Kramer Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Dezember 2009 17:53 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 24 16:59:28 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: <000d01ca84f5$20c1b4a0$62451de0$@rr.com> Want to trade with New York? We have a governor that rivals his level of incompetence and tax happy approach to pay for handouts. We're getting it from all sides. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:19 PM To: EDWARD BARNARD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers Are you sure????? He's looking to be rel-elected as the most incompetent in 2012? Gee I don't think he has a clue!!!! Michigan is drowning in taxes EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned > two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the > bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the > ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill > before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. > We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From herald948 at aol.com Thu Dec 24 17:38:11 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:38:11 EST Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT Message-ID: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> In a message dated 12/24/2009 6:32:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: Greetings, PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we can all stay friends. Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, ==AM== I second both thoughts! --Andy Mace From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 24 18:32:31 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B34162F.70500@bradakis.com> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote: > Greetings, > PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we > can all stay friends. > Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, Indeed. If you *DO* want to blabber on about political stuff, sign up for the-local ( http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/the-local - it is intended to be a place for non-automotive blatherings about this that and the other. mjb. From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Dec 24 20:31:49 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> Message-ID: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Dec 24 20:34:58 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:34:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Life, health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am told by my life insurance agent that after three years, you are grandfathered on life insurance coverage, even if it disallowed certain incidents initially. On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: It's a grim truth that even with the kinds of premiums I pay, I am uncovered about 20% of the time. Racing cars, diving, surfing, riding motorcycles--all have exclusions. Both life insurance and health insurance. We adrenalin junkies are increasingly on our own, even though health care for accidents is a fraction of the cost of end of life care. On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:44 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be > addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on > their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if > the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me > during my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was > always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt > from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all > know that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater > risk than any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to > complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during > commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a > job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he > instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an > individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being > told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track > incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own > insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the > event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have > insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 24 20:46:59 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B3435B3.6040302@bradakis.com> > However, I suspect a generation or two down the road > will be getting it on with electric motors Apologies to Ford and Mopar fans. http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24 mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 24 21:05:34 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:05:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <10.0A.01567.D0A343B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > However, I suspect a generation or two down the road > will be getting it on with electric motors, Not gonna be that long ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf89tawZX8 Randall From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Dec 24 23:50:32 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:50:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Message-ID: When I raced Midgets/sprint cars I had a policy from K and K in Indy. They cover or Used to ! race drivers,race cars, trucks,trailers tools. I wasn't very expensive. Short track racers never have any Money. There is now wells fargo covering the motor sport industry. Perhaps something along these lines will help ? What about Aflac ?? Good luck Tony From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Dec 25 07:44:14 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401ca8570$bb052b70$310f8250$@net> Can you imagine racing an electric car at summit point or where every Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:32 PM To: herald948 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Politics and the FoT much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 08:08:18 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:12:16 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:12:16 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> depends on the 'brand'...if its an RJS,they will re-web....others may not, they prob lobbies SCCA to shorten the dates to sell more... In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:22:16 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:22:16 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <2278.25785710.386640b8@aol.com> RJS in Hazel Park,MI will re-web it twice....then must replace all . In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:23:26 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:23:26 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <22a8.37284dbe.386640fe@aol.com> should have said that RJS will only do their own brand,not others. In a message dated 12/25/2009 11:21:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rek46 at aol.com writes: depends on the 'brand'...if its an RJS,they will re-web....others may not, they prob lobbies SCCA to shorten the dates to sell more... In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 25 09:33:18 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years ago. http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:45:40 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:45:40 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <25d4.2db7dc4b.38664634@aol.com> Not sure they can make SFI approved/labeled race belts....they seem to specialize in OEM repros....but I'd check that out very thoroughly....don't forget, its your life at stake.....I can vouch for good belts on 3 very nasty 100 - 120mph crashes, or I wouldn't be here to type this. In a message dated 12/25/2009 11:35:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 25 09:47:38 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:47:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: >From the website that looks like just wimpy passenger car stuff. On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years > ago. > > http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 25 10:33:01 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <85AE8CD75FE945E393C0AA98524346C0@joepentiumnew> That could be but when I talked to the rep, he seemed to indicate that they will do virtually any type belt. Might be worth asking. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:48 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Rob'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness >From the website that looks like just wimpy passenger car stuff. On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years > ago. > > http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 25 11:11:07 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:11:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C27@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. >> Ice sailing on Sturgeon Bay! ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: herald948 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu Dec 24 21:31:49 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Politics and the FoT much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Dec 25 11:22:17 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:22:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> After watching the original footage of belt stretch during deceleration incidents from the folks who did reaearch on the HANS device.... I would sell your old belts on Ebay to offset the purchase of a new set from a truly reputable company. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 25 12:28:29 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:28:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> Message-ID: <855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try www.crowenterprizes.com - they do a very nice job. Merry Christmas everyone D Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 12:36:11 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <673993c50912251136p46a3e509rb1b6bc196ac18b22@mail.gmail.com> I think most of the belt manufacturers have their own belt-rewebbing program, at least GForce and Schroth do. I think Simpson doesn't reweb, but they give you something like a 20% discount on new belts. Crow and I think M&R will reweb other manufactuers belts, but for a higher fee than they will do their own. Once they reweb it, it becomes their belt, and it's cheaper to reweb the next time around. Bob From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Dec 25 13:25:13 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:25:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I had a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt did not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:28:29 To: ; <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness Try www.crowenterprizes.com - they do a very nice job. Merry Christmas everyone D Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as gasket.works at gte.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 25 15:27:42 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:27:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <000301ca85b1$7cac6960$76053c20$@com> I would replace them and sell the old stuff to some young hot rod guys for a few bucks. They like that a lot. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Rob Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 16:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] saftey harness Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 25 17:15:42 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:15:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> I like good safety gear. Can't see spending $800 for a set of tires and skimping on safety gear. On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I had a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt did not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 17:41:55 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com><419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2991B774B65A415181F3B25E32E964F7@INSPIRON> boy looks like a slow day in the news room thanks for all the reply's rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness >I like good safety gear. Can't see spending $800 for a set of tires and > skimping on safety gear. > > On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > >> Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I >> had > a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to > company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt > did > not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Dec 25 19:49:04 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:49:04 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat housing. At the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This is more of a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- ____________________________________________________________ Auto Loans Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=Hoje3886tmb2FF0wnaURlQAAJz6U 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIwAAAAA= From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Dec 25 20:22:58 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:22:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: I looked into rewebbing my Simpson belts a few years back and learned the price of re-webbed belts was not significantly different from new belts. And if I cut off my SFI tags and sent them in, I got a discount. Now I just buy new and sell the old ones to an autocrosser for $15. Tip (for SCCA anyway): Make sure the new ones are dated 2010. That way, under the "2-year rule" you actually get three years. How? 2010 belts expire in 2012. But only the year matters -- they expire at the END of 2012. Buy in January 2010, keep 'em to December 2012, buy the next set in January 2013. (Been doing that ever since the 2-year rule kicked in.) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 25 21:05:27 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:05:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Helping the flow of water sounds like a good idea but for the record, my car has run with these holes plugged for 40 years with no cooling problems. I was looking for the easy route on getting the sizes so I could make one trip to the hardware store or my local surplus fitting store. I'm lucky to be near a couple of stores here in LA that have all the stock from the old "Joe Factor" shop. It was wall to wall aircraft and nuts and bolt surplus. Hate to be in there during an earthquake or I'd be buried by AN fittings. One thing I need to do is make a 7/16 - 14 Banjo bolt to run a fitting from the oil gallery to the oil press. gauge. Happy Holidays everyone. ~Steve On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat > housing. At > the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This > is more of > a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > To: steve , FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) > > Steve: > I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you > block that > port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around > cylinders > 3 > and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short > piece of > hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which > comes > from > the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave > the > heater > valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. > What is the lists take on this? > -Ed- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Auto Loans > Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=Hoje3886tmb2FF0wnaURlQAAJz6U > 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIwAAAAA > = > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Dec 25 21:39:51 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:39:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <25349342.1261802391549.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Look at www.tracksidetim.com under belts and rewebbing tab on the left of the page. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> >Sent: Dec 28, 2009 7:41 PM >To: Bill Babcock , gasket.works at gte.net >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness > >boy looks like a slow day in the news room thanks for all the reply's >rob From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 13:23:17 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help Message-ID: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am making progress getting the car back together. The challenge for me is I got the car in pieces (and I have never worked on a Triumph before) and it it a bit of a puzzle to get it all together. The factor manual seems to be lacking some detail. I have a center pull and a heat shield. The way it appears (it was not hooked up with a heat shield before) it was hooked up before does not give me enough travel to fully open the carbs. Does any one have photos or can send me a sketch on how the linkage should be set up. It bugs me that I am not seeing this. All the other weird stuff I have figured out so far. I am still on track to run the Portland and Seattle historics in July. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Mike Mehl 62 TR4 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 26 15:41:42 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:41:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... Message-ID: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> Happy Holidaze, First I wanted to thank many of you that sent me ideas and photos of pan baffles last spring when I started this project. I am finally back on this project putting the finishing touches on things and its time for a final design review to make sure I did not miss something and make things worse. At the following link you will find photos of the trap door system I fabricated. Seems everyone complained about losing oil on left hand corners and no-one mentioned a right hand issue so there is only one baffle down the length and a transverse baffle thinking braking going into a corner throws oil forward, might as well keep it there. I took ideas from what worked for some and added trap doors designed like my Moroso pan one of my other toys. The doors flop easily, not worried about them sticking, surprisingly easy to fabricate. Don't be polite - I'd rather trash it all than trash the motor. Photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ Thanks again for all your help last spring... Best, Mark From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 26 16:08:11 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Soldering question Message-ID: <4B36975B.6080508@twcny.rr.com> I'm usually pretty good with a torch and solder but soldering the screen back on a TR3 oil pickup has proven quite challenging. Can this be done with traditional copper pipe solder and flux or does it take something different e.g. lead... Any technique tips? Thanks, M From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 26 16:44:07 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:44:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Soldering question In-Reply-To: <4B36975B.6080508@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: > Can > this be done > with traditional copper pipe solder and flux I did mine that way, but it was quite some time ago. Following Ken G's tip of reinforcing it by working copper wire through and tying it around the tube seems to have solved the breakage problem, for me. > or does it take > something > different e.g. lead... Any technique tips? Definitely see if you can find the old lead/tin solder instead of the modern "lead free" stuff. At least in my experience, the "lead free" doesn't work nearly as well. You may have to resort to using 'electronic' solder, if your plumbing shop doesn't carry lead/tin. Degrease and get the screen just as clean as you can. Might even be worth dipping it in "Tarn-X" or similar, although I just used a Scotch-brite pad. 'Tin' (coat with solder) the screen first, and then merge it with the blob on the tube. And if all else fails, new screens are only $25 @ TRF. Randall From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Dec 26 19:43:26 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... In-Reply-To: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> References: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> On 12/26/2009 5:41 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Happy Holidaze, > > First I wanted to thank many of you that sent me ideas and photos of pan > baffles last spring when I started this project. I am finally back on > this project putting the finishing touches on things and its time for a > final design review to make sure I did not miss something and make > things worse. > > At the following link you will find photos of the trap door system I > fabricated. Seems everyone complained about losing oil on left hand > corners and no-one mentioned a right hand issue so there is only one > baffle down the length and a transverse baffle thinking braking going > into a corner throws oil forward, might as well keep it there. I took > ideas from what worked for some and added trap doors designed like my > Moroso pan one of my other toys. The doors flop easily, not worried > about them sticking, surprisingly easy to fabricate. > > Don't be polite - I'd rather trash it all than trash the motor. Mark, I like your style: if a job is worth doing, it's worth over-doing. I can't speak to the effectiveness of the design, but the fabrication job looks nice. And I think the idea of spinning around in the yard with oil in the sump is a great idea. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jibjib at att.net Sat Dec 26 23:16:14 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:16:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, For your son - I have used Costco's catastrophic insurance to tide us over for a few months when I was out of a job. It was not for check-ups or a regular doctor's visit, only for something major, like a hospitalization, etc. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as jibjib at att.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Dec 27 08:37:21 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... In-Reply-To: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> References: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4B377F31.9050605@twcny.rr.com> I'm sure this is the one group that understands how that works. The job starts as a simple baffle but as the job progresses, the ideas flow and next thing you know it becomes about playing with the torch to see if I can do it. By the time I am done; overkill... I kindda miss Uncle Jack who used to a voice of reason to run ideas by - in fact it was Tony that brought reality for my big plans for a custom scraper and oil trap system was probably worth less than a horse-power in my case. In the long run its all about being in our playgrounds with all our toys - I've seen your cars - you know what I mean... I do worry that I may have done something with unforeseen consequences - hence the post. Cheers, M From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Dec 27 17:43:44 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help In-Reply-To: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601ca8756$da3fc530$8ebf4f90$@com> I'll send some photos of our H6 carbs and heat shield off list to you. We had to cut a slot into the front of the heat shield for the bell crank in the linkage to work properly. I'm speaking of the heat shield from Joe A., the stainless steel one. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:23 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help I am making progress getting the car back together. The challenge for me is I got the car in pieces (and I have never worked on a Triumph before) and it it a bit of a puzzle to get it all together. The factor manual seems to be lacking some detail. I have a center pull and a heat shield. The way it appears (it was not hooked up with a heat shield before) it was hooked up before does not give me enough travel to fully open the carbs. Does any one have photos or can send me a sketch on how the linkage should be set up. It bugs me that I am not seeing this. All the other weird stuff I have figured out so far. I am still on track to run the Portland and Seattle historics in July. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Mike Mehl 62 TR4 You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From herald948 at aol.com Sun Dec 27 18:59:00 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire heads Message-ID: <8CC5578757BE46C-4C34-1AD77@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> Question for Spitfire racers. I seem to recall that 511538 is supposed to be one of the better heads for these engines, and that might be borne out by the fact that I have two such heads: one on the engine in my old autocross Spitfire (ex-GP from the late 1960s), and one that came as a spare with the car many years ago. Can anyone confirm that this is one of the better heads for these engines? Also, what about the 514384 head -- any good? Any others? I remember one of you telling me years ago about a 948 head; alas, those old e-mails live only on a dead computer at the moment. :( Thanks for any insight! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 14:30:54 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:30:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires Message-ID: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 28 15:17:17 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:17:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> I run on Yoko A048 and would say, after 2 or 3 laps they wake up when on the right pressure and last the whole distance. I know from a back to back test of a team over here that the Hoosiers Speedsters does have a very good peak grip for a couple of laps but then the tire don't seem to be usable anymore. Maybe this heat cycle theme. The Yoko don't reach the grip of the Hoosiers but is not much away from it but the tire does last for ages. I still run tires from 2008 and do very well on them including two hours Nordschleife two times. I think I'll do the first two race on them next year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 22:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] 15" tires Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 28 15:29:03 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:29:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I ran 10 race weekends on my Yoko A048R 205/60/15. By the 10th race, the tires had noticeably less grip. Just mounted a set of Nitto NT01's 205/50/15 and will try them when the new season begins. ~Steve On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax > tire > rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / > observations > between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or > Yoko > A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street > TD's, and / > or Kumho V700's? > > I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the > Toyo's and > Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). > > Just curious.. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 18:45:26 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:45:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0912281745w4a611714k91a4e420948290a8@mail.gmail.com> I ran 15 races on Toyota R888s. Grip was fairly consistent. Would have run them a third year but for tread damage incurred showing off for Joe Alexander at Willow Springs in October : ( On Dec 28, 2009 3:26 PM, "Steven Belfer" wrote: I ran 10 race weekends on my Yoko A048R 205/60/15. By the 10th race, the tires had noticeably less grip. Just mounted a set of Nitto NT01's 205/50/15 and will try them when the new season begins. ~Steve On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > > Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire > > rules), done any back t... > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot... > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html ... From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 21:27:59 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> Message-ID: I'm running Hoosier R6's after Toyo RA-1's and will never go back. The RA-1's are great tires but nowhere near as fast as the Hoosiers Jim G RMVR -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:17 PM To: 'Bob Adams'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 15" tires I run on Yoko A048 and would say, after 2 or 3 laps they wake up when on the right pressure and last the whole distance. I know from a back to back test of a team over here that the Hoosiers Speedsters does have a very good peak grip for a couple of laps but then the tire don't seem to be usable anymore. Maybe this heat cycle theme. The Yoko don't reach the grip of the Hoosiers but is not much away from it but the tire does last for ages. I still run tires from 2008 and do very well on them including two hours Nordschleife two times. I think I'll do the first two race on them next year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 22:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] 15" tires Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ______________________________ _________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htm l You are subscribed as toodamnfunky at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 28 23:39:28 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Message-ID: <000301ca8851$ad524920$07f6db60$@com> Hi, I have a question about the Landrover crank seal conversion for the TR4. How is this splited seal moved over the rear mounting flange of the crank? How to install the spring that will come with the ring? Any photos available? Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 29 08:36:23 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:36:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal In-Reply-To: <001b01ca8886$09d214f2$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> References: <001b01ca8886$09d214f2$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <000101ca889c$af95db70$0ec19250$@com> Today I started developing a crank seal that don't need any change of the crankshaft. Only the aluminum ring has to be reworked on a lathe. So it should be a simple conversion and should doing better than the current market products. I'm now staying in contact with several sealing ring manufacturers for the developing and making of them. I let you know how it turns out. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Dezember 2009 13:54 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Chris, The rear seal is split, so it easily stretches to fit on the journal. The spring then clips together on the journal, then you position it into the groove in the seal. It is quite obvious once you look at the parts. Uncle Jack liked to trim a little off the edge of the seal, to shorten the overall length, so the seal will be tighter on the journal. For some time the seals we were getting did benefit from this. I find the seals we now get are the correct size, no trimming required. Sorry, no photos, as I am on holiday in the UK. Cheers. Henry Frye - Sent from Phone Triumph Technology Consultants 860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O) -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:11 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Hi, I have a question about the Landrover crank seal conversion for the TR4. How is this splited seal moved over the rear mounting flange of the crank? How to install the spring that will come with the ring? Any photos available? Cheers Chris You are subscribed as henry at henryfrye.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:31:56 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> Message-ID: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> Interesting. I've made up my mind, and know where most of the tires stand in relation to each other from the SCCA IT and SM world. Due to vintage organizations' tire rules on the east coast, competitors with 15" wheels, I feel, are at a competitive disadvantage to competitors on 14" wheels. Now that the Speedsters are made in a 14" rim size. It might be interesting if Classic Motorsports did a vintage tire test like they did a few years ago. Bob From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 30 08:52:22 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O/D Message-ID: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Gang, Happy New Year. I need some input on overdrive transmissions. Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 speed? I'm considering one for my TR6. Thanks, Bill PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; tough when a Mountie goes bad. From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Dec 30 10:23:23 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:23:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From kaskas at cox.net Wed Dec 30 11:08:21 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:08:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> I figure if you go to 14" you will create more tread heat without doubt and maybe be handy on a cold day or wet but they will also take away from braking effciency. I don't know the tread width difference but I expect it is smaller, very important. ---- Bob Adam I ds wrote: ============= Interesting. I've made up my mind, and know where most of the tires stand in relation to each other from the SCCA IT and SM world. Due to vintage organizations' tire rules on the east coast, competitors with 15" wheels, I feel, are at a competitive disadvantage to competitors on 14" wheels. Now that the Speedsters are made in a 14" rim size. It might be interesting if Classic Motorsports did a vintage tire test like they did a few years ago. Bob You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. -- Never be beaten by equipment From rodkent at cox.net Wed Dec 30 11:58:35 2009 From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jeff_durant at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 13:34:31 2009 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I vote for the CR set. Less weight and less parts to break. Still using Kastner 1.88 1st CR set with modified laygear bearings. Jeff D. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 To: ; ; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jeff_durant at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 30 14:52:39 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:52:39 +0100 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <001c01ca899a$69914f20$3cb3ed60$@com> I'm happily using my OD but driving a TR4. I could imagine that a 6 have even more profit from because of the extra power and gearing on long straights. While others smashing their engines at 7000 rpm you can coast at 6000. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 16:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] O/D Hi Gang, Happy New Year. I need some input on overdrive transmissions. Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 speed? I'm considering one for my TR6. Thanks, Bill PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; tough when a Mountie goes bad. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 30 15:02:53 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jeff_durant at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:35 PM To: rodkent at cox.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net; william.tobin3 at verizon.net; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D I vote for the CR set. Less weight and less parts to break. Still using Kastner 1.88 1st CR set with modified laygear bearings. Jeff D. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 To: ; ; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 30 15:12:57 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:12:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin Message-ID: I am in the process of replacing the bushes in the front and back eyes of my rear leaf springs. In doing so, I realized that the rear shackle was easy to detach but the spring won't come off of the front attachment pin. According to the FOT link below, it's clear that these are a notorious pain. See link: http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2003-12/msg00177.html Anyway, I realized that this pin is seized to the inner metal bush inside the front spring eye. When I move the spring up and down from the back, I can see that the pin is turning quite easily in the frame. This means that as the leaf spring flexes up and down, this pin is pivoting up and down in the frame. Is this thing supposed to move or should it stay put? ~Steve From adams910 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:57:14 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> References: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> Without a doubt Kas. Thats the reason in SCCAs GT classes, there is a weight penalty when going up from 13 to 15 rim sizes. Despite the drawbacks in rotating and unsprung weight, the tires run cooler which allows the use of a softer compound tire. This isnt an issue in classes that require DOT legal tires, since they vary rarely are manufactured with different compounds. It also should be a null point because the cars with 14 wheels have a lighter minimum weight than the TRs, which I think would cancel out any advantage to running a larger diameter tire. I think the issue to eastern/midwest TR racing community is the compound and tread design differences between the two tire sizes. The manufacturers build current treaded DOT-R tires in a 205/55 size which is legal under the vintage organizations rules (205/55 radials have the same overall diameter as a 205/60 bias-ply such as the Street TD), but the same tire model / compound (including the Street TD) are constructed in 205/50 sizes, which are not legal (sidewall is too short). The tires that are constructed in a 15 vintage legal size either have narrower tread widths (Vintage TDs and Bluestreaks- 5.50 tread width) or are too hard, get greasy, and heat cycle out way before the tread is used up (Speedsters and A048s). Oddly enough, all these tires are much more expensive and dont last as long as a modern 205/50/15 treaded R-DOT tire. Here is a handy calculator that shows how the sizes stack up.. http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit I know I might sound like a broken record to some and most of you guys arent racing to win, but its pretty fustrating for everyone involved to watch your car get outbraked, and the passing car leave 3ft of track width open on exit, while your car is dropping wheels just to keep up. Any thoughts? From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 30 17:16:35 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter Message-ID: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. Anyone ever used one? D From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 17:36:03 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Barr, Scott wrote: > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. :-) > Scott rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 18:02:57 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:02:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is this thing supposed to > move or should it stay put? Definitely should stay put. In fact, there is supposed to be a flat on the head of the pin, and a matching tab on the frame, to keep it from rotating. But if it's not clamped firmly together, the pin will work back and forth and eventually destroy the tab (found the same thing on my wrecked 3A). Before doing anything drastic, I would try soaking it in PB Blaster for a few days (longer if you have the patience) and then fabricating a simple puller from high tensile threaded rod (available from MMC, etc, not the threaded silly putty they sell at Home Depot), heavy flat washer (ditto) and a suitable spacer. Run a tap into the pin to clean up the threads; then double-nut the stud and torque it lightly into the pin (to ensure it bottoms). I believe this works much better than the method outlined at the link you gave, because there is no side force applied to the pin to make it bind (worse) in the frame tube. You also want the opposing force applied to the frame rail as close as possible, to reduce the chances of pulling the tube out of the frame. At any rate, I recently pulled a pin that may have been unmolested since 1956, and this method worked for me. I thought sure something would break, but it didn't. Randall From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 18:16:23 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:16:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Dec 30 18:27:46 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Originally the head of the pin had a flat that engaged a similar recess in the tube on the frame, keeping it from rotating. And yes, they are no fun to change. Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 18:28:29 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85.C2.08392.D3EFB3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini > Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. > Anyone ever used one? I have one on my daily driver TR3 (from TRF tho, not eBay) and I'm very happy with it. Some have reported problems though, with wires breaking inside the solenoid. I bought my next one from Ted S. as he supposedly has the solenoid wires secured to prevent this problem. (Haven't managed to try that one yet, though, the Stag it is for has other problems.) Be sure you get the one that matches your flywheel. There were at least 4 different flywheels used on the TR3/4 and two different types of starter. There are "high torque" replacements for both (only the pinion gear is different), but things don't work so well with mismatched components. ISTR the "press on" ring gear takes a 9 tooth pinion, while the "bolt on" ring gears take 10 teeth. Randall From mdhado at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 19:14:29 2009 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:14:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the 3.7 is the "baseline" or 1.0, then the 3.45 would be 3.45 / 3.7 = .93 output. The standard OD is about .82 so the 3.45 would be the equivalent of "half an overdrive", right? A friend of mine has a 3.45 and is considering an A-type OD so he would end up with .93 x .82 = .76. That's quite a reduction. Great for the open road but probably not for racing. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:36 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Barr, Scott wrote: > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. :-) > Scott rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 20:03:10 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:03:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? > > NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. Only if your math isn't so good. 3.45/3.70 = .93, not .80 Randall From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 20:40:49 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> I use one and it's great, half the weight too. jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:17 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. Anyone ever used one? D ______________________________ _________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htm l You are subscribed as toodamnfunky at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 30 21:22:41 2009 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:22:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, Putting one of these starters on my TR3 was by far the best inprovement Iv'e done. (no more being stuck on the false grid not being able to tell if the starter engaged or not because of the noise from the other cars). Ted has the best ones. Lorne > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:35 -0800 > From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter > > AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the > TR3/TR4. > Anyone ever used one? > > D > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 22:05:07 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:05:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> Message-ID: <00dd01ca89d6$d32e1620$798a4260$@com> A Mini racer friend had the solenoid wire problem last year at Lime Rock. Clearance on this car made it a real time consuming repair. Missed one session on track. If Ted has eliminated that problem I'd contact him! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 06:15:32 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca8a1b$55cf4ec0$016dec40$@net> One other thing to keep in mind if droppng down to 14" rims. Will you still have enough clearance for the brake rotors and calipers? If you have upgraded your brakes, this could be a problem. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:57 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 15" tires Without a doubt Kas. Thats the reason in SCCAs GT classes, there is a weight penalty when going up from 13 to 15 rim sizes. Despite the drawbacks in rotating and unsprung weight, the tires run cooler which allows the use of a softer compound tire. This isnt an issue in classes that require DOT legal tires, since they vary rarely are manufactured with different compounds. It also should be a null point because the cars with 14 wheels have a lighter minimum weight than the TRs, which I think would cancel out any advantage to running a larger diameter tire. I think the issue to eastern/midwest TR racing community is the compound and tread design differences between the two tire sizes. The manufacturers build current treaded DOT-R tires in a 205/55 size which is legal under the vintage organizations rules (205/55 radials have the same overall diameter as a 205/60 bias-ply such as the Street TD), but the same tire model / compound (including the Street TD) are constructed in 205/50 sizes, which are not legal (sidewall is too short). The tires that are constructed in a 15 vintage legal size either have narrower tread widths (Vintage TDs and Bluestreaks- 5.50 tread width) or are too hard, get greasy, and heat cycle out way before the tread is used up (Speedsters and A048s). Oddly enough, all these tires are much more expensive and dont last as long as a modern 205/50/15 treaded R-DOT tire. Here is a handy calculator that shows how the sizes stack up.. http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit I know I might sound like a broken record to some and most of you guys arent racing to win, but its pretty fustrating for everyone involved to watch your car get outbraked, and the passing car leave 3ft of track width open on exit, while your car is dropping wheels just to keep up. Any thoughts? You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 31 06:27:44 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:27:44 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot] Mini Starter - Solenoid Wire Breakage Message-ID: The fix for breaking solenoid wires is to apply silicone from a tube around the wires to keep them from vibrating and fatiguing. This wire breakage has occured with the Gustafson starters. Gustafson is aware of it and suggested the silicon as a preventive measure for units used in competition. I have one with this modification and never had a problem. I also have one of Ted Schumacher's starters and have never experienced a problem with it. I dont know what the differences are as I installed it several years ago and never looked at it again. Maybe Ted can expand on this.... > A Mini racer friend had the solenoid wire problem last year at Lime Rock. > Clearance on this car made it a real time consuming repair. > Missed one session on track. > If Ted has eliminated that problem I'd contact him! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 31 09:42:43 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:42:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > In doing so, I realized that the rear shackle was easy to detach but > the spring won't come off of the front attachment pin. According to > the FOT link below, it's clear that these are a notorious pain. > See link: > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2003-12/msg00177.html I posted the e-mail to which you linked. The pickle-fork-as-a-lever method did indeed work, after I did these two things: 1. I found that the pin was stuck because it was bent. The car must have been in an accident that bent the part of the pin that goes inside the leaf spring, This prevented the pin from moving inward after about 1/2 inch or so. Unfortunately, a little of the bent part was already in the frame bushing. I cut the exposed portion of the pin even with the bushing with a Sawzall to alleviate this problem. 2. I borrowed an oxy-acetylene torch from work. I enlisted a friend to help me. We took turns spraying the pin with Aerokroil, swearing, beating on the pickle fork end with a BFH, swearing, and heating the frame. The pin came out. Good luck with yours and Happy New Year! From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 09:45:38 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <001c01ca8a11$a9ee9b4a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> References: <001c01ca8a11$a9ee9b4a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <468186.19539.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Henry and Friends I have one of the high torque starters on the TR4 - got it from Ted. It has been perfect - will surely get another one for the TVR. I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular starter clone. -They are remanufactured in Texas - USA (claim to be nippon-denso) -gear ration 4:1 instead of 3:1 6 adjustment positions for mounting 8.5 lbs - is this less than the high torque starters we all currently use? anyway - thanks all Dennis From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu Dec 31 11:13:00 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin References: Message-ID: <0B5489C76C5B438296B05C2DCED0CDA6@elliott7455dae> When I restored my 1958 TR3A from 1987 to 1990, I had the body off. I couldn't get these front pins out. This was with 80,300 miles on the TR from new. But there is no problem to remove or replace these springs with the body off. In 2000, I drove my TR3A from Montreal to VTR in Portland Oregon (total mileage 7250 miles) and about 7 miles from home one of my rear springs broke. I limped the rest of the way home. The only way I could remove the springs from this front pin was to un-bolt the body and I jacked up the rear about 8 " so I could slide the original springs off - towards the outside. It was no big deal. So my TR still has these front pins after 52 years. But the flat is still there to ensure that the pin doesn't rotate. If it could, I would have replaced them. Don Elliott, Original Owner 102,000 miles driven since 1990 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FOT" ; "Steven Belfer" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin > Originally the head of the pin had a flat that engaged a similar recess in > the > tube on the frame, keeping it from rotating. > > And yes, they are no fun to change. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Dec 31 10:14:11 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: <1710606693.5655411262279651299.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I can highly recommend Spruell Motorsports - I purchased a new set of Panasports for my 63 Spit in the fall. Great folks to deal with. I needed a little custom machining to clear the Summers Brothers hub flange, the work was perfect and they arrived in less than a week. They were also about $20 less per wheel than Averill, who are also good folks... Just my additional $.02, but, used wheels with unkown histories in an open Spit is living rather dangerously! The confidence you'll have with new wheels will be reflected on-track!!!! Hope this helps! Steve Groh Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering To: fot Sent: 2009-12-30 21:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Thu Dec 31 12:17:47 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:17:47 EST Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter Message-ID: <46f5.5c13d849.386e52db@aol.com> Ted's are the BEST ones...they work great in my 16:1 comp. racer....RICK Kristoff In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:09:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: Henry and Friends I have one of the high torque starters on the TR4 - got it from Ted. It has been perfect - will surely get another one for the TVR. I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular starter clone. -They are remanufactured in Texas - USA (claim to be nippon-denso) -gear ration 4:1 instead of 3:1 6 adjustment positions for mounting 8.5 lbs - is this less than the high torque starters we all currently use? anyway - thanks all Dennis You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Dec 31 13:36:34 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:36:34 EST Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: Gotta back up that recommendation. If buying Panasports these are the only source worth considering. Best price and apparently, best service as well. In a message dated 12/31/2009 12:34:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: I can highly recommend Spruell Motorsports - I purchased a new set of Panasports for my 63 Spit in the fall. Great folks to deal with. I needed a little custom machining to clear the Summers Brothers hub flange, the work was perfect and they arrived in less than a week. They were also about $20 less per wheel than Averill, who are also good folks... Just my additional $.02, but, used wheels with unkown histories in an open Spit is living rather dangerously! The confidence you'll have with new wheels will be reflected on-track!!!! Hope this helps! Steve Groh Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering To: fot Sent: 2009-12-30 21:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Dec 31 16:40:00 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front suspension Message-ID: <4B3D3650.3090100@cfl.rr.com> What is the combination of mounting point bushings or parts (if any) to allow mounting TR4A and later lower control arms to the TR3 frame mount points? thxx, Bob From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Dec 31 22:10:11 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:10:11 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery Message-ID: Lister's, I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4. Obviously I am making the following assumptions: - 1. Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head. Say, on the firewall next to the battery 2. Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type 3. Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap fitted to expansion/recovery tank 4. Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over pressure My questions are: - 1. Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system? 2. Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port? 3. Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system as well? Thanks in advance Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Dec 28 19:52:47 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:52:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps Message-ID: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com> Friends, I am looking for a set of four (or whatever number I can find!) of these specific 50's era CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps. I'd be happy to even get one, at least, to feel like I have a start. If any of you are the type that have hoards of parts laying about, or know someone that does, please take a look around or ask those buddies. This one has been just out of reach for too long. One or two has come up on Ebay, but I haven't managed to snag them. If you have 'em, let me know your price. Just to mention it, I'd also be happy to consider them in trade towards my silicone valve cover gaskets, etc. Just let me know! Link below is photo of cap in case the image didn't come through the e-mail. Thanks. --Justin Wagner http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!Bh0O4pgBGk~$(KGrHqUH-C8EsM(4qTirBLK+yjFDkw~~_12.JPG From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 31 17:21:58 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:21:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads Message-ID: Are these rare? I have one lying around and I'm wondering what to ask for it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 1 03:08:15 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:08:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601ca726e$347348e0$9d59daa0$@com> A good paint polish is working well too on this subject. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Horstkorta Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 02:31 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy Hello: I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the inside and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a terry cloth towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows are virtually as good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked the Internet and Novus has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial interest in this product, just want to pass along the info for a product that worked for me. Gary 69 TR6 62 TR4 You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From gp89 at charter.net Tue Dec 1 03:41:30 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 2:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20091201054130.WX4E7.9555245.root@mp07> Great stuff. I keep a bottle of 1 and 2 in the saddlebag. Gets rid of the clouds left behind when I don't apply the rain x properly. Jeff Senty ---- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic > windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on > their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety > hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, > but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found > in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had > purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to > clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Dec 1 17:15:00 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block Message-ID: Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 17:20:47 2009 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block Message-ID: Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 1 18:22:44 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:22:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block References: Message-ID: What a place to start bringing the old website back to life. I guess thats what infamy is all about. Gee thanks Brad. Bob ps: I know the pictures wont make it through Salt Lake City but I've attached a few pics of what we broke recently for your special pleasure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block > Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our > website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident > occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this > amazing new product. > > Susan took the time to document his efforts and > although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't > here is the new link to it: > > http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ > > Enjoy! > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 007.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 009.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 010.jpg] From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Dec 1 18:48:26 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Ummm ... what size catch tank is used, if at all, with this type vent system ? Curious ... slightly, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph ; Triumphs Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 7:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 1 19:01:08 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:01:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block In-Reply-To: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC410A72C39FE7-C08-109C4@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> for total containment: a hot tub for four people Ummm ... what size catch tank is used, if at all, with this type vent system Curious ... slightly, ob T -----Original Message----- rom: Brad Kahler o: Friends of Triumph ; Triumphs Triumphs at autox.team.net> ent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 7:15 pm ubject: [Fot] Vent-a-block ue to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our ebsite. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident ccur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this mazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and lthough many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't ere is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad ou are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 1 19:16:29 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Custom Trailer for Small Bore Race Cars & Small Collector Cars In-Reply-To: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC410C9805F2A3-C08-10D82@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I engaged a high quality trailer manufacturer to develop an open trailer to my specifications. Objectives: Heavy Duty Light Weight Low Cost Features: Front Fairing EZ Loading Garagable Flat Strap Winch Objectives appear to be mutually exclusive, but it appears that they have been achieved. Base Price will be under $2,000 If anyone has been in search of such a trailer, I have initial pictures and costs are forthcoming. Contact me for pictures and your level of interest. Regards, Joe A From britbits at netzero.com Tue Dec 1 20:17:55 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:17:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <12DA79FF-4702-4ADD-BB9D-7FCCFEDE3B87@bnj.com> References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> <12DA79FF-4702-4ADD-BB9D-7FCCFEDE3B87@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001f01ca72fe$0b2b30c0$e6513542@jrg> Actually, there is a #3. Really abrasive. The Container Store used to carry the Novus polishes. I used 1, 2, and 3 when building custom hi-brite LCD monitors in custom frames. Did ok on the plexiglass. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:22 PM To: Gary Horstkorta Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy No question, best plastic polish I've ever tried. comes in two forms that i know of #1 and #2. #2 has some fine grit to it and removes scratches. Also apparently fills them somehow. Probably a soluble polymer like the old eagle One plastic polish had (it was really good too, but Valveoline changed the formula and now it sux) #1 is more of a cleaner/polish and fills scratches but doesn't buff. Both are magic and great for lexan shields. My helmet visors last 10X longer because of these products. On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" > plastic windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my > TR6 were on their way to being opaque which made driving with the top > up a safety hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic > cleaner & polish, but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of > plastic polish I found in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus > Plastic Polish No. 2. I had purchased this product a few years ago > from the local TAP Plastics store to clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. > > > > Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the > inside and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a > terry cloth towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows > are virtually as good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked > the Internet and Novus > has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial > interest in this product, just want to pass along the info for a > product that worked for > me. > > > > Gary > > > > 69 TR6 > > 62 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=zNlw_DCFaGLLXG-SWrUPZQAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 1 22:22:59 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <012201ca730f$83bd10b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I use a product called Plexus on the plexiglas hoods on Isolettes (infant incubators) at work. Also on my visor and many other things. Works great, but don't inadvertently inhale any fumes. News Flash!!!!: NO snow fell in Erie in November! First time since 1936, I think, that it didn't snow in November in Erie! (Notice I didn't mention October?) Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic > windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on > their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety > hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, > but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found > in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had > purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to > clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. > > > > Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the inside > and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a terry cloth > towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows are virtually as > good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked the Internet and Novus > has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial interest in > this product, just want to pass along the info for a product that worked for > me. > > > > Gary > > > > 69 TR6 > > 62 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 2 06:44:07 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track Message-ID: There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap in Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 2 07:36:55 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:56:14 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:56:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Lots of pictures still coming in. Check out this website, there are many photos of victory circle with thr FOT coat of arms and the race, http://photobyedmund.smugmug.com/Runoffs/EP/09252009-Race-1/9141788_iRsiL#668 605985_LP9GZ Sam > To: s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am > Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > > There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap > n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > http://www.fot-racing.com > > ot at autox.team.net > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 2 13:40:08 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:40:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: References: , <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701A4D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Joe! How the heck did you manage to "sneak" that FOT logo onto the podium?? I pictured a tiny little sticker on the wall behind the drivers. Cripes, I'm guessing the more observant sponsors are wondering how much that unidentified company had to pay for that awesome front-and-center feature. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Halkias Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:56 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track Lots of pictures still coming in. Check out this website, there are many photos of victory circle with thr FOT coat of arms and the race, http://photobyedmund.smugmug.com/Runoffs/EP/09252009-Race-1/9141788_iRsi L#668 605985_LP9GZ Sam > To: s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am > Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > > There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap > n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > http://www.fot-racing.com > > ot at autox.team.net > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slid eid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Dec 2 14:13:19 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Mike Paradise Message-ID: <4B16D86F.10809@pobox.com> Sorry to bomb the list. He's not responding to emails to mikeparadise at comcast.net. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 2 19:24:54 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Message-ID: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 2 19:58:08 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> there is a guy who converts the OEM tachs to electric. he would be listed in the British Motor Trade Association membership website -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Hassall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From GRMTim at aol.com Wed Dec 2 20:47:51 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:51 EST Subject: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: A lot of people had comments and most had positive things to say about our idea. 1. No Spitfire drivers are left out, as they are continuation cars. Hi Tim, Any chance of expanding the years up to at least 1972. Alot of Spit and GT6 drivers will be left out if you cut it off at 1965. Thanks Andy Stark 72 Gt6 72 Spitfire. 2. As for schedule, I thought that was in the original release. The events are SVRA Roebling in April, the Mitty at Road Atlanta, the first weekend in May. Mid Ohio SVRA in June and then HSR Savannah in October. 3. As for adding other events. It is our intent to host a four event series this year which is manageable. Once this has succeeded, we will most likely widen the series and invite other sanctioning bodies to get involved. 4. As for other smaller sanctioning bodies. I heartily agree that everyone does things a little differently and some offer more track time for less money than HSR and SVRA. That said, while we like and respect and write about all sanctioning bodies and will continue to do so, the guys at SVRA and HSR asked me for ideas to make my crowd (you guys) feel more at home at their events again and this small-bore series is what we came up with. Obviously, if you support it, I will have ammo to go to bat next year for more of this type of stuff and an expanded schedule. If you poo poo it, this whole idea will be much more difficult. 5. Someone asked about enduro length. The races will be 40-60 minutes, depending on the event with a mandatory pit stop. JK Jackson and I will use this format to share the TR3. The idea was to make car sharing practical. 6. Any other questions, let me know. I am here night and day. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Dec 2 20:49:21 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Try Nissonger, I understand the conversion to your Tach may cost about $350 (?). I priced up the conversion a couple months ago for my Spit. Check their website, not sure on the spelling, also listed in Hemmings. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: jhassall at blacksburg.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? there is a guy who converts the OEM tachs to electric. he would be listed in the British Motor Trade Association membership website -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Hassall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Dec 2 21:27:27 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:27 EST Subject: [Fot] change of email address Message-ID: I need to get the FOT digest sent to my new email address instead of the old one which I am about to discontinue. The old one is Guyots3 at wmconnect.com The new one is lordleonusa at yahoo.com nothing to do with AOL so MJB should be happier! How do I do this please? Many Thanks Leon Guyot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Thu Dec 3 00:03:55 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B1762DB.4000501@cyberspeedway.net> MO-MA (mother Margaret) in Albuquergue is a Smiths and Jaeger expert repair shop. She covered factory warranty repairs for Leyland. I had her build an electric tach for my TR6 with 0-8000 rpm artwork which looks just like the stock tach. She recalibrates speedos to match your diff ratio and tire size also. MO-MA 1321 2nd st NW Albuquerque, NM 505 766 6661 Greg Lund From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 3 00:27:17 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:27:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] change of email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B176855.2040504@bradakis.com> > I need to get the FOT digest sent to my new email address instead of the > old one which I am about to discontinue. > > The old one is Guyots3 at wmconnect.com > > The new one is lordleonusa at yahoo.com > > nothing to do with AOL so MJB should be happier! > > How do I do this please? > You go to the admin link included in every message. You unsubscribe your old address. You subscribe your new one. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 3 03:48:05 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:48:05 +0100 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000601ca7406$1af01d50$50d057f0$@com> I have implanted a Porsche 944 tach into my TR4 using the stock face and housing. It has up to 8000 rpm and does work fine so far. The stock finger of the TR4 is quite heavy so the tach does wave for a moment after shifting. The face for the 8000 rpm I made with a CD label kit. In AutoCad I made the new numbers and printed it on the CD label, did cut it out and put the sticker onto the face. The cost for this is the Porsche tach (about 50$) and the CD label sticker. Cheap stuff. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 03:25 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 3 07:51:59 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:51:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Jim, I purchased one from Summit Racing, not very expensive if I remember correctly. It dropped right in but I had to machine up a face ring out of delrin, used the ring to clamp it to the dash by tapping two holes in the ring, putting in some threaded rod, sticking the rod through the dash and putting nuts on the back side. It turned out pretty clean if your not a stickler for originality. Next time I go out to the shop I will take some pictures and email them to you since it is out right now for my rebuild. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 07:54:59 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:54:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Folks, > > Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a > perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it > doesn't. APT Instruments (www.gaugeguys.com) will pull your mechanical tach guts an install the guts from a Smiths electric tach for roughly $200. It's not cheap, but it looks right. I did this on my street car andit seems to work okay. If you want to do it yourself, I think the screws holding the tach face to the guts are the same for the big TRs and other British cars that use Smiths tachs, so in theory you can pop the needle off, remove the screws from the face plate and switch the guts. But gaugeguys are pretty good, IMHO. I had mine done maybe 5 years ago. > tia > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Dec 3 07:57:17 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:57:17 EST Subject: [Fot] change of email address Message-ID: In a message dated 12/03/2009 1:43:22 AM Central Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > You go to the admin link included in every message. You unsubscribe > your old address. You subscribe your new one. > While that seems reasonable for us common folk, now that Leon is a 'Lord,' surely one of the surfs should do that for him. Bill (Damdinger) With tongue planted firmly in cheek. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 3 09:03:48 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:03:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] change of email address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091203160348189.CNCE20286@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > How do I do this please? Click on the link at the bottom of every message. At the very bottom of the web page, click the button that says "Unsubscribe or change options". On the next page, fill in your email address & password (or click the "Password reminder" button if you've forgotten your password). Once you've logged in, the configuration page allows you to specify a new email address. Randall From cak at dimebank.com Thu Dec 3 16:28:49 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:28:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> Most gauge shops will do this, including gaugeguys.com. I had mine done locally (at Palo Alto Speedo) ... I *might* have saved enough in shipping to cover their higher price :-) The thing to realize about this conversion is that the electronics are fairly modern - which means that they'd like to have something like reasonably consistent voltage. If your TR4 is still running a generator, you may not like the results. I believe that something like http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm would be a good way to fix that problem, short of the alternator conversion - I'm planning an alternator conversion eventually, so I haven't had a chance to play with one. chris From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 3 18:16:11 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:16:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> References: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <427B5C15C8A44F23980A0850AF27EFD1@jdnet.deere.com> > which means that they'd like > to have something like reasonably consistent voltage. If your > TR4 is still running a generator, you may not like the results. Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. IMO alternators give even higher voltage swings than generators, mostly at high charging currents with the unit cold. And they don't always keep up with the electrical load with the engine idling; so any 'modern' instrument needs to take all that into account. > I believe that something like > > http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm > > would be a good way to fix that problem, Interesting device, but it's maximum input is only 14v, while most alternators will put out 15v on cold start. Not to mention the spikes when a load is suddenly removed (like turning off the headlights). TR2-4 generators can also get into the 15v range, with light loads (no-load voltage is supposed to be set to between 15.6 and 16.1 volts). -- Randall From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Dec 3 21:14:19 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4D23AD79925C4980B574EB94DF7CA8F9@ComputerPC> I'm using a Stewart Warner 5 in. tach that I got from Racer Parts Wholesale. Nisonger is converting our mech. tachs to electronic but its pretty expensive, I understand. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? > Folks, > > Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a > perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if > it doesn't. > > tia > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From cak at dimebank.com Fri Dec 4 14:37:22 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:37:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> > Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! In another car, I've had problems with voltage swings and electronics - a rally computer, something *made for automotive use* would reset itself mid-event, apparently because of voltage issues. The manufacturers realized that this was a problem and sell another box to do "voltage conditioning" :-) Dunno. All in all, a mechanical tach might be a better way to go in our old cars! From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Dec 4 16:23:14 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:23:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] in search of .010" rod bearing shell Message-ID: I had a set of AE Glacier .010" rod bearings for a TR4 moly-coated and one of the shells was damaged by the cooking process. Any chance somebody has a spare lying about or is in need of a partial set? I'd hate to waste the other 7 half shells. They are stamped S6832SA and the box shows B4331SA 010 as a part number. Bob Kramer From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Dec 4 16:54:39 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:54:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <4B19A13F.5000608@blacksburg.net> On 12/4/2009 4:37 PM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. > > My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is that the > tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful measurements but the > little that I did led me to believe that the voltage was likely to drop > *below* the critical voltage of whatever regulator is now inside the > tach shell! > > In another car, I've had problems with voltage swings and electronics - > a rally computer, something *made for automotive use* would reset itself > mid-event, apparently because of voltage issues. The manufacturers > realized that this was a problem and sell another box to do "voltage > conditioning" :-) > > Dunno. All in all, a mechanical tach might be a better way to go in our > old cars! I'm sadly coming to the same conclusion. I thought about designing a voltage conditioner, but decided I've created enough "side projects" with this car :-/ To compound the voltage problem, many of the tachs I've looked at won't work with my Crane ignition, and there's no chance I'll give it up. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 4 18:40:58 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:40:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> > My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is > that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful > measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that > the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage > of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! Very possibly, my point was just that I don't think an alternator conversion is going to fix that; unless your alternator puts out enough at idle to keep up with the maximum load. Even the 60 Amp Ford alternator on my TR3A wouldn't keep up with headlights plus radiator fan, at idle. IOW the problem is not your charging system, it's the tach (assuming that the wiring is sound, etc.). Any "reasonable" car electronic device should work down to at least 10v and up to at least 16v (and withstand pulses much higher than that). (If memory serves, the tractor company I work for insists that our devices work properly from 7 volts to 30 volts, not sure what the impulse rating is.) BTW, Jim, you might look at a MSD tach adapter. One of their units should make almost any tach work with a Crane XR700. -- Randall From jmwagner at greenheart.com Fri Dec 4 20:58:55 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:58:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist Message-ID: <4B19DA7F.5070206@greenheart.com> 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no connection.... --Justin 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 4 23:51:58 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:51:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: actually, a surprising number of automotive devices won't work well at 12 volts. On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Randall wrote: >> My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is >> that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful >> measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that >> the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage >> of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! > > Very possibly, my point was just that I don't think an alternator conversion > is going to fix that; unless your alternator puts out enough at idle to keep > up with the maximum load. Even the 60 Amp Ford alternator on my TR3A > wouldn't keep up with headlights plus radiator fan, at idle. > > IOW the problem is not your charging system, it's the tach (assuming that > the wiring is sound, etc.). Any "reasonable" car electronic device should > work down to at least 10v and up to at least 16v (and withstand pulses much > higher than that). (If memory serves, the tractor company I work for > insists that our devices work properly from 7 volts to 30 volts, not sure > what the impulse rating is.) > > BTW, Jim, you might look at a MSD tach adapter. One of their units should > make almost any tach work with a Crane XR700. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 4 23:52:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:52:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Local Car Collection for sale Message-ID: <4B1A033C.8020105@microworks.net> NFI Looks like a guy (Phil Smid) that both Bill Close and I know is selling his cars. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1494454140.html From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 4 23:54:17 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:54:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The others... Message-ID: <4B1A0399.9090300@microworks.net> Again, NFI http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1494504371.html From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Dec 6 08:20:01 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:20:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us in the Ghetto. Don -----Original Message----- From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend to pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? Bruce Stutzman WPTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ofbracing" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. > > In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit organizers > that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. In > the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given us > lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure there > are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. > > This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming > up > December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and > the > free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday > night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf n' > Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are > invited. Don From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 6 08:34:05 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:34:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist References: <4B19DA7F.5070206@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <2661B693E3344334A52D5D97A8696FB0@latitudefb1e41> If any FOT are looking for TR3/4 con rods contact me. I have many, too many. I don't think I am alone in this:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist >4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no > connection.... --Justin > > 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods > > I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have > any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 6 15:04:07 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:04:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <2661B693E3344334A52D5D97A8696FB0@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000001ca76c0$08af8740$6401a8c0@blake1> Not as many as Bob but I've got some paper weights too. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:34 AM To: Justin Wagner; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist If any FOT are looking for TR3/4 con rods contact me. I have many, too many. I don't think I am alone in this:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist >4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no > connection.... --Justin > > 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods > > I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have > any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Dec 6 18:11:25 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shelby Daytona Coupe Message-ID: <20091207011143.E571D18765C@autox.team.net> Not Triumph but cool auto stuff. The Discovery Channel is running a special about the Shelby Daytona Coupe starting tonight. Check listings if interested. I'm sure there will be some rebroadcast. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 92532 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sun Dec 6 18:45:59 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:45:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Bruce! Are you kidding? Get in? Do you have any idea who you are dealing with here? See you this weekend, Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: ofbracing >Sent: Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM >To: stutzmans at comcast.net, FOT >Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series > >Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us in >the Ghetto. Don > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] >Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM >To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > >We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and >Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend to >pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. >Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? >Bruce Stutzman >WPTA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ofbracing" >To: ; >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > > >> It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. >> >> In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit organizers >> that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. In >> the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given us >> lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure there >> are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. >> >> This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming >> up >> December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and >> the >> free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday >> night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf n' >> Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are >> invited. Don >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun Dec 6 21:09:00 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series In-Reply-To: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BB90F6B976D48E1BB296A1F5156E773@ComputerPC> Mike, The last time I had a pint with you it was Old Engine Oil. I still have the empty bottle on my work bench. What hotel should be book! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jackson" To: "ofbracing" ; ; "FOT" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series > Bruce! Are you kidding? Get in? Do you have any idea who you are > dealing with here? > > See you this weekend, > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- >>From: ofbracing >>Sent: Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM >>To: stutzmans at comcast.net, FOT >>Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series >> >>Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us >>in >>the Ghetto. Don >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] >>Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM >>To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series >> >>We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and >>Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend >>to >>pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. >>Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? >>Bruce Stutzman >>WPTA >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "ofbracing" >>To: ; >>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series >> >> >>> It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. >>> >>> In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit >>> organizers >>> that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. >>> In >>> the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given >>> us >>> lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure >>> there >>> are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. >>> >>> This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming >>> up >>> December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and >>> the >>> free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday >>> night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf >>> n' >>> Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on >>> are >>> invited. Don >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> >> >>You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Dec 7 09:48:38 2009 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover Message-ID: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> I got a new trailer, and the little-used cover I had for my last trailer doesn't fit. It is a 3 layer polypropylene cover designed to go over a 20' x 8.5' enclosed box trailer, just like a big car cover. Made by Adco, new price about $200, zipper flaps on one side (I think it is designed to go over a travel trailer). One little 1" rip in one corner, one of the zippers is a little stiff but works. Clean and grey in color. Free to the first person that offers to pay shipping - if there's more than one of you, a pledge to donate to FOT will break the tie! Or, build a frame out of scrap and you have an instant garage. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 7 12:43:38 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:43:38 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Dec 7 14:40:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AAE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better leverage the donations? I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:44 PM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 7 15:15:43 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:15:43 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/07/2009 3:41:47 PM Central Standard Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to > better leverage the donations? > > I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. > Hi Scott... That's sure OK with me if you want to be the one to hold the funds and do the forwarding, but I was hoping to avoid any 'busy work" for anyone. Burt told me he plans to do this Jack Drews Memorial whether he gets any FOT funds or not, so there isn't going to really be any leverage involved. Past that it's just people deciding whether they want to participate. I've already sent him my contribution. Bill From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Dec 7 17:55:22 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:55:22 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: Thanks Bill. I have already committed to Burt through one of his "Self Promoting" pleas. Ha ha Burt is a good fellow and certainly has my support. Especially if uncle jack is going to be involved. uncle jack did a lot of work on the 63 TR 4 that I now race. Cheers and I hope to see ALL FoT members and racers at next years' Kastner Cup which is being hosted by Heartland Vintage Racing at Heartland Park Topeka 19-20-21-22 August 2010. You can see more details by visiting _http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/_ (http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/) Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO In a message dated 12/7/2009 2:33:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Thin k Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. You are subscribed as gsfuqua1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as gsfuqua1 at aol.com From bswope959 at msn.com Tue Dec 8 13:41:53 2009 From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover In-Reply-To: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> References: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> Message-ID: I could put the cover to good use, I would be glade to pay shipping and is there any thing Elise I could do for you? Bill swope----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover I got a new trailer, and the little-used cover I had for my last trailer doesn't fit. It is a 3 layer polypropylene cover designed to go over a 20' x 8.5' enclosed box trailer, just like a big car cover. Made by Adco, new price about $200, zipper flaps on one side (I think it is designed to go over a travel trailer). One little 1" rip in one corner, one of the zippers is a little stiff but works. Clean and grey in color. Free to the first person that offers to pay shipping - if there's more than one of you, a pledge to donate to FOT will break the tie! Or, build a frame out of scrap and you have an instant garage. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bswope959 at msn.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as bswope959 at msn.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Dec 8 16:31:35 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Does anyone know - Can we just send a donation through Pay-Pal to Burt's "thinkfast at mindspring.com" email address? If so - should be easy to add a note that it's from an FOT member in honor of Uncle Jack. I'd order one of his license plates, but I happen to drive a 1974 AMC Gremlin... ;-) Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 From: "Barr, Scott" Subject: Re: [Fot] For your consideration... To: , Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better leverage the donations? I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. Scott *********************************** From jacqulynmincheff at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 18:04:29 2009 From: jacqulynmincheff at hotmail.com (JACQULYN MINCHEFF) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:04:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I am trying to fulfill a large Xmas wish list for Kids ages 5-14 from the Community Transitional School for the homeless. I was wondering if anyone has connections with any companies that makes coats, toys, shoes etc....I have included the wish list from all the kids. I know it is short notice but they just sent it to me today. I really appreciate any help you guys could offer. You can learn more about them at www.transitionalschool.org Thanks! Jacqulyn Mincheff _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf] From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 8 19:39:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:39:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list References: Message-ID: <902222E111EB4A16AD136519369865E3@Bud> Hi..Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACQULYN MINCHEFF" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list > Hi Everyone, > > I am trying to fulfill a large Xmas wish list for Kids ages 5-14 from the > Community Transitional School for the homeless. I was wondering if anyone > has > connections with any companies that makes coats, toys, shoes etc....I have > included the wish list from all the kids. I know it is short notice but > they > just sent it to me today. I really appreciate any help you guys could > offer. > You can learn more about them at www.transitionalschool.org Thanks! > > Jacqulyn Mincheff > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 > &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U > S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf] > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 8 20:10:57 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Scott Message-ID: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> Sad News...Bill Scott, owner of Summit Point Motorsports Park passed away yesterday morning. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 8 23:29:49 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:29:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR4 Message-ID: <4B1F43DD.30802@microworks.net> Really nice shot of Bob Tullius in the Group 44 TR4 in the West Palm Beach 1967 Gallery. Just an incredible archive of images! Each page brings another treasure From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 06:47:49 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:47:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Scott In-Reply-To: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> References: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What a great place, and I used to see him a few years ago riding around the paddock on his Porsche (?)tractor. I hope it continues in it's present form and doesn't get converted to a country club. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:10 PM, "CHIP COLLINGWOOD" wrote: > Sad News...Bill Scott, owner of Summit Point Motorsports Park passed > away yesterday morning. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 09:11:55 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:11:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series is on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an opportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this in one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill says, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be interested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a group? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a larger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of Old Blue and/or Jack? If you're interested in contributing to a joint effort, please let me know and I'll coordinate it. Burt is calling me this morning to discuss costs and logistics. Scott B. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 9 09:57:24 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC4707D0AA2C11-906C-23AAA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Alexander Racing #197 & #97 is in for something -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of ld Blue and/or Jack? If you're interested in contributing to a joint effort, please let me now and I'll coordinate it. Burt is calling me this morning to discuss osts and logistics. Scott B. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Dec 9 10:04:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race, AutoX and Field Event Photos Message-ID: <4B1FD886.2000703@microworks.net> The FOT Listserv blocked the original email which I referenced in the email about the Group 44 TR4. I'll try again --------------------- Jim Bauder obtain permission from Al Clemens for me to create a Gallery on the DCTRA site for an incredible archive of over 1,200 Vintage Racing, AutoX and Field event photos from the early through mid 60's. Check out the close up candid photos captioned as Phil Hill (although it looks like Sterling Moss to me) and Innes Ireland at Sebring 1963. Plus the upside down MGA in a canal in Palm Beach with Scuba Divers pulling the car out of the water. Straight out of the Sly Stallone stinker "Driven" Cool Go-Kart photos in the Lakeland Autocross gallery Most of the photos are B&W with a few color shots. http://www.dctra.org/?p=689 From billdentin at aol.com Wed Dec 9 11:18:23 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. Bill Dentinger From billb at bnj.com Wed Dec 9 11:42:24 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:42:24 -1000 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration In-Reply-To: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <72477E3F-C37D-4F11-9CC1-3C5E4176F1A0@bnj.com> How cool is that, a Gremster. Do hot swedish babes correspond with you? On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Does anyone know - Can we just send a donation through Pay-Pal to Burt's > "thinkfast at mindspring.com" email address? If so - should be easy to add a > note that it's from an FOT member in honor of Uncle Jack. > > I'd order one of his license plates, but I happen to drive a 1974 AMC > Gremlin... ;-) > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 > From: "Barr, Scott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] For your consideration... > To: , > > Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better > leverage the donations? > > I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. > > Scott > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Dec 9 12:01:58 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:01:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> I'll kick in. Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:18 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series > s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an > pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this > n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill > ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> > Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do > not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a > 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. > <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be > nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a > roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a > arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of > ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> > A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a > wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Dec 9 12:34:49 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kit Car Message-ID: Anyone interested in a kit car? http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/cto/1501592481.html John From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 13:27:33 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:27:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? >> I'm working on that with Burt. I'll be the collection point, if that's necessary (routing checks to Joe to run through the FOT account). Hopefully, there's a simpler way to do it. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:02 PM To: billdentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book I'll kick in. Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:18 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series > s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an > pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this > n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill > ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> > Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do > not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a > 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. > <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be > nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a > roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a > arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of > ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> > A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a > wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 13:32:25 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:32:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. >> [NOT dedicated to Jack, then] Whoops, my bad. Sorry. From: billdentin at aol.com [mailto:billdentin at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:18 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series is on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an opportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this in one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill says, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be interested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a group? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a larger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of Old Blue and/or Jack? >>> A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. Bill Dentinger From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 9 15:07:12 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <189216.35500.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott - count me in - let me know where and when to send a check. Dennis << Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? >> I'm working on that with Burt. I'll be the collection point, if that's necessary (routing checks to Joe to run through the FOT account). Hopefully, there's a simpler way to do it. Scott From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 9 15:39:47 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kit Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B202733.6090408@bradakis.com> Gosh, just what I need right now, another major project! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 9 19:03:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:03:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle Message-ID: <4B2056D5.3040900@bradakis.com> http://wasatchfoodies.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37 mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 19:44:35 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:44:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle References: <4B2056D5.3040900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <31E05E17B3F74875BF73AA174BD3CF74@Bud> Wonderful...thanks Mark!...It could happen to anyone!...Great Christmas Decoration! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle > http://wasatchfoodies.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37 > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Wed Dec 9 23:28:56 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:28:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR6 here in town for sale Message-ID: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> NFI and do not know the owner. Some local TR Members could go look at it for you if interested. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/1502723546.html From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 10 00:35:06 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR6 here in town for sale In-Reply-To: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> References: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> Message-ID: <4B20A4AA.9090804@bradakis.com> Looks nice. Wish I had some money. I could do without the red piping, though. I wonder who the man in Utah might be? mjb. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Dec 10 17:54:00 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Racer for sale Message-ID: Hello all, Prepped and truly turn-key TR4A Vintage Racer seriously for sale. After a few casual months on various race-car sales sites at a much higher price, it's time to get serious about getting it gone. 1965 TR4A SOLID AXLE with O.D. Word of mouth history has it as a SCCA car with a "Group 44 Prepped" connection up thru the early 70's. Resurrected in the 90's with each additional owner adding thousands of dollars but very limited use. And so it goes... Ready to go, limited use in the last year and looking for someone who will. $15,500 OBO/Interesting trade. Large spares package available. Can ship world-wide. Pictures and full specs on request [off list]. I know the car inside and out and can answer most any question. Not to worry anyone - it's not purple. Please spread the word. Don't make me go to E-Bay! PFI [purely financial interest] Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From dave at microworks.net Thu Dec 10 22:21:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Any one notice this car Message-ID: <4B21D6C2.60108@microworks.net> In the archive of Vintage photos that I posted the other day was a unique Corvette shown in the archive titled "courtland-al-race-6209" http://www.dctra.org/?p=689 It looks like a 62 Vette with the exception of the heavily modified nose and the glass bubble top canopy http://www.dctra.org/wp-content/gallery/VintageRacing/Races/Courtland%20AL%20Race%206209/Court%206209%2073.jpg It interested me so I Googled "corvette bubble top" and found a flyer showing the car is the 1960 Show Car. http://www.illustratedcorvetteseries.com/images/ICS_13_1960_XP-700.jpg Searching for XP-700 led me to this write up about this one-off car http://wikicars.org/en/Corvette_XP-700_concept There are some real treasures in this archive of high quality photos. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 11 13:20:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:20:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B04@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hey all, I've spoken with Burt Levy regarding the FOT's participation in an Uncle Jack memorial ad to be inserted in Burt's latest book in the Buddy Palumbo series, The 200mph Steamroller. Burt was already planning to do a small memorial ad - we can participate in that or we can do our own. I'd be inclined to take Burt up on his invitation to participate in what he's already planning to do - that would give us one larger placement, rather than two smaller ones. I've gotten responses from a few of you at this point - thanks! For the rest of you, if you're interested in participating, please let me know in the next few days. Scott From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 11 16:37:38 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:37:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B04@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> For those of you interested in making contributions, you can send checks to my work address: Scott Barr 2401 East Enterprise Avenue Appleton WI 54913-7887 Thanks! Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 (direct) www.mccarty-law.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message may be confidential or privileged. Only the intended recipient may read, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. The law requires this firm to inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication cannot be used for purposes of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. -----Original Message----- From: John Reed [mailto:John.Reed at wilson.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:59 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Let me know where to send the check. John On 12/11/09 2:20 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > Hey all, > > I've spoken with Burt Levy regarding the FOT's participation in an Uncle > Jack memorial ad to be inserted in Burt's latest book in the Buddy > Palumbo series, The 200mph Steamroller. > > Burt was already planning to do a small memorial ad - we can participate > in that or we can do our own. I'd be inclined to take Burt up on his > invitation to participate in what he's already planning to do - that > would give us one larger placement, rather than two smaller ones. > > I've gotten responses from a few of you at this point - thanks! For > the rest of you, if you're interested in participating, please let me > know in the next few days. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From earthron at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 17:03:50 2009 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Help Needed Message-ID: <377540.20192.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is an email I recived from VARA concernig the proposed new track NE of Los Angeles. --- On Fri, 12/11/09, vara at rrevs.net wrote: > From: vara at rrevs.net > Subject: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Help Needed > To: earthron at yahoo.com > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:42 PM > December 7, 2009 > > Dear Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Supporters, > > Thank you all very much for your continued support of > FBMP. We are nearing the home stretch for L.A. county > approval of the project and hoping we can count on your > support once again. > > As you may recall from my letter in September, we were > very encouraged at the first hearing by the County Planning > Commission's staff recommendation of the project for > approval. We were then scheduled for our second public > hearing on December 2, but it was recently postponed and the > location changed by the county. The new date is this > Saturday February 6 at 11:00 a.m. in the Lancaster Regional > Public Library, 601 W. Lancaster Blvd., Lancaster, Calif. > Please plan to attend the hearing if you can. > > As you may have guessed, opponents asked for a change of > venue that they hope will benefit their cause. As with the > first hearing, interested persons can attend and will have > an opportunity to testify. We had a great turnout of > supporters last September in Los Angeles but with the second > hearing relocated to Lancaster, your support is even more > important. We hope you can join us. > > Many of you have called asking 'what can we do?' > We need more letters of support! > > The county is again accepting letters as part of its > consideration of the project. Opposition groups have > organized their own letter writing campaign and have sent > over 100 letters since the first hearing. If you did not > send a letter of support prior to the first hearing, you > have another chance to be heard. Letters should be > addressed to Mr. Jodie Sackett, Los Angeles County, > Department of Regional Planning, Room 1382, 320 West Temple > St., Los Angeles, CA 90012. Alternatively, you can e-mail > Jodie: jsackett at planning.lacounty.gov > with a copy to us. > > You can also send your support comments directly to Los > Angeles County Fifth District Supervisor Mike Antonovich via > e-mail at: FifthDistrict at lacbos.org. > If you do, please make sure to copy Jodie Sackett. > > If you would like to read about the project in detail > and view updates, all of the official documents (including > the Draft Environmental Impact Report) can be viewed on the > county's Web site: Click > Here > > Also, our own website is nearly complete; it will be the > go-to resource for the most current information about the > project. We will send out an announcement as soon as it is > ready. > > We have been working for seven years toward the dream of > creating the first new dedicated road racing facility in the > L.A. area in over fifty years. We're closer to approval > than ever, but not there yet. If you too want to see > Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park become a reality, please let > your voice be heard! > > Thank you again for your support. > > Respectfully, > > Thomas E. Malloy From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 11 20:19:06 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:19:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sigh Message-ID: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 11 20:24:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer Message-ID: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> FOT Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed trailer. So..... I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my specifications. I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and hobbyists. If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are featured alond with some of my other stuff. I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME COMMERCIAL CONTENT) Joe Alexander From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 21:24:32 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:24:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FA236DDD5D-63A8-8AA8@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Happy Birthday to you Mark, Thanks for all your hard work. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 11 21:31:46 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:31:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated... Joe A 13 candles, eh? seems like just yesterday -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 9:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 21:43:26 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FCC72BAE9E-63A8-8D5C@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Happy Birthday to you Mark, Thanks for all your hard work. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 11 21:44:23 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:44:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Very nice Joe, I've been thinking about something very similar. How much? On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed > trailer. So..... > > I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single > axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my > specifications. > > I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently > unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and > hobbyists. > > If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of > the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are > featured alond with some of my other stuff. > > I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. > I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is > interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. > Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? > > Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME > COMMERCIAL CONTENT) > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 11 22:11:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:11:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B2325E5.3020609@bradakis.com> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > 13 candles, eh? seems like just yesterday Yes indeed, 13 lucky years. I had intended to send off a nice, happy message to note the occasion, but made the mistake of going through some Team.Net admin mail and found the note from Joe's widow about the datsun-roadster list. So it goes. I've got some Asleep at the Wheel playing, they always cheer me up. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Dec 12 09:58:00 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68C3DDC86A4F433192EDCDB107A3C173@KasPC> If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car company watch this. Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/liverpool/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8 401000/8401200.stm From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 15:35:43 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Where is this site to view trailers? Help, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer Very nice Joe, I've been thinking about something very similar. How much? On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed > trailer. So..... > > I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single > axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my > specifications. > > I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently > unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and > hobbyists. > > If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of > the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are > featured alond with some of my other stuff. > > I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. > I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is > interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. > Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? > > Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME > COMMERCIAL CONTENT) > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 12 15:39:06 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:39:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: <68C3DDC86A4F433192EDCDB107A3C173@KasPC> Message-ID: <92.13.01458.A8B142B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car > company watch this. Interesting stuff, thanks Kas. For those who had trouble with the link, this might work better: http://tinyurl.com/ygxana6 I particularly liked the comment about how the workers hate the managers because they used to hire workers who would work for less money. Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sat Dec 12 17:03:26 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:03:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > Where is this site to view trailers? > > Go to http://photobucket.com/ambro and there are some pics on page 2. mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Dec 12 17:27:13 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:27:13 EST Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke Message-ID: I have a fascinating book called "The Pride And The Fall" by Correlli Barnett. Subtitled "the dreams and illusion of Britain as a great nation". In it he breaks down the major industries and where they failed. The single thing I remember most were the shipbuilders during World War Two. Whilst America was building Victory ships at one a day to send over ...They were on STRIKE !!!!!!!! Why? They wanted extra pay for training the newbies in the yards. We never freakin learn and humans never change. In a message dated 12/12/2009 3:24:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car > company watch this. Interesting stuff, thanks Kas. For those who had trouble with the link, this might work better: http://tinyurl.com/ygxana6 I particularly liked the comment about how the workers hate the managers because they used to hire workers who would work for less money. Randall You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Dec 12 18:24:03 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com><8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC49AA174AA11F-6380-31A25@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I did more snow blowing today so I can position the trailer for loading my TR3A tomorrow. Then I should have more pictures. I am also working on a new design for securing the car to the trailer. I hate messing with straps and hooks. Fast and safe, if it works. It would be universal to most all trailers... Later.... -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > Where is this site to view trailers? > > Go to http://photobucket.com/ambro and there are some pics on page 2. mjb. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Dec 12 19:41:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:41:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71551985-14EE-4C00-8886-A5CDD404CCAA@comcast.net> all true, and I am sure worker issues contributed tremendously, but I have to side with the worker who blamed the product. In 1970 through 1973, Datsun sold 116,000 240Zs. By 1980, Datsun had sold over 500,000 Zs. Compare a 139 HP 260Z (6 cyl ) in 1975 to a 100 HP Triumph. Triumph sold 112,000 TR7s from 1975 through 1981. By the time Triumph introduced this car, Datsun had been at it with a better car for five years. I believe if there had been a better mousetrap, Triumph could have sold more, in spite of the quality issues. They tried to imitate rather than innovate. BTW, there's a great website called www.conceptcarz.com that has info on seemingly every car ever made. From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Dec 13 20:41:37 2009 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1C.37.29161.7F3B52B4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> At 10:19 PM 12/11/2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the >very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this >list what it has become. > >Happy Birthday to us. Wow, that's a shocker. I had no idea that it had been that long since Joe and I sat in the motorhome at Mid-Ohio and talked about all this. It is amazing what it has become! Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Dec 14 09:29:10 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] '65 Targa, no TR content Message-ID: <20091214.092911.3912.11.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Got 40 minutes? Old footage is great http://jalopnik.com/5146783/say-goodbye-to-workplace-productivity-the-196 5-targa-florio-endurance-race Bill ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=wfJyFRNFFBzgDrO9eae7fQAAJ1CU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 09:44:32 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:44:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Slight interupption Message-ID: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 10:43:51 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Hi Mark, I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually connected during operation? Any thoughts? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 11:21:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM To: 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup Hi Mark, I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually connected during operation? Any thoughts? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Dec 14 11:46:52 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> For a mear 5 thousand dollars you can buy a Generac home standby system that will start on it's own. No need to climb out of the sack in the middle of the night. On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered > generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes > over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM > To: 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup > > Hi Mark, > > I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a > gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. > > Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. > > Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually > connected during operation? > > Any thoughts? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > -----Original Message----- > > We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours > overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for > THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. > > Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. > > mjb. > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Dec 14 11:49:24 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> If it was me, I'd use that generator to run my fridge and heat, and let Team.net shut down for a few hours. Got to keep the beer cold and the body warm and the garage from freezing. Our cars were built before the internet and most of us were too, and I do not want Mark waking up because I feel the need to send emails in the middle of the night. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 11:55:11 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <4B268A0F.9070007@bradakis.com> > Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > In truth, if I had not mentioned the 7 - 8 hours the servers were down, would any of you have actually noticed? Management would have to give me a pretty hefty raise to get me out of bed in the middle of the night to keep FOT mail from being delayed a few hours ;-) Of course, I usually go to bed in the middle of the night, in the 3 - 4 am range. Old habits die hard. Actually I can afford a better UPS, just not the $1100 power cords I should buy! [ This from a thread on the shop talk list. Interesting link, Chris ] mjb. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Thu Dec 17 12:06:23 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor Message-ID: Hello every one I am hoping some one can help with a circuit that I would like to make. I picked up a junk yard throttle body sensor and it attaches nicely to the Webber throttle shaft Currently it drives a cheapo 0 to 15 volt meter and is placed so the video camera can show real time throttle position but the sun light washes out the dial and its useless. a sequential LED display with 5 or 6 lights would work well for the camera BUT I have no clue on how to build it thanks rob From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 14 12:11:13 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:11:13 EST Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/2009 12:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered > generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes > over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of > alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the > hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > A few years back, here in Brookfield, Wisconsin we went through a period where our power was going out what seemed like constantly. I started keeping my racing paddock generator in the garage to supply power to a couple of critical outlets (refrigerator, etc.). I didn't, but several neighbors had so-called 'back-feed' outlets installed in their garage, which allowed them to feed power from their generators. It worked really slick, and I thought hard about doing it as well, but did not. It worked out OK for me, as the problem ceased. It has not happened (for more than a minute or two) any time since. Not a problem since. I guess it's the old, "Buy and umbrella and it won't rain." Rule. Actually, I think American Transmission (the big local power provider company) completed a new substation, which brought more power to the community. Bill Dentinger From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 12:34:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:34:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com><007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> Message-ID: <59B5E761058A40889B96719CA545E6B3@jdnet.deere.com> > I do not want Mark waking up because I > feel the need to send emails in the middle of the night. Amen! -- Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 12:58:26 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:58:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <203C6A07C64C453886867B8F2CCCBD42@jdnet.deere.com> Rob, The National LM3914 (or equivalent) looks like a good start, as it will work directly from 12v and directly drive up to 10 discrete LEDs (or an LED bar graph). I've attached a circuit for a cheapo O2 meter (basically a bar graph using a 0-1.25v input). For your 0-15v circuit, you would probably want to use a precision divider on the input, say 2:1 to get 0-7.5v; and then put a divider on the LM3914's voltage reference to bring it up to 7.5v. The complete data sheet at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM3914.pdf Shows how to adjust the reference voltage (page 8). There are also some good notes in there about how to keep the LED current from messing up your measurement (due to voltage drop on the ground side). A quick Google shows the LM3914 available for as little as $1.50 http://tinyurl.com/yd9bwtj Lots of LED displays available, of course. Here's one at Digi-Key that looks suitable, for $1.05. http://tinyurl.com/y8ucvww All this assumes you want to "roll yer own"; no doubt there are commercial solutions available as well. -- Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of lm3914 O2 meter.gif] From bownes at seiri.com Mon Dec 14 13:00:31 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:00:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google LED bargraph voltmeter. Or just hook it up to a digital voltmeter. :) On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > Hello every one I am hoping some one can help with a circuit that I > would > like to make. > I picked up a junk yard throttle body sensor and it attaches nicely to the > Webber throttle shaft Currently it drives a cheapo 0 to 15 volt meter > and > is placed so the video camera can show real time throttle position but the > sun light washes out the dial and its useless. > a sequential LED display with 5 or 6 lights would work well for the > camera > BUT I have no clue on how to build it thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 13:15:51 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:15:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <3A0527E2B15547359C5E2D4A57FB7DF9@jdnet.deere.com> > I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car > batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 > VA) to extend the time. There are definitely UPS units available that are designed for use with external batteries. We had one at a former job that would keep the PC-based phone system up for 8 hours, totally unattended; and as I recall it could have more batteries for up to 24 hours runtime. Even had a feature to call for help (assuming the external phone lines still worked) when the battery voltage started to drop. But it looks to me like you could open up any cheap UPS and wire it to wet lead-acid cells instead of gel cells. Might have to adjust the charger a bit to keep them charged, but fundamentally it should work. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 13:32:23 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> Message-ID: The operative word here is "Mere". (And for once I can point out a spelling error of someone else! :) JOe -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr at charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:47 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup For a mear 5 thousand dollars you can buy a Generac home standby system that will start on it's own. No need to climb out of the sack in the middle of the night. On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Joe Curry wrote: From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 13:35:00 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 Message-ID: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. Thanks Mike Mehl From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 13:36:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is pretty much what I was doing when I lived up in WA. We were out in the boonies and were the last ones on the grid to get power back when the Northwest's famous winds would blow down the trees and power lines. It took only one episode of losing everything in the freezer to convince me that a generator was a small investment that was well spent. Joe C. _____ From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:11 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; cwnfot at gmail.com; mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup A few years back, here in Brookfield, Wisconsin we went through a period where our power was going out what seemed like constantly. I started keeping my racing paddock generator in the garage to supply power to a couple of critical outlets (refrigerator, etc.). I didn't, but several neighbors had so-called 'back-feed' outlets installed in their garage, which allowed them to feed power from their generators. It worked really slick, and I thought hard about doing it as well, but did not. It worked out OK for me, as the problem ceased. It has not happened (for more than a minute or two) any time since. Not a problem since. I guess it's the old, "Buy and umbrella and it won't rain." Rule. Actually, I think American Transmission (the big local power provider company) completed a new substation, which brought more power to the community. Bill Dentinger From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 14:05:22 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B26A892.8030400@bradakis.com> Oddly enough I just got back from a job interview. First one in four years. I'm out of practice. but I think it went okay. The company, Ceramatec, is mostly an R & D type place and the group with whom I interviewed is mostly focused on sodium and lithium batteries. They could relate to the power outage and UPS story from this morning. mjb. From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Dec 14 15:18:38 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Message-ID: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Dec 14 16:45:15 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 14 18:14:21 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:14:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: <3F460C1E4874455C840A31925EA46A7D@Bud> Great job Jack!.... Racer Bud...San Francisco Bay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Jeff Snook" ; Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great > stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeff Snook" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > > >> Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our >> member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. >> >> >> >> Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! >> >> >> >> http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html >> >> >> >> If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. >> >> >> >> Jeff Snook >> >> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 14 18:26:23 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> like playing chess with one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet? congratulations, Jack! -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mpendy at dishmail.net Mon Dec 14 19:37:40 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:37:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com><007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com><095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> <4B26A892.8030400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3400DB609B6349228B80CB378CF42224@Pendys> FoTer's; Now your skateing on my ice, one very important thing to remember in regards to a generator is wheather or not it has a voltage regulator. The voltage regulator ( as most already know) keeps the voltage stable no matter the RPM of the engine, the more load you put on it the slower it turns thus the voltage and frequency drop, this situation will kill any sensitive equip.ie; televisions, COMPUTERS, microwaves etc: Ever wonder why a honda / yamaha genset costs three times as much as a comparable wattage genset you will find at a lumberyard or similar place ? A fellow in town bought a lesser quality unit last year and planted it in the middle outside of his home and two rentals, well he got to buy and or replace three of the above mentioned at EACH home......Side note....a typical FULLY automatic 12kw to 17kw system on an average installation will run you between 4800.00 and 6800.00 complete, labor and materials...how do i know? Mark Pendy #65 tr4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup > Oddly enough I just got back from a job interview. First one > in four years. I'm out of practice. but I think it went okay. > > The company, Ceramatec, is mostly an R & D type place and > the group with whom I interviewed is mostly focused on > sodium and lithium batteries. They could relate to the power > outage and UPS story from this morning. > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 19:53:03 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (mike.mehl at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <25759837.100979.1260845583259.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more
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References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <20091215034512.6E8C6187869@autox.team.net> Here's how to do this: http://revision3.com/systm/hackedups 24 minute episode - Tony Drews At 11:43 AM 12/14/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Hi Mark, > >I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a >gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. > >Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. > >Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually >connected during operation? > >Any thoughts? > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." > > >-----Original Message----- > >We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours >overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for >THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. > >Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. > >mjb. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Dec 15 01:40:02 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:40:02 EST Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer Message-ID: I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. I believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. I would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new set of Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction so I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or sacrifice my dog? Thanks & Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Dec 15 05:58:32 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 In-Reply-To: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B2787F8.2010807@blacksburg.net> On 12/14/2009 3:35 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more > standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. > > Thanks > > Mike > Mehl Mike, I can't help with a source, but the one I bought from Jack Drews was from an MGB. I think he mentioned it was from a 5 main engine. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 15 06:32:06 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer References: Message-ID: <02e601ca7d8a$ffb87d00$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Gary, I looked at some wheels called ROTA, made in the Philippines, for my rain tires. They looked decent; around $500/set. They're on e-bay sometimes. If you call the company in California, they are a little hard to understand, accent and all, but seemed very helpful. The wheels do come in different colors. The company said that if I wanted a set, they would ship one to try, and if I didn't like them or they didn't fit, send it back; cheaper than shipping back 4. Anyone had experience with these wheels or company? No financial interest. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:40 AM Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer > I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels > for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. I > believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not > sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. I > would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have > another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new set of > Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction so > I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or > sacrifice my dog? > > Thanks & Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 06:39:38 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:39:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer References: Message-ID: Gary, I got mine from these guys, I think at 180 a pop in Charcoal. They weigh a little more than Panasports and have a 3.58" backspace. Grinding a little off the corners of the TR6 style upper a-arms may be required (SOP for TR's it seems). http://www.vtoperformance.com/index.html Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 AM Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer > I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels > for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. > I > believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not > sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. > I > would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have > another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new > set of > Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction > so > I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or > sacrifice my dog? > > Thanks & Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 07:42:41 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002301ca7d94$db202830$91607890$@net> Nice job from one rager to another Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:26 PM To: kaskas at cox.net; jsnook at wcnet.org; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle like playing chess with one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet? congratulations, Jack! -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 08:12:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B27A76C.6050503@microworks.net> I think Bill Close (On the list) just got setup with these guys as a dealer. Bob Kramer wrote: > Gary, > > I got mine from these guys, I think at 180 a pop in Charcoal. They > weigh a little more than Panasports and have a 3.58" backspace. > Grinding a little off the corners of the TR6 style upper a-arms may be > required (SOP for TR's it seems). > > http://www.vtoperformance.com/index.html > > Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 15 08:44:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? Don't forget to use ear protection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUsrNIKzFo Cheers Chris From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 15 09:15:23 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! - Tony At 09:44 AM 12/15/2009, MadMarx wrote: >...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? > >Don't forget to use ear protection: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUsrNIKzFo > > >Cheers >Chris From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 10:03:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:03:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 10:25:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> Message-ID: Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 10:54:27 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> Message-ID: <4B27CD53.2050807@microworks.net> She does not have any problem with me racing or even our Son running Shifter karts. She just can't be in the car with a helmet on. If I could take her on track like Ricardo took his wife (sans Helmet) she would probably go. Of course try to find a sanction that would let you go on track at speed without a helmet - even in a non-competition Street session. Scott Janzen wrote: > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Dec 15 10:55:25 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517A85C2604@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> The first time my wife was in my car was the re-enactment event at Watkins Glen where they take you on the original old track, the first thing the guy says is once you get in is you can't get out, we weren't going fast, just trying to keep up with Henry Frye with my wife shouting at me to slow down, "I want to get out"! I had to remind her of what the announcer said...she hasn't been back into the car since ! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:03 PM To: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony You are subscribed as deanesr at uncw.edu http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Dec 15 11:19:55 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two laps. Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps then fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 15 11:51:20 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:51:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> > She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. mjb. PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on the "track" without a helmet. From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Dec 15 12:31:30 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:31:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <938300324866b78a4a951f6f3a2e661a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Heh, I used to do that, too. To me, that's one of the differences between (good) autocrosses and track time. It sounds strange, but there is so much more time on track that I can "relax" but everything happens so fast in an autocross that I would forget to breathe, just like mjb. John On Tue, December 15, 2009 1:51 pm, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > mjb. > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > the "track" without a helmet. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rjl at gt-classics.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Dec 15 12:38:36 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:38:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <65f6.c696f99.38593fbc@aol.com> Many years ago, late 80's, I started chatting to an old woman during an autocross event. She had come across the parking lot with her walker to watch the show. When she commented how much she missed driving and fast cars I offered to take her for a ride in the GT6 during the afternoon fun-runs if she came back. Would you believe she not only came back but strapped in and grinned the entire run without a peep. I was really impressed with her when it was over. Hope I'm still that game when I'm her age. In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:19:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. mjb. PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on the "track" without a helmet. You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:10:50 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:10:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: Took Evelyn's TR8 to the TRA meet this year. Part of it was some track time at Summit Point. As the group of 50 or so cars headed out on track I pulled off to let everybody go ahead so I could fall back and give er heck and have some fun. Some more mature gentleman in a Mazda sport ute of some sort motioned me in front so I could be with the rest of the Triumphs. I pulled over and told him what my intentions were so he did not think I was having car trouble when I slowed down on track. He smiled devilishly and remarked he would try to not run me over. So off we go with me having a blast with a TR8 on skinny street tires with Evelyn screaming for me to slow down (I wasn't going all that fast) all the while this older gentleman is right on my bumper. Later in the day we get back to the host hotel and that guy came up to me in the parking lot and said "hey that was fun wasn't it". Turns out it was Robert Johns, one of the factory drivers in the day. I did not find out who it was until after the event. How cool was that! Marty _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:18:51 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (victory Lane photos) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:18:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> References: , <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: `Reminds me of my very first autocross in my TR4 once it was back on the road. When I pulled up into the stall after my first run, I thought I was having a heart attack... I had just forgotten to breathe for about 2 minutes! Funny thing that oxygen stuff... guess we sort of need it (heh). Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: walt at hot-tr6.com > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because > she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two laps. > Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps then > fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. > Walt Hollowell > Abq., NM > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just > putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely > made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. > > This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick > is good too. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A > > Tony Drews wrote: > > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > > > - Tony > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 15 13:40:26 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:40:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The whole not breathing thing works great on the autocross track...Just don't try it on the race track! I usually end up talking my way through the course. It helps me to remember to breathe regularly. And it sounds good on the video. :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM, victory Lane photos wrote: > `Reminds me of my very first autocross in my TR4 once it was back on the > road. > When I pulled up into the stall after my first run, I thought I was having > a > heart attack... I had just forgotten to breathe for about 2 minutes! > > Funny thing that oxygen stuff... guess we sort of need it (heh). > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > > > From: walt at hot-tr6.com > > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > > > I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because > > she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two > laps. > > Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps > then > > fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. > > Walt Hollowell > > Abq., NM > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM > > Cc: Fot > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > > > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > > My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick > just > > putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. > Barely > > made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. > > > > This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting > sick > > is good too. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A > > > > Tony Drews wrote: > > > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > > > > > - Tony > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Dec 15 14:33:07 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:33:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B49@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I usually end up talking my way through the course... it sounds good on the video.>> I do that, too, but some of what I'm saying isn't something I'd like people to hear on the video... I somewhere acquired the habit of taking a slow, deep breath IN at all the points of a track which are in any way scary - where you're sort of hanging out there for a second, wondering whether (a) the car is going to stick and turn or (b) you're going to visit the woods. Dunno where that came from, but it seems to help. Scott From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 15:49:39 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:49:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu Gran Prix course. I realized that I was forgetting to breath but found it hard to correct. Didn't seem to improve the lap times one way or the other. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert bownes" > To: "victory Lane photos" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > >> The whole not breathing thing works great on the autocross track...Just >> don't try it on the race track! >> >> I usually end up talking my way through the course. It helps me to >> remember >> to breathe regularly. And it sounds good on the video. :) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 15 16:41:57 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: > We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu > Gran Prix course. That sounds like a hoot! How on earth did you talk them into allowing a TR on the track? -- Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 16:48:32 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:48:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <853667EC602C4C87982260E7E690E66A@latitudefb1e41> That would have been something............ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... >> We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu >> Gran Prix course. > > That sounds like a hoot! How on earth did you talk them into allowing a > TR > on the track? > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 19:27:56 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tracktime at Bluegrass Motorsports Park In-Reply-To: <366850.11918.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <366850.11918.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case your interested. Marty For those of you that do NOT visit the 6-PACK Website regularly, I've an announcement: The TRistate TRiumphs would like to invite you to visit the 2010 6-PACK TRials website: http://triumphtrials.jimdo.com/ We've been hammering details of various things such as Welcome BBQ and the TRack (Bluegrass Motorsports Park) Q&As. Of course we can't forget the SHOW on and Banquet on Saturday! We're also offering embroidered shirts, hats, and fleece jackets. So, when you get a chance, please visit the site & let us know what you think. Sign up if you like! We know we have a few things to fix, but we welcome feedback. There are a limited amount of slots at the TRack so if you want to drive fast without the risk of getting a ticket, please sign up soon. If you'd like to sponsor the TRack event, please write me off list Also, would someone please pass this on to the FOT list as I'm not a member Cheers, Todd Bermudez 2010 6-PACK TRials Committee _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Dec 15 19:54:29 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 In-Reply-To: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801ca7dfb$16e79720$44b6c560$@com> I believe Ken Gilanders at British Frame and Engine has a "kit" with the narrow pulleys for the water pump and harmonic balancer. I'd recommend the Moss water pump with the 1/2 inch shaft (with 1.25 mm pitch!!) thread rather than the 5/16 threaded end. The 5/16 threaded end is known to break off, at least ours did. BTW, the Denso alternator as used on older RX-7's is a "compact" alternator that can be run as a single wire and seems to work well. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:35 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. Thanks Mike Mehl You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 15 19:56:16 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tis the season Message-ID: <4B284C50.7080009@bradakis.com> For those of you who enjoy Christmas tunes: http://bradakis.com/merryxmas.swf mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Dec 15 19:57:12 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:57:12 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> I do the same thing surfing. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't hold my breath longer when I'm getting worked, I'd be out of air in no time, even though I can hold my breath for almost two minutes. Turns out I hold my breath from the time time I get into a wave until I turn out--got to work on that. Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a couple of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > mjb. > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > the "track" without a helmet. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 15 21:06:50 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> Message-ID: I knew there was a reason I raced a formula car...Which meant I had to send her to driver's school instead of going for a ride.:) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I do the same thing surfing. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't hold my > breath longer when I'm getting worked, I'd be out of air in no time, even > though I can hold my breath for almost two minutes. Turns out I hold my > breath > from the time time I get into a wave until I turn out--got to work on that. > > Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a > couple > of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were > the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the > roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of > yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let > out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > > > mjb. > > > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > > the "track" without a helmet. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From britbits at netzero.com Tue Dec 15 21:25:34 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:25:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net><4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000801ca7e07$d0913ad0$0513193f@jrg> Hmmm... I had one girlfriend tell me after a spirited autocross run that she finally a) understood and b) trusted my street driving style. And my wife is used to more chaotic traffic driving than I am, so I suspect that an on track session wouldn't phase her. Except if I denied her a chance to drive. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:57 PM To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a couple of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xTzI0TDGhstvlKiUMQz3jQAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 16 02:22:53 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> I have taken several people over the Nordschleife in my Triumph and all of them got out a little pale. One said voiceless - : You are nuts. Cheers Chris From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 16 04:35:04 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> Message-ID: <775507.10178.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I took another corner work for a ride once at Waterford Hills, Michigan. He climbed in, fastened the seat belt and told me I could go as fast as I wanted. I had a whole lap of open track. He held on for dear life and couldn't get out of the car as fast as he wanted to. I think there are still finger impressions on the crash pad. I took my wife for a ride there a few years ago. She didn't mind too much, but we didn't have that much clear track. When I used to autocross, I'd find myself shaking at the end of a good run. The adrenalin was really pumping. Took me a while to figure out what was causing it. Doug ________________________________ From: MadMarx To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 4:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... I have taken several people over the Nordschleife in my Triumph and all of them got out a little pale. One said voiceless - : You are nuts. Cheers Chris You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Dec 16 09:18:47 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:18:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the need of a left hand & Right hand Steering racks from a spitfire. Thank you Tony Garmey 425 413 0785 206 612 1782 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Dec 16 09:23:34 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:23:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack References: Message-ID: <32D6081E0F894DEB955E8F74554E001F@Charly> Tony. I might have the LHD steering rack. I look later Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack > Hi All, > > I'm in the need of a left hand & Right hand Steering racks from a > spitfire. > > > > Thank you > > > > Tony Garmey > > 425 413 0785 > > 206 612 1782 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Dec 16 09:28:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:28:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: Amici... Boy! All this talk about holding your breath to improve performance...I'm going to have to get some mouth wash. Bill (Damdinger) From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 09:34:38 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue Message-ID: The GT6 had a low frequency vibration at Summit Point over Thanksgiving, but only flat out on the main straight (above 110 mph/ 6000 rpm +). It did not feel like it was isolated to any one corner, though I could be wrong about that. No issues up to 7000 rpm in other gears. Could this be the driveshaft, or just a mild tire out of balance that is only evident at high speed? From triosan at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:08:32 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:08:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Talk about trouble breathing.... Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912160908nc80a361xfa8bb10ba4c54220@mail.gmail.com> Well I practice not breathing a couple of weeks ago--involuntary. Threw a massive Deep Vein Thrombosis [blood clot in leg] into my lungs. Passed out on my feet. 911 by wife, EMT, emergency ride, ICU for three days. Had an appointment with pulmonary doc yesterday. We reviewed the CAT scan from the incident. 100% occlusion of right pulmonary artery, 90% of left. Another 5% and I would not be here to right this. Am fine now, except have to take rat poison [coumadin] for the next year to keep the blood thin. Anybody out there race in this condition? -- I sure intend to. Do not recommend this as a breathing test!!! Chuck On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:28 AM, wrote: > Amici... > > Boy! All this talk about holding your breath to improve performance...I'm > going to have to get some mouth wash. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Dec 16 10:34:33 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As it doesn't seem coupled to RPM alone I'd have a real careful look at the driveline. Are you running metalastic joints on the axles? Terry Stetler From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 11:50:31 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F5896D2-ECF9-45C4-B00E-C9384A4FC085@comcast.net> the axles are sliding halfshafts with Spicer u-joints, which have only seen a season's worth of use. I'll report back on what I find. On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: As it doesn't seem coupled to RPM alone I'd have a real careful look at the driveline. Are you running metalastic joints on the axles? Terry Stetler Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 16 13:40:16 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Have you ever... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: > ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? No, but I rode as a passenger. I caught a ride in my buddy's Sprite during crew rides at a vintage race at Summit Point years ago. I sat on the fire extinguisher and foolishly tried to video the ride for posterity. There was no windshield on my side and the wind going down the straight was so strong that I couldn't hold the camera steady. I shot sky, trees, and floorboards, but little track. I gave up and put the camera down. That allowed me to hold on for dear life with two hands anyway. Then he overcooked Wagon Bend and we went off to the outside. Luckily, we got back on the track without help. I broke the fire extinguisher mount. I also cracked the viewfinder on the camera. Man, was it fun! From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 14:22:15 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:22:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Have you ever... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: I still remember one of those lunchtime rides at Summit in a Porsche 911 variant - $20 for charity. At least the Porsche had a seat and a windshield. For the first time I realized that in racing you were either hard on the gas or hard on the brakes, but not much in between. I signed up for 3 day formula dodge driver's school with Skip Barber shortly after that (worked for a company in some good years in the '90s where driver's "school" was considered an educational event and they paid for most of it). What a hoot! I've been hooked ever since. On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:40 PM, John Herrera wrote: > ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? No, but I rode as a passenger. I caught a ride in my buddy's Sprite during crew rides at a vintage race at Summit Point years ago. I sat on the fire extinguisher and foolishly tried to video the ride for posterity. There was no windshield on my side and the wind going down the straight was so strong that I couldn't hold the camera steady. I shot sky, trees, and floorboards, but little track. I gave up and put the camera down. That allowed me to hold on for dear life with two hands anyway. Then he overcooked Wagon Bend and we went off to the outside. Luckily, we got back on the track without help. I broke the fire extinguisher mount. I also cracked the viewfinder on the camera. Man, was it fun! Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Dec 16 14:31:29 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Message-ID: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Speakers On This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! unbelievable !!!!!! http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Dec 16 19:47:00 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:47:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue References: Message-ID: Scott, tire balanceing machines only spin to 60mph what i am told , Mark Pendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue > The GT6 had a low frequency vibration at Summit Point over > Thanksgiving, but only flat out on the main straight (above 110 mph/ > 6000 rpm +). It did not feel like it was isolated to any one corner, > though I could be wrong about that. No issues up to 7000 rpm in other > gears. Could this be the driveshaft, or just a mild tire out of > balance that is only evident at high speed? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 16 22:44:14 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Holy crap! That's gotta be a hoot! I mean, what could go wrong? :) - Tony Drews At 03:31 PM 12/16/2009, Paul MacDonald wrote: >Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > > > > >Speakers On > > > >This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. > > > >He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! > > >unbelievable !!!!!! > >http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent >e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig >its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co >te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> >&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over >&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp >layclick=link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Dec 16 22:57:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:57:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <80AA911C891A433580EFB5C0F2268BFB@joepentiumnew> Can you imagine the double takes that the people in the passing cars and bikes had when they saw something that low hurtling at them at such speeds! Surely this guy has some sort of death wish. I wonder if he has Life Insurance, and if so, whether his insurance company knows what he does for fun! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: Tr8 List; Fot Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Speakers On This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! unbelievable !!!!!! http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Wed Dec 16 23:04:59 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Two words... Snow plow...:) On 12/17/09, Tony Drews wrote: > Holy crap! That's gotta be a hoot! I mean, what could go wrong? :) > > - Tony Drews > > At 03:31 PM 12/16/2009, Paul MacDonald wrote: >>Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! >> >> >> >> >>Speakers On >> >> >> >>This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. >> >> >> >>He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! >> >> >>unbelievable !!!!!! >> >>http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent >>e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >>>te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig >>its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co >>te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> >>&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over >>&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp >>layclick=link >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Dec 17 06:09:15 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> Sorry about the messed up link. If you copy and paste this, it should work. Paul http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descen te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 17 07:11:52 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:11:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] selling off NOS for rusty parts project Message-ID: <000001ca7f22$e1b43620$a51ca260$@rr.com> There is little sanity to the impulses that drive us to these old cars. I have another project looming in the future and wish to dispose of some parts I have had for many years staring at me from a shelf. Spitfire Mk 4/1500 bonnet center section (old TRF # was WKC1653) They haven't seen any of these since 1987. Price on it back then was $500. This is a factory new panel in original primer. GT-6 Mk2 bonnet center section (with louvers). This was TRF pt# 619011 and also 576878. These have been unobtanium since the late seventies. This is a NOS panel in original primer. No damage/no rust. I also have a new un-used MGB steel hood in primer. I am located just outside Ithaca NY. If interested, please e-mail with questions. Russ Moore From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 07:58:10 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related Or google search for: descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Dec 17 08:07:02 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:07:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 Message-ID: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. Andre, any idea who this is? Nice looking car. No $ interest. Bill From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Dec 17 08:48:31 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:48:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75><20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> Message-ID: <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> Check this one out, same guy. Charly Mitchel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHHZxP5g68&feature=player_embedded ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Tony Drews'" ; "'Paul MacDonald'" ; "'Tr8 List'" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related > > Or google search for: > descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Dec 17 09:01:48 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75><20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> Message-ID: <888564eb4b3e08176b104c8ed44f9944.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> There are actually quite a few youtube videos about this guy - do a search for: "Jean Yves Blondeau" He's been doing it for quite a while now, apparently. John On Thu, December 17, 2009 10:48 am, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Check this one out, same guy. > Charly Mitchel > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHHZxP5g68&feature=player_embedded > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clark W. Nicholls" > To: "'Tony Drews'" ; "'Paul MacDonald'" > ; "'Tr8 List'" ; "'Fot'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related >> >> Or google search for: >> descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >> >> Clark >> Clark W. Nicholls >> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rjl at gt-classics.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:11:54 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> 200418107893 Nice. I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. A. 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : > Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. > Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. > Andre, any idea who this is? > Nice looking car. > No $ interest. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 17 09:22:25 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:22:25 EST Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars Message-ID: Anyone familiar with this shop in the Pittsburgh area? Thanks! Joe A From gballantine at cogeco.ca Thu Dec 17 09:38:54 2009 From: gballantine at cogeco.ca (Gord Ballantine) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The car has raced with VARAC in Historic Production for the last several years.Nice piece, well sorted. GB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:12 AM To: WILLIAM TOBIN Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage TR6 200418107893 Nice. I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. A. 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : > Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. > Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. > Andre, any idea who this is? > Nice looking car. > No $ interest. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer You are subscribed as gballantine at cogeco.ca http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:44:03 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:44:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. Wonder what the reserve is. A. 2009/12/17 Gord Ballantine : > The car has raced with VARAC in Historic Production for the last several > years.Nice piece, well sorted. > > GB > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:12 AM > To: WILLIAM TOBIN > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage TR6 > > > 200418107893 > > Nice. > > I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. > > A. > > 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : >> Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. >> Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. >> Andre, any idea who this is? >> Nice looking car. >> No $ interest. >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... > Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gballantine at cogeco.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Dec 17 09:52:30 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 Message-ID: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> Your angle would have to be how much money you'd save cuz it's a prepped car. Just make out you didn't notice her rolling her eyes... In a message dated 12/17/2009 8:49:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. Wonder what the reserve is. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:55:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> References: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170855p8efcc5s2b0a325814fed12c@mail.gmail.com> I used that on her for the FIAT, the Mazda and the GT6 hehehe. A. 2009/12/17 : > Your angle would have to be how much money you'd save cuz it's a prepped > car. Just make out you didn't notice her rolling her eyes... > > In a message dated 12/17/2009 8:49:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > andre at gt6.ca writes: > > Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. > > http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html > > So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. > > Wonder what the reserve is. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 17 10:32:14 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com>, , <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, Christmas is next week. Buy it, put a big bow in it and tell her you bought it for her:). You just will need to test drive it a couple of times a year to make sure it is running correctly. Hmmmm, then again there was that one year I bought my wife a set of race tires for HER to autocross HER car with. I thought it was a great idea. We won't go there:) Marty >> > So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. > > Wonder what the reserve is. > > A. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Thu Dec 17 11:52:14 2009 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:52:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars References: Message-ID: Joe, as a longtime resident and TR guy from the 'burgh. I have never run into this operation. I'll send out a few emails to check it out. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars > Anyone familiar with this shop in the Pittsburgh area? > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Thu Dec 17 13:01:34 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Update In-Reply-To: <8CC4D6883DBE4B3-429C-B85@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4D6883DBE4B3-429C-B85@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <504C5AAA-7B0F-45CA-B53C-638D89220F3C@bnj.com> Mine too, we bought a much smaller house in Hood River, turned Peyote over to Tony Garmey to transport and maintain. We'll be selling the house in Portland, selling Nero (the Airstream trailer), selling the Ferrari, getting rid of a lot of stuff and playing more/maintaining less. No financial pressure to do it all, just want more time to play and I just don't need all that stuff. I'm going to build that TR3 kit I have hanging out, finish peyotifying the Ambro, sell the big truck and buy something that can pull 7K pounds and a small trailer to run event that Tony doesn't have other customers for. Keep me posted on the trailer, it sounds ideal On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > > I plan on turning over my TR4 and the enclosed trailer to my sons to take care of. > > I am going to ride off into the sunset with my AMBRO and a single axle trailer. My life is getting too complicated. > > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jdment at suddenlink.net; hakhutch at roadrunner.com; jerryvv at roadrunner.com; tjwakeman at gmail.com; fal at knology.net; deruiterville at hotmail.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com; trmarty at hotmail.com; sm1ski at dslextreme.com > Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: Trailer Update > > Was this spreadsheet supposed to have prices other than the options? I'm > interested, I'm switching to a simpler rig next year. I'd like to know a price > though, even if it's ballpark. > > I'd also suggest looking at a skid to save the trailer in case of a blowout. > Worthwhile in single axle arrangements. > On Dec 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > trailer List: > > > > With cold and snow I have not done anything more with the 'protoype' > > trailer, but hope to shortly. > > > > I still have not found a comparable trailer with those features and at the > > projected price. If you are aware of someone manufacturing one, I'd like to > > examine what they have. > > > > Attached is a worksheet, if you have not seen it yet. I have no business > > agreement with this manufacturer. At this point. > > > > Price and quality looks very good to me. I'd like to see this Iowa > > Manufacturer build more of these trailers, regardless. I did this kind of > stuff in a > > former life, for John Deere, and enjoy it. > > > > My 15 minutes of fame in the 1980s was proposing the build of truck chassis > > for specialty vehicles, mostly motorhomes....10,000 chassis a year was the > > production rate when it was sold to Oshkosh Truck. It eventually became a > > Freightliner, so the product still lives on. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Dec 18 08:27:57 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Detroit Locker NOS but old!!! Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66E31C@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Membership, Got a friend here in Nashville that has a TR3/4 Detroit Locker for sale. Old but never used and he says it's complete. Call JD @ 1-615-361-3887 Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 10:06:39 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:06:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Any FOTs in Charlotte, NC?? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BA3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I may be looking for some intermediary help with a car transaction in Charlotte (not for me, unfortunately). The deal's wired so far, but some face-to-face might be necessary. Scott From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Dec 18 10:21:30 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Detroit Locker NOS but old! Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66E32B@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> This is sold, went FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got a friend here in Nashville that has a TR3/4 Detroit Locker for sale. Old but never used and he says it's complete. Call JD @ 1-615-361-3887 Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 15:46:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:46:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hello all, OK, some of you have sent checks directly to me (which is fine). Some of you have also asked whether you can contribute via PayPal. For those of you who've said that you're in for something, now's the time to let me know how much and/or how you'd like to make your contribution. Yes, you can contribute via PayPal. Just contact Burt and he'll send you a PayPal invoice. Contact him by e-mail at thinkfast at mindspring.com or you can call him during office hours (US central time) at (708) 383-7203. Again, if you choose, you can send checks to me (Scott Barr, 2401 East Enterprise Ave., Appleton WI 54911-7887) and I'll continue to aggregate them and send one check to Burt. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 (direct) www.mccarty-law.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message may be confidential or privileged. Only the intended recipient may read, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. The law requires this firm to inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication cannot be used for purposes of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 15:48:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:48:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott From billdentin at aol.com Fri Dec 18 17:49:54 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott... I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Dec 18 18:25:47 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> I'll check all the old ads for TR-3s I have. I almost think there was one wit a TR-3 in the snow. If I have it I'll digitize it. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:50 PM To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott... I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. Bill Dentinger You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rjohns at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 18 19:00:47 2009 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fot Digest, Vol 37, Issue 21: Topic # 3 from Marty Sukey Message-ID: <94BA915FA3254F379766EBD23F99C8AE@Bucktailus> Subject: Re: Fot Digest, Vol 37, Issue 21: Topic # 3 from Marty Sukey > > Re:Re: Haave you ever...........(R.Johns) > > Marty Sukey was so gracious in exposing my lingering weakness. > Yes, even though I am old enough to know, and behave better, this old > codger still likes to get on it and the old competitive juices get to > flowing. I thought that I should endorse Marty's comments on how much fun > we were having, unnoticed on the tail end of the line. Someone sent out a > pace car to slow us down, finally, as I suppose they were afraid we might > just hurt "ourselves". Anyway, Marty, you did not have to expose me for > what I am, but thanks for being very gracious and kind in your comments. > My wife and I just roared when we read it. I don't know when I have > laughed so hard. Jean was around "The Nurburgring" with me, so was a > seasoned passenger! > > Bob J From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Dec 18 20:15:21 2009 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:15:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure I have an "in period" one around of my Dad and I pushing his TR3 out of a snow drift. It's b/w as I recall. Let me look further. Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 > on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triumphs at consolidated.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 13:38:00 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Fri Dec 18 20:38:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4B2C4ABA.3010708@twcny.rr.com> One thing you can say is he cuts a nice line - probably wouldn't do to bad on a track with a throttle.. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 20:53:39 2009 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:53:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <642640.22854.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I have one of my '56 TR3 as I found it drifted in the snow on an off base parking lot by Fort Leonard Wood, Mo when I finished basic training there in 1960. It is a black and white. If Burt wants to use it I will go dig it out and have my wife or son scan it and send it. Yes, I had to dig it out to get home. This is the same car I drove to/in my first sports car race and back home with a 3rd place trophy. The venom is still in my viens. Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Barr, Scott wrote: > From: Barr, Scott > Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:48 PM > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of > a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > doing in the center section. Anybody have > a good picture of their TR3 > on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software > specialist. From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 18 21:06:28 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:06:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4B2C5144.4030304@microworks.net> http://www.gbiznet.com/ebay/triumph/59tr3snow.jpg Russ Moore wrote: > I'll check all the old ads for TR-3s I have. I almost think there was one > wit a TR-3 in the snow. If I have it I'll digitize it. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:50 PM > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section > spoof ad > > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 > n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > > > Scott... > > I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. > Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. > It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he > would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was > able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars > and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. > > Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder > made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give > you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. > > Bill Dentinger > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From britbits at netzero.com Fri Dec 18 21:33:14 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Scott, I'd like to help.. Lots of TR3s in Dallas but not enough snow to mention. Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Sm35TErCWWqhLVYf2xJRKwAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From group44tr7 at aol.com Sat Dec 19 08:19:07 2009 From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:19:07 EST Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Message-ID: <45d1.1106bafc.385e48eb@aol.com> Scott Why doesn't Burt run a photo contest amongst FOT members to have the best picture of their car in the snow. The winner gets a autographed copy of his forthcoming book. Cary From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 08:31:16 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> To let you know: Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 with the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for reusing them again. Cheers Chris From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Dec 19 09:03:05 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> Message-ID: <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> Chris - Are you using oil with a high ZDDP level, or do you use an additive which increases the ZDDP for your "flat tappet" engine ? Don Elliott, Montreal ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Lifter update > To let you know: > > Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. > > All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 > with > the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for > reusing them again. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 09:16:07 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> To be honest, I never checked if the oil is special for that purpose. I use Mobil 1 5w50 rally - favorite because I get it a little cheaper or Castrol 10w60 Both do well. I had some trouble and worn cams "before" I started to use flat lifters. When I bought that cam in year 2007 I first ran it with crowned lifters and found that lobe #7 became a little damage. Then I grinded the lifters flat and installed them again bearing in mind that the damaged lobe 7 wouldn't last. BUT there is no change at lobe 7 since then and all other lobes are in perfect condition with the flat lifters and even the lifter on lobe 7 seems to feel very comfort this way. I can provide photos if you like. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don Elliott [mailto:58tr3a at videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 17:03 An: MadMarx; 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update Chris - Are you using oil with a high ZDDP level, or do you use an additive which increases the ZDDP for your "flat tappet" engine ? Don Elliott, Montreal ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Lifter update > To let you know: > > Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. > > All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 > with > the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for > reusing them again. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3246.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3251.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3253.JPG] From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 19 10:14:32 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder Message-ID: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Hey, Good morning all (almost afternoon), I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? Thanks for your time. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 10:29:17 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:29:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001ca80d0$cd560500$68020f00$@com> I use a Panasonic SD cam. The SDR-150 and a 2x wide lens converter to have a wide angle view. I really don't know why modern cams have great zoom capabilities but almost no wide angle. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Chip Collingwood Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 18:15 An: bluebirds; Friends of Triumph; Richmond Triumph Register; Mark Palmer Betreff: [Fot] Camcorder Hey, Good morning all (almost afternoon), I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? Thanks for your time. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Sat Dec 19 10:38:27 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B2D0F93.3010206@microworks.net> Go with the "(2) dedicated video setups" the MotorSport version of the GoPro Camera works really well, is cheap and is designed for our application. HD Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=30 Standard Wide angle Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=2 Standard Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=5 Here is a video shot mounted to the chin of a helmet on a 125cc Shifter Kart using the Standrd Wide Angle camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvBsSDsF88 Then get a regular camcorder to use for the family videos. Chip Collingwood wrote: > Hey, > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? > > Thanks for your time. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Dec 19 12:18:57 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> Message-ID: I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler From bobbyceeracer at aol.com Sat Dec 19 12:30:53 2009 From: bobbyceeracer at aol.com (bobbyceeracer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:30:53 EST Subject: [Fot] Panasport TR6 Mag Wheels Message-ID: I have 4 Panasport TR6 mag wheels for sale. In excellent condition There Dimensions are 15 x 7 with a depth or offset of 6 inches. Set up for racing. They are called " Formula 1" model There weight is 15 1/2 lbs. $400 plus shipping Bobby Cee From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 12:54:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:54:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> Message-ID: <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> The oils are fully synthetic. The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap done. You never run out of lifters. I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 19 13:43:52 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> Message-ID: <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere around .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a Rockwell or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking out quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No point in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new ceramics available from the American muscle car industry? Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update The oils are fully synthetic. The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap done. You never run out of lifters. I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Dec 20 09:15:35 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:15:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have been looking at my options for a year now. I just bit the bullet and had Santa bring me a Go Pro HD. I will let you know how it works out this spring. For the Race car go with either memory card or tape. The Hard drive I tried wouldn't record because of vibration issues. In open cars you want a camcorder with an audio in so you can have a mic located out of the wind. How is Hellen, had her on the track lately? Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip Collingwood From dave at microworks.net Sun Dec 20 12:16:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:16:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BB4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BB4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <4B2E77F6.3090703@microworks.net> No input for external mic. The camera is housed inside of a case that is waterproof to 100'. However audio comes through very nice and for open cars you can select to have the wind noise filtered out. Barr, Scott wrote: > Does it have an input for the remote microphone? I've been considering this one, but don't have that critical bit of info. > > Scott From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 14:56:50 2009 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] flame paths Message-ID: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Marry Christmas to all Tis the season to rebuild engines Has anyone ever tried cutting flame paths,"quench grooves" in pistons or heads? Just the wrench John Wagner j.wags63 at yahoo.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Dec 20 15:31:42 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:31:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] flame paths References: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0621C8C25DB24CBC9E1B69F8FA65ADB6@desktop> Check these links. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 http://somender-singh.com/content/view/7/31/ http://home.earthlink.net/~scloughn/id21.html http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?p=900295 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wagner" To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [Fot] flame paths > Marry Christmas to all > Tis the season to rebuild engines > > Has anyone ever tried cutting flame paths,"quench grooves" in pistons or > heads? > > Just the wrench > John Wagner > j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Dec 20 16:17:12 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> Message-ID: <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi gang, I recently heard that J K Jackson was doing some things with Ford lifters. Block has to be machined slightly because of a larger diameter of the Fords. Give him a call. Bill.----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'Terry Stetler'" ; "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere around > .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some > aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a Rockwell > or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking out > quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No point > in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... > Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new ceramics > available from the American muscle car industry? > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM > To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > The oils are fully synthetic. > The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap > done. You never run out of lifters. > I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does > fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. > I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 > An: 'Triumph Friends of' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. > > Terry Stetler > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From triosan at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 16:51:38 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:51:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> And if anybody wants the ford GT40 lifters, I have a set for sale. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi gang, I recently heard that J K Jackson was doing some things with Ford > lifters. Block has to be machined slightly because of a larger diameter of > the Fords. > Give him a call. > Bill.----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'Terry Stetler'" > ; "'Triumph Friends of'" > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere > around > > .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some > > aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a > Rockwell > > or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking > out > > quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No > point > > in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... > > Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new > ceramics > > available from the American muscle car industry? > > > > Russ Moore > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of MadMarx > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM > > To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > The oils are fully synthetic. > > The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so > cheap > > done. You never run out of lifters. > > I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one > does > > fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. > > I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 > > An: 'Triumph Friends of' > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. > > > > Terry Stetler > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 07:57:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:57:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Here's a single data point... I have a cam taken from my race car. The cam is pretty mild (Piper BP270) and it has probably 200 hours tops in use, but it has been run through the range (idle to 7000), it's been through odd valve train failures (one broken rocker arm comes to mind) and some other "stuff". But I had this cam and lifters cryogenically treated back in 1999 or 2000. Verdict: NO WEAR. The cam is perfect. The lifters are perfect. I was quite surprised, to be honest. I actually expected the cam to be worn! But it doesn't appear to be worn. I will (someday) actually measure the cam lobes and look at the lifters more closely, but I am totally sold on the cryo-treatment thing. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 08:06:27 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:06:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Jim wrote: > Scott, > Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. Dude, we just got a bunch of that snow stuff. I'd send you some, but I understand that it doesn't do well in UPS trucks. > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Dec 21 09:28:09 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [RTR] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <689301A824F16F458852BEB04BEBF38D046EA610@utexch01.vccs.edu> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> <689301A824F16F458852BEB04BEBF38D046EA610@utexch01.vccs.edu> Message-ID: if you want some really good, powerful but easy to use software, look at the offerings by Pinnacle (Studio Ultimate is what I have). It really is professional quality video editing at a reasonable price. I do know some folks who use it for editing commercial videos. John On Mon, December 21, 2009 10:48 am, Scott McCombe wrote: > Chip, > > Consumer Reports has a fairly good coverage of video camcorders on their > web site. Last year, I bought the Canon mini DVD one they recommended. > I am not as thrilled with having to manage the DVDs as I thought I might > be, but it is nice having that hard copy for later reference. It adds > the one step of checking available space, switching disks, and processes > that you don't have to consider when using a hard drive or memory > recording camera. > > > > Check on whether you have a good compatibility with video editing > software. I don't think the Canon came with enough software to do the > kind of editing one usually want to do, s you may need something in > addition to the base software. My daughter insists that using her Mac > makes video a snap, whereas using Media Creator on my Vista PC is a > laborious process. > > > > I do like the low light capability of the canon and it has done > everything as promised. > > > > Buy an extra battery and keep it charged and ready. > > > > Scott McCombe, PMP > > Project Management Office > > Virginia Community College System > > (804) 819-4680 > > smccombe at vccs.edu > > > > "In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity." > > Albert Einstein > > > > From: rtr-bounces at richmondtriumphregister.com > [mailto:rtr-bounces at richmondtriumphregister.com] On Behalf Of Chip > Collingwood > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:15 PM > To: bluebirds; Friends of Triumph; Richmond Triumph Register; Mark > Palmer > Subject: [RTR] Camcorder > > > > Hey, > > > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual > purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family > and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as > an in car feedback device. > > > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media > is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a > bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is > recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both > interests? > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Chip Collingwood > > 69 TR6 Eprod > > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtr mailing list > rtr at richmondtriumphregister.com > http://richmondtriumphregister.com/mailman/listinfo/rtr_richmondtriumphregister.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Dec 21 12:25:06 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:25:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs Message-ID: Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet liner block, and where to get them? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Dec 21 13:07:35 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:07:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: I called the Roadster Factory and Dave gave me the part number. They sell a stick of 3 TRF # PU1404/3. I couldn't find them in their catalogs but they still have them. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 14:50:06 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:50:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] flame paths In-Reply-To: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <673993c50912211350p217518g4a4e10be300d57f2@mail.gmail.com> See also.. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1396&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3876&start=0 There has been almost no quantitative data to support *Somender Grooves*. The testing that has been done is either qualitative based or the measured difference was small enough to fall within the margin of error of the dyno. If you've followed this on the engine building forums, you will have noticed there is only one or two people championing *Somender Grooves* to be something worth pursing, while many "experts" just claim its snake oil. My *unexpert guess* is that there is nothing really to be gained with them, and you have added more edges to the combustion chamber which can cause much unwanted hot spots. Also, they will eventually fill with carbon which will reduce their effectiveness (granted they worked in the first place). If you get them right, you might be able to reduce your total timing by a degree or two. You will see a bigger power difference in power between two track sessions due to differences in air temperature alone than you will with those grooves. There are gains to be made in other places in an engine where your time and thought would be put to better use. My .02 Bob From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Dec 21 15:03:13 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:03:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message Message-ID: Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm Brad From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 15:14:58 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: <008101ca828b$08fc7bf0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Bob, did Dave say what the thread size was? Just curious. Thanks, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > I called the Roadster Factory and Dave gave me the part number. They sell a > stick of 3 TRF # PU1404/3. I couldn't find them in their catalogs but they > still have them. > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 21 15:44:12 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:44:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 16:20:45 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860912211520w56d72d62u98c8d29f232342ed@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I admit that I might be biased since I do write software for ChaseCam, but I think their solution is very good. I have used a bunch of different cameras over the years, including camcorder, gopros, oregon scientifics etc, but here is the things I like about using a ChaseCam PDR: 1) It is powered from the car. Batteries are a pain, and there is enough to think about at a race, that I would often forget to charge the batteries. 2) The ChaseCam auto starts recording, when you start moving - it's really neat. One real problem with the gopro and camcorders is if you forget to start it, you may not be able to reach it once you are buckled in. Also it is hard to tell if it is recording or not. 3) The camera is separate from the mic, which keeps the mic out of the wind. It sounds like it is better with the new gopro, but the old one was horrible with wind noise. 4) The unit is extremely rugged. 5) You can add a data module (at a pretty good price)which allows you to overlay data, and also do sophisticated data analysis, using rpm, gps position and speed, other sensors. I think the package of chasecam video and data is pretty neat, and a great tool for improving your driving. 6) The video quality is awesome. There are other things too, but these are the main points. If you have any questions about ChaseCam or the data module, let me know. -Mark On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Chip Collingwood wrote: > Hey, > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? > > Thanks for your time. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as markvaden at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 21 17:57:35 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:57:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101ca82a1$c0ba97c0$6401a8c0@blake1> I took the later approach. NPT plugs are easy to find locally and cheap. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:44 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 16:52:10 2009 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> This confirms what I finally narrowed down as the cause of nasty fumes when welding. Even just the fumes in the air from using brake cleaner in the shop would cause bad smelling fumes when I weld. The fumes caused shortness of breath and a lingering tight feeling in my chest. Scary stuff. I just got some non-chlorinated brake cleaner that I hope will be OK. Richard Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message > Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or > TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It > certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. > > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > Brad > _______________________________________________ From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Dec 21 18:49:28 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:49:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- (jch: now shipping snow) In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: <4B3025A8.2060201@blacksburg.net> On 12/21/2009 10:06 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Jim wrote: > >> Scott, > >> Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. > > Dude, we just got a bunch of that snow stuff. I'd send you some, but I > understand that it doesn't do well in UPS trucks. Buffalo NY shipped a whole mess of it years ago in empty box cars which were headed South (IIRC). So you're just using the wrong mode of transport, Bob. Ya gotta think outside the box(car). :-) jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From gp89 at charter.net Mon Dec 21 18:53:20 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091221205321.UBNXL.1035745.root@mp20> I saw the same thing posted at the UW Hospital where I work. To think how many times the mechanic at Sugar River Raceway has welded on go karts that had just been cleaned off with brake parts cleaner. I gave him a copy of it. I hope he took it seriously. Jeff Senty ---- Brad Kahler wrote: > Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or > TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It > certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. > > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Mon Dec 21 19:44:36 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:44:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> References: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> Message-ID: <9A1ED164-9240-4599-882C-835E7004497D@bnj.com> Good to know, I've used that stuff a lot to clean parts before welding. Yikes. On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Richard Good wrote: > This confirms what I finally narrowed down as the cause of nasty fumes when welding. Even just the fumes in the air from using brake cleaner in the shop would cause bad smelling fumes when I weld. The fumes caused shortness of breath and a lingering tight feeling in my chest. Scary stuff. I just got some non-chlorinated brake cleaner that I hope will be OK. > > Richard Good > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message > > >> Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or >> TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It >> certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. >> >> >> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 21 19:49:23 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79191.55172.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob: The threads on tyhe plug are BSP, but I know know which thread. Last time I had a block vatted the rear plug desolved. Ken G at BFE came the the rescue. He stocks them in S/S with an allen hex on the end to screw them in. As you said, the originals came in stick form and were cut after threading in. Kens pieces will last forever, or at least until it doesn't matter anymore. Give Ken a call. Thanks - Ed --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bob Kramer wrote: From: Bob Kramer Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:44 PM Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Dec 21 20:25:52 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:25:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake clean Message-ID: I continue to use wurth brake clean. It's works well. Cans come in a case of 12 but I like the 5 gal drum. Cheaper than the parts store the last time I looked. www.wurthusa.com cheers Tony Garmey From malaboge at aol.com Mon Dec 21 22:43:13 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake clean In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC50E0C99EF4D3-5E80-14C42@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com> You guys are lucky...the last order i got from Wurth, they had to send some alcohol based solvent that doesn't clean much of anything...good ole Kalifornia won't let them sell anything that works anymore. Can't get the old style paint either...all you can get is the new stuff that creates that nifty cyanide gas...needless to say i don't have the Tyvek suits, breathing apparatus and air scrubbers, so no more do it yourself paint jobs either. I feel so much better with big brother by my side... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25 pm Subject: [Fot] brake clean I continue to use wurth brake clean. It's works well. Cans come in a case of 2 but I like the 5 gal drum. Cheaper than the parts store the last time I ooked. www.wurthusa.com cheers Tony Garmey ______________________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 12:40:01 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:40:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <5857554.1261510801676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FOT, What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? ~Steve From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 13:17:34 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:17:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Dec 22 20:01:07 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:01:07 EST Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? Message-ID: Amigos, Just got an Email from a Brit trying to restore some old US racer. He says it has a Phoenix fire suppression system and is looking for contact information and details. I well remember the name, anyone know if they're still around or what he can do?? Happy Christmas guys, Steve From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Dec 22 20:16:53 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup To: "steve" , "FOT" Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 22 20:38:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any nipples and hoses on any body else's car. Ed, did you call today?........ Joe A -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve ; FOT Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Steve: do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. hat is the lists take on this? Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: rom: steve ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup o: "steve" , "FOT" ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far s I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup FOT, What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure auge? ~Steve You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Dec 22 20:54:07 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A24B339C517438FA262076D016C50C4@joepentiumnew> There is a web site: http://www.phoenixfire.com/ It looks like it is mostly concerned with commercial and home fire systems but they do have some Halon substitute systems that I suppose could be adapted to cars. It might be worth a contact. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? Amigos, Just got an Email from a Brit trying to restore some old US racer. He says it has a Phoenix fire suppression system and is looking for contact information and details. I well remember the name, anyone know if they're still around or what he can do?? Happy Christmas guys, Steve From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 22 21:19:26 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:19:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I run the heater pipe to a pressure tank in the battery box location, then over to the back of the head. I think it helps with flow around number 4. It a 1 quart Canton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "steve" ; "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > Steve: > I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block > that > port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around > cylinders 3 > and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece > of > hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes > from > the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the > heater > valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. > What is the lists take on this? > -Ed- > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: > > > From: steve > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > To: "steve" , "FOT" > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM > > > Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as > far > as I know!!! > > I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) > > -----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >>FOT, >> >>What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >>1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >>2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >>Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure > gauge? >> >> >> >>~Steve >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 22 22:13:26 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:13:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the hole at the rear of the head. - Tony At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any >nipples and hoses on any body else's car. > >Ed, did you call today?........ > >Joe A > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: EDWARD BARNARD >To: steve ; FOT >Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > > >Steve: > do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that >ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 >nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of >ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from >he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater >alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >hat is the lists take on this? >Ed- >--- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: > >rom: steve >ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >o: "steve" , "FOT" >ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM > >ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far >s I know!!! >I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >-----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >auge? > > > >~Steve >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >http://www.fot-racing.com > >ot at autox.team.net >ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >http://www.fot-racing.com > >ot at autox.team.net >ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Tue Dec 22 22:18:15 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:18:15 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <99E9DDD4-776E-40DB-A19A-3332383704AB@bnj.com> I do this on all my engines. Peyote originally had a feed to a modified rear freeze plug but Tony Garmey converted it to the rear head port. On Dec 22, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the hole at the rear of the head. > > - Tony > > At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any >> nipples and hoses on any body else's car. >> >> Ed, did you call today?........ >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EDWARD BARNARD >> To: steve ; FOT >> Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> >> Steve: >> do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that >> ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 >> nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of >> ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from >> he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater >> alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >> hat is the lists take on this? >> Ed- >> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: >> >> rom: steve >> ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> o: "steve" , "FOT" >> ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM >> >> ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far >> s I know!!! >> I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: steve >> Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> FOT, >> >> What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >> 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >> 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >> Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >> auge? >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> ot at autox.team.net >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> ot at autox.team.net >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 01:25:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:25:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ca83a9$7fe9a250$7fbce6f0$@com> I still have the heater in place and use it on cold racing days to keep my feet warm and dry. It is also an emergency cooling unit that enables you to have one more lap maybe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 04:17 An: steve; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Dec 23 07:38:57 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the > hole at the rear of the head. > > - Tony > > At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >>Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing >>any >>nipples and hoses on any body else's car. >> >>Ed, did you call today?........ >> >>Joe A >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: EDWARD BARNARD >>To: steve ; FOT >>Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> >>Steve: >> do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block >> that >>ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around >>cylinders 3 >>nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece >>of >>ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes >>from >>he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the >>heater >>alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >>hat is the lists take on this? >>Ed- >>--- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: >> >>rom: steve >>ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >>o: "steve" , "FOT" >>ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM >> >>ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as >>far >>s I know!!! >>I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >>-----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >>FOT, >> >>What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >>1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >>2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >>Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >>auge? >> >> >> >>~Steve >>You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>ot at autox.team.net >>ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>ot at autox.team.net >>ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From group44tr7 at aol.com Wed Dec 23 08:58:32 2009 From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:58:32 EST Subject: [Fot] Pictures Needed - Woodner Rally Car Message-ID: <3fa6.2688b9a8.38639828@aol.com> Season Greetings Its suprising how few photos seem to exist of Jon Woodner's TR8 rally car. There is one on the internet that I have found in which the car appears to be orange with dark blue (black?). When the car was damaged and sold at the Pike's Peak Hill Climb, the polariods make it appears to have been completely repainted blue. If anyone has or knows someone with pictures, I would appreciate getting copies of them. Thank you in advance, Cary From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Dec 23 09:34:47 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:34:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <20091223.113447.10141.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat housing. At the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This is more of a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup To: "steve" , "FOT" Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. 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It certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm Brad You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=-BWClDfpzp27XTAfJgurKgAAJz6U 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Dec 23 13:26:15 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:26:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TSI TR4 Exhaust Header Message-ID: <000001ca840e$2d955390$88bffab0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have a four-into-one exhaust header from Ted Schumacher (TSI Imports) which I purchased new for my TR4 racer but did not use. If you are in need of something like this and want to save a few dollars, contact me offline at vintage.racer at comcast.net. Thanks and Happy Holidays. Gary From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 23 14:53:42 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B329166.1030009@blacksburg.net> On 12/22/2009 3:17 PM, steve wrote: > Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! > > I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) > > -----Original Message----- >> From: steve >> Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> FOT, >> >> What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >> 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 1/2" NPT >> 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. 1/2" fine thread -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Dec 23 15:20:41 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:20:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> Message-ID: <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> If you think about the way it is designed, the location of the hottest point depends on the design of the head gasket. If the head gasket has most of the flow going up at the rear and just a trickle in the front portion, then the hottest point will be at cylinder one. If there is a lot of upward flow near the front and little at the rear, the hottest point will be cylinder 4. If you take water out at the heater port you will encourage flow to #4, but #1 will receive less water, so it will be hotter. With a little experimentation, the size of the holes could probably be optimized so that 1 and 4 are at the same temperature.. I think the stock gaskets cause #4 to be hottest. I like the way Mordy does the holes in his gaskets with big holes at the back. Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender > located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling > system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , > running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 17:00:54 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:00:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca842c$2c7dcd70$85796850$@com> I had no luck with altering the holes sizes of the steel gasket. Each time I'd enlarge the backwards holes the engine went warm and spilled water. So I run it as it comes and all is fine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 23:21 An: Mark Pendergrass; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup If you think about the way it is designed, the location of the hottest point depends on the design of the head gasket. If the head gasket has most of the flow going up at the rear and just a trickle in the front portion, then the hottest point will be at cylinder one. If there is a lot of upward flow near the front and little at the rear, the hottest point will be cylinder 4. If you take water out at the heater port you will encourage flow to #4, but #1 will receive less water, so it will be hotter. With a little experimentation, the size of the holes could probably be optimized so that 1 and 4 are at the same temperature.. I think the stock gaskets cause #4 to be hottest. I like the way Mordy does the holes in his gaskets with big holes at the back. Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender > located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling > system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , > running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From chasgee at aol.com Wed Dec 23 19:39:05 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut Message-ID: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Amici, What is the tightening torque for the output flange nut on a TR4/TR6 transmission? I don't have a manual for the larger cars and I'm too cheap to buy one. Thanks, Chuck Gee From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Wed Dec 23 21:36:06 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:36:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut In-Reply-To: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck Propeller Shaft Flange to Gearbox Mainshaft 80-120 ft/lbs Cheers Peter V TR-4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2009 1:39 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut Amici, What is the tightening torque for the output flange nut on a TR4/TR6 transmission? I don't have a manual for the larger cars and I'm too cheap to buy one. Thanks, Chuck Gee You are subscribed as pvucinic at netspace.net.au http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. __________ NOD32 4713 (20091223) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 09:52:55 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:52:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers Message-ID: The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 09:53:30 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:53:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about the Triumph LM prototype that was entered in the 1966 Daytona 24 Hour race by an E. P. Drescher? It was driven by Harry Fry, Hugh Kleinpeter and George Parsons. could this have been the Conrero? From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 10:25:35 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:25:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912240925k1fea6570h6ebc5daf13b5509c@mail.gmail.com> I know Pacific Raceways does. A fellow driver had a bicycle accident at the track that resulted in $20,000 injury. He was on the way to the hot pits where another driver was driving hos race car. Got run over by another racer on his bike [cannot keep those Pro 3 BMW guys from racing even when not in their cars]. My friend did not have any medical insurance. The track insurance paid the bill. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Dec 24 10:44:01 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during my "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know that a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than any of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a crime, civil disturbance, or during war. -Ed- --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: From: Bob Kramer Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 10:52:06 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype References: Message-ID: Apparantly the LM Prototype was one of the TRS cars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype > Does anyone know anything about the Triumph LM prototype that was entered > in > the 1966 Daytona 24 Hour race by an E. P. Drescher? It was driven by Harry > Fry, Hugh Kleinpeter and George Parsons. could this have been the Conrero? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 24 11:15:21 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:15:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good question. I have always wondered how my health insurance would react to something taking place while at an event. I know my auto insurance would laugh hysterically as they tossed my policy in the trash should I ever try to submit a claim. I am interested on the feedback to this thread. Marty > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:52:55 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From bownes at seiri.com Thu Dec 24 11:17:13 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:17:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting. It would appear that there is a large variation in insurance out there. This is a question I have specifically asked at every serious interview for every job I've had since the late 80s (and I've been a technology job-hopper over the years so it's probably 10 -12 insurance companies/jobs). Even when I was listed as a 'critical employee/BOD member' in a few start ups, racing has never been an issue, though piloting a private aircraft has (I gave that up in the mid 80's, but that's another story) been mentioned. Nor has riding a motorcycle been an issue. As a volunteer emergency services provider (Emergency medicine and fire services), we get some incredible coverage when on duty and when on the way to/from the stations. And even a pension. (~$50/mo after I turn 65). Maybe it's just vintage racing guys are too aggressive vs the regular SCCA crowd ;) Hope Santa brings you all the racer toys you wanted! Bob On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now > senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during > my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above > activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that > would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know > that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than > any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a > recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Thu Dec 24 12:54:39 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Regardless of the outcome of the Senate passing their bill this morning, then being able to reconcile with the House's bill sometime in January or February and Obama signing whatever results we will be start being taxed in 2010 but there will be no benefits until 2014. So if your son is still unemployed 4 years from now then the answer would be that he could remain on your policy. Of course this supposes that the law is not put on hold by the Courts on Constitutional grounds EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Dec 24 13:53:21 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:53:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Message-ID: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. -Ed- --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: From: David W. Riddle Subject: Re: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Cc: fot at autox.team.net, "Bob Kramer" Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 1:54 PM Regardless of the outcome of the Senate passing their bill this morning, then being able to reconcile with the House's bill sometime in January or February and Obama signing whatever results we will be start being taxed in 2010 but there will be no benefits until 2014. So if your son is still unemployed 4 years from now then the answer would be that he could remain on your policy. Of course this supposes that the law is not put on hold by the Courts on Constitutional grounds EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > From billb at bnj.com Thu Dec 24 15:19:16 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:19:16 -1000 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a grim truth that even with the kinds of premiums I pay, I am uncovered about 20% of the time. Racing cars, diving, surfing, riding motorcycles--all have exclusions. Both life insurance and health insurance. We adrenalin junkies are increasingly on our own, even though health care for accidents is a fraction of the cost of end of life care. On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:44 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Dec 24 16:18:59 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Are you sure????? He's looking to be rel-elected as the most incompetent in 2012? Gee I don't think he has a clue!!!! Michigan is drowning in taxes EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned > two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the > bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the > ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill > before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. > We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Dec 24 16:26:44 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: Greetings, PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we can all stay friends. Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer, Connie and Barley TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 24 16:58:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:58:48 +0100 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca84f5$0a529a40$1ef7cec0$@com> In Germany you are health care insured regardless what kind of sport you are doing. Life insurance don't cover motorsport, so I have a special life insurance for motorsport which cost me 300 EUR a year but does cover death and maybe more (don't know where the policy is) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Kramer Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Dezember 2009 17:53 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 24 16:59:28 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: <000d01ca84f5$20c1b4a0$62451de0$@rr.com> Want to trade with New York? We have a governor that rivals his level of incompetence and tax happy approach to pay for handouts. We're getting it from all sides. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:19 PM To: EDWARD BARNARD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers Are you sure????? He's looking to be rel-elected as the most incompetent in 2012? Gee I don't think he has a clue!!!! Michigan is drowning in taxes EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned > two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the > bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the > ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill > before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. > We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From herald948 at aol.com Thu Dec 24 17:38:11 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:38:11 EST Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT Message-ID: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> In a message dated 12/24/2009 6:32:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: Greetings, PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we can all stay friends. Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, ==AM== I second both thoughts! --Andy Mace From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 24 18:32:31 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B34162F.70500@bradakis.com> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote: > Greetings, > PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we > can all stay friends. > Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, Indeed. If you *DO* want to blabber on about political stuff, sign up for the-local ( http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/the-local - it is intended to be a place for non-automotive blatherings about this that and the other. mjb. From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Dec 24 20:31:49 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> Message-ID: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Dec 24 20:34:58 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:34:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Life, health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am told by my life insurance agent that after three years, you are grandfathered on life insurance coverage, even if it disallowed certain incidents initially. On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: It's a grim truth that even with the kinds of premiums I pay, I am uncovered about 20% of the time. Racing cars, diving, surfing, riding motorcycles--all have exclusions. Both life insurance and health insurance. We adrenalin junkies are increasingly on our own, even though health care for accidents is a fraction of the cost of end of life care. On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:44 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be > addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on > their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if > the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me > during my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was > always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt > from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all > know that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater > risk than any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to > complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during > commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a > job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he > instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an > individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being > told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track > incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own > insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the > event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have > insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 24 20:46:59 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B3435B3.6040302@bradakis.com> > However, I suspect a generation or two down the road > will be getting it on with electric motors Apologies to Ford and Mopar fans. http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24 mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 24 21:05:34 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:05:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <10.0A.01567.D0A343B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > However, I suspect a generation or two down the road > will be getting it on with electric motors, Not gonna be that long ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf89tawZX8 Randall From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Dec 24 23:50:32 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:50:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Message-ID: When I raced Midgets/sprint cars I had a policy from K and K in Indy. They cover or Used to ! race drivers,race cars, trucks,trailers tools. I wasn't very expensive. Short track racers never have any Money. There is now wells fargo covering the motor sport industry. Perhaps something along these lines will help ? What about Aflac ?? Good luck Tony From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Dec 25 07:44:14 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401ca8570$bb052b70$310f8250$@net> Can you imagine racing an electric car at summit point or where every Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:32 PM To: herald948 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Politics and the FoT much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 08:08:18 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:12:16 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:12:16 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> depends on the 'brand'...if its an RJS,they will re-web....others may not, they prob lobbies SCCA to shorten the dates to sell more... In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:22:16 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:22:16 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <2278.25785710.386640b8@aol.com> RJS in Hazel Park,MI will re-web it twice....then must replace all . In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:23:26 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:23:26 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <22a8.37284dbe.386640fe@aol.com> should have said that RJS will only do their own brand,not others. In a message dated 12/25/2009 11:21:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rek46 at aol.com writes: depends on the 'brand'...if its an RJS,they will re-web....others may not, they prob lobbies SCCA to shorten the dates to sell more... In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 25 09:33:18 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years ago. http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:45:40 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:45:40 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <25d4.2db7dc4b.38664634@aol.com> Not sure they can make SFI approved/labeled race belts....they seem to specialize in OEM repros....but I'd check that out very thoroughly....don't forget, its your life at stake.....I can vouch for good belts on 3 very nasty 100 - 120mph crashes, or I wouldn't be here to type this. In a message dated 12/25/2009 11:35:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 25 09:47:38 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:47:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: >From the website that looks like just wimpy passenger car stuff. On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years > ago. > > http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 25 10:33:01 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <85AE8CD75FE945E393C0AA98524346C0@joepentiumnew> That could be but when I talked to the rep, he seemed to indicate that they will do virtually any type belt. Might be worth asking. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:48 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Rob'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness >From the website that looks like just wimpy passenger car stuff. On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years > ago. > > http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 25 11:11:07 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:11:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C27@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. >> Ice sailing on Sturgeon Bay! ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: herald948 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu Dec 24 21:31:49 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Politics and the FoT much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Dec 25 11:22:17 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:22:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> After watching the original footage of belt stretch during deceleration incidents from the folks who did reaearch on the HANS device.... I would sell your old belts on Ebay to offset the purchase of a new set from a truly reputable company. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 25 12:28:29 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:28:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> Message-ID: <855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try www.crowenterprizes.com - they do a very nice job. Merry Christmas everyone D Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 12:36:11 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <673993c50912251136p46a3e509rb1b6bc196ac18b22@mail.gmail.com> I think most of the belt manufacturers have their own belt-rewebbing program, at least GForce and Schroth do. I think Simpson doesn't reweb, but they give you something like a 20% discount on new belts. Crow and I think M&R will reweb other manufactuers belts, but for a higher fee than they will do their own. Once they reweb it, it becomes their belt, and it's cheaper to reweb the next time around. Bob From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Dec 25 13:25:13 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:25:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I had a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt did not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:28:29 To: ; <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness Try www.crowenterprizes.com - they do a very nice job. Merry Christmas everyone D Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as gasket.works at gte.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 25 15:27:42 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:27:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <000301ca85b1$7cac6960$76053c20$@com> I would replace them and sell the old stuff to some young hot rod guys for a few bucks. They like that a lot. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Rob Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 16:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] saftey harness Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 25 17:15:42 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:15:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> I like good safety gear. Can't see spending $800 for a set of tires and skimping on safety gear. On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I had a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt did not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 17:41:55 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com><419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2991B774B65A415181F3B25E32E964F7@INSPIRON> boy looks like a slow day in the news room thanks for all the reply's rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness >I like good safety gear. Can't see spending $800 for a set of tires and > skimping on safety gear. > > On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > >> Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I >> had > a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to > company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt > did > not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Dec 25 19:49:04 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:49:04 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat housing. At the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This is more of a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- ____________________________________________________________ Auto Loans Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=Hoje3886tmb2FF0wnaURlQAAJz6U 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIwAAAAA= From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Dec 25 20:22:58 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:22:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: I looked into rewebbing my Simpson belts a few years back and learned the price of re-webbed belts was not significantly different from new belts. And if I cut off my SFI tags and sent them in, I got a discount. Now I just buy new and sell the old ones to an autocrosser for $15. Tip (for SCCA anyway): Make sure the new ones are dated 2010. That way, under the "2-year rule" you actually get three years. How? 2010 belts expire in 2012. But only the year matters -- they expire at the END of 2012. Buy in January 2010, keep 'em to December 2012, buy the next set in January 2013. (Been doing that ever since the 2-year rule kicked in.) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 25 21:05:27 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:05:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Helping the flow of water sounds like a good idea but for the record, my car has run with these holes plugged for 40 years with no cooling problems. I was looking for the easy route on getting the sizes so I could make one trip to the hardware store or my local surplus fitting store. I'm lucky to be near a couple of stores here in LA that have all the stock from the old "Joe Factor" shop. It was wall to wall aircraft and nuts and bolt surplus. Hate to be in there during an earthquake or I'd be buried by AN fittings. One thing I need to do is make a 7/16 - 14 Banjo bolt to run a fitting from the oil gallery to the oil press. gauge. Happy Holidays everyone. ~Steve On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat > housing. At > the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This > is more of > a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > To: steve , FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) > > Steve: > I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you > block that > port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around > cylinders > 3 > and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short > piece of > hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which > comes > from > the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave > the > heater > valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. > What is the lists take on this? > -Ed- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Auto Loans > Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=Hoje3886tmb2FF0wnaURlQAAJz6U > 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIwAAAAA > = > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Dec 25 21:39:51 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:39:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <25349342.1261802391549.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Look at www.tracksidetim.com under belts and rewebbing tab on the left of the page. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> >Sent: Dec 28, 2009 7:41 PM >To: Bill Babcock , gasket.works at gte.net >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness > >boy looks like a slow day in the news room thanks for all the reply's >rob From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 13:23:17 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help Message-ID: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am making progress getting the car back together. The challenge for me is I got the car in pieces (and I have never worked on a Triumph before) and it it a bit of a puzzle to get it all together. The factor manual seems to be lacking some detail. I have a center pull and a heat shield. The way it appears (it was not hooked up with a heat shield before) it was hooked up before does not give me enough travel to fully open the carbs. Does any one have photos or can send me a sketch on how the linkage should be set up. It bugs me that I am not seeing this. All the other weird stuff I have figured out so far. I am still on track to run the Portland and Seattle historics in July. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Mike Mehl 62 TR4 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 26 15:41:42 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:41:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... Message-ID: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> Happy Holidaze, First I wanted to thank many of you that sent me ideas and photos of pan baffles last spring when I started this project. I am finally back on this project putting the finishing touches on things and its time for a final design review to make sure I did not miss something and make things worse. At the following link you will find photos of the trap door system I fabricated. Seems everyone complained about losing oil on left hand corners and no-one mentioned a right hand issue so there is only one baffle down the length and a transverse baffle thinking braking going into a corner throws oil forward, might as well keep it there. I took ideas from what worked for some and added trap doors designed like my Moroso pan one of my other toys. The doors flop easily, not worried about them sticking, surprisingly easy to fabricate. Don't be polite - I'd rather trash it all than trash the motor. Photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ Thanks again for all your help last spring... Best, Mark From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 26 16:08:11 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Soldering question Message-ID: <4B36975B.6080508@twcny.rr.com> I'm usually pretty good with a torch and solder but soldering the screen back on a TR3 oil pickup has proven quite challenging. Can this be done with traditional copper pipe solder and flux or does it take something different e.g. lead... Any technique tips? Thanks, M From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 26 16:44:07 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:44:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Soldering question In-Reply-To: <4B36975B.6080508@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: > Can > this be done > with traditional copper pipe solder and flux I did mine that way, but it was quite some time ago. Following Ken G's tip of reinforcing it by working copper wire through and tying it around the tube seems to have solved the breakage problem, for me. > or does it take > something > different e.g. lead... Any technique tips? Definitely see if you can find the old lead/tin solder instead of the modern "lead free" stuff. At least in my experience, the "lead free" doesn't work nearly as well. You may have to resort to using 'electronic' solder, if your plumbing shop doesn't carry lead/tin. Degrease and get the screen just as clean as you can. Might even be worth dipping it in "Tarn-X" or similar, although I just used a Scotch-brite pad. 'Tin' (coat with solder) the screen first, and then merge it with the blob on the tube. And if all else fails, new screens are only $25 @ TRF. Randall From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Dec 26 19:43:26 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... In-Reply-To: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> References: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> On 12/26/2009 5:41 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Happy Holidaze, > > First I wanted to thank many of you that sent me ideas and photos of pan > baffles last spring when I started this project. I am finally back on > this project putting the finishing touches on things and its time for a > final design review to make sure I did not miss something and make > things worse. > > At the following link you will find photos of the trap door system I > fabricated. Seems everyone complained about losing oil on left hand > corners and no-one mentioned a right hand issue so there is only one > baffle down the length and a transverse baffle thinking braking going > into a corner throws oil forward, might as well keep it there. I took > ideas from what worked for some and added trap doors designed like my > Moroso pan one of my other toys. The doors flop easily, not worried > about them sticking, surprisingly easy to fabricate. > > Don't be polite - I'd rather trash it all than trash the motor. Mark, I like your style: if a job is worth doing, it's worth over-doing. I can't speak to the effectiveness of the design, but the fabrication job looks nice. And I think the idea of spinning around in the yard with oil in the sump is a great idea. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jibjib at att.net Sat Dec 26 23:16:14 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:16:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, For your son - I have used Costco's catastrophic insurance to tide us over for a few months when I was out of a job. It was not for check-ups or a regular doctor's visit, only for something major, like a hospitalization, etc. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as jibjib at att.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Dec 27 08:37:21 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... In-Reply-To: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> References: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4B377F31.9050605@twcny.rr.com> I'm sure this is the one group that understands how that works. The job starts as a simple baffle but as the job progresses, the ideas flow and next thing you know it becomes about playing with the torch to see if I can do it. By the time I am done; overkill... I kindda miss Uncle Jack who used to a voice of reason to run ideas by - in fact it was Tony that brought reality for my big plans for a custom scraper and oil trap system was probably worth less than a horse-power in my case. In the long run its all about being in our playgrounds with all our toys - I've seen your cars - you know what I mean... I do worry that I may have done something with unforeseen consequences - hence the post. Cheers, M From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Dec 27 17:43:44 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help In-Reply-To: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601ca8756$da3fc530$8ebf4f90$@com> I'll send some photos of our H6 carbs and heat shield off list to you. We had to cut a slot into the front of the heat shield for the bell crank in the linkage to work properly. I'm speaking of the heat shield from Joe A., the stainless steel one. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:23 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help I am making progress getting the car back together. The challenge for me is I got the car in pieces (and I have never worked on a Triumph before) and it it a bit of a puzzle to get it all together. The factor manual seems to be lacking some detail. I have a center pull and a heat shield. The way it appears (it was not hooked up with a heat shield before) it was hooked up before does not give me enough travel to fully open the carbs. Does any one have photos or can send me a sketch on how the linkage should be set up. It bugs me that I am not seeing this. All the other weird stuff I have figured out so far. I am still on track to run the Portland and Seattle historics in July. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Mike Mehl 62 TR4 You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From herald948 at aol.com Sun Dec 27 18:59:00 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire heads Message-ID: <8CC5578757BE46C-4C34-1AD77@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> Question for Spitfire racers. I seem to recall that 511538 is supposed to be one of the better heads for these engines, and that might be borne out by the fact that I have two such heads: one on the engine in my old autocross Spitfire (ex-GP from the late 1960s), and one that came as a spare with the car many years ago. Can anyone confirm that this is one of the better heads for these engines? Also, what about the 514384 head -- any good? Any others? I remember one of you telling me years ago about a 948 head; alas, those old e-mails live only on a dead computer at the moment. :( Thanks for any insight! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 14:30:54 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:30:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires Message-ID: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 28 15:17:17 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:17:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> I run on Yoko A048 and would say, after 2 or 3 laps they wake up when on the right pressure and last the whole distance. I know from a back to back test of a team over here that the Hoosiers Speedsters does have a very good peak grip for a couple of laps but then the tire don't seem to be usable anymore. Maybe this heat cycle theme. The Yoko don't reach the grip of the Hoosiers but is not much away from it but the tire does last for ages. I still run tires from 2008 and do very well on them including two hours Nordschleife two times. I think I'll do the first two race on them next year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 22:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] 15" tires Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 28 15:29:03 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:29:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I ran 10 race weekends on my Yoko A048R 205/60/15. By the 10th race, the tires had noticeably less grip. Just mounted a set of Nitto NT01's 205/50/15 and will try them when the new season begins. ~Steve On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax > tire > rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / > observations > between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or > Yoko > A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street > TD's, and / > or Kumho V700's? > > I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the > Toyo's and > Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). > > Just curious.. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 18:45:26 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:45:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0912281745w4a611714k91a4e420948290a8@mail.gmail.com> I ran 15 races on Toyota R888s. Grip was fairly consistent. Would have run them a third year but for tread damage incurred showing off for Joe Alexander at Willow Springs in October : ( On Dec 28, 2009 3:26 PM, "Steven Belfer" wrote: I ran 10 race weekends on my Yoko A048R 205/60/15. By the 10th race, the tires had noticeably less grip. Just mounted a set of Nitto NT01's 205/50/15 and will try them when the new season begins. ~Steve On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > > Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire > > rules), done any back t... > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot... > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html ... From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 21:27:59 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> Message-ID: I'm running Hoosier R6's after Toyo RA-1's and will never go back. The RA-1's are great tires but nowhere near as fast as the Hoosiers Jim G RMVR -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:17 PM To: 'Bob Adams'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 15" tires I run on Yoko A048 and would say, after 2 or 3 laps they wake up when on the right pressure and last the whole distance. I know from a back to back test of a team over here that the Hoosiers Speedsters does have a very good peak grip for a couple of laps but then the tire don't seem to be usable anymore. Maybe this heat cycle theme. The Yoko don't reach the grip of the Hoosiers but is not much away from it but the tire does last for ages. I still run tires from 2008 and do very well on them including two hours Nordschleife two times. I think I'll do the first two race on them next year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 22:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] 15" tires Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ______________________________ _________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htm l You are subscribed as toodamnfunky at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 28 23:39:28 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Message-ID: <000301ca8851$ad524920$07f6db60$@com> Hi, I have a question about the Landrover crank seal conversion for the TR4. How is this splited seal moved over the rear mounting flange of the crank? How to install the spring that will come with the ring? Any photos available? Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 29 08:36:23 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:36:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal In-Reply-To: <001b01ca8886$09d214f2$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> References: <001b01ca8886$09d214f2$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <000101ca889c$af95db70$0ec19250$@com> Today I started developing a crank seal that don't need any change of the crankshaft. Only the aluminum ring has to be reworked on a lathe. So it should be a simple conversion and should doing better than the current market products. I'm now staying in contact with several sealing ring manufacturers for the developing and making of them. I let you know how it turns out. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Dezember 2009 13:54 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Chris, The rear seal is split, so it easily stretches to fit on the journal. The spring then clips together on the journal, then you position it into the groove in the seal. It is quite obvious once you look at the parts. Uncle Jack liked to trim a little off the edge of the seal, to shorten the overall length, so the seal will be tighter on the journal. For some time the seals we were getting did benefit from this. I find the seals we now get are the correct size, no trimming required. Sorry, no photos, as I am on holiday in the UK. Cheers. Henry Frye - Sent from Phone Triumph Technology Consultants 860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O) -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:11 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Hi, I have a question about the Landrover crank seal conversion for the TR4. How is this splited seal moved over the rear mounting flange of the crank? How to install the spring that will come with the ring? Any photos available? Cheers Chris You are subscribed as henry at henryfrye.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:31:56 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> Message-ID: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> Interesting. I've made up my mind, and know where most of the tires stand in relation to each other from the SCCA IT and SM world. Due to vintage organizations' tire rules on the east coast, competitors with 15" wheels, I feel, are at a competitive disadvantage to competitors on 14" wheels. Now that the Speedsters are made in a 14" rim size. It might be interesting if Classic Motorsports did a vintage tire test like they did a few years ago. Bob From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 30 08:52:22 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O/D Message-ID: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Gang, Happy New Year. I need some input on overdrive transmissions. Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 speed? I'm considering one for my TR6. Thanks, Bill PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; tough when a Mountie goes bad. From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Dec 30 10:23:23 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:23:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From kaskas at cox.net Wed Dec 30 11:08:21 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:08:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> I figure if you go to 14" you will create more tread heat without doubt and maybe be handy on a cold day or wet but they will also take away from braking effciency. I don't know the tread width difference but I expect it is smaller, very important. ---- Bob Adam I ds wrote: ============= Interesting. I've made up my mind, and know where most of the tires stand in relation to each other from the SCCA IT and SM world. Due to vintage organizations' tire rules on the east coast, competitors with 15" wheels, I feel, are at a competitive disadvantage to competitors on 14" wheels. Now that the Speedsters are made in a 14" rim size. It might be interesting if Classic Motorsports did a vintage tire test like they did a few years ago. Bob You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. -- Never be beaten by equipment From rodkent at cox.net Wed Dec 30 11:58:35 2009 From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jeff_durant at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 13:34:31 2009 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I vote for the CR set. Less weight and less parts to break. Still using Kastner 1.88 1st CR set with modified laygear bearings. Jeff D. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 To: ; ; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jeff_durant at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 30 14:52:39 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:52:39 +0100 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <001c01ca899a$69914f20$3cb3ed60$@com> I'm happily using my OD but driving a TR4. I could imagine that a 6 have even more profit from because of the extra power and gearing on long straights. While others smashing their engines at 7000 rpm you can coast at 6000. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 16:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] O/D Hi Gang, Happy New Year. I need some input on overdrive transmissions. Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 speed? I'm considering one for my TR6. Thanks, Bill PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; tough when a Mountie goes bad. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 30 15:02:53 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jeff_durant at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:35 PM To: rodkent at cox.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net; william.tobin3 at verizon.net; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D I vote for the CR set. Less weight and less parts to break. Still using Kastner 1.88 1st CR set with modified laygear bearings. Jeff D. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 To: ; ; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 30 15:12:57 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:12:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin Message-ID: I am in the process of replacing the bushes in the front and back eyes of my rear leaf springs. In doing so, I realized that the rear shackle was easy to detach but the spring won't come off of the front attachment pin. According to the FOT link below, it's clear that these are a notorious pain. See link: http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2003-12/msg00177.html Anyway, I realized that this pin is seized to the inner metal bush inside the front spring eye. When I move the spring up and down from the back, I can see that the pin is turning quite easily in the frame. This means that as the leaf spring flexes up and down, this pin is pivoting up and down in the frame. Is this thing supposed to move or should it stay put? ~Steve From adams910 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:57:14 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> References: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> Without a doubt Kas. Thats the reason in SCCAs GT classes, there is a weight penalty when going up from 13 to 15 rim sizes. Despite the drawbacks in rotating and unsprung weight, the tires run cooler which allows the use of a softer compound tire. This isnt an issue in classes that require DOT legal tires, since they vary rarely are manufactured with different compounds. It also should be a null point because the cars with 14 wheels have a lighter minimum weight than the TRs, which I think would cancel out any advantage to running a larger diameter tire. I think the issue to eastern/midwest TR racing community is the compound and tread design differences between the two tire sizes. The manufacturers build current treaded DOT-R tires in a 205/55 size which is legal under the vintage organizations rules (205/55 radials have the same overall diameter as a 205/60 bias-ply such as the Street TD), but the same tire model / compound (including the Street TD) are constructed in 205/50 sizes, which are not legal (sidewall is too short). The tires that are constructed in a 15 vintage legal size either have narrower tread widths (Vintage TDs and Bluestreaks- 5.50 tread width) or are too hard, get greasy, and heat cycle out way before the tread is used up (Speedsters and A048s). Oddly enough, all these tires are much more expensive and dont last as long as a modern 205/50/15 treaded R-DOT tire. Here is a handy calculator that shows how the sizes stack up.. http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit I know I might sound like a broken record to some and most of you guys arent racing to win, but its pretty fustrating for everyone involved to watch your car get outbraked, and the passing car leave 3ft of track width open on exit, while your car is dropping wheels just to keep up. Any thoughts? From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 30 17:16:35 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter Message-ID: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. Anyone ever used one? D From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 17:36:03 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Barr, Scott wrote: > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. :-) > Scott rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 18:02:57 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:02:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is this thing supposed to > move or should it stay put? Definitely should stay put. In fact, there is supposed to be a flat on the head of the pin, and a matching tab on the frame, to keep it from rotating. But if it's not clamped firmly together, the pin will work back and forth and eventually destroy the tab (found the same thing on my wrecked 3A). Before doing anything drastic, I would try soaking it in PB Blaster for a few days (longer if you have the patience) and then fabricating a simple puller from high tensile threaded rod (available from MMC, etc, not the threaded silly putty they sell at Home Depot), heavy flat washer (ditto) and a suitable spacer. Run a tap into the pin to clean up the threads; then double-nut the stud and torque it lightly into the pin (to ensure it bottoms). I believe this works much better than the method outlined at the link you gave, because there is no side force applied to the pin to make it bind (worse) in the frame tube. You also want the opposing force applied to the frame rail as close as possible, to reduce the chances of pulling the tube out of the frame. At any rate, I recently pulled a pin that may have been unmolested since 1956, and this method worked for me. I thought sure something would break, but it didn't. Randall From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 18:16:23 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:16:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Dec 30 18:27:46 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Originally the head of the pin had a flat that engaged a similar recess in the tube on the frame, keeping it from rotating. And yes, they are no fun to change. Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 18:28:29 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85.C2.08392.D3EFB3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini > Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. > Anyone ever used one? I have one on my daily driver TR3 (from TRF tho, not eBay) and I'm very happy with it. Some have reported problems though, with wires breaking inside the solenoid. I bought my next one from Ted S. as he supposedly has the solenoid wires secured to prevent this problem. (Haven't managed to try that one yet, though, the Stag it is for has other problems.) Be sure you get the one that matches your flywheel. There were at least 4 different flywheels used on the TR3/4 and two different types of starter. There are "high torque" replacements for both (only the pinion gear is different), but things don't work so well with mismatched components. ISTR the "press on" ring gear takes a 9 tooth pinion, while the "bolt on" ring gears take 10 teeth. Randall From mdhado at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 19:14:29 2009 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:14:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the 3.7 is the "baseline" or 1.0, then the 3.45 would be 3.45 / 3.7 = .93 output. The standard OD is about .82 so the 3.45 would be the equivalent of "half an overdrive", right? A friend of mine has a 3.45 and is considering an A-type OD so he would end up with .93 x .82 = .76. That's quite a reduction. Great for the open road but probably not for racing. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:36 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Barr, Scott wrote: > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. :-) > Scott rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 20:03:10 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:03:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? > > NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. Only if your math isn't so good. 3.45/3.70 = .93, not .80 Randall From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 20:40:49 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> I use one and it's great, half the weight too. jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:17 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. Anyone ever used one? D ______________________________ _________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htm l You are subscribed as toodamnfunky at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 30 21:22:41 2009 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:22:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, Putting one of these starters on my TR3 was by far the best inprovement Iv'e done. (no more being stuck on the false grid not being able to tell if the starter engaged or not because of the noise from the other cars). Ted has the best ones. Lorne > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:35 -0800 > From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter > > AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the > TR3/TR4. > Anyone ever used one? > > D > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 22:05:07 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:05:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> Message-ID: <00dd01ca89d6$d32e1620$798a4260$@com> A Mini racer friend had the solenoid wire problem last year at Lime Rock. Clearance on this car made it a real time consuming repair. Missed one session on track. If Ted has eliminated that problem I'd contact him! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 06:15:32 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca8a1b$55cf4ec0$016dec40$@net> One other thing to keep in mind if droppng down to 14" rims. Will you still have enough clearance for the brake rotors and calipers? If you have upgraded your brakes, this could be a problem. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:57 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 15" tires Without a doubt Kas. Thats the reason in SCCAs GT classes, there is a weight penalty when going up from 13 to 15 rim sizes. Despite the drawbacks in rotating and unsprung weight, the tires run cooler which allows the use of a softer compound tire. This isnt an issue in classes that require DOT legal tires, since they vary rarely are manufactured with different compounds. It also should be a null point because the cars with 14 wheels have a lighter minimum weight than the TRs, which I think would cancel out any advantage to running a larger diameter tire. I think the issue to eastern/midwest TR racing community is the compound and tread design differences between the two tire sizes. The manufacturers build current treaded DOT-R tires in a 205/55 size which is legal under the vintage organizations rules (205/55 radials have the same overall diameter as a 205/60 bias-ply such as the Street TD), but the same tire model / compound (including the Street TD) are constructed in 205/50 sizes, which are not legal (sidewall is too short). The tires that are constructed in a 15 vintage legal size either have narrower tread widths (Vintage TDs and Bluestreaks- 5.50 tread width) or are too hard, get greasy, and heat cycle out way before the tread is used up (Speedsters and A048s). Oddly enough, all these tires are much more expensive and dont last as long as a modern 205/50/15 treaded R-DOT tire. Here is a handy calculator that shows how the sizes stack up.. http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit I know I might sound like a broken record to some and most of you guys arent racing to win, but its pretty fustrating for everyone involved to watch your car get outbraked, and the passing car leave 3ft of track width open on exit, while your car is dropping wheels just to keep up. Any thoughts? You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 31 06:27:44 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:27:44 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot] Mini Starter - Solenoid Wire Breakage Message-ID: The fix for breaking solenoid wires is to apply silicone from a tube around the wires to keep them from vibrating and fatiguing. This wire breakage has occured with the Gustafson starters. Gustafson is aware of it and suggested the silicon as a preventive measure for units used in competition. I have one with this modification and never had a problem. I also have one of Ted Schumacher's starters and have never experienced a problem with it. I dont know what the differences are as I installed it several years ago and never looked at it again. Maybe Ted can expand on this.... > A Mini racer friend had the solenoid wire problem last year at Lime Rock. > Clearance on this car made it a real time consuming repair. > Missed one session on track. > If Ted has eliminated that problem I'd contact him! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 31 09:42:43 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:42:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > In doing so, I realized that the rear shackle was easy to detach but > the spring won't come off of the front attachment pin. According to > the FOT link below, it's clear that these are a notorious pain. > See link: > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2003-12/msg00177.html I posted the e-mail to which you linked. The pickle-fork-as-a-lever method did indeed work, after I did these two things: 1. I found that the pin was stuck because it was bent. The car must have been in an accident that bent the part of the pin that goes inside the leaf spring, This prevented the pin from moving inward after about 1/2 inch or so. Unfortunately, a little of the bent part was already in the frame bushing. I cut the exposed portion of the pin even with the bushing with a Sawzall to alleviate this problem. 2. I borrowed an oxy-acetylene torch from work. I enlisted a friend to help me. We took turns spraying the pin with Aerokroil, swearing, beating on the pickle fork end with a BFH, swearing, and heating the frame. The pin came out. Good luck with yours and Happy New Year! From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 09:45:38 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <001c01ca8a11$a9ee9b4a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> References: <001c01ca8a11$a9ee9b4a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <468186.19539.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Henry and Friends I have one of the high torque starters on the TR4 - got it from Ted. It has been perfect - will surely get another one for the TVR. I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular starter clone. -They are remanufactured in Texas - USA (claim to be nippon-denso) -gear ration 4:1 instead of 3:1 6 adjustment positions for mounting 8.5 lbs - is this less than the high torque starters we all currently use? anyway - thanks all Dennis From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu Dec 31 11:13:00 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin References: Message-ID: <0B5489C76C5B438296B05C2DCED0CDA6@elliott7455dae> When I restored my 1958 TR3A from 1987 to 1990, I had the body off. I couldn't get these front pins out. This was with 80,300 miles on the TR from new. But there is no problem to remove or replace these springs with the body off. In 2000, I drove my TR3A from Montreal to VTR in Portland Oregon (total mileage 7250 miles) and about 7 miles from home one of my rear springs broke. I limped the rest of the way home. The only way I could remove the springs from this front pin was to un-bolt the body and I jacked up the rear about 8 " so I could slide the original springs off - towards the outside. It was no big deal. So my TR still has these front pins after 52 years. But the flat is still there to ensure that the pin doesn't rotate. If it could, I would have replaced them. Don Elliott, Original Owner 102,000 miles driven since 1990 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FOT" ; "Steven Belfer" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin > Originally the head of the pin had a flat that engaged a similar recess in > the > tube on the frame, keeping it from rotating. > > And yes, they are no fun to change. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Dec 31 10:14:11 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: <1710606693.5655411262279651299.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I can highly recommend Spruell Motorsports - I purchased a new set of Panasports for my 63 Spit in the fall. Great folks to deal with. I needed a little custom machining to clear the Summers Brothers hub flange, the work was perfect and they arrived in less than a week. They were also about $20 less per wheel than Averill, who are also good folks... Just my additional $.02, but, used wheels with unkown histories in an open Spit is living rather dangerously! The confidence you'll have with new wheels will be reflected on-track!!!! Hope this helps! Steve Groh Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering To: fot Sent: 2009-12-30 21:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Thu Dec 31 12:17:47 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:17:47 EST Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter Message-ID: <46f5.5c13d849.386e52db@aol.com> Ted's are the BEST ones...they work great in my 16:1 comp. racer....RICK Kristoff In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:09:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: Henry and Friends I have one of the high torque starters on the TR4 - got it from Ted. It has been perfect - will surely get another one for the TVR. I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular starter clone. -They are remanufactured in Texas - USA (claim to be nippon-denso) -gear ration 4:1 instead of 3:1 6 adjustment positions for mounting 8.5 lbs - is this less than the high torque starters we all currently use? anyway - thanks all Dennis You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Dec 31 13:36:34 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:36:34 EST Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: Gotta back up that recommendation. If buying Panasports these are the only source worth considering. Best price and apparently, best service as well. In a message dated 12/31/2009 12:34:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: I can highly recommend Spruell Motorsports - I purchased a new set of Panasports for my 63 Spit in the fall. Great folks to deal with. I needed a little custom machining to clear the Summers Brothers hub flange, the work was perfect and they arrived in less than a week. They were also about $20 less per wheel than Averill, who are also good folks... Just my additional $.02, but, used wheels with unkown histories in an open Spit is living rather dangerously! The confidence you'll have with new wheels will be reflected on-track!!!! Hope this helps! Steve Groh Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering To: fot Sent: 2009-12-30 21:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Dec 31 16:40:00 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front suspension Message-ID: <4B3D3650.3090100@cfl.rr.com> What is the combination of mounting point bushings or parts (if any) to allow mounting TR4A and later lower control arms to the TR3 frame mount points? thxx, Bob From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Dec 31 22:10:11 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:10:11 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery Message-ID: Lister's, I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4. Obviously I am making the following assumptions: - 1. Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head. Say, on the firewall next to the battery 2. Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type 3. Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap fitted to expansion/recovery tank 4. Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over pressure My questions are: - 1. Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system? 2. Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port? 3. Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system as well? Thanks in advance Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Dec 28 19:52:47 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:52:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps Message-ID: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com> Friends, I am looking for a set of four (or whatever number I can find!) of these specific 50's era CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps. I'd be happy to even get one, at least, to feel like I have a start. If any of you are the type that have hoards of parts laying about, or know someone that does, please take a look around or ask those buddies. This one has been just out of reach for too long. One or two has come up on Ebay, but I haven't managed to snag them. If you have 'em, let me know your price. Just to mention it, I'd also be happy to consider them in trade towards my silicone valve cover gaskets, etc. Just let me know! Link below is photo of cap in case the image didn't come through the e-mail. Thanks. --Justin Wagner http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!Bh0O4pgBGk~$(KGrHqUH-C8EsM(4qTirBLK+yjFDkw~~_12.JPG From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 31 17:21:58 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:21:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads Message-ID: Are these rare? I have one lying around and I'm wondering what to ask for it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 1 03:08:15 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:08:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601ca726e$347348e0$9d59daa0$@com> A good paint polish is working well too on this subject. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Horstkorta Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 02:31 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy Hello: I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the inside and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a terry cloth towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows are virtually as good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked the Internet and Novus has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial interest in this product, just want to pass along the info for a product that worked for me. Gary 69 TR6 62 TR4 You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From gp89 at charter.net Tue Dec 1 03:41:30 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 2:41:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20091201054130.WX4E7.9555245.root@mp07> Great stuff. I keep a bottle of 1 and 2 in the saddlebag. Gets rid of the clouds left behind when I don't apply the rain x properly. Jeff Senty ---- Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic > windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on > their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety > hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, > but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found > in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had > purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to > clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Dec 1 17:15:00 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block Message-ID: Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 17:20:47 2009 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block Message-ID: Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 1 18:22:44 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:22:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block References: Message-ID: What a place to start bringing the old website back to life. I guess thats what infamy is all about. Gee thanks Brad. Bob ps: I know the pictures wont make it through Salt Lake City but I've attached a few pics of what we broke recently for your special pleasure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Vent-A-Block > Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our > website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident > occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this > amazing new product. > > Susan took the time to document his efforts and > although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't > here is the new link to it: > > http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ > > Enjoy! > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 007.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 009.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CVAR Nov 09 No 67 tranny damage 010.jpg] From robertten1 at aol.com Tue Dec 1 18:48:26 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Ummm ... what size catch tank is used, if at all, with this type vent system ? Curious ... slightly, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph ; Triumphs Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 7:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block Due to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our website. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident occur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this amazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and although many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't here is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 1 19:01:08 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:01:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vent-a-block In-Reply-To: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC410A72C39FE7-C08-109C4@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> for total containment: a hot tub for four people Ummm ... what size catch tank is used, if at all, with this type vent system Curious ... slightly, ob T -----Original Message----- rom: Brad Kahler o: Friends of Triumph ; Triumphs Triumphs at autox.team.net> ent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 7:15 pm ubject: [Fot] Vent-a-block ue to server changes at our ISP I'm in the process of updating our ebsite. Several years ago Bob Kramer had an unfortunate incident ccur at Mosport. Bob capitalized on the situation to develop this mazing new product. Susan took the time to document his efforts and lthough many of you have already seen this but for those that haven't ere is the new link to it: http://campkahler.com/ventablock/ Enjoy! Brad ou are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 1 19:16:29 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Custom Trailer for Small Bore Race Cars & Small Collector Cars In-Reply-To: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4108ACDCB61A-37AC-B9A5@webmail-d078.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC410C9805F2A3-C08-10D82@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I engaged a high quality trailer manufacturer to develop an open trailer to my specifications. Objectives: Heavy Duty Light Weight Low Cost Features: Front Fairing EZ Loading Garagable Flat Strap Winch Objectives appear to be mutually exclusive, but it appears that they have been achieved. Base Price will be under $2,000 If anyone has been in search of such a trailer, I have initial pictures and costs are forthcoming. Contact me for pictures and your level of interest. Regards, Joe A From britbits at netzero.com Tue Dec 1 20:17:55 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:17:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy In-Reply-To: <12DA79FF-4702-4ADD-BB9D-7FCCFEDE3B87@bnj.com> References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> <12DA79FF-4702-4ADD-BB9D-7FCCFEDE3B87@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001f01ca72fe$0b2b30c0$e6513542@jrg> Actually, there is a #3. Really abrasive. The Container Store used to carry the Novus polishes. I used 1, 2, and 3 when building custom hi-brite LCD monitors in custom frames. Did ok on the plexiglass. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:22 PM To: Gary Horstkorta Cc: 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy No question, best plastic polish I've ever tried. comes in two forms that i know of #1 and #2. #2 has some fine grit to it and removes scratches. Also apparently fills them somehow. Probably a soluble polymer like the old eagle One plastic polish had (it was really good too, but Valveoline changed the formula and now it sux) #1 is more of a cleaner/polish and fills scratches but doesn't buff. Both are magic and great for lexan shields. My helmet visors last 10X longer because of these products. On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" > plastic windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my > TR6 were on their way to being opaque which made driving with the top > up a safety hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic > cleaner & polish, but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of > plastic polish I found in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus > Plastic Polish No. 2. I had purchased this product a few years ago > from the local TAP Plastics store to clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. > > > > Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the > inside and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a > terry cloth towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows > are virtually as good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked > the Internet and Novus > has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial > interest in this product, just want to pass along the info for a > product that worked for > me. > > > > Gary > > > > 69 TR6 > > 62 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=zNlw_DCFaGLLXG-SWrUPZQAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 1 22:22:59 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy References: <000001ca7225$e20a1b30$a61e5190$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <012201ca730f$83bd10b0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I use a product called Plexus on the plexiglas hoods on Isolettes (infant incubators) at work. Also on my visor and many other things. Works great, but don't inadvertently inhale any fumes. News Flash!!!!: NO snow fell in Erie in November! First time since 1936, I think, that it didn't snow in November in Erie! (Notice I didn't mention October?) Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Horstkorta" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Plastic Window Remedy > Hello: > > > > I thought I'd pass along a quick remedy to the dreaded "cloudy" plastic > windows that affect soft tops over time. The windows in my TR6 were on > their way to being opaque which made driving with the top up a safety > hazard. I first tried using Mequiar's PlastX, a plastic cleaner & polish, > but with no improvement. Next, I tried a bottle of plastic polish I found > in the back of my garage cabinet called Novus Plastic Polish No. 2. I had > purchased this product a few years ago from the local TAP Plastics store to > clean the plastic windshield on my racecar. > > > > Using a microfiber hand applicator I applied the polish to both the inside > and outside of my tops plastic windows then wiped it with a terry cloth > towel. After about thirty minutes of work, the windows are virtually as > good as new...I was amazed at the results. I checked the Internet and Novus > has a website at www.novuspolish.com. FYI, I have no financial interest in > this product, just want to pass along the info for a product that worked for > me. > > > > Gary > > > > 69 TR6 > > 62 TR4 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 2 06:44:07 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:44:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track Message-ID: There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap in Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 2 07:36:55 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From atr6racer at hotmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:56:14 2009 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:56:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: , <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Lots of pictures still coming in. Check out this website, there are many photos of victory circle with thr FOT coat of arms and the race, http://photobyedmund.smugmug.com/Runoffs/EP/09252009-Race-1/9141788_iRsiL#668 605985_LP9GZ Sam > To: s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am > Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > > There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap > n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > http://www.fot-racing.com > > ot at autox.team.net > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 2 13:40:08 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:40:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track In-Reply-To: References: , <8CC4174076F734B-3C64-3EA0@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701A4D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Joe! How the heck did you manage to "sneak" that FOT logo onto the podium?? I pictured a tiny little sticker on the wall behind the drivers. Cripes, I'm guessing the more observant sponsors are wondering how much that unidentified company had to pay for that awesome front-and-center feature. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Halkias Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:56 PM To: n197tr4 at cs.com; s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track Lots of pictures still coming in. Check out this website, there are many photos of victory circle with thr FOT coat of arms and the race, http://photobyedmund.smugmug.com/Runoffs/EP/09252009-Race-1/9141788_iRsi L#668 605985_LP9GZ Sam > To: s.janzen at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:36:55 -0500 > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > any podium pictures with the FOT coat of arms in the center? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Janzen > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:44 am > Subject: [Fot] Sam Halkias in Road & Track > > > There's a really nice 1/2 page(!) photo of Sam doing his victory lap > n Peter Egan's Runoffs article in the current issue of Road & Track > You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > http://www.fot-racing.com > > ot at autox.team.net > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as atr6racer at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slid eid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Dec 2 14:13:19 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:13:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Mike Paradise Message-ID: <4B16D86F.10809@pobox.com> Sorry to bomb the list. He's not responding to emails to mikeparadise at comcast.net. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 2 19:24:54 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Message-ID: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 2 19:58:08 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:58:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> there is a guy who converts the OEM tachs to electric. he would be listed in the British Motor Trade Association membership website -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Hassall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From GRMTim at aol.com Wed Dec 2 20:47:51 2009 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:51 EST Subject: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: A lot of people had comments and most had positive things to say about our idea. 1. No Spitfire drivers are left out, as they are continuation cars. Hi Tim, Any chance of expanding the years up to at least 1972. Alot of Spit and GT6 drivers will be left out if you cut it off at 1965. Thanks Andy Stark 72 Gt6 72 Spitfire. 2. As for schedule, I thought that was in the original release. The events are SVRA Roebling in April, the Mitty at Road Atlanta, the first weekend in May. Mid Ohio SVRA in June and then HSR Savannah in October. 3. As for adding other events. It is our intent to host a four event series this year which is manageable. Once this has succeeded, we will most likely widen the series and invite other sanctioning bodies to get involved. 4. As for other smaller sanctioning bodies. I heartily agree that everyone does things a little differently and some offer more track time for less money than HSR and SVRA. That said, while we like and respect and write about all sanctioning bodies and will continue to do so, the guys at SVRA and HSR asked me for ideas to make my crowd (you guys) feel more at home at their events again and this small-bore series is what we came up with. Obviously, if you support it, I will have ammo to go to bat next year for more of this type of stuff and an expanded schedule. If you poo poo it, this whole idea will be much more difficult. 5. Someone asked about enduro length. The races will be 40-60 minutes, depending on the event with a mandatory pit stop. JK Jackson and I will use this format to share the TR3. The idea was to make car sharing practical. 6. Any other questions, let me know. I am here night and day. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Dec 2 20:49:21 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Try Nissonger, I understand the conversion to your Tach may cost about $350 (?). I priced up the conversion a couple months ago for my Spit. Check their website, not sure on the spelling, also listed in Hemmings. Bob T -----Original Message----- From: n197tr4 at cs.com To: jhassall at blacksburg.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? there is a guy who converts the OEM tachs to electric. he would be listed in the British Motor Trade Association membership website -----Original Message----- From: J.C. Hassall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:24 pm Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Dec 2 21:27:27 2009 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:27:27 EST Subject: [Fot] change of email address Message-ID: I need to get the FOT digest sent to my new email address instead of the old one which I am about to discontinue. The old one is Guyots3 at wmconnect.com The new one is lordleonusa at yahoo.com nothing to do with AOL so MJB should be happier! How do I do this please? Many Thanks Leon Guyot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Thu Dec 3 00:03:55 2009 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:03:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> <8CC41DB93EE8E44-3C64-1211C@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> <8CC41E2BB2D0065-5A10-3BC@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B1762DB.4000501@cyberspeedway.net> MO-MA (mother Margaret) in Albuquergue is a Smiths and Jaeger expert repair shop. She covered factory warranty repairs for Leyland. I had her build an electric tach for my TR6 with 0-8000 rpm artwork which looks just like the stock tach. She recalibrates speedos to match your diff ratio and tire size also. MO-MA 1321 2nd st NW Albuquerque, NM 505 766 6661 Greg Lund From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 3 00:27:17 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:27:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] change of email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B176855.2040504@bradakis.com> > I need to get the FOT digest sent to my new email address instead of the > old one which I am about to discontinue. > > The old one is Guyots3 at wmconnect.com > > The new one is lordleonusa at yahoo.com > > nothing to do with AOL so MJB should be happier! > > How do I do this please? > You go to the admin link included in every message. You unsubscribe your old address. You subscribe your new one. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 3 03:48:05 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:48:05 +0100 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000601ca7406$1af01d50$50d057f0$@com> I have implanted a Porsche 944 tach into my TR4 using the stock face and housing. It has up to 8000 rpm and does work fine so far. The stock finger of the TR4 is quite heavy so the tach does wave for a moment after shifting. The face for the 8000 rpm I made with a CD label kit. In AutoCad I made the new numbers and printed it on the CD label, did cut it out and put the sticker onto the face. The cost for this is the Porsche tach (about 50$) and the CD label sticker. Cheap stuff. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von J.C. Hassall Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 03:25 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? Folks, Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it doesn't. tia jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 3 07:51:59 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:51:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Jim, I purchased one from Summit Racing, not very expensive if I remember correctly. It dropped right in but I had to machine up a face ring out of delrin, used the ring to clamp it to the dash by tapping two holes in the ring, putting in some threaded rod, sticking the rod through the dash and putting nuts on the back side. It turned out pretty clean if your not a stickler for originality. Next time I go out to the shop I will take some pictures and email them to you since it is out right now for my rebuild. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?oci d=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_1:092009 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 3 07:54:59 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:54:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, J.C. Hassall wrote: > Folks, > > Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a > perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if it > doesn't. APT Instruments (www.gaugeguys.com) will pull your mechanical tach guts an install the guts from a Smiths electric tach for roughly $200. It's not cheap, but it looks right. I did this on my street car andit seems to work okay. If you want to do it yourself, I think the screws holding the tach face to the guts are the same for the big TRs and other British cars that use Smiths tachs, so in theory you can pop the needle off, remove the screws from the face plate and switch the guts. But gaugeguys are pretty good, IMHO. I had mine done maybe 5 years ago. > tia > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Dec 3 07:57:17 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:57:17 EST Subject: [Fot] change of email address Message-ID: In a message dated 12/03/2009 1:43:22 AM Central Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > You go to the admin link included in every message. You unsubscribe > your old address. You subscribe your new one. > While that seems reasonable for us common folk, now that Leon is a 'Lord,' surely one of the surfs should do that for him. Bill (Damdinger) With tongue planted firmly in cheek. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 3 09:03:48 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:03:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] change of email address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091203160348189.CNCE20286@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> > How do I do this please? Click on the link at the bottom of every message. At the very bottom of the web page, click the button that says "Unsubscribe or change options". On the next page, fill in your email address & password (or click the "Password reminder" button if you've forgotten your password). Once you've logged in, the configuration page allows you to specify a new email address. Randall From cak at dimebank.com Thu Dec 3 16:28:49 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:28:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> Most gauge shops will do this, including gaugeguys.com. I had mine done locally (at Palo Alto Speedo) ... I *might* have saved enough in shipping to cover their higher price :-) The thing to realize about this conversion is that the electronics are fairly modern - which means that they'd like to have something like reasonably consistent voltage. If your TR4 is still running a generator, you may not like the results. I believe that something like http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm would be a good way to fix that problem, short of the alternator conversion - I'm planning an alternator conversion eventually, so I haven't had a chance to play with one. chris From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 3 18:16:11 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:16:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> References: <4B1849B1.8060905@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <427B5C15C8A44F23980A0850AF27EFD1@jdnet.deere.com> > which means that they'd like > to have something like reasonably consistent voltage. If your > TR4 is still running a generator, you may not like the results. Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. IMO alternators give even higher voltage swings than generators, mostly at high charging currents with the unit cold. And they don't always keep up with the electrical load with the engine idling; so any 'modern' instrument needs to take all that into account. > I believe that something like > > http://www.dimensionengineering.com/AnyVoltMicro.htm > > would be a good way to fix that problem, Interesting device, but it's maximum input is only 14v, while most alternators will put out 15v on cold start. Not to mention the spikes when a load is suddenly removed (like turning off the headlights). TR2-4 generators can also get into the 15v range, with light loads (no-load voltage is supposed to be set to between 15.6 and 16.1 volts). -- Randall From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Dec 3 21:14:19 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> References: <4B172176.90100@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4D23AD79925C4980B574EB94DF7CA8F9@ComputerPC> I'm using a Stewart Warner 5 in. tach that I got from Racer Parts Wholesale. Nisonger is converting our mech. tachs to electronic but its pretty expensive, I understand. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? > Folks, > > Does anyone know of an electric tach that will fit in the TR4 bezel? In a > perfect world it would fill the entire face, but I can make a faceplate if > it doesn't. > > tia > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From cak at dimebank.com Fri Dec 4 14:37:22 2009 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:37:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> > Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! In another car, I've had problems with voltage swings and electronics - a rally computer, something *made for automotive use* would reset itself mid-event, apparently because of voltage issues. The manufacturers realized that this was a problem and sell another box to do "voltage conditioning" :-) Dunno. All in all, a mechanical tach might be a better way to go in our old cars! From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Dec 4 16:23:14 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:23:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] in search of .010" rod bearing shell Message-ID: I had a set of AE Glacier .010" rod bearings for a TR4 moly-coated and one of the shells was damaged by the cooking process. Any chance somebody has a spare lying about or is in need of a partial set? I'd hate to waste the other 7 half shells. They are stamped S6832SA and the box shows B4331SA 010 as a part number. Bob Kramer From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Dec 4 16:54:39 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:54:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <4B19A13F.5000608@blacksburg.net> On 12/4/2009 4:37 PM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> Chris, I'm not sure I understand this statement. > > My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is that the > tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful measurements but the > little that I did led me to believe that the voltage was likely to drop > *below* the critical voltage of whatever regulator is now inside the > tach shell! > > In another car, I've had problems with voltage swings and electronics - > a rally computer, something *made for automotive use* would reset itself > mid-event, apparently because of voltage issues. The manufacturers > realized that this was a problem and sell another box to do "voltage > conditioning" :-) > > Dunno. All in all, a mechanical tach might be a better way to go in our > old cars! I'm sadly coming to the same conclusion. I thought about designing a voltage conditioner, but decided I've created enough "side projects" with this car :-/ To compound the voltage problem, many of the tachs I've looked at won't work with my Crane ignition, and there's no chance I'll give it up. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 4 18:40:58 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:40:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> > My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is > that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful > measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that > the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage > of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! Very possibly, my point was just that I don't think an alternator conversion is going to fix that; unless your alternator puts out enough at idle to keep up with the maximum load. Even the 60 Amp Ford alternator on my TR3A wouldn't keep up with headlights plus radiator fan, at idle. IOW the problem is not your charging system, it's the tach (assuming that the wiring is sound, etc.). Any "reasonable" car electronic device should work down to at least 10v and up to at least 16v (and withstand pulses much higher than that). (If memory serves, the tractor company I work for insists that our devices work properly from 7 volts to 30 volts, not sure what the impulse rating is.) BTW, Jim, you might look at a MSD tach adapter. One of their units should make almost any tach work with a Crane XR700. -- Randall From jmwagner at greenheart.com Fri Dec 4 20:58:55 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:58:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist Message-ID: <4B19DA7F.5070206@greenheart.com> 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no connection.... --Justin 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 4 23:51:58 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:51:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] electric tach to fit TR4 tach body? In-Reply-To: <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> References: <4B198112.10308@dimebank.com> <10C229869B9C469698B172902E860FA3@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: actually, a surprising number of automotive devices won't work well at 12 volts. On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Randall wrote: >> My experience with the electric tach conversion in my TR4A is >> that the tach is not very happy. I wasn't able to do careful >> measurements but the little that I did led me to believe that >> the voltage was likely to drop *below* the critical voltage >> of whatever regulator is now inside the tach shell! > > Very possibly, my point was just that I don't think an alternator conversion > is going to fix that; unless your alternator puts out enough at idle to keep > up with the maximum load. Even the 60 Amp Ford alternator on my TR3A > wouldn't keep up with headlights plus radiator fan, at idle. > > IOW the problem is not your charging system, it's the tach (assuming that > the wiring is sound, etc.). Any "reasonable" car electronic device should > work down to at least 10v and up to at least 16v (and withstand pulses much > higher than that). (If memory serves, the tractor company I work for > insists that our devices work properly from 7 volts to 30 volts, not sure > what the impulse rating is.) > > BTW, Jim, you might look at a MSD tach adapter. One of their units should > make almost any tach work with a Crane XR700. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 4 23:52:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:52:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Local Car Collection for sale Message-ID: <4B1A033C.8020105@microworks.net> NFI Looks like a guy (Phil Smid) that both Bill Close and I know is selling his cars. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1494454140.html From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 4 23:54:17 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:54:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The others... Message-ID: <4B1A0399.9090300@microworks.net> Again, NFI http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/1494504371.html From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Dec 6 08:20:01 2009 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (ofbracing) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:20:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us in the Ghetto. Don -----Original Message----- From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend to pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? Bruce Stutzman WPTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ofbracing" To: ; Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. > > In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit organizers > that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. In > the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given us > lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure there > are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. > > This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming > up > December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and > the > free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday > night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf n' > Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are > invited. Don From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 6 08:34:05 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:34:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist References: <4B19DA7F.5070206@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <2661B693E3344334A52D5D97A8696FB0@latitudefb1e41> If any FOT are looking for TR3/4 con rods contact me. I have many, too many. I don't think I am alone in this:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist >4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no > connection.... --Justin > > 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods > > I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have > any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Dec 6 15:04:07 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:04:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <2661B693E3344334A52D5D97A8696FB0@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000001ca76c0$08af8740$6401a8c0@blake1> Not as many as Bob but I've got some paper weights too. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:34 AM To: Justin Wagner; Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist If any FOT are looking for TR3/4 con rods contact me. I have many, too many. I don't think I am alone in this:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Fot] 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist >4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods on Craigslist .... I have no > connection.... --Justin > > 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods > > I have one set of 4 Triumph TR4A Connecting Rods It's 75 obo If you have > any questions please call me at 612 209 6260 .. > > http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/pts/1494725621.html > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Dec 6 18:11:25 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shelby Daytona Coupe Message-ID: <20091207011143.E571D18765C@autox.team.net> Not Triumph but cool auto stuff. The Discovery Channel is running a special about the Shelby Daytona Coupe starting tonight. Check listings if interested. I'm sure there will be some rebroadcast. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 92532 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sun Dec 6 18:45:59 2009 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:45:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series Message-ID: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Bruce! Are you kidding? Get in? Do you have any idea who you are dealing with here? See you this weekend, Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: ofbracing >Sent: Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM >To: stutzmans at comcast.net, FOT >Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series > >Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us in >the Ghetto. Don > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] >Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM >To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > >We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and >Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend to >pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. >Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? >Bruce Stutzman >WPTA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ofbracing" >To: ; >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series > > >> It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. >> >> In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit organizers >> that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. In >> the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given us >> lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure there >> are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. >> >> This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming >> up >> December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and >> the >> free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday >> night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf n' >> Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on are >> invited. Don >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From stutzmans at comcast.net Sun Dec 6 21:09:00 2009 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series In-Reply-To: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9236805.1260150359757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3BB90F6B976D48E1BB296A1F5156E773@ComputerPC> Mike, The last time I had a pint with you it was Old Engine Oil. I still have the empty bottle on my work bench. What hotel should be book! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jackson" To: "ofbracing" ; ; "FOT" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series > Bruce! Are you kidding? Get in? Do you have any idea who you are > dealing with here? > > See you this weekend, > > Mike Jackson > > -----Original Message----- >>From: ofbracing >>Sent: Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM >>To: stutzmans at comcast.net, FOT >>Subject: [Fot] FW: New Small-Bore race series >> >>Bruce, we'll take care of it for you. It'll be good to have you with us >>in >>the Ghetto. Don >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Stutzman [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] >>Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:01 PM >>To: ofbracing; GRMTim at aol.com; FOT at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series >> >>We've heard so much about the Triumph Ghetto over the years from Leo and >>Dean that Ed Major and I are finally going to Roebling Road next weekend >>to >>pertake of this old fashioned southern hospitality. >>Could somebody add us to their crew or otherwise help us get in? >>Bruce Stutzman >>WPTA >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "ofbracing" >>To: ; >>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [Fot] New Small-Bore race series >> >> >>> It's great that the big organizers are finally getting interested in us. >>> >>> In the meantime, we shouldn't forget the smaller not-for-profit >>> organizers >>> that have been supporting us all along and usually at much lower cost. >>> In >>> the Southeast we're fortunate to have the VDCA, which has always given >>> us >>> lots of track time AND has always included a free Enduro. I'm sure >>> there >>> are similar groups elsewhere that deserve our continued support. >>> >>> This seems like a good time to remind everyone about VDCA's event coming >>> up >>> December 11-13 at Roebling Road. In addition to tons of track time and >>> the >>> free Enduro, they're doing an oyster roast and pig pickin' on Saturday >>> night. On Friday night the Triumph Ghetto will be doing our usual Surf >>> n' >>> Turf dinner extravaganza and all Triumph drivers, crew and hangers-on >>> are >>> invited. Don >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> >> >>You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Dec 7 09:48:38 2009 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover Message-ID: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> I got a new trailer, and the little-used cover I had for my last trailer doesn't fit. It is a 3 layer polypropylene cover designed to go over a 20' x 8.5' enclosed box trailer, just like a big car cover. Made by Adco, new price about $200, zipper flaps on one side (I think it is designed to go over a travel trailer). One little 1" rip in one corner, one of the zippers is a little stiff but works. Clean and grey in color. Free to the first person that offers to pay shipping - if there's more than one of you, a pledge to donate to FOT will break the tie! Or, build a frame out of scrap and you have an instant garage. From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 7 12:43:38 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:43:38 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Dec 7 14:40:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AAE@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better leverage the donations? I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:44 PM To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Think Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 7 15:15:43 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:15:43 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/07/2009 3:41:47 PM Central Standard Time, sbarr at McCarty-Law.com writes: > Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to > better leverage the donations? > > I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. > Hi Scott... That's sure OK with me if you want to be the one to hold the funds and do the forwarding, but I was hoping to avoid any 'busy work" for anyone. Burt told me he plans to do this Jack Drews Memorial whether he gets any FOT funds or not, so there isn't going to really be any leverage involved. Past that it's just people deciding whether they want to participate. I've already sent him my contribution. Bill From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Dec 7 17:55:22 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:55:22 EST Subject: [Fot] For your consideration... Message-ID: Thanks Bill. I have already committed to Burt through one of his "Self Promoting" pleas. Ha ha Burt is a good fellow and certainly has my support. Especially if uncle jack is going to be involved. uncle jack did a lot of work on the 63 TR 4 that I now race. Cheers and I hope to see ALL FoT members and racers at next years' Kastner Cup which is being hosted by Heartland Vintage Racing at Heartland Park Topeka 19-20-21-22 August 2010. You can see more details by visiting _http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/_ (http://www.heartlandvintageracing.com/) Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO In a message dated 12/7/2009 2:33:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Amici Triumphi... Burt Levy is busy beating the bushes and trying to raise enough money to get another book published (in his Last Open Road series). In the real world books about motorsports have a very limited market. Burt has to 'self publish in order to get er done'. That takes money, which he raises by selling ads in an entertaining section of his books that mimics the ads in period motorsports magazines. Recall that we (the FOT) have purchased such ads in the past. Burt started his racing career in a ratty looking TR3. He proudly considers himself a member of the TRIUMPH community. His second book (Montezuma's Ferrari) was dedicated to our own Mike Belfer (Steve Belfer's dad, and my mentor). Now he, on his own, has decided to remember Jack Drews in the new book. That's a done deal and will happen whether or not he gets any funds from the FOT. I appreciate Burt's remembering Uncle Jack. As such, I've already sent Burt a contribution to help publish the new book. NO PRESSURE, but I encourage all of you, but especially if you were particularly close to Jack Drews, to consider doing the same. It does not have to be a big number. If you choose to do so, send your check payable to Thin k Fast Ink, 1010 Lake Street, Oak Park, Illinois, 60301. Bill Dentinger PS Oh yeah...Burt told me to tell you...if you need some ideas for motorsports related Gifts for the Holidays, you can visit his website at www.lastopenroad.com. I bought four pairs of earrings (grand daughters). It'll save me a shopping trip. You are subscribed as gsfuqua1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as gsfuqua1 at aol.com From bswope959 at msn.com Tue Dec 8 13:41:53 2009 From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:41:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover In-Reply-To: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> References: <73605EAB-B1B7-44BB-A242-BCD86A68CE51@comcast.net> Message-ID: I could put the cover to good use, I would be glade to pay shipping and is there any thing Elise I could do for you? Bill swope----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Free trailer cover I got a new trailer, and the little-used cover I had for my last trailer doesn't fit. It is a 3 layer polypropylene cover designed to go over a 20' x 8.5' enclosed box trailer, just like a big car cover. Made by Adco, new price about $200, zipper flaps on one side (I think it is designed to go over a travel trailer). One little 1" rip in one corner, one of the zippers is a little stiff but works. Clean and grey in color. Free to the first person that offers to pay shipping - if there's more than one of you, a pledge to donate to FOT will break the tie! Or, build a frame out of scrap and you have an instant garage. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as bswope959 at msn.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as bswope959 at msn.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue Dec 8 16:31:35 2009 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Does anyone know - Can we just send a donation through Pay-Pal to Burt's "thinkfast at mindspring.com" email address? If so - should be easy to add a note that it's from an FOT member in honor of Uncle Jack. I'd order one of his license plates, but I happen to drive a 1974 AMC Gremlin... ;-) Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 From: "Barr, Scott" Subject: Re: [Fot] For your consideration... To: , Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better leverage the donations? I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. Scott *********************************** From jacqulynmincheff at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 18:04:29 2009 From: jacqulynmincheff at hotmail.com (JACQULYN MINCHEFF) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:04:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I am trying to fulfill a large Xmas wish list for Kids ages 5-14 from the Community Transitional School for the homeless. I was wondering if anyone has connections with any companies that makes coats, toys, shoes etc....I have included the wish list from all the kids. I know it is short notice but they just sent it to me today. I really appreciate any help you guys could offer. You can learn more about them at www.transitionalschool.org Thanks! Jacqulyn Mincheff _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf] From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 8 19:39:44 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:39:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list References: Message-ID: <902222E111EB4A16AD136519369865E3@Bud> Hi..Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACQULYN MINCHEFF" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: [Fot] xmas wish list > Hi Everyone, > > I am trying to fulfill a large Xmas wish list for Kids ages 5-14 from the > Community Transitional School for the homeless. I was wondering if anyone > has > connections with any companies that makes coats, toys, shoes etc....I have > included the wish list from all the kids. I know it is short notice but > they > just sent it to me today. I really appreciate any help you guys could > offer. > You can learn more about them at www.transitionalschool.org Thanks! > > Jacqulyn Mincheff > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1 > &media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-U > S:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf] > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 8 20:10:57 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (CHIP COLLINGWOOD) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:10:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Scott Message-ID: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> Sad News...Bill Scott, owner of Summit Point Motorsports Park passed away yesterday morning. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 8 23:29:49 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:29:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 TR4 Message-ID: <4B1F43DD.30802@microworks.net> Really nice shot of Bob Tullius in the Group 44 TR4 in the West Palm Beach 1967 Gallery. Just an incredible archive of images! Each page brings another treasure From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 06:47:49 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:47:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Scott In-Reply-To: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> References: <380-22009123931057203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What a great place, and I used to see him a few years ago riding around the paddock on his Porsche (?)tractor. I hope it continues in it's present form and doesn't get converted to a country club. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:10 PM, "CHIP COLLINGWOOD" wrote: > Sad News...Bill Scott, owner of Summit Point Motorsports Park passed > away yesterday morning. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 09:11:55 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:11:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series is on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an opportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this in one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill says, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be interested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a group? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a larger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of Old Blue and/or Jack? If you're interested in contributing to a joint effort, please let me know and I'll coordinate it. Burt is calling me this morning to discuss costs and logistics. Scott B. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 9 09:57:24 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC4707D0AA2C11-906C-23AAA@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> Alexander Racing #197 & #97 is in for something -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:11 am Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of ld Blue and/or Jack? If you're interested in contributing to a joint effort, please let me now and I'll coordinate it. Burt is calling me this morning to discuss osts and logistics. Scott B. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Dec 9 10:04:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race, AutoX and Field Event Photos Message-ID: <4B1FD886.2000703@microworks.net> The FOT Listserv blocked the original email which I referenced in the email about the Group 44 TR4. I'll try again --------------------- Jim Bauder obtain permission from Al Clemens for me to create a Gallery on the DCTRA site for an incredible archive of over 1,200 Vintage Racing, AutoX and Field event photos from the early through mid 60's. Check out the close up candid photos captioned as Phil Hill (although it looks like Sterling Moss to me) and Innes Ireland at Sebring 1963. Plus the upside down MGA in a canal in Palm Beach with Scuba Divers pulling the car out of the water. Straight out of the Sly Stallone stinker "Driven" Cool Go-Kart photos in the Lakeland Autocross gallery Most of the photos are B&W with a few color shots. http://www.dctra.org/?p=689 From billdentin at aol.com Wed Dec 9 11:18:23 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. Bill Dentinger From billb at bnj.com Wed Dec 9 11:42:24 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:42:24 -1000 Subject: [Fot] For your consideration In-Reply-To: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> References: <002201ca785e$95843950$0a02a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <72477E3F-C37D-4F11-9CC1-3C5E4176F1A0@bnj.com> How cool is that, a Gremster. Do hot swedish babes correspond with you? On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Does anyone know - Can we just send a donation through Pay-Pal to Burt's > "thinkfast at mindspring.com" email address? If so - should be easy to add a > note that it's from an FOT member in honor of Uncle Jack. > > I'd order one of his license plates, but I happen to drive a 1974 AMC > Gremlin... ;-) > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:40:46 -0600 > From: "Barr, Scott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] For your consideration... > To: , > > Should we aggregate these gifts into one larger FOT "ad", in order to better > leverage the donations? > > I'm planning to send him a some bux either way. > > Scott > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From billb at bnj.com Wed Dec 9 12:01:58 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:01:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> I'll kick in. Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:18 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series > s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an > pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this > n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill > ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> > Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do > not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a > 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. > <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be > nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a > roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a > arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of > ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> > A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a > wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Dec 9 12:34:49 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kit Car Message-ID: Anyone interested in a kit car? http://charlottesville.craigslist.org/cto/1501592481.html John From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 13:27:33 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:27:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? >> I'm working on that with Burt. I'll be the collection point, if that's necessary (routing checks to Joe to run through the FOT account). Hopefully, there's a simpler way to do it. Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:02 PM To: billdentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book I'll kick in. Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:18 AM, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series > s on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an > pportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this > n one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill > ays, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> > Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do > not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a > 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. > <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be > nterested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a > roup? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a > arger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of > ld Blue and/or Jack? >>> > A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a > wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 9 13:32:25 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:32:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. >> [NOT dedicated to Jack, then] Whoops, my bad. Sorry. From: billdentin at aol.com [mailto:billdentin at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:18 PM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book <<< As Bill pointed out, the next installment of the Last Open Road series is on its way. Burt Levy is, again, self-publishing and there's an opportunity for the FOT to show its face as a sponsor. We've done this in one or more previous books in the series. This installment, Bill says, is to be dedicated to Uncle Jack. >>> Unless someone else has talked to Burt since I did, that is overstated. I do not know who the new book is dedicated to, but Burt was going to do a 'Memorial Ad' honoring Jack Drews. <<< Some of you have already sent in sponsorships. Would any of us be interested in putting together a joint sponsorship by the FOT as a group? I'm wondering whether we can put together enough funds to do a larger ad (maybe full-page?). Something perhaps with a nice photo of Old Blue and/or Jack? >>> A good idea to be pursued after we're done collecting, but Old Blue would be a wrong choice. Should be Jack and New Blue. Bill Dentinger From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 9 15:07:12 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Sponsorship? Next Last Open Road book In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701ACB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><8CC471320AAFBB2-30BC-182BE@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <797A177F-E8FB-4C6F-8325-2CC19792B225@bnj.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701AD2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <189216.35500.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott - count me in - let me know where and when to send a check. Dennis << Straight to Burt or is someone going to collect? >> I'm working on that with Burt. I'll be the collection point, if that's necessary (routing checks to Joe to run through the FOT account). Hopefully, there's a simpler way to do it. Scott From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 9 15:39:47 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kit Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B202733.6090408@bradakis.com> Gosh, just what I need right now, another major project! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 9 19:03:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:03:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle Message-ID: <4B2056D5.3040900@bradakis.com> http://wasatchfoodies.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37 mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Wed Dec 9 19:44:35 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:44:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle References: <4B2056D5.3040900@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <31E05E17B3F74875BF73AA174BD3CF74@Bud> Wonderful...thanks Mark!...It could happen to anyone!...Great Christmas Decoration! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Holiday Chuckle > http://wasatchfoodies.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=37 > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Wed Dec 9 23:28:56 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:28:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR6 here in town for sale Message-ID: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> NFI and do not know the owner. Some local TR Members could go look at it for you if interested. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/1502723546.html From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 10 00:35:06 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR6 here in town for sale In-Reply-To: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> References: <4B209528.1050008@microworks.net> Message-ID: <4B20A4AA.9090804@bradakis.com> Looks nice. Wish I had some money. I could do without the red piping, though. I wonder who the man in Utah might be? mjb. From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Dec 10 17:54:00 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Racer for sale Message-ID: Hello all, Prepped and truly turn-key TR4A Vintage Racer seriously for sale. After a few casual months on various race-car sales sites at a much higher price, it's time to get serious about getting it gone. 1965 TR4A SOLID AXLE with O.D. Word of mouth history has it as a SCCA car with a "Group 44 Prepped" connection up thru the early 70's. Resurrected in the 90's with each additional owner adding thousands of dollars but very limited use. And so it goes... Ready to go, limited use in the last year and looking for someone who will. $15,500 OBO/Interesting trade. Large spares package available. Can ship world-wide. Pictures and full specs on request [off list]. I know the car inside and out and can answer most any question. Not to worry anyone - it's not purple. Please spread the word. Don't make me go to E-Bay! PFI [purely financial interest] Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From dave at microworks.net Thu Dec 10 22:21:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Any one notice this car Message-ID: <4B21D6C2.60108@microworks.net> In the archive of Vintage photos that I posted the other day was a unique Corvette shown in the archive titled "courtland-al-race-6209" http://www.dctra.org/?p=689 It looks like a 62 Vette with the exception of the heavily modified nose and the glass bubble top canopy http://www.dctra.org/wp-content/gallery/VintageRacing/Races/Courtland%20AL%20Race%206209/Court%206209%2073.jpg It interested me so I Googled "corvette bubble top" and found a flyer showing the car is the 1960 Show Car. http://www.illustratedcorvetteseries.com/images/ICS_13_1960_XP-700.jpg Searching for XP-700 led me to this write up about this one-off car http://wikicars.org/en/Corvette_XP-700_concept There are some real treasures in this archive of high quality photos. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 11 13:20:46 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:20:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B04@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hey all, I've spoken with Burt Levy regarding the FOT's participation in an Uncle Jack memorial ad to be inserted in Burt's latest book in the Buddy Palumbo series, The 200mph Steamroller. Burt was already planning to do a small memorial ad - we can participate in that or we can do our own. I'd be inclined to take Burt up on his invitation to participate in what he's already planning to do - that would give us one larger placement, rather than two smaller ones. I've gotten responses from a few of you at this point - thanks! For the rest of you, if you're interested in participating, please let me know in the next few days. Scott From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 11 16:37:38 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:37:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B04@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> For those of you interested in making contributions, you can send checks to my work address: Scott Barr 2401 East Enterprise Avenue Appleton WI 54913-7887 Thanks! Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 (direct) www.mccarty-law.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message may be confidential or privileged. Only the intended recipient may read, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. The law requires this firm to inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication cannot be used for purposes of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. -----Original Message----- From: John Reed [mailto:John.Reed at wilson.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:59 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Let me know where to send the check. John On 12/11/09 2:20 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > Hey all, > > I've spoken with Burt Levy regarding the FOT's participation in an Uncle > Jack memorial ad to be inserted in Burt's latest book in the Buddy > Palumbo series, The 200mph Steamroller. > > Burt was already planning to do a small memorial ad - we can participate > in that or we can do our own. I'd be inclined to take Burt up on his > invitation to participate in what he's already planning to do - that > would give us one larger placement, rather than two smaller ones. > > I've gotten responses from a few of you at this point - thanks! For > the rest of you, if you're interested in participating, please let me > know in the next few days. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as john.reed at wilson.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. From earthron at yahoo.com Fri Dec 11 17:03:50 2009 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Help Needed Message-ID: <377540.20192.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is an email I recived from VARA concernig the proposed new track NE of Los Angeles. --- On Fri, 12/11/09, vara at rrevs.net wrote: > From: vara at rrevs.net > Subject: Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Help Needed > To: earthron at yahoo.com > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:42 PM > December 7, 2009 > > Dear Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park Supporters, > > Thank you all very much for your continued support of > FBMP. We are nearing the home stretch for L.A. county > approval of the project and hoping we can count on your > support once again. > > As you may recall from my letter in September, we were > very encouraged at the first hearing by the County Planning > Commission's staff recommendation of the project for > approval. We were then scheduled for our second public > hearing on December 2, but it was recently postponed and the > location changed by the county. The new date is this > Saturday February 6 at 11:00 a.m. in the Lancaster Regional > Public Library, 601 W. Lancaster Blvd., Lancaster, Calif. > Please plan to attend the hearing if you can. > > As you may have guessed, opponents asked for a change of > venue that they hope will benefit their cause. As with the > first hearing, interested persons can attend and will have > an opportunity to testify. We had a great turnout of > supporters last September in Los Angeles but with the second > hearing relocated to Lancaster, your support is even more > important. We hope you can join us. > > Many of you have called asking 'what can we do?' > We need more letters of support! > > The county is again accepting letters as part of its > consideration of the project. Opposition groups have > organized their own letter writing campaign and have sent > over 100 letters since the first hearing. If you did not > send a letter of support prior to the first hearing, you > have another chance to be heard. Letters should be > addressed to Mr. Jodie Sackett, Los Angeles County, > Department of Regional Planning, Room 1382, 320 West Temple > St., Los Angeles, CA 90012. Alternatively, you can e-mail > Jodie: jsackett at planning.lacounty.gov > with a copy to us. > > You can also send your support comments directly to Los > Angeles County Fifth District Supervisor Mike Antonovich via > e-mail at: FifthDistrict at lacbos.org. > If you do, please make sure to copy Jodie Sackett. > > If you would like to read about the project in detail > and view updates, all of the official documents (including > the Draft Environmental Impact Report) can be viewed on the > county's Web site: Click > Here > > Also, our own website is nearly complete; it will be the > go-to resource for the most current information about the > project. We will send out an announcement as soon as it is > ready. > > We have been working for seven years toward the dream of > creating the first new dedicated road racing facility in the > L.A. area in over fifty years. We're closer to approval > than ever, but not there yet. If you too want to see > Fairmont Butte Motorsports Park become a reality, please let > your voice be heard! > > Thank you again for your support. > > Respectfully, > > Thomas E. Malloy From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 11 20:19:06 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:19:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sigh Message-ID: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 11 20:24:48 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer Message-ID: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> FOT Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed trailer. So..... I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my specifications. I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and hobbyists. If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are featured alond with some of my other stuff. I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME COMMERCIAL CONTENT) Joe Alexander From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 21:24:32 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:24:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FA236DDD5D-63A8-8AA8@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Happy Birthday to you Mark, Thanks for all your hard work. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 11 21:31:46 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:31:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated... Joe A 13 candles, eh? seems like just yesterday -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 9:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Dec 11 21:43:26 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC48FCC72BAE9E-63A8-8D5C@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Happy Birthday to you Mark, Thanks for all your hard work. Cheers, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm Subject: [Fot] Sigh On occasion, sometimes frequently, sometimes not, I whine and moan about my duties as the chief Team.Net byte duster. Mostly it is just to vent some frustration, in general I am happy to do what it is I do for all the folks out there. One thing, though, does not happen very often, and I'm sure I've mentioned it before, and it is one aspect of managing these lists that I really do not like. I hate getting messages like this: My husband, Joe was a subscriber to your list. Joe died last week. I need to unsubscribe him from your list ... Whether I knew the person or not, if they were on a list I read or not, it doesn't really matter, it always makes me sad. Sometimes I do wish I were just a heartless bastard - but then again, I wouldn't have kept Team.Net alive for all these years if I were. And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this list what it has become. Happy Birthday to us. mjb. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 11 21:44:23 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:44:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Very nice Joe, I've been thinking about something very similar. How much? On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed > trailer. So..... > > I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single > axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my > specifications. > > I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently > unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and > hobbyists. > > If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of > the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are > featured alond with some of my other stuff. > > I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. > I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is > interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. > Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? > > Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME > COMMERCIAL CONTENT) > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 11 22:11:01 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:11:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> <8CC48FB26264C60-151C-585@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B2325E5.3020609@bradakis.com> n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > 13 candles, eh? seems like just yesterday Yes indeed, 13 lucky years. I had intended to send off a nice, happy message to note the occasion, but made the mistake of going through some Team.Net admin mail and found the note from Joe's widow about the datsun-roadster list. So it goes. I've got some Asleep at the Wheel playing, they always cheer me up. mjb. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Dec 12 09:58:00 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:58:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68C3DDC86A4F433192EDCDB107A3C173@KasPC> If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car company watch this. Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/liverpool/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8 401000/8401200.stm From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Dec 12 15:35:43 2009 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Where is this site to view trailers? Help, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: n197tr4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2009 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer Very nice Joe, I've been thinking about something very similar. How much? On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:24 PM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Let me digress for a moment. I wanted a second trailer other than my enclosed > trailer. So..... > > I have had exceptionally good experience with a series of homebuilt single > axle trailers. So I went to a highly regarded local fabricator with my > specifications. > > I think the outcome was outstanding and the trailer might meet a currently > unmet segment of the market....the small bore racers, autocrossers, and > hobbyists. > > If you look at photobucket.com/ambro you will find four pictures of > the trailer. Two work-in-process and two of the finished 'prototype' are > featured alond with some of my other stuff. > > I have 8-10 folks making inquiries and they are part of an EXCEL SPREADSHEET. > I suspect that 2-3 might be buyers if they are produced. The fabricator is > interested in doing more based on what I have told him about the market. > Anyone else want to get on the list after looking at finished trailer? > > Feel free to ask about anything else in my PHOTOBUCKET. (WARNING: SOME > COMMERCIAL CONTENT) > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as robertten1 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 12 15:39:06 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:39:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: <68C3DDC86A4F433192EDCDB107A3C173@KasPC> Message-ID: <92.13.01458.A8B142B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car > company watch this. Interesting stuff, thanks Kas. For those who had trouble with the link, this might work better: http://tinyurl.com/ygxana6 I particularly liked the comment about how the workers hate the managers because they used to hire workers who would work for less money. Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sat Dec 12 17:03:26 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:03:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> <8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > Where is this site to view trailers? > > Go to http://photobucket.com/ambro and there are some pics on page 2. mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Dec 12 17:27:13 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:27:13 EST Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke Message-ID: I have a fascinating book called "The Pride And The Fall" by Correlli Barnett. Subtitled "the dreams and illusion of Britain as a great nation". In it he breaks down the major industries and where they failed. The single thing I remember most were the shipbuilders during World War Two. Whilst America was building Victory ships at one a day to send over ...They were on STRIKE !!!!!!!! Why? They wanted extra pay for training the newbies in the yards. We never freakin learn and humans never change. In a message dated 12/12/2009 3:24:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes: > If you ever wonder what happened to the British (Triumph) car > company watch this. Interesting stuff, thanks Kas. For those who had trouble with the link, this might work better: http://tinyurl.com/ygxana6 I particularly liked the comment about how the workers hate the managers because they used to hire workers who would work for less money. Randall You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Dec 12 18:24:03 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer In-Reply-To: <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> References: <8CC48F1CB2E56DA-2548-246F0@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com><8CC4992932DD562-351C-149F6@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> <4B242F4E.5030507@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CC49AA174AA11F-6380-31A25@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I did more snow blowing today so I can position the trailer for loading my TR3A tomorrow. Then I should have more pictures. I am also working on a new design for securing the car to the trailer. I hate messing with straps and hooks. Fast and safe, if it works. It would be universal to most all trailers... Later.... -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: robertten1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] ARE CUSTOM TRAILER AN UPDATE-single axle purpose built car trailer robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > Where is this site to view trailers? > > Go to http://photobucket.com/ambro and there are some pics on page 2. mjb. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From s.janzen at comcast.net Sat Dec 12 19:41:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:41:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BBC - The failure of Triumph in Speke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71551985-14EE-4C00-8886-A5CDD404CCAA@comcast.net> all true, and I am sure worker issues contributed tremendously, but I have to side with the worker who blamed the product. In 1970 through 1973, Datsun sold 116,000 240Zs. By 1980, Datsun had sold over 500,000 Zs. Compare a 139 HP 260Z (6 cyl ) in 1975 to a 100 HP Triumph. Triumph sold 112,000 TR7s from 1975 through 1981. By the time Triumph introduced this car, Datsun had been at it with a better car for five years. I believe if there had been a better mousetrap, Triumph could have sold more, in spite of the quality issues. They tried to imitate rather than innovate. BTW, there's a great website called www.conceptcarz.com that has info on seemingly every car ever made. From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Dec 13 20:41:37 2009 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sigh In-Reply-To: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> References: <4B230BAA.3080906@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1C.37.29161.7F3B52B4@smtp01.embarq.synacor.com> At 10:19 PM 12/11/2009, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >And speaking of all these years, December 11th, 1996 was the day the >very first FOT message went out. Thanks all of you for making this >list what it has become. > >Happy Birthday to us. Wow, that's a shocker. I had no idea that it had been that long since Joe and I sat in the motorhome at Mid-Ohio and talked about all this. It is amazing what it has become! Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Dec 14 09:29:10 2009 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] '65 Targa, no TR content Message-ID: <20091214.092911.3912.11.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Got 40 minutes? Old footage is great http://jalopnik.com/5146783/say-goodbye-to-workplace-productivity-the-196 5-targa-florio-endurance-race Bill ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=wfJyFRNFFBzgDrO9eae7fQAAJ1CU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 09:44:32 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:44:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Slight interupption Message-ID: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. From cwnfot at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 10:43:51 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Hi Mark, I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually connected during operation? Any thoughts? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 11:21:00 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM To: 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup Hi Mark, I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually connected during operation? Any thoughts? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. mjb. You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jerrybarr at charter.net Mon Dec 14 11:46:52 2009 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> For a mear 5 thousand dollars you can buy a Generac home standby system that will start on it's own. No need to climb out of the sack in the middle of the night. On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered > generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes > over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Clark W. Nicholls > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM > To: 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup > > Hi Mark, > > I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a > gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. > > Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. > > Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually > connected during operation? > > Any thoughts? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > > -----Original Message----- > > We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours > overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for > THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. > > Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. > > mjb. > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jerrybarr at charter.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From s.janzen at comcast.net Mon Dec 14 11:49:24 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> If it was me, I'd use that generator to run my fridge and heat, and let Team.net shut down for a few hours. Got to keep the beer cold and the body warm and the garage from freezing. Our cars were built before the internet and most of us were too, and I do not want Mark waking up because I feel the need to send emails in the middle of the night. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 11:55:11 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <4B268A0F.9070007@bradakis.com> > Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > In truth, if I had not mentioned the 7 - 8 hours the servers were down, would any of you have actually noticed? Management would have to give me a pretty hefty raise to get me out of bed in the middle of the night to keep FOT mail from being delayed a few hours ;-) Of course, I usually go to bed in the middle of the night, in the 3 - 4 am range. Old habits die hard. Actually I can afford a better UPS, just not the $1100 power cords I should buy! [ This from a thread on the shop talk list. Interesting link, Chris ] mjb. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Thu Dec 17 12:06:23 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor Message-ID: Hello every one I am hoping some one can help with a circuit that I would like to make. I picked up a junk yard throttle body sensor and it attaches nicely to the Webber throttle shaft Currently it drives a cheapo 0 to 15 volt meter and is placed so the video camera can show real time throttle position but the sun light washes out the dial and its useless. a sequential LED display with 5 or 6 lights would work well for the camera BUT I have no clue on how to build it thanks rob From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 14 12:11:13 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:11:13 EST Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/2009 12:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Probably the cheapest way to do it is get an inexpensive gasoline powered > generator that can be started during that 15 minutes that the UPS takes > over. Of course during the night, there would need to be some sort of > alarm > to notify the operator that there is an outage. (Not to mention the > hassle > of actually getting out of bed and starting up the generator). > A few years back, here in Brookfield, Wisconsin we went through a period where our power was going out what seemed like constantly. I started keeping my racing paddock generator in the garage to supply power to a couple of critical outlets (refrigerator, etc.). I didn't, but several neighbors had so-called 'back-feed' outlets installed in their garage, which allowed them to feed power from their generators. It worked really slick, and I thought hard about doing it as well, but did not. It worked out OK for me, as the problem ceased. It has not happened (for more than a minute or two) any time since. Not a problem since. I guess it's the old, "Buy and umbrella and it won't rain." Rule. Actually, I think American Transmission (the big local power provider company) completed a new substation, which brought more power to the community. Bill Dentinger From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 12:34:41 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:34:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com><007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <6E927B4B-0447-449E-9A04-A37F492B9791@comcast.net> Message-ID: <59B5E761058A40889B96719CA545E6B3@jdnet.deere.com> > I do not want Mark waking up because I > feel the need to send emails in the middle of the night. Amen! -- Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 12:58:26 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:58:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <203C6A07C64C453886867B8F2CCCBD42@jdnet.deere.com> Rob, The National LM3914 (or equivalent) looks like a good start, as it will work directly from 12v and directly drive up to 10 discrete LEDs (or an LED bar graph). I've attached a circuit for a cheapo O2 meter (basically a bar graph using a 0-1.25v input). For your 0-15v circuit, you would probably want to use a precision divider on the input, say 2:1 to get 0-7.5v; and then put a divider on the LM3914's voltage reference to bring it up to 7.5v. The complete data sheet at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM3914.pdf Shows how to adjust the reference voltage (page 8). There are also some good notes in there about how to keep the LED current from messing up your measurement (due to voltage drop on the ground side). A quick Google shows the LM3914 available for as little as $1.50 http://tinyurl.com/yd9bwtj Lots of LED displays available, of course. Here's one at Digi-Key that looks suitable, for $1.05. http://tinyurl.com/y8ucvww All this assumes you want to "roll yer own"; no doubt there are commercial solutions available as well. -- Randall [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of lm3914 O2 meter.gif] From bownes at seiri.com Mon Dec 14 13:00:31 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:00:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] throttle sensor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google LED bargraph voltmeter. Or just hook it up to a digital voltmeter. :) On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: > Hello every one I am hoping some one can help with a circuit that I > would > like to make. > I picked up a junk yard throttle body sensor and it attaches nicely to the > Webber throttle shaft Currently it drives a cheapo 0 to 15 volt meter > and > is placed so the video camera can show real time throttle position but the > sun light washes out the dial and its useless. > a sequential LED display with 5 or 6 lights would work well for the > camera > BUT I have no clue on how to build it thanks rob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 14 13:15:51 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:15:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <3A0527E2B15547359C5E2D4A57FB7DF9@jdnet.deere.com> > I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car > batteries to a gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 > VA) to extend the time. There are definitely UPS units available that are designed for use with external batteries. We had one at a former job that would keep the PC-based phone system up for 8 hours, totally unattended; and as I recall it could have more batteries for up to 24 hours runtime. Even had a feature to call for help (assuming the external phone lines still worked) when the battery voltage started to drop. But it looks to me like you could open up any cheap UPS and wire it to wet lead-acid cells instead of gel cells. Might have to adjust the charger a bit to keep them charged, but fundamentally it should work. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 13:32:23 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> Message-ID: The operative word here is "Mere". (And for once I can point out a spelling error of someone else! :) JOe -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr [mailto:jerrybarr at charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:47 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'Mark J Bradakis'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup For a mear 5 thousand dollars you can buy a Generac home standby system that will start on it's own. No need to climb out of the sack in the middle of the night. On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Joe Curry wrote: From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 13:35:00 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 Message-ID: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. Thanks Mike Mehl From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 14 13:36:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:36:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is pretty much what I was doing when I lived up in WA. We were out in the boonies and were the last ones on the grid to get power back when the Northwest's famous winds would blow down the trees and power lines. It took only one episode of losing everything in the freezer to convince me that a generator was a small investment that was well spent. Joe C. _____ From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:11 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; cwnfot at gmail.com; mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup A few years back, here in Brookfield, Wisconsin we went through a period where our power was going out what seemed like constantly. I started keeping my racing paddock generator in the garage to supply power to a couple of critical outlets (refrigerator, etc.). I didn't, but several neighbors had so-called 'back-feed' outlets installed in their garage, which allowed them to feed power from their generators. It worked really slick, and I thought hard about doing it as well, but did not. It worked out OK for me, as the problem ceased. It has not happened (for more than a minute or two) any time since. Not a problem since. I guess it's the old, "Buy and umbrella and it won't rain." Rule. Actually, I think American Transmission (the big local power provider company) completed a new substation, which brought more power to the community. Bill Dentinger From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 14 14:05:22 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B26A892.8030400@bradakis.com> Oddly enough I just got back from a job interview. First one in four years. I'm out of practice. but I think it went okay. The company, Ceramatec, is mostly an R & D type place and the group with whom I interviewed is mostly focused on sodium and lithium batteries. They could relate to the power outage and UPS story from this morning. mjb. From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon Dec 14 15:18:38 2009 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Message-ID: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Dec 14 16:45:15 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 14 18:14:21 2009 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:14:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: <3F460C1E4874455C840A31925EA46A7D@Bud> Great job Jack!.... Racer Bud...San Francisco Bay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Jeff Snook" ; Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great > stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeff Snook" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM > Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > > >> Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our >> member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. >> >> >> >> Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! >> >> >> >> http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html >> >> >> >> If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. >> >> >> >> Jeff Snook >> >> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 14 18:26:23 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> Message-ID: <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> like playing chess with one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet? congratulations, Jack! -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mpendy at dishmail.net Mon Dec 14 19:37:40 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:37:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] UPS power backup References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com><007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com><095A7EEB-8D6D-4E4B-B5DA-04C418F157F2@charter.net> <4B26A892.8030400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3400DB609B6349228B80CB378CF42224@Pendys> FoTer's; Now your skateing on my ice, one very important thing to remember in regards to a generator is wheather or not it has a voltage regulator. The voltage regulator ( as most already know) keeps the voltage stable no matter the RPM of the engine, the more load you put on it the slower it turns thus the voltage and frequency drop, this situation will kill any sensitive equip.ie; televisions, COMPUTERS, microwaves etc: Ever wonder why a honda / yamaha genset costs three times as much as a comparable wattage genset you will find at a lumberyard or similar place ? A fellow in town bought a lesser quality unit last year and planted it in the middle outside of his home and two rentals, well he got to buy and or replace three of the above mentioned at EACH home......Side note....a typical FULLY automatic 12kw to 17kw system on an average installation will run you between 4800.00 and 6800.00 complete, labor and materials...how do i know? Mark Pendy #65 tr4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] UPS power backup > Oddly enough I just got back from a job interview. First one > in four years. I'm out of practice. but I think it went okay. > > The company, Ceramatec, is mostly an R & D type place and > the group with whom I interviewed is mostly focused on > sodium and lithium batteries. They could relate to the power > outage and UPS story from this morning. > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Dec 14 19:53:03 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (mike.mehl at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:53:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <25759837.100979.1260845583259.JavaMail.nitido@priv-edmwes94> Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more
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References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <20091215034512.6E8C6187869@autox.team.net> Here's how to do this: http://revision3.com/systm/hackedups 24 minute episode - Tony Drews At 11:43 AM 12/14/2009, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >Hi Mark, > >I always wondered if it was possible to connect several car batteries to a >gel-cell UPS of any capacity (mine are 450-650 VA) to extend the time. > >Add some connectors to the UPS chassis and connect the car batteries. > >Perhaps they can be not-connected until the power outage and manually >connected during operation? > >Any thoughts? > >Clark >Clark W. Nicholls >1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >"Reality, it's not what you think." > > >-----Original Message----- > >We had the power go out in our neighborhood for several hours >overnight. I can't afford a UPS to keep the servers running for >THAT long, I've got maybe 15 minutes or so. > >Anyway, I think all Team.Net services are back up and available. > >mjb. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Dec 15 01:40:02 2009 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:40:02 EST Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer Message-ID: I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. I believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. I would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new set of Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction so I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or sacrifice my dog? Thanks & Cheers, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Dec 15 05:58:32 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 In-Reply-To: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B2787F8.2010807@blacksburg.net> On 12/14/2009 3:35 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more > standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. > > Thanks > > Mike > Mehl Mike, I can't help with a source, but the one I bought from Jack Drews was from an MGB. I think he mentioned it was from a 5 main engine. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Dec 15 06:32:06 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer References: Message-ID: <02e601ca7d8a$ffb87d00$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Gary, I looked at some wheels called ROTA, made in the Philippines, for my rain tires. They looked decent; around $500/set. They're on e-bay sometimes. If you call the company in California, they are a little hard to understand, accent and all, but seemed very helpful. The wheels do come in different colors. The company said that if I wanted a set, they would ship one to try, and if I didn't like them or they didn't fit, send it back; cheaper than shipping back 4. Anyone had experience with these wheels or company? No financial interest. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 3:40 AM Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer > I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels > for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. I > believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not > sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. I > would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have > another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new set of > Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction so > I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or > sacrifice my dog? > > Thanks & Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 06:39:38 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:39:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer References: Message-ID: Gary, I got mine from these guys, I think at 180 a pop in Charcoal. They weigh a little more than Panasports and have a 3.58" backspace. Grinding a little off the corners of the TR6 style upper a-arms may be required (SOP for TR's it seems). http://www.vtoperformance.com/index.html Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 AM Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer > I'm looking for some guidance and recommendations on a new set of wheels > for the above. I am currently running the standard bolt ons in Silver. > I > believe the size to be 15 X 5.5. I would like to go to 15 X 6 but am not > sure of what problems, offset, caliper fit, etc., that I might run into. > I > would also like to spruce the old beast up a bit so would prefer to have > another color other than the standard Silver. I will be putting a new > set of > Hoosier Speedsters 15 x 60. Can someone point me in the right direction > so > I don't have to take a 2nd mortgage on one of the grandchildren or > sacrifice my dog? > > Thanks & Cheers, > > Gary Fuqua > Classic Sports Cars > Branson, MO > _gsfuqua1 at aol.com_ (mailto:gsfuqua1 at aol.com) > 63 TR 4 # 69 (Car paint is red so I was thinking of the darker ones. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 07:42:41 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle In-Reply-To: <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> References: <001d01ca7d0b$62daf730$2890e590$@org> <8CC4B3CBF262313-2B90-960B@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002301ca7d94$db202830$91607890$@net> Nice job from one rager to another Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:26 PM To: kaskas at cox.net; jsnook at wcnet.org; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle like playing chess with one hand on the tiller and the other on the mainsheet? congratulations, Jack! -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: Jeff Snook ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle Having won a couple Nat'ls, I know just how hard that really is, great stuff Jack. Kids, you just can't trust these old guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Snook" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Sailor Jack Woehrle > Thought you all might be interested in the sailing accomplishments of our > member Jack Woehrle, SVRA Technical Director. > > > > Jeez, he can race, manage, and sail! Congratulations to Jack! > > > > http://www.catsailor.com/waves/WaveNationals09Story.html > > > > If you can not get this link, it is also on the SVRA website. > > > > Jeff Snook > > http://www.snooksdreamcars.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 08:12:44 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] New Wheels for the 63 TR 4 Racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B27A76C.6050503@microworks.net> I think Bill Close (On the list) just got setup with these guys as a dealer. Bob Kramer wrote: > Gary, > > I got mine from these guys, I think at 180 a pop in Charcoal. They > weigh a little more than Panasports and have a 3.58" backspace. > Grinding a little off the corners of the TR6 style upper a-arms may be > required (SOP for TR's it seems). > > http://www.vtoperformance.com/index.html > > Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 15 08:44:14 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> Message-ID: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? Don't forget to use ear protection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUsrNIKzFo Cheers Chris From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 15 09:15:23 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:15:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! - Tony At 09:44 AM 12/15/2009, MadMarx wrote: >...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? > >Don't forget to use ear protection: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUsrNIKzFo > > >Cheers >Chris From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 10:03:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:03:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony From s.janzen at comcast.net Tue Dec 15 10:25:03 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> Message-ID: Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Tue Dec 15 10:54:27 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com> <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com> <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> <20091215161531.57472187893@autox.team.net> <4B27C14A.5030406@microworks.net> Message-ID: <4B27CD53.2050807@microworks.net> She does not have any problem with me racing or even our Son running Shifter karts. She just can't be in the car with a helmet on. If I could take her on track like Ricardo took his wife (sans Helmet) she would probably go. Of course try to find a sanction that would let you go on track at speed without a helmet - even in a non-competition Street session. Scott Janzen wrote: > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? From deanesr at uncw.edu Tue Dec 15 10:55:25 2009 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E094517A85C2604@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> The first time my wife was in my car was the re-enactment event at Watkins Glen where they take you on the original old track, the first thing the guy says is once you get in is you can't get out, we weren't going fast, just trying to keep up with Henry Frye with my wife shouting at me to slow down, "I want to get out"! I had to remind her of what the announcer said...she hasn't been back into the car since ! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David W. Riddle Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:03 PM To: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony You are subscribed as deanesr at uncw.edu http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Dec 15 11:19:55 2009 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two laps. Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps then fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. Walt Hollowell Abq., NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick is good too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A Tony Drews wrote: > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > - Tony Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 15 11:51:20 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:51:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> > She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. mjb. PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on the "track" without a helmet. From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Dec 15 12:31:30 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:31:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <938300324866b78a4a951f6f3a2e661a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Heh, I used to do that, too. To me, that's one of the differences between (good) autocrosses and track time. It sounds strange, but there is so much more time on track that I can "relax" but everything happens so fast in an autocross that I would forget to breathe, just like mjb. John On Tue, December 15, 2009 1:51 pm, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > mjb. > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > the "track" without a helmet. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rjl at gt-classics.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gt6steve at aol.com Tue Dec 15 12:38:36 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:38:36 EST Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <65f6.c696f99.38593fbc@aol.com> Many years ago, late 80's, I started chatting to an old woman during an autocross event. She had come across the parking lot with her walker to watch the show. When she commented how much she missed driving and fast cars I offered to take her for a ride in the GT6 during the afternoon fun-runs if she came back. Would you believe she not only came back but strapped in and grinned the entire run without a peep. I was really impressed with her when it was over. Hope I'm still that game when I'm her age. In a message dated 12/15/2009 11:19:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. mjb. PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on the "track" without a helmet. You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:10:50 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:10:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: Took Evelyn's TR8 to the TRA meet this year. Part of it was some track time at Summit Point. As the group of 50 or so cars headed out on track I pulled off to let everybody go ahead so I could fall back and give er heck and have some fun. Some more mature gentleman in a Mazda sport ute of some sort motioned me in front so I could be with the rest of the Triumphs. I pulled over and told him what my intentions were so he did not think I was having car trouble when I slowed down on track. He smiled devilishly and remarked he would try to not run me over. So off we go with me having a blast with a TR8 on skinny street tires with Evelyn screaming for me to slow down (I wasn't going all that fast) all the while this older gentleman is right on my bumper. Later in the day we get back to the host hotel and that guy came up to me in the parking lot and said "hey that was fun wasn't it". Turns out it was Robert Johns, one of the factory drivers in the day. I did not find out who it was until after the event. How cool was that! Marty _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:18:51 2009 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (victory Lane photos) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:18:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> References: , <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: `Reminds me of my very first autocross in my TR4 once it was back on the road. When I pulled up into the stall after my first run, I thought I was having a heart attack... I had just forgotten to breathe for about 2 minutes! Funny thing that oxygen stuff... guess we sort of need it (heh). Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: walt at hot-tr6.com > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because > she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two laps. > Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps then > fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. > Walt Hollowell > Abq., NM > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick just > putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. Barely > made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. > > This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting sick > is good too. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A > > Tony Drews wrote: > > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > > > - Tony > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 15 13:40:26 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:40:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The whole not breathing thing works great on the autocross track...Just don't try it on the race track! I usually end up talking my way through the course. It helps me to remember to breathe regularly. And it sounds good on the video. :) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM, victory Lane photos wrote: > `Reminds me of my very first autocross in my TR4 once it was back on the > road. > When I pulled up into the stall after my first run, I thought I was having > a > heart attack... I had just forgotten to breathe for about 2 minutes! > > Funny thing that oxygen stuff... guess we sort of need it (heh). > > Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon > > > > That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > > > > > > > > > From: walt at hot-tr6.com > > To: s.janzen at comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:19:55 -0700 > > CC: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > > > I took an attractive young lady out for a couple of semi-hot laps because > > she said she wanted to. She was quiet the whole time. Finished the two > laps. > > Stopped my racecar TR6, unbuckled her. She got out and took two steps > then > > fell flat. She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. Pretty cool. > > Walt Hollowell > > Abq., NM > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Scott Janzen > > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:25 AM > > Cc: Fot > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > > > Why would you do this if you want to keep racing? > > > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:03 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > > My wife appreciated this when I showed it to her before. She gets sick > just > > putting a helmet on. I tried to take her on track once for a drive. > Barely > > made it back to the pits on the first slow lap. > > > > This video of Damon Hill driving very relaxed and the reporter getting > sick > > is good too. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3NSMx7Ev5A > > > > Tony Drews wrote: > > > I love the smile on Patrese's face as his wife goes ballistic! > > > > > > - Tony > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > You are subscribed as walt at hot-tr6.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > > > > > -- > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > SPAMfighter has removed 93625 of my spam emails to date. > > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > The Professional version does not have this message > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as greenman62 at hotmail.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Dec 15 14:33:07 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:33:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701B49@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << I usually end up talking my way through the course... it sounds good on the video.>> I do that, too, but some of what I'm saying isn't something I'd like people to hear on the video... I somewhere acquired the habit of taking a slow, deep breath IN at all the points of a track which are in any way scary - where you're sort of hanging out there for a second, wondering whether (a) the car is going to stick and turn or (b) you're going to visit the woods. Dunno where that came from, but it seems to help. Scott From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 15:49:39 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:49:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu Gran Prix course. I realized that I was forgetting to breath but found it hard to correct. Didn't seem to improve the lap times one way or the other. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robert bownes" > To: "victory Lane photos" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... > > >> The whole not breathing thing works great on the autocross track...Just >> don't try it on the race track! >> >> I usually end up talking my way through the course. It helps me to >> remember >> to breathe regularly. And it sounds good on the video. :) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 15 16:41:57 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: > We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu > Gran Prix course. That sounds like a hoot! How on earth did you talk them into allowing a TR on the track? -- Randall From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 15 16:48:32 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:48:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <853667EC602C4C87982260E7E690E66A@latitudefb1e41> That would have been something............ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... >> We used to have Triumph club contests at the local Malibu >> Gran Prix course. > > That sounds like a hoot! How on earth did you talk them into allowing a > TR > on the track? > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 15 19:27:56 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tracktime at Bluegrass Motorsports Park In-Reply-To: <366850.11918.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <366850.11918.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In case your interested. Marty For those of you that do NOT visit the 6-PACK Website regularly, I've an announcement: The TRistate TRiumphs would like to invite you to visit the 2010 6-PACK TRials website: http://triumphtrials.jimdo.com/ We've been hammering details of various things such as Welcome BBQ and the TRack (Bluegrass Motorsports Park) Q&As. Of course we can't forget the SHOW on and Banquet on Saturday! We're also offering embroidered shirts, hats, and fleece jackets. So, when you get a chance, please visit the site & let us know what you think. Sign up if you like! We know we have a few things to fix, but we welcome feedback. There are a limited amount of slots at the TRack so if you want to drive fast without the risk of getting a ticket, please sign up soon. If you'd like to sponsor the TRack event, please write me off list Also, would someone please pass this on to the FOT list as I'm not a member Cheers, Todd Bermudez 2010 6-PACK TRials Committee _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Dec 15 19:54:29 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 In-Reply-To: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <862503.76033.qm@web46103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801ca7dfb$16e79720$44b6c560$@com> I believe Ken Gilanders at British Frame and Engine has a "kit" with the narrow pulleys for the water pump and harmonic balancer. I'd recommend the Moss water pump with the 1/2 inch shaft (with 1.25 mm pitch!!) thread rather than the 5/16 threaded end. The 5/16 threaded end is known to break off, at least ours did. BTW, the Denso alternator as used on older RX-7's is a "compact" alternator that can be run as a single wire and seems to work well. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:35 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] narrow crank and water pump pulley for TR4 Does anyone have a resonable source for the above. I want to run a more standard width belt and run a one wire alternator on the car. Thanks Mike Mehl You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 15 19:56:16 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tis the season Message-ID: <4B284C50.7080009@bradakis.com> For those of you who enjoy Christmas tunes: http://bradakis.com/merryxmas.swf mjb. From billb at bnj.com Tue Dec 15 19:57:12 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:57:12 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> I do the same thing surfing. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't hold my breath longer when I'm getting worked, I'd be out of air in no time, even though I can hold my breath for almost two minutes. Turns out I hold my breath from the time time I get into a wave until I turn out--got to work on that. Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a couple of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > mjb. > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > the "track" without a helmet. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Tue Dec 15 21:06:50 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net> <4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> Message-ID: I knew there was a reason I raced a formula car...Which meant I had to send her to driver's school instead of going for a ride.:) On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I do the same thing surfing. I couldn't figure out why I couldn't hold my > breath longer when I'm getting worked, I'd be out of air in no time, even > though I can hold my breath for almost two minutes. Turns out I hold my > breath > from the time time I get into a wave until I turn out--got to work on that. > > Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a > couple > of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were > the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the > roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of > yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let > out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > >> She forgot to breath for the last half a lap. > > > > That used to be SAP ( Standard Autocross Procedure ) for me. On really > > good runs I would just fail to breathe. It tended to surprise people who > > didn't know my habit, as I'd get out of the car gasping and wheezing. > > > > mjb. > > > > PS: Dave, if IVR was still in existence and running at Wendover, > > you probably could have convinced me to let you take her out on > > the "track" without a helmet. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From britbits at netzero.com Tue Dec 15 21:25:34 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:25:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> References: <20091215182018.B084718789D@autox.team.net><4B27DAA8.9050609@bradakis.com> <3E2BD8EB-779D-4149-8682-0595DB4EA28C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <000801ca7e07$d0913ad0$0513193f@jrg> Hmmm... I had one girlfriend tell me after a spirited autocross run that she finally a) understood and b) trusted my street driving style. And my wife is used to more chaotic traffic driving than I am, so I suspect that an on track session wouldn't phase her. Except if I denied her a chance to drive. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:57 PM To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: 'Fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Diane has had a few too many rides with me. The best was when we did a couple of fairly quick parade laps around Laguna Seca in Peyote when Specials were the marque at the Historics. She was sitting on the fuel cell, holding the roll bar with one hand on her "Shady Brady" cowbow hat. She was kind of yelling at me most of the way around, but when we hit the corkscrew she let out a scream they could hear in Carmel. Did it the second time too. ____________________________________________________________ Banking Click here to find the perfect banking opportunity! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=xTzI0TDGhstvlKiUMQz3jQAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXeAAAAAA= From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 16 02:22:53 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> Message-ID: <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> I have taken several people over the Nordschleife in my Triumph and all of them got out a little pale. One said voiceless - : You are nuts. Cheers Chris From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 16 04:35:04 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... In-Reply-To: <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> References: <9AD1EF4B42CE48C2A48DE5BD67841061@latitudefb1e41> <000901ca7e31$5a254650$0e6fd2f0$@com> Message-ID: <775507.10178.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I took another corner work for a ride once at Waterford Hills, Michigan. He climbed in, fastened the seat belt and told me I could go as fast as I wanted. I had a whole lap of open track. He held on for dear life and couldn't get out of the car as fast as he wanted to. I think there are still finger impressions on the crash pad. I took my wife for a ride there a few years ago. She didn't mind too much, but we didn't have that much clear track. When I used to autocross, I'd find myself shaking at the end of a good run. The adrenalin was really pumping. Took me a while to figure out what was causing it. Doug ________________________________ From: MadMarx To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 4:22:53 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Haave you ever...... I have taken several people over the Nordschleife in my Triumph and all of them got out a little pale. One said voiceless - : You are nuts. Cheers Chris You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Dec 16 09:18:47 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:18:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the need of a left hand & Right hand Steering racks from a spitfire. Thank you Tony Garmey 425 413 0785 206 612 1782 From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Dec 16 09:23:34 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:23:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack References: Message-ID: <32D6081E0F894DEB955E8F74554E001F@Charly> Tony. I might have the LHD steering rack. I look later Charly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire s/rack > Hi All, > > I'm in the need of a left hand & Right hand Steering racks from a > spitfire. > > > > Thank you > > > > Tony Garmey > > 425 413 0785 > > 206 612 1782 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Dec 16 09:28:46 2009 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:28:46 EST Subject: [Fot] Haave you ever...... Message-ID: Amici... Boy! All this talk about holding your breath to improve performance...I'm going to have to get some mouth wash. Bill (Damdinger) From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 09:34:38 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:34:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue Message-ID: The GT6 had a low frequency vibration at Summit Point over Thanksgiving, but only flat out on the main straight (above 110 mph/ 6000 rpm +). It did not feel like it was isolated to any one corner, though I could be wrong about that. No issues up to 7000 rpm in other gears. Could this be the driveshaft, or just a mild tire out of balance that is only evident at high speed? From triosan at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 10:08:32 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:08:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Talk about trouble breathing.... Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912160908nc80a361xfa8bb10ba4c54220@mail.gmail.com> Well I practice not breathing a couple of weeks ago--involuntary. Threw a massive Deep Vein Thrombosis [blood clot in leg] into my lungs. Passed out on my feet. 911 by wife, EMT, emergency ride, ICU for three days. Had an appointment with pulmonary doc yesterday. We reviewed the CAT scan from the incident. 100% occlusion of right pulmonary artery, 90% of left. Another 5% and I would not be here to right this. Am fine now, except have to take rat poison [coumadin] for the next year to keep the blood thin. Anybody out there race in this condition? -- I sure intend to. Do not recommend this as a breathing test!!! Chuck On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:28 AM, wrote: > Amici... > > Boy! All this talk about holding your breath to improve performance...I'm > going to have to get some mouth wash. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Dec 16 10:34:33 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As it doesn't seem coupled to RPM alone I'd have a real careful look at the driveline. Are you running metalastic joints on the axles? Terry Stetler From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 11:50:31 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F5896D2-ECF9-45C4-B00E-C9384A4FC085@comcast.net> the axles are sliding halfshafts with Spicer u-joints, which have only seen a season's worth of use. I'll report back on what I find. On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: As it doesn't seem coupled to RPM alone I'd have a real careful look at the driveline. Are you running metalastic joints on the axles? Terry Stetler Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 16 13:40:16 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Have you ever... In-Reply-To: <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: > ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? No, but I rode as a passenger. I caught a ride in my buddy's Sprite during crew rides at a vintage race at Summit Point years ago. I sat on the fire extinguisher and foolishly tried to video the ride for posterity. There was no windshield on my side and the wind going down the straight was so strong that I couldn't hold the camera steady. I shot sky, trees, and floorboards, but little track. I gave up and put the camera down. That allowed me to hold on for dear life with two hands anyway. Then he overcooked Wagon Bend and we went off to the outside. Luckily, we got back on the track without help. I broke the fire extinguisher mount. I also cracked the viewfinder on the camera. Man, was it fun! From s.janzen at comcast.net Wed Dec 16 14:22:15 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:22:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Have you ever... In-Reply-To: References: <4B266B70.2040103@bradakis.com>, <007a01ca7ce4$fff5ffa0$ffe1fee0$@com>, , <003f01ca7d9d$7653a090$62fae1b0$@com> Message-ID: I still remember one of those lunchtime rides at Summit in a Porsche 911 variant - $20 for charity. At least the Porsche had a seat and a windshield. For the first time I realized that in racing you were either hard on the gas or hard on the brakes, but not much in between. I signed up for 3 day formula dodge driver's school with Skip Barber shortly after that (worked for a company in some good years in the '90s where driver's "school" was considered an educational event and they paid for most of it). What a hoot! I've been hooked ever since. On Dec 16, 2009, at 3:40 PM, John Herrera wrote: > ...taken your wives or girlfriends over a track? No, but I rode as a passenger. I caught a ride in my buddy's Sprite during crew rides at a vintage race at Summit Point years ago. I sat on the fire extinguisher and foolishly tried to video the ride for posterity. There was no windshield on my side and the wind going down the straight was so strong that I couldn't hold the camera steady. I shot sky, trees, and floorboards, but little track. I gave up and put the camera down. That allowed me to hold on for dear life with two hands anyway. Then he overcooked Wagon Bend and we went off to the outside. Luckily, we got back on the track without help. I broke the fire extinguisher mount. I also cracked the viewfinder on the camera. Man, was it fun! Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Dec 16 14:31:29 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Message-ID: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Speakers On This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! unbelievable !!!!!! http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Dec 16 19:47:00 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:47:00 -0800 Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue References: Message-ID: Scott, tire balanceing machines only spin to 60mph what i am told , Mark Pendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [Fot] high speed vibration issue > The GT6 had a low frequency vibration at Summit Point over > Thanksgiving, but only flat out on the main straight (above 110 mph/ > 6000 rpm +). It did not feel like it was isolated to any one corner, > though I could be wrong about that. No issues up to 7000 rpm in other > gears. Could this be the driveshaft, or just a mild tire out of > balance that is only evident at high speed? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 16 22:44:14 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Holy crap! That's gotta be a hoot! I mean, what could go wrong? :) - Tony Drews At 03:31 PM 12/16/2009, Paul MacDonald wrote: >Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > > > > >Speakers On > > > >This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. > > > >He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! > > >unbelievable !!!!!! > >http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent >e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig >its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co >te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> >&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over >&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp >layclick=link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Dec 16 22:57:33 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:57:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <80AA911C891A433580EFB5C0F2268BFB@joepentiumnew> Can you imagine the double takes that the people in the passing cars and bikes had when they saw something that low hurtling at them at such speeds! Surely this guy has some sort of death wish. I wonder if he has Life Insurance, and if so, whether his insurance company knows what he does for fun! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: Tr8 List; Fot Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! Speakers On This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! unbelievable !!!!!! http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From bownes at seiri.com Wed Dec 16 23:04:59 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Two words... Snow plow...:) On 12/17/09, Tony Drews wrote: > Holy crap! That's gotta be a hoot! I mean, what could go wrong? :) > > - Tony Drews > > At 03:31 PM 12/16/2009, Paul MacDonald wrote: >>Subject: One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! >> >> >> >> >>Speakers On >> >> >> >>This is worth the watch. Just click the link below. >> >> >> >>He actually goes thru a tunnel and passes a motorcycle!! >> >> >>unbelievable !!!!!! >> >>http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descent >>e-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >>>te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig >>its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co >>te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> >>&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over >>&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp >>layclick=link >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Dec 17 06:09:15 2009 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:09:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> Sorry about the messed up link. If you copy and paste this, it should work. Paul http://www.gamaniak.com/embed.swf?file=http://media.gamaniak.com/vid/descen te-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4&image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdig its=true&controlbar=over&link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-co te-buggyrollin.html&displayclick=link> &image=http://www.gamaniak.com/pics/3625.jpg&showdigits=true&controlbar=over &link=http://www.gamaniak.com/video-3625-descente-cote-buggyrollin.html&disp layclick=link From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 17 07:11:52 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:11:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] selling off NOS for rusty parts project Message-ID: <000001ca7f22$e1b43620$a51ca260$@rr.com> There is little sanity to the impulses that drive us to these old cars. I have another project looming in the future and wish to dispose of some parts I have had for many years staring at me from a shelf. Spitfire Mk 4/1500 bonnet center section (old TRF # was WKC1653) They haven't seen any of these since 1987. Price on it back then was $500. This is a factory new panel in original primer. GT-6 Mk2 bonnet center section (with louvers). This was TRF pt# 619011 and also 576878. These have been unobtanium since the late seventies. This is a NOS panel in original primer. No damage/no rust. I also have a new un-used MGB steel hood in primer. I am located just outside Ithaca NY. If interested, please e-mail with questions. Russ Moore From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 07:58:10 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75> <20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related Or google search for: descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Dec 17 08:07:02 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:07:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 Message-ID: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. Andre, any idea who this is? Nice looking car. No $ interest. Bill From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Dec 17 08:48:31 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:48:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75><20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> Message-ID: <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> Check this one out, same guy. Charly Mitchel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHHZxP5g68&feature=player_embedded ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Tony Drews'" ; "'Paul MacDonald'" ; "'Tr8 List'" ; "'Fot'" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related > > Or google search for: > descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rjl6n at cstone.net Thu Dec 17 09:01:48 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> References: <4AE281D8ACC7432E89F4811BA6EA096A@your4dacd0ea75><20091217054425.C9736187653@autox.team.net> <006001ca7f29$5a73b6c0$0f5b2440$@com> <2AC1F6933D664C6F8CA2C55F378D1553@Charly> Message-ID: <888564eb4b3e08176b104c8ed44f9944.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> There are actually quite a few youtube videos about this guy - do a search for: "Jean Yves Blondeau" He's been doing it for quite a while now, apparently. John On Thu, December 17, 2009 10:48 am, Charly Mitchel wrote: > Check this one out, same guy. > Charly Mitchel > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZHHZxP5g68&feature=player_embedded > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clark W. Nicholls" > To: "'Tony Drews'" ; "'Paul MacDonald'" > ; "'Tr8 List'" ; "'Fot'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuF7YIZJGyY&feature=related >> >> Or google search for: >> descente-cote-buggy-rollin.mp4 >> >> Clark >> Clark W. Nicholls >> 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rjl at gt-classics.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:11:54 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:11:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <036d01ca7f2a$981a39d0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> 200418107893 Nice. I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. A. 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : > Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. > Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. > Andre, any idea who this is? > Nice looking car. > No $ interest. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 17 09:22:25 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:22:25 EST Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars Message-ID: Anyone familiar with this shop in the Pittsburgh area? Thanks! Joe A From gballantine at cogeco.ca Thu Dec 17 09:38:54 2009 From: gballantine at cogeco.ca (Gord Ballantine) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The car has raced with VARAC in Historic Production for the last several years.Nice piece, well sorted. GB -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:12 AM To: WILLIAM TOBIN Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage TR6 200418107893 Nice. I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. A. 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : > Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. > Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. > Andre, any idea who this is? > Nice looking car. > No $ interest. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer You are subscribed as gballantine at cogeco.ca http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:44:03 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:44:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. Wonder what the reserve is. A. 2009/12/17 Gord Ballantine : > The car has raced with VARAC in Historic Production for the last several > years.Nice piece, well sorted. > > GB > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On > Behalf Of Andre Rousseau > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:12 AM > To: WILLIAM TOBIN > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage TR6 > > > 200418107893 > > Nice. > > I dont know the driver, but have seen the car before. > > A. > > 2009/12/17 WILLIAM TOBIN : >> Hi all, I saw a vintage TR6 racer for sale on e-bay. >> Seller is lotus196518. Missassauga ONT. >> Andre, any idea who this is? >> Nice looking car. >> No $ interest. >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as andre at gt6.ca >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... > Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gballantine at cogeco.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Dec 17 09:52:30 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:52:30 EST Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 Message-ID: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> Your angle would have to be how much money you'd save cuz it's a prepped car. Just make out you didn't notice her rolling her eyes... In a message dated 12/17/2009 8:49:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, andre at gt6.ca writes: Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. Wonder what the reserve is. From andre at gt6.ca Thu Dec 17 09:55:33 2009 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> References: <312a.46e9e1bf.385bbbce@aol.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390912170855p8efcc5s2b0a325814fed12c@mail.gmail.com> I used that on her for the FIAT, the Mazda and the GT6 hehehe. A. 2009/12/17 : > Your angle would have to be how much money you'd save cuz it's a prepped > car. Just make out you didn't notice her rolling her eyes... > > In a message dated 12/17/2009 8:49:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > andre at gt6.ca writes: > > Yeah got some decent shots of it back in 2008. > > http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/gallery/08/raw/canon/slides/IMG_9712.html > > So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. > > Wonder what the reserve is. > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ '77 FIAT 124 Vintage Racer #515 - http://www.124racer.com/ Ottawa, ON, Canada You know, racing was a lot tougher before the Internet... Quote by Steve Smith GT6 Racer From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 17 10:32:14 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage TR6 In-Reply-To: <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390912170811w1d99bc0q9c995ed68344d488@mail.gmail.com>, , <4362ae390912170844q15116b4m904fa3bac10a69c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey, Christmas is next week. Buy it, put a big bow in it and tell her you bought it for her:). You just will need to test drive it a couple of times a year to make sure it is running correctly. Hmmmm, then again there was that one year I bought my wife a set of race tires for HER to autocross HER car with. I thought it was a great idea. We won't go there:) Marty >> > So tempting. I could sell the FIAT. Of my wife would kill me. > > Wonder what the reserve is. > > A. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Thu Dec 17 11:52:14 2009 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:52:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars References: Message-ID: Joe, as a longtime resident and TR guy from the 'burgh. I have never run into this operation. I'll send out a few emails to check it out. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Robbins British Cars > Anyone familiar with this shop in the Pittsburgh area? > > Thanks! > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Thu Dec 17 13:01:34 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Trailer Update In-Reply-To: <8CC4D6883DBE4B3-429C-B85@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC4D6883DBE4B3-429C-B85@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <504C5AAA-7B0F-45CA-B53C-638D89220F3C@bnj.com> Mine too, we bought a much smaller house in Hood River, turned Peyote over to Tony Garmey to transport and maintain. We'll be selling the house in Portland, selling Nero (the Airstream trailer), selling the Ferrari, getting rid of a lot of stuff and playing more/maintaining less. No financial pressure to do it all, just want more time to play and I just don't need all that stuff. I'm going to build that TR3 kit I have hanging out, finish peyotifying the Ambro, sell the big truck and buy something that can pull 7K pounds and a small trailer to run event that Tony doesn't have other customers for. Keep me posted on the trailer, it sounds ideal On Dec 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > > I plan on turning over my TR4 and the enclosed trailer to my sons to take care of. > > I am going to ride off into the sunset with my AMBRO and a single axle trailer. My life is getting too complicated. > > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > To: n197tr4 at cs.com > Cc: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com; jdment at suddenlink.net; hakhutch at roadrunner.com; jerryvv at roadrunner.com; tjwakeman at gmail.com; fal at knology.net; deruiterville at hotmail.com; macdonaldp at rogers.com; trmarty at hotmail.com; sm1ski at dslextreme.com > Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 1:05 pm > Subject: Re: Trailer Update > > Was this spreadsheet supposed to have prices other than the options? I'm > interested, I'm switching to a simpler rig next year. I'd like to know a price > though, even if it's ballpark. > > I'd also suggest looking at a skid to save the trailer in case of a blowout. > Worthwhile in single axle arrangements. > On Dec 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > > > trailer List: > > > > With cold and snow I have not done anything more with the 'protoype' > > trailer, but hope to shortly. > > > > I still have not found a comparable trailer with those features and at the > > projected price. If you are aware of someone manufacturing one, I'd like to > > examine what they have. > > > > Attached is a worksheet, if you have not seen it yet. I have no business > > agreement with this manufacturer. At this point. > > > > Price and quality looks very good to me. I'd like to see this Iowa > > Manufacturer build more of these trailers, regardless. I did this kind of > stuff in a > > former life, for John Deere, and enjoy it. > > > > My 15 minutes of fame in the 1980s was proposing the build of truck chassis > > for specialty vehicles, mostly motorhomes....10,000 chassis a year was the > > production rate when it was sold to Oshkosh Truck. It eventually became a > > Freightliner, so the product still lives on. > > > > Joe A > > > > > > From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Dec 18 08:27:57 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Detroit Locker NOS but old!!! Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66E31C@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> Morning Membership, Got a friend here in Nashville that has a TR3/4 Detroit Locker for sale. Old but never used and he says it's complete. Call JD @ 1-615-361-3887 Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 10:06:39 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:06:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Any FOTs in Charlotte, NC?? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BA3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I may be looking for some intermediary help with a car transaction in Charlotte (not for me, unfortunately). The deal's wired so far, but some face-to-face might be necessary. Scott From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Fri Dec 18 10:21:30 2009 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts Inc. - Info) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:21:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3-4 Detroit Locker NOS but old! Message-ID: <55CB8270B7388B478DC7AC2A39A97C5A66E32B@isis.dieselperformanceparts.local> This is sold, went FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got a friend here in Nashville that has a TR3/4 Detroit Locker for sale. Old but never used and he says it's complete. Call JD @ 1-615-361-3887 Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 15:46:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:46:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FOT sponsorship - Uncle Jack memorial ad in next Buddy Palumbo book Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAB@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hello all, OK, some of you have sent checks directly to me (which is fine). Some of you have also asked whether you can contribute via PayPal. For those of you who've said that you're in for something, now's the time to let me know how much and/or how you'd like to make your contribution. Yes, you can contribute via PayPal. Just contact Burt and he'll send you a PayPal invoice. Contact him by e-mail at thinkfast at mindspring.com or you can call him during office hours (US central time) at (708) 383-7203. Again, if you choose, you can send checks to me (Scott Barr, 2401 East Enterprise Ave., Appleton WI 54911-7887) and I'll continue to aggregate them and send one check to Burt. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 (direct) www.mccarty-law.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message may be confidential or privileged. Only the intended recipient may read, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. The law requires this firm to inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication cannot be used for purposes of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed by the Internal Revenue Service. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 18 15:48:10 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:48:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott From billdentin at aol.com Fri Dec 18 17:49:54 2009 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott... I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Dec 18 18:25:47 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> I'll check all the old ads for TR-3s I have. I almost think there was one wit a TR-3 in the snow. If I have it I'll digitize it. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:50 PM To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott... I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. Bill Dentinger You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rjohns at woh.rr.com Fri Dec 18 19:00:47 2009 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Fot Digest, Vol 37, Issue 21: Topic # 3 from Marty Sukey Message-ID: <94BA915FA3254F379766EBD23F99C8AE@Bucktailus> Subject: Re: Fot Digest, Vol 37, Issue 21: Topic # 3 from Marty Sukey > > Re:Re: Haave you ever...........(R.Johns) > > Marty Sukey was so gracious in exposing my lingering weakness. > Yes, even though I am old enough to know, and behave better, this old > codger still likes to get on it and the old competitive juices get to > flowing. I thought that I should endorse Marty's comments on how much fun > we were having, unnoticed on the tail end of the line. Someone sent out a > pace car to slow us down, finally, as I suppose they were afraid we might > just hurt "ourselves". Anyway, Marty, you did not have to expose me for > what I am, but thanks for being very gracious and kind in your comments. > My wife and I just roared when we read it. I don't know when I have > laughed so hard. Jean was around "The Nurburgring" with me, so was a > seasoned passenger! > > Bob J From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Dec 18 20:15:21 2009 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:15:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure I have an "in period" one around of my Dad and I pushing his TR3 out of a snow drift. It's b/w as I recall. Let me look further. Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:48 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 > on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triumphs at consolidated.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2574 - Release Date: 12/18/09 13:38:00 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Fri Dec 18 20:38:34 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] One Way To Come Down A Mountain - Worth the WATCH !!!!! In-Reply-To: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <8EAD571950B7460996647A8BE73BCE0D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4B2C4ABA.3010708@twcny.rr.com> One thing you can say is he cuts a nice line - probably wouldn't do to bad on a track with a throttle.. From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri Dec 18 20:53:39 2009 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:53:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <642640.22854.qm@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Scott, I have one of my '56 TR3 as I found it drifted in the snow on an off base parking lot by Fort Leonard Wood, Mo when I finished basic training there in 1960. It is a black and white. If Burt wants to use it I will go dig it out and have my wife or son scan it and send it. Yes, I had to dig it out to get home. This is the same car I drove to/in my first sports car race and back home with a 3rd place trophy. The venom is still in my viens. Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Barr, Scott wrote: > From: Barr, Scott > Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:48 PM > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of > a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > doing in the center section. Anybody have > a good picture of their TR3 > on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kenandtweety at yahoo.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software > specialist. From dave at microworks.net Fri Dec 18 21:06:28 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:06:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <8CC4E5C5027ABBF-8130-E4FE@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com> <000001ca804a$31c0bad0$95423070$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4B2C5144.4030304@microworks.net> http://www.gbiznet.com/ebay/triumph/59tr3snow.jpg Russ Moore wrote: > I'll check all the old ads for TR-3s I have. I almost think there was one > wit a TR-3 in the snow. If I have it I'll digitize it. > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of billdentin at aol.com > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:50 PM > To: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section > spoof ad > > Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's > oing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 > n a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? > > > > > > Scott... > > I'm basically a masochist, but I don't take my TR3 out in the snow. > Mike Belfer used to tell stories about his TR3 in college. > It was a year round driver, including winter. He also told me he > would sometimes have to use the crank to start it, which he was > able to do. Sometimes none of his buddies could start their cars > and they'd use a jump from the TR3 to get their cars going. > > Best I can do is I have a 'concrete TR3' out in the garden. TR Householder > made a bunch of them years ago and he gave one to me. I can give > you a shot of that in the snow. That's where it is right now. > > Bill Dentinger > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From britbits at netzero.com Fri Dec 18 21:33:14 2009 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:33:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Scott, I'd like to help.. Lots of TR3s in Dallas but not enough snow to mention. Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. Cheers, Jim Dallas -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barr, Scott Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Another thing - Burt needs a shot of a TR3 in snow for a spoof ad he's doing in the center section. Anybody have a good picture of their TR3 on a road trip somewhere just covered in snow? Scott You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=Sm35TErCWWqhLVYf2xJRKwAAJ1GU0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From group44tr7 at aol.com Sat Dec 19 08:19:07 2009 From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:19:07 EST Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad Message-ID: <45d1.1106bafc.385e48eb@aol.com> Scott Why doesn't Burt run a photo contest amongst FOT members to have the best picture of their car in the snow. The winner gets a autographed copy of his forthcoming book. Cary From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 08:31:16 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:31:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> To let you know: Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 with the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for reusing them again. Cheers Chris From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat Dec 19 09:03:05 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:03:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> Message-ID: <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> Chris - Are you using oil with a high ZDDP level, or do you use an additive which increases the ZDDP for your "flat tappet" engine ? Don Elliott, Montreal ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Lifter update > To let you know: > > Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. > > All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 > with > the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for > reusing them again. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 09:16:07 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:07 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> Message-ID: <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> To be honest, I never checked if the oil is special for that purpose. I use Mobil 1 5w50 rally - favorite because I get it a little cheaper or Castrol 10w60 Both do well. I had some trouble and worn cams "before" I started to use flat lifters. When I bought that cam in year 2007 I first ran it with crowned lifters and found that lobe #7 became a little damage. Then I grinded the lifters flat and installed them again bearing in mind that the damaged lobe 7 wouldn't last. BUT there is no change at lobe 7 since then and all other lobes are in perfect condition with the flat lifters and even the lifter on lobe 7 seems to feel very comfort this way. I can provide photos if you like. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don Elliott [mailto:58tr3a at videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 17:03 An: MadMarx; 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update Chris - Are you using oil with a high ZDDP level, or do you use an additive which increases the ZDDP for your "flat tappet" engine ? Don Elliott, Montreal ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Fot] Lifter update > To let you know: > > Just have removed cam and lifters from the engine. > > All lifters I use are flat grinded ones. They are now in use since 2007 > with > the same cam and all parts are still in perfect condition and ready for > reusing them again. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3246.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3251.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN3253.JPG] From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 19 10:14:32 2009 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (Chip Collingwood) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder Message-ID: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Hey, Good morning all (almost afternoon), I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? Thanks for your time. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 10:29:17 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:29:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001ca80d0$cd560500$68020f00$@com> I use a Panasonic SD cam. The SDR-150 and a 2x wide lens converter to have a wide angle view. I really don't know why modern cams have great zoom capabilities but almost no wide angle. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Chip Collingwood Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 18:15 An: bluebirds; Friends of Triumph; Richmond Triumph Register; Mark Palmer Betreff: [Fot] Camcorder Hey, Good morning all (almost afternoon), I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? Thanks for your time. Chip Collingwood 69 TR6 Eprod 71 2dr 510 Vintage You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Sat Dec 19 10:38:27 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B2D0F93.3010206@microworks.net> Go with the "(2) dedicated video setups" the MotorSport version of the GoPro Camera works really well, is cheap and is designed for our application. HD Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=30 Standard Wide angle Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=2 Standard Version: http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=5 Here is a video shot mounted to the chin of a helmet on a 125cc Shifter Kart using the Standrd Wide Angle camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvBsSDsF88 Then get a regular camcorder to use for the family videos. Chip Collingwood wrote: > Hey, > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? > > Thanks for your time. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Dec 19 12:18:57 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:18:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> Message-ID: I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler From bobbyceeracer at aol.com Sat Dec 19 12:30:53 2009 From: bobbyceeracer at aol.com (bobbyceeracer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:30:53 EST Subject: [Fot] Panasport TR6 Mag Wheels Message-ID: I have 4 Panasport TR6 mag wheels for sale. In excellent condition There Dimensions are 15 x 7 with a depth or offset of 6 inches. Set up for racing. They are called " Formula 1" model There weight is 15 1/2 lbs. $400 plus shipping Bobby Cee From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Dec 19 12:54:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:54:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> Message-ID: <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> The oils are fully synthetic. The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap done. You never run out of lifters. I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 19 13:43:52 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:43:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> Message-ID: <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere around .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a Rockwell or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking out quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No point in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new ceramics available from the American muscle car industry? Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update The oils are fully synthetic. The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap done. You never run out of lifters. I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Terry Stetler Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. Terry Stetler You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Dec 20 09:15:35 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:15:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I have been looking at my options for a year now. I just bit the bullet and had Santa bring me a Go Pro HD. I will let you know how it works out this spring. For the Race car go with either memory card or tape. The Hard drive I tried wouldn't record because of vibration issues. In open cars you want a camcorder with an audio in so you can have a mic located out of the wind. How is Hellen, had her on the track lately? Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip Collingwood From dave at microworks.net Sun Dec 20 12:16:06 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:16:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BB4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BB4@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <4B2E77F6.3090703@microworks.net> No input for external mic. The camera is housed inside of a case that is waterproof to 100'. However audio comes through very nice and for open cars you can select to have the wind noise filtered out. Barr, Scott wrote: > Does it have an input for the remote microphone? I've been considering this one, but don't have that critical bit of info. > > Scott From j.wags63 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 14:56:50 2009 From: j.wags63 at yahoo.com (John Wagner) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] flame paths Message-ID: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Marry Christmas to all Tis the season to rebuild engines Has anyone ever tried cutting flame paths,"quench grooves" in pistons or heads? Just the wrench John Wagner j.wags63 at yahoo.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Dec 20 15:31:42 2009 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:31:42 -0800 Subject: [Fot] flame paths References: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0621C8C25DB24CBC9E1B69F8FA65ADB6@desktop> Check these links. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 http://somender-singh.com/content/view/7/31/ http://home.earthlink.net/~scloughn/id21.html http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?p=900295 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wagner" To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: [Fot] flame paths > Marry Christmas to all > Tis the season to rebuild engines > > Has anyone ever tried cutting flame paths,"quench grooves" in pistons or > heads? > > Just the wrench > John Wagner > j.wags63 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sun Dec 20 16:17:12 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com><006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg><000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com><450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> Message-ID: <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi gang, I recently heard that J K Jackson was doing some things with Ford lifters. Block has to be machined slightly because of a larger diameter of the Fords. Give him a call. Bill.----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitfire Racing" To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'Terry Stetler'" ; "'Triumph Friends of'" Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere around > .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some > aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a Rockwell > or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking out > quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No point > in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... > Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new ceramics > available from the American muscle car industry? > > Russ Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of MadMarx > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM > To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > The oils are fully synthetic. > The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so cheap > done. You never run out of lifters. > I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one does > fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. > I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 > An: 'Triumph Friends of' > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. > > Terry Stetler > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From triosan at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 16:51:38 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:51:38 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> And if anybody wants the ford GT40 lifters, I have a set for sale. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi gang, I recently heard that J K Jackson was doing some things with Ford > lifters. Block has to be machined slightly because of a larger diameter of > the Fords. > Give him a call. > Bill.----- Original Message ----- > From: "Spitfire Racing" > To: "'MadMarx'" ; "'Terry Stetler'" > ; "'Triumph Friends of'" > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > Typically I believe the lifters are hardened with a case of somewhere > around > > .005"-maybe .006". There have also been quality control issues with some > > aftermarket lifters that have inferior hardening as reflected by a > Rockwell > > or Brinnell test. Resurfacing lifters may be an alternative to seeking > out > > quality replacements but I suggest they be tested after the grind. No > point > > in trashing a good cam or even an engine for that matter......... > > Anyone have experiences using Ford comp lifters or some of the new > ceramics > > available from the American muscle car industry? > > > > Russ Moore > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of MadMarx > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:55 PM > > To: 'Terry Stetler'; 'Triumph Friends of' > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > The oils are fully synthetic. > > The very good thing is, all old lifters can be reused. The grind is so > cheap > > done. You never run out of lifters. > > I have a plastic bag with old lifters regrinded and if a current one > does > > fail I grab in the bag and put in a new one....cheap stuff now. > > I think after two times resurfacing I should let them hardened again. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > > Auftrag von Terry Stetler > > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009 20:19 > > An: 'Triumph Friends of' > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Lifter update > > > > I'm not sure that either of those oils are available in the US market. > > > > Terry Stetler > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 07:57:58 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:57:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Lifter update In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> <000001ca80c0$51369c10$f3a3d430$@com> <450AF1FB9E014F12B3A7A46F50F51571@elliott7455dae> <000101ca80c6$93465360$b9d2fa20$@com> <000801ca80e5$17427d60$45c77820$@com> <000001ca80eb$f9a76ed0$ecf64c70$@rr.com> <006c01ca81ca$902ac760$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> <8cbd782d0912201551q7eace049s5dc46f7a1bc1c005@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Here's a single data point... I have a cam taken from my race car. The cam is pretty mild (Piper BP270) and it has probably 200 hours tops in use, but it has been run through the range (idle to 7000), it's been through odd valve train failures (one broken rocker arm comes to mind) and some other "stuff". But I had this cam and lifters cryogenically treated back in 1999 or 2000. Verdict: NO WEAR. The cam is perfect. The lifters are perfect. I was quite surprised, to be honest. I actually expected the cam to be worn! But it doesn't appear to be worn. I will (someday) actually measure the cam lobes and look at the lifters more closely, but I am totally sold on the cryo-treatment thing. Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 21 08:06:27 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:06:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- Buddy Palumbo center section spoof ad In-Reply-To: <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Jim wrote: > Scott, > Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. Dude, we just got a bunch of that snow stuff. I'd send you some, but I understand that it doesn't do well in UPS trucks. > Cheers, > > Jim > Dallas rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Dec 21 09:28:09 2009 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [RTR] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <689301A824F16F458852BEB04BEBF38D046EA610@utexch01.vccs.edu> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> <689301A824F16F458852BEB04BEBF38D046EA610@utexch01.vccs.edu> Message-ID: if you want some really good, powerful but easy to use software, look at the offerings by Pinnacle (Studio Ultimate is what I have). It really is professional quality video editing at a reasonable price. I do know some folks who use it for editing commercial videos. John On Mon, December 21, 2009 10:48 am, Scott McCombe wrote: > Chip, > > Consumer Reports has a fairly good coverage of video camcorders on their > web site. Last year, I bought the Canon mini DVD one they recommended. > I am not as thrilled with having to manage the DVDs as I thought I might > be, but it is nice having that hard copy for later reference. It adds > the one step of checking available space, switching disks, and processes > that you don't have to consider when using a hard drive or memory > recording camera. > > > > Check on whether you have a good compatibility with video editing > software. I don't think the Canon came with enough software to do the > kind of editing one usually want to do, s you may need something in > addition to the base software. My daughter insists that using her Mac > makes video a snap, whereas using Media Creator on my Vista PC is a > laborious process. > > > > I do like the low light capability of the canon and it has done > everything as promised. > > > > Buy an extra battery and keep it charged and ready. > > > > Scott McCombe, PMP > > Project Management Office > > Virginia Community College System > > (804) 819-4680 > > smccombe at vccs.edu > > > > "In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity." > > Albert Einstein > > > > From: rtr-bounces at richmondtriumphregister.com > [mailto:rtr-bounces at richmondtriumphregister.com] On Behalf Of Chip > Collingwood > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:15 PM > To: bluebirds; Friends of Triumph; Richmond Triumph Register; Mark > Palmer > Subject: [RTR] Camcorder > > > > Hey, > > > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual > purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family > and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as > an in car feedback device. > > > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media > is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a > bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is > recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both > interests? > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Chip Collingwood > > 69 TR6 Eprod > > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > > > > _______________________________________________ > rtr mailing list > rtr at richmondtriumphregister.com > http://richmondtriumphregister.com/mailman/listinfo/rtr_richmondtriumphregister.com From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Dec 21 12:25:06 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:25:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs Message-ID: Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet liner block, and where to get them? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Dec 21 13:07:35 2009 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:07:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: I called the Roadster Factory and Dave gave me the part number. They sell a stick of 3 TRF # PU1404/3. I couldn't find them in their catalogs but they still have them. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 14:50:06 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:50:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] flame paths In-Reply-To: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <859911.40632.qm@web59510.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <673993c50912211350p217518g4a4e10be300d57f2@mail.gmail.com> See also.. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1396&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3876&start=0 There has been almost no quantitative data to support *Somender Grooves*. The testing that has been done is either qualitative based or the measured difference was small enough to fall within the margin of error of the dyno. If you've followed this on the engine building forums, you will have noticed there is only one or two people championing *Somender Grooves* to be something worth pursing, while many "experts" just claim its snake oil. My *unexpert guess* is that there is nothing really to be gained with them, and you have added more edges to the combustion chamber which can cause much unwanted hot spots. Also, they will eventually fill with carbon which will reduce their effectiveness (granted they worked in the first place). If you get them right, you might be able to reduce your total timing by a degree or two. You will see a bigger power difference in power between two track sessions due to differences in air temperature alone than you will with those grooves. There are gains to be made in other places in an engine where your time and thought would be put to better use. My .02 Bob From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Dec 21 15:03:13 2009 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:03:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message Message-ID: Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm Brad From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 15:14:58 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: <008101ca828b$08fc7bf0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Bob, did Dave say what the thread size was? Just curious. Thanks, Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > I called the Roadster Factory and Dave gave me the part number. They sell a > stick of 3 TRF # PU1404/3. I couldn't find them in their catalogs but they > still have them. > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 21 15:44:12 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:44:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs References: <227F1C33DCCA4CAF96B89A282C7C5F35@KasPC> Message-ID: Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 16:20:45 2009 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:20:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Camcorder In-Reply-To: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200912619171432397@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <285b8a860912211520w56d72d62u98c8d29f232342ed@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I admit that I might be biased since I do write software for ChaseCam, but I think their solution is very good. I have used a bunch of different cameras over the years, including camcorder, gopros, oregon scientifics etc, but here is the things I like about using a ChaseCam PDR: 1) It is powered from the car. Batteries are a pain, and there is enough to think about at a race, that I would often forget to charge the batteries. 2) The ChaseCam auto starts recording, when you start moving - it's really neat. One real problem with the gopro and camcorders is if you forget to start it, you may not be able to reach it once you are buckled in. Also it is hard to tell if it is recording or not. 3) The camera is separate from the mic, which keeps the mic out of the wind. It sounds like it is better with the new gopro, but the old one was horrible with wind noise. 4) The unit is extremely rugged. 5) You can add a data module (at a pretty good price)which allows you to overlay data, and also do sophisticated data analysis, using rpm, gps position and speed, other sensors. I think the package of chasecam video and data is pretty neat, and a great tool for improving your driving. 6) The video quality is awesome. There are other things too, but these are the main points. If you have any questions about ChaseCam or the data module, let me know. -Mark On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Chip Collingwood wrote: > Hey, > > Good morning all (almost afternoon), > > I was hoping for some wisdom from all in the know1 > > I am interested in purchasing a camcorder and using it for a dual purpose. I would like to take the normal video of the kids and family and also have the ability to use it in the race car for track events as an in car feedback device. > > Please let me know your experiences if any and opinions of which media is best, what features are good to have, reliability, input port for a bullet cam, stabilization...etc....if a particular product is recommended. Should I have (2) dedicated video setups for both interests? > > Thanks for your time. > > > Chip Collingwood > 69 TR6 Eprod > 71 2dr 510 Vintage > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as markvaden at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 21 17:57:35 2009 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:57:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101ca82a1$c0ba97c0$6401a8c0@blake1> I took the later approach. NPT plugs are easy to find locally and cheap. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:44 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as ablake2 at austin.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From goodparts at verizon.net Mon Dec 21 16:52:10 2009 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> This confirms what I finally narrowed down as the cause of nasty fumes when welding. Even just the fumes in the air from using brake cleaner in the shop would cause bad smelling fumes when I weld. The fumes caused shortness of breath and a lingering tight feeling in my chest. Scary stuff. I just got some non-chlorinated brake cleaner that I hope will be OK. Richard Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message > Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or > TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It > certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. > > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > Brad > _______________________________________________ From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Dec 21 18:49:28 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:49:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 in the snow picture -- (jch: now shipping snow) In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701BAC@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <006301ca8064$7fb90fc0$cf721342@jrg> Message-ID: <4B3025A8.2060201@blacksburg.net> On 12/21/2009 10:06 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Jim wrote: > >> Scott, > >> Actually.. What is snow? ;) We normally only get ice. > > Dude, we just got a bunch of that snow stuff. I'd send you some, but I > understand that it doesn't do well in UPS trucks. Buffalo NY shipped a whole mess of it years ago in empty box cars which were headed South (IIRC). So you're just using the wrong mode of transport, Bob. Ya gotta think outside the box(car). :-) jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From gp89 at charter.net Mon Dec 21 18:53:20 2009 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091221205321.UBNXL.1035745.root@mp20> I saw the same thing posted at the UW Hospital where I work. To think how many times the mechanic at Sugar River Raceway has welded on go karts that had just been cleaned off with brake parts cleaner. I gave him a copy of it. I hope he took it seriously. Jeff Senty ---- Brad Kahler wrote: > Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or > TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It > certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. > > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gp89 at charter.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Mon Dec 21 19:44:36 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:44:36 -1000 Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message In-Reply-To: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> References: <2344BD14220F4A6C927831C825232AAD@AdminPC> Message-ID: <9A1ED164-9240-4599-882C-835E7004497D@bnj.com> Good to know, I've used that stuff a lot to clean parts before welding. Yikes. On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Richard Good wrote: > This confirms what I finally narrowed down as the cause of nasty fumes when welding. Even just the fumes in the air from using brake cleaner in the shop would cause bad smelling fumes when I weld. The fumes caused shortness of breath and a lingering tight feeling in my chest. Scary stuff. I just got some non-chlorinated brake cleaner that I hope will be OK. > > Richard Good > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" > To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Triumphs" > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: [Fot] brake cleaner and mig/tig welding - safety message > > >> Ran across this link on a lathe site I'm a member of. If you MIG or >> TIG weld this is something you really need to be aware of. It >> certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. >> >> >> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 21 19:49:23 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79191.55172.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob: The threads on tyhe plug are BSP, but I know know which thread. Last time I had a block vatted the rear plug desolved. Ken G at BFE came the the rescue. He stocks them in S/S with an allen hex on the end to screw them in. As you said, the originals came in stick form and were cut after threading in. Kens pieces will last forever, or at least until it doesn't matter anymore. Give Ken a call. Thanks - Ed --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bob Kramer wrote: From: Bob Kramer Subject: [Fot] oil galley plugs To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 4:44 PM Once upon time Charle Runyon made a big deal about having reproduced in stick form the oil galley plugs for the ends of the TR4 and TR6 blocks. I couldn't find them in the online order system they provide and they did not appear in any of the Glovebox catalogs I have on hand so I assumed that TRF sold them out and didn't replace them. I now know that they still make them in sticks of three, Part numbers are PU1404/3 for the TR3/4 and PS1103/3 for the TR6. Why they didn't make them in pairs only Charles can answer. Luckily I have a leftover and since I'm building 2 engines a new stick will take care of my needs. I know that the plugs are not pipe thread, but I do not know what they are. apparantly it is fairly easy to rethread them to pipe and use a recessed head plug, but I'll stick with the OEM approach. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs 56765 Pu1404/3 Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:53 PM To: Kramer, Robert Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs I'm not certain Bob, But I believe they are just an aluminum plug that is oversized and driven in and peened over. I would suggest replacing with a brass pipe taped plug and file or grind flat a steel plug pipe taped that has a slotted head to save the filing operation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 oil galley plugs > Does anyone know what thread is used on the oil galley plugs in the wet > liner > block, and where to get them? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Dec 21 20:25:52 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:25:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] brake clean Message-ID: I continue to use wurth brake clean. It's works well. Cans come in a case of 12 but I like the 5 gal drum. Cheaper than the parts store the last time I looked. www.wurthusa.com cheers Tony Garmey From malaboge at aol.com Mon Dec 21 22:43:13 2009 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:43:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] brake clean In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC50E0C99EF4D3-5E80-14C42@webmail-d073.sysops.aol.com> You guys are lucky...the last order i got from Wurth, they had to send some alcohol based solvent that doesn't clean much of anything...good ole Kalifornia won't let them sell anything that works anymore. Can't get the old style paint either...all you can get is the new stuff that creates that nifty cyanide gas...needless to say i don't have the Tyvek suits, breathing apparatus and air scrubbers, so no more do it yourself paint jobs either. I feel so much better with big brother by my side... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 7:25 pm Subject: [Fot] brake clean I continue to use wurth brake clean. It's works well. Cans come in a case of 2 but I like the 5 gal drum. Cheaper than the parts store the last time I ooked. www.wurthusa.com cheers Tony Garmey ______________________________________________ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 12:40:01 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:40:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <5857554.1261510801676.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> FOT, What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? ~Steve From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 22 13:17:34 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:17:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Dec 22 20:01:07 2009 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:01:07 EST Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? Message-ID: Amigos, Just got an Email from a Brit trying to restore some old US racer. He says it has a Phoenix fire suppression system and is looking for contact information and details. I well remember the name, anyone know if they're still around or what he can do?? Happy Christmas guys, Steve From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Dec 22 20:16:53 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup To: "steve" , "FOT" Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 22 20:38:34 2009 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any nipples and hoses on any body else's car. Ed, did you call today?........ Joe A -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve ; FOT Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Steve: do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. hat is the lists take on this? Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: rom: steve ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup o: "steve" , "FOT" ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far s I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup FOT, What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure auge? ~Steve You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com http://www.fot-racing.com ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Tue Dec 22 20:54:07 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A24B339C517438FA262076D016C50C4@joepentiumnew> There is a web site: http://www.phoenixfire.com/ It looks like it is mostly concerned with commercial and home fire systems but they do have some Halon substitute systems that I suppose could be adapted to cars. It might be worth a contact. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Phoenix fire suppression? Amigos, Just got an Email from a Brit trying to restore some old US racer. He says it has a Phoenix fire suppression system and is looking for contact information and details. I well remember the name, anyone know if they're still around or what he can do?? Happy Christmas guys, Steve From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Dec 22 21:19:26 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:19:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I run the heater pipe to a pressure tank in the battery box location, then over to the back of the head. I think it helps with flow around number 4. It a 1 quart Canton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "steve" ; "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > Steve: > I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block > that > port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around > cylinders 3 > and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece > of > hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes > from > the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the > heater > valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. > What is the lists take on this? > -Ed- > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: > > > From: steve > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > To: "steve" , "FOT" > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM > > > Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as > far > as I know!!! > > I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) > > -----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >>FOT, >> >>What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >>1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >>2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >>Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure > gauge? >> >> >> >>~Steve >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 22 22:13:26 2009 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:13:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the hole at the rear of the head. - Tony At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any >nipples and hoses on any body else's car. > >Ed, did you call today?........ > >Joe A > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: EDWARD BARNARD >To: steve ; FOT >Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > > >Steve: > do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that >ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 >nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of >ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from >he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater >alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >hat is the lists take on this? >Ed- >--- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: > >rom: steve >ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >o: "steve" , "FOT" >ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM > >ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far >s I know!!! >I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >-----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >auge? > > > >~Steve >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >http://www.fot-racing.com > >ot at autox.team.net >ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >http://www.fot-racing.com > >ot at autox.team.net >ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Tue Dec 22 22:18:15 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:18:15 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <99E9DDD4-776E-40DB-A19A-3332383704AB@bnj.com> I do this on all my engines. Peyote originally had a feed to a modified rear freeze plug but Tony Garmey converted it to the rear head port. On Dec 22, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the hole at the rear of the head. > > - Tony > > At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >> Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing any >> nipples and hoses on any body else's car. >> >> Ed, did you call today?........ >> >> Joe A >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EDWARD BARNARD >> To: steve ; FOT >> Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> >> Steve: >> do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that >> ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 >> nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of >> ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from >> he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater >> alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >> hat is the lists take on this? >> Ed- >> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: >> >> rom: steve >> ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> o: "steve" , "FOT" >> ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM >> >> ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far >> s I know!!! >> I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: steve >> Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> FOT, >> >> What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >> 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >> 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >> Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >> auge? >> >> >> >> ~Steve >> You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> ot at autox.team.net >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> ot at autox.team.net >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 01:25:32 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:25:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901ca83a9$7fe9a250$7fbce6f0$@com> I still have the heater in place and use it on cold racing days to keep my feet warm and dry. It is also an emergency cooling unit that enables you to have one more lap maybe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von EDWARD BARNARD Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 04:17 An: steve; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- From mpendy at dishmail.net Wed Dec 23 07:38:57 2009 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (Mark Pendergrass) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > In Jack's latest engine iteration he ran a pipe from the water pump to the > hole at the rear of the head. > > - Tony > > At 09:38 PM 12/22/2009, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: >>Interesting. I have always blocked this off and dont ever remember seeing >>any >>nipples and hoses on any body else's car. >> >>Ed, did you call today?........ >> >>Joe A >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: EDWARD BARNARD >>To: steve ; FOT >>Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 9:16 pm >>Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> >>Steve: >> do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block >> that >>ort with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around >>cylinders 3 >>nd 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece >>of >>ose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes >>from >>he water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the >>heater >>alve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. >>hat is the lists take on this? >>Ed- >>--- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: >> >>rom: steve >>ubject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >>o: "steve" , "FOT" >>ate: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM >> >>ops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as >>far >>s I know!!! >>I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) >>-----Original Message----- >>From: steve >>Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >>To: FOT >>Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >>FOT, >> >>What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >>1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. >> >>2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. >> >> >>Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure >>auge? >> >> >> >>~Steve >>You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>ou are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>ot at autox.team.net >>ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>ot at autox.team.net >>ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as tony at tonydrews.com >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mpendy at dishmail.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From group44tr7 at aol.com Wed Dec 23 08:58:32 2009 From: group44tr7 at aol.com (group44tr7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:58:32 EST Subject: [Fot] Pictures Needed - Woodner Rally Car Message-ID: <3fa6.2688b9a8.38639828@aol.com> Season Greetings Its suprising how few photos seem to exist of Jon Woodner's TR8 rally car. There is one on the internet that I have found in which the car appears to be orange with dark blue (black?). When the car was damaged and sold at the Pike's Peak Hill Climb, the polariods make it appears to have been completely repainted blue. If anyone has or knows someone with pictures, I would appreciate getting copies of them. Thank you in advance, Cary From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Dec 23 09:34:47 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:34:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <20091223.113447.10141.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat housing. At the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This is more of a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/22/09, steve wrote: From: steve Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup To: "steve" , "FOT" Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 2:17 PM Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) -----Original Message----- >From: steve >Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > >FOT, > >What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: > >1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. > >2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. > > >Also, on your cars, where do you pick up the oil pressure for the pressure gauge? > > > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. 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It certainly opened my eyes to the dangers involved. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm Brad You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=-BWClDfpzp27XTAfJgurKgAAJz6U 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Dec 23 13:26:15 2009 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:26:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TSI TR4 Exhaust Header Message-ID: <000001ca840e$2d955390$88bffab0$@racer@comcast.net> Hello: I have a four-into-one exhaust header from Ted Schumacher (TSI Imports) which I purchased new for my TR4 racer but did not use. If you are in need of something like this and want to save a few dollars, contact me offline at vintage.racer at comcast.net. Thanks and Happy Holidays. Gary From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 23 14:53:42 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28220725.1261513054250.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B329166.1030009@blacksburg.net> On 12/22/2009 3:17 PM, steve wrote: > Oops, sorry about the typos. The heater pipe hasn't screwed anything as far as I know!!! > > I need a plug to block off the heater pipe hole atop the head. :) > > -----Original Message----- >> From: steve >> Sent: Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM >> To: FOT >> Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup >> >> FOT, >> >> What sizes are the following plugs for the TR3/4 engine: >> >> 1, top of Cyl Head where heater pipe screwed it. 1/2" NPT >> 2, Manifold side of engine block to drain H2o. 1/2" fine thread -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Dec 23 15:20:41 2009 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:20:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> Message-ID: <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> If you think about the way it is designed, the location of the hottest point depends on the design of the head gasket. If the head gasket has most of the flow going up at the rear and just a trickle in the front portion, then the hottest point will be at cylinder one. If there is a lot of upward flow near the front and little at the rear, the hottest point will be cylinder 4. If you take water out at the heater port you will encourage flow to #4, but #1 will receive less water, so it will be hotter. With a little experimentation, the size of the holes could probably be optimized so that 1 and 4 are at the same temperature.. I think the stock gaskets cause #4 to be hottest. I like the way Mordy does the holes in his gaskets with big holes at the back. Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender > located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling > system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , > running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 17:00:54 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:00:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> References: <816081.76529.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CC5198898702D9-F84-2F9D@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <20091223051340.93BC3187649@autox.team.net> <03E48B7D6EF7417BA1AAC7719C0E35FC@Pendys> <4B3297B9.5070209@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca842c$2c7dcd70$85796850$@com> I had no luck with altering the holes sizes of the steel gasket. Each time I'd enlarge the backwards holes the engine went warm and spilled water. So I run it as it comes and all is fine. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Larry Young Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Dezember 2009 23:21 An: Mark Pendergrass; FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup If you think about the way it is designed, the location of the hottest point depends on the design of the head gasket. If the head gasket has most of the flow going up at the rear and just a trickle in the front portion, then the hottest point will be at cylinder one. If there is a lot of upward flow near the front and little at the rear, the hottest point will be cylinder 4. If you take water out at the heater port you will encourage flow to #4, but #1 will receive less water, so it will be hotter. With a little experimentation, the size of the holes could probably be optimized so that 1 and 4 are at the same temperature.. I think the stock gaskets cause #4 to be hottest. I like the way Mordy does the holes in his gaskets with big holes at the back. Larry Young Mark Pendergrass wrote: > FWIW, this head port point is where i have the temp. gauge sender > located. It seems to have the "hottest" readings in the cooling > system, theirfore i'm assured everything forward is, or should be , > running cooler, am i all wet ? Mark Pendy..........Merry Xmas to all!! You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From chasgee at aol.com Wed Dec 23 19:39:05 2009 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut Message-ID: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Amici, What is the tightening torque for the output flange nut on a TR4/TR6 transmission? I don't have a manual for the larger cars and I'm too cheap to buy one. Thanks, Chuck Gee From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Wed Dec 23 21:36:06 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:36:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut In-Reply-To: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC525964FE2696-53B4-14561@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck Propeller Shaft Flange to Gearbox Mainshaft 80-120 ft/lbs Cheers Peter V TR-4 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2009 1:39 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tightening torque for output flange nut Amici, What is the tightening torque for the output flange nut on a TR4/TR6 transmission? I don't have a manual for the larger cars and I'm too cheap to buy one. Thanks, Chuck Gee You are subscribed as pvucinic at netspace.net.au http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. __________ NOD32 4713 (20091223) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 09:52:55 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:52:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers Message-ID: The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 09:53:30 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:53:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about the Triumph LM prototype that was entered in the 1966 Daytona 24 Hour race by an E. P. Drescher? It was driven by Harry Fry, Hugh Kleinpeter and George Parsons. could this have been the Conrero? From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 10:25:35 2009 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:25:35 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0912240925k1fea6570h6ebc5daf13b5509c@mail.gmail.com> I know Pacific Raceways does. A fellow driver had a bicycle accident at the track that resulted in $20,000 injury. He was on the way to the hot pits where another driver was driving hos race car. Got run over by another racer on his bike [cannot keep those Pro 3 BMW guys from racing even when not in their cars]. My friend did not have any medical insurance. The track insurance paid the bill. On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > > -- Chuck Arnold From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Dec 24 10:44:01 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during my "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know that a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than any of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a crime, civil disturbance, or during war. -Ed- --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: From: Bob Kramer Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 24 10:52:06 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype References: Message-ID: Apparantly the LM Prototype was one of the TRS cars. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Triumph LM prototype > Does anyone know anything about the Triumph LM prototype that was entered > in > the 1966 Daytona 24 Hour race by an E. P. Drescher? It was driven by Harry > Fry, Hugh Kleinpeter and George Parsons. could this have been the Conrero? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Dec 24 11:15:21 2009 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:15:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good question. I have always wondered how my health insurance would react to something taking place while at an event. I know my auto insurance would laugh hysterically as they tossed my policy in the trash should I ever try to submit a claim. I am interested on the feedback to this thread. Marty > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:52:55 -0600 > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as trmarty at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From bownes at seiri.com Thu Dec 24 11:17:13 2009 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:17:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting. It would appear that there is a large variation in insurance out there. This is a question I have specifically asked at every serious interview for every job I've had since the late 80s (and I've been a technology job-hopper over the years so it's probably 10 -12 insurance companies/jobs). Even when I was listed as a 'critical employee/BOD member' in a few start ups, racing has never been an issue, though piloting a private aircraft has (I gave that up in the mid 80's, but that's another story) been mentioned. Nor has riding a motorcycle been an issue. As a volunteer emergency services provider (Emergency medicine and fire services), we get some incredible coverage when on duty and when on the way to/from the stations. And even a pension. (~$50/mo after I turn 65). Maybe it's just vintage racing guys are too aggressive vs the regular SCCA crowd ;) Hope Santa brings you all the racer toys you wanted! Bob On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now > senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during > my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above > activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that > would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know > that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than > any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a > recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From dave at microworks.net Thu Dec 24 12:54:39 2009 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Regardless of the outcome of the Senate passing their bill this morning, then being able to reconcile with the House's bill sometime in January or February and Obama signing whatever results we will be start being taxed in 2010 but there will be no benefits until 2014. So if your son is still unemployed 4 years from now then the answer would be that he could remain on your policy. Of course this supposes that the law is not put on hold by the Courts on Constitutional grounds EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Dec 24 13:53:21 2009 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:53:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Message-ID: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. -Ed- --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: From: David W. Riddle Subject: Re: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers To: "EDWARD BARNARD" Cc: fot at autox.team.net, "Bob Kramer" Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 1:54 PM Regardless of the outcome of the Senate passing their bill this morning, then being able to reconcile with the House's bill sometime in January or February and Obama signing whatever results we will be start being taxed in 2010 but there will be no benefits until 2014. So if your son is still unemployed 4 years from now then the answer would be that he could remain on your policy. Of course this supposes that the law is not put on hold by the Courts on Constitutional grounds EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > From billb at bnj.com Thu Dec 24 15:19:16 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:19:16 -1000 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a grim truth that even with the kinds of premiums I pay, I am uncovered about 20% of the time. Racing cars, diving, surfing, riding motorcycles--all have exclusions. Both life insurance and health insurance. We adrenalin junkies are increasingly on our own, even though health care for accidents is a fraction of the cost of end of life care. On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:44 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me during my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all know that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater risk than any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gaf3 at charter.net Thu Dec 24 16:18:59 2009 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Are you sure????? He's looking to be rel-elected as the most incompetent in 2012? Gee I don't think he has a clue!!!! Michigan is drowning in taxes EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned > two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the > bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the > ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill > before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. > We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Dec 24 16:26:44 2009 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: Greetings, PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we can all stay friends. Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, Greg "Lunker" Hilyer, Connie and Barley TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Dec 24, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Dec 24 16:58:48 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:58:48 +0100 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca84f5$0a529a40$1ef7cec0$@com> In Germany you are health care insured regardless what kind of sport you are doing. Life insurance don't cover motorsport, so I have a special life insurance for motorsport which cost me 300 EUR a year but does cover death and maybe more (don't know where the policy is) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Kramer Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Dezember 2009 17:53 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 24 16:59:28 2009 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: <000d01ca84f5$20c1b4a0$62451de0$@rr.com> Want to trade with New York? We have a governor that rivals his level of incompetence and tax happy approach to pay for handouts. We're getting it from all sides. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glenn Franco Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:19 PM To: EDWARD BARNARD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers Are you sure????? He's looking to be rel-elected as the most incompetent in 2012? Gee I don't think he has a clue!!!! Michigan is drowning in taxes EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > I listened to an interview with Mr Obama on NPR last night and he mentioned > two specific items that would take effect "immediately" upon his signing the > bill into law. One was the prescription drug "donut" and the other the > ex-students being dropped from parents insurance. He intends to sign the bill > before his state of disunion speach, as you said, barring any legal hold ups. > We know this must all be true because he wouldn't lie to us. > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, David W. Riddle wrote: You are subscribed as spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From herald948 at aol.com Thu Dec 24 17:38:11 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:38:11 EST Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT Message-ID: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> In a message dated 12/24/2009 6:32:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Lunkercars at earthlink.net writes: Greetings, PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we can all stay friends. Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, ==AM== I second both thoughts! --Andy Mace From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 24 18:32:31 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:32:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: References: <66423.17136.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B33F6E3.7080108@charter.net> Message-ID: <4B34162F.70500@bradakis.com> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote: > Greetings, > PLEASE! Lets leave politics out of the Friends of Triumph. That way we > can all stay friends. > Happy Holidays and all the best to you and yours, Indeed. If you *DO* want to blabber on about political stuff, sign up for the-local ( http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo/the-local - it is intended to be a place for non-automotive blatherings about this that and the other. mjb. From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Dec 24 20:31:49 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:31:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> Message-ID: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. From s.janzen at comcast.net Thu Dec 24 20:34:58 2009 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:34:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Life, health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am told by my life insurance agent that after three years, you are grandfathered on life insurance coverage, even if it disallowed certain incidents initially. On Dec 24, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: It's a grim truth that even with the kinds of premiums I pay, I am uncovered about 20% of the time. Racing cars, diving, surfing, riding motorcycles--all have exclusions. Both life insurance and health insurance. We adrenalin junkies are increasingly on our own, even though health care for accidents is a fraction of the cost of end of life care. On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:44 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Bob: Without starting a heated debate over the plus'/minus' of the now senate > passed health care bill, your son's issue is one that is to be > addressed. > Person's like your son and my daughter will be allowed to remain on > their > parents insurance policies while they job search. I am not sure if > the law > will be retro-active when Mr Obama signs it next month. > > As for our insurance...I have never had a policy that would cover me > during my > "dangerous" hobbies without paying a huge premium difference. I was > always > told the vintage racing, skydiving, and private flying were exempt > from > "normal" policies. As far as life insurance...they rate the above activities > worst than smoking. I believe only because there are more smokers that would > protest. According to them we should die well before others. We all > know that > a motorcycle rider in a highly populated area has a much greater > risk than any > of us racing in a controlled sport. There is just fewer of us to > complain. > > By the way...others activities not covered are death during > commission of a > crime, civil disturbance, or during war. > > -Ed- > > --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > From: Bob Kramer > Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 10:52 AM > > > The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a > job. He > now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he > instantly > gets > kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an > individual > health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being > told that > these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track > incident. I > haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own > insurance > even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the > event > organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have > insurance that > cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent > grad will be much appreciated. > TIA and Merry Christmas, > Bob Kramer > You are subscribed as edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 24 20:46:59 2009 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B3435B3.6040302@bradakis.com> > However, I suspect a generation or two down the road > will be getting it on with electric motors Apologies to Ford and Mopar fans. http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24 mjb. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 24 21:05:34 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:05:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <10.0A.01567.D0A343B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > However, I suspect a generation or two down the road > will be getting it on with electric motors, Not gonna be that long ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cf89tawZX8 Randall From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Dec 24 23:50:32 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:50:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> References: <760215.17721.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, <4B33C6FF.7070608@microworks.net> Message-ID: When I raced Midgets/sprint cars I had a policy from K and K in Indy. They cover or Used to ! race drivers,race cars, trucks,trailers tools. I wasn't very expensive. Short track racers never have any Money. There is now wells fargo covering the motor sport industry. Perhaps something along these lines will help ? What about Aflac ?? Good luck Tony From wensley_tr at comcast.net Fri Dec 25 07:44:14 2009 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT In-Reply-To: <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> References: <9f95.5bf180d8.38656373@aol.com> <6978C2F8-513B-4C12-AA29-A3F5D1E746F3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401ca8570$bb052b70$310f8250$@net> Can you imagine racing an electric car at summit point or where every Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:32 PM To: herald948 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Politics and the FoT much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 08:08:18 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:12:16 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:12:16 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> depends on the 'brand'...if its an RJS,they will re-web....others may not, they prob lobbies SCCA to shorten the dates to sell more... In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:22:16 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:22:16 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <2278.25785710.386640b8@aol.com> RJS in Hazel Park,MI will re-web it twice....then must replace all . In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:23:26 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:23:26 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <22a8.37284dbe.386640fe@aol.com> should have said that RJS will only do their own brand,not others. In a message dated 12/25/2009 11:21:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rek46 at aol.com writes: depends on the 'brand'...if its an RJS,they will re-web....others may not, they prob lobbies SCCA to shorten the dates to sell more... In a message dated 12/25/2009 10:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes: Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 25 09:33:18 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years ago. http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Fri Dec 25 09:45:40 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:45:40 EST Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <25d4.2db7dc4b.38664634@aol.com> Not sure they can make SFI approved/labeled race belts....they seem to specialize in OEM repros....but I'd check that out very thoroughly....don't forget, its your life at stake.....I can vouch for good belts on 3 very nasty 100 - 120mph crashes, or I wouldn't be here to type this. In a message dated 12/25/2009 11:35:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 25 09:47:38 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:47:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: >From the website that looks like just wimpy passenger car stuff. On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years > ago. > > http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 25 10:33:01 2009 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <85AE8CD75FE945E393C0AA98524346C0@joepentiumnew> That could be but when I talked to the rep, he seemed to indicate that they will do virtually any type belt. Might be worth asking. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:48 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Rob'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness >From the website that looks like just wimpy passenger car stuff. On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > Here is a company I ran across ar Barrett Jackson auction a couple of years > ago. > > http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/ > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:08 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Dec 25 11:11:07 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:11:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Politics and the FoT Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C27@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. >> Ice sailing on Sturgeon Bay! ----- Original Message ----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: herald948 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu Dec 24 21:31:49 2009 Subject: Re: [Fot] Politics and the FoT much agreed - I never assume any more that the people I share some interests with share political beliefs - we are not all conservatives, libertarians or liberals. I do know that we all give generously to Our Lady of Internal Combustion. However, I suspect a generation or two down the road will be getting it on with electric motors, and perhaps some day with forms of propulsion I can't even imagine. Speed is speed. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Dec 25 11:22:17 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:22:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> After watching the original footage of belt stretch during deceleration incidents from the folks who did reaearch on the HANS device.... I would sell your old belts on Ebay to offset the purchase of a new set from a truly reputable company. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 25 12:28:29 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:28:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com> Message-ID: <855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try www.crowenterprizes.com - they do a very nice job. Merry Christmas everyone D Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From adams910 at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 12:36:11 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:36:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <316218415-1261765335-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1523495967-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <673993c50912251136p46a3e509rb1b6bc196ac18b22@mail.gmail.com> I think most of the belt manufacturers have their own belt-rewebbing program, at least GForce and Schroth do. I think Simpson doesn't reweb, but they give you something like a 20% discount on new belts. Crow and I think M&R will reweb other manufactuers belts, but for a higher fee than they will do their own. Once they reweb it, it becomes their belt, and it's cheaper to reweb the next time around. Bob From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Dec 25 13:25:13 2009 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:25:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I had a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt did not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Dennis DeLap Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:28:29 To: ; <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>; Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness Try www.crowenterprizes.com - they do a very nice job. Merry Christmas everyone D Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as yellow-green at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as gasket.works at gte.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 25 15:27:42 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:27:42 +0100 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <000301ca85b1$7cac6960$76053c20$@com> I would replace them and sell the old stuff to some young hot rod guys for a few bucks. They like that a lot. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Rob Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 16:08 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] saftey harness Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They will probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name of a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all rob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From billb at bnj.com Fri Dec 25 17:15:42 2009 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:15:42 -1000 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> I like good safety gear. Can't see spending $800 for a set of tires and skimping on safety gear. On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I had a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt did not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 17:41:55 2009 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness In-Reply-To: <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> References: <2103.381da825.38663e60@aol.com><855839.22397.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com><419114857-1261772711-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128602542-@bda225.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <19D014D2-11BC-4F3F-98BD-7E21C0A6F184@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2991B774B65A415181F3B25E32E964F7@INSPIRON> boy looks like a slow day in the news room thanks for all the reply's rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness >I like good safety gear. Can't see spending $800 for a set of tires and > skimping on safety gear. > > On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:25 AM, gasket.works at gte.net wrote: > >> Crow enterprizes are nice stuff and quick. Made locally in LA. Area. I >> had > a set. The fellows who started crow worked for SIMPSON (now split off to > company called impact). I must say the stitching and weight of the belt > did > not feel the same (less good - IMO) as that made by "impact" . >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Dec 25 19:49:04 2009 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:49:04 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Message-ID: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat housing. At the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This is more of a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: EDWARD BARNARD To: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) Steve: I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you block that port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around cylinders 3 and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short piece of hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which comes from the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave the heater valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. What is the lists take on this? -Ed- ____________________________________________________________ Auto Loans Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=Hoje3886tmb2FF0wnaURlQAAJz6U 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIwAAAAA= From rocky at spitfire4.com Fri Dec 25 20:22:58 2009 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:22:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] saftey harness References: <1B58F67781A241A7BECE3CDAB4EDFAD1@INSPIRON> Message-ID: I looked into rewebbing my Simpson belts a few years back and learned the price of re-webbed belts was not significantly different from new belts. And if I cut off my SFI tags and sent them in, I got a discount. Now I just buy new and sell the old ones to an autocrosser for $15. Tip (for SCCA anyway): Make sure the new ones are dated 2010. That way, under the "2-year rule" you actually get three years. How? 2010 belts expire in 2012. But only the year matters -- they expire at the END of 2012. Buy in January 2010, keep 'em to December 2012, buy the next set in January 2013. (Been doing that ever since the 2-year rule kicked in.) --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> To: Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: [Fot] saftey harness > Boy time fly's my belts expire in 5 days they were good for 4 years. They > will > probably be good for another 4 but rules is rules. Does anyone have a name > of > a company that can re web the hard ware. thanks happy holidays to all > rob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 25 21:05:27 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:05:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup In-Reply-To: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20091225.214904.8786.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Helping the flow of water sounds like a good idea but for the record, my car has run with these holes plugged for 40 years with no cooling problems. I was looking for the easy route on getting the sizes so I could make one trip to the hardware store or my local surplus fitting store. I'm lucky to be near a couple of stores here in LA that have all the stock from the old "Joe Factor" shop. It was wall to wall aircraft and nuts and bolt surplus. Hate to be in there during an earthquake or I'd be buried by AN fittings. One thing I need to do is make a 7/16 - 14 Banjo bolt to run a fitting from the oil gallery to the oil press. gauge. Happy Holidays everyone. ~Steve On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I run a -4 braided hose from the heater valve port to the tstat > housing. At > the port I have it restricted down to an 1/8th inch opening. This > is more of > a steam vent then anything with much flow. Joe(B) > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: EDWARD BARNARD > To: steve , FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Plug Sizes, oil press pickup > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:16:53 -0800 (PST) > > Steve: > I do not block the heater valve port off. I have found that if you > block that > port with a plug it restricts the flow of water through and around > cylinders > 3 > and 4. I normally insert a fitting with a nipple, and attach a short > piece of > hose routed to the heater pipe on the left side of the engine which > comes > from > the water pump housing. On street cars I tell my customers to leave > the > heater > valve cracked to aid in the flow of H2O around 3 and 4. > What is the lists take on this? > -Ed- > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Auto Loans > Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=Hoje3886tmb2FF0wnaURlQAAJz6U > 0HcZ7PRpF0fndYeeSkVqAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWIwAAAAA > = > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From fasttrs at mindspring.com Fri Dec 25 21:39:51 2009 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:39:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] saftey harness Message-ID: <25349342.1261802391549.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Look at www.tracksidetim.com under belts and rewebbing tab on the left of the page. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> >Sent: Dec 28, 2009 7:41 PM >To: Bill Babcock , gasket.works at gte.net >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] saftey harness > >boy looks like a slow day in the news room thanks for all the reply's >rob From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 13:23:17 2009 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help Message-ID: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I am making progress getting the car back together. The challenge for me is I got the car in pieces (and I have never worked on a Triumph before) and it it a bit of a puzzle to get it all together. The factor manual seems to be lacking some detail. I have a center pull and a heat shield. The way it appears (it was not hooked up with a heat shield before) it was hooked up before does not give me enough travel to fully open the carbs. Does any one have photos or can send me a sketch on how the linkage should be set up. It bugs me that I am not seeing this. All the other weird stuff I have figured out so far. I am still on track to run the Portland and Seattle historics in July. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Mike Mehl 62 TR4 From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 26 15:41:42 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:41:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... Message-ID: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> Happy Holidaze, First I wanted to thank many of you that sent me ideas and photos of pan baffles last spring when I started this project. I am finally back on this project putting the finishing touches on things and its time for a final design review to make sure I did not miss something and make things worse. At the following link you will find photos of the trap door system I fabricated. Seems everyone complained about losing oil on left hand corners and no-one mentioned a right hand issue so there is only one baffle down the length and a transverse baffle thinking braking going into a corner throws oil forward, might as well keep it there. I took ideas from what worked for some and added trap doors designed like my Moroso pan one of my other toys. The doors flop easily, not worried about them sticking, surprisingly easy to fabricate. Don't be polite - I'd rather trash it all than trash the motor. Photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/28599565 at N04/ Thanks again for all your help last spring... Best, Mark From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sat Dec 26 16:08:11 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Soldering question Message-ID: <4B36975B.6080508@twcny.rr.com> I'm usually pretty good with a torch and solder but soldering the screen back on a TR3 oil pickup has proven quite challenging. Can this be done with traditional copper pipe solder and flux or does it take something different e.g. lead... Any technique tips? Thanks, M From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 26 16:44:07 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:44:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Soldering question In-Reply-To: <4B36975B.6080508@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: > Can > this be done > with traditional copper pipe solder and flux I did mine that way, but it was quite some time ago. Following Ken G's tip of reinforcing it by working copper wire through and tying it around the tube seems to have solved the breakage problem, for me. > or does it take > something > different e.g. lead... Any technique tips? Definitely see if you can find the old lead/tin solder instead of the modern "lead free" stuff. At least in my experience, the "lead free" doesn't work nearly as well. You may have to resort to using 'electronic' solder, if your plumbing shop doesn't carry lead/tin. Degrease and get the screen just as clean as you can. Might even be worth dipping it in "Tarn-X" or similar, although I just used a Scotch-brite pad. 'Tin' (coat with solder) the screen first, and then merge it with the blob on the tube. And if all else fails, new screens are only $25 @ TRF. Randall From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Dec 26 19:43:26 2009 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:43:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... In-Reply-To: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> References: <4B369126.8080302@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> On 12/26/2009 5:41 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > Happy Holidaze, > > First I wanted to thank many of you that sent me ideas and photos of pan > baffles last spring when I started this project. I am finally back on > this project putting the finishing touches on things and its time for a > final design review to make sure I did not miss something and make > things worse. > > At the following link you will find photos of the trap door system I > fabricated. Seems everyone complained about losing oil on left hand > corners and no-one mentioned a right hand issue so there is only one > baffle down the length and a transverse baffle thinking braking going > into a corner throws oil forward, might as well keep it there. I took > ideas from what worked for some and added trap doors designed like my > Moroso pan one of my other toys. The doors flop easily, not worried > about them sticking, surprisingly easy to fabricate. > > Don't be polite - I'd rather trash it all than trash the motor. Mark, I like your style: if a job is worth doing, it's worth over-doing. I can't speak to the effectiveness of the design, but the fabrication job looks nice. And I think the idea of spinning around in the yard with oil in the sump is a great idea. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jibjib at att.net Sat Dec 26 23:16:14 2009 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:16:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, For your son - I have used Costco's catastrophic insurance to tide us over for a few months when I was out of a job. It was not for check-ups or a regular doctor's visit, only for something major, like a hospitalization, etc. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] health and accident insurance for race car drivers The good news is my son graduated from college and is looking for a job. He now has more time to help with the car! The bad news is that he instantly gets kicked off my health insurance plan. I've been looking for an individual health plan to tide him over until he gets a job and we are being told that these types of plans do not cover him in case of an on-track incident. I haven't seen a discussion of this and now I'm wondering if my own insurance even covers me on the track. Has anyone figured this all out? Do the event organizers like SVRA and CVAR, or the track themselves have insurance that cover the drivers? Any suggestions as to the best approach to cover a recent grad will be much appreciated. TIA and Merry Christmas, Bob Kramer You are subscribed as jibjib at att.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From markconsultation at twcny.rr.com Sun Dec 27 08:37:21 2009 From: markconsultation at twcny.rr.com (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Design review: Baffled trap door oil pan and hammered up pickup... In-Reply-To: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> References: <4B36C9CE.8050302@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <4B377F31.9050605@twcny.rr.com> I'm sure this is the one group that understands how that works. The job starts as a simple baffle but as the job progresses, the ideas flow and next thing you know it becomes about playing with the torch to see if I can do it. By the time I am done; overkill... I kindda miss Uncle Jack who used to a voice of reason to run ideas by - in fact it was Tony that brought reality for my big plans for a custom scraper and oil trap system was probably worth less than a horse-power in my case. In the long run its all about being in our playgrounds with all our toys - I've seen your cars - you know what I mean... I do worry that I may have done something with unforeseen consequences - hence the post. Cheers, M From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Dec 27 17:43:44 2009 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help In-Reply-To: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <948576.97664.qm@web46106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601ca8756$da3fc530$8ebf4f90$@com> I'll send some photos of our H6 carbs and heat shield off list to you. We had to cut a slot into the front of the heat shield for the bell crank in the linkage to work properly. I'm speaking of the heat shield from Joe A., the stainless steel one. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Mehl Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:23 PM To: Triumph Friends of Subject: [Fot] HS6 center pull carb linkage help I am making progress getting the car back together. The challenge for me is I got the car in pieces (and I have never worked on a Triumph before) and it it a bit of a puzzle to get it all together. The factor manual seems to be lacking some detail. I have a center pull and a heat shield. The way it appears (it was not hooked up with a heat shield before) it was hooked up before does not give me enough travel to fully open the carbs. Does any one have photos or can send me a sketch on how the linkage should be set up. It bugs me that I am not seeing this. All the other weird stuff I have figured out so far. I am still on track to run the Portland and Seattle historics in July. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Mike Mehl 62 TR4 You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From herald948 at aol.com Sun Dec 27 18:59:00 2009 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1147 Spitfire heads Message-ID: <8CC5578757BE46C-4C34-1AD77@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> Question for Spitfire racers. I seem to recall that 511538 is supposed to be one of the better heads for these engines, and that might be borne out by the fact that I have two such heads: one on the engine in my old autocross Spitfire (ex-GP from the late 1960s), and one that came as a spare with the car many years ago. Can anyone confirm that this is one of the better heads for these engines? Also, what about the 514384 head -- any good? Any others? I remember one of you telling me years ago about a 948 head; alas, those old e-mails live only on a dead computer at the moment. :( Thanks for any insight! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us From adams910 at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 14:30:54 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:30:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires Message-ID: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 28 15:17:17 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:17:17 +0100 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> I run on Yoko A048 and would say, after 2 or 3 laps they wake up when on the right pressure and last the whole distance. I know from a back to back test of a team over here that the Hoosiers Speedsters does have a very good peak grip for a couple of laps but then the tire don't seem to be usable anymore. Maybe this heat cycle theme. The Yoko don't reach the grip of the Hoosiers but is not much away from it but the tire does last for ages. I still run tires from 2008 and do very well on them including two hours Nordschleife two times. I think I'll do the first two race on them next year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 22:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] 15" tires Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 28 15:29:03 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:29:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I ran 10 race weekends on my Yoko A048R 205/60/15. By the 10th race, the tires had noticeably less grip. Just mounted a set of Nitto NT01's 205/50/15 and will try them when the new season begins. ~Steve On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax > tire > rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / > observations > between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or > Yoko > A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street > TD's, and / > or Kumho V700's? > > I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the > Toyo's and > Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). > > Just curious.. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 18:45:26 2009 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:45:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65f1eaba0912281745w4a611714k91a4e420948290a8@mail.gmail.com> I ran 15 races on Toyota R888s. Grip was fairly consistent. Would have run them a third year but for tread damage incurred showing off for Joe Alexander at Willow Springs in October : ( On Dec 28, 2009 3:26 PM, "Steven Belfer" wrote: I ran 10 race weekends on my Yoko A048R 205/60/15. By the 10th race, the tires had noticeably less grip. Just mounted a set of Nitto NT01's 205/50/15 and will try them when the new season begins. ~Steve On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bob Adams wrote: > > Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire > > rules), done any back t... > You are subscribed as colordog.1 at earthlink.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot... > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html ... From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 28 21:27:59 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:27:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> Message-ID: I'm running Hoosier R6's after Toyo RA-1's and will never go back. The RA-1's are great tires but nowhere near as fast as the Hoosiers Jim G RMVR -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:17 PM To: 'Bob Adams'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 15" tires I run on Yoko A048 and would say, after 2 or 3 laps they wake up when on the right pressure and last the whole distance. I know from a back to back test of a team over here that the Hoosiers Speedsters does have a very good peak grip for a couple of laps but then the tire don't seem to be usable anymore. Maybe this heat cycle theme. The Yoko don't reach the grip of the Hoosiers but is not much away from it but the tire does last for ages. I still run tires from 2008 and do very well on them including two hours Nordschleife two times. I think I'll do the first two race on them next year. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] Im Auftrag von Bob Adams Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 22:31 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] 15" tires Has anyone (the west coast guys in particular due to their more lax tire rules), done any back to back or meaningful tire testing / observations between Hoosier Speedsters / Vintage TD's, Goodyear Bluestreaks, or Yoko A048's vs. tires such as Toyo RA1's, and R888's, Hoosier Street TD's, and / or Kumho V700's? I know from the SCCA world how the A048's stack up against the Toyo's and Kumho's (slower and go away after 2 laps). Just curious.. Bob You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. ______________________________ _________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htm l You are subscribed as toodamnfunky at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 28 23:39:28 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Message-ID: <000301ca8851$ad524920$07f6db60$@com> Hi, I have a question about the Landrover crank seal conversion for the TR4. How is this splited seal moved over the rear mounting flange of the crank? How to install the spring that will come with the ring? Any photos available? Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Dec 29 08:36:23 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:36:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal In-Reply-To: <001b01ca8886$09d214f2$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> References: <001b01ca8886$09d214f2$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <000101ca889c$af95db70$0ec19250$@com> Today I started developing a crank seal that don't need any change of the crankshaft. Only the aluminum ring has to be reworked on a lathe. So it should be a simple conversion and should doing better than the current market products. I'm now staying in contact with several sealing ring manufacturers for the developing and making of them. I let you know how it turns out. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Henry Frye [mailto:henry at henryfrye.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Dezember 2009 13:54 An: MadMarx Betreff: RE: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Chris, The rear seal is split, so it easily stretches to fit on the journal. The spring then clips together on the journal, then you position it into the groove in the seal. It is quite obvious once you look at the parts. Uncle Jack liked to trim a little off the edge of the seal, to shorten the overall length, so the seal will be tighter on the journal. For some time the seals we were getting did benefit from this. I find the seals we now get are the correct size, no trimming required. Sorry, no photos, as I am on holiday in the UK. Cheers. Henry Frye - Sent from Phone Triumph Technology Consultants 860.508.3118 (C) - 860.653.3118 (O) -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:11 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 - Rear crank seal Hi, I have a question about the Landrover crank seal conversion for the TR4. How is this splited seal moved over the rear mounting flange of the crank? How to install the spring that will come with the ring? Any photos available? Cheers Chris You are subscribed as henry at henryfrye.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From adams910 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:31:56 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: References: <673993c50912281330n56a421e7ndd1fc2e11322e888@mail.gmail.com> <002b01ca880b$865efbb0$931cf310$@com> Message-ID: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> Interesting. I've made up my mind, and know where most of the tires stand in relation to each other from the SCCA IT and SM world. Due to vintage organizations' tire rules on the east coast, competitors with 15" wheels, I feel, are at a competitive disadvantage to competitors on 14" wheels. Now that the Speedsters are made in a 14" rim size. It might be interesting if Classic Motorsports did a vintage tire test like they did a few years ago. Bob From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 30 08:52:22 2009 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O/D Message-ID: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Gang, Happy New Year. I need some input on overdrive transmissions. Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 speed? I'm considering one for my TR6. Thanks, Bill PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; tough when a Mountie goes bad. From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Dec 30 10:23:23 2009 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:23:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From kaskas at cox.net Wed Dec 30 11:08:21 2009 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:08:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> I figure if you go to 14" you will create more tread heat without doubt and maybe be handy on a cold day or wet but they will also take away from braking effciency. I don't know the tread width difference but I expect it is smaller, very important. ---- Bob Adam I ds wrote: ============= Interesting. I've made up my mind, and know where most of the tires stand in relation to each other from the SCCA IT and SM world. Due to vintage organizations' tire rules on the east coast, competitors with 15" wheels, I feel, are at a competitive disadvantage to competitors on 14" wheels. Now that the Speedsters are made in a 14" rim size. It might be interesting if Classic Motorsports did a vintage tire test like they did a few years ago. Bob You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. -- Never be beaten by equipment From rodkent at cox.net Wed Dec 30 11:58:35 2009 From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From jeff_durant at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 13:34:31 2009 From: jeff_durant at comcast.net (jeff_durant at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I vote for the CR set. Less weight and less parts to break. Still using Kastner 1.88 1st CR set with modified laygear bearings. Jeff D. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 To: ; ; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as jeff_durant at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Dec 30 14:52:39 2009 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:52:39 +0100 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <009801ca8968$138926c0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <001c01ca899a$69914f20$3cb3ed60$@com> I'm happily using my OD but driving a TR4. I could imagine that a 6 have even more profit from because of the extra power and gearing on long straights. While others smashing their engines at 7000 rpm you can coast at 6000. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WILLIAM TOBIN Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2009 16:52 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] O/D Hi Gang, Happy New Year. I need some input on overdrive transmissions. Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 speed? I'm considering one for my TR6. Thanks, Bill PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; tough when a Mountie goes bad. You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 30 15:02:53 2009 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jeff_durant at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:35 PM To: rodkent at cox.net; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net; william.tobin3 at verizon.net; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D I vote for the CR set. Less weight and less parts to break. Still using Kastner 1.88 1st CR set with modified laygear bearings. Jeff D. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:58:35 To: ; ; Tony and AnnieGarmey Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D It sure wasn't worth the hassle for me, the close ratio (vitesse gears) worked great for many years. Some people love them though...........rod ---- Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: 4 speed DOG box is the only way to go .......IMHO > From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:52:22 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] O/D > > Hi Gang, Happy New Year. > I need some input on overdrive transmissions. > Are they worth the $ and effort, or is it better to go to a close ratio 4 > speed? > I'm considering one for my TR6. > Thanks, Bill > > PS: Andre, sorry about the the policeman killed in Ottawa by a former RCMP; > tough when a Mountie goes bad. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as horizonracing at msn.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as rodkent at cox.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 30 15:12:57 2009 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:12:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin Message-ID: I am in the process of replacing the bushes in the front and back eyes of my rear leaf springs. In doing so, I realized that the rear shackle was easy to detach but the spring won't come off of the front attachment pin. According to the FOT link below, it's clear that these are a notorious pain. See link: http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2003-12/msg00177.html Anyway, I realized that this pin is seized to the inner metal bush inside the front spring eye. When I move the spring up and down from the back, I can see that the pin is turning quite easily in the frame. This means that as the leaf spring flexes up and down, this pin is pivoting up and down in the frame. Is this thing supposed to move or should it stay put? ~Steve From adams910 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 15:57:14 2009 From: adams910 at gmail.com (Bob Adams) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> References: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> Without a doubt Kas. Thats the reason in SCCAs GT classes, there is a weight penalty when going up from 13 to 15 rim sizes. Despite the drawbacks in rotating and unsprung weight, the tires run cooler which allows the use of a softer compound tire. This isnt an issue in classes that require DOT legal tires, since they vary rarely are manufactured with different compounds. It also should be a null point because the cars with 14 wheels have a lighter minimum weight than the TRs, which I think would cancel out any advantage to running a larger diameter tire. I think the issue to eastern/midwest TR racing community is the compound and tread design differences between the two tire sizes. The manufacturers build current treaded DOT-R tires in a 205/55 size which is legal under the vintage organizations rules (205/55 radials have the same overall diameter as a 205/60 bias-ply such as the Street TD), but the same tire model / compound (including the Street TD) are constructed in 205/50 sizes, which are not legal (sidewall is too short). The tires that are constructed in a 15 vintage legal size either have narrower tread widths (Vintage TDs and Bluestreaks- 5.50 tread width) or are too hard, get greasy, and heat cycle out way before the tread is used up (Speedsters and A048s). Oddly enough, all these tires are much more expensive and dont last as long as a modern 205/50/15 treaded R-DOT tire. Here is a handy calculator that shows how the sizes stack up.. http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit I know I might sound like a broken record to some and most of you guys arent racing to win, but its pretty fustrating for everyone involved to watch your car get outbraked, and the passing car leave 3ft of track width open on exit, while your car is dropping wheels just to keep up. Any thoughts? From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 30 17:16:35 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter Message-ID: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. Anyone ever used one? D From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Dec 30 17:36:03 2009 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:36:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <20091230135835.OMTIN.385299.imail@fed1rmwml43> <1170004186-1262205216-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-123346424-@bda059.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7401701C7C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Barr, Scott wrote: > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. :-) > Scott rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 18:02:57 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:02:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is this thing supposed to > move or should it stay put? Definitely should stay put. In fact, there is supposed to be a flat on the head of the pin, and a matching tab on the frame, to keep it from rotating. But if it's not clamped firmly together, the pin will work back and forth and eventually destroy the tab (found the same thing on my wrecked 3A). Before doing anything drastic, I would try soaking it in PB Blaster for a few days (longer if you have the patience) and then fabricating a simple puller from high tensile threaded rod (available from MMC, etc, not the threaded silly putty they sell at Home Depot), heavy flat washer (ditto) and a suitable spacer. Run a tap into the pin to clean up the threads; then double-nut the stud and torque it lightly into the pin (to ensure it bottoms). I believe this works much better than the method outlined at the link you gave, because there is no side force applied to the pin to make it bind (worse) in the frame tube. You also want the opposing force applied to the frame rail as close as possible, to reduce the chances of pulling the tube out of the frame. At any rate, I recently pulled a pin that may have been unmolested since 1956, and this method worked for me. I thought sure something would break, but it didn't. Randall From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 18:16:23 2009 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:16:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Dec 30 18:27:46 2009 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Originally the head of the pin had a flat that engaged a similar recess in the tube on the frame, keeping it from rotating. And yes, they are no fun to change. Terry Stetler From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 18:28:29 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:28:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85.C2.08392.D3EFB3B4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> > AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini > Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. > Anyone ever used one? I have one on my daily driver TR3 (from TRF tho, not eBay) and I'm very happy with it. Some have reported problems though, with wires breaking inside the solenoid. I bought my next one from Ted S. as he supposedly has the solenoid wires secured to prevent this problem. (Haven't managed to try that one yet, though, the Stag it is for has other problems.) Be sure you get the one that matches your flywheel. There were at least 4 different flywheels used on the TR3/4 and two different types of starter. There are "high torque" replacements for both (only the pinion gear is different), but things don't work so well with mismatched components. ISTR the "press on" ring gear takes a 9 tooth pinion, while the "bolt on" ring gears take 10 teeth. Randall From mdhado at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 19:14:29 2009 From: mdhado at comcast.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:14:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the 3.7 is the "baseline" or 1.0, then the 3.45 would be 3.45 / 3.7 = .93 output. The standard OD is about .82 so the 3.45 would be the equivalent of "half an overdrive", right? A friend of mine has a 3.45 and is considering an A-type OD so he would end up with .93 x .82 = .76. That's quite a reduction. Great for the open road but probably not for racing. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:36 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] O/D On Wed, 30 Dec 2009, Barr, Scott wrote: > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. :-) > Scott rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent 2009 NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 30 20:03:10 2009 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:03:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] O/D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > But does that give you the 0.80 overdrive gear? > > NO, but a 3.45 gear in the diff does. Only if your math isn't so good. 3.45/3.70 = .93, not .80 Randall From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 30 20:40:49 2009 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> I use one and it's great, half the weight too. jg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team .net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:17 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the TR3/TR4. Anyone ever used one? D ______________________________ _________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htm l You are subscribed as toodamnfunky at comcast.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/ listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 30 21:22:41 2009 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:22:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, Putting one of these starters on my TR3 was by far the best inprovement Iv'e done. (no more being stuck on the false grid not being able to tell if the starter engaged or not because of the noise from the other cars). Ted has the best ones. Lorne > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:16:35 -0800 > From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter > > AMICI - there is a guy in Dallas selling Hi Torq Mini Starters on EBAY for the > TR3/TR4. > Anyone ever used one? > > D > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as lfritz82 at hotmail.com > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsofts powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 22:05:07 2009 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:05:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> References: <653427.5371.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5CD70207FAC6485C9709C8366D34E925@hal9000> Message-ID: <00dd01ca89d6$d32e1620$798a4260$@com> A Mini racer friend had the solenoid wire problem last year at Lime Rock. Clearance on this car made it a real time consuming repair. Missed one session on track. If Ted has eliminated that problem I'd contact him! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) "Reality, it's not what you think." From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 06:15:32 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 15" tires In-Reply-To: <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> References: <673993c50912291231h13172cffyfcbae8fc4d3b6cfb@mail.gmail.com> <20091230130821.E7LY9.381971.imail@fed1rmwml38> <673993c50912301457q46458841n63bae0b0006427c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01ca8a1b$55cf4ec0$016dec40$@net> One other thing to keep in mind if droppng down to 14" rims. Will you still have enough clearance for the brake rotors and calipers? If you have upgraded your brakes, this could be a problem. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Adams Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:57 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 15" tires Without a doubt Kas. Thats the reason in SCCAs GT classes, there is a weight penalty when going up from 13 to 15 rim sizes. Despite the drawbacks in rotating and unsprung weight, the tires run cooler which allows the use of a softer compound tire. This isnt an issue in classes that require DOT legal tires, since they vary rarely are manufactured with different compounds. It also should be a null point because the cars with 14 wheels have a lighter minimum weight than the TRs, which I think would cancel out any advantage to running a larger diameter tire. I think the issue to eastern/midwest TR racing community is the compound and tread design differences between the two tire sizes. The manufacturers build current treaded DOT-R tires in a 205/55 size which is legal under the vintage organizations rules (205/55 radials have the same overall diameter as a 205/60 bias-ply such as the Street TD), but the same tire model / compound (including the Street TD) are constructed in 205/50 sizes, which are not legal (sidewall is too short). The tires that are constructed in a 15 vintage legal size either have narrower tread widths (Vintage TDs and Bluestreaks- 5.50 tread width) or are too hard, get greasy, and heat cycle out way before the tread is used up (Speedsters and A048s). Oddly enough, all these tires are much more expensive and dont last as long as a modern 205/50/15 treaded R-DOT tire. Here is a handy calculator that shows how the sizes stack up.. http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit I know I might sound like a broken record to some and most of you guys arent racing to win, but its pretty fustrating for everyone involved to watch your car get outbraked, and the passing car leave 3ft of track width open on exit, while your car is dropping wheels just to keep up. Any thoughts? You are subscribed as dmitchel at sbcglobal.net http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 31 06:27:44 2009 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:27:44 EST Subject: [Fot] Fot] Mini Starter - Solenoid Wire Breakage Message-ID: The fix for breaking solenoid wires is to apply silicone from a tube around the wires to keep them from vibrating and fatiguing. This wire breakage has occured with the Gustafson starters. Gustafson is aware of it and suggested the silicon as a preventive measure for units used in competition. I have one with this modification and never had a problem. I also have one of Ted Schumacher's starters and have never experienced a problem with it. I dont know what the differences are as I installed it several years ago and never looked at it again. Maybe Ted can expand on this.... > A Mini racer friend had the solenoid wire problem last year at Lime Rock. > Clearance on this car made it a real time consuming repair. > Missed one session on track. > If Ted has eliminated that problem I'd contact him! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag 1974 Spitfire (and 1 rusty GT6 needing restoration) > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 31 09:42:43 2009 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:42:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > In doing so, I realized that the rear shackle was easy to detach but > the spring won't come off of the front attachment pin. According to > the FOT link below, it's clear that these are a notorious pain. > See link: > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2003-12/msg00177.html I posted the e-mail to which you linked. The pickle-fork-as-a-lever method did indeed work, after I did these two things: 1. I found that the pin was stuck because it was bent. The car must have been in an accident that bent the part of the pin that goes inside the leaf spring, This prevented the pin from moving inward after about 1/2 inch or so. Unfortunately, a little of the bent part was already in the frame bushing. I cut the exposed portion of the pin even with the bushing with a Sawzall to alleviate this problem. 2. I borrowed an oxy-acetylene torch from work. I enlisted a friend to help me. We took turns spraying the pin with Aerokroil, swearing, beating on the pickle fork end with a BFH, swearing, and heating the frame. The pin came out. Good luck with yours and Happy New Year! From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 31 09:45:38 2009 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter In-Reply-To: <001c01ca8a11$a9ee9b4a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> References: <001c01ca8a11$a9ee9b4a$0210a8c0@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <468186.19539.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Henry and Friends I have one of the high torque starters on the TR4 - got it from Ted. It has been perfect - will surely get another one for the TVR. I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular starter clone. -They are remanufactured in Texas - USA (claim to be nippon-denso) -gear ration 4:1 instead of 3:1 6 adjustment positions for mounting 8.5 lbs - is this less than the high torque starters we all currently use? anyway - thanks all Dennis From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu Dec 31 11:13:00 2009 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin References: Message-ID: <0B5489C76C5B438296B05C2DCED0CDA6@elliott7455dae> When I restored my 1958 TR3A from 1987 to 1990, I had the body off. I couldn't get these front pins out. This was with 80,300 miles on the TR from new. But there is no problem to remove or replace these springs with the body off. In 2000, I drove my TR3A from Montreal to VTR in Portland Oregon (total mileage 7250 miles) and about 7 miles from home one of my rear springs broke. I limped the rest of the way home. The only way I could remove the springs from this front pin was to un-bolt the body and I jacked up the rear about 8 " so I could slide the original springs off - towards the outside. It was no big deal. So my TR still has these front pins after 52 years. But the flat is still there to ensure that the pin doesn't rotate. If it could, I would have replaced them. Don Elliott, Original Owner 102,000 miles driven since 1990 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "FOT" ; "Steven Belfer" Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Leaf Spring Front Attachment Pin > Originally the head of the pin had a flat that engaged a similar recess in > the > tube on the frame, keeping it from rotating. > > And yes, they are no fun to change. > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Dec 31 10:14:11 2009 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: <1710606693.5655411262279651299.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I can highly recommend Spruell Motorsports - I purchased a new set of Panasports for my 63 Spit in the fall. Great folks to deal with. I needed a little custom machining to clear the Summers Brothers hub flange, the work was perfect and they arrived in less than a week. They were also about $20 less per wheel than Averill, who are also good folks... Just my additional $.02, but, used wheels with unkown histories in an open Spit is living rather dangerously! The confidence you'll have with new wheels will be reflected on-track!!!! Hope this helps! Steve Groh Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering To: fot Sent: 2009-12-30 21:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rek46 at aol.com Thu Dec 31 12:17:47 2009 From: rek46 at aol.com (rek46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:17:47 EST Subject: [Fot] Mini Starter Message-ID: <46f5.5c13d849.386e52db@aol.com> Ted's are the BEST ones...they work great in my 16:1 comp. racer....RICK Kristoff In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:09:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: Henry and Friends I have one of the high torque starters on the TR4 - got it from Ted. It has been perfect - will surely get another one for the TVR. I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with this particular starter clone. -They are remanufactured in Texas - USA (claim to be nippon-denso) -gear ration 4:1 instead of 3:1 6 adjustment positions for mounting 8.5 lbs - is this less than the high torque starters we all currently use? anyway - thanks all Dennis You are subscribed as rek46 at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Dec 31 13:36:34 2009 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:36:34 EST Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Message-ID: Gotta back up that recommendation. If buying Panasports these are the only source worth considering. Best price and apparently, best service as well. In a message dated 12/31/2009 12:34:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sgroh1 at comcast.net writes: I can highly recommend Spruell Motorsports - I purchased a new set of Panasports for my 63 Spit in the fall. Great folks to deal with. I needed a little custom machining to clear the Summers Brothers hub flange, the work was perfect and they arrived in less than a week. They were also about $20 less per wheel than Averill, who are also good folks... Just my additional $.02, but, used wheels with unkown histories in an open Spit is living rather dangerously! The confidence you'll have with new wheels will be reflected on-track!!!! Hope this helps! Steve Groh Sent from Comcast Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Norlin Engineering To: fot Sent: 2009-12-30 21:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Wheels Amici As I get prepared for the 2010 season, I'm looking for another set of rims for my Spitfire. Wondering if anyone has a set that is surplus to their needs. Prefer 5.5 inch Panasports with a zero or slight negative offset, but willing to consider almost anything. If I can't find any used wheels, can anyone recommend a source for Panasport's? Thanks Jim Norlin Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. You are subscribed as gt6steve at aol.com http://www.fot-racing.com Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Brought to you by Team.Net consulting - Unix software specialist. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Dec 31 16:40:00 2009 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front suspension Message-ID: <4B3D3650.3090100@cfl.rr.com> What is the combination of mounting point bushings or parts (if any) to allow mounting TR4A and later lower control arms to the TR3 frame mount points? thxx, Bob From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Dec 31 22:10:11 2009 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:10:11 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Coolant System Expansion/Recovery Message-ID: Lister's, I believe that we have already seen a few threads on this subject. But I am seeking general consensus on the plumbing/routing of coolant lines to and from a coolant system recovery/expansion tank/bottle for the TR4. Obviously I am making the following assumptions: - 1. Expansion/recovery tank will be mounted higher than the cylinder head. Say, on the firewall next to the battery 2. Existing Radiator cap to be of the fixed/closed type 3. Coolant system over pressure will now be controlled by radiator cap fitted to expansion/recovery tank 4. Coolant total loss will now occur at the expansion tank due to over pressure My questions are: - 1. Are any of you already running a system such as the above? Successful in controlling air into the coolant circuit/system? 2. Where is the most appropriate connection to the coolant expansion recovery tank made? E.g. At the heater tap port and the back of the water pump? Thermostat housing? Radiator top hose/port? 3. Do you have an air bleed orifice/port in this cooling circuit/system as well? Thanks in advance Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Dec 28 19:52:47 2009 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:52:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] PARTS QUEST: CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps Message-ID: <4B396EFF.1000103@greenheart.com> Friends, I am looking for a set of four (or whatever number I can find!) of these specific 50's era CHAMPION Bakelite Spark Plug Caps. I'd be happy to even get one, at least, to feel like I have a start. If any of you are the type that have hoards of parts laying about, or know someone that does, please take a look around or ask those buddies. This one has been just out of reach for too long. One or two has come up on Ebay, but I haven't managed to snag them. If you have 'em, let me know your price. Just to mention it, I'd also be happy to consider them in trade towards my silicone valve cover gaskets, etc. Just let me know! Link below is photo of cap in case the image didn't come through the e-mail. Thanks. --Justin Wagner http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!Bh0O4pgBGk~$(KGrHqUH-C8EsM(4qTirBLK+yjFDkw~~_12.JPG From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 31 17:21:58 2009 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:21:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] low port cylinder heads Message-ID: Are these rare? I have one lying around and I'm wondering what to ask for it. Bob Kramer Volente, TX Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi